5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Pod on tour - The Walsh Brothers in Cromer

Episode Date: February 10, 2024

Buncey takes the pod to Cromer for the third stop on its UK tour. He’s joined on stage by the Walsh brothers - Liam, Ryan and Michael. They take us back to the early days of sparring in their living room, fighting their dad for a few quid and what regrets they have from their respective careers.

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I'm Steve Bunce, on the pier in a five live boxing special on tour. First of all, it's been a delight and the pleasure. I've got to tell you, of all these shows that we've organised, this one was the simplest. I spoke to Liam. Liam said I'll speak to the boys. Paddy spoke to Liam. Bosch, spoke to the theatre here, have been brilliant, I think. I have no idea.

I hope they've been brilliant. spoke to the theatre, sorted it out, got the three boys on stage. Well, I'm going to start with you, Liam. First of all, it is a pity that the three of you never got to fight in Cromer in a massive tent or something like that. But you did fight on the same bill when you made your debut. Did you fight on the same bill twice or just the once? We've done it twice, yeah. When at York Hall I fought for the Commonwealth title, I think Ryan thought James.

against Maxwell Ouku, the African, Ryan, for James Ancliffe, and Michael for Ian Bailey, which is probably the best person Michael beat. I know he's got this record. It's not true. I beat me brothers many times. I just didn't get opportunities. That's the third time he's told us there.

Mother's life. Who's keeping test? I've been beating them all my life. No, that is his best win. That was his best win. That was his best win. My best win is beating them up all my life. But I can't, there's nothing I didn't win nothing for it.

I've been paid for it. I've been being this world title challenger up for all his life and this British champion seven times ordered all his life. But I didn't get no pecks for that, but that's fine. That's fine. When the three of you did fight the two times on the one bill, I'm going to ask you, who's the most annoying in the dressing room and who's the calmest in the dressing room

and who couldn't you do without in the dressing room? I don't think I need to answer that, do I, Steve? No, he probably doesn't know. Not all of it. No, Ryan's generally quite calm. I'm sort of calm. and then we've got, obviously, Michael, aren't we? But you know what?

The difference is this must do. The reason I'm not calm is because I don't lose. You get too calm, you lose. I haven't ever lost. Is that the merit? That's the period. You know what? You actually quoted when we were boxing on Santana,

it was only really young pros, and you're actually doing the analysis on it, and you said, the thing I like about the Walsh brothers is they turn up like they're ready to fight a prime Marko Antonio Barrera. We'd only have a handful of fights at the time, and we were all buzzing with that comment,

because we were mad. But we did. Well, it's true. We'd prepare for like three, six months for a four-rounder. I actually pulled out one four-rounder in my whole life. I actually went an holiday like ten weeks before it. And I didn't think I was going to be ready. And I'm not back now.

I think that's mental. Because on holiday I trained every day. So where did that mental? I'll ask you this, Mike. Where did that mentality come from then that you treated, as I said on Satan, all those years ago, like you were fighting Marco and Tonyo-Garrier. Where did it come from?

You know, everything, come from everything. I'm so proud to say this today. Everything that came from the Walsh brothers, from John Martin Walsh, my dad, he put everything through us. There was nothing that went through us that weren't through him. He made us all of us a bit of a killer. He made us understand that boxing is not a game.

They can only be one winner. And the other thing is, it's the game of hurting each other. So hurt the other man enough to make him quit or whatever it be. But he put his mentality in the Walsh brothers that no man could ever put in boys. And in fact, if ever there's been a man that did do that, it was John Furium.

Funnily enough, when we was at a boxing show one day, my dad and John Fury sat together for an hour or two, and I walked over to the table, and he said to me when my dad died, your dad was like me, he made men. Men make men. And it's true, men make men. Men will take their boys to a boxing gym,

to a karate gym, to a kickboxing gym, and do man things with men. You know, you get a chimpanzee. It will play all day, fighting, playing around. Men are the same. All male animals are the same. You've got to get that out of them, and a lot of men aren't doing that these days.

But my dad and John Fury He sat together for an hour or two. And when he died, he came over, he said, he said, you know your dad? He said, he made proper men. Now, wherever we are or we aren't, that was his version or his view of it. So that was it?

It was that influence from your father. Yeah, because he did. Do you know, you got a lot of boys that say they'll go to a boxing gym? How would you even get there? My dad dropped us off, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We wouldn't know how to water. We didn't even know where the boxing gym was.

So men make men. To get him into the right things. I think what you're saying there about men is for me, and I think, obviously, for my brothers as well. Our first real superhero is our dad. 100% of mine. Best man I've ever lived in my life.

He's the biggest. And at some point in your life, that does change, but the psychology my dad left us, the mentality he gave us and helped us, you can back up yourself with your own actions. But I think from a very young age, we was taught about mentality and psychology, and you don't have to have a degree with it, you just have to believe. Because the placebo's a real thing.

If anyone knows anything about any sort of science, placebo's real. So first of all, you have to, You have to see it, believe it, to achieve it. And he used to say that to his Lord, so... You know, if you've got a dad that's believing in you from day one, and my dad were crazy really. A lot of people said, John was nuts, and he was.

He was my dad, he was nuts, he generally was. On a good day, he knew how to live a life, he knew how to make you live your life perfectly, but he could never do it himself. I've been a bit like the same as him, in the sense, if I'm really honest. I don't believe that for a second. But that is how it's been, but yet, from Liam being six-year-old,

and I swear this on my children, from six-year-old, he told his friends, and I listened to him, that boy there'll be a world champion. I used to think, you want to be a dad? By me? I'm in the older brother.

And he'd put us in together. And Liam, I'll be honest now, I don't like to admit this, but from being 10, 12-year-old, he was trimming me up, boxing me out. I was trying to smash him, trying to get to him. I was so frustrated because he said boxing in life, and me, and in the end, Ryan did as well when he come along. They did. But my dad used to say about Liam because of his footwork and he's moving,

he said, that boy will be a world champion. My dad weren't wrong. He's just boxing, sometimes you've got to guide yourself the right way. the right way. Right, let me hold you back for a second. Let me ask, you mentioned now, or you're talking about, you know, boxing sparring with each other. Were you encouraged to spar?

Yes. Once you're outside of your dad's power, no one could stop us. It's a really interesting thing, like the Clitsko brothers, the mother walks in the gym, they're in the ring. She literally hits one of them with a handbag, hits the other one with a handbag, and bans them, bans them from sparring. The Smith brothers sparred, right? And then they were to join them from Joe Gallagher's gym.

and they wouldn't talk to each other for three days. And they'd pick each other up in the morning. Their wives would do the phone calls to make sure they were in the right place because they'd had a really hard spot seven days earlier. They might have travelled seven times together without saying a word.

My hardest spars are like, once it was finished in the ring, you were okay? You know, I don't have any of them. Do you know, I don't have any of them. My hardest spas, you know, never mind my stupid fights. I had 14 fights, 30 knockouts against journeymen.

Let's keep boxing real. That is a totally different sport. The journeyman. There is journeymen. You have English level. you have British level. I believe, in my opinion again, unless you get to British level,

you are fighting people who are showing up for money. A lot of the time, you are. So if they're only shown up for money, unless they get lucky, you should be doing your job. When you get to British level, it's a whole different ballgame. It really is, that's where you really are fighting people.

You're fighting people that want to win things and want to do things, but otherwise, the lower level, I don't really believe in it too much. I think the question about sparring, I think we used to roll up a towel and that would be our belt, would see that as our belt

and would mimic so for instance Ryan and go right I'm being Madan Agla whoever and we'd pick a fighter each and you had to try and mimic that style and we used to do it

in my mum's front room and you couldn't break out did you have to stay in that style was too much my mum's from obviously the front room's no bigger than not even this 840 something

and we'd try and push everything back my mum had a trophy cabinet against the wall and we brought everything my mum's in the audience She'll tell you we brought everything. We actually broke her. She had a crystal ballast, which was a wedding anniversary present.

And we actually brought that. We knocked off the back of the TV. You'd be that key to box if we get to clear the stuff up. So you get it on and that's it, you're in. So yeah, no one could stop us sparring. So what is that then? When being five, six, year old, seven, eight year old, my dad's loads used to do,

we know we used to do ourselves, what we planned to do. We'd do 12 rounds with each other, 12 rounds as little boys. But then, you know, when you have a song on, you play a song, so the song might be. be 320, 340, whatever. And then, you know, when the next song starts on a CD, that would be your break.

That's your break. So you get about five, six seconds, and then you're back at it again. And we do... Yeah, we used to do what Mary was doing before we knew who never were was. So what happened, right, once you go to a boxing gym, and in theory... So, so was that, what was that like when you actually walk into a proper gym?

We never let girl on you. We never had a leg girl. Yeah, but the first time we worked into a gym was in Rochdale, when we was about seven years old. We went into a gym at a time. It was called Papa. It's now called Hermes Gym. It's still in Rochdale.

And it was called Popeye's Gym at the time. That was the first gym we went into. When we came to Norfolk, the first gym we went into was Elsham. And then we ended up at Norwich Lads and Kingfisher Air, BC, between them clubs. But my first impression of a boxing gym in Rochdale was, I was just fascinated by it. It was brilliant. And how old are you at the time, six or seven years of age? Really?

That was nine, yeah. Going down the line, but starting with you, Liam, at that point when you're six or seven, who would have been your heroes? Who would have been your either global or British? Sugar at Lennon was always mine. Your big brother was. He was. He's lying. He's lying.

He's lying. My dad used to give us tapes and say, my dad used to collect tapes and taps. My dad never boxed. He used to give us a little war story. He couldn't have followed the gym. Otherwise, he'd have been a fighter. He couldn't have followed the gym.

What are you on about? He had 12 brothers in my dad had 12 brothers and sisters that used to pick the scraps up from the chippy. His dad did burn. His dad fought on the cobbles and it's true, he's laughing. My granddad burned just to fight on the cobbles and never got beat on the cobbles. And he used to pick up all the food from it. And if you go to the chip shops in Rochester and they'll tell you this,

they were 12 kids. They used to pick up all the food from the chip shops to feed the kids. The scraps. So my dad generally could not afford to go to the gym. He couldn't. Not that he'd have been any good because by the time we were 13, we were trimming him up. But he did a, my dad, John Martin Walsh, had his own boxing gym in Rochester in Rochester. And all these mayors have told me this.

I still speak to him. He said he made his own boxing gym. He used to bring us all around and tell him this is my new boxing gym, and that was his boxing gym. But he never went any further than that. Going back to being able to beat my dad up at 12.30, that was usually at about one in the morning. He'd come in the house.

He'd empty his pockets on the floor like that. He'd about seven, eight quid in his pockets. And he'd go, I haven't bred any men. He'd be shouting up the stairs, and you'd be laying bed fast asleep off. He'd hear him keep showing, I haven't bred any men. There's no men in this house. The next thing, we're climbing down the stairs, putting them on.

Fight me for what's on the floor. And you've got fighting for the money on the floor. Steve, he said my dad, he tells me he can't fight, he did eight rounds of him, eight rounds with me. He did 24 rounds. He did 24 rounds, and I mean this, I swear. Did he ever lose the seven quid? Listen, he lost every time.

You know what, you see this brother here, right? Never been knocked on his pants in his life. Ever been knocked out of an amateur pro. I watched my little five foot one dad knock him on his pants with an uppercut. And then we brought it to a stop because, you know what he did? When he went over it, he then kicked him up the arm. Yeah, but Steve, Steve, But you know what he did first of all, so important to it,

Vian keeps bending down onto this. And my dad said to him, if you keep bending down that way, you'll get him with an uppercut. Five minutes later, he's uppercutting me brother off his feet. Me and him, my wife, we wanted to jump in because we're brothers.

We stick together forever. But my dad was the only person to ever knock that man down. So, Ryan, who would have been, let's go back to them in here, who would have been, when you walk through, when you're in that gym in Rochester, when you're six or seven,

who would have been your hero then? Apart from Michael. Apart from Michael and Liam. I think very early, It was Tyson, my dad, I remember. We had old school favorites as well. His was Hagler, but we loved Leonard. Even though as I got older, I loved Hagler more than Leonard.

I think Hagler's so underrated. I think he's one of the greatest fighters of all time of an era with, when you're waiting on the day and doing the things he'd done, it's phenomenal. I love Hagler. So who were your boxing heroes going into that gym when you first went into the gym in Rochdale? I'm going to answer that as honestly as ever, because it was a fact. Prince Nazim Hamid. I loved it.

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Let's get back to the Wars Brothers because they're living legends as well if you don't mind me saying so. One of us is. Let me ask you this. As you're moving through, you're moving through the careers, you're fighting for different titles, Commonwealth British, you're starting to jockey for position. At that point, at that point, what's more important to you? Is it winning a world title or is it making enough money?

What's more important? Because there is a point. I'd say I was probably the worst businessman to ever enter boxing, to be honest with it. Simple answer to your question is I was obsessed with winning a world title. Money didn't matter. Money didn't care. I fought Giovanni for nothing. The money weren't a motivation.

not at all. You know what I'm going to tomorrow for nothing as well. It was all about winning a world title. I was obsessed with it. Now I'm 37-year-old man and I'm looking at it thinking it's not everything. You know, now I look back and what I'd advise to pro fighters now is beat good people rather than,

because you can easily be put in these positions by sanctioning fees and the right promoter and the right manager. So now it's, to me, now I look at it. The belts, to me really now aren't that important. It's who you beat. When at the end of it, you look back and say, well, I beat him, he was a good fight,

I beat him, I beat him. It's not necessarily... As opposed to winning a world title against four people that really are not on your list. Exactly, Michael said earlier, I think my brother could have won in a world title. And I believe I could have on the... You look at some of the other British fighters

who have won world titles in life. But you could have got a different... I mean, you could have... I mean, let me know. Some of the people here might have noticed, but you didn't have to fight Giovanni... You could have gone a different route. Javon had noticed...

JaVonadevon. Well, the actual truth of the story is I was mandatory challenger to Pedraza at the time. Between Moeuvre promotions and whoever, they paid an exception. The IBF have a rule clause called an exception. I never knew this until it got activated on me. And what that meant is the champion can pair a fee, basically, and the IBF come together and they can elevate someone into the mandatory sport

who's in the top 10, which I've never heard of this. So all of a sudden, I've been told, right, you're not mandatory anymore. No, this fellow called Giovante dey. Heavis, he's fighting. And I was thinking, well, I've worked at this point, and now I've just been told... You had a final eliminator. We did it, weren't it?

Yeah, the final eliminate, I was in. Anyway, so then Javonner ended up fighting Pedraza. I've lost my way, because I've run on and... But you did get lost. We're talking about if you're going to always Devon Davis. You had an option? I know you had an option. Yes, Giovonan then knocked Pedro out in good fashion,

and everyone went mad like, wow, who is this kid? That's Floyd's on his side. Floyd's just like Mike at Mickham. So I then got a phone call the Sunday morning. I was actually preparing in Tenerie. I was just ticking over and I got a phone call the Sunday morning

after he knocked out bedrazz off a lawyer saying we can go a different route here we don't have to fight Giovanta you highly ranked in I was ranked across all four sanctioning bodies at that point

so I could have gone a different route but I said not a chance I've now got myself into this position I've got an opportunity to fight who regarding there was the best super featherweight there was a big buzz but you knew who he was anyway

so wasn't he was a surprise he thought he was going to of win one of them said we all did. That's a point in this work that's worth making sure we don't forget that after the event. The main reason I fought him and I wouldn't change it now.

Saturday, no, terrible business decision. But live decision, because I got an opportunity to fight the best person in my way in the world because that's what I'm here for, that's what I was doing it for, to be the best. And if I've had to beat someone from South America for a world title, an Argentina who come over with 25 and our 24 knockouts,

which is, you know yourself, every work. and I'd have beat him. I wouldn't have sat here now and going to be, well, I'm a world champion. I wouldn't have been able. I don't tell not. I've won all them bibles,

WBOs, IBM, all them silly barbles. I think they're in the kids' bedroom. They've got dust, the kids play with them, mess about them. You know, I wouldn't, but I wouldn't go and sell people that because, you know, and I know, they mean nothing,

and a world title against an Argentinian would have meant nothing to me. I had to beat the best guy. I used to go running, and visualising my mind, I was going to fight Barero or Morales. I always thought I was going to fight this man, man,

and I always obviously envisional I was going to win, but I didn't work. You know, when the morning after the Javentah Davis fight and Liam's right, we're all second-guessing now, but at the time, we knew he was a good fighter, but there was nothing in that. The bookies even had it that way, so trust me. And then on the night, you know, we know what happened.

And I remember calling you the next morning, yeah, call it text you the next morning, and you'd already been for a run. It was like 8 o'clock. You'd come back to Kroma. And he'd been running. But the business weren't first, Stephen. You know the business of boxing.

the business weren't fair for him. He would have stayed in boxing. The business weren't fair. I'm not going to say any more than that. And Frank Warren was a brilliant man as a promoter. He told Liam there's better routes than this. We could win a world title a lot easier than going this group. He told us that Javanta Davis is an elite.

Now you know that you're a boxing product. You know he's an elite. He told us not to tear the fight. Liam told him there's no other way around it. If he's my man, I'm going for it. And you know what? He convinced me that much you was going to win. I put five grand on it.

Fool, he's a fool. He's a fool. The man isn't having been on the canvas and I'm better at my offer to knock the man out. Even I'm going to draw the line out of a knockout, alright? It was a classic 12 grand decision. Well, we'll respect Frank Warren in a massive way with those brothers. He told us the day we walked in the building, with him having a Commonwealth title, him a national title, me and a NBA champion. He told us boxing's a business.

He told us that. First and form us are business. And it is. That's why you got Jake Paul, and any of us will fight Jay Paul, by the way. Please put that on camera. We're fighting for 10 grand. KSI, please let the Wongs Brothers have. We'll fight three of them. We'll fight one each.

We'll fight one each, each sausage against the Wogs brothers. In a tech team. They do that, those tech brothers. They do that in the misfits, don't they? They do that. We're happy for a few quid. We've got 17 kids between us. Get us in with these silly YouTuber fires,

and yet we'll have a go at that. But then he wanted to be the best. And Frank did give us the opportunity and told him his other wares. He didn't take it. He wanted to be the best. And for that, it proves that the Walsbrose I was through him a fighting men

because he wouldn't avoid that. He'd never have wanted to wear it. I lived my dream. At what point was there, Ryan, in your career when you think, you know what, I'm not going to get a break here. I'm not going to get a proper break here. Because you know, you're smart enough.

You're reasonable enough. You can see the way things were falling into place. At what point was that? In Denmark, it took the beast hit. At the sea land fight. I won that title. I didn't get the belt to prove it, but I won that title.

And then when I went into the contract, I had something happened during the, before my second fight, they mentioned going to New York, possibly fighting Conn or something like that. And that's when it reignited again. I thought, well, maybe I will get a chance. We took 120 people.

I remember. I was talking to the guy that was the press officer for Wasserman, because it was a Wasserman show, wasn't it? And they were saying that they said, the group of people come with him and said, yeah, the farming arms. He said, they had a good time. Francis Warren did the commentary afterwards,

and I thought he was the nuts. He was the nuts. He said, there it was. We got robbed. I can't personally thank. I don't know. There'll be a few in this room there who actually took that trip.

It weren't just a trip, though. It was a plane ride, a boat ride. When I get to the arena, I see, I think, 40, 50 people that I knew. That's winning and it's on. I've already won. I feel like Liam hasn't mentioned about Javonter as well.

When he walked to the ring for that world title fight, as a brother. Oh, we was winning it. 100%. We were definitely winning. We'd win it. We'd win in a different way. Have you gone on an emotional level

on people come in and really wanting you to win. 98% of that crowd wanted him to win. The only people who wanted Javonda to win, that goes for the pundits, because everybody wanted my brother to win. And I can feel that? I'm sorry, for one minute, Steve. Can I please put one more chair here for Graham Everett?

Because if he isn't a waltz, brother, I've never seen one. He won and lost with us. There isn't other many trainers that did that. When we lost a fight, Graham lost it with us. When we won a fight, we won it with us, and there ain't many fighters now to stay with the same trainer. Yeah, if you look at our career,

come back tomorrow. We would start to finish. We would never leave Graham Everett. Let me ask you this, Liam. I mean, so you're 37, so you're still a young man, you still have a great life, you've got, you've got seven in-kids between you. You all get on, you're getting on with your business, you know, you're on the stage here, you're doing all sorts of stuff. If you had one regret, one thing that you'd maybe do different, one thing that you would not do, or one thing that you would do in some different type of way, what would it be in, you'd be in, in your professional career?

What would it have been? I want to hear the answers to this. Yeah. Will you start thinking about your answer? Yeah, you sort of have prepped us, didn't you? But I didn't think about it. I was too busy playing countdown with him. I would.

I'd say, I don't know, I never spent time away from my missus and children. I always, I went to Tenerife or wherever I went. I always had them with me. Really? So your camps, I mean, where they were? Yeah, I never. I never. I never stayed away from him at all.

Would that I made a difference? I don't actually know, yes or not. I'm happy. But if your partner being around you and your kids being there as part of what you were used to, it's fine. It's if you've been away for six camps and suddenly you bring in your wife or partner, that's the problem.

She's always been here. We've always been there. My wife always cooked all my stuff. She always, obviously, I walked in the door, you're moody, you're making weight, you drop your bag on the floor. She's picked that up, she's washed that, My dinner's on the table. You know, she was spot on, to be fair, and the kids were always sound.

And maybe if I'd had them not there, maybe would they have been a better fighter. I don't know. So I see a lot of fighters nowadays. They completely exclude from old family ties. Some people don't, like Steve Collins, he wouldn't even speak to his wife. Because, you know, he'd call his wife up, and she'd, you know, one kid had come down with measles, and little Johnny was here, and little Billy was here, and little Sophie was, she had diarrhea. And so Steve, and she'd say,

how you doing in Jersey in the June now, is it? And he'd say, well, we've been running on the beach. Oh, nice beach was it? So he shows, honestly, really earning his career. He said, that's it. It's funny you talk about that. We were there in Tenerife and my son. We took him on a long walk, like seven miles.

And his appendix went. So I was in hospital with him. I think would have been Tennyson again? Or maybe one of the British title fights. I was in hospital for a week with him. So I didn't train for that for five or six days. But he was out with you in Tenerie. He was with us.

We took him for a little war. And he bused. because you're lucky. If you catch it early, it's just a 24-hour operation. Next minute, I'm in a 10 or east hospital. During a fight camp,

one that we actually did. So did you manage to get out from bedside and go do some runs? No, just with him all the time. I had to stay with him. It was up north of the hospital, so I stayed with him for six days. On one of them, the Tennyson fight,

I flew into the... Flew into Las Americas, which is the Sanfrey Island. Looked him, I went, I'm not right here. And three days, I was out, I had Brancatius.

Then for three days, I'm in a hard-tah, That's not how I had us in our apartment room. Then I put you on auction next minute I was all right. But again, I had some good performances. Maybe that happened. Maybe them little things happen. Slow you down and readdress things.

And yeah, I wouldn't change anything for things like that. And so, yeah, so the question of the regret, the only one, possibly maybe I should have gone away. But I don't think I should. I'm more than happy. I made the decision to watch my kids grow, stay with my family. And secondly, probably should have took it more as a business, really. That's your biggest regret. Yeah.

I probably should have part of great business more than. than boxing there. You know, Frank told us it was a business and what he just said is true, he should have, if boxing is a business, which it is these days, it generally is,

you're getting YouTube fighters coming on for millions of pounds, so you ought to treat you as a business because how do you're not going to be your Vajavon it? He had another 10 fights in him. He had a chance to win the world title. So it's a shame of the way boxing is gone.

You do need to treat his business because when he got beat, they got put back to British level. He got back to where money was laughable work. He would have got that for doing his camp. That is a big job. What about you, Ryan, Do you have a regret?

I mean, you know, I mean... You've got his regrets being beaten up. Is there something? No, I'm still in this. I'm still in this. It's still time to get a regret, you know? You still win one. I'm still in this, so I can't see her in so regret.

I think, because if I was trying to change one thing, I'm still not here. The only thing I've still got time. He could have beat both of them people. My brother Ryan has never been beat anyone who can beat him. I watch Maxie U Sparring, and I love Macsie. He's a good lad, so if you're watching, good lad, Matt. But he could not beat my brother Ryan on the best day. Nor could Jazz the Dickens

and my brother Ryan out of sparring between the three of us is a fact and Graham sat there he'll tell you best sparring you'd ever see knocking people down his sparring on a regular basis and then come to fight night on his biggest night he did not shine

and that is the truth of the matter and I really do believe never mind him his big brother they can't beat him on his best day but he didn't have his best day I think you've got to give them more credit I give them more credit I give them more credit

Let me ask this one thing Now you mentioned there 17 kids you mentioned that you all travelled together with your partners and you're very, I mean, you know, you are a really tight family. I mean, I've been around some other tight families where there's two brothers or three brothers and a sister. I mean, you know, outside of boxing. But you three, you've got this also this sort of unique whole sort of living thing where you,

where you all live together. So everyone, I mean, everyone's very involved. It's my next done, ever. My mom would be where you are, Mike was just all on one little part. And we are one. We are one. That's your kids. You know, we've got four boys going through.

Lenny Walsh, John Walsh, Riley Walsh. These are the boxers now, four Walshs, and we've got a 10-year-old, a 12-year-old, a 14-year-old and a 7-year-old. The 14-year-old and 7-year-old, a little bit late in the game. But both of them can definitely do a job. We've got to bring them a little bit more.

The 12- and 10-year-old, I've been doing it for already for two or three years. We have got the Walsh brothers coming again. We do want to find me out and be following him again. And these boys are going to be world champions. Two of them, minimum, are going to be world champions. Lenny Walsh and John Walsh will be world champions, and I stand that here today

and I hope it gets looked on in 10 years time. Lenny and John Walsh and Riley and Ronnie if they get behind themselves, they can do it as well. Mike, let me ask you this. This is the final question. When you go home tonight at 1 o'clock in the morning, right?

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