5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Thank you Del Boy

Episode Date: April 5, 2026

Is Derek Chisora calling time on boxing as a cult hero? Richie Woodhall joins Buncey as Del Boy says no more after losing a split decision to Deontay Wilder. They hear from both fighters.

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He didn't let himself down and he didn't let the fans down. I'm Steve Bunn's, and this is a very special 5 live boxing. Even by the standards we've come to expect from Derek Del Boyce's or, and even by what we know Deonti Wilder can do, and even by a long 20-year history of coming through the doors here at the O2 and sitting down at ringside and watching some of the greatest fights in British boxing history, I still wasn't prepared for what we witnessed in the ring tonight.

and sitting next to me is a man that's been sitting next to me for too many years, for too many years. Richie, it was breathtaking, it was ridiculous. You couldn't take your eyes off it from the very, very first bell. I thought it would be exciting, Steve, but I didn't think it would be like that. That was, I mean, to say it was exciting is an understatement. I thought it, you know, on paper, looking at their styles,

yeah, it's going to be an exciting fight it should be, but that just, it exceeded. did all expectations, for me anyway. And I don't know what round it was, but one of the things that was introduced a few years ago by Eddie Heron at Matroo was that he would play music during the minute, during the minute between rounds.

But after a particularly brilliant round, I think it was about round seven or eight. I think it may have been after round eight when Dell was first officially knocked through the ropes and knocked down. The Rocky music came on. Yeah. So when I was talking to you,

it's incredible. And I said to you, it feels like there's rock. This feels like as Rocky. What, of course, there was. At that point, 20,000 people were standing and howling in homage to Rocky Balboa because they were watching the British Rocky in the ring. Well, I think that was played solely for Derek Chazora to get him through it.

Without a shadow of a dance. His anthem. Yeah, his anthem. It was an absolutely incredible, it was an incredible performance. And that just summed it up, that rocky music. And I think they put that on for him. So if he hears that, then, yeah, he's going to think, you know, he's going to be another Rocky. But Steve, can I just say, at the very start of the contest, I was really worried for Derek

because I thought he's going to get a little bit too emotional because he says he might get emotional going to the ring. I thought the ring walk. He was okay, actually. He wasn't too bad, but I really thought that... I looked at his eyes when he was in the ring. He wasn't crying. No, he wasn't crying. So he wasn't too bad.

But I was worried for him because I thought that if he gets too emotional, he's in against a big puncher, and he could all go wrong. But right from the word go, the opening bell, his tactics were spot on, by the way. He knew he had to get close to Wilder. He's got to get close enough to whip that right hand over the top. So right from the word bell, that opening bell, he had to get at him.

And it was just throwing the kitchen sink at him. It was a hell of a performance right from the word go. I mean, it was a brave performance. It was a bold performance. And the only way to beat Wilder, I was sorry, Tyson Fury. But actually, Tyson Fury had to be bold and ridiculous in the second fight. He did something in Las Vegas that none of us believed he would do. He jumped all over Wilder, took shots, walked through them.

And then it was the same in the third and final fight, one of the all-time great heavyweight fights, which we also saw from Ringside, privileged to see from Ringsside in Las Vegas, when Tyson View once again took the fight to Wilder in a... Well, I think he was on the floor twice and Wilder three times. And then, of course, when Joseph Parker beat Wilder, he took an even bolder risk. He decided to watch Wilder's punches and throw him.

with Wilder working on a theory, he was slightly faster. Unbelievable risk, and it worked. But what Del Boy did was just work out if I'm as close as possible, I can't get cool. I see,

I don't disagree with you, but he had the right idea. I thought Derek, it's not a criticism because he's, you know, he's his 42 years of age, that was his 50th fight. He's been delighting us

for 19, 19 years. But I thought he took too many risks in the first couple of hours. I'd like to have seen him use, he uses that cross-armed defense. You know, I wrote down, I think it was the ninth round It was the first time I saw Derek parry a shot. Now generally he's parrying shots all the time.

So I think even though he was controlling his emotions, I do think he went a little bit too gung-ho in those early rounds and I think he was hurt, stunned, cool, rubber cuts to the chin and short rights to the top of the head ridge. Yeah, I mean, we call the writer, we're good, didn't we as well? Oh, yeah, gosh, yeah. That was the point, the danger shot for him. But I think he had it in his mind.

He had a mindset of, I'm going to just, take whatever he throws at me. I can take... No one's done that against Wilder. He's had the... Apart from probably Tyson Few... In the second fight, yeah. Third fight, it was on the floor so many times.

Maybe he's spoken to Tyson Fue about it because they're good friends, you never know. But you could see that he was in his head thinking, I've got to get up to him and I'm going to take whatever he throws. Whenever he throws at me, I'm going to take. And let's face it, he did take it. He was hurt a couple of times.

Yeah, really hurt. And he just stumbled a couple of times, a couple of really big shots, which probably would have knocked out a lot of, a lot of every weights would not have recovered from those punches Steve. He took them, he took them well, and then he just seemed to get a

second win, timing again. He'd weathered the storms. It's an incredible performance when you're looking at of his age and whatever. That's almost Derek Del Boy Chisora's nickname, not Delboy, okay, he's not war, his nickname should be, and he weathered the storms. That's what it will say on

his gravestone, because he just weathered the storm. I've been watching him weather the storms in different parts of the world against different fighters for a long time. Let me just give you, it was breathtaking stuff in there. I can't even begin to tell you how breathtaking it was.

And what's really interesting, in some of the undercard fights, there was a European cruiserweight title fight. And at one point in about round seven, it was a really good fight between a guy called Vidal Riley, a local guy, and a guy called Mattius Mastanak.

And at one point in what was a really good fight, we had a headset, and we were doing the co-coms and the punditry. and a motion to Ritchie to take his headset off because there were 20,000 people in there it was an hour before Derek's first bell and you could hear a pin drop. They were in there tonight for one man

and one man only Del Boy. That fight, that Mastanak fight against Vidal Riley, that could have been top of the billionaire. It was a terrific fight because it was a fantastic fight. And if they'd have all come for that fight, the place would have been... They would have gotten home happy.

Yeah, and it would have... They'd have took the roof off. noise because it was such an exciting fight. But they were there dropping pins. I could hear them falling. They were happy as Larry to do nothing for three or four hours until Del Boy came. So the official scores were like this. Now, bear in mind that Ritchie and I both thought that Derek had not quite done enough.

It was tight, but there were two occasions when Derek was punched, push through the ropes that were ruled knockdowns. There was another occasion when it was ruled a push, and Derek fell over at least. four times. I think he was hurt those times. He wasn't caught. I think he was just exhausted. But the official scores came in at 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 for Wilder. 115-1-2 for Dell, which is quite wide, if you consider it the two points

he lost because of the knockdowns. And then a decisive vote, 115-113, which was basically my score for Wilder. So Wilder won on a split decision. And I haven't spoken to anybody at ringside in the ring-off. We'll hear from Derek in a moment. I got up and spoke to him and walking through the back passages here

just literally 50 feet away from Derek's room. I haven't spoken to anybody yet who thinks that Derek won conclusively. No. No. I totally agree with you, Steve. I think at the end of the fight, most people around us, we all thought, all the people that were around us,

we thought that Wilder had done enough, he'd won the fight. You know, it's not a landslide win. No, no way. Not even close. You know, it's fairly close, but you could see who the winner was. Yeah.

And I think Wilder, um, for me, although Derek, obviously caught Wilder with those right hands over the top that looked fantastic occasionally. I thought more of the eye-catching work actually came from Wilder, especially with his right-up-up,

and those short little right hands as, as Del Boy was coming forward. So, but a tempo on a side of the face. Yeah, I thought Del Boy probably would have used his cross-guard a little bit more. Once you got caught with a couple of good riders, because you got to use that, like a Joe,

He started to use it in about round seven or eight, Rich. You know, you start using that cross guard to block that shot. That's the only way you can really block that shot. Because Wilder was sort of getting his measure with the jab and then whipping that right up and get through. And when it landed, it did look spectacular. What a chin Chazora's got. Because he was it with, you know, and not only that, Steve, there was a lot of shots from Wilder that I thought were illegal. Yeah.

There was a lot around the head. Clearly around the back of it. Not accidental. Derek would spun around and then Deonti would load up and he on the back of my head. Because Chazora's coming in low with his head. There was a lot of scuffing punches around the temple, around the ear, something at the back of the head. Lots from Wilder.

So there was a lot of incorrect punching, I thought. But having said that, I thought overall, the better eye-catching work for me came from Walder. We're all hoping that Del Boy was going to land that right hand over the top, which he did, time and again. but he just didn't quite connect with the knockout shot that he needed. So Del's been talking for about six months or so. And in fact, he's speaking for over a year since his last fight.

The next fight, i.e. fight number 50, would be the last fight, would be the end of his boxing career. Now, I wasn't actually going to get up in the ring and interview him. I was thinking I'd let him have an hour or two with his family and then try and grab him at 2 o'clock in the morning in his dressing room. but I saw an invite to get up into the ring at the end and have a chat with him. I knew it was never going to be a long conversation

considering the man's had 50 fights, but I knew it was always going to be a heartfelt conversation. So I got up with Derek to basically find out if this is the end. Yeah, that's the end, bro, because it was there to fight. They robbed me for that. Was it harder than you expected? No, Deante is good.

I'm going to get on. I'm going to give you credit. He looks not good, but he's good. And he's a good power puncher. He hits very hard in the first two rounds. Now, you went through the ropes twice. It was ruled and knocked down both times. Were you hurt then, Derek?

Or were you hurt other times? It pushed me out. You know, I'm on the road, so he jumped in me. He pushed me out. That's why. And Dale, you caught him with shots. Could you get the sense of the crowd and how much they were willing you on?

20,000 people screaming your name. Listen, it was beautiful. I'm not going to complain about it. It was very beautiful. 20,000 people were screaming my name. It was amazing. I enjoyed it. It was packed in the end.

When you say it's the end, it's the end. Are you serious? It is the end, isn't it? Because you've got nothing to prove. I ain't going to have to prove. It's the end now. And just finally, and just finally, Derek, that walk to the ring, what was that light for you?

When you were standing back there, I was looking at you. It was fine. It was great. It was amazing. Yes, son. You go to your family, dear it. You go to your family. Their company's success helped build a nation.

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wherever you get your BBC podcasts. Eric there in the ring, clearly emotional, which is a tricky thing sometimes. Sometimes you have to make a call when you're getting up with a microphone. You know, the man's, both his eyes were bruised and closing. Left eye was cut. His face was full of welts from taking shots and he was exhausted. And also his wife's there, his children are there.

But sometimes you've just got to do things. that really you'd prefer not to do. I'd rather meet Derek tomorrow for a Sunday roast and have 10 minutes with him than interview him in the ring surrounded by his kids, you know, calling him daddy. He'd be talking to a man who's that bashed up

and his little child's calling him daddy. It was difficult. But gladly, thankfully, he said, that is it. There's no one left for me to fight, is what he said. Steve, before this contest, I actually thought that if Derek Chazor was to have won the contest,

I thought there's no way it's going to be his last one. I thought he would have, if he'd have won the fight, he'd have carried on. Eddie Hearns said that on the broadcast. Right, exactly. But you know what, Steve, that fight was so hard and so brutal. Perfect. If he would have won the fight on a split decision, really, really close, I still think he would be hanging up the gloves.

You know what, Richie, I 100% agree with you. And I actually believe that would be the case. Because, you know, had he hit Deonti Wilder on the chin in round two, three or four after a decent fight, 100% is continuing. But the longer that fight went, the more I kept hearing that rocky music in my head as

they were taking shots, rocky style shots, especially all the pushing through the ropes. Because we're so close, we're getting covered in sweat. My notepad's got sweat, wet marks all over it, and a little bit of blood. And from that point, once it got to about four or five rounds,

something in my head was going, this has to be the end. Let's make sure this is the end. And I think how savage it was will persuade Derek that that really is the end. 50's a lovely number. And 20,000 people screaming you across the line. Unbelievable. Yeah, absolutely incredible.

And it was a great way to go out, wasn't it really? He just fell short, but he has given it absolutely everything. He's thrown literally the kitchen sink at Wilder tonight. He couldn't have given any more. Which after your last fight, did you consider a homecoming goodbye in Telford? Or was it ever an option? And did you know after Kowzaki? That was it.

No, I knew. I knew my own heart. My dad had a good sit down with my dad. He says, son, it's time to finish now. You're not quite right. You know, I don't think that desire's there anymore. When you're training, he says, and I think you should. And I knew he was right.

He was telling me. No, I just wondered. Yeah. But you know what? Probably the BBC, probably say. I've got to tell you because soon afterwards, the BBC called me. Do you remember Chris Lewis? Of course I do, yeah.

Chris Lewis called me and says, listen, come and have a talk with us. And he brought me on to Five Live and then I went into television and, you know, the rest is history. So it was the BBC. Because what that did, that kept my mind occupied on a new career. Yeah. On something different. And you needed that focus. You need something focused because I can sit.

I think I'd have been tempted. Yeah, after two months, you try and destroy that. You've got nothing on your mind. And then you're thinking about it. Because it's all you ever know. Yeah, of the boxers. And in your case, going back an awful long way. Can I just say, Rich, that when you went,

you started off at Five Live and went to TV, I really thought that the next line from you was going, then I moved in the movies, and then we moved to Las Vegas and Los Angeles. I thought you were just going to... What, leave Chelford. Leave Chelford, you're joking. That's the Las Vegas or the world of Midlands or whatever you want to call it.

Rich, because the reason I asked you about whether you considered it is that last week when we were in, It seems like forever ago in Manchester. Jerome Warburton beat Nathan Heaney. I fancied Nathan to win the fight, but he lost it, and he lost it clear. And Nathan told us afterwards, or he told me afterwards, that he's going to have one more fight. He's going to have one more homecoming in Stoke to thank the Stokies.

Yeah, which I'm going to mandate as a boxing bank holiday that we have to go to, collectively all of us. Scarf is coming. Paddy's coming. You're coming. Stacey Copeland's driving the minivan. We are going, we are going to Nathan Heaney's last fight in Stoke. And if you're not there, you better have a good excuse.

Like you're working on the World Cup or something like that. There's no, oh no, I've got to go and get my toe-nails painted. I don't know what you'll be doing, but that's what Richard would be doing, Scarfi. Don't laugh. No, quite serious. Because he's going to have a good. We'll all go out and have a trot afterwards to celebrate his career. But I'm delighted that Derek, I really want him to make sure he doesn't fire again.

Because I tear one thing, Rich. every fight we go to where Derek's there, he's going to get the biggest cheer. Frank Bruno gets a biggest cheer at the moment. You know that. Frank Bruno gets a bigger cheer than Aldley Harrison. Certainly bigger than Aldi. Bigger than Lennox.

Ricky used to get a good cheer. Joe Calzacchi gets a good cheer. You get a cheer, but no one beats Frank Bruno. I've got to be honest of you. Yeah, absolutely. The decibel for Frank Bruno and Delboe. They're going to be neck and neck. How man is that?

Chisora is now, you know, and rightly so, he's going to retire. He'll be guessed it shows and the roof will come off because the fans, Steve, you know, you can't bluff the fans. The fans know that he's given absolutely everything. He's fought everyone.

He's given everyone a good fight even in the losses that he's had. He's given everyone a real... He's got down swinging. You know what I mean? He's giving everyone a really good fight. Exactly. So for me, he'll be a hero wherever he goes

and rightly so. He deserves it. Now what about Deonti Warte? We'll hear from him in a moment, about Deonti Wilder, Rich. He won the fight, and there were moments in the fight when he looked good. There were moments in the fight when he looked harassed.

He's talked relentlessly this week in the two interviews I've done with him, or last week with the two interviews I've done with him, about how he's found his new focus. He knows what armor to put on. His head's in the right place. And he's also talked about wanting to fight Usik by the end of the year

and maybe get in Tyson. Fury at some point for revenge. Did he do enough in that fight? to convince the global boxing audience that Deonti Wilder's still got a lot to offer and not just a name to offer. Two very different things, Richie. I think it was very evident in there that he's certainly not the Deontot Wilder of old. I think, you know, definitely not.

I think people may even question his parano, Steve, because, you know, he hit Derek Chazora flush with some really big shots. Temple shots, chin shots, head shots. And Derek, you know, he's come through it at the end of the day. So who knows? I don't think he's, I don't think he'll ever fight at world level again, to be quite honest. But because his name carries, you know, it goes a long way Deonté Wilder and what he's achieved. Yes, he may get another shot here and there because he has got, he has certainly, because of his record, you know, would appear that he has got power.

I think that's questionable now, to be quite honestly, Steve. They say it's the last thing. He still got power, but has he got the Deonti Wilder power? I understand, yeah. You know, could you put him in against a Moses's timer? I'll tell you what I wouldn't like to. No, no, no, no, mad thing. I mean, and also, I don't think necessarily

that Moses's people would fancy it. If he'd have got Derek out of there quickly, they might have fancied it. But as it is, he's just had 12 unbelievable rocky-style rounds with Derek Del Boy Chisora in a grawling, true grit-style fight. That's not really selling him, in my opinion. It's not really selling,

him on. Now, you see, because this fight tonight, it wasn't a fight of quality boxing, let's get it right. It was pure heart guts, and it was like a fight of attrition, really, wasn't it at the end of the day? From about the second round? From about the second round, who wants it most? And they both wanted it, let's face it.

They both took big shots, but the quality of the boxing wasn't that good. No, no, let's get it right. I will say this, after his defeats Deonto Walder, to Parker and Zhang, he changes his trainer, doesn't he? Now with Don, he's.

Don house. Yeah, Don house. So he gets rid of Malick Scott. He was in the audience. He was screaming for him, by the way. You know, so I could see what they're trying to do today, trying to keep their distance, trying to get him to work behind his jab a little bit. I do think he's a little bit more vulnerable these days, Steve, I have to say, chin in the air.

And I better... I didn't like that he reacted sometimes to Derek's big right hands. He seemed to panic. Exactly. So, you know, it's all about levels. And tonight, it was a great entertaining fight. Let's get that right. But it wasn't at the high.

level. It wasn't at World Championship levels. No. No, I couldn't agree. I couldn't agree more. What's also interesting, that that was Deontes, I think, 45th win, but it's only the second time he's ever won on points. On points. The second time he's ever won't. He's ever won't? He's ever won't? He's one of the most explosive heavyweights in history.

And you know, and likable and exciting and guts. Because even against Fury, he's still trying to get up. Against Zillai Zhang when he was done in Saudi Arabia, he's still trying to get up. He's still trying to get up. hurt tonight. He's still trying to get up. Anyway, as I said, as I promised earlier, in an earlier part of this pod, which has been recorded in dressing room

21. It's a little, we got Joe's over there doing all the technical stuff. He's got his laptop out. Scarf, he's in charge of the technical stuff. Paddy, the producer, has been lost somewhere. He's probably been evicted by security, and it's Richie and I sitting on a couple of old chairs. I've got to tell you, there's no food.

There's not even empty containers of chicken dipping sauce. It's just, One plastic bottle of water, which Richie and I are sharing, were absolutely starving. I swear if a mouse come under that door and it was dazed, it might go down in one. I might not even roast it.

As I was saying earlier on, I digress. We will hear, it's been a carnival here tonight. I've got to tell you. It's been a real carnival. It's been a joy to be here. But Adi Eladipo of DeZone did speak to Deonti Wilder in the ring. Here's Adi with Mr. That man over there, Derek Chazora, you promised that you would show the old Deonté Wilder.

You said you'll show the old Deonté Wilder, and we certainly saw moments of that in the ring. You must feel so good with that victory. Man, I feel good. First off, I feel like the glory to God because without him, nothing is possible. You know, Derek, he's a warrior. He came like a line to fight, but like I said before, I don't play Boston, I come to end it. Many people die to me. They counted me out.

They do dirt on my name, but you can't throw dirt on somebody that's chosen. London, y'all always witnessed tonight. What power, what destiny, what glory is all about. I just want to thank everybody that came out tonight, what a magnificent fight it was, and I give all the glory and the thanks to God and thank Derek as well, bro, we got to go fishing. You come to Alabama, baby. You always said that if you show what you have shown in the past, that we're going to see more D'Onté Wilder.

You know, back, and we see more Dianay? Is that it now? We have another run, a world title maybe? Most definitely, hands down, you know. Tonight was very fun. As you can see, I was having a lot of good time, a lot of good fun in the ring. They've got a lot of good shots off,

but, you know, it wasn't anything to a king. You know, I'm a king. And I showed that tonight the punches are absorbed, and I came back. It's all about having fun. I had to heal. You know, it took a long time for me to heal, but I'm back, and I'm going to get better and better each and every time, you know.

And, man, what a fun night tonight. The last two years have been very difficult for you inside and outside of the ring. This result must feel so much better, considering how difficult the last two years have been. Most definitely, because I had adorable opponent. I knew Derek was going to come. I knew he was going to bring everything that he had, This is his retirement fight.

And I was telling him in the ring as I started seeing his eyes swell and his temple starts to buck a little bit. I said, bro, you got to live for your kids. I don't want to hurt you too much longer. So I started having fun in them because I saw my brother starting getting hurt. I started to start weak in his eyes a little bit. And that's what boxing out about. Too many lives have been lost in this ring, this very little ring. And then when it's over for us, nobody give a damn about us.

No matter what they say. So you got with us fighters have to look after each other. And tonight, I looked out the dairy tonight. I didn't want to go too hard upon him because, like I said, I saw his temple, the veins started coming out of his head. And I want him to live for his kids. It's time for us to take care of each other. I have seven of my own.

And babies, I'm coming home to y'all. I love my children. They're my best friend. Naïa, Ava, Derion, DJ, Olivia, Kiyari, and Grace. Daddy coming home, baby. That was Adi talking to, I did feel for Adi a little bit tonight, that was Adi talking to Deonti Wilder because he was getting a good conversation and getting some good points.

And then suddenly Del came over and then someone came in the ring with a belt that said 50 on it, which was a really good looking belt, but it was supplied by someone who knows someone in a fast food restaurant. You thought some of the belts out there were ridiculous. So Derek's now got one in acknowledgement of his 50 fights, basically from the fast food industries of the world, which is beautiful. I don't even know

if they're a sanctioning body. And hey-ho. And Derek said, do I have to pay a sanctioning fee when he was giving it? And then it descended into a bit of farce in the ring. And Richie and I got our stuff together

and walked into this room. So, Richie, it's just in the last couple of minutes. Just with, Deonti Wilde's going to go on. He's either going to fight or he's not going to fight. And he's been brilliant for us. He's been a lot of fun. He's been a great interview over the years. But Derek Del Boy, Chazora.

I've got to ask you, I've got to ask you for a high and maybe a low from the last night. Because you and I covered him on B-winning ABA titles, boxing for England in the Four Nations. You know, we've done that. We've served our Derek Del Boyce's aura apprenticeship, you and I, which let's get it right, mate.

You know, you and I, we've covered him an awful lot. There might be a situation where you and I might be the two broadcasters that have seen more of his professional fights than any other pair of broadcasters. So give me a high and give me a low from Derek Del Boy's career as we bring his career to an end on the pod. I think the high for me was a great win he had. It's actually two great wins.

One was against Carlos Tacker, and he found the target there with a great shot. But for me, because someone I trained for the Olympic Games as one of the GB coaches helped train, was the Joe Joyce win, because I didn't think he'd beat Joe. No. And he beat him on points.

And he did beat Joe back in 2024, only a couple of years ago. Joe had knocked out Joseph Parker in the last round, if I'm not mistaken. So that for me, going into that fight, Joe Joyce was the favourite for me, and I thought he would outbox, and I thought he would beat Derek Chazora. And Derek, well and truly beat him over 10 rounds. I thought that was fantastic. I think the low point was probably the brawley had with David Hay. David Hay is probably one of the low points.

And as I made a joke about that earlier on today, you know, Del Boy has set standards for lunacy in and outside the ring. when Derek Del Boycezoa leaves the top table in Munich that night inside the Olympic Hall in Munich, the same hall where the boxing took place, but also the same hall where Olga Koolbert won of gold medals in 1972, a little bit of history for you there, Richie. I don't mess around, son.

So that's why it was so emotional at night. It's so special to me that Olympic venue. And even before Derek left the top table, which was 20 minutes after losing on points to Vitali Klitsko, which is not a bad night. It pushed Klitsko for 12 rounds. That's when he leaves the table and walks out past us and right in front of us has a tear up with David Hay.

And David Hay ends up swinging a tripod, which catches Adam Booth, his own coach on the head. And then we end up getting in a car with Jim Rosenthal smuggling David Hay out of the area. The police are coming one way. We're going the other way. And David's on the floor, on the floor under my legs in the back of a van. And we park him in a car park and send him straight to the airport.

He gets on the first flight at 6 o'clock. Derek tries to get on a flight at 10 o'clock. Him and Don Charles, his trainer, and they get stopped by the police and held all day. We got David out, and we played a great role that night. So even before that, when Derek had those two mad incidents, that might be in one night the good and the bad, the crazy and the sensible, the extremes.

You know what, Richie,'s been a pleasure and a delight being here with you. And it is odd that you and I will not do another Derek, Dale Boy, Chisora fight. I've been doing Derek Dillowice's or a fight for far too long. It's been a pleasure. It's been an absolute delight working with him at ringside, working with him. He's been on our broadcast, doing interviews with him, him not talking to me for a couple years because I suggested about eight years ago that he should retire. But just really watching his guts and his resilience has been incredible. And it was fitting tonight that 20,000 people piled into this spiritual home, this giant dome we've got here.

in this little bit of the Thames. The old dome, the O2, whatever you want to call it, it is a box in haven. It's one of our mechas. It's brilliant. I know MGM's Grand Garden's good. We know that the Madison Square Garden, just the Garden, is good.

But it's about time we stuck the O2 in that dialogue. This is our Vegas and our Madison Square Garden. All rolled into one, Rich, and the Americans love it. And tonight there's an American who left. but I don't want to sound cliched. It wasn't about the win. It was just about the appearance. And Derek Del Boy Tezora, aka War,

a man who did come to a press conference once for a Vitali Klitsko fight in a three-wheeler from Only Fools and Horses. He did come to the fight. He came to the press comments in that. He really did. It was all about Derek Del Boyce Zora tonight and he didn't let himself down

and he didn't let the fans down. No, not at all. Last week was absolutely hectic. Well, we're not finished because we've got Sunday boxing, we've got the MVP show, we've got five British women in four world title fights, there'll be another pot after that. And then in a couple of days' time, it's back to North London, and it's the start of the Tyson Fury, Arsenal Beck-McMoodoff week.

The heavyweight season, it's more than a heavyweight season, it's a boxing season, and it's all about us here in Britain. What a time to work in the boxing business. Richie, it's been an absolute pleasure. Yes, Steve. Loved it. We did a great job tonight. All in all, a very special night.

Very special and very emotional. My name's Steve Bratnell. A sister manager of Royal Oak FC. Nah, one bit of news. Administration News. It's Jono here from BBC Sounds. I can't confirm Royal Oak versus Nags Head will be streamed live.

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