5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Tyson Fury: Make Boxing Great Again

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

Can Tyson Fury be the sport’s saviour after vowing to make boxing great again? The Gypsy King joins Buncey to reveal why he’s ended his retirement, why he’s convinced another world title is within reach, and why he’s decided to go without a trainer. We also hear from his promoter, Frank Warren, and his opponent, Arslanbek Makhmudov. Plus, Barry Jones breaks down the fight and explains what each man must do to get the win.

This is Five Live Boxing. So another heavyweight showdown, another outdoor fight, the 12th in about seven years, 68,000 at Spurs for the return, the inevitable return of the Gypsy King, Tyson Fury, against Arsland Beck MacMoodoff, 840 11th, Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing. It seems like an awful long time ago since the first came to Spurs and sat down. out on that balcony with Anthony Joshua, who's in great form, a few weeks later was going to be fighting Alexander Ousick,

and then, of course, there was Connor Ben and Chris Eubank to us, and of course there was December 3rd, 2020, in the freezing cold. No, it wasn't, it was tropical. Derek Delboece's aura in what we thought might be his last fight against Titan Fury. This place is not that old, but it's had some big, big nights. He's got another one, April 11 of two men, both over about six or eight. Tyson Fury, obviously, and Arslenbeck, Mac, mood of. Now, they're two very different, man, as you're going to hear very shortly.

But before I hear from the boxes and also the promoter, Frank Warren, obviously, I've dragged along as an awful long way. Barry seems to have travelled at halfway across Siberia. Barry Jones is with me. Barry, first of all, you've been around the two fighters, so they've seen them, you've got a bit of a buzz, a bit of a vibe. What's your gut feeling? That's the first part of the question. And the second part is, did you always know Tyson Fueu de ending his retirement and come back to boxing? Of course I did. I mean, he was never going to stay retired.

I mean, that was just obviously a fact, just because there was one big fight there. No, I think that's, there was one big fight that we all talked about with Anthony Joshua, but that still happens, but that was always too on the table too tempting not to come back. As the fight with MacMood,

though, I think it's the perfect fight to come back to. There's a guy here who's just box on British Soul, boxed really well again. I know Dave Allen's not the same level as Tyson Fury, but a guy that came at him and he boxed really well. And also, showed a bit of stamina, which is a big question

on MacMudav which is why he's lost in the past. Yeah, of course, yeah, he's falling apart. But he's slow, and he's root one, and he's not the hardest target to find his shots, so you tend to think this is the perfect fight for Fyude to come back with and show loads of stuff

to make him, again, a real force or a real appetizing option for anyone who wants to fight him, which you'd guess would be, you know, Alexander Usik for the third fight. Actually, Barry, as you're talking there, it reminded me that we've had, have we done a massive Tyson Fury

is never going to fight again, pod at least twice, like Popper once a, because I'm, I'm not going to be one of those aftertimers. I thought this might be genuine. I thought this might be, I thought he might have gone for real.

We did it in Toplin Court. What's that place called? The Outs. Oternet. We were in there. Upstairs, the Oternet. He was talking about, Can't believe he's retired.

And he's definitely going to be gone. What a career he's had. And what a career he has had. by the way and he might have another stage of that career but you know I mean it's sad we all know about boxing and it's literally with people going on going on too long making too many coming back off one fight too often but we all know the drug that is boxing and he's talked about that type so hard that his rehab is being in that gym not just being in that gym being in that gym preparing for a big fight look do you know what you know

how many times he's fought indoors in Great Britain in the last 11 years? Indoorse. Indoors? Indoors? Indoors. Indoors in Great Britain since 2015. Three. None. Once. Shut up. Once. Only one fight indoors in that period. Since 2015? Yep. Do you know who it was? You'll get it. You'll kick yourself when I tell you.

2015? That was Chazora. No, 2015. When was Chazzoa versus him? The second fight? The second fight. 2015, Sefa Safiri, Manchester. Oh yeah, his comeback. When he ended his exile.

God, the old, I'm getting old, because that seems, that doesn't seem that long ago. 11 years ago, that was. I say what don't seem long ago either. When you were talking about Tottenham, it's something that doesn't do with this podcast, by the way. You were talking about Tottenham, the ground, and the first one was Joshua and Usik.

Doesn't that seem about three years ago? Yeah, and that was what? What, 20, 20, whatever. I've got it written down there somewhere. It might be 20-20. Oh, it's a lot. It's just mad, isn't it? It's just how many fights have gone on since then?

And the landscape of the sport. I mean, he's prevailed, of course. Well, listen, in the 70s, 80s and 90s, I can only find about four or five big outdoor fights. And none of them, none of them, like 42, $42,000 is your one, 19-19-19-19-19-old traffic. That's 42,000, that's bigger than Bruno Outdoors against, Giverspoon, bigger than Bruno outdoors, even against Oliver McCall.

Something's gone, something in the last seven, eight years has stepped up and given us these ridiculous events. This will be the 12th event. Anyway, enough history. Let's forget that. Tyson Fury has been in Thailand for about six weeks, and I've watched his body transform, but I went into his room. He was getting a fitting for a suit, a very fancy and snazzy suit.

So he's done that. And I'll be honest with you, his eyes, his skin, his skin, his body, he looked in trivary shape. He is a very, very excitable young man called Tyson Fury. I'm very happy. I was in a very great place, but boxing was dead without me. So I'm here to make boxing great again.

That's what I come back for. So was that annoying when you were watching those big fights last year thinking they just need one thing? They need a GK to walk back through the room. You can put on the biggest events in the world, but if you have no charisma, no character there, it's boring. boxing not just an art of two men fighting each other

it's the entertainment business it's show business it's Hollywood and that's what I do I bring the X Factor to this game and there's nobody else alive today that can bring more X Factor to boxing than Tyson Fury hence the reason I've been away a year got myself a little bit chubby yeah but not too chubby not too chubby let's just say that and then I come back I bring the biggest broadcaster in the world with me

and my first fight back against Mac Moodov at me at Tottenham Hot Spurr Stadium at 60,000 seat him. And of course, no one thinks we're going to do any good at it, do, will he? No, he won't sell. Should have gone to your call? Should I went to York Hall? He won't sell out Wembley. He won't sell out Tottenham.

In December, in the winter. Against Derek, Derek can't fight his an husband. No, go, go, my boy. Next. I'm now after a year away, he's back with Mac Moodov, the Big Mac. And I'm about to sell out another 60,000. If I are there, life just wouldn't be fair. Would it?

Yeah, that's what I always say. All jokes aside, last year, were there times when you generally thought you were staying away? You generally thought you were gone? Did you always... Was it always there? 100% was retired for a full year. I had no intention to make a gunback.

Hence the reason I was away doing reality TV show at home with a Fury season two and the biopic documentary on Tyson Fury's full life, which is unbelievable, by the way. I had no intentions of doing it I was captain in England flying all around the world with my family and happy

and very happy achieved everything I've ever wanted in my life and more but again like I said to you it's a long time ago I'm not here for any other reason than to make boxing great again

for the love of the sport and the banter that come with it so coming back is it to make boxing great again is also to win that world championship again and does that part of that mean a third fight with Ousek Well, let's just say this.

Let's see what happens against Mac Moodov. He's a big fellow with a big knockout punch. I'm 37 years old. I've been inactive for 16 months, which you know and I know. That's a factor. That's a massive factor. I know I'm good. I know I'm beautiful.

I know I'm excellent. But how good is this man? I didn't have a four three year out of the ring, but I was only 29. You're a kid then. Yeah? Now I'm an older person, pensioner really. And you came back against Sophia, Safiri, if you don't mind me saying, so, ties.

Yeah, but only with you. From being 400 pounds to Wilder was six months. Belie that. That was the ridiculous risk. Yeah. So I fought Sephora in June. June. And then I fought Wilder on the 1st of December,

which was crazy, won't it? Madness. Frank Warren was there to prove it. In fact, I'm not lying. None of us could believe it. Then we had that 12th round. Exactly. I can't go down the rabbit.

The most epic 12 rounders in history. It's not good of a 12 round. It's the leading scene on my biopic documentary on Netflix. So it should be. I've got to ask you a serious question. I know you've reached out to him, but Anthony Joshua, that must have been hard when you put that nose. Very hard.

You know, boxing rivalry is one thing, but humanity and human life is another. In this comeback tour, I haven't mentioned AJ one time. I only wished him all the best, and I hope he gets well soon. In times like this, you need good, strong girlfriends and family around you. And I wasn't there. I don't know exactly what's gone.

on, but for what I've heard and what I've seen, it's been catastrophic and eventful, to say the least. So if the lad wants to come back boxing, fantastic for him. And if he doesn't, he's done marvellous. Congratulations. But yeah, I've got no malice feelings towards the lad. Never have, never will do. It's sports one thing.

But when things like that happen, it could have been me. It could have been new. It could have been Frank. Could have been any of us in that car. And God has a plan for everybody. So whatever his journey is, is his own business. And whatever my journey is, big Macmadove, that's my business. He's big boy?

I didn't think he was that big. He's as big as me. I said, have you got platforms on? I thought you were six foot four. Just fight the final one, GK. Do you win the world championship again this year? Any time I won. Whoever has them world championships, if it's fair,

bit fair playing field, yeah. They ain't beat me, please. Let me get this fella out, yeah? They should make this for the world aisle. the World Everyweight Championship of the real G, him, me, the travelling circus, the only show in town. The only show in town. I've got to ask you a serious question. Just quickly, four guys, it's my last question.

I'm being dragged away. They're smashing me, they're bruising me in the bag. You can see it. You all right? You all right. You can't think we go back 20 years, wasn't it? No, exactly. Who's going to be the training team?

What is the training team? I'm going to train like Club Alang on my own. Anywhere. On my own anywhere. On me own anywhere. I don't need a trainer. I don't need a nutritionist. I don't need a mine coach.

I don't need a sleep coach and I definitely don't need a strength coach do it all myself But you need someone to do your tie Yeah I need someone to do my tie And here's what else I need in boxing Someone to wash my gum shield out And give me some water in between rounds

And give me a smear of gasoline across the eyes And leave the rest to me PhD in boxing So that's all the great stuff there About the Gypsy King being back And bringing excitement And making boxing great again And winning a world title

I could win it tomorrow All of that stuff's fine, but he's got to get through a real fight in Arsenal, MacMood of that. And by the way, I think that's a really perfect fight for a comeback, just like you. How about this? When I asked him here about the trainer, he said, oh, I need this, a bit of grease on my eyebrow, and this, that and the other. So I'm assuming his father, Big John will be part of the team. He's been here today, screaming and shouting and putting on a bit of a show and chasing down.

I think it was Carl Frotchi was upset with. Hopefully they haven't come to fisty cuffs as we were recording this, although it was getting quite heated. My gut feeling is that there'll be some sort of deal and it'll end up being Sugar Hill Stewart again coming back here That's my gut feeling Yeah, I would say, I mean He knows enough to know what to do when he's in the ring

And he knows enough about the man But training yourself, if that's what we're talking about, it's dangerous because you're telling yourself You've got to get up in the morning You're telling yourself when you get the gloves like No, that quite happens anyway with big stars Yeah, yeah When they do have a really experienced training with them

They still do what they want. But look what happens. Nazad de Manuel Stewart when he boxed Barrera. I know it was Barrera. For like two hours in ten weeks. But also he didn't get battled like everyone makes out. You got beat, that's all. It was only one winner, but he wasn't a landslide.

But still, you know, deciding when you come to the gym, when you don't. I mean, your trainer has to be your god. That's when it works perfectly when you have that trust against an experienced guy. You trust his knowledge. And he tells you what to do, when to do it. because boxing's uncomfortable in the ring so training should be uncomfortable you shouldn't know, it shouldn't be a plan

when you do when you do it. And I think Sugar Hill and Andy Lee when they came in originally for those Deonti Wilder fights for the rematch, the re-match, Deonti Wada rematch, I felt they did have a stronger grip on him than now.

I mean, it's only maybe, but I got feeling we were out in Vegas for a whole week. Sugar Hill's resume, he speaks for themselves, so I'm talking about it on tour in here, but I've never been sold on that,

on him in general, actually, I'm not about to say this, but I don't know why. Maybe he doesn't talk with the same authority, And that says me. But I mean, it just, I don't see how he gets the respect of a fury

who seems to be a guy who needs to like tell. Do you know what I mean? You've got to, not almost bully, not bully him, but almost like, you've got to do it this way. Because they come from a background, I think that the travelling background where people are very to the point. Black and white and direct.

This is what it is. Yeah, someone. Do this, do that, do that, do that, do that. to this. I mean, maybe. For my experience, I don't know. My gut feeling is that during the two Ussick fights, one of which was a sort of slender defeat and the other was a decent defeat, you know,

I thought he lost both, but one was tight. And he knows, I mean, some Big John Gypsy Fury got a lot of criticism for some of the stuff he was saying in the corner, mostly because he was talking over Andy Lee or talking over Sugar Hill. But Big John was very direct with what he said. So

perhaps that's the voice. A big John's talked about that being the voice. Whoever the voice say this it shouldn't be more than one voice. They can all talk with each other and I think that's the criticism. Not what he was saying it's like, who's in Chad? Who's stealing the ship? We said the same with Dubois, don't

me? Who's stealing the ship? He said the guy in the corner, is he the dad sat ringside? I mean they might be just as important as each other. It's got to be the man in the corner about it. But you can hear more than one voice. It's just noise otherwise how you focus. So but same with that. When you have things like that you learned like my

amateur coach wasn't very good. I learned to think for myself at a lower level so then when you turn pro, people tend you're telling you step, but ultimately I still think of what have I got to do? But when you can't find the answers, that's when you need a cornerman. Ultimately, you're only as good as your fighter. As a trainer and a cornerman,

which is not exclusively the same thing. You can be a great trainer, bad in the corner, and vice versa. But you need people there. Not just someone to say, time, you know, Tyson, try this, try that, try this, try that, because you can't see it from the outside. I mean, you think you're doing something good, but they might go,

but Tyson you're trying this and it's all, if you look from where we're seeing, there's so many gaps. You need people to sharpen you up a little bit. You do, you need someone to bounce off, even if it's just the bounce off. You might be in charge, but you need someone there.

And you need someone to tell the truth if after a couple of weeks in camp, no matter how shiny his skin looked and clear his eyes looked when I was with him today, that wasn't him responding to a good sparring partner. That wasn't him responding on the bag doing a grueling session on a Friday. That wasn't him having to think when he was on the pads.

That was just how he looked physically. But that wasn't a boxing judgment. That was just a straightforward eyesight judgment. Yeah, it's what you said there. You said the bag, and that's a good thing there. Because when you work hard, when you feel fit, when you feel energy, sometimes you have a good day and you'll work beyond your fitness level.

You'll keep going. You'll keep going. And that's what Brian's own fitness to a level where you might get injured. You almost go that far. But when you don't fancy it, you just say that's enough. And sometimes you need someone to go,

no, it's not enough. And you go, I don't fancy it. But there's two more rounds in you. And then at the end of session, my dad used to do it to me. You go, at the end of the session, you go, you go, no, but I said that was an awful session. Yeah.

But you wanted to finish six rounds. You did eight. So you don't mean, you did eight. When you didn't want to do four, but you did eight. But you also need someone, Barry, if you're the kind of guy that pushes himself to do eight

when he should only be doing six and you need someone strong enough in the gym and say, No, listen, tomorrow off, we're stopping the day at six. We're not going to eight. Now, when you've been like Tyson Fury, the two-time world heavyweight champion,

when you've made the type of money Tyson's Fury has made, you need a strong man to be able to tell a man to have a day off in the gym. Man or woman, he's a strong coach. And also, psychology is very important. And so training to get fit, we can all do that. Anyone can do that.

But sometimes you'll go through the, you'll just go through the motions to get fit. but the intensity how you train and the focusing how you train for a certain fighter or a certain fight can be the difference with people whispering near ear. Do you think, sorry, Bal, soon and forth again, I'll crash through this,

do you think that Fury picked Mahmoud off because he knew there would be a degree of fear, an element of fear? I mean, he's knocked out 19 of his 23, 17 in the first round or whatever. So we know he can bang. We know he can get hit. We also know we've seen him stopped,

so we know he can get beat. I think he's picked it for the other way. I think he's picking for his pace. That even though he's dangerous, He's quite reasonable. You didn't want someone fast. And except for the Dave Allen fight, he hasn't shown that he hasn't got a good engine

when he's not in charge. In the Allen fight, he was in charge. That's the difference. When he's not in charge, he struggles. Cabell showed that, of course. So I think he's a guy who can, if you tired him out, you can play with him. He's seen that.

That's what he's taken, eh? But he's a massive guy. He looked apart. The UK fans know him because of the Dave Allen fight. Yeah, of course. And the US fans know him he was bang on ESPN for a long time.

Not just that, Bauer. When you get in a big boxer from one of the former Soviet republics who stands about 6'9 has got that giant beard. He's a modern-day Ivan Drago referencing the Rocky movies, whether you like it or not,

the public warmth. And they did with David Hay against Nicolai Valley, we have the beasts in the east. We love that stuff. We're simple souls, us, boxers. Anyway, I call up with Frank Warren as well who, of course, has been...

He sort of played a bit of a backseat last year. He wouldn't be drawn on whether Fury would come back. He just played it cool, but he spent a bit of time today with Fury, and I grabbed hold of him. He looks well, mentally, he's in a really good place, but physically he looks as the best I've seen it. And he's still got eight weeks to go. Frank, during that period he was away, all those months he was away,

did you always know he'd come back, or were you just saying if he comes back, great, if he stays away, great. I never had a conversation with him about it, and I always felt he'd make up his own mind because he's a fighting man and he had quite a busy schedule last year with his at home in the fury

Netflix situation and the documentaries and various other businesses but I knew he would I really felt he had come back and if he was going to come back I want him to come back now not four or five years later

come back why he's still got the where we're all and the powers and the box and abilities to show the world what he's about. And this is different than when he came back after that long break after Vladimir. Saffir, Saffiri, obviously,

is an opponent, perfect opponent for the night, massive soldier at the end of him in a room. This is a different type of comeback fight. Because this is a, you know, basically it's an eliminate of real world title against a valid man. And I agree with that.

I agree with that. You know, he's an, it's an amazing fight. It's that, you know, to come back and take a guy on who's got the record he's got, I think he's had 17 KOs in the first round. It's a big step.

up for it. Most guys have taken easier fight and we've seen a few not mentioned names who've come back and had easy jobs. He's jumping in with a big guy who actually fancest of job. Now once he and formally announced he was coming back were there loads of

offers for opponents or did he personally choose? He chose. Would it be your choice? With a British pub... On a list? No, I don't think look at him now, yeah, but I mean I weren't sure what he's going to look like but You know, he's done, you know, he's the public knowing.

He fought and beat Dave Allen over here. And it's, I think it's a good comeback fight for him. Now, since April 2017, when Vladimir Klitsko fought AJ, outdoors at Wembley, this would be our 12th outdoor $65,000 plus. I know we've done Fabio Wardley, but that was only $30,000. I'm talking about, that's quite absurd. So that's more in the last six or seven years than in the previous 36 or seven years you were promoting.

That's correct. I mean, they've done it, but the reason they're happening, because the fighters and the fans want to see them. And there's a market there for him. I mean, he still holds the record for Wembley when he fought Dillion White. That was a world record purse bid at the time for heavyweight,

but for any fight. And also, it was the biggest gross in the event. And we had over 400,000 people in the queue, wanted to buy tickets because sold it out four times over. So if it goes on, assuming it beats Arsenal Beck, then we move on,

would it be a world title next or would there be another fight in a world title? That we don't know. What's your gut feeling? I don't know because the original intention was to him have this fight and then he comes through and AJ's have his fight

and then they meet each other. But obviously AJ's a terrible, tragic accident. We don't know where we are at. We'll see what happens after this fight. Who would your rivalry thought if he fought for a World Tard? Usyk or Fabio. Who would you rather he fought?

The winner. It's a good fight. It's a cracker of a fight. And just finally, I'm going to start where I end it. I'm going to end where I started, Lava. The way he looks and just the way you've been around him in private, not when he's performing. He just seems in a great place, Frank.

It's perfect position. He is. I mean, he said it himself, and you only got to look at him. I mean, he looks so well. He started to start the interview off. Stacing that, and that is a factor like. Everybody is saying the same thing. Listen, Frank, thank you.

It's a pleasure of me, I'm saying. Frank, I think, as impressed today with Tyson Fury as I was, physically, looked. Yeah. I thought he just, I know that's not, as I said earlier, it's not the boxing. I appreciate that. But I've seen him look far worse in Fight Week, Barry. Yeah, of course, yeah. I think it's very important.

I think that comes with age and maturity and discipline. You understand. As he said, I put a bit of weight on, but not too much. Yeah, I think he knew he was going to come back. I mean, obviously he always knew. But I think he been training for a while. We see him in training camp now, but I think he's been training way before that to get ready.

He trains every Friday, does a 20-round session on Friday, whether it's bags, pads or sparring. And they call it something Friday. I can't repeat it on radio. So he's trained every Friday. I know the people that go and train with him. See, that just keeps you in shape. to get fit.

Yeah. You're not fit, being in shape, ready to get fit. So you haven't got to do all the real, real groundwork from, over that, from day one pretty much,

you're sort of like, you're hitting the ground running to get fit and conditioned. And that's the different. One thing I would say about fuel, is fitness or not, he is conditioned from a lifetime of boxing to box. Yes.

He could do any other sports. I don't think you do any of the sports. Not about technically, I just think fitness-wise. Yeah, I think you're right. He'd be not good playing football, not going to do anything else. Yeah, yeah.

He absolutely exhausted. But boxing. is what he can do. He's got a great engine. He really had a natural engine to throw punches when he's tired because he's just done it all his life. And maybe he's because of those mad Fridays

they have where they do all the mad stuff. Yeah. So, Arsland Beck-McMoodov, when we first went out to Saudi in October of 2020-23, he was on the bill that day, smashing someone, and he played the baddie, the boxing baddie perfectly.

Unfortunately, he then got comfortably beat by Ajik Kavail. At the moment, his record is 23 fights, 21 wins with two stoppage. defeats, but 19 of those wins come quick out of the 21, and I think 17 or something ridiculous are in the opening round, something ridiculous like that. He's slightly

younger than Fury. He's a little bit shorter. He's either 6, 7, 6, 8, or 6 in a bit. He's something like that. And as Fury said, they said he was 6'4, he's not 6'4. I called up with Arslandeuf, and English is obviously his second language, but you know, he still's got some good

things to say, and you know what? He seems like a gentleman. Aston Beck has Tyson Fury made a mistake in picking you. You're not making a mistake. You make a right choice, but this church has to have to be happened, and I make it happen my win this April 11th. And I'm here.

And before the fight, in the last few years, are you a Tyson Fury fan? Were you a Tyson Fury fan? Yes. almost 10 years ago we did make a photo I've seen it

yes I was of course I was his fun because he showed big performance good performance do you think him having one year out is a dangerous thing to do

and then to fight a good heavyweight like you is it dangerous yes of course it's no good for to be out one year But for him, I noticed it was a big problem because he's a lot of experience.

He has a lot of years in boxing life. So for me, it's not a big problem. And during this day, when you'll be around him, have you seen him yet? Have you stood with him? Have you looked in his eyes yet? Yes, just like five-twerebin ago, we had a together podcast.

I saw him. How was that? Very funny guy. So, What is it that Tyson Fury does best when he fights? What is it, is his jab, is his speed, is his heart? What does he do best? I think by boxing IQ.

It's best as boxing IQ. He can use his toe, his jab. Today's the name of boxing, you know. That's why one's best boxer, I think, a weight in history. That's why we do best, a lot of things. You can do best a lot of things. Now for you, it's another fight to prove that you are still a top fighter. So it's a test for you as well.

Yes, for me it's a test. For me, it's a challenge to show all the world. I'm in top level. I'm here to be, to my ambition to be world champion. So it's test for me. It's changed for me. And I have to show. I'm here for that.

Because people. are saying to him, if he beats you, then he fights for a world title. So if you beat him, then you fight for a world title. Is that what you're thinking? Of course, yes. Of course. So that's Aslan Beck having a chat with me. Barry, just off to your right, just off to my left, as it gets a bit dark here in North London. That's the stadium. Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium, 66 or 67 or 68,000 will be in there on the night. MacMudov's not bothered about the crowd because he'll have his own personal guide bringing him to the ring

and he fears nobody when he's under the watchful eye. How does this fight play out? What's your gut feeling, first bell? Not a lazy prediction, but I think McMulov has to be, not start fast, but it has to make an impression fast.

Now, if he starts fast and Furyy makes him miss, then the tank empties quick and Furyy stops him within five rounds. That's what will happen. On his knees exhausted, literally. Well, it just be a stop it in here. But yeah, it would just be a big massive target to hit.

And we've seen that about Moodov before. We're missing, missing for anyone's tiring, but missing for a big lump, especially ones who slow and like him and being picked apart then by a fury who doesn't dance anymore, but it's still elusive enough. It's like the second version of Muhammad Ali.

The Ali in the 60s, the guy that has the best foot work and the work. This is a different Ali. This is the Ali from, this is the Ali from the Raleigh from the Romer in the jungle. This is a different Tyson Fury to that Tyson Fury to that Tyson Fury. The one that beat, the one that beat Vladimir Clever Rich go in Dussledor, in front of 50,000 people. That heavyweight's gone.

That Tyson Fury is gone. He went after the first wilder fights. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. That was it. Or maybe those two fights in the machine fully boxing the second time. So take me back to the night. Come on.

April 11th. But I think from a mood that's having a success, you got to get some impact early. So you've got to stop the movement. You've got to stop the illusion. You've got to make Tyson Fury think, oh hang on a minute make him second guess himself

so you can't hit the head you'll hit the body you'll hit that chest you got old-fashioned heavy weight 80s heavy weights jab hit him in the shoulder stop that movement banging with the right hand

but you've got to be economical with your work if you're trying to swing too much you'll make you miss and then you're done so you've got to try to steal this space I don't know whether he has the footwork or the intelligence

to do that he hasn't shown that yet and for Fury it will be don't make any silly mistakes just make you miss I mean Fury he'll go out and try and knock him on in the first round, I think.

He'll try that. But he'll try it quick. She always reacts. And go back to... And then go back, yeah. Which makes all the same. So, Fudy got some time. Fury got to realize that...

I can stop this fella, but if I take my time, don't try... If I try and over the impress, I might get myself into trouble, which is a fury trait because he loves to give a fight on opportunity to whack him. Because within that,

within that vulnerability is where all the magic lies, isn't it? It's where he does all his amazing stuff over the years. So he gives you the opportunity and then takes it away from you or gets caught. We've seen both of those happen.

But I think he'd be a little bit smarter for you because he'd be not a long time. He is a little bit older. Mook Moodov's still a massive lump and losing to him is not like losing to Ouzik. No, no, absolutely. He's losing to a guy who's below his level.

Yes. Where'd you come back from there? The whole run and the mystery is done. The whole comeback's over. Yeah, unless it's controversial, whichever case you have a rematch, but you're right. Well, controversial.

if he edits him. I mean, if it goes to points it's controversial, it shouldn't have got that point there. Absolutely. So ultimately, I think Fully stops him and I think it's going to be

after the sixth and seventh round. Now, almost in the last 200 or 300 hours, it's been announced that another massive all British World Heavyweight Championship fight will take place.

Daniel Dubois, challenging Fabio Wardy for the IBF title on May the 9th at the 02 if I'm not mistaken. I think it's the O2. I think this is just a fantastic,

fabulous fight. So just a quick word on that announcement. The idea that we're going to be outdoors with 67,000 or 69,000 and two and a half weeks later, we're going to be indoors, 21,000 sold out of Fabio Wardley, Daniel Dubois,

which is just a great don't blink fight. And that will mean by May the 10th, we would have had two absolute heavyweight blockbusters taking place. You've got a little of Fabio Wardy. He just doesn't want an easy fight, does he? He's literally, he's walking away from easy fight. He's turning his back on an easy fight.

No, I don't want to fight him. Why? Because it's just too easy. Too easy. So give me down to Dubai. Okay, Dan and Dubai is just coming off a loss. But, see, I think they're both good and bad for each other because obviously there's the mental aspect from Dubois

that if you get it on top of him and smother him, that mentally he crumbles. Because we've seen it. I don't want to snag him off. That's just how it is. But also, he's a very neat, correct puncher who can be dangerous and has a lovely jab. And punching that one,

way. Back with Don Charles so he might be regained his composure. Punching the way he punches. If he comes out against Joshua, that could cause

Wally all the problems in the world. Because Wally can be hit and be hurt. The problem is with Wally when he's hit and hurt is when he's dangerous. When he's the most dangerous,

when he's tired, he's most dangerous. And I think ultimately it comes down to that. The fact that Wawley can function under massive amounts of pressure and pain

is the difference between these two. The technically better boxing is clearly Daniel Dubois, but the more athletic and certainly the more instinctive reactive fighter and why he gets to win for me is Fabio Wardley.

Fabio Wardley against Daniel Dubois, Tyson Fury back after 16 months or whatever it would be at that point against Arsenal Beck-McMoodoff, outdoors in front of about 67, $68,000. Fights left, fights right and fights centre.

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