5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Usyk v Dubois 2: Daniel Dubois, Don Charles and an Open-Top Bus

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Repeat or revenge? Darren Barker hops aboard Daniel Dubois' open-top bus with Buncey to preview Saturday night’s undisputed heavyweight clash between Oleksandr Usyk and Dubois. They’re joined by Dubois himself and his trainer Don Charles.

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Daniel Dubois is in there. I'm going to wander inside. I'm looking for Darren Barker. And I will just warn you, who knows what happens on Big Fight Wigs? Who knows what surprises might be there? This is genuine Big Fight Week. Four heavyweight titles,

the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world, Usik v. Dubois on Saturday. Right now, though, it's the start of the week. The Sun's out. Here's the Fight Hotel. Let's just play it by year. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing. So we've recorded over the years the pod and some various places on a beach,

up the top of the Empire State Building, in a tunnel, in a dungeon, in a fake prison, at ringside, obviously, in a thousand hotels. Well, now we're on an open top bus driving around the West End. At the front of the bus, there's Daniel Dubois, and it's a boxing bus that's been used before for tours. And if I sound like I'm wobbling and falling, I am wobbling and falling. So we're driving, we're going to go down towards Baker Street. I've no idea where we're going to go, Oxford Circus. joined on the top of the bus by a former world champion

who looks a bit shaky up here, to be honest of you. Darren Parker's with me. Now, Darren, you've spoken to both boxers today, or you've seen both boxes today, and you'll be doing a face-off for your zone duties. First of all, it just seems like yesterday we were in New York, because guess what? We were in New York just yesterday.

How was your New York trip? Very, very good. Really enjoyed myself. Chelsea winning the club world cup put the icing on the cake and I will not let anyone forget that for the next four years that we are champions of the world

so your league titles your European titles because we are the governors but that was really, really good two really good shows obviously Friday night was Katie Taylor Saturday night was Hamza Shiraz's remarkable victory over Edgar Belanga

so yeah really good but I'm a bit like a zombie as you probably are mostly I feel, I mean, we landed this morning and it's still under the morning. Trees are hitting people. Bod, who's in charge security, has come away from the Oasis Store to do this this week. He's telling people to mine their heads as the branches from trees here.

We're coming up to the back of Selfages. Daniel's going in the front. We've been moved to the back, which makes sense, I guess. No, you're on your own? Okay, so we're going to do the pot over here on the right. Daniel's just going to be on our left. left waving at people. Right, and ask you any questions, Dan.

Don't worry, bro. We've already done the questions. Darren, this weekend is a massive, massive fight. 100 or000. Revenge, hopefully, for the man just on to our left, dear Daniel Dubois, who told us to stay at the front of the bus with him, hopefully revenge for him. Usig obviously thinking it's just going to be a continuation.

He's got two wins over Anthony Joshua. He's got two wins over Tires of Yuri. He thinks he's going to get two wins. Adding Dubois to that. What's your gut feeling? What's your sense? you're with them. Well, look, they're both confident.

There's that, you know, underriding feeling of nerves that you can see with fighters that are very close to that first belt. But, you know, two guys that are top of the world at the minute, you know, two extremely... It's one and two undoubtedly, and we seldom get that, do we? Yeah, look, form heavyweights at the minute. Two fighters are eager to get...

in there. The fight itself, I'm really, really looking forward to it. This is a completely different fight to the first fight and that's, boils down to a number of reasons, I think, Steve. Obviously, the Mantua right here at the front of the bus is a different man. He's reborn, if you like, the confidence that he

has, certainly from the last fight, you know, front of thousands of people at the National Stadium knocking out the National Darling that's anti-Josh- I see, bloating, cheered out. Yeah, exactly that. And I asked Daniel earlier, I said, you know, it's Was it hard to motivate yourself and get back in the gym after such a big win like that?

And he said, no, it's just made him more hungry. It's got a Brundle filter this, isn't it, Steve? I feel like I'm on the F1 grid. So then we moved to the back of the bus, I understand it because they're trying to create space. They've got all film crews, obviously, the zone have got all their stuff. Here's a tree, just mind that tree down, duck under that tree. There is actually there is a tree in the... So we're now at the back, it's a bit more peaceful, a bit more calm.

Daniel's up the front, he's perfectly happy on his own waving at fans. And I think that's the crucial thing here, is that we know Usik is going to be what Usik is, a little bit older than he was then. He was two years ago, maybe a little bit slower, but he's still going to be as trick. He's still going to be as smart. But we know that Daniel is fundamentally a different human being getting in the ring this Saturday than the one who stepped into the ring in August in Poland.

Absolutely. We've all known how good of a fight at Daniel Dubois is. Technically, that's never been an issue. It was more about the mental state of the young man, Daniel Dubois. But that has completely been turned around that. You couldn't even question it. The way he rallied back against Miller, somebody who could make you quit. If you was mentally unstable, Miller could have three or four rounds in the middle, Gerald Big Baby Miller.

I thought it was all over. I thought the Dubois journey was finished. And then he must have taken, what, 15 to 20? right hands from Philip Hergovich. If that had been stopped or... I mean, the referee did go over to see Don Charles in the call. We might speak to Don Charles in a minute. He's on the bus in, so he might grab Don Charles in.

I think the ref went over to speak to Don after about the third round to tell him, what's your man doing? He was just eating those right hands. And just quickly, the Jeremy Miller, obviously it was the last round stoppage. Eight seconds before the bell that stoppage. Eight seconds. That's how Daniel just wanted to get it out of the way. Darren, there was a really tricky tree coming here.

Oh, tricky tree. Dan's having the duck under it. The entire top decks ducking under it. I'll tell you it'd be right. I wouldn't have to duck. It's Barry Jones. Oh, there was no need for that. There was absolutely no need for that.

That's a proper branch that. Anyway, we're still on the bus. We're in James Street at the moment, which, of course, if you're familiar with it, it's got a lovely restaurant here. You know, when I was 18 years old, I was a postman, and my round. Go on son.

My round was around here. James Street was the last post. The flats at the end here were where I finished my round. No way. Careful, though. This is really big, this branch. Right, so we're ducking. Some Christopher's place on our left and restaurants over there.

Selfage is just to our right. People all around us. Trees landing on our head. And then, of course, the third fight in that series. By the way, I was talking to Daniel about that, and obviously he knew, and we all know. But those three fights we're talking about, they're in a 10-month period.

Heavyweight's in the last 30 years. They're not meant to fight. like 10 times in, three times in 10 months. That's just ridiculous. No, but he's a man that wants to be active, wants to be busy. And look, I think anyone knows, and you notice yourself being a boxing man, activity is so important for success. And he's proved that.

And I think there'll be a lot of fighters, certainly everywhere, thinking, do you know what, he's gone about things the right way there. Certainly the way that the first two sick fight went. There was a lot of question marks around his heart, etc. Well, you rubbish that by getting in the ring, getting busy, and racking up three impressive. Just getting it done, yeah. Exactly.

And shutting up all the critics completely, finally, totally and forever. Yeah, exactly that. So this man here at the front of the bus is full of confidence. And going back to that Miller, which you mentioned there, where it was the last round, that shows he carries his power late. All right. A lot of people saying, look, is Daniels de Bois's chance in this fight early? Well, no, it's not.

If he lands against, as you said there, an agent, Alexander. but Usick. It's a big if. Yeah, of course, a big if. There's a chance that you can win this fight at any stage of the contest. So we've got to go, we've all got to go downstairs now, Darren, for a second.

I'll tell what I do. We'll use this point here to hear from Daniel. I spoke to Daniel a bit earlier on, just before we got on the bus. Here I am with Daniel, talking in the lobby of one hotel before we got on the bus in another hotel. Daniel, thanks so much for your time.

Busy week. I appreciate every second I get with you. Really simple question. What do you have to do different? to win this time. I've got to win. Fire, fire, all bones away. Win by the means necessary.

I've just got to win. And that's the same attitude that you took into the Joshua fight. When I asked you the same question, then you just got to go in there. Yeah, same scenario, same repeat. Repeat the same thing again. It's the same with the event, Wembley,

going to have the same people there, so bring the same energy. If you think back to Poland two summers ago, Can you remember where you were in your head before that fight? And are you in the same place now? Are you in a different place now? No, I don't even think about that. I'm a new man now,

so it's going to be a new result, new different fighter. I'm going to break him up and bring them belts home. You are a totally different new man to that man. That man in Poland, to this man in this hotel here now, it's a different point. It's a different point. It's a big time, big time. And you know those three fights that you had,

you know, you know this, you were in them, obviously. 10 months they were, 10 months. Those three fights in 10 months. Quite incredible, eh? Makes you better, doesn't it? Makes you a better fighter. And the three biggest wins in boxing, I think. I'm ready now.

I'm ready for everyone. And when you look at Ousek, I know those two fights, he's had with Fury, 24 rounds, do you think he's getting older and slower or is he still as tricky as ever? What's your gut for him? Of course he's going to be what he is.

I've got to break him down, you know, throw all that out of the way. chaos in the ring and just tear him up. Because that was in some ways the success that Derek Del Boy Chazori in that first three rounds just getting on his chest as chaos in the ring. Yeah, chaos in the ring. That's my mentality and nothing's going to change

from that to the fight. So, Dan, can you imagine what it's going to be like? You've already had it with Anthony Joshua when you came out that night, you know? The crowd were there for Joshua at the start and were you at the end. What's it going to be like this time, Dan, when you walk out for the dressing room?

Yeah. What's it going to be like? Big time, mate. Big time, box here, I can't wait. How do you control, not your nerves? How do you control your emotions in a week like this? Where you're being pulled, left, right and centre? I'll just tell them to...

Yeah. And then, and then, I've never asked you this, Dan. What's your sort of fight-route, fight day routine? You've made the, you've weighed in the day before. You've had a meal with the team. So it's midnight the night before. What do you do between then and when you leave the dressing? Walk me.

through your day. Another day, man. I don't even like to overthink the thing. It's another day. Do what you have to do at home and then we're prepared for war. We've been preparing for war for months. So we're saying now. We can't. We're ready. And with someone like Usik, is it important to you to get a good look at him in Firewick, to look into his eyes, to get a sense of the man? Well, you don't bother about that. I don't bother about that. I'm on intimidating with my punches and my fists. And that's my, that's my ambition. That's what I'm. I want to do. So all of that stuff, yeah, if it helps, I'll think it's whatever, but it is what it is.

You just want to get on. You don't need to be pushing and shoving and glaring people backwards to you really. You're not a table throw, aren't you? Really. Might become one too. You're a punsterer. You never know. Listen, we could do it if we want.

All you want to do is just get there on Saturday night. Yeah. Get this week out of the way. Get the training came out of way and do the business. That's it. That's what we're here for. because it's been a pain in the bottom this year, isn't it really? Let's get it right with the Parker fight pulling through.

So it's overdue you get back in the rear. But we're here now, we're here to put everything right, and we're going to do that. And Danison, I don't like to look past fights, but all that stuff with Tyson Fury talking about coming back, and there are still some enormous fights out there. It's not a stadium big enough in the world. No, there isn't.

But yeah, let's get this one out of the way. Get this out of the way. Ted. It's good stuff, mate. So whilst we're listening to that, people got off the bus and took pictures of Daniel. Now we're just passing Marble Arts. There's the tent city in the middle over there.

We're going straight down Oxford Street. And Darren's still with me. Darren's been a bit of a convoluted around the houses conversation. Around the house is on the bus, to be perfectly honest with you. But we were talking, I think, it seems like a long time ago, about the difference in Daniel. This is a different man to the one we saw climb through the ropes that summer two years ago in Poland.

Much, much, much different man. Unrecognizable. Of course. I mean, that comes with maturity and it comes with, like we say, the performances and the victories that he's had of late. That's how you rubbish all the naysay say. That's how you rubbish any negative faults that you might be having personally. You've just got to rip up the script every now and again and prove yourself wrong. And he's done that.

And yeah, like I was saying before, I asked him, you know, was there any part of you that struggled with motivation getting back into the gym after knocking Andrew Joshua out in front of thousands in that fifth round, Wembley Stadium? He says, no, it just made me more hungry. So in answering one of the earlier questions that you said, this is a completely different, Daniel Dubois. With an Usick, there is 38 years old.

Father-time mates for no one. He's a special talent. He's a Harry Potter of boxing. He can stay smart and stay drinking, but, you know, You can't keep the speed all the time. You can't keep that ability to just miss shots by a fraction of centimeter. Like him and Lomachenko perfected during their brilliant early range as kids. Plus, if he's 308, he's been in a boxing year for 29 years.

29 years of punishment, 29 years of cameras, 29 years of punches. I asked him. I asked him. I said, his training getting Eniardo. He says, yes, sparring and getting up in the morning. And you would have found this as well, Steve. He's an open book, Usik. You know, like he doesn't, I think he's the master of mind games and mental warfare.

But I think he's not doing any. Exactly. He might even give you a full sense of security. But one thing's for sure, you know he's going to go in that ring as close to 100% as possible. And yeah, the man is a magician. He's special. He's, you know, one day in the next. And I think, you know, what happens with time is fighters, profiles and the way you remember them grows.

That's certainly what happened with Landoz Lewis. Darren is going to hold you for a second. Before we get slung downstairs and slunk with the bus, I'm going to bring in Don Charles, who's holding on like me at the front of the bus. So Don. You're not wrong. I've been in London for 50 years.

I've never experienced things. Say me, I've never been on a overtop bus either. Yeah, especially one without seats. Normally they've got seats. I'll tell you, you wouldn't do this after a long night out, would you? No, you wouldn't. Don't forget to leave.

The branches, you have to dodge. Which is not bad practice for Dan. It was bobbing and weak. I saw Darren, Daniel was really moving, but Darren Barker missed a big old branch. And I was about to say, watch it. And he had an instinct. He turned around, and he was in slow-mo. He just went underneath it.

He just went a fraction passes here. Saved by the belt. Save by his fighting instincts. Don, most of this theme and the conversation I had with Daniels, been on this man who he is now, the man that had those three sensational fights in the 10-month period where he was against the odds, if not the underdog. I mean, maybe not in your mind working in his corner, but generally those were sensations.

He's a different human being now. He's a different, he's not a boy anymore. He's a man, a grown man. He's matured in the last 24 months. He's had to. Yes. You know, he's had to. And in two years, he's grown in every sense, maturity, you know, age, technically,

physically, anything you could think of. You know, it's a really dramatic development in the last 24 months. And it's a confidence as well in there. That's the sort of stuff that you can't get from in the gym. It just has to settle on you. And it seems like the confidence is settled in it. He went into the Gerald Big Baby Miller fight with that confidence. Hurgovich with that confidence.

And of course, the last fight, last September, 100,000 of Wembley against Joshua. It's just that inbuilt confidence. He's, I mean, it sounds like a cliche. He's flying at the moment. Yeah, yeah. The momentum is with us. The momentum is with Daniel. Like you just said, is the confidence.

And every human being, we operate on confidence. and nothing changes on Saturday. He's going to capitalize on that. Don, do you sit back and watch the fight? I'm not going to talk about the fifth round and the blow, the low blow or legal blow, whatever, we're not going to talk about that. But if you sat back and watched that fight

and watched perhaps that Daniel could have won that fight, he had an opportunity to win that fight in that fifth round. There were still two and a half minutes left of that fifth round. I know it was after a four minute break, but it was still a long time left. Yeah, most definitely would have gone on. But you know what, Steve, like I said, my mindset right now is that we've come away from that. Brilliant.

That moment is what gave birth to this current fight. That's going to be on next question. Okay, go ahead. I jump the gun. No, no, no, that's absolutely it. Without that incident in the fifth, we wouldn't be looking forward to what we're looking forward to on Saturday. Exactly. Exactly.

So things in know me, I'm a firm believer in the universe, and that's how it's been written. And we're going to every member of the team, the fighter, the team, we're going to run. another pair of arms each to seize that moment. Yeah, and there is a sense, certainly, inside your camp, that you will be seizing that moment. Most definitely. We wouldn't be here. We wouldn't be on, definitely not on an open-top bus ride.

Klinging on for the life. Yeah, you usually do this after the event. We're doing it before. And after the event, we hope to also do this. And Don, getting Daniel back in the gym after the fight against Usset was one thing. people might think that that's obvious. Well, it's not obvious. I tell what isn't obvious.

Getting Daniel back in the gym and fired up after that Joshua win. Because he'd been on that summit, he'd been on that mountain. You were walking alongside him to the ring, 100,000 people and leaving the ring of 100,000 people cheering him on after such a thrilling and adrenaline-fueled fight.

And what was he like when he walked back in the gym then? Please don't tell me he was back in the Monday. I believe you, but it didn't come back to the gym. He didn't come back to the gym. It wasn't long. It was, no, it was three weeks later. He was straight back into the gym. Even when he went for a little break, he's too trained out there.

He kept a certain level of fitness up while he's that. He's a very disciplined individual, Dan. And have you noticed since the Joshua fight, something different in Daniel? Even more, not swag, that's selling him sure, but just more, well, use the word again, confidence. Yeah, it's all based around confidence. It's a human being.

And when things are happening to you, a young man, remember when he first fought, he was 25 years old. He's now 27 years old. And he's just grown in every... sense, you know, and like I said, the confidence is rocket high, but he's got some stable people around him. We're not getting carried away because that's what happens. If you take your eye off the ball, then, you know, that confidence is taken away. And finally, Ussick has those two wins over Anthony Joshua, has those two wins over Tyson Fury. Undeat, undisputed champion,

both at cruise weight and both at heavyweight, but he is 38. He has been in boxing nearly 30 years of his life. Surely there comes a moment. I'm not saying your banking or not or relying on it. When he has to start showing signs of being an old man.

I don't just mean grey hair. You know what I mean. He's only human, though. Absolutely. I've always maintained that. A man that breathes oxygen and blaze red blood

is just like you and die. Absolutely. So there comes a time and it's up to us. It's up to young Daniel to then force him to age on that night. Force him to become an old man?

Yes, on that night. During the high back, long the fight. last. Last September, you and I stood in the field looking over London at your training camp, we're calling over the horses. Now we're on an open-top bus driving through London. It's all a bit surreal this boxing business, isn't it? It's a bit crazy, isn't it? Yeah, it is. I mean, I still feel like I'm in a dream and long made this dream continue. It's such a beautiful dream. You know what, I'm with you in that dream, Don. It's been a pleasure talking to you. Not just

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trucks are right there with you. Click to learn more. Chevrolet, together let's drive. Don Charles there, just reiterating that whole thing about confidence. You know, you can do as many runs and as many sparring sessions as you want. But unless you've got the confidence, you can't put into practice. And that confidence is not just grown, it's just become the standard. That's what Daniel is now. Let's give a shout out to Don, as well, what he's done for Daniel de Bois. He has to take a lot of credit for the way he's turned him around. He's a great man, he's a great coach, so I'm really pleased for him. You know, when I'm looking at Daniel today, I think he's ready to fight.

He said to me, people losing their heads to the branches and their hats to the wind. When I was talking to Daniel today, and it's a Monday of the week, okay, I'm a bit confused. Obviously, you and I've been in New York or we can only land this morning. I'm always confused. Yeah, no, no, join the club, yeah. Obviously, you made your classic Barry Jones joke. hours ago, that's going to get some serious replay. Is there a danger, Darren, of Daniel being pulled a few, too many places this week?

He's in demand, he's on an open top bus. It's only Monday. We've got Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. What's your gut feeling? Perhaps I would... In the modern era, it's ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. Well, perhaps I would have said that before the first one, but he's experienced it so many times now, hasn't he?

In Saudi, you know, it's... It's not new to him now. He understands, this is a big part of it. He doesn't like it, but he understands it. And that comes with experience, not just fighting in the ring, but being able to manage yourself outside of it. How do you think you would have cope with that?

Let's say you're winning the world title in that unbelievable day, night in Atlantic City against Gill. How do you think you would have coped if on the Monday you'd have had a seven-hour media day, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday? How do you think you would have dealt with it? I know you had commitments that week, but not the type of what I call Saudi commitments at the moment.

It's a six-day week in club the fight. How do you would have dealt? I would have been very hungover as well prior to Monday. But I think back then you understand that you're in demand, and this is part and parcel of it. Look, it does get a bit tedious. I can't. I can only imagine because it was never the case for me.

It's a privilege as well, isn't it? Exactly that, Steve. It's a privilege, you know, for all there's. attention means you're doing something remarkably well in the ring. So as much as it is a bit of a pain in the back side, I'm sure really and truly, he can sit back and well, I'm doing this because I've been so successful. And that's a buzz. But he would have dreamt to this once upon its side.

Well, you know what? He might have dreamt about it. He might have dreamt about it all the way through his amateur days and to start of his pro career. But he maybe was having nightmares after the Joe Joyce loss. And then after that loss in Poland, because, you know, I talked to Frank Warren in September, of 2023. And he told me, we did a, we did a pod,

a show, a program from his garden. And he told me that, you know, I'm going to have to have a really serious chat with him. And I asked him last week, you're going to hear it later this week, the interview I did with Frank Warren. And where he said, you know, no, we sat down. It was a heart to heart, Daniel and I, you know, because, you know, basically everyone wanted to know.

What we all wanted to know is, did he want to be, he still want to be a fighter, a contender, a champion. I mean, let's get it right. It was, and I think, and I think those words, I think you can use, harsh words like that, I really do. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it might sound really harsh now, considering his position he's in,

but that's just how I feel. You know, that's what it was like after that fight against Luzzi. Steve, do you know what? I think he's a great example for fighters out there, professionals that lose and get disheartened and think, oh, that's my career over. Look at Daniel Zubois. Look at Daniel Zabwe.

Look at where he was on the brink of many thinking that is it. There is no coming back from. And then the second time, albeit how great Usik is, to losing the manner in which he did, you're thinking, well, that's it, that's curtains. But he's rebuilt. And as we said before, it's the string of victories that you can put together.

Three and ten months, is how you rubbish the doubters, how you rubbish the negative faults in your own mind. And, yeah, any young fighter out there who suffered of the defeat, have a look at Daniel Dubois. Look at what he's done and where he is now. Now, I've got Richard Woodall coming in later in a week to talk. tactics and I've got, no doubt I'll have Barry Jones coming in, he'll be very upset

and angry at your quip earlier on, your highest quip, which by the way, the entire top level of the bus rolled up, just bod the security guy, he's been on duty with Oasis for the last 10 days, he was, everyone was cracking up at that. About time I've got Barry back. He's always giving it to me. No, no

fairness, he does always give it to you. You're absolutely right. So I've got, they'll no doubt talk through stuff, but is it as simple the fight? Ding, ding, first round, 100,000 people, 10.30 at night on Saturday, hopefully a glorious balmy night. Is it as simple as Daniel

leading with a big jab that pulverizing jab who's got, bringing over right hands, clubbing away at Usik's body. Is it that simple? Just straight forward pressure. Could it be that simple? It's never that simple

when you're fighting someone like Alexander Usik. But I think the game plan will be for Daniel Dubois to be very aggressive, not reckless, but aggressive. Be busy with the jab, one of the best jabs in the heavyweight division. punches with both hands. The feet are underrated at Daniels-Buyang.

He's going to have to rely on them because the footwork of Alexander Usik is unrivaled really. So he's going to have to cut off the ring. He's got to be dominant on the front foot. And he's got to let his hands go. And when I spoke to him in there about an hour ago, he said he's got to do what he didn't do last time.

And that's let his hands go. Get busy. Show why he's the bigger puncher in there. And for Usik, it's about doing what you do. you know, mesmerising your opponents, mesmerising the fans, mesmerising the commentators and getting the job done.

I tell what, Darren, what two weeks we've had? No, really, we'll look back. I know we've had some great weeks and two weeks, and I've done Olympics, I'm not making you feel envious, they're unbelievable, and I've done Commonwealth games. You were actually in the ring

winning a gold medal for Galtakes, so you know about that. I'll give it up £20 later. Yeah, no, that's the fact of me, I feel it's only a tenor, there you go. Anyway, but quite seriously, what are two weeks you and I will have had at midnight on Saturday,

We can look back on two truly remarkable weeks. Darren, listen, it's been a pleasure and a delight talking to you. I'll see you throughout the week. So that was it. The open top busers park back by the BBC. Everyone's evacuated. Darren and I, the last two to leave. It's the start of a big week.

This week we'll hear from Frank Warren. We'll hear from Barry Jones and I as we sit down and watch back the fight. Plus, we'll pick up voices throughout the week. That's a polite way of saying. We're not absolutely sure what voices we're going to be delivering, but we will be delivering Alexander Usick. We'll have some live radio. We'll be all over breakfast.

We'll be all over drive. We'll be all over everything. It's a massive fight. Daniel Dubois, Alexander Usick, all four belts, the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. I'm Steve Bunce, and this has been a very, very entertaining,

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