5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - When a Rhino attacks a Bull

Episode Date: May 18, 2025

Barry Jones joins Buncey to dissect Dave Allen’s TKO win over Johnny Fisher. Along the way they hear from Allen himself, plus his trainer Jamie Moore and promoter Eddie Hearn. Plus British heavyweight champion David Adeleye shares his views on the fight and tells us what might be next for him. And Dave Allen's girlfriend makes a cameo appearance on the pod!

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between Johnny Fisher and Dave Allen. Well, at the copper box on Saturday night, the fifth round was quite legendary, quite epic and quite brutal. Dave Allen dropped and stopped Johnny Fisher. That's how the fight ended. It was a memorable night, an unforgettable night, a heavyweight night in East London.

I'm Steve Bunth, and this is Five Live Boxing. And we expected it to be special, and it was special. The atmosphere was ridiculous. Sometimes people rate atmospheres and they talk about the atmosphere being memorable. Well, tonight was memorable. It was a mixture of classic tunes,

but it was the entries. And I took my headset off to hear it, to listen to it, to get it, and it was truly sensational. For both of them, by the way, not just for one of them, for apps, for both of them. And then the fight started.

First couple of rounds were a little bit slow and then it really took off. And I'm with Barry. I haven't actually spoken to him yet about the fight. Barry, let's go straight to the finish. We're in the fifth round. Let's go straight to that finish because that was savage heavyweight finishing by Dave Allen. You know, I said in the broadcast, I said, that fifth round is how he should box the rest of his career.

And I agree, how he should have boxed all of his career before that. He would have retired by now as a multi-champion. Oh, mate, well, I mean, he was, it was almost Blasey. He went in with like a disdain, like I just got, I've had enough now, I've just got to batter him. He didn't miss him a shot in the fifth round. But he didn't rush it. He just walked in. He was all, I mean, when he knocked him,

before he knocked him down, he was fantastic. The approach, he just, he looks like he's swinging the shots like, like, a bit wild. Wow, but it's not, no, no. Turns his body, every punch. He's looking for the tag for he hit you.

And then, but then when he knocked him down the first time, he walked through the corner. He's in the corner. There's no expression on his face. He's not breathing heavy. He's not breathing heavy, no expression on his face. Forget all the stuff about his big belly and he's not really trained.

Oh, no, but you can get caught up in the emotion. Yeah, I don't know much about this, but when you got a guy hurt, you can get a cat away with the emotion and you see fights so often, they'll punch over the top or get people who hold on and rest. Swinging wild trying too hard. Yeah, even when they get the finish, it's not always clean. He was just like, I got you what I want you, I expected this, it's just going to do the job. And that's years of experience, you can't play.

And that's all those fights. Just let's look at all the losses, all those hard losses on the road against good fight. And that's weird. But they also had good fights that he won as well, remember. Oh, I'll tell you what though, Steve. Let's be honest, I think the whole story about Dave Allen, which is a fantastic story, but it's not a unique story.

I think everyone gets to be carried away with storytelling. And no offense, because you're the best storyteller we have in our sport. Thank you, darling. You are actually, clearly, even the most of them are made up. Thank you, darling. Most of them made up, though. No, but I mean...

Still stories? You didn't say true stories. I never said true stories. I just said there's stories. You may have some stories about me as well, which I've been... You're lovely stories. No, they love them.

But the thing is that, like, that his story is not unique. Yeah, good point. about this, you know, never had the rubber the green. And I don't, I understand that. And they come from bad areas. So many fights come from bad areas. But he's had opportunities in the past.

Absolutely. And he's either underperformed, under-trained, or just, you know, and just didn't get over the line. It's his fault by his own admission. We've all been there at some level. I mean, and but also, redemption is a great story. You know, coming back from losses, showing it's never too late.

All these things are great. And he's the poster boy for that. Is he ever? And so. I was never like, oh, he deserves this. You deserve what you earn, what you work for, I think. And he's worked for that. I mean, he didn't look in better shape, he's coming better shape, more motivated,

realizing this might be genuinely my last chance to lose, even in that division. And also perhaps realizing a win here, and especially a big win, doesn't, it really opens up possibilities. But also, he's realistic, saying, you know, this is not, this doesn't put me in the window for World Title shots. Absolutely. Though he won an international, he won an international title,

he won an international title just listening to Darren Barker there. Just an international title saying, you know, which will give him a rating, but he's realistic. No, he's nowhere near world level. Yeah, forget that, yeah. Yes, or ever. Yeah. But that, a British title shot.

Which he always says. And you had a guy, you know, you've had a guy with you all night. It was a lovely talk, a lovely guy, and a good fight. Big David, yeah. You could match them to tomorrow. Yeah. And that would be a really good fight. Dave would have it.

Jamie KTV, TKV, sorry. No, that's a good fight. There's a good fight. There's a lot of fights. There's lots of fights for him. I know, I know, he's already beat for it. He's got beat by Fraser Clark, but he's a different fight to know,

isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of a sudden. He omitted in that fight against Fraser Clark when Dave Allen thought they, he actually admitted that he swallowed it,

that he just quit. The fourth round tonight was when I think the fight changed because we had the first couple of rounds where Dave Allen, sorry, where Dave Allen's plodding around, not doing it much, but he's setting up and he's moving his feet

and he's starting to make Johnny Fisher work. In the fourth round, Johnny Fisher wins the round clearly, but he is made to work at a hundred miles an hour. And that was absolute, I thought that was brilliant. And I was saying, that he's going to get tired, Fisher,

but the important thing is, and learning from the fight before, that when you get tired, you don't leave your chin in the air, and you don't lose your shape. And you don't show it. You try not to show it. Yeah, and what she did in the first fight.

So he had to work hard, but he was doing the right things, Fisher. And he wasn't loading up, and he looked like he looked like he was doing okay. And I don't like this, I'm not a fan of the approach of just making someone work hard and lose rounds on purpose, or don't care that we're winning rounds.

Ouzick might lose a few rounds, but it's a cruiserweight, but he'd make you work harder, and he would win most of the rounds to make him extremely close if he didn't win him. But you have to be brilliant to do that. But Dave Allen knew what he...

The thing is, Dave Allen knew what Fisher had to offer. He knew about his power. He wasn't scared of it. He wasn't really worried about it. He was aware of it, but he never really deterred him. But then he started walking in straight lines a little bit of times I thought Dave Allen. Throwing that overhand right early in the fight was clever.

Because what that did, that put Fisher on notice. Straight away. You haven't got to hit a bit. We say it all the time to me about people like Golofkin or Canelo, another one. Has it got to be a knockout punch? No, they throw a big shot early, hit you anywhere from your head to your toe. Doesn't matter where they hit you. You've got to feel, if you've got power, make them feel it early.

Because once you feel it early, you're well aware. If you make a mistake, that's what's coming your way. NAS would do it, wouldn't he? It's a massive stupid uppercut. It doesn't matter where it was, anywhere on your body. Just you feel it and you go, whoa, if I've got to be careful. I'm aware of that. And Johnny definitely did that in that first round.

And it puts an extra little thought in your brain. That slightly slows you, you, down. And I think, so he threw that right hand, not to hit you, just to make you aware of what happens if you make a mistake. And I made Fisher more retreat. I made Fisher move his feet more. And when you went, you had a big massive lump like he is, even though he was moving nice, moving your feet and moving that big heavy body around, when you're not used to doing it on your toes like some other fighters are, could empty your tank very quickly. Yeah. And we saw that. The fight officially finished, just as the bell sounded really at the end of the fifth round,

Johnny on the floor, the oxygen came in, but it was all a bit about it. He was perfectly fine, got up in the head. Steve, that uppercut was a beautiful... The left hook, sorry. The left hook. Have you watched it in slow-mo to fire a left-up? And he's gone and he's in his body sags. And just catching a little uppercut on the way down as well. I mean, that's

what, that type of finishing was quite incredible. Now, I didn't speak to Johnny Fisher, and I've made a decision not to speak to Johnny Fisher. I'm not going to go and track down Johnny Fisher because, as I was reminded tonight, as I was reminded tonight by Connor Ben, when I spoke to him in the tunnel

after he's lost to you back. He was a bit vulnerable when I had him crying. He said, I was a bit vulnerable then, Bunsey. So I'm going to let Johnny Fisher alone. Just got left Lee Wood alone last week. But I did get in the ring at the end and speak to a truly ecstatic and jubilant. Well, by his standards, Dave Allen. He went perfectly to plan. I don't get super fit. I don't get super mussely. I just do enough at this point. Now, I know what I'm doing. I'm not fancy. I'm not fast. I'm tough and hard and strong and can punch a little bit and I get out of the way for a bit and I just do what I do. So I'm not special but at a certain level like tonight I can do the job.

Did you sense in the fourth round when he was working having to work so hard just to stay in it? Could you sense you sense you were getting to him, Dave? I knew what week I were going to win. It's too early for him. I've been doing this forever. He just weren't ready. He were knacking after two rounds and the occasion got to him and I knew I were fit enough. I've done just enough this camp. I realize now sometimes I've done nothing, sometimes I've done too much. I'm just getting it right now with Jamie and Nisery, getting it right,

and we'll see what happens. Dave, what might you want? I want to let you go off and celebrate everybody. What would you like, what might you like, Dave now? Pardon? What would you like now? What would Dave Allen like now? I might go back local

and give all the kids in Doncaster a big show. That's what I would like. And speak to Eddie and say, give me the seven slots on the card. I will fill them with my friends. That's what I would like, and then go and fill it. Dave, I'm going to put the head to turn

on you because I've got your girlfriend on the line so you'll be out of talk. Hello, we've got an unsweet, baby. That's what it was all about. All about that unsweet. He's had a few beers, I think. Yeah, can hear, yeah. Glad anyway.

Thank you. Bye there. Stay in a bit. Dave, thank you so much for your time. So, Barry, a brutally honest, as you'd expect, from Dave Allen there, talking about where he is and what he can realistically

do. What would you like to see Dave Allen do? What would you like to do? Well, I think, I think, Foxing for the British Titan, though, is a realistic goal for him, I think. And like I mentioned before, there's Jamie TKV and there's also, you know,

David Adelaide and Fraser Clark rematch. You know, that would be a, I know you could sell that fight better now. Absolutely. So there's good fights out there for them. I think, though, that's, being realistic about your level is one thing. That's important. But also, you know,

I'm trying to work here. I got all these people. Jack, see it soon. We'll go outdoor swimming soon. Listen, Jack Cattle's just come back. His fight was announced with Harlem U-Bage and like.

First of all, let's think. Forget the Harlem Ump. You're absolutely right. You and I, now that the weather's good, I'll come up to the peak and we'll go for some pot where outdoor swimming. Every day, we're on it. Eccleston Delft, just outside of Charlie

whenever you're ready. Because I'll do it because I'll let you know after we made that pod together where I told people... I've still got your wetsuit. Of course, listen, I told people when I went open swimming they think I'm kidding.

Of course I've been, no disrespect, Jack. I'm more experienced that open swimming than you. Listen, I don't doubt it. So we'll try it together. Wednesday, 6am. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Steve, Steve, Steve, the only wester you've had, right?

It's 3 o'clock in the morning coming up on in Nyclough when you wait yourself. Well, there's no need for that, Barry Jones. Right, Jack, I'll let you go. I speak to you before. I will come to swim with you, and congratulations on the Harlem Ubank fight. I think it's a really entertaining fight.

Brilliant. Jack, catch all there. All right, let's a little, let's, let's, Let's go back to talking there. That's okay. I can't know what I say now. Paddy will leave that in and we'll work that in. Do work your magic on that.

Jack Cattle's gone off with Sam Jones to get in his car and go home. Anyway, Steve, no, we got rid of those people, Jack Catchell and Sam Jones. Now, I think, you know, Boxing of a British start is realistic, I think. No, no. Those fighters I've already named, they're good names for it. They'll be good fights to watch, and he seems revigured. And I think if he can keep the same motivation, obviously he's had natural ability

but that's not it's funny about ability because ability is the the X factor of ingredients without it you don't make it but it's the smallest piece to become a box of a champion people make that mistake

I mean dedication application all those things that he's lacked though they're the bigger factors they're the bigger ingredients of the cake to make a champion but without that little special spice of talent you don't make it but you need all

all the others more than that. It's a weird thing it is, but that's what it is. And luck's the biggest factor, and he's had a bit of luck on his side as well. Listen, he was without it. Now, Dave Allen has been on and off with Jamie Moore for an awful long time. Jamie Moore's been unbelievably confident all,

absolutely all week. He's talked to me about how to fight would end, and I've got to tell you, it was basically how it ended. And you know what? Sometimes we give coaches a bit of stick if things go absolutely wrong, but we sometimes need to praise them when things go absolutely right.

Here's Jamie Moore with me and the rest. ring. At the end of the fourth round, I said to him, we're in exactly the same position as we was in Saudi, but better because you've had more success. I said, now keep walking on him, keep forcing the energy out of him, and you haven't threw a straight one too yet, which we've worked on our camp. Do me a favor, throw at least one. And that was what started the ball rolling to get him to get him where he got to. And as soon as he did, this time, he had the gears to finish off, which he did it have last time. And that fourth round, when he made Johnny, Johnny won the round, but he made him work so hard just to be in the ring.

That was skill, that was class. So going out for the fourth, I said to him, everything's okay. You're bulletproof in terms of your defense. But every time he walks, walk on him quicker. Make force more. Make him work. Yeah, I don't care if he win the round

as long as he's knackered by the time he's going to the corner. And do you know what, Buncie it worth a treat? It almost did, to be honest. If you'd have written down to me how this fight was going to go and put it in my pocket, it probably would have been the exact way. because the final shot after the second knockdown, that was a sickening knockdown. Dave's a savage finisher.

He certainly is when he's got gays and in the past, he's only had one or two phases like that in a fight and then he's finished to the rest of the fight. This time, he had gays to be able to go through it and if that had gone another three or four rounds, it'd have been okay. I'm so proud of him,

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we're bringing world-class education from our globally acclaimed faculty to you. Earn your degree from the nation's most innovative university. Online. That's a degree better. Learn more at ASUonline.asu.org. So Jamie Moore, there making an awful lot of sense, and I think that's absolutely right,

that comment he made, that in RIA, Dave Allen perhaps didn't have enough confidence in his tank to finish it, but he certainly did tonight. And he almost didn't break his step as he finished it tonight. It was incredible. Which makes that comment sort of agreeable, but also perplexing because something. I thought it was a big word, yeah, I don't know what they mean.

Isn't that Dave Allen's career perplexing? It is a conflict. What I mean is that he didn't have the confidence in his tank, but then he didn't rush his work there. He didn't go all out like a lunatic. No, so he didn't think... But he didn't miss of a punch, Barry, either. But also, he took his time, like a man who didn't have to worry about his tank,

because he took his time. He was accurate with every shot. He was even moving, he was engineering his body on the target to make space for the right shot. I mean, it was, I remember saying... On the comments, it was clinical and ruthless, that was. I used both those. Did you hear me use them earlier on?

I used them probably around before. You probably heard me using them. People know there's a delay in radio. She had always the second behind us. but also also like quite chilling the lack of expression on his face that he just like it's just no emotion

that's an interesting thing there I don't know if you noticed it but did you see that throughout the fight any time the referee said break or spoke to any of them or anything Dave Allen never took his eyes I'm moving around you now to show he moved around so he could be seen

and he would always glare at Johnny Fisher he never took his eyes off Johnny Fisher for one second that that fight lasted First thing, don't point in me like that again. No, no, no. I saw a little change in his eyes. I saw a little change in Barry's eyes there. I got my cousin, Mikey, he's massive.

You'll eat you. You're hungry, Mike? You know, I like going outside in the fresh air. I mean, all fairness, we can count on our hands the times in the last seven years. We've done a pod outdoors, apart from him in Riyadh. It's always too cold. Barry, I'll come back to you in a second, but I want to also hear from Eddie Hearn. I've grabbed the hold of Eddie in the ring.

By the way, I have no idea where Eddie's been this week. I have no idea. One day he's on the pitch walking around in Suffolk. The next day he's in New York. I have no idea if he's had a pit stop in the middle. Meanwhile, I did get up in the ring and did speak to Eddie Hearn. I think he doesn't really realize how good he is. You know, like all of the experience he's had,

Louis Ortiz, Dillian White, David Price, you know, and he's still probably only training at about 50 or 60%. Tonight was just the difference was just experience. And Ringcroft, you know, Johnny Fisher was winning. He was well in front, but it was like a matter of time. He was like wearing him down at the size of Dave Allen, just leaning on you. And, you know, just knew too much, knew too much. And listen, got it for Johnny and if anyone was going to break his heart,

I'm glad it's Dave Allen, because what a story. And the future is going to be exciting. We'll see what's next. In all fairness, you know, a little bit of praise for Johnny. Got up from the first knockdown. He was trying to get up from the second knockdown. So he did try his bit. But in that fourth round, Johnny was, he won the round clearly, but he was having to work so hard.

hard. It was like he was running in treas. That's what Dave does is he uses his size, he walks you down, he takes the middle of the ring. And Johnny's tactics, you know, boxing off the back foot tonight, off the jab. He was winning the rounds, but he was getting pushed back a lot, you know, and I wanted to see him actually try and keep Dave Allen a bit more honest. But once you do that, you're throwing shots, you're low enough, exactly, and then that's what happened in the fourth round. And Dave is fitter now, you know, still got a long way to go. But, you know, he's got a future. And listen, everybody loves him. The story's incredible. He's talked to me earlier in week, Dave, about a trilogy.

When I win, I'll have a trilogy. I know it's really early. But as you say, Johnny has got some fights in him, because there's no shortage people want to fight him now. He's a young man with very little professional experience, yet having to come out in a cauldron like this and have a fight in front of the world. So Johnny's got a big future. I think it was

brave and probably sensible doing a rematch. The trilogy, which is contracted, I think can wait. For me, I think Johnny's got to have a rest and come back and just learn his craft a little bit more. You're up against the heavyweight. I don't know how many fights. He's had over 30 fights at the very highest of levels.

And he just do too much. And, you know, Dave will be around for the trilogy, but we'll see what we're going to do with him there. It's going to be interesting. And like I said, great character, great personality. And if he can just continue to work hard with Jamie Moore and Nigel Travis, he's got a big future. And, Ed, could I just say, I'm not going to go for a shopping list of things.

We're only in May. We're only in May. If this was December, we could look back on a year already. What a year it's been already? Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And I don't know. I didn't know it was May.

You don't even know where you are. All I know is boxing is normally on a Saturday, so it must be Saturday. But we're flying, and that was unbelievable that atmosphere tonight. Stag-up. Gutted for Johnny, but very pleased with Dave Allen. Huge win.

So lots of stuff from Eddie there, but the main takeaway from that, I think, was that it was a brave move to do the rematch by I understand why Johnny wanted it, but the trilogy's on hold. Yeah, I don't see the need for the trilogy. I know it's one a piece, so you can always sell it that way.

But when there's a conclusive finish like that, I don't really see I think can I think Dave Allen wants to move up now and there's a little there's not a massive rebuild because you know

there's an argument there on his record it's won a piece but really it's 2-0 to Alan yeah if you look at out yeah by the way

the first fight was a close fight yeah yeah yeah it was a one point but a close fight that I thought was easy to score with Alan just nick in it so

I don't really see there's a need for a rematch when there's a clinical knockout like that or maybe even the want for the rematch I mean I think

I think Fisher will still sell tickets. I don't think they'll leave him tomorrow. They won't deserve him. So, you know, and for where he's become, the last few fights before the Allen fight, there's been a massive improvement from Johnny Fisher, and you've starting to get it. But, you know, there are limitations

as to what people can do. Not every guy's going to be a world champion or woman's going to be a world champion. So you have to take your expectations. He's a ticket seller, he's a heavyweight. He's good enough to maybe box for a British title with a bit more... Oh, I think so, yeah.

It would have been more help and rounding off for some of the edges. Well, you don't know who you could box for the British title. Who's around at that time? I mean, if he ends up fighting Jamie T.V.K. Yeah. And if, if Adelaide vacates because there's an awful lot out there. But he's an underdog in that fight, Steve, as well.

I think you'd have to, I think so. I mean, just see the way Jamie performed against David Adelae. So, you know, but on his given night, he gives him a tough fight. Because he's big and he's powerful and he's committed. But, you know, there's no rush for him either. I mean, he's a novice of the sport. Not professional, just the sport in general. So you've got plenty of time, I would think.

But, I mean, that's why the rematch for me is forget about it. Alan wants to move on the bigger, better things, and then see where he goes. I'm going to speak to David, we're going to hear from... Sorry, we're going to hear from David Adelaire in a moment. But I want to ask you, Barry, because you've probably done your time now. You've probably to go and jump in a luxury cab

to take you back to your house in the country. Helicopter pad and stuff, yeah. Caps are so in 2020. No, no, yeah. I've still got an iPhone too. It's all right even when I didn't make it home. I've still got last week from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, last week just to let people know, and I couldn't say this on the pod, but Barry had a problem with his car. It was the diesel particular filter, and I had to drive home in limp mode. Yeah, the diesel particular filter gone kapoor. Blot.

The highest speed he could go was about 40-something or other. If you went up here, we went down to about 27, so coming on off a motorways. So Barry, on a two-hour journey, It took about six and a half hours. Barry got stopped by the place. Who wondered why this going to stop? That sounds like a health hour.

I could go 60, but up the hill I'd only go 40. And then I got pulled over. I phoned the AA. And then they said they were going to be like an hour, one to two hours. I waited for half an hour. I was 36 miles from home and I went, oh, I could jog that.

I'm going to do it. And then I turned my phone off when I got home. And then when I turned it back on, I got a phone call like half six. The AA looking for you? Yeah, they couldn't find me. Yeah. I had about six

so I said no Listen I'll ask you a quick question Before the helicopter Still waiting for me I want to ask you a quick question Before I do let you go It was an amazing event tonight 7,000 in a copper box

I never thought I'd see the copper box Heaving like I saw it tonight I've never seen it like that Can I just say one thing The Fisher fans are amazing They are stunning When they're loud They were cheering

Dave Allen At the end of the night I mean So I said one thing So So Pat Brown The strongest man on the planet By the way

Picks up Dave Allen I'm on his shoulders, weigh himself. But only once Fisher had left the ring. Do you notice that? Dave Allen did not celebrate until Fisher had left the ring. So he's picked him up, and I said, I got a few things to say on the broadcast. I said, one, these are Fisher fans cheering him Dave Allen. Oh, great is that.

Two, Dave Allen, Dave Allen has derailed Fisher's career. And he's also derailed Pat Brown's career by breaking his back. It's a good lie. Anyway, I did quite with David Adelae, because David Adelae is kind of at the center of a lot of what happened tonight. but of course David's his own man. Now, anyone that's listened to this pod for the last four or five years when I've got a soft spot for David Adelaide.

I love Labrude Grove. It's kind of my spiritual home in London. And I like David Adelaide. Here I have. I have a chat with David Adelaide. I will say in advance, the man had on a pair of shorts and a white string vest.

You've got to love a British champion that comes out in a white string vest. Get in there, my son. Here I am with David Adelaide. What happened? I'm not really surprised if I'm honest, but it was a good fight for the public. Good finish.

It was a good finish. And it was a mature performance from Dave Allen, if I'm honest. Yeah. I think Johnny was a bit too timid going into that fight, and it didn't work in his favour. You know, and I thought the finishing was vicious. They've got to ask you where you stand with your situation. Your last fight, you won it, but there was a complaint.

The border control held up the complaint. They didn't call the fight a no contest, but they ordered a rematch. He went to purse bids last week, and that was won by your promoter, Frank Warren, with his bid. And so in theory, you would be fighting... Jamie again, in theory. Is that a fight you want to go through with? Look, I'm a fighting man

and I'm ready to fight anybody. You know, look at me, Steve. Yeah, I know. I'm big, strong and sturdy. You know, I stay in the gym. So in all fairness, if you're like the rest of us in jackets in the cold, we wouldn't know, would you?

But you've come out in a white vest. Yeah, exactly, exactly. No, I mean, look, I think for me, I just do whatever my promotion, my management telling me, I'm ready to fight. If I'm being honest with you, I don't think that Jamie fight is fan-friendly.

I think he's not, he ain't got that sort of style. I mean, look at me. And you do have that style. And I definitely do have that style. And as a heavyweight. I'm here to deliver knockouts. But if Jamie is next, I can guarantee you that second fight is going to be shorter than the first one.

Dave, the heavyweight division, our heavyweight division, the British Heavyweight division, our 10, 12 fights, including Johnny Fisher and including Dave Allen. You're massively in the mix. What a time. I know this sounds like a joke. What a time to be a heavyweight. You've got three years of fights.

Yes. You're not losing and I'm being honest. You know, we're all big boys. I mean, look, Johnny, look at, no, Johnny just came off a loss, you know, performance before that wasn't too good, but they still fights out there for him. Yeah.

Um, now that I'm thinking about, you know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see Johnny Fisher if he's 3 o'clock. That'll be a good fight. Yeah. Two guys that have lost and they can come back. Exactly. Come back, kind of get their way back up there.

But, um, look, like you said, man, there's so many heavy ways to choose from. It's interesting. Yeah, it is. It is a real pleasure at night because it was also good that you didn't have massive beef of any of the people so we could sit in using everyone was on good behaviour at night

and everyone was on very good behaviour at night yeah yeah exactly Dave thanks very much for your time was a pleasure never a choice Steve so David Adelaide there whether he does take whether he does get that rematch or whether he does go on to things he is an exciting heavy way if you've not seen David Adela have a little search and however you rewatch

fights he gives he takes he's got a couple of bits of unfinished business he he desperately wants Fabio Wardley at some point in a rematch hey-ho stranger things have happened. Derek Dilboy Chazore and his cowboy hat has just wandered off. It's all happening here and it's a lovely night.

Barry, listen, before I let you go and before I really let you go, next week in Glasgow, you're going to Glasgow, aren't you? For Josh Taylor moving up in wait, fighting Echo Esseman, one of the most decent human beings out there. He's also not from a bad city, to be perfectly honest with you.

Echo Esseman against Josh Taylor, I think it's a hard fight for Josh Taylor. I'm delighted he's taking a hard fight on the move up. The reality of it is, if he can't beat Deco Eserman, who's a good fighter by the... Which sounds harsh, yeah. It was a good fighter, but just trying to be realistic.

Yes. Then his aspirations of winning a world title at the Wattleway Division are going to disappear. Absolutely. But it's still a hard fight for him. I think just stylistically where he is now. So we're all thinking, and this is disrespect for the Westman,

but the truth is, because Taylor's been up here, we're all thinking what has he got left. If he doesn't have, if he doesn't have 70% of what he used to have, then Esseman, with his commitment and his engine, it's a hard night for Josh Taylor. But if Josh Taylor, because Josh Taylor, box is better. He's at his best when he's at his fire. When punches are flying over his head.

And no, he doesn't like, when he starts, when he wants to try and box you, like he did with Jack Hatcher in the first fight, then he's not at his best. When he goes at you with that commitment, the risk of getting knocked out, he thinks better than danger he reacts better than danger

but it's like his life but it's hard to fight like that for the long period of your life see of your career so fighters like that are usually decline quicker than any other fighter usually not always but usually so

what has he got left and he won't know because in training it's not it's intense but not quite as intense it's all great because when I say about box of chins go in

it's usually to do with the I think it's not the the resistance to the chin they see the punches too late and then they can can either slip them or you tense up and absorb them. You don't move far enough away. You see them too late and then they see,

it's almost like getting kicked with punches you don't see. And I wonder whether that, if, if Taylor would be similar for Taylor. He needs to see, his vision needs to be perfect the box where he fights. And if that's that into Wayne, it's a very hard, nice field. Esmer's not the biggest puncher.

Doesn't matter. They still catch you and they still hurt you. You gotta make Taylor the favorites. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an intriguing fight. So that's Barry, that's the fight summed up. That's the night summed up. And the last words on this,

pod have to be left to a woman that Alice Scarf, who was doing all of our interviews in the ring, she went and found Dave Allen's girlfriend. And the only way to finish this pod, obviously, I'm Steve Bunsen, this has been Five Live Boxing, but the only way to finish this special show is the exchange between Dave Allen and his girlfriend. Hello, we've got an unsweet, baby. That's what it was all about to do, Dennis. All about that unsweet. Yeah.

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