60 Minutes - 09/15/2024: The Prosecution of January 6th, Danger in the South China Sea, Dua Lipa

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

As the FBI continues to search for suspects in the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol, Scott Pelley meets with some of the people at the center of the story, including the prosecutor in charge. It’s not just Taiwan anymore. Tensions have escalated in another part of the South China Sea off the western coast of the Philippines, raising the possibility of a conflict between the U.S. and China. Cecilia Vega reports. Dua Lipa sits down with Anderson Cooper and shares her journey to becoming one of the top female recording artists in the world. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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terms apply. Instacart. Groceries that over-deliver. Can you see the spirit from the hostages and that's what they are, is hostages. He's talking about 1,000 Americans convicted in the January 6th riot. The crime was severe. It was an attack on our democracy.

Tonight, the prosecutor in charge of the biggest investigation in U.S. history and the view from both sides of the riot shield. We truly believe that the election was stolen for a number of reasons. Help! It's been called the most dangerous conflict no one is talking about. And when we were aboard this Philippine Coast Guard ship

in the South China Sea, we saw for ourselves just how dangerous it is. It's 4 in the morning, we've all been sound asleep. This alarm just went on on the ship. We were told to wake up and put our life jackets on because we've just been rammed by a Chinese boat. It's unbelievable seeing that many people sing back at you. Will you be mine? I couldn't believe that it was happening in that moment, you know?

I'd dreamt about being on that stage my whole life. I'd thought about it, I'd wished it. You'd envisioned it. I'd envisioned it so many times. I'm Leslie Starr. I'm Bill Whitaker. I'm Anderson Cooper. I'm Sharon Alfonsi.

I'm John Wertheim. I'm Cecilia Vega. I'm Scott Pelley. Those stories and more tonight on the 57th season premiere of 60 Minutes. More than 1,000 Americans have been convicted in the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. About 350 trials are still pending, and the FBI continues its dragnet for suspects. The attack that stopped the count of the presidential vote triggered the largest prosecution in U.S. history. But now, history is being challenged. Former President Donald Trump calls the convicted patriots worthy of pardons. What

is the evidence? We begin with the prosecutor in charge. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves told us what drives the prosecution of January 6th. The crime was severe. It was an attack on our democracy. Once you replace votes and deliberation with violence and intimidation, you've lost the democratic process. You've lost the rule of law. But it's also about the victims, the officer victims who were injured that day, and making sure we hold people accountable for the harm that they inflicted on the 140 officers who reported physical injury. Matthew Graves has worked in the Bush and Biden Justice Departments. Now, as U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, he's won more than 1,000 January 6 convictions and lost only two of the cases at trial. What is the best evidence that you've had? The crimes that occurred that day are probably the most recorded crimes in all of our history. You also have the words of the

defendants explaining what they were going to do or what they had done. Evidence from the trial show many in the mob were determined to stop the count of the electoral vote that would certify Joe Biden's victory. They were enraged by President Trump's false claims of a stolen election. You must have felt strongly to drive 2,000 miles to Washington. Yes, sir. I still feel very strongly. Jared Hughes came from Montana. He's a married 39 year old construction worker with a daughter and a grievance. The way this country's headed, my paycheck, you know, my wife's disabled and it's been hell for us to try to, you

know, try to make it with the tens of thousands of dollars of medical bills. And a lot of us see Donald Trump, the outsider, coming in and trying to help us out, trying to help the little guy out against the big government. That's Jared Hughes at lower right in the khaki cap, among the first inside the Capitol. That's Hughes inside at the door, kicking it out so the mob can rush in. No matter how I look at it, I share some of the responsibility for everything that happened that day, letting people in, being a part of that mob. I didn't personally bite any cops or engage with any officers, but I have in, being a part of that mob. I didn't personally bite any cops

or engage with any officers, but I have a lot of family that are police officers. I have a tremendous amount of respect for police, and I did not like seeing them being assaulted. We didn't see a lot of respect for police in that video. Well, no, absolutely. I mean, I'll hold my hand up and say I was wrong. I should not have been screaming at those cops.

It's not something I'm proud of. Others did much worse. I became trapped. They pinned me against the doorframe and with my arms at my side, I couldn't mount any kind of defense. Officer Daniel Hodges of DC's Metropolitan Police defended an entrance known as the West Front Tunnel. Someone was pinning me with a police shield, and another member of the crowd grabbed my gas mask by the filter in front and just started essentially punching me in the face while holding on to it and then eventually ripped it off my head and then he stole my riot baton out of my hands and beat me in the head with it. What were you defending? Democracy. Democracy stopped for about six hours. The vote was counted at 3.44 a.m.

With two weeks until Inauguration Day, it was the Trump Justice Department that set the standards for the prosecutions. Decisions were made by career prosecutors, who work at Justice for years, regardless of who the president might be. The career prosecutors quickly realized that you needed guidelines in place, determinations about who was going to be charged, who wasn't going to be charged, and what they would be charged with. That process started in January 7, 2021, during the prior administration. To this day, we continue to use guidelines

that the career prosecutors put in place during the prior administration. And this day, we continue to use guidelines that the career prosecutors put in place during the prior administration. And how do they guide you? What we're generally focusing on of the thousands of people who you could potentially charge that day are people who actually entered into the Capitol, people who engaged in violent or destructive behavior,

people who illegally carried firearms or other weapons on Capitol grounds, and people who helped others to get into the Capitol building. You're not charging everyone who was there that day. That is correct. We have turned down hundreds of cases where the FBI is saying, there is evidence here, it's your determination, prosecutors, whether you think this should be prosecuted. And why would you turn them down? Because they don't fit within the guidelines that the career prosecutors have been using, or we don't think that there's sufficient evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable

doubt. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves told us that January 6th charges range from essentially trespassing to the most serious, seditious conspiracy. So seditious conspiracy is a Civil War era statute that deals with basically using force against the government to interfere with the operations of the government. Fourteen have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. One, a militia leader, got 22 years, the longest sentence of all. All of the trials have been in open court in Washington before judges or juries, the defendant's choice. But more than 900, 80 percent, have pleaded guilty. And we've seen defendants since January 6th take full advantage of all the protections afforded under the Constitution.

To me, that's the picture of due process. But due process is not the picture painted at Trump rallies, including this last March. Ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated January 6th hostages. That's a recording of defendants in jail. Mr. Trump has said that he's inclined to pardon many of them. Well, thank you very much. And you see the spirit from the hostages, and that's what they are, is hostages. They've been treated terribly and very unfairly, and you know that, and everybody knows that. And we're going to be working on that soon. The first day we get into office,

we're going to save our country, and we're going to work with the people to treat those unbelievable patriots, and they were unbelievable patriots and are. The former president has also revised the history of those who died. That sounded like a f***ing gunshot. One of his supporters was killed by an officer defending the House chamber. Three other Trump supporters died that day. One drug overdose, two from cardiovascular disease. And a police officer died of a stroke the next day.

In the debate, Mr. Trump acknowledged one death, but he said this in August. When you compare him to other things that took place in this country where a lot of people were killed. Nobody was killed on January 6th. Former President Trump is himself a January 6th defendant in a separate prosecution led by special counsel Jack Smith. Trump was indicted by a grand jury for allegedly conspiring to overturn the election with lies he knew were false, the same myths that stoked rage in Jared Hughes.

Where were you getting all this information? Well, a lot of Fox News, a lot of stuff that I read on the Internet. Obviously, Trump himself, you know, saying that the election was stolen. Fox News paid $787 million to settle a suit that claimed that Fox repeatedly lied about the election and knew it. Were the January 6th protesters duped? Yes. retired federal judge who co-authored Lost Not Stolen, a year-long investigation by conservatives into the 2020 election. The conclusion of the report was that there's no evidence that fraud changed the outcome of an election in any precinct in the United States of America.

In any precinct. And all of of America. In any precinct? And all of the evidence, not the speculation, not the conspiracy theories, all the evidence points in one direction, and that is that President Biden won and President Trump lost. Judge Griffith was appointed by George W. Bush to the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. He retired in 2020 after working for years with most of the 29 judges who have heard January 6th cases. None of these judges is politically biased. These defendants had every chance in the world to defend themselves against these charges, and they didn't succeed. You seem to be saying that justice was done.

Absolutely justice was done. Justice for Jared Hughes meant turning himself in and pleading guilty to obstruction of an official proceeding. The Supreme Court struck down that charge in another case, but if Hughes appeals, he'll face other charges that prosecutors dropped. So after 20 months in custody, including prison, he's decided to just wrap up his last days of home detention. If I come to find out that I was dead wrong on this, that the election was actually legit and Joe Biden got the most votes in presidential history, I would be extremely embarrassed. I would hold my hand up and say, I was wrong and I was an idiot. I don't believe that, though. And whether I was right or wrong,

I believe what we did was patriotic because we truly believe that the election was stolen for a number of reasons. We really believe that. Though the vote count was delayed, the transfer of power was on time, with a new president emerging from that same West Front tunnel, defended by Officer Daniel Hodges. If these defendants are pardoned, then so much of what they believe or believed on that day will be justified in their heads that if they do it again, that they'll be protected. And it would be just incredibly destructive for the fabric of the country. Now the trials themselves will be judged by voters, who will decide whether the defendants were prosecuted as criminals or choirboys.

The allegation is made that the White House is guiding your work. I've never met President Biden, let alone talked to him, which is normal, I would add, because there are walls for very good reasons between the Department of Justice and the White House so that prosecution can focus on what it should be focused on, whether there are violations of law and whether those violations of law, consistent with the rules that we follow,

should be federally prosecuted. There are people, maybe millions of people in this country, who are skeptical about what you just said. No one is being prosecuted for their views. They're being prosecuted for their acts. Sometimes historic events suck. But what shouldn't suck is learning about history. I do that through storytelling.

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The promise is in the title, History That Doesn't Suck. Available on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. If there's going to be a military conflict between the United States and China, the thinking in Washington goes it will most likely happen if China tries to invade Taiwan. But lately, tensions have escalated precariously in another part of the South China Sea, the waters off the western coast of the Philippines, where an international tribunal ruled the Philippines has exclusive economic rights. But China claims almost all of the South China Sea, one of the world's most vital waterways

through which more than $3 trillion in goods flow each year. To assert its claims, China has been using tactics just short of war, leading to violent confrontations. The United States has a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, which could mean American intervention. It's been called the most dangerous conflict no one is talking about, and last month we saw for ourselves just how dangerous it can be. Castle Plan 34, Castle Plan 34. it can be. When we boarded the Philippine Coast Guard ship Cape Enganyo last month,

it was supposed to be for a routine mission resupplying ships and stations in the South China Sea. But in the middle of our first night, sirens raged. Crew members rushed between decks. It's four in the morning. We've all been sound asleep. This alarm just went on on the ship. We were told to wake up and put our life jackets on because we've just been rammed by a Chinese boat. There was confusion, fear. Our team was told to stay inside the cabin for safety. It was unclear if we would take on water or if the Chinese would try to force their way on board. Philippine crew members prepared for that possibility and stood by the hatch holding clubs in case they had to fend off the Chinese. This cell phone video taken by the Filipinos shows the moment just after impact. The Chinese Coast Guard ship, 269 feet long and nearly twice the size of the Cape Inganyo, jammed into the Philippines' starboard quarter, the rear right side of the ship. When the Chinese pulled away,

the Filipinos found a three-and-a-half-foot hole. An officer told us we were lucky the damage was above the waterline. There are, you can't see here in the dark, about four or five different Chinese boats surrounding us at the moment, and the crew tells me they can see on the radar that more are coming right now. This happened about 60 nautical miles off the coast of the Philippines and about 660 nautical miles from China on the way to a place called Sabina Shoal. Manila and Beijing have stationed Coast Guard vessels around

the Shoal in recent months, with the Philippines fearing China will take control. In 2016, an international tribunal at The Hague ruled the Philippines has exclusive economic rights in a 200-mile zone that includes Sabina Shoal and the area where the Cape Angano was rammed. China does not recognize the ruling and says the South China Sea has been its territory since ancient times. We're just getting our first light and now we have a much better sense of just how surrounded we are by Chinese vessels. You can see these two right here actually say China Coast Guard. We're at a complete standoff. We've been here for going on two hours now, not moving.

It's unclear whether we can even turn around and go back if we wanted to. We're just completely surrounded by Chinese ships. Fourteen in all, including a militia of large fishing vessels used to help occupy territory and block ships like the one we were on. The Filipinos tried to negotiate a way out, but ultimately were forced to abandon the first stop of their mission. They said, we're not going to Sabina. In their damaged boat, they had to take a long detour to their next supply drop as Chinese ships followed closely.

By this time, the Chinese had already publicized their version of the incident, accusing the Filipinos of instigating the conflict and highlighting our team's faces, accusing us of being part of a propaganda campaign. The Philippines has turned the South China Sea into its theater, deliberately ramming a Chinese Coast Guard ship with Western journalists right there to capture the drama. They're saying that this is your fault, this collision. If you do the ramming, the other ship would have the damage, not your ship.

Can they fix that? Captain Daniel Labai, the top-ranking officer on the Cape Inganyo, took us below deck to survey the damage. He told us it would not stop them from continuing on. This is our place. This is our exclusive economic zone. This is the Philippines. Over the past two years, the Chinese have turned the South China Sea into a demolition derby, repeatedly ramming Philippine ships and blasting them with water cannons.

But what we saw on the Cape Inganyo represented a significant escalation, bringing the battle lines closer than ever to the Philippine shore. Within hours of the collision, the Biden administration condemned China for what it called dangerous and destabilizing conduct. This has become an international incident, what happened on your ship this morning. I've been assigned here for two years, and this is just what we deal with every day. Is it getting worse now? Yes, it's getting worse. What's behind this uptick in tension? What changed? I think what changed is the determination of the Philippines to say no.

You're standing up to China? Oh, yes. Yes. And they don't like it. Gilberto Teodoro is the Philippines' Secretary of National Defense. The proverbial schoolyard bully is the best example of what China is. You know, it just muscles you over. For example, he says, the aptly named Mischief Reef in the Philippines' economic zone once looked like this. It now looks like this. In the 1990s, the Chinese took it over and started turning the

reef into a military base. As the Cape Angano passed near Mischief Reef, a Chinese Navy destroyer appeared. The Filipinos repeatedly asked for safe passage. Each time, there was no response. In a game of cat and mouse, the destroyer edged forward. The Filipinos forced to come to a stop and adjust course to avoid another collision. China has decided that at this point in their history, they are large enough so that they can buck the law. In Manila, we met retired U.S. Air Force Colonel

Ray Powell, who runs the nonprofit SeaLight. You see these ships going down. Which tracks China's actions in the South China Sea. How do they get away with this? There's a law and there's a judge, but there's no enforcer, there's no prosecutor, there's nobody to put him in jail.

There's no sheriff out on it. Unless, I suppose, the U.S. decides to intervene, which then becomes the world policeman? You know, that's the problem. The U.S. is bound by treaty to defend the Philippines if it comes under armed attack. I want to understand a scenario in which that red line could be crossed. You were just involved in a situation

where you were hit by a larger ship. Imagine if that ship had sunk your ship and several people had died. What would the Philippines then feel compelled to do? They probably wouldn't go instantly to war, but they might instantly get onto a war footing. They might go to the United States and say, this looks a lot like an armed

attack to us. We were hit by a ship and people died. And in a scenario like that, would the United States be obligated to intervene? Look, every treaty in the end depends on the political will of the parties. What I will say is if the United States fails or appears to fail to meet its treaty obligations, the entire U.S. alliance and treaty structure is built on credibility. Your word means nothing. If it means nothing to the Philippines, what does it mean to Japan? What does it mean to Australia? What does it mean to NATO? The U.S. has not had a permanent military presence in the Philippines since 1992.

Though it does conduct regular joint exercises, and this year committed $500 million in military aid to Manila and another $128 million to upgrade bases. We met General Romeo Bronner, the military chief of staff, at one of those bases after he landed in his fighter jet following an aerial reconnaissance flight over the South China Sea. How much time do you spend focused on China? Almost the whole day. Last year, General Bronner visited the Philippines' equivalent of the Alamo, a grounded World War II battleship called the Sierra Madre,

manned by soldiers and used to hold down Manila's claim to a disputed area in the South China Sea. It was the scene of the most violent incident to date. In June, when the Philippine Navy tried to resupply those troops, the Chinese blocked the delivery. It was near hand-to-hand combat. What was surprising was that they had bladed weapons with them. They had spears with them.

You had never seen that before? We have not seen that before. And they began attacking our boats. They started puncturing our boats with their spears. A Filipino Navy SEAL lost his right thumb after the Chinese rammed his boat. They stole our equipment. They destroyed our equipment. They hurt our personnel.

And these are the doings of pirates. I warned our personnel, if this happens again, you have the right to defend yourselves. If the Chinese were to fire upon your men, and your men fire back, sir, that sounds like the makings of the beginning of a war. Yes, yes, indeed, indeed. If you're attacked...

Defense Secretary Teodoro told us there are ongoing conversations between Washington and Manila about which scenarios would trigger U.S. involvement. Do you worry that perhaps some unpredictable incident at sea could cause tensions to escalate? And then, you know, suddenly the Philippines, not Taiwan, becomes the flashpoint in the South China Sea. Oh yes yes definitely. If China were to take the Sierra Madre would that merit America's intervention? If China were to take on the Sierra Madre that is a clear act of war on a Philippine vessel. And you would expect American intervention? We will react and naturally we would expect it. You're talking about a rusty old warship. How realistic is it to expect the United States to intervene over the fate of a warship like that?

There are people in there. That is an outpost of Philippine sovereignty. So we're not talking about the rusty old vessels only. We're talking about a piece of Philippine territory in there. President Biden has invited Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. to the White House twice in the past 16 months and assured him of America's support. I want to be very clear. The United States' defense commitment to the Philippines is ironclad. Earlier this year, Washington sent the Philippines a powerful weapon during joint exercises, a mid-range missile system capable of reaching mainland China. That clearly angered China in a big way. Well, that's none of their business. This is for Philippine defense.

It's none of China's business that you have a missile that could reach their shores? What happens within our territory, it is for our defense. We follow international law. What's the fuss? Do you plan to keep mid-range missiles capable of reaching mainland China at some of your bases? I can neither confirm nor deny if there is such a plan. You say, what's the fuss?

China says that you've brought the risk of war into the region by doing this. That's what they always say. Everything the world does that they don't like is the fault of the world. How do you think this ends, though? You don't expect China to pack up and leave, do you? I really don't know the end state. All I know is that we cannot let them get away with what they're doing.

Plenty of teenagers want to become pop stars, but few convince their parents to let them pack their bags and move to another country to try and make it big. That's what Dua Lipa did when she was just 15 years old. She'd taken some singing lessons, but didn't know anything about the business of making music. Turns out, she's a quick study. At 29, she's now one of the top female recording artists in the world. Take a look at what happened in June when she headlined Britain's biggest music festival, Glastonbury. She was singing one of the first songs she released nine years ago.

Back then, hardly anyone knew who Dua Lipa was. But at Glastonbury, 100,000 people came to see her. They sang along to her every word. Glastonbury, as loud as you can, come on! came to see her. They sang along to her every word. It's unbelievable seeing that many people sing back at you. Be the one, be the one, be the one, be the one, be the one, be the one, be the one. It's unbelievable seeing that many people sing back at you. Will you be mine? I couldn't believe that it was happening in that moment, you know. I dreamt about being on that stage my whole life.

I thought about it, I wished it. You'd envisioned it. You'd envisioned it. I'd envisioned it so many times. I had written down, I want to headline Glastonbury on the Pyramid stage on the Friday night. Being very specific about the Friday night so I could party afterwards. Wait a minute, so even in your dream it was Friday night so you could stay at Blas and Bird? So I could stay Saturday, Sunday.

And go out dancing and be in the crowds? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, you've got to be specific about your dreams, you know? Dua Lipa isn't afraid to admit she enjoys a good time. And that's what her music is all about. The songs are fun and flirtatious. She sings of boy breakups and girl power, late nights and dark clubs. It is pure pop and Dua Lipa's got no problem with that. You're always met with some kind of pushback as a female artist if you're not like with

a guitar or with a piano just like oh she can't sing oh it's all processed or what's there so it's whatever I just think there's just like a stigma around pop music but that was the music which you wanted to do from the beginning because I loved it that's the music that makes me get up and dance dance. Don't let the laid-back demeanor fool you. Dua Lipa has worked hard and come a long way to make all this look easy. Dua, whose name means love in Albanian, was born in London. Her parents had moved there from Kosovo after the war in Bosnia broke out in 1992. She started singing lessons at nine, but her family returned to Kosovo when she was 11. Four years later, she decided to go back to Britain and try and become a pop star.

That was the plan? That was the plan, always. The pitch to your parents was, in order to go to a British university, I need to go to high school? Yes. That was the initial pitch. Her father, Dukajin Lipa, is now her manager. Did you buy that pitch? Of course we did. But she's on the play, the fact that she was always very mature. Even at 15? Even at 15. And yeah, it is a little bit crazy saying, oh, 15 years old, she persuaded you to let her go. But her maturity and our relationship was. You knew she could handle it.

Of course. It sounds like you were a very confident 15-year-old. Yeah. I think more confident than I am now, for sure. I'm Dua. I'm 15 years old. And I'm going to be singing Super Duper Love by Just Down. In London, she immediately started recording herself singing covers of her favorite artists,

and putting the videos on YouTube. This is one of the first ones she made in 2011. She was living with a family friend, but was pretty much on her own. She skipped school so often, she flunked out. Basically, I got expelled. And I remember calling my parents, and they're like, OK, well, you did this, find yourself a school, or you're going to come back to Kosovo. She did find another high school and graduated, but decided college could wait.

Her cover songs online had gotten some notice. Just three years after leaving Kosovo, 18-year-old Dua Lipa got a record deal with Warner Brothers. I walked in with a dream of I want to sing, I want to perform, I want to write, but I had no idea of what comes with it or what other things I have to do or even what goes into the promotion of a record. While working on her first album, she began releasing singles and performing wherever she could. Now I find it harder and harder to breathe and performing wherever she could. We were doing really small shows where the stage was like a step above the floor.

So how many people were like for your first performances? About ten. Ten? Wow. And how many were like friends and family? Well, none, but they all got offered a drink to come and watch. So that was how we got them to come and watch us perform. It's like puppet show and Spinal Tap. Yeah, it's both of those together.

It's like beer and Dua Lipa. Exactly. That all changed in 2017 when her first album came out and she made this music video in a hotel in Miami for a song called new rules it became her first major hit in America the album would earn Dua Lipa two Grammys one one of them for Best New Artist. You ain't getting over him. I got no rules, I count them. When she sang New Rules at the Brit Awards on live TV in 2018,

the reviews were positive, but some viewers' comments online weren't. One in particular went viral. The comment was from somebody that said, I love her lack of energy, go girl, give us nothing. Yeah. You remember the words, give us nothing, yeah. You remember the words? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just spread like wildfire that I had no stage presence or I couldn't perform. So I was like, all right, well, I'm just going to prove to you that I can perform

and I can dance and I can do all these things. Dua Lipa may have wanted to prove her doubters wrong, but when her second album, called Future Nostalgia, was ready to be released two years later, the timing could not have been worse. My second album came out in March 2020, at the very beginning of the pandemic. Was there any talk of delaying?

Yeah, there was. But because I had spent so long working on it, I was like, this album has to come out. With much of the world locked down, it wasn't clear if anyone would want to listen to dance songs, or how she could even promote the album. My whole idea was that this is a record that's supposed to be played in the clubs. I envisioned myself in the club. In the producing of it, the whole thing is like you're in the club. The whole thing is in the club. Dua, how are you? Good, how are you?

Three days after the album's release, she gamely appeared on The Late Late Show with James Corden. Her home had flooded and she was renting a small studio apartment. Don't start now. Oh my God,

and I was having really, like, a bad... hair day. Everyone coming together in their living rooms and their kitchens to make this happen. It's crazy. I love that you were in some random apartment. Yeah, so you can see from there how close I am to the cupboards above I love that you were in some random apartment. Yeah, so you can see from there how close I am to the cupboards above,

the oven, and the stove top. This is you kicking off the release globally of your album. Globally of my album. The new album was an extraordinary success, commercially and critically. Billboard, Rolling Stone, and others called it one of the best of the year, and Dua Lipa was dubbed the quarantine queen. It worked out in a weird way. Yeah, it did. It didn't end up being, you know, the nightclub experience,

but it ended up being the kitchen dance parties and the soundtrack to people's workouts at home to kind of keep them sane during that time. It also gave people the fantasy of being out in a club. Being out. I hope so. In May, she released her third album called Radical Optimism and is now rehearsing for a year-long tour in 28 countries. I'm still like getting my timing while I'm rehearsing. Those first beginning notes, the

I don't wanna, I don't wanna, they're really fast. So I just have to like practice to make sure that I don't slow the song down and miss my timing. I need someone to hold me close Deeper than I've ever known In just nine years of releasing music, Dua Lipa has reached a level of success even she never imagined. Our conversation's over This training season's over

Her songs have been streamed by fans more than 45 billion times. I saw some writers who said that in your songs they don't have a sense of who you are. You're not pouring out your innermost fears and desires and wants. It's something that I just naturally hold back. Some people are just so ruthless with their own private life that they decide to put it all out in a song because they know that it's going to attract people's attention. And for me, it was always important to make music that people really loved,

not because I was putting someone out on blast or not because I'm doing it for the clickbait, but maybe someone else's expense. Dua Lipa's music may not be controversial, but some statements she's made over the past few years about Israel have been. She's called the current war in Gaza genocide, and in 2021, a well-known rabbi took out this full-page ad in the New York Times

criticizing her. There was a lot of words kind of thrown at me, things that I don't believe represent who I am or what I believe in at all. Like I've always only ever wanted peace, really. It's devastating what's happening over there. There's bombs happening between both Israel and Palestine, and children are dying, and families are being separated. And it's just devastating to sit back and see it happen. Some people are saying, well, you said it was anti-Semitic. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's just not, I think it was very unfairly treated by the times. Did that experience make you reticent to be outspoken again? No, because it hasn't stopped me from talking about things that I believe in. Whatever Dua Lipa's political or personal opinions may be, for now, you won't find them in her music. She wants that to be something that will help lift you up, get you out, and maybe, just maybe, take a spin on the dance floor.

Next Sunday on 60 Minutes, an investigation every American should see. The head of the Drug Enforcement Administration calls the fentanyl crisis the greatest threat we face as a country. They make it into these fake pills that look identical to pharmaceutical drugs that Americans would recognize, like Oxy or Xanax, Percocet, Adderall. It will be a very massive high that is very short. And that person they're betting, if they survive, will come back again and again and again to buy more. So these two drug cartels from our neighbor, from Mexico, are responsible for almost 70,000 American deaths a year? Yes. I'm Bill Whitaker. We'll be back next week with another edition of 60 Minutes.