60 Songs That Explain the '90s - ‘60 Songs’ x ‘Bandsplain’ Live at the Teragram

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Listen as Rob and Yasi Salek are joined by Chris Ryan to hold the ultimate '60 Songs' draft! But before we get to that fantastic main event, Yasi roasts Robs for some of his worst mispronunciations across the history of the '60 Songs That Explain the 90s' pod, and there’s even a very special guest to kick off this special episode. This episode was taken from our live super show at the Teragram Ballroom in Los Angeles on November 17. Hosts: Rob Harvilla and Yasi Salek Guests: Chris Ryan and Rob’s Mom Producers: Jonathan Kermah, Jesse Miller-Gordon, and Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What would you do if everyone said they heard your trailer a hundred times? You'd probably make a new one. I'm Justin Sales, the host of The Wedding Scammer, the ringer's first ever true crime pod. We've been hunting a con man for a few weeks now, and our hunt is coming to an end. Schemes, Heartbreak, How to Put On a Wire. We've covered all this and more, but there are still a few surprises left. Binge the Wedding Scammer wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, my friends, and welcome to a very special crossover episode of 60 Songs That Explain the 90s.

On Thursday, November 16th, at the lovely TerraGram Ballroom in Los Angeles, California, we did a live podcast event, a live draft. Who's we? Well, I was there, along with my dear friend Yassi Salick, frequent 60 songs guest and host of both Bansplaine and 24-question. party people. Also, the one the only Chris Ryan was their host of the watch, podcasting, royalty, etc. Yassi Chris and I did a live draft of all the songs included in my book, also called 60 songs that explain the 90s and available now wherever you get your books. Also, we had a special guest. The special guest shows up very early.

The special guests stole the whole show, in my opinion. But so here, now is the audio from this quite terrifying to me, but ultimately super gratifying. Event, thanks very much to Yasi and Chris for doing it. Thanks to Jonathan Kerma and Jesse Miller Gordon for producing it. Thanks to all the lovely

people who showed up for it. And thanks to you for hopefully enjoying it. Now, we'll be back next week with a normal episode. Okay, talk soon. Thanks. You guys, welcome to

Actually, I'm so sorry, we tricked you. This is a live taping of bandsplain guided by voices, and you guys can't leave until it's over, so that's going to be like Saturday or Sunday. Comfy. Just kidding, imagine. You guys, before we really get into it, like the nitty-gritty of it,

I want to paint a little picture for you. If you've read the book, you know this. When young Rob Harvilla was writing at scene magic, magazine in 2001. He wrote something bad and it was a bad review of the band, You Two. Can you believe? Hater. He got some feedback, babe. He got a little bit of hate mail, if you will. And we've brought one of those haters here to read her letter to the editor out loud. Please welcome to the stage, Barb Harvilla. You can just call me mom. Okay, so, yeah, I wrote a letter to the editor, uh-huh.

And I love how they entitled it, Harvilla, call your mom. So what I wrote is, I have to question your criteria for hiring music writers. It seems that you have one too many young punks whose heads are still stuck in the Seattle grunge phase and who apparently know squat about good rock music. As a longtime U-2 fan, I have to take issue with Rob Harvilla's short-sighted preview of the Elevation Tour. I was at that concert.

It was one of several U-2 concerts I've attended, and I can assure you that the band is better than ever, and Bono is still a rock-and-roll god. I suppose we can't expect much from a writer whose favorite bands growing up included Hall and Oates, MC Hammer, and yes, even vanilla ice. But it's particularly disturbing to me since I bought Rob's very first concert ticket. At the age of 14, he went to see you two and thought they were the bomb.

As parents, we do the best we can, but we can control the direction our kids take when they grow up. This two shall pass. We'll still set a place for Rob at thanks. Thanksgiving dinner, Rob's mom. Thank you. Thank you. And you know, I did want to say that while I was genuinely irritated with Rob, this wasn't his first bad YouTube review either. So I was genuinely irritated again. But, you know, I tried to forgive him. But I, you know, it just to me, you two is one of the best, if not the best,

rock band in history, you know? And so, again, I was so frustrated. It's like, what is it with this kid already? So I felt like I had to do what I had to do. But my primary purpose for writing that letter was to make Rob laugh. Because that is what he does for me. He makes me laugh.

He always has, and he still does, and I so appreciate that from him, because, you know, life is hard, and we all need to laugh as much as we can. So I love him. Have you guys ever fucked up that bad that your mom wrote a letter to your boss, a public letter to your boss? Like, nobody in history has ever fucked up that bad. It's so gorgeous. You think he would learn his lesson, right?

I know. You try to raise a nice son. and look, no respect. You guys, I was going to go off until like a total side tangent about a piece of hate mail I received writing it all weekly, but we don't have time for that. It is my great honor and pleasure, you guys, to welcome the author and host of 60 songs that explain the 90s.

The Man of the Hour, Barb's son, my father. Barb is not my mother, though, or my grandmother. I need to understand that it's complicated. Like, she's not my grandmother, but he is my father. You guys just wouldn't really understand. The myth, the legend. Mr. Robbie Harvilla. Hi, Mom.

How have you been? How you been? Could I get another round of applause for my mom? Isn't she incredible? It's my mom. She's amazing. Thank you. Please for Yasi as well.

I've been talking to Yassi for three years. I just met her. Yassi Sal. Wow. Here we are. Here we are. This many years later. Okay, that was over 22, 23 years ago that we...

Yeah. Who would have thought we would still be talking about it? I know. Seriously. It's amazing. People ask me why I'm so self-deprecating. Like, I call myself a dupus. It's because I was ethered by my mom in print when I was 21 years old.

I am egos. I am the bad kind of egosus. So thank you, Mom. I love you. You are so well-hearted. I needed. that. But listen, hey, I just want to tell you, your dad and I are so excited for your success. No, we are. I'm not kidding now. This is serious. We are so happy for you for your success with the

podcast. And now the book, which if you don't have that book, you need to go out and get it right away. And don't skim over the footnotes. I'm just telling you, there's some gems in there. You're like, actually get out your phone right now. I can't believe you came here. You didn't already buy the book. Get it out right now. And I want to see it. Thank you.

Good. So, yeah, we are just so very proud of you. Rob, you're so talented. And we love you. And I have a little gift for you, okay? Thank you. You are. I said it was little.

It's a blue canary for the outlet by your light switch. Birdhouse in your soul. Who watches over you? That was great. Thank you. That was great. So, you know, when you're sitting downstairs late at night and you're listening to some scary last tracks on an album or whatever.

A lot of music scares me, Mom. You know it does. I listen to that episode. And so just flip your bird nightlight on and you'll feel so much better. This is beautiful. Thank you so much. You're welcome. For when you.

You can take that corn album out. Yeah, I can't even do it. I still can't listen to corn. I'm sorry. So can I go now? You can absolutely go out of you. You can stay if you watch. Oh, no.

You can sit here and I, okay. I'm out of here. I want to watch the rest of the show. Okay. You guys, I want you to know that there's like 16 members of Rob's family here. Like literally flew in from. We took over the green room. Yeah.

We had sandwiches. It was a whole thing. This is actually a Harvilla family reunion. and we are just the entertainment. I want you to know my parents live in Los Angeles and they did not attend. They are not here. I mean, they live on the west side,

so it's understandable. There was a freeway on fire earlier, I understand. They don't know what I do for a living still. It's fine. It's probably for the best. Yes. You guys, now it's my absolute delight and pleasure to welcome, would we say,

America's favorite podcaster? Absolutely, I think that's true. Christopher Ryan. Do I have to stand? Why did you do that? I don't know. I'm from the Midwest, as I've mentioned many, many times. What's up?

Hey. How are you guys? How is everybody? Thanks for coming out. I know my name's not on the marquee. It's not a big deal. No, it should be. You have done this before, and we are relying on you tremendously.

I want you guys to shine tonight. This is, well, you're in luck. Thank you so much for coming out. These are two of my favorite podcasts. bands playing in 60 songs, well, however many songs it is. And we couldn't be more proud of them. Oh my God, thank you.

It's amazing to be here tonight. All that sincerity out the window. So, should we start talking about what we're doing here today? Yeah, so I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but we are doing a draft of the songs in Rob's book. Chris Ryan, as is tradition, do you want to explain to the fine folks in the audience what a draft is and how it works

because I don't remember. I get to be the straight man, so it's like... I'm like, yeah, I know the rules of the draft. It's kind of dungeon mastery, but basically we're picking from a couple of different categories. They're all songs from Rob's book.

We're doing rock song, rap song, pop song, music video, and then a couple of wrinkles, spiritually 90s artifact and song of deep personal resonance, which still has to come from Rob's book, which was... Yeah. No, I said it could be any song.

No, but I know. I think Rasi and I both wanted to... It's too broad. Yeah, we need the restraints. We got to get those numbers up, too. Yeah, please, please. So, yeah, it's pretty simple that way. You can't...

I mean, ordinarily, you would not be able to repeat, like, a band, but we won't have that problem because we're just taking the songs from the record from the book, and you only have one song per band in the book. That's right. So we just need to pick out an order. or any opening remarks that you'd like to share with people, Yassie? Well, backstage CR was like, what's your strategy? And I was like, oh, no, like, is this, oh, I'm not coming to the draft with the same energy, I guess, as everyone else.

I'm scared. I don't think anyone, I think if 10 people were drafting, no one would draft my picks. Or mine. I have zero concern about overlap. I feel the same way. I think that you do this every time we've drafted anything where you start out and just being like, listing and drafting is like patriarchal. That's right.

That's your line. You turn into the demon from the exorcist and you're like, victory is the only way out. No, I think what you're seeing is that I follow my authentic heart. Okay. And that will always triumph, you guys. So just know that if you're just, be yourself, follow your heart,

the spoils of victory will come to you. How are we determining who wins? Have we determined? Well, I mean, you could probably say you win. I think you're going to win regardless. So I think it's like we're all playing for you here, but if anyone has strong opinions. We could also just take it. We could take it democratically, like, in terms of like audience response.

Totally. We were going to ask Justin Sales, who works on both of these shows and obviously does the Wedding Scammer podcast. Wait, wait, wait, we didn't do your pronunciation. We didn't do the pronunciation. Do you want to do that? Yes, real quick. Okay, I was going to do a PowerPoint presentation because I just always wanted to do that.

and I figured this was a bad environment to try in front of 300 people in Los Angeles. And so instead we have cue cards that Justin's girlfriend Nicole was kind enough to make for us. One of my greatest skills is pronunciation. I think I'm sort of internationally known as just a great pronunciator of words.

I specialize in English towns, like dreary seaside English towns. I pronounce the names of those very well. I mispronounce words all the time. yell at me on the internet and here I have we have about 20 words names towns in England that I have mispronounced and I'm going to attempt here for you now to pronounce them correctly. I am hoping to get 50 to 60% of them right this time. It's a process, you know, I'm learning.

But okay, this is the one I've gotten the most feedback on. It's a hard G in Vangelis. Like big fans of Blade Runner, et cetera, are very angry at me. I pronounce it Vangelis. And I had to go private on Twitter for several days. It was horrible. So it's not Vangelis. No, that's how I've been saying it.

Okay. It's actually Vangelis, actually. See, this is why this bit works so well that there is no right answer. It's just such a fluid. Okay. I don't even remember the context to this guy. I think DJ Shadow sampled him. He's from either Finland or Sweden.

I forget he's like a Prague rock dude. And I just assume that I miss it's Peja Polchula, I think. as close as I'm going to get to that. Okay. Fantastic. This is the worst one. I'm actually relieved to get this one out of the way

during the offspring episode while discussing an early member of the offspring who became one of these types of doctors. While recording the episode, I said that he was an abjinn. Objinn.

Abjinn. In my defense He has three children It is shorter I have three children Two of them are here The third is asleep in the hotel I have three children

All delivered by Objans That's correct I have heard this word I have met many of these people Objin is shorter To say It is my O BGYN

is the correct way to pronounce that I have it Thank you Thank you Thank you It's horrible I'm so glad that one's out of the way We can just...

This is a band from whales, I think. Sorry, is that right? Yeah. Super furry animals adjacent. That's right, yeah, but that's easier to pronounce it. People were very angry. I think it's gorky-zycotic monkey, right? I don't even know if that's...

I said mincy, and that was wrong. That's all I know. The same people, I think, who were mad about Vangelis or Vangelis or whatever it is, we're also mad about those people. It's fine. This is the other worst one. The first time that the three of us drafted together was, of course, on the internet. And unfortunately, we attempted to mansplain to Yasi the incorrect pronunciation of this.

You don't understand, you guys. I was like, yeah, incesticide. And they were like, that's not how you say. It's insecticide. And I was like, oh. And then I was like, so like, is it? Have I been saying it wrong? Okay, if you guys are right.

And then afterwards, I looked it up and I was like, motherfuckers. I'm going to take the hell on this. Oh, sure. You, with your whole chest, both of you. We were very, in secticide. We were very agrile about it. This was my bad and I have to be better. And Rob was just being a G.

And I was like, no way. It's insecticide. And he just was like, sounds right. I'm sorry about that. That's on me. Okay. Chris took the fall for that. That's fantastic.

This is a town in England, I think. I think this is where Depeche Mode is from. People were very angry. It's Basilden. Basilden. That's easy. I think I said basilden. I said it in the most Ohio.

away. Oh, Christ. This is like the word, it's like a French Canadian word for corny, and this is the word that people called Celine Dion early in her career when she was still a teenager, and it's, I, Catan, that's can't be right. It's gonna be,

it's gotta be way weirder than that. Unfortunately, I'm gonna pass on that one. I don't know what to pronounce that as, no chance. This is Tricia Yearwood's hometown, which I just, I just, Monticello, Georgia, and people were like, that is very wrong. That's terrible. Don't say the name of it again, and I haven't until just now.

Also, isn't that, like, Thomas Jefferson's house? It's been a word that you've probably learned since you were in, like, the first grade. Yes, thank you. That's very helpful, yes. I appreciate it. Yes, I should know that one, but it's, it's... I'm still not clear on this one. Scyth, it's Scyth.

Sithe? Sithe. Sithe? Sithe. easy. See how easy that was? Okay. This is too long. This word is too long. You almost couldn't write it on the card. It's so it's verismilitude. I think I said vers militude in all seriousness. That's terrible. Somebody tweeted this name at me and just said Harvilla, this SMH. That's all they tweeted to me. It's Jean-Shaping Sweden. That's probably not right. That's where the cardigans are from.

That's not right? No, what did the umlauts do to that? It's confounding. Daniel Eck is going to fire you. Just for this. That's right. That's right. I've never been prouder to work for a Swedish company.

What did you say? I pretended like she was born in Monticello, Georgia. I said Winona. Like she was one of the Judds. It's Winona. It's just Winona. It's very simple. It's very simple.

I'm sorry. Oh, this poor guy. This was very early. I said Mutt Lange repeatedly. It is Mutt Lang. The E is extraneous. He cheated on Shania Twain, but he also produced

deaf leopards, hysteria. I should give him more respect than I do. Mutt Lang. Sorry about that. I had no idea that this was such a hallowed institution that it's just ridiculous. It's jamba. It is not jamba juice.

I think that's, a better name. You also argued with me about this one. Did I man-splained this deal as well? No, it's Jamba. And I was like, not in any other city I've ever been in. I did try and blame this on Ohio, and then people from Ohio started tweeting me being like, leave us out of this.

I got so many messages. They were like, I just want you to know I'm from Ohio. And we don't say that. So don't mess us in with that. This might be the second worst one after Ob Jin. Okay. I think this was just in advance. editor was concerned that I was going to mispronounce it's legume legume is the

English is the proper way to say I got that one right oh no I called her Tanya Tucker repeatedly it is Tanya Tucker because she is actually yeah okay after the Jamba Juice thing that's right yeah see I have very strong feelings about this I pronounce this word the way Bugs Bunny pronounces it but the cartoon where he's a matador where he like tunnel into the bullfight and he asked and the Matador is running by

he's like can you tell me the way to get to the Coachella Valley that's the way I say this word coicella and I know it's wrong

but I'm a festival for over two decades you're a music journalist I wrote 8,000 words I wrote 8000 words once about the first coicella and I am still going to pronounce it like that because that's what Bugs Bunny did

that's how strong I feel this is always screwed it's not Ditradis right It's detritus, detritus. That's easy. See? Ooh, this is another one of those English-towned. Bournemouth. Did I really say Bournemouth? I really hope I didn't.

That doesn't sound like me at all. I probably did that right. Glastonbury, did I mispronounce this? I don't know why I wrote that down, but I think I got down right too. Okay. Is this the last one? Thank God. I put an N in this word for no particular. I said municipal. And my dad, who is in the crowd tonight, took me to see a Browns game at Cleveland Municipal Stadium.

I watched a guy drink whiskey out of a chocolate syrup bottle, and there was like a distance between the bottle and his face. I remember the arc of the liquid going into his mouth. It was freezing. It was awesome. I'm sorry that I mispronounce that word. It's municipal. All right. We survived that.

Thank you very much, Yossi. Oh, yes. So sorry that I completely derailed. the draft by forgetting to do it. That's fine. That's fine. Okay. That went really well. I have to look inside and I think I mispronounce like half of those words myself.

Okay, thank you. I mispronounce words every third one on the show. I don't care. I'm like, and what? Go tell it to a wall. I don't care. I was going to say maybe since Rob's book, 60 songs that explain the 90s, but there's more than that. Is out this

week and you should all please purchase this at your favorite book depository. Um, that was not a J. FD. Wow. Sorry. Quite an image.

Um, thank you. You should get first pick. You should get first pick because it's your, you're, you're, you're, you're the visitor. He's already going to win. Well, that's the thing is I think we all have very different. You're right. You're so right.

I get so competitive, right? Really? We didn't even start yet. I think we have very different. Why should Rob get the first? We have different kind of visions of the 90s. No, you're right. You're right.

And so we'll probably come up with some pretty different collections of songs. Again, I think, I can probably start with the only one. one that you might even conceivably pick instead. Okay. I'm going to do music video. Okay. And I am going to pick Missy Elliott's The Rain, Superdalo. I think I've been living in the 90s spiritually for like three years now,

and I think the more time I spend there, the more Missy in the blow-up black suit in the hype Williams video is the image. of the 90s. Like, that's the best case scenario for the future that the 90s imagined for me. I think it was Clover Hope's book on female rappers she talks about is the June Ambrose suit, and they had to blow it up. They went to a gas station next door to the studio in Queens, and they used the air hose that you use on your tires,

and they had to manually inflate Missy's suit. And I just love that image of her walking off a soundstage where she's about to be a superstar and walking into a shell station, you know, next to people filling up. their cars and blowing up the suit and walking back and, you know, changing the course of music history. I just, I love the fact of an alien just walking among us just for a few seconds there. I think there are some musicians, artists who are ahead of their time, like nine inch nails.

It was what if like Depeche mode, but you could like pump iron to it? And everyone was like, that's a great idea. And then bands sort of caught up to that idea. And within three years, you know, we had stabbing westward and gravity kills and all these bands that I loved when I was 18 or just ripping off nine-inch nails. But I think Missy Elliott was ahead of her time and her time still has not arrived. You know, like beyond her own career, there's just nobody like her, nobody doing anything like what she does. And so I just think that she seemed like the future in 1997. And it's amazing to me that she still seems like the future

in 2023. It's amazing that you made up for your misprisonism in mispronouncing Obgen and Jamba Juice, which by the way, I know that that's misogynism. Because Jomba Juice is for girls. Is that, okay. All right, I'll take your... But you're forgiven now. Where to go. That's a great choice.

You should go second. Wow, magnanimous. Well, I also get that. We're still trying to make up for it. I get to do too. You guys are still sad about insecticide. You're still trying to make amends culturally.

Okay. Great, I will go. You guys, I'm going to do something fucking crazy. Are you, I'm gonna do rock song. Okay. And I'm doing a mosquito, my libido. Nirvana smells like, teen spirit, bitch.

That's right. Yeah, you thought I wouldn't. No, I thought you would. I'm sorry, I don't know if it's insane to drop this, but this was like the most, I really thought about it, and I was like this was the most radicalizing rock song of my, like, youth, I think, in every way, not just mine, obviously, everyone's, but like, I put it on again,

and I was watching the video, and it still hits so hard. I listened to it today. It still fucking goes. Still fucking goes. Did it ever not go for you? Did you ever have years where you're like, I can't listen to this?

Because I listen to it, like, every day for, like, you know, six years or something, like on repeat. But yeah, I mean, there was a while where it kind of, like, faded out, and, like, you've heard me talk about this. I think the nirvanaissance is upon us. It's happening. Do you get mad when you see children now wearing the Nirvana shirts,

they bought it Target? Do you want to, like, confront them and be like, name three songs, you know what I'm saying? Do you get mad, Rob? No, not at all. I only get mad if, like, the shirt is ugly. Okay, so it's more of a fashion issue. Yeah, okay.

Like, that's fine. Buy your norman, get that money, Courtney. Like, you know, it's fine. David Grohl, like, cash the checks, like, whatever. But, no, I just, I think, it's weird to say this, and I just, I think you can't overest,

estimate the impact of this song. It's impossible. This is the part where I wanted to read a passage from your book, if you'll allow me. Oh, God. Okay. I'm so sorry, but this. Most of Rob's book, I was, like, laughing alone,

like an absolute, like, lunatic by myself and my bed, just like, ha, ha, ha. But this part, I cried. Yeah, I really fucking felt it in my bones. Okay, so Rob's, like, to set it up, he's talking about the Nirvana Unplugged, which obviously came out, like, six months after Kurt died, and he's specifically talking about the end of the song

Where Did You Sleep Last, or Where Did You Sleep Tonight? Where did you sleep last night? I know, I know. Where did you sleep last night? And it's the last song on MTV Unplugged. And he's talking about where he delivers the last line. I'll shiver the whole night through. So he says, we have to stop.

We have to stop at the hole. He can't ever take the breath. If he takes the breath, the song keeps going, and the song ends. And the CD ends. And we leave the room. and everyone keeps getting older all the time. And we're older now too. And then suddenly we're on the school bus

at the corner of East Union and North Harmony right in front of our old junior high when the radio tells us that he's gone. What do you mean he's already gone by the time the unplugged CD comes out before he shuts us all up, before he takes the breath, before he keeps going after he takes the breath.

No, fuck no. He never takes the breath. We never leave the room. Nobody gets older. Nobody dies. Like my arm hair is standing up. I'm serious. It was, that really, it was such a beautiful, it's exactly,

you really nailed the sentiment of how important, I don't know about to you guys, but to me it was like my whole world crumbled, you know, and it brought it real back. So, yeah, that's my pick. Thank you. Not to jail and Caramonica, but my pick is how I felt when I read that paragraph about,

smells like teen spirit, that Rob wrote in his book. I have nothing that matches the emotional content of what you just did. So for rap song, uh, I think when Jesse plays this, it'll be pretty self-explanatory.

I'm going to take Mob Deep shook ones. Yes. I got you stuck off the realness. So, uh, I guess from like most of the first half of the 90s, like this was pretty much, the rap was pretty much all I listened to. Uh,

and Mob Deep, I remember just like sounded incredibly resonant and real and palpable. to me, but also felt like very far away and almost like otherworldly. There's something about like the way that the drum break plays at the beginning of the song that sounds like it's happening in the bottom of a stairwell. And these guys

just have like the quality of havoc and prodigy's voices were just so fucking like mesmerizing to me. They were so flat but they were so knowing and they were so like there was so much like life in these young voices and I just, I never

ever left this song behind. Like I still I still will play this like once or twice a month, like just to feel something. Just sort of pump yourself up. Yeah, I mean, like, it's one of those things that just doesn't feel like a time capsule at all. It just feels like it came out yesterday. Even though, like, I don't know how much like gets made that sounds like this anymore. I mean, like there's like the Griselda stuff.

Right, right. But there's not like, there's something about the break and the way that it comes in with the guitar that I just have always just like, I'll listen to the first 30 seconds of this just right now. I really love that we didn't know what the sample was for like a couple decades. And then somebody on the internet finally figured it out. And I was sort of torn between it's cool that we know. But it's cooler that we didn't know for so long. There was also like this period in the early 2000s where there was a lot of CD compilations

that were all the samples of like a lot of East Coast hip-hop. And it would always be like, oh my God, this is the thing from cream. And then you're just like, oh, all right. Well, like, now I'm going to listen to like four more minutes of this. But it was, it was a... That happened in my workout class the other day. I was like, oh, here it is. Like, Mace be the one that'll pay for your phone.

And it was not that. It was the whatever the song was from the same one. I was like, oops. Your what class? What class? Oh, do you know that I work out? I lift weights. Do you know that I'm aware of that?

I do strength training and conditioning. Okay. Every morning at 8 a.m. Did you say Warcraft class? That's what I... A workout. Oh, okay. Never mind.

Never mind. Jamba juice. Excuse me. Okay. That's, that segment is over. So, yeah, Bob Deep Shook, one's part two off of infamous

from the rap song. And then... Yeah, so just so you guys know, the way the draft works is it goes into snake. So Chris gets to pick again. Yeah, I do. Anyone who's done a Yahoo fantasy

online draft knows about that. That's right. Also, if you're not a man, here, let me explain it to you real quick. Sorry, I didn't. I wasn't born with that knowledge. My mother is here.

You know, I'm just trying to be... Okay. I feel like I want to do pop song. Okay. And I will go with common people by Pult. Yes.

Controversh, babe. That's pop. Controverse. So let's talk it out. Let's talk it out. Yes. I'm a little, not that I'm like

pulling a flag. Is that a sports reference? Totally. You're just throwing the flag. Yeah. I'm not to call it jambages, honey. But what I'm just... I think most objins would disagree.

Go ahead. I regret doing that bit so much. It would say. that I thought it would, but it's resonance in the rest of the draft is very upsetting to me. So a pop song. Pop song, right? Do you think it's a rock song? I can, I went back

and forth between rock and pop. So I just define it with the primacy of guitars. So that'll just be the way that I'll say, I guess you could say, I don't think the guitar is like the primary instrument on this. That's your taxonomy for. I have to, the guy has to have a code,

you know? Sure. Live by the live by the code, die by the code. What would your definition of a pop song? Is it only based on its charting? I would just, I mean, because this was a fucking smash, baby? Was it?

It was a big hit in the UK. All my guys over there. It was a big hit. Dot, dot, dot, dot. In the UK. I think it crossed over too. It blew up like early aughts, Don Hills.

Those were going crazy for this song. Dude, don't you dare invoke early aughts Don Hills in front of my face right now on this here stage, okay? I feel like I should leave it. Not today. Okay, but I just think that honestly also, like, Jarvis Cocker's performance, and this is central, which is usually what I think of, like, if the vocalist is, like, the thing that's highest in the mix and the most up front. Interesting. So there's a couple.

It's funny that you should have a problem with this because- I don't have a problem, per se. It seems like you have a problem. I'm simply asking you to defend your choice. Yeah, I think that this is a pop song. Just like light audience support for me. Do you think that common people is a pop song? That's actually not as much.

That was light, babe. That was charted in the UK. You guys can't hear it, but in Glasgow, they're like, fucking A, you're right, mom. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot. I'll allow it. Great pick, man. Great pick. Unanimous.

Thank you. And hear the cockroaches on the wall. Maybe like, honestly, the best set of lyrics in a pop song. Yeah, pop songs. I agree. Just drag that bitch to hell. So, yeah, I come out of this with. Mob Deep and rap song and OA, and, uh,

wow. And then you went ahead. My head was, in Jarvis Cocker's face, you called him Oasis. No. That man, slaved for years to get to where he is.

To not be OASIS. Um, okay. Goes back to you now. Goes back to me now. I'm going to do rap song. Much like Chris, because when you asked me backstage, what's my strategy?

Like, if I was going to be a little bitch, I would have been like, surely I'm going to pick a rap song first and take Mob deep. I took ones. Part two. But with my actual growing up, like, I did not know about that song until much later. But this song, my delusional 10-year-old little white girl ass did have the Kisingle, babe,

and I was feeling it. Like, I was like, yes, it me. And it was Dr. Dre, nothing but a G-thing. I was like, give me the microphone first so I can bust like a bubble. That was me, like, 10 years old, just like Compton and Long Beach together, you know, like, so, like, fully wearing my T-shirt. shirt that had Bugs and Taz dressed as Chris Cross.

You know what I'm talking about? Did you guys have that T-shirt? I did. It was so sick. My parents, being immigrants, would not buy me the real one. So there's Santie Alley. They would sell five t-shirts for like $10 and I got to get that one from it. It fell apart. Do you still have it? I wish. Is that your most 90s object? Because that's a really good candidate. It's literally Bugs and Taz dressed as Chris Cross.

That's beautiful. I was so cool. You were. It sounds like a. Stucy Shorts. Stushy is how that's pronounced. Yes, but it's... Jamba. Do you think the bugs and tash shirt is just... What's the limit on D-pop for that right now?

Oh, that's got to be like 5,600 bones, babe. That is a collector's item. But yeah, I would... The video, Snoop Dog, I'm just everything about this song is so... And it's like, this is... Okay, not my culture per se. You know, but it was adjacent next door. I grew up in Torrance. It's nearby.

You know. That's where Den of Thieves are set, so that's good. That's what? Dead of thieves is set in Torrance. Oh, thank you for that. My basketball team in high school did play Compton in high school, so again, we had some comings and goings with Morningside High. Were you still the center at that point?

Were you still playing? I was, what's for? Power forward? Power forward. I had stopped being tall enough to be the center and was now expected to do some ball handling, which I was suffering badly at. Okay. Yeah. Did you beat Compton?

Absolutely not, baby. You know that very famous... That's not shocking. I don't know, I know like six things about sports, but you know that very famous game where Lisa Leslie scored like 101 points in one half. Were you playing in that game? No, but that was against my high school.

Okay. I'm a little bit younger than her, babe. Thanks so much. I couldn't do the math that fast. But anyways, yes, that's my pick rap song, nothing but agy thing. So you're picking largely from, like, who you were at the time rather than the rear view mirror, like, what you think now.

Or is that still your number one rap song of the decade? I mean, I know it's like cool music critic to be like shook ones, which is a great song. But I still think this is one of the best rap songs of all time. That's right. I mean, I won't... West Coast bias from this crowd right now. Did I a little bit want on draft tag team, well, there it is.

If I was being really honest. Is that a pop song? I can see it. I don't know, I couldn't. Yeah, maybe. I mean... In my definition, it would be. I think the vocal. performance. The vocal, yeah. The guitars are not as prominent.

There it is. Yeah. The Albini mix of it is different. You know, if you're right. I think you're really disrespecting DC the brain supreme and his rapping on this one. It's not fair that you also get to do a womb there it is. I'm sorry. You know I always do this though. This is my strategy. It's like work in as many bits as possible. Yes. Okay, Rob, it's your turn. Okay, nobody is going to pick any of mine from this point forward and that's very liberating for me. You think so?

I hope so. Jesus, I didn't prepare if somebody does take one of mine. You only picked one per category in your mind? I think so, yes. I'm pretty confident in this being random and insane. Okay, well, I guess you've spent the most amount of time with these songs. That's true. Chris and I did this yesterday. That's, yes. I'm going to pick rock song. My Spotify rapped from 2022.

My most played song was a tool song. I'm not going to tell you the title of that song. mother is here. My children are here. Three generations of my family including me are here. I'm not saying the name of that song. But I am going to say the name Stinkfist. My rock song is Stinkly. Such a complicated

man. What I didn't anticipate is how ridiculous I would feel with that song playing in a room full of 300 people while I sat in a chair and they watched me. I just... You know what it's giving? Remember the guy in office space where he's like driving to work

and listening to that like hardcore rap song? Like, you and the hoodie and the jeans and the trainers, like, but then this is my fucking song, bitch. Yeah, we're back in the charting in the UK, okay? I can't confirm that this song sounds amazing, playing in a minivan going to curbside pickup at Target. This is my song. This is my me time.

This is dad's little reverie. I'm picking up diapers or wipes. Maybe getting Starbucks, you know, if I want to treat myself, but I sit in the curbside lane with the windows rolled up and there are target employees like servicing the other cars and I am blasting stink fist

by tool and I feel invincible. It is very strange to me that this is the 90s band that I listen to the most for like pleasure in 2023. I cannot explain that. It is the most sophomoric

and yet profound music that I listened to when I was 16 and it only speaks to me more profoundly now that I am the age that I am. Do you think your wife Nicole knew this before now or now she knows it and then we're going to have like a talk about it later? We're going to discuss this in the green room after the show.

She's going to call something about that. Do you guys share a Spotify account? So does she see your listening history? She does not see that, but my boy is my children destroy my Spotify rap every year. I had a Kirby year. Kirby the Nintendo character. There was Kirby music.

There was a game called Friday Night Funkin, where they were obsessed with that. And so that was my, there was a Sandra Boynton year when they were younger, like just kids' music. And so it's like, so it's a bunch of kids music. And then it's at a top, a tool song, which again, I will not say the name of it. It's the most amazing and deranged Spotify wrapped in the history of this company. C.R., does yours get affected by your job? You're a Spotify robbed? Does, like, do they come and tinker with it?

You mean from Sweden? No, but like me and Rob, for example, I have. have to imagine, like, my rap doesn't make any sense because it's just like whatever episodes of Bandsplan I did that year. They're like, oh, you're the top listener of Incubis. And I'm like, well, that wasn't, like, on purpose per se. You did not enjoy that episode at all. I love Incubis, but I mean, once again, two good albums. Four that I should get hazard pay for having to listen to. My wife and I shared a Spotify account for several years, and then we needed to have a conscious uncoupling of that.

Just because of rap. No, just because, like, She would be like, I'm using it, and I'd be like, I actually need it to listen to, you know, the ringer after NFL show or something. Sure. And she would be like, no, I'm listening to Keshe. So. Yeah. Or whatever, you know, and so we decided to go our separate ways. I will tell you, before I did bands plans, there's no excuse for this when they did this decade rap.

Do you remember that? It was like 2020, maybe? 2020, I don't remember. Anyways, I was like, this is your whole decade route. This is the song you've listened to the most in a decade. And I was like, ooh, what could it be? you know what it was? Call me maybe.

And I was like, oh my God, did they alert the authorities right when they got this information? Are they coming to my home to put me in a straight jacket and take me away where I belong? Because what the fuck is wrong with me? Do you listen to that while you're working out? Is that a Warcraft type activity? I think there was like a period of time where I was like, I had a morning playlist that only had like four songs on it. They were all called me maybe. No, it was like blues traveler.

you know, give me a little round, that one, and if I can call me maybe, and just every day, a little call me maybe as a treat. Every day, it really adds up in the end. That's neither here nor there. Did you ever have like a period of time where you stepped away from Tool?

Or is Tool been a constant in your life? Because I don't feel like when I met you in the early 2000s, I don't feel like Rob. I didn't strike you as a tool guy. Or I'd like accidentally walk into you. your office at the village voice and Tool was playing. I would not play that in public. Surrounded by coworkers.

No, I was actually playing Kesha now that I think about it. I think I did get into them more recently. Maybe it was the pandemic, right? When I was suddenly like, we all went to dark places. Exactly. So there's a couple different ways I can go, and for me it was Tool. I got into puzzles. Very cool.

Rob, you actually, so you did Rockie. song for you did tool. I did rock song for tool and it's me again. A song to be named later and now you get to go again. Okay. I'm going to do rap song and I'm going to do I Got Five on it. Oh, very good.

I have had one successful marijuana experience in my entire life. I have tried a few times that I'm impervious to it but my wife and I were at the hardly strictly bluegrass festival watching Gillian Welch cover girls just want to have fun.

That seems more appropriate for your vibe. Thank you. I'm aware of that. I am aware of that. And I looked over into the trees and a man emerged from the mist with like

a tray of marijuana chocolates of truffles. A tray? Yeah, it's like he had like the thing with like... Oh, like take me out to the Cracker Jacks like that.

Yes. That's exactly. Like a vendor. Like a stadium vendor. Sure. And he threw me a chocolate truffle, and I ate it. And I was like, this didn't do anything. And so I ate another one.

Classic. And my wife did the same. And I don't remember how we got home. But I got home and I put a jazz CD in my laptop. I put a Lester Young CD in my laptop. Does your laptop have a CD? This was in like 2004. So it had a CD.

And I put it on the coffee table next to the couch. And I laid on the couch with a laptop playing jazz next to my head. It's a little on the nose. And I would not speak to my wife for several hours. but it was probably actually like 22 minutes. Yeah, probably. Time was, time had collapsed at that point. I have not had much successful marijuana experiences,

but I lived in the Bay Area in the mid-2000s, and I would drive around listening to KMEL, rap radio, and I would just be astounded that I got to hear Looney's E-40, Mac Dre, you know, and I'm like, I'm a guy from Ohio. I'm from Jamba Juice country, right? And so it's not like, oh, this is my music now.

Like, I'm not from Oakland. I'm not of Oakland. Like, I always had this very healthy sense of, like, I still can't get too close to this music. But just even that proximity, I just, that's the most perfect time in my life when, like, where I was physically and what I was listening to just seemed to be in such a beautiful harmony.

And, like, the few times I've gone back to the bay now, I get out of the airport, I turn on KML, and it's like my soul just lifts up into the sky. It's just a rad feeling. That's a beautiful story about the power of California. The power of listening to rap music, unlike myself, it was like, I am from Compton, actually. These are my people. I'm 10.

This is who I am. It's yours. Oh, it's me. Okay. Boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm not going to do that one, but really was in my head when I was thinking about it. I miss my uncle Charles, y'all. I'm going to do

should I do music video? Okay, listen, it's guns and roses in November rain now. This one I didn't go, I think it was, like spiritually, speaks to me, but like maybe not as much as another one and the thing, but like in the end, I like watched them all today and I was like, you can't fucking top it.

You can't, what is it? They're at the rainbow room, there's a wedding, there's a funeral, there's a guitar solo in front of the church, Do you know that apparently, that scene where he just walks out of the church was not planned? Like, he was just leaving to go. He just left. He was just leaving to go sick and they just happened to film it. And the guy was like, it would be amazing because now we can have a place where he went.

And that place will be New Mexico. They literally flew to New Mexico. So this insane ranch to film that, which is, by the way, it's for sale. I couldn't get a price on it. It's called the Silverado. Tom Ford owns it if you guys want to buy it from him. Also, ever since then, I really wanted a short wedding dress, she looked so cool. But did he murder her?

I have so many questions. There's a lot of unanswered questions opened up by November rain. Is it Stephanie Seymour? Stephanie Seymour, yeah. Right, and there's a dolphin? That's a, in the trilogy, babe. That's a strange. These are all based on Del James, like, short stories that no one could find because they were not published.

And they don't make any sense. The guy jumping in the wedding. It's raining. What if I jump in the wedding cake? Every time I mentioned somebody, you're like, oh, I've hung out with him. The guy that jumped in the wedding cake? Have you hung out with the guy who jumped in the wedding cake? No, but I did hang out with Ricky Rachman, who's also in the video.

Yeah. Apparently, I loved this tid. So the guy jumping in the wedding cake was not planned. Oh. And, yeah. And of course, the director, being of sane mind, did not include that in the cut. And then Axel was like, where's the guy jumping in the wedding cake? I'm going to put that shit back in.

She was sick. And the guy was like, oh, okay, it doesn't really make sense. It just started raining The guy's like, no! That's what didn't make sense. Right? I'm like, it's so, there's a gun. It's just like I, it's everything

that a nine minute music video should be that costs $1.5 million. I love it. That's it. Where can you go from there? That was always a tough music video to be like, hold on, mom, I just want to see the end of November 18.

Yeah. Because usually you could just be like 45 seconds. But it was just like, no, no, no. This is the first guitar solo. There's seven minutes to go here. Okay. Just fucking fabulous. I'm going to keep the music videos train rolling.

Okay. Okay. And I'm also going to keep the relations across the pond going. And I'm going to go with Bitter Sweet Symphony verve for music videos. First of all, just a quick tip in a little anecdote about this. I've never been to Glastonbury, but I do. watch YouTube videos of Glastonbury a lot. Same thing. Same thing. Normal.

He, they reunited in 2008 and it must be pretty sick to know like no matter at what point in human history, you and your boys can get together and play Glastonbury and play this song and people lose their minds.

And he barely sings it. He just stands at the stage and goes like... With the cheekbones. Yes. And fucking sings Better Sweet Symphony. Like, every other line and people are just on ecstasy crying and waving flags. I wish

I had that kind of pull. It was dulled that joy was dulled a bit by the fact that they didn't make one single dollar off of it for like 50 years or whatever because the Rolling Stones were like, you tried it bitch. That's not happening. That's our money.

You tried it. You tried it. You tried it. Come a bitch. I feel like it all comes out in the wash. You know, like they had so many other hits that they're doing this. This video is essentially just Richard Ashcroft walking down a London street. He almost gets hit by a cabriolet Volkswagen, which was a car that I kind of dug in the 90s. Sure.

And then a rollerblader almost hits him. And then the rest of the video is essentially him knocking into many old women, which I had forgotten. Like older women who were doing their shopping. And he just like fucking shoulder checks them. It's awesome. And then like a bunch of guys who work at a garage. Raj are kind of like, hey, none of that around here. And then the rest of the verb shows up and they just walk away.

You know what it's like? It's like a Mentos commercial. It has the energy of a Mentos commercial. It rolls on the bench and the stripes. I definitely thought it was the coolest thing I had ever seen in 1997 or whenever it dropped. It was just like, and I also really liked, he had like a very like soft leather jacket with denim underneath. That's right.

It's just like a lot of textures. Great style. Yeah, so I really loved that video. So I'll go with that for music video. Damn. You're really digging deep here, and I appreciate it. Well, I'm just looking at Melody Maker and the music song. Okay, so I have rap song, I have pop song, and I have music video.

Gosh. For rock song. Yeah. I'm going to do Temple of the Dog Hunger Strike. Yes. I'm going to hunger. I think I was too much of a purist at the time to really appreciate this. you know what I mean?

Like super groups weren't really my thing. I didn't really understand the message. I didn't know the like biographical information into the song. This one still goes so hard. It goes so hard. It's a great karaoke song. Like the two vocal, and yeah,

exactly. You and Andy should do this at karaoke. We should change this to the watch theme music, but it's me and Andy, see me at each other. Every Monday and Thursday at 10 a and we have to sing this song. Which part would you want to do? Would you want to, you could do Chris Cornell.

I think I could. I think you could. I think I could nail it. Yeah, so this is just one of those songs that, like, I had no appreciation for at the time of its release, and it's only grown in my estimation since then. Do you remember the video? They're, like, in a field?

Yes. One of the worst videos of all time. There's so hot. There's a lot of, like, slow dissolves between the two of them. Yeah, it's just them being so hot. That's all. It doesn't matter. You're just standing in a field being hot.

Like, physically hot. Like, gorgeous. Like, beautiful. No, it was overcast. Yeah. So much hair. just like shampoo commercial level hair just glistening. They're all wearing shorts.

What would the hunger strike of today be? Like what would be like the two people coming together to sing a song that would just blow your mind? Is that okay to ask? I don't know why. The only thing that came in my mind which is not at all what you're asking is fallout boy redoing. We didn't start the fire. And I'm so sorry to invoke that right now. I don't know where it came from.

That was amazing. that is... Carly Ray Jepson and Kesha, I think, is the answer. That's a great answer. There you go. Yeah. I don't know. My version is probably Tom Dlong

and Tim Armstrong on the Boxcar Racer album doing cat-like thief because that's really my temple of the dog. Okay. Also two gorgeous men. So those are my picks, music video and rock song. What? Oh, just with your turn.

With my turn. So now that's back to you. To me? Yeah. Oh. Unexpected. I'm going to do gin blossoms. Hey, jealousy.

See, by my standards, while this is, of course, arguably a guitar forward song or whatever you were saying, this was on pop radio. Sure, it crossed over. It crossed over from rock radio to pop radio. What did you call it, Rob, like, grunge counter-programming?

Yes, yes. Yeah, it was definitely grunge counter-programming. But to me, this, to me, you were perfect. Jealousy. To me, you are perfect. It is just, what, show me something wrong with the song. There's nothing. It's perfect. Perfect song, and I thought about taking it, but

then remember that you went and saw the gym blossoms, like, within the last 12 months, right? That's correct. Yeah, so I would feel weird taking that from you. The drummer did give me a signed drum song. Is it a small pen? How did you do that? I think it's like a signature model, so perhaps

it comes printed with his, but he, like, was excited to at me with it. And I was like, okay, I think we've had a misunderstanding about what level of fan I have. But thank you. Sorry if you're here tonight, sir. This was also my friend of the pod, Bethany, we went to San Juan Capistrano to catch this hot show. It was like a dinner theater. And absolutely both had like five vodkas, which I never really drink anymore. So we were just hammered. And we were like going to call an Uber. And then there's just like fun Orange County mom, who was arguably also hammered.

I'll give you girls a ride. Get in. And we were like, okay. And then Bethany was like, will you take us to Del Taco? And she was like, yes. And she took us, and she paid for it. Best night of my fucking life.

In Orange County? Did she drive you back to the, like... No, we were staying at a hotel down the road in San Juan Capistrano, and the Del Taco was on the way. Best night of my life. Anyways. Gin Blossoms.

Hey, Jealousy is my pick for pop song. travel around this town. I think you just won the draft with that story. That's amazing. I don't know how to work the crowd. So if that guy gave you the drumstick, do you think you were like, actually, sir, like, I think of this is more of a pop

group? Yeah, yeah, I had a quick talk. No, he listened to the episode, the Gin Blossom's band's playing episode we did. He's not an original member, so perhaps he's far enough removed from the drums and the goss and the tea that it didn't bother him. It's a harrowing story. It is.

For such, like, a confection-level, like, pop rock band, like the story is absolutely just rinsches your heart out. Yeah. They need to do one of those, like, made-for-TV movies about it. Like a behind-the-music or something? About your trip to Del Taco? That's a movie I actually want to see. With Cat Von Sanchez, who I still follow on Instagram from that night.

Thank you, Cat-Van-Sanchez. That's the name of the person who... Cat-Von-Sanchez? Or Cat-V-M-Sanchez? Are we allowed to, like, docks people on the podcast? I remember you're sure that we're allowed to do that. I just wanted her to know how grateful I am for the DILTalco. I think I was sitting like in between two car seats.

It was like truly like, thank God. It was like a mile drive. So mom, dad, if you're listening, which you're not, you've never once heard one bar of this podcast. But I'm so sorry. I can't believe that's not your personal residence. That is my personal residence. That's your personal residence.

Yes. Okay. That's it. I don't go twice now, do I? No, Rob gets to. me. Can I say how proud of us I am that we have not had to play the playoff music for once?

Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you guys. They don't not trust us. I mean, arguably understandably given the length of my podcast to keep it tight. So they were like, if you talk for too long on one individual song, we're going to play the creed with arms wide open. Which is like

threatened me with a good time, bitch. You know what I mean? Like, go on fucking play it. I'll be stoked. I feel like I've jinxed myself now and now I'm going to get played off by creed. I have two picks now. Is that my understanding? Okay.

Are these your last two, Rob? Well, we have, what I have left is pop song, personal resonance, and 90s object. None of us have done personal resonance. Right, okay. Or artifact. Yeah, this has all been personal resonance. I am going to once again test the boundaries of the pop song category and say, salt and pepper's shoup is my part.

I think that counts. Here I go. Here I go. Again, girls, what's my weakness? Bange. I should have pointed, right? When you did, I just, I screwed that up. I'm sorry, that's my fault.

Girls, what's my weakness? Listen to tools. Stingfist. Jambajuze. What's my weakness? Abgin, yes. Option. Yes.

This one's really about my wife, actually. I remember being in junior high at the mythic after school junior high gymnasium dance right and I was a wallflower right so I'm sort of crowded up right next to the bleachers and I'm watching everybody dance and it's like there's no way I could ever dance with anybody and they would all

be line dancing to push it right they would all do the dance forget how it goes and I'm not going to do it now but I was just terrified just of the entire social environment but I've always loved salt and pepper and I loved Shoup you know

even at the time but now this is the song that my wife sings as she's going around our kitchen in the morning as we're getting our kids ready for school. She sort of wraps this song and I just sort of sit back. I'm like up against the refrigerator sort of watching her and it's just such a beautiful full circle moment for me that I went from like this timid kid to this timid adults that my mom ethered when my career began but somehow I still got married and now I get to watch somebody sing chute in my kitchen every morning and it's a beautiful fan. That's really tender. We get it. You're married every day with this

in my face what's a cat von Sanjay I don't mean I shouldn't keep saying the name of a civilian we're absolutely going to the lawyers are going to get involved it's going to be bleeped so it's you get another pick okay it's song of deep personal

reverence I want to get the title back who created this category it was probably me I think it was you the title gives it's giving you it is giving me I'm going to go with They Might Be Giants Particle Man Doing the things

A Particle can What's he like? It's not important Particle Man This was my Beatles on Ed Sullivan Man That's this It's funny because it's true

My cool Uncle Nick Played this for me When I was maybe 12 years old And I think he just kind of looked at me He was like I think you need to hear Particle Man by They Might Be Giant And he was absolutely right

This is This is my band this is my mother's band besides you two but this is my mother's band this is now my kids band as well we play the kids music around the house this is my wife's band this is my brother-in-law my sister-in-law's band

like this is my legacy this band I've seen them live probably 15 20 times you know I've interviewed them and just been so intimidated that I couldn't even ask them a question but this I don't know what it was about this song specifically that spoke to me I think the accordion

helped like I'm slow There's a picture of my grandpa playing an accordion at a wedding and looking like tremendously pleased with himself. And I always loved that picture. And that's the vibe I got from Particle Man apparently. I don't know how it works in my head. But this is the song that just I think showed me what my life was going to be like. And it's like 25 years later you're going to be up on a stage telling people about the time that you heard this song when Uncle Nick played it for you when you were 12. And I was right.

Is there someone in the audience who can like work? Ableton and like make a mashup of Particle Man and StinkFist for Rob. So he can like really like live. So it can be played at his funeral. Yeah. Yes. Yes. That would be, you should do like a Brian Eno installation where it's like StinkFist is

playing out on one side of this room and Particle Man is on the other. That's just my brain. Yeah. That's becoming Rob. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Yassie.

It's really beautiful. Rob, can you recap briefly which songs you've picked so far? Okay, yes. Music video was Missy Elliott, Super Dupa Fly. Rock song was Tool. Stinkfish is a very cool choice. Rap song was Loonies. I got five on it.

Pop song was Salt and Pepper Shoup and Deep Personal Reverence. Residence, excuse me. It was your idea. Was Particle Man. It was my idea. That's a very me phrase, unfortunately. Yes, that's it. Okay.

Gorge. I just want to remind you. mind everybody that when I Rob first came on Bandsplay and I gave him the option to choose what artist he wanted to do and I just want he talked for 10 minutes just now about they might be giants and he was like I will do the dream

and then nobody ever listened to it is the least popular podcast episode in world history in world history yeah well done and here we are okay I guess all I have left is also Song of Deep Personal Residence

did you do Artifact? No. I feel like we should all do that at the end. Okay. Right. Yeah. You guys, this is really hard for me.

I want you to know this is a really hard choice. It's like a Sophie's choice situation. And I have to apologize to my... You also cheated by telling four other anecdotes. I always cheat. You know that. I don't know why you're acting surprised. You also said common people was a pop song.

So we're all playing by our own rules. Because of the sick guitar solo and common people? It was not charted in the UK. not played on pop radio, it's not a pop song. But again, I'll let you have it. I need to apologize sincerely to my king, David Matthews. Oh my goodness. It's not. It's not a deep upset for David Matthews.

I'm upset. I know. My song of deep personal resonance is doll parts by whole. Oh, Nirvana obviously like broke open the world for me what I found in that world. Actually in a trash can. Isn't this the most insane story? I was literally, I was like, when does come on? I was like 12 years old and I'm just passing a trash can by the locker bay and I look in and the fucking live through this CD is just sitting in the trash can.

I was like, God, dropped it there. I don't know what, like something about, no, I think it was opened. But it's like I don't know, I can't even explain what hearing whole for the first time. It was like seeing like Jesus's face in a piece of toast. Do you know what I mean? Like it was like. I know exactly what you're doing. For like me 12 years old, just like so angry and so like ugly feelings and felt ugly looking and just like everything like and then to hear a woman be angry like that.

And then also then see her at the same time be like glamorous but messy but like just it was like all the things like my whole world changed that day. Like, this is truly that I can't... The fact that this album existed is just, I wouldn't be here. I'm like shaking. I really, I have so much respect for Courtney Love. I think the universes of being a woman that she holds within herself that are not perfect and that are controversial and don't fit into a nice bucket of feminism

are the most relatable thing in the world. and trying to be some sort of like perfect presentation of a girl was so soul crushing. It just like, it just opened things up. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. And the feminism has reentered my body and it will now leave once again. That is, do I go twice now? No. I have to follow that.

I don't want to follow it either. That's the end of the draft. It's no they might be Giants Uncle Nix. Okay. Right. Okay. Okay. Jamba. Yeah, I get it. These stories have gotten increasingly tender. My strategy was being sincere, babe. Before he did, they might be giants. I was like, I think I'm going to tell this story.

And then I was like, maybe it's a bad idea. Now I think it's a terrible idea, but I'm going to do it again. So my song of Deep Personal Residence to stick with the picking songs from Rob's book is Cream by Wu-Tang. It's casuals, everything in money. But the reason I'm doing it is the umbrella Wu-Tang clan from 93 to 98 pick. of that's the only thing that was on. And here's a little piece of personal residence. When I graduated high school,

I didn't really party very much. This kid, Jeff, drank two 40s and went temporarily blind. And I was just like, I'll designate drive at school. Was it Edward Fortyham? No, I was such a fun game. I just think it was like, we just got too ahead of ourselves,

like Rob at the Gillian Wollinger. Defined temporary. How long was this person blind? Like 20 minutes? Yeah, that's fine. And it's like pussy. Wasn't even a day. Who cares?

So after that I led a pretty chaste and didn't really experience like party culture in high school too much. Went to school, college. I went to Temple University for my freshman year in Philadelphia. Everybody kind of comes back for Thanksgiving. We had gone to this like Quaker school. It was pretty chill. But there was something about the vibe of the parties around Thanksgiving in 95 once everybody came back from freshman year that was like pure safeties.

It was just like all of a sudden guys in a house watching faces of death. Oh, sure. Smoking blunts. And like I hadn't really smoked before it. And I think I took a hit off one and I was like, pot. And they were like, it's not pot. I don't even know what it was. But I was just like, oh, shit.

You don't know what it was or you don't want to tell us. I had a friend like that. Yeah. Well, I mean. Because I have a story like this about crack. It wasn't that. Someone wrapped it up. And it was like, you know, it had all.

the hallmarks of... PCP. And just like the entire night, I remember spending listening to honestly Liquid Swords, but for the sake of the story, we'll say, we'll say, Wooten clan.

And the entire night, we were listening to that. And at one point, some guy was like, well, let's go home or let's drive back to another part of Philadelphia. And I got in his car,

and we got like two or three blocks, I thought, and he was just like, wait a second, this is not my car. and I was like but do you have the keys like a lot of it is just really like hit or miss in terms of like the some plot holes

but yeah I mean your story about doll parts really inspired me to share this yeah it's a different vibe yeah for sure but I appreciate the so 40 blindness and angel dust

and Wutang Clan it's a shame there are no del tacos I know in Philadelphia yeah you're gonna take the stolen car they blew up the chicken man Rob there's no del tacos there.

So that's my personal residence. So I have rock song, rap song, pop song, music video, personal resonance. It's time for artifact. For artifact. And just to keep it real corny, I thought I would do the CMJ New Music Monthly. The CD that used to be in CMJ and then would also just litter CD stores, record stores in the 90s. And often, candidly, a lot of filler. But honestly, it felt like.

the arc of the covenant had been opened up every month because I was like, Luscious Jackson, remix! Got it! Yes! So there was always like two or three songs. I was looking back at a couple from 96 that were actually like,

there's like a Johnny Cash, Rusty Cage, Luscious Jackson remix into I think it like a space hog song or something like that. In the meantime. Yeah, they used to really like put together some incredible assemblage of music. So the CMJ CD, You used to get it in CMJ magazine.

They just gave that shit away. It was great. We used to be a proper society. My artifact is the Columbia House music service or whatever that I personally defrauded. Scammed. Grifted out of just thousands and thousands of dollars of CDs. How many physical CDs do you think you receive from? Easily 48.

Okay. I at least did it four times. I thought you were going to say 200. No, but just like, take, like, how did they allow this? And there was never any social security number exchange. So, maybe I'm lying, because I don't remember, but how could they do that? How could they just let me tape a penny to a postcard, right in 12 CDs that I wanted? Go ahead and send me the box, and then that was up.

And then I put a different address and name, handled it, did it again. Did you like, go next door and be like, I believe you have a package for me? Do you think, well, it would be like different. friends and stuff. Do you think I ruined my parents' credit? No, they would have told me. That's why they don't listen to this. I'm not going to this show. They're like, actually, we don't want to hear you talk about Columbia House music anymore because we had to

re-mortgage our home because of that. But yeah, what, again, we used to be a proper society, what a dream. Yeah, it's crazy that the big short happened. Yeah, I'm just giving that shit away. They're like, CDs, the worthless. Take them. Who cares? We don't need them. I'm going to go, my object, What is this time? The 90s object?

The object of... The Magi. The curse of the Magi. Spiritually 90s artifact. Spiritually 90s artifact. That would be my Pearl Jam Stickman T-shirt. Honestly, that was my armor.

That was my superhero costume when I was in junior high. Do you still have it? I do not. Nor would I fit into it. May I say now something controversial? One of the worst t-shirt designs of all time.

You guys, do you not agree? Of all the cool t-shirt designs in the 90s, the Pearl Jam Stick Man? No, this guy's giving me a thumbs up. He loved it. This is not a personal this to you. You're taking it very personal. You seem wounded.

My 90s object is my U-2 tour t-shirt from the Zoo TV tour. It's the face, the star, and the car. There you go. In the way, yes. Or the Green Day t-shirt. The Green Day concert at Blossom Music Center in September of 1994.

Yeah. That's right. I got the Duky T-shirt, and I went to school the next day, and literally everyone in high school was wearing that T-shirt. You'd be wealthy right now if you still had it. I would totally be. All of my money is tied up in T-shirts. Do you still have the Tasmanian Devil T-shirt?

Because that's the real. It was Bugs and Tazia. It was disintegrated. It was from Santy Alley and it cost $2. Again, my parents were not buying me the real deal here. This was bootleg. Also, my dad would randomly always give me fake watches, too. That's because he lost all his money to Columbia House.

Yeah, that's right. My cousin is here. I wonder if she ever got fake watches as all. So there you go. Hey, Michelle. My dad would just show up with these weird immigrant show, you guys want to understand. Just like, here's like three fake Gucci watches. And I'm like, where did these come from?

I'm 10. Like, I don't know. All right. So, Rob, that your T-shirt. collection. That's right. Yeah, I started with Pearl Jam, but I pivoted Let's review. Let's review. Please. I'll go first. For rock song,

I had Temple of the Dog, Hunger Strike, for rap song, Mob Deep Shook Ones Part 2, for pop song, pulp common people, for music video, another huge band out of the United Kingdom. Furb, pitter-sweep symphony, for spiritually

90s artifact, the CMJ New Music Monthly, and for Song of Deep Personal Residence, the collected works of early Woutang claim. I can't believe no one picked under the bench. I thought the dilemma was going to be

between Dave and Matthew's band. Rob, what did you pick? Red Hot Chili Peppers. Rock song was Toul. Rap song was Loonies. I got five on it. Pop song was Salt and Pepper Shoup. Music video was Missy Elliott at the rain.

Deep Personal Resonance was they might be Giants Particle Man and 90s object is my T-shirt collection. Thank you. I did not win this, but thank you. I thank you that you won. Rock song for me, smells like teen spirit by Nirvana. Pop song, Hey Jealousy, the Gin Blossoms.

Rap song. It was something. Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg, nothing but a G thing. What is left? Music video, November rain, guns and roses, item of, or song of deep personal resonance, whole doll parts, and spiritually 90s object,

the Columbia House music subscription service. I have a feeling, I know who won. I think we figured out who won. We were going to do that, but we don't have to do it. What did I say? When you speak from your heart. When you are tender and in touch. So when you don't draft pulp common people as the pop song, because it charted in the UK.

No one's ever been like, oh my God, this song rocks. They're like, this song is so pop. Pops. Yeah. Yeah. What a melody. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

Rob, would you like to answer any questions? Do you want to answer any questions? Q&A moment? Okay. How much do we have time? We have like, producer Jesse? 15 minutes, 10 minutes? Yeah, let's do it.

Do you guys want, do you guys have, I already know the answer. You guys have questions. Also, quick shout out to Nicole, who made our beautiful. beautiful cards. She worked municipal. Municipal. Municipal. Municipal. That's right. Objinn. That was her.

So thank you, Nicole. So does anyone have any questions for Robbriasi? Or Chris Ryan. That's all right. You want to step up to the... Thank you. Yeah, just step right up. No slam poetry. Thanks so much for an awesome night. This has been a total blast.

You're welcome. Who of the 90s that's still making music today are your guys? favorite recording artists. Tool. I love Tool. Do you think he means like

we appreciate their output? Their modern day output? You'll have to like fully other him while he's just walking away. I'm just sitting right there. That's right, yes. Still making music. You can go back to your seat if you'd like.

You can stay there if you, it's up to you. You know, like the bands in this book. That are still making music, but I don't have to like the music they make today. I just like them as my favorite. Like Tool and Radio. Radiohead are still putting out music. New albums now.

Right. Favorite bands, yeah. PJ Harvey. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Not the red hot chili peppers. Damn, you don't have to throw me out of the bus like that.

You've thrown me under the bus like 50 times. That's what I'm here to do. That is true. Okay. And next? Hello, this is amazing. Thank you. I grew up in Australia and I live here.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. That's just fine. I was just kidding. You were on a roll. I'm so sorry. As everyone knows, I love and appreciate Australian people. Please go ahead. Thank you.

How much of kind of other countries and us grow... Like, I grew up in the 90s in Australia. How much were you thinking about other people's experience of music around the world when you were doing the podcast? I primarily thought of the English, but that's right. You really did. And you answered a question. I'm going to give the guy. Okay.

Did you think about Australian people while you were... I thought about Australian people all the time while making the show. I think I'd try and be honest about like the singularity of my experience. Did you even think about people outside of Ohio? No, I did not. Maybe Pennsylvania sometimes. The Pennsylvania turnpike is a very... Yeah, Kentucky, maybe.

Northern Kentucky. I tried to, but I think what pop music did for me in the 90s is sort of opening me up to the possibility of other countries. other worlds, right? And so it was a mixture for me of a very narrow experience. Like, I was an alt rock kid. Like, I didn't know shit about shit, you know, and I still don't, but I think that music sort of opened the world up to me and showed me everything that I would never know, you know, and that was a very freeing thought that, you know, there would always be new music to discover and, like, new places to discover, but, like, I would always just be a kid from Ohio who was sort of awed by it all. You didn't have a midnight oil song in there.

I did see Midnight Oil live when I was in high school and they were fantastic. You were aware then. Absolutely. Next. Hi, I listened to your guys' podcasts with my dad in the car. And this question needs a little bit of a backstory. But last year, my friend and I for my school's talent show played Never Going to Give You Up by Rick Astley using a musical calculator, bass guitar and vocals. And I was curious, what song should I torture my school with this year?

Wow. Ooh. I mean, I have so many. Meet Virginia by Train. She loves babies and surprises. She wears high heels when she exercises. I was just going to say the Macarena. That's probably hard to play, though.

Thank you. And sorry to your dad for corrupting the youth. This is for CR. What would Wayne Jenkins' 90s pop song? I think Wayne Jenkins would be a, Fugazi guy, you know? Yeah. DMV, I think I can't really bring myself to do

Wayne Jenkins about Fugazi. I think that there's some sort of like... I do not know who Wayne Jenkins does. I don't even look in my direction. It's part of its charm. So, yeah, I think Wayne Jenkins would be a Fugazi fan. Bonge. Bonge. This is more of a technical question,

but you mentioned that the dream was the least listened to episode. You want the stats of the show. I was wondering for both of you. to your knowledge, most listen, least listen. Are we allowed to do this? Or is this like, do it? Justin, are we allowed to do this? I think it's probably

smells like teen spirit for me, but that's the Courtney love of it all, right? I think people go back to the very beginning. I think Alanis Morissettes, you ought to know just because that was the first episode. I think there are weird ones that sort of over-indexed like Chumba Wamba did very well. Sure.

Bizarly. That makes sense. Does it though? I think so. I don't think there's any rhyme or reason for me. What is the most listen to bands? Radiohead. Really?

Yeah, Radiohead part one and two. Lease Listen Two is The Dream. Literally there's like coming soon on Band Splane preview that has more streams than the dream episode. A deep cut. Yeah. I gave you a list of like eight possibilities. I actually need you guys to fucking step it up because sometimes I'll do a gorgeous little episode on like the Sundays, which is amazing.

And not enough people listen to it. And then my boss, Sean Fennacy is like, you can't do any more episodes like that. Does he really say that? Not really. You're starting to get salty. Yeah. Salty. He's like the national got three times more.

I'm like, ugh. Like, cool. I want to hear that episode just for the contempt. Yeah. In your voice. All right. So your latest episode on I'll be missing you made me feel more emotions about Puffy than I ever thought I could.

And you said you made a mix tape that was sadness. So if you three were to make a mixtape of the 90s, what would your mood be? What would you classify it as? Well, obviously Chris's would be an anglofile. His would be chuffed, isn't it? My mood was Cheerio. Guy, what would mine be? I don't know.

You go first. Mine would probably be like angst. I know it's a low-hanging fruit, but mine would just be like, I fake it's so real. I am beyond fake. going hungry. Desperation, angst. Yeah, why not? I would go angle file. That's not emotion, but in some ways it is.

Yeah, stiff upper lip. Yeah. No one asked me to the homecoming dance. I think that would probably be like. That's kind of the same is what I'm saying. Like, I'm ugly. No one's ever going to love me. Three guys said no to me to the Sadie Hawkins dance.

Three, you guys. Can you believe I even asked the second and third one? I deserve a fucking Nobel Prize for that. Like a brave, purple, purple, heart of bravery. Okay, next. Hi, I am sad that none of your artifacts tonight were about 90s movie soundtracks, one of my favorites.

But I also wanted to open it up because, Rob, I've never felt more seen than when I realized someone else had that same weird Depeche Mode compilation album. So if you could name a favorite compilation or soundtrack, that would be delightful. That's so hard. I mean, that is a good one. Well, ironically, the Dase and Confused soundtrack, which is a lot of it. not actually 90s music but came out in the 90s would probably be mine.

That's for you. Yeah. This is hard. No alternative is pretty good. Yeah, no alternative would probably be mine too. I like Solis Islands cover of sexual healing. I think it's great. I think it's funky.

The kids soundtrack? The kids soundtrack? The kids sound like that. It's a little. It's a little avant-garde. Natural one. It's mostly folk implosion songs. Oh, God.

Right, right. Chris just got to be, he just got to be the weird one. He's like, I'll see your single soundtrack, which just has iconic banger. Maybe singles, because it has drowned by smashing Kankantham. Hey, you mentioned you have kids. Are there any, like, songs or bands or albums from the 90s that have latched on? The kids have latched on, too. It really is, they might be giants.

And it wasn't me, you know? I didn't want to be the kid who was like baby is in a sonic youth onesie. I was just really, I was intent that I would not try and indoctrinate them as a rock critic, right? But the statue got me high came on on the radio one day as I was driving them to preschool. And my sons just slashed onto that song. And then we listened to Nothing But Flood in Apollo 18. My three-year-old, my daughter, now does a dance to fingertips. If you know that song, it's a series of like 10-second snippets.

And it's the who's that standing out my wife? window, parchedy, like, froze her arms up in the air like this. It's, it really is, they might be giants, and basically only they might be giants that they'll even tolerate for me as far as 90s music. I bet you they would like tub thumping. They totally would, yeah. Getting off down. Next up. Hi, Rob. I wanted to ask you about your process putting together your podcast. I think one of my favorite things about 60 songs that explain in the 90s is how your narration sounds like a stream of consciousness, like just whatever's going on in your mom. mind. And when I write my own VO, when I listen to VO from other podcasters, it sounds very

written. And I just love how yours really just sounds like whatever you're thinking about what's on your mind. And I find it so entertaining and I just want to know about your process. And Rob Yossi, if you could pick a rewatchables episode to be on, which one? I have to know. Finally, we can lobby to get on. Thank you. I tried, dude. Honestly, I did. Thank you, man. What, what rewatchables should we, did they do, they did reality bites already? Did they do, clueless? Well, you know. Okay.

Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Mine would probably be beautiful girls. Like you and Chris Ryan talked about, but they'll never let me do that. They'll, they're silencing me. Maybe a Hal Hartley movie if they would let me. Yeah.

If you can get a Hal Hartley movie on the rewatchable. It's not going to happen. We can do like five or six more people just because we're running out of time. You didn't answer your process question. Yeah. I was going to say, yeah. I did it. know what when I started this show I didn't know what it would be and how it would be different than just writing an article but it just turned into me opening a Google doc and just reading it out loud as I wrote and so it's like written down to the word like I thought that by this point I would be able to riff you know and it wouldn't be I wouldn't have to write down word for word but I can't do it that way and so I just read it out loud to myself like hundreds of times and so my children just think that I'm talking to myself all day and they are they are correct actually but it's yeah it's just I do think that this is a very

pandemic era, like, blasting tool while driving to Target sort of project where my world just narrowed down to me in my office and just me talking to myself all the time, you know, and somehow it works out. Both Rob and I created, like, the most intensely, like, prison-type podcasts for ourselves that, like, now we can never be free of. That's exactly right. Yeah. Okay. I think I've listened to most, if not all, of the dream episode.

Oh, thank God. There's like, there you are. That's him. That's the guy. I'm the guy. No comment. Just listen to us. Oh, yeah, that's fine.

That's fine. He's like, it's neither here nor there. I said sex jams like 50 times in that episode. Yeah, we made a super cut out of it. It was horrible. That wasn't what made people uncomfortable. Anyway, my question is, so, Rob turned me on to your podcast. Thank you, Rob.

Your podcasts are genius. That's what I think of you. And my question is, my question is, where did, you guys have this amazing mind meld, where did you meet? Was it like a slow burn? I get that he's your dad, but. He's my father. I don't know what he means. But you met your dad at some point, and was it a slow burner?

Was it like a Led Zeppelin first notes boom kind of thing? You sent us an email. It was like to me and Justin. Did I ask to be on your podcast? Sounds like me. I don't know if you asked, but you, maybe you did ask. Did I insinuate that it would be a good idea if I should be on your podcast? I was like, hey, have you guys thought about having me on your podcast?

So it was email, and then it was slack. Like most of our conversations are we found it. We met for the first time like three hours ago now. It's true. Whatever it is. Yeah, I don't think it was a slow burn. I feel like we kind of hit it off. Yeah, and that's Dave Matthews Band.

I think it's down to my passion and fervor for Creschen to me that I think really sold you on me. Would you agree? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I completely agree. You just did, and they were the correct words, actually. So that worked out. So in some of the episodes you like sound like you put it off and put it off and put it off and I'm just curious like which one did you really have to push off and also did anybody tell you which songs to pick?

I think I did not want the macarena in my head for two weeks and so I put that off for a very, very, very long time. But I was glad that I did it. Like I actually enjoyed that episode. Like I just found them so charming and so random. a little clapping for the mockery. I think that's like... So I, there are quite a few... I put off Britney Spears forever

because Britney Spears just terrified me just as like a present tense, you know, just a constantly moving thing. And then when we got into the thing of always making documentaries like apologizing to her and then those got too intense, now we have to apologize to her

for how floraed the apology document. It's just I just didn't want to deal with it. And finally, I got an email the other day from somebody saying, hey, I listened to your Britney Spears episode, but it appears to be a new kids on the block episode. It seems to be mislabeled. Like, where is the actual Britney Spears episode?

And I had to write back, I'm sorry. I just talk about New Kids on the Block for the first 20 minutes. You just have to keep listening. I'm sorry, I'm like this. Take care, Rob. You actually write them back? Yes. Rob writes everybody back.

Apologies, love and respect to all of you, but I did not do that. You don't even write me back anymore. Hi, guys, big fan of both of you. Rob, thank you for giving me work. in the early 2000s at the East Bay Express. Super appreciate it. Oh, my God. All right.

I'd just have like a question and ask, could you please get somebody on who knows anything about fish or Wilco and redo either of those episodes? It's embarrassing to us. I knew. I knew one of these was coming. Wow. Here's the thing. You couldn't pay me enough money in the world to do fish again.

The fish episode is awesome. Yeah. I love it so much because you hate them. I will consider Wilco, but also probably it would have to be a really large sum of money. I can give you my Venmo and then we can talk about it. I am happy to negotiate and would love to come on and talk about Wilco for 15 hours. I bet you would, babe. I bet you.

Thank you. All right, Max. Oh, Leslie. Hi, Leslie. I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. First of all, the Mariah Rayshaer is very loud in this conversation. I know I'm so sorry.

Respect. My question is, both Rob and Yossi, what's been the crazy response you've gotten from an artist team about one of your shows? The guy from LFO got really mad at me. This actually predates the show. I wrote like 8,000 words about Summer Girls, and I interviewed, like, the producer and, like, the dude from LFO, one of the dudes, and he did not, he was displeased with my discourse on Abercrombie and Fitch

and everything. Like, I tried, I wanted it to be a celebration. I wasn't like making fun of it or so I thought but I think he took it very which I can understand frankly but like I was pretty bummed to get that voicemail you know but I otherwise I think Courtney love reaching out to me is objectively the most bizarre thing that's ever happened to me in my entire life how about you

that's pretty high up there for you huh yeah I haven't gotten any mean feedback from any of the bands so I'm supposing they just didn't listen they don't care if I live or I die This is a terrible episode. Yeah, like what's his name? Trey Anastasio is not like putting on the fish episode to be like, what you say, bitch? But I do worry about that.

I mean, Joni Mitchell's team like reposted the Joni. I was like, oh my God, that was huge. I don't know how many, like, come. I mean, yeah, the drummer of the gin blossoms gave me the sign. Yeah, I don't know, nothing too crazy. Thanks, Leslie. We love Mariah. Hey guys.

I'm a big fan of everyone here. You guys all do really dope shit. Rob, was there anybody you feel like you left out? Because I just want another 30 songs. I just want another 30. If you just popped up like, Hey, guys, it's Rob.

I know I said it was 60, but now it's like 180. Okay, I have, did you do 311? Rude, if you didn't. He didn't. I have not done 311. You didn't do down? I have not yet.

I got like 10 left, man. Okay, I'm just like. By the way, that band's playing for 311 was amazing. Thank you. I learned so much. Thank you so much. That is a good one. You're really playing to the base.

It's unbelievable. I can only be me. That's right. But yeah, did anybody get left out? Do you feel like I... There's like, oh, hundreds of people. So you're saying there's a chance. I have.

Is that what you're saying? So I'll just wonder. I probably should stop at some point. No. But I'm going to keep doing this show forever, I guess. So I'm not going to leave anybody out. That's all I wanted to see. This is bad.

Kat Von Jent Sanchez, but yes. Thank you guys. I just wanted to ask in the air of AI that we have the Beatles last song that just came out. We're going to keep getting more and more mass-produced kind of things like that. Is there any artists that, yes, you would want to hear one more time from the Niteis or absolute hard no their legacy should just live on

the way that it's already gone? There was, I heard an AI version of what Kirk Cobain would have sounded like singing Everlong the other day? Oh, good. That sounds phenomenal. That person is going straight the fuck to hell. Look, I was just... Messing around on Pro Tools one night.

Whoever made that should be tried in front of the fucking hay. War crime. I think AI has got a little room to grow there on the Cobain fronting food fighters side of things, but that's about the extent of my contribution here. I heard one good thing, which was Lana Del Rey singing Massey Star. Yeah, it actually is kind of good. that's one. Are you sure it wasn't just

Lana DeRay singing? It definitely it's labeled AI. But past that I think it should not ever happen. It's unconscionable. I think the Tupac hologram of it all, like I'm fine just to avoid all that. That was a good cocella.

Yes. Thank you. That's how Bugs Bunny says it. I've made myself this. This is our last one. I know I snuck into the line after you said that. That's okay. We love that kind of attitude around here. going longer than we're supposed to. We love that.

Yassi, you're amazing. I love everything about you. Great hoodie, Chris. Thanks. Shout out Anthony in the audience, the artist of Ceremony. What up Anthony? Yasi told me that a member of ceremony

was going to be here and I felt challenged that I'll wear the sweatshirt. Yeah, I like that you did it still. Okay. Just put it in his face. Sorry, please go on. I, well, I don't know,

maybe you just a little bit answer this by saying that you're going to do this indefinitely, but I regret saying that. Once again, I can't see the faces. Baines are like popping out of his neck right now. He's like, you support? My actual question, possibly a good one to be the last person for is, what's next for you?

You know, I really got to figure that out. This is why I keep extending the show because I can't think of anything. And so if I get to the end of the show and I can't think of anything, then I'll just keep doing this, I guess. I really need to figure that out, but I don't know yet. I thought that my career would end with me writing a book, actually. So this is a very strange moment for me. I feel like I'm just going to keel over now and be happy.

But I'll figure out something. And if I don't, then I'll just keep doing the show, and I'll just deal with Justin Baxter. And your wife, don't forget. Yes, my wife is well. A lot of people need to have a strong word with you. The curbside service attendance at Target. Yeah.

All right, you guys. Thank you so much for coming out to see us. Did we make it? Make sure to buy Rob's book if you have it. Stream the Dream Band Splane. And we'll see you next time.