83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff - Episode 430: Eric Bischoff's Power Plant Weekend

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

On this special edition of 83 Weeks, Eric Bischoff takes listeners on an unforgettable tour of the legendary WCW Power Plant, the training ground that helped shape some of wrestling's biggest stars. Along the way, Eric shares hilarious behind-the-scenes stories and memories you won't hear anywhere else. Joining Eric for the journey are former WWE Champion John Bradshaw Layfield and The Casio Kid, who help uncover the history, myths, and mayhem that made the Power Plant such an iconic part of wrestling lore. But that's not all! Eric steps into the ring for a hands-on wrestling lesson with the man who trained countless future stars, the legendary Buddy Lee Parker. Plus, the fun continues with a special appearance from none other than Ernest "The Cat" Miller. It's a unique look inside one of wrestling's most famous institutions, packed with laughs, stories, and surprises you won't want to miss on this special edition of 83 Weeks.       THIS WEEKS SPONSORS DOSE - New customers can save 35% on your first month of subscription by going to http://dosedaily.co/83WEEKS  or entering 83WEEKS at checkout. INDACLOUD - If you're 21 or older, get 40% OFF your first order @IndaCloud with code 83WEEKS at https://inda.shop/83WEEKS ! #indacloudpod BLUECHEW - Right now, when you buy two months of BlueChew Gold, you get the third for FREE with promo code 83WEEKS. Visit http://BlueChew.com  for more details and important safety information, and we thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. JCW LUNACY - Juggalo Championship Wrestling drops BRAND NEW episodes of Lunacy every Thursday at 7pm ET exclusively on their YouTube channel http://youtube.com/@psychopathic_records check it out! PODCAST HEAT - Want to grow your business with the power of podcast advertising? Reach loyal, engaged audiences through trusted host endorsements across the Podcast Heat network. Learn more at PodcastHeat.com SAVE WITH CONRAD - Stop throwing money away by paying those high interest rates on your credit card. Roll them into one low monthly payment and on top of that, skip your next two house payments. Go to https://www.savewithconrad.com  to learn more.

Today's episode comes to you from the Blue Chew Studio right now. When you buy two months of Blue Chewold, you get the third for free with the promo code 83 weeks at bluechew.com. Hello, everybody, and welcome to another special. It seems like they're always special editions, don't they? Well, they should be. And this one's really special because it's all built around our ad-free shows weekend in Atlanta, Georgia. and it was a heck of a weekend. Conrad Thompson is really the architect

behind the entire podcast heat network. And really the idea for these top guy weekends and Royal Rumble weekends, for example, as we just had here in Atlanta, is really for the ad-free shows community. We call them our family, because really that's what they've become. We've gotten so close to a lot of the people

that subscribe to Ad-Free. We do a lot of interactive stuff on Zoom and a lot of special activities for them. We've all gotten very close. But it was really Conrad's idea to come up with these weekends, where, as Conrad would put it, the family gets together and it's all fellowship. It's hanging out, talking about wrestling.

A lot of the stuff we do is a nostalgia base. You know, for example, this weekend in Atlanta was all about the power plant. You know, and the power plant has its own history and deservedly so. A lot of great names came through that. power plant. Well, some of the biggest names in history towards the end of the 90s came out of the power plant, Bill Goldberg, probably being one of the most famous. But a lot of other great talent has come through there. And I think Conrad has such a sensibility about him in terms of the nostalgia for professional wrestling in general, but particularly around WCW.

It was really Conrad's idea to get everybody together, create a weekend where, you know, everybody's going to get together and watch with the Royal Rumble on Saturday. And we had Sergeant Buddy Lee Parker, you know, come in and teach people how to take, but taught me how to take a bump, which was really kind of funny. And just, you know, talk about the history of the power plant, some of the experiences that took place there, some of the great fun stories and some of the not-so great stories. But we shared a lot of those, and I think fans really enjoyed it. Of course, Sergeant Buddy Lee Parker, being the serge, had to get everybody together down on the floor

and take him through a workout. Had them doing Hindu squats and push-ups and sit-ups and all kinds of crazy stuff. So I think a lot of people flew in from all over the country, drove in from other parts of the country, not expecting to get a Sergeant Buddy Lee Parker workout, but that's exactly what happened. I think overall it was a great session. Of course, we had more time,

but I understand production and everything. I've done it for many years. I used to run my own promotion and was on TV and stuff. But I think everybody did good. This is an awesome place, by the way. But I think everybody's held their own a little bit, you know. At least you've got a taste of it. The taste of it.

Now, when I, first train running ropes, they had me just running ropes. Okay. That's the first thing. I was bruised all the way from my back to my damn lower ass. So if you know how to protect yourself, like I told you before, I'm in a different business now.

I think it's good for people that really wants to learn what wrestling's like. And, you know, they always got that itchy, you can't scratch, right? So it was always good to, we didn't kill them. We could have. I could kill them before they even get the ring, but I don't want to. I actually, asked, I actually lower the standards a little bit when we were doing 500 squats in that. It was 1,300. I had somebody challenge me to the SWAT contest.

I did 1,850,000-859 in a row. Dropped him, talking shit over the top of him, dripping my shit all over it. You've got to have pride for yourself. And then I think everybody come out of the powerpoint because of what they did, they had that confidence. He was, he was scared, but he's nervous. He's nervous. He's nervous. He knows everybody's looking at him too. You know, that's a big thing. You know, I used to sell out the monitor every time I went out. People fight and get over the monitor.

I love to see people's face when they wrote my name next to them. And they're like, oh, shit, I got work tonight. But yeah, it's all about confidence. Learn to take the bumps the right way. And that's stuff. And once you get it down, you'll never forget it. usually the case. Whenever Conrad says, hey, we're going to do an ad free shows weekend or Royal Rumble weekend or whatever it may be, we try to think of something special, something fun, that you're not going to see anywhere else. And when Conrad told me that Sergeant Buddy Lee Parker was going to come in and talk about the power plant and maybe teach people a few moves, I thought, you know what? Nobody has ever taught me how to take a bump. Like, I've taken bumps.

choke slams from the giant, choke slams from Kane off the edge of a stage, power bomb from Kevin Nash off of the stage onto the floor. I think Sid Vicious hit me with a power bomb that I could feel for a month. But nobody ever taught me how to take them. And I didn't want to learn because I'm superstitious. And I thought, well, we talked about creatively, okay, and here's the point where you're going to get hit with a power bomb. It's like, okay, well, we're going to teach you how to take the power bomb. I said, no, you're not. I don't want to learn that because the chances are, while I'm trying to

learn how to take that bump, I'm probably going to get hurt. So I'm just not built for it. But if I'm going to get hurt, if it's on camera and we've got it on tape or if it's live, well, we got the shot. So because I'm superstitious and I don't like to rehearse too much of anything, I thought this is the right time for me to learn how to take the most basic bump in professional wrestling. Just a flat back bump off a clothesline. So I got my chance to do that.

And I was horrible. I sucked at it, which is probably the real reason why I didn't want anybody to teach me because I didn't really want anybody to know how bad I was at it. This is nuts. Why?

Every time, every year, I talk myself into doing something stupid. This year, it's this. Taking a bump. Seven years old. Kind of an idiot. You never went down to train? That's what my wife's saying right now.

She knew what I was about to do. She'd be hot. Not in a good way. All right. Another great part of the power plant portion of the weekend is I got to reconnect with Elix Skipper. Now, Elix worked for WCW while I was running the company and certainly had a chance to interact with him. But, you know, when you've got 100 different wrestlers under contract and you're

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whenever you want. One time, but I want it to look good. What Sarja is going to do is he's going to just push you back, and then as he bring you in, he's going to lay his arm here. So once he get right about here, you get ready to start taking your bump. And remember when you take a bump, you just want to take it flat. Don't do the, don't do the, that hurts more. That hurts you more. That hurt more.

So how do you, because your brain is going to tell you, go down in sections. How do you just get yourself to go, or is that where the bump comes in? That deal I told around in building, I did take a bump on concrete, but thank God. I took all that back bumps because that's how I landed. It hurt myself. I'm sore next day. I'm going to lie. But, yeah.

All you do is snap into it. So which is you don't be standing straight up because you're getting ready for. As soon as I see Sarge coming, as soon as he hit me, I go. So you're throwing yourself. I'll just throw myself back. And you always hit, if you throw your whole body back at the same time, you spread out the pain. Yeah. So it don't hurt.

And you hear one. Boom. If I hear boom, boom. I know you didn't take a bump. This is one of the things you say, I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it. Like you said, I'm only doing it once, so. All right. Just give me a short-arm clothesline.

How are you going to do it? How have you? So as soon as I see them coming in, as soon as you get here, all you do is kick your feet out and take a flat bomb. All right? And I'm not hitting you. All I'm not going to hit me a little bit. Yeah, a little.

Oh, he's going to hit you a little bit. My job is not. I'm not to hit you. Your job is just to take the bomb. All right. Remember, I'm not trying to hurt you. you. So as soon as we hear, you take off. Like, don't wait for me to pound you. That's not wrestling. He goes as his touch. Right.

You want to go as he touch. The more you go, the more I'm a swing through. The worst thing is a big guy going, get the guy like this. And then he goes, point to the ropes, you know, and they keep doing that same bullshit. Then there's no way to believe him. There's no way, you know. So you want to take it one good time. I want to take it one good time. Okay. Don't. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So we're just going to just, don't give me your arm. Okay. God, I always take your, I'll push you back. Commit. Actually that's good. You thought about it. Yep. You thought about it.

You did good, but you thought about it. All right, I'll see one more. No? Well, you said one. All right, all right. Just one. Thank you, man. Sorry, how are you?

Good as you. Well, thank you very much. This is really dumb. All right, member, you grab your arm. I'm going to push you away. Oh, he's going to give it to me. Oh, he's going to give it to me. He's going to give it to me.

He's going to give it to me. I've been wanting to close on Eric for decades. Yeah. Yes, come on. That's what I'm afraid of. Did I return all the calls? No, no, no, no, you didn't. No, you didn't.

No, you didn't. And Mr. Briscoe told me. All right. Now it's going to be more like a tackle, right there. Bam, okay? All right. Ready? Ready?

Ready? Go. You asked you should better. Now, that is it. That is it. Better. That was good. Not forever.

Now, one of the other things we did this weekend is premiere a brand new show called Curtain Jerkers. Now, I had no idea what this show was before I got to Atlanta, But I knew who was involved. I knew Conrad was involved. I knew JBL was involved. I knew that Cassio was involved. And these are three of the funniest people that I know.

I mean, JBL could be a stand-up comic anywhere he wanted to be. He's a funny, funny dude. And Cassio is a stand-up comic and a great sense of humor. And Conrad's right in between him. He's got a very, very sharp wit. And he's very fast on his feet. So I thought, well, whatever the show is, it's probably going to be fun.

And I had to be a guest on that show. And I just had an absolute blast. But now, some guys have nice booties. They might even want to wear a thong like out on the ocean or something. Oh, God. Don't. Uh-oh. What is that?

This is a PTSD moment is what this. I don't feel like coming. So he ever had a chance like, I mean, I don't know. This is like name and name or random name. I don't know. Like Brutus the Barber Beefcake. Fuck. Show up on a boat and wear a thong and around your kids.

And this is a real story You need to start talking So I'm thinking it's about 1994 Oh my gosh Hulk and I are getting to be pretty good friends You said Eric Bring your wife and your kids down to Tampa

Let's hang out on the 4th of July Go out on the boat Watch the fireworks I just started working with Hulk right Yeah I was a fan I was in Minneapolis when he You know

when Hulkomania really became a thing. And I'm still kind of a mark. Yeah. I run the company, but fuck, truth is the truth, right? It's Hulk Hogan. It wants me to bring me in my family down to his house. It's been Fourth of July. Yeah, I'm kind of excited about that.

My son, Garrett, was maybe six, seven. My daughter was five or six. She's a year younger. We go down, it's great. Oh, he's got this big, beautiful place in the ocean, and a big, beautiful, he's got a giant boat. He said, okay, let's go out on the water and watch the fireworks. He said, loading up the beer and soft drinks for the kids and whatever.

And then Brutus the barber beefcake shows up in a fucking thaw. Now, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. What he's got? Yeah, he's up. He showed up in a thong. Wait, not pants and then dropped the thos. I don't know.

I don't know how he got there and watched him arrive. Did he drop? I just saw him show up in a fucking boat with a banana hammock. So he was in another boat and just shows up like that. No, he drove up. But I was outside. I was getting on the boat. And then fucking Buddhist in his ass showed up in a thaw.

And I'm thinking, and I'm looking at my wife. My wife's going to like, what the fuck, you know? And, you know, my wife was laughing at it. And I'm not worried about my wife. I'm thinking about my kids. They could scar my children. here's how it gets worse Hulk goes in the house

he comes out he's wearing a freaking thong boat with Bruce a fucking barber banana hammock beefcake and Hulk Hogan in a thong and I don't give a shit

neither is my wife but I'm thinking my kids are going to be scarred for fucking ever what's going to happen to them how are they going to look life. How was this going to affect them? Daddy's friends are weird. I was scared.

Fortunately, my kids turned out okay. I, on the other hand, have a fucking problem with banana hammocks. Were you in the marina at the time? Now we're watching fucking fireworks and drinking mitis and shit. And people were seeing this like another boat. Yes.

It was public. Thank God there was no eye phones. The shit would be everywhere. And you don't know how Brutus got there. No, he just drove up. I think he drove

in the phone. I think Brutus I think Brutus de Barber Brutus de Barber beefcake through this fucking day drives around Clearwater, Florida in a thaw. Hoping somebody's going to say,

can I take your picture? How about this? If I see Brutis and Barber Beefcake, get out of a car and a thong, I'll take his picture. I will say, can I take your picture, sir? And by the way, when I have my dark match

with Briscoe on Real American Freestyle Wrestling, I'm going to, when y'all bring me out, my new nickname is Banana Hammock Beefcake. I think that's going to be my new. Should I come out in the thong, guys? Yeah. I'm not going to do it. How would you say Beefcake's hips were?

because they give birth. You saw him up close and personal. You know, way too up close and personal. Yeah, I, no, I don't think he's capable. I don't think Brutus and Barber Beefcake is fucking capable of much, to be honest with you. There's, you know, when you look at humanity, there's a certain level of expectation,

and when you start at the bottom, that's Brutus. This is the first time I've talked about it since 1994. I'm not sure I'm going to be all right after this. When you say thaw. It's a flashback. That's pretty oldacious. Pretty fucking PTSD.

There's trouble with somebody else's boat with their family and kids in a phone. That's the thing. That's the thing. I mean, you know, there was a bunch of hot chicks and hot strippers that wanted to hang out with wrestlers. You want to show up in your banana hammock. Have that at it. But not in front of my six and five-year-old kid. Are we talking like, you just think they were skimby in the back,

or they inside the cheeks in the back? We're all thinking it. It was deeper than comfortable. Deeper than comfortable. And comfortable being a relative term. Yeah. I guarantee. I mean, how is it?

It wasn't comfortable for us. Even women, I mean, there's a couple of you out there. This is not a total testicle festival. But how the fuck do you feel comfortable with that shit? I mean, a thong. I mean, it's uncomfortable. I wear boxers for that reason. Sometimes I don't wear anything for that reason.

But, you know, a thong? What are you wearing right now? Boxers or... Boxers? She's got these boxers all. They were free. They were tummy. John's. Nicely doing.

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And a huge thanks to end of cloud for helping everybody stay a little cooler than summer. It's going to be fun watching that show come together. Once everybody kind of gets their timing down, gets their chemistry, where they want it to be. and is going to be a funny show because, like I said, JBL, Cassio in particular, they just crack me up. Like, I love talking to Cassio on the phone. I can give him a call and say, good morning, Cassio, what are you doing today? And within five or six minutes, I'm going to be busted out laughing. That's just the kind of guy he is.

And like I say, JBL's always, always great. It's got a wicked sense of humor. Of course, one of the things that I really look forward to on these weekends is a chance to reconnect. And again, Conrad brings people in. that in many cases I haven't seen for a long time. In fact, I ran into Keith Mitchell. Keith Mitchell was, I think he was a production supervisor or manager. I'm not sure what his official title was when I got to WCW.

But Keith really kind of ran post-production. And just a great cat. We got along the first day I met, you know, Keith, we started talking about quail hunting in Texas. So we had a lot in common right off the bat. Not that I've ever done any quail hunting in Texas, mind you, but we both liked to hunt and fish quite a bit. So I got along with Keith great from day one.

And I didn't even know he was going to be at the event. And sure enough, Saturday night, I went into the back of the venue where they were set up and all the production was set up. And there's Keith Mitchell sitting there. I barely noticed him at first. And then he stood up and said hello. I was like, whoa, what are you doing here? It's always great to connect with people.

In some cases, I've known for 30 or 35 years. it is fun to reconnect. I think professional wrestling and the experiences we all shared, good and bad, kind of bring you closer together. And there's very few people that I know today that we're part of that experience. That, you know, I still get an opportunity to talk to and laugh with and talk about the great times. And once in a while, we'll talk about some of the shittier stuff that happened. But for the most part, it's just a great time.

And of course, there's the Adfrey shows members themselves. So many of them have become close personal friends, not only of mine, but of my wives. It's the whole Adfrey shows community has ended up being a much more important part of our lives, my wife and mine, than I ever would have imagined. So I've been part of this for about six years, and this is probably the best one just because of the stakes of the game. We're in this beautiful arena. It's been epic, honestly. I've grown up in a lot of these guys. I had the opportunity to bring Eric home last night or back to the hotel,

and I said to him, it was like, if 17-year-old Frank and could tell himself that he'd be driving with Eric Bischoff, I'd go nuts, because that guy, he was just a legend. And seeing Jeff Jarrett in person, fellow Tennessee Titan fan, and God, Tony Chavani knows me by name, by name, And I can't explain what this community has meant to me over the last six years. And we keep going moving forward. This weekend means a lot because, you know, it's like a little family.

It's like a brotherhood, sisterhood. And, I mean, the most exciting thing was just to listen to all the stories. I mean, it means a lot. They say never meet your heroes, but I have not had a single bad experience with anybody Conrad's ever brought in. They're always open to questions to tell stories. They enjoy themselves. A lot of, you know, wrestling fans get a bad rap sometimes because of the IWC. The people here, this is, you know, this is the only vacation I take every year.

As I come down here, I have fun and I learn some things. The people here are close, tight-knit family. We all are together for one common thing that's pro-restling. You know, there's a saying, you know, you can't go home again. and to a degree I get that, and it's mostly true. But coming back to Atlanta as a part of this particular weekend was a little bit different. And, you know, again, Conrad came up with a great idea. Let's do a bus tour of Atlanta and go to a couple of the places in Atlanta that were so instrumental,

not only in my career or a position in WCW, but also to WCW. and in some respects to the history of the business, because WCW and NITRO, depending on who you talk to, my point of view had a tremendous impact on the wrestling industry, particularly through the late 90s. I think arguably we helped legitimately change the industry for the better. And to be able to take a tour, we all got on a bus, and I felt like, you know, like a cruise director,

you know, I'm up there, you know, talking about some of the sites, and what I remember of them. But it was a lot of fun, and we made our first stop. We went to the power plant, which is now a jujitsu school. And it really did. Now, the facility is a little bit different. There's a couple new walls up, and the building is configured a little differently. But, you know, we got a chance to get in there,

and there was probably 40, 50 of us all there. And talking about some of the stories that occurred, my own personal experiences in that power plant. dealing with people like, you know, O'Leanderson and Blackjack Mulligan and, of course, all the talent that came through there. And I trained for my first match ever against Larry Zabisco. I trained in the power plant for that particular match. If you want to call it a match, it really wasn't a match, but it was an event.

We'll just call it that. But it was a lot of fun. And just going back and, you know, it was the first time I'd been in the power plant in probably 27 years. So it's really been a long time since I've had a chance to visit some of these places. And it's kind of interesting how all of a sudden you get flooded with memories that you had up until that point completely forgotten about. So it was a great experience. It's got a lot of great Q&A's in there. I think it was one of the things I think the fans enjoyed the most.

I own Odyssey Jitsu here in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm a co-owner of it, in fact. We've been here now for about seven, eight years-ish. I moved down here from New York back in 2017. So I've been down here for almost a decade now. We're a professional Jiu-Jitsu Academy here. We teach everything from young kids to hobbyists to professional Jitsu athletes.

So, yeah, we've got a pretty robust program. Gu-No-Gi. We do on Sunday, actually, on Saturday and Sunday, We have a wrestling for judicious program that we do. That's top by my man Luis over there. Yeah, it's a pretty good program. We have a lot of very high-level competitors. Good vibe here.

So I love it. I love these guys. So I got an email, and they told me that there was a, I think you guys do either a podcast or a TV show or something, right? You know, big wrestling fans. And you guys, I assume you guys is just general wrestling, right? It's not just W-CW-centric, right? So they approached me and say, hey, we'd love to come by and bring some people why I take a look at the space.

And I was like, okay, that's cool. You know, I mean, I'm pretty open stuff like that. It was definitely out of nowhere. I didn't expect an email about that. What I've learned about this building is that between 105, which I occupy, and then the one next door, which is 104, there wasn't a wall there. And that there was a ring in between the two. So it was one big unit because I believe this side where we are is about 35 to 3,700 square feet. I think it's about the same on the opposite side.

So whenever WCW occupy this space, they probably own the entire portion. So we occupy here, which is a Jiu-Jitsu Academy, and on the other side is a fencing academy. So it's kind of interesting that if you think about it, this was a wrestling program here, where they used to train, and that people are still using this space for what I would call like a physical activity. I think that tie-in is pretty cool, actually. Seeing Eric Bischoff in person is kind of wild actually. I'm more used to seeing him on TV in the middle of the ring. So it's kind of weird, you know.

I've actually never met a wrestler in person. So, you know, I didn't even go to too many events actually. Growing up and had the resources to go to a lot of events, they were kind of expensive. But seeing him in person is it's wild. I'm a big Rick Flair guy. But I think that's a pretty common answer. I think one answer that a lot of people don't use it. I love this Mr. Perfect.

Mr. Perfect was like the perfect character, right? All the gimmicks he did where everything was just absolutely perfect. And then I found that later in life that he really was good at a lot of everything. And it's kind of interesting how like that his real life kind of persona like influences Mr. perfect character. I think it's kind of cool. You know, I mean, typical guys everyone loved, you know, Rock, Austin, everyone loved those guys. you know, I loved DX for a while that were really cool.

I was definitely more of a WWF slash E guy than WCW. But what I did like is that when Nitro kind of blew up and it kind of, you know, the Monday like battle became between Raw and Nitro, I thought that was kind of cool. And it kind of captured my audience because during the week, me and my friends were discussed what were going to watch. It's kind of a little back and forth. It was kind of nice for a while.

What else? I think for me the epic of my childhood growing up watching wrestling was the, obviously the feud between Vince and Austin was just, I mean that was just must-see TV regardless. You know, it encapsulated everything that you wanted to do with your boss. You know, you couldn't stand him and he was an asshole, it's a piece of shit. He always wanted to ruin your day and it was just nice to like, you know, stick it to the boss for once. I always thought that was kind of cool. and all his gimmicks about coming in with the beer truck and then the zamboni

it's just wild man the scene with him just like the bedpan i mean those those are the kind of moments i think you're you know me and my friends like 30 years later still like we talk about and send like little images and gifts to each other like remember this you know so i think watching you guys come in here knowing that this is a different facility than it used to be you know decades ago really shows the commitment to the fan to the sport and to you know, to loving, you know, professional wrestling. I think it's really cool. And it's kind of nice because you get to see this facility and you can, you know, kind of imagine what it would be like many, many years ago. I think if we were able to get like pictures or footage from back then so we could overlap it

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the guy that runs AFX, was so instrumental in coming up with some of the coolest stuff we've ever done in WCW in terms of special effects and costuming. Andre really designed the, Sting, the Crow Sting kind of character. He worked with Steve Borden Sting, and they collaborated on that character. We talked to Andre about that process, and he showed us some of his sketches and some of the work that went into it, some of the stuff that he had that he pitched me to sell the job,

basically. And he had all that materials. He was able to bring that back and show it all to us. So that was really fun. Listening to him talk about the Kiss Demon characters, and Andre, you know, shared a lot of experiences he had working with Gene Simmons from Kiss on that project. That I think was really fascinating. A lot of information that frankly I either didn't know, wasn't aware of, or completely forgot.

So a lot of it was like, wow, that really happened? It was interesting for me as well because you're hearing stories from a different perspective. You know, we all have our own individual memories of how things went or what occurred in a particular situation. But, you know, I talk to people who are looking at those same situations, but from a completely different perspective or angle, and it's always fascinating to hear the stories because you hear details, or a perspective at least, that you were really unaware of. Gothic scene and nightclub stuff, I decided, I showed him a picture when he was here of Rolling Stone

magazine, and I showed these guys the other day, the cover I had Marilyn Manson on it, and he had this white and black face paint with different colored lenses, and I showed him a Fangoria magazine that had a picture of the crow crouching up on a rooftop. And then I had a That would be the Crow character in a Bruce Lee. Yeah. The Brandon Lee movie. And it was promoting in the back of my horror magazine. And I showed him that.

And then I showed him all the drawings I did. But I also did all my drawings running the spectrum of scorpion suits. I used Dune. I used S&M. I did different versions, Phantom of the Opera with Scorpion shit. I did all kinds of stuff. And I did all these pictures. Then I also did a whole shit ton of pictures of him.

I drew that where he was in white. And I also did some color versions. So I theorized all the way out what his character could do, like in my concept. And I showed him all the stuff. And then he gravitated to the Marilyn Manson picture, that one, and the specific sting suits that I did for him. So I made his first costumes. But when he first came out, he's wearing AFX shirt because he didn't have black and white. And he has that, and he has short hair.

and he has a similar visage to a combination between the crow and the Maryland Manson makeup. And the curves in the makeup are from Marilyn Manson's design. It's his interpretation because he can paint his own face and he just puts this shit out in the sink and paints and he's done it so many times. He got rid of that and he did the whole thing. And eventually when I did the fake stings, originally after my first K-Fabe project beyond this type of shit, Eric wanted, he called me into the office and he wanted me to convincingly make a fake sting and he showed me pictures of Jeff Farmer and asked me if I could make him into, because he had the same body style. So I think even it was like a thing I remember I had to go fucking on the same plate as Jeff Farmer meet him somewhere. I have a K-Fabe meeting and explains some shit to him like, because we really worked hard in keeping this stuff quiet.

So the clandestine services in K-Fabe, that's kind of what I did because, but I'm really, doing all non-disclosure shit, and I'm reporting directly to Eric, not the writers and all these other people. And the only people, it's almost like you want to contain the amount of leaks because everyone's going to report it to the sheets or everybody gossip. Well, and this kind of goes to the resentment and the jealousy and just the culture at the time. It's not so much that I was worried about leaks, although that too. But you start having people internally passing judgment on a project before the project even starts, they're already crapping on it and making it more difficult for anybody to accept. And that was one of the reasons

why I kept things internal, because I didn't want internally people to start passing judgment and resisting it before it even get started. Well, also, you, when you're talking about that, like if you would have not included them in the blood runs cold gimmick and would have booked it differently and had different characters, and they would have pooped, pootered out of the fucking, like they did. But, like, some of the things, Sting was like such a, that whole thing, because the whole design,

the main reason, why I was getting ready for the sting, the fake sting, was so that he was going to do a fashion beach. And I was there when the trash rained down backstage, because I was supposed to do his makeup. We had done test makeups, and I have pictures of me putting in prosthetics

and hotel rooms and all the other shit. But then when you got Hogan, it was like, at that point, I was just a spectator and my thing got pushed to the back burner. They still used it later on in a limo at the hack. So help me out here because there's parts of this that I'm forgetting or hearing for the first time again. So if I understood you correctly, you were prepared at Bash of the Beach when I thought I may need Sting as the third man. So in addition to keeping Sting on ice, you were on ice and ready to make him the third man.

if Hogan wouldn't have showed up. Also, Sting wasn't in the black and white gimmick yet because all my designs and my photograph show him with the face paint and the tights and the jackets that we borrowed from Sting of the gold and the other shit and with the epaulettes and this fancy shit. We had that. And we put contact lenses in Jeff Farmer.

I have test makeup photos in 35 millimeter of one eye with the makeup, with the contact, with him in the hotel rooms, of the prosthetics. And what we were trying to do was get it to be able to pass enough, almost like a stuntman where he's fighting. It's never going to be sting, but we had to change his eye color. We did prosthetics. I molded Sting's head to make the thing, the prosthetics.

And I did a brow piece, a chin, and some structural pieces on him. I painted him flesh color, and then I painted that into the contact lenses. And we left Jeff Farmer's hair, but we probably should have put a special wig on him at the time. And then over time, stings hair grew out. And then later on, when we did multiple stings, the reason I invented the Sting mask was because I couldn't do prosthetics on all these guys. And some dudes would have goatees. So I decided to make a vacuum form of Sting's face and paint it just like his makeup job. So when it went on, it terminated at his makeup line.

So if he did Scotty Riggs, he just trim his hair, put him in a wig and a duster, and then put him up in the rafters. And he's close enough to be an appearance as a stick. From a wide shot. Yeah, wide shot angles. and then there's 10 of them coming down. But ultimately, at one point, the marketing people ripped me off from my design and then produced it.

Then I had to have another negotiation to blast them and get money to have them buy me out for my sting design because they completely stole it. They asked me for samples, and then they went and had a mass produced in China, and they put them on the racks. And then the way they negotiated that, it was Nick Lambros,

and they put me in the room with the person that ripped me off, and they asked us both our stories on how it came about. And I brought visual aids and the person lied and said they were in Vegas and they saw the pictures of Sting, which are pictures of my fucking suits and his whole makeup. But beyond that, that same person asked for samples. And I had Sting's face. I had the vacuum form that clips on it that I made for the first sting mask. And their copy clipped on top of that. And they put my painting mistake in it.

And then they said, enough. And they said, what do you want? And then they gave me my two-year contract plus that mine. You did better than I did, brother. But that lady, or that person, was so pissed at me. Who was she? Kelly came in. The head of marketing.

But it's the same thing with T-shirt designs and all the shit. The reason everyone was coming to me, I'm in the 18 to 35-year-old demographic making cool shit. You got an older 40-year-old lady probably using her brother-in-law's company to produce shirts and maybe getting a kickback, whatever the fuck happened. Oh, you're saying? But they're making pink shirts with sting on it. 18-35-year-old male is not buying it. And before that point, the guys are not wearing the same clothing.

So if I put you in an Eric Bischoff shirt with a cross on and everyone wants to be like you, you better have that shirt on the fucking stands for them to buy, not the pink thing that the guy won't even wear. That made no sense. So I made all these crazy shit for Hogan and DDP and macho because they were, I'm in the demographic. I'm a designer that's really creating something that I would fucking wear. And they weren't thinking that way. Eventually they got along with that.

Eventually. Yeah. And then they made the, you know, the sting mask got mass bird. then eventually it probably made more money in WWA and everybody from probably all my contracts combined. My impression in talking to the fans that were there is that tour of Andre's studio might have been the highlight for many of them because it was the first time they were able to really go back behind the scenes and get an understanding of the process of some of the more iconic moments that took place in WCW. And again, hearing from Andre firsthand how these characters were developed or how a particular stunt may have been developed that he was involved with.

It was really a unique glimpse behind the scenes into how the sausage is made, so to speak. Now, you can't come to Atlanta for any kind of experience and not go to the Marietta Diner. Marietta Diner is famous. And by the way, if I've ever eaten there before, I don't remember. remember it. However, the meal I had at the Marietta Diner was awesome. It was some of the best liver and onions I've ever had. Love me some livered onions. And after we got done at the Marietta diner, we went over to Ernest the Cat Miller's karate school. And Ernest brought in, us was on a Sunday. And Ernest brought in probably six, eight, maybe ten of his top black

belts. And for the benefit of all of us who were there just to check out his school, and to talk to Ernest and, you know, get a chance to know him a little bit better. He brought his karate students in and actually gave, had a karate lesson, a workout, if you will, with his students. And all of them were blackbells, highly, highly successful athletes that are out there competing, you know, to this day. But they all came in on a Sunday so they could kind of give a demonstration of what a typical class with Ernest the Cat Miller is like. And I think Ernest even demonstrated some self-defense techniques on Jimmy Sorensen, of all people. Jimmy, you know, it's like Ernest said, all right, who out here wants to take a, wants to learn a little self-defense?

Jimmy was like taking off his sweatshirt. Man, he was ready to go. He wasn't going to let anybody get in there ahead of him. And Ernest had fun with him. Jimmy was a great sport. So it was fun to watch. JCW Lunacy, new episodes every Thursday night at 7 p.m. on YouTube. For over 25 years, JCJ.

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If you don't know me by now, you'll never know me. I'm Ernest and Kat Miller, WCW Superstar, WWE Superstar, World Karate Champion, one of the best instructors in the world, martial arts. You know it was kind of funny. I got a text message, and they said they wanted to come by, maybe shoot some B-roll to one of my dojoes. So I said, okay then, you know, let's set it up.

So I was expecting maybe one guy, maybe you would come in. But when I went in, nobody was in. I opened the door. I went back to the locker room, changed, put my gie on, talked to some of my students. I came out here in the whole room with full of people, man. And I were kind of like, okay, what do they expect? I didn't know what they expected, you know?

So I didn't have anybody that asked. So then I looked around and I saw Eric. My boy, David, they got me excited. So I didn't have the ass no more. I felt like, you know what I'm saying? they got me. Let me go ahead and just teach and have fun be myself. So it was fun, man, having old guys to come over and see what I do, see what I love, not just what I did, but what I'm doing now was great, and that's teaching karate. I started martial arts when I was 11 years

old, so I worked on it. Man, as you know, I played a little football. I was all-American college football player, but every time I came home, I was straight back to the karate school. So it was my safe place. So back before I became WCW, got in the WCW, I was teaching karate. Doing what I do anyway, I was teaching karate, had a nice class. Gary Bishop was in there and occasionally, Laura, which is Lori, which is Eric Bishop's wife. They'll come over and watch the class man. And, you know, I was just teaching karate. But when I got asked to be a pro wrestler, it was pretty hard to leave what I love.

I wasn't just doing karate and teaching karate. Karate was my heart. That was, you know, that was my thing. You know, so I was doing that and teaching and working with kids and doing what I loved. So when I got in the WCW, it kind of took away from karate a little bit, but it paved away for me, you know. But let's go about just to get away from karate.

Think about this. The one thing that you love the most. I ain't going to say the most. said the most. One thing that you love, you got a high love capacity for, and that was martial arts. It takes you a lot to get out of martial arts. I remember my mom, you say, you're not going to karate class until you clean up my room, until you clean up this house, until you clean up your room. Guess what? I cry and be so upset because I wanted to go to karate practice, no matter what, you can't go to karate today. It's raining. You got the wall. You can't go. But I will go

anyway. You know, that's how much I love karate. It would have been hard for me to give it up a long time ago. But when I got asked and talked to Eric Bischoff about karate and how much I loved it and what he thinks wrestling would have done or would do for me if I came to wrestle and got my name bigger in Japan, I'd be

able to go to Japan, I'd be able to do this with my style of karate. It did something, man, because it didn't just, I had to leave karate. I left karate because a lot of respect I had for Eric Bischoff. It was trust. You know, it was hard for me to trust anybody back then, man, when you're 20, you think you know everything. But when I met Eric and he said, you know what, this would help you build a more brand if you came to WCW, you know, and he said, I might even want to open the school with you. So I took all that to heart, man, and I packed up and I left karate to go into pro wrestling.

But what got me there was I trust, I put a lot of trust in somebody and that with Eric. And let me tell you this, he's done everything he said he were going to do. Never lied to me. I never had a problem with Eric, no matter what, I could talk to him about anything. If I had a problem, I could go to Eric, his door was never locked or closed. He was always open for him because he knew. I didn't, he knew I was in a different kind of world, you know, when it came to wrestling. So it was just a trust, man, just trust in Eric.

And I can tell this story so many different ways that my mind is running so fast right now. But the storyline to all the story would be that Eric Bischoff got me away for something that my mom couldn't keep me away from. And he got me away from karate for a little while to go into wrestling. and it was purely on trust. And like I said, the whole tie was there, man. He was there for me. Again, out of the mind of Conrad Thompson, I think it was Conrad's idea, but it's a good one. We had a promo class.

So Tony Chavani was there and David Crockett was there. I watched a little bit of it. And we're teaching people what goes into a good promo. And they put some promos up on screen to kind of. analyze and talk about and people, you know, learned why they worked and maybe what could have been done different. And after the quote unquote class, everybody got to get up and in front of the NWA set, the Jim Crockett Promotion set that people were so familiar with on TBS, people got to get up there with David Crockett and Tony Chivani and they got their, you know, broadcast

coats on and their tie and their little JCP pin or whatever it was. And the fans got to get up and cut their own promos, which, now I left before that started. I had to get back to my hotel. But from what I understand, they did a phenomenal job. Mostly they had a good time. Are you next? I got a request. Come on, I got a request from you.

Now, were you a TBS fan back in the day? Well, it doesn't matter. But did you, have you, are you a connoisseur? Oh, absolutely. Okay, what was your favorite memory, if you will? Oh, man. Put me on the spot. Is it a road warriors?

Is it Flair? Is it Piper? It was 85 Dusty Rose of the hard times. Okay, for sure. All right. Just to kind of channel these guys and the set and bring it all in together, would you want to face Dusty Rhodes? Or he is injured at home,

and you're taking his place to wrestle flair. Would you like that scenario better? I was going to be a baby face going against JBL. Against JBL. Can you put JBL back in the TBS days? Oh, absolutely. Okay, because I think it'll pull everything together here. So those guys can be in there, Ellis.

So it's JBL at the Omni. He's taken out a couple of your buddies, mainly dusty roads, and you're getting revenge. All right. Adam, your last name is Jeffreys, Jefferson, Jefferson? Like the present. All righty, boys. Omni, this Saturday, three, two.

Well, David, you and I have done a lot together, haven't we? Yes. And we survived a lot, man. Take a look at this. The years of Jim Crockett promotions here on TBS, here, in Atlanta on a Saturday morning. Remember that? Yes.

How many wrestlers came in? How many wrestlers came in to talk to us hung over? Oh, man, a lot of them. Because it was Saturday morning. Most of them. Saturday morning at 9 a.m. But as we now look to the future, we know there's a new breed of wrestlers out there

that are making their challenges to some of the established stars. And that's what this is all about. moving forward to the future. Let's bring in Adam Jefferson. Adam, come on in here, buddy. Adam, I know you challenge JBL. And that's a tall order because I know for a fact he's beating up a lot of people.

He absolutely hasn't. He's gone after friends of mine like Dusty Rhodes. Here's the thing about JBL. He was to call himself a wrestling guy. David, before I got into this business, I was a high school football coach going from small town to small town, playing all these small town high school football teams.

And I'll tell you about a small town and high school football team. They think they're going to too. They're bullies, they heard whoever gets in their way to get what they want, just like JBL has. I'm here to tell you right now that my profession as a football coach before I got into this business, I went from swell town to swell town killing those gods, putting them down, putting them in the dirt, making sure that they didn't get up. I took from them, I made them hurt, I made them rethink all the actions that they've done, like how JBL's re-think what he did to Dust and Rose when I get done with it.

So JBL, at the YOMney, I've put in the work, I've clad to your mountain top, and I'm going to kill a wrestling guy. That's a tall order. Yeah. That's a tall order when you say you got to kill. JBL, he's not that easy. He's not an easy push or, but you know, you really believe in yourself, don't you at? Right? I do because I know that I've put in the work.

I know that I've got Dusty Rhodes, Magna Thier, behind me, wanting me to avenge them from the injuries that they've suffered from JBL. So if I have belief in them, and I've got to believe in them, And I've got to believe from the people in this crowd, they nothing can sign. All right. Adam, congratulations, buddy. On your effort? Best of luck to you, okay?

There you go. And I'll say one more thing. Okay, go ahead. I want to get everyone in here a spelling lesson. I want to teach y'all how to spell victory. Okay. It's A-B-A-M-J-E-R-S-O-N. Why about that?

And now fans, here's where. World Championship Wrestling is coming your way, the major leagues of professional wrestling. We are back here on TBS. A lot of excitement heading to the Omni. This is a match, and this is a feud, David, that's gone along for a long, long time between

Double J. Jeff Jarrett and Coach Rosie. This time, it's for Jarrett's top guy title. Coach Rizzi has more than enough reason. We want to get Jeff Jared in the ring of what we call Jeff Hennie over the head with that guitar last time, proving that Coach Rosian like people said

doesn't have a hard head. But let's bring you to Coach Rhodes right now. Coach, I know you're fired up. Come on in here. David, go ahead and talk to you. Tell us about, all right. This feud that's going on. How long has it been going on?

Mr. Crockett, it's been going on for about a year now. Double J thinks he's on his high horse running this podcast named My World. He's missing episodes for his terrible Wi-Fi for the ice freezing. He thinks he can come in here and just appease the fan. Well, I'm a man that is for the fans.

And Double J, your time is up. Oh, wow. Now, what is it wrong? He's missing episodes? Yeah, the past couple months, his Wi-Fi goes out, not only once, but twice in the episodes. It's not a really good look for the show. And then he thinks his community's freezing. You can miss a live taping.

No good. I'm here to restore the order and the honor of the great. My World Podcast. Listen up, slap nuts. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you cheating him? It sounds like you're cheating. Crockett, you sit there and shut the hell up like you've done your entire career.

And Chivani, don't even think about button in. You've been stealing money from this industry for 40 freaking years. Zip it. Let me tell you something, you want to be, coach. You walk around, you pester everybody. You throw out your little silly ass tweets. Oh, I'm going to support Double J. I'm going to do this.

You're nothing but a phony, just like the basketball team you coach. Just exactly like all these freaking phony ad-free folks. At the end of the day, it's my world. I run the show. Don't talk about no damn Wi-Fi. If you knew your ass from the hole in the ground, you would know it's freaking Coleman Alabama's finest Conrad Thompson, him and his dumb-ass podcast set up.

King of the Mountain sits on top. I always have been and always will be. Now, choke on that, slap ass. Hey, hey, hey, you hold on one second here. I'm here for not only the fans of that three, but the fans of you. You might be the King of the Mountain in the spring, but pal, you got a long way to go when it comes to podcasting. I'm out.

How about that? We've got one. Hope he beats the hell of Jeff, like most people have throughout their careers. Oh, the best part for me. the most fun I had was watching, we had a competition to see who could have the best entrance. So again, we had music going and entrance music and all that, some video on a big screen, and then our fans got to come out one at a time and do their best interest. And Elyx and I and Sarge were the judges.

And that was a complete blast. And I was really impressed because it's embarrassing to get. get up there and try to do something you've never done before while everybody's watching and make a complete ass of yourself. But that's what every one of them did. But they all had a blast. It was the most fun part of the weekend for me. I was laughing from the moment we started to 20 minutes after we stopped.

It was a great time. The following contest is a USA era. Large, how do you do? It looked like you enjoy yourself. It looked to me like you've been doing this. lot. This is not the first time you've ever done this. He was waiting for. I thought it was awesome. I could make money with you, brother. Oh, 25 out of, thank you, Frank. Who's next? Nice job. Sarge, how do you do? Sarge, how do you do? 10. 10 out of 10. Eric. I compressed with the

originality factor because there wasn't much, but the execution was awesome. You popped me when I thought you were going to spit water on me, and you knew I was thinking it, and you pointed at me that was that signature moment to kind of put it over the top for me. See, the private was not spraying you with water. There you go. There you go.

He gave us to smile, and then you said, I'm going to do it. I'm not going to do it. And you had me. I thought this motherfucker's going to spits on me. I'm coming up in that ring. Oh, that was good. That was good.

That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. These events are not only going to continue, but listening to some of the plans that Conrad has for these, they're going to be more interactive, far more entertaining.

And I think it's something that wrestling fans are really going to enjoy participating in. And like I said, you make friends, you make connections, and you have a great time. Want to grow your business with the power of friends. Podcast advertising, reach loyal, engaged audiences through trusted host endorsements across the Podcast Heat Network. To learn more about advertising opportunities, email Dave at PodcastHeat.com, or visit our website at PodcastHeat.com.