83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff - Wise Choices Uncensored

Episode Date: June 2, 2024

Eric Bischoff unleashes on Dave Meltzer's latest shenanigans on social media, including his "star rating" that has folks scratching their heads. Eric also discusses his latest chat with "Who Killed WCW" producers Evan Husney and Bryan Gewirtz about the upcoming docuseries, and so much more. MANSCAPED - Get dad a gift even your mom will love this Father's Day! Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code WRESTLEBIZ at Manscaped.com. BLUECHEW - Try BlueChew FREE when you use our promo code WRESTLEBIZ at checkout--just pay $5 shipping. That’s BlueChew.com, promo code WRESTLEBIZ to receive your first month FREE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Ibishov. Another episode, Wise Choices. Carney, Lean, you're joining us. I love it. Orcanic Control. Awesome to have you here. It's a Saturday.

Oh, Cardi says, I love the live recordings. I love doing them too, man. Great recent course. A lot of things going on. A lot of shit going on. If you haven't seen it yet, check out the, conversation I had yesterday with Evan Husney from Dark Side of the Ring, the creator of that amazing franchise, and Brian Goertz, former head writer, WWE, now currently working with Dwayne

Johnson, The Rock handles all rock's wrestling stuff and a lot of his non-wrestling stuff. So check it out. We go in-depth into the whole process of creating the next big story about WCW at the end of WCW. I'll be honest with you. When I first got the phone call, I was hesitant

to get involved in another analysis of WCW because just about everybody, not just about everybody that's approached it from a television point of view as far. It's pretty much tried to tell the same story and you're living off of dirt sheet narrative, second, third-hand information,

just a lot of kind of folklore, anything. Guy Evans came along, wrote a great book about WCW, and I think the producers of seven bucks saw that book and said, wait a minute, there's more story to tell. Anyway, we get all into that and talk a little bit about what we can expect. I have not seen it. A lot of my friends, Super Dave Silva, has seen it. He saw a screener. I haven't because I want to get an honest reaction. Obviously, I was involved in the project and I helped get some of the talent involved in a project that would otherwise not be too interested in doing stuff like this.

So I did have some input in terms of wrangling talent, but I had no input in terms of content other than, of course, my contribution personally. So I'm, I am really hopeful that as I was told early on in this process, that this is going to be a different approach to the WCW story and in the end of WCW. It is not going to be, for example, the WWE version. So we'll see with Rock involved and, again, Brian Gors, who I have a tremendous amount of respect for, I'm hopeful.

But I'll be doing a live reaction to that immediately following the premiere episode. Now, the premiere episode happens at 10 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday on Vice, immediately following, I'll be right here. And you'll know how I feel about it. I ain't going to pull no punches. you know, as I say, just, I don't broker bullshit. So we'll get a reaction, good or bad. But join me here.

I think it'll be a lot of fun. Today, you know, I got a lot of stuff I want to do today. Samantha, what's going on with Samantha? We've got, this is no longer a testicle festival. I kind of dig it. A couple ladies here, Lady H here, what makes people so interested in the end of WCW? I think partly because WCW and Nitro and the, and the, the, the one you know, I wars that it created.

And just the amount of excitement in wrestling at that time makes WCW's flame out even more interesting because everybody was so into it at the time. And there's a lot of controversy surrounding it. Again, so much of what 99% of the people who are interested in this sort of thing here is from, you know, the Dave Meltzers of the world and people who really had no visibility into what was really going on. They just have opinions based on stories. Other people have told them. So you get this weird, you know, dirt sheet internet narrative floating around out there. And the real story is far more fascinating. It's far more fascinating. It's a,

it's a cautionary tale about vertical integration and merger mania and what happens to companies that had a lot going for them. And as a result of a merger they end up being less than. There's a lot of those to talk about. All right, we're not talking business here. Samantha, great to have you here. I am really appreciative of that. We need to balance out the audience just a little bit.

But anyway, what am I here to talk about today? Oh, you know, I kind of promised myself I was going to try to lay off Tony Kahn and AEW because, number one, it's low-hanging fruit. It's very, very easy. and a lot of the stuff I see makes me bad shit crazy. And I'm not going to suggest that I may not go there today because I recently saw an interview, here I go.

I'm going right fucking to it. Just got done, explain to you how I was trying to discipline myself to not go to the lowest hanging fruit, but here I am because I can't resist. It's just, it's a delicious piece of fruit. Now, here it is. I'm not going to try to quote the interview because I just really just breeze through it.

It was so ridiculous. But the question posted Tony had to do with the possibility of dynamite expanding to three hours. And, you know, Tony gave some of his insight and his reaction. But the end of it was, oh, sure, I'll do three hours. Can you imagine three hours of dynamite? Now, I don't know about you, but last week, dynamite. I want to see how they handle things after the pay-per-view. I'm not even going to go into that because I'm just not in the mood to right now. But I will say this. That show

had all of the pacing of water freezing. I mean, watching that show was like watching water freeze to me. It was, oh my God. And it just begs the question, in my mind at least. Tony, if you can't produce a two-hour show with an interesting format that actually works and holds an audience, what are you going to do with three hours? I mean, two hours is hard. It's hard to hold your audience for two hours, 52 weeks a year. There's no question about that. But if Tony has demonstrated that he's not really very good at producing television or formatting or formatting a show in order to build an audience and weave in a story. That's just not his jam.

Like, he books stream matches with a lot of people from, you know, outside the country. That's what he does. He's very good at that. I'm very good at telling a story on television or creating episodic television. I'm not even sure he really knows what that is. But if you're not good at those two things, how in the hell are we going to produce three hours? I don't know. Anyway, I'm not really here to talk too much about Tony, although if you've got questions, if you've got comments, if you think I'm wrong, if you think I am off the mark and I just need, you know, another hobby.

Well, by God, step up to the plate, grab a bat, take a swing, let's have that conversation because I'm here for you. I like those kinds of conversations, but I do want to talk about one of my favorite people. I mean, this guy really is one of my favorite people. Why is he my favorite person? Because he provides laughter. He provides content. Like literally the dumb shit this guy says as consistently as he says it provides me with just a corner fucking copia of great content that I can share with you and we can have a laugh. We could dissect it.

We could even debate it if there's anybody out there. Dare to debate my position on this. But, hey, well, you never know. You never know. So the first one, Super Dave, I don't know if we put these in any kind of order, but why don't you give me my first one? And let's see, this one was from Norman Connors.

And Dave Meltzer, if the ratings for Nitro and Thunder remain strong, would Jamie Kellner still cancel them due to his dislike of wrestling? Would there have been enough backlash from within time order that the shows would have remained on the air? Now, before we go to the answer, because this is going to be very interesting, and I don't know what Dave's answer was, I guarantee it's going to be silly. But how would Dave Meltzer possibly know what Jamie Kellner or any other executives with internal broadcasting were thinking? the people that actually had the influence or power in Jamie Kellner's case to make a decision like that. How would Dave Meltzer know?

We'll talk about that. Let's see his answer. What do we got? At the time of the announced sale, I was told directly by who, Dave, that they would not have been sold if the ratings were at previous levels and if the company hadn't lost so much money. other outlets were told the same as owners i don't think kilner would have canceled them again i would ask there is nobody at any meaningful level communicating with dave rinkin melzer at that point time dave was getting his source material from a wrestler who told a wrestler who heard from somebody that worked in the office.

That is the quality and the credibility. And not just back then in that period of time when I was at WCW, but now the man is a complete fucking fraud. He's as transparent as a glass of water. He's as bias

as bias could be. And the weird part is he thinks he's deft enough as a writer to kind of hide it and cover his ass. But so many people are seeing. But that's another great example of Dave trying to convince people that he knows a lot about things or has insight into things at levels that give him credibility. When in fact, you didn't have anything of the sort, anything of the sort.

All right, what do we got? Super Dave, we got to have another one. We got a bunch of them. Here's one. This was from Dre-0-13 or just D. Dave, when your audience 18 to 49 is dropping faster than your networks for multiple. quarters, that's not a good sign. Well, I think that's a reasonable observation based on data that we see in front of us. Now, I'm not sure where that data came from, but let's assume for

the sake of conversation, it's credible data. That seemed to be like, I don't know, reasonable observation. Since Dave is an analyst of the business, let's see what Dave has to say. That chart is for original programming, not all programming. TBS was down 16% and 18 to 49 with 2023. All programming, TNT did stay even with more high profile sports events. Maybe that made sense to somebody. I'm not sure. Super Dave, do you get that?

Um, it's written, it's written Meltter style of so, which means it's hard if I can understand, but yeah. So I think our next response to his reaction kind of clarifies, um, what he's trying to say. All right. Right. So to see the trend, it should be AEW versus other sporting or live events. You can't say AEW is doing better than all programs. I mean, knowing that the bulk of it, the bulk of his reruns, it's just not an honest comparison.

I don't see anything to argue with there. Whoa! Whoa! Wait a minute! Pump the fucking brakes! Ladies and gentlemen, this is breaking fucking news right here on Wise Choices. According to Dave Meltzer, And I quote, AEW is not sports, it's entertainment, so it should be compared to entertainment, end quote. What in the name of fuck? I'm aghast, take it back, perplexed, because it was Dave Meltzer just months ago, perhaps a year ago.

before all the panic about AEW not having re-signed a new deal for dynamite in the other programming. Back when everybody was especially Dave Meltzer was like, he was like the band leader, you know, with the baton and the fucking hat, you know, marching up and down the street, you know, playing the AEW theme song, telling everybody that AEW is going to double, triple their rights because of look at what's going to. on in all of these other sports franchise rights fees, which is it, David? Are we a sport? Or are we entertainment? Or are we a sport when you want to paint the picture that your agenda wants you to paint? So now it's a sport when you can compare AEW to sports in a favorable light. But if it gets a least bit uncomfortable, we're not sport. According to Dave, for entertainment. Again, another example, when I say Dave Meltzer is transparent as a glass of water,

this is the type of shit I mean. It's just bizarre to me. And here's what I think Tony and Dave and any of the other talents in AEW who are bemoaning the fact that there's quote unquote tribalism, which is such a bitch word anyway, but tribalism and wrestling it started at AEW from the top all the way down and still exist to this day within your programming guys you're creating it yourselves and then you whine about it

maybe because it's the only thing people will talk about when really when it comes to your program but it's amazing to me the amount of ink that gets spilled about how AEW is being treated it's so unfairly, and I think part of the reason is because guys like Dave Meltzer are trying so hard to defend it that it puts a sour taste in everybody's mouth that reads anything Dave writes that's positive about AEW because everybody understands why he's doing it

and has nothing to do with his insight or analytic abilities. It has everything to do with emotionally, he's as invested in AEW as Tony Kahn and his father are financially because AEW represents to Dave Meltzer, what Dave Meltzer has been screaming for and pounding the pavement for in terms of what Dave Meltzer thinks the television audience in the United States needs to see in order to grow. In fact, it was Dave Meltzer early on in AEW's evolution where Dave said it's likely only going to take a couple of years, before AEW overtakes the WWE because of its emphasis on the Japanese style of wrestling. I shit you're not.

And now that I think it's becoming obvious for even guys like Dave and Tony Condice, I think, I hope, it ain't working. So Dave is, he's invested, he's not invested financially. I'm not one of the people that think he was being paid. I never did. but I do think emotionally this is like Dave's wet dream come true only it's not the kind of wet dream he was hoping for this is one that's drowning right and and I think Dave's seeing it go down the way he is is probably one of the things that has tilted him so because he's been on tilt now for a few months and just watching his replies and you know the number of people that block he blocks because he just doesn't like the reaction to him I think I think he's going full tilt. But hey, no, there's probably more of that. All right, guys, blink if you haven't purchased a Father's Day gift yet. Yeah, I thought so. Well, today's episode is brought to you by Manscaped,

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Russellbiz. Never forget where you came from if you know what I mean. Happy Father's Day from everybody at Manscaped. I see Mr. Whisper coming in here dancing up to the table. Miguel Whisper. what's going on what we got mr whisper i was watching the collision in korea episode on dark side of the ring one thing i noticed missing was your reaction to the fight between

hawk and scorpio how did you react when you heard about the fight going on in the middle of all that i didn't really well first of i didn't see it so it's i tend not to try to talk about things in too much detail that i haven't seen firsthand and by the time i was made aware of it because we were separated as groups. There were two different groups. It might have been even three different groups at that point. We were out kind of touring famous sites throughout North Korea. And by the time I heard about it, it had been over for quite a while and everything had already been settled down.

So disappointed, grateful. Things didn't get out of hand or worse. But, yeah, just another day at the office, to be honest. It just happened to it. This office was in North Korea. And why was it supposed to be there according to my own government? And their government wasn't exactly thrilled of the fact that I was there either.

So that was a fun situation. Good question. I love talking about North Korea. One of the coolest things I've done. I mean, really, if I think about all the things I've done in wrestling, some of it, obviously, you know, the stuff we did on television, it was fun and all those big moments. But of the things that really impacted my life,

very few of them had the impression on me that that trip to North Korea did. it opened my eyes in a way that you can't learn it, you can't study it, no matter how hard or how long you try, you cannot possibly understand the impact of government censorship until you've been in a country like North Korea. It is unbelievable, the brainwashing and level of indoctrination. We talk about it here in the United States, and I think it is an issue here in the United States. Don't get me wrong. But compared to what I saw firsthand, I literally had people, journalists in North Korea explaining to me that North Korea, the dear leader, as they call him, in North Korea is the one that ended World War II.

by defeating the Japanese. They have no knowledge of America's role in that, of the atomic bomb, Nagasaki, Hiroshima. Nothing. They think the dear leader descended from a fucking mountain top and found a way through his sheer Sun Tzu-like cunning to defeat the Japanese and the rest of the world single-handedly. That's government censorship.

That's government. indoctrination until you see it with your own eyes and hear people talking to you that have been indoctrinated in that kind of a system, you can't comprehend just how bizarre it is. There are two different worlds. They live in one and we live in another. It's really scary. But to see it firsthand, amazing, amazing experience. I wouldn't have traded it.

But it turned out the way it did. It could have been worse. All right. What do you got? More questions. Let's get another question before we find any more stupid shit that Dave Meltzer says. Danielle Simeon became a YouTube member. Yo, Danielle, I'll be cutting some exclusive tapes.

Just kind of walking around here in Wyoming, especially when the weather gets nice. You know, the rodeo starts tonight? Every night from June 1st, starting tonight to September 1st or that weekend, we have a rodeo every single night. It's one of the coolest rodeos in the state of Wyoming. every single night. So I'm going to, yeah, I might go to the rodeo tonight. I love going to the rodeo.

If I do, I'll take some video and I'll send it to our exclusive members because I like to share my life with shit I do that. It doesn't have anything to do with wrestling. All right. Jay, from Windy City with Saturday, Eric. I know you're more of a promo guy than a match guy, but you at least have a favorite match or list of favorites you've ever seen. Oh, of course I do.

Don't get me wrong. I mean, I think I have more to contribute as a commentator or as a director or producer when it comes to promos and creating a character and all that because that's where my passion is and I've done it. So I have first-hand experience in what worked for me and what didn't work for me and what I've seen working with others. I've had a lot of experience directing talent. And I actually love that more than just about anything in the business because it's

just fun for me. It's like creating, so like a piece of clay, and you can create a really cool statue out of it and bronze it and polish it and, and help to develop skills in people that don't have a lot of experience. I find that to be really fun. But that doesn't mean that I don't like great matches. And as far as a list of matches, I don't know, pick any cruiserweight match from any time in 1997 or 1998. Pick any one of those, especially if Ray or Dean or Christian Jericho or Eddie or any one of the luchadors or I don't know. Just so many, a lot of the Japanese that would come over. I mean, come on.

All of those matches were phenomenal. I think any one of them would hold up as one of the best matches of the year if it was a fresh match today. They're great. So I love great matches. I love matches that tell stories. Just like I love music that tells stories. You know what my favorite type of music is? My favorite genre.

It's 60s Motown because that's where I grew up. That music had a tremendous influence on me. So much so that about a month and a half ago, I was in Detroit visiting family, and I went over to Hittsville, USA, to the Motown Museum. Barry Gordish, former residents turned into the offices of Motown. back in the 50s and 60s.

Fascinating story, by the way. Barry Gordy and Motown, unbelievable story about the way they created and produced music and developed talent and had everything under one room. Barry Gordy was so far ahead of his time. But I digress.

We're not here to talk about Barry Gordy. We're here to talk about matches and what I look for in a match and like in a match. I like matches that tell stories just like I like Motown in the 60s because those songs all tell stories. And a lot of contemporary songs do as well. But those are the things that I tend to enjoy more than others.

And I can see it when I see a great match, I don't know, go back to Sean Michael or any current angle match, any Sean Michael's match, any Randy Orton match to this day. Kevin Owens, come on. There's a lot of guys to tell great stories in the ring. And they do so with intense physicality and athleticism, but not at the expense of the story. nobody's out there screaming or are hoping for a this is awesome moment because they're sucked into the story I think there are two different approaches to a match one gets people hurt all the fucking time

because the talent's out there constantly trying to one up the crap that they saw in a match or two before them and it's all this suicide high spot just spot after spot after spot after spot sell who sells nobody fucking sells if i sell i'm going to sell dead for a minute i'm going to come back like superman i pretend nothing never happened that's what we see when we go for the super high risk adam copeland my friend adam i love you brother you know i do and i so much respect for you work but adam what were you thinking what were you thinking coming down like that yes you're 50 years old

you know that but you knew that that bump would be that what you did would be that what you did would be dangerous if you're in your 30s had nothing to do with your 50s yes 50s makes it harder to come back from because take it for me you won't heal as fast at 50 as you did at 30 but the odds for injury is still there right it's just a horribly dangerous move and for what i ask animal i know you man you're a team player you're a competitor you put a lot of pressure on yourself you know i was so proud of the acting that you did, I enjoyed watching your character. You're just an amazing performer, but you're doing things that just don't make sense for anybody at any age. You need by example, my friend, because you are a great one, and that company needs that type of an example.

Because as long as everybody's going to try to out-suicide each other and drop each other on their heads and put them, out of commission for weeks or months at a time because let's face it, nobody's working on the road. That's a dangerous thing, brother. When you're only working on TV and pay-per-view and then on pay-per-views, you're throwing yourself around like you've been working six days a week for six months straight. Your body's not ready for that.

And that's why there's so many injuries. And those injuries take you out of commission. And even if there is a storyline, which it often times are not in AEW, not one that matters anyway. If there is a storyline, it's the end of it because you're out. We're doing some silly shit that doesn't matter at the end of the day. And outside of the locker room and the boys putting each other over for the crazy shit that they were doing and how awesome it was, nobody else will remember. Because they remember the stories, not the bumps.

All right, that's it. Off my soap stool for the day, at least on that subject. We got some more questions. Come on. We're going to get some more to Dave Meltzer stupid shit. SG, strike, sports. It's 2 a.m. in Singapore. Oh, that is awesome.

Big fan. What are your thoughts about TNA and WW partnership? Do you think TNA will ever collab with AEW? Have no idea as far as AEW and TNA. I find it interesting, and I've seen a little bit of chatter about TNA and WWE. Also saw some interesting chatter about Nick Kahn showing up out in L.A. at some indie events, which I find really, really fascinating how this guy who is probably one of, at one point, you know, the three or four most powerful people in Hollywood and probably

still maintains a pretty high level of respect in that area, is checking out indie wrestling scenes. I don't know. I doubt he's doing it just for fun in his spare time. So the fact that there appears to be at least some level of interest by top management in WWE in smaller promotions that are emerging, they're developing. Perhaps there's a creative strategy there or a business strategy or both. And if so, I'm there for it because I think it's very underserved. There's a lot of exciting stuff happening out on the independent scene. And when I say exciting, I don't mean big getting, nobody's getting rich. Man, there's some great stories out there.

There's some fascinating people, you know, promoting and that have full-time day jobs, but, you know, promoting out of passion, you know, their whole family's involved. The kids are involved. Dad's involved. Neighbors involved. Cousins are involved. It's kind of cool. Not just what you see in the ring, but what you see outside of the ring on the IndyC.

So maybe, who knows? the fuck, I don't know anything. I'm just sitting here in my tree house in Wyoming. Having fun with you guys. God, this is fun, isn't it? I hope you guys are having fun. I'm having a blast. IST.

Good one. Is it possible that Warner Brothers Discovery extends an offer to Tony for rights that includes condition of a producer taking over the reins? Anything's possible. Look, think of it this way. Tony is

Tony is a producer. His job is to produce television that hopefully he can sell to a buyer. It's no different than any other business. If you have chickens and your chickens lay eggs, then your job is to sell eggs to customers. And the customers usually get to kind of lay out the terms, especially my experience, dealing with networks.

Let me take a drink a lot. I'm losing my voice. uh i can't do that on a podcast but i was told by my shirpa guides me in the antenna said you can just you know do whatever you want feel natural people want to see you in your natural environment so there you go uh where was i where was i where was i i i forgot that that's my natural environment all right oh is it possible yeah absolutely Network, in my experience, networks have all kinds of language they can put into a contract to provide them a sense of security. They could easily appoint a network executive who has final say over the contents of the program.

In other words, and by the way, that's the way it usually is. That's what's so fascinating to me. I'm so glad you brought this up. I see how about that? because it's really a big deal. And any other, you know, I've, with my partner, Jason Hervey, from about 2000 to 2001, 2002, to about 2014. So a good 10, 12 years. We were producing, not just producing for other people.

We were creating the idea, a piece of paper, fleshing it out, turning it into a presentation, pitching it the idea to networks. And then when we sold the idea, then we would actually produce it, deliver it to the network. So we were kind of a full turnkey production facility. And we produced a lot of television, non-wrestling related, for just about every cable out there, every cable outlet, as well as NBC. And you learn a lot through that process, even though it had nothing to do with wrestling. Some of it was similar. Some of it wasn't.

But one thing that I did learn is that in any other form of entertainment, particularly scripted entertainment every single syllable of every word is approved by the network now some producers directors may have more latitude than others the small handful that have maximum leverage because they're that successful but the vast majority of independent restaurants or television production companies The network approval is tantam up. So the fact that it probably doesn't exist right now in your current agreement, may not, or perhaps Turner has just not decided to exercise it. But if Turner treated AEW like they treat any other producer other than AEW, they would have a network executive or more approving every single frame of that show. Is there a possibility they could do something?

something like that. It's not out of the realm of possibility because it's standard operating procedure in any other form of television. Great question. I am so proud of the listeners of this show. You watch us here on YouTube. You listen to 83 weeks. You guys are smart. You ask smart questions. I love that. All right. We got any more Dave Meltz? Oh, let's do one more. And we'll go back to Dave Monser because we can't let them off the hook quite yet. Listen from Warrads, is it possible? Meltzer has had a hand in AEW's booking, which is, in part, why he defends it so vociferously.

See what I mean? See what I mean? You think any of Jim Coronet's listeners use the word vociferously in a question? I don't. Not a one. nobody nobody gets the level of intellect sheer intellect pound for pound the smartest wrestling audience anywhere right here on wise choices i you know i think walrats it's kind of like

what i was saying earlier i do i think he i think he has had influence just because of the proximity that melzer has to tony and the similar ways of which they think and approach the business So absolutely, and I think anybody that's close to the situation, if they were going to be honest and were worried about their check, would agree with me. I don't know if he sits down in an actual, you know, creative writing room capacity, but absolutely he's got a lot of influence. And I think that's why, because he does have, he's emotionally invested. He's not financially invested.

I don't think. I wouldn't imagine. But, meaning, I don't think he's getting paid. I don't want to suggest that. I don't do that kind of shit. Dax. But Dave is invested emotionally. And that's why he's defending so ridiculously vociferously.

That was a tongue twister. Great question, no, Walranz. I love it for you. All right. Dave Meltzer, stupid shit. What do we got? Well, this one, Eric, actually came in, and I'll read it to you and get your response. This is coming from at Leifer underscore WWE.

So according to Dave Meltzer, Willow Nightingale versus Mercedes Monet at Double or Nothing was equal to. And then he lists the matches that I'm about to list. But Dave Meltzer ranked their match at Double or Nothing, four and a half stars. Now that's higher than matches from this following list. Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, WrestleMania 3. Brett Hart, Davey Boy Smith, SummerSlam, 92. Brett Hart, Owenhart, WrestleMania 10. Sean Michaels, Razor Ramon, WrestleMania, 10.

Sean Michaels versus Mankind, Mind Games 96. Steve Austin versus Brett Hart Survivor Series 96 Steve Austin versus Brett Hart WrestleMania 13 Rock versus Stone Cold

WrestleMania 17 Oh my God Randy Orton versus Mick Foley Backlash 2004 Kurt Angle Olympic gold medalist versus Sean Michaels

WrestleMania 21 Oh, whoa! Wait, you're going to love this one. Sean Michaels versus Undertaker, WrestleMania 25. Sean Michaels versus Undertaker, WrestleMania 26. Triple Eight versus Undertaker,

WrestleMania 27. Seampunk versus Undertaker. Becky Lynch versus Charlotte Flair. And the list goes on and on. Whatever you say, Dave. This is why no one takes this goof serious. I am, Mr. Silva, a.k.a. Have you ever known me to be speechless? Never, never. Six freaking years we've been working together.

Hundreds. Six years, we probably have three, I don't know, 600 hours of content we've done together. At least. And I don't think I've ever been speechless. I am now. I believe that's what I mean, that's, Dave is, well, let's play this. Let's show up this next, this, this sums it up, this Dave Meltzer post. I think, I think that if fans on all sides don't hate you, you are actually, you actually are horribly biased because the hardcore, lunatics on each side, the hardcore lunatics on each side are so biased, they can't see straight.

Dave, I think seeing straight is kind of the issue here. I mean, I get it, right? It's your buddies over at AEW. I mean, this Willow, and we know, she's an emotional favorite, right? We want to see her do well. She's young. She's developing. She's got great charisma.

We're kind of cheering for her because, you know, let's face it, she's the underdog. She's in there with Mercedes. I get it. But that match was at best. Not that embarrassing. That's it. That's what that match was.

It just wasn't that embarrassing. It wasn't bad. Well, no, it was. Technically speaking, it was sloppy. Willow, lack of experience, not talent or ability or potential, lack of experience, was trying to do things she wasn't capable of doing well yet. And it came off to be very awkward. Mercedes looked like she was having a match all by herself sometimes,

and it looked good. She looked crisp. She had a lot of athleticism, which clearly is the only thing that appeals to you, Dave, because the match itself was, okay, and to see that match and then rate it more favorably, not that your ratings make any sense to me at all anyway, but this is another obvious reason why I feel that way,

to suggest that that match was somehow better than that laundry list of classic matches that will go down in history and no one will remember Mercedes and Willow by this time next week. just what the fuck Dave and you wonder why there's tribalism because you go to such an obvious fucking length to cover AEW's ass because you're so emotionally invested and you want AW to succeed not because you just want something else to write about because if Tony succeeds that you will have been proven right after all these decades of being proven wrong. She wants a lifetime shot to get it right. And guess what? You won't. And you know it.

But being so obvious and transparent is to make statements like that. And then wonder why people are ripping you to shreds and laughing at you and you're losing credibility every time you inhale and exhale, you lose just a little bit more credibility. Just don't try so hard. do what you do best Dave cover the history tell us who what where when but stay away from the business analysis because you're so fucking wrong but yet the harder you try to defend the more people find not only you but AEW to be a joke so lay off you might be given them a helping hand you never know all right let's do a couple more questions we're going to wrap this up I've been here longer than I promised I said I would.

Anyway, Cameron, Nesbeth, hello, Eric, what would it take for TNA to become true? Third option where talent could seriously consider it to go to. Here's what it's going to take. Television. Without the television revenue, without the licensing revenue that television potentially has, they don't tour, they're never going to make enough money on paper boost to sustain any growth, more or less probably really stay in business, unless and until TNA is a, able to find a way to make a significant portion of their annual revenue from a television

licensing deal that is going to be sufficient to let them produce a girl show. They're going to continue to do what they're doing now, regardless of the quality or the talent, the quality of the show or the talent of the people behind the scenes or in front of the camera. It just is what it is. Okay. That was a hell of an answer. Mark Barrow. Greetings from the UK. Well, thank you, brother. I appreciate you being here. Longtime fan from the very first episode.

Love you for that. What's your opinion on Bray's brother continuing the Uncle Howdy plan? I was hoping no one was going to ask me that, to be honest. I have such a strong but mixed feeling. one part of me is thinking man that would be so cool i mean that would be if it works that would be such a cool thing for everybody but the odds of it working are pretty risky And if it doesn't work, it will be more impactful than any other idea would if it didn't work.

I mean, there's going to be so much focus on it. It's going to go either way if they do it. And if it goes great, it's going to go awesomely. But if it doesn't go great, it's going to go really, really bad. and that level of risk is just, it's there. So it makes me a little bit uncomfortable with it. But we're going to find out, I hope, soon we'll know, right? We'll judge it because that's what we do.

We judge things. I try not to, you know, judge not, let's not be judged, not to get preaching here, but I try to remind myself of that every single day. And I'm not there yet, but I'm trying. Danielle ain't enough. I love it. I love it.

We're broadening our demo here. We're bringing women into the tent. I love that. Go into the weeds with this one, but how does AdBind differ from Robbing on USA to when they go to Netflix? By the way, missed your call yesterday. Oh, Danielle, I told you, I think I left you a message.

I said, I will call you today. Daniel's an ad-free shows member, and I like to occasionally on ad-free shows, I just randomly call people out of the blue and shoot the shit and find out what's going on in their lives and all that good stuff. And I called Danielle yesterday and message. But Danielle, hang tight. If you see that no caller ID come up, you know, it's probably me.

Okay. How will it be different? To be honest, I can't answer that because I don't know what ad sales looks like inside of Netflix. I have some idea what it looks like inside of USA because it's pretty much the same as it was. structurally, for the last 25 to 30 years. But I don't know what it's like at Netflix. That's a new business model that I've never been involved in. So we're going to find out, you know, hopefully to look,

the goodness that Netflix has so much money. They've got so much money. Still, even though they've had to tighten things up and they took a dip in subscriptions and things have gotten more competitive, Netflix was so far out in front in terms of creating original content and aggregating top content. It'll be hard for anybody to really catch up. So it'll be interesting to see, though, you know, five,

whatever it was, $5 billion a year, whatever it was. Fuck, it's a lot of money. Whatever it was, it's a lot of money. All right.

Any more questions? We've got some Gondachonko. Wow. I love it. We're talking to people all over the world here. This is so awesome. Herrick, love from South.

Africa. Thoughts on Brown Breakers' use on Raw and current story with Adam Pierce. He's doing big numbers on WWE socials. I haven't been watching the story close enough to give an honest reaction to it. I have been watching Braun, do check in on him, have a strong opinion of him, and I think we're watching the future unfold before our very eyes with Braun. And there are others, but Braun in particular, he's just, and I'm so excited for him because he's got so much ability, he's got the look, he's got the athleticism, he's got the instinct, but they, meaning WWE, are giving him time to really, really develop. So he's out there now in the main roster, there's no, there's a learning curve, but it's not

going to be evident to those of us who are just watching for fun. he's going to be so ready for this. And I'm excited. Can you tell? I'm excited. Thank you for the question. And thank you for joining us from South Africa and for the welcome. I appreciate that. I really do. It's so cool. This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew. Let's talk about sex. I mean, Conrad's favorite subject. But since Conrad's not here, let's talk about it anyway.

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It's one of the things I love about doing this. Eric Zeissmer, Zizmer. Zizmer Zizmer. It's German, it would be Zismer. Do you think they could have a ladder match these days just using one ladder and only one like Sean and Scott did? They made it work also AW fans used this is awesome. chant too often. Oh, I know. I mean, it's like, ugh. Nothing says Pavlov's dog, like,

this is awesome. I mean, every time I see that or hear that, I just want to throw out little milk bones to all the little Pavlovian dogs in the audience. Can you tell how I feel about that? You know, I don't know, Sean and Scott, two amazing, amazing athletes that probably were in the top 2% when it came to, not only physically being able to have a great match with a ladder involved, but the psychology between those two, the storytelling, I don't know, could it be done? Sure, anything can be done if anybody uses their imagination and commits to it. sure it could be done I think the better question is will it be done I don't think so

not for a long time and maybe it shouldn't be done because if it is done it would have to be compared to that match it would be hard to be compared to that match so I wouldn't want to do it for that very reason I don't know I have two ladders

I want to have one ladder I want to have two ladders easy way out cool though and I agree on the chant brother oh my God this is awesome Mortland

My name is Corey. I live outside of Idaho Falls. Pretty sure you know where it is. Absolutely do. As we are Idaho, Wyoming residents. So what's the over and under before someone pets a bison

and go swimming in the North Bayside? Okay, this is a great question. Only someone from this area meeting around Yellowstone National Park would get, but every year, I shit you not. This happens every year, sometimes more than once. A lot of the locals bet on over and under on when it's going to happen.

Will it happen before the end of May? Will it happen before June 15th, so on? They bet because you get these tourists, they come in from all over the country. God bless them because it sustains a lot of the families that live here and live off the tourism business. So I'm not knocking tourists. I'm going to point out that every year

somebody coming from New York or Boston or wherever go to Yellowstone and they see these buffalo standing on the side of the road because they're everywhere. They're wild. They're not tame.

They're not there for you. you to take a selfie with. It's not why they're there. They're there because they've been there for thousands of years. It is a national park. And they roam. So when you're driving through

and you see a bunch of them on the side of the road, you're kind of intruding on their space. They're not intruding on yours. I know it's a weird concept. And when you get out of your car, because after all, they look tame. They look cute. You want to take your picture with one.

I'll get lots of likes, you say to yourself, and you get out, and you walk up to this buffalo. It was just staring at you because you're not a threat. Trust me, you are not a threat. And you get close enough, and maybe you're so excited about taking a selfie with this buffalo. You don't realize that there's a little tiny buffalo right behind Mama Buffalo. You don't know it because you're dumb enough to think that these are just tame animals

and they're there for you to take a picture with, so you're not really thinking about much. And you kind of scoot up to that Mama Buffalo and you go to take a picture and she tramples you. Or she gores you as happened, I think last year of the year, or gets underneath you and tosses you about 60 feet in the air and then tramples you. Oh, my God, the stories. One time there was a story, this was several years ago, I shits you not. A guy sees elk on the side of the road. He takes his little kid out to the where he sees the elk.

They're about 40, 60, 80 feet off the side of the road. The elk standing to look at him. He decides to put his child on the back of an elk like a fucking pony and a circus. The child lived. So did the father. I'm not sure he should have, but he did. It's up to God. I'd have then hurt a little bit if I was in that position, but whatever. Unbelievable. And it happens every year. Happens every year. All right, man, thanks for that. I'm sure everybody loved hearing my opinion about tourists in Yellowstone. That's why I don't go to Yellowstone the summertime. Absolutely refuse to go to summertime. All right, this is fun. Thank you all for joining us.

I was told never to do long goodbyes. YouTube hates long goodbyes. So, all right, get everyone, get the hell out of here. I'll see you next time. Don't forget Tuesday, right after who killed WCW. I'm going to be going live right here. Going to get my honest reaction. No bullshit.

No blowing smoke up anybody's ass. It's going to be the real deal. I want to hear what you think too. All right, now I'm really out of here. See ya.