99% Invisible - 344- The Known Unknown

Episode Date: March 6, 2019

The tradition of the Tomb of the Unknowns goes back only about a century, but it has become one of the most solemn and reverential monuments. When President Reagan added the remains of an unknown serv...iceman who died in combat in Vietnam to the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery in 1984, it was the only set of remains that couldn’t be identified from the war. Now, thankfully, there will never likely be a soldier who dies in battle whose body can’t be identified. And as a result of DNA technology, even the unknowns currently interred in the tomb can be positively identified. The Known Unknown

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is 99% invisible. I'm Roman Mars. I fell of Americans. Memorial Day is a day of ceremony and speeches. Throughout America today we honor the dead of our wars. Whatever you think about Ronald Reagan, they called him the great communicator for a reason. The unknown soldier who is returned to us today and whom we later rest to symbolic of all our missing sons. This is him in 1984 during a military funeral at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery. On that memorial day, Reagan was eulogizing the remains of an unidentified servicemember
Starting point is 00:00:40 from the Vietnam War. The remains would be entombed alongside three other unknown service members from World War I and II and the Korean War. It was a big event. That's our own Joe Rosenberg. A horse-drawn carriage brought the casket to the tomb past 250,000 onlookers, including hundreds of veterans who emerged out of the crowd to walk behind the remains on their way to Arlington.
Starting point is 00:01:03 The most powerful part though, as when Reagan talks about who this unknown soldier might have been. Did he play on some street in a great American city? Or did he work with the side his father on a farm out in America's heartland? Did he marry? Did he have children? Did he look expectantly to return to a bride? We'll never know the answers to these questions about his life. As Reagan spoke, etched on the side of the tomb itself with words, known but to God.
Starting point is 00:01:35 It's all really moving, even knowing what we know now. Just that, although the person being buried that day might have been unknown to the public, a lot about his identity actually was known. The government likely even knew that he had a family who would like to have his body back, but they buried him anyway. How to honor unidentified remains has always been one of the great conundrums of war. The Romans were fond of honoring them with an empty sarcophagus. After the Civil War, the Union buried 2,111 soldiers in a mass grave in Arlington that they purposefully built on top of Robert E. Lee's Rose Garden. It wasn't until the
Starting point is 00:02:16 20th century that it occurred to anyone to bury a single unknown soldier in a public setting. This sort of memorialization came about from World War One. This is Robert Poole. He's a former executive editor for National Geographic, who wrote a book about Arlington called On Hallowed Ground. And he says World War One ushered in an era of total war and mass participation in which the combatants on both sides were mostly ordinary citizens. Anonymous every man's, often rendered literally anonymous,
Starting point is 00:02:46 amidst the violence of the Western Front. Everything about the war, not only the numbers, but the nature of it, was dehumanizing. Nobody who went through that war was ever the same again. And there was a British chaplain who was in the worst of the fighting on the front lines named David Ralton. Ralton would spend his nights conducting funeral services over the remains of soldiers ripped apart by shell fire, often burying them on the spot, sometimes unmask and the giant
Starting point is 00:03:17 craters the shells had left behind. And while he was there, he thought about how terrible it was that there were these people who were essentially forgotten buried in their graves and nobody would ever remember them, and that there should be something better than that for them. And it was around this time that David Rilton came across a temporary grave, a few miles behind the front, marked by a cross bearing the name of a regiment and the words, an unknown British soldier. And he realized, if you had a mass grave with 2,000 people in it, then it's a mass grave with 2,000 people in it.
Starting point is 00:03:57 It's not an individual who had a life. Something about having a particular person makes it more real, more human. After the war, Railton advocated for a grave bearing the body of a single soldier to bring the impossibly large tragedy down to a human scale. The soldiers in an imiti would allow each person who came to the grave to project whatever it was most important to them onto the mystery. It didn't matter if you wanted to honor all those who served, or merely those who died, those who volunteered, or those who were drafted, or even whether you were for the war or against it. Everyone was free to mourn in their own way."
Starting point is 00:04:37 And sure enough, when Britain dedicated the grave of an unknown warrior in Westminster Abbey in 1920, it was an overnight success. The dedication alone attracted so many mourners, the line for viewing lasted 10 days. And Britain's unknown warrior wasn't the only one. Britain, France, Romania, Italy, everybody at the same time jumped on this idea. Over 50 countries would end up building similar memorials. in part because the formula was so easy to follow. All you needed was the body of a single unknown soldier. The American memorial is especially beautiful.
Starting point is 00:05:14 It sits at the top of a hill that overlooks the rest of Arlington Cemetery. In starting in 1937, it has been watched over day and night without a single interruption by a lone guard forever marching back and forth in front of the tomb. No one knows which service the remains are from, so instead of soldier or sailor or marine, they're simply referred to as the unknown. In fact, anything that narrows the scope of who this person could be, including where exactly they were found, is purposefully withheld from the public in order to make sure that they represent everyone who fought.
Starting point is 00:05:52 The tomb has become one of the Washington, D.C. areas biggest tourist attractions. But in 1956, we made one small seemingly innocent change to the formula of the unknown that would end up proving tricky. We began adding a new set of unidentified remains for every subsequent war. World War II, Korea, and eventually Vietnam. Each war would get their own unknown. Which made sense, there were lots of unknowns to choose from.
Starting point is 00:06:22 At least at first. In World War I, there were something like 1,648 unknowns. World War II, the unknowns were 8,526. A Korean War, 848. And then the last war in which we had an unknown Vietnam. 4. Thanks to improved battlefield evacuation tactics, the Vietnam War produced only four sets of unidentified remains that could potentially go into the tomb. And then, as more information about those remains was discovered, it was down to three,
Starting point is 00:07:01 then down to two, then down to one. One set of remains for all of Vietnam, who was unknown. That single set of remains, the one Reagan eulogized in that movie in Ceremony in 1984, in which was presented to the public as the unknown soldier was referred to internally as X26. But his actual name was Michael Blassie. There's not supposed to be favorites in families, right? This is Patricia Blassie. But the first born just has something about them. Michael Blassie was Patricia's oldest brother.
Starting point is 00:07:40 He was the oldest of five actually in the Blassie family. So growing up in St. Louis in the 1960s and 70s, she looked up to him. He was actually very good at anything that he did. Patricia says that Michael was constantly bouncing between activities, mastering each one before moving on to the next. School, music, sports. You know, I think he could have done whatever he wanted to, but then he received an appointment to the Air Force, and he fell in love with flying at the Academy. At flight school, Michael was assigned to fly a ground attack aircraft known as the A37, dubbed the Dragonfly or sometimes the Super Tweet.
Starting point is 00:08:18 It was designed to fly low over its target. Pilots loved it because that closer the ground, with the landscape rushing by, the sense of flight, speed, of combat was heightened. To the uninitiated, of course, all these things made flying the A-37 downright terrifying. But I don't remember Michael ever saying anything about being afraid of it. And so once he graduated, it was off to pilot training. Then from there, it was off to survival training. And from there, it was off to Vietnam. And I remember seeing him get on the aircraft in St. Louis. And I remember him looking back and waving to us with that beautiful smile. And I just remember thinking, oh, we'll see him again.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I think we all did. By 1972, when Michael Blassie was deployed, America's military presence in Southeast Asia was shrinking rapidly. There were fewer than 25,000 U.S. servicemen left in Vietnam, as opposed to over 500,000 who had been deployed by the late 1960s. The war was, in effect, winding down, but it was still dangerous, and there was still a lot of combat going on. This is Bill Thomas. He's a reporter who wrote about Michael Blassy
Starting point is 00:09:41 for the Washington Post, and he says that the American servicemen who remained behind were stretched then. They had to do a lot with a little. And that meant Michael was going to see a lot of combat. He arrived in Vietnam in January of 72. And by May of 1972? He had flown something like 130 missions. So virtually almost every day, he had at least one combat, sometimes two combat missions. So virtually almost every day, he had at least one combat, sometimes two combat
Starting point is 00:10:07 missions. The A37 that Michael flew had a good record up to that point in Vietnam, only if you had gotten hit. But when they were hit, things could get ugly fast. Because it could take all kinds of fire, I mean you're flying 400 feet in the air and you get hit, you're not going to be able to parachute out of the plane. So that made it very dangerous. Michael would always take off in land from a protected airbase near Saigon,
Starting point is 00:10:31 but his missions had him flying over a lot of dangerous places. And the most dangerous was arguably a town in South Vietnam called An Locke. In 1972, An Locke was occupied by the South Vietnamese military, along with a handful of American advisors, but it was under siege by an invading North Vietnamese army. The siege lasted a very, very long time. It went on for months. And I encountered a guy who was in Ann Locke, Chris Calhoun.
Starting point is 00:11:01 And he said he described it as a scene out of apocalypse now. The city of Ann Locke was totally totally leveled it looked like Hiroshima. This is Chris Calhoun. He was stationed in Anlock as an army ranger during the majority of the siege, and he often resorted to analogies as a way of explaining just how awful it was there. At one point he described the South Vietnamese wounded with their meager medical support, as looking like something out of the Civil War. Anlock was completely cut off from the rest of the world.
Starting point is 00:11:30 We got food and ammunition by parachute drop every day. We were under constant shell fire. Chris's duty in the midst of all this chaos was to call in air strikes. And it was Michael Blasie's quadrant that was providing the air support. They were flying bombing runs over and lock nearly every day. Michael and Chris never actually spoke one-on-one. Their time there didn't quite overlap. But Chris did get to know a lot of Michael's squadron mates really well.
Starting point is 00:11:58 And we would talk on a radio. They'd read me stars and stripes. Stars and stripes is the US military's independently run daily paper. Why would they read me stars and stripes. Stars and stripes is the US military's independently run daily paper. Why would they read you stars and stripes? Well, it was my only contact with the outside world. But in Anlock, they would be over us almost 24 hours a day. And they kept the North Vietnamese off our back. So these were people who I owed my life to.
Starting point is 00:12:21 And it was on one of these bombing runs, keeping the North Vietnamese off their backs, that Michael Blassy flew his 130 second in final mission. We'll never know exactly what happened on May 11, 1972. Witnesses recall that day's fighting as being particularly intense and chaotic. So a lot of what we do know comes from Blassy's commanding officer, who was flying in a plane alongside Blassie's. And he said, the thing he remembered most of all was how bright everything was. The sky would have been filled with various planes and helicopters, each going after a separate target, but also tracer rounds being fired from multiple enemy aircraft guns. And they were taking ground fire the whole time,
Starting point is 00:13:05 but because they were flying into the sun, they couldn't see where it was coming from. So this just added to the confusion of the battle. And somewhere in the midst of the blinding sun and the chaos and confusion, Michael's plane was hit by ground fire. And remember, Michael's plane was designed to fly low. When he got hit, he was no more than 500 feet above the ground.
Starting point is 00:13:27 And he had lost control of the plane. Blessy's plane began streaming fuel, inverted, and then disappeared into the jungle below. And there was no distress signal, which indicates that the pilot had probably been killed instantly. Michael's plane had crashed deep in North Vietnamese held territory. A helicopter team tried to get to the crash site, but due to heavy enemy fire, they'd leave after just a few minutes, empty handed. After that, there didn't seem to be any way to get to
Starting point is 00:13:55 the site or find out exactly what had happened. Michael Blassy was declared missing in action and presumed dead. The Blassy family was informed that Michael's body would not be coming home. But with, I don't, it's the strangest thing that when there is no body, there is no gathering. When Michael died, it wasn't the first time Patricia had to deal with the loss of a close family member. Both her parents came from big families, lots of aunts and uncles, lots of funerals. And she says that anytime someone passed away, they processed it by gathering together at the funeral
Starting point is 00:14:31 and just talking about the person's life, who they were, how much everyone missed them. But this time, without a body to place beneath the tombstone, the family opted not to have a funeral. I mean, there was a memorial gathering, but it still wasn't the same. We didn't talk about it. Everyone just was, I remember it's just like quiet. And then it was just like, well, we'll go on with our lives and try to be normal. Well, it wasn't normal.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Patricia says that Michael's death, or rather the not talking about Michael's death, ended up putting a strain on her parents' marriage. They later separated, and Patricia joined the Air Force, eventually attaining the rank of Colonel. Life in other words, went on, even as the topic of Michael sat undiscussed and unfinished. It was just sort of put on over on a shelf, this thing that we didn't get to deal with. And it didn't resurrect itself until 26 years later
Starting point is 00:15:34 after he was killed. We realized where he was. In 1994, more than two decades after Michael had been killed, both Patricia and her mother received a phone call from a complete stranger. And he said, I'm Ted Sampley, and I am a former Green Beret who has served in Vietnam. Ted Sampley has since passed away, but back then he was sort of this minor celebrity, championed the cause of Vietnam POWs and MIAs.
Starting point is 00:16:04 He was convinced the government wasn't telling veterans everything it knew. And he was calling Patricia without landish theory about Michael's death. I mean, there wasn't anything in his voice that was like angry or, you know, he would just matter a fact. But he said, I started researching who was shot down on May 11th, 1972. And, you know, what was found with them, and would that be on a fighter aircraft? His evidence was circumstantial,
Starting point is 00:16:30 and his logic was long-winded. But he said, I believe your brothers in the tomb of the unknowns. But the body from Vietnam that President Reagan had buried with pomp and ceremony in 1984 wasn't unknown at all. That it wasn't fact, Michael.
Starting point is 00:16:51 At first, Patricia didn't know what to make of any of this. As far as she knew, Michael's body had never even been recovered. And remember, she herself was in the Air Force. So after getting off the phone with Sampley, she called up the Air Force casualty office and asked, could this be true? Could Michael B in the tomb of the unknown soldier? And they said by no means is there anything to substantiate that your brother's in the tomb? And I said, well, you know what? Thank you very much because that is the craziest story that I could ever imagine that a known soldier was in the tomb of the end-nones. I mean, you know, I don't know. That's the crazy. It's just, it just didn't make sense.
Starting point is 00:17:31 I thought this is the best example of internet conspiracy garbage I've seen to date. This is Vince Gonzalez. He was a young reporter at CBS Denver when he accidentally came across a post Ted Sampley had made on the internet about his theory that Michael Blassy had been buried in the two of the unknowns. This was in 1997, three years after the phone call with Patricia. And he says, yeah, of course, at first he totally dismissed it. And I thought, I'm going to print it out, I'm going to show it to college classes when I visit and say, this is why we say don't believe everything you read on the internet. And I did that.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I printed it out, had it on my desk at CBS, and then one evening I sat down and started reading it, and I thought, well, maybe I should check this out. Sampley had no direct evidence proving that Michael Blossy was in the tomb, but that didn't make him wrong. Whatever was known about the remains of the Vietnam unknown had never been revealed. It was all part of the effort to make sure that the unknown could represent everyone who ever fought in the war. But Sampley had come across some second-hand accounts suggesting that America's only set of unknown remains from Vietnam had been recovered from an aircraft that had been shot down in 1972.
Starting point is 00:18:39 And he had only been able to find one missing plane that fully matched the description. Michael Blassies. What still made it hard to believe was that the government was not supposed to bury anyone in the tomb. If there was a chance he could be identified like this. So Vince called a few sources in the military, not asking any hard questions, just wondering,
Starting point is 00:19:01 almost kind of embarrassed. Could the government possibly bury a known person in the tomb of the unknowns and not tell anyone? One conversation in particular told me there was an attitude within some parts of the military that might allow something like this to happen. I called up a researcher in the Pentagon and I tried to talk really around the issue.
Starting point is 00:19:21 I didn't want to let them know what I was working on, but I finally said, what if you could figure out who this was? What if we could go in and identify this person and give them back to his family? And his response was, oh, that would never happen. And I said, but that would be the truth. And he said, well, the truth doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:19:36 He's not a human being anymore. He's a symbol in America's most sacred military shrine, and we would never let that happen. So I wrote down the truth doesn't matter on a posted note, stuck it to my computer console, and I thought, if there's a chance, you could figure out who this is and give him back to his family, you should do it. Vince began filing for your requests, trying to get his hands on any government document he could about Michael Blassie.
Starting point is 00:20:00 But there were things I wanted that only family members could get, where you needed an affidavit. So that was when I reached out to the glassy family. Vince got in touch with Patricia and laid out his case. Fact by fact, pattern by pattern. And Vince and I started talking and I called my mom and I said, you know what? It's somebody. And if it's Michael, you know, we need to pursue it. Which eventually gave Vince the leeway to file yet another foyer request. Nothing special,
Starting point is 00:20:30 just some documents related to Michael Blassy from an Air Force base in Texas. Not mentioning the tomb, not mentioning the unknown soldier, just asking for anything with Michael Blassy's name in it. And I got back this really thick envelope, a padded envelope, which is more than I think I'd gotten back from any other request. And I was actually back in Denver at that point sitting in the newsroom and I opened it up and I was paging through it, paging after paging, going, oh my god, this is it. Because this wasn't just some small file containing a good lead or a tantalizing clue. These were military documents showing the entire unknown soldier selection process.
Starting point is 00:21:08 When combined with his earlier research, the documents Vince Gonzalez now held in his hands, painted a nearly complete picture of what the government knew regarding the identity of the unknown soldier, starting with something very important that they had known almost from the beginning. That Michael Blassey's remains had been recovered in Vietnam and that they'd been recovered by Chris Calhoun, the Army Ranger stationed in the unlock. You know, I don't really know exactly what went down, but I do know that everything pointed to me.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Now remember Calhoun didn't know Blassie personally, but he was friends with a bunch of the other pilots in Michael Squadron. They were the guys reading the newspaper to Calhoun didn't know Blassy personally, but he was friends with a bunch of the other pilots in Michael Squadron. They were the guys reading the newspaper to Calhoun over the radio. And it was on one of those lonely nights, just chatting, that they started telling him about Michael. The only thing I knew was they asked me that one of their squadron mates had been shot down. They gave me the coordinates, and they wanted to know if we could get the body back. This was in October of 1972, over five months since Blassey's plane had disappeared into
Starting point is 00:22:11 the jungle. They knew they were asking a lot. So I think if that rapport wasn't there, then the request would have never come and I would have never acted on it. Christchurch the matter to his regimental commander, who assembled a special South Vietnamese patrol dressed up as the enemy. In North Vietnamese uniforms with North Vietnamese weapons and they went out in no man's land and they found the wreckage. And they brought back to me what was left of the remains of Michael Blassy in a black plastic bag. The remains did not consist of much, just six bones, but they also brought back other
Starting point is 00:22:55 evidence. An uninflated life raft was serial numbers, a parachute, part of Michael's flight suit, and critically his wallet. And that was a good shape. Pictures of him, pictures of his family, pictures of his sister. There was no question. The remains were Michaels. Chris then handed the bag with everything in it
Starting point is 00:23:16 off to the crew chief of the week's one outgoing helicopter. But he got the bag. The crew chief got the bag. And when you saw the remains, I go away in the chopper. I mean, what was your decision? Well, we were we were sending them home to his family. You know, we were doing what was right. And of course, those South Vietnamese risk their lives to, you know, get his body from that wreckage. Then he deserved to go home. After that, Chris had just assumed
Starting point is 00:23:47 that Michael's remains would be returning to his family. But according to Vince's documents, that's not what happened. The remains, along with the survival gear, would eventually arrive at the Army's Central Identification Laboratory in Hawaii. But not before the wallet, containing the ID that could link the bones to Blassy
Starting point is 00:24:05 went missing. Even though he knew about the missing wallet, the head of the lab, using now outdated techniques, determined that the remains did not match Michael Blassy's physical description. Instead, they were simply designated as BTB, believed to be Michael Blassy. Without a positive match due to army policy, the Blassie family could not even be told that any remains had been found. Meanwhile, pressure began to mount in the Pentagon
Starting point is 00:24:32 to place a veteran from Vietnam in the tomb of the unknown soldier. It was politics, but it was also patriotism. While there was a crass political angle to do this, to make nice with the Vietnam veterans, there was also a feeling of we need to get someone in that tomb so the nation can heal around this issue. But by the 1980s, there was only one set of unidentified remains left. The ones labeled believe to be Michael Blassy. So in 1980, the lab was ordered to strip their remains of their formal connection with Blassie and give them the anonymous designation X-26.
Starting point is 00:25:09 And in 1984, with the Reagan administration eager to put someone on the tune before election day, they were told to prepare X-26 for burial. And I spoke with technicians at the Army lab later who said, we gave them every answer possible to say, don't do this. The technology is coming. This is not an unknown set of remains. The lab technicians told the Pentagon that new DNA-based technology was being developed that would allow the remains to be conclusively identified.
Starting point is 00:25:37 They also pointed to the artifacts, like the flight suit and the life raft, and a record of the missing wallet, all of which suggested that their remains were most likely glasses. But the push to put a Vietnam unknown in the tomb overrode that, and a general from the army was sent to tell them everybody better get the hell out of the way. And that's when Michael Blassie went into the tomb. I fell of Americans Memorial Day is a day of ceremonies and speeches. Throughout America today we honor the death of our wars. And it's when President Reagan, who may not have known that any of this had happened,
Starting point is 00:26:14 gave a speech at a burial in Arlington invoking a powerful mystery. Did he marry? Did he have children? Did he look expectantly to return to a bride? We'll never know the answers to these questions about his life. The file that Vince discovered 13 years later in 1997 showed that there had never been any mystery at all. Armed with the documents, he teamed up with veteran CBS correspondent Eric Angberg. They talked to anyone they could find who was involved in the unknown selection process.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And when they felt they were ready, they presented their findings to Patricia Blassy. And I asked my mom to call a family meeting and we sat down and we looked at the documents together and we discussed, you know, what should we do? Patricia wanted to go public with Vince and CBS. Her older sister, Judy, if anything, was even more eager to blow the lid off the whole thing. But George, the youngest brother, Boked. Michael is buried in a place of honor, he pointed out. Maybe he could stay there and serve as the unknown for everyone else who's loved the ones that never come back.
Starting point is 00:27:27 But the tiebreaker was Michael's mother, Jean. She's a very patient woman and she listened to all of the opinions of her children, her living children and waited until we were done with our banter or whatever. And she just looked at us and she said, I want to bring my son home. This is the CBS Evening News. Tonight, the results of an Ion America investigation lasting over half a year.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Is it possible the government knows the identity of a Vietnam war casualty buried at the tomb of the unknowns in Arlington National Cemetery, but deliberately kept its secret from the public and even his own family? A seven-month CBS News investigation has found evidence of a long-running cover-up. What followed wasn't just one story on the evening news. It was more like a blizzard of stories. There are significant new developments tonight in the exclusive story that CBS News first broke
Starting point is 00:28:31 on this broadcast in January. CBS's Vince Gonzalez uncovered new evidence and update tonight of our exclusive Ion America investigation. I think we did 15 or 18 pieces on this. It just was non-stop. And tonight, as Eric Ngberg tells us, there's more. Because CBS and the Blassy family didn't just want the world to know that Michael Blassy was in the tomb.
Starting point is 00:28:54 They wanted the Pentagon to do something about it. Michael Blassy's sister Pat says the family wants the remains tested, even if by some chance they aren't identified as Michael. Now Congress wants to investigate. If it's Michael, we want to bring him home. At a certain point, they called us up and they said, you're killin' us. And day or two later, they announced the tomb would be open
Starting point is 00:29:20 and the remains were going to be tested. On May 14, 1998, the Department of Defense disinterred the remains of the Vietnam veteran from the tomb of the unknown soldier. DNA samples were taken from Michael's mother Jane and his sister Judy, and tested against the remains. They were a match. And after the scientists were finished talking to my mother, we were wrapping things up because
Starting point is 00:29:47 my mother had to sign some papers and things like that. And then all of a sudden a man walked up and said, well, when we opened the tomb to do the DNA test, Michael's artifacts were in the tomb with him. And what would you like us to do with them? The life raft and other items that had been found at the crash in 1972 had been the only physical evidence aside from the missing wallet that could have tied the remains to Michael Blassy. Whether it was to preserve the artifacts or to hide them,
Starting point is 00:30:21 someone at the Army Lab in Hawaii had put them where no one would ever think to look in the casket with Michael. They had been sitting in the tomb underneath the guards and the crowds and the Arlington soil for 14 years. They were in a box. And so after we buried Michael in St. Louis, there was a reception and then once everyone left,
Starting point is 00:30:46 we stood around the table and my brother George opened up the box and started pulling out the life raft, portions of his parachute, portions of his flight suit. And I have him with me today. I keep him with me. But I was really glad to have them. Today, there is no body representing Vietnam at the tomb of the unknowns. And thanks to improved forensics, there will likely never be an unknown from Iraq, or Afghanistan, or any future war.
Starting point is 00:31:23 The military is now in the process of using the DNA from the families of missing veterans to identify over 650 sets of unknown remains from the Korean War. It's conceivable that they could use the same techniques on the Korean unknown inside the tomb. The unknowns from World War I and World War II are safe for now, but in the era of 23 and me, well, let's just say anything's possible. If you go to Arlington today, the tomb of the unknowns is still there, minus the remains for Vietnam. The tourists still take pictures on their phones, and the guards still make
Starting point is 00:31:57 their rounds in perfect silent precision. Day and night, even when no one is watching, and it really is beautiful. You should go see it. But the heyday of this unique form of remembrance has come to an end. Does that sadden you? Like, does it sadden you that there is no unknown for Vietnam anymore? I can't say that it saddens me. I can't say that it saddens me. I can't say that. I respect the tomb of the unknowns.
Starting point is 00:32:32 But in order to have an unknown, they made one. They took Michael's name away from him to satisfy something I understand it was very important to our nation. But the first thing that you and I did when we met one another over the phone, hi, I'm Patricia or I'm Pat, hi, I'm Joe. A name is very, very important. Patricia still visits the tomb. She says she's not sure why she does it, but it means that she's gotten to know some of the guards. One of them once told her that their mission, guarding the unknowns, is never really over. But that in Michael's case, just this once, their mission was completed.
Starting point is 00:33:22 They were just looking out for him, until he could go home. Joe talks me through the very precise ceremony that has evolved at the tomb of the unknown after this. Okay, Roman. So when I was a little kid, my parents, and I think my grandparents who lived just outside of Washington, DC, they took me to Arlington Cemetery to see the tomb of the unknown soldier. And I remember it really well, and I have to say the reason I remember it so well, and the reason I became interested in the tomb again more recently, is not the mysterious soldier in the tomb projecting whatever you want onto his anonymity.
Starting point is 00:34:22 It's actually the guard. And it's not so much It's actually the guard. And it's not so much the idea of the guard keeping vigil, like this solemn duty, as much as it is what the guard is physically doing. And what they are doing most of the time is just taking 21 steps to the left, turning, stopping for 21 seconds, then turning and stopping
Starting point is 00:34:41 for another 21 seconds, then taking 21 steps to the right, then stopping again, turning again, stopping again, stepping again, over and over and over until there's a guard change every 30 minutes to an hour. That sounds very, very precise. Yeah, and actually, that's the thing. It's like, you say that, but you have no idea. Yeah. Let me sell you on this by just showing you a video of what this looks like.
Starting point is 00:35:06 This is from a guard change. Oh, where's my Nice design touch. The stripes on the legs really sell the synchronization. So as regimented as I was imagining it, it is even more so. It is like the innards of a Swiss clock, the way that they move together and then they move in time is stunning. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:35:51 And one of the things I kind of really appreciate it is just the way, like, if you have a Swiss clock that is kind of ticking away with precision, it hasn't this way of magnifying the silence around it. There's a kind of the silence around it. There's a kind of weird silence to it. And apparently, to get this right, they train and practice for months in a separate facility. Wow.
Starting point is 00:36:14 And it's almost meditative. Like you said, like inside of the silence, when you hear the clicking of their shoes and their heels together, you do get this space that's created inside of it that's very meditative. The word that just instantly came to mind is like zen. You watch the marching back and forth and the guards, when they're doing it,
Starting point is 00:36:33 they don't seem lost in the performance. Instead, at every step, they are totally present. They are completely aware of their surroundings. They are truly doing nothing but this Unless you start laughing. Oh It is requested that all visitors maintain an atmosphere of silence and respect at all times Holy moly I don't want to cross that guy at all
Starting point is 00:37:06 No, it's really terrifying. It just bursts out of nowhere. This is what happens if you get too rowdy or you laugh at the tomb of the unknown. And there's more. There's this whole subgenre of YouTube videos of like Tomb Guards yelling at, yelling at visitors. Oh, good, they deserve it. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Starting point is 00:37:23 So let's find another one. In your question, it all appears to it. Let's hear it. So like, let's find it. Let's find another one. They're questioning it all for you to remain behind the change of rail. As your question, it all visitors remain behind the change of rails. It's like, it's like, and like, but they can just vary it up. They can like vary their tone. They can switch up the words a little bit. I think it depends on the guard. It depends on there. Maybe they're mood that day.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Holy moly. So here's a here's a here's a more Kurt one. You'll be on the rail. Oh, I love it. I'm holding moly. So here's a mo- Kurt one. You're behind the rail. Oh, I love it. Just let them have it. And this is one where they reprimand some parents. Visitors must keep their children
Starting point is 00:37:55 behind the rail trains and rails. Thank you. Little Billy, yanked back real fast. That happened to me. So there's other videos where you see people trying to sneak in like kind of behind the rails, you get a view of them and then they're yelled at and then they just like, they freeze like chipmunks
Starting point is 00:38:13 who have been like caught out in the open and then just like just bolted it, like it's terrifying. My favorite comment though is from a YouTube user who said, and I quote, when I was 10 years old, I made the mistake of sitting down during the changing of the guards, and I almost shat myself. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:31 Does any other national monument have something like this, where there's this 24-7 ritual? Why in particular is it happening right here? Well, yeah, I mean, that's a good question, because the thing about the tomb is that like, the way it is now is not the way it always was. It evolved into all of this kind of pomp and ceremony and spectacle when it was first commemorating in 1921.
Starting point is 00:38:59 It was a big moment. I think it was the first nationwide radio address that the president ever gave was from the commemoration of the tomb of the unknown. But back then it was just kind of this low stone slab. Like there was no big edifice or anything like that. And it kind of became a second rate monument for a while. Like people would picnic there. And photographers would like, because it has a great view of you know of the surrounding area because it's up on this hill And photographers would actually kind of set up shop there and people would like pose on the tomb
Starting point is 00:39:31 Almost like just kind of like a roadside attraction and people but apparently like veterans caught on to this and started complaining about it Because they saw that kind of people were just treating it. Yeah, like Entertainment and they were like kind of putting out their cigarettes on it, things like that. And so they kind of complained about it to Congress and eventually the government cobbled together the money to post a guard. And then starting in 1937, the guard was 24-7.
Starting point is 00:39:57 And I've seen competing records on this once some say since 1937, others say, since 1948, the guard has never left. Even for hurricanes, it's stayed there. Wow. And then the other thing that happened during that time is that they always intended for there to be like a more updated fancy tomb, but it just took them forever to get around to getting the funding.
Starting point is 00:40:17 But eventually they did, and so they built the kind of the giant sarcophagus in 1931. And for that, they went to this quarry in Colorado, actually, to ensure that they got the exact same marble as the Lincoln Memorial. And although it wasn't designed by these guys, it was sculpted, like the actual physical sculpting is by this like famous set of brothers called the Picker Really Brothers,
Starting point is 00:40:38 who were these Italian brothers, who sculpted like everything they sculpted the Lincoln Memorial. And my favorite is they sculpted the two lions in front of the New York City Public Library. Wow. And then, in 1956, that's when we started adding these further unknowns from World War II, Korea, et cetera. Yeah. So just built and built and built.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Into this more and more reverent place. It has the image of an almost timeless tradition when you see it like this, but I actually kind of enjoy the fact that this is something that was, you know, iterated upon and improved and, you know, given a little more weight over time. I doubly appreciate it, because I love when something's iterative in the direction of honing towards austerity and elegance, as opposed to iterative and feeling like cluttered. Getting more casual or something like that.
Starting point is 00:41:29 It's a fascinating place, particularly because of this ceremony makes it all the more special. Have you ever had a chance to speak to one of the guards when you do in the reporting? I confess, I did not manage to reach a guard in time for this Coda. I had bigger face to fry, right? I had a story to make. Totally, totally. There was a 20-year mystery, so.
Starting point is 00:41:53 But I got the next best thing, which is I found that one of the guards did, of course, a Reddit asked me anything. That's what I said, yeah, it's next best thing. And so, of course, one of the things is like when you're a reporter and you see and ask me anything thread, you're like, you go through it, hoping someone's going to ask like the question you would ask. And the only question I wanted to ask is like, what is going through your head when you are marching back and forth, and that's particularly not during the change in the
Starting point is 00:42:18 guard, but just during the long 30 minutes, the long hour, marching back and forth during this like meditative state, right? And so finally, someone like asked this, right? And the guard responded, I wish I could say that while we were doing this job, we are just meditating. What it means to guard the unknowns, but we are human and we are on duty for long hours. So our minds do wander quite a bit, which just was so disappointing to read. Oh, but it's really human. You know, I know. I know, but here know, but here's the irony, which is like,
Starting point is 00:42:47 I realize that when I was doing the story, and I was like, oh, people are free to project with whatever they want onto the mystery of the unknown soldier, that's of course my reputorial way of being really conceited and thinking, I'm above that and I don't fall prey to projecting anything, to this symbolism. But the minute I see the guard, I'm like, what I don't fall prey to projecting anything. To this symbolism. But the minute I see the guard, I'm like, what do I want to see?
Starting point is 00:43:08 I'm a reporter at 99% visible who lives in San Francisco. I see zen meditation. It's immediately what I project onto this guy. And then, of course, in the asking me anything throughout, he's just like, no, no, no, our minds wander. We think about whatever, what we're going to cook for dinner. Who knows, right? Totally.
Starting point is 00:43:24 And so, I guess the tomb has worked its magic on me as well. We think about whatever, what we're gonna cook for dinner. Who knows, right? Totally. And so, you know, I guess the, the, the, the tune has worked its magic on me as well. Yeah, thank you, Joe. All right, thank you, Roman. 99% Invisible was produced this week by Joe Rosenberg. Mix in Tech Production by Sheree Fusef, Music by Sean Rial. Katie Mingle is our senior producer. Kurt Colstead is the digital director. The rest of the team is senior editor Delaney Hall, Avery Truffman, Vivian Lee, Emmett Fitzgerald,
Starting point is 00:43:54 Taren Mazza, Sophia Klatsker, and me Roman Morris. Special thanks to Lou Pennebaker and Andy Richards, whose interviews were not featured, but without whose help this story could not have happened. We're especially indebted to Andy Richards' biography of David Railton, the clergyman who first came up with the idea of the tomb of the unknown warrior. The book is called The Flag, and you should check it out. We'll have more information on our website. We are a project of 91.7 KALW in San Francisco and produced on Radio Row in Beautiful, Downtown, Oakland, California. 99% Invisible is a member of Radio Topia from PRX, a fiercely independent collective of the most innovative shows in all of podcasting.
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