99% Invisible - 381- The Infantorium

Episode Date: December 4, 2019

“Incubators for premature babies were, oddly enough, a phenomenon at the turn of the 20th century that was available at state and county fairs and amusement parks rather than hospitals,” explains ...Lauren Rabinowitz, an amusement park historian. If you wanted your at-risk premature baby to survive, you pretty much had to bring them to an amusement park. These incubator shows cropped up all over America. And they were a main source of healthcare for premature babies for over forty years. The Infantorium Make your mark. Go to radiotopia.fm to donate today.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is 99% invisible. I'm Roman Mars. There's a big, old apartment building in South Minneapolis that looks out of place. It's in a residential neighborhood with small bungalows and some auto body shops. But this apartment building fills up an entire corner lot.
Starting point is 00:00:18 I've bypassed this place hundreds of times, and it always struck me as kind of weird. That's reporter Katie Thornton. I started digging through old newspapers and I found out why it's there. That building is the last remnant of an early 1900s amusement park. It was called Wonderland. A friend of a friend named Hillary lives there now
Starting point is 00:00:36 and she gave me a tour. We are at my apartment building. It's on the corner of 31st and 31st since South Minneapolis. As I understand it, there was an amusement park here. The park had a roller coaster and a dance hall and a log flume, but the biggest attraction was something much stranger. A bizarre side show that used to fill the apartment complex where Hillary lives now. When she signed the lease, her landlord told her the building used to be called the Infantorium.
Starting point is 00:01:10 What he said at the time was like they had premature babies living in this building and being taken care of in the building as part of the attraction of the park. Visitors to the Infantorium would pay 10 cents to enter a spacious room full of glass boxes. They were incubators with tiny premature babies on display. And this wasn't the only place this was happening. The fact that there was a pavilion for incubator babies at Wonderland is not an isolated incident.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Lauren McBenefits is an amusement park historian. Incubators for premature babies were oddly enough a phenomenon at the turn of the century that was available at state and county fairs and amusement parks rather than hospitals. At this moment in history, if you wanted your at-risk premature baby to survive, you pretty much had to bring them to an amusement park. These incubator shows cropped up across America. They were the main source of healthcare for premature babies for over 40 years. for premature babies for over 40 years.
Starting point is 00:02:30 When the incubator attraction started in the late 1800s, the world was a lot deadlier. Almost one in five babies in the United States died before childhood, and that was an improvement from the previous decades. At the turn of the century, 19 of 20 births were still happening at home, which isn't a problem if your baby is healthy, but not all of them were. Like today, a lot of babies were born too early. The majority of American hospitals had nothing to help them. No technology, no special skills.
Starting point is 00:02:57 There was no central heating to keep them warm. Doctors would place heated bricks in cribs and cross their fingers. In private, people tried everything to keep premature babies alive. They put these infants and boxes stuffed with feathers to keep them warm. They rubbed oil on the babies and kept them near fireplaces. But more than three-quarters of premature babies were dying. In America, no one in the medical community was trying to solve this problem. But things look different over in France.
Starting point is 00:03:26 French doctors stole an idea from the poultry industry, which used incubators to hatch chicken eggs. They designed a human version. Basically, it was a warm box heated by a hot water tank below. In the 1890s, a Frenchman named Alexander Lyon modernized the whole thing. The air in Lyon's incubator was heated by a pipe flowing with hot water. The temperature was pretty consistent, and the box was ventilated. But Lyon's real innovation was to put a big glass window on the box.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And then, he filled the box with a baby. He built a better machine, and he displayed it at the Berlin Industrial Exposition in 1896. Don Raffel is the author of the new book about the unexpected origins of modern incubation. He showed the new machine with preemies inside and it was a sensation. There were drinking hall songs about it. He called it Dijkinder Brutenstall which was literally child hatchery and so it took on the environment of a side show. Some carnival showmen bought knockoff machines
Starting point is 00:04:30 and started charging entry to their own premature baby shows. But keeping a baby alive is more complicated than putting them in a box and flipping a switch. So most of them got out of the business pretty quickly. But one showman was hooked on this idea. In 1897, Dr. Martin Cooney put on his first incubator baby show in London. Somehow he may have just gotten down to the idea of this is a kind of a cool way to make money in the beginning.
Starting point is 00:04:58 So he went with this show. Unlike other showmen, Cooney hired nurses to hold the babies and feed them breast milk. The babies were healthier and survived at higher rates. The public loved it. So Dr. Cuny decided to try it out in the United States, at the Omaha World's Fair. Details were always a little vague when Cuny told his life story to Americans, but a few points stayed consistent. He was from Europe, and he was trained in Germany and France,
Starting point is 00:05:27 which were decades ahead of the US in terms of medical education. He called himself Dr. Martin Kune, though his given name was actually Michael Kohn. And he said he'd just arrived in the US for the first time, though he'd actually immigrated from Poland about a decade earlier. Like a good showman, he had a knack for exaggeration. Sometimes he said he invented the incubators he didn't.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Dr. Cuny beckoned people to his show with bold, hand-painted signs that said things like wonderful invention and infant incubators with living infants. Lots of spectators came and so did parents of premature babies who handed them over to Dr. Cooney, hoping for a miracle. Cooney perfected his side show at the 1901 World's Fair in Buffalo, New York. That fair has gone down in infamy as the place where President Wayne McKenley was shot and later died of gangrene.
Starting point is 00:06:19 But aside from that, people had a really good time at the fair. Dr. Cooney was set up on the midway. It's the section filled with carnival rides and side shows. And then Buffalo, it was popping off with attractions like House Upside Down and Jerusalem on the morning of the crucifixion. Thousands of people paid 10 cents each to see Dr. Cuny's incubator show.
Starting point is 00:06:41 They had barkers outside saying, don't forget to see the babies. Maybe the future president is inside. He knew how to be a showman. He knew how to talk to people, and he loved talking to people. Dr. Cuny greeted thousands of people on the midway. His exhibit was full of futuristic glass incubators. One reporter wrote in Cosmopolitan that Kuni's incubator babies were more exciting than Niagara Falls.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Newspapers as far away as Hawaii reported on the survival of the infants. It was like a reality TV show in some ways where there were people who would come every week to look at the babies and they'd have a favorite that they'd be rooting for. A local medical journal reported that 48 of the 52 babies delivered to Cuny that summer had survived.
Starting point is 00:07:32 But even so, American doctors were not banging down Cuny's door for his machines. This life-saving technology was stuck on the midway. Despite the big crowds and the good press, Cuny was still spending more money than he was bringing in. midway. basically had to build a NICU. And then when the whole thing is over, you have to tear it all down. Luckily for CUNY, a new fad was sweeping the country in the early 1900s. Amusement parks took all the excitement of the fair midways and made them permanent.
Starting point is 00:08:18 In the early 1900s, amusement parks were popping up all over the country, like all over the country. In 1909, a reporter from Pittsburgh apologized on behalf of the city. He wrote, we regret that we are possibly the only city in the country of any consequence that will go through the coming summer season with only three amusement parks. By 1910, every US city with at least 20,000 people had their own park.
Starting point is 00:08:43 People wanted to have fun, and amusement parks were all about unbridled pleasure. It's not an intellectual thing at all, it's just a kind of giddy physical amusement. The attendance figures for these parks are phenomenal. You could get things like a quarter of the population of a medium-sized city on a weekend. Most of the early parks were owned by electric trolley companies who use the parks to get passengers on their trains.
Starting point is 00:09:10 The trolley lines would also end at the amusement park and the electric cables from the train would be hooked up to power the rollercoasters. The parks were places where new technology was smuggled into American society under the guise of entertainment. At the time, there was a lot of uneasiness about new technology. Electric trains, lights, and motors weren't always safe, but in amusement parks, technology
Starting point is 00:09:33 wasn't something to be feared or mistrusted. Playing with these things, making them part of leisure and recreation, acclimated people to them physically with their bodies, but also made them pleasurable, made them pleasurable at a time when there might be some anxiety about these new technologies. When people got on thrill rides or watched firework displays, they saw that technology could be fun and safe. In a way, Dr. Kuni's incubator babies were the essence of amusement parks.
Starting point is 00:10:05 And Kuni's exhibit in Buffalo caught the eye of two businessmen who were planning to build a brand new park in Kony Island. They saw this is a really cool show. It's as interesting as a ride. This would work at an amusement park. Kony Island already had two other self-contained amusement parks, and until it burned down in 1896, a seven-story hotel shaped like an elephant. But these businessmen were taking it to the next level.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Their new endeavor would be called Luna Park. It featured a ride imported from Buffalo, called a trip to the moon. It brought passengers into a paper-machae fantasy world full of scientifically incorrect foliage and 200 actors playing moon people. And among Luna Park's flagship attractions was Dr. Kuni's incubator babies. When the sun set on May 16th, 1903, Luna Park switched on 250,000 electric light bulbs and opened their gates to 60,000 people who gathered outside. Many of them made a beeline for the babies. Coney Island was the start of something big for Dr. Coney. In the spring of 1905, he traveled to Chicago, Denver, and Minneapolis to set up new exhibits.
Starting point is 00:11:21 His incubators captivated audiences across the country and he became stinking rich. Kuni bought a nice house near the shore on Kuni Island where he was known to host extravagant dinners. If Dr. Kuni was in it for the money, he got what he wanted. But the thing is, he made a lot of choices that weren't driven by profit. He really wanted to save babies and to get the incubators into hospitals. In his travels, Kuni would whine and dine doctors and give them demonstrations of the incubators.
Starting point is 00:11:49 On multiple occasions, he tried to get health departments to use his incubators after the local fair season was over. He even tried to donate his incubators to the city of San Francisco, but no one would take them. Doctors had all sorts of reasons for rejecting the technology. One reason was the disgraceful influence of the eugenics movement. In 1901, an anonymous editorial made the rounds in medical journals asking if the incubators should be shut down. The author wrote that the human race suffered by keeping alive babies
Starting point is 00:12:20 who would, quote, transmit their deficiencies, deformities, and vices to the next generation. Eugenics was a hateful and racist pseudoscience, and it was not a fringe movement. A lot of the fairs where Cuny showed his babies also had eugenics exhibits. There were lots of other concerns about Cuny's approach, like maybe amusement parks weren't the best place for fragile infants. I think of them primarily as an assault on your senses, the noise, the bright lights, the smells of food. They were somewhat seedy. Amusement parks were noisy, and a lot of them served alcohol and had gambling. And they became known as places where young people of all different backgrounds bumped a little more than Alboes. You could make out in the tunnel of love or flirt on
Starting point is 00:13:09 the dance floor and then you would head over to the babies. This juxtaposition made some people uneasy. In the midways could be incredibly dangerous. Many of the parks were built quickly, were pretty shoddy and prone to fire. One time in 1911, a Kony Island park with one of Kooni's incubator shows went up in flames. A New York Times stop the press and reported on the front page that all the babies had died. That was actually not true. It was an error. All the babies had in fact survived. And beyond the safety concerns, there was something deeply unsettling about the incubator shows. Today, it's clear that putting babies on display and profiting off them is unquestionably
Starting point is 00:13:51 exploitative. In many ways, Kunis exhibits were in line with the worst parts of amusement parks and world's fares. In addition to the rides, many fares and parks had ethnological villages, where Native Americans or people from faraway nations would live on site in stereotyped caricatures of their homes. Some people were literally caged and incarcerated on the grounds, with no record of payment. On a lot of midways, there was a despicable willingness to exploit human life, for the entertainment of the privileged.
Starting point is 00:14:22 And charging money to see struggling infants was another manifestation of this unethical practice. And while we're talking about our discomfort with incubator shows, there's one more thing that should make you uncomfortable with Dr. Cooney. He wasn't a real doctor. There is no medical license on record for him in this country. In the cities where he said he attended medical school and Germany, there is no record of his matriculation
Starting point is 00:14:50 in any of those schools. This was not common knowledge. Even Kuni's obituary said he was a doctor. Kuni always told his staff that he had a license to practice in Europe, but it just hadn't transferred to the US or something like that. They followed his instructions, the babies lived, and he worked magic with the media and passers-by.
Starting point is 00:15:11 So Dr. Cuny was a fraud, but that doesn't mean his contribution to medicine wasn't real. The babies in his care were more than four times as likely to survive and to childhood. Saving the babies became Martin Cunney's mission. He liked to say he was making propaganda for primis. His staff took care in nurturing the babies, even feeding those two week to suckle through the nose with a dropper. He took babies of all races and classes, and he never once charged the families. Everything was funded by admissions.
Starting point is 00:15:44 After 35 years of CunY's incubator exhibits, his side show was still the best place to keep a premature baby alive. By the 1930s, most hospitals hadn't created alternatives to the infantarium, so people kept bringing their newborns to the midway. But in the depths of the Great Depression, incubators finally made a breakthrough when Martin Cooney teamed up with a sympathetic doctor in Chicago.
Starting point is 00:16:10 That's where he met Dr. Julius Hass, who was everything Martin Cooney wasn't. He was a real doctor. He had absolutely stellar credentials. And Hass was very impressed with what Martin Coney was doing and Hess really learned a lot of what he knew from Dr. Cunney. Hess was a respected physician with a passion for infant care, and over the years, he saw how Cunney's system was saving a lot of people. But Hess had to be careful with his associations, like Cunney, he was also up against the medical
Starting point is 00:16:44 system that didn't seem to care if these babies lived or died. Hes wanted his cause to be taken seriously. And being the doctor that endorsed the medical side show at the local amusement park, wasn't a good look. Hes designed his own incubator, and in the 1920s, he got a little bit of funding to open an infant wing at his Chicago hospital. But it couldn't keep up with demand.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Julius has been struggling within the system to try to get publicity and funding and just couldn't get enough. He was turning away patients because he didn't have the resources. He needed a publicity machine. And Martin Cooney at that point needed respectability. When Chicago hosted the World's Fair in 1933, Cooney's exhibit had the explicit support Martin Cuny at that point needed respectability. When Chicago hosted the World's Fair in 1933, Cuny's exhibit had the explicit support of Julius Hess, and that carried a lot of weight.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Even Chicago's health commissioner got on board. The fair ran for two summers, and in the second summer, they held an incubator baby reunion event. Joyous mothers carried their one-year-old babies and shrolled down the midway. Each baby had been saved by the incubators just one year before. After the fair, Chicago became the first city in America to create a public health policy specifically for premature infants. Dr. Julius Hess became known as the father of American neonatology.
Starting point is 00:18:02 And with the blessing of the Chicago medical community, other cities started putting incubators in their hospitals too. As doctors gone on board, Kunis and Fantorium started shutting down across the country. By the 1940s, Kunis Island was the last of his exhibitions
Starting point is 00:18:17 taking babies. And some of those babies are still alive today. I've had people refer to what it does the Kunis hospital and all all this kind of terminology, but it was no such thing. It was a side show. This is Beth Allen, born in Brooklyn in 1941. Yes, well, I was one of the last group of babies that he took care of.
Starting point is 00:18:42 He was not a young man then. 78 years ago, Beth's mother was rushed to a hospital near her house. She had been pregnant just six months. She pushed out two painfully tiny twins. One died shortly after childbirth. Beth was a mere shadow of an infant. At just over a pound and a half, she weighed less than a third of what she should have weighed. The hospital staff had no choice but to tell Beth's mother to take her tiny struggling child to Coney Island.
Starting point is 00:19:11 She was totally against it. When the doctor said that she had a send me, let me go to Dr. Coney, she was, no, I'm not. My baby is not a freak, she's not going to a side show. No way. And I took a personal visit from Dr. Kuhny to convince her to let him take me. By now Kuhny was in his 70s. He knew this child would not survive without his help.
Starting point is 00:19:41 He pleaded with Beth's mother. And finally, she agreed. Beth says it's the only reason she's alive today. The doctors didn't want it. They felt that the babies were weaklings, either they lived or they died, and nobody made any great effort to save them. Beth was an attraction. The nursing staff would take a wedding band and put it around her wrist just to show how tiny she was, as though it wasn't obvious. There wasn't any clothing that fit her,
Starting point is 00:20:10 so she literally wore dolls clothes. But if you ask Beth, she considers herself lucky. Her parents visited her every day, and they grew to trust and respect the same showman who convinced them to turn their daughter into a side show attraction. My parents took me to visit him every fall this day until he passed away because that's how they felt about him. In 1943, a Brooklyn hospital opened the city's first department for premature infants and Martin Cuny closed up shop at Cuny
Starting point is 00:20:45 Island. He told his family, his work was finished. Cuny had blown all of his savings keeping his incubator shows operating in New York. He lived off checks from sympathetic donors like Julius Hesse, but seven years after his last show, Martin Cuny died penniless. Beth Allen's parents were out of his funeral. I'm so proud to be an incubator baby because they're so few of us now who are left to tell the story and make sure that Dr. Cooney gets all the praise he deserves. And what do you have to say to the people who think that this was exploitative or wrong. I say, look at me. Here I am.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Beth is just one of the amusement park babies to come out of Cuny's 45-year tenure as the side-show doctor. Despite everything, Martin Cuny's attractions saved nearly 7,000 babies, kept alive for our amusement. Up next, more of the consequences of putting babies on display. The story of the Dion Quintuplets after this. So I'm now talking with Katie Thornton who reported that story. And the amazing part about the Dr. Cooney story is that even though you can feel kind of weird and queasy about the scenario by the end, especially when you hear from Beth, you know, this is a happy ending to this story. Like, he did a lot of good and saved a lot of baby's lives, but you came across another incubator story when you were researching this that did not end that well.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Yeah, totally. So, I mean, the whole thing is super conflicting, but definitely talking with Beth and talking with Don, they all met other babies of Dr. Kunis and they all kind of said the same thing that Beth said, which is just that they felt saved and they knew they wouldn't have survived otherwise. But I did come across a story from the 1930s and took place in rural Ontario's more than 200 miles north of Toronto,
Starting point is 00:23:11 outside of a town called Callender. And basically, in the 1930s, it was during the Depression, this guy contacted his local newspaper, and he's basically like, hey, is it more expensive for me to announce like five babies being born rather than just one? Because my sister-in-law just had five babies. Well, that's amazing that that was his concern. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:33 It's the cost of the announcement in the newspaper, but that's great. And then like classic small town paper, the person who's placing the birth announcements is like the ad guy, but he's also a staff reporter. So he's like, no way, you're full of it. And so he goes out there, the uncle is like, no, I swear, she had five babies.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Because at the time, there was no quintuplets that were known to have survived. So the staff reporter goes out there, and he's like, yes, there's actually quintuplets, and then it just gets picked up all over the US and all over Canada. And so did they end up surviving? Yeah, all five of them survived.
Starting point is 00:24:09 And as you mentioned, it was because of an incubator. So basically, remember how we were talking about the Chicago World's Fair in 1933 and 1934, where they did the reunion. Right, right. So the quintuplets were born, they were called the Deons, and they were born two days after the fair started, and it was actually William Randolph Hearst, the newspaper magnate, who
Starting point is 00:24:30 was like, get Cooney up there, get him up to calendar, outside of calendar, really fun with an Ontario, and Cooney said no, but Hearst sent up a reporter, and with a reporter he sent them an incubator, because they knew that the babies would need an incubator to survive. They didn't have electricity in the house, so they sent up this gas-powered incubator. And I guess it was this whole fiasco at the border,
Starting point is 00:24:54 because they were like, we have no idea what that is. But basically, it wasn't Cuny, but some other people from that same world's fair from a different attraction on the midway, flew to Ontario, and they asked the father to bring the babies down so they could feature them in their attraction. And they gave him a really big check, which was super tempting because he already had five kids, and now he had five more, and it was the middle of the depression.
Starting point is 00:25:18 So did he take the money? He did take the money, which is kind of where the story takes a pretty dark turn. First, before I took the money, he went to the local priest, and the priest was like, yeah, you should take it, and then while you're at it, why don't you give some of that money to the church? Because the church is responsible for miracles, and this whole birth is a miracle, yadda yadda, all this stuff. And so then everybody is like furious that he took the money.
Starting point is 00:25:43 So I felt like the parents were exploiting the children that they shouldn't be raising them. And so within two days, the dad was like nevermind. He gave back the check, but everybody was already super angry. The public was outraged and they put a bunch of pressure on the Ontario government not to let the parents raise the kids. Oh, my.
Starting point is 00:26:00 So what did the Ontario government end up doing? They did end up getting a legal order to take the quintuplets away from their parents, and then they passed a Deon quintuplets Guardianship Act, which made the quintuplets wards of the crown. So basically removed all authority from the parents and made them the responsibility of the government.
Starting point is 00:26:17 And then they realized, hey, there's a lot of interest in this. We can make a lot of money off of this. And they built this sort of like hospital slash nursery for them to grow up in. And it basically became a theme park. They called it Quintland and people would travel up to Northern Ontario
Starting point is 00:26:31 to go to Quintland. Oh my God, this is so grim. So did people end up coming to Quintland? Yeah, they totally came to Quintland. I mean, the Quintubletors supposedly taken to prevent their exploitation, but then they absolutely are exploited by this guardianship board. They were super, super popular.
Starting point is 00:26:49 They were in a bunch of American newsreels, so all these Americans knew about them. Actually, there's still some of those newsreels available, so maybe we can watch one together. Cool. Okay, I have one here. I'll get it started. Okay, so it says the Dion triplets at Calendar Ontario. Nowadays, selling Dion souvenirs is a thriving trade. But while they wait outside, we go in to find the two and a half year old little girls enjoying the final dip of the season in their own private bathing pool.
Starting point is 00:27:17 That's Yvonne, with the ribbon in her hair. She's generous. But then they're all generous. In the play yard, Y yard even takes the center of the state and already she's got that This is my husband right so Yeah, it's terrible because like you know how terrible their story is and yet it's just so cute Yeah, it's like a nightmare Like she's wearing a cowboy hat. Yeah, I can't handle it. And they're just surrounded by this little fence. It's a little zoo for babies.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Totally. Yeah, it was absolutely a zoo for babies. And that's really how people treated it. Like they came to Norganontario. They would watch the girls as they grew up for years and years of their childhood through like one way glass. But obviously the girls knew that they were there
Starting point is 00:28:13 because they could hear them. And it was just like pretty bleak. And in addition to the zoo aspect of just watching the girls who are adorable, walking around and interacting the way toddlers do. There was this huge gift shop, associated with a front, they're like souvenirs and stuff. I mean, this became such a market.
Starting point is 00:28:37 There was such a cottage industry around it. Like they had these dolls and their dolls outsold Shirley Temple dolls, five to one. I think that's wild. I've heard of Shirley Temple, but I'd never heard of the thing on Quintuplets before this story. People would just take random rocks from the area and sell them as fertility rocks because people would go there because I thought there was something magical about the soil there.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Amelia Earhart came to visit, like just a few weeks before she went missing. And kind of in the same way that we started the story with that building in Minneapolis, you could really do the same thing with Quint Land because you could say like there's a six lane highway in the middle of nowhere in Northern Ontario because they built all this infrastructure to get all the tourists out there. And they were in all these ads. I mean, there was a lot of money made off these young girls. And I mean, that's a lot of pressure to put on a bunch of kids who probably don't know
Starting point is 00:29:29 any different, but how did they cope under that sort of pressure? It didn't end when they were children, of course. Like they never got to learn normal social skills. They never got to learn normal life skills. I don't remember exactly what the story was, but I think one of them when she was 18 and she was out on her own, like she had never handled cash before, so she didn't know how to spend money.
Starting point is 00:29:52 And it's all really twisted because the Ontario government, like you said, they supposedly took over their guardianship to keep the quintuplets from being exploited, but instead the Ontario government did a lot of exploitation. They spent all this money that was supposed to go to a trust fund for the quintuplets. They spent it all on security for their amusement park and salaries for staff. And so, later on in their lives, they ended up having a lot of financial troubles. So what ended up happening with the quintuplets as they grew up?
Starting point is 00:30:21 Yeah. Eventually, they went back to their parents of a long, drawn out legal battle. So they were nine and a half years old when they went back to their parents, but their family life was just super painfully rocky. Like they never got to learn how to be a family. Their father was abusive, it was really, really painful. And when they turned 18, all the quintuplets left
Starting point is 00:30:42 and they tried to just find a quiet life elsewhere. One, maybe even two of them went on to be a librarian, so much quieter life. And it was just really tough. And then in the 90s, the surviving quintuplets decided to come forward about their exploitation. And that's where this person named Carlo Toreini comes in. He's a friend of the Dion's now, but at the time he was working in PR and I'll just let him tell the story. A book editor who's a client calls me up and he says, Karlo, we need your help. We have a book. It's about the Dean quintuplets. I told the Dean quintuplets, I know that story very well.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Our de sisters doing today. He told me, well, this is exactly where we're putting out a book. I said, what's going on? He says, well, the three surviving sisters are living in the same house with a leaking roof. And they wanted to put out a book in order to help to pay for the groceries and to fix the roof. And I said, I'll can just be. I was I wasbergasted. Well, it's tragic. Yeah, it's heavy. And Carlo, something just a little bit of background about Carlo when he was a kid and he started school, he didn't speak any English. And he goes to the library in the first English language book he ever pulled out from the library was about the Deonquin tuplets.
Starting point is 00:31:59 And so when he got to work on this project, he got super emotionally invested, not just in the book. He did a bunch of research, and he paid lawyers and forensic accountants out of his own pocket to prove that the sisters had been terribly exploited when they were young. And he ended up getting them a bunch of media attention. Like, this is back in the 90s and all of these senior citizens of Canada start writing to the Ontario government, and they say, hey, this is wrong. You should pay some reparations.
Starting point is 00:32:26 And after years of work, he finally got them a settlement, which was pretty awesome. It was about $3 million. Oh, that's so good. The story is horrible, but I'm glad there's a little bit of justice in the end. You know, like all credit to Carlo.
Starting point is 00:32:40 I mean, what a saint. It's amazing. Totally. Yeah, he's a really good friend. And obviously, money can never undo what happened to them. But two of the sisters are still alive. They're super close friends. They don't really talk to the media. They still want to live a quiet life.
Starting point is 00:33:00 They have some friends. They got their house fixed up. It's a museum now. So those are, you know, somewhat positive outcomes. Well, they're amazing stories. Thank you so much for reporting them and working with us again on this. It's been fantastic. Well, thanks 99% invisible was produced this week by Katie Thornton and edited by Chris Baroube and Joe Rosenberg.
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