99% Invisible - 447- Flag Days: The Red, the Black & the Green
Episode Date: June 16, 2021After Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd last year, tens of thousands of people all over the world took to the streets to protest police violence against Black people. And ...if you look at images from these marches, you will probably start to notice a common color scheme -- one involving a lot of red, black, and green. The flag was invented to unite Black people all over the world living under racial repression. When it first came into existence, the flag posed some bold questions about where Black people owed their loyalty: was it to the nations where their lives were demeaned and threatened? Or to a new nation - one they would build entirely for themselves? For hundreds of thousands of Black people, the red-black-and-green symbolized the answer. Flag Days: The Red, the Black & the Green
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This is 99% invisible. I'm Roman Mars. A quick heads up. This episode has some offensive language.
After Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd last year, tens of thousands of people all over the world took to the streets to protest police violence against black people.
to protest police violence against black people. BOOSLESS MADDER!
BOOSLESS MADDER!
And if you look at images from these marches,
you'll probably start to notice a common color scheme.
Lots of red, black, and green.
99 PI producer, Christopher Johnson.
You'll see those colors everywhere.
Red, black and green, picket signs and banners.
Red, black and green hoodies and hats.
And red, black and green picket signs and banners, red-black and green hoodies and hats, and red-black and green flags.
Sometimes it's good to see that red-black and green flag,
particularly when there's times of strife
and people outrage and angry,
and they start to come to that realization
that we're not getting anywhere with the begging.
Moorimakamao has several of these flags
in different sizes, including a huge one
that he likes to fly outside of his house.
He says that wherever they're protest or demonstrations against threats to Black life, the red-black and green will be there.
When people are ready for more than what they've been getting and they're ready to, you know, challenge the system,
then you'll see the red-black and green flags come out.
And not just at demonstrations.
This tricolor scheme has been used on t-shirts,
on high-top chucks,
and in works of art that have sold for millions of dollars.
The flag was invented to unite black people
all over the world who were living under racial repression.
And when it first came into existence,
the flag posts some bold questions
about where black people owed their loyalty
to the nations where their lives were demeaned and threatened, or to a new nation one they'd
built entirely for themselves. And for hundreds of thousands of Black folks, the red-black and
green symbolized the answer.
The flag has been in use since 1918, but I'm going to start a couple decades before that, with the story of a super racist song about flags.
In the beginning of the 20th century, there was Vordival, there was
Minster C, in America, and there was the tradition of Kuhn songs.
Can I say that word Christopher?
This is writer and historian Colin Grant.
He's talking about an old style of American music that's named after a racial slur.
Coon songs were exactly what they sound like.
The lyrics were deeply racist based on gross stereotypes about Black life and speech patterns,
usually sung over a ragtime piano.
And in 1900, one of the biggest songs of the genre came out.
There was a very famous coon song called Every Race has a flag but the coon.
And it was a song that lampooned black people for not having their own flag.
And lampooned them for the idea that they should have their own flag.
Two white composers wrote this song and I got invited to play the sheet music for me.
Here's what it sounds like.
In the lyrics, the head of a black social club gets up to speak.
And he says he's just come back from a Labor Day parade where he saw all these different
races proudly waving their
national flags. Ireland has her harp and shamrock, England floats her lion-bowled, even China waves
a dragon, Germany and Eagle Gold. And then he comes to the US. And what won't Yankees do for the old
red, white and blue? The lyrics seem to drive at the idea that the stars and stripes didn't belong to black
people, that they'd need something else to represent them.
The song went on to propose a flag for black people that's crammed with all these racist
stereotypes.
Every race has a flag, was performed by more than 100 touring Vodville acts and was part
of the Vodville circuit for more than three decades.
It was huge, which isn't surprising given the era.
The U.S. wasn't even two generations out of slavery.
Jim Crow and separate but equal were in full effect.
Linching and other terrorist violence surged.
Black Americans were getting the message from all sides, including popular music, that
they weren't respected or safe or really even
considered fully American.
Now as gross as the song was, Deliric's hinted at something that did resonate for Black
folks.
That actually a flag was something that enabled people to be welded together.
That idea was one which many black people understood. And in particular, a Jamaican-born labor organizer and journalist named Marcus Garvey.
In the early 1900s, Garvey bounced around Central and South America trying to start some
advocacy newspapers fighting for working black people, but he wasn't having much luck.
Garvey wanted more work opportunities and some adventure.
He was also curious to see how black people like himself were living in other parts of
the British Empire.
So, in 1912, he set off across the Atlantic.
Young Marcus Garvey in his mid-twenties, he went to England at that time for someone in the British colonies,
London was where he would go to try to establish yourself to say,
I have arrived, I'm going to partake of this blended imperial enterprise which the British
had ruled over for centuries, he's going to go to the heart of empire.
In London, Garvey landed a gig in a newspaper that carried stories about Black life throughout
the diaspora.
He also got a pass to the British Museum, which had a large library.
Garvey began reading ideas totally new to him, ideas that came to be known as Pan-Africanism is concerned with the unity and liberation of Africa and people of African
heritage. I like to think of it as a mighty river with many streams and currents.
Hakim Adi, a professor of African and Black to Aspera history, says, the source of that
river is the transatlantic slave trade.
Slavery forced together millions of people from across the African continent.
Adi believes pan-Africanism started there more than 400 years ago.
It developed as those people with different languages and cultures
began to understand their shared conditions and then align to change them.
By the early 20th century, Black intellectuals had done a lot of thinking and writing about
global Africa-centered black identity.
Ideas about repatriation.
Ideas about the importance of independent states like Haiti, like Ethiopia, like Liberia.
Ideas about colonialism and what needed to be done to reform it. And ideas about the glories of historic African civilization.
So it's in this sort of context that Garvey and his work develop.
One big part of this development was the way Garvey thought about Africa.
As a kid, he'd been taught that Africans were primitive and backwards
with no history to speak of.
What he'd read in London told him the opposite was true.
Garvey realized that Africa could be the center of racial pride for all of black humanity.
Along with this pan-African thought, Garvey was also heavily influenced by writings about black self-sufficiency.
The call to build a black world that was economically, politically
and culturally independent from white society.
Garry combined these ideas with his newfound afrocentrism, and a political philosophy started
to emerge.
It had been just two years since Marcus Garvey had arrived in London.
He'd left Jamaica hoping to find work and for a chance to see more of the world. But what he found in the heart of the British Empire, the seat of a massive
colonial power, was the way he thought to free the entire black world.
Garvey became convinced that black people in Africa and throughout the diaspora share
a common identity. They also shared a responsibility to advance the race and to protect it.
And the safest place for them was one built solely by black hands.
The idea that you had to forge a nation of your own, that you couldn't trust the man to look
after yourself, and when I say the man, I mean the imperial powers were not going to further the
likes of something like Marcus Garvey, all the black people of whom they ruled. And Garvey recognized through reading that actually he could conjure an alternative
to the reality in which he found himself he could change the narrative.
Garvey sailed back to the Caribbean in 1914. Those were still several years before he'd make the red, black, and green flag that he intended
to stand for all of black humanity.
But he was already thinking about how to build the kind of nation that such a flag would
represent.
On the ship going back from England to Jamaica, he famously said to himself, where is the
black man's army? Where is the Black man's army?
Where is the Black man's military chief? He looked about in his sonum. All his son was subjugation
and he said to himself, he was going to build the army and he was going to establish a new African empire. Garvey put his pan-African thinking to work almost as soon as he landed in Jamaica.
He formed an organization called the UNIA, the Universal Negro Improvement Association.
Its primary objective was to establish a universal confertunity among the race.
Here's how Garvey described the UNIA many years later.
Hello citizens of Africa.
I greet you in the name of the Universal Negro Bument Association, the novelization that seeks to unite into one solid body, the 400 million Negroes of the world.
For the purpose of centering our industrial, commercial, educational, social and political conditions.
But the UNIA got off to a so, so start. Garvey once again found himself strapped for cash.
So to raise money and build a following,
he left Jamaica again.
This time, he headed to Harlem.
And that's where Marcus Garvey really took off
as a race leader.
America is the seat of wealth.
It's a seat to promise,
the seat of any person who has some ambition
that wants to have a bigger canvas to realize his ambition.
So he was a young man in his mid to late 20s, he came with a hope and a prayer,
with not too far then to rub together.
When Garvey arrived in 1916, Harlem was going through some major changes of its own.
The black population there had been surging for about a dozen years.
Folks were coming from other parts of New York City, from down south, and like Garvey,
from the Caribbean.
It was the beginning of the so-called New Negro era, or the Negro Renaissance.
In art and politics, black Harlemites from throughout the diaspora argue furiously over what it meant to be black.
Garvey jumped headlong into the debate.
He'd stand on one of Harlem's famous soap boxes
and address a crowd with his nascent pan-Africanist ideas.
But not everybody was feeling young Marcus Garvey,
including the era's most famous black intellectual.
The premier man, the premier leader at that time was W.E.B. Du Bois.
And his organization, the NAACP, had captured the imagination of black people.
At the time, Du Bois was ascendant.
W.E.B. Du Bois felt that full civil rights were the keys to black freedom in a country
that was hostile to their survival and peace.
He believed in America as a viable nation for black folks.
It would take real struggle, but there was a path for black people to be whole and
safe under the stars and stripes.
Marcus Garvey saw things totally differently.
He came to believe that the fundamental problem for black people in the west
was the west itself. There was no way the US or Great Britain or any other Western power was going to let black people be truly free.
Garvey believed that black people were, as he put it, a mighty race, and that the only
way for them to realize their full potential and to survive the anti-blackness of the
West was to come together and build a separate black world. Africa with 400 million black people can do it. If you're gonna do it, I don't have them.
What are the nations have done?
What are the races that have done?
The US that has died.
The US.
The more time Garvey spent in the US,
the firmer that position became.
In the South, he'd witnessed firsthand
the struggles of rural black America
living under Jim Crow.
He'd come from Jamaican society
where class, often outweighed race privilege. like America living under Jim Crow. He'd come from Jamaican society,
where class, often at Wade Raceprivilege,
but in the US, he noticed that was flipped,
a dynamic which inspired Garvey
to center his message on blackness.
He believed that actually race should come before class,
that you only became powerful by uniting together, by having a powerful voice through
sheer numbers. Therefore, we should cleave together as black people and place a primacy
on race."
Then something happened that put the difference between Du Bois and Garvey in sharp relief,
and gave Garvey an opportunity
to really articulate the Pan-Africanist vision that he'd been developing since his days
at the British Museum.
America is called to our first volunteer as a kid, thousands of them, and millions more
to follow.
When Woodrow Wilson brought America into the First World War, under the idea that they were
going to make the world safe for democracy, Garvey was stabbed on his soapbox and say,
that's all very well, Woodrow Wilson, but how about making Georgia safer the Black man first?
The US entered World War I in April 1917. That summer there was large-scale racial violence in several cities.
Some of the worst was in East St. Louis.
A labor dispute turned into an all-out assault on the city's black residents.
Whites set fire to black neighborhoods.
Whites snipers shot and killed black people in the streets.
There were mob beatings and lynchings. The suddenness and the sheer shock of the violence of East Simplyweak changed everybody, and
yet Woodrow Wilson was going to take America into the war because America was this great
savior without recognizing that many of the transgressions that were going to be challenged
in Europe also existed on home soil.
Sometimes, Garry would respond to racist violence with calls for revenge or arms self-defense.
The boys in NAACP stood firmly against this approach.
The two men also disagreed on whether or not black men should enlist to fight in Europe,
given the racial climate in the US.
So whereas the boys said we must forget our differences between ourselves as Black
and the White men, we must put our shoulders to the wheel and fight the common enemy.
Garver is saying the very opposite.
Garver is saying, no, do not go off and fight the White man's war for him.
Because come the end of the war, things will were overt to the way that they'd been before.
And that's exactly what happened. As those so just came back and some of them were even
lynched in their uniforms, there are many people who saw the Garvey had been right.
The idea that World War I would make things better for black people didn't pan out. In fact, as the war ended, cities and towns across the US exploded in an unprecedented
wave of anti-black violence.
It had been 50 years since black Americans were declared full citizens of the US.
Black people had invested in the democratic process, and now they'd gone overseas and
fought and died under the stars and stripes.
And yet the country's deadly racial caste system stayed firmly in place just as Marcus Garvey had predicted.
And I think that made him seem in the eyes of many black people a kind of prophet, a seer,
someone who could see into the future, but also someone who was fearless.
I mean, he was fearless.
And that was very empowering.
People wanted to align themselves with him,
but they saw that he was a winner.
Garvey had been adding up events in cities like East St. Louis.
He saw what was happening to black soldiers and civilians alike.
If the question was to whom do black people owe their loyalty,
Garvey's answer was clear.
Black people owe their loyalty first to other black people.
He recognized that in his mind, anyway,
that black people were Africans in exile in America.
And there was gonna be no place for them.
There was no future for them in America.
But Marcus Garvey had a plan.
They had to get out, and they had to establish
their own place, and that pace was going to be Africa.
Garvey believed that every single black person on the planet
was in Africa, and that the continent was their birthright.
He said Africa should be free of colonial rule
so that black people themselves can develop their own societies there.
For 250 years we have struggled under the burden and rigged up slavery. We were maimed, we were brutalized, we were ravaged in every way.
We are men, we have hope, we have passions, we have feelings, we have desires just like any other race.
And so Garvey would be calling for Africa for the Africans, those at home and those abroad.
The cries raised all over the world of Canada, for the Canadians, of America, for the Americans,
of England, for the English or France, for the French or Germany, for the Germans.
Do you think it unreasonable to read a black-coloured world,
for the cries of Africa for the Africans?
Garvey had long understood that he needed cohesion in order to achieve his dream of an
independent black world.
The campaign for a homeland would fail if black people didn't see themselves as a single
global race.
How are you going to cleave those people of that race together. What can you do to reimagine a society where
whiteness is not the thing that defines you, you're not in opposition to whiteness, you are
just black, you are just your own people. Ironically, part of the answer came from white people.
Garvey drew on what he'd seen years earlier in London.
He was inspired by how the British used symbols
to flex their strength and to unite people
across their vast empire.
He saw the great buildings of power.
He saw this great columns with these admirals
on top of them.
He saw that the way that the British celebrated
their history through symbols of conquest, it saw that the way that the British celebrated their history through symbols
of conquest, through symbols of authority. I think he really understood the power of symbols
to deliver people, to conjure this notion that you are part of something greater than yourself.
Garvey had taken note of all the trappings of nationhood.
taken note of all the trappings of nationhood. He was very influenced by the idea that the show of power came through things like the idea of
planting yourself under a flag of saying that you belong to a group.
He recognized that's what Imperial powers did.
Marcus Garvey filtered all of that inspiration through his black nationalist prism, and out came a flag,
a banner that would stand for the entire black world.
Garvey designed the Pan-African flag
as a rectangle with three horizontal bars, red on top,
then black, and green at the bottom.
According to the UNIA, the red stands
for the blood spilled in the fight
to protect and defend Africa.
Green represents Africa itself.
It's lushness and the motherland that Garvey
I saw as their birthright, and black stands
for the people of the continent and the diaspora.
Garvey introduced the Pan-African banner in 1918 and it quickly became the symbol of
his rapidly growing international movement.
And that success came partly from the sheer potency of Garvey's message, which he spread
throughout the Americas during these exhausting speaking tours.
Plus, the UNIA's newspaper circulated Garveyism all over the world.
And then, there was Garvey's single biggest recruiting tool. The UNIA's commercial and
passenger steam ships called the Black Star Line. Garvey wanted to fleet it with sale between
ports in North and South America, the Caribbean,
and Africa.
The Black Star Line would be 100% Black-owned and operated.
In a world where public transportation was often segregated and Black people were routinely
limited to the lowest classes of travel, the Black Star Line promised comfort, respect,
safety, and speed to its Black passengers.
5,000 Black folks showed up to watch the first Black Star line
ship leave its East Harlem port in 1919.
According to at least one observer,
the crowd was delirious with excitement.
The Black Star line never got as big as Garvey
had envisioned, but it inspired pride and hope
in Black people around the world.
Brothers, this stuff is a dream,
but you're better get time for it. There was even a song about the ships recorded while they were still active.
Each and every one of those Black Star line vessels hosted the red, black and green
colors from its masts. And when those ships came into harbor with the UNI flags
flapping, there was the most extraordinary excitement because that was the
manifestation of something that they thought to be impossible. So the flags on board the ships acted to promote the growth
and the huge ambition and reach of Marcus Garvey
and the Universal Negra Improvement Association,
but for the flags and the ships,
there would be no mass movement.
They needed those symbols in order for the movement
to grow without those flags.
There would be no Marcus Garvey in our memory.
Garvey to me is the, I call him the standard bear of success under the rest who was blessed to do far more with less.
Moria Makamau is the official historian of the UNIA.
Make sure you also call him the outrunner in the outdoor,
and out of this world.
Third rock from the Sun, bar, and none,
he far as I'm concerned.
By the end of the decade, Garvey's movement was massive.
Two million people had joined the UNIA.
It would eventually become the largest organization
in black history, and its members proudly
flew the Pan-African banner.
Yeah, you would see a lot of houses with,-black and green flags on the outside as well as
mass meetings and local cities all around the globe. They would have red-black and
green flags whenever they had meetings, red-black and green buttons as well on the lapel.
And even some of the ministers would have their robes with red-black and green when they were
preaching to the gospel, Garvey isn't. In 1920, the UNIA held its convention in New York City.
It was a sprawling month-long affair attended by tens of thousands of people.
And there, the UNIA officially declared red, black, and green the colors of the Negro race.
Then those colors were put on spectacular display.
When the UNIA held a massive parade
meant to conjure a state procession,
the flag was part of this medley of symbols
that Garvey used to project to the world,
black unity, strength, and greatness.
Primarily, Marcus Garvey was a showman.
And in 1920, Marcus Garvey put on the greatest show
on earth and he had the uniform authority with his Victorian military regalia
with his biconet helmet and his plumes in his helmet. There were huge
choirs of a hundred and more on the streets walking with him. There were
uniformed guards with their sabers rattling. There were black
guards saying our time has come, downward lynching. There were bands playing. There
was a spirit of carnival. It was the thing you wanted to be a part of and it was a
street performance that led to the most magnificent statement of black intent
that they'd never been.
But Marcus Garvey also drew a lot of fire.
Federal investigators had been after Garvey since he first came to the U.S.
And at the same time, W.E.B. Du Bois and other black leaders were
also coming for Garvey. They said his talk of an African empire was foolish. They called
his business dealing shady and said that they were especially dangerous to the working class
black people who invested in them. Others saw the UNIAs pomp and military regalia as clownish
and embarrassing to the race. A campaign called Garvey Must Go pressured law enforcement to redouble their investigation
of the UNIA. Garvey was eventually locked up for almost three years for male fraud.
In 1927, he was deported to Jamaica. UNIA shrank severely after that, especially in the United
States. In 1940, Marcus Garvey died in London.
He was 52 years old.
Show me the race or the nation without a flag. Marcus Garvey once said in a speech,
and I will show you a race of people without any pride. In the same address,
Marcus Garvey invoked that minstrel tune from 1900.
In song and mimicry they have said, every race has a flag but the Cune.
But as far as Garvey was concerned, he'd silenced any notion of a flagless race, with the red
black and green banner that was the red, the black and the green, around me, foreign in you, life, I tell, right, I'm hurt, we've got a piece of fucking
the millions of the hype in the pile, that you will know.
Yeah!
It's been more than 80 years since Marcus Garvey passed,
but the UNIA still exists, and members like Moriama Kamau still salute its century-old better.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You always keep the flag up in the house.
Sometimes, you know, when I'm going to meet, I take the big flag on the train or hanging
out my car when I'm riding down the street just so folks can actually, what's that?
What country is this?
But the red-blackened green has grown way beyond the UNIA.
In the decades after Garvey's death, several African countries incorporated the Pan-African
colors into their own national flags as they gained independence.
In the U.S., the red-blackened green colors were prominent during the black power movement
and the black consciousness Renaissance in the 1960s and 70s.
Starting in the late 80s,
the tricolors were a big part of hip-hop fashion. In a way, the Pan-African flag has done exactly what
Garvey had hoped. He made this enduring symbol that transcends any one organization or country
or even hemisphere. He created a single flag that's recognized all over the world as the symbol of blackness.
Some of those like I said, the community who fly the flag, they know it makes them feel good.
They may not understand its history, its full power, but they know it represents them as the people.
Okay, so I want to say one last thing about the Pan African flag. I'm a black man.
I was born in the US.
As far back as I know, my family is from this country.
They help build it.
My mom worked for the DC government.
My dad is a war vet, and so are a bunch of my uncles.
My great-grandfather is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.
But even with all this family history, for me,
there's also the experience of being black in America, which can make safety and belonging feel
tenuous. Standing under the stars and stripes is at best an uneasy and insecure thing,
because the flag stands for lots of things, including imperialism and white supremacy.
lots of things, including imperialism and white supremacy. So for me, it's not a place where I feel at home. Whenever I find myself in neighborhoods where US flags are displayed,
unless it's a super black part of town, I get pretty uncomfortable. I don't feel safe.
It's very different with the red, black, and green. If I see someone flying that flag outside
of their home
or in their business, I may have no idea
what that person believes.
We may not even like each other,
but that flag, the decision to fly that flag,
it feels like someone's telling me,
you're in a place that's safe for black people.
And you know, I think that was a big part
of what Garvey wanted to say with the red black and green.
Black folks in a world that is constantly threatening you, come together under this flag and feel safe.
We talk about another interesting flag from our history, the Juneteenth flag.
After this.
Flag Day may be over, but there's another big day coming up later this week that involves
its own flag, Juneteenth, which is a portmanteau of June and 19th.
Juneteenth has other names too, including Freedom Day or Liberation Day.
But by whatever title, the day is really important.
It commemorates the emancipation of slaves in the United States, specifically the date
when the end of slavery was enforced by the Union Army in Galveston, Texas on June 19th,
1865.
The date has been celebrated in many places for over a century,
and it seems to be on its way to becoming a national holiday.
And as part of this push for recognition,
the founder of the National Juneteenth Celebration Foundation,
Ben Hath, designed a Juneteenth flag in 1997.
It was then revised in 2000 by Lisa Jean Graff
before it was officially flown.
Now, this time of year, people ask me about the Juneteenth flag all the time, more and more every year, because it's a great flag, it's really lovely. Like the American flag, the Juneteenth
flag is red, white, and blue, which is a more striking choice to me since all the stuff I learned
from Christopher's reporting in this episode about the Pan-African red-black and green-flack. The Juneteenth flag features a central white star referencing the Lone Star State, where
the last of the country's enslaved population finally learned of their freedom in 1865.
Around that is another 12-pointed white star outline, and together they symbolize a star
of Texas bursting with new freedom throughout the land over a new horizon.
That horizon consists of a red arch meeting the blue sky above.
To quote the creators of the flag, the red-white and blue colors communicate that the American
slaves and their descendants were all Americans.
Sometimes the flag is shown with the Juneteenth, date, June 19th, 1865 written across the
fly end.
Frankly, this is not my favorite edition, but the basic flag is top-torn.
It's a good flag, as is the red, black, and green.
So if you fly them together, get ready to talk about all the interesting history that
we discussed in the show with the people who passed by.
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Still no word from the top brass.
So here we go.
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