A Geek History of Time - Episode 184 - V the Leftist Allegory Turned Fascist Dogwhistle Part VI

Episode Date: November 12, 2022

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my name is Henry Laugher, I'm from World History and English teacher here in Northern California. And I had a wonderful experience of, I'm going to call it being thrown under the bus by my mother-in-law today, in a way that only I could be thrown under the bus by anybody. So my in-laws, my mother-in-father-in-law right now, are traveling in Europe and specifically right now they're in Malta. And as we record this, there is a festival going on in Malta. And one of the central things that's crucial about this festival and about Malta's history is the Knights of the Order of Saint John of Jerusalem known more commonly as the hospitalers.

Okay? Now, the very fact that I'm able to rattle off the Knights of the Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, known commonly as the hospitalers, tells you something about why I'm probably the only person who could be thrown under the bus in this way. But my mother-in-law, called from Malta on a video call in her afternoon hour morning today. And talking to my son, she was showing him all of the castle ramparts and all of the everything and he was entranced because he's my kid and so anything having to do with you know, nights and castles and dragons.

He's like, wow. And then she says to him, and this this is all this belongs to the Knights of Saint John and you'll have to ask your daddy about the Knights of Saint John. So now here's the thing on the one hand this is awesome because I get to you know nerd out to my kid and that's great. The problem is I have to simplify and to a certain extent, bolderize the story of the Knights of the Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem to tell it to a foreign a half year old. And I made, I was very careful to focus on the hospital part of it. And on, it could be worse, it could have been the Templars because that would like how

like, oh man. They meant well. They meant well. Yeah. The order of they meant well. The order. Yeah. Yeah. They tried. Oh, yeah, they tried.

That's their heart. So the non-text is way in a, well, bless our hearts in a fully Texas way. Oh, yeah, no, I kind of think Bill was a dick. I, well, yes, I'm not like, okay, you know, here's, here's the deal. This could be Raiders versus Patriots where I'm just rooting for injuries. Yeah, in a situation where we're talking about the Templars versus really anybody, it's like, which bastard do we want to see get injured more?

And I'm saying this as a practicing Catholic, like it's so, come on now. But the hospitalers at least, you know, I can focus on the hospital and and they have at least in the early parts of their orders history, they have a less problematic history, then the Templars, the hospitals weren't the ones who actually started any shit, speaking on any kind of a large scale. But yeah, so I got to explain sort of that to to my son. And that was fun. And parts of it were, but there was an awful lot of, okay, so how do I take this and explain it in a way that doesn't like elide the history,

but doesn't lead to my son having a whole lot of really difficult questions for me to answer. So yeah, I got to do that over the dinner table tonight. So that was fun. I will about you. Well, I'm Deemy Harmony. I am a high school US history and Latin teacher up here in northern California. You know, you do know that the hospitalers were a prestige class in three five. So you could bust out swords and faith and show it to them that way. Yeah, explain it to them through D&D. When it gets a little bit older. Sure. Sure. This is a little early for that right now.

My rule is as soon as a kid can read and do basic arithmetic, they can play D&D. So he's getting there. Yeah. He's getting there, but he's not there yet. He can, he can spell his name and we are starting to sound words out when we look at on the page. That's fantastic. Starting.

You'll get there. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was the arithmetic. That was fantastic. Starting. You'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah. It was the arithmetic that was the stopping point for us. Like once the arithmetic came through, we were often run it. All right. Who cool?

But yeah, I do like that you kept this one timeless because your mother-in-law throws you under the bus perpetually. So. That's it. Well, like, yeah, but that's that's a universal experience. So, yeah, actually, I've always been all of my mother-in-law's favorites. Um, just my wife's favorites. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

It's funny. My my first mother-in-law, I'm actually, I have to say this. I'm generally speaking, I'm very, very, very happy with my mother-in-law this time around. Now part of that is because my first mother-in-law set a bar so low that snakes and can get over it without breaking a sweat. The first occasion on which I met my first mother-in-law,

I was 22-23 and She took my then girlfriend aside and Said to her he's lying to you. He has to be at least 30 Well, you do that was literally the first thing you've You said like you are the Arn Anderson of this podcast Okay, I can understand that A couple of years ago it would have been kind of unhappy to hear that now. Yeah, I'm okay with it. Yeah, yeah So so here's what I've got going on my world. Okay. Yeah

Let's see keeping it timeless. Oh, I was sitting there watching something with the kids and My neck started to hurt and I turned and now it's in full spasm. So I am so sorry dammit Speaking of speaking of your 40s. Yeah, no kidding. Like what were you doing sitting there? Yeah, yeah, minding my own goddamn business right? It's vertebrae my vertebrae decided to fuck around yeah, and I found out all of them decided to go in different directions at once It's like Steve Bouchemmi's teeth in my you know That's an image. Yeah, thank you for that. So let's see last time we spoke we spoke of Chad Decker's crisis of conscience and how he is now working for the resistance against the V's. Yeah, and I'm still getting over his name. I'm still getting over his name being Chad Decker. Like wow. All right being Chad Decker. Like, wow. All right. Chad Decker.

So, uh, you're going Val. Just anyway, sorry. Chad Decker. Val. Oh, oh, specifically said Chad. Chad. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, Chad.

Yeah, also good work too. Chad Decker. Chad Decker. Yeah. Chad Decker. There Chad DeCour. Yeah. Chad DeCour. There you go.

Yeah. So anyway, he had changed sides and was now working for the resistance. But as a double agent, which of course is going to put him in perpetual tension so writing his scenes becomes easier. So do you remember what it was though that really the Vs in this series were offering to the people and was really hammered home in the first several episodes? Oh, like over and over and over again. Yeah.

Um, they were going to bring back the Mexican pizza. No wait, sorry, this is different. It's different. It's different. Oh, right. Okay, they were going to make an permanent menu item. No, it was, it was, of course, universal health care. It was we're just, we're just, we're going to fix everything that ails you. Yes. And this is November of 2009, right? Yeah.

And the thing is, November of 2009, the president of the United States is Barack Obama. His secretary of state is Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton in 1993 was a part of the effort by Bill Clinton to promote universal single-payer healthcare legislation with a massive package that he gave to Congress, very comprehensive, and hoping that they would pass it for him to sign. And it went nowhere. Yeah, because they didn't.

It was dead on arrival. And some of it was the insurance agencies who owned half the Senate and the House. Other parts of it were criticisms of Hillary Clinton specifically because this is a first lady. What is she doing having any kind of say over things? This is unprecedented. And it's like, yes, but it's also unprecedented that you've had a woman who is so uniquely qualified. Uniquely qualified. Yeah, that's it. Just change one syllable. Just one. But like she's she was, I mean, even back then, she was like insanely qualified to do shit like this. Well, she wasn't elected. No, but neither neither was the transportation secretary,

though. Yeah, you know, so there you could certainly the arguments. So, so, you know, the thing is there, there is, there could be, not going to say there is, there could be an argument to be made that she, the transportation secretary got the transportation secretary's job after advice and consent of Congress. You know, there was there was procedure involved. There is a constitutional system for finding those people and giving those people those responsibilities. You know, Hillary Clinton wound up where she was because she was married to the guy who got elected and the voters. wound up where she was because she was married to the guy who got elected and the voters,

like, there was no, there was no constitutional role for the first lady. Nor was there a mandate that she get involved? Yes. Sure. So, so like, if that had been the thrust of the arguments against her, there might have been something there. But 99% of the shit that got said wasn't, test about, well, this is kind of nepotism on a really large scale. Right. It wasn't anything like that. It was, she was, it was like all of the reasons why she was so highly qualified were turned by the right

into this like laundry list of why she sucked. Yeah, you know, it's she's this she's this woman, right, who's, you know, a Harvard Yale Ivy League educated attorney, right, you know, high powered lawyer. And absolutely one of the smartest people in the fucking room like all the time. Yeah. And like they got weaponized against her. And and and part of it was also the expectation that we as a as a nation historically have had for First Ladies is like, you know, Dlly Madison, Nancy Reagan, you know, I would say Eleanor Roosevelt though.

Well, okay. You have a really good example of, I didn't know how much. I talked to the bonus marchers. We did. And she got down. She was unique. She was, she was unique.

And if you look at the press clippings from the day, everybody on the other side of the aisle, Hillary to her for it. I need to look at the press clippings from today, everybody on the other side of the aisle, Hillary to her for it. I need to look at that. She got, she got, she got criticized for it. Okay, because she had her own column in the newspaper. Oh, yeah. Well, no, like, no, no, all of the admiration in the world, uh-huh, for her, like, possibly greatest first lady in American history. Like, I'm not even, I'm not even going to argue.

Like, no. Um, but other, other than her, up to the point that Hillary Clinton took that job, the role of first lady had not been political, had not been active in the trenches, had not been overtly involved in all of the, let me put it that. Okay, there. Yeah, because I was like, you're saying it's just saying no. And yeah, it's like, hey, intensely, you know, people need rehab. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, but, but had had not there had never been anything official attached to it. It's true and yeah And and now she's like kind of captaining it Yeah, excuse me. What if she menstruates all over some important legislation?

Not well, no, it's cool But it does kind of encapsulate the characterization, and that plays up the hysteria. Yeah. That was attached to it. And the valid critiques are a scutch in four, all of that misogyny. Oh, yeah.

Now, the misogyny was the driving force behind it. Yeah. The terror of a woman as incredibly fucking smart and capable and Like wickedly competent as her. Yeah, being in charge of it I think on a certain level it might have been that some of the some of the folks on the opposite side of the island congress Might have looked at it and been like oh Fuck we need to hit this as hard as we can because she's unstoppable Well, there's a lot I mean.

Like Clinton also had put other women who were very, very good at their jobs and very, very intelligent in positions of authority. Yeah. And they were immediately dragged out of those positions. You might remember the, I remember this very clearly because I agreed with her completely the surgeon general Was a woman who advocated masturbation as an alternative

Her name and I feel terrible about it because yeah, no, you're telling me right. Yeah, and Janet Reno Yeah, what do you mean he comes to my mind Janet Reno absolutely? Got got crucified for you know the Disaster that happened at Waco. And I would say rightly so. Yeah. I mean, and Ruby, and the fact that the war is possible. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, you can't deny her intelligence. You can't deny her. You can't deny her intelligence or her qualification for the role. Yeah. And I genuinely think that had it been a man with the same background, same qualifications in those two situations, you would not have seen the level of anger

directed at them for similar mistakes, which is interesting because that same thing insulated the national security advisor under the second Bush administration from criticism for because it's because we can't go after her for being a woman at this. It's like no, because she's advocating like expanding a war into two countries that had nothing to do with this. Yeah. Well, you know, what you have to look at there is who are the people making the criticisms? Right. And which side is in power?

And one of the things that the right wing in this country is really good at is playing both sides of an issue to their own advantage. Yeah. Bill Mar speaking of broken clocks being right twice a day, Bill Mar said he said once the Democrats fear polls, the Republicans move polls. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes, totally not wrong.

And by the way, Connolly's rice was also eminently qualified. She's just a horrible horrible criminal. She's she's just the the Distaff version of Henry Kissinger. Yeah. And so who honestly Hillary Clinton's very similar to. Yeah. Yeah. So so you know, yeah, but you know, that's not that's not where it stopped. There's also something called the project for a Republican future policy group.

Um, and all of them steamy Clinton's efforts to get universal healthcare through. And at this time, the Democrats were not as in lockstep. The Republicans also were not as in lockstep. The Republicans also were not as in lockstep. So you have nobody was pockets. Right. That's going to come the next year. But I found a quote by William Crystal, the hawk, the cox, the editor in chief of Dan, and the editor of the chief of Dan Quayles, chief chief of staff for Dan Quail under Bush's presidency, he said, quote, the long term political effects of a successful health care bill will be even worse, much worse. It will revive the reputation of Democrats as the generous protector of the middle class interests.

And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government. So in other words, so he said the quiet part out loud. Yeah. And then he mobilized Congress. One of the questions parts out loud. Yeah, he doesn't cop to white supremacy there. But like, no, the angling he totally does. Like holy shit.

Yeah, we can't let them win this because then people will benefit and then they'll thank the Democrats. So he mobilizes congressional opposition. He plays on the fact that Democrats never unified and that many had their own pet plans that they'd rather propose when this one failed. Of course, they then lose the next election and are completely out of power, losing all momentum to implement a universal health care of any kind, very similar Jimmy Carter's effort when Ted Kennedy tanked it in the 70s. Fucking entity. Republicans responded by proposing

legislation that insisted that private citizens had to purchase healthcare, but not their employers. care, but not their employers, because at least they're consistent. It's poor people. You got to pay for that shit. Businesses, we know that you create jobs. Yeah. Now in Massachusetts, the Democratic legislators overrode their governor's veto of a statewide insurance plan. That governor's name was Mitt Romney, he then would take credit for the message. Yeah. Yeah. And that shit worked out pretty well, starting in 2006, actually. So we have a history of universal healthcare actually working in a place in the 2008 election. Okay, that can't be. Yeah, stop. Stop.

I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to back up a little bit. Sure. We actually have history of universal healthcare working in a place. Yeah, Massachusetts. Okay. Yeah. Great Britain. Canada.

I'm in a place in America. Okay. Like you're no, no, no, absolutely right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Absolutely right. You name the other English speaking countries. Yes. Yes. How about every other developed Western nation in the world? Yeah. And several eastern ones too. Yeah. Like you are not. Are you a member? Are you a member of the G6 that's not the US? Right. If you are, then welcome aboard universal health care. Yeah. I'm a bored right universal healthcare like yeah, yeah, so

So in the election campaign of 2008 Barack Obama promised that massive healthcare reform would be one of the four main points of his presidency reform Not necessarily single pair. He's hedging his bets He got elected next in this you said yes times who also recommended similar Yeah, the Republican plan was Everybody pays because we don't want free riders. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you just argued for a close shop. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So, uh, amit what happened. Anyway, this whole podcast is about what happened like as a series. But anyway, yeah, very on. We really ought to rethink our tagline where we bring nerds. Just a little bit. Yeah, kind of.

It's where we explain the real world through nerdery is. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So he got elected with this promise, right? Among other things, of course, both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton had competing plans that would cover, or I'm sorry, Hillary Clinton, when they were running, they had competing plans that would cover 45 more, 45 million more Americans, whereas McCain also had a plan

and it would cover about 2 million more. So roughly one 22nd of like you're not even getting a crit failure like your odds of getting a crit failure or like our our slightly yeah. Yeah. Wow. And and once once McCain's plan arm sorry once Obama's plan included an individual mandate into the proposal. Mitch McConnell led the Republicans to not support it at all to block it at every stop. Yeah. Because he took the baton from New Gingrich ideologically as this is war, fuck the people, we need power.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. fuck the people, we need power. Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah. And at that point, that was 2009, right when this is coming out. And everyone goes home for recess, and you see this huge tea party movement that gets in there to tank the shit out of the healthcare bill. And it's an astroturf movement at this point.

It's fully co-opted the actual Tea Party. They unified and created the Tea Party caucus. And they threatened Republicans in plenty of town hall debates. They disrupted plenty of Democratic town hall debates. My favorite was the two instances of old people disrupting a Republican town hall meeting, saying, you know, I can't stand what you're doing.

In September, telling Republican Robert English of South Carolina, quote, keep your government hands off my Medicare. Okay. I'm, I'm grandpa. I'm going to stop you right there. First, have you taken your blood pressure pills? Okay. Have you taken your dementia pills? Okay. Now, do you remember where your Medicare benefits come from? It's funny that you mentioned that because English quote, he said, quote, I had to politely explain that actually, sir, your health care is being

provided by the government. English told the Washington Post and then he said, but he wasn't having any of it. So it's just, well, you know, and here's the thing. If we had all been paying closer attention to what was going on with the Tea Party back in 2009, 2010, we wouldn't have been taken by surprise by what happened in November of 2016. And there were so many people who were pointing to it, like that meme of, of, be able to cap real pointing, you know, a lot of us were pointing to that.

In fact, people who study fascism and study Nazi Germany said that this was the moment that they saw America take a turn. It was past the point of no return. And it was the vicious and complete and utter devoid of facts response to the healthcare plan. It was the partisanship that came with that, and they said, that was the point of no return for us. The alternate reality.

Yeah, and the fact that, I mean, you also have, because you have essentially a working test case for Fox News, because that's what drove that. That's what drove the hysteria of grandpa in South Carolina. And the completely devoid of fact, but full of anger and is not about to be dissuaded no matter what you say, because it's completely unmoored from the truth.

And the fact that that's so successful gave Fox a template and they're like, we know how to make money now. It's near these people. Yeah, well, because it's all, it's all based in the limbic system. It's all, it's all amygdala all the time. Yeah.

And my gold. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus, those ads. Yeah. I think that told like anytime I see more by gold ads, I'm like, oh, the economy's going to shit. Okay. Yeah, well, yeah. But yeah, you know that. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, you know, I'm trying to remember,

years and years, well, back during, I think it was during the war, uh, World War II, And Disney did a cartoon, propaganda piece, about reason and emotion and fascist emigogs trying to use emotion to drown out reason. Wow. Yeah. And I don't remember. I think it was, I think Donald Duck was the kind of protect. That makes perfect sense. Who is the most agitatable.

Yeah, yeah. And trying to say, wait, stop, think. Right. Before you have that emotional reaction to something somebody is saying, Right. Think about it, does it actually make sense? And it's like, you know, for some of these folks who got sucked into the Tea Party and have been, you know,

completely devoured by the QAnon movement and all of that crap. Some of these folks are old enough that like they should be able to remember that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And as somebody who stayed awake during history class, and now teaches it, it, I find it sad and infuriating in equal parts that anybody could live through that shit and not remember it.

You know what I mean? Well, you stayed awake in history class. Yeah, I could point. And your history class was likely not taught by a coach. Who probably thought that Reagan was the second coming. You know, I mean, there's a lot of variables that just go into the class makeup. Yeah. And then there's no back.

Yeah. Like when you have to deprogram a person, the first thing you have to do is separate them from the constant drip of whatever it is they're being programmed with. Yeah, that's true. So, you know, that's there's a lot of pieces there. Yeah, but okay, so this made sense, right? That people would be up in arms like this and that people would be you take your government hands because Sarah Paylon, who'd lost the election for vice president in 2008. But she'd created a really worrisome stupid caucus in the process. She said on her very first Facebook post in August of 2009,

remember, oldsters are getting on Facebook in 2009. She said, quote, government health care will not reduce the cost. It will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care, the sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know in love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's death panel so his bureaucrats can decide based on a subjective judgment of their level of productivity and society, whether they are worthy of healthcare, such a system is downright evil, which is hell of a truth. Such a system would be downright evil. Such a system doesn't

really exist. I mean, anywhere taking a look at how we started rationing, you know, healthcare during the first year of the pandemic. Or if you look at the decisions that get made by for-profit insurance companies about whether they're going to pay for somebody's cancer treatments. Yeah. Or if you're going to look at the way that, you know, 9-11 survivors have had to fight for every any of any kind of medical treatment for the answers and other. Other illnesses they've suffered as a result of their first response on the day, or if you ignore the hardship that's undergone by literally any veteran having to deal with a fucking VA ever. She's signaling to her plan basically. That is the Republican

and the ultra-right play let me tell let me accuse the other side of what I plan to do. So I do it. It takes the piss out of it. Yeah, and so so I especially love her talking about judging people based on their productivity society. Like have you have you listened to yourself talking about the ev know, the evils of socialism? And you know, to each to each according to their need from each according to their ability, that's like literally the reverse of what you're talking about. Right. Well, and did you know the overtone of Obama killing her child who has Down syndrome in there? Oh, yeah. And I mean, there's some Nazi shit going on in that rhetoric too,

like basically, you know, useless eaters, right? Yeah. By the end of that week, roughly 30% of Americans believed that there was a provision of a system in healthcare, uh, in the healthcare bill that would determine the worthiness of medical care. 30%. Yeah. A week later, she continued, quote, the elderly and ailing would be coerced into accepting minimal end of life care to reduce healthcare costs. And then she accused Britain's NHS of being death penalty, which crashed Twitter in the UK with the amount of Brits who were defending the NHS. Oh, you, you don't fuck with the NHS. Like, like Brits will, will shank you. I mean, they have a knife crime problem anyway, but like that's, that's what'll motivate them.

That's one of the things you get them to draw a steal. Yeah. You know, a friend of the show, Bishop O'Connell, lived over there for a number of years, a while back. He was working over there. And that was one of the things that like anytime the NHS came up in any any kind of conversation, any kind of capacity, it was held up as a beloved sacred institution that was held in universal respect. And like if you had anything bad to say about it, you better phrase it very carefully. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Because yeah, no, it is, I mean, it was part of the part of the post-war consensus was like, okay, no, we've got the setup. We're not gonna fuck with it, right? We need a welfare state We need a welfare state, you know um and and like they they look at us on a regular basis. They look at us like you're a lot of mad Yeah, like poor stupid fool you poor you poor bastards like you get a pay for your own Like wait bastards. You get to pay for your own, like, wait, you mean to tell me, and you have a baby, you have to pay how much out of pocket, like it's, it's, it, they are a gobsmack. And, and we are so colonized in our own brains by, by the system that, that we've lived under, that we just look at them like, well, yeah,

of course you gotta pay a couple of thousand dollars to make sure you don't. What do you mean you don't? What do you mean you don't? Like what? You know? Yeah, the only ones who do into our people that I don't know.

Yeah. It's because they're the ultra rich or they're the exceptionally poor. Yeah. Well, in September of 2009, she again doubled down, citing a part of the bill that didn't mention anything of the sort. She said, quote, to me, while reading that section of the bill, which there's your first lie, wait, she can read? Yeah. Well, so many magazines, just I can't name them all. I just, you know, anything

really. You remember when they asked her what she was reading? Oh, yeah. I'm not here to play Got Your Questions. And it's like, we're what you're reading. That's, that is, that is, that is the ultimate softball. Right. Like, that's, you know what? That's a chance for you to dog whistle to your constituents. Yeah. Yeah. I read White Wedding Dress magazine, you know, like, or whatever. But yeah, not being able to name, like, well, you know, I, you know, keep up with, you know, time in Newsweek, which like, I mean, there's certainly a lot of people. Oh, I read horse and how I read I read guns and am. Yeah, you know, whatever. Yeah, they would

have loved it. But yeah, McCain can be the smart one, you know. But anyway, so we continue to me, while reading that section of the bill, it became so evident that there would be a panel of bureaucrats who would decide on levels of health care, decide on those who are worthy or not worthy of receiving some government controlled coverage Since health care would have to be rationed if it were promised to everyone It would therefore lead to harm for many individuals not able to receive the government care that leads of course to death Now I just need to pick apart that last third of it. She said that since it would have to be rationed if we're promised to everyone,

what that means is if everyone had, let's pretend that that's true. That means the current system relies on some people getting completely fucked for not having healthcare. Yeah. And therefore, for us to have it good, we need the more locks to suffer. That's what that means. Because if all of us have to take a tone down for everyone to have access,

that means that the present system, there are some people without access and fuck them and that's okay. Holy fuck. Yeah. Like, you point that out and it becomes obvious, but I hadn't, I hadn't made that leap. Everybody missed that play.

Holy shit. Yet. Yes. Like, what? She's treating it like a lie. I mean, I just figured, I just figured it was banging the question, but like that's amateur That's amateur hour compared to like she's treating

Like and saying saying that you know what in order for us to enjoy this pie other people have to starve If we want to feed everybody then we're gonna get less pie. It's like then everybody fucking eats though Mother walkucker. Yeah. I mean I've known she was contemptible. Like since she showed up on the on the political stage like I knew it. But like the extent to which she was actually evil from day one, had managed to escape me, because I'm, you know, the cockat atop the mist who wants to see the best in everybody, and it's like, well, you know, she's a blinker at idiot, but, you know, no, no, it's worse than that. She is also a blinker at idiot, but she's evil. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So I mean, so for her child with Down syndrome to get the health care he needs

That requires somebody else's children To get nothing to die and what I love about death panels is that when When Michelle Obama, her thing for being a first lady was, let's fight childhood obesity. Yes. And it was, let's like have healthier food in the schools. So let's actually pay the Department of Ag enough money

that they can kick it down and on and on and on. Sarah Paylon shows up at a school with sugar cookies in opposition. Like, she politicized sugar cookies. So somebody's like, hey, kids are unhealthy and it's partly because of the food we're feeding them and she said, fuck that. For some kids to enjoy sugar cookies, other kids have to continue to eat really shitty cheese.

Like, I mean, that's, that's, again, it's that same thing. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, no, like, okay, no. So in November of 2009, she actually did finally walk some of that back About a half a step She invoked the ghost of the monster lying sack of shit who absolutely wanted death panels for people with AIDS and HIV Ronald Reagan She said that she was going to be speaking in the tradition of his great communicating Which I caught you midsfollow on that. What does yeah, like this isn't this isn't like fancy fancy beer American, but I'd rather not waste it going up into my

sinuses. So she said in the tradition, okay, I need you to say that quote again, no, what I'm not trying not to choke on why she said that she was speaking in the tradition of his great communicating and here was her quote. No, the moment you use a phrase like that, no, you are not. Yeah, carry on. Well, so that's the paraphrase though. So here's the actual quote. He got his point across. He got people thinking and researching what he was talking about. It was quite effective. Same thing with the death panels. So in other words, it was okay that I use death panels,

even if I was lying because Ronald Reagan also did the same thing about the homos. That's what she's saying. Wow, that's what she said. Thank you, Madam Gerbels for that defense, right? Of your fucking lying. Yes. And then he glared. A week later, still in November of 2009,

while this show is premiering, new Gingrich straddled defense. I just want that visual in your mind. And he floated. I need that. Thank you. Yeah. And he floated the weather balloon of lying that he'd get really good at using in 2016 by saying that no part of the bill suggested any kind of healthcare rationing.

See, I'm smarter than the woman I read, but then it would quote, all but certain lead to rationing. See, I also want you to be afraid of the black man who isn't really an American. So he basically is, oh, she's of the crazy kind. She's just a hysterical woman. I am a smart man. Listen to me. And yeah, she, she's, she hit something, she hit on something there. It would lead to rationing. And again, I come back to it. It's kind of like that. Well, you know, we, the system won't, won't survive if we pay everybody a living wage. Then the system doesn't deserve to survive. Yeah, we need a better system. If this system is something that we need to ration, I guess the solution there is we need to make a better system.

That like, yeah, I'm the token, you know, what passes were conserved here on this on this podcast and I'm not ing along with you like will yeah, I still say that you are actually a conservative. It's just They've gone so far to the right. Yeah, yeah, conservatives fucking like liberals. Yeah. Yeah. And Obama got a letter from an elderly woman that said, quote, I don't want government run healthcare. I don't want socialized medicine and don't touch my Medicare. So that's what's going on when V hits the air.

And because of the filibuster and because of the way that it was structured and the majority voting now needing to be 60 out of 100. When Ted Kennedy died due to the brain cancer, which could not have come at a worst case, worst time. And when Scott Brown replaced him, giving the Republicans the single vote they needed to continue the filibuster, because the Senate doesn't fucking work anymore. That was January of 2010, while V is still going on, and Chad has found out that he's going to have an aneurysm. The debate about healthcare was going on exactly when V. Erud in November and McConnell's efforts to not support it began an earnest in December of 2009 and the damage was definitely done by March of

2011 23% of Americans said they thought that the law allowed government to make an end of life care decision on behalf of seniors which is basically death panels, right? Yeah. Almost 25% of American, one quarter of Americans. What I really would like somebody to do, and I don't know if the tools exist, because you need a way back machine. But I'd really like to compare that 23% to the percent that will, in fact, vote for Donald Trump, even if we see him shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Oh, yeah. I see your fight. Like, I might have been a overlap.

Like, I suspect that Venn diagram is a circle. pertinier. Like on a, on an emotional level. I'm like, well, I mean, obviously, but then, then there's the part of me that's like, well, no, there might be, you know, other, other factors involved. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's like the Venn diagram between aunts and British people. Yeah. Have you seen that?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it'd be like that, where there's one difference. And that's it. Um, um, 23% said that they thought that death panels or that that specifically the law would allow government to make end of life care decisions for the elderly. Um, another 36% said they didn't know. So that is 59% who either don't know or think it's possible. Only 40% seem to have read the required parts that enabled them to say, a fucking course not.

Or like, you know, knew somebody who had and trusted the person that they were getting the information from. Right. Like, you don't even... Or watch the news sources instead of false. Yeah, yeah. You don't even... Like, in order to be an informed citizen, you don't have to read every single piece of legislation page for page word for word. You just need to...

These are facts. But in some effort and listen to educated people who are talking about it, who judge to be trustworthy, and then be a critical thinker about who you find to be trustworthy. You know, Stone Kettle station, the blogger, has a phrase that he keeps coming back to that is just two goddamn true, and it's if you want a better country, you need to be better citizens. Yep. And I feel like he needs to add an expletive in the middle of it. If you want a better country, you need to be better fucking citizens.

Yeah. You know, um, and, and the, yeah. Well, and just to tie it back. Yeah. Just to tie it back to Chad and the media's need for punditry. There was a study done in 2011 that showed quote, the mainstream news, particularly newspapers debunked the death panels early and fairly often. And quote, but because of the editorial decisions, enough journalists presented information in a he said, she said style. And that it confused uninformed readers and most journalists weren't given license,

weren't given license to include an explanation as to why pale and charged was false, you know, like actual reporting. So it wasn't even for a lack of desire or laziness on the part of the journalists necessarily. It was editorial decisions that said, what sells is punditry, what sells is he said she said. So you report on he said she said you do not actually address the facts

and say here's what she's saying, here's why it's wrong. Here's what she's saying, here's why it's wrong. Here's what she's saying, here's what an expert is saying. I guess we're going to leave it up to you. I think you're partly, that is a big part of it. I am also going to blame, I don't know, the Reagan administration, where, you know, we have to be, we have to give both sides a chance to make their argument. And, and the, the counter argument is, look, if one person says it's raining and another person says it's not raining, you don't just say, well, these two people say something different, you open

a window and you look for your fucking self. Right. You stick your hand out the window and see if it's raining. It did check. Yeah. You don't just go to someone's house and knock and go, excuse me, what are your thoughts on if it's raining or not? Yeah.

Yeah. The idea that, you know, both, if there is debate, you have to give both sides of the debate, the opportunity to say what they say without, without critique is this is like that's how objective. Yeah, like that's what objectivity is. And like, I don't know where that idea came from. I don't know when it got started. Well, you remember what I was telling you about in the original V the series. Remember the, the journalist in that who lost his job at ABC for, for actually doing reporting on bull

Connor and all of his bullshit, that, like, he lost his job. So it stretches back pretty far, because they're like, oh, you can't go editorializing that. It's like, this is what fucking happened. Yeah. And he stood by it and lost his job. And I think you had another of those guys who did that and they could move around and still had some gravitas.

Yeah. But as soon as the networks no longer, and it comes back to Reagan killing off the fairness doctorate, like it basically is that. As soon as the networks stop having to provide actual fairness doctorate, it opened it up. You know, it's like, oh, we could do this for profit. We could scare you for profit. Yeah. Another journalist study concluded that it was hard to combat misinformation of such a dire nature. Specifically, the dire nature of it was the part that was hard to combat, but that quote, concerned scholars, citizens, and journalists could create negative publicity for the elites who are promoting misinformation. So because it's so

dire, it is hard to fight. The best thing you can do is spread Salacious rumors through in the reputation of the shitheads. Not actually combat this shithead on, you have to do an end-around. And that brings me to, do you remember in the series, the first people who were immediately delegitimized in all the iterations of V who were the first groups of people who were demonized. Scientists. Yep. And then journalists. And then, then, then, yeah.

So. Well, because it can't happen here. Right. Like, yeah. Hello. it can't happen here. Right. Like, yeah, hello, you know, the the book burning images from the Third Reich are all from the Institute for Sexual Vision Chaffed. Right. Like, right. Scientists much. Right. You know. But back to birth or stuff because that. That ties a lot into the disturbing history of the show. Now, article two of the United States Constitution states, quote,

no person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president. Neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained the age of 35 years and been 14 years a resident within the United States. Basically, what this means is if you were not born in a state that the United, uh, in the United States, then you don't get to be president. Barack Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii, which that means Hawaii was a state. Yes, and he is therefore a natural born American. So case closed.

But is it well, yeah, except that hella people couldn't handle that a black man was president, so they came up with very, very twisted logic as to why and how he couldn't be president, because his mother's mobility in his early years, uh, the claim that gained the most traction was that he was born in Kenya, flown to Hawaii to falsify his birth, and then raised in Indonesia. And since Kenya and Indonesia have a high percentage of Muslims in their population, and because his name, middle name is Hussein, that must mean that he's also a Muslim. In reality, Brock Jr. lived in Indonesia until he was about 10 and then he came back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. So from 1971 forward, he's been a resident of his

home country, the United States. But Berthers had what we call in the business a Trump card. I see what you did there. Good, because I was not subtle. I'm playing it on pretty thick. When Obama wrote his books, he had a literary agent representing him. And the promotional booklet that was issued about him as an author stated as early as 1991 that Obama was, quote, born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. And, quote, now that error also went up on their website until 2007 when it was corrected. That he didn't know about any of this information is actually pretty believable. I mean,

I don't know what Blurbit says about the Latin program at my school's website anymore. But there's all sorts of publication information about authors that they don't know about. We're not all Bishop O'Connell. As early as March 2008, conservative websites were pushing, well, rightist websites were pushing this narrative. Thank you. You're welcome. And as earlier as early as 2004, political opponents of his of Obamas were pushing the narrative of his religion as being Muslim. Clinton's campaign had workers who lost their

jobs over pushing anonymous chain emails with these narratives. Really? Really? All right. Well, that's that sucks. So I'm integrity, though, too. Well, yeah, that they got fired. But yes, wow, that they tried it. In June of 2008, the national and I remember because a lot of people like, why is Hillary hiding it? I'm like, dude, she wants to be president. If there was an even an inkling of truth to that, it would have been well researched. It's not like she didn't have a proper research. Like like everybody and their uncle doing Oppo research would have been it would have been the front on the front page of every newspaper everywhere.

CNN would have been running it every five minutes. Yeah, it would have been on the car in the whole time. It would have just been masturbating over it for days on end. Well, in many ways, everybody and their uncle was doing Oppo research and it was fucking everywhere. So, but yeah, it was not verifiable in any way. Yeah. That was early as March of 2008. Oh, I said that.

In June of 2008, the National Review Online insisted that Obama release his birth certificate, which that's an interesting thing. It hasn't any other president, um, presidential candidate. It's a little weird. Yeah. Ever. Even you wonder why was, you know, assumed to live, you know, be born here. Yeah.

And he was in jail. Um, yeah, you know, be born here. Yeah. Yeah. And he was in jail. Um, yeah, I wonder why. Yeah, I don't, I can't, I could not turn up the reason in my, in my research. I could not find it. What, what motive could there have been for this candidate? Now, in August of 2008, a former Democratic state committee, a member of Pennsylvania, a former Democratic state committee member of Pennsylvania tried to sue Obama, alleging that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya. If you ever wondered why Pennsylvania went red in 2016. Well, there you go. It's, you've got Pittsburgh on one side,

you've got Philly on the other and you've got Alabama up the middle. Like... uh, uh, Philly on the other and you got Alabama up the middle. Like, so and because this shit was in the air, it did end up in people's soup. In NPR reported it once. It seems accidentally too, because then the AP also got splattered with this shit. Yeah. In June 2008, Obama's campaign released his birth certificate because it was enough of

an issue that he couldn't just put it off. Yeah. And of course, this was the certificate of live birth, which clearly isn't the same thing and does prove that he was not an American completely. And people began asking for the long form, not just the short form. And at that point, it was revealed that Hawaii doesn't have a different set of birth certificates, just the one kind.

And the very reporter from the National Review Online who originally insisted that Obama produces birth certificates said, quote, this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think that as original birth certificate would have any different data.

And the problem went away and everyone got back to more important things and the world moved on. Okay. So, so, so, so the guy called for it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, the guy.

Yeah. Here we go. Okay. It's an answer. There we are. We, you know, and the thing is, this is the point at which we start seeing the extreme wing, the more extreme wing, of the party start turning on the elements of the party that they learning on the elements of the party that they love the label as rhinos. And this is where we see the Tea Party Republicans starting to take control of the party away from the club Republicans. Yeah. You know, and, and yeah, it's just everything. Yeah, I, you may, dear listener, you may have heard me opening my second beer a moment ago because I know I'm going to need it. Yeah, because it turns out because, gee, many Christmas Christmas as it turns out, the problem didn't go away.

Everyone did not get back to more important things and the world did not move on because people then began to claim that Obama, his certificate had been digitally forged with Adobe Photoshop and lacked a stamp seal of the state, which led them to demand that Obama release his quote original 1961 birth certificate. And then Fox News platformed blonde pimple Jerome Corsi, who claimed quote, the campaign has a false fake birth certificate posted on their website. It's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop.

It's a fake document that's on the website right now and the original birth certificate that the campaign refuses to produce. More than a decade later. So we're talking 2019. Of course, he said, quote, I want to see the original 1961 birth records from Kenya. That'll settle it. The state of Hawaii will not show those records to anyone. There aren't any birth records from India. You've got to use the whole

of the Hawaiian era. Yeah, that there's proof that the Hawaiians are hiding it then. Yeah, that's making the question. So at what point, so at what point can we actually say actually say that that I don't know what percentage 20% 30% of the Republican base is clinically fucking paranoid. Well, in American fascism, I think she says it's somewhere closer to 45. Well, okay. Well, all right. So again, cock eyeed optimist, want to try to say the best in people. But like when, when, like the, the, the blatant, complete disregard for common sense and logic involved, like the deep seated level of hysteria. No, the need to sidestep people's logic. And it's like, alright, yeah, that's what is in play here is the need to push that to the side.

The don't believe what your eyes are telling you. Yeah, that part. Yeah. And the shit or well, the party, the party tells you what to believe. Yeah. And this shit was continuing past the premiere of V to the point where the Hawaii Health Department's head had to come out and say the most unnecessary sentences I've ever heard. quote, I, Dr. Chiomi Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health, verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and as a natural born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued October

2008 over eight months ago. There's so much more to this conspiracy dumbness, but suffice it to say it's horseshit, though far less helpful to the word. One radio show host Michael Savage said in December of 2008, after the election that quote, we're getting ready for the communist takeover of America with a non-citizen at the helm. I used to listen to him on my way home from work because I specifically wanted to keep my finger on the pulse of what fascists thought. Okay, that's a good way to do it. That was where I could find it.

And then they just fully took over the republic bar. Well, yeah, I can just look at C-SPAN. Yeah. A final quote from just before V aired, quote, here is what the Republican party needs to do. We have to say that's crazy. So I'm here to tell you that those who think the president was born somewhere other than Hawaii,

you're crazy. Let's knock this crap off and talk about the real differences we have You want to know who the avowed communist was that said that on October 1st 2009 McCain Lindsey Graham Her majesty Lindsey Graham really? Yeah, McCain's favorite. Yeah, okay, it's fucked up. But you did, but I'm not wrong.

You know, no, you're not, but and just for anybody, for anybody listening, if, if Lindsey Graham is actually, you know, closeted gay, I'm not, I'm not pointing that out. It's not his thing. It's not his gainess. It's the problem. It's the fact that he's un-bossed. That's the problem. No, it's, it's the fact that he insists on creating and supporting legislation that harms women and trans folks and everybody on the LGBTQ spectrum while being ostibly, rumourdly, a member of that population. It has happened. Oh, all over, like there's a document. Yeah, yeah, there's document, there's documented history of, you know, brown shirts. In, in, you know, Vimer, Germany, having having sex and then going out to beat up gay men in the street. Like, like, you know,

because, because those guys are, you you know deviance. Yeah, but anyway We're getting off the subject, but like speaking of the subject wait a minute Lindsey hold on. I'm sorry. I still gotta go back The Lindsey Graham man, this is crazy Wow Now how things change when the power dynamic is altered? When you are a power bottom. Yeah, you keep looking for a new top. So...

Okay. And Lindsey Graham is a white power bottom. So... Wow. Okay. Okay, and Lindsey Graham is a white power bomb. So Wow I mean still not wrong right and still fucked up. Yeah, yeah, desperately. So that's really fucked up So you might be asking yourself. Wow, wait a minute. I thought this was about V And you're right So I'm gonna get in some really crazy shit in the next episode. And that'll probably be the last episode. We'll see because the

crazy is just going to dive deeper. Like this was all just to set up the crazy stuff. This was not the crazy part. What? Yeah. So when we're done recording, go get another beer or three. You're going to be. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Clearly. I'm oh god. So other than that dread, what have you gleaned? Well, you know, in the very last couple of minutes, what really strikes me is that that quote from Graham is a very, very potent reminder of the way the chicken shit jackass hours within within upper echelon Republican society

have flipped the way they have turned into quizzlings. You know, because Lindsey Graham said that about, you know, Obama's birth certificate birth record. Uh-huh. And then Lindsey Graham was a vocal never trump or. Yep. And, you know, up until up until Republican convention in 2016. You know, Ted Cruz was. was like, his, have, have aged as well as the, the pictures of people when they first went out shopping during COVID. Yeah. You know, those things have both, those

are just like wonderful time capsules. Oh, yeah, they're amazing. Yeah. And him, him, he, he, he, obviously, he was running against Trump. And like, I mean, the man is a disaster anyway, like, you know, all the memes about him being the Zodiac Killer and being an alien and all of that stuff. I cherish all of them. Yes. Because I don't, because clearly he's a malignant narcissist and a sociopath like. And I'm usually one of that. Yeah, and, and, and, yeah, and, but, but, you know, nobody talks about my life, my wife

like that. Yeah, nobody talks about my wife like that. Yeah. And then, yeah, and, yeah, and then, and then, you know, weeks later is a stickofat of the lowest stripe Bertram and the the evolution of the of the the farthest wackiest

right wing of the Republican Party from being the Tea Party to being QAnon is a really remarkable study in how a personality can become, can you serve a position within, within a conspiratorial kind of mindset? Like, the more I look at it and, you know, American fascism was an excellent study in it. But the fact that the Trumpite core was there and was waiting for a figure like Donnie Boy to show up is in retrospect. Oh, obvious. Yes. But everybody discounted him because I mean, fucking look at the guy like But any objective by any objective measure from anybody who's not part of that old I mean look at the guy. Yeah, oh, yeah, you know just on looks alone never mind the lack of literacy or Cooth or like all the shit like all the shit that you would look and be like that disqualifies him made him uniquely qualified for this time and place.

And I'm getting get into why actually. Okay. Okay. All right. And okay. So that's that's part of what's what's at the top of my mind. And the other thing is. There are there are the people who are the hardcore believers that, you know, in the conspiracy theory

that Obama was born in Kenya and he was a plant and whatever, whatever. And then there are the other, I don't know, 55%, 60%, maybe, of the Republican party who make snide references to him as the Kenyan, right? You know, and they don't they don't really believe it but They're trading on people who do they're well they're trading on people who do and They're using it as a way to express disdain. Yeah, it's racism. I mean, it's straight across.

Well, it's that scene in the siege where he's like, I might just decide your Ethiopian. And he's like, you're stupid enough to think that's an insult. Yeah. You know, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. And, and the, the tactic that's been suggested to deal with those people is to look him right and go, you don't really believe that. Might as well try. I mean, well, and here's the thing.

I, I, I have had to do that. You mean, I, I, I have had to do that. I have had to do that in my own family. And the thing is, it in my own family because the individual in question is actually a person of some level of ideological intellectual honesty. It did work. Because again, he didn't really believe it. And, you know, but the 45% of the Republican Party who do believe it, it's terrifying. I don't, okay, so I think even they don't believe it, but it's K-fabe for them now.

And cut them drinking, but it's K-fabe for them now, to the point where the work that they're trying to pull on people that they're grifting. Because wrestling is absolutely a work. Yeah, absolutely a con job. And therefore, it is by definition a grift. The work that they're trying to pull on the, the goalable. And on each other, ultimately, I think there's this weird self-radicalizing. there's this weird self-radicalizing. For example. It's, it's, it's, that requires,

they keep K-Fabe. Well, they have to keep K-Fabe because so much of their identity is built now around the group identity. Yeah, it's, what is it? It's tribal epistemology. Yes, there you go, tribal epistemology, and identity, like it's group identification. Like you need to reassert your faith in the group thick. Yeah. You know, and it's one of those, there was a really remarkable article I read a number of years ago from an anthropologist talking about the intersection of ritual. And the example they used was this tribe of people,

I wanna say it was in Upper Winnu Guinea, that one of their rituals involved the construction of an effigy, and the women of village gathered together and they are building the effigy. And while they are building this effigy, they are talking about the effigy and they're you know, making jokes and whatever and it's like they're all aware of the constructed nature of the effigy. But then they also talk to the effigy as a person. And there is this weird intersection of genuine belief in the spirit of the effigy and the understanding that they are constructing it. And, you know, there is an within part of the article is also about within any religion, within any any faith practice. There are foundational rituals

that are the rituals that give all of the other rituals in the faith, their legitimacy. Yeah, you're giving yourself permission to make believe. Yeah. And, and four folks in who are believers in Qunod. The idea that Obama is a canyon is actually a canyon and secretly he's a Muslim. Right. It's like one of those points. It's a core tenant.

It's a core. I mean, it's yeah. Honestly, it's not that different than every other conspiracy having to tie back to. And I mean, when I say having to, as in, it requires for it to work that it ties back to anti-semitism. It's honestly, you just switched out the anti-semitism for this. Well, you haven't even switched out the anti-Semitism because the question then becomes, okay, all right.

So if we grant the ridiculous idea that he's actually a Kenyan, who is going to all the trouble to fool all of us into thinking he's an American citizen, and that's where you then get into, well, it's the Rothschilds and the global, globalist quote, back to the Jews. Yeah, back to, that's where white people who aren't white, who are rotting us from within, because, because, and actually, I'm gonna be touching on a lot of that.

Okay, all right. So we'll leave it alone for now. So what do you, what are you recommending for a reading? I'm going to continue recommending to Gunwitch by friend of the show Bishop O'Connell, who's I think this is like the third time we've mentioned him in this episode. So yeah, I'm gonna have to get up by the way to gun witch. I it's available on Amazon. Okay.

And I don't have a copy in front of me unfortunately, so I can't tell you who the publisher is. But I know. I typed in shampoo earlier and I found what I needed to find on Amazon. So if you type in Bishop O'Connell to gun, which you'll find it. Yeah. And then you can go lose somewhere else for it if you don't need it. Yeah. If you don't, yeah, if you can, you can find out who the, who the publisher is, uh, and you can order it directly from, from them. Or better against any of your local library publishing house. Better yet. Yes. And if they don't, uh, petition for them to do that because number one, they probably will. And number two, please support your local librarians because they are in fact quiet heroes. So, socialism's awesome.

If you fuck yeah. And I'm saying that it's the token conservative here. So that's what I- You really make up half the show. Yeah, we're not token anything. All right, fine. So yeah, that is what I'm reading right now. How about you? I'm going to actually just re-recommend

Brent Hannah Hill's American Fascism, but I want you to go to transgresspress.org to get it. You know, you could go to Amazon, but you don't need the points, and she gets more of a cut this way. So go to transgresspress.org. Yeah, we want we want we want brand to get all all the share of the finances possible. And you can actually grab it as an ebook or print copy like you really can. So I strongly recommend you go about it that way. So that's what I'm recommend because a lot of what I'm going to cover next time will is We can we can just refer you to the book. Yeah, pretty much for like for more information on this check page Fill in the blank. Yeah, exactly. All right. I'll give footnotes dammit

So all right I'll give footnotes, damn it. All right. Where can people find you on the social media? I can be found on social media as Mr. underscore Blalock on TikTok. I can be found on Twitter as eHblalock where I have lately been on a tear retweeting Jorts the cat because union thug for life. And of course, we collectively can be found on the Twitter machine as Geek History Time. And we can be found on the internet directly

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Damian has earned with his obsessive research for these several episodes now. And yeah, that's pretty much that where can you be found? And yeah, that's that's pretty much that where can you be found? Best place to find me honestly would be at Luna's on November 4th in Sacramento. We're doing capital punishment there. It's going to be a really good show. This will come out too late for you to go to the October 7th one. It was awesome. I'm sure. But yeah, so yeah, November 4th and or December 2nd, so at Luna's. So that'd be the best place. On a occasion, you'll find me on Twitter retweeting, you know, bisexual political activists from LA criticizing their local politicians. Okay. So, but other than that, yeah, that's

about all you can do right now. Okay. Yeah. I'd recommend going to find him at Luna's because it is not only a reliable place to find him, it is, in fact, the best place to find him. Yes. It's a good goddamn show. Yes. And Luna's just, it's an amazing vibe.

So, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Well, for a geeky history of time, I'm Damien Harmony. And I'm Ed Blaylock. And until next time, keep rolling 20s.