A Geek History of Time - Episode 304 - Star Wars EU Characters We Still Need to See

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

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when I finally decided I wanted to do for that birthday. Um, and unfortunately the place where I wanted to hold it, um, is going out of business before my birthday, we'll get here, um, at least according to the research that my wife, uh, was doing the other day, I got the same email. Yeah. Sucks. Yeah. I got an email. Yeah Sucks yeah, and so

She first let me know real quick They actually are still doing events tied to themselves at their bookstore annex Okay, but she did research yeah, yeah So she did research and found you know several other places where I'm able to do it And I hadn't had the chance to you know check any of them out online And we got talking about you know potential other plans, and she said well You know we could just hold your party here at the house, and if we didn't spend the money To rent a space out we could instead spend the money on like hatering the whole thing And then when she said that I was like well, you know, I mean if you're gonna talk about it that way

The hobbit in me immediately goes. Well, yeah Yeah So that might be 65 fuck you It's my second 25th, thank you right you're still like Frodo's age when he finally set out. Yeah. Yeah so Yeah So anyway, that's that's that's the news So, anyway, that's the news kind of there is the number one, the sad news that that particular business is going out of business and the realization that, you know what, we're

at a phase in our lives where we can actually have shit catered at our house if we want to. Nice. Like, wow, all right, cool. So yeah, how about you? Well, I. All right. Cool. So yeah. How about you? Well, I'm Damian Harmony. I am a US history teacher up here in Northern California at the high school level.

Two things. One, very quickly, I was at a faculty meeting recently where they said we unlocked a time capsule and reading all the things that they had back then and wow, the school was amazing back then and they had all these great things. I mean, honestly, it feels like I'm showing somebody a Bret Hart match to hear about how great the school is and then now you're watching Orange Cassidy keeping his hands in his fucking pockets as he barely kicks people. Like, that's the the the the You know the vibe contrast of yeah, but that said one of the things they mentioned

They're like yeah, and they had a vibrant Latin club back then and I'm like oh fuck off But whatever And and somebody turned to me like Damien, they had a Latin club. I'm like, wow, who are they going to get to do it this time? Uh, so because then shortly thereafter, they're like, Hey, sign up for whatever electives you want to do and we'll try to get them on the schedule. I'm like, no. You, you fucked me out of that.

Yeah. Like, no, I, I, I do not go back to that which has told me no. Thank you Yeah, so so that was the first one. The second one. Yeah is is far more jovial than that a buddy of mine in my D&D group shared with us that there is now a an app where you can track where you've pooped and you can keep track of where you've pooped and it's it's it's it's called the poop mac map I guess and and my buddy he's like yeah my name is gonna

be shitty take and and I was like well, I'm obviously gonna go I gotta take a dumb, you know, do you h? Yeah Yeah, but I'm not doing the poop map because It's just gonna be the same place Five days a week six days a week seven days a week Like I'm not a creative man when it comes to places to take a dump I'm like

Get me to my day and you know and that's it. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah Yeah, but yeah, I I would only have I'm like last night like my coffin, you know, I'm like, no get me to my day, you know, yeah I so yeah, I'm like, no get me to my day, you know, yeah, I so yeah There's yeah Like I'm actually now I'm like actively thinking about okay There might be four points on that map for me Like there's there's two different bathrooms depending on time of day that I might use at at school

Sure depending on time of day that I might use at school. Sure. And then I have two bathrooms in my house, one of which I use almost exclusively unless, like, you know, Lee is using it. Yeah. Like, I don't get... Well, and again, I am very specific. I want my bidet. Yeah, well.

So I will wait, thank you. So it'll be roughly the same time every day too. But I'm like that woman in Porky's. Okay, I admire your retention, because I'm not saying it's an easy ride home sometimes. I'm just saying. Okay, all right, cool. Because like, you. Because I get to work in the morning and we have a flex period at the beginning of the day.

And, oh man, I'm about to have a really hard time for a few weeks because normally my prep is first period and that's when I'll go take care of that. And I just realized I got notified because of staffing changes at my site. I'm going to be moving to sixth period prep after Thanksgiving. And yeah, my mornings are going to get colorful for a while. You need to change your coffee habit. I know, oh Jesus, my students won't like that at all. But anyway.

Anyway, so that's an app I will not be getting. Yeah. So. Yeah. Alright, so let's see. A while ago, and I don't know what order I'm gonna release these in yet. Yeah, I it's kind of funny. Um, I I have taken on a lot of the scheduling duties of our show and Producer George has taken over the posting duties, which I think used to be yours

And producer George has taken over the posting duties, which I think used to be yours. And he set up timers and stuff like that. And by and large, it works pretty well. So I do the editing and I do these kinds of things. And so sometimes we'll record something and I'll be like, you know, we've heard my voice a lot of times. Let's put this little one shot in here of Ed's and then, and then we'll go to this and that and and then I'll I'll listen to them when they pop out and it's like advertising something that had happened four months earlier or something because yeah, you know We do we record a fair amount of content but so sometimes we're like two weeks in advance sometimes we're two months in advance and

Then you know, the cool thing is I'll forget what we've recorded and so it's nice little surprise. Oh god damn. I'm funny um So I'll wind up having a conversation with a friend of the show Bishop and He'll be talking about oh, yeah, no. I just just listen to the episode about whatever and I'm like Oh, yeah, no, I just just listen to the episode about whatever and I'm like That was we did an episode about whatever we went wait, and I've got a thing for saying Yeah, so so anyway I I may have given this homework before but um I had people take a look at the the timeline of Star Wars Legends So to just kind of set the tone here

in What was it? 2012 which I was shocked in October 2012 Walt Disney Company Purchased Lucasfilm for $4.06 billion from George Lucas. I was shocked that it was 2012, to be perfectly honest. Hold on.

I had apparently forgotten the number of zeros involved in that figure. Oh yes, billion. You said it was 4 point oh six Carl Sagan Billion yes Wow, okay, yeah, and of course Lucas said yeah I'm gonna use a lot of money to give to education which I was like oh shit. Please don't like like Dress up chimpanzees like it's a civil war or something like don't don't put more money into education because

Every time a billionaire puts money into education. We fuck ourselves harder to try to get it Um, but anyway, that was 2012. I was shocked that it was that long ago Yeah, I could have sworn it was like 2015 but it was 2012. Um, and then in April of 2014 and and again, I thought this was a year later Lucasfilm which was now subsidiary of Disney

They rebranded what is known as the expanded universe to be legends, right? Okay and they declared legends non-canon. And we've been on the show enough times where you know my feelings on it. I don't care that they did. I kind of am glad they did. Because they didn't cancel my subscription to the physical books. Like, I can read those things anytime I want. And the reason why they did it is quite simple. Disney wants to tell the stories it wants to tell

Yeah, and not have to deal with what's canon what's not so they're declaring what's canon. Yeah prior to that. There's a whole Different set there was a there was a hierarchy of canon and there was a continuity Database that was kept and Star Wars I I will I will say the Star Wars Canon was more rigorously Autified than than Church Canon in in many ways, okay, you know Yeah, there's there's there's's more room there's more room in in Orthodox and catholic Christianity for hetero doxy Than there was

In in star wars fandom, uh, you know under under the expanded universe, uh, Yeah Okay So, uh, they did have a hierarchy i'm not going to go too much into it, but it was marked by letters Essentially G cannon was the top T cannon was just under that C cannon was under that S cannon decannon and then N cannon And then all of that went away and there was a move toward one canon and then Diane canon and then Carol Channing and it was just, it was weird.

And it went from Leland Chee being the keeper of the Holocron to the Lucasfilm story group which was essentially Chee, Pablo Hidalgo and a person named Kiri Hart. I'm gonna do a whole episode on the history of this. So I'm not gonna do it here. But what I am gonna do a whole episode on the history of this so I'm not gonna do it here But what I am gonna do here is talk about the fact that very often Disney has taken from what used to be the EU

Right and then ported it into their Movies and their cartoons and their series and stuff like that. For instance, in the EU, Jason and Jaina Solo are twins who were born to Han and Leia. And then they had a third child named Anakin. Through many things that happened, Anakin dies, many things that happened. Anakin dies and then Jason goes dark side. Jaina has to kill him. And so by the end of a book series that's like 30 years after Return of the Jedi, Jaina is the only child. She is growing up. She ends up getting married to Suntir Fel, and the family's been through the fucking ringer, the galaxy's been through the ringer three times, and it's really quite something.

Three different ringers, if I'm remembering right. Oh, quite so, yes. Different shapes, different blade widths. And here's the thing, Jaina clearly got turned into Rey. Jason clearly got turned into Kylo Ren. And also in the canon, or in the EU, Luke got married to a woman and they had a child and his name was Ben.

So, I mean, they ported that name over. And what I love about Disney canceling all the EU and all the canon is that they could play with things and and fanboys like me would be like, Oh, that's what they did with that. Okay, cool. For instance, the bad batch. They took an idea from a book called Allegiance. Allegiance was about storm troopers who disobeyed orders after the Death Star is blown up. It's like between the first Death Star and Hoth. And they have to go on the run.

And it's very clear that it's the Bad Batch. But also the Bad Batch is taking a lot from the Republic Commando series, which is one of my favorite series of all times, you know? And so you just kind of see stuff like this happening. Like the Mandalorian is clearly drawing, I mean, he had the brown armor and everything. He's clearly drawing on Jodo Cast,

but we're making him much less of a punk bitch. So, you know, it's yeah, it's some cool stuff It's it's really cool stuff, so I decided that I needed a lark of an episode and So this this long way around going round round the elbow to get to the wrist Is Star Wars characters I want to see a version of in? either series or movies Okay, I'm going for this all this is this is just my wishlist

So I like it the first one the right out the gate actually I'm gonna let you guess who would be the first character. I would want to see that we've not seen a version of yet There are several Faces I can think of but I don't remember names well enough. Okay, can you give any descriptions? The book title I Jedi oh yeah that's further down the list okay it's corn horn yeah corn horn my first choice is Mara Jade see that was the first one that came to my mind really obvious you know but I was like that's that's that's too up like you know you gotta hit hard with that you female lead a woman in her 30s or 40s there's a lot of strong actresses that could do this. Oh, yeah you you could

De-sexualize the bodysuit and give her like the really cool like cowl that she wears She's one of the best characters that the books ever gave us. She got her start in the original Timothy Zahn trilogy, and she was an immediate draw for the readership. Mara Jade was a complex, flawed, competent female character that was a match for Luke Skywalker at the time, despite her being inferior to him when it came to the Force. Because she knew better, she knew more, and she had more connections to other people, and she was honestly the roguish foil to his paladin self at the

time. Yes. In the original Thrawn trilogy, Mara Jade was a Force sensitive former hand of the Empire. Now that right there is cool. Like you could get deep lore into that or you could gloss over it and then it comes back for a cartoon series later. And they've given us Thrawn already. Yes they have. So like I mean come on. Right. Like it's the... And she doesn't even need to be tied to him, quite honestly. You can reimagine things, you know? Now, she was so loosely defined, but at the same time as the Hand, but it meant that while Vader was the Maul,

she was the scalpel. She would kill rebels, as well as corrupt and compromisable imperial officials. When the Emperor died, he sent her a psychic message that was a lie, and he basically sent her like a video, a gif, of Vader and Luke combining to kill him and one final command to him. You must kill Luke Skywalker. Yeah.

You don't even have to have Luke on, Luke could be Jaws. Like, you don't have to have Luke be on screen at all, which is probably better, and just have her constantly being put into a comatose state for a second, having to deal with that psychic echo. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, she took up with Talon Card, who was a smuggler, and he was kind of a smuggler prince of sorts, more on him later, don't worry, and he had his own crew and underground empire. How cool

would it be just to follow that fleet around? When Jade and Card accidentally came across Luke's broken down ship, she was drawn back into the politics of the remaining empire, which was at that time, under Thrawn, and she sought to carve out her own path with her own moral compass. Here you've got somebody who's neither light nor dark, who's compelled to hunt the light side guy, hates him for it, but doesn't feel particularly loyal to the Empire, and by the end of the trilogy,

she had turned on Grand Admiral Thrawn. She had murdered Luke's clone named Luke, and his Luke with two U's, and she was gifted the newly recovered Anakin lightsaber by Luke. Now, in that version, his hand had fallen, and that's the thing by which they cloned Luke out of um and that was cloned by the mad Jedi Joris Saboth Who himself was also a clone if I recall correctly so he was Joris Saboth

And then she had to carve out her own life not based on hiding this time But that was going to be a new skill set for her That's at least two seasons right there Her story doesn't end there in the EU by the way But the books in the current situation the canon veer widely from each other at this point She ends up in the books marrying Luke Skywalker Mothering the only child Ben Skywalker and then dying while fighting Jason Solo who had gone full Sith Yeah, she told him that he was as vile as as Palpatine as she lay dying and her final words were to Jason

And she says you think you've won, but Luke will crush you and I refuse to let you destroy the future for my Ben She was a badass. Oh, yeah been. She was a badass. Oh yeah. There's plenty of her early life post Endor that they could do, but honestly she could have been an awesome character to introduce in The Mandalorian. Beats the shit out of Gina Carano. But honestly I'd love to see her in a spin-off post Yavin. Kind of a similar tone to Endor, but from other side have her have her hunting Luthen Rail Yeah, you know or have her be a post-Endor character similar to the Mandalorian but dealing with rediscovering her own identity Having only the false memory of Luke and Vader killing Palpatine in her head and having to struggle with that while staying out of the hands of Moff Gideon as having only the false memory of Luke and Vader killing Palpatine in her head and having to struggle with that

while staying out of the hands of Moff Gideon as he's trying to rebuild that. Oh, as he's trying to, yeah. Or put her on the periphery of the Thrawn series, but I don't think you need it there, honestly. I think you got enough star power with the Rebels being in it. Yeah.

So that's my first one. My second one would be Talon Card, actually. Okay, but before we move on yes There's just one one thing. I want to I want to say there. Uh-huh. I I Have another reason for for wanting to see Marajade Because you have a redheads more one but but more than that I Want some reason, some excuse for Disney to have to have younger

Luke around because I want to see them cast Sebastian Stan as 30 something Luke Luke Skywalker. Yeah, because I mean fucking my not Yeah, look at him next to a picture of Mark Hamill and yeah, come on You know while we're at it, why don't we cast margin? I I say once Olivia Munn is done recovering from her surgeries Okay, um Because she she had a radical double mastectomy recently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah once she's done Put her in this role. I Marjane does not have to be a redhead True. I think Olivia Munn when she's given a really good role does a really good job. Oh, yeah

So I I genuinely believe in her acting chops And it would be interesting to see number one, it would be interesting to see, number one, it would be interesting to see how they resettle the character on a person who has had a double mastectomy. And I'm not sure what she's doing reconstructively afterwards. Yeah, yeah.

But either way, I think Olivia Munn would kill the shit out of this role. Like, he barely contained Fury. Yeah. So. I fully fully yeah, no I I I can't think of a better Suggestion for that. I yeah, no, I'm with you on that. All right, so next one talent card Another character from the original Zan trilogy and I think I stopped doing Zan trilogies after this If you were to take Lando and Han but make him smarter than both of them and a little bit older,

you'd have Talon card. Yeah. He's like- Make him a Silver Fox, and there you go. He's a more successful and smarter version of Mal. Yes. Yeah. I called him a smuggling prince.

I think he is that. He had a fleet. He had a hidden base on a planet that was actually protection against the force itself. He had his two pet vornskers, Sturm and Drang, which we talked about that. And he employed a bunch of really cool characters in their own, right? Yet the weird kid who's a slicer Mara Jade chin the semi elderly man as his communications and operations chief and Plenty of others and this one's easy. We don't have a crew traveling story. That's not clone based yet

Or kid based because there's one That's that's as of this recording has not clone based yet or kid based because there's one that's as of this recording has not come out yet. Totally mundane, episodic, you can tie it into the bigger universe in unexpected peripheral ways. He's a information broker so you could absolutely have him talking on screen to somebody, you know, like, and you could hear their voice.

You could have them come in and do guest spots for voice stuff. If we need to see someone see a force dragon in the outer rims, you've got this crew. If you need someone who connects to the heroes of today with an aged apricot of a hero of yesterday, got it. Imagine him giving information to Maz Kanata. Someone who's got his own code of ethics and a loyal crew who deals with imperial remnants and ultimately betrays them? He's your guy. The possibilities for this are absolutely endless. But I don't want to see his origin story.

I don't want to see his origin story. I Want him to know old man who's looking to retire but unable to because of his special knowledge In a series that is detailing the rise of the first order itself And he's the one that sells the information to Vice Admiral Holdo Who herself will bring it to General Leia before episode 7 even starts? Okay, all right so Yeah, I think as far as talon card goes I I do not think we've seen Idris Elba in Star Wars We haven't and

Need to yeah, I see no reason why he shouldn't be Idris Elba, dude right Dude, yeah Mr. Weir, we are canceling the apocalypse. Yeah, like yeah. Oh, oh, I'm all over that. Uh-huh All right, yeah, okay The next one is by far my favorite EU character from the books. You've got so much potential with him, too Do you want to take a guess at who this was? Now I got burned the first time

Bort sub ring Okay, and I'm glad I didn't take a guess because this is a deep enough cut that I'm I'm you're gonna Have you're gonna have to introduce me to this character. I'm sorry. It's vort sabin ring I apologize. Um piggy so And it's okay if you don't know piggy. Um, he was a Gamorrean who had been experimented on by the Empire They're trying they were trying to see if they could make different species more useful to their needs

Oh shit, his experiment was considered a possible success but because of the incredible acumen they gave him he managed to escape. So they amped up his brain. So think rocket raccoon but far less psychotic and far more porcine. Okay. Once he got to a planet that wasn't the Empire He researched the war and made a very specific decision to join the war on the side of the rebels He is the smartest character in the EU In terms of just brain power and IQ He was however a Gamorrean and he ran into the prejudice of human rebels Who spun his own self-defense into an assault charge

They tried to hit him. He put his hands up. They're like you tried to hit me and they tried to get him court-martialed Now he's part of Wraith Squadron is no secret how much I love Wraith Squadron, right? But Dennis Lawson is too old to play wedge so Yeah old to play Wedge. So, yeah, have Piggy be one of the commandos like the ones who went to Scarif doing counterintelligence work between episodes four and six. There's about three and a half year gap between Yavin and Hoth and another nine months between Hoth and Endor. So he's perfect for that. Gamorrean guards don't age as much.

So you could have different actors within there as well. Have him keep the joy of doing math during fighter battles because he's literally doing advanced calculus while he's flying and getting not shot. Wow, okay. Because that's what they did to his brain, right? And have him be crucial on protecting the identity of the planet that the rebels are hiding on. Have him also discover something else that's crucial to the Empire that will enable the rebels to get into a

position to send Manny Bothans, whoever that was, to find the plans for the second Death Star. I'm sorry, Manny Bothans. I'm picturing a Bothan with a New York accent. I don't know why it's specifically... Hey, I'm spying here! Yeah, I don't know why the name Manny does that, but... Yeah. But yeah, have him discover something crucial that then they get the plans for the second Death Star.

I don't mind another psychological thriller, and having one that's led and hosted by a non-human, non-Jedi lead that we care about is fucking awesome. Especially Piggy. And the person to do this. He's already been in Star Wars movies But Andy Serkis Yeah, I mean yeah his ability to mime and emote Yeah, you know he would make that shit work, and he's got great voice work Yeah, and stuff like that so Yeah, I want piggy. I want piggy so so bad. Okay Okay, so my next one

The only Jedi on the whole list Okay, this guy lived through multiple eras And you could have this be in a series that goes through multiple eras his name is Kukruk Okay, okay He is a whippet So big tusky dude Okay, yeah, yeah, okay now he can flash back to the temple days But he could also be guiding the Jedi who come to him after Luke is dead.

Oh. Like he lived a long fucking time. Like a long time. In fact, yeah, I'll tell you more. So he's a whippet Jedi who shows up first in the Clone Wars comic books. He was a very typical Jedi. He discovered to have the Force at birth. He was a very typical Jedi. He discovered to have the force at birth. He

was raised in the temple. He was about 30 years old when Anakin became Vader. He was an effective diplomat of the Jedi Order, doing all kinds of standard Jedi shit before the Clone Wars got started, until his master died protecting him, at which point K'Kruk went into a rage and slaughtered every Yinchori that he could in the area who was attacking him until he returned with his master's body to the Jedi temple. So he's already given himself to the dark side once. You have a conflicted Jedi who's failed not only to keep his master alive, but failed to do as his master asked and run and make that sacrifice worth it And he fell to the dark side for that right and he has to live with that

his whole life and It's a long life So when the Quinlan votes infiltration plot took off in the comics the croc was one of the Jedi who were thinking of apostasy K'Kruk was one of the Jedi who were thinking of apostasy. But he saw through the manipulation that was happening to the others who questioned the morality of leading a slave clone army as Jedi. And because that's easy to point to, but and he didn't join Dooku's side either. He went off and continued contemplating the force and his role within it. So you have somebody who stayed out of the major conflicts but was hearing about it.

Now eventually, K'Kruk decided to continue to support the empire, or the republic, excuse me, despite the problems that were inherent in leading an army that was literally bred to die because he saw Dooku as a greater evil. And according to K'Kruk, evil must be stopped. So here you've got a guy who is actually not being absolutist Yeah, and he's saying here's the greater evil here

And then he nearly gets killed by Grievous in the original Clone Wars cartoons Oh, wow, and I mean the original cartoons like not the ones that look like play-doh. Oh the gindi Tartakovsky 2d 2minute 2d ones. Yeah. Yeah Oh, wow. He is nearly killed introducing grievous um He did whatever the Jedi needed of him. He nearly got killed most of the time it seems He would have actually died with ki-ati Mundi at my keto had he and his companion Jedi not been ambushed

Mundi at Myketo had he and his companion Jedi not been ambushed. This would lead them to missing the attack on Coruscant with the rest of the clones with him at a Jedi Annex Academy, so you could bring in the Annex Academy stuff. And then when Order 66 came through, he went as close to his rage as he could get to protect the Jedi younglings from the clones who were just following orders. He got away with a bunch of younglings and he sought to help them to learn the force but also to survive and I think this era of his life, the post order 66 growth of the Empire should be a majority of his flashbacks, but they're not the actual series. The actual series is him being followed while dealing with a parallel storyline, trying to rescue Jedi from the Fallen Temple after

Kylo Ren destroyed it. You got this parallel thing happening, he's flashing back, you know. Kind of like the TV show Lost lost Right. Yeah, you know Kukruk had worked with Luke to build the temple So we could get all kinds of great flashbacks to his being the bridge between the two skywalkers Showing Luke the old ways and helping him design the new ways advising him But letting Luke be the leader and then Kylo destroys the fucking temple Luke self-exiles much to Kukruk's disappointment because Kukruk had done it too And Kukruk starts looking for the younglings who hadn't been killed off to protect them again

Incidentally he and Master Zhao actually met while he was protecting the younglings shortly after order 66 and They you remember Master Zhao. I've talked about him. The soup guy. Yes. And they rebuilt a hidden temple together. And it would be cool to bring Zhao in like for kind of like the final episodes of again, I think this is a two season, maybe a three season, 13 episode arc. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be better if it was animated to be perfectly honest

Yeah, I can see that yeah, and I think Sam Witwer should do his voice because I think Sam Witwer has the range Although I would want somebody to go lower in their register, but Sam Witwer is getting older. So maybe he could do that. Yeah He's the one that voiced Darth Maul. Yeah, and and and also of course Clancy Brant are killer. Oh, oh, yeah. He was Stark. Oh actually come to think of it. I would rather Clancy Brown did his voice He's the one that did savagely press. Yeah. Yeah Well, yeah, I mean Clancy Brown. Yeah, I mean searchers voice you could absolutely add a little rasp to that So yeah, I'm gonna say Clancy Brown. Yeah, I mean searchers voice you could absolutely add a little rasp to that. So yeah, I'm gonna say Clancy Brown All right, yeah, so the next one

Again from the books not from the comics. Yeah is Darth Bane Mmm now this was an awesome book. It was a duology book if I recall Mmm. Now, this was an awesome book. It was a duology book if I recall But it's too sweeping to be a show or a movie or even a fucking trilogy to actually work also, he's absolutely a bad guy who developed the rule of two and Disney kind of has already tried to channel Darth Bane and his apprentice Darth Zanna With the Dark Jedi foils in a Soka Who were like the the foil to Soka and Sabine.

Yeah. So the older fellow and the young gal with the wild hair. Right? Yeah. That was clearly them grabbing, Balen Skoll and Shin Hati. They were, there was so much overlap physically between those characters. And so while I think we deserve him,

I don't think there's a good place for him, to be honest. Yeah. It sounds interesting, but it's really hard to put a story that occurred a thousand years before episode one out there when you're following the bad guy in a space opera. Yeah. Just doesn't seem to work.

It's hard to, yeah, that is hard to make work. But there were no interesting good guys that he fought. Like it really was compelling to follow him, but I don't wanna watch a series about somebody evil for an entire season. Yeah. All right, so the next one. Okay.

Is Alice Sapper. OK, OK, deep cut. Yeah, I love this character. She was a reporter. We've not done a reporter. She was a reporter who used a three PO head that was mounted on her shoulder as a hollow camera So just like the okay. It was the visual of that

Yeah, and you know how like Star Wars is big on using silhouettes. Yeah, that'd be a cool silhouette You know that that would certainly be distinctive. Yeah, she's annoying as fuck She is inquisitive and she finds her way into most places of importance and power on the outer rims and on the inner rims. So you would follow her and her 3PO and you would you just kind of follow her following stories and she's this intrepid, plucky, energetic female lead, weirdo reporter who would be a fresh breath of air for a Star Wars audience. We've already seen a female character with a relationship to a droid companion with Osha, but this would be on a whole nother level. Because she could be the one who puts it all together. That junta That's the first order is getting started and have her be the one who breaks the story and right before she breaks it

She's captured by the Republic intelligence officers not by the first order and she ends up telling vice-admiral Holdo everything that's coming Okay, now this would do three things it would show us the incompetence of the New Republic that led to the Junta in the first place. Yeah. It would give us yet another aspect of all the Star Wars galaxy to explore through a reporter and HoloNet news network. So now you could have a bunch of folks doing that. All sorts of inner workspace things that can happen. Reporters who are in support of the Junto, reporters who see it for what it is, editors who are too feckless and incompetent, that one editor who has integrity, but he dies a little too explicably in the first season.

And the third thing it does is that it shows us how fascism grows in outer space. OK, and you could just be following her. And I think honestly just a single season would work just fine as a story also visually we haven't seen anything because you know she she has the camera over her shoulder right we haven't done very much or seen very much in the Star Wars universe that does the body cam footage, you know, first person viewpoint, literal over the shoulder kind of kind of visual. And I think that would be an interesting cinematographic device.

Yes. To introduce into the milieu yeah So I think the person best to play her would be Paraminder Nagra Okay, I can see that from bend it like Beckham she played dr. Rascrotra on ER. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was in The Inhumans. I might be mixing up my Marvel properties that she was in. But she is short. She has this layer of pluck to her. Yes. She has a gravitas to her.

She can just like, she's short, but she could bring anybody down verbally. Like she's got an intensity to her. And I think also she could absolutely play the annoyed really, really well with the droid. Yeah Yeah, all right the next next character I really really want to see is actually let's see one two three four five people all together I want Star Wars mash Okay

There was a med star series of books And it included den durr who's a reporter I five week white you which I'll get into him in a bit Joss Vandar Zaniant and toke Lee train All of these are characters from the med star series it's it's space mash All of these are characters from the MedStar series. It's space mash. Dendur is a reporter. He's a Celestion reporter. We don't have that much representation of them,

who is there to report from the front lines. He discovers all sorts of malfeasance, both useful and corrupt, and he has to decide what to send back. He ends up censored a whole lot and under a lot of suspicion in the Republic. So you're getting at the corruption of the bureaucracy with his character and also him being kind of a seasoned and not embittered but jaded veteran reporter. reporter I 5y q is the droid that it's essentially a protocol droid but with extra gizmos and gadgets and he gets assigned to the rim Sue a rim Sue is our m su

The Republic Medical Surgical Unit and he's assigned as a medical assistant Den becomes pretty good friends with him and I five has a pretty good relationship. I'll be it sometimes antagonistic With the rest of the folks who are working there. Joss Vandar is your Hawkeye Pierce character very clearly. He's a surgeon, he's good at what he does, but he's got a shittier relationship with his very wealthy parents. He's actually Corellian. You could get into Corellian culture and customs. There's definitely very Jewish coded stuff with his backstory. His parents don't want him marrying a non-Corellian. He has an uncle who was also made a pariah.

And now he's starting to see the wisdom of that and so on. So you could get into the culture of being Corellian. Zan Yang is Joss's trapper, John. He is a really good musician. He dies during an evacuation at the end of the first book, which sends Joss into an alcoholic spiral until he finds his defiant but seasoned joy again. So I think this is a two season deal.

Enter in second season, Cornell Uli Divini, who's a human from Tatooine who's also a capable surgeon um He could fall for whatever jedi is sent to help them to heal and then get devastated when they hear about order 66 and uh cornell could be the one who refuses to believe that the clones did their duty by killing the jedi so you could Get into that so it's spawning it's more clone wars era stuff, but like it's also getting past order 66 like order 66 could happen like midway through season two.

You could even spin the series off from him and and continue to have him be a doctor under the Empire, being insubordinate even to Darth Vader, someone from within the Empire who's just trying to keep people healthy, you know, the many, many well-meaning bureaucrats who are part of a system that they can't seem to escape. And so they just try to do the best they can. Working to keep slave-wookes alive on the Death Star for instance something like that right right Um, or you could have him end up working next to Keno Loy Okay, you know or you could have him end up being one of the guys who did the sign language Prison

Tokle train is a Lordian nurse. She could absolutely be an alcoholic, and she's also able to read body language better than anyone because she's a Lordian, so you could get into that a little bit. Her home planet was actually enslaved by the corporate sector, not even the Empire, so there's tons of good stuff there.

In many ways, she was treated like the romantic interest of the main character, but I say rehab her a little bit and don't even don't ever have them get entangled and have her be the grim live Or the grim person who's like live today because tomorrow we're gonna die and she'll push all the buttons, you know, okay In the second season she figures out that the equanus Psychologist and they're called minders at the time, his name's Chloe Merritt. Iquanus literally think horse-faced. He's actually a spy for the Separatist funneling the missing supplies that Den is trying to track down.

So it's like MASH, but with spy and espionage. Joss can be the one who ends the threat if we need a male hero, but I honestly think she could do the same. So it's very much a ensemble cast. And then, you know, she could then mix up medicines that would save his life, and then go back to drinking that night, you know? And then they could also have a subplot about Bakta or back to substitutes, ethics of experimenting

on clones because they're all genetically identical. So what you learn on this one will work for all the rest. Yeah, really get into the bioethics there. The clones humanity. Oh, and also after every shift, they always play Sabacc. So you could absolutely have a touchstone for almost every open and close of the episode. So it could be a procedural,

mash-based with these undercurrents. Right, right. So I think that would be really, really cool. There's too many characters in there for me to really cast it But yeah The next character is Jack's Pavan

Okay, he is the son of a janitor who was at the Jedi temple But he showed force potential Mmm, so then he gets brought into the temple, and then they immediately fire his dad. Which is going to embitter his dad tremendously. Mm-hmm. And then, yeah. And then at Order 66 happens, so like you have that whole thing. That could be flashbacks. Order 66 happens. So like you have that whole thing that could be flashbacks.

Jack's hid from the Order 66 by going deep into Coruscant's underworld and working as a private investigator, which you've got your PI show. There you go. We haven't seen that yet. And it's all on Coruscant with its dirty under levels. Nice. Yeah. And so you could do your hard boiled detective thing. You could make it noir, because I know you love your noir.

You could. He uses the force, but he doesn't do Jedi stuff. This could easily be a full miniseries with all sorts of noir effects. Lots of anti-Jedi stuff to be had throughout the series because it's Coruscant after Order 66 Yeah, and seeing all that stuff and having and like, you know, one of the people he helps is his dad Yeah, you could absolutely have that be a thing and they don't know also That'd be a thing and they don't know. Also, he's where I-5-Y-Q can actually come back to after the war is over, and then you could turn it into

kind of a buddy PI series if people want. Okay, cool, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. I like it. Yeah. All right. As far as who would play him, I honestly don't know. I would like to see a darker side of

Oh god, what's his name? The fellow who kept Who kept the business running while Ant-Man was in jail the one who talks really fast and narrates the things oh yeah i'd want to see him i'd love to see him doing that because seriousness yeah i'd like to see him try a serious role you know yeah um yeah or um yeah i mean there's there's a lot of young actors that could do this. You just need someone to look burnt out. And alcoholic. So. Yeah, no, I like the concept.

Yeah. So, the next one is. It's Michael, by the way, it's Michael Pena. Michael Pena, yeah. Yeah. Because he played Gomez too, didn't he? Or no? No.

I'm thinking of someone else. That's, that's, oh, Jimmy. That's an older actor. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, but yeah, Michael Pena, and Luis was the character who ran the front of the business while he was in jail. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so what happened was right? Let's have it not be that at all like come yeah, yeah type, you know, yeah Yeah, it again it would be like having Will Ferrell play a serious role like in Stranger than fiction. Yeah, like it works so well. Yeah so All right. This the the next one is a guy named Kyrten Lure Okay, you might remember him from the Admiral Dalla Series yes, okay. Yeah

so really tall excellent memory having guy like like insanely good memory like Shock that he's not genetically modified memory. Yeah Have him just be so much smarter than everybody else, right? Um, by the way, david tennant is playing this character Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. He needs somebody who's gaunt of cheek I I already know exactly the vibe. Right. Just from you saying that, okay, I know where we are.

Right. He's an Imperial up and comer, and he's a commander. The thing is, he has to answer to whoever is running Imperial intelligence at the time of the Battle of Endor. So we could look at what they did for Andor and then work your way forward right and so whoever's in charge of Imperial intelligence he's an underling for them. Two season arc easily and he's we're following him so we're following the bad guy who is trying really hard to so he's he thinks he's doing the right thing and it's by any means necessary

So he does horrible horrible torture shit just like we saw in Andor, right? He's trying to navigate the warlords who are in charge of different areas during the fall of the Empire So we can see that structure calling falling apart. Okay Have him on Coruscant when it's liberated but then have him escape to join up with Thrawn. And yeah, it's a bit of a retool, but have his failings be similar to Director Krennic's failings, all that ambition but constantly getting flustered. Okay.

And have him be so contemptible that you're like It's almost Walter White esque like yeah you like at first Wow This guy's impressive and then you're like this guy needs to fucking die and then Yeah, yeah out of shit Respect how he does it? He's just chicken shit healing his way through it, right? Um Have him do all that and he's constantly frustrated

But at the end he finally fucking bites it and it's piggy and piggy squad that kills him because while He was trying to keep them off of Coruscant, they were coming for him. And you could absolutely tie Wraith Squadron to Cureton Lord. Nice. Okay. Yeah. Okay, yeah. I like that a whole lot. The one question I have though. Yes.

So he flees Coruscant. Mm-hmm. And you said... Because Coruscant gets liberated yeah, yeah, and he flees Coruscant at that time And you're talking about him joining up with Thrawn Yeah, okay, like like working. He doesn't have to join up with Thrawn You know you could have him join up with others you can I'm just trying to remember I'm just trying to remember the timeline of when it is exactly the front now that now that we're in the established

Canon of what is In the Star Wars universe thrones supposed to be about five years after the Battle of Endor Okay And okay Coruscant was supposed to have been liberated. I think three years after the Battle of Endor Coruscant was supposed to have been liberated. I think three years after the Battle of Endor Okay, or something like that or maybe two years after so okay, and so so so alright Cuz I'm trying to think from rebels

to Ahsoka and the the Transgalactic. Okay. All right. I'm just trying to remember when it was that he actually like made the, you know, space whale, you know, Right. Yeah.

Oh, so that's, that is, that's right before the Battle of Yavin. Because, because Ezra is the same age as Luke basically Okay, and Ezra is just about 18 when all that shit goes down Okay. Yeah So like I said, you know when Disney Decoupled themselves from yes you a lot of these timelines don't matter as much and yeah Yeah, put some things in different spots. So, okay okay Yeah, he doesn't have to run out to Thrawn He could you could create Admiral Dala as one of the warlords that he runs out to

She becomes one of the badass warlords or something like that. See see I'm surprised you haven't already mentioned Dala Well, I think lore is kind of how you could get there. Yeah, and and I mean there's so many good ones, right? Yeah, well Dala would be a good one, but we kind of already have What do you call it you kind of already have The intelligence Maven In in what's-her-face in and or oh in many ways that's the imported dolla into that And that's what keeps happening. They keep grabbing those characters. So i'm trying to find people who are unique who okay? Yeah, who still haven't filled, you know that kind of thing. Um, I think having kirtan lore As a much more intelligent and less feckless version of the toady

Uh who hates his mommy? Oh? That guy yeah and and Talk about characters you love to hate Yes, and and and the last episode of that series the the the last moment like between the two of them Oh, God So good like oh My god the acting was Wow, yeah Like between the two of them. Oh god so good like

Oh my god, the acting was Wow. Yeah. Yeah By the way, jack's pavon the uh, the the private investigator Yeah, erin paul would be a great version If he could tone back the burnout a little bit. Yeah, you know, yeah Uh, honestly, dominic monahan would be really good at it Just fast forward a little bit. Yeah, I was gonna say I think Dominic Monahan at this point might be a little old Based on what you're what you're describing. Yeah, maybe maybe yeah, you're right. You're right But I think but I think you could do a good job. Yeah. Yeah. Well cuz you could have the the

Janitor having to leave the job happen at any time before. So like you could, you know, you could have the Order 66 stuff. Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, all right, so the next one very obvious Tycho oh

Yeah, yeah, okay, just second get the guy who Tycho cell to he flies the a-wing into the second Death Star and leads a bunch off and doesn't get shot down Tycho's a fascinating character. He gets tortured by he gets captured and tortured by the Empire and turned into, not turned into, a sleeper agent, but they don't know that he's not turned into a sleeper agent because other people have been turned into sleeper agents who've been captured by the same part of the Empire. And so he has to essentially be on house arrest the whole time because they never know how much he's conscious of himself so you can get really into the You know, hey, we're the good guys, but we're treating this guy this way and he's like

I'm gonna do whatever it takes to fight the Empire if that means I got to be on house arrest then fine if it means I got to fly into battle and I don't get any guns fine it, you know and just boom boom boom. Yeah, um You could have Aaron Eckhart play him okay okay I think he would do a decent job okay um and Tycho could be uh this could be during the Thrawn times quite honestly um this could be post Thrawn as well Yeah, this could be Mandalorian times He could kind of fit in anywhere the problem with with having him is you almost kind of need to have Wedge Because he and Wedge are best pals and that's one of the reasons that I left him to the end of this list You know, you could radically restructure rogue squadron and have it be, honestly, you could have Tycho be this old man who's been captured by the First Order

and been tortured. You could push it that far and that way you don't need Wedge. Yeah. Tycho could be training New Republic pilots, but there's so much else going on with the the New Republic and the the resistance Yeah, that Tycho doesn't seem to fit there So that's kind of why like he's kind of Darth Bane in some ways like he's a very fascinating character But he doesn't work in a series Yeah That's a shame though. It is it's a real. Yeah, like cuz there's a lot

there's a lot to chew on there so much, but You need Dennis Lawson to be about 30 years younger for any of that to work Dennis Lawson you got any nephews that are actors or like Only one but like I think he did a heroin movie and then hasn't done much since so shit. Yeah The other one was Corrin horn yeah you'd mentioned yes I think you run into some of the same kind of issues here you've got a guy who was part of Corellian security so you could get into Corellian history he's also a Jedi he's also an X-Wing pilot. I mean kind of he's the Wish version of Luke. Yeah.

And there's no good place to put him where it doesn't feel like he's already kind of been represented. Yeah. In many ways he is the template for Poe. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. So that's why I didn't mention Corin earlier. Yeah. I really like him. He's a very compelling character. He's a Jedi that can't use telekinesis. I love that. And he actually designs a lightsaber that that varies in length and has a silver blade and all these kinds of really cool things. Yeah

But he just he does too much in the books for Him to work as a character In live-action or cartoons. Yeah to be directly ported over. Yeah Yeah, to keep his identity like yeah, it's already been sapped into these other characters his identity like yeah it's already been sapped into these other characters yeah like the reason i like tyco so much is because i really wish they would have developed snap wexley more okay yeah you know and they didn't and then he died and it's like he kind of turned into a bigs yeah like why are we caring that this guy died pilotsots in their facial hair. Um I also Really and this is the last of the of the list. I would love

the yu zhan vong I'm the only one who would but I would love the yu zhan vong Yeah, skin is brought in Wow You know, oh, yeah What I what I think What I think the new Continuity has done yes that might make it easier for me to swallow the concept of the eugène vong mm-hmm is

They've all, they, they have created the whole idea of, of the, you know, trans galactic, you know, uh, hyperspace tunnel connection in Asoka and having built that particular narrativeative infrastructure mm-hmm The idea of the eugène vong showing up Would be cool some somehow somehow bothers me less than it did Yeah When it showed up kind of like out of nowhere in the extended universe and see I liked the out of nowhere because it gave Credence to Oh Palpatine was playing a very long game and he knew they were coming and It doesn't make him better. But like, you know, yeah, you know and and it kind of makes the the Chiss more

Important because they held them off a few times. Yeah So as far as the usual long it would need to be an animated series Yes, it would not work. Otherwise need to be an animated series and For folks who don't know the Yuzhan Vong are an extra galactic species. They came through what's called the crunch Which is the edge of the known galaxy? And they do not like technology. They see all technologies and abomination they worship suffering and death because these are just parts of life. They bend all life to their will because that's what the gods want them to do.

They literally sacrifice themselves and others and parts of their own body, and then they put biotech on and it's all grown. And what's interesting is it's all kind of biologically 3D printed. And so they get grafted things onto them and they get very good at using them. They have these things called amphistaffs, which turn into whips, and they actually are strong enough

that they block light sabers. And most importantly, they're invisible in the force. They do not exist in the force. They have been banished from the force according to the books. And as a result, the Jedi have none of their advantages against these guys. They come in and they invade the galaxy and it is like Germany 1942. And they have just taken over a giant swath of the galaxy and then it's Stalingrad and then they start pushing them back out. And there's really cool shit that happens. Anakin actually, Anakin Solo dies

fighting a bunch of them. And this was the 19 book series that stretched over 9-11, so it definitely changed tonally after that. But the Yu-Jung Vong are this fascinating, the rebels were so compelling because they were so low tech compared to the empire and they still managed to win because they were what George Lucas thought the be at Kong were with the Ewoks. And the Yu-Jon Vong are this dominating force that also does not use all the nice new tech.

So even though the New Republic has won, they're now challenged by this group and it costs the galaxy trillions in terms of people. And I loved it. I thought it was a fascinating series There's so much that goes on the you Jean-vong have these things called ooglith maskers They can make them look just look just like anyone else, which means you're saving a bunch on special effects if you want to have them be spies and I mean they literally they sacrifice their eye and then they replace it with an eye that spits poison, you know and shit like that

It's it's yeah. Yeah, it's really something and it introduces a a species called the Rin which were essentially space Roma Who get into the the mysticism of? Sabacc actually and like give Han Solo a reading These are the people who dropped a moon on Chewbacca. But you know, I mean, you've got Han dead, you've got Leia dead, you've got Luke dead, you've got the new resistance has overthrown the new, the first order.

Ben is dead, Rey is starting things up. Like that's when you have, like fast forward it Mm-hmm Ben is dead Ray is starting things up like That's when you have like like fast forward it by about ten years Right, and that's when you have the Yuzhan Wang attack Okay, and I think it would work really really well I think it could yeah, I think there's some main characters in it. Savala lasts for a while as the war master. There's another one that he took over for I forget who. But Nam-Anor is like the most centralized character for the Yu-Jon Vong in a lot of ways. He's he's this spy master who keeps failing but keeps failing upward and

The only reason he fails because our heroes need to succeed sometimes But he's devious as fuck and he's rising through the ranks and all this kind of stuff He starts a cult to stay alive and stuff like that. Anyway have him voiced by Hugh Grant Okay, um have have Anyway, have him voiced by Hugh Grant. Okay. Have. Have. Honestly, like, there's a lot of actors that could do a lot of really good work in these voice acting.

Yeah. You know, and so I just say, you know, look to who's doing really good voice shit and have them do it So yeah, I think the the you John Vaughn series would be easily a five season No, yeah, yeah or Lord knows how many movies if you wanted to do it that way. I think too many movies quite honest, okay All right. Yeah, fair make it a five season one pull out what doesn't work Yeah, keep the shit in that does but have it be a grinding war epic type thing like the Clone Wars was have it parallel that So when

Like chronologically in real time real world when when when did the yu zhong vong series start? Jason and Jana were both 16? Okay, so and they were born and during the thron trilogy And the thron trilogy was four years after Endor or five years after endor so And endor was nine months plus four years, just about five years after Yavin. OK. So. So five. So Leia was 28 or so when they were born. OK.

Yeah. OK. So. OK. What I find interesting about like hearing the Yu-Jon Vong described the way you just described them. What I find interesting is there are so many parallels between the Yu-Jon Vong in the Star Wars universe and the Tyranids in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. I thought you were going to make a comparison to Battlestar, or yeah, to Battlestar Galactica. There's that too. But yeah, the Tyranids, go on. The Tyranids, because in Warhammer 40,000, of course, you know, it's a very totally, completely different kind of setting from Star Wars to begin with.

Right. But the Tyranids are one of the groups that you could point to as being like, okay, nobody is a good guy, but these are like the really scary bad guys. You know, chaos is one of them in the Tyranids. I think for, for a lot of, a lot of people in the community, the tyrannids would be the other one because the tyrannids are here to devour literally everything. Okay, yeah. All of their all of their technology is biological. When you said that the Yu Zhen Vong bend life to their will, yes. The tyrannids devour life forms off of a planet and any genetics and any genetic traits or any genetic

material that they find useful, they find a way to incorporate into themselves. And so they have within their own species, they have bio forms, right? You know, there are Hormigants and Termigants who are there, you know, hordeling soldiers. They have their warriors who are, you know, hordeling soldiers. They have their warriors who are, you know, much bigger and much more powerful all the way up to hive tyrants. And then they have specialized, you know, monstrous things that are, you know, stealth strikers and psychics and all of this kind of stuff. And in a, in a kind of a mirror to the way that, you know, the huge on Vong do not exist within the force within the warhammer 40,000 universe, psychic powers

are tied to the warp. Right. And the tyrannids create a shadow in the warp wherever they go. So if you have, so, so one of their rules on the tabletop is the shadow in the warp. If you have a psychic in your army, there are, there are penalties that you are, that your psychics suffer because of the overwhelming presence of the hive mind in the warp, like individually, an individual tyrannid has almost no warp signature, but there are so many teaming billions of them, right? You know, um, that, that are just this one gigantic mind intent on devouring everything. And so I'm, I'm, I'm hearing you talking about the huge on

like, because I knew much of what you were saying, because, you know, I didn't read the huge on Vong novels, but I, I read the role playing game materials, you know, that had to do with all of that. And so, you know, I kind of knew that, but I hadn't heard it all together in the same place before. And so that parallel hadn't occurred to me until right now. And, and I think it's interesting that those similar kinds of concepts showed up in that way in these two otherwise very like almost I don't want to say opposite, but, but again, totally very different kind of, kind of settings. There's, there's an interesting archetype at work there. Yeah. I, I, I, I don't doubt that they,

the people who created Yuzhan Vong very likely were people who also had exposure to the Tyranids. Yeah, I can, I, yeah. Just because of cross pollination and you know know nerds being nerds. Yeah, exactly probably and and the the very different The way that translated in the way the translation into Star Wars changed the character of that. You know, from we're all about hunger, to we're all about domination and death. Yeah, and religious life.

Yeah, yeah, zealotry. Yeah. So. So. But yeah, those are the characters I think are the characters. I think that we deserve I think that there are plenty more that are in that are already in the The the I don't want to say the EU But whatever Disney's doing like just the canon there are many more that are already in the canon that yeah

It's been fantastic to see And that yeah, it's been fantastic to see Them grab aspects of the different characters But those are the ones that I think are still missing and would love love to see especially piggy because Like yeah, you know, I can see well I can see why yeah that'd be yeah You know and he had like this little voice box that would speak for him based on the vibrations that we hear from him making his grunting noises, right?

And so it would speak for him, and you'd hear the grunting behind him. I mean, that would be pretty cool. And again, have Andy Serkis giving us the voice. Yeah, yeah. You know, so, but. Anyway. Yeah.

Are there any that I've convinced you on or are there any that you still would rather not or is there anything that you've gleaned beyond that? You have actually succeeded in making a compelling case for the Yu-Jung Vong to me, which I before before tonight I didn't think would be doable. I don't know why people hate these on Cool, um, I don't know. It's just something about the vibe. I don't know. Um,

And I think you know to make another 40k parallel I think there is something similar to the way that a lot of players my age irrationally hate the Tau in 40K. Okay. And part of it, I mean, there's, there's, there is a lot of just, you know, what are you doing fucking with my, with my game setting? Right? but I think part of a big part of the And I am one of them. I don't I'm not a fan of the towel at all

There there are some compelling stories. There's some great stuff that you can do within the setting now that the tower there like, okay There's some there's some stuff you can do within the setting. Now that the tower there, like, okay, there's some, there's some stuff you can do with them, but yeah. Um, and I think it kind of boils down to the Tao showed up and there were a whole lot of underlying kind of ground rules of the 40k universe. Mm-hmm That when they first got introduced a lot of people were looking at like this Doesn't follow the ground rules of the universe that we know up to this point Okay, you know this this Usual wrong absolutely do the same thing like yeah, the force flows flows through all of us

Me you the ship the rock Yeah, and then you got people that like nope turns out not Just no. Well, how well they came from a different galaxy. You see and it's like But the force is the force Like what the fuck and and spoiler alert it turns out the force literally banished them for their brutality. Like they... Oh, wow. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And like, so, you know, Luke ends up helping to find their planet that they originated from because they were banished outside of the galaxy from our galaxy. And then, yeah, and so then Luke finds the planet that they were banished from, and it's a living planet Remember that yeah, Sonoma Seacott and yeah And and so then they get they get Repatriated essentially and they still exist outside of the force and then There's the how do you deal with these people kind of thing and yes

There's the how do you deal with these people kind of thing and yes Luckily, they stopped being hella violent for the most part and most folks stopped being hella dicks to them but there was still like well, the Bothans did declare our curie on them and our curie is like the Bothans have declared it three times in their entire history and basically is We now are engaged in a blood feud such that not even their dust will be left. Much less a memory of them.

Oh, wow. Okay. So like kindly over only even worse. Yeah, like to the extreme. And so there was like, well, we've never heard you doing that. That's because we were successful those three times. Like. Yeah, like they have genocide at three times and then they've declared it on on the Yuzhan Fang and it's one of those you can't take it back. But there's some Bothans who are like Practical and they're like no the threats over we have to stop like and then there's no we declared it and I mean There's so many things that happen afterwards. Yeah When you get into the legacy comic books No, we've declared it and I mean there's so many things that happen afterwards. Yeah

When you get into the legacy comic books Mm-hmm, but not the legacy of the force books where Jason goes bad and that's all post uh, yu zhong wong as well. Yeah, but the legacy is 140 years later, right? So you're yeah, yeah, he's sky skywalker One of the weapons that his friend has is thud bugs. These are Yu Zhong Wang bugs. And the Yu Zhong Wang have become a part of the galaxy. Oh wow.

As you do, you know? And so it's just kind of interesting to see the expressions of these things, the continuity. But yeah, cool. Well, I'm glad that you're at least convinced that Yu-Jung Vong are worth it. I forgot that they exist in one of the books. I'm going to go see if I can find,

because you know my kids are doing the Dark Strider campaign, but when they're done with it, why not have them deal with Yu-Jung Vong? Oh, there you go. I'm gonna see if I can find some converted versions. Yeah. As I'm not going to saga version, I'm sticking with the D6. As is only right and proper.

Exactly. Although I've heard really good things about the fantasy fight games version, but I've never gotten to play it. So but I could never get past the oh, hey, here's a whole new set of dice to use And I was fine with that is just like oh, I'll have to learn it but like It's from what you know, my brother told me it was that it's actually really good cooperative storytelling Yeah, I mean there yeah, I The dice thing was just the the speed bump that I was like sure

I don't I don't have I just don't have enough time. Yeah, you know really fair Totally fair. So yeah, oh cool. Well, what do you want people to consume or read? What I want people to consume is Since we're talking about Star Wars. I I want people to give the acolyte a chance Yeah It got it got Crapped on a lot, and I don't I don't think it deserved it. I think a lot of the Hatred that got directed at it was

people not being, not being able to grasp the nuance of the story that was being told, which sounds very elitist of me, but I don't mean it in an elitist way. I think it was just being approached by people who who were were looking for a story that was saying everything it wanted to say on the surface. think it's a much more meaningful story when you think a little bit meta about it, if that makes sense. Yeah. Um, and you know, so I, I, I strongly recommend, um, giving it, giving it a shot because it is, at least I thought it was compelling storytelling.

I think it did things character wise with Jedi characters that we haven't seen done. And so that's gonna be my recommendation. How about you? I'm gonna recommend a book by Troy Denning called Tatooine Ghost I Read this years and years and years ago when I was Long term subbing at a middle school. So we're talking more than 20 years ago Okay, and Tatooine Ghost is the period of time

just after the courtship of Princess Leia, but before the Thrawn trilogy. Okay, alright. They're on their honeymoon. And they have to, of course, on their honeymoon, they have to stop by Tatooine to pick up a piece of Alderaanian moss art that's actually got a... Number one, Alderaan's blown up. Moss art, Alderaanian moss is exceedingly rare and

Alderaanian moss art is literally a dying art form, right? And there's all kinds of things about the apparatus that keeps it moist and all kinds of stuff um but uh it's a famous painting called kilic twilight and leia used to have it in front of her bedroom like she'd see it in the hall when she wake up and it also has a rebel code in it well she and han have to go pick that up and of course, yeah, of course we'll do it, but you know, this is supposed to be our honeymoon. And there's, you know, they're on Tatooine, they run into Jodo Cast, but he's not really Jodo Cast. There's a red-eyed,

dark-skinned Imperial leader who? Mmm, it's wrong Okay Is you know the dark skin is and the red eyes you can see the dark skins because it's dark in the rooms And yeah, yeah, but Han actually goes full art critic and he's got the most salient Examination of the of the painting that anyone has ever had. It just floors Leia with how like how does this scoundrel know better than

every critic that lived on tech you know on how does this street rat? Right. How did he get it right? I know. All of us got it wrong. And it just, it has one of my favorite, favorite statements, which is turn toward the storm. Yeah. And it's really, it's a middling book, but there's some really amazing parts in it.

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