A Geek History of Time - Episode 333 - The Antifa Is Coming From Inside the House Damian Reads an Army Pamphlet from March 1945 Part II

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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Which is a double win for you. That's so much. So, all right. Well, that's enough good cheery stuff. Let's get back to, honestly, this is a, a good thing. It's a pamphlet that the War Department put out. If you're just hitting

on to this episode, go back one because... Yeah, the intro of this is kind of important. Yeah. Yeah. But this is a War Department pamphlet that was handed out. I believe to instructors for Basic or AIT, for

soldiers to learn from, and for privates to read from, and stuff like that. And it's called fascism with a capital letter or I'm sorry with a with a exclamation point at the end right and in March of 1945 the the war department saw fit to explain two soldiers ideologically why we have to stomp the Nazis into non-existence right so and and also an unconditional surrender of Japan right so when last we left we ended with the question fascism equals war

Right. And so I'm going to read in parentheses, question, if we leave fascist nations alone, will they leave us alone? Or does fascism inevitably lead to war? Close parentheses. All right. We have seen that people of a fascist state earn less and less and so are able to buy less and less of the goods they produce with their slave labor. This means that eventually the fascist leaders either have to abandon the system or look abroad for new markets to dispose of the mounting service. of goods that cannot be sold at home. I'm going to break in real quick. They're not calling out colonialism, but they're calling out colonialism.

They're not calling out capitalism, but they're not calling out capitalism, but they're calling out capitalism. I remember somebody said growth as a constant is the mindset of a cancer cell. Yeah. so anyway the fascists do not choose to abandon their system and give up their graft we now call that grift um and so they are forced to acquire foreign markets and to eliminate competing nations due to their slave labor the fascists are able to undersell the free nations of the world the free nations must either resort to fascism so that with slave labor they can

meet the cutthroat prices of the fascist nations or they must erect trade barriers to keep out the ruthless fascist competition. See Douglas Miller. You can't do business with Hitler, exclamation point. In either case, the fascist nation still wants the markets, and it goes after them with the same methods used in domestic affairs, intimidation, terror, and force. In foreign affairs, force means war. Okay.

So it's interesting that it's like, hey, they have to go after other nations, right? and through intimidation and terror. Which is kind of interesting, the tools that they would use. Now, Douglas Miller gets mentioned, and he wrote a book called You Can't Do Business with Hitler. And he was a former commercial attache of the American Embassy in Berlin. He wrote that book, but it was also turned into a radio series by the Office for Emergency Management for the American Home Front. The information that he gathered while as an attache was very influential to a confidential memo from the National Resource Planning Board to the Roosevelt administration titled Public Works

Planning, Germany. Here's a quote from it. A few words are called for with regard to the materials used in this report. The annual economic reviews of German by Douglas Miller, which are quoted in several places, were prepared for the Department of State and have never been published. They are still confidential documents, though the facts and comments made in these reviews have become widely known end quote now he originally meant it in 1940 as an admonition that many businesses were engaged in business with the Nazis and shouldn't be so you can't do that that kind of a thing okay but i was i was going to ask like is this a is this an admonition or is this a no you can't do business with hitler like the answer is yes so at first it was an

Admonition and then it became you know a statement of fact. Yeah. And then it grew into a dramatic radio series that acted as an opprobrium against the Nazis regime's evils. Each radio broadcast covered a topic related to the Nazis, religious persecution, forced labor, medical experimentation, pseudoscience, theft of Jewish goods, etc. In episode 26, quote, Hitler is my conscience end quote the fictional drama broadcast discussed the ways that the fanaticism that undergirded nazi ideology undermine basic morality and consciences okay yeah so yeah it started as you can't do that and it became you can't do that like that's just that's just not possible yeah yeah now back to the the the pamphlet the war machine is ready and waiting for duty to justify the

building of the war machine as the solution to unemployment, the fascist nurture a lust for war, a desire for conquest. Quote, live dangerously, said Mussolini. Quote, man has become great through perpetual strife, end quote, screamed Hitler. A Nazi slogan was, quote, guns instead of butter. Wait, wait, really? Yes.

when I say fascism has always been this way huh guns guns instead of butter as a slogan yeah you know at some point

I think I think we need to somehow find a way to tie this into the themes of our of our of what we do we need to find we need to discuss the ties between totalitarian ideologies and toxic masculinity. Oh, you think? Because I can't think of a phrase that has ever been uttered, that is more emblematic of that than guns instead of butter as a good thing.

What kind of idiot are you? Guns instead. No. Well, if we're rationing because the Treaty of Versailles has impoverished us, if butter is out of reach for a lot of people, you can kind of start to see that as, look, don't go bitching for butter. Grab a gun and go get some butter. This creation of an ideology based in,

in the creation of scarcity. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said in the last episode, he promised, you know, the fascist promises

everything to everybody. Yeah. And the national socialist working party, you know, the workers party, there were workers that were out of fucking jobs.

Like, it's not like, in the very, very beginning of the pamphlet, it said that they come in when there's economic strife because people can't afford butter. So here's

a gun. People can't afford shit. They are looking for a place to put that frustration. Fascists offer them all kinds of boogeyman. And then they also offer them I was speaking with a friend of mine who is a philosopher and she was telling

me because I was struggling with the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning in terms of which one do you go for, which one do you believe? And she said, look, everybody wants the world to be a deductive place because geometry is simple when you realize it. And if you try to attack a problem that requires inductive reasoning with deductive reasoning, you'll get frustrated and you just want to give over to somebody who promises you that there is a deductive way to get out of this. They offer you a simple thing. and so you take it

so guns instead of butter but yeah also like in a vacuum that sounds so fucking stupid but like when people are starving you start to understand why that has appeal yeah and then it's awful and gross

like yeah you know and then depending on well yeah based on that it ties into the fact that all of this all of these promises wind up being rooted in grievance.

Yes. This whole ideology is rooted in grievance. And powered by grift. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to reread that line. Yeah, yeah.

A Nazi slogan was guns instead of butter. The hungry people were told they would get butter and other riches in due time by way of conquest. The press, radio, movies, stage, all were put to the task of glorified. war the school system from kindergarten to university justified an exalted tyranny of the strong over the week quote the school is the preparation for the army end quote said the nazi minister of education now i'm going to break in here because the nazi minister of education they mentioned is a man named burnhard rust no georg in his name which is weird um he He initially instituted the rule that students and teachers should greet each other with the Nazi salute in 1933.

This was regardless of it, if they were Nazis or not, normalizing all of this shit. So even if you're not a Nazi, you should greet each other the way that Elon Musk greets people. Oh, see, wait. Wasn't that a Roman salute? Yes, yes. Yeah, okay. The ones who created fascism, yes. Yeah, I had to get that off of my system.

Sorry. So he said that in 33, right? And so that became a thing for schools. And then he went Woodrow Wilson on the Jews and other enemies of the state when it came to colleges and universities. He also promoted quickly and deeply the distrust of Jewish science, as though that was a thing. But so Jewish scientists essentially in their research,

leading to book burnings. attacks on transgender studies and the expulsion of brilliant scientists to the detriment of the Nazi regime he said quote the problems of science do not present themselves in the same way to all men oh god I

I'm going to use a term that is outdated but there's a college fund named after it okay the Negro or the Jew will view the same world in a different light from the German investigator okay okay the dumb fuck thought one that this was true and two since it's true this was a problem see there's that weird deductive thing right on may of may 8th of 1945 he would finally do

something that i found particularly agreeable he committed suicide making him more antifa than most americans now the p back to the the pamphlet so that that's uh That was the Nazi Minister of Education, Bernard Rust. Right. Okay. The people were taught that their race was superior. Since this concept of superior and inferior race is completely contrary to the findings of all science, science has to be as carefully controlled and perverted as the schools.

No scientists in Germany could safely deny it when Hitler told the Germans that they were, quote, a master race, end quote, entitled to the land and possessions of lesser folk. The Italians were told in fake scientific terms that Latins were born to rule. The Japanese were taught that as sons of heaven, it was both their right and their duty to conquer and rule the world. Once their people were sold on the master race idea, it was easy for the fascist to make them feel that other people were of no more consequence than vermin. We think nothing of killing a cockroach. They were encouraged to think nothing of killing unarmed and defenseless men, women, and children. Many even got to enjoy it.

Hence, Rotterdam, Liddesee, and Maiteneck. Now, just real quick, I'm going to annotate two out of those three because the last episode, I did Midenek. And in the last episode, we were talking about specifically that superiority being a key feature of fascism. Right, right, right. They're saying it right there. in 1945. I also really liked that the War Department of the United States of America is standing against essentially eugenics bullshit.

Yeah. Which is really interesting considering like 12 years earlier, California eugenicist ran to Germany and was like, oh, here, take our notes. Yeah. So this is a hell of a repudiation by the War Department to little Tommy Tillingsley from Iowa. Right. You know, just every G.I. Joe was being given this. Yeah, was being told, by the way, this is bullshit.

Right. Something to fight for. All right. So let's talk Rotterdam. It was one of the main cities in the Netherlands. Their almost total destruction led to Rotterdam being used as a threat to other cities, which led to the Netherlands surrendering. So the Nazis bombed it flat and said, you want another? And the Netherlands, like, we give up.

And this was specifically effective because the Germans didn't target military targets, but civic spaces and civilians specifically. So this is that whole, like, we must be the most brutal that we can be so we can end this quickly. I would point out that we have both praised William Sherman for doing this. his reasoning was different yeah but his methods were were similar he obviously had access to less technology

but his methods were very similar his well his methods his methods were similar there was more within the planning of his strategy there was more emphasis on destruction

of military related infrastructure. True. So Sherman's neckties. Yeah. We're going to destroy the rail infrastructure. The very few rail lines they had. Yeah. Yeah.

The very few were going to buck that up. Yeah. And they did target, like strategically, they did target, you know, plantation crops. They did. And freed those people. And, yes. And liberated the enslaved people there. Hitler didn't use 100,000 people from.

a district of the Netherlands to attack the Netherlands. Sherman got 100,000 volunteers from Alabama to join him. Yeah. And his bodyguard on that campaign were cavalry from, I want to say they were Alabamian. Yeah, they were. And so, I mean, there's those issues. But what happened, particularly in South Carolina, the devastation to civilian homes

was an outgrowth of the rage and frustration of his troops and was less a strategic goal of his I am going to quibble okay yeah yeah I again I said the methods not this not the reason yeah and and

what what the Nazis did was no we're going to we're going to flatten everything we're going to kill everybody in the city right so that you surrender yeah so that so that you know uh do you want a fresh one yeah like you know so yeah i mean it's it's i think my personal thought it's more closely aligned to sherman than i want it to be yeah and i have to reckon with that that's fair yeah that's fair you know yeah so um okay so that's rotterdam Let's talk about literacy, L-I-D-I-C-E.

It was in what was then known as Czechoslovakia. Okay. Okay. So the Lidisi, Lidice, Massacre. Lidich? Lidich, maybe, yeah, that makes sense. Could be. They put different sounds on things.

The Lidich massacre happened on June 10th, 1942. And again, these are things that they're just throwing in there that people probably read about in the newspaper. And so it would recall for them. It would be like if somebody in 2006 said, why are we fighting in Iraq? Well, you remember 9-11, right? We would all do that, you know? Or, you know, hey, you remember what happened in the London underground in June?

Right. You know. So the Lideech massacre happened. And again, America was a nation of immigrants. There were plenty of people who had come from those places, right? Yeah, yeah. So happened on June 10th, 1942, and what was then Czechoslovakia? Hitler specifically ordered it, which is kind of stands out.

Because very often he would let the fascists, like, play up to him. Mm-hmm. You know, and then he kind of had some weird level of deniability. And honestly, I think that's a very purposeful Palpatine-esque, corruptive influence. Yeah. It was a revenge massacre, simple. and he ordered it and because there was something

called Operation Anthropoid which was the Czech resistance's assassination of a fellow named Reinhard Hydrick he was the SS man in charge of the area Hydric was one of the ground floor Holocaust guys essentially

he got ambushed in his car by a guy who's machine gun jammed and then a guy who threw an anti-tank grenade that missed him but not enough to kill him or but not by enough to kill him um so it missed him but it still killed him okay hitler's personal doctor recommended a new kind of antibacterial drug but thankfully uh himler sent karl getpard to prague to care for him instead um

so okay so machine gun jams the anti tank thing blows up it doesn't kill him outright he then and this is hydric uh or hydric then gets taken to Prague and Hitler's personal doctor said you should try this new anti-bacterial drug and Himmler said no no no I'm going to send Carl Gephard to Prague to care for him instead okay so Gephardt is caring for Hydrick in Prague and because Hydric was standing in the car when he got blown up the horsehair that was part of the upholstery went into his body okay and he died of Cepis. Oh.

Yeah. All right. This is a happy ending. Yeah. You know, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Right. So, uh, Lideech massacre. Hitler, himself ordered that the entire village of Ladech because it was found to have

harbored Hydrick's killers, two guys named Joseph, uh, Yosef, Gobchik, and Jan Kunis. He ordered that whole village destroyed because it harbored those. two men. After it was emptied of people, Ladech was set on fire and then dynamited. So absolutely not a economic use of your material.

No. It's literally there to terrorize, right? Yeah. And by the way, terrorism was used on both sides of this war. I mean, you know, all of Dresden, fucking Tokyo, you know,

Hiroshima and Agassaki, all of that. is terrorism. It just was our guys. So I'm not saying, and the Nazis, I think they did much more of it because their whole war was one of conquest, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But, okay, so this is the terrorism that he's using. It was emptied of people, set it on fire, the whole town, and dynamite it. The pets, the beasts of burdens, and food, all the food, was destroyed and slaughtered. The cemetery was dug up. They removed the gold and silver from the corpses, including their fillings, and then destroyed the bodies. The stream was then rerouted. The area was re-sodd and crops were planted. Then they depopulated the place by killing all the men.

They transported all the women to a concentration camp, and any children that were deemed German enough would be adopted out to good German families. And then the whole village would be burned to the ground and leveled. And then they planted the crops. Wow. So, so this is like the 20th century version on a smaller scale of Carthage. Yeah, I was thinking the same. Yeah.

Ooh. From 7 a.m. through the afternoon, they shot the men until only, until 173 were dead. Two men who were in England at the time were serving in the exiled check. Air Force had to actually survive the massacre. So the whole town, a total of 175 or yeah, until only yeah, they killed, there were two guys who survived. I'm sorry. It's a small town, 173 men were killed.

Sadly, the former deputy mayor was out of town serving a sentence for accidentally killing his own son four years earlier. when he was freed from prison in December of 42, he returned to Ladich and found out then and there what had happened. He then turned himself into the SS and said, I support Hydric's murder because he was hoping to be put to death

with the rest of his village. Jesus. Now, I could kind of understand that if he'd gone to jail for killing his own son by accident. Yeah. And then these are the people I was supposed to take care of. Yeah.

Survivor guilt. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So VSS, weighing what is the cruelest thing to do, let him live. They laughed at him and sent him on his way. Now, 203 women were rounded up. Four of them had abortions forced on them. And then all of them were sent to different concentration.

camps. The 105 children of the village were dispersed. Many were sent to LODZ for slave labor. Seven were considered racially acceptable enough to Germanize. And the remaining few who hadn't been dealt with were sent to the Chelmino concentration camps and killed. Six of the children were murdered in the Labensborn orphanages because they didn't meet the German standards for Germanness.

the Nazis proudly spread the truth of what had happened, both as a deterrent to other resistances and as a way to show how fucking serious they were. The rest of the world was horrified. Hollywood made a film called Hitler's Mad Men in 1943. The Nazis did reprisals against a few other villages bringing the total death toll over Hydric's assassination to about 1,300 people.

So that's why Ladits gets mentioned in this. it's awful i i would just like to explain ed is holding his mouth like he is that disturbed by everything that i have just annotated anybody who listens to this show knows that if i've been reduced to speechlessness that means something yeah i yeah i just can't sheer evil remember czechoslovakia is where you know su'datan land yeah you know oh yeah yeah so back to the pamphlet by all these devices fascism creates and then is driven by forces that cannot be stopped at will fascism cannot stand still its internal and its internal and external policies are rooted in aggression it must expand or explode it must conquer or perish every measure

taken by fascism its entire economic social political and military setup means eventual war the war comes when intimidation and terror fail as instruments of fascist foreign policy the war comes when other nations finally refuse further to appease the insatiable hunger of fascism for markets military glory and world domination so i just would like to point out we talked about the futurists several times previously remember when they talk about frenetic action the fistic cuff the blowst struck for the for the sake of violence yeah those are the seeds all right then it says can it happen here now i'm annotating here can it happen here is an obvious reference to the book by sinclair lewis it can't happen here uh sinclair lewis famously to me is the husband of dorothy thompson uh for a while um this dystopian novel was set in the united states and written while Sinclair Lewis's wife, Dorothy Thompson, was reporting on fascism in Europe. Remember, she was the first woman journalist to be expelled from Germany, probably because in

1934 she said that Hitler was, quote, formless, almost face, almost faceless, a man whose countenance is a caricature, a man whose framework seems cartilaginous without bones. He is inconsequent and voluble, ill-poised and insecure. He is the very prototype of the little man, end quote. And she was in Germany in 34. She interviewed him before he became Der Fuhrer. When she was asked to defend the comment, her response to people was, quote, I still believe he is a little man. He is the hypothesis of the little man.

Nazism is the hypothesis of collective mediocrity in all its forms, end quote. I like her. I do too. she's a little troublesome when she starts talking about black voters but she's right on when she's talking about fascist and by a little troublesome I mean horrifying but but and I take issue with her attack on mediocrity as a mediocre man um but

we're not all evil look right you know but at a time and a place we are yeah and at a time in a place where people were really big on their exceptionalism I understand that being used as an effective dig but yeah anyway she said all that shit but it's really her husband that i'm supposed to be talking about right now so he wrote this dystopian novel in 1935 that got all the remembering like very few people that aren't historians remember dorothy thompson and basically the book was about a populist who usurped power via legal election after an economic difficulty while fascism was

on the rise elsewhere and became a dictator who outlawed dissent set up concentration camps and created a private paramilitary organization based loosely on patriotic jargon and a corporatist regime that ran the courts in a mocking uh in a mockery of what america had at the time he drew inspiration for this book from father cochlin and hughy long who had been assassinated six weeks before his book released oh wow yeah so anyway that's can it happen here it's clearly a reference to the sincleros book yeah now back to the pamphlet unless there's is there anything you wanted to no okay not at this point some americans would give an emphatic no to the question can fascism come to america after it has been defeated abroad

they would say that americans are too smart that they are too sold on the democratic way of life that they wouldn't permit any group to put fascism over in america fascism some might say is something peculiar that you only find among people who like swastikas who like to listen to speeches from balconies in Rome, or who like to think that their emperor is God. Their reaction might be that it is something foreign that Americans would recognize in a minute, like the goose step. They might feel that we'd laugh it out of existence in a hurry. Parentheses, question, do all fascists come from Germany, Japan, or Italy? End parentheses. In a good many European nations, the people felt the same way some of us do, that fascism was foreign to them and could never become a power in their land.

They found, however, that fascist-minded people within their borders, especially with aid from the outside, could seize power. The Germans, of course, made an efficient use of the fascist-minded traders, whom we have now come to know generally as the fifth column. So the fifth column, I'm going to annotate here. It's basically a Spanish loyalist term from the Spanish Civil War. I swear I'd heard that Napoleon used it during his wars, but every source I found said that it started in third. Okay. So essentially, it's an undermining group that does disinformation, espionage, sabotage, and terrorism to destabilize the other side on behalf of the side that they're with. So I'm at war with the Blaylocks.

I send somebody who's a maid for the Blaylocks to replace their other maid, and that maid starts breaking glasses and, you know, cutting up hose lines and stuff like that. Little things that make it harder for the Blaylocks to wage their unfair war against us across the river. Right. Usually there are folks that are from within the target group, and they're working toward the ends of the external group. The enemy from within, if you will. Okay. Nationalist General Emilio Mola said that he had four columns of troop stationed outside of Madrid and a fifth stationed within, sympathizers, ready to help.

It caught on quickly so that so quickly that Dr. Seuss used it in a common reference to, let's see, it was common enough that everybody knew what it was in February 13th of 1942 in an issue of a liberal New York newspaper called PM to he was referencing Japanese living in America operating as a fifth column. You've seen the cartoon, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. honorable fifth column and they're handing out dynamite and it's just an unending stream of yeah japanese people in california this is a liberal newspaper by the way i'm not yeah well yeah yeah yeah so uh february 19th 1942 executive order 9066 was was signed and issued and by april 3rd of 1942 forced evacuations were begun all to chase down the alleged fifth column okay yeah now Back to the packet, or the pamphlet. In France, which was considered a leading democracy of Europe, the betrayal was spearheaded

by a powerful click of native, quote, 100% French and, quote, fascists. Norway had its Quisling, who was as pure-blooded as a Norwegian as Laval was a pure-blooded Frenchman. The Netherlands, Masserts, were 100% Dutch, Belgium's de Grails, 100% Belgian, and Britain's Mosley's, 100% British. The United States also had its native fascists who said that they are 100% American. There were native fascists in the Philippines, in Thailand, Siam, in China and Burma and many other countries, all waiting to become the willing puppets of the Axis.

Not one of these fascists is a foreigner who had to be imported from Germany, Japan, or Italy. So there's a lot of names that get dropped there. Time to do some quick biographical sketches. Let's start with Quisling. Vidkun Abraham Lawrence Johnson Quisling. He was a Norwegian racist and he started well before the Nazis came to town. In 1933, he'd founded the National Samling. He was small potatoes or turnips or whatever the fucking tuber they eat up there.

Anyway, he wasn't all that important at the time. the Nazis rolled through on April 9th of 1940, he tried to do a coup d'etat by way of radio. Really? Yeah. Kind of interesting that the mass media at the time is advertising.

But the Germans didn't want that because if they could get the Norwegian government to legitimize their invasion, it was actually more acceptable. So he tried to coup and the Germans were like, No, no, no, no, no, knock that shit off. Don't be so eager. Come on. You do too much, man.

Yeah. So just that's who Quisling was. That's nuts. You know, that's fucking nuts. Because we all hear about him, and I've got more on him. But like, just that little detail of like, oh, bro, we didn't ask for your help. Shut the fuck up. Yeah.

he reminds me of he's that kid who's got his handout for all the basketball players to slap five and all of them walk right past him he's the the classic bro she's not gonna fuck you yeah like who does he remind you of i'm sorry um in in and or um i can't remember his name oh cyril corp yeah yeah oh god the guy with a mean mommy yeah oh jesus yeah yeah yeah that like such a fanboy so motivated

and like no back off you're weird yeah we don't we've got this we've got to get out of the way like you don't understand look we're wearing Hugo boss you're wearing

off the rack we are not the same you know yeah yeah wow yeah so so this was more of a loser than I thought yeah okay it really does add to it doesn't it it's wow it's like is there saffron in this I thought it's a little you know it's like dude so okay so because this is the early days of the expansion of Nazism through the military right and so right they still dug legalism at the time. They still wanted to legitimize themselves instead of just at the bayonet. Anyway, on February 1st of 1942, Quisling formed another government because, you know, can't

take no for an answer when you're a fascist in-cell. The Nazis then legitimized his government and then recognized him as the head of the Norwegian puppet government to be run with a Nazi party official named Yosef Antonia's Heinrich Terbovin Quisling's path to power and ability to keep power was

largely due to his collaborationism and willingness to do whatever the Nazis wanted. This included sending Jews to concentration camps in Poland. In early October of 1945 after the war was over, he was

executed for treason. He was executed for treason. during Norway's purge and was the fourth of the 25 people actually executed for treason in Norway by firing squad so couldn't it happen to a nicer guy

right couldn't it happen he's such a fuck well there's the term he's such a fucking quiz like right yeah that his name became the meme for being a little bitch boy to the Nazis yeah now Laval also got mentioned now LaValle is Pierre Jean-Marie LaValle he was a socialist deputy in the signed territory at the outbreak of World War I he was part of the group who opposed mandatory drafts so far i kind of dig this guy he also joined the international socialist effort to end the war in 1915 dope but it didn't work once he lost an election amongst socialist he ended his connection to them it's like oh you weren't really for the cause you were just really for the like you know yeah

So by 1919, he becomes an independent, and he becomes the independent Frenchman who's no longer a socialist that everybody knows and loves, becoming the prime minister of France in 1931. Oh, really? Yeah. Now, what's interesting is that he actually supported Hoover's suggestion of a moratorium of war reparations in 31 and 32. okay after a parliamentary crisis in 34 he uh laval ends up being part of a coalition that included french communists uh but also had inroads with marshal patan uh who was a staunch conservative so he's kind of all over he he is the functionary the he you know he's switching sides to stay in power kind of a fact totem yeah that's that's the the word i was thinking of actually yeah um so

eventually he became Laval became Prime Minister in June of 35 again but by January of 36 so just six months later he or seven months later he was forced to resign by the popular front now from this point on he was like

leftists and his own government are fucked up I don't like him at all because he's 100% French you see how dare the people have a voice they've kicked me out of power you won't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore yeah yeah it has that vibe but with like really but more fashy yeah so and yet at this point no no fascism right um but because he feels so alienated his bitterness overtook his ideology you talked about grievance right yeah um and he ended up

being the minister of state for vichy france after patan came to an armistice with the nazis Yep He just couldn't not be near power Leval emulated the Third Reich as much as he could while he was in a position of power he and Patan were the two main collaborators

meeting with Hitler to do his work for him so but he's 100% French right Leval pissed off the more rigid Patan to the point where Patan ousted him from power in 1940 and at this point Laval then starts looking to others to keep him in power

and he finds Otto Abetz a Nazi ambassador to France who kept Laval under his own protection in Paris so that's occupied and while in Paris Laval was shot during a collaborationist militia's review by a member of see at first I was like yeah he got shot

but he got shot by a member of the Croix de Fu the French fascist party from the early 1920s the cross of firefoes yeah in april of 42 laval came back to power and he gave a speech on the radio where he wished for a german victory because of the dangers of bolshevism this guy's like a fucking cockroach won't evolve like you hard to kill

can't get him out of power like holy shit all right he you know who he reminds me of um the depictions of wormtong in lord of the rings yeah you know or um dude in uh the hobbit movies um who worked for the captain you know in in the town that bard was from oh yeah yeah yeah dude ends up like cross-dressing for a while like keeps convincing people he should be in charge yeah so okay so april 42 he comes back to power gives a speech on the radio says bolshevism is really dangerous so the nazis really need to win in occupied france it was after this incident when he started shipping off Jews from France to Poland

he bargained the Nazis down to only sending non-French Jews out of France okay but to do so he also had to hunt down the Jews in France hard especially children to the point where he actually prevented Jewish children from getting visas to the United States at the time he wasn't the only one we had our own State Department doing that shit too. And by the way, they were eugenicists who were doing that.

In 1944, LaValle tried to block Charles de Gaulle's return to France after the Allies landed in Normandy, citing against the French yet again in his desire to main power because he was 100% French. Less than a year after this pamphlet was produced, LaValle would be put on trial for collaboration with the Nazis. Because remember, this pamphlet comes out in late March of 45. The war is over. in Europe by like April, May, right?

I actually don't remember the exact date for VE Day. Neither do I. Yeah. So anyway, he was sentenced to death by the firing squad on October 15th of 1945. So that's two collaborationists killed in October of 45. Yeah. One in Norway. Well, 25 in Norway.

Yeah. And then LaValle. Even... he tried to commit suicide by using a vial of poison that was stitched inside of his jacket. Okay. So he's even in death, he's trying to deny the French people their will. Right. Because he's so French.

You can't fire me. I quit. Right. The reason why it didn't work, by the way, is because the poison had expired. So they had to pump his stomach to keep him alive. and then they took him to be shot. And I like that. Well, it tells you something about the level of motivation

of the people who were punishing collaborators. Right. In France, after the war. France had a really fucked up way of punishing female collaborators. Yeah. Considering the power dynamics that were in play. But, but man, he took the poison. It didn't fully take effect, but they're like,

Oh, we are not letting it work. We don't care if it's been slowed down. Charcoal, here we go. We're pumping the shit out of stomach. And then we'll pump that heart full of lead. Like, anyway, Ottawa Betts later would write a memoir after serving his time for his crimes, calling Laval the last great liberal politician. So he served time. Ottawa Betz did.

but then he died 13 years after the war ended in a car fire so again another happy ending yeah I kind of feel like I bet calling LaValle the last great liberal politician is a little bit like Lee after the war being asked who is the best union general and naming McClellan I could see that like yeah I just like that and not Nazi is like, oh, yeah, that collaborationist, he was a liberal. I'm like, yeah, you fucking was. So, again, my bias. There's a reason I included that, you know, but it's like, what we need is a liberal.

I don't know, man. They keep calling the police on people who are fighting fascism. Yeah, yeah, do we really? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Now let's talk about Mussert or Musser. Okay.

Anton, Adrian, Adrian with two A's at the end. Adrian Mousser co-founded the National Socialist Movement in the Netherlands in 1931. So before Hitler came to power. So he's another early adopter asshole. He led the party the whole time that it was allowed and he was a massive collaborator

once the Nazis invaded the Netherlands. You remember not Rotterdam, right? Right. He was initially fine with Jews in the organization of national social. because that did happen by the way that was a path to power for some um and jews are like any other group of people you will have power seekers right they're they're not immune from being european yeah so um but uh once german the german version of the party got all antisemitic so

did he well i mean of course right uh musert was part of a coup mussuit mussir Rouser. I don't know. He's from the Netherlands, so I feel like I should pronounce everything. Yeah, I don't know. But anyway, I'm going to keep saying Moussert. Folks from the Netherlands, let us know. Moussert was a part of a coup attempt to kidnap the queen of the Netherlands, Wilhelmina, when the Nazis were besieging the Netherlands. He also did his best to suppress any and all resistance to the invasion, which makes him as fifth column as they get. He didn't get into, He didn't get to be fully in charge right away because the Nazis wanted an Austrian, a guy named Arthur Sayas in court, to be the prime minister of the collaborationist government.

Moussert then was the one who hunted down his own people who were resisting the Nazis, and he worked alongside the SS. So that was his path to power. Moussert met with Hitler multiple times and was later declared the leader of the Dutch people by the shitty little corporal. In 1944 to 1945, Moussert did nothing to stop the hunger winter, which was when 18,000 Dutch died during the winter because the Nazis restricted rail travel for food. Jesus Christ. Two months after this pamphlet was published, he was actually arrested for treason against the Netherlands, and by December, he was appealing to Queen Wilhelmina for Clement. for his death sentence okay wait a minute hold on hold on this is this is this is too

poetically good right so he's so he's appealing to the queen he had he had helped try to assassinate yes like yeah no not assassinate kidnap kidnap oh sorry still still yeah like bro how do you you think this is going to go like like the only thing i can think of is he's counting on the netherlands like inherent politeness of their culture well what what gets me is i'm sorry i had you tried to have you kidnapped oh no i understand like i think he's you know or or the the assumption that like the awfulness of these people as people yes is is something that like like just needs to be continually we all need to be continually reminded of that like if you are like this you are a shitty human yes and and if there's one thing shitty people like this have in

common it's their lack of conviction well yeah and their assumption that um you know they can they can always rely on the not shittiness of everybody else it's the exploitation the attempted exploitation of that yeah yeah it's like okay you know what uh no right how about fuck off and die yeah there's there's a real vibe of like uh just i i don't know it's it's it's you tried to have her kidnapped for the nazis you did everything you could to hurt your countrymen and then you're going to turn around and ask for clemen yeah that there's there's there's something I almost lost the threat of it

but there's something so um disingenuous about that yeah because you gave no clemency to other people who didn't have it coming yeah and you have it coming you you know you like no no you know what this isn't even you have it coming

you deserve this yeah I would I would say he crossed over that you fucking deserve it Yes. Like, full on. Yeah. Yeah. So.

So what happened to him? He, he, you know, threw himself in 1846. He was killed by firing squad. So another happy ending. Another happy ending. Yeah. Yeah. Good.

Now let's talk about DeGrelle. Okay. Oh, this fucking guy. I had, I don't want to say I had fun, but it's, there are people we should all know about. Leon Joseph Maria Ignace de Grell. Believe it or not, I can say all of that. Um, he was a Belgian Walloon Nazi collaborator. He was the founding member of the Belgian Rexist party, a far-right authoritarian Catholics and Corporatists party that started in 1935.

Hold on. Go for it. Catholic and corporatist. Bro, they have a, y'all have a hierarchy, all right? Yeah. There's a lot of bleed over for corporation and corporatist. Catholic Catholicism. Okay, but like.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so he was an avowed agitator against the system, man, um, in favor of a stricter system. Yeah, I was going to say, like, you're, you're an agitator again. Man, I hate the system, man. Yeah. And I want to institute one. It's even more fucking oppressive and awful, man.

Because then the liberals will know what it's like, you know. like oh hmm these people good god well because here's why he was against the system man he was against a corrupt system that had been infiltrated by jews and masons so there's that um okay i'm sorry i'm sorry i know it feels like i just reached into the hat of like what really shitty things can a person be against like what really what boilerplate and and i just kept and draw one more and draw one more and draw one more like and the order of water buffalo like he hated the elks the rotary club like and and methodists yeah like i i i i i I feel awful.

Yeah. Laughing about this, but I can't not. Well, because he's so comically evil. Because the, you know, well, obviously he thought the system had been infiltrated by Jews because. Right. You know, that's because they've had it so good for so long. It's like when people are like, you know, really angry that trans people like get to have their own pronouns. It's like, yeah, you know who's really had it really good for a long time?

For a long time. For a long time. Yeah. Like people with gender dysphoria. Yeah. Those folks have had it too good for. Yeah. No, what, what planet are you fucking from when you think that?

Arkansas. The answer is Arkansas. The answer, yeah. And, and the, and just, you know, we'll tack on to that, the masons. Right. Well, okay. You remember, though, like when I talked about lizard people, when I talked about V, we talked about the Illuminati.

We talked about these secret societies. who absolutely were I mean one of the things that Hitler was big against was masonry like not not masonry but like the masonic orders yeah yeah like a lot of people in Europe were against masonic shit and it bled over into this anti-Semitic shit because ultimately what you're against is is political or not political professionals in an urban environment yeah okay and that's fair you know I mean That's, we go back to your, your, your, uh, your Gary Gygax, uh, you know, ninth level fighter shit. Um, we can, but, but let's not, please. Um, but yeah, so the masons, actually, I remember there was a video, um, in black and white in, like the 50s. And it was a guy sitting down next to a guy from Germany and they're watching a demagogue do his demagogue shit. And the guy from Germany is like, I never thought this would happen here in America. I thought I escaped.

and the guy he's like he's like oh he's saying some good things and then the guy's like you know and mason's he's like well wait a minute i'm a mason and it's very ham-fisted but oh so now's this bosses you yeah but that was a key part of it right the mason's part so it's it's in the bread i mean it's the yeast um oh yeah so there's that uh he was a big rabble rouser handsome charismatic self-promoting, a bully that people listened to, one of my least favorite kinds of people. And in 1935, the Cardinal

in Belgium, a guy named Yosef Ernst von Rui, forbade any priest from having any real contact with him. Now, remember, he was part of a group that was super Catholic and super corporatist, and now the Cardinal's like, fuck that guy.

I like that Cardinal. I do, too. I'm in favor of this Cardinal. This is the right kind of cardinal. Yeah. And Rui was an important resistor to the Nazis in later years. So he stayed kind of consistent. I like that. Anyway, DeGrell ran his

party, Rex for short, right, in the general election and got a lot of protest votes from Angler Catholics who liked being Catholic except when the Catholic Church wasn't on the far right. Yeah. I know we can't imagine people like that now.

But back then it was a problem Fuck He held rallies after getting about 10% of the chamber representatives Which is totally normal and okay To hold rallies after the election And he used those rallies to attack what he called the rotten ones Largely focusing on bankers and Jews And we finally got to the bankers

Yeah I mean we knew eventually we had to It was just a matter of time. So he started getting subsidies for his party from Italy's fascist party in 1936. He met with Gerbils and Hitler in September of 36. And DeGrelle also met with Flemish fascists on Belgium. So he's crossing language lines. And he formed a secretish alliance with the Flemish fascists.

DeGrelle then tried to replicate Mussolini's march on Rome by having a march on Brussels in October. of 36 uh but the government bandit and rex lost support it turns out if you stand up to this shit yeah well yeah anytime you you actually give determined resistance they fold like a house of cards because they don't actually have anything to fucking stand on no they do have a lot of violence on their side though like i i will say this it is not easy to stand against people willing to do violence like that is a scary fucking thing. Even when you've got like overwhelming numbers, there's more of us than there are of you because the ones in the front line are the ones that are going to get the brunt of the violence

first. Yeah. It's really hard to have that physical courage, especially when a lot of the fascists tend to be veterans, guys from World War I who'd seen some shit, had some trauma, and were willing to work it out on your face. Yeah. So I understand the reticence, but I also know historically this is the formula. Yeah. It's kind of like, I know that like this medicine is going to taste awful. Yeah. And it's really easy to skip the dose when you just get caught on the awfulness.

Yeah. So anyway, by 1939, the Rex party was dying on the vine. DeGrelle was facing obscurity. And since nationalism, fascism were definitely on the wane in Europe by 1939, clearly he's just going to slip quietly away into that obscurity. Oh, yeah. So it's really weird than American pamphlet five years later would focus on him, right? Yeah.

Now, he did. DeGrelle did do a little something in 1940 after the Nazis surprised literally nobody in stormed through Belgium, violating Belgium's neutrality for the second time in 26 years. DeGrelle blamed the war immediately on the British, the French, and, quote, the occult forces of Freemasonry and the Jewish finance. Okay, wait. He's obviously been reading Ford, yes. Yeah, well, yeah, the, sorry, when he says occult, yes.

Does he mean occult, like hidden, or does he actually think there was wizardry involved? I think he's using that word because it connotes both. Fair, all right. Yeah. The Belgian government actually detained and imprisoned him for his fuckery, or I guess in Walloon, his forgery. Ottawa Betz helped locate where he was being held Hey Otto's back And brought

DeGrel to Paris in July of 1940 Where he then discussed expanding Belgium Into former French territory Now that the Nazis were running the show Now this of course for a Belgian is like Fuck yeah take that you French Walloons Wait I'm a Walloon But still

You know But you know Because we talked about it. We talked about the Smurfs. We talked about expansion into France, like you do. So now the Nazis are running the show, Ottawa Betts reaches out to DeGrell and says, hey, how would you like to expand part of Belgium into France? It's all going to be under the Schwartz ticket anyway.

DeGrelle came back to Brussels and tried to seize power there. But there was a good amount of internal struggle, which saw Leopold III getting support from Goebbels to a good. ignore de Grell initially. So Gerbils is saying ignore de Grell, but Otto Betts, Otto Abetz is saying de Grell, dude, like go push. Right. But remember, the Nazis did like having states agree to be a part of this new world

order. And I use that phrase on purpose. And by, honestly, the spring of 41, most of Europe was on board with it. But we're still in December, November. December of 40. So de Grell embarked on a campaign of street violence against Jews to rally support to his cause. And by December of 1940, the Nazis ordered DeGrell and his people to stop attacking Jews in the streets of Belgium because it was destabilizing the Belgian government who was collaborating with the Nazis already. Okay. So when we talk about the anti-Semitism of the Nazi

empire it hits unevenly um and and it comes in spurts and fits in some places so um let's see that gets us to that's December of 40 uh in January of 1941 de grell saw where his uh coffee coke and was buttered and he supported subsuming wrecks to the Nazis thank you um and which caused a lot of Rex to just be like, no, fuck it, we're out. We are nationalists. We are not Nazis. We're super far right, but we're nationalists. We're Catholics. We're not Nazis. We're corporatists. We're not Nazis. But DeGrelle followed it through and even tried to enlist in the Nazi army in April of 41 by writing a letter directly to Hitler. Jesus. DeGrell, a Walloon, and therefore, according to the Nazis, inferior to the Flemish,

was only allowed to enlist in a segregated unit that was regular armed forces he then goes to the eastern front and fought in an anti-partisan unit this guy bought in fully wow yeah

even even after being told yeah well okay like you can be part of part of the club This unit over here, but like not, you're never really going to be one of us. Right. So he took this as like a challenge or a test. And so in on the Eastern Front.

So they sent him to like the meat grinder that was the Eastern Front. And he survived it to the point where German officers recognized his dedication and courage to their cause. And he was awarded the Iron Cross. Now, by January 43, guess who's loving eye he'd caught? Hitler? Close. Himmler. Himmler.

And because of his courage, he convinced Himmler to declare the Walloons a Germanic people, because that's how it works. DeGrelle then said that they were a Germanic people who'd been forced to speak French, and from this point on, he was more SS than he was Rex. oh wait okay now the walloons yeah are a germanic people who are forced to speak french speaking french is a defining part of their culture yes and they're on this side of the rhine so i don't know where you get the german part So he then got its community, yeah, I kind of wish somebody was able to take the technology to do DNA testing back to the 1930s, 1940s, like just in just in these areas where these people were doing this shit so that, so that, you know, you can actually point, point to this dude and go, no, no, no. all of your haplogroups

are Celtic you know the problem the only problem I have with that number one they would have been the bell guy by the way that's a different group but the only problem that I have with that

is that you're then agreeing to their terms of definitions feeding into the even though you're dunking on them I know yeah it's just like now de Grell then got excommunicated

for imprisoning a bishop who refused him sacraments while he was in his new SS uniform in his hometown. That's August of 43. He went to church. Yes. In his SS. Yes. The level of don't be that guy.

That so many of these guys. Uh-huh. Like aspired to. Uh-huh. So DeGrelle then got injured and then recovered in January of 44. I believe he was injured fighting in Ukraine as a part of the Waffen SS, leading to his promotion to the equivalent of a major in the Waffen SS. DeGrelle then got flown to Berlin and was touted as the perfect example of a European collaborator, unironically, and getting appointed the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross of the Iron Cross. by Hitler himself, as well as the title, the popular leader of the Walloons.

Who are, by the way, a Germanic people? Right. Now, through the later half of 1944, Belgium's liberation was ongoing, and collaborators were finding ways to flee their homeland. DeGrelle, at the time of this pamphlet, was part of an armored unit engaged in the failed Western offensive and started making plans to. to get the heck out. So just real quick,

this pamphlet is written at the time that this fucker is doing his thing. Yeah. And they named his ass. That's a special kind of something. You know? Yeah.

So let's see. In May, he then approached Himmler and sought a guarantee of safety. Instead, Himmler's like, nope, we're going to make you the overfure. And so then, He fled to Norway. DeGrelle did. He fled to Norway. But then they got liberated. So then he fled to Spain. But the plane heading to Spain was meant to touch down in Spain and then carry him off to South America with a bunch of other Nazi shits. It crashed instead. It didn't kill him. But Spain, I know. You said he was a cockroach.

Spain then refused to deport him to Belgium despite the Belgians really wanting to bring DeGrelle to justice and so they sentenced him to death in absentia in 1944 Spain hungry for official recognition of the Allied nations as a valid nation still refused to repatriate DeGrel because they were citing human rights issues take that for what it is Franco being a shit head

But I love that he's like, oh, it's a human rights issue. Hey, we can't do that. We respect human rights. Like, fuck you, bud. Yeah. So Spain. Spain delayed until DeGrelle just disappeared in August of 46. And Spain was like, well, you must have left the country.

In reality, they moved him to a safe house and kept DeGrelle informed for the next nine years as to when any Belgian tourists were coming through. DeGrelle then got adopted by a Spanish. woman giving him Spanish citizenship. But because he couldn't stay away from the public and his public appearance at a ceremony honoring Spanish volunteers in the German military, how awful is that, led to a break

in diplomatic relations between Spain and Belgium. They broke off diplomatic relations over him. In the 19... Yeah. In the 1960s, DeGrell stayed in Spain regularly, openly hanging out with other Nazi exiles who would come through.

He would even wear his SS uniform to his daughter's wedding in 69. Oh, fuck that guy. In the 1970s, DeGrelle joined other Nazi exiles in denying the Holocaust, stating that instead that Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Hamburg, and Dresden were the real genocides. DeGrelle then wrote a letter to the Pope ahead of John Paul. his visits to Auschwitz in 79 denying the Holocaust by the this motherfucker I believe correct me if I'm wrong John Paul was the first non-Italian pope in 400 years he was from Poland he was Polish yes one of the countries that was like the most affected by the Holocaust yes in fairness also the

country that did the most recent pogrom in Europe, too, which was in, I believe, 46, so well after the war. But anyway, DeGrel in the 1980s was running a construction company under his own name and not his adopted Spanish name, and that construction company built air bases in Spain for the United States because Cold War. DeGrelle then married the daughter of a French visa. Dichy military commander Joseph Darnand because collaborators right he also denied that Mangelo was a bad guy in 1985 and that there were no gas chambers de Grell was an

influential writer in the early neo-Nazi movement in Europe and he was a friend of Jean-Marie Le Pen the founder of the National Front Party in France whose daughter Marine Le Pen has recently been banned from elections for like half a dozen years and she has been trying to sanitize the party a bit and keeping most of the ideology at the same time and gaining power every fucking election. Yeah.

So DeGrell was friends with her daddy. Yeah. Please tell me he died of like painful ass cancer or something. It doesn't seem to be the case. God damn it. I know. Now I should have ended on a happy ending, but frankly, we need to know this stuff.

I'm going to end this episode with DeGrelle's story just so that it hangs there for us because a lot of Nazis got away and were made rich by the United States because of the Cold War. And also, they were allowed to promote their anti or their Holocaust denial bullshit way too often. And that has absolutely had influence in our current world. And again, he was really good friends with Marine Le Pen's dad, the founder of the National Front Party, which is a far right party that damn near got a victory in the last French election. Came way too close. Yeah.

Yeah. And everybody, there had been two other elections prior to that, where he was like, look at that. They're getting their asses kicked. And I was like, they went up from 27 to 33. That's not getting your ass kicked. That's gaining ground. like everybody sees these things as like losses in a vacuum and I'm looking at like over time trend and being worried so yeah anyway de grell was friends with those fucks

and I think it bears noting that like the Nazis killed and they're responsible for the war I lay the 60 million dead kind of at their feet we could quibble over certain battles or whatnot and you know excesses of the red army or the American army and stuff like that but the Nazis deliberately went after 12 million people, which was the Holocaust, six million of which were Jews. Yes. All of that is absolutely true. And to have a person, well, so few of them were put on trial and so few of them paid for

their crimes. And so many of them had collaborators. Again, DeGrelle was a Belgian. So many collaborators got away. so many Nazis got away and it bears noting like now we're well past their their lifespan so it's really easy to forget but yeah it's too easy to forget exactly you want to probably chase down people like that with gusto so definitely anyway um i i i dare say that's probably what you gleaned is there anything else you wanted to that's that's that's most of it um but

The incredible shittiness of these people as people, you know, is something that keeps slapping me in the face when you're talking about them. and you know one one of the things about all of them is there is this in like before you become a nazi you are a self-serving asshole yeah you know what i mean it's it's like you know we we can talk about yes the ideology is is fucked up and evil like The ideology is terrible, but the people who really are the driving force of it are assholes. Yeah. And like, and the ideology gives them a philosophical framework to somehow legitimize in their own minds the logic of getting away with being an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. I like your use of the word legitimizing there. You're right.

know um and and that's that's that's that's it that's that's what that's yeah talking about all these all these quizlings um you know that's that's that is the thing they all have in common is they are self-serving selfish amoral at best assholes yeah like the next uh next episode we're going to start by talking about because because i'm i'm cutting it off here uh but there were other people that were mentioned in the pamphlet mostly and u.s native fascists i'm going to spend a fair amount of time on um and then i'll get back to the pamphlet okay uh but um there's just going to be a lot of them yeah um but you're right i mean every one of them is an asshole there's not a single one where it's like you know he just got a he got a bad head wound there's no there's no like

fast-track from being Phineas T. Gage to being a Nazi, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. All right, well, what do you want people to, to imbibe, to read? Not read. Okay. Not read. After all of this discussion of fascists and fascism, I want everybody to go out and watch Captain America the First Avenger. Oh, cool. That's what I, that's what I want everybody to do. Let's go find two more my favorite line yeah yeah that's that's it right there um yeah because that's that's what we all need to aspire to sure you know um that's that's the proper proper response to bullies i like basically yeah and he even says that i don't like bullies i don't like bullies yeah so how about you uh well i'm going to recommend two things to you uh the first

One, since you mentioned a movie, I'm going to mention a movie, a movie called Max. There's a couple different movies called Max, so this is the one you need to find. It is John Cusack, Noah Taylor, Lili Sooyeski, and Molly Parker are all in it. And it's essentially a art dealer named Rothman, and he takes under his wing a young artist, a disaffected corporal from World War I, you know of Hitler and it's uh i mean it's the work of fiction but um it is set in munich of 1918 okay and it's it's you really see the visceral anger that hitler made use of um and you see you know i talked about you know liberals being enablers you see this guy who he is a a german Jewish art dealer

an artist and he's promoting Hitler because he's like he's got these fresh ideas this is like fresh art that he's doing he's turning politics into art and so he's got this avant-garde style and somebody's like what about the anti-semitism

that he's doing he's like yeah yeah but like a lot of people do that it like it's a fucking genre and it really gets it like the core of like the enabling and the raw frustrated emotionality. So watch that and then watch Captain America. But then also I want people to go out and get the book by Rachel Maddow prequel,

an American fight against fascism because it is all about American fascists. It is all about the people who were Hitler's American friends, which is a different book. but but who who did the work and who caused great violence and there was a huge trial and none of them were brought to justice because the judge died and then things shifted and all this and I think that'll be good reading for what we've got coming up next in in this pamphlet so prequel by Rachel Maddow all right all right where can we be found we collectively can be found on our website at Wobobobobobobob Wobah.gehistorytime.com. This podcast can be found on Spotify, on the Apple podcast app, and on the Amazon podcast app. Wherever it is that you have found us, please take the time to give us the five-star review

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