A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - Breaking Down the Best Food Lyrics in Music

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Today, Josh and Nicole are breaking it down and dissecting their favorite food lyrics in music, from System of a Down to Biggie Smalls. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This, this, this, this is mythical. Hey, what's that one lyric where Biggie Smalls eats a really balanced breakfast? Oh, I know this one. It's T-bone steak, eggs, cheese, and welch is great. You gotta get your protein in early, you know? This is a hot dog in the sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense.

Hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog in a sandwich hot dog is a sandwich Welcome to our podcast a hot dog is a sandwich the show we break down the world's biggest food debates I'm your host Josh air and every host Nicole and I ad and today we are talking about the greatest food lyrics in the history of music and we Probably said the winner in the intro. That's right. I don't know how you can beat that. I do love it when you call me Big Poppa. I am okay with it if that's your thing.

I wouldn't necessarily request it, but I totally understand and I'll play along for the time being. How was my Viggy Smalls impersonation on skill one? Can you do more? Yeah, but it's really embarrassing because I used to have an ex that would I used to like recite this one lyric and he'd be like, wow, that sounds so much like it.

Can you call my friends and pretend you're making small and I'm like, yeah, of course. Such a people pleaser. That feels like such a mid 2000s thing to do. Such. You know, that feels like a moment in time where you would, or you would send people to the Sandstorm by Darude Hotline. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that?

There was a number you could call and it would just play the song Sandstorm? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, doing that, calling people, sounding like an artist, that was the height of like, commute radio shows. This was like six years ago though. Okay, I thought this was a lot. I thought this was like 2012. You know, we're like, cruise in the morning

on Power 106, would have like the prank call shows. Oh my gosh! You know, that felt like it didn't air out. I grew up on Ryan's roses personally. I was a Kevin and Bean kid. Is this interesting to you? Kevin and Bean, was that?

International audience? Was that 106.7? 106.7, KROQ. Wow. Kevin and Bean, dude. K-Rock, man. Rady on the rock! So we're going to be talking about the greatest food lyrics in music.

Why? Because honestly, I love music and Josh does music too, but we could not be more different in the types of music that we like. Yes. Josh likes what I like to call hard to listen rock. Not hard rock. Yeah, I like, no, that's a good- Hard to listen to rock.

That is a pretty good descriptor, a lot of it. Hard, not very good. Well, some of it's good. Some of it, so, you know, through osmosis, being friends with Josh for about five and a half years, I have learned to like accept the music he listens to, not necessarily love it, but I understand the music he listens to and why he listens to it so much. Yeah, I would call it acerbic in a way.

Acerbic? And I did Google what acerbic means. Sharply or bitingly critical or ironic in temper, mood or tone. It's a kind of like, you know what I mean? And I have actually picked five of my favorite songs. You have? With food lyrics here. And like you said, of like, you know what I mean? And I have actually picked five of my favorite songs with food lyrics here.

And like you said, a lot of these are going to be songs that maybe people haven't heard of, but they are ones that are very special to me. And I don't know if I could consider them the greatest. I have one, and the shirt that I'm wearing is probably a clue as to what I think the single greatest food lyric in the history of music is. I'm going to take a guess.

Is it about pizza toppings? It is indeed about pizza toppings, but it's about so much more. Enlighten us being the viewers and listeners. Do you want me to get into it? Why not? Launching my tie right? All right, we're doing it. If you want, sure.

So I'm wearing a Serge Tonkin shirt. Lead singer of System of Down, had an incredible solo career as well. But this is the song Chicken Stew, off of their third studio album, called Steal This Album. Okay. And it starts off, Darren Malakian, right? He comes in on the intro. Ball games in the refrigerator, doors closed, lights are out,

butter's getting hard. But then Serge and Darren come in and they say, what a splendid pie, pizza, pizza pie, every minute, every second, bye bye, bye bye, bye. What a splendid pie, pizza, pizza pie, pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, chives. Pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, chives. Need therapy, therapy, advertising causes need. Anyways, the thing that I love about this lyric, do you have any idea what it's kind of saying?

Like why they're- I've never heard the song the whole way through. Well, so there aren't many lyrics. It literally just says, what is splendid pie, pizza, pizza pie, every minute, every second, bye bye, bye bye bye, and then need therapy, therapy, advertising causes need therapy. And that's the entire song with a very heavy guitar leg.

I'm just more upset that they have chives as a pizza topping, because I don't think I would like chives on my pizza. And that's all I gotta say about that. So I actually got to ask Search Tonky and why he included chives, and he just said he thought it sounded nice. It kind of rhymes with bye.

What is it? What are the toppings? Pepperoni and green peppers, mushrooms, olives, ch the toppings pepperoni and green peppers mushrooms olives chives? Really in green peppers mushrooms olives chives that works actually This is a veggie pizza We love veggie pizza, but there was no more appropriate pizza topping that slant rhymed with the word by within the song mm-hmm You know you couldn't I don't know throw on Soprata at the end there.

Trying to think of foods that rhyme with bi. But the reason I love this lyric, right, is... And chi. Sorry. They're talking about the idea that just mass market consumer advertising flooding the airwaves constantly, which this is a big topic of conversation in the 90s as well, that kind of cable TV brain rot. Okay. Domino's and Pizza Hut just throwing advertisements at you constantly this feeling of it being completely Overwhelming of people telling you to buy things

There's a new triple threat pizza box where you get the brownie and the pizza and you can get the double pepperoni And if you buy three pizzas with three toppings you get that for the price of two pizzas with two toppings and download the Domino's app Domino's pizza tracker was you know Pizza Tracker was, you know, almost coming out around this time. But like, the idea that they're just screaming the names of pizza toppings at you in the way that advertising feels, right? In the heavy guitar licks, it's almost like a sound poem. It invokes this feeling in you of being completely overwhelmed and saturated as we often are, and also using food as a literal consumable product.

Right. Right, something that you're just shoving in your gullet, it kind of invokes this hyper gluttonous attitude towards the way that we consume everything. I think this is the greatest food lyric of all time. So you mean to tell me capitalism. Yeah, well yeah, that's what a lot of the System of a Down songs were about.

Well, it is called Steal This Album. It's literally called Steal This Album, it sure is. Yeah, I get it, I just wish there was more. No, but I think- Is it just me? No, but I think that is, there are some songs that you listen to the lyrics and you're effectively reading it as a spoken word poem, the lyrics are very meaningful.

I agree with that. But I think what I love about music is like the general soundscape, the tone, all of it conveys something more than words could ever convey. I agree. And the feeling of listening to the song Chicken Stew is the same feeling that you get of being completely just overwhelmed and consumed by advertisements in a way. Interesting, interesting. Of this just, you know, beautiful long-locked Armenian man screaming pizza toppings in your face while Shavo Odagian's bass is going, you know, chugging in the background. My question is, so it's just advertising? It's about advertising and capitalism and just being inundated with that 24-7?

Yeah, yeah, and then the rest of their work goes into, of course, like the military industrial complex. They do talk about that a lot. Yeah, yeah, 100%. They sure do. A lot of Armenian sovereignty as well. But I think this is more, unless this is about the many lovely Armenia-owned pizza joints in the valley. I was gonna say. And there really are. Maybe this is just, maybe I'm misreading the song.

Maybe he's just hungry and they were craving That pizza from the Armenian pizza place one of my favorite things in LA is you go to a place called like Tony's Roma Deli in like North Hollywood like kachapuri and they'll be a kachapuri. They'll call it like gondola pizza or Oh my god, it's the best I love the valley so much Oh, we can we can ask him Serge if you would make a song about kachapuri or a jar. God, I love the valley so much. They should have made a song about Kachapuri. Oh, we can ask them. Serge, if you would make a song about Kachapuri or Ajarski as it might be more commonly called in Armenia.

Ajarski, that's right. I think we'd be a happier, happier people. I think so, yeah. Bring the band back together, the first single off the new album. So I'm not going to talk about my favorite lyrics. I'm just talking about lyrics that really mean a lot to me. So I don't know why, but for me, rap music and like hip hop music is my favorite way to consume.

Ha ha. Like rap, food, like music, lyrics about food. I don't know why. I think for me, it's also like the imagery of it all. And for me, whenever like I first started listening to like rap music and stuff like that, of course I like knew about the West Coast stuff, but for some reason because I watch VH1 so much I learned about rap music from like and like hip-hop music from like, you know

The song like the breaks by Curtis Blow and like Sugarhill Gang. Yeah And stuff like that like hey today we're gonna talk about this and talk about that A hip hop, a hip into the hip. Exactly. And for me to this day, the first song I heard where I was like, oh, this guy's telling a story through food is the Sugarhill Gang, where they talk about going to someone's house and having a horrible meal. Do you know what I'm talking about? No, I've never heard this.

So first of all, the Rapper's Delight Sugarhill Gang song is so long. It's maybe like a 12 to 13 minute song. No, is it? It's long. It's long. Here, I'll Google it. And this is my favorite story ever told, okay? But imagine like I'm a cute like... It's 14 minutes and 37 seconds.

It's one of the longest hip hop songs of all time. And the last stanza pretty much is where this guy's like, he goes to his friend's house and he's like, the food just isn't good. But let me explain. Ever went over to a friend's house, see the food just ain't no good? I mean, the macaroni's soggy, the peas are mush,

and the chicken tastes like wood. Oh my God, I have heard this. So you try to play it off like you think you can by saying that you're full. And your friend says, mama, he's just being polite. He ain't finished. Uh uh-uh that's bull And your friend says man there's plenty of food so you pile some more on your plate and While that stinky food steaming in your mind starts dreaming of the moment

It's time to leave and you look on your plane your chicken slowly rotting into something that looks like cheese also This is the first time I heard what kaopeptate was like And I literally googled it and I'm like what is this? looks like cheese. Also, this is the first time I heard what kaopeptate was, like, you know, the medication? Yeah, kaopeptate. And I literally Googled it and I'm like, what is this? Wait, what does he rhyme kaopectate with? So you bust on the door, this is me rapping. And so you bust on the door while it's still closed, still sick from the food you ate, and then you run to the store for a quick relief from a bottle of kaopectate. Sick, wait, sick from the food you ate, rhyming with K-O-PEC-TATE.

Listen, that's quality. But something about this, like the chicken tastes like wood. I think we've all had this experience of going to our friend's house where the mom just doesn't know how to throw down in the kitchen, but you try to be polite and you still eat the food. And something about it, just every time this plays in my head, I just start laughing and smiling because it's so specific and we've all had that experience growing up where someone's mom just doesn't know what she's doing, but you try to be polite and try to be kind and eat the meal and then you feel sick afterwards.

And I just love that the first ever like hip hop rap song to ever come out has that in there. You know what I mean? It's just so silly to me and just so silly. 1979. That's right. The Sugarhill Gang. So that's one of my favorites of all time.

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You see this in any art form, in any sport. You watch basketball videos from the 1950s. And they're just running around. They're just bouncing the ball around. They're just bouncing the ball around. They're just bouncing the ball. But we were talking about, there's a line, it's not a food line, but that we've heard

in multiple old school songs. I think I heard Be Real from Cypress Hill say it the first time, but it's just, a tisket, a tasket, you know I had to blast ya. And I'm like, what do you mean a tisket, a tasket, you know I had to blast ya? None of that even rhymes.

And Cypress Hill is probably my favorite, you know, like rap group in history. I love them, shout out, they made a lot of their music in Burbank as well. But I was listening to it and I was like, man, you just couldn't get away with those lyrics today. You couldn't get away with talking about how the chicken tastes like wood. I know. It's just so funny and just so, it's like funny and it's campy. But during that time, like true storytelling was so funny and easy and light. And it's just so enjoyable. It's just an enjoyable and the beat is so like fun and jumpy,

you know, it's just fun. It's just a good time for me. I have Nicole, I know you think I'm like a one genre pony. No, I never said that. I just said your music is hard to listen to. I listened to some hip hop as well. I sure do. No, one of my favorite food lyrics in any song

and actually taught me a recipe, which is what I love. Shut up. Do you know what I'm about to talk about? No, no, no. I'm trying to sneak but I can't see. Do you know? Okay, so it's a rapper. Okay. And if I said he's from Kansas City, would you know who that is?

Give me more context. A little bit of a horror core rapper. Oh my gosh. He is Tim Tec-9. Tec-9, baby. Are you going to talk about Caribou Lou? Caribou Lou! This man taught me you gonna talk about caribou Lou? This man taught me how to make a delicious cocktail that would be filled with 151 rum, pineapple juice, and Malibu, caribou, get them all numb,

make baby girl come out of her shell, and raise hell, don't stop till the cops come. But then, so that's the chorus, right? And then he comes in with the first verse, and he's like, I did not specify any actual quantities, so now, I, Tech Nine, will give you that. He says, half a bottle of 151 off and a jug, one cup of Malibu rum, so half a bottle of 151, one that's gonna be highly, gonna be a very high ABV for a cocktail.

Bacardi 151, they have, I believe, believe stopped making that or maybe they just made it illegal in California Let's write let's change.org a half a bottle. So it's gonna be about a 3 to 2 ratio of 151 rum with Malibu and so Malibu gonna give you some of the coconut aromatics and sweetness going in there So funny and then you just fill the rest of the jug with pineapple juice and it's cracking. Was this a song that the kids would sing out? What? Is this a song that kids would sing at parties? Yeah.

No! There was another song, Cult 45. I've been too zigzagged, baby, that's all we need. We can go to the park after dark, smoke that tumbleweed, and when the marijuana burns, we can take our turn singing them dirty rap songs, just stopping at the Bong, Mictiz, and Chong, selling tapes from here to Hong Kong It's similar That was afro man. Oh, I was afro man out of Palmdale

Yeah, there's yeah, we will get into the demographic politics I'll tell you what a lot of white people love afro man. I tell you something. I don't know how it happened But I was at a party singing 151 run. I you know, a lot of white people love Afro Man. Can I tell you something? And Tech N9ne. I don't know how it happened, but I was at a party singing 151 rum. I, you know, I never, people love this song too. They would sing this at parties too, like from the top of their lungs. I'm just like, hee hee ha ha. Like I know what's going on. I went to a Tech N9ne concert one time. Yeah. And I had to leave early. That's all I'm gonna say. I had to leave early.

Get the party jumping, keep the hotties humping. I like them thick and juicy, so don't Pilates nothing. I love that. Body positive. They were talking about Pilates? How long ago is this? Might be karate punchin' her at the back of the club attending the naughty luncheon. When did this song come out? They were talking about Pilates bodies. When? 1995? I can't believe it. He was anti-Pilates princess in 1995. That's so funny.

That's hilarious. Yeah, I love this. Fill the rest of the jug with pineapple juice and it's cracking. The only defect is waking up like, what happened? And I, if you are drinking caribou-lou, I was once at a like craft cocktail bar in New Orleans and I was talking with a dude who had a drink that had like an overproof rum and a coconut shrub and like a pineapple tincture or something. And I was like, is this an artisanal play on caribou loup? And he just went, I can't believe you called that out

right now, yes it is. Oh my gosh, was he obsessed with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so yeah, caribou loup is a fun handshake to people who know. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. Look at me not only listening, I'm not genre-phobic.

No, you're not genre-phobic. I never would ever consider you genre-phobic. Okay, so another one of my favorites. Again, I'm sorry, I'm a little bit of a one-trick pony right now, but that's fine. I don't care. There's this one song called Ham and Eggs by a Tribe Called Quest. I don't know if you've ever heard quest I don't know you know something okay, so am I allowed to sing it? I'm gonna sing it We're allowed to sing it goes. I don't need no ham and eggs because they're high in cholesterol Hey Fife do you eat them? No, not at all again. It's this it's the same songy silly storytelling that just something about it just makes my brain go into like ultimate like joy mode and I'm convinced the reason why they say I don't think

it's because they're high in cholesterol I think the reason why they don't eat it is because two out of the four to five members of a tribe called quest are devout Muslims Oh really Q-tip raised Muslim Ali Shademuhammed Muslim one of those names sounds my right way to sound Muslim right. One of those names sounds, and there's no right way to sound Muslim, right? But one of those, if you were to guess which one out of Q-tip and... They're both Muslim. Yeah, yeah. If I were to guess, probably Ali Sheed Mohammed.

Yeah, the one that ends in Mohammed, typically. So they were raised Muslim in New York, and they're not the only people that have talked about not eating any pork. Nikki Minaj also says, As-salamu alaykum,' no pork for me." Ice Cube has it in his song too, where he says- Mama cooked the breakfast with no hog. And do you know that one? Also, he was raised Muslim as well,

which I just think it's great how they're just like, I'm gonna say it's because of cholesterol, but I don't think that's the only reason why. But also, that's awesome storytelling. Yeah, I know. There's also something about specifically in, what's the song, it was just called Good Day by Cube? We're gonna have a good day. What? No, gotta say it was a by Cube. We're gonna have a good day.

What? No, gotta say it was a good day. Oh, today was a good day. Today was a good day, okay. No, no, good day, I know what you're talking about. It was a good day anyways. In that one, somebody actually was able to triangulate what exact day he was talking about.

No way. There's the line where he talks about the Lakers beat the Supersonics. Oh. Which is one. Which actually happened? Well, yeah, I mean like the Lakers were. Who were the Supersonics? Oh, I was about to say there's a great podcast about Seattle SuperSonics. They were a Seattle NBA team. Okay, Kevin Durant was actually drafted to the Seattle SuperSonics

I know exactly who that is, right? But then this is god. I couldn't remember what year 2006 or whatever Maybe slightly later they moved to Oklahoma City and became the Oklahoma City Thunder And now Seattle has not had an NBA team since it's kind of bummer Sean Can't see how it's an NBA team What do you think the Seattle Seahawks play? This is this is a judgment-free zone. I just want you to answer They do play football and I was talking about basketball Because I said the Lakers beat the supersonics and Lakers play

basketball because I said the Lakers beat the SuperSonics and the Lakers play basketball there's LeBron James she knows. The Seattle Seahawks I you know what we need to start doing I think we need to just like have like conglomerates like the LA like screw the Clippers screw the Rams it should just be the LA Lakers basketball edition or you think they should merge both the LA Clippers and the LA Lakers. Yeah, but we'll call them like a basketball club like West LA Lakers East LA Clippers or the other way around okay, and then also the football team should also be called the Lakers Okay, I mean that's kind of what they do in in Europe. Okay. Well, there'll be like a Real Madrid basketball team and a Real Madrid in Europe. Okay, well, yeah. There'll be like a Real Madrid basketball team and a Real Madrid football club. So you mean to tell me I'm a trendsetter? Well, no, you're just you're copying what Europe has been doing for like probably hundreds of years I could imagine. Okay, some people call it appropriation. I just call it trendsetting. So yeah, that's another one. Ham and Eggs by Tribe Called Quest. Fantastic song.

Also another one of those storytelling songs where they talk about freaking they talk about roti they talk about soursop They talk about asparagus. They talk about steak, and I just love that song so much. Yeah. Yeah, man I need to listen to more tribe they I this is a great intro song to them if you if that's like one of my favorites Okay, so this I Think they're very easy to listen to I think they're a fantastic band. I've seen them I've seen them live and they're incredible I don't know how much I've played for you in the kitchen But this is the band Bloody Wood out of India. Oh the Indian hardcore music you love. The Indian metal band

They're like a new metal band from India. I love Bloody Wood so much You've seen me wear the t-shirt before but they just came out with an album called New Delhi and there's a single on it called, called Dargah. Oh, sick. Tell the people what Dargah is. So Dargah is an Indian cooking technique where you are effectively like, you're blooming the spices in hot oil or ghee, but you basically like heat up oil or ghee, super hot,

and then you add whatever like curry leaves, coriander seed, jeera, which is cumin, black mustard, whatever, some chili pods probably, and then you will kind of like scorch them and you put that like on the food and it's just this incredible flavor bloom. It's like a beautiful world cooking technique, but they came out with a song called Tarka that like uses a bunch of food metaphors. We ride at dawn, the blades are drawn, the battle is on, the stove is lit, we chop the bits, you know it's only second nature, we're making the flavor hit. Oh, that's cool.

It is great. And then, what is it? Because the guests of the house get the best that we got. All of a sudden, if you want to make it big, you better be fully fed. So I did, then I went and got bigger, thanks to the cooking of a mother. And a mother figure got me thinking about all the people

that be pulling the trigger, because they don't even know if they be eating for dinner. And I'm like, yeah, it's like I got to care and the food's so good, man, I got to share. Hey! It's actually like a really beautiful song and they're, you know, a lot of heavy music is super political and, you know, they're talking about, you know, people who are after pulling the trigger, it's because they don't know if they're going to eat dinner that night. And you know know this idea of

Sharing food and taking care of people's needs and sure the love of a mother coming through the first time I Recognized what love in cooking meant was my best friend deeps mom's cooking right like straight out of Gujarat India, that's beautiful literally the amount of labor that goes into making something like a T guy, right? That goes into making so many like Indian sweets It was that like real feeling of caring about someone and then they just got sick guitar breakdowns and rapping and they're just a rad band Dude, shut up to all the guys from Bloodywood. That's a fantastic. That's a fantastic visual story Yeah, right instantly takes you where the where the artist is a bunch of promo shoots wearing like chef gear, too But also so nerdy that's so nerdy. Oh metal is also the nerdiest thing you where the where the artist is. They did a bunch of promo shoots wearing like chef gear too, but also still in their little outfits. Aww, that's so nerdy. That's so nerdy. Oh, metal is also the nerdiest thing.

Yeah, like I don't know I feel like watching movies growing up you see the metal heads and they're the ones that are like the Burnouts. Yeah, but but they're also kind of like kind of like tough and dangerous. And scary. And scary, right? I don't know that I've ever felt that way at like a metal show. It's always like, oh, that person's running a D&D campaign. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, I believe that. Music brings people together, just like food does. Yeah, who's Cannibal Corpse's lead singer?

I think his name is just George Corpsegrinder. But just the sweetest man in the world. And he's just a huge nerd, plays D&D, big and wild. Is Corpsegrinder his father's last name, or is that a personal...? Just an Ellis Island name. They're like, my name's Schwartstein, and they're just like, or changed it to Corpse Grinder. Do you want to talk about what you think Biggie Smalls was eating? His real name's Fisher, by the way.

Oh, okay, great. Great. Do you want to talk about what Biggie Smalls was really eating in Big Papa? I would love to because there has been many a debate about Well, the meal is a T bones Let me let me go ahead and say the full lyric pull up the truck front and roll up the next blunt So we can steam on the way to the telly to go fill my belly a T bone steak cheese eggs and Welch's grape. Now there has been many a debate about what the Welch's grape is. There are three schools of thought. We got

juice, we got jelly, we got soda. Some people like to call this quote unquote grape gate. Grape gate. Yeah. It was one of those things that was like on like message boards, like, like, like last FM and pitchfork and stuff like that. People were like, it was one of those things that was like on like message boards, like Last FM and Pitchfork and stuff like that. People were like, he was definitely talking about the jelly. His friend said that he always had like a little side of jelly every single time. Jelly would make the most sense. If you're getting like steak and eggs, then you will probably have a side of toast.

Right. And even if it were like a diner. But you know the problem is, he doesn't mention toast in his, is the toast implied? Maybe he was cutting carbs Do you think? I don't know what notorious big I know he was a large man. He might have cut carbs You don't know I'm sorry. You know talk about how much toast you that you know biggie Smalls is eating a breakfast

Wait wait wait so my problem is- like rye or sourdough. No no wait a second wait a second I but see the thing is I think he was cooking this up at home. I're like rye or sourdough. No, no, wait a second, wait a second. But see the thing is, I think he was cooking this up at home, I don't think, oh, oh, so he says, so we can steam on the way, smirk, smirk. Oh, that's what that meant, okay. To the telly, go fill my belly. So I think what he's doing is, his lovely lady is probably cooking him up this meal

so he can eat it in front of his television. That's very sweet. Yeah. But do you think, you think it's jelly? I think it's juice. No, no, I don't think it's jelly. I think it's juice. You think it's juice? I do think it's juice, yeah. Okay, why? He just seems like a guy who likes to drink a big glass of grape juice. It feels kind

of luxurious in a way. But not soda? Not soda, because I think juice pairs better with breakfast foods when I first heard this and I heard welches grape I probably first heard this song when I was a child right me too I envisioned soda because I didn't grow up drinking juice is there welches grape soda. Yes. Okay. Yeah, absolutely Pretty quality stuff. I thought it was just drink. No, no, no, they got a nice can grapes So but now I believe it's juice and I haven't read a lot of evidence So they're compelling cases to indicate there's a few okay, so writer then believe it's juice. And I haven't read a lot of evidence, so there are compelling cases to indicate that it's juice.

Okay, so writer Thambisa Mshaka says, gee, I'm sorry, writer Thambisa Mshaka says they shared a meal with the late rapper only a few days before his untimely passing, and he had grape juice along with his eggs, and a business vet named Larry Hawkburns said he would call in room service and order juice all of the time. And Questlove, you know, the Roots bandleader, he also strongly states that he was a juice

man. But for me, is it juice? It is juice because let me tell you, because he wouldn't be smoking up blunt. Perp. The color of the juice as well. Yes. Yes, I'm familiar with the perp. I don't think he would be rolling up a bleezy at 10 a.m. I think because he was pulling up the truck. He was driving. I think I don't think he was the kind of guy that woke up at 6 a.m. To go chase the day, do a little morning routine, stick his face in ice water. You're making a lot of assumptions about Biggie Smalls' morning routine here.

I don't think Biggie Smalls was up around 7 a.m. You don't think he was journaling? I don't think he was a big journaler. Well, he was a writer. He was, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But I don't think, I think he was eating this around like 11 45, a little brunch situation if you will, after he did some of his very important work he had to do in the morning. Yes. He came home hungry. He put on a TV, filled up on steak, eggs, and I think juice is the right answer.

Juice, it feels nourishing and nutritive. Also dude, a cold-ass glass of Concord grape juice is such a treat man. Big grape juice guy over here. Big grape flavor. Grape soda is maybe my favorite soda. Hard. Someone needs to make a zero calorie grape soda out there. My favorite soda is cactus cooler. But I'm not rapping about cactus cooler. I haven't had one of those in years. Also someone that says jelly says,

The unsaid jelly rhymes with telly and belly. Whoa. Yeah. Wait. say it again. So we can steam on the way to the telly, go fill my belly, a T-bone steak, egg, cheese, and Welch's grape jelly. Oh my god, yeah, that's gotta be it though, right? But no, but it's steak, cheese, eggs, and Welch's grape. Yeah, but like, I mean, he was known for a lot of like like crazy rhyme cadences

You know what I think I think he had Welch's grape apostrophe as well as jelly Damn okay the fact though that this this lyric has been argued about for so long This is unequivocally the greatest like rap lyric regarding food all time. Maybe one of the best rap lyrics of all time I will say little Wayne real G's move in silence like lasagna. The G is not silent in lasagna. That's my only issue with this. You say lasagna? No, I don't.

But take out the G and just say L-A-S-A-N-A. What does that say? Lasagna. No, it's not. Lasana. Lasana. The G's not silent. It's a modifying letter.

OK. No, it's not silent. It's an Italian letter. But that said, listen. Listen. Love Wayne. It's a modifying letter. Okay. It's an Italian letter. So, but that said, listen, love Wayne. It's a great line. A thing we haven't talked about is MF Doom's whole album. Oh, well, yeah. Food.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. And all of his, he had like one mixtape. Actually, I was listening to it today about like all the different roots and stuff. He has like a song called like Jinsing and like Peach and stuff like that. Is that the same one? Yeah, MF Doom, man. RIP. He's a polymath. Beef rap, hoe cakes, deep fried friends, poop putt platter, filet-o-rapper. He's got a song called Gumbo. Yeah. I have one more honorable mention. This is the toughest song to listen to. This is Pizza

by Attila. You already had a pizza one. You're going to do to. This is Pizza by Attila. You already had a pizza one. You're gonna do another pizza one? I know, I know, but this is... You know what you are, a pizza poser. F you. I've never seen you eat a slice. To you, it's just a trend. Pizza is my life. Thin crust, deep dish, double pepperoni,

Elio stuffed crust, no anchovies. Pizza rolls, bagel bites, cheesy crust is what I like. But then, then where it, oh I got drunk with Papa John, he snorted something with his apron on. We're gonna get so flacked. He got too effed up for delivery, it was over 30 minutes so my pizza was free. But then there's a great breakdown where they say, dude are you effing kidding me, pineapple on the whole effing pizza, and then he says effing pineapple and then just goes into this hardcore growl breakdown where they talk about

how pineapple doesn't belong on pizza. So for those reasons I think Pizza by Attila also needs to be, we can play the song on full blast after this. This isn't my favorite, but these are my honorable mentions. I love when rappers talk about their cars and how they are like food. Like... Go on. Like, whatever that one guy, 2 Chainz says in Mercy. Sorry, I'm gonna talk about Kanye West's song.

Where he talks about coop the color of mayonnaise. I've never heard that though. Drunken high at the same time drink champagne on an airplane. You know what I'm talking about? Oh My god, how about whatever? It bring up ice cream paint job And then also there's not a food lyric ice cream paint job. The paint job is like ice cream. That is a food Metaphore. Yeah, and then also smalls was eating that my My favorite of all time, do you know the song doughboy fresh? One I don't know who says it but he says peanut butter inside outside jelly and to this day

It says, peanut butter inside, outside jelly. And to this day, the visual imagery of a car that the interior is this really cool peanut butter color, the outside is like this bright shiny jelly. To this day, I can literally see that car in my head. That's what he was talking about? Yeah, what did you think of? I was talking about a damn sandwich.

You did it. I just never thought about it. Sorry, I'm the whitest man on the planet. Long story short We just really wanted to talk about the songs we like on this podcast Here's the thing is I like Fish and Grits and all that pimp SHI double hockey sticks So if you like Fish and Grits and all that everybody let me hear you say oh, yeah You're the final no we need to leave them on the final line of the song pizza by Attila is I hate that song. No, we'll hear me out. No, I'm gonna peel your on the final line of the song pizza by Attila is I hate that song

No, well hear me out. No, I'm gonna peel your eyes out of your effing skull. I will extract your blood and use it as pizza sauce Gross Gross Well, that's cuz they say dude chill you can peel off the pineapple so he threatens to peel his anyways I had a blast. Can we do this again? Oh man. Alrighty, Nicole. I've heard what you and I have to say. And what Biggie Smalls had to say.

Now it's time to find out what other wacky idiots are rattling out there in the universe. It's time for a little segment we call Opinions are like casserole. You know what lyric of Biggie Smalls I really like? It's when he goes have sex on rugs as Persian and I'm like ah Persian! Representation. Representation matters. And they talks about putting someone in the basement. Does Drake have any Persian lyrics? Cuz I feel like in my experience, 95% of Drake fans are Persian.

Yeah. I don't think that's a global statistic. I'm saying people in my life. Yeah, yeah, I know. There's this song called Persian Rugs that is by, I believe, Party Next Door. OK. Let me just make sure.

Persian Rugs, yes, by Party Next Door. And Party Next Door is a common collaborator with Drake. Interesting. You are not wrong, but you're not right either. Yeah, now Drake, has he been sort of adopted as an honorary Persian? He's got a great lineup on the beard. You know?

I can neither confirm nor deny, but I do love Kendrick Lamar as well as Drake. I like both of them. They are both very talented musicians and I'm very honored to live in a timeline where both of them can thrive and exist within the plane of hip-hop and rap music. How lucky are we? No, I will say I vastly prefer the musical stylings of Kendrick Lamar.

I... Okay. I like both. They're different. They're different. They're very different artists. They not like it. Crank that first opinion up. Crank that soldier boy opinion. I will never get used to that message. Nor I. Why? I want to look less of an opinion, more of looking for a recommendation. Happy to give it. My name is Rob from Michigan. I have to eat a low sodium diet due to

genetic blood pressure issues. Tell me about it, Stan. Kind of seasoning you guys would recommend beyond salt. I got you. Keeping in mind I've tried the Tony Fashery's low sodium. Oh, there goes my option. I actually like all the brown sugar in it. Thanks. You ever heard of Mrs. Dash? Is that actually good though? We all grew up with Mrs. Dash low sodium. Does it actually taste good? It does the job.

The problem is, Josh, we don't have the highest of sodiums. Do you have high sodium? Well, I don't know. I eat a lot of sodium. I'll tell you what. When's the last time you got a comprehensive blood panel? Every, uh, about a year ago. I'm due for it. I'm getting it again. Julia made me do it. Let's get another one.

Yeah, when me and Julia moved in together, she treated it like whenever an NFL team trades for like a 34-year-old player. I love her. They're like, well, let's wait for when the MRIs come back, you know, because we need to know what we're really getting into. I support it. Did you also do a genetic test? No, no, no, not yet. But I think this happened with the Lakers tried to play, tried to trade for, was it

Derek Williams, I think? And he just like failed the physical and then the trade didn't go through. And then the Lakers had to bring on Dalton Connect, the guy that they were going to trade for him. Yeah. And so this guy didn't even know he was gonna get traded. I'm telling you, I respect her decision. Um, try Mrs. Dash, bestie.

It's good, what do you mean? Of course it's good. It's fine. I think what you need to do is, your health is more important than your taste buds saying, yay, I'm so happy. You're gonna have to weigh the pros and cons here and not have the most delicious food of all time, and that's okay, you know? For me, whenever you get health scares like that,

something needs to trigger in your brain to tell you, okay, I need to put my pleasures aside a little bit and concentrate on my health. And that's just me. The tough thing is straight up from a culinary perspective is there's no substitute for salt, right? Like you can, if somebody was like, I'm on a low carb diet, a low fat diet,

I have these allergies, I can't eat this stuff, it'd be easy to find a substitute. Sodium is salt. It is, yeah. Like sodium, it's, what is it, NACL, sodium chloride, is table salt, right? I think so. The point is it's like a very isolated mineral,

so like, I don't know, if you add more acid to your food, it'll probably, you know, make it taste more palatable, but that's not like a long-term solution. I think you just gotta, you gotta rough it. MSG has lower sodium content than your standard table salt, you know, so maybe that could help, but I don't know. And it makes sense that- Consult your doctor. Tony Sachery's low sodium would have brown sugar because it's like, well, you gotta substitute

one good taste for another. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is a really tough pickle, and I'm wondering if anybody else has any advice because I rue the day that I would have to do that. Hey, hey guys, you're on speaker, and my fiance has never heard your message before, and she's looking at me like-

Someone's getting lucky tonight. Hey. I've never heard your You don't have to play this one of the podcast you can make it like a short or something but we're watching What's it called wild card kitchen and to Maris? Overturned her ice cream like two times in a row And I'm wondering can you take overturned ice cream and put it in the microwave until it's just barely melted and then run that same mixture again? Like would that work? I don't know. Let me know. Thanks. Interesting. What is the show that this person's in? Wild Card Kitchen hosted by Eric Adjepong. Eric Adjepong, he was on Top Chef,

oh, seven, eight years ago, but yeah, Eric Adjepong's lovely, and Demaris Phillips, I believe, won one of the earlier seasons of Next Food Network Star. She is just a bright light. Love it. Love Demaris so much, I think she's from Louisville, Kentucky. Overturned ice cream, I don't know if I've ever had that. I've never had that problem.

I've never had that problem. But obviously any overturned dairy, like if you over whip whipped cream, you're sort of just getting the butter. And so I imagine ice cream would do the same thing, which means that you cannot simply melt it because it's fundamentally changed the protein structure. Right, because you're doing kind of like the butter solids in the whey, right? Yeah. So, almost like cheese making. So, in my initial thing was, oh yeah, if you just strain it. Because if it... The thing is, does the overturned liquid, is that still considered ice cream

because of the fat content? Or does that turn into... Because what I'm thinking is, overturned ice cream is like ice cream with just some grit because of the butter solids and like maybe the milk solids just acting weird so what I would do is I would melt it down strain it and then do it again but if you use a creme anglaise base I wouldn't I would just start no you know I just start over from scratch well is over churned ice cream does that actually refer to ice cream that has been churned like butter because I don't know if that would I don't know if that would happen, especially if you're using other,

because you typically don't just, ice cream isn't just like heavy cream and sugar. You might use a custard base. You could also just thin it out with other milk. I think Jenny's uses like cornstarch and cream cheese as a binder in some of their bases. Oh really? Yeah.

To be honest, I don't make enough ice cream to judge this properly. So if your ice cream is just like over ch overturned in the machine and it sort of like stopped moving and it's clumping up a little bit which means that large ice crystals have formed that could be a thing I've done that before then in that case you yeah you could just melt it down and re-spin it and stop it earlier. Make sure to strain it. Make sure strain you could. You could, honestly what I would do, I think a lot of people,

I don't know if they overuse strainers, dude, Vitamixes, they solve a lot of problems. You could take that ice cream. What I would do with overturned ice cream, especially in a cooking composition format, is I would chuck it into a Vitamix. And like not a food processor, because a food processor takes too much time,

it's gonna heat it up too much. Put it in a Vitamix and blitz it. Vitamix heats it up. So, what do you mean, Vitamix is used to make soup? What are you talking about? No, no, I agree with that, but I'm saying it works quick and violent. So like a Vitamix, you could just take the tamper and just mash it down, crank it on high for 10 seconds, pop it in a blast chiller.

I think you're wrong, because the speed of the Vitamix is so fast It would overheat it. I would actually Completely disagree with what you said and I would put it in a food processor and pulse it But I feel like then you're not gonna get it smooth. You're gonna kind of then I would strain it but see I'm Strain you're still just adding more agitation. It's open in the air I think I can put that in a Vitamix for 10 seconds We should test it, you know and then pop that in a blast chiller or check this out What you do is you melt it down you take out the anti-grittle you put it on the anti-grittle

Oh, anti-grittle that is such a food comp. Can we buy an anti-grittle? Anti-grittle for anybody that doesn't know How much is an anti-grittle? It's imagine you know a griddle is hot, make pancakes on it Okay, $1,400 can you buy it? Anti-grittle it's cold. It's a griddle that's cold. It's what Cold $1,400, can you buy it? Anti-griddle, it's cold. It's a griddle that's cold. It's what Cold Stone Creamer uses, basically.

I want it, I want it, I want it, can you buy it? So you take the ice cream base, spread it thin on an anti-griddle, and then you do the tie rolled ice cream technique. I want one. Where you chip it up using like a paint chipper. My birthday's coming up, May 28th. Yeah, I'll get you an anti-griddle.

Okay, will you? I love that it sparked such a lively debate. We're gonna go old school. We're searching the hashtag opinion casserole over here. And I found one that I like. Okay, say it. This is from at arielvale. As an omnivore, I've had better vegan chili than meat filled chili.

Oh yeah? I think that's fake. Have you, I sent you the Instagram that you never responded to. That's not like me. About the person, I know. Josh, that's not like me. But then I confronted you about it. I'm not like that.

It's okay. We all make mistakes, but it was about the man. I believe it was a Barstool podcast that was reading the story, or had a caller about a man who convinced his cousin who was weirdly obsessed with things being woke or not that adding beans to chili was woke, and then got him to remove beans from his chili,

and then told him that, hey, I was just messing around. But that went into the kind of history of vegetarian chilies being a huge option. And when you're vegetarian, you're woke. And when you're vegetarian, you're woke. That was the joke that he was making on his cousin. But that said, I've also had a lot of great vegan chilies because vegans have had a lot of chance to cook chili,

because it's such a great way to get a lot of beans in your diet, but now with the meat substitutes, putting some impossible meat into a chili. Just soy. That's great, man. Just soy and heme. And I'm a soy boy. Just soy and yeast extract.

I think soy's actually really healthy for you. I love soy. I eat a lot of soy. Yeah, you want your edamame? That's a great time. I love soy. Soy and all you. I love soy. I eat a lot of soy. Edamame is a great time. I love soy. I eat a lot of tofu. I think we've destroyed cows' entire genetic makeup by force-feeding them soy. And chickens! Not meant to be eaten all that, but we did it.

We forsaked our god. I think vegan chili can be really good. I don't like vegan chili. Depends what kind of chili. I like, you know what, you know what, I think somebody needs to do a vegetarian chili cook-off and an only one and maybe that way I can like it more and I can eat it more.

I'm throwing my hat in the ring. I once did on my blog, culinarybrodown.com. Your nose is really red today. Thank you. Are you okay? I got a lot of sun yesterday. On culinarybrodown.com, I did a whole vegan month. You did? Yeah, and I made a like Beyond Meat Impossible.

I think this is even before Beyond came out. It was like I've ground up a bunch of Morning Star burgers and I made a hot dog slop chili and I wanted to prove that you can make vegan food unhealthy. And so I made like a vegan bacon wrapped vegan hot dogs with hot dog slop chili and it was so good Yeah, was there any vegan cheese on there? No. Oh why? Vegan cheese tastes bad. Oh Yeah, hot take. Well, that's my take. Anyways on that note. Thank you so much for stopping by What is our podcast called? A hot dog is a sandwich. It indeed is. We got new episodes coming out every Wednesday, new videos out on Sunday.

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Another lyric, call me so I can make it. You see what I get. Call me so I can make it juicy. Call me so I can make it. It's not about food, that's about ass. What do you mean juicy? Juicy ass. Juicy food.