A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - Fibermaxxing Is The New Proteinmaxxing Is The New Creatinemaxxing Is The New...

Episode Date: August 12, 2026

Fiber? I hardly know her. Today, Josh and Nicole talk all things fiber and fibermaxxing.

Fiber is the new protein. 30 is the new 20. Orange is the new black. Bad Bunny is the new Tago Calderon. Don't you ever disrespect Tegu Calderon like that again. This is a hot dog is a sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what?

That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a sandwich, to the show where we'd take a weird hardline stance on Bad Bunny and Tegocaldiron, Even though no one asked for that feud. No one, they, they're, you know, one is the torch bearer to the next generation.

And I think that's beautiful. I wrote this specifically for you in mind because I know how much you love Tico Calderon. I really do. I listened to a lot of, a lot of reggaeton in like the, you know, late 2000 to early 2010s. I'll go back until, like we've seen in Yandel. Latino 96.3 was my number one radio. You know how these have radio stations programmed? Oh, my God.

You know, 96.3 was my first one. Kiss 102.7 was my second. And then what was K Rock? 106.7. 106. What was 105.9? So that was Power 106. Yeah, 105.9, but they were 106.

I love Power 106. And then 947, the way, yave. I don't want to get sued. 93.5. Five. Was that K-Day? I thought that was classic. Oh, 95.5 or 95.1 was classical.

931 was classic rock and 95.5. Classical music. No, 955 was classic rock. Then what was it? Then K-Day, I think, was 93-5. And that, they brought back 90s hip-hop. K-Day was, like, the big, like, 90s station. Really?

The big hip-hop station in the 90s. They brought it back in the 2010s. And then all of radio died for podcasting. Sorry, radio. Sorry. I still really like the song, Rakata. Oh, my God. Can't sing it.

I don't get me started. I was a regatone feed. Okay. And I think there were these producers called, like, Looney Tunes. Yes, yes. They were like two teens from Dominican Republic? Dude, yeah. Oh, the simplicity of like a Looney Tunes beat.

You know, they'd be like, loony Tum, you know. Dude, we, I, it was incredible. And everything was just, you know. Regatone music is truly a serotonin booster. Yeah, and this all kind of like merges into what we're talking about today. It does not even a little bit. Which is that everything now seems worse and bad and everything in the past seems light and good. It's certainly not.

certainly not that in reality, but today we're going to be talking about looks maxing. That's why I got this fresh haircut. Yeah, guys, everyone please comment how much you love Josh's haircut. He has been looks maxing for the past, what, five, seven years? Yeah, yeah, well, I started bone smashing. Oh, cool. Bone breaking was a style of dance.

I don't know about that. Do you talking about where they would, they would contort their bodies? And it was kind of, that was when we were growing up too, you know, because we grew up. Maybe that was more you thing. Hey, Orange County, big dance hub. Yeah, we were into jerking. We had like Cobb Modern and you were into jerking. Not personally. Yeah, yeah.

But the kids were cold to jerk. Yeah, yeah. Um, no, uh, we're talking about protein maxing and fiber maxing, which is all because of looks maxing. Because people want to be more attractive because being attractive is higher currency than anything else at this current moment, which is very sad. Allegedly, people say that. People say that. I don't know that that's true. No, no, no, dude.

You don't think so? You don't think people care. I don't know. People certainly care. People certainly care. I think the youth cares a lot more. I think they care about the distance from their lips to their nose to their forehead. Yep.

And stuff like that. There's this really interesting phenomenon. I think I'm etymology nerd. Adam talks about. I love. Love etymology nerd. Wonderful. But he talked about this interesting phenomenon where the word chugie, right?

I never use that. No one used the word chugie. Like, the majority of people who used the term Chugi were not Gen Z young, cool people, calling old people Chugi. It was like reporters on the news going like, there's a new word in town. It's Chugy. And it's one of those things where, like, the reporting on it is what makes it a story. And then 6-7, I think, kind of birthed from that. Well, you can't talk about 6-7 when I'm talking about Riz, Josh.

Well, no, but I think Riz for sure. I think I think people have been using the term Riz more. No, no. But, like, 6-7, I think 6-7 was, like, a deliberate trolling attempt. Do you think so? Because 6-7 never had, like, an intrinsic, meaning there was never, like, a real etymological base to it. It was kind of, like, the youth messing with people.

Right? And kind of, like, driving old people insane. Interesting. So, like, do young people actually care about their, what are they, canthal tilts? What is it a canthal tilt? I know the term can't tell you. I couldn't tell you, I have self-esteem. I don't know.

Or is it, like, one guy clavicular? God, I can't believe it was named after the hot dog's the sandwich. The people should know. The people should know. If we're going to talk about fiber maxing and protein maxing, we need to talk about looks maxing. Because that is where maxing with a double X comes in, but... Double X, triple X? Triple X is an awesome Vin Diesel movie from the early 2000s with Ozier Argento.

I never saw it. I'm sorry. The guy, I don't, I'm not going to know this name. He plays a wonderful villain in a lot of stuff. I'm sorry, I never watched Triple X. You know what Chipple X? No. Like Tony Hawk and Matt Hoffman right in it?

Was it, um... A vampire adjacent? No, but it kind of looked. The branding made it look like it was. I always thought it was a vampire. Because, like, Queen of the Damned had come out around that time. No, no, no, Triple X. And, like, Blake kind of had Blade.

Yeah, okay. It was like a Blade color palette. I thought Blade and Triple X were the same movie. Oh, my God. There should have been a Blade Triple X crossover. There's still time. Where Vin Diesel as Zander Cage, they made a Triple X, too, with Ruby Rose and Namar was in it. I think Namar, like.

Namar is in the football player? Yeah, I think he, like, bicycle kick. like a soccer ball bomb out of like a bar in a novella. I don't remember. But Zander Cage, Vin Diesel is an extreme sports athlete who like uses extreme sports skills to sport a terrorist. Triple X is about a sports guy who became a...

Well, the FBI recruited him. So it was kind of like point break except like way more extreme. But same, you know, the idea of like a kind of... The original Keanu Reeves is a surfer who there's bank robbers that are surfers. trying to fund their summer of fun, but then this is the 2000s version of that. The point is the branding on the movie Triple X and the idea of protein maxing, looks maxing. Yes. And now fiber maxing is all the same, which is to say it signifies that it is extreme.

Of course, yes. And so all of, a lot of this came up because I was talking to a wonderful writer at the New Yorker named Hannah Goldstein who wrote a wonderful piece about fiber maxing, go check it out if you have a chance. but she and I were chatting and I was just endlessly fascinated by the world by this idea that like we should be consuming a fair amount of protein, right? Sure, I think we've talked about that enough here. You don't need to eat a gram per pound of body weight, but like, yeah, it's probably good for muscle growth and in the longevity to prevent osteopor or whatever the hell. You know, yeah, get 60, 80 grams of protein, that's pretty good, right?

It's great to consume fiber. 100%. America's chronically underfibered, as our resident fiber dad, nooges. gluten said, and fiber has the highest correlation to, like, negative all-cause mortality, so basically more fiber eat the longer you live. Right. That's a good thing. I'm not debating any of that.

The maxing of it all. The concept of maxing. The concept of maxing anything is bad. As Marian Nestle said, like, never has such an unhealthy society been so obsessed with the idea of health. The idea of maxing is antithetical to any idea of- of health, right? Like the idea, the paradox of all this is that like living a balanced lifestyle in moderation is the only thing that's proven to work, you know, like the blue zones, these people are all just living normal.

None of the Sardinian grandmothers who have active social lives, they weren't like fish maxing, they weren't stare maxing, they weren't social interaction maxing. They were just living in a normal-ass life. Yeah, that's a normal life. The idea of maxing is so antithetical. I think, to any sort of, I don't know, fulfilling life. Yeah, I think for me, I think Americans and just, it has a lot to do with youth culture. I think a lot of the youth is just very sedentary and they're kind of transmitting their new lives on screens. You know what I mean?

So I think them living for something to the highest potential is giving them a reason to continue. Yeah. I don't want to sound crazy, but I think with just everything being. so accessible and everything being online at your fingertips. There's no desire to like push further, you know what I mean, or push past things. You just have to be able to do what's in front of you. And what's in front of you is looking beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And being and getting likes and comments, right? That you are beautiful, that you are attractive, that you're doing everything the way your idols are. Yeah. So it's really, it's really a difficult world to exist in. I would agree with that. And I do agree with you whenever you're talking about doing things to the maximum doesn't make sense. It's not sustainable. But I think that's all they're used to is living in extremes.

You're either like a shut-in and you're on your computer and you're sitting down and you're waking up at noon and whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. Or you're chasing or you're ascending. You're ascending to the highest form of beauty, highest form of symmetry. You know what they care about facial symmetry now? Wait, wait, who's there? Okay, this is the thing I've been trying to practice. No, no, no, I've been trying to practice. I've been, that's my point, though.

The internet. Anytime I say, do you know what they're doing, they're all, the kids are bone smashing. They're bone smashing. I always ask myself, who's they? Do you think it is a large percentage of the population or do you think it's, it's, a, it's a TikTok that you saw. No. Somebody saying that people are doing a thing. Well, whenever kids, I'm going to say people that are 17, 18, 19 years old, are doing micro breaks in their face.

How many? How many of them? There were a lot of kids doing a lot of weird shit when I was a kid. Like, were they, like, what? The kids were doing it. They were forming jackass-based stunt groups, and they were stealing shopping carts, and they were rolling it down the damn freeway.

They were throwing rocks off the overpassed cars. These kids are... They're hitting a Hyundai Allantra. Some people are taking razors and slitting their eyes, so they have hunter eyes. These are things that people are doing for... What do you mean? Some people.

There are videos of kids doing this. There are videos of kids doing this. doing this. Oh, we know the kids piercing their damn ears with the safety pins? Yeah, I do that myself. Still has never been infected. Thanks, Rebecca Cohen. I love you, girl.

If you're listening, I still love you to this day. Literally, she took a pin from her backpack and pierced my ear with hand sanitized. Peach scented hand sanitizer. And it's my only piercing that's never been infected. I think we were during the emo generation, I mean, came out of the punk movement, of course, but like the idea of body modding, right? I knew kids that had the subdermal piercings. You did?

Yeah, dude. Dude, again, we grew up in like... The subdermal, like, things on their collarbones and the ones that had... Whoa, like a star? What? Like a star? How's his little bumps? They had a couple of them.

Some people had them a little horn here, freak the parents out. What are you talking about? Like, sub-dermal... Yeah, man. Orange County is wild. Who signed off on... Wild stuff in Orange County. The band's warped tour was in full swing.

Who signed off on putting subdermals in children's heads? Oh, I don't know, man. I couldn't tell you. But anyways, like, there would have been a... Who's they? Like this is like one kid. Like you knew the weird kid. There was like the weird kid that's like you.

It was like, oh my God. You see what Chris did it? That's crazy. Okay. But you see Chris did that in his high school. Now there's Chris X4-7-2 that's doing it on a broadcast. On a broadcast and it's getting liked and shared a million times.

This kid probably put it up on, Chris probably put it up on Myspace. Okay. But Myspace versus TikTok, the speed at with the speed at which this is traveling is insane. And of course it trickles down to us 30-somethings. I'm like, let's fiber max. That's our big extreme rebellion. Oh, we are at a higher chance for colorectal cancer than ever before. Let's shove cheese seeds in our throat so we don't get cancer.

The kids are doing peptides and psalms and trend and looks maxing. And so our 30-year-old asses are like, we're going to eat chia seeds. Yeah, we're going to eat cheese seeds and we're going to eat a protein per pound, which is not. I started doing that, like, before I got pregnant, and I enjoyed every moment of that. Eating one gram of protein per body weight? Oh, my God. What an incredible hack that was? What do you mean?

It just made me feel better instead of, like, actually, like, being aware of what I was putting in my body, instead of just, like, hoovering it all. No, yeah. I think being a lot more mindful and conscious of what you put in your body. And I think that is probably the actual critical. crux to all this. Mindfulness. To any, not even much, just like kind of paying attention. If you put it in a restriction on yourself and say, I'm only eating beef and salt.

Shouted to Eddie Burbank for doing RFKs. Did he do that? He did it for a month. I think he only lost like four pounds. Beef and salt, that's it? That's what the carnivore diet is. No, there's got to be more stuff than beef and salt. It depends what level of carnivore you are.

He explains it in the video because some of the carnivore guys eventually they're like, and you can eat raw goat yogurt and papaya. And they're like, why papaya? I don't know. There's that one weird guy. But anyways, I think any of those diets work less about what you are consuming and more about what you're not. Right? If you're trying to get a bunch of protein and trying to limit it within a calorie window, you're like probably not going to reach for a Twinkie because it doesn't have protein.

Sure, yes. So that's not the fact that you're eating so much protein, it's that you're not eating the Twinkie. Right. Twinkies are just like bad, right? I think Twinkies are bad. I think they're delicious. But I don't think they're morally bad, but I do think they're bad. I'm saying like it's not a food that is going to make you feel good

other than the oral pleasure. The moment that you put in your mouth. Yeah, yeah. Have you? God, they're like really, have you had, just like a classic Twinkie? It's really, there's something about it, man. Like in a good way or about it? Yeah, there's some, like, chemical.

There's like a pheromone smell to a Twinkie. That when it's in my mouth, it just, it makes me feel high. I feel like a gremlin. That's how I am with their chocolate, like, chocolate host is ho-hose? See, those do nothing for me, but have been a little cheeky. Oh, my God. Well, let me tell you, my mom used to buy ho-hos, and then she would dole them out like it was a sweet little treat.

And then if I was a good girl, I would get a ho-ho. When I was a bad girl, no ho-hohos. Welcome to Deals and Hacks in the Kitchen brought to you by Klarna, where two professional chefs teach you how to eat like it costs a fortune without it costing a fortune. Josh, what are some of your favorite money-saving kitchen hacks? I'm so glad you asked because I've really doubled down on this one lately, but you know how they sell boneless, skinless chicken thighs? Well, they're way more expensive than bone-in skin-on chicken thighs.

And so I'm a man that's got a knife in 20 minutes to kill. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to take the skin and the bones off myself. It's really good practice for your knife skills. And bone-in skin on chicken thighs, I think, are the cheapest meat that you can possibly get. They're inexplicably always on sale, buy one, get one free at my local grocery store. So for me, that's been my biggest money saving hat. Make sure you save the oyster for me.

That's my favorite part of the chicken thigh. It's best for a chicken thigh. And if you get good enough with a boning knife, you figure out how to get that oyster clean out every single time. And boom, bones for soup. Bones for soup. I don't know what to do with the chicken skins. I could just like fry them a little snack. What do you mean?

Get it crispy. Do a little chicken chichot on? I just don't know that I need to be eating fried chicken skins all the time. What do you mean? A little fried chicken skin has a tree on top of like a taco? Yeah, but a chicken taco with a little bit of crispy chicken. Maybe that's like a next year money saving hack. What's yours?

Hey, Josh, can you see what I'm doing over here? I was wondering why you just had a brick of cheese at the podcast. Well, my favorite way to save money is I just buy blocks of cheese. And it's so much cheaper to buy the actual physical blocks. instead of the shredded stuff of the bags. Yeah, of course. And, of course, it tastes a lot better, too, because there's not a bunch of cellulose

and weird gums covering it, which is what you get with the bagged stuff. And you can customize the way you want it shredded. You can do a fine shred. You could do a thick shred. You could do a thick shreds. You could do whatever you want with this box. You ever shred it in a food processor?

Of course. That's my favorite way to shred cheese. Do you have the shredder attachment or do you just rip it? It makes the long shreds. No, I do it the long way. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

That's my favorite way. And it's such a good money-saving hack. You can get like massive, massive blocks, and you can shred them yourself, and you can freeze it, put it in little baggies and save it for later. It's my favorite thing to do. Can I let you in on a little secret about my household? I don't see why not. We have pre-bag cheese. You're a pre-bag cheese guy.

I will tell you what it is. If I was cooking for myself, I would only have blocks of cheese. But even then, I'm not really a block of cheese guy. Julia, though, my wife, she loves the convenience of a bag of cheese. We splurge a little bit. We get the nice cheese. The farm style shreds, the biggins. Oh, the thickums.

The thickums. And that changed the game on shredded cheese. But if I had it my way, I would be shredding my own bricks of cheese, especially like a moths. I think I'm most likely to use a brick of cheese if I'm doing some sort of like baked pasta or eggplant parm. Sure, yeah. You know, and then that moths when that's fresh shredded on top. Oh, my God. That makes all the difference.

Yeah, I like the way it like spreads and melts more. Yeah, I think you get more coverage. You use less cheese. But what my wife does during her lunch break, that's between her and God. You know where I like to splurge a little bit, though? I like to get a nice loaf of bread from the farmer's market. It doesn't matter how expensive it is. If it's nothing about, if it's like $10 and lower, I'll always get it because a good loaf of bread it's worth it.

I fully agree. It's spending money on bread. You know where I'm also doing it, though? Eggs. Oh, eggs. The things that like mean a lot to you. Sure. You know the things that you're eating every single day?

That's the thing. Money is all, it's all relative, right, in terms of value. What brings happiness and joy to your life? Bread brings me joy. Bread is about the happiest. You ever see like a mouse that's like scurrying away with like a large piece of cheese? I haven't seen a mouse in a long time. No?

Oh man, you should see the happiness that they have. That's about as happy as I get to. It's just a big old $12 loaf of bread from the farmer's market. Right. I support that entirely Nicole. Right, right. Klorna is your smarter everyday money partner.

It's basically the money version of a great kitchen hack. Simple, fair. And it does the work so you don't have to because ultimately the best hacks. Well, Nicole, those are the ones that take zero effort. With Klarna, it's your money on your side. That's Klarna, K-L-A-R-N-A. And I would like to eat cheese. I'll shave you some.

I'll shave you some more. Say when? Atta-T-T-T-T-T-T. California resident loans made her arranged pursuant to a California finance law license at NM-LS, number 135-3-1-N-N-N-N-E-LAN-Balance account required to be eligible for cash-back points, limitations, terms, and conditions supply. Have you started implementing a little bit more fiber-intest? your diet since people have been talking about fiber maxing?

No, it's really interesting. Really? It's really interesting because... But aren't you someone who... I think you're someone who acknowledges trends in food. Yes. And I think you like to sample them here and there to see if it adds to your life. 100%.

No, I've been eating a pretty similar diet for the last, like, maybe 7, 8 years. And it is generally based on one gram of protein per pound of body weight. That's because I've been like, I've been lifting heavier recently and I've been gaining weight because I quit vaping. But I've been like, big deal. Yeah, yeah, no, no, that feels good. But also like, yeah, the nicotine is an appetite suppressant really. It works. Appetite suppressant and oral fixation suppressant.

Oh, it works. Really, really helps. And so I started gaining weight and I'm like, well, my belief is in the gym, if you are gaining weight, don't try and lose it, honey, use it. Don't lose the weight. You're big. Mass moves mass. Mass moves mass. If you're bigger, you can bench bigger.

And so I'm like, cool, let's start reping 225 on incline now. And so I've been like, the more protein I eat, I've always balanced it with fiber. Already. Yeah. So for me, it's so funny because all this like protein maxing, fiber maxing, like you said, a lot of the kids, they're into these very extremes that for me, I got a lot of that extreme messaging like in the gym from a young age, right, including like weird politically extreme messaging. I tried to explain to somebody how every gym is libertarian, and they didn't understand,

but I stand by that. They're either libertarian or super, super far left, Black Block, Antifa. Those are the two kinds of gyms that exist. Really? Yeah, yeah. Every CrossFit gym is libertarian. Oh. I haven't like... There's like three that are, if they have the pride flag, the one for progress, the new one. The one with the circle somewhere? Yeah, then they're not libertarian. Oh, okay. But this is a fact. I just go to Pilate Studios on Class Passes. I'm like bar studios, and I don't even know what their affiliation is. Center left. Oh, yeah.

Center left leaning towards Trader Joe's Republican. All I know is that the color palette is really neutral. Really, there's not a single, like, fuchsia, anything anywhere. Yeah. That's very funny. Yeah, they're all earth tones. But no, my general point was that, like, I understand going to extremes in terms of, like, a diet and stuff. But for me, I used to have the excuse of, like, well, I was.

training for sports. Yeah. You know, and then now I have no excuse for that. I just train to an extreme level because I, I don't know, I'm mentally ill. And I need to, like, calm the negative thoughts down. I also think, you know, you're on the internet a lot and you're front-facing talent. So I'm sure that has an effect on you whether you want to admit it or not. Yeah, yeah.

I think the fact that you are very, you've always been athletic. It's always been a part of, no. You too, man. It's not true. That's not true at all But you've always been athletic So it's just part of who you are And also you work out a lot

You work out like two hours, three hours a day It's where I research on my last meal's guest too And I listen to all my new hardcore music Oh my God, that's great I'm listening to a lot of Weapon X They did a crossover album with World of Pleasure Called Weapon of Pleasure A song called Domination 3

It's incredible Better than Domination 1 and 2 Can we talk about looks maxing real quick? What do you want to talk about? We had looks maxers We had in-cell looks maxers We had in-cell looks. We, us, when we were in our young 20s,

we had young in-cell looks maxers, and I know we had them because the main one killed several people and then died in the driveway of my old college apartment. What are you talking about? Do we not know this? Oh, my gosh. Elliot Roger, UC Santa Barbara. The Isla Vista murders.

The Isla Vista murders. We're going to talk about this. Oh, no, this is a matter of history. No, Elliot Roger, he was a one-on-on-a-old. a killing spree, and he, like, was part of that community. In-cell looks maxing culture. He had all these vlog manifestos of him, being like, I'm so beautiful. Who wouldn't date me?

Sending in, like, a BMW drinking Starbucks. It was really weird. I never saw those. I only saw clips. I went down the Rabbit Bowl because I would have been on Isla Vista during that shooting spree had I not transferred schools about a month before. Like, he literally crashed into my roommates, uh, garage, but the driveway.

And my buddy took the photo that ended up on the cover of the New York Times. Like really, really scary times that really, you know, affected me and people I love. Of course. But that's why, like, I don't know, all of this mentality from the looks maxing, that bleeds into the protein maxing, that trickles down into the fiber maxing, it's just like the only solution is like to smash your phone with a hammer and then don't smash your bones with a hammer. I agree. Go outside.

Go outside. Touch grass. Listen to this while you touch cross. grass. You know? No, I totally agree. Join a dodge ball league, Logan. Yeah, join a dodge ball league.

Join a dodge ball league, you know? Not to be... It's back from the early 2000s. I mean, not to be preachy and stuff, because honestly, as someone who loves to scroll, I was, not forced, but I was cajoled into being part of a book club. My mental health has skyrocketed. It has been so much better for me to not be on my freaking phone all the time and not be inundated. Because I was getting, funny enough, I actually got a lot of fiber stuff on my phone.

Really? And it was like, really like graphic language. Oh, they're all talking about like, you need to blow shit out your asshole. Like, it's stuff like that. That stuff. And I'm like, I'm like, why? Why am I listening? Blowout dinners is a series.

And listen, it's beautifully shot. I understand the premise of it. It's so people can start incorporating fiber into their diets and all that stuff and soluble, insoluble, whatever. But I was like, why is such graphic, like, intense colored visuals and this intense vocabulary, like, on my screen right now? Why is Mr. Beast chucking Lamborghinis into volcanic pits? I don't need this. It's because just the natural escalation.

It's an escalation. You need to compete for attention. And it's insane. So even now, like, the idea. Internal showers and stuff like that or whatever is called. Like, it's just this weird language of extremity. and it just, whenever you just put your phone down and just like breathe in and out

and you go and you do something to better yourself, it is incredible the transition your brain and body goes through. I love fiber. Like it's like, it's like, legitimately, the foods that have the most fiber. No, I'm not. No, you don't max anything. But you were a protein maxer.

But you were a protein maxer. I was a competitive athlete and a heavy lifter six days a week And I still have you, like, lift heavy as a hobby, right? And that's something that I enjoy. But it's not a protein, but we didn't use the term protein maxer. It was, you know, just like the studies indicated that this is what to do to maximize muscle growth under intense duress, right? That's the thing.

It's like, you know, Julia, now the fact that she's inundated with you need to have a gram of protein per pound of body weight, which doesn't even make sense because it's 0.721 grams per pound. of lean body tissue because your fat and bones don't need protein like that. Sure. It's just muscle too. But anyways, doing Pilates two, three times a week, you probably don't need that. You have different dietary needs. Of course.

You know what I mean? No, I agree. Really getting under a squat bar. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just start squat. Mostly single-leg stuff. But my back's been feeling healthier than ever. Hey, that's massive.

I gave a kid Olympic lifting tips in the gym. A kid? A kid? Yeah, yeah. 17-year-old. That's nice. Yeah, I taught him how to take the slack out. the bar. So I saw

they were like, you know, they're kind of like gripping and rip it. I was like, it's a great instinct. They're great at the catch point. So I was like, here's how you really engage those lots from the first, from the first phase. So you never were like one of those people that was like, I need to eat protein all of the time and I need to be my entire, because I'm going to disagree with

you. Please. Like when I was like seeing you and you're like progression into like becoming more of like a personality. Yeah, no, no. No, I had that moment. I noticed. I noticed that Like the way that you eat and how you eat changed a little bit. Yeah.

And I thought you were like almost carbphobic. No, I was. Like you were allergic to carbohydrates. I went through a period here where I was like really had an unhealthy relationship with food because I had an unhealthy relationship with my sense of self. And especially how myself was being consumed. Sure. Yeah. 100% they were also related.

Yeah, I was also during the time when I was also very carbphobic because my doctor told me that I shouldn't eat carbs anymore. Yeah, that was crazy. But also your doctor was telling you like... But also worked. Yeah, starving yourself works. I didn't starve myself. No, I ate a lot. To be fair, I ate a lot.

But I just wasn't... You also told you that like don't eat almonds because they're bad for you. No, she said an almond is equal to a workout class. God! Can I say... No, you've been saying something. But I will say that. I felt like your entire life was protein.

It was gym tan laundry. But it was protein. It was a... protein workout hair. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. That was like your whole thing. Was that pre-Julia, post-Julia, mid-Julia? When did you and Julia get engaged?

The, I engaged with like 20-21. But there was like a specific six-month period where I was like single where I was like, I was doing two-a-day workouts. I wasn't eating like any. We weren't that close to friends at that point. You were just co-workers at that point. Whenever you and Julia linked up, I think maybe a year afterwards, you were like, it was almost like you were like, I need.

to get into high gear and I'm like, babes, you're in high gear 24-7. What are you doing? A lot of it was my response to COVID too. I got down to... Did I really skinny during COVID? I got to 187 pounds. I'm probably like 220 now.

I hadn't been 187 pounds since I was like 10 years old. Like legitimately, but for me it was my... That like orthorexia, that extreme control was my rebelling against a chaotic world, which I think so much ties into this. The thing I was going to say earlier is like... Yeah. No, no, no. Being on camera, terrible, terrible for your self-esteem, right? Do you feel that way? As someone with, honestly, my whole life, I've had really high self-esteem. Yeah.

From, like, my parents always telling me that, like, know your self-worth. Sure. My brother and sister always, like, shoving that in my brain, like, you're doing good. You're a good person, whatever, whatever. I think it does damage you a little bit because you're vulnerable and open to everyone. and literally the masses can say whatever they want about you. And a lot of the times it can be about your looks or how you appear. And especially as a woman, it can be really hard. But also I just tell myself like, hey, at least they're watching.

Sure. Sure. You know what I mean? But in terms of like if I were to do a large-scale study and argue whether or not being on camera and sharing your image with potentially millions of strangers is good or bad for self-esteem, I think it would be bad. I think it would net out as bad. But what else are we supposed to do?

Well, no, for us, this is, no, for real. Like, this is what I believe. Like, this is a life we've chosen. And I'm glad I think we've got to... It's been seven years and I've been enjoying every second of it. Same, same, same. Not every second, but I've been enjoying a lot of seconds. I mean, when I look at it, I've been enjoying it.

I've been enjoying the whole sexuality of it. And I'm very grateful for it. And I love that we get to spread, I don't know, things that I think are important and things are fascinating. Like this. But the fact that now everyone is expected to create, Everyone's expected to create content. That's crazy. If you're like in high school, people are telling you to like work on your personal, let's clarify

terms, if you are a high schooler right now, college admissions counselors are likely to tell you that you should have a personal brand and you should manicure your social media because college admissions people are going to look at it. That's crazy. And that's aside from the social element. That's another thing to add to your brain whenever you're already a teen going into college. I know. When I would, back when I was scrolling on social media, because I really deleted it all from my phone.

Good for you. But I would get like a random clip. I would get a random clip of like a 12-year-old playing basketball and you would make a shot and you would celebrate. Random 12-year-old uploading his own basketball game. And there would be randomly, it would have 10 million views and there would be tens of thousands of comments. People being like, if you celebrated like that, you'd be kicked off my team, you'd be a little piece of shit. And then just like tons of... Imagine being 12, sharing a clip. We had social media, right?

Not when we were 12, but like 1415, MySpace. And you upload, hey, I had a basketball game. I won. Tell my friends on MySpace, nobody else could have seen it. Just let me do your friend group. And now you're rocketed just millions of abusive strangers. Abusive strangers. And then that combining into, you know, pressure on what your actual looks are.

And then perfection is. in terms of diet and exercise. It's wild. It's really hard. I know. I weep for the children. Just as our parents weeped for us because we're rolling down hills and shopping carts and getting gauges and snake bites. I never did that.

Well, I did threaten my mom. I was going to get an eyebrow piercing and she said if I do that, I wouldn't be your daughter anymore. But she wasn't being serious. She was just bluffing. All in all, I think the concept of maxing anything is bad. Yeah. I think blank maxing anything is bad. is bad. How about you just, I'm eating more fiber now?

Yeah, it's funny that like the opposite side of the spectrum of fiber maxing is like, eat some veggies, chant. Mega bowl of beans. And I like that. You know what I mean? It's the same, it can look the same in terms of what you're actually consuming. But the way you call one fiber maxing and one, I ate a cheeky little bowl of beans today. You know, I think they really signify.

different attitudes, and I think it's important. I think some frihole. I made frioles barachos the other day. And did you tell yourself, I'm fiber maxing. No, man. And I didn't do it for the fiber. I did because you love beans. I love him.

Beans, man. I know. It's just we're living in a world of extremes. And it's exhausting as we're doing it as what? 34? Yeah, 34. What are you? I think I'm 33.

I'm 33. You forget how old you are. Once you're 30, you don't care. Yeah, 30 you remember, 31 you kind of remember, and then from there, it's so hazy. It's all the blur. But no, I do weep for the children, and I think they're going to have a tough time. But you know what? You know, if you have some celium husk, it won't be so hard.

It really won't be hard. It'll be soft. Wait, can I tell you what? I had one more, I had one more thought. Of course. I love your thoughts. I thought about, I thought about hope for the future and the kids and all that. I'm talking about my single period, right?

Oh, yeah. Why? Now, wild and that. Wild enough. That should tell me about his escapades. Not like in detail. No, no, no. He would just make, I went out with a girl.

I went out with a girl once. Sue me. Three, four, five, six times. It was always really interesting stories. I do really appreciate that time. But Tinder scared the hell out of me for a very specific reason. I couldn't tell, and this would have been 2018, 2019, 2019 Tinder. I couldn't tell who was real and who was fake.

Because Tinder was loosey-goosey, so it would be like, someone would be like, you know, wearing a ski mask. It's going to be like, want to be anonymous, but here's me. And I was like, oh, crazy. I couldn't tell what was a bot, what was somebody who was trying to catfish you, if somebody was going to rob you? And I was just like, no, man. And then you would go on Bumble or Hinge and they were, you know, more reliable. But anyways, that general fear of I can't tell who's real and what's real. I'm going to just back away from this because it sucks.

I really hope that happens in social media as more AI content starts flooding it. Because I'm already less impressed with certain – I was watching a skateboarding video, and I was just like, dude, the hands are messed up. The guy that's just an AI video of a guy doing a trick that doesn't exist. I'm going to tell you something. In the next four months, it is not going to be discernible what is AI and what is it. Which is why I'm hoping that it devalues everything. I'm fine with it devaluing.

real content. Right? Because all of these things that are like problems and they are, right, with like AI and disinformation, all of it just relies on the fact that you're staring at a little screen

for like hours a day. If you just... Put it down. Tyler Creator, man, what do you mean cyberbullying? Turn your phone off. I believe it now. I'm here.

Smash your phone with a hammer. Stop watching this video. Go outside. Stop smashing your zygomatic bone. Smash this. Smash a bowl of beans. Also smash this. beans and smash that subscribe button while you're at it.

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Whether it's wack-headed, rat, another than the universe now. We call it. Say, there's a thing. I go, opinion, they're like a casserole. Please do that again, but do it better. All right, Nicole, I've heard what you and I have to say. Now, it's time, final. What are the wacky opinions are rattling out there.

We're going to see. I bet you guys are old... Rush to it, huh? Yeah. Are you rushing? I'm dragging. I'm dragging. J.K. Simmons, yellow M.N.M.

Yeah, you didn't know that? No, what if I told you? Do you have to do research on that? Yeah, I did not know that J.K. Simmons was the voice of the yellow M&M until I did my tremendously in-depth research for last meals. And then found that he was. And then we got him to say, oh, are you a rush. Or are you drag on? That's the yellow M&M.

You really have to watch Oz. You really have to watch Oz. I know. I've only seen the clips. Oh, the clips don't do it justice. It's a beautiful anthology and it's disgusting and sad and gritty. I love it. It kicked off a prestige TV.

Yes, it did. Yes, it did. And that's why I watched it. I've never seen season one of The Wire. I need to watch the Wire. That's what I have to do. I want to finish the Westies. I don't know what that is.

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Go. Eventually, esteemed guest. Go, birds. No, esteemed guest, just us. Logan's here. This is more just something that followed throughout my life, interestingly. So when I was really little, like six, seven years old,

I used to just dump table salt in my palm and lick it. Like what? It's a dump table salt in his palm. And a few years later, I realized you could do the same with like spice blend, like Cajun seasoning or lemon pepper or even that like, you know, Greek, suvlock-y kind of season. I would do that as a little delight. Dude, seasoning, maxing. And I never told anyone, I was super embarrassed by that.

Aw, sweet. I almost feel like I was like sneaking drugs before I knew of drugs. No. And then I saw Michael Bauer right about doing that in the San Francisco Chronicle. The crazy Michael Bauer poll in the year of Arloid 2026. I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is.

Is anyone else out there do that? And it's not for health reasons, like caloric restrict or anything. Just, again, pure delight. Looking table salts or table season. And your thoughts. Thanks, guys. That's funny. Okay, so I don't know if I've ever said this on the podcast.

When I was younger, I had an next-door neighbor named Usha who after, I mean, before every day in school, she would give me a spoonful of ghee because she said it was good for my brain. And I'm like, oh, cool, awesome. And I really wanted to be a smart kid. I'm like, I want to be a smart kid. I want to be the best student. I want to impress my. Stop laughing, Logan. That's very funny, though.

What? She wanted me to be smart She'd be like, you, it's good for your... How often were you getting smoothles of butter? Like, twice a week. Okay. Twice a week. Like, because her son would go to school and then I would also go to school too

and then she would, we would both line up and she'd like, boop, boop and we're like, okay. That's like a thing, like your brain, right? Your brain disproportionately runs on fat. I don't know. I don't know. But she would basically spoofing me ghee. And she would get like really, really special ghee from like India or something. Like she would like, it was like from like Indian cows that were blessed.

I don't know. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to be so smart. If I just have a spoonful of ghee. And then I didn't have any ghee in my house. I had olive oil. So one time I think I had about 14 tablespoons of olive oil in a day. And I threw up all over my parents.

Leather couch. It's a greasy throwout too. I threw up all over their leather couch. And then I'm like, and I told my parents what I did and why I did it. And they're like, please don't. ever do that again. You don't need to do that to be smart. And I'm like, okay, I'm sorry. Yeah. I remember once being at like a Denny's, and I don't know if I couldn't afford food, but I just remember eating all the free saltines. Getting up and leaving afterwards?

Well, yeah, yeah, but also I was a child, but I remember thinking that the saltines, I was like, the salt is the best part of this, and there was table salt there. And I said, if a little bit of salt is good. I bet a lot of bit of salt is awesome. And I, I, like, mounted probably a full teaspoon of salt on a saltine cracker, and I ate it. And I remember, like, the rush of intense salt pain, you know? So I think that may have prevented me from just licking table salt off my hands, but I see the instinct. I think, though, I would be less in it for the seasoning and more in it for the vessel. I think the vessel in the seasoning, even if it is something like that, I think. What a cucumber, Logan Moffitt.

You know? Logan Moffat, cucumber guy. Oh, okay. You know? I think you also might have a sodium deficiency. That could be it. Well, I don't know, but everyone enjoys soda. Everyone enjoys a nice little seasoning blend, right?

Look a little Tony Sashry's off you in? A little lichonis. Like, remember, like, all the Mexican candies, it would just be like a little stick. I love Mexican candy. You dip it in the, like, Lucas. Lucas powder. You know what I mean? That's the same thing.

You're just eating nuclear power. But he's sour. talking about, you know, suvla-s eating suvlaki seasoning. You think that's sour? That's almost the same thing as... Tamarindo? As like tamarindo powder.

You know what I mean? Get out of you. I think he's just sort of found his own version of it. When you were having... Well, Mrs. Dash. When you were... A tablespoon of salt was your brother ripping half and half shots? Yeah, he was.

Me and your brother need to talk about our love of half and half shots. Yeah. Have you ever talked to him about it? No, but I will. Should I message him? I'll text me. I'll text him, text him, text him. He used to do that.

I'll text him right now. I hope you still do it, but also, like, maybe dip a cucumber. You don't have to. Some, like, plain popcorn. There was the people were doing the ice. They were seasoning ice and eating it. That was very ED-coded. That was very, very odd.

Disordered eating disorder, not erectile dysfunction. That would also be really bad. Yeah, yeah, for that. Imagine if eating ice with seasoning health your ED? Well, putting your... Never mind. Shut up! Shut up!

Shut up, Josh! It has to be cold. Shut up, Josh. What has to be cold? To, for, um... What? For fertility. Oh.

You have to keep them cold. Oh, yeah, you can't go in a hot tub. Yeah. Men can't go in. You got to dip him. You got to dip him in ice water. Dip him. Just dip him in a dairy clean blizzard.

Things? Fertility maxing. We'll talk about that next. Fert maxing out here? Fert maxing out here? Fert maxing. I'm dipping my bean bags in a blizzard. I was furt maxing.

It worked. It worked. It worked. I heard you like to. rip open. You can play the next one. She's texting my brother. Half and Half shots.

Hey, Nicole, Josh, potential guest and especially the crew. This is Nick from Litchburg, Virginia. And I'll call in to see y'all's opinions about cutting boards. Oh. Nicole, I think there was an episode in Mythical Kitchen where you said that you don't use wooden cutting boards because you said that they're unsanitary. I use the wooden cutting boards. University of Wisconsin did a study where they, I believe,

with E. coli. They used E. coli on wooden and plastic cutting boards. Cleaned them with soap and water and then found that there was still bacteria on the plastic board, but not the wooden ones, because the wood had absorbed and killed the bacteria. So just wanted to get y'all's opinion about that. And Nicole, especially, does this change your mind at all? Love everything you guys do. Well, let me tell you, Nick, I say stuff, and then I forget, I say it. And I do stuff, and I forget I do it. But I will say this. I've been using wood cutting boards for about 15 years. So use that information, as you will.

It's crazy. Here's the thing. Sometimes you just say stuff, you know what I mean? It's not good for our credibility. I wonder what possessed me to say that. Yeah, that happens. What possessed me to say that? I don't know.

Like what? I'm using glass? Who uses a glass cutting board? Not like plastic. It's nice, no. Microplastic maxing. Plast maxing. Oh, my, come on.

I use, I go back and forth. I go back and forth. I have wooded cutting boards that I like. I have big ass plastic one that's kind of just like less unwieldy and easier to clean. I think the biggest thing is like any cutting board that you like clean well, right? Like that's kind of the key here. I know like really good restaurants that use just like big ass butcher blocks. And I know really good restaurants that use the color coded plastic cutting boards.

You know, like there's a, there's multiple. is just skin a cat. You know, whatever cutting board feels good to you. That's what I believe. My big pet peeve is cutting boards

slip and slide around because I think those are so dangerous. Oh my God, Josh hates that. He literally, whenever you have a cooking segment, he lifts up the cutting board to make sure that there is a little paper towel

on the bottom. Cutting boards here, I go, and I make sure it's not slipping. Yeah, and honestly, that's when you're chopping, like, that's the thing,

like you're chopping and the cutting board slips and your fingers are changing positions. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, Yeah, that's the thing with, like, I think that's my biggest fear with cutting board. I feel pretty comfortable about my attitudes towards cross-contamination. You know, I've never given me or anybody I love foodborne illness. I have knock on what, you know, and I'm...

Knock on what, knock on what. You know, I don't play it at fast and loose, but, you know, faster and looser than some, I think. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but, like, I don't know, man, I used to smoke cigarettes, and I, you know, performed dangerous athletic maneuvers. Like, I, you know, Olympic lifting's not safe. I enjoy doing it. I like holding heavy things above my head. I like mango flavor nicotine.

Sue me. Sometimes I don't. Please don't start smoking again or vaping. No, I just can't stop thinking about it. It's bad for you, but I'm saying sometimes people do things that are bad for them. Hi, I'm Nixie, and I need Nicole to get really specific, like right now, about how you made the Bulldog chicken panger. I have never in my life needed to consume something so immediately. I got you.

I'm literally begging you. Okay, love you. I love you. Begging, begging you. That was really good. Honestly, your voice has improved. Yeah, I think I've been taking lessons. No, you haven't.

You've just been singing around. Good. Okay, yeah. So I took chicken tenders, and then I marinated them in a little bit of buttermilk. and then I put the bouldocks spicy seasoning and the seasoning like not to season the sauce and I put that in the buttermilk and then I combined flour and crushed up ramen. I did not cook the ramen and I let that sit in the batter for a long time like maybe like an hour or two. Okay. And then I lifted it up and I fried it at like 375 until it was beautifully crisp. And then I took sesame seeds for a kake some stuff like that and then the seasoning packet and then I just. put it all over. And that's it. It's really, really easy.

You got this. Make it and send me a picture. I'm looking up the video. The Bulldog Ramen. Yeah, yeah, that looks good, man. Thanks, man. You didn't even see it. You're looking at an ad.

You're a liar. I saw it in the thumbnail. Why did you lie to me? I saw it in the thumbnail. But you lied. I don't know, but you didn't see it in action. And you saw it. I'm looking at it.

You've got to be a better liar if you're going to be a liar. All right. Oh, it's warped. It's warp time. I just warp. I just warp. On that, no, thank you so much for stopping by our heart darker is discerned, which We got new episodes for you every Wednesday

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The Jacket Potato guy? I don't think so. Is it a jacket potato and is he going to put things in there, like baines and tuna? This has like 200 million views, dude. This is crazy. What's going on? Is he going to put food on the, is he going to put? Is that Patrick?

Is that my guy, Patrick Zana? Yeah, he's going to put food on the chips. You put food on the damn chip. See you guys. Bye. Bye.