A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - Is Eating Dinner At 9pm Criminal?

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

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Yeah, I put ice in my cereal. So what? That makes no sense. Hot Dog is a sandwich. A Hot Dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich, the show we break down the world's biggest food debates. I'm your host, Josh Ayer. And I'm your host, Nicole Inayati.

And today we are talking about the moment that Japanese Peruvian cuisine is having in the greater Los Angeles area. Shout out to Matsuhisa. It actually really is blowing up. It's called Nikkei cuisine. They say Peru is the origin of fusion food. You go to the Chinese arena, it's called Chifa cuisine, and then Nikkei cuisine is Peruvian Japanese. That's not what we're talking about at all though.

I mean, should we just talk about that? It's really fascinating. We'll do another episode, but today we are talking about what is the best time to eat dinner, which is- This is so funny. It's funny because we brought it up in conversation where like this is dumb, and then it spurred all these arguments,

and you realize there are so many cultural differences, so many generational differences across... If you are in a relationship with somebody who does not eat dinner at the same time as you, that's like an actual roadblock to overcome. And you live together? Ugh! Ew! That's more disgusting than a 530 Rezzah.

But I will say, let's just start off. Me and you, we're both, we're similar. We're what, 31, 32? Yeah, the same person basically. No, no. Both love bodybuilding, both start our day with creatine and pre-workout. Show them the vascularity, Nicole. I have no, can I tell you something? My veins are so hard to find, literally. My doctors, like, they take my blood, like, six times, because my veins are really hard to find.

And it's always been that way. I was more vascular when I was doing CrossFit. Now I'm just floating through time, you know? What was I talking about before you made me flex? You and I are the same people. You're 31, I'm 32. Yeah, yeah, like, we both love food. I mean, we're very similar, you and I. And I feel like you and I have similar eating habits, kind of, at this point,

because we have kind of melded into similar people. So, tell me if I'm wrong. What's your average, like, what time do you eat dinner typically? Like Monday through Friday? I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to make you guess. No, I don't want to guess. I want you to guess. you guess I want you to guess I'll guess what time you eat dinner I say you try and hit seven o'clock on the dot But you're generally between like 645 and like 720 depending on prep It's you know what part of it actually is it's you talking about your own anxieties about making dinner

You're like, oh my god took so long so long to make dinner. And I didn't. When you get home, and I know what time you leave work, and I know how long it takes you to cook. Josh, that is literally so on the nose. It is ridiculous. How did you do that? We've spent so much time. We've been doing this podcast for five years.

That's like a lot of time to really get to know someone. We don't hang out outside of it. That's not true, she came over for dinner on Saturday. And I made something weird and I was pretty ashamed about it. It was so weird. I know, I experiment. I did not eat the topping on your casserole. I saw that.

I did see you leave that. I've been trying to make Kugel topped stews, which is something my grandma would make. I'm trying to make it like good and cool. So Kugel in this application is basically like a lat can make sure it's potato anyways. It wasn't great Okay, but yes, you got it right six forty five to seven fifteen depending on what time David gets home. Yeah, that's what I figured What time do you think? What time I am now also a wife. What time do you think that I eat dinner me and Julia eight forty five? You're not far. You're not far.

8.30. We almost never eat dinner before 8pm. Why? So a lot of this comes down to, and this is dinner times around the world, it comes down to general lifestyle. Yeah, but that's so weird because David and I, Persians, love to eat dinner at like 10 o'clock. Oh, interesting. Like, yeah, like across the board, especially for like Shabbat. Like Shabbat dinner doesn't start typically till like 9.30, 10 depending on how large it is and how many people you invited.

So a lot of it for us is simply like Julia likes to work out after work. And like I don't get a lot of, I wake up at 5.30, 5.45 in the morning. I'm at the gym for like two hours before work. A lot of it's rehab work. I'm not lifting for two hours. Trying to stretch out my hips, my psoas muscles. I look all creepy. I look like I'm just humping a wall,

but I'm actually basically doing Kegels in the gym for an hour. Me humping the wall. But anyway, so I eat like five meals throughout the day. So for me, like breakfast, lunch, dinner isn't a thing. So me and you do not have similar eating structures then then? No and so I eat, I wake up I eat a protein bar at like 545. A bar? A bar, just a bar, 20 grams protein and then I come into work pre-workout yeah. Oh okay okay. So this is throwing everything a

little bit for us and then and then at 9 a.m. I roll into work I make a protein shake generally drink it at 915. And then I'll have.m. I roll into work, I make a protein shake, generally drink it at 9.15. Blueberries. And then I'll have first lunch at like noon, second lunch at three, and then dinners at eight. Wow. And so that's what my meal structure is. Julia on the other hand, right, so we're trying to syncopate all this.

She eats nothing like a bird, so she like wakes up, starts working, and then she nibbles on cheese. And then by the time, you know, five-thirty comes around, she's generally going to a workout class or like doing something, she hasbles on cheese. And then by the time, you know, 5.30 comes around, she's generally going to a workout class or like doing something. She has an active life. Love it. And so she'll come home from that workout class at 7.45

and I have dinner on the table at like 8.15. Wow. And that's just how we eat. It's become very natural for us. We'll eat a bowl of a little dessert, sometimes fruit with cream, right? Cause we're just 30 years old now. So we live a very boring life.

Yes, so boring. So fruit with cream is what we look forward to. And then at like 9.30, then we're in bed by 10.30 and we hit the sack by 11. Wow, really? Is that early or late? I don't know what your lifestyle is. What do I do?

So I wake up at seven, I make myself a coffee with collagen peptides, I love collagen peptides. And then I come to work and I make myself two to three eggs. Uh-huh. Every morning. What time? Nine fifteen.

So you're starting breakfast, you call that breakfast? Nine fifteen. Yeah, nine fifteen. My coffee doesn't count, my coffee is just like a... It's no calories in coffee, doesn't count as breakfast. It doesn't count, it doesn't count. And then I come to work and then typically there's lunch at work, so I eat work lunch.

And then I like have like maybe a handful of nuts here, maybe a little beef stick here. Maybe a little beef stick But what time is work lunch? Do you care? No, I don't care. It's whatever this is gonna come into play You can a discussion later to to from okay to to okay. Okay, okay to to yeah Okay, you're not okay. I'm eating like five meals I had to call it lunch one lunch, too And then the smart thing about me is I like to make myself little menus as you know Monday through Friday I'm very extensive and I get very detailed as as detailed as I can without losing my mind,

like being very hyper focused on it. So we get stuff little menus and I'm like, okay, whenever I get home, I'll do this and the other. And then I, David's schedule is different right now because he's in school, but typically he comes home like from work at like, he leaves work at like 530, takes him about 45 minutes. I feel like we're, I feel like this conversation is just like a lifestyle conversation. Yeah, and then I'm doing laundry,

and so I fold the shirts with the sleeves tucked in first, and I know what you're saying, if you've worked in retail. So funny. And then, well, David gets home at like 6.30, and like I'm already like going in the kitchen, doing a lot of things, and then we eat at like 645 7 while he watches a football game probably. Oh, yeah, they have been putting this is a real thing Um, this is not necessarily gendered. However, if you're going by statistics, there are a lot more Men who tend to watch football than women and so there are a lot of spouses and partners

Who have noticed that their partners are seem to be watching football on more days. It's true, it's happening. I don't know if you've thought about that. Oh yeah. They're putting football on more days. Well also we have what's that thing called a red zone. We have red zone. So he's watching seven games at once. Oh yeah, sports all the time. But now the NFL they're trying to put games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. They've had Thursday night football for a while. It's happening and I kind of don't know how I feel about it. I feel like I need to not watch this much football

because I will watch whatever's on. Yes, yes, yes. So that's happening. This is all to say that whatever time you're eating dinner is meant to suit your lifestyle. Yeah, and that suits us for now. I think it makes sense for us, yeah. And so if you're looking at dinner times around the world,

it tends to suit people's lifestyles. So there are some fascinating things that we can glean from dinner times around the world. Like if I said Spain, what time do they eat dinner? What time do you normally think? I think 9.45. Right, that's like a thing that we know. It's not every Spanish person is eating at 9.45,

but Spain tends to eat later. Do you have a guess why? Does it have to do with siestas? These MFers are taking two hour naps in the middle of the day. I want to do that. If I was taking a two hour nap in the middle of the day. I know. Life would be so, you know how much better our skin would look if we just napped for two hours? You know how carefree we would be as people? Bro, I am napping every weekend day.

Do you nap during the weekends? On Saturday I nap. I'm so happy for you? On Saturday I nap. I'm so happy for you. On Sunday I nap. Is this new? Tough with football. Is this new though?

Yeah, well it's gotten more, every time I would experiment with the lifestyle of napping. Yeah, you love experimenting with it. Yeah, but then now it's like, it's a necessity and I love it. I catch up, it's beautiful. I'm so happy that you nap now. 100% and then I push dinner back probably on those days

because you're sleeping later, right? Right. And then also if you look at warm weather climate countries, Spain, quite warm weather on the Mediterranean and you see a lot of Mediterranean countries follow this pattern as well. They're eating dinner later because it's oppressively hot for a lot of summer.

I was on the Mediterranean this summer for two weeks. I lot of summer. I was in, I was on the Mediterranean this summer for two weeks. I was in Greece. I was in Sardinia and you would go out in Sardinia at 8 p.m. and it would be like, you know, sun had just set and it would be 95 degrees. Oh no way. So was it bumping or not? No, like we went to dinner at like 9 p.m. And there was nobody there and we and we just ate and we drank of the cool cocktail bar. We stayed 1030 comes around it's packed for dinner. No way. Yeah, it was crazy. It was like something I never experienced before But that said like you are in America. What is the best time for a dinner reservation? you are in America, what is the best time for a dinner reservation?

So when you're going out. So this is why I asked what you do during the week because I think that has a correlation with what time you like to go out for dinner. Because for me and for David and I, we love to go to dinner at like six 37. Six 30, why? Explain yourself.

So for Saturday nights, why I like to go out to dinner around six 37 is because we like to go out to dinner around 637 is because we're gonna go out later So they want a nice base of food and a nice, you know strong like food base So we can go out and drink and party with our friends Wait, but how late are you staying out? Cuz you're eating are you getting late night food then probably not always not always we're not always late nighters We used to be bigger late nighters, but then then we were like is not we're not holding it Well, if you all the listeners ship the grand listenership out here has followed us for the last five years

Hi, we have changed so much That used to be like I would only go out so I could go on a late-night food adventure. Oh, no That was my thing, I loved it. Well, I used to love exploring a lot. I would love to go out in K-Town and then go to a random taco stand at 1.30. I would end up eating a baseball steak and an artichoke omelet at Pacific Dining Car

at three in the morning. When you said baseball steak, I knew it. On the regular, shout out to Training Day, Denzel orders it from that That's right, but I would be at BCD tofu house eating Eating tofu soup like 2 a.m. At 2 a.m. And now I'm like 1145 I'm like oh if I get home and I wake up at 7 a.m. On Saturday, right? I can prep the most beautiful breakfast sandwich. It's gonna be so I'll dress the arugula

prep the most beautiful breakfast sandwich. It's gonna be so, oh my god, I'll dress the arugula, I'll like, I can roast the tomatoes off, I'll have time. But like, I think, I don't know, but it's weird because we live in LA, we live in such a city, and I think that people are doing later and later dinner reservations. Like, places are staying open later. No, false. Really? False. Since COVID, since COVID. Oh yeah. Places have started, I have been to, okay, let me back up here. Go ahead. To me, going out to eat and eating at home are almost two fundamentally different.

Purpose, yeah. Yeah, going out to eat, it's like, I'm never worried about the macros, the calories, the whatever, I'm like. Yeah, you're there for good times. I'm there for good time, I'm there to be social. It's an event for me, it's like an amusement park. And so I'm like not worried about general

Lifestyle issues when it comes to that I would love to get like an 830 dinner res Like especially if you're going out on a date if you remember the single days Go ahead. I don't remember what being single is like anymore If you go out on a date and you have like an 830 p.m. Friday res you go pregame it with a cocktail somewhere at 8. That was never me. Sun is set, it's like sexy vibes, you know. I love you, that was never me. No? I think it's because I dated geriatric men.

That adds up. That were like 12, 13 years older than me. They're trying to get the senior discount. Early birth special. No, I literally- Taking you to Denny's. I literally, I think it's because I dated guys that were older, so most of my dinner reservations going out was around the 7 o'clock time regardless.

Oh, funny. But like if we're going out with friends, like let me tell you, if we go out with friends and like we're going to like a cool place in like North Hollywood, like a Thai place, like we're going to try to assemble the Avengers at like 8 o'clock so we can go out at night. But like, it depends on the friend group I'm with, like I have some friends that are like, I need to eat dinner at 5 o'clock so I can go to at night. But like, it depends on the friend group I'm with. Like I have some friends that are like, I need to eat dinner at five o'clock so I can go to sleep at a reasonable time.

I'm like, I don't wanna hang out with you that much anymore. So then I start to go more towards like the people that wanna eat a little bit later. Since COVID, I've noticed more like what would have been kind of late night-ish party restaurants. Restaurants that kitchen closes at 10, 30, 11, restaurant closes at midnight, right? Like Clubster-ont? Not a Clubster-ont, no. Clubster-ont is like you're partying at the restaurant till three in the morning. that kitchen closes at 10 30 11 restaurant closes at midnight right that

strong not a club strong no club star on is like you're partying at the restaurant till 3 in the morning which I've never been to oh my god oh my god you might I know Miami is big on that you know I just did you people know about this in Miami let me tell you so David and I went to Miami in Christmas and we literally went to like three club strwns in the span of two days. What a crazy culture difference it is. People just get up and dance on tables and I'm like, your foot is in the guacamole. It's crazy. The economics of this is fascinating to me because I don't ever partake in this, but you go there and you have to spend a minimum food yes to then have that table that you just ate a steak and onion rings that To party at till 4 in the morning right that's

Disgusting I don't want to do that at all you should do it once We're the culture just just just tell you see the culture of Miami, but now I feel like there anyways whenever we're like 70 So whatever a Boca Raton take me now Boca, but getting to Boca. We're getting a condo, we're getting a duplex. One of us lives on the top, one of us lives on the bottom, and then every now and then we'll switch. We'll go to Naples or Ocala maybe. We could go to Naples, Florida. No, but I've noticed so many restaurants, they are closing their doors a lot earlier. You'll go to like a legit restaurant and they'll be like closed at 9 on a weekday.

But I think that's an economic reality of people having to get their books a lot more secure That's I understand restaurants, right? Every time I try to look up a reservation on like Google or Yelp. Yeah those every single restaurant I want to go to the five five thirty five five forty five are wide open and then everything from like Six to ten book solid for like months Yeah, so I don't know so I don't get it I'll ask you then I don't know cuz I've I've certainly eaten at a lot of restaurants at five o'clock So it was the only time I could go and then it feels like lunch

And then I've eaten at 945 and I'm like well my next day is ruined right? Yeah, if you have the option you should say excuse me, excuse me I'm so sorry if you have the option between there's only a 5 p.m. Res and a 10 p.m. Res oh Which one do you take? Oh? My god, let me set the scene. It's it's Friday, but I can't go in a tough week at work. Oh, it's okay Saturday Sorry, but it's Saturday. Oh my god. She, Shabbat. It's Saturday. Oh my god, Shabbat just ended. You can labor again You can push buttons, you can drive a car. I do all that stuff anyways!

It's Saturday night, you had like a tough work week But not the kind of tough work week where you're like, oh I need to de-stress like the type of a tough work week We're like, I just need a little bit of solitude, but you already agreed to go with friends And then Saturday night res 5 p.m. Or 10 p.m. 10 p.m. Why? Always. Why? At 5 p.m. Or 10 p.m. 10 p.m Why always why 5 p.m. It's still sun out. What do you mean? What do you mean? I'm gonna I'm gonna make myself a light bite around 7 Uh-huh, and then make maybe make myself a cocktail at home and then go out with my friends at 10

Stay out till like 2 or 3 the fun thing that if you're not planning on going out after that 10 p.m. Dinner The fun thing about that is that you can then the dinner is the social nightlife event right? That's fun for me. Well. It depends what restaurant you're going to yeah It can't be it can't be just like any like Peeja Palace the new hot Indian. It's not that new but like It's really hard to get a reservation. It's really hard to get a reservation still. It's really hard to get a reservation there. It's like an Indian sports bar cocktail bar that serves Penne ala vodka with Indian spices on it. Yeah, yeah. So because that place is so damn busy

and I've been there before and I know what to expect, I would go early. But if you give me another restaurant, it might be later. Like, Budanoki, I've never been to Budanoki. You wanted to go for a long time. Oh, go late night at Budanoki first. You gotta go late night. Sure, don't go early at Budanoki.

Their cocktail program's so good. Exactly. You go eat at the... See, that's what I... It's all about what your intentions are. It's about what your intentions are and about what kind of day slash night you want to have. Josh, should we tell people about what a bang bang is? We could talk about the bang bang because...

So you and I are both referencing... There was an Instagram video of Prue Leith. Yes. Right? She was talking about what the ideal time to eat dinner at was. Yes, yes, yes. She said 9.30. She said 9.30. Which is nuts.

And she said her husband likes to eat at 7. That's not what her deal is. There was another video though. With Jose Andres. Jose Andres. That's right. Jose Andres talked about the bang, bang, bang, bang. Well that guy knows how to party.

That guy knows how to party. Also he is Spanish. Spaniards don't get to the club till 3am. I wanna go to Spain so bad. It sounds like fun. But the Bang Bang is where you eat one meal at one restaurant. We're not talking appetizers. We're not talking about shared small plates.

You eat a full ass meal. And then you go to another restaurant and eat a full ass meal. That's called the Bang Bang. But ideally it is walking distance. The two places are walking distance. restaurant and eat a full ass meal that's called the bang bang but ideally it is walking distance the two places are walking distance you could uber a taxi to the other place but half of the fun is walking off the food you go eat at the other place I love doing bang bangs with the right people I did a bang bang at Budonokki Budonokki was no Budonokki was the second location of my

bang bang Budonokki is this incredible Japanese izakaya, but really playful food, just incredible cocktails. I ate at a chain event and then went to Butunoki right afterwards. That was fun. Nice, nice. I love the bang bang. But that's good because then you stretch it out. You're eating dinner for four consecutive hours. But see that's fun.

Eating like that with like the right crew that's down to like kind of like indulge and gorge and do all those fun things every now and then is it's actually really, really fun. And I think it's more fun than like going to eat at like nine o'clock and then going to like a party. I have a dinner reservation tonight. Where are you going?

And I gave the option, I was given the option to go to a party with my friends. I have a dinner reservation tonight. Where are you going? And I gave the option, I was given the option of what time to choose as often happens. I don't know why I said that as if that was like a new thing. I was given the option of what time to choose. What time do you think I chose? What time do you think I'm getting dinner tonight?

Well, I need to know what... I am going to Gela Getza. It is maybe my favorite restaurant all time in Los Angeles Shout out to Brice and infern Lopez. How many people are you going with for total double date? Okay, and you made this reservation on your own or did I did it is actually no I made this reservation on my own, but it is a special Collab dinner. Oh with her and her boyfriend who is cooking O'Hawken food in New York Oh flying out here cooking walk and together. Oh, right. Okay. I what are my options? Can you give me three options? I'll say six seven or eight six seven or eight

Hmm, I think that you because it's a four person because it's a double date And I'm guessing that people that you're going with work I'm gonna assume that bold of you to assume I have friends with jobs. I'm gonna assume you went with eight. Eight o'clock. Oh, but what what about when the anxiety for the next morning because we're shooting Mythical Kitchen tomorrow. What about when the anxiety of that pre-shoot day night hits? You're still gonna go to eight o'clock. No, seven.

Okay, what do I do I lose? I don't know. I don't know. But no for meclock. No, seven. Okay, what do I, do I lose? Do I win? I don't know, I don't know. But no, for me, like weeknight res, seven. Okay. Weekend res, 830. That's the move. That's okay.

Right? That's okay for you, but for me, listen, my husband's a busy man, he works a lot, he goes to school, he's multifaceted, he's ambitious, I gotta listen to what he's saying right now, we gotta go eat at 637. And I know what's great, our friends are also really understanding of that. And they're also foodies too, so they get it.

The other thing here is children. Oh, we don't have any. We don't have any. When you do have children... Either together or like separate. We don't have kids. We thought about adopting one together. Meggie is like our... Are you parents?

Meggie's more like an adopted parent, like we adopted her as a mom. Oh, like the big brother big sister program? Yeah, you're doing great kids. Thanks mom. I've been calling Meggie mom for a long time. Me too. Every, we're at that early stage in our lives where friends are having kids, but I was making like lunch plans with a friend and I was like, great, like 1.30, and they're like, that's way too late. Yeah. I was like, what?

And they were like, lunch is 11 a.m. now. I was like, dude, I don't think the restaurant's open. Literally, I told you how I have a group chat where all of my girlfriends are parents now but me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, okay guys, we're all gonna go to brunch this Sunday, what time is best? And they're like, anytime around like 9 or 10 45 would be great.

And I'm like, you got it. I'll do it for you. No problem. I don't wake up on the weekends till like 10 sometimes. I'm up at 6 30 and I'm, I am waiting outside the gym for the doors to open. Sometimes I get there too early and I just take a walk around Studio City. Uh, but so this is from a very childless perspective. Those of you with children eat whenever they're not screaming or when they are. I don't understand what you do yet.

Yeah, yeah. Sleep when they sleep. That's what people say. Yeah, that's what people say. That's what people say. OK, there is an actual large difference across states in the US. We have real data here on the average dinner time. Tell me some data points, buddy.

Data points. Come on, boss. Earliest, earliest time. And again, there are a lot of cultural reasons, a lot of religious reasons even for when people would eat dinner. And I don't know if this has exactly anything to do with it, but I saw Pennsylvania is the earliest eating dinner state at 5.37 PM. Five?

What time do people get home? From work. I... Is it like, do the Amish in Lancaster County skew it? Because like they're waking up. So much of this, right, is just how late are you waking up? Right? You're going to eat dinner earlier if you are going to sleep at 8pm and waking up at

4, 2, 10 to farm and raise a barn. I don't think the Amish population is actually skewing it that hard, but maybe because the next one is only three minutes later at Maine, which makes a lot of sense. Because old people live in Maine. A little bit darker, colder. Oh, I just thought it was old people dark cold you eat dinner early, okay? That's how it works warm hot light You're gonna eat dinner later, okay? That's a lot of the data you see across the world India also tends to eat dinner quite late past 8 p.m. The data suggests Because anytime you mention data somebody will be like I'm from India and I eat dinner at 6 and you're like,

Outlier. Great. There's a duty in a 10 that's averaging you out because that's how numbers work. But anyways, latest, latest, this makes sense to me. It's not a state and that should give away everything you need to know because it's the only thing that would be listed on a state list that is not technically a state. US Virgin Islands! Puerto Rico! No, keep thinking inside. US Virgin Islands! Puerto Rico! Think inside the... Newfoundland! Newfoundland is just Canadian.

Oh. Think like there's a thing inside the contiguous United States that's not a state, but... East Swatini! East Swatini is an intranational... It's pronounced Lesotho. Lesotho! DC, District of Columbia, Washington DC.

Oh. Yeah, I kind of forgot about that one. It happens. 7, 10 PM is the average. Well, it's because they're making laws. I veto, I filibuster, I, hello my constituents. You do not have a super majority. I am the whip, I am am the senator whip did did you have

inappropriate relations with that woman I did not inhale I did not inhale but I do play the saxophone okay so in DC they eat at 710 it looks like yeah and I think a lot of that has to do with like why people would yeah you're working later hours Japan also tends to eat later dinners. Yeah, that's true. One thing though, when you mentioned earlier that like, I'll eat lunch anytime, I don't know, between noon and two, I think a really interesting thing

about America is how few inset cultural laws and taboos we have about food. And I think there can actually be a lot of negative effects when it comes to that. Do you think it's like a free for all? I think it's a bit of a free for all, and I think when you have a food culture that is a free for all, you become like a rife for demagoguery, right? People marketing, you know, slogans can then shift the way

that an entire population eats. Sure. Because you don't have like hundreds-year-old traditions blocking you in. I remember hearing a story, this is anecdotal, but about somebody who, an American went to work in France, and this is not just me paraphrasing Emily in Paris on Netflix, but it is a fun show. But they went to work in France and they would eat lunch at their desk, whenever, and they

would have coworkers literally shame them out of it. They would straight up go up to them and be like, don't you dare eat your lunch at your desk. Take your lunch break, we're going out, you're eating with us. Okay. Because otherwise all these other cultural norms start to erode. It's kind of a really weird thing

and it's not always great to just grasp onto cultural norms. Okay. But in certain things like, we eat lunch at 1.30 and we take that full hour, right? I think there is something kind of powerful about that you know so you're saying bullying works bullying all the time don't know my god don't I'm sorry you have your own traumas with that I know yeah and you also want to a pretty free and now I'm

now I'm racist on multiple levels that's's my bad. Oh, it's okay. You're not that bad. Um... Um, well, Josh, I wanted us to run through some foods. Okay. If that's okay. Like, what's the best time to eat these specific foods? Does that sound like something you want to do right now? Absolutely. Are you ready? I'm very ready.

Okay, okay. What's the best time to eat salad? Uh, 12.45 p.m. Okay, agreed. Uh, cereal? 11.30 p.m. Oh, my God. Yes, me too. Cereal's dessert. It's not breakfast. Yes, you don Cereal? 1130 p.m. Oh my god, yes, me too. Cereal's dessert, not breakfast. Yes, you don't eat cereal in the morning, I agree. Salami, we're talking about sliced salami, not chopped salami.

530 p.m. Oh, I disagree. I would say that's more of an 11, 11 a.m. I'm a salami as an appetizer man, cereal for dessert man, cultured. All right, carne asada burrito. 2.30 p.m., but that's also your dinner. 7 p.m. Mm.

Okay, a banana, 9 a.m. 9 a.m., yeah, I eat a banana almost every day at 9 a.m. Bagged shredded cheese. That's like four in the morning. You just woke from sleep paralysis. You wander to the fridge. Nothing can shake you from that demon, except for the cakey shredded Mexican blend cheese.

Not the good stuff. Yes, yes. So four a.m. for you. Four a.m. Three a.m. wishing hour. The wishing hour. Eggs Benedict. Noon.

Noon. Noon brunch. Eggs Benny. Come on. What's better? Oh, this is great a mint Milano a Mint Milano not a regular Milano a mint Milano 147 p.m.. You just ate lunch you need a little palette sweet palate cleanser to get back to work 645 645 What are you eating at Milano at 645?

You finished dinner at 645 Okay Philly cheesesteak. Philly cheesesteak, oh, this is nine p.m. after you just left the four p.m. birds game. You get back to Angelo's on South Street. I don't even think Angelo's on South Street. You get a hoogie, you get a pizza, you go on a 12 steps down, you drink some twisted teas,

you get in some Philly special. You see someone walking by in a giant jersey, you go, hey, hey, you mother fucker, get the fuck out of my fucking city, bro. Fuck you. I've never had a Philly cheesesteak in Philadelphia, so I feel like I haven't lived. So I can't really answer that. We got to go on a full cheesesteak tour.

Take you to John's Roast Park, take you to Angelo's. We should just go to Bradley Cooper's cheesesteak shop in Okay. Take you to John's Roast Pork, take you to Angelo's. I have nothing else to do. We should just go to Bradley Cooper's cheesesteak shop in New York. I heard, I wanna go. He looks hot. It's from the Angelo's people. They're making Angelo's cheesesteaks in New York. You know, I saw the bread.

And you're like, that's Angelo's bread. I saw the bread, and I'm like, that's Angelo's bread. Yeah, you know what? I have two more. It's Sarkone's. It's Sarkone's bread. Shut up. I have two more.

What's the best time to eat yogurt? 10, 15 a.m. Oh, same. And finally, spaghetti bolognese. Spaghetti bolognese. What's the best time to eat yogurt? 10 15 a.m. Oh save and finally spaghetti bolognese spaghetti bolognese romantic 8 15 dinner out 8 30 8 30 your

Roasterie a la buca Nick Jonas just walked in I love you know Austria la buca is my favorite Italian restaurant in Los Angeles Really? I ate there on Friday. It's Nick Jonas's favorite too. Really? He wasn't there. I love Nick Jonas. I love all the Jonas Brothers. Shout out to Frankie, Kyle, Kevin and... Comment below what time you eat dinner.

Jarvis Jonas. We have to start doing that. We have to start telling people. Comment below which Jonas Brother is your favorite. Have a good day. Have a good day. Have a good day. ["Sexy Girl"] Your hairline looks different. Thank you.

I use different products in my hair. I didn't mean to, I forgot my normal product. Maybe I'm losing my hair, that'd be cool. Be a good bald man. All right, Nicole, I've heard what you and I have to say. Now it's time to find out whether what get is rattling out there in the universe. It's time for a little segment we call

Opinions Are Like Casserole. Let's get to that first opinion. Josh, Nicole, I love you guys. What's so funny? Your podcast is amazing. Thank you. And Maggie, hello as well. I love you guys. What's so funny? Your podcast is amazing. Thank you and Maggie. Hello as well I love what you do also

Anyways best way to eat Cornbread put it in a waffle iron. Oh, I'm telling you little cracks the crevices Then you do a can of chili or you know, if you would make your own But yeah, you do chili poured over a cornbread waffle It's amazing. You'll thank me for it. I love you. This is Ben You do chili poured over a cornbread waffle. It's amazing. You'll thank me for it. I love you. This is Ben in Oregon.

All right, bye. We love you, Ben in Oregon. Sounds dank. Geography matters here. The fact that he's from Oregon and not somewhere in the South, I know, listen, plenty of Southern people probably putting cornbread in the waffle iron.

But I feel like this is one of those things that you can do when you didn't like grow up eating good cornbread. Oh, I see like store-bought cornbread in the waffle iron. But I feel like this is one of those things that you can do when you didn't grow up eating good cornbread. Oh, I see, like store-bought cornbread. I grew up eating, I swear to God, I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think the Box of Jiffy cornbread mix were the cheapest calories in the grocery store. Because growing up, we would eat that every single dinner.

It would be 79 cents. You'd take the little aluminum disposable pans, yeah, mix it with water, bake it off. It was just like delicious. Delicious, but it's not like good cornbread, right? And so like you take that, you put it in a waffle iron, that is going to improve it. Sure, because it's getting crispy and craggly and yummy. And there's no like crumb to preserve, you know, because it's just a box mix that's perfectly fine. So I think that's great. Do you like cornbread with little pieces of corn in it?

Like it all depends, but like probably no. If I'm eating like a proper hot water cornbread, like I kind of just want it to be good cornbread. I like buttermilk cornbread. Buttermilk cornbread. I like it buttermilky. There is a fancy restaurant in LA, one of the best Dunsmore.

Oh yes, been there, had their cornbread. They also have it at the previous restaurant, Brian Dunsmore Hatchet Hall. But they make a cornbread there. That is one of the better things I've eaten in my life. There's probably two full sticks of butter in the entire thing. I have a very sexy video of butter drizzling down it. I can't imagine a better thing than that.

Dunsmore is one of the best restaurants in Los Angeles. Brian Dunsmore, you do fantastic work. Oh, his name is Brian Dunsmore? He named it after himself? Or it was just a huge coincidence. Wow, that's crazy. That's like opening a place called Sharers. I wouldn't call it that.

What would you call it? La de Pic, it means the ace of spades in French. La de Pic? La de Pic. La de Picique. La de pique. La te pique. Might be called umbra. Wow. Which means shadow in Latin. That's sick. Yeah, we both had these names for like 15, 20 years.

It's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. I did that for a project in French class. I did for a project in culinary school. Really? That's so funny. I crunch the numbers. It's good. It's viable. You just gotta give me a space, man. The name is only French because it was in French class. That's so funny. I crunch the numbers. It's good. It's viable. You just got to give me a space, man.

The name is only French because it was in French class. But yeah, we came up with a whole menu and most kids were just like omelette, du fromage, jambon berre. And I was like looking up how to say razor clam in French. Oh, sweet. Yeah, so we did like a crudo of razor clam at L'Anse de Pic. This was a good opinion. Good opinion.

Hi, I've got an opinion. This was a good opinion. Good opinion. Hi, I've got an opinion. Both are Bobca related. The first is also a smear on Paul Hollywood. We're ready, we're ready, we're ready. Who thinks that it's possible to make a Bobca in less than five hours and also had the gall to insinuate that it was better than a Brooklyn Bobca.

Less entirely than a Brooklyn Bobca. Bobcas need minimum 14 hours to prepare. And really, for the best kind of babka, it's going to be at least 24 hours. Okay. The second part of that thought is that, you know, babka being an enriched dough, you know, has a lot of the similar properties to making like cinnamon rolls or donuts or brioche. And so if you kind of use a base babka dough, you can make all those good delicious items just from from one dough. Yeah. Thanks. Bye. Yeah. A lot of similarities between you even look at a lot of

Mexican pandulces, right? Contras, like a lot of them, they come from a sort of brioche, which isn't like a classic bread dough, like a bread dough in France, right, is flour, yeast, water, a brioche is an enriched dough with a lot of fats added to it. Five hour babka, like what's the best babka you can make in five hours? You can make a babka in five hours. The best babka is a babka that has been made with love and care and attention to detail.

Sure, but this is a competition show. It's a competition show. Crate Beard's Bake Off. I mean, they were setting it up for failure if it's only five hours. Listen, I judged a Try Guys Cinnamon Roll Cook Off where all the dough was raw. There was blood in it, yeah. It was raw. There was blood and it was raw.

Yeah. So I get it. but competition, you know, it doesn't reflect reality. But you could make like a passable serving babka in five hours. You could, but it's not gonna be the best babka in the world, the best babka. The best babka is at Zaybars.

Love you, Zaybars. I love you, Zaybars. 20 minute prep, two hour rise, 20 minutes more prep. You need to do an additional rise. 240, 20 minutes more prep. You need to do an additional rise. An additional rise for 30. Get it in the oven for an hour 15.

Let it rest for 40. You gotta put like a little glaze on the top and let it sink in. That's so tight. Five hours is really, really tight to do that. 10 and a half hour process. 14 hour process. I'm just casually saying 20,

but like you have to roll, you have to fill. It's a, really tight to do that. 10 and a half hour process, 14 hour process. I'm just casually saying 20, but like you have to roll, you have to fill. It's a labor of love. Then you braid and shape and then you, there's a lot of active time. No, you don't just braid it, you roll it, you cut it, striations, braid it, put it in. It's very, very labor intensive, but it is so good.

And nothing's better than a bun. I wanna try the five hour bun. Okay, try it, try it, try it. See what I can than the five-hour bapka. I want to try the five-hour bapka sound. Okay, try it, try it, try it. See what I can come up with. It's going to be bad. I'm going to eat it, and then if it's really bad, here's the best thing to do if you really mess up like a bread or a baked good or whatever,

you're just bread pudding it. Yeah, of course. You just take anything and you destroy it, and then you mix it with eggs and milk and maybe sugar or whatever, and then you just put it in the oven, and then it's a perfectly edible dessert. Correct.

Even if I lose, I win. You know? Yeah, no, thank you for the Paul Hollywood smear though. Stodgy. Stodgy. It goes soggy bottom. It's a little stodgy, but I have blue piercing eyes. Hi, Josh, Nicole, Maggie, a guest. I'm a British A, an American six. I'm JoJo from Georgia, and I've been long time fan of fans since day one of the pod. And I learned to make fried rice because of Josh's video during the pandemic from his

home kitchen. He taught us all how to make fried rice and I'm eternally grateful. I make it for my partner all the time and they love it so much. But my hot little tip, not a a cake but a hot tip is the best way to season a fried rice is everything bagel Trader Joe's kind they sell that at the grocery store now any grocery store you can find everything at bagel seasoning and it has everything You would need for a fried rice sure who. Who doesn't want two different types of sesame seeds and poppy seeds and the onion and the garlic and the flaky salt. Who doesn't want

that in their fried rice? It's perfect. So it's like a one-stop shop. It is amazing. And I'm so grateful to Josh for teaching me how to cook fried rice, but you know, maybe try this little hot tip next time you make fried rice. And I'd love to hear what you think. That's so cute. That's actually, that's just a really sweet thing. I remember making that and I remember a lot of people, it was like the early days of TikTok, got really mad because I boiled the rice.

I was trying to teach as many people to cook as possible in a really difficult time during the initial COVID shutdown. I remember you got so much hate. And I was like, hey, if you are not comfortable steaming rice, if you think you always burn it, because I hear that from a lot of home cooks, you can just boil rice. I said like pasta, which a lot of people know how to cook pasta, may not know how to cook rice. And you can just strain it when it's cooked. And then a lot of people were like, this is stupid and racist. It's not because Persians do that all the time.

That's, and we are known for having some of the best rice in the whole entire planet. Fluffy basmati Persian, right? But there's so many different ways to cook rice across the world like amen it right and so but anyways Yeah, that video is like really special to me and that's really special that you remember that and do it and actually learn something from it That's so awesome. I don't think I'll do this. No terrible idea. No, I mean in addition to a fried rice sure I don't think it should be the sole seasoning of the fried rice I think it can be in addition to the fried rice

with all the other stuff in it. The through lines she's drawing, though. Sesame, garlic, onion. Yeah, those are all great seasonings for a fried rice. Caraway seeds and poppy seeds. There's no caraway in everything. There's no way they're putting caraway in the Trader Joe's. Oh, maybe not the Trader Joe's one.

Probably not the Trader Joe's. It's probably just chunky. And I think the thing about everything, bagel seasoning. Let's not speculate. People just realized they like chunky garlic and onion. That's great. I grew up with dehydrated onion flakes. They're like little toenail clippings

and they're delicious in your food. They're so good. You put them in rice, it's great. That's really vivid. Thank you. And so I think people found out they just like chunky garlic, onion, and salt. Okay, here.

And then the sesame and the poppy seeds are just sort of there. Yeah, you're right. I think. Sesame seeds, sea salt, dried minced garlic, dried minced onion, black sesame seeds, poppy seeds. You are completely correct. There's black sesame in them? She said two different kinds of sesame seeds.

Oh, interesting. But anyways, the poppy seeds, poppy seeds, unless you're eating them in such high quality, one, fail a drug test, two, they actually have a flavor, but you're not getting the flavor of poppy seeds, unless you're eating them in such high quality, one, fail a drug test, two, they actually have a flavor. But you're not getting the flavor of poppy seed, I don't think, in a lot of everything. Yeah, I don't think so. Sesame can come through a little bit, but I would, my bagel order is just sesame, not

everything. Love a sesame bagel. I love all bagels. I love sesame seeds. I love all bagels of all shapes and sizes, and I also love fried rice of all shapes and sizes. But are you trying to tell me right now that a shrimp... Hold on, let me do it.

Are you trying to tell me right now, like in this Jesus is 2025, that a shrimp... You're trying to tell me right now that a shrimp fried this rice? Yeah. Yeah, he did, actually. Thank you. That was I idea. That a shrimp fried this rice. Yeah, yeah he did. That was my dramatic reading of a shrimp fried this rice. I want to make a video where we make a shrimp fried rice. That'd be pretty fun. I want to make like an everything bagel tatig. And then put smoked salmon and cream cheese.

That's a really good idea. That's a good idea, you should do it. I think you should do it. Why? Your culture's not my costume. It's because I'm Persian? Yeah. Wait, is it racist if I do make it or if I don't make it?

I don't know, you've been racist like a few times now. I don't think I've been racist. When was I racist? You were racist earlier when you said I'm a child. I said Spanish people eat later because they nap. Not all Spanish people nap. You said nap. Not all Spanish people nap. You said that. And then you also said that I was bullied because I was a...

No, I said you said that I said... You said I need to make a food. I am an ally. A white guy said, cut this all. Cut it all. Maggie, one more. Leave my shame. Maggie, one more.

One more. I don't think Maggie, one more. One more. I don't think you're racist. I think you're race-full. I think you love everyone. Yeah. So I just love some more than others. Who's your favorite minority? It's interesting.

What about Filipinos? Okay, I thought you were going to say Cambodians. I always had a lot of Filipino friends. Oh yeah? I have a couple Cambodian friends. Josh. Hey! What's up? Nicole. What? It is I, Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. Maggie! In my time on your planet, I have done much research into your Let him cook. Is this Shayne Topp? He's the Groot guy. What the hell is going on? What the hell is going on? rest in your opinion on this matter. Now, transform and rule out!

That was pretty good. As someone who's never watched... Is it Transformers? I've never watched a Transformer. I would like to think that that impression was really good, was it? It was really good, but it did have elements of Shane Topps, the Chosen character as well. Oh, the Chosen. The vocal affectation of Optimus Prime was kind of here.

Sounds like Napoleon Dynamite. I was so... You have to take their opinion seriously. I was so taken aback by the voice that the opinion didn't really hit for me. Chopsticks over forks, that's it. That's the whole opinion. There was so much buildup, and it was incredible. Josh has been saying this. It was really really well done

I enjoyed it thoroughly. Um, I I I mean Josh has talked about this like 45 times like it's not the most interesting subject matter matter for me So I'm gonna let him take it. I have no opinion on it Chopsticks thousands of years old. Forks, dating back to what, 1400s Italy. Even then they stayed in Italy for a reason. Nicole, if you believe in competitive market structures, the fork would have been invented long ago for eating food.

It was meant to eat spaghetti. It's a one trick pony. Even then, chopsticks, way better for eating spaghetti. You know Italians say you shouldn't slurp your noodles. It's simply because they know the fork is a less good version of an implement eat pasta with than chopsticks and chopsticks lend well to slurping. That's my only thing. There are so few foods that can be eaten better with a fork than chopsticks. Then people

going, I don't know how to use chopsticks. If you were born using chopsticks, what about peas? What about peas? Peas, spoon, spoon, spoon, spoon, spoon. Again, no, give me a food that is best eaten with a fork. I don't wanna fight with you right now. Spoon, spoon, spoon and chopstick. Knife, no knife on the table. Knife cutting should be done by the person who's best at cutting food. That's called a chef.

Thank you for listening to our podcast, The Hot Dog is a Sandwich. We got new audio only episodes every Wednesday and a video version here on YouTube every Sunday. You're probably saying like forks have certainly been around. The devil had a pitchfork. He was saying he was never depicted with it, but no, the forks were tools.

They were tools, but not meant to be at a table. And then the French government, that was Louis XIV, I mean, he was literally just trying to create all of these dining laws to stop his aristocracy from rising up against him. Because if you're trying to figure out which, if you just trying to create all of these dining laws to stop his aristocracy from rising up against him. Because if you're trying to figure out which, if you're trying to figure out which fork to use for your salad or for your oyster or for your deservere,

you're not thinking about how to overthrow a bloated monarch. If you want to be featured on opinions on the casseroles, hit us up at 833-DOG-POD-1. The number again is 833-DOG-POD-1. Salad, how am I gonna eat it? Chopsticks, just, if you learned how to use chopsticks from a young age, you would be very deft with them. Your fork is a crutch.

Four tines on a fork, four fingers on the hand, it's an affront to God. For more Mythical Kitchen, check out our other videos. We launch new episodes every week. We'll see you next time. Eat with your hands for crying out loud. So many people, they see a video of someone eating biryani with their hands.

They're like, this is disgusting. It's like, you would eat pizza. Where is the line? I've had wetter burgers, wetter pizza, than biryani. Is it simply a moisture issue? Wetter burgers, wetter pizza, Papa John's. Shut up. Bye.