A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - Is Popeyes' Chicken Sandwich Overrated?

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This, this, this, this is Mythical. If you want to annoy an overly polite Chick-fil-A employee, tell them how many chicken sandwiches Popeye's sold last year. But hype be damned, because today we're asking the question, is Popeye's chicken sandwich overrated? This is a hot dog is a sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich.
Starting point is 00:00:23 A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich, the show where we break down the world's biggest food debates. I'm your host, Josh Ayer. And I'm Nicole Hendy-Zadeh. And today, well, Nicole, we should talk about tomorrow first. What's happening tomorrow? The day after tomorrow was a great Randy Quaid vehicle. Oh, I was going to say Jake Gyllenhaal. Dennis Quaid. Jake Gyllenhaal? Randy Quaid definitely was not in the day after tomorrow. Who's Randy Quaid vehicle? Oh, I was going to say Jake Gyllenhaal. Dennis Quaid. Jake Gyllenhaal? Randy Quaid definitely was not in the day after tomorrow. Who's Randy Quaid?
Starting point is 00:00:48 He's Dennis Quaid's brother, and he thinks that there's a group of Illuminati-funded assassins after him. That's not the point. We shouldn't talk about Randy Quaid. The point is, so tomorrow, depending on when you're listening to this podcast, we have a video coming out on YouTube where I'm talking all about the Chicken Sandwich Wars. You do. Mm-hmm. It's a good video. you're listening to this podcast, we have a video coming out on YouTube where I'm talking all about the chicken sandwich wars. You do. It's a good video. And so every new fast food restaurant is coming out with a chicken sandwich billed as like a premium chicken sandwich.
Starting point is 00:01:13 And they're all doing that because they're trying to take a bite out of Popeye's because Popeye's launched a chicken sandwich in August of 2019 that absolutely broke the internet. Yes, it did. But it also has people divided. Really? I think so. I mean, there's a lot of people because anytime something gets overly hyped,
Starting point is 00:01:29 then there are the detractors, right? There's the reply guy on Twitter. It's like, the chicken sandwich isn't even that good. I make a better chicken sandwich, blah, blah, blah. And so I thought today we could break down whether or not the Popeye's chicken sandwich is overrated or not. Overrated?
Starting point is 00:01:43 You know, so you don't think it is? No, do you think it is overrated or not. Overrated? So you don't think it is? No. Do you think it is? It's tough. It's tough to say because- I remember the second the sandwich came out, you and I said, yo, let's eat this damn sandwich. Yes, we sure did.
Starting point is 00:01:57 And then we did. And then I cut it in half. I think we sent Trevor. We sent Trevor to wait in line at Popeye's. You cut it in half and then we cut it in quarters. And then at this time, it was just the three of us. So I had a quarter. You had a quarter.
Starting point is 00:02:08 Trevor had a quarter. And then you said, this is the best dang chicken sandwich I've had in a long time. You are misrepresenting my word. Oh. From a, from a, let me finish. Sorry. I yelled early. You need to learn mindfulness, young man.
Starting point is 00:02:20 You need to learn how to be mindful. And from a fast food restaurant. And I said, it's not that good. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. But no, but you're changing your tune now. Because I've had the other chicken sandwiches from many different fast food restaurants and none of them hold a candle to Popeyes. That is the big question here, right? Because this is all context dependent. Yes. So I do believe that Popeyes has made the single best fried chicken sandwich that any fast food restaurant has done. However, the bar for fast food is pretty low because it's fast food. That's like what it's designed to be, right? But it's so good that it tastes not fast foodie. Okay, but that's my
Starting point is 00:02:56 question then. If you took the Popeye's chicken sandwich and you put it in a different context, say you went to, why is Dog House in Burbank the only restaurant that ever comes to mind for me i don't know say you went to like a fast casual place and you you ordered a chicken sandwich and the popeyes chicken sandwich came out would you be happy with it okay so this is literally an snl sketch where it's like oh like oh you're at a your favorite italian restaurant they bring out a plate of spaghetti surprise it's actually olive garden haha and then it's like two gangsters like i I've been eating here for 25 years. What do you mean? The chef didn't make it back there.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Vincenzo's my brother or whatever. So this is the same exact thing. But yeah, I think I wouldn't mind it. It's a good sandwich. It's delicious. It's a very good sandwich. It punches above its weight class in the way that it doesn't feel like a fast food sandwich. Totally.
Starting point is 00:03:43 It feels like a very average sit down restaurant chicken sandwich, which is incredible for what fast food, because if you got a fast food burger from any actual sit-down restaurant, you'd be like, hey, yo, y'all just got like the frozen burger pucks in the back. What are you doing? This is weird. Like if you really isolate a fast food burger, again, I love fast food burgers. The Whopper for me is an absolutely fantastic sandwich. Carl's Jr. Western Bacon. Really? burger again i love fast food burgers i the whopper for me is an absolutely fantastic sandwich carl's junior western bacon really it i love the the acrid taste of that charbroiler no it doesn't
Starting point is 00:04:11 work for me the beef fat kind of like it gets to this like toxic temperature and it imparts this like insane smoky flavor into the whopper that i crave like catnip it's so funny i really enjoy it but if you were to like completely isolate a fast food burger from context, albeit delicious, it's like very kind of like emulsified, overcooked beef that if you were to get at a restaurant where you thought they were cooking them fresh, you'd be very confused. Yes, I agree with you on that. And that's typical with previous fast food chicken sandwiches too. Previous.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Previous. Like a McChicken. Like a McChicken. Well, not even the McChicken because the McChicken is, it started off in the dollar menu, right? It's basically a big ass chicken nugget inside a bun with some hot mayonnaise. Yeah, it's good. It's really delicious. And I love processed chicken sandwiches like that.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Burger King, their long John chicken. You don't like that? The long chicken patty? It looked like a tongue. I love the big old chicken tongue. No, that was weird. It's like two McChickens humping. Two McChickens humping. Itcchickens humping it's not humping it's making love it's an obscure al madrigal reference one of my favorite stand-ups out there shout out to al madrigal come on the show
Starting point is 00:05:13 uh but anyways i i love those processed chicken sandwiches but then there's this new era of like premium chicken sandwiches yeah where it's like a like a like gmo free chicken breast or chicken thigh like yeah no what is it water added like foster's farm chicken breast or chicken thigh. Like no, what is it? Water added, like Foster's Farm chicken and stuff. Exactly. But all the fast food ones, like I'm thinking Wendy's is a good example of the more expensive chicken sandwiches.
Starting point is 00:05:32 We also did that too. We just have a bad habit of anytime a new chicken sandwich comes out, we just say, we got to eat it. We got to try it. So we actually have like a, is it called a dog in this fight? We do have a dog in this fight.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Because we're so passionate about chicken sandwiches from fast food places. Yeah. And that was poop. That was poop. We do have a dog in this fight. Because we're so passionate about chicken sandwiches from fast food places. And that was poop. Yeah, Wendy's chicken sandwich, none of these do really hold up to Popeye's. You're right, like taste for taste.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Even the McDonald's, the new stuff. Yeah. Oh, so bad. It's pretty bad. But the thing about the Popeye's sandwich is like, they just figured out how to create a like supply line and a training for employees that caused them to like erase the fast food taste out of it which to me is the most incredible thing that they did the reason i'm hesitant to say
Starting point is 00:06:12 it's not overrated is simply because of all the parking lot brawls yeah i was gonna bring up there were there a few like shootings and stuff i mean there were shootings or parking lot brawls for all the people trying to i mean once something i it no longer became about the chicken sandwich, right? It became about having a collective experience as a society. Correct. Right. You wanted to know what other people were experiencing. You're like, oh my God, I saw a picture of the Popeye's chicken sandwich eater or whatever called it the best chicken sandwich of all time.
Starting point is 00:06:37 So I want to go have that. The employee's not making it fast enough. I'm going to pull a knife. We've all been there. No, I have not. Metaphorically speaking, of course. Not a big fan of that kind of behavior. Speaking of the hype, let's just go through the numbers real quick. So August 12th, 2019 is when Popeye's officially debuted their chicken sandwich. Wow. Chicken sales. I mean, I talk about this in the video, but it's all because
Starting point is 00:06:58 beef is getting very expensive. So fast food restaurants are all just like doubling down on chicken. You've seen McDonald's with, they had like the Mighty Wings, the Chicken Selects, Carl's Jr. is doing the Spicy Nugs. They're all just really trying to push the chicken. Popeye's never really had a like viable boneless chicken option. They had their tenders and they had the thing that I call the greatest fast food item of all time. The 99 cent like budget wrap, those red beans and rice and a chicken tender and a tortilla. Never have I ever had that. But that sounds really good. It's really like what's bad about that it's like nothing it's like a soul food burrito that sounds delicious absolutely fantastic uh but anyway so popeyes
Starting point is 00:07:33 basically realized that these chicken sandwich sales were exploding chick-fil-a had been dominating the game for so long they're like it's finally time for us to get in the game how they settled on completely like revamping their chicken process and getting these large brioche buns it's a big sandwich it is it's huge it's it's huge and it's worth the money it is worth the money i mean it's it's a you know about five dollars retail why would you be buying them wholesale i don't know they were selling for a thousand dollars on ebay which i feel so stupid about not capitalizing it's like reselling jordans or PS5s. You just- Yeah, but it's a sandwich. Should have bought a thousand sandwiches.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Should have done it, Josh. We could have been millionaires by now. Yeah, you know, peace out. You would never see me again. Okay, so anyways, through the month of August, the sandwich went so viral that it raked in an estimated $65 million in media value. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:19 So basically the equivalent of them, you know, spending $65 million on advertising. All the free press. The sandwich sold out nationwide from stores within two weeks and it caused a slew of parking lot brawls and mini riots, of them, you know, spending $65 million on advertising. All the free press. The sandwich sold out nationwide from stores within two weeks, and it caused a slew of parking lot brawls and mini riots, which only led to more media coverage. That's the craziest thing about this. All the, I mean, I watched so many, like, parking lot disasters of the Popeye chicken video.
Starting point is 00:08:37 You watched a lot of Worldstar? Actually, yeah, I do. I don't think it's good to, like, you know, provide a demand for those types of videos. I get in the mood every now and then. Yeah, I had to stop. I had to like train myself to stop yelling world star anytime something like happens. Anytime you record something. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Every time we press record. World star. Every time when Josh first started making food videos on his own, he would say world star. God, no. Oh, please no. So in just two weeks, Popeye's increased their share of the fast food chicken sandwich market by more than 400% previous month, which is crazy. So the chicken sandwich market, that refers to any sort of like
Starting point is 00:09:14 chicken wraps and basically non-chicken sold by itself. And again, Chick-fil-A is always the biggest dog. And then finally, Popeye's increased total in-store sales by 38% from the previous year's quarter. So that is a massive fast food company increasing sales by 40% from the previous year. Absolutely bonkers. It was a cultural reset, let's be real here. It was. That sandwich was crazy. It was.
Starting point is 00:09:38 And it caused everyone else to change. But why I'm hesitant to say it's not overrated is because popeyes was always so perennially underrated yes you know what i mean i understand what you're saying i think popeyes has always had the best fried chicken in the game it's it's better spiced than kfc i think their batter is just generally better i know kfc i believe these a pressure fryer i think they do too yeah situation but to me uh popeyes apparently they do like a flour and egg batter for the wet coating. Brilliant. It's brilliant, right?
Starting point is 00:10:09 Because you're going to get just essentially more starch caked on there. Yes. And then as long as you're, you know, frying it nice and super hot, it's going to retain all that crunchiness. I think Popeyes has always been really fantastic from their sides to their little dollar value menu wraps that for me, when they came out with the chicken sandwich, that was absolutely bonkers good. I was like, this is what Popeye's would do.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Popeye's has always been good. This is a very good chicken sandwich. Why is everybody surprised? You know what I mean? For me, I don't think Popeye's has the best chicken. I do believe Chick-fil-A has the best chicken. And I stand by that. No, you do not. Yeah, I do. I do. When's the last time you ate it? the best chicken i'm i do believe chick-fil-a has the best chicken and i stand by that yeah no you
Starting point is 00:10:45 do not yeah i do i do once last time you ate it uh whenever you got the chicken sandwiches for the chicken wars thing really you ate that chick-fil-a and you're like this is the what about chick-fil-a speaks to you the chick it's my favorite chicken but popeyes is my favorite sandwich the spicy one in particular intro because to me the the chick-fil-a sandwich it's not crispy at all it doesn't retain any crispiness the batter is like really it's not like falling off but it's it's just so thin and to me i've never had a chick-fil-a sandwich that was anything close to juicy it was always just like super super dry maybe i mean i've only been to chick-fil-a maybe about five or six times and every single time went, I remember so we talked about regional fast food hype all the time. We talked
Starting point is 00:11:29 about a lot in our In-N-Out episode. And I can never eat an In-N-Out burger for the first time again, right? Pandora's box has been opened. I can never close it and go back. But I remember when I went to shot put camp. You're ready for some shot put camp stories. Born ready. I went to shot put camp. You're ready for some shot put camp stories? Born ready. Bunch of beefy teens hanging out in Spokane, Washington.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Anyways, my roommate was a dude named Caleb. And I hope he hears this from Atlanta, Georgia. And he was just a good old fashioned Georgia boy. And he really talked like this. And he was so polite. He was like, oh, man, you never had Chick-fil-A. You need to get down to a Chick-fil-A. Boy, I tell you what, they got the best chicken sandwiches.
Starting point is 00:12:04 And they ain't open on Sundays. But anyways, so we had hyped this up for a long time. And then finally, a Chick-fil-A. Boy, I tell you what, they got the best chicken sandwiches and they ain't open on Sundays. But anyways, so we had hyped this up for a long time. And then finally a Chick-fil-A came to Southern California. They had a huge national expansion. And I tried it with, you know, all this hype of Caleb from Atlanta, Georgia. And I was like, man, this ain't as good as Wendy's. Like it was just a dry chicken sandwich. I like the fact that they have a ton of sauces.
Starting point is 00:12:22 I hate their politics. What about the flavor? I hate their politics too. I feel like anytime you mention Chick-fil-A, you gotta just be like their politics are garbage. Oh, without a doubt. I do not agree with their politics or their policy at all, but they make a good chicken. See, I can, I hate
Starting point is 00:12:35 both and I exercise my right to hate both. You have every right to exercise your right, but you don't think the chicken's good? No, but I think what they did, like their chicken doesn't have fillers. It doesn't taste like fast food chicken. I really like it. It tastes like bad homemade chicken.
Starting point is 00:12:50 No, really? You know who has the best chicken, like, bites ever? Shake Shack. Oh, well, they do the Chick-fil-A thing. I mean, it's just they call them, like, nuggets. Or do they call them bites at Shake Shack? I don't know what they're called. But it's, like, this beautiful, flaky flaky like tempura-y gorgeous fall off.
Starting point is 00:13:09 It's like feathers. It's a lacy wet batter. It's lacy, feathery, beautiful. That's the best piece of like little chicken. But and then I think the – I don't know. There's something about the spicy mayo and the pickles and the buttermilk brine chicken of Popeyes with the brioche bun. It's just a beautiful allglomeration of flavor and texture and heat and crunch
Starting point is 00:13:27 that Chick-fil-A doesn't hold a candle to. Wendy's doesn't hold a candle to. But I think on its own, if I were to isolate the chicken on its own, it doesn't do it for me. It doesn't. Nicole, I want to put this to a blind taste test for you. Okay, do it. So badly. What are you doing here? I wish I could just pull it out
Starting point is 00:13:44 from under the table. I know. Why didn't you? What are you doing? I wish we had that here. I wish I could just pull it out from under the table. I know. Why didn't you? Um, what are you talking about? Something about chicken sandwiches. Uh, you brought up Shake Shack. Shake Shack has a chicken sandwich. Have you had it?
Starting point is 00:13:54 I've had their Gochujang chicken sandwich. Oh, I've never had that. Is it good? Oh my God. Actually really freaking good. Like really, really, really, really good. So they, they do their, their standard chicken their standard chicken sandwich is McChicken construction. We now have these sandwich archetypes, which is funny.
Starting point is 00:14:10 McChicken construction is mayonnaise, lettuce. Oh, there's no pickles on it, actually, but Chick-fil-A does have pickles. Chick-fil-A does have pickles. Or not Chick-fil-A, sorry, Shake Shack does have pickles. I don't remember. I ate the Gochujang one, so I don't know what I did. I don't know what I ate. Makes sense, makes sense. But the Popeye's sandwich archetype is just fried chicken, spicy mayonnaise, thick pickles,
Starting point is 00:14:26 sheeny, glossy, shiny bun. I believe they call brioche, but there's no legal. Yeah, right. It's just, it's shiny is what it is and big. But Shake Shack has lettuce on theirs and they use a wet batter. And it's a very good chicken sandwich, but they're chicken, right? It's not like processed. And so it can be a little bit dry sometimes and it's all white meat.
Starting point is 00:14:43 And now I'm wondering if you put Popeye's chicken sandwich in a Shake Shack wrapper and serve it can be a little bit dry sometimes and it's all it's all white meat and now i'm wondering if you put popeye's chicken sandwich in a shake shack wrapper and serve it to me i would enjoy that a lot more than the shake shack chicken sandwich so who am i to get off calling popeye's overrated this is all just i'm trying to figure out the level of restaurant yeah that could serve me a popeye's chicken sandwich and i would be disappointed okay let's let's do it let's do where youye's chicken sandwich and I would be disappointed. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. Where you wouldn't be disappointed or you would be disappointed? Where I would be.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Because I'm saying like if they serve me a Popeye's chicken sandwich at Shake Shack, I would be happy. Okay, we're at Shake Shack. So you're happy. We go to CPK. I would be very happy, but only because I have such low standards for what CPK would serve me outside of their delicious Thai chicken pizza and barbecue chopped chicken salad. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:25 But no, I would be happy. I know what she's saying. You pay $12 for that. It comes with a side of fries and eight leaves of baby lettuce. Yeah. A little bit of carrot. Yeah. Single cherry tomato.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy. Okay. Cheesecake factory. It's big. It's a big sandwich. It wouldn't look out of place.
Starting point is 00:15:43 Imagine they put a little frilly toothpick on it. Put a little frilly. Oh my God. They got a little frilly. Yeah. A little pickle spear on the side. Yeah's a big sandwich. It wouldn't look out of place. Imagine they put a little frilly toothpick on it. Put a little frilly. Oh, my God. They got a little frilly. Yeah, a little pickle spear on the side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would not be disappointed. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Let's think about another restaurant that you. Have you been to Son of a Gun? I knew you were going to bring that up. Yes, I've had the chicken sandwich. I've had it three times. I don't love it. I do not either. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Yay. So Son of a Gun, for context, it's this restaurant in LA. A lot of people sort of credit them for for pioneering the fancy chicken sandwich yes i've heard uh even though it's probably actually bake sale betty's in oakland who was one of the first to really do it okay but anyways a lot of people talk about john shook and vinnie totolo they open animal in la they're two very formative chefs uh in the fine dining space but making kind of like stoner food out of
Starting point is 00:16:25 that. So they make a fried chicken sandwich that is just a brined chicken breast that is fried. It's put on like a nice bun with a nice slaw and a, what do they call it? Frank's Red Hot Aioli or something. I think so. It's a delicious sandwich, but it's not the best fried chicken sandwich I've ever had at a restaurant in LA. No, me neither.
Starting point is 00:16:41 And the last time I went there, the chicken was just super dry. It was just, that's the difficult thing about cooking chicken breasts is that they get super dry. Props to Popeyes. I think they wet brine their chicken
Starting point is 00:16:53 so, so, so heavily. If that chicken is not wet brined, then color me absolutely gobsmacked. Yeah. It's really juicy. It's got,
Starting point is 00:17:01 it's juicy. It's got that snap to it that a brined chicken has. And it's thick. It's thick. It doesn't shrink. It has no shrinkage's juicy. It's got that snap to it that a brine chicken has. And it's thick. It's thick. It doesn't shrink. It has no shrinkage. No.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Yeah, I don't know. And you can't hide when it's thick chicken. If it's thin chicken that's dry, then you can get by with the sauce and the pickles and all that. You can mask it, right? Like a Wendy's. Because of the equation of the sandwich. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:19 The sandwich equation. Popeye's chicken cannot run from flaws. No. And I've had a couple of Popeye's chicken sandwiches that are on the drier side, but then I've had some that are fresh off the line that are, oh my God. Yeah, they're really good. Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm a little bit hungry too. And the mouthgasm that is going on in my brain movies right now, it's pretty impeccable.
Starting point is 00:17:37 I mean, Popeye's did that. So what if you had a Popeye's sandwich at Son of a Gun? If I had a Popeye's chicken sandwich at Son of a Gun right now, the place that serves their chicken sandwich for 18 and they are often credited for sort of inventing this fancy chicken sandwich movement i think i may prefer the popeye's sandwich i would prefer the popeye's sandwich to the last sandwich that i had at son of a gun okay let's go a little step further okay but if we're at cut wolfgang puck steakhouse once you get to a point i was having this discussion with like how,
Starting point is 00:18:06 I think you can tell a lot about a person from seeing them interact with restaurant servers. Yes, of course. And I am generally, you know, very forgiving on literally anything. You can spill hot soup on me. I'll still tip 20%, whatever. I don't know if I'd do that. But once you've, but I'm saying like, once you get to a certain level of dining, like Wolfgang Puck's Cut, a place that like solely serves for special occasion events, then at some point, like the service being impeccable is part of why you're paying $80 for a dish or whatever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:37 You know? And so at some point for me, I'm like, there, there's give and take where like, you can only take so much. So I'm saying like, if I got a chicken sandwich from Cut that was Popeye's, I would for sure expect more. I would be – even a place that specialized in chicken sandwiches because Son of a Gun, they're like a fancy restaurant. They got hamachi crudo on the thing. I love Son of a Gun's food.
Starting point is 00:18:56 It's actually really bomb food. Like their other stuff, like their lobster roll that's the size of the palm of my hand is amazing. It is. No, they have a lot of great food. But I'm saying to me, I think the Popeye's chicken sandwich would be out of place at like an actual fine dining restaurant. But at a hipster fine dining restaurant,
Starting point is 00:19:09 like Son of a Gun, I think it might just blend in and be pretty good. But if I went to a chicken sandwich specialist, he served me like Howlin' Ray's, I'm thinking. So Howlin' Ray's, Johnny Ray's own. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Absolutely amazing, right? Yeah. And he uses like Mary's organic chicken breast. And I remember the first time I had his sandwich. He is making Nashville hot chicken sandwiches in Los Angeles. He did a whole pilgrimage to Nashville to learn how to do it. He worked for Sean Brock in Nashville. Wow.
Starting point is 00:19:35 And all this stuff. And I remember the first time I had his sandwich when he was still working out of a truck. I was like, man, I wish this was TBH. Wish it was chicken thigh. And he was like, no, no, no, man. Like keep eating it. You'll see why. It takes so much skill to cook a chicken breast.
Starting point is 00:19:47 Oh my God. To deep fry a chicken breast? Especially to deep fry a chicken breast. Oh my gosh. What a process. Because if it doesn't come out, like you need to brine it to get salt all the way through and to retain that juiciness. You need to cook it to a specific internal temp.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Otherwise it just ends up super, super dry. Cooking a chicken breast is more difficult than cooking a steak. Oh my, I 100% agree. People will not agree with us on that, but I agree with you 1 million percent. Yeah, but a lot of people think they don't like chicken breast. And I was one of those people that was included in that. Yeah. Because everyone thinks it's dry, it lacks flavor, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:20:16 But that's the skill of the chef, right? Is to make it not dry and to give it flavor. Yep. And so, I mean, even if you cook a boneless, skinless chicken breast, there are things you can do to it as a cook to make it really, really absolutely delicious. And the first time I've ever thought of chicken breast as like a luxury, delicious meat was because of Johnny Raison. The like purity of chicken flavor and the seasoning and the doneness and the temperature and not even to mention the spices and condiments. I mean, it gave me the pleasure
Starting point is 00:20:43 of an incredible, perfectly cooked steak. That's amazing. Yeah. what a great story so thank you you're welcome i told it myself i know yeah yeah well do you want to hear about the time that i couldn't sit down at work the next day after i ate his uh original howlin rays no i'm okay no no he put pure capsaicin extract in it and i started hallucinating and i okay i threw up and the throw up was so spicy that i burned my eyes and started crying oh no that's dangerous yeah he adjusted the recipe after that i was his guinea pig um you gotta push the limit somewhere before you know to dial that ouch but i'm saying you get like a papa there's a limit to how good the popeyes chicken sandwich can be because it is a fast food chicken sandwich so once you get up to a certain tier of like a good fried chicken sandwich specialist or a fine dining restaurant then
Starting point is 00:21:30 popeye seems very very out of place but that said it still punches above its weight class totally in so many freaking restaurants yeah no i even like plan check have you had the chicken sandwich from plan check oh don't don't turn your nose up that plan check i'm not turning it up i just had a really oily gr gristly experience there, and I haven't been back in maybe six years. With a chicken sandwich or a burger? Burger. I haven't been back there in like six years.
Starting point is 00:21:51 I'm sorry. I had one bad experience. I don't want to go back. That makes sense. Full disclosure, I interned for plan check in college. I had to say that because I have a dog in this fight. It is a very kind of like fancy, hipstery burger restaurant in Los Angeles, but they serve a $14 fried chicken sandwich there.
Starting point is 00:22:07 And it's fried chicken thighs with smoked milk gravy, hatched chili pimento cheese, and duck ham. I love pimento cheese. I do too. I have a love affair with pimento cheese. I totally agree. It's a cheese and a sauce and a dip and a schmear all in one. My mouth is salivating. I went to Pine State Biscuits in Portland, Oregon. That place slaps.
Starting point is 00:22:31 And wow, wowie zowie. What a beautiful food experience that was. If you ever go to Portland, Oregon, please eat pimento cheese from Pine State Biscuits. Thank you so much. Yeah, go to Pine State Biscuits. That place rules. Thank you so much. Just exhaustively thanking Pine State Biscuits. It's been a few years, but it was one of those, you know, you had a great food experience with Johnny Ray Zone. And I had one. Did I have fried chicken there?
Starting point is 00:22:59 Probably. They're big on their fried chicken breakfast biscuit. I think I might have had a fried chicken biscuit with pimento cheese. And that like blew my mind. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. Bro, we got to go to Portland. Do you want to go? I've already been. I want to go somewhere new.
Starting point is 00:23:17 No, I want to go back to Pip's Donuts in Portland. Oh, I've never been to Pip's. Have you heard of it? Yeah. They got the little, they're the cider. Are they cider donuts? What do you do there in Portland other than eat amazing food 24 7 there's nothing else to do in portland other than eat the most amazing food at hike no i went to the world track and world indoor track
Starting point is 00:23:33 and field championship and saw a russian woman jump seven meters 23 seven meters 23 seven meters 23 world lead at the time one of the yeah so that's pretty big for me. What is the 23? It's like centimeters. Okay. Seven meters. Thank you for clarifying. Point is, a place like Plancheck, a place that is serving a $14 chicken sandwich, they don't just traffic in delicious fried chicken.
Starting point is 00:23:57 They got all the bells and whistles. They got the hatch chili pimento cheese. They got the duck ham, all that. Popeye's is limiting in their sort of simplicity but all their stuff is very well done the pickles are good pickles the sauce is a good spicy mayonnaise yeah but what they what they were able to do is they didn't take any crazy fancy ingredients like mcdonald's it's just done well it's just done it's done really well yeah it's done really well and i guess in my mind i'm wondering if a very average chicken if i were to make an average chicken sandwich at home, it might taste very similar to Popeye's.
Starting point is 00:24:27 If I was like, I just want. You give yourself so much credit, I love it. I'm sorry. Okay. What does that mean? No, it's honest. I do. I'm a raging narcissist.
Starting point is 00:24:38 That was a Mona Lisa Saperstein experience. Money, please. Money, please. That's like your spirit animal Mona Lisa Saperstein I've been saying I've been watching a lot of Parks and Rec
Starting point is 00:24:49 like snippets and stuff and every time I see Mona Lisa I'm like that's me I'm Mona Lisa Saperstein like 10% of the time maybe more I don't know
Starting point is 00:24:57 depending on who you ask what's it Jenny Slate I almost called her Jenny Finch she was a professional softball player I love Jenny Slate
Starting point is 00:25:03 and I love Mona Lisa Sestine. Okay, I'm done. Go back to talking about- Fried chicken sandwich is one of the few things that I think I can cook like very, very well up there with maybe the best. Really? Why don't you make me one?
Starting point is 00:25:17 I don't cook anymore. I don't cook in the kitchen. I do podcasts and I write scripts and I do spreadsheets. I mean, for all intents and purposes, I cook. We all cook. But you know what I'm saying? Do you remember the days in the kitchen when we had so much free time that we just make food for each other? Remember when we had so much free time in the kitchen where I would just go upstairs and take a nap
Starting point is 00:25:35 and you'd be like, enjoy these moments because you'll never do this again? Okay, you're taking that out of context. That was a real thing, though. When Nicole was first hired here, we hadn't launched the Mythical Kitchen channel. We didn't have a podcast. We were squatting up for all this. We were assembling the crew. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:50 And there was one day where Nicole was like, what do I do? And I was like, I'm going to be honest. There's not much to do today. And she was like, can I take a nap? And I was like, yeah. And I was like, OK, but know that enjoy the rest times now. Because later, we got big plans for a lot of stuff. There might be times where we're pretty exhausted.
Starting point is 00:26:06 So remember the fond times of napping and making each other spaghetti during lunch. I miss those naps. It was so good. I would just curl up. I would also be on Revolve looking at dresses, too. I'm very grateful for all the success of the podcast and the YouTube channel. But more than that, I wish I could nap and make spaghetti from scratch at work again. You know what, Josh?
Starting point is 00:26:26 At least one time this week. How about you make a chicken sandwich? And then we buy a Popeye's chicken sandwich. And then we have both next to each other. That's the final test. Yeah, we got to do the final test. The final test to see if it's overrated. Is Popeye's overrated or am I overrated?
Starting point is 00:26:38 Yeah, and you can't make a Popeye's style chicken sandwich. You make your own chicken sandwich from your heart and soul. Put whatever frills you want on it. Do whatever you want, man. sandwich from your heart and soul put whatever frills you want on it put whatever do whatever you want man this is your manifest destiny is that is that a a push reference apus history i'm sorry oh yeah yeah yeah oh god you just said a push yeah sorry oh my god i haven't heard that in so long yeah oh that felt disgusting i got a three on that test i never took it uh but yeah i think i think you can make a pretty good chicken sandwich. I would like to believe that you could. I think so.
Starting point is 00:27:10 And I think I can make it taste better than Popeye's in a vacuum just by virtue of being fresher. Okay. You know? Okay. Well, why don't we just go in the parking lot, make a sandwich in the parking lot, and then I go to the thing and then I eat. You know what I mean? Yeah, parking lot chicken. Parking lot chicken. Parking lot chicken. Josh, make a parking lot, make a sandwich in the parking lot, and then I go to the thing, and then I eat, you know what I mean? Yeah, parking lot chicken. Parking lot chicken.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Parking lot chicken. Josh, make a parking lot chicken sandwich. I'm down to that. So when I first delved into the fast food world, I was a Jack in the Box girl, so I would eat the spicy chicken sandwich from Jack in the Box. Are you talking about the budget spicy chicken sandwich?
Starting point is 00:27:39 Like, was it like a 99 cent one? It didn't have cheese on it. Okay, that was probably like, they had like a deluxe. Because I remember having a Jack in the Box chicken sandwich as well. Yeah, and it was good. It was like a 99 cent one. It didn't have cheese on it. Okay. That was probably like they had like a deluxe. Because I remember having a Jack in the Box chicken sandwich as well. Yeah. And it was good. It was good.
Starting point is 00:27:48 I have a deep, deep fondness for cheap chicken sandwiches. I do too. I love a good cheap chicken sandwich. I do. So my personal favorite, I remember I had an NFL draft party when I was 12 years old. Me and all my little 12-year-old friends. Wow. That's fun, Josh.
Starting point is 00:28:03 Assembled in a friend's garage. And we all spent our little like, spent our little 12-year-old $3 in our pockets on chicken sandwiches. We just had a pile of Carl's Jr. spicy chicken sandwiches. It's got a single leaf of the whitest iceberg lettuce. Not a tinge of green in any of this lettuce. It's got the hottest mayonnaise, but it is a very, very well-spiced chicken sandwich. Super well-spiced. Yeah, yeah. I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Visible black pepper. Yes. So much. So much visible black pepper in the batter. And so I think part of me struggles with this new rebranding of like a luxury chicken sandwich. Yeah, I know what you mean. There's something nostalgic about that weird peppered breading that is too thick in some spots, too thin in others. It's this weird brown.
Starting point is 00:28:44 It's not a delicious brown. The chicken's just a gray paste. It looks like carpet. Like, you know, the breading looks like carpet, but it's so nostalgic. And when you put it against a chicken sandwich, like a Popeye's or a Chick-fil-A, you're like, I miss it. You know, you kind of miss that like OG flavor. I agree with that. I think maybe that's something like, are we, fast food restaurants have gone through this weird shift where they, so fast food restaurants in America, especially people are obsessed with value, right?
Starting point is 00:29:10 Of course. Where I believe this to be true, that we're the only country that has like dollar menus and value menus and a whole separate menu just for like, hey, you want to spend a dollar on lunch today? Here's what you can do. I didn't know that. And it's not necessarily just for you know low-income people it's for people to feel like uh it's for all the people like my dad who would go to an all-you-can-eat buffet in vegas for eight dollars and then criticize me if i went to anywhere but the crab legs first oh yeah you gotta try and bankrupt them of course what's the point
Starting point is 00:29:38 of going to a buffet if you're not gonna eat the high-end things yeah gonna eat salad you keep that salad plate empty young man no you need to be the reason that buffets should not feasibly exist from an economic perspective you always go and get the eggs benedict luxury proteins and sauces that are tough to make and cost labor yes yeah josh you get the shrimp and you get the hollandaise yeah you always get the hollandaise they never have steak at these buffets have you you ever been to the Wynn Buffet? No, I haven't been to, though. You want to feel rich? Go to the Wynn Buffet. I've been kicked out
Starting point is 00:30:11 of a buffet in Reno, Nevada. No, you haven't. Yeah, we had a lot of mimosas. It was all-you-can-drink mimosas, and me and my friends, we went from when the brunch opened at 9 a.m., and we stayed till 1.30 p.m.,
Starting point is 00:30:21 and we took advantage. You know, we ate multiple meals there and had a good time, and then they came up and they were just like, hey, I know it's all you can drink, all you can eat, but I feel y'all have taken advantage somewhat. Wow. We would politely ask
Starting point is 00:30:34 if you would get up and we were like, no problem, you are in the right on this one, man. And we tipped very well. Good. But yeah, no, I absolutely love that. And so I think in America, we want to have this value from fast food restaurants. Sure. We want a cheap meal.
Starting point is 00:30:49 And also a lot of people need a cheap meal. But now, as the tides generally shift in fast food restaurants have found themselves, you know, unable to scrape by on those margins, especially because of the franchise system where it's all small business owners and they want more and more. system where it's all small business owners and they want more and more, that we now have this system where we're selling $6 chicken sandwiches and combo meals cost $12. And fast food is sort of, you know, becoming more elevated. And maybe part of me just yearns for these like three bite McChicken size sandwiches in the past. Yeah. Every time I go through a drive-thru, I'm like, what? $11? What did I get 11 what did i get what did i get it's great i feel the same way so mcdonald's or not mcdonald's taco bell had the best recession of any fast food restaurant okay tell me more so in 2008 during the housing crash do you guys
Starting point is 00:31:35 want to go into obama's housing policies so taco bell had the best do i have a choice taco bell had the best recession they are recession proof because they sell so many small ticket items. So are mattresses. What? Mattresses are also recession proof. Are they really? I was told this. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Maybe three years ago. I heard candy in movies, like movie tickets and candy sales. Yeah, movie tickets because people are sad and want to go to the movies. Escapism. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Candy, don't know. Same thing.
Starting point is 00:32:00 People are sad. They need to eat Hershey's Cookies and Cream Bars. But Taco Bell was able to get mine in 2008 and actually explode in growth because they sold so many small ticket items, whereas a place like Pizza Hut really got hurt. Because Pizza Hut's selling, you know, $30 meal deals. But if people are like, look, times are tight. I'm going to buy a bunch of 79-cent cheese roll-ups and 89-cent tacos and get by on that. And so I think right now we're in this weird era where fast food is slowly trying to merge with the real restaurant world,
Starting point is 00:32:28 which is why I think Popeye's sandwich is so interesting because there's no crazy bells and whistles on it. It's not excessively fast foodie. It isn't very average, but good chicken sandwich with basic ingredients that you could find at any sit down restaurant, but they did it very well. So Josh, what's the final answer? Is it overrated or is it not overrated?
Starting point is 00:32:47 Let the people know. By definition, you have to say it's overrated simply for the fact that guns were drawn in parking lots. But outside of that, it's not. It's deserving of all the hype. They did something, I believe, really special that upended the fast food world. And bite for bite, taste for taste,
Starting point is 00:33:02 it is an incredibly tasty sandwich. Well done. and bite for bite, taste for taste. It is an incredibly tasty sandwich. Well done. All right, Nicole, we've heard what you and I have to say. Now it's time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the Twitterverse. It's time for a segment we call
Starting point is 00:33:15 Opinions Are Like Casserole. You guys realized? What? No one asked us to sing or shout that title. Oh. But we've been doing it since day one. Why wouldn't you? But why wouldn't you?
Starting point is 00:33:33 Yeah, I guess I don't know. There's a semicolon written in the script. It could easily just be like, it's time for a segment we call Opinions or Casseroles. But we're saying it together. Yeah. Why wouldn't we sing together? Are both of us just trying to shout over the other one the whole time? I'm singing.
Starting point is 00:33:46 You're shouting. Oh, they're the same thing for me. All right. First up, we got at Will Shrake one. Snack it. This is a long one. Get ready. Snacking tomatoes with a little bit of salt dipped in sour cream is an oddly incredible
Starting point is 00:33:57 treat. You know how every other bite of a chalupa from Taco Bell has no meat? It's just like that, but with less carbs, fat, and calories. This is actually getting at something incredibly deep. Okay, so they're talking about they like dipping tomatoes in salt and sour cream because it reminds them of the condiments of Taco Bell. Because they're talking about the bite of a chalupa that has no meat, which is to say like they're eating, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:19 it's lettuce, cheese, sour cream, tomato is the other things on a chalupa's frame. Yes. And so for them, the memory of sour cream and tomato the other things on a chalupa supreme and so for them the memory of sour cream and tomato plus salt equals taco bell and so they've broken down the flavor formula of taco bell that they enjoy to basically just being tomato sour cream and salt so you're trying to tell me this person is this person's tongue is a super taster tongue and they are geniuses well either that or they're just very tapped into their lizard brain like i was when i was a kid nicole i was a very intuitive child i was an indigo child oh i saw a documentary on those wait is there a documentary it's a vice documentary oh my mom
Starting point is 00:34:54 really believed in that stuff and it scarred me for a little bit oh my god let's talk about childhood trauma later later but anyways uh i i remember just eating a mayonnaise ketchup and lettuce sandwich because i was like this is the flavor of a fast food burger that I enjoy. Lettuce, ketchup, and mayonnaise. I wonder if I've done that with anything before. Yeah, think about it. Because again, it's a lizard brain thing that you don't think about. What are you saying?
Starting point is 00:35:17 Lizard brain? Like lizard. Sorry, Pete Holmes does that in his podcast a lot. Big fan of Pete Holmes. It's like you're maybe not id. I don't know anything about Freudian psychology. But like the part of you that you aren't necessarily conscious of. Like your subconscious is like I don't know why I'm craving.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I got one. I got one. So it's whenever you dip like white bread in tomato sauce and you put an anchovy on it. And that is like puttanesca. Yeah, no, exactly. exactly okay i do that a lot yeah it's like the component parts of a thing you enjoy that you don't want to go through the effort of getting yes yes i do that many a time yeah will shrake you're low-key a genius correct
Starting point is 00:35:56 mask rider 50 pd says grilled cheese with american nutella amazing comfort desert she spelled dessert wrong got him um This is interesting. I feel like we've heard an opinion similar to this before by putting Nutella and cheese together. Whatever floats your boat, man. I understand how this works,
Starting point is 00:36:13 but only with white American grilled cheese. Not with any sort of other kind of cheese. Do white American and yellow American actually taste different? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:21 But I know what you mean. The yellow makes it savory. The white makes it potentially able to be sweet thank you for understanding lizard brain dumb idiot idiot lizard brain you're a dumb idiot lizard brain but so am i um you know how i remember to spell dessert correctly because when you're in the desert it's one s but it's dessert because you want more it's two s yeah pretty much something like a nine-year-old child when i was also a nine-year-old child goes dessert has two s's because it's so good that it deserves more yes yeah and every time i'm like spelling dessert or desert i'm like it deserves more oh
Starting point is 00:36:56 yeah yeah two s's yeah yeah anyways yeah the uh the idea of chocolate and uh cheddar cheese flavor to me makes me a little bit sick yeah i can't do that yeah but like you know how like you have like a wedge of a bay bell cheese baby bell and like trail mix with like chocolate in it yeah i'm not putting baby bell my trail mix but i know what you're talking about you're on the side because they're snacks yeah yeah yeah it's like that's like you're like you went on a like a hike why don't you talk about hikes today it's like you went on a trail and it's like okay time to eat to eat. At the end of the trail, you have beef jerky, you got trail mix and a little piece of processed cheese. The sweaty baby bell.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Yeah. Yeah, I can get down with that. I'm curious to try this, especially with American cheese because it's such a neutral flavor profile that this would just be like a textural smorgasbord for me. So I'm curious in it, but overall skeptical, but again, respect your opinion. At rchasek, fried pickles are only acceptable in their one true form chips with ranch fried pickle spears are just hot garbage literally i agree i had had fried pickles at a barbecue restaurant in san luis obispo called moe's fun oh my god so fun uh and really great place but they were fried pickle chips with ranch and very kind of heavy
Starting point is 00:38:03 batter so you're basically getting fried batter a little bit of sour flavor dipped in the creaminess of the ranch. Fantastic. Then I go to another barbecue restaurant, Lucille's, that is either – who's the blues guitarist? BB King. I've been to Lucille's. There's like a bunch of Lucille's. Yeah, it's a chain or at least a somewhat mini chain regionally. Fox Hills Mall.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Yeah, I went to one in like the Laguna Hills Mall. Yeah, yeah, Fire, Fire. Really – oh, my God. They're like biscuits with like whipped cinnamon apple butter yeah yeah yeah I love everything about Lucille's delicious but I got that I love everything about their except for their fried pickles because they were fried pickle spears and literally I mean hot garbage it is not a good way to fry a pickle
Starting point is 00:38:39 too long too long too long too long but you know what too thick I'm just not a fried pickle person because it wet. It is wet.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Wet, hot. Ow. You know what I mean? Yeah, that you bite in, you get the molten pickle juice in your mouth. Yeah, it doesn't do it for me. It doesn't do it for me. You got to dry the pickles. It's kind of paradoxical because you have to dry the pickles, but the point of a pickle
Starting point is 00:39:02 is that it's wet. Yeah. So you got to dry the pickle before you fry it. I like the pickle because of the juice. Yeah. It doesn't really do it for me when it's deep fried like that. Again, it's like chicken breast.
Starting point is 00:39:12 It takes a lot of skill to fry a pickle properly. Yeah, it's like banchan, you know? It's like, it's like, it's an addition to my meal. It's not the meal. It's, I don't know, whatever. I know what you mean. You're turning like what should be a sort of condiment snack.
Starting point is 00:39:24 To help cut through the fattiness. It is the fattiness. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I get you. I get you. It's polarizing.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Steve Ray 22 says, best french fry style slash type is shoestring. Better than curly, steak cut, crinkle, et cetera. Hands down. Well, Steve, I like curly fries. What you gonna do about it? Get him. Get him, Nicole. Get him.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I used to think that shoestring fries were fancy. I like them, though. You like shoestring fries? I like them when they have truffle and parsley and Parmesan cheese on them. If they don't, I don't really eat them. So you also think they're fancy? I guess. No, I do, too.
Starting point is 00:40:06 Shoestring fries, I only enjoy them eating them like popcorn the way you shovel fistfuls in yes that's the advantage of a shoestring correct you can fist it in your mouth yes you can okay i love shoestring fries insofar as they can be fisted into my mouth yes any other context eating a single shoestring fry eating any less than eight shoestring fries in a single bite is it to me a bad food experience yeah you can't see this right now but i'm doing the finger motion of how i would grab a shoestring fry you go three fingers i go three fingers because these are this is how i this is my tactile this is how i like grab things you see like that's how i grab things i just want a mountain of shoestring fries now i don't know if it's just because i'm hungry yeah but like I want them with truffle oil
Starting point is 00:40:45 and really finely chopped parsley just like sprinkled on top and then some shaved pecorino. Wouldn't that be good? But the pecorino needs to be grated, not shaved because the shave
Starting point is 00:40:54 would like melt over it and it would create this weird cage that I wouldn't enjoy. Okay, next one. Yeah, you want the pecorino to just be gently warmed by the oil of the fries
Starting point is 00:41:01 so it kind of like opens up the aromas but you don't want it to melt. You're so right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I miss restaurants. God, me too. At Spokadin,
Starting point is 00:41:10 snow caps on a fresh little Caesar's Italian cheese bread. The chocolate mixing with the salty butter. I am struggling to perceive this. Hold on. The crunch of the non-pareils under the chewiness of the bread and the mild sweetness of the Italian seasoning. Do people know what snowcaps are?
Starting point is 00:41:29 I don't know, but they're nonpareils. Which is just candy. It's just a hard candy, right? No, no, no. It's chocolate with the tiny little hard candies on the top. Yeah, yeah. They're also called nonpareils. You can get them in a rainbow, too.
Starting point is 00:41:41 But, oh, my God. This is one of the most nauseating takes I've ever seen. Yeah, I can't. Hold on. I was reading this and I was really enjoying it. What? Despite not enjoying for whatever reason, to me, the key here is the crunchiness of the nonpareils. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:41:56 It's the textural contrast of the nonpareils that I think would be a delight. For me, somehow that crunch bridges the gap between the melted chocolate and the oregano. Oh, no. I can't't explain it but it's intuitive snow caps are one of my favorite movie theater snacks it's one of those snacks that you only eat in a movie theater only in a movie theater but oh my gosh this is pro this is the one take out of all takes that has made me the most nauseated i on set little caesar's uh crazy bread is the only change what well no i because i'm imagining this i have not had their italian cheese bread because i exclusively get crazy bread and my favorite thing about little caesar's crazy bread is they serve it to you with ice cold gazpacho yes yes yes yes their sauce for whatever reason they've decided we shan't warm the red sauce that comes
Starting point is 00:42:40 with the crazy bread they leave it ice cold and it is like a gazpacho. Why are you saying gazpacho like gazpacho? Like gazpacho. That's how I pronounce it. It's served with a little gazpacho and I suck the gazpacho off of the hot crazy bread and it's absolutely delicious. And so maybe I'm just riding the high
Starting point is 00:42:56 of Little Caesars bread appetizers. But to me, I like this. I like this. This is a good, yeah. Okay, I need to recoup. Fallout Jerk says, Hidden Valley Ranch is the worst ranch. It's gross. There I said this. I like this. This is a good, yeah. Okay, I need to recoup. Fallout Jerk says, Hidden Valley Ranch is the worst ranch. It's gross.
Starting point is 00:43:08 There I said it. What is in the water today? What is going on? What's a better ranch, huh? A Newman's Own? Wishbone? You know. What?
Starting point is 00:43:18 What is it then? You can't just say it and then follow up and tell me what's the best one. Now I'm going to wonder. And that's not fair. Sometimes, though, I do. No, I know. I don't like that I'm about to say it. Sometimes I eat Hidden Valley Ranch, and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:43:30 I wish it was a little sharper. Aw. You know, it sucks because I've been. It's such a big part of my childhood. It's such a big part of my day-to-day diet now, but there's times that I eat it, and I'm like, I can't eat this without cutting it with hot sauce. Wow.
Starting point is 00:43:44 It just has. I don't know if it's gotten different over the years, if I've changed over the years, but it seems like there's just a little bit too much corn syrupy sweetness in there. And then I'm thinking about like the house made ranch from Outback, which as it turns out is not Cisco Ranch. Oh yeah, I found that out. Yeah. We found that out together. And I'm thinking about that like watery diner ranch that is so good. And I'm like, man, i wish you could just bottle that up you know i i hate to say it but i think that there there may be a gap in the market right now for some
Starting point is 00:44:12 artisanal not even artisanal not even artisanal just good it doesn't need to be artisanal it needs to be a good bottled ranch dressing we've got a tiger oh we found our summer project sorry i pre-shuttered at this one. At Taylor Swift's kid, extra sharp cheddar and candy corn together tastes like cheesecake. I'm going to try this. I'm going to try this. We have extra sharp cheddar and candy corn in the kitchen. Let's go try it.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Let's go try it. That's how you know it's a good opinion. This to me is the quintessentially good opinion casserole. This is a really good opinion casserole. It is absolute lizard brain because it makes sense. Stop saying lizard brain. This is lizard brainessentially good opinion casserole. This is a really good opinion casserole. It is absolute lizard brain because it makes sense. Stop saying lizard brain. It's lizard brain. This is lizard brain defined, right?
Starting point is 00:44:49 That you get like the yeastiness, the bacterial punch of sharp cheddar, the saltiness that you would get from a cream cheese mixed with the intense sweetness of just, I don't know, what is it? Like, like malitol, candy corn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. Because it's not just sugar. It's like a sugar and then a chemical that makes it taste like the delicious chemical that candy corn tastes like because candy corn is
Starting point is 00:45:07 absolutely delicious um yeah taylor swiss kid this is an incredible opinion we can't verify or non-verify it but we about to i'm i'm all about this this is a great opinion well done del farton says i like to cut up my pancakes and put them in a bowl and then i add syrup and mix it in more syrup coverage on them fluffy goodies is where it's at no stacks over here first of all this is a funny this is very well written i'm going to commend you on your scent on your syntax good syntax daily good syntax and uh you know this is a little quirk you got and i accept your quirks and all that may uh happen from the quirk so this is cute. Shout out to friend of the show, Chelsea Ruffalo, who is the first person that I've ever seen to take an entire stack of pancakes
Starting point is 00:45:49 and cut it into squares. And then she douses the whole thing in syrup and butter. And then she has like pre-made. So she doesn't have to like look up from brunch and spend time, you know, looking up to friends and then down to cut her pancakes. She pre-cuts them all. And that to me is what this is getting at. And at first everyone's like, Chelsea, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:46:07 That's weird. But now everyone's just like, hey, yo, this is the best way to eat pancakes. I don't like pancakes. I like waffles. What? Is that consistent with the opinions on our pancakes versus waffles?
Starting point is 00:46:21 I don't remember if I'm being honest. We say too many things in the show. I don't like pancakes right now. Yeah, Maggie, we'll do an alt take. One of Nicole saying, I don't like waffles. I like pancakes. One of her saying, just to be consistent. Because who knows?
Starting point is 00:46:36 Shut up, silly. Well, thank you for stopping by. Hot Dog is a podcast. Today we're a podcast. Tomorrow might be ranch dressing. If you want to hear more from us here in the Mythical Kitchen, we got new episodes for you every Wednesday. If you want to be featured on Opinions or Like Casseroles, you can hit us up on Twitter at MythicalChef or at NHendizadeh with the hashtag OpinionCasserole. And for more Mythical Kitchen, check us out on YouTube where we launch new videos every week.
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Starting point is 00:47:11 what's stopping us? Nothing. Nothing. you

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