A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - What's the Worst First Date Foods? ft. Angela Kinsey & Joshua Snyder

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

Today, Josh is joined by actress Angela Kinsey and her husband – a fellow Josh – to talk all things date foods, from what to eat to things you should steer clear of. **This podcast episode was recorded after Nicole left on maternity! She will still be in a few more episodes this year, so don't worry!** Leave us a voicemail at (833) DOG-POD1 Check out the video version of this podcast: http://youtube.com/@mythicalkitchen To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is a hot dog as a sandwich. Cetchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. your host Josh Sharon, joining me today, our husband and wife, cooking and baking

duet, Angela Kinsey, and Joshua are both actors who host a YouTube cooking channel together called Baking with Josh and Ange in their cookbook. You Can Make This Is Out Now. Everyone give them a warm welcome to the podcast. It's just two of us. Look at those, Shana Putnam's, those beautiful smiling faces on the cookbook, mazzletov, by the way. Thank you so much. We were pretty excited when we finally got it and got to hold it and look at it.

Yeah, I mean, after so much time working on it, it was to actually hold a physical copy was, like, so gratifying. So we had to bring one today to show you. I love it so much. I mean, tell me about how that process was for you. What made you two want to write a cookbook together? Because I've been watching y'all bake on YouTube for years, especially, you know, having former office stars on there, like Rain Wilson,

two friends of the show, Brian Baumgartner. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, thank you for watching our YouTube channel. God bless. Very mom and pop. Just us kind of throwing things up in the kitchen. Trying to figure out how to work a camera and a microphone. You know, sound and video ourselves.

Josh just was always making stuff for us and the kids. And he's just a natural in the kitchen. And I really always say the kitchen is the heart of our home. And we were a blended family. It's very much how all of our early family memories were. And I just said to him, I was like, babe, you're really good at this. you should have like a, you know, do it on YouTube, bake for people, share your gift. That's very sweet.

And then he was like, I'm not doing this without you. And I was like, all right, I just kind of, I just, I taste things and I chat. Yeah, I grew up in the kitchen with my, you know, my grandma and my mom. So I was always in the kitchen helping with recipes and things. So I was very comfortable in the kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. Josh is the only boy in a house full of sisters.

And so he was just, they always put him to work. Yeah. And I was the youngest. I have three older sisters, and they kind of shooed me out of the kitchen. So that's kind of like our life experience. He was always baking, and I was just always being a goofball. Yeah, especially when we had kids, you know, when I had kids, then that whole love of baking and of, like, you know, creating things for them, especially like I started with their birthday

cakes and cookies. Yeah. And just I realized I really enjoyed it at that point, too. Well, also we would like, you know, when your kids are little, for those of you guys that have little kids, they'll want a theme birthday. So it's like, you know, a Disney princess or Nizago or, you know, something. And then you go and you look at what those cakes cost if you want a really cool theme cake and they're expensive. And Josh is just kind of a roll up your sleeves kind of guy. And he's like, I think I can do it.

And I'm like, seriously, you can make a Minecraft cake really? I feel like Minecraft cake, at least Minecraft tends to deal in squares, which... Squares, yeah. I'm true. I had to Google what a Nizago was. I'm officially old and out of touch with the kids. I don't have kids of my own yet. Did you ever successfully make a Nizago cake?

Yes. Yes, I did. I did. Yes. It wasn't too bad either. I mean, anything Lego is pretty, you know, block. Yeah, yeah. So it wasn't too bad.

He also, though, one year, our daughter Isabel wanted, you know, her, she wanted her first kind of big sleepover birthday. and everyone, she wanted, like, the party favor to be a pair of slippers for her friends. And so he made a cake that looked like a pair of pink, fuzzy slippers, like on top of the cake. I know. I know. It's fun for me, too. And, you know, I come by this naturally.

My dad always made cakes when, you know, we were kids too. Was he a professional baker at all? No, no. Just a dude-loving. I think they like the science of baking and, like, you like to build. stuff. We also like completing the project, too. I like to reverse engineer things and try and figure out things work and then, you know, to finish it. And I love to taste things. And you need the two. Like you can't cook something without a taste tester and without somebody who's incredibly

gracious. So both you have equally important roles in the kitchen. And then somebody to figure out the video and audio, but that's a whole separate issue. I wish. I wish. That would be helpful. I mean, I love so much about that story is that cooking, it's so cliche at this point, but, like, especially as I've gotten older and I guess I've gotten more sappier and cliche as a person, it's like understanding that it really is about love. It's like showing somebody that you care enough to put in that effort to make the fuzzy slippers too. I imagine you had one of those really like needlepoint piping bags, piping individual hairs on top of it. Like, it's that effort that goes into cooking that shows somebody like, hey, I've listened to you, I care about you, I know what you want.

And it sounds like those stories are kind of littered all throughout your lives and the cookbook. Absolutely. I mean, this is definitely, I know for me personally, it's like it's the way I show love to people. You know, just making dinner at night for the whole family, you know. That's a way for me to kind of show them that I care. Yeah, yeah. Well, today we are talking about a little bit of love, but also the snafus in where that love can go wrong. Because we want to talk about the worst first date foods.

Because I understand that cooking and eating because you come from blended families and You know, got kids running around. It's hard to actually sneak out and go on the proper date night. But you talk about in the book, you know, cooking for each other as a nice date. Did you ever have anything go wrong in those moments? I mean, you know, the first, that soup I made, Josh, I made him that I found out he likes soup. The man loves soup. Oh, my goodness.

It's soup season, too. So I'm like, I'm so excited. Did you know soup has a season? Well, I'll tell you what, because I made my first soup of the season yesterday. And I went, it's soup season. And then my wife rightly pointed out, it's 98. degrees outside. And I said, okay, but on the calendar, it's soup season. Yeah, yeah. You guys might end up being best friends. Southern California is different. Soup season, you get like a month and a half.

I know. But when we were dating, I was like, well, I mean, if I'm going to, you know, give him the razzle-dazzle recipe, it's got to be a soup recipe. I hope you looked at yourself in the mirror and said, come on, and give him the old razzle-dazzle of soup. But I did. I made him this big pot of soup. And there wasn't a snafu that day, but if he could have seen my kitchen, which he didn't, because I brought him the pot of soup, and it was like, I mean, disaster, chaos, things everywhere. I don't know how he makes a recipe in the kitchen looks so neat. He, like, cleans as he goes, which is amazing. I'm pretty particular about how I like to do things.

I get everything ready beforehand, you know, kind of that mees and plaz, you know, I have everything ready to go. and then as I'm cooking, I'm cleaning. So by the time I'm done, it's like the kitchen's clean. My razzle-dazzle gets everywhere, okay? That's what happens. A little razzle here, a little dazzle there. When you cook, it's like letting confetti go in New Year's.

Exactly. It's so funny. Yeah, when I cook in the kitchen, and I haven't had a ton of actual professional cooking experience. I worked in kitchens for a little bit, but I've just been doing food media stuff forever. But I take such immense pride in the, if you have time to lean, you have time to clean. And so, like, I'm cooking in my own kitchen, and I'm like, I have 30 seconds on

that pan before I have to do the old saute flip. I can, like, rinse that, get it over in the drying rack. And so I appreciate the dogged mentality. But I also love the razzle-dazzle. He feels seen right now. Thank you. Thank you, Joshua. Anytime. Are there any, like, date foods that really stood out to both you, like, in your story, like things either of you made for each other, you know, maybe early on in your relationship or you're like, this is when I knew that, you know, this person was someone very, very special to me.

Hmm. Well, I mean, that soup was a big one for me. I mean, honestly, like, when I, but then he, didn't. I was like, I was like, wow, this, this person gets me and I'm going to get such delicious dinners all the time. He thought I was going to be like soup making gal. And I was like, I can make one soup.

What was in the soup? Do you remember the details about the soup? Yes. Yes, I do. It's like a wedding soup. So it's, you have minced, like chicken meatballs that you make and you roll them in like breadcrests, you know. And then you have onions and tomato and spinach that, oh, no, sorry, kale, kale that you saute. And then you add in some red wine and some chicken broth and you just kind of let that all cook. And, oh, beans. He loves beans. You love beans. And it's so funny because no one in my family likes beans. Like me and the kids. We're not big bean people.

I have to like, you know, make something different for myself sometimes. Do you like wait? Okay, so my wife is actually allergic to beans, but she also doesn't like him. And her, you know, my mother-in-law lives right across the street. We cook for her a lot. And she also just doesn't like beans. I love beans. And so I like wait for my wife to go out of town.

And that's my version of like going out with the boys is like I'm cooking a pot of beans. Let's do it. And I'm going crazy. He does that. If I have like, oh, hey, babe, I have to work late, you know, and he's like, oh, great. He makes his, like, he has this like, I don't know what you call that, your burrito mix. And he's dumping all kinds of beans in it. Well, that's the thing is, like, when I make the turkey burritos for the family, you know, I have to leave out the beans.

I'm very, you know, or make them on the side, but it's not as good. But when, you know, everyone's gone, it's just me. He goes bean crazy. Like black beans, loading it up. Yeah. Josh, I think you and I are living parodels. lives to each other. I know. I have my like, Julia's going out of town beans in the cupboard. And I have them like earmarked for her. I think she's leaving for New York in like four

days. And yeah, I'm going to go buy some flour tortillas. And that's awesome. Yeah. That's so funny. And Josh, you know, one of the, I think one of the times when my heart just kind of melted was I watched him work so hard on this cake, not even for us, for a friend's daughter. And they reached out and they said, and they were definitely on a tight budget that year. And they wanted Elsa, you know, from Frozen cake. And he made this cake with like a staircase, like the, you know, the ice staircase that Elsa comes down when she sings her song. And he made this cake. And he took so much time to figure out how to build it. And I saw what it meant to that little girl and what it meant to the parents. And I was like, oh my gosh, this person has just got such a good heart. And

okay, I'll make you soup for the rest of my life. The Italian wedding soup, to be clear, that is a much more involved soup than I thought it was going to be. So I see how the dazzle dazzle-dazzle spread across the room. Everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Yes. It really is. It's a lot of prep. A lot of prep. I don't know. I didn't know what I was taking on. But it's still something now, You know when you're really proud when you can make a recipe without the recipe? Yeah. Like when you can make a dish. And I can make that without the recipe.

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And I'm Michael Arsino, author of the New York Times bestseller, I Can't Date Jesus. And this is Undomesticated. The podcast, where we aren't just saying the quiet parts out loud, we're putting it all on the kitchen table and inviting you to the function. If you're ready for some bold takes and a little bit of chaos, welcome to Undomesticated. Follow and listen to Undomesticated, available wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, my wife, when she and I started dating, Josh, I don't know if you've found this, but especially like as a man, it's less expected for you to cook.

And so when you can demonstrate that, to me it's always been like, oh, I have the ultimate ace in a hole right here, you know, and even in college, I would like invite girls over and I would cook way too pretentious meals that they were not impressed by it all. But inside my own head, I was just like, you're killing it right now. now, man. She's going to love the lamb chops with polenta and mushroom fricasse on a Friday night. But when my wife and I started dating, she was sick early on, and she talked about how she loved chicken tortilla soup. And I, we actually just shot an episode at my favorite Wahawken restaurant where they straight up, like, illegally import these beautiful toasted corn tortillas from Wohaka.

And so I, like, saved some of those. And I just got the best chicken that money could buy and, like, you know, chilies imported for Mexico. And I just put everything I had into this bowl. of ornately garnished chicken tortilla soup and she like remembered it so much that it's she eventually like made a hand drawn portrait of it because she does art

and I forbid her from cooking because her razzle dazzle is extreme there's like a quarter cup of rice and raw chicken on the ground every time she cooks and I don't know how it happens but uh but yeah so that's like you know one of those things that lives forever in like the lore

of our relationship So in the relationship, are you more of the person that goes behind her and put things away? Like, you know, because I know for the, like, for me, like the dishwasher is like sacred to me, you know? I'm like, you're doing it wrong. Okay. You're not doing it my way. You're doing it wrong. And you can't do it my way.

Well, what I didn't know until we were married is that Josh played Tetris, like, as a child. And he looks at the dishwasher like a game of Tetris. So he's like, bam, bam, bop. And I also have those grocery bags that are like the box grocery bags. So like I prefer to bag my own groceries wherever I go. Because he packs it like. So I'm like I got it. Josh, what do you say you have control issues and Angela?

How does that make you feel? Listen, I'm not like like going to bed every night being like, oh, can I please load the dishwasher tomorrow and I. I'm just like great. I'm like, babe, if you want the dishwasher, it is all yours. I enjoy. I win. When either of you are cooking, do you prefer to have help from the other person? Or do you prefer to just be left completely alone?

Because this is... I prefer company. Yes. I don't necessarily need, like, help, help. Like, I'd rather, like, I kind of have my system. So I do, sometimes, if I have a lot of vegetables to cut or something, I'll ask for help. But I prefer, like, having people with me in the kitchen. Yeah.

You know, to hang out. Yeah. I like to be, you know. So I'll get a text. You know, we sort of did that thing where we converted the garage into like a home office kind of thing. So I'll be out there doing some emails and I'll get a text from him that just says five o'clock. And that means I'm starting dinner prep. Come on in.

But it's actually my favorite time because that's if you have a busy household and kids and work and everything, that's our time as a couple where we hang out, we talk about the day. We kind of have that in the morning over a cup of tea, cup of coffee. coffee, like, here's my day. But that end of the day, especially like on like a Friday, you have a glass of wine. I put out cheese and crackers. I'm that person. And then, and then we just chat and he cooks. And you heard that right, five o'clock. So we have dinner like at 5.30. Yeah. I was going to ask that is that a kid's thing or that's just like a lifestyle change? Well, it started as a kid's thing. And now, now we actually prefer it. We're senior citizens now. we just are so used to it. But you know what? You don't go to bed full. You know, that feeling where you

eat late. So now sometimes we had like a work thing the other night and the dinner started at eight. And I was like, eight. Who are you people? I will be respectfully not attending as this is not kind of. While we were at the dinner, my phone has the little chime at 1030 that says this is your bedtime. I was like, what do we doing? This is way too late. Listen, I yearn for those days. As somebody who I can feel my age just rapidly ascending, roughly at the same linear rate that everyone else's is, but I feel like I'm feeling it harder, you know what I mean? The other day, we were shooting something,

and I tried to jump into frame and hurt my knee. And so I'm not athletic enough to film YouTube videos anymore, and so now I, like, yearn for the days of 5.30 dinner as we still eat at 8 p.m. every night. Oh, yeah. I couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. You'll get there, buddy.

I'll get there. Hopefully, God willing. I love what you said about how. having somebody to keep you company in the kitchen. Because my favorite thing to do is not talk to my wife. Well, I like talk to my wife when I'm not cooking. I love talking to my wife. But when I'm cooking dinner, I'm generally very locked in.

And I'm trying to, like, you know, really keep everything moving. But that's the time when she can, like, complain about work. If any of Julia's coworkers are listening, she loves her job. But, you know, at the end of the day, she can just, I think in competitive debate, they call it spreading, where you just say as many words as fast as possible to try and confuse your opponent, and she just kind of spreads, and I'm there taking it all in, letting it wash over me, just, you know, trying to, you know, peel and chop carrots. And it's beautiful. Yeah. I love that, too. I mean, I, I, you like to talk to. So, so I do the same thing.

I'm just kind of listen to her galas. I debate spread. I enjoy it, though. Yes, yes. I really enjoy it. I'm like, let me tell you, did you see those people that moved in four doors down? I mean, I don't know what they're thinking with putting on a silver gate. No one has a silver gate in this neighborhood. Just reading the next door in Citizen App updates. Yes. Suspicious person walking around. What are they doing walking in this neighborhood?

Yeah. All right, we got to talk about the worst first date foods. I'm a terrible podcast host and forgot to actually talk about what the podcast is about. No, I appreciate you. That's great. Do you guys have any opinions about the worst first date foods? You know what? So you guys emailed us this prompt that we were going to talk about today.

and I was actually cracking up at how quickly we both had very strong thoughts. And I don't think we've ever talked about it before, really. But I told him, I was like, I know what you're going to say. Because one time... I do have a couple, but like this one in particular is really like off-putting for me first thing. So for our anniversary, we usually, you know, Josh's mom is so lovely. When the kids were younger, she'd come out, watch the kids. And we would go to drive up to wine country.

You know, it's just like a two-hour drive and stayed a little. bed and breakfast kind of thing but we usually are trying to get out of town so we eat lunch on the go you know like we'll get sandwiches for the car ride and we were we stopped at this little sandwich shop and I said oh I'd love a tuna fish sandwich like on a subway and he was like I'm sorry are we are we not kissing later are we not kissing and I was like I was like I mean I would brush my teeth I know but he says it doesn't matter it doesn't matter you still smell like cat breath. No.

Interesting. Like the tuna fish for me, like the cat lady smelling like cat breath. Something about it, I can just, it lingers. So no tuna fish if there's going to be any canoodling. Wait, Angela, how would you feel if he had eaten a tuna fish sandwich? I guess I would just trust him to mouthwash. I don't know. This is a very good point.

I hadn't thought it through. I would. I would, but I would not eat tuna fish either. No, you wouldn't. I'm so glad you have strong opinions about this because I have strong. wrong opinions about this as well. I've said something similar before and our audience says gladly let me know that I'm disgusting and in the vast minority here. I have a weird pet peeve where I don't want my romantic partner to, this sounds like a fetish at this point.

It's not. I don't want my romantic partner to mouthwash or brush their teeth before any canoodling because to me I'm like, I sort of want this to be, yeah, Maggie's literally cracking up right now. I want this to be something that's like in the moment. We've both been living our fold. days, eating the foods that we've wanted throughout the day, whether it's a roasted garlic tuna sandwich, that's totally fine. You know why? I like roasted garlic and tuna, and I love you, and I love canoodling with you in your full self. Like, I swear to God, it's an actual peppy. If somebody, like, you start to kiss, and then they go one second and they come back smelling like peppermint, I'm like, no, I want the spontaneity and the tuna.

I feel like this is very earthy of you. It's very, like, kind of like Bohemian. He's like, I want the smell, your smell. Like right in the morning, morning breath, give it all to me. Yes, actually, actually yes, but I promise this is not I'm staring directly into the camera here. I promise this is not like a weird fetish because there are those people that are like, hey, don't shower

for three days. That's not me. That's not me at all. I just want you to have lived your life. And actually, Roy Cho, the chef, talked about this with Anthony Bourdain in the L.A. episode of, I believe, no reservations or the layover. Again, I'm confused. But he talks about how it's a lot more common in

Korean dating culture to go for like a full night of drinking and eating like spicy garlic chicken gizzards and getting super full and then just going home and canoodling. And I like, I love that so much. Roy Toad does not speak for all Korean people, but I kind of, I love that because I don't know, have you all been in situations where if you were dating somebody, you'd go on a first date to a nice restaurant and then both of you were just completely holding back on your orders for like reasons of trying to be, you know, proper, trying to not smell like a certain way. I mean, clearly, I guess I don't hold back. I just order what I want. I mean, sure. Yeah,

I think so. I mean, I think I would not eat certain like Brussels sprouts or something that's going to be really gassy, you know. I don't know. I still like the way I feel, you know. I love, I love them. I don't like the way I just like you're bloating. You're bloating through the nice shirt that you wore the buttons you start by myself. I'm fine. You know, I'll be good. But like, I feel awkward. No brussels sprouts. I, as far as like, I don't really care about the food, but I am a little clumsy. So if, depending on what I'm wearing, if what I have to eat has several moving parts,

if there's a tiny fork and I have to pick something out or take legs off something or, like, have different utensils, and I might end up wearing it. It's part of the razzle dazzle. that it happens on myself. I think you should just wear the plain white shirt and then just go to town and then it's almost like a Jackson Pollock painting. Exactly. Again, I guess that's very crunchy and earthy of me as well.

No, wear the Chinese hot pot all across. Yeah, wear it all. Get it in our bed. It's going to be so awesome. I was, so I mentioned, no, I'm not going to bring up my ex again. But I was in like a six-year relationship from like 21 to, like, like 27 and so I had never dated in like the adult dating world like since college and suddenly I was thrust into it and I was like I don't really know how to do this but I decided very early on

that going to a restaurant food is such a big part of my life and so are restaurants that I wasn't going to hold anything back because at this point I'm trying to find a person that wants to be with me for for me your true self yeah all of my disgusting habits and so I like to call the first date a stress test where it's like, hey, we're going to get crab legs. You're going to see how this is going to go. We're eating like Korean, again, with the Korean, fermented chili crab. You know, I need to see how you react to this because this is going to be a big part of our lives. And I did have one person I went on a date with go, oh, so food is like, your thing. And I went, like, get out, I'll pay. Just we don't. We don't have to finish this. We can stop.

Yeah. It's over. It's over. Yeah. I'm an adventurous eater. I mean, I grew up in Indonesia and I was really excited. We went back there with our kids last summer and they were like trying foods that aren't, you know, normally in our diet. And they did great. They did. Yeah. I mean, there's a few times we went to like some street, some street food that we had the prawn on a, you know, with the legs on the stick. In Singapore. That was so good, though. It was so good. I'm just like picking it apart. Yeah, she's like, I had no idea you grew up in Indonesia until I read it in the book. When did you move to the U.S.? When I was 14. That's like a proper upbringing, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So I moved to Jakarta when I was two. And so that's my whole childhood is Southeast Asia. Do you ever like cook Southeast Asian food? Yes, actually. So when we went there, I was telling the kids a few of the dishes I sort of grew up on. And one of them was Nasei Goring, which means fried rice, right? And we just had it all the time.

And when we went there, they loved it. Absolutely loved it. And when we got back home, Josh was like, I think I can make this. But we didn't have, I don't know, you didn't have like all the, like a walk or so you made it on a sheet pan. Yeah, well, I just made it a sheet pan because I love sheet pan. He loves anything on a sheet pan. I do have a walk. He just don't.

Oh, we do? It's not anywhere. You would find it. You know what? Here's the thing. I do have it. If it's up high, I'm not going to see it. You have lots of things you don't know about.

He's a lot taller than me, and everything is up high. So I'm just like, I guess that's in the, I don't know, place. Yeah, my secret beans are literally up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But he made this fried rice on a sheet pan, and it's so good, and the kids love it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

It was good. And they ate Nasi Goren probably every meal. It was when we were, yeah, in Indonesia, they loved. I loved it. I do think Nassi Goring is like the world's best fried rice. Like we actually had an episode where we cooked fried rice from all around the world. And like Indonesian food, it's the fourth largest country on earth. And we have so little of it in L.A., which, you know, I always think of L.A. is you can travel the entire globe within the city.

I know. But there's not that much. There's not. There was a restaurant in, I think, Culver City for a while. I don't know if it's still there. But, you know, depending where you live in L.A., it's like so, like in traffic, it takes so long. Are you talking about Simpong? Simpong Asia?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think, yes. Mm-hmm. I loved it. I used to go. I went to UCLA and I used to go there because we were in West L.A.

Yeah. And then I ended up on my 30th birthday having it in Venice. And frankly, I don't advocate binge drinking, but I was too drunk to read. And the font on the menu at Simpong is very ornate. And a lot of the Indonesian foods wasn't super familiar with. And so I just told the chef to, quote, fuck me up. And, yeah, and it was just one of the best meals of my life. This dude just sending out anything, we handed him a credit card and said,

don't know how much he charged us, but we were so happy. Oh, gosh. Yeah. That's amazing. Oh, it's making me want to go there. I hope it's still there. As of roughly three years ago, if my math is correct, it was still there, unless I inadvertently shut it down.

Unless you closed it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we were pretty respectful, but I think so much of like the wet foods to eat on a day, comes down to are you trying to present the best version of yourself or are you trying to present the real version of yourself and I'm curious where you two come down on that spectrum especially in the early stages of dating well it's been so long I think since we've actually dated that you know I would say like you like for you too I when I when I first started dating yeah it was probably like I wanted to an enhanced version of myself you know I want to clean things up and make sure I was

yeah doing the right things but I think part of me actually is that way anyway you know like I I find that I'm thoughtful about the other person I feel like I think more about like you know I want to make sure they have a good experience yeah yeah you know it's less about me but more about them so I don't want to like do anything you know it makes me happy to have them have a happy experience. Yeah, that's very, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I feel like when I met Josh, you know, I was just pretty much my fully realized self, you know.

And we were older when we met and had sort of worked out some of the stuff that you're trying to figure out in your 20s that spill over into your 30s. And I felt really good about myself where I was at just in life at that time. And so I think I brought that into meeting him of just kind of like, this is who I am. And you get what you get. And I hope you like it because I'm good with it. Well, we also both had, you know, we both had kids. You know, it was different. Yeah.

When we were living for them at that point, too. So we've really been looking for a partner, you know, so it just happened so organically. And, yeah, I don't know. But food was a big part of our whole courtship, really. Yeah. Just because our kids went to preschool together. So I'd be constantly bringing stuff over treats and things. And she'd bring me soup once, you know, and that was.

And I think, too, just, you know, when you're dating and you have kids, a lot of our dates just were in our kitchen because we couldn't, you know, go out, so we would just be hanging out in the kitchen together. And it's no surprise to me that that's where we still reconnect after all these years. Yeah, that's so beautiful. I think anytime somebody talks about food and dating, the food is always just, it's a metaphor. It's like a microcosmets. Are you listening to what your partner actually wants and needs, and are you communicating that right back? And sometimes what your partner wants and needs, It smells like tuna, and I think that's beautiful.

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You ready? Yep. All right, this is from at Jesse L. 9525. Jesse L. 9524 was taken. Listen, the cliche growing up a woman is to order a salad on a date so that you look like you care about being healthy in your body. And I love salad, but I don't think I've ever been able to eat a salad gracefully ever in my life. There's always pieces of lettuce that are too big or the dressing is too drippy or there's an ingredient you can't get on your fork without either propelling it away or having to spoon it onto the fork. It just stresses me out so much.

Great communicative writing with intonation in there by Jesse. Yeah. Yeah, Jesse, I would say order what you like to eat. Order what makes you happy. And I do love a salad. If you love a salad, order a salad. But, yeah, you're right. Sometimes you try to put a fork in a crouton and it shoots across the restaurant.

I would say a tip, if you do want to order a salad, if that's what you like, is just to get the dressing on the side, too. And cut up that lettuce and dip it. Dip. splatters and stuff. So if you can just dip it what you want in your fork and then, you know. But honestly, Jesse,

eat what you want to eat. Let them know who you are. Get the burger. Get the burger. Get the burger is like the absolute metaphor for dating. It's funny, if I went on a date with somebody and I saw them

cut up their salad and dip it into their dressing individually, I'm not saying it's a complete disqualifier. This is what I do, Josh? Josh, I just don't think we're compatible. I think we have a lot of similarities, a lot of things in common. You never know.

I just don't know if we should date. But, man, that's so funny. Tidy, very tidy. Messy. As we've discussed, I am just completely disgusting. And I, again, would be my full self. I love a, I just love a wet salad, something that's just covered in some sort of, like, a ranchy goodness.

And I just shove it in my face, and it just paints the corner of my mouth. And you're going to have to deal with it. But I get it. A lot of pressures on a date to order seven. Yeah. Yeah. This is a good one from at P.B. and Nutella. Great combo.

The worst thing to order on a first date is that third drink. Oh, agree. Agree. I don't know. Josh is here. Josh is here. I mean, it depends what stage in my life it was. I mean, now that would be a terrible idea.

You just get tired. I just get tired. You just get tired. I fall asleep. But, you know, I don't know. Sometimes it depends where you're at, you know. Yeah. Because I think the first day can be a little nerve-wracking, you know.

And so sometimes it takes a few to loosen up depending on your tolerance. Also, three drinks is very different for some people versus others. True. Like, you know, not to be the reformed frat guy with a heart of gold. That was never actually in a frat. But 20-year-old Josh is a lot different than, you know, whatever I am now. He used to found him. But I will say you can tell a lot about somebody by how they drink on a date.

And I will never forget, in my brief, single adult dating period, I showed up to a date and this person had gotten there like 20 minutes early and they were already on their third drink before I showed up. No, no. And they had the empty drinks on the table as I showed up and I was like, oh, something's a miss. And then, yeah, we dated for like four weeks and it was one of the most chaotic periods of my life. But again, that was 20s. That was 20s job. Sure. You got to do that before you get to the restaurant. You got a couple before you go, then they wouldn't even know. You make yourself one drink while you're getting ready, trying to figure out your hair,

looking at YouTube tutorials, and then on your way out, as you're going to see the Uber, you run back to your bar, take a swig, and then you go. Yeah. Okay. We're back. We have the same. Terrible idea. Public service announcement.

Do not listen to 20-something Josh's. That's actually probably a very universal truth, if we're being honest. Yeah. Our name attracts a personality type. and I'll leave it that Here we go At Izuri 1, 2, 3 Edamame

when you've only ever had it served shelled before This person's This is a baby shoes Never worn situation So edamame When you've only ever had it shelled So this person has never

encountered edamame in the shell Oh And something must have happened Like at a restaurant Like you just have it shelled Ready to like spoon? I guess like if you've had Like if you go to like a pokey restaurant

and they'll just like throw the loose edamama on there. That's true. But like encountering a food that you've never eaten before on a date, that's actually an interesting conundrum. Yeah. I mean, I love edamomame shelled because it's salty on the outside and it's so good. But yeah, a food you've never had before. It might be like the etiquette thing with it, you know, like where you discarding, like how do I do

this? Do I, you know, do I take them out first and then put them in? Yeah, do you just scrape your teeth? I scrape the teeth. It's kind of like the, what's the, I can't think of, artichoke, too. Oh, I remember the first time I had an artichoke at a restaurant, I was like, I don't know. Do I do it? Do I eat the spikies?

Yeah. Do I eat the whole thing or do I scrape it off? You know, I didn't know idea. The first time I had sushi at a restaurant, I picked up the whole green wasabi and put it in my mouth. Because I thought it was. Champion. I thought it was part, it was in a little container. and I literally thought I was going to pass out.

I was like, oh, my eyes were watering. I could not get enough, like, to drink. I was like, ah. Yeah, not a bad idea. If you go into a spot that might have edamame or wasabi and you're not familiar, might be worth of Google. Yeah. Might be worth of Google.

Maybe ask somebody before you scoop it up. Actually, you know, there's so much information now about, you know, I feel like there's no excuse. You got to look it up. Yeah, 100%. I will say, I was not on a date. I was with my brother. and he and I are both really, really into food,

and we went to a restaurant where they had a special that was like whole-grilled fava beans in the shell. It was like a nice, fancy restaurant, but hipster to where they would just serve whole-grilled fava beans in the shell. And they serve them, and they look like giant atomate. I'd never seen fava beans in the shell. And we asked the server,

hey, do we eat the shell, or we take the beans out? And they go, uh, and that pause let me know that they weren't confident. And they go, some people eat the shell and we said that's good enough for us and so we're eating the shells

and we're like taste good it's a little stringy and then the chef comes out and just looks at our plate of eating shells and goes oh no

and we went oh no yeah it turns out we weren't supposed to eat the shells I was like they're kind of hairy if I'm being honest oh my gosh

did you have some issues later I think I've eaten I think I'm like a goat at this point where I've just eating so much garbage. Oysters from shopping cards, chicken sashimi. I've done it all. It's indestructible. Chicken sashimi, ah.

Yeah, you don't need to find it. There's one spot that serves it illegally down in Torrance. It's just fine. I have to go with the worst thing on our first date being very rich frozen custard. It was a stand with no bathroom nearby. Let's just say I never forgot the panic of that evening. This is about knowing your body and how it responds to foods on dates. Oh. I mean, yeah, that probably didn't work out well later, right?

I can't imagine it did. But Josh, you were talking about avoiding beans on dates or anything, Brussels sprouts. Yeah, just anything that would make me like gassy, yeah, for sure. Wait, it was a frozen custard, did you say? This is frozen custard. I'm guessing they are one of the growing lactose intolerant community. Right, right. Got it.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You got to avoid that. Right. I mean, you've got to not put yourself in a situation. Yeah. It's got to be like a, like a sorbet place. I'll say a lot of places have great vegan options now. Yeah. I think you kind of know. Know your body. Know your body. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did. I think the only truly bad date I'd ever been on. God bless my date. She had, she had IBS and I didn't know that. And it had already been going really, really poorly. This is a person that I just met at the day. gym and I found out that both being into lap pulldowns is not a good foundation for a relationship, but she did have great form. But anyways, I'm like at this point, I'm trying to kind of nuke the date. I'm trying to indicate that this is going poorly and we don't have anything in common. But I didn't have the courage just to say, hey, I think we should go our separate

ways. And at some point, she kind of like just goes, I have to go to the bathroom and she grabs her purse and puts it over her shoulder and storms out and I wait eight minutes to like you know see if she's coming back or if that was her just ghosting and leaving the date which is totally fair play at that point because I was trying to nuke the conversation

but she left her jacket and so eight minutes had passed and so I grab her jacket and I walk it up to the host stand and say hey my date left but forgot her jacket if she comes back is what she looked like but as I'm taking her jacket up to the host stand she walks out of the bathroom I'm now 10 and a half minutes later, because I did put my timer on, which I guess says more about me than this person.

And then she goes, are you trying to steal my jacket? And I said, are you, were you pooping on the date? What's going on? I'm very confused. And then we parted. So the point is, life happens on dates. Life happens. Oh, my gosh.

And I was trying to steal her jacket. It was nice. It was leather. Yeah, leather jacket. You wanted the jacket. It was all about the jacket. This is during soup season in L.A. It was the six weeks.

it was cold, you can actually wear a jacket. It was wonderful. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. No, I think you just have to, like, not take a risk with food on a date, maybe, that you know could not go well for your body. If you have an allergy, this is not the time. You know, if, like, things have not gone well for you before with that food group. Don't do it.

I'm all for trying new foods, but know your body. And let's, you know what, on a first date. not a safe space. You don't know the other person. If you're going to need to go to the bathroom for eight minutes, you've got to do it with someone you love. Truly, truly, because they might steal your jacket. They might try to steal your jacket.

All right, this is an interesting one from Max B. LaFlair, ordering anything from the kids menu. If y'all were on a date with somebody and they ordered... Okay, no, I didn't. Now it feels like I'm attacking you specifically, Angela and I feel bad. No. It doesn't bother me, honestly.

It's cheaper, usually. So that's always nice. Well, here's the thing. So on the set of the office, our amazing caterer, Sergio, you know, sometimes the portions would be kind of big for me. So I would say, like, I would order a breakfast burrito, but I would say, can I have half of it? Because I don't want to waste it, right? I don't want to waste it. So it became a thing that you could order anything on the menu on the set of the office and say,

but I wanted Angie size. That's so funny. That's what he called it. That meant half, half a cassidia, half a hamburger, Angie size. So I tend to like, I'm not a big person, you know. So I like the smaller burgers and the smaller like. And sometimes the kids when you has, you know, it's like the same thing. Yeah.

I don't do it all the time, Josh. But definitely at like a burger. Y'all are married. Like I, and both of you seem to have, you know, great. communication about this. But you go out with a dinner of five to a restaurant, you know, and the kids are off the kid's menu, and my wife is, I'm like, this is not a bad. I'm not always, I'm not always on the kids menu.

I was saying there's been a situation that's like, I'm okay with this. Like, Bill is like, you know. Definitely for me, breakfast or like a burger type place, I love a kids menu because, like, I don't need four pancakes. I'm good with two pancakes. Yeah. And I don't need the giant burger. Like, I'm good with the kids burger.

You don't only order off the kids' menu, but you invented the kids' menu on the set of the office. I guess I did. That's incredible. Did Sergio just, you know, threw away the half tortillas that she, you know, didn't use. No, he didn't. He reused them for other things. The tortillas are living on a farm now when they're happy. So we're doing half a tortilla.

I never thought about that. I didn't need to start a fight here. Angela and Josh, y'all are absolutely incredible. Thank you so much for joining me today. Check out their book. You can make this. You got anything else to plug? No, just our cookbook.

We love it. It's got like all kinds of amazing recipes. And speaking of Brussels sprouts, it's got a honey, serratia Brussels sprout that is amazing. Oh, hell yeah. And it's got tons of like our just little family moments. Those are our kids. Our family, you know, our family, you know, our, you know, blended family kind of they grew up on that we make in the house. Look at these beautiful.

beautiful cupcakes. And still make. Oh, hell yeah. Lots of desserts, lots of side dishes, dinners, easy. Family stories and pictures and all that, fun stuff. And really, really great recipes. Josh worked for years on these. These are the ones we make all the time and really good.

Yeah. No, I can tell like how much love, how much effort went into this, how much you both really believe in it and how much it means to you. And that really is awesome to see. Of course, of course. Well, thanks so much. It was so nice to meet you. I feel like we need to go to Culver City and get some Nase-Goring.

some nasae goring. I would actually really love that. That'd be fantastic. Can my wife come? Can my wife come? Yes. Cool. And then we can all brush our teeth. No. We're not going to brush our teeth. I'll die before my wife brushes her teeth. All you listeners, thank you for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich. We got audio-only episodes every Wednesday and a video version here on YouTube every Sunday. If you want to be featured on the opinions or like casseroles, give us a ring at 833 Dog Pod 1. Angela and Josh, you can also call 833 Dog Pod 1. Okay. It's a really unexpected voice message. We'll see all time. Okay. Bye.