A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - What's the Worst Post Workout Food? ft. Vianai Austin

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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Cetchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. The show we break down the world's biggest food debates.

I'm your host Josh Cher. And I'm BNA, Austin. And you and I are, we're the resident athletes of the mythical office, right? Everybody else in here, they were all theater kids, they... Artists, you know. As the laugh comes in the peanut gallery over here. But no, no, no. I think when our audience watches us, they're looking to us for premium sports and fitness advice.

Is that true? That's news to me. If it's truly, leave a comment below. But that's kind of what we're talking about today Because listen, you and I, we're both morning dogs We're waking up, we're hitting the gym while it's still dark outside And we're coming in here You and I are both

Also the biggest breakfast makers in the kitchen I haven't been eating breakfast until 12 p.m. Oh yeah, because you switched to intermittent fasting recently Yes, I had the last four weeks I'm doing it for three months just to see how my gut does But I wanted to kind of redirect my gut health a little bit And I was just overindulging and eating too much at work specifically. You know how that goes. So I've taken a break. I'm taking a break and I'm doing

intermediate fasting and it's drastically different than what I'm used to. Now, so today we're talking about like what are the best and worst things to eat post workout, but you've been eating nothing post workout. How have you like felt different in your energy levels? I actually have more energy in the morning when I get to work. It's so weird, but I'll usually just drink a crap ton of water tea and some bone broth in between this and 12 p.m. I usually get up about 5.36 a.m. to go work out. And then I don't eat anything, just all liquids until 12. And I just have this weird burst of energy when I get to work. And I'm like, okay, let me do this, this, this, and this. And then I start having scatterbrain. And as soon as I eat at 12, 31 p.m.,

I hit this weird crash of, like, yawning and just exhausted. And then my energy comes back. Like now I already hit my low, now I'm back up again. It's really weird, but it's been consistent the last two weeks. That's strange. So knowing what I generally know about nutrition and science, I've read all of the studies and whatever, you know, they talk about like optimal protein intake for muscle synthesis. And there's a lot of rumors out there of like, you've probably heard this, like, don't eat more than 30 grams of protein in a serving because your body can't digest it. I don't follow those rules. No, and they're not actually rules.

They're sort of paraphrasing random studies, but what I've been doing for the last, like, several years, at least trying to and probably doing it with, like, 65% accuracy, which is good enough for my own fitness goals. But I'll, like, eat five meals a day at, like, four and a half meals a day. So I wake up, and immediately at, like, 5.45 in the morning, I'm eating a 20 gram of protein protein bar. And then I go work out. And then I get here at, like, nine, and I make my protein shake that I make every morning. You've been eating a lot more lately. I've noticed that. Like, you're a protein.

Intake is OD crazy right now. I have been lifting a lot more. Like last year I was kind of trying to like trim down, focus on cardio, and now I'm like, let's see if I can get a bench back up to 300. And every time I get- What for? Just for pride issues? No, let's talk about what is fitness for, but not like fitness.

Because if you wanted to be fit, you would like be walking a lot and doing yoga and doing cardio. But like, I know you're out there lifting. I am. I've been lifting less and doing more workouts like that. walking Pilates at 6 a.m. And I'm on like hot girl workouts right now. I call them hot girl LA workouts. Yeah, they are. They really are LA workouts. But when I am lifting the three to two times a week, I'm going very heavy and not a lot of reps. So I've kind of switch. I'm trying

to switch it up while I'm intermediate fasting because I'm worried that my body doesn't have the right nutrition that it needs while I'm intermediate fasting and I don't want to pass out. So So I am trying to figure it out still of eat enough, but I can tell my stomach strength so I don't eat as much as I used to. And I'm not, like I get full faster. I'm not as hungry. So I'm trying to, I'm in this weird spot of trying to figure it out. But when I am lifting, it is heavy and just less reps and like less time.

But I still feel just as strong. So I don't know. My body's doing weird stuff right now. It's so funny when you get like, like you and I both went to college. for sports, you know, and I think you get certain ideas ingrained in you that are, like, very normal. Like, for me, when you said something like, yeah,

I'm, like, not lifting as much because I'm not eating as much and I don't want to pass out, that's super normal for me to hear, but I think, like, general population is like, oh, that's, that's horrifying. Yeah. And I'm like, no, that's just like a fat, like I, I've, I've, I've blacked out in the weight room and woken up covered my own vomit.

That was super normal for me for a certain time. No, no, no, no. What? I'll say, actually what happened is the only time ever happened, it kind of freaked me out. But we were front squatting, like, super, so you talk about not doing as many reps and lifting heavier. All of weightlifting is functions of like, what is it, it's frequency, intensity, and volume. Volume frequency. Yeah, volume frequency and intensity. So it's like how often you're working out, how many reps are you doing, and how heavier those reps.

And you can play with those numbers. So you can lift twice a week very, very heavy with low reps, or you can lift six days a week like I do. with lower weight but a lot higher volume. But we were in a high volume training period in the off season and track in college. I would say this had to have been during track because they were doing a crazy workout. A lot of cleans.

So many cleans. And front squat's part of the clean, right? You like catch it here. And so front squat for people who don't know instead of putting the barbell on your back, you kind of like put it on your fingertips, rest it on your shoulders near your collarbone, jack the elbows up, and squat down with it.

But we were doing sets of 12 and I was doing it with probably, I think it was 130 kilos, so 286 pounds, and I was doing sets of 12. And I get to, like, the seventh rep, and my wrists start to sort of give out. So I roll the bar deep around to my collarbone, and it starts pressing against my throat. But that was the only way that I could keep my hands locked in. And so I was like, you only got, like, four more reps, just do it. And I couldn't really breathe. And so I hit the last rep.

No. And I remember not feeling great. And I just kind of threw it back into the rack, and then the world went dark, and I woke up on my back, covered my own vomit. That was super normal. So we don't... Did you just throw up in your sleep? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, probably should have gone to a hospital or something. Yeah, probably. But the vomit was also, it was a lot of diet, wild cherry Pepsi mixed with Nescafe instant coffee. Oh, well, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it wasn't like, you know, I think it was just a volume thing. Because that was our pre-workout back then.

But the point is athletes of which we are two. Don't do that. Track people, don't do that. Highly tuned athletic machines over here. You know, a lot of things. things that don't seem normal to general population. Yeah, they're like, what? You're crazy.

You go to Pilates three times a week at 6 a.m., 5 a.m. I'm like, yeah, I go before shoot days. Like, that's how I get my day. It's like, trying to get my bench back up to 300 pounds. Why? It's like, ah, why not? It's like a hobby for me. It's like somebody quilting, you know?

Somebody's like, I really want to make a quilt to give somebody. You're like, why are you doing that? Like, it's fun for me. Okay. I'm sad, no, absolutely nobody who quilts. You don't know anyone who quilts? No. We should get into quilting.

We should. Should we join a club? I don't know, man. Once I get my bench back to 300, then I'll hang out with all you and the old ladies and quilt. Okay. But I need to bench 300 first. The problem is every time I get close to it, I'll get to like, I guess like $2.95 last time.

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But, like, this looks very normal for me. So, like, for lunch today, right? We're eating some El Pollo Loco grilled chicken. You had extra chicken after. I had extra chicken. Oh, and then I ate another. You ate another piece of chicken. You said, who chicken is this?

I found it a whole chicken lying around the kitchen. And I was like... Family chicken. Go ahead and eat it. Yeah, that's like, you know, grilled spicy chicken is my favorite food in the world. Other than burritos. I got a lot of favorite foods in the world, but grilled spicy chicken. It's up there.

But, like, you know, you just like eat an extra chicken, like, and that's another, like, 15, 16 grams of protein right there. Yeah. That's really easy. Okay, so we got to circle back to what we eat after we work out. So don't eat before, but we eat right after. Yeah, yeah. I don't eat after.

I already said that. But normally when I do eat, I try to eat a lot of vegetables and a lot of protein, like just straight broccoli and chicken and eggs and steak. Like today I had a whole bowl of steak and eggs. Shout out, Colby, because he made your steak. Oh, I saw that steak. I almost grabbed the piece, but I was like, now I don't want to steal it from you all. And my protein and my muscles, Josh.

there is a fair amount of science about like what you should eat directly after a workout. Right. But again, all this depends on what your actual goals are. You know what I mean? So for me, like I don't believe in a low carb diet when I'm training really heavy. I think your body sort of like needs those carbs to refuel. I know a lot of people do keto, carnivore, whatever. But for me, like a post-workout, simple carbohydrate, you know, even if that's just like a couple bananas, that's my favorite thing to do.

And if you eat fatty foods, I believe it actually like slows the. digestion of it. Oh, really? In a way. I'm really sleepy after. Dude, it could be. It could be. But I feel like, I don't know.

It's tough for me because I have, we all have our own body dysmorphia and body issues. Yeah, we really do. But I've been wanting to reset my gut health a lot lately because I noticed how bloated I was getting very quickly with anything I ate. You could have been like carbs, no carbs. It was anything. So me resetting that, I think, just help my brain be like, okay, force yourself. to drink more water, force yourself to eat just vegetables and chicken, and then I feel good

and have a lot of energy. I naturally don't eat candy or sweets or like munch on a whole bunch of chips and stuff. So I was eating at Twix when I walked in this room. You know what? It was a little stale. It kind of wasn't, you know, it's cold in here. It was gross. It had been sitting out for like three days, didn't it? But yeah, I heard like you kind of have to stick to like no fast food, like no sugary junk food, no. Alcohol. Okay, I wanted to bring this up because there's a gym bro that I follow. I actually went to high school with him. And he always preaches about drinking beer after workouts. No, that's crazy. Why?

I think it's just a way to replenish your body. Because it's made up of what? Water and carbs, right? Water and carbs, but then, yeah, the alcohol, like lemonade is water and carbs. Yeah, but he thinks that you can get away with it if you do want to have a drink after your workout, which is so funny because I mentioned this to Lily earlier. today as she says she loves beer after her workouts and I'm like what there's no way that's a real thing well no there's actually no so it used to be a real thing back in I remember reading this about like cyclists in the 1800s so like competitive cycling was a big thing god the bicycle probably wasn't invented that that much uh longer ago but it was like the 1890s the belgians

had the best cyclists in the world I think there's still a big cycling culture in belgium they also brew maybe the best beer in the world and so there was this dominant Belgian cycling team, and the coach of it was like, the reason they're winning, I can't do a Belgian accent, but he's like, the reason they're winning is because they drink strong Belgian beer after their workouts, because beer is like liquid bread. In the boot. Das boot. But like scientifically, no, alcohol completely kills your recovery. They just happen to be very good at cycling, and they happen to drink a lot of Belgian beer. Yeah, it dehydrates you. It dehydrates you. It stops like protein synthesis.

No, if I lift really heavy, like, if I lift really heavy and then I go out and drink that 100% I'm waking up sick the next day. It's so funny because me and my boyfriend Kenny have this theory that if we are going to go drink that day, we have to work out. Either right before or the next morning. We always say if we're going to drink tonight, we have to go work out first. That's a mental thing. I don't think there's any physiological benefit, but I agree with that.

There has to be a science in that somewhere. I believe strongly in the, this is pseudoscience, in like the sweat-it-out method. Yeah. You drink you wake up and you just like put your damn shoes on. You go running and then you sit in the sauna and you sweat out all that liquor after. Speaking of sweating it out, I was really curious to see how my workout habits actually like show up in the data. So check this out.

Check this out. Not the brag, but I got a 95 activity rating out of 100. Say it's optimal. And I burned 1,300 calories actively. And then with my basal metabolic rate, that's like 3,900 calories. So when you talk about how much food I've been eating recently, I'm apparently burning around 3,900 calories a day. And I took 20,000 steps. and they actually break down your activity.

I didn't log any of this. This was literally the ring could tell what workouts I was doing. And then that totaled to me doing 46 minutes of Zone 1 cardio, 21 of Zone 2, and 16 minutes of Zone 3. What do Zones mean? So the zones have to do with, like, I think your heart rate and your V-O-2 max, but basically it's just like intensity.

And so the fact that, you know, I'm burning 3,900 calories a day, and this is a pretty typical workout day for me, means that I do need a lot more food to refuel. And I like to do that with, you know, whole foods and a lot of protein to actually, like, get some gains out of that. But not only that, you can also see how it, like, might sleep the night before, though. Oh, yeah, this is important for you. This is important for me.

So this doesn't look as good as the workouts. You were efficient. This is basically what they said. It seems good. But, like, if you look at REM sleep or you're doing a lot of your best recovery. Yeah. So here's the thing about working out, like, lifting weights doesn't gain muscle, eating gains muscle. Lifting weights damages your muscle, actually.

And then it's rebuilt with food and sleep. And so the fact that I didn't recover super well in sleep means that maybe I have to temper the amount that I can work out. You know what I mean? Or you got to get more sleep. Well, yeah, that too, man. I'm trying. That's the big battle here.

The activity's never been the problem. It's the recovery for me. Get some z, Josh, please. But that's what I love about the ordering, right? Like it shows you how all this is connected. The sleep, the recovery, the food, and what you're actually burning from that. I need to get one. Honestly, dude, it shows you like a real holistic view of your health.

It kind of creates a whole profile. That's dope. I love it. So head to auraring.com slash hot dog today to make your health and wellness a daily practice. And thanks to ORA for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. So yeah, the sweated out can help mentally, but like physically, I don't know how much science there actually is behind it. Other than the fact that it's probably generally pretty bad for you. I think it just makes me more dehydrated again. Yeah, dude.

Like I'm repeating the same cycle again, trying to sit in the steam room and sweat. wet it out also but at least my skin. How good does it feel though? It feels amazing. It's like just purifying. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like, oh yes, I'm washing my sins away. It's getting the demons out. It's getting the demons out. You got to sweat the demons out. The demons are in there and they're in the reel and you got to sweat them out. Yes, that's accurate, Josh. Have you like either in your adult life or when you're an athlete ever done like a weird fad diet because somebody told you to? Like a, everybody who's ever had a strength coach has had a weird strength coach and they have weird ideas. Or do you

ever have a normal strength coach in college? Yeah, I actually did. She was the best strength coach I ever had. Her name was Jessica Belzano and she was the best person ever and she was hella fit. She wasn't worried about our diets too much because there was nobody who was really bad at eating but she did make us fill out a chart. I don't know if you guys did this. We fell out a chart every week to let her know what we were eating. Oh, interesting. And how many, she would calculate how many carbs it was and she'd be like, okay, less here, less here, less here. And most of my charts were like cassidias from the cafeteria salad Caesar salad with too much dressing on it there was a whole bunch of muffins in there I'm like wow to think back at it I was eating so terrible in

college dude it's it's so funny because I had my first strength coach that I ever had he was a British dude that was really into cycling and I was like this is when I was mostly throwing shot put and discus which you got to be real big mass moves mass baby you gotta have big shoulders big neck my brother did it for a season and he was huge yeah yeah I want to look up the stats. I should. I got to ask them the next time if they're on max preps, but I'm sure they're pretty sure they are. They keep a lot of records. He was good. But these like these cyclists, they wanted us big shot putters to eat like cyclists and eating is all about what your own personal goals are. So literally they would like tell us not

to eat bananas because they were too unhealthy. And I was like, you're like too many carbs, too many carbs, yeah. It would raise your glycemic index, whatever. I'm like, if you are a fitness trainer and you're telling people that bananas are unhealthy, I think you've lost the plot a little bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Speaking of bananas, have you ever seen the gym bros that stop midway through their sets to eat a banana?

And then they keep going with their workouts. There's pre-workout recovery? Is that even worth doing? There's pre-workout, there's post-workout, and this is intra-workout nutrition. I saw somebody three days ago have a whole pack of bananas, okay? There's at least four or five bananas on the same thing. And every single time he moved different sections. He would go run, he would go squat, he would go do the shoulder press, and he would have a banana in between all these.

I could not believe what I was watching. And I was watching the whole time. This guy is so fascinating. I feel like it's another thing. I feel like you've lost the plot if you're bringing your own bananas into a gym. You know what I mean? Yes, exactly. I'm like, you could have waited or just eat them before.

I used to in high school when I was going from junior to senior year, that was when I was playing basketball and I was probably like 220 pounds. And I just lost a lot of weight for my freshman year. and so I was like lean and mean but then I knew that I wanted to get a track scholarship so I was like I'm going to have to get a hell of a lot stronger so I gained like 40 pounds from junior to senior year and I literally I got my bench from like 225 to 335

you could have played football I know I could have I just I couldn't stand the culture of the football team at my high school and a lot of other football teams I know had like really great cultures just not not mine but anyways I kind of wanted to get a scholarship despite my football coaches after I quit the team because they told me that I would it was bizarre I like walked in his

a 14-year-old to quit the football team because I couldn't stand how weird and combative the culture was, you know, and I walked in. There was just a room of grown men telling me that, like, I was going to get diabetes and die early because I wasn't going to play football. The coaches were saying, oh, there are players. The coaches were saying that to me as I was telling you want to quit. It was nuts. Bad coaches. But I was really fueled to like, you know, get big and strong and excel in a different sport. And somehow that led to me bringing in, it was called the big Carl. It was Carl's Jr.'s answer to the big Mac.

I was going to say this has to do with Carl's Jr. I know it. They were two for three dollars. I didn't have any money. I was using my like, you know, summer camp assistant teaching. Allowance money, basically. And like, I would buy two of those. There were 50 grams of protein each and like 700 calories each.

And there were two for three dollars. So I would spend $3 and I would get 100 grams of protein. And I would eat one of them in the gym locker room. And I remember once I brought it into the sauna and just ate at Carl's Jr. Double Cheeseburger. in between a workout. I don't know if that sounds good or depressing. I used to order superstars all the time with extra mail and ketchup on it.

Well, it's so funny because there are a lot of athletes who eat really, like, quote, unquote, clean. I don't know if I like the clean, dirty terminology per se. But there's a lot of athletes who were like, you know, they eat paleo, and that means they only ate things that supposedly paleolithic man would have eaten, so no processed grains, no processed dairy, all that kind of stuff. And then there's some athletes who were like, I'm doing so much activity that my body is just a furnace. And I can just put whatever I want inside of it. I wish.

I can't do that anymore. I could do it when I was 18, 19, and it didn't go anywhere but my thighs. But now it goes to my bansa and I'm like, ooh, I got to come back on cars. I got to do this. But I feel like living in L.A. kind of messes up your diet also. Because you see a lot of other people on their weird, like, oh, I'm only eating. I'm only eating green leaves this week.

I'm like, I don't know, you're like, what? LA's not real. I love LA, but it's not a real place. If only it existed in real life, you know what I mean? And it makes you feel like you have to be a part of that gym culture and have a certain diet and be a certain way. And that's the only part I hate about gym culture in general. Yeah.

But it's even funny when you say gym culture because, like, I, you know, I did CrossFit for a while. Yeah, I do remember that. I did too. I was doing it with my dad. Oh, yeah. You did a workout. I forgot you did a workout with me. Yeah, because Byron was out.

there crossfit and in his retirement, just running the master's in. He still does. But like, that's such a weird mixture of both types of people who have like very weird fringe beliefs about diet, but then also people who are like, I'm burning so many calories that I have to keep eating. I remember watching a dude just eat a piece of flan in the middle of a workout. He just packed his own flan. That sounds good. Or rice crispy treats. Because if you were just trying to replenish your body, like when I did a CrossFit competition, I literally just brought a bag of candy. And in between each event, I would just eat a bunch of candy just trying to get as many calories and which are calories are a store of energy.

Interesting. I would just drink Gatorade in between my games in high school. Yeah, yeah. And that was my extra energy that I had during halftime. I would keep one very sugary flavor, like fruit punch, the red one or the orange one. And then I would drink half of it and all of a sudden my energy was back day. And that's so crazy to think about now. Did you ever play like in high school basketball?

You'd do like, you know, the summer leagues? Yes. You have like double headers and stuff in the summer? We had fall league. then there was our actual league and then we did have a really good team so we went to playoffs had state and then we had spring

league so it was nonstop but if you were in travel ball you didn't do spring league so which was me like I would be traveling but do you ever have like multiple games in one day um yeah sometimes usually the fall league games is where we say we used have at Linwood high school that was where fun times um but

like colony out in like Chino yeah yeah I do We used to play at Aiella, too. Yeah, yeah. People are going to be like, what are these high schools? Just local Southern California high school basketball stuff, you know. Normal stuff. But I have such fond memories of, like, you'd play a game from, like, you know, 10 a.m. to noon or whatever.

Yeah. And then you'd have another game of four or something. And then you just, I remember once just, like, going to Denny's and when I was, like, 16, and just, like, eating like an omelet and a stack of pancakes. And then just, like, sitting on the bench, just, like, burping up onions and green bell pepper. Ew. We once went to a round. table all you can eat pizza buffet. Shakeies.

We used to go to Shakeies and get the, what were they, the potato wedges? Mojo potatoes. Mojo potatoes. Yes, we would do that in between our games. Or when my mom started like going more to our games, because she used to work a lot before, she was like, you've been feeding her all this random stuff. In between the games, Byron, you can't do that. My mom talking to my dad.

So then they had to switch it up and we just started sneaking it in and out. Like that's much healthier, but it was so good. The single greatest post-workout food of all time. This harkens back to childhood. Filipino olympia. Really? Philippine Olympia, I will stand by it because here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing. Your body needs carbs fat and protein.

You know, the wrapper of Olympia, that's your carbs. It's deep fried. It's where you get your fat filled with little minced pork and vegetables, so you get your fiber and your protein. It's perfect. And also, growing up playing basketball in Southern California, you get someone's Filipino Tita, you know, come into the games, and she's making a giant box of Lumpia for you while you got the other people...

And you can just eat them with your hands. Other people bring in orange slices or cupcakes or something. No, no, no. Not John Santana's mom. She's bringing Lumpia. And I'm eating that on the bench. Yeah. I have so many fond memories of like mid-basketball game Lumpia.

See, once my mom started coming to more games, it was watermelon. But before that, it was Capri Sons and chips. The Capri Sons, man. Yes. The Pacific cooler? Yeah, Pacific Cooler. That's the best flavor, and we would have those in-between games. And now we start eating watermelon.

The craziest thing about drinking a Capri Sun after, like, a workout when you're a kid, is one, when you were a kid, you didn't call it a workout. You were just, like, playing. Yeah, I was going to play basketball. You'd be so thirsty, and then it's the tiniest straw. And I remember, you ever see, like, you're like, trying to inhale the whole pack? You know how hamsters drink water?

They got the little thing that, like, hangs down. Yeah. That's the Capri Sun. You're, like, out of breath trying to suck. get through the straw. And you wanted to get every last drop in that. You're squeezing the crap out. You're like, too. Yeah, I was going to say, you're like pushing it against the counter like this trying to get it out. Oh, what a daze.

You're talking about the potatoes after a workout. There was a famous study that was done. It was pretty recently actually where they were testing like, you know, they have those carbohydrate packs. They just call them like goo. It's like, you don't think so. Like the dehydrated potatoes? No, no, no, it's not potatoes. It's like a... Because those have protein in it now if anybody's wondering. Sweet gel kind of thing They give like marathon runners

Gatorade gels There's Gatorade gel, I think, copied something that was called goo liquid energy Oh, I've never seen these Energy gels they call them Yeah, Gatorade has one But it's literally just like carbohydrates It's like sugar and then there's probably

some electrolytes and whatever in there I hate the way they spoke But they have been like proven to increase your cardiovascular your VO2 max Like all of that It increases performance But some scientists were like, is that because of the energy gel or is it just, do you just need food?

And so they had a bunch of cyclists do this study where they gave half of them goo, and then they gave half of them just potatoes in a pouch. It's like a gogert of mashed potatoes. Oh, I was going to say, yeah. Because potatoes are just like a, you know, it's just carbohydrates. And then they had them switch and they both performed the same versus the control of having nothing. So they're like, yeah, it's not the stuff inside the goo. It's just you need food, you need energy. And potatoes do just fine.

But in the notes of the study, they said several writers reported gastrointestinal distress with the potatoes. So they had the farts while they were performing? They were like, we had the farts and we'd rather not have the farts. So I would just rather have the goo energy gel. But see, if they were smart, they would use those farts as a weapon while they were playing, like a defense mechanism. I thought you meant to propel them forward, like a jet engine. That is also possible, but I was more of talking about if you're boxing somebody out. And you fart on them, and then it gets them to back up, and then you grab the ball.

Do you ever successfully do that? Yeah. I have multiple times, yes. All right. At the end of the day, V, what is your best post-workout food, and what is the worst? Ooh, okay, let's see. My best one would probably be a green juice to start off with. Mix with, I guess it depends on what time of day.

We'll just say how I normally do it. Breakfast. I will do that. Have a very heavy meal. I'll always make my first meal the heaviest, and I'll have steak, eggs, some avocado, and then a piece of toast. That's my best post-workout meal. My worst one, oh, man. Let's see, let's see.

Probably anything fried, chips, no McDonald's, no soda, nothing super fatty, nothing super fatty, because then I will probably feel nauseous afterward. My best post-workout food at the height of my strength and athleticism, I would have been about 20 years old, and this is what I did on my heaviest lifting day every month. After a lift, I would go to a local candy store that sold candy by weight, and I would buy two full pounds of candy and a two liter of Mountain Dew. This is that serious.

I knew you're going to say something so ridiculous. I would drink, yep. Oh, correct. I would drink two scoops of protein powder to get my 50 grams of protein, and then I would probably eat 200 grams of sugar. With milk? What? Milk? No, with the Mountain Dew. I would just eat candy and drink Mountain Dew on my couch, probably watching, you know, it's all of a sunny in Philadelphia with my roommates. And I swear to God, that was literally the strongest in most athletic that I had ever been.

Worst post-workout food? Salad. Really? It's not energy dense enough. It's not heavy enough to repair you. Salad is boring. Salad is boring. Eat candy. Canada's Wonderland is bringing the holiday magic this season with Winterfest on select nights now through January 3rd. Step into a winter wonderland filled with millions of dazzling lights, festive shows, rides, and holiday treats. Plus, Coca-Cola is back with Canada's kindest community, celebrating acts of kindness nationwide with a chance at 100,000 donation for the winning community and a 2026 holiday caravan stop. Learn more at canadaswunderland.com. All right, Vee, we've heard what you and I have to say. Now it's time to find out what other wacky opinions are rattling out there in the universe.

It's time for a little segment we call... Opinions are like casserole. I forgot. I used to do... Okay, so the weirdest diet that I did for post-workout food was after every workout I was trying to eat 500 grams of protein a day. So it's because we found an old Russian training. manual might have been in the dark web it was soviet i don't remember but they thought that you should eat i think it was five grams of protein per kilo of body weight so me and so my teammates started doing it which means that at like 260 pounds i was eating about 500 grams of protein

um and i did it lasted for about three weeks and i felt so sick but i really the breaking point was when i creeped out my roommates because uh they walked in on me and i was just eating a two pound brick of salmon just sitting on the couch gosh are you okay now i am yeah yeah but um I do not recommend 500 grams of protein a day. That was tough, and the candy and mountain do worked just fine. I would be constipated. If you think I have extreme eating habits now, you should have seen me back then, dude. I don't think I would have wanted to.

It was great. All right, let's see what other people are talking about. Okay. Hello, Josh, Nicole, and Maggie. Her name's V. Quite a spicy voicemail you got there. Thanks. I got a bit of a spicy question for you.

And by spicy, I mean literal. Is gumbo just wet jumbalaya? I've had this debate with a couple of people now when I describe gumbo as wet jumbalaya or jambalaya as dry gumbo. And apparently there's a nuance that I happen to be missing between the two recipes. I mean, in my opinion, I eat a gumbo. It's just a soupy jambalaya. It's got the rice. It's got the and doy sausage.

And then whatever else you have to throw in there, Cajun spices, what have you. And then jambalaya is just the gumbo, minus the wet. I don't know. Am I wrong? Love to hear your guys's opinion. Thanks. Okay, so Jambalaya and Gumba, I definitely think, are the same thing. Well, they have the same exact things in them, but gumbo is the stew, and then Jambalaya is just the rice.

Yeah. But, like, you can sort of talk about any food in these terms, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I don't know, like, what's like in Italian? I'm trying to think of like an Italian sort of version of this, you know? It's just like, a ravioli is just, like, filled spaghetti or whatever. Like, everything is just the X of Y, if you think about it. Right.

Right. But if you, like, trace the roots of, like, gumbo and jambalaya literally both go back to West African cooking. So, like, jambalaya is, it's jolof. It's literally jolof. Is it jolof or jolof? I don't know. It might be jolof. I could be wrong, too.

Anyway. But, like, either way, like, jolof rice, right? Like, it's jambalaya takes its roots from that. It's, like, a red kind of, like, cooked rice dish with a bunch of aromatics. Yeah. Because the rice and gumbo, if you put it in there, just thickens it up the same way, it turns it into jambalaya? But jambalaya is, like, cooked together. Because, like, gumbo you would traditionally serve.

Like, gumbo is the soup, the stew, the, you know, thing. And so much of West African cooking is, like, stew-based, right? Like, Nigerian food, you eat, like, the igousy with the stew or the foo or, sorry, you eat the foo with the igousy. It's, like, a stew and then there's, like, rice dishes that are sort of separate. It's, like, gumbo is the stew. And gumbo is a West African word for okra. Which is also in there. Yeah.

So when people say okra gumbo, it's like kind of redundant. It's like saying chai tea or ATM machine. You know what I mean? And so they're very similar because they come from the same traditional roots. And then they were sort of looked, they were changed through the same cultural lens. You know? Yeah. It's kind of like when you talk about when people talk about Taco Bell using the same ingredients, you know, 10 different ways and whatever.

It's like. That's every culture. That's every culture. The Italians got 99 different names for shapes of pasta, you know, and that's all just wheat in water. Takitos, tacos. Same thing, just different shapes. Yeah, I love how they, like, similarly with Italian pasta shapes,

like, there's so many regional names for different pasta shapes. Right. Like, what might be called, like, Strozzapretti in one region is called Casarece and another region similar with Mexican food. Like, if you say Takedo to us, what shape do you picture? A rolled one. A rolled one, right? Like a long roll.

And then if somebody says crispy taco, then I just think of a folded, it just being flat. But then, like, a lot of places in Mexico, if you say tequito, tequito just means a little taco. Right. So then it's just like a smaller folded taco. Something I realized this past weekend is we had a taco lady at my family party, and I asked for a toastada. And my brain, I'm thinking just something flat that I stack on top of. But the way they were making it was just a thosada. tortilla with cheese on top

and it was flat like that and meat on it but I was like taco in my brain also so but they were like no to stata and I was like so it might be where the region of where they were from that that's how they

present uh present dosadas and I was like oh this is actually really cool it was so good they got it like crispy though they got it perfectly crispy and the cheese was melted perfectly it was the best bite but it was really tiny it was a mini taco about this bit yeah yeah because I think in some regions

what she did. They might call it a vampiro. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Vampiro. I was trying to think of the word. But yeah, that's correct. But yeah, no, that's like, I don't know, all these, that's kind of what the entire podcast was founded on. These, like, fun little differences and debates within food cultures, and they're fun. So, yeah, you're not wrong, but also you're completely wrong.

Yeah. Sorry. Hi, Josh. Hi, Nicole. Hi, hi, Maggie. This is Joy Deb, calling from Rockville, Maryland, right outside of D.C. My weird opinion, I didn't know was weird until college, because as I grew up, my mom would make us BLTs with bacon, lettuce, and tomato, toast, and on one piece of toast mayonnaise, but on the other piece of toast, peanut butter. I knew he was going to say peanut butter. And people started letting me know in college, how weird they thought that was.

Yes. But I sincerely think that is the best way to enjoy a BLT. Thanks. Bye. Okay. We have to dissect this. Because if you're adding peanut butter to one side of it, doesn't that change the whole sandwich, the whole point of the BLT? Like, it takes away from the main complements.

Plubbed. Plubbed. Plubbblito. Uh, all the weirdest opinions are all of the peanut butter. You freaks you out there doing some crazy stuff. It has to be. Oh, a lot of people look peanut butter so much. I get it. Peanut butter is one of the things that makes me, like, patriotic.

It's like women's gymnastics. once every four years and peanut butter. Are you comparing peanut butter to gymnastics? 100%. In the sense that both of them

make me really proud to be an American. You know, seeing Simone Biles out there, you know, Michaela Moroni, all of them, going back to the

Sean Johnson, Nostia Lucan days. That and peanut butter. Because peanut butter is like the great American food product. So is Mayo. You know?

No, it's not. They're literally like mayonnaise. It's like Spanish, right? Like Mahon, where like Mahonez, the word comes from. It's in Spain. And then the French,

know it's like now a French word, but peanut butter, you ever, Europeans love managed, right? Europeans hate peanut butter. Oh, see, you know what? When I was in Europe, I didn't see peanut butter anywhere. I just saw peanuts. Yeah, they don't like do it. That's a great point. Like peanut butter root beer is the other one that you see a European try root beer and they're just like why does he taste like Middison? And you're like because we like it. It's called barks. It has bite. Root beer is gross. So I like objectively, if you didn't grow up with it, it's a weird flavor. Unless it was mixed with ice cream, I never touched

root beer. It was always Mexican soda. We're like, we're putting our medicine flavored soda on ice cream. That's a weird thing for somebody who didn't grow up with it. Yeah, that's true. And it's literally made with like an indigenous route to America, the sarsperilla root. They just don't even have that flavor else there. We made

some homemade root beer recently. And it was way better. It was crazy. Kind of made your mouth go numb a little bit. Yeah. But peanut butter like people, when peanut butter first hit the markets in like the early 1900s and like George Washington Carver, it had, like, a lot to do with that. He didn't, like, invent peanut butter, but did a lot with peanut cultivation.

But when peanut butter first hit the markets, nobody knew what to do with it because there didn't really exist before, the math marketed version, at least. And so there was, like, you see restaurant menus from, like, Ritz Carlton in, like, 1895, and it's just like, uh, iceberg lettuce with peanut butter. Like, that's what they were, they would serve. Oh, interesting. Didn't they used to put it on chicken, too? Yeah, dude.

Like, peanut butter was just used as a condiment on a bunch of stuff. And obviously it's used in West African food and East Asian food and Southeast Asian food But the American use of peanut butter It's gone in so many different circles And so like putting peanut butter on a BLT It's not that weird in the long arc of history It's crazy you say all that

Because I know it was from here But I feel like people have used a lot less peanut butter Lately Unless it's like an order That too In our office and America But everything is more artificial Peanut Butter flavoring

more than the actual peanut butter itself. I, in like the rise of like the almond butter rise was like such a big thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is that stuff called? Nutella. Yeah, yeah. No, man, I just, I'm dead serious when I say that like peanut butter makes me feel very patriotic.

And I say put it on a BLT. Put it on more. Bacon makes me feel patriotic. Peanut butter, mayonnaise and banana sandwich. Delicious. Ew. You never have that? No, I would never, Josh.

A Pabamb? A Pabam. A Pagintan butter man who's then out? Hey, Josh, Nicole, and esteemed guest. That's me. This is Patrick Hale from SoCal, and I live in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Anyway, I need your culinary professional assessment on something. We got it.

So I have a Puerto Rican and Dominican co-workers, and they've talked about dipping crackers and or baby bell cheese and coffee. and my Dominican co-worker even mentioned dipping a hand sandwich in coffee. What? I was personally disgusted, but I acknowledged, you know, different cultures, tastes, et cetera. When I suggested dipping Oreos in coffee, one of them said that was disgusting. And one thing to consider is that, according to my Puerto Rican coworker, they tend to submerge crackers and cheese and sweeten coffee. and I guess that's somewhat common in the Caribbean region, whereas I associate dipping sweet things, cookies, donuts, cake, et cetera, with unsweetened coffee.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this, thanks. It's so crazy. Okay, so one of my tias, she used to have, I guess she'd be like, oh, I may have coffee con queso. Yeah. And she would mix hot chocolate with her coffee, put a little bit of cream. in it and some cinnamon and then she would, or espresso and then the cinnamon and the milk

and she would dip like also the cheese or she would use a Monterey Jack cheese square and she would dip it in or let it float to the top let it melt on the top and then eat it like a soup. Dude, that's so funny. So that was so familiar. Like I haven't heard anybody do that in so long. She's Mexican? Yes.

She's on the Mexican side. That's so funny. I didn't know that about like Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic. But what's funny is what he was talking about when he's saying, like, he would dip something sweet into unsweetened coffee. Right. Whereas these, like, Puerto Ricans and Dominican co-workers, they're dipping something savory into sweetened coffee. You're both ending up at the same place. Yeah. You're both finding the mixture of, like, starchy, sweet, and savory because coffee is not sweet inherently.

It's actually quite savory. Sometimes I like putting a little bit of salt in my coffee, if I'm being honest, it's kind of nice. It tempers the bitterness for me. But you're both arriving at the same place, brother. Basically. And like even seeing so many similarities across cultures, there's something we made it for the show years ago, but it was really good.

It's called a cafeost. I think it's a Scandinavian thing where they put this like, it's this very kind of hard, squeaky cheese that like doesn't melt, but it gets softer as it warms. Oh, interesting. So it's really hard when you cut it almost like a panier or something.

And what kind of coffee is it just in over a black? It's like a kind of like a black coffee, but it's, and I think you put sugar, and I think we put cream and sugar in it, but you like eat these like soft, salty cheese squares out of your sweet coffee. Dang, that actually sounds pretty good. I know he mentioned the Oreo and then into the coffee. I could see how everybody's like, eh, because that doesn't make sense. If they're dipping it in sweet coffee, like they said, then it's too much sweet on sweet.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, you need that contrast. You have to have the contrast. The ham and cheese sandwich in the coffee, that, like, sounds really good. It actually sounds very good. And I don't even like coffee that much. Man. Should we try it?

I'm kind of in, especially, like, some nice, like, crusty Cuban bread, like, kind of, like, gridled down. It has to be really, really good bread. That's the only way it works. Yeah, I got to be that crispy bread. It can't be like a white sandwich bread. And a creamy cheese. Yeah, man. Yeah, we're so, dude, we're sold.

We're sold. We're sold. Give us our coffee con queso. I'm moving. Daddy Yankee. Come on the show. We're going to talk about it. We're going to be easy.

Puerto Rican? I don't know. Daddy Yanke is Puerto Rican, right? I think so. Either way. Daddy Yankee. What's other guys name? Bad bonte?

Bad bony? Yeah. Al-Qanjo-Malo? Yes. Al-a-Han-Hum. Well, on that note, thank you so much for listening to a hot dog as a sandwich. We got new episodes every week. Audio versions on Wednesdays.

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