A Hot Dog Is a Sandwich - Why Doesn't America Have a National Dish?

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

Today, Josh and Nicole tackle the question on all our minds: why doesn't America have a national dish, and what should it be?

I tell you what, I'm as American as apple pie. I got some bad news, buddy. No, it can't. This is a hot dog is a sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich.

A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a Sandwich, the show we break down the world's biggest food debates. I'm your host, Josh Sher. And I'm your host, Nicole in Idy. And today we're tackling, this is a, this is maybe a political question. This question? Maybe a political question.

Yes. Yeah, but I think you and I are ready and up for the task. I think we're ready to take it on. I'm so politically affiliated. I'm just kidding. When you and I decided to create a state hot dog for all 50 states to save America. I've never felt more patriotic in my life. I know.

I think we really did something there. And today. Screw fourth of July. That podcast recording made me proud to be an American. When we were looking up for one, What berries could be foraged to turn into a mustarta to put on a reindeer sausage. That's what I really felt like that was a part of this land. That's what it's all about.

That's the melting pot. Today we have an even bigger task. And that's to choose a national dish for America because so many times I literally just cooked something in the mythical kitchen that they say is the national dish of Romania. Okay. And what is it? Sarmale. Sarmali. Is it related to Sarma?

It is. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Which is stuffed grape leaves. Stuffed leaves. So this is saramale is stuffed cabbage. leaves. Okay, same thing.

But yeah, same. Just like stuff, stuff. But, like, yeah, you know. Root words. Root words. One thing about me, I love a prefix and a suffix. Oh, I know y'all see something out in the mythical kitchen some way, but God, I know so much about Vlad the Inhaler and his battle against Mehmet the Conqueror.

Cool. You know my, there's three guys. He was a funny little thing. Well, that's, we were just talking all about that. Yeah. More of a, that was kind of an Ottoman propaganda that he was drinking blood because they were trying to be like, these Christians are barbaric. They're drinking our boys' blood.

And then Vlad was trying to be like, no, no, no, no, the Ottoman. Turks are barbaric. And so there's a bit like, Mehmet and Vlad the Impaler, both just utter psychopaths. But anyways, Mehmet installed a guy after Vlad the Impaler, just called Radu the Handsome. And this was for the Ottomans? No, this would have been like the kingdom of Wallachia. It's like, it's in modern day Romania, but it was kind of like a key in the middle of a trade route that the Ottomans wanted.

Damn, Romania had a lot of stuff go down more than most, huh? They were just in a crossroads of a lot of stuff. But I just love that there's three dudes involved. You got Mehmet the Conqueror, Vlad the Imperator. Taylor and like, Rodoo the handsome, dude, this guy looks good. What would your name be if you were during that time? Josh the top heavy. What would my be?

I don't want to do it. What would my be? Nicole, the sweet little cutie. I think it rolled up the time. Nicole the pleasant rolls off the tongue nicely. Nicole the pleasant. Yeah, Logan, what would you be? I don't know.

I have no answers. Logan the professional. I like that. It's actually on the professional. I know. You know, I've never seen that movie? I've been meaning to watch it for like 20 years. Oh, it's okay. Yeah? Yeah. I enjoyed the film. The young, a young Natalie Portman. She did great. She was killer in it. And then, what's the guy's name? Gary Oldman.

Cario Monona, but the guy that plays... The Leon? Is it like Renee? I don't know his first. Renaud something? I don't know his name. Anyways. Great film. Great. Okay, what are we talking about? National Dishes. Oh. Sarmalai is allegedly a national dish in Romania, but are all these like really codified, like, are these written into law? I do think, like, some of them are, or there's, like, a running list on the internet that says.

There are Wikipedia articles that say, like, oh, this is the national dish of here. This is, like, like, I know Iran's national dish, has two national dishes, Gormisavsi and Kabab. So you can have more than one national dish. Cabop feels like it's too broad. And, well, this kind of gets into the, gets into the... Chello Kabob, which is rice with... You know, but there's like, but other countries make... Kabab, like, they might call it different things.

But like Gorma Sabzi is like uniquely Iranian, right? And I imagine has like a somewhat ancient, like there's a lot that goes into that. But that kind of like shows the difficulty of choosing a national dish. Right. You know, for this specific case.

Well, no, for all countries, right? So like I'm looking at just a list of national dishes like Afghanistan, Palau. Yeah. So you know the... Kaboli Polo? Is that a great? Yeah, Kaboli Polo.

Like, Algeria has Kus Kuskis. Josh is on Wikipedia. Josh is a good source. Josh is using Wikipedia as a source. Wikipedia is a great source. We learned that in high school and college. We learned that before.

We learned that before there was just AI slop on TikTok. Now Wikipedia is like the safest thing you can use. I've always... Well, no, it's because the public can change it, right? Isn't that why we weren't allowed to use Wikipedia? Because the public can go in and like alter it? I don't think the public is going in to be like, actually, I'm going to make Ghana's national dish not foo and Jalof.

But again, that starts the fight between Ghana and Nigeria. Well, ours is joloff. No, yours is jolov. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you have any, like, contenders that you think would be a good dish for? For America? Oh, okay. So I'm trying to get inspired by other countries national dishes here.

So, like, Haiti, for instance, right? Okay. Haiti has won, the two, soup jimu. Okay, which are things that we've made here. Yeah, so soup jimu, like literally is a dish. that was made. I think it was something, so Haiti, I believe the only country,

to have a slave rebellion that then turned, like basically made a sovereign nation after a slave rebellion. Very, very cool history. Toussonde deuter, like really cool stuff. Soup Jammu is made out of pumpkin,

and I believe there was something where the slaves would grow and harvest the pumpkins, but they weren't allowed to eat them. Correct. So it was like a way to be like, this is our, if you guys,

reading these pumpkins, this is a delicious ass pumpkin soup. Right. And I've had it. It's delicious. That's like the perfect national dish. Ooh, and then Honduras has Balayadas, which are just burritos, and I like them. They're not just burritos. They're Honduras, but do you have

nice? So do you have an answer? What do you think? So you want to, okay, so I think we would be remiss, which is the proper term, right? Like, it would be unfortunate to not. Mention the fact that indigenous people is very important. Yeah, yeah. And I think the food that indigenous people were eating should be in the ranking, possibly. I was thinking that as well. Because that's a really interesting thing about, like, Mexico, for instance. Let's see what Mexico's is. I wonder if Mexico has, like, a national dish.

This says taco. Of course it does. I mean, Chile and Mogada is really interesting. Sure. Chile and Ogada is a delicious dish. And Chile and Mogada has, so chili and Mogada is a roasted boblano stuffed with, like, meat and sometimes rice in there maybe. Whatever. Yeah.

Stuff to some sort of meat, minced, like a piccadio. And then top of the white walnut sauce and pomegranate seeds. I think it's got a bit of a pizza margarita myth about it. Oh, really? Like, the colors represent the Mexican flag? Yeah, it's great. Okay. Are they the same colors there?

The same colors Mexico and Italy, right? Yes. They're just different orientation of colors. They got a sick eagle with a snake in its mouth in Mexico. Like, wow, what a better aesthetic the Mexican flag has. But, like, you know, they also have like Moli right there. With Mollay is a thousand-plus-year-old dish. Right.

Indigenous influences in it. Yeah, God, what would we have? Corn is indigenous. So some sort of... In my research, I talked about the three sisters, which is corn, beans, and squash, which was used agriculturally to help them grow because of the bean stocks growing. It would help supplement the other things to grow as well. And that makes a delicious dish, corn, bean, and squash. Oh, I do agree with that.

Like a succotash kind of thing. Yeah, well, succotash is the dish that would be a social dish. with it, but I think just calling the national dish of America, the three sisters would be cool. The only problem is nobody makes it. You know what I mean? Like, that's the thing people make more. But I'm sure they did. Sure, but like, I think it needs to represent some amount of things that people actually make and eat. You know what I mean? Okay, so what a hamburger? Okay, so a hamburger. Okay, so a hamburger. Okay, so a hamburger. Okay, so a hamburger. Pizza is way more Italian than hamburgers are German. You know what I mean? Totally. Hamburger. What about hot dog?

Hot dog, I feel like... It's Mitt Romney's favorite meat. His favorite meat is hot dog. Yeah. I also love hot dog. Mitt. That's where you and I agree. We disagree on a lot of other things.

Would it have to be hamburger? No. That's our biggest cultural export to the world. It's... I want to see how hamburger rates... Hamburger rates have dropped. I feel like people eat less hamburgers now than they did 15 years ago. I had a hamburger 15 minutes ago.

What? From where? In and out? Oh, so good. So I think we don't say hamburger is the national dish. What if we say it's cheeseburger because the addition of cheese was done in America and it makes for a better product. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, I'll be cheeseburger invented at a...

You seem stressed out. Well, I don't want it to be. I don't want it to be. But it's the food that Americans eat. Americans are known for eating here. Okay. Of Americans? I got some criticism.

No. And when we, when I was doing Christoph Waltz's last meal. Okay. And I remember feeling this in the moment. but I decided just for the flow of the interview that I shouldn't get in anything. But he was saying about how, like, American food lacks culture. He's like, American food is hamburgers. It's KFC.

It's what you export to the world. And, like, me knowing what I do. And I don't even think he was implying that there is no regional culture. But I thought about saying, like, well, you look at something like Central Texas Barbecue that has indigenous roots, roots in things like a German and Czech immigration, you know, like a huge black diaspora roots in Texas barbecue. Really cool stuff like that. You look at, you know, Creole Cajun food.

Totally like gumbo, jambalaya. Even I'd say looking up into like the northeast and the like Boston baked beans come from indigenous technique. Like there's a lot of really, really cool stuff out there. And a lot of like fusion in California that I hold like near and dear to me and that's culture. But at the time like what he was saying is correct is in Austria, they're not getting like crawfish boil houses that open. They get KFC and McDonald's.

That's what American food is to the rest of the world. And the same way that Austrian food to us is, you know, Wiener Schnitzel and that's all we know. You know what I mean? Yeah, but are we defined by our exports? Are we defined by what the rest of the world? Yeah, I think so. Are we defined by what the rest of the world thinks?

But even in terms of like national dish, America is so many countries in one. And I think we're... Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more. There's like a handful. of countries like this. So many countries have their different regions and not only different regions, I'd say different nations.

I mean, Italy. Oh my God, Italy, yeah, was not a country for unification was in the 1860s and even then they were speaking different languages and... They still They still fight all the time. Still fight all the time. And Sardinian food is so much different than like Milanese food and all that. But like Italy still doesn't have that many people. I mean, it's a bigish country, but in terms

compared to America, compared to Brazil, compared to India, China especially, compared to Mexico. Right. Even. So you have like, you know, Mexico, even one of the dishes that was listed as a national dish, Mexico is Moli Poblano, which means Molle from the state of Puebla. Right? Right.

So it would feel weird to have a regional, it would feel weird that like smoked brisket would be our national dish. Drum roll! It's time for Deal With It Kitchen brought to you by Klorna where we find the best food deals in America, put them on trial and decide once and for all. Is it actually a deal? Or are they just calling it one? All right, Nicole, what's the greatest food deal you've ever scored? So one time I was at a grocery store, and it was like maybe 8 p.m.

And I really wanted a rotisserie chicken. And the guy just gave me one. He's like, you can just take it and go. Was he flirting with you? Maybe. I don't know. But I got a free chicken out of it. You don't just get a free chicken without someone flirting with you.

Well, what can I say? Maybe. What about you, Josh? I didn't get a free chicken, but I got free chicken. My mother-in-law, what up, Susan? She bought a bunch of bone-in skin on chicken thighs because they were two for one, but they're in the giant party packs that are like, six pounds each.

Okay. And she's just one woman and she eats like a bird. And so she was like, oh my God, I don't know what to do with my chicken. So I ended up getting, no, you know what I think she gave him to my brother-in-law first and then he gave me the free chicken. Wow. What an exchange of hands. I'll take chicken passed around by so many people.

It's ridiculous. Okay, what about a deal that totally fooled you? Gosh, you know, I am totally victim to getting those corporate slot bowls every now and then. And I got a side of this, like, newfangled sauce that they were selling. And instead of it being in one of those two ounces, it came in like a little sachet that was maybe like yay big. And it was very disappointed. And I paid like five bucks for it, $4.99 or something like that.

Disappointing. What about yourself? Always ask them to weigh the stakes and tell you how much it is. Them being the butcher. The butcher. Okay. You got scammed by a butcher. I didn't even get scammed.

I just didn't ask, it looked like a nice steak. And I thought, hey, I mean, it was a treat meal. And then it was two steaks and it was $300. Oh no. That's brutal. And I didn't have the pride to just say, hey, put that back. No way, Jose. I got him and I cooked the $300 for the stakes. Mediate and rare at least. Yeah, they turned out nice. Okay, that's good. They turned out like $85 nice, which is still a lot of money to spend on steaks. That's like a blunder. I got scared. Yeah. Mine's like a little sashay of like truffle sauce.

That was like five bucks. You were supposed to like. Yeah, I'm out like, yeah, 300 bucks on steaks. That's tough. Josh, I know you feel strongly about value menus these days. I'm bummed out now. I'm sorry. We're going to change the subject now. Did value menu stop being valuable, Josh? Is there anyone still doing it right in your opinion? I think Taco Bell is.

They got the Lux Value menu. That's right. You know what I mean? A lot of other places, though, they'll do these big bundle deals. You can get four things for $6. And it gets really complicated. Taco Bell, for me, I mean, these are three great value options. Right.

I believe we have the cheesy roll up, the potato soft taco. and a bean and rice burrito. Potato soft taco. Here's the thing. The expensive part of food right now is beef. That's why I spent $300 on steaks. The protein of it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The protein of all. But Mexican food, especially Taco Bell. You get some beans in there. That's a complete protein. You get fried potatoes and your soft taco. You know? This is a good deal. You want to bite?

Sure. Share a taco. We're going to share a taco. I know the sauce in there. It's fire. Of course. I love me a bean and cheese burrito. Especially if there's rice and though.

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You're right. Within Kabob, there's like 12 different kinds of skewers you could have that constitutes Kabob. So with that logic, using Iran as our limits test. Iran and America are closer than ever. Listen, it's only because I'm Persian, man. If I was another like another nationality or race, it would have been different. The people are not the government.

Stop. But honestly, like I'm trying to think, should. I almost want barbecue before hamburger or cheeseburger because it has such a wide array. And, I mean, Alabama white sauce is so special, right? I think you're dead right here. I think Alabama, like, something like Texas, like you said. What's the one with the golden? Is that Carolina?

It's one of the Carolinas. There's one of the styles of Carolina that isn't a state. There's like Western Carolina or like Eastern Carolina, and neither of those are states, but it's a type of barbecue. Why no East Virginia? Why only West Virginia regular Virginia? You know that John Cougar Melanchett? No, John Denver?

John Cougar Melanchett. What's the question? Country Road. Oh, John Denver. That's John Denver. You know he's not talking about the state of West Virginia? He's talking about the western part of the state of Virginia. I don't know.

I watched TikTok about it. Really? Like four years ago I saw TikTok about it and I never fact-checked. That's the TikTok that's stuck with you? The only one. That and all the grimace shake ones. Wow. The grimace shake should be the national.

Talk about the biggest X mark. Oh, my God. McDonald's. please send us 50 gallons of grimace shake industrial mix that we can put in our own milk at home and freeze. I mean, let's talk about it. Like, I like the idea of indigenous food. I like the idea of popcorn. Popcorn was a really, really big deal. People eat popcorn all the time. Popcorn is an indigenous food. Yeah. That's so, wait, that's really cool. And now we have Popcornopolis on every corner. Now we sell 20 dollars sacks of like caramel chocolate. Oh, and it's all so stale.

going into a Popcornopolis. Children. I guess so. Is Popcornopoulos like thriving? Should we franchise a Pop Chronopolis? Do you remember when you would go? Well, I don't know. Would you go?

Too poor. Yeah. Never. How old were you when you went to Disneyland for the first time? So. Or Universal Studios? I would have gone my Connor Bohuslovski's birthday when we were like 10 years old. Okay, okay.

So yeah, yeah. I grew up in a rich area. I got cool. I got some cool experiences, but I just never had money. I would have literally exit. in the building I started going. Well, that's probably the last time

I've been to Disneyland. That doesn't matter. Who cares about that? Okay. And then I went with, yeah, like a church. I think my dad, I think my dad like faked being Christian

to get a fair amount of free stuff. Oh my gosh. And then he got kicked out of one of the churches. Okay, what about, oh. I told you that one. What happened? Well, he was, no, he got kicked out of a house.

He was staying with a pastor. Oh, I did not know this. And then he told the past because he told the pastor like, hey, I'm down on my luck. I'm here to be a good Christian. You were living with a pastor? visit occasionally. I watched a Super Bowl there.

It was the first time I had swordfish. Weird. I was like six years old. God, I really remember a lot of times based on. You remember being six years old? Eating swordfish. I don't remember anything past... I don't remember anything.

It was what my memories are starting to come back. Jamal Anderson, Trail, Davis. Everything before then? Who was the Falcons? But anyways, my dad told him that he wanted to be a good Christian man. And I think my dad was staying in his guest room. And then my dad was like, hey, no, I'm just here to meet chicks. right, thinking that the guy would be like,

oh, that's so cool, and then the guy kicked him out. Okay, so I have an idea. Chocolate chip cookies. Oh, that's good. That's good. But it has to be a CET. It has to be a main, right? Doesn't.

It doesn't have to be. That can be one. You know what? You know what? You know what, Josh? What if we do a dish, a dessert, and a drink? What? I'm looking at other national dishes.

You should have looked this up before you were here. I know. But now I'm here, and we're doing it. We're doing. Sancocho from Panama. Sounds great. Peru, Ceviche, and Pollo Labrassa. Those are wonderful things.

Oh, wait. Logan, Logan, Logan. Logan. What? You did it. This is it. Right? Yeah, we just go home.

You, Logan, you got to tell them. Say the words on the screen. Let's say it together. Okay. One, two. Fried chicken. That's it. We did it.

Okay, but why should it be fried chicken? Uh, uh, a sordid long history of it coming from, from different parts of the world? Well, I think part, no, so, I don't think fried chicken came from other parts of the world. I think we sent it to other parts of the world. I mean, certainly they would have been inspired by a frying technique.

Spired by Schnitzel? Sure. Brought here by Scottish immigrants? No, not just Schnitzel, though. What is just Shittzel? No, I'm saying, like, other people figured out how to fry things that wasn't just Zed Germans. Chicken's not bredded.

Chicken, I mean, chickens bred it, but Schnitzel is breaded in bread. fried chicken is like a flour coating or a wet batter, which would have come from Jews. Well, yeah. Portuguese Jews? Yes. So yeah, no, there is a lot.

But like other, they were frying chickens. Well, in my research, I saw that Scotland was kind of like the main, like, group of people that we borrowed it from. And then West Africans included, like, the special kinds of spices that we used. Yeah, yeah. And then slavery, bad. Slavery bad. So bad.

That's our official stance here. So, yeah. Hot-Tock is sandwich says slavery, bad. But like, if you're telling the story of America through a dish, sure. Like, slavery absolutely comes into play, right? Absolutely. And the fact that, like, so many of these great American cuisine dishes,

if we're talking about Southern food, so many of them are West African. Of course, yes. Right? Like, the jambalaya, the gumbo, the Ateuf, like, all that comes from West Africa. You know what I mean? And, like, fried chicken certainly has influenced West Africa, but also influenced from Europe. and then it's also something that we've exported to the globe.

I mean, maybe Christoph Walsh is right? Black GIs in the Korean War teaching Koreans how to make fried chicken. You know how I learned that? And then they did it the best. You know how I learned about that? Alton Brown and Kristen Kish talking about that. On Iron Chef America? That's how I learned about that.

Oh, God, I want to go back and we're not Iron Chef America. It was the reboot. I don't remember. It was a clip. It was but a clip. I did not watch the whole thing. It was just a clip. They rebooted Iron Chef America,

which Alton Brown initially hosted on Food Network for Netflix for like one season. And it was good. And Kristen was great. You know? Both friends of the show. Both friends of the show. We had both them on, both wonderful. Both big heroes of mine.

Is fried chicken the answer? Fried chicken might be the answer. I had a bad pitch, but I'd like to say. I'd love to hear it. I love your bad pitches, actually. It's a food that I don't even like. It's a food that I've never understood as going all together. Let's hear it.

So stupid. Such a dad dish, too. I have a really bad dish too, but you go, do you want me to go first? No, I'll go first. Chili and cornbread. Okay. Why is that bad? That's not bad.

Hey, Josh. Where's my confident guy? Where's my confident guy? Hey, Chile is. Cornbread. There's my confident guy. I've, like, never even understood the appeal of chili and cornbread. I like cornbread.

I love both dishes. And I'm perfectly happy eating them. Separate? Near each other. I just, I just never need them to interact and I'm so morally neutral. Do you think it has to do with like soul food? And how, like, having a bunch of food, like, on a plate together? I feel like, I don't know, but chili, why would chili have been, you know, soul food, I think of, like, deep south?

Is chili not, like, considered, like, a soul food? I don't reckon so. I mean, chili's, like, properly a Texas food. Like, Chile con carne, like, the history of the Gustavo Aririano writes about the San Antonio Chili Queens, you know, it's kind of funny, though, because when you hear chili con carne, I feel like it's a British thing. Oh. Nobody would ever say chili con carne here. Oh, really? But the term...

In my mind, chili con carne is not ground beef. It's little pieces of beef that's cooked in like a really intense red sauce. Well, so I mean, that's like a bowl of they call it Texas Red. Yeah. Like that's like classic chili. Like if I'm making my best version of chili at home, that's what it is. It's a chuck roast that I'm hacking up into like centimeter cubes. Totally.

And I'm doing like no tomato. incarnate to me. That's so funny. Because... Is it not? So the entire dish, chili. You say chili. I say chili.

You say chili. Everyone says chili. The full name of the... Chili is the name of the plant. A capsicum. Yes, yes, yes. Now that's a UK style. Well, yeah, but they spell it with two L's.

Dude, the etymology of the word chili is wild. Is insane. Right. Because they just call like hot sauce or any sort of like pepper paste, just like, oh, you want some chili with fat. Yeah, right, right. You know? And that's wild, and they spell it two L's. So anyways, when you say the word chili, you are saying a shortened version of chili con carne.

Correct. In the same way as when you say queso, you're saying chili con queso. So I never say queso. What do you say? I never ask for case. I don't like, I don't even, I just, caseo to me is like the most mid food. Casos just melted cheese. But, but queso is.

Kizo con carne? Like, Chile con queso is a very. Chile con queso. Like Tex-Mex-S-S-Keso. See, I don't indulge in that as much as I should. I just get queso at the table. I would just much rather have any sort of salsa than chili con queso. So, chili con queso.

So chili con carne, which is just chilies with meat, and then chili con queso, which is chilies with cheese. But there's two, but the chilies are two different kinds of chilies. For one of them we shortened it to queso. No, no, no, no. You can use whatever kind of chilies you want. No, no, no. Some of them have ten kinds of chilies in it. You can make a ten chili.

You are wrong. You make a ten chili. Go ahead. What are you saying? The chili con queso is like a serrano or a poblano. We're saying fresh chili as opposed to dry chili. With onion and tomato, right? That's, is that normally what chili con queso is?

I don't know. No, but for real, it depends on you make. Could be an Anaheim chili. Could be a hatch chili. That's what I'm saying. Okay. But the, I feel like chili con carnei mostly has those like dry, dusky red chilies. 100%.

I would say that. So those are two different kinds of chilies. You have just mentioned. So you're saying one is, but they're both the same plant. They're both the same damn plant. I'm saying there's the same thing. Okay. The word Chile is just the plant.

No, that's not fair for you to say it's the plant because that's like saying like, no, I don't have a good comfort right now. But it exists. No. No, no, no. That's like saying a baguette is the same as pumpernickel. Yeah, they're both bread. They are, they both serve two different purposes. I know they're, but don't know, you make sandwiches.

Don't look at Logan for help. She's not. Logan, right fucking crazy. You can look me in the face. I don't know. No, hold on one second. Okay, wait, let's go back. Let's back it up.

Chile corn carne. It's the name of a Mexican dish. Correct. It comes to Texas by way of the San Antonio, Chili Queens, big street vendors. Cowboys start making a Vacero, start making it. Sure, sure. Right? We get the term buckaroo from Vacero.

Cool. Right? Isn't that cool? I love that. I love that. I love that. I love it. But anyways, the dish starts to evolve.

People start to put beans in it. they're just making it on chuck wagons, that wouldn't have traditionally been in there. But it is all chili cornucane. And it gets so popular, they start canning it in the Chicago stockyards and stuff, start making can chili. Okay. And then it gets so popular that people just start going, okay, any spiced red sauce with meat in it, that's chili now. So then you get to Cincinnati, and there's an immigrant from, where is he from, not the Damascus. I was going to say, Macedonia, Macedonia.

Okay. Yeah, and then we went from Macedonia. It starts skyline chili and just goes, hey, we have a Macedonian spiced red meat. I can call that chili. Mm-hmm. And so it's all chili con carne. Correct. And you can have a vegetarian chili con carne.

You can have chili sincane. But that's what you're saying when you say chili. Okay. Okay. You are correct. I guess my little quirk is whenever I see. But the average person is not taking like little bits of beef and browning it and letting it sit in the sauce.

They're just cooking up the ground beef. Yeah. It's like a worse version. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's like bootleg and shitty. In my brain, that's just. delightful. That stuff

with the beans in the ground meat and whatever red sauce, that's chili. But chili con carne demands respect

with the whole name. No, to be Texas red. Because I don't even know how much chili con carne is being made in

if you're Mexican and you're making something called Chile con carne hit me up. Let me know. There's like, there's like

Chile Colorado, there's like carnane's so Hugo. I know Moli Colorado. So Chile Colorado is like I mean, Colorado is just a color.

Yes. Right? It's kind of that like burnish, brownish red. Burntziana. Burnt Cia. It kind of is a Bernstein.

I love that color. Yeah, but there's chili Colorado. There's Molli Colorado. It's just, you know, different. Moli is an indigenous, thick sauce. Chili is just, man, chili. It's just a chili sauce. So you think...

Chili Verdez is just green chili sauce. So you want chili with a cider corn friend to be in the show of America. Yes, wait, yes. Because, because, because chili. We got really impassioned. That was random. Sorry. Chili, you're talking about the crops.

You're talking about beans and corn. Chili, and I'm talking about a bean-filled chili here. Not a bowl of Texas threat. Okay. You know, bull beanfield chili, a Kansas-style chili. Okay, so you're taking two sisters. Yeah, yeah. No squash.

I don't know where to put squash. Don't worry about the squash. So you're taking the two sisters, and you're filtering them through the story of America, it sounds like. Yeah, it's not a good pitch, though. No, I'm seeing your vision. The side of cornbread pisses me off, though. I don't like it. Make it a cinnamon roll.

You know cinnamon roll? You want to do the Kansas School lunch? I don't know. The cinnamon roll chili? I feel like every time we talk about chili, there's like 15 comments. What do you actually like to eat chili with? Like, what's your favorite way to eat chili? Me? Honey, you take it.

How's chili you eating? Like, I used to make chili a lot more before I had a baby. Now I'm like, I don't have time to make chili. My favorite way to eat chili is I take a handful of tostitos and I crush them in my hands. And I poured in there, I put a little bit of cheddar cheese and sour cream. But you're just ripping a bowl of chili. You're not like, you don't need a bread. You don't need a whatever.

I mean, the chips are the chips. The chips are the bread. The chips are the bread. Yeah, I don't eat anything else. My favorite thing to do with chili. and maybe this can be our national dish. Oh, my God. Okay.

So check this out. I'm going to close my eyes for this one. You know like a chili cheese dog, right? Of course. So imagine that, except you don't even need to bother putting the chili on the dog. Okay. Because what you do is you're French dipping it. So you're putting the cheese on the dog, but then you're just taking each bite is you're submerging it in as much chili as this hot dog.

Absolutely disgusting. I hate that so much. I have an idea. You can down a whole pint of chili with just one hot dog. You say chili. You're effectively using the hot dog. a spoon. You say chili.

I say sloppy Joe. Oh, hey. Hey, what? And we're talking about Midwest Sloppy Joe, not. Hey, I wanted to taste like butterscotch pudding. I want it to be so sweet that you don't know if it's a lunch or a dessert. And that's, I think that should be. I know just the guys to launch it.

There are guys, sometimes when I go on my night walks. Manwich? Well, no. There's, dude, I don't know if I've told you this. There's, God, there's guys running a Wagyu sloppy Joe pop up. What's it called? Wagyu Joes? It just says

Wagyu Sloppy Joe's Oh, they need a name. I know. They might have a name. And they're on Ventura Boulevard and I've just never because I generally go on a walk after dinner. Uh-huh.

That's so nice. Do you go with your wife or do you go by yourself? Most often by myself. Okay, you guys should do it as a bonding exercise. Maybe. But I always walk by the Wagyu sloppy Joe's guys and I've never gotten a Waggie sloppy Joe from him. Josh.

And I think they're the guys to make it. Josh. There is like, there's, God, it's so loaded for such a big country to have a national dish. Josh, the food, it should be sloppy Joe. Okay, hamburger bun. Okay, hamburger buns. Your chili pitch was so wonderful.

I love the story of it. I think we have to go with Sloppy Joe. There's a really... Why do you hate it? Why? What's wrong with you? Oh, no, I don't hate it. This is like a really complicated topic when it comes to, like, a demographics in America and who gets represented and who gets left out.

Yeah, America, ostensibly. has 50 countries inside of it. Yeah, even more than that. Southern California and Northern California. Oh, right, I don't talk to New York. No, but I'd match the Dakotas together. Split California, massed the decos together. You know, we shouldn't do that. It's root. Oh, you want to talk about the Dakota's.

Make New York City like a Singapore and the rest of New York. Is Chisley? Chislic. Chislic. Everybody knows. Everybody loves Chislic. Come on, Logan. I wish you love Chisleck. So much. We'll take you to Safis. They got Shislic, but it's close enough. Should we just do Chislic? Do Chislic? No. Ah.

Okay. One we can all agree on. Idaho finger steaks. No. No, Idaho finger steaks. No, I don't like finger stakes. You're going back to fried chicken at this point. At this rate.

Yeah, but fried chicken, like, everyone got fried chicken now. That's the problem. Everyone got every American food now because we export it all. But no one has Idaho finger steaks. Idaho finger stakes are pretty much just, it's fried steak. But in a finger shape. I understand that from disability. From Idaho.

I get that. From Idaho. I get that. I know one of our proud... Oh, do you think it was a small state? Okay. We need a small state to be our guy. Okay, which, what's the smallest?

Rhode Island. Is Delaware the smallest? Like Rhode Island. Is Rhode Island the smallest? Rhode Island's got the weird colored hot dogs. Reddhers? Rippers? Rippers? Are they called rippers in Rhode Island?

I don't know. Like snappers? I don't know. Red snappers? Red snappers? Where red snapper? Or is that from? Look it up.

I truly love, I love the idea of sloppy joe because I feel like it gets all of our answers into one. Red snappers are main. Okay. There I go again. Confusing. Well, what about Maine? One of the 13 colonies. Was Maine one of the colonies?

I don't think so. Oh, oops. Right now. I don't know. It would be the main one. It's too far. It would be the main one. So Rhode Island has the hot leaner.

Yeah. That looks so good. Guys, maybe we should have Rhode Island hot leaners. Should hot dog just be the answer? What if we came up with a regional hot dog for every state? We already did that. Shoot, because I think that's the answer. Is it just hot dog?

What if every... Because here's the thing, Europe... What about it? A lot of different countries. Yes, we know that. I think they're like the United States of America, but the United States of Europe. Okay. And they're, one, I guess we already tried this with America Vision.

Our answer to Eurovision. Okay. We threw something called the American song contest where every state competed against each other. Okay, and who won? A K-pop artist from Oklahoma named Alexa. She was very good. talented. I'm sorry, where's she from? Oklahoma.

Oh, see. Cisco competed for Maryland. Jewel competed for Alaska. Michael Bolton competed for Connecticut. That all makes a lot of sense. And then, yeah, but it was... What about Pipple? Well, he's Mr. World Life, so it wouldn't be fair.

I wouldn't be fair at all. I agree with that. But that didn't turn out well. Because like our states don't have a thousand years... They all hit each other. There's no thousand-year-old castle in one of our states. I know. You know what I mean? We don't have that. We don't have that type of culture.

We don't. And I was thinking about the idea of trying to boil down like a national dish in one thing. And especially one that has like indigenous kind of roots. Ellen Swallow Richards, the social reformer. She was like one of the founders of the school lunch program. Okay. And also I think her first woman to graduate the chemistry degree from Yale. Badass.

She faced a lot of criticism, especially in a retrospective lens because she basically tried to nationalize a food culture in a way. And it was all based around, like, what products grew here and what products made you an American. So it was a lot of, like, cornmeal with oysters and baked beans and things like that. And it was all kind of vaguely British waspy food, but through a New England lens. Okay. And so basically, in heavy Italian neighborhoods, you'd be like, you can't eat your macaroni anymore. You got to eat oysters with cornmeal mush and baked beans, you know, and in chowders and other things like that, creamed cod.

And, like, it was very well-intentioned in a certain way of, like, that was a very cheap way to eat and also trying to establish culture. But then you end up with, like, well, who gets left out when you say something like sloppy Joe's or a national dish. You're so right. No, you're so right. You know? Is maybe the national dish of America all?

Like tuti-frutti. What? What's a tuti-fruity? Tutti-fruti. And Tutti-fruti in Italian? What are you talking about? It's been all of the fruit. Tutti, all.

Fruity fruit. All of the fruit. Are you trying to tell me you want, like a tutti fruity fruity. You want IHops, Rudy, Rudy, too. Frusty, fruscious and fruity. Routi, tutti, fruity, yes. I think, okay, with this piece of information, why don't we just say all of it? I think the national food is all of it.

The answer is fried chicken. You want to say fried chicken? It's got to be. It was a pleasure to do you. Yeah, Logan nailed it. I love traveling. But I always feel self-conscious when I can't. speak the local language fluently. If you want to stop hesitating and start speaking with real confidence,

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We nailed that. We mailed it. Sometimes you do things hundreds of times, then you forget how to do it. Yeah, like breathe. Like breathe. Sometimes, you know, you have a little panic attack. That's why some people have, like, tattoos on their wrist that say breathe. I know.

And if you ever see them, I turn them blue, you just point to their wrist. And then they go, and they remember. All right. Okay, we're going to switch it up. Oh. And we're going to do a non-food opinion. Oh. What?

What's your favorite color? Hey, guys. Lipson Mistan here. Another question about food. But, you know, I'm 16, almost 17, working with a summer internship at a form, which is moving. That's why. I mean, I'm in kind of quiet right now, but, yeah. Anyway, I want to know, is there something that you knew you wanted to do after high school that, I mean, obviously, you didn't go into?

because I know this is not my dream situation. I do not want to be working in agriculture, especially not in Wisconsin. It's too big. There's too many surrounding things. I really want to be an archaeologist, but in Wisconsin there's no degrees in colleges. And I'm going into my junior year,

and obviously thinking about colleges, I know I don't want to go out of state because my family is broke. But, yeah, if you think, could tell me when you were 17, what was your dream job after high school? Thanks, guys. Your pod is my face. Love you bye. Bye. Do you want to go first? I can go first. You go first. Okay. When I was 17. So I'm just going to tell you all about all the jobs I wanted from like when I was like 10 onwards. Okay. First job I ever want. I want to be a songwriter. And then I was like, I don't write songs. It's just a cool a title. And then I was like, I want to be a Broadway star, obviously not doing that.

And then I was like, you know what? I saw a documentary about genie, no genius. It was a feral child that was found in a house in California. And I was like, I want to be a psychiatrist that helps feral children re-alcimate into society. And then I was like... Big market for that gig. Yeah. And then I was like, hmm, that's probably not going to really work.

And then I was like, oh, I just want to be a mom. I don't want a job. I just want to be a mom. That's what I'm going to do. And then I worked, my first job was at Lush Cosmetics, loved it. Then I worked at Levi's jeans, loved it. Then I worked at a chocolate store, loved it. And then I also always wanted to be a therapist for abnormal, like sexual psychology.

Like I wanted to be sex therapist. Whatever. I wanted to be like a sex therapist really badly. Like I'm like when I was like 19, I'm like, I'm going to go to school for, I'm going to. Oh, and then I wanted to be an English teacher really badly. So while I was in community college, I'm like, oh, I'm going to take all of these like English classes. I'm going to take Shakespearean, whatever, learn about, whatever. And then I was like, I don't want to do any of that because while I wanted to become an English professor, I was working out of the chocolate store.

And I'm like, you know what? I think I want to work in food for the rest of my life. And then that's what I ended up doing. So when I was 19, I decided what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. I wanted to deliver high-performance key indicators for shareholders. Since birth. I for real, I didn't have a dream job. You never had a dream job?

My dream job, I just said that I'm going to somehow, I'm going to work for the government. I'm going to get a normal ass job, and I'm going to do slightly better than my father did. And that was it. I think you're doing slightly better than your father. I think so. So you don't work in government. I just, I didn't permit myself to dream. You know?

I really never did. And so I don't know. There's a part of me that thinks having low expect, people get upset when I say this, that having low expectations is really a key to life in a lot of ways. I think right now we are suffering from a tremendous amount of expectations. Everybody thinking they, I know so many people that are just trying to be, not even like L.A. people, just normal people who are like, I have an Instagram influencer account for my dog. You know, people have all these expectations for how life should be. And I don't know. I think it's a lot simply. I think you should do something that you love. And I think if archaeology is the thing that you love. Totally. Doesn't matter if there's a college degree for it at all. You might.

I don't know. I don't think being an archaeologist is like being a lawyer where you need to pass a bar, right? We don't have college degrees. No, no, no, no, no. I think you would be, you would be much better off if you were to just like... Go on an ex edition with someone? I mean, yeah, try and just make friends in contacts with people and then study the closest related thing you can at the state schools. Such a good idea, you want to, and then just try and get into it through that. Amen. Yeah, but I don't know. I think to me, sometimes when you have a dream job, you have this box that you think you should check on paper, and then you actually experience it,

and it's not what it lived up to. I mean, in theory, the idea of me writing about food was a dream job. At 17, I certainly never thought I'd do that. But later in college, I was like, oh, I can't do this. And then suddenly I was, you know, a full-time editor and writer for a James Beard Award-winning magazine, and I had a corporate card where I could eat food. But I was making no money,

and I was miserable at work. constantly, and I kept telling myself, oh, you have a dream job, but there was this massive cognitive dissonance with the fact that I was miserable every single day. You know, and so a lot of times I think these expectations can be a bit of a prison. Sure. Yeah. So also, if, say, you end up doing anything with archaeology and you don't like it, you don't have to hold onto it just because you thought it was, quote, unquote, a dream job.

That's my advice. Totally. That's really, that's great advice. You know? So. Imagine if you were a sex therapist instead of talking about hot dogs and me. Oh, my God. I would

I don't know I don't know who that person would be Yeah I'd be a very different person And if you stayed at L.A. Mag You'd probably be a very different person too Oh god they got bought and sold By just so many weird companies

I know but you would have been a different But like You would have been a totally different person I would have been a totally different person Logan How about you say it Say say what your dream job was if you ever had Mine was I wanted to be the first

Female Baseball player in the MLB At 17 Oh, not at 17 That was actually for a while though That's a beautiful dream And then I wanted to be a comment Like a tennis commentator Oh, hell yeah

Then I wanted to write I wanted to write for SNL I think that was when I was 17 I was like writing scripts and stuff like that But for a long time I held on to that baseball dream Like how long until you figured that you weren't going to do it Probably like 10 or 12 maybe

Because then I got They like I try to play baseball for as long as I could and then they were like, you have to go play softball now. And then I just, like, didn't like softball as much as I love baseball. Were you playing baseball against dudes? Yeah. Wow.

And then they were like, you can't do this anymore. So then I did softball, and I just didn't love it as much. I don't know why. How old were you when you saw it was named Monet Davis? Oh, gosh. I don't remember. She's probably the closest. She's probably played at the highest level of any woman, right?

Exactly. I remember her. I don't remember, yeah, what year that was, but I remember. Yeah. Wow. It's wild. Yeah. Wow.

Crazy. So, yeah, instead of archaeology, you could be the first, you could shatter Logan's old dreams. Yeah, there you go. I don't know, if you play baseball, but pick up a mitt. Or just, I don't know, find a feral child and rehabilitate them. How many feral children per year? America, how many feral children per year? Like, you don't get it.

Like, what are you going to work? Like, one week a year? Yeah, like, I was just, like, you know what I mean? That's a guy's a side hustle. And then I went down a wiki hole, which I used to do as a kid. It's like driving Uber during a slow period. It's like a substitute teacher driving Uber. You don't understand.

No, no, no, no, no. I would go down it, and then I would go down the Wikipedia rabbit hole of feral children found. And I'm like, oh my God, there was like tens of them. I can do that. I drive Uber Monday through Friday. I do feral child rehabilitation. And we're not talking about like underdeveloped.

Like we're talking about no contact with parents raised by bobcats. Like literally like in a dark room 23 hours, like tied to a chair. Oh, God. Like my dream was that the case with. Jeannie. Oh, fuck. My dream was to find children like that and rehabilitate them into society and make them normal. That was my dream.

Oh, God. What, I mean, noble work, but those stories, you get bummed out by my, like, mildly unpleasant childhood at times. I don't know if you understand. I can't deal with those stories. Sure, sure, sure. But, like, yeah, the, like, the, like, parent had a psychotic break and locked him in a room for 23 hours and put a padlock on the door. Yeah. And the dad would growl at her when she would make noise.

Oh, God. I must to take those kinds of children and be like, there's life after this that's worth living. Like, that was my dream when I was like 17 years old. I read those stories. You ever read a child called it? Yeah. Yeah, who knows if that was, yeah.

But anyways, like, I had a nice normal child. I had a skateboard. I scrapped money for burritos. I had a great time, you know? I didn't get hit that much. Like, it was fine. You know what I mean? So, yeah.

But, you know, so many different versions of me could have existed. and I think that's really beautiful. Yeah. Let's talk about, I don't know, cool whip-ups on hot dogs now. Hi, Josh, Nicole, and the rest of the backbone of mythic. Yeah.

Clock it. Clock it. My opinion casserole, I have kind of three. They all go together. So, number one, the best burritos are made with Street Taco.

Oh. Oh. Or I guess you can say not burritos, chimi changas. Huh? Also, how small of a burrito do you think you can make? I would love to know that. So interesting. Two.

Why are you holding your mic like that? Homemade Mexican food is the best when you add cinnamon. You cannot have cereal cinnamon in your homemade food. I don't want that shit. All right. This is quaint. This is the most unhinged. They ever heard.

Is that leftover tacos Are the best tacos Or leftover many burritos, if you will What's going on? Okay, bye, thank you. Josh, be serious. I am serious. What the hell's going?

Where's she from? Okay, number one. No. I need to know where she's... I think they're from like Nova Scotia. Newfoundland, yeah, I was thinking like Eastern Seaboard Canada

Okay. Because the way they were talking... That's what I was thinking. The way they were talking about Mexican food was as if it was a foreign object that they discovered like three years ago, but developed very strong opinions on. Let me tell you. No shade.

Well, yeah, a little bit, I guess. I'm so sorry. I'm going to shade you a little bit because if someone were saying this to me to my face, I would give the same level of like honesty and respect that you deserve. What are you saying in the first one? IDK. The best burritos are made with street taco shells. I don't know what those words mean next.

number two a little cinnamon I love sometimes whenever I'm like whenever I'm like brazing a large shank of sorts I throw on a cinnamon stick I agree I think cinnamon that's that's a good that's a good one but but but like I love I'll make

chorizo and I throw a little bit of cinnamon there I think it's nice but then to go if there's no cinnamon in it I don't want that shit that's wild energy to bring you know to look because there's plenty of great Mexican food with no cinnamon but I a little bit of cinnamon

like a cinnamon Like a dash of cinnamon in the beans? 100%. I love that. Not in the rice. Oh, God. Cinnamon, the coffee. Oh, my God.

Cafe de Oia? Oh, my God. What's the last one? Oh, the best tacos are leftover? I couldn't disagree with you anymore. Jonathan Gold said it best when he said to taco properly is a verb. It's an action between the takero and the taco eater. You know what I mean?

It's like tacos got to be made fresh and eaten right away. Yeah. Even when I'm at home, when I'm at home, I'll be my own street, my own street vendor. Hello. Hi, how are you? Can I please get three asada tacos? Uno taco de assata with all. I speak Spanish.

Sorry, sorry. No, let's take care of a sada. Okay. Despoio? Yes. It's not here. No, but like. Number 24.

If I want four tacos. If I want four tacos. If I want four tacos, I don't make four tacos and then sit down and eat them. I make two, I'm not crazy. I don't go one by one. I make two tacos. And then I go back and I make myself two fresh. So fresh-critled tortilla, reheat the meat, you know, cilantro a saboyita, a bit of sarsita, you know what I mean?

Like, you do the damn thing. Yeah. Because like a cold taco, especially corn tortilla. And reheated? Corn tortilla is cold are so bad. They're sad. Flower tortillas can be better, but there's something I have. a cold corn tortilla, that is like the same.

Warm fresh corn tortilla, wonderful. Leftover tacos. I don't like them. Wrap them in a paper towel, steam them, do a little taco de canasta. Taco of vapor. Whatever Josh says. I knew anything, the only thing better than a Tito's taco. Is too.

Sorry, it took me a while. I was thinking about their first point. Oh. Strange. Burritos are made with street taco shells. I think they mean a burrito. If anybody refers to a tortilla as a shell. I think they're coming at Mexican food through a very specific lens, if that makes sense.

Because the term shell is only used in, like, Taco Bell context. White people taco night. Of, you know, a hard taco shell. There's no soft taco shell. It's just called a tortilla. Right. And so what I think they're maybe talking about is just the size of a burrito. But then you can only really make burritos with flour tortillas, right?

When then they started talking about how small can you make a burrito? And then they said the word mini burritos. I'm all confused. I think they like small mini burritos made with the size of tortilla. That would be appropriate for a small... And that's my fault. I'm just reporting the facts here. I'm reporting the facts.

I do agree that small burritos. That's my birdies. Small burritos are wonderful. My favorite burritos are probably made with like an 8-inch tortilla. This guy's going to talk about chivichongas. No, I'm talking about Burritos la Palma. Burritos la Palma is my fair burrito. It's much better than Los Burritos.

It's like a go-gurt. Yeah, I love it. I love it. You can eat four of them. The other day I went to guisados and I got a burrito. Oh my gosh. I've never had a breeder from a... It was $10.72.

Great deal. Incredible. And it was big. What kind of meat? I got a chili a yano burrito. Because that's probably my favorite kind of burrito to get. Dude, La Azteca tortillas chile-Ran burrito. I still have a bit.

Heartbroken. My core son is roped. What is? What is what is what is the last one? Ke lastima? Or it should last? No. What is what is what ischia mean?

I was talking about this the other day. What a pity. What a pity. What a pity. I don't know any Spanish. Ke lastima. Pobrecyto. On that note, the national dish in America is a chili rana burrito.

No, it's fried chicken. It's fried chicken. Thank you so much for being here. A glass of milk is the dish. It's a drink. It's a glass of milk. The glass of milk? What's more American than a glass of whole milk?

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