A Lot On Your Plate - Jamie Genevieve on Motherhood, Building VIEVE & Life in Glasgow

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

It's the episode you've all been waiting for... we're finally sitting down with the one and only, Jamie Genevieve!Jamie takes us behind the scenes of building VIEVE into a global beauty brand while staying true to her Glasgow roots. We chat motherhood, marriage, nurturing and making friendships in your 30s, success & and the lessons she's learned along the way.We also discuss VIEVE being the official supporters of the Commonwealth Games 2026!As always, we answer one of your listener dilemmas together and finish with a beauty quick-fire, sharing the products, treatments and tips she swears by.Its such an honest, inspiring and uplifting conversation, she's an absolute force to be reckoned with and all whilst being 38 weeks pregnant!So grab yourself a cuppa, a wine and run yourself a bath and enjoy the next 90 minutes with us!LOVE YOU xGot a story or dilemma you'd like to share? Pop us a DM on socials or email [e-mail]!Join us over on Patreon for more from our chat with Jamie this Friday as well as bonus vlog-style content, competitions, group chat, early access to tickets and looooads more! See you there piggies 💖 patreon.com/ALotOnYourPlate Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Guys, welcome back to A Lot on Your Plate and we have a very special episode for you today. We are so excited about this and it's our fourth birthday this week. Four big years. Four years to us. Happy birthday. And I think we've given ourselves the best ever birthday gift. I agree. Our dream guest.

Our dream guest. Are you ready? Are you freaking ready for this? We are so excited to be joined. by the one and only Jamie Genevieve, one of the UK's most influential beauty entrepreneurs. And she's the queen of Bloody Glasgow. Absolutely.

You gurneys have wanted this so much. For anyone who doesn't know Jamie, she is the founder of Vieve, the amazing makeup and beauty brand that we absolutely love and rave about. Our makeup bags, overspilling of the stuff. It is.

She started on makeup counters, and worked away up as a beauty influencer and now has the amazing VIV which is one of the fastest growing beauty brands in the world. She's also a mum of gorgeous Romy. She's a wife and she's pregnant. She's actually about to pop in a couple of weeks' time with her second baby girl.

We feel honoured. We have a very inspiring talk about her journey of VIV. Motherhood, how she nourishes friendships in her 30s. We also answer one of our listeners' dilemmas, which she helps us unpack together. And she gives us some insight into some industry secrets

and product fails, shall we say. And yeah, we hope you enjoy the episode and please let us know your thoughts. Please like us on Spotify. Subscribe to us on YouTube. You can also get this episode on YouTube and Jamie will be joining us over on Patreon on Friday for an extra special side dish episode.

Right, enjoy the episode guys. we love you so much. Hello guys and welcome back to A Loss on Your Plate. We have Jamie in the studio. Yay! Hello. Bye, Lily. Hi, Queen.

Hi. I'm good. I'm good. I'm rotund. You look absolutely amazing by the way. I'm lucky. I'm actually, I'm feeling quite good to do. Yeah?

Yeah. You do look gorgeous. Had a wee Coke Zero with my lunch. By the time this pod comes out, you may have two daughters. When does it come out? Tuesday? You never know. Oh my God, is it Tuesday? Potentially, yeah.

Next Tuesday? Yeah. You might. You might. I might. It could happen at any time. You don't own these shoes to make a big mess on it. It's a nice part of the drama, isn't it? Tell us why a lot on your plane?

I'm really excited. When I got here, I was like, have you ever asked me to do this? I'm like, yeah. We were talking about podcasts, my team, who are mostly based in London were talking about podcasts and I remember just thinking can I just do a fun one

can I do a fun one and I was like my friends have got a podcast can I just can I go on that one please so here I love that thank you so much thank you for having me honestly we are delighted I'm buzzing

I suppose a lot of them can be quite like businessy yeah like stuffy which you need to do that as well but it's good to we laugh every soft you know we giggle I felt very relaxed coming here and there's some of the podcast that I've done down south in particular

that it's at the end of a really busy few days and I go and I'm just a bit like very, very conscious of what I'm saying, very conscious of just all of it and it's just I'm just shattered after it whereas I don't feel like that. I do care just in case it sounds like I don't. That's good though. We felt really relaxed as well because like I say obviously we're friends but it's just so nice

it's kind of fun. Yeah. So how's life at the moment? Oh my God, it's good, it's busy. It's crazy. I'm wrapping up work this week so I've got a few days left and it's quite mental getting everyone ready for me to have some time off

yeah I can imagine that's a lot it's different this time though I think when I had RoMate that was like three years ago the business is really different now three years on like the team's different in the way that we're kind of built so I feel really good about taking a step back for a few months

and I think I think the They care so much that I think the accountability they've got on themselves while I'm off will keep them going. I'm really lucky I've got a great team. And they're all really encouraging for obviously for me to go and have this time. Yeah. That's nice. That's going to be amazing. I can't believe it.

I can't believe that I'm not going to work for a while. Obviously, baby. I will have a baby. Just a different job. Different job and it is. It's mental. It's so crazy as though. You don't know what you're going to get.

You try and make plans. It's like you try and make plans for even like what baby grows to buy and you're like you don't know what size they're going to be. Yeah. What if it's a wee sparrow? What if it's a wee sparrow you have and then a wee sparrow? And you need the, the, what is, whatever it is, the first, first size. But you say that you're, the tummy's 100% percent. Our percentile is for, I think head and legs is just normal and her tummy's 100 percent.

So she's got a wee chunky tummy. Queen. Oh, that's what you want the one. Oh, I love it. A little bit chunky babbing. As fellow Glasgow girls, what's one thing you'll always love about Glasgow? I like this part. I just, see, because I go away for work quite a lot, I used to do a lot more of it.

Yeah. And then, since launching the brand, I'm mostly, like, in the UK, but up and down, I've done some stuff in America and things. I love coming home. Yeah. I love it. I feel like I can, like, take a big deep breath and exhale. And it is, it is so cliche, isn't it?

But it really is the people. There's just a way of life here that's... 100%, a pace that's... pace that's nice. You've still got really driven and ambitious people. But it's not like the rat race. I don't think. There's no place like Hame. No place like Hame. So do you ever think you would ever leave Glasgow? Was there any point in your career

where you thought I should maybe move down to London for the rat race? Especially in the sort of field that you're in. Was it precious for that at all? I remember me and Jackie, we talked about moving to L.A. a long time ago. Yeah. Because we were at such a weird point where the whole online thing was kicking on. it was going crazy. People thought I was American anyway before they heard me speak. So it was back in the day when Instagram was just pictures. Yeah, good old days. And then I started a YouTube channel and everyone was like, oh my god, you're Scottish.

So the business, that kind of industry is much, much bigger in America. Yeah. And it's more lucrative and more work. But we decided against it and I'm really glad, that we did. London, I'm too frugal. I can't even think about paying London price. for houses and rent and stuff. It's wild. It's mad. So see for like I can go down and get loads of really good work done in a few days in London and enjoy it and staying so whole, which is near the office and just like really make the most of it and then come home. Yeah.

And I just, I just, I actually, I love, I actually feel like I love Scotland more than ever. Yeah. I don't know whether it's the World Cup. Maybe. I think it's the World Cup. I think we're all loving it. I think the whole world loves Scotland even more. Yeah.

Yeah. Actually, I do. But I've always been proud. to be Scottish and Glasgow's home for me for sure. I've lived in Glasgow since I was 11. It was Jack. I said, we've done this Commonwealth partnership, right? I know, congratulations.

That's so cool. It's so fun. But in the voiceover, I said Glasgow's always been home to me. And Jack was like, no, it's not. Because I'm from Tilly Cootry, which is like a wee village. Where Stirling Home is? Yeah. Yes.

Oh, my God, you went there? I was thinking there. Tilly Coatley, near Sterland. Is that where you're from? Yeah. So I'm from. I never knew you were a Staling girl. Oh, he's been a very.

bit pernackety there, Jack, come on. He is, he is. He's a froth for Glasgow boy, though, I guess. But no, it's totally home. And I just, I don't think I could, don't get me wrong. Holiday home one day. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with that. Somewhere for the family together. Somewhere for the friends together and leave the family at home. Yeah.

Perfect. But always a home in Glasgow. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. What's your favourite Glasgow restaurant then? Do you know who? I'm quite, I'm quite obsessed with Crabshack. Are you? Right.

All of the stuff online about that is. No, but that's what makes me laugh. This man that keeps on popping up talking about causing chaos in Crapshack. Oh, it was pretty iconic that. But then I've had two probably of like my favourite meals in Crapshack. And to the point where I'm like, oh, I can't get why he's so upset. But see, as well, see the girls that are dancing. Yeah.

Oh my God, I can't cope. That was so funny that was, wasn't it? I forgot about that. Well, you're quite free-free-pred in Don Castanza as well. We all love that, don't know. Donkustanzo is amazing. Home from home. I think Donkustanzo, I think Krab Shack,

I think, always loved Ox and Finch as well since they started. And then all the other stuff that they've done. Margo, Capal. Yeah. Oh my God, Sebs. Sebs. How good?

Yeah, I love Sebs, yeah. Sebs was really missing cocktails. Oh my, what's your drink of choice? A Hugo. Is it? He goes spreads. I've got it saved in my thing, in my reels for when this baby is out of me.

You're going to be having that? I'm going to have that. Have you seen the rosy wine? sprits. Yes. So it was rosy wine, elder flour, hundreds of ice, a bit of soda,

I'm going to drink that. Yes. In the hospital. Yes, I should. In a flask. And do you think being from Glasgow is kind of shaped who you are today? Like,

you think it's kept you quite good banter on that? Do you know what? Yeah, I think so. I think there's something about coming from the countryside and then moving to Glasgow for high school. It's very, very, very. eye opening

I don't think I think it made me I don't think I got my banter until later in life because I had a horrible time in that school I really did not love it at all but I'm so grateful I've said to my dad loads of times I'm so grateful that we moved out of the sticks and into the city

because I don't I think without moves like that you might just think you're not for something does that make sense if you grow up and you live in a village and that's your, you can kind of almost decide that that's your lot. Yeah. So moving to Glasgow and then, you know, it's amazing, isn't it?

The more time you spend in bigger, busier places, they all start feeling small. Like London feels small to me now. Does it? Yeah, yeah. Like, because I just know it so well and I'm there all the time. Whereas the first time I went, I remember being really overwhelmed by it. Yeah.

So, no, I think it definitely, living in Glasgow, growing up in Glasgow keeps you, I think, really grounded. I do think that. I agree. I mean, I'm obviously not from here, but... I think you're an honorary, Scott, big time, though. I've never met. Someone that loves Scotland so much.

Do we call you English? Honestly, not really at this point. Only we're trying to wind it up. I feel like I've spent more of my years of who I am becoming myself here than I was in Lesterlo. Yeah, I don't think here. Do you know what I mean by that? I don't, yeah, yeah, totally. Because I actually think that if we could give someone...

Give me like a card to say, here you go. Adopted Scott. Yeah. Thank you. That's a big comfortable. I think you fly the Scottish flag. More than more Scottish people. Yeah, absolutely do. Most of my team's English. Yeah.

And I think that they like the Scottish part of their work. Yeah, I think, yeah, they do for sure. Maybe they just obviously wouldn't say anything to me. Did they come up much? They do, yeah, especially in the last wee while I've not been able to travel. They've been up visiting. They all love it here. Like they don't want to go, especially as well. Like, see the office that we've got in London.

It's lovely. haven't got it's gorgeous. It's small. It's really small. Whereas the office that we've got up here, which is shared between like two, three, four people at max, big high ceilings and space. And it's just, it's amazing.

So they, no, they love it when they come up. And they love the people. And we've obviously, we've got our shop. So we bring people up from London or whatever. Yeah, and to just experience it. Because the shop floor team that we've got, all the guys that work in that shop are the best. Yes.

The best. And coming from counter, I know how important that is. So I really really want them to see that and witness it because there's a way that they take care of customers in a way that's not like sacchar and sweet. It's not pure, it's not too much. I just, I'm so proud of them. I love it. So they get quite into Glasgow when they come up, which is good. I think that's what happens, though. I think when you've not been, you kind of turn your nose up at it a bit. But then as soon as you've been, you're like, I fucking love it up there. Yeah, everyone loves it. I think they just need to get up and see what it. A lot of people don't realise either how close Edinburgh and Glasgow are.

It's crazy that it's only 45 minute driveway, but you know what? You say that to any Glasgow region that Edinburgh is so close and really not. I mean, I can't be asked it so far. But back home they're like, I never realise it was that close. I'm like, you could literally do both in a weekend if you wanted to. Yeah, you could. But don't ask me to go for dinner in Edinburgh. No, no, no, no, no, no, never.

The trains and all that, it's too long. It's miles away. And was it really important for you to open your first store and Glasgow? Yes, yeah, there was no other way. Tell us why. Oh my God, I feel like I'd get my head to play with if I didn't. Yeah, you're going to be there. This is the good thing as well and I think it's a really funny thing about being a business owner, especially being so visible. Like I'm not in the campaigns. I'm not a model so I'm not in the campaigns. I don't want to, like, I'm very happy being in the brand as like an educator and sharing the way that I've always done. But my audience and our customer know exactly where to come to get me. So it's not customer service that get messages, it's me. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When something's great or when something's gone wrong, they message me. If someone has an amazing experience in the shop, they'll message me. If someone hasn't had a nice experience, they'll message me and I will fix it. Yeah. And it'll be like that.

Right. I'm on it. So it's actually, when we were talking about opening a shop, I, there couldn't have been another way. Yeah, you don't even think about another option. Because people would be like, are you joking? We've built this with you.

And I'm like, no, you're on our doorstep. If anyone wondering, it's based on Buchanan Street in Glasgow. That's right. Just near John Lewis. That's right. That's right.

It's a lovely stall. I love it. It smells great when you walk in. Oh, it does smell. That's the signature. That's a signature we've sent, my guess. I know, we should have. I've got it in my living room.

You have. I love it. It's so gorgeous. I was turning to me things to get a scent up, you know. And you can also, Buy it in Space NK? We're in quite a few now.

We're in Space NK. We're in like in real life, H Beauty. Yes, there you are. Sephora. A couple of beauty, so. Cool beauty. We just love it. You guys are about, no, but I've saw you.

I saw your makeup bag. I saw your weave. It's full of beef. You're that peeking in making sure. That's one of my favorite things as well. See if I'm out and about. Especially like in a pub and someone just comes up to me and they're just holding my stuff.

Me and Jack were doing our food shop and a car went past. in front of us were coming out the car park and there was just a girl chap in the window and then showing me our bounce bam or lip balm I've not tried bounce bam actually you've not tried it no that's your lip gloss right it's the lip balm I've got one in my bag

that's almost brand new that I'll just give you today perfect thank you kissed by me oh yeah I'll see it up with on eBay tell us more about the Commonwealth Games then what does this mean to you it's the coolest thing it's the I feel like there's a real moment right now

about weirdly about sport I'm not a sporty person right I'll be so honest I tried running with Jack once and I burst out crying a minute in horrendous I burst at crying

everyone knows my running thoughts I don't run not running I'm not running either and I'll make the excuse I'll talk about my knees I'll talk about my joints I could taste blood

after 45 seconds no I couldn't do it so I burst out crying and I went home Jack's but Jack's the kind of man who he decided one day he was going to run a marathon and he did it in three and a half hours

Did he? Yeah. Jesus. It's just like an overachiever. Well done, Jack. So I was never, I'm never sporty, really sporty in school. I was really good at Shotput. Perfect.

So good to know. But there's a real moment around sport in general, obviously with the World Cup. Like that's a big thing. But there's a huge thing about women's sports right now. Are you noticing this? Yes. It's exciting to me. And like a friend of ours had a,

a season ticket for the Arsenal women's team and you've got that amazing women rugby player who's built like a fucking tank who's amazing so there's loads of like really strong female representation

Caroline Weir met her in the shop Scotland team football captain played for Real Madrid and is now playing for Leon like it's amazing it's so exciting and then the Commonwealth Games it kind of came about in a really nice

holistic way and I'll like my team totally led that but how amazing that they knew how important that would be for us to support something so amazing happening in Scotland and I am so over any kind of stereotypes when it comes to women like you need to pick between sport and makeup

as such bullshit. We can do both honey we can do everything we can do everything it's exhausting but we will we're not going about it but we're not good but we try but I feel like it's It's like the Scottish thing, it's the being a woman thing, and it all kind of coming together and feeling really great.

And like so many of the athletes and the cast, I know are really excited to be sponsored by a company, a brand that they actually can maybe relate to a little bit more. Yeah, totally, yeah. Because it's not the whole, you know, you get your beauty girls and then you get your sports girls, you get your tomboy's and your girly girl, it's not like that at all. Yeah.

And I think maybe being a mother of daughters, it makes me feel more impassioned. about it. I love that. I love that as well. I just love Glasgow. I just love Glasgow. It makes me buzz. It makes me really excited and there's nothing like... I've spent more time in the town lately

and see in just Becannis Street and Buzzie, don't get me wrong, it's a bit mental sometimes. It's what you see in Glasgow. It can be a lot. Too much. I was a bit, I got a bit of a fright. Yeah, you might turn down different streets. There's just lots going on.

But, no, you can't be helped but be, really proud, I think. We were actually saying that, though, about Glasgow and just the High Street in general, but we're so glad to see High Street coming back and just shocks. And it's amazing how much retail is coming back from like pre-COVID. And COVID became quite scary time, didn't it? Yeah. And Glasgow's looking rough.

She was looking really rough. Yeah. And now she's had a glow up. She's getting better. And we're getting things other people have. She's healing. Yes. Scotland healed the world.

I think so. We didn't. At the World Cup. We didn't heal the world. Right. Let's talk a little bit about life right now then. So I use someone who can switch off from work. Like, seriously?

You know, weirdly, yeah, I can. See, unless I'm pissed off about having to think about something. See if it's something I don't want to do, that's different. I'll probably fix it and ruminate and stress myself out. But see, because I mostly really just love everything I'm doing. And I'm quite good at the weekends as well. That's proper Romy time. That's family time.

You'll see me cutting about. You've been quite strict with that, haven't you? Yeah. Keeping weekends as family time. And like a lot of the time, you know, Jack, go pick up from nursery or but then like sometimes I'll just go and I'll work later on and catch up on

things so yeah I'm quite I think I'm good at switching off but I do really love my work so I'll find myself working at night maybe that doesn't feel like work to you though oh my gosh I get a job that you love and you'll never feel like you work a day in your life

no I definitely feel like I'll work good work good does anyone actually feel like that surely not not me anyway Do you know, maybe see back in my heyday influencing career when I was always on a plane somewhere nice Oh, yeah, sure

Sure, I used to be at the front of the plane Now I sat at the back of the plane But you know what, I love it, I wouldn't have it any other way Exactly And what does like a weekend switching off look like to you? Right, so I grew up with something called Sweetie Night on a Friday night And it was a way to stop meeting sweets through the week

Did you have this? No, but I love it. So on Friday night is Sweetie Night So Romy wakes up on a Friday morning and she's like beside herself because she's like, it's sweetie night today. No, she can't believe it. And she goes and she gets a wee packet Milky Way stars or whatever. Sometimes she's just like me though.

Sometimes she picks up the bright blue sweets and that's my favourite. The millions? You're not allowed them yet. Well, the Bimp-tri-Bubons. Brain liquors and all. Oh my God, they're sour. That's what I like. Yeah, I like a sour sweet as well.

I like, yeah, e-numbers. Pure e-numbers. So she gets a wee sweetie, so she's really excited about that. So on the way home from nursery, we'll go and we'll get sweeties. And we have just honestly really chill time. And what we're quite good at is on a Saturday and a Sunday, the morning is spent out doing something. And then we get home and then we have a bit of chill time

and then we'll do stuff in the house. And I think it's different. I think we need to be quite regimented with that because I just am physically completely incapable at the moment. Yeah. See if I walk for more than a couple hours. I'm like, that's me on the couch. I can't move

and Romeo will be like come and play and I'm dragging my like partially lifeless body to her room to play bookshop that's her favourite game just now she's very imaginative that's great she's a lot of that

I create a brain she's very bossy as well in a good way I like that word I think we should start using it more in a good way I like the word bossy she's really bossy

and so she just likes to read books and she likes to sell you books sell you book yeah and they cost money and she says you can browse my selection and she's hilarious she's so so

funny, she cracks me up. I think that's a funny age though. Yeah. Because they understand. Yeah, yeah. And do you know that our female dog is a security guard? And there's a whole big thing and it's because when she's acting up in a shop

we always alert Rumi to the security guard who's watching her. And she's like that. So now she's going on for her shop? Yeah, probably traumatized of her thing but she behaves. Yeah. How are the dogs with her?

Oh, they're great. She's not arsed about them. She wants a cat. She wants a Maine Coon. Does she? She wants a big cat. And she says, I said that we can't get a cat because Drubber would eat it.

And she said, well, Drubber can go away. And Robber's really old. No. So he's going to probably go away soon. And he resembles the taxidermy fox. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, he says at the edge, we talk about them a lot. He's just a wee bit like out of whack.

He's the best. He's very deaf. Yeah, he's the best. He's hanging in there. He's doing good. No, that makes me honestly. It's sad, but Romy could not care less. She's like...

She's like, the sooner you're gone, the better. You can go and then I can get my big cat. I can get my big cat. Have you showed her my cats before? I'm sure you've messaged me before and I put them on the... Yeah, she loves. Love any cat. Any cat.

My mum and dad have a cat. Any cat she sees, she's like, I want a cat. And she's not really arse about the dogs. That's because you've got dogs. See if you didn't have dogs. I think so. I think so. Yeah, I agree.

Typical children that time. Not happy with what they've got. And what's something that's really changed in your life or you've changed your mind about something in the last year or so? Oh. Big switch. Oh, that's a great question. There's something about, did you get this with pregnancy?

It just makes you care a lot less about everything. Especially when you hit your mid-30s as well. Yeah, you did say that. What a relief. I wish that someone actually came and did like a talk when you're in your early 20s. To say you won't care about what's going to happen to you. Because it's amazing. It's like the most freeing thing.

And then I've heard the only the next thing that happens that's just as good if not better as menopause. You want to go through menopause, you do not care about anything. Yeah, I can imagine that, you know. Yeah. So it's like it's a really fun thing. I think it puts your perspective in a really good place.

Yeah. But one thing that I've changed my mind about in last year. Last five years. In the last five years, okay. We can extend it. Right, okay, thanks. Oh my God, I feel like an entirely different person. person than I was five years ago.

I think I've chilled right out. Actually, there's some... Jane's like, mm-hmm. Some of my friends have said that since I've become a mum, weirdly, I'm illowed right out. Why, were you highly strung? I don't know, apparently. Was I?

I'm not really strong. I think I cared a lot more about maybe things that didn't matter. Yeah. I think I maybe cared more about... What's all been hard, especially with the amount of followers that you've got, putting your life on YouTube, it's intense. Yeah. yeah yeah do you know it's mad

because see at the time it just never felt like that I just I think I was so in it and I loved it so much and because I am such an open book like I will happily talk about my personal struggles and just how I feel and how I think like when it comes to me personally the boundaries around that are quite firm though

you're quite fiercely protective about the people around you like I'll talk about my experience in motherhood but I'm not going to talk about apart from like silly little anecdotes that I've shared today like Romi I won't really go into detail about Romey So I think boundaries have changed hugely probably in the last year and in the last five years big time

but not in a cagey way, not in a closed off way in a way that just feels much healthier for me Yeah, that's good I do think that's important because we even said that sometimes we'll like overshare on a story about like Jason or bitch or whatever on here and we go to listen to it and I'm like cut that out Because you almost forget

They've not asked for me to tell anyone that story Yeah It is difficult isn't it The balance is hard. It's hard to find that balance because also it's what makes people interested or they can relate to them. Exactly.

Yeah. No, I do get that. But I agree with you when becoming a mum, you just become sort of fiercely protective over, you know, you're responsible for a whole of the life. Yeah. And you just become so protective over them and your peace and their upbringing really.

Yeah. Yeah. So what's one thing you're saying no to all these days? Everything. I am I used right this is an amazing thing and I highly I invite you to join me if you don't do it already I'm ready I under promise and over deliver all the time now brilliant advice life changing everyone thinks I am fantastic

give us an example um so sometimes my work can look quite a lot like um getting briefed to do like paid ads and things like that paid's a huge part of the business you know it's how people experience the brand, find the brand. So some weeks I'll just have huge lists of content to go through education stuff to film filming stuff for retailers. It can be just heavy on that plus all the meetings plus whatever else.

And I used to just say yes to all of it and then sometimes inevitably I'd have to be like I actually can't get all of this done. Whereas now what I do is I say yes to how much I can definitely manage and then with any time I call back I'll have time to creatively think about what I think will actually make a difference

and then film that and give that is like a bonus prize. Love that. Yeah, I do love that. Don't let anyone listen to that on the pod. We're like, we're expecting more, more, more. But it is something, there's something psychological in it as well because it gives you a wee bit of autonomy on your schedule

which, see, as someone that was self-employed for so long, did everything by myself. And my team's 35 people. It's got like a big team. Yeah, yeah, it's a big team. And that's not to say I'm in touch with everyone all the time, you know, like, like finance and things like that. I'm not I'm not finance girl. You're a creative girlie. I'm a creative girl and I'm product girly. So I know I know my path. So I'm not in touch with them all the time. But there are people that I talk to like every single day and just kind of earmarking that time for me to just have to be creative. Yeah. It's so it's like life changing to me. But you can do it. You can literally, you could do that across the board. It doesn't need to be work, but under promise and over-deliver.

I'm going to use that, thanks, that advice. You're so welcome. It's a pleasure. How are you feeling ahead of welcoming baby number two? I'm feeling weirdly relaxed. That's what I think. I'm going to cough her out. Yeah.

Fingers gross. Don't cough now. We joked. I remember when Romo was born. We talked a wee bit of a bit of. about birth stories and things and as far as stories go, I've got a really, like,

positive, great one. Like, really, I'm so lucky. But when Romney was born, I swear, she literally went, wha, and then that was her. She just went, wah, latched, fed, slept four hours, woke up, had a feed,

slept. I remember waking up and she was still sleeping and I was just like that. Is that how this is? I was honestly, it was like, it's like crack though. I literally was, I was so happy. And I was like all the hormones, huge crash on day three on the way to my husband's

parents' house. I was like, why have we left the house? But no, I just had the best time. And I think I've delusioned, you never know what you're going to get. But I've delusionally just, you know, I'm just thinking it's going to happen pretty similarly. You encapsulated your placenta as well. I did the same. I'm doing it again. Well, I said that. If I ever did it again, there's no way I wouldn't do it because I felt on top of the world, you know. I'm not testing yet. I'm not testing to see if it worked or not. Yeah, exactly. I'm taking that race.

No, I've literally organised that last week. Do you know how many people think that's so gross? I think it's kind of weird if you ate it raw or you put it in a smoothie, right? People do that. So I've got the worst gag reflex. My sickness this time's been really weird. I can't even brush my teeth without, hit the bulk. But see, if I, we had a baby shower and I was watching my friends try baby food and I was sitting retching in the corner.

So see even you saying that about the smoothie. Yeah. It's tough. Maybe that's shit. It's awful. Where does I take it? It literally just seems like a vitamin. It's like exactly a bit of some sort.

It's like exactly a bit of them. There's nothing worse in cod liver oil in a capsule. So it's a similar vibe. I'm taking like eight tablets a day or something just now as well. Because my like pregnancy vitamins are three tablets. They're really good though. Which ones do you take? Wild nutrition.

I took them as well. They were amazing. Really good. Yeah. Like I don't know why. I just think they're great. Yeah. Honestly, I felt great.

It wasn't until I hit four or five months in the sleep deprivation. crippled me. Did he not sleep at all? No, no. I had the complete opposite experience to you. In every way. But like, see when, I've seen videos of it and it's like, you cannot see that the experience of a mum with a baby

that doesn't sleep is the same as an experience with her mum with a baby that does sleep. My life changed when he slept. Oh yeah. Do you know what I mean? So I can imagine. But like I said to you, what you just said there, the first 10 days, that bubble

and maybe where I was taking those vitamins, I felt amazing. Yeah. I had more unageyjured than I did. I was up, I was doing my makeup at 5 in the morning, like a bit. bit frantic probably but I was just like, I can do it at all. On top of the world.

Looking back, you think, was that okay then, but you felt it at the time. Overachieving. Overachieving. Oh, I just loved it though. I'm excited for that again. And actually, it's really nice. The stage that Romney's at, she's the perfect age to help.

I was going to say she's going to help. Yeah, well yeah, because it's not like we want her to help. I'd have very happily, you know, she didn't want to help, she doesn't have to. But she's away at nursery practicing how to, like, wash, she's washing babies and being really gentle and telling all our friends and you have to be gentle with the baby

and checking the water's not too hot and stuff but we talk to Romi like she's like a proper wee person we don't talk to her like a kid and it's funny because you can see when she's like repeats it back to you like she mutters under her breath I told you that it's the funniest thing

it's the funniest thing it's just the best age right now yeah it's hard to say it's always getting better but it's the best age because you've got a proper wee pal. Like, we've started, you know, those, you know when you're getting, like, fits of laughter with your friend and you can't stop?

Yeah. We had that. Me and Romy had that for the first time. Oh, that's lovely. And it reminded me of me and my mum. Oh, nice. But she was making me laugh. And so, you know, I was proper laughing,

and she was proper laughing back at me, which made me laugh more to the point we were both in fits of laughter. And I'm like, oh, my goodness. Yeah. And I was like, you're literally three years old and you're like, my little, like, you are like, a best day.

Yeah. And you want to be careful, don't you? You never want to be like, oh, my little best friend, because it's like it's your parent, yeah, yeah. But at that moment in time, that was a wee besty moment. And I was like, oh, we're funny. We're having a good time.

Yeah, like, this is actually fun. And the relief in that is amazing. And then it's weird, you know, she said to me the other day, I can't remember where there was cooking going on or something. She was like, I'm just going to play in my room. And I was like, okay. She went away.

See ya. And she was just sitting playing in her room. And I was like, this is amazing. and then you do it all again. Yeah. How is she feeling about becoming a sister? I know she's obviously learning, but how does that feel even for you guys as well?

Well, because I'm an only child, I was quite even telling her that I was pregnant, I was actually a bit nervous because I was like, well, I just hate the idea of her thinking she was never not enough. And that's why we've had another. And then all my friends who have siblings are like, you're mental because the best gift my parents

could have ever given me was a sibling. And that's not always the case. There's loads of people that don't get on. with their siblings and stuff. Of course, yeah. I've got really good examples around me of siblings that really care about each other. Yeah.

You know, there's always got this family. So I can imagine there's like whatever it goes on. But the idea as well, have you seen this sad thing. It's like a sibling's the only person you'll have from the start to the end of your life. See? Like that. We're a little child as well.

And then I was like that. Oh, shit. But do you know where did you, do you wish she had a sibling? I remember, no. When I was young, no. and but weirdly when I had Romy I was like oh it would be so cool and it was weird it's not a brother

I thought it would be so cool to have a sister who had kids as well and cousins like cousins would be amazing I've got a small family as well so but what I'm really lucky this kid is kicking up in my ribs this is like why you're talking about me

she's sharp um the this is where I feel really really lucky with my friend group because we're tons of girls with tons of kids. The kids outnumber us. Yeah, so she's around other kids. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm the same. I would think that because I was only a child, I think I was pushed more into socialising a lot more, so I've got a lot of friends. Not loads with kids at the moment, but I think they'll get there. But he's around loads of,

he's got about a thousand aunties. But I've seen this. Fake, I've seen this. You're close friends. He's the most popular wee boy. He isn't he? I've ever seen. Loads of friends.

Do you know what I think is so funny, you know, when you were younger and your mum had, you had aunties but it was just like your mum's pal. Now you get it. And now you're kind of like, they weren't even my auntie. And now I'm like, I'm his auntie. Yeah. I'm not a fake auntie. Amy's auntie. You are.

He was. He loves you so much. But I don't need to have kids because I've got jensen, do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's true though. It's the best thing ever. And actually, we need friends without kids. You do to keep to take the kids away sometimes.

Or just to even come over and play. Yeah. Yeah, you've got the energy to do it. With all your energy, thank. For half an hour now, I'm like, fuck. Oh, no. How do you do this all day? No, it's exhausting.

There was one time, me and when we were playing, and we were playing doctors, and during it, she turned around and said, do you want to play with me? And I was like, we're playing right now. I'm lying down and you're giving me an exam. Why are you? This is the game. I was like, I might actually lose my mind.

I was like, we've been playing for hours. Romie. Like, what do you mean? just sit down so you think the sibling will help there yeah for sure

yeah and how would you describe yourself as a mum what kind of mum are you I mean I would say

you're probably a cool mom but you can tell me thanks for I don't think a cool mom could say they're a cool mom

themselves I think I think the kind of mum I am I I care so much which I think

I think so much of what I'm going to say every mum will be like well yeah duh

yeah I do think I'm quite relaxed I was never I was never too stressy about Romans especially when she was like a proper wee baby um I but I'm deeply I'm

a cancerian so I'm so I'm like mother to all I'd be anyone's mommy yeah you give me those vibes so I just I love it I find it I actually do think I think I think I find it quite easy quite natural to you quite natural and quite easy to be that type of person for a child does that make sense I think I've made that really clinical yeah like you do it at a book no not at all no we've just got like cair and bones in your body. Yeah. You've got a warm aura around you as well and I'm sure everyone that's listening to us will agree but there's just

the energy the moment you walk into the room is just so bright and amazing. Oh that's so nice. And I think that Rami's so lucky to have you as a mum and I think that would definitely reflect onto your parenting for sure. Okay it's the bit and I think but again I'm so lucky because I've got

I carried about my work a lot and because I've got that balance of being able to be both I know what one's more important to me which is being a mum I think that that just trumps everything and every amazing woman that I talk to that's in business says the exact same thing

and I think that's amazing because you can say that but see if I was to be a full-time mum I think I'd really really struggle I think I'd feel quite demented I think I'd not have the patience and the energy tank agreed to be able to play doctors on the floor

yeah play doctors on the floor eight hours a day oh no A lot of moms do say that though, don't need, that they actually quite look forward to come back to work because then when they're with their kids... They're a bitter mum. They want to be there more than...

Can't wait to get home to the kid, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that burnout as well. I don't... I just think there's so much pressure on moms in general and women in general all the time. But to be able to have that... Like, I quite look forward to a Monday.

We have the best weekend. Make sure that it's properly full of fun stuff but also just like family chilling time. And then I really look forward to a Monday where I can go and turn on my laptop and turn on that other side of my brain. I really enjoy that. And I feel like, yeah, I feel like, I feel like good.

But doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there's no right recipe for anyone and it so depends on the support you've got or what you're willing to do as well. Like when it comes to like nurseries and stuff. Yeah. Whenever I hear of a mum saying that they're like,

I didn't go to nursery and talk. until there were three. I'm like, that's amazing. How did you do that? Yeah, I couldn't agree more. But I know I'm the best mom I can be with the way that we've got it just now. Yeah. Yeah. What's the best advice you'd give to a first time, mum?

I just want to be like, relax. Like, see, it's well, I think, I don't know if this is going to help or not, but how baby is is so dependent on how mum is. Yeah. It's like a mirror. It's crazy. See if, you know, and baby, the energy, the vibe, and things that babies pick up on is mad.

That's such a big thing for someone to take upon themselves. Like sort your energy out, chill out. Because some people would be like, I physically can't, because I'm up to high dough and I'm not having a good time. So that's like, I feel like that's, maybe the advice after that would be, you do not need to do everything by yourself.

Yeah. Doesn't make you less of a mum. Reminds me of birth. You know, some people, it's like, you see the natural birth, but it's a vaginal birth. unmedicated it's like oh my god you get the gold medal you would talk about this weren't you get the gold medal and actually an elective C section you kind of took the easy way out it's like no that's not at all

there's literally there's no there's nothing there's no scale of of our score sheet yeah so how you bring a baby into the world it's always like you forget that every woman has gone through nine months as well of giving up their life and carrying a baby that part's dismissed it's all down to that final oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah push it out oh oh you had an elective section you big cheat. It's just crazy, isn't it? Oh, you just get cut open. Yeah. Oh, God.

Seven layers of skin. And the language that they used as well, like, you know, in the hospital. And you've talked about hypnobirth and a wee bit. I do think that it's great for teaching you, like, just for education around birth. But some of the terminology the hospital was used is like fail to progress. You failed to breastfeed. You know, I just think that they need to get a grip of that because that sets moms up for a fail. Yeah, I agree.

So I think. but in the same way, you know, there's having support and asking for support, being able to ask for help. I think there's so many people in my life that I know that need to get better at asking for help. Because at the end of the day, the people that love you will want to help and they will. Ask for that help.

And look after you, the empty cup thing is so important. So energetically that kind of, oh my gosh, it looks such a happy. I kind of am, though. You kind of are there. I'm not, but energetically being, keep in yourself regularly. and like washed. It's not mental stuff.

I'm not saying go for like a tour lie down rakey session. I'm saying literally making sure you're having your showers and your bath and you're eating somewhat well just so you feel good about how you're looking after yourself as well as trying to look after

a brand new little life for sure. It's crazy in other cultures as well. Many cultures where the whole family digs in and they almost take the baby from the mum. They have all these. Have you seen the thing about confinement in China? No. I'm fascinated by this. Tell us now. It's like a month that you spend in a borderline

five-star hospital hotel and you have access to nurses the entire time. You get fed the entire time. You literally, it's like the best start a mom could probably have in life because you've got help. None of that panic. None of that. What am I doing? Because you've got help everywhere. You get fed nothing but they don't believe in eating cold food afterwards. You get fed stuff that's like good for your body. They do belly binding. So they wrap you up. and get your stomach off your good. I think that should, that should. It's the best thing, though.

It's almost like you go through all this and it's like you're absolutely knackard, but there you go, you've got another human, but how dare you ask for help? How dare you have any sort of help? You must do it all alone. Yeah. Why are we, why are we, like that?

It is, isn't it? It's mad. And then that's not even taken into account the help you've got at home. Or if you've got, if you know, if you've got a partner that's up for it, if you've got a partner at all, if you've got a crap partner.

Like, that's, it's mad. It's true. One of the things that was so special about Romie's starting life was I had eight weeks off but so did Jack. Oh, that's amazing. And he looked after me and I looked after the baby and that was it. Like paternity leave for dads, that needs to be more. He's fixed for sure. But I just think that there's so much pressure on mums and I hope what I said didn't add more to.

No, not at all. Wanting to me basically make people or moms feel like they can look after themselves and it's important, just as important as looking after a baby baby. totally 100 certainly Jamie you used to vlog so much of your life what was the decision to sort of slow that down and stop showing

Romy online as well yeah I think that the vlogging stuff's amazing and I get people messaging me saying that they're like starting from week one and I look and I'm just like a kid like I actually am like a kid the reason I stopped was a bit of a shifting lifestyle.

I just didn't do the same things. I just didn't know if people wanted to see what I was up to, but a lot of my working week, like a full-time jobs worth, was spent on Vave, but stuff that I couldn't quite share yet. And it's like, week after week, I'd be like, oh, I'm working on product, but I can't really tell you about it. And I had a meeting going through a P&L,

but probably shouldn't share that. You know, it's just, there's so many things that I just, I couldn't share anymore. And I think that weird timing, because I did, I do love it. I loved it so much. And I actually still love it. And I think it's quite fun watching someone that's a bit older. Yeah. I'm following loads of people that are older than me.

Like new people and actually like proper like in their 40s 50s. Yeah. And I'm really like, I'm loving it. Yeah. That's nice. So I think that I stopped. while I was at a bit of a kind of a turning point in life with the business and then when I feel pregnant

there's definitely some videos and stuff that I made which I actually still enjoy and I would still do Romy I stopped sharing her face when she became like more recognisable babies look very different to how they actually end up looking when they're kids yeah there's something about to see wee babies faces and stuff

yeah it's so shit though that there's the weirdos in the world because I want to share Robi with the entire because she's the best thing ever like I actually like I feel my sound like that I just want actually like pure like show her off I think something funny or she looks cute like that yeah yeah I think it's a pure primal thing you see monkeys doing it in the zoo

they're like that look at this thing I've made and I'm like I want to be like that like the orangutans like this amazing yeah yeah flurry out but I just I think that when like as you get older you realise that the most precious things in life are like your time and your privacy

it's crazy so I think finding that balance while living online is actually quite a fun one. I think it's important and it's funny because you set boundaries for yourself. It doesn't mean that I judge anyone else for having different boundaries. Yeah. So you and Jack work together every day. Yeah. How is that? And what have you done to kind of make that work? I think it's really personal. There's people that I know that couldn't work with their spouse, no way or their partner. There's people that I know that during COVID when they moved back in realized they hated their partner

or their split you know this happens me and Jack have worked together for so long now and the way it came about was quite organic and quite natural it was literally my account like you should probably hire someone I was like I don't want to hire anyone if anyone knows me well I'm notorious for hiring

my family and friends that's literally I just like my people because Jack's an incredible videographer right and photographer yeah for anyone that doesn't know and I like many a women I'm sure I could totally see the potential in Jack like I saw it and like he was interested but without

I don't know if he would ever had that space in his life to pursue anything different if we hadn't kind of like done it together and that's not to take any credit for what he does but he he came on board and started just edit and then this was back in the day when we were kind of both kids to be honest we didn't you know we had work to do it wasn't that serious though and you know our mortgage was 220 pound a month

because we lived in a shit hole flat until cross. It was amazing. So really the pressure was not on. It was fine. And he just was really good at it. He's got a brain that works so differently to mine. I cannot physically edit.

I start to go nuts. I started to go completely. You do all you're editing for you? Does all the edit. And the way that we work is actually, it's really good. It's like a ping pong. So I'll film something else, shoot it to him. He'll edit it, he'll shoot it back.

We bicker all the time. All the time. But it's a whole over. Yeah, but at the end of the day, I think there is just a deep respect for each other. And I think he, it's really fun because we work together, but he's got his own thing as well.

So, like, he'll, he's in the office just now doing, doing his own stuff. Yeah. There's nothing to do with me or Veev. And that's, I think it's just, it's nice to have that balance. Yeah.

But we worked together really well. Yeah, I remember during COVID, it was, we had the best time during COVID when we were just together in the house. Yeah. It was great. That was then Vib was starting, right? We launched Feeve,

So COVID started the March 2020 and then we launched VIV November 2020. Oh wow. So it was never the plan, never the plan but weirdly like it was actually a time where everyone was at home on their phones. And it was actually quite good that you got that time

at home just to really focus on it all. Yeah. It was nuts. It's a crazy time. But no, we worked together really well. I think that he deals with my shit. I'm really impatient and I'm I work really fast.

I know that the pace that I work is not always normal. But he's used to it as well. It just works. I feel like you've got a dynamic that you need him and he needs you. It's not, Steve, it's just one way. No, it's not one way at all. It maybe wouldn't work the same,

but you kind of need him to do his part and he needs you to do your part. So it's kind of like an respect for each other. Because he's waiting on me to do my bit for him to do his bit, it makes me go almost faster sometimes. But there's so much footage where it's just me going to that, Oh, God. There's literally a bit to do it.

We need to get, we see these bloopers. So in terms of friendships, right, because we get a lot of questions from our listeners about nourishing friendships in your 30s and how do you find friends in your 30s. They change so much as well as you become older. How have your friendships evolved? I honestly could cry because I'm so lucky. I love my pals. and like we were talking about it today,

I don't think I actually know very many people with pals like ours. And I do think there's a secret sauce to it a little bit. I do, we've got one friend, Kara, who is like the wringley down. She's like that, you're good, you're coming in. You're good, you're coming in. Like I worked, yeah, it's hilarious. So she's like brought us all together. How old were you when this all happened?

Older. So this is like a big, this is a big thing. I've got like, I've got two pills from high school. The friendships that I formed as a teenager in my more formative years, it's ridiculous to put a bunch of kids in a room together and be like, make your, make your pals. I know. And I think you're really lucky,

see if you do end up with best friends. And I think weirdly boys always have an easier time with this. They do. I think they just care less. I don't think they have very deep conversations about anything. They just want people to like go at the football with, go to the pub with. It's embarrassing.

Yeah. But, um, they'll do. My, my friendship's definitely college, for sure, because it's the first time that you've chose a place to be. And you've got like a mutual interest or something like that.

So college for sure working, I think, as well. So I worked on makeup counters and that's how I made like quite a few actually of my like great friends. You and Jade? Where did you meet? College. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got Jay McPyke with us by the way, guys. She's an incredible makeup artist. Mua.

Mua. Extraordinary. But I, we, I think a huge part of our friendship. group success is our book club. Yes, you want to be more on there. So it's just, it was actually, it was not your idea. Jade can't even fucking read. She can't read.

No, we've got a book club which has got like seven out of ten or eleven. There's 11 of us. Is it 11 of you? I feel that's grown. Seven in the book club. Oh, right. Seven in the book club. I live in with other people that are like,

I don't want to join a book club. Okay, got it, got it, got it. But we meet once a month and alternate houses. Nice. And mostly read the book. We pretty much do it. Like, it's important for us to read the book

and we get in trouble when we don't read the book. I've not read the book this month, have you? Are you finished? Are you started it? I've not started it. Oh, you better get reading? I saw you read yesterday. Yeah.

Thoughts? I actually really liked it because I hated the main character. her so much. Yeah, she's quite unlikable, isn't she? I was putting a chapter out to you. Is that the one that... Yeah. Yeah. I've not finished it by the way. As an influencer. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Because I think... I've said this before. I think I can't think of anything worse or more exhausting than showing up not yourself. Yeah. All the time. All the time. I think you would drive you insane. So I was, I was quite smuggering because I was just like

this, you must be shattered. Yeah. I'm not shattered. I don't know what's going on. I just turn up. But no, friendship groups, I think having monthly get together is really important. Yes. It took me years to understand that friends aren't just for the good times. Therefore, when things are quite hard as well. And actually, it took me, I actually got a bit of a tailing off because I was struggling a bit and it was like,

why aren't you talking to us about it? And I was like, I don't want to bring the mood down. And they were all like, that's not what it's about. And I was like, oh my God, that's really nice. and I wonder whether in a part way, maybe the sibling thing as well, because, you know, a really great friend group, it kind of feels, it does kind of feel a bit siblingy sometimes. Yeah, definitely.

And you're so used to just being in your own thoughts. Yeah, and like I think as well, like the honesty as well that you need from your friends, that feels quite like family as well. So it took me years to understand that I didn't need to show up to my friend group as my best self all the time. Yeah. That's not what it's about.

You can actually go and, like, have a moan. in my life, I don't, I don't, I haven't really moaned and I would feel really bad about moaning because there's always something worse or blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Whereas it taught me like, oh, I can actually say, oh, I'm annoyed about this and that's okay. Totally. And it's amazing. That kind of honesty as well.

I just, I just love it. And I think that that's really important in a friendship. Otherwise, you're just meeting people and then still showing up as you're. But it's so nice if you feel like you can trust your circle as well that you can offload this information to and it feels sacred or. most. And we've all got each other through some, like, tough stuff. Yeah.

You know, and that's, that's, that kind of brings you together. I know that might get annoying. No, it does. It definitely brings you together. So I think having that and it doesn't need to be all perfect all the time, you know, everyone happy all the time. It's really important that you can say all the other stuff too. And that's what makes me, I think that's why I'm like, oh, I'm so lucky.

Oh, that's lovely. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. We were saying the other week that Grace Beverly had said on. her podcast or in a video that she sees her pals every Monday but they just all turn up, wet hair, hair my skin, jammies on, straight from

the gym but they see each other every Monday I saw you talking about that and I was like I love that as well but it's kind of similar to what you're saying that you don't need you come and be like yay I'm so happy and my week's being great it's just you just come and you can be around your pals totally I think maybe that's the difference between hanging out with your friends and it not being a night out

you know if you only hang out when you know when you're young it was always a night out so you know if someone turned up in a crap mood you'd be like oh my God get putting the move down. We don't want to talk about anything too deep. Just get a drink and get over it. Like you would actually say that. What do you think about?

I think it would be really fun to get... I mean, there's a time and a place where you get over it and have a day. Yeah, exactly. I think it would be a really fun thing to get together with friends and do your admin. So you just sit on your laptop and do all that. Yeah, so true. Online shop. I would love to sit in a room of my friends.

I also do some online shopping. Just say, what do you think of that? Fine or buy it. I love that. Yeah, but we spend a fortune because we're so easily influenced. with each other. Anything you tell me to buy, I'm buying it. I'm buying it.

Right, let's talk about Veeve. We all know about VEve. So you recently got a huge investment for VEve. What does this mean for the future of the brand? Tell us more about it. It's crazy. So see when you get, we've done fundraising before,

we've done raising before. And it was VC, so it was venture capitalists, So basically that is, and I'm not trying to appear, explain, like, overdo it. But just in case someone doesn't know, it's almost like they're taking a gamble on you. Okay. Right? So you're either at the very start of your business or you're not quite profitable yet or, you know, there's loads of reasons.

But they're taking a gamble on you. They like what they see. They do believe in it. So they invest money. And the reason that you need money is for, like, innovation. It costs a huge amount of money to make product. especially if you're going for like multiple skews which is like 20 shades of something

or 40 shades of something all of these products all these shades have a minimum order quantity so say that you're ordering 5,000 but it costs 5 pounds to make times that by 40 you know it's like it's millions of pounds and it's crazy so VC

the way that I see it which is not business savvy at all they're like gamblers so they're looking at us in there like that, I'm going to take a risk on you. And it was very much, like, see if anyone's listening to this and thinking that I know what I'm talking about. I don't, I've never even been someone's manager before. You know, I worked on makeup

counters, but I've learned so, so, so much through the process. But my job was very much going and talk about what I want to do with the business and sell the dream. And I must just be a good story to tell it, because they were like, yeah, there you go. I was like so passionate.

I'm amazing. I just love it. Did you feel the pressure for that? These big, board meetings and people are with all this money and you're like... You know, I wonder whether it's because of my proximity to it because obviously there's a huge amount that I've got to do, but when it comes to building decks and stuff like that and going over all the data that we've got

because obviously everything's data these days. You know, I'm not the one doing that. That's a such... It's not a good use of my time at all when I could be doing the other stuff that actually drives the brand forward. So I'm very... It's very segmented. So I just feel like I'm having a good time all the time.

You're just showing up, you know, I'm showing up to them, I think. So the VC, they're the gamblers. And then what happened in December, it was private equity. So private equity is different. There's slightly more pressure on. It's more like an investment with a guaranteed return.

Right. So you're saying to them, if you invest in us, we can guarantee that you'll get X. Yeah. Yeah. And we, you know, you pipeline that out and what it will look like. So the pressure's different. but it's actually really good.

And I don't know, see if you're stressed or worried or something goes wrong or if you have to get something done, does that make, I think there's different types of people. I think sometimes you'd maybe freeze or it can put a bit of a fire under you and then you go for it. I'm very much like when the pressure's on, I'm like, let's fucking go.

Yes. I work under pressure. Yeah, me too. I work under pressure as well. And actually, I'm so, I'm stubborn in this. You know, if things ever don't look great, I'll be like, I'm going to do this. I am going to make it work.

And that's what kind of drives me. So actually I'm really enjoying the pressure of the new investment. And what it is is it basically gives us capital to go into new retailers because every retailer costs money for a gondola. You know, every nice gondola you see costs thousands of pounds. Product, innovation, all things like that, headcount staff. Yeah. You know, there's some place slots that we need to fill.

So it just gives us a runway and it helps us scale faster which basically means just build the business up quicker faster and better. Well the gondolas look great. I was actually in the new space in K and silver band yesterday. That's our new one. And as soon as I walked in I was like, wow, there she is.

You're on there, painting a little brush on someone's face. It makes you mental though because see if anyone posts anything from a space NK picture of their makeup bag, I'm like that. Yeah. Yeah, you zoom him right in. Well, you looked at my Noviglow earlier in my bag and it was battered and I thought, holy shit. But that just goes to show you. I've had that since 2021 or 2022.

Yeah. Does that sound about right? Yeah. Yeah. It's the best. It's the bad though what goes into it because we both have worked in beauty. What did you do in beauty again? Future Beauty Labs.

So Bioma. Tanlux. Tanlux's Out of Paradise. We met a quiz though. Doing what? I was looking after Australia and Europe. and Zoe and the sales team

and I was brand manager of Tranlux so I did like retail I don't know that have we talked about this I'm not sure because I was there for a short period of time

before I'd have to do just just just for real time because I used to have to do retail though so I would do meetings about like what the gondolas would look like work with design on it

so I know all of that and then when you see someone in the store and you're like half the shelf's empty yeah you're feeling about it that's not even my brand so I can't imagine how you feel

I know. Do you go in when you're going to the store do you like re-organise everything? Or the staff will shit themselves like fuck Jamie's it. Do you know what? I think Glasgow keep us looking nice. And also that's another thing. Remember what I said earlier? People message me directly. If someone sees something looking shit in store they'll send a picture

and then I'll send it to the retailers like I think people won't understand the amount of testing that goes for products so behind the scenes either which will obviously all cost money too. You're not made. You're making money on everything that you're doing. Oh my God, no. Yeah.

And I do think sometimes people still think that they pay for a Schoen Nova and I go like that, thank you. Yeah, I know. And I'm like, no, man. And even like all the minimum order quantities and stuff that you have to place and all the, like, do you do a lot of it over in, overseas? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So loads of our products, we've got, South Korea, we've got Italy, we've got Germany, we've got Japan. Large portion of it is Italy. and it's fun because I've always I've really enjoyed being in the thick of it and actually it's weird for the last five years I've been so in it that I've been quite quiet see when you look at socials and stuff like that

you know I've been I've been doing it but I've been so in the business but I've never learned so much of my life it's so cool to me what I know about running a business I remember when you both did the panel talk soho house oh yeah remember and you were saying like about creating the products and all that and we said after, like, can't believe how involved you are. Like, it's actually nice.

Yeah. But it is your brand and not just, you know, some people are just like the face off. Of course, yeah. And I think I need, what I'm going to start trying to is a better job of showing what that is. A bit more behind. Yeah, we'd love to see that. Yeah, it was so interesting, isn't it? Yeah, so interesting.

But no, I love it and everything you're talking about, you know, the products go through so much testing before they even go for testing. Yeah. And you're right, if we want to do claims testing, 20 grand on a product, you know, so we can say 200, and two percent more hydration. And you don't ever see adverts though and they say it's like an eye cream and it's like instant results in 24 hours how are you saying that because I know that's not true?

Yeah but in the dot and the small corner it's like tested on 20 women who said this. So that's literally clinical testing and they'll have machines they'll have machines that measure the hydration levels in the skin from the start to the finish so everything see if someone puts a false claim right there you're so done

like it's not yeah. Oh my goodness It's mad. But it's fun. I quite like that. And do you know what the worst part? See if you put a product in for claims testing and you're waiting on results. And it's like, what if it's shit? It never does.

How long is the results? Couple of months. Really? Couple of months. So tell me timeline from start to finish. Oh my God, it's so change. Are they all different? Oh, are they?

Okay. Just because if it goes well fast at the start. So say we brief out to labs, the submission we get back is great. We add in the actives that we've chosen. So, you know, like PDRN's having a huge moment. You've got, oh God, like niacinamide is in. Yeah, you've got hyluronic acid. If you're choosing all these things, then you put that in,

and then you test it and make sure it's what you want. So sometimes that can go well and sometimes it can go wrong. There's a product that's kind of changed how it looks, but there's a product I've been working on for four and a half years. Really? Yeah, but you know what? That's nothing to be proud of. It makes me look like, I'm so shite at my job.

Because I can't make this thing. And it's not even makeup. It's not even makeup. It's taken, we just cannot get it. Tell me the longest product that you've got in the range that's taken, sorry, the product that's taken the longest to get right. Oh God, so again, probably the one that I was talking about. Yeah, okay, fair.

You can bleep me out. Can you bleak me out? Yeah, and is it going to be? You know, that's amazing. You just can't get that into it. Can't get it right. But yeah, we'll get there. We will get there.

That's exciting. Miscara took a really long time. We've got two types though, no. Yeah, Icon was easier. Modern mascara was hard. Which is the one that you can sort of pick up? Yeah, it's like a tube and mascara but not really. Is that modern?

Yeah. Yeah. You've got a burning question that you've been desperate to ask. What's my burning question? I don't remember. About products? Oh, something that you thought would like do really well. Yeah.

And it just didn't. Okay, this is a great question. Honestly, it was this year and I was so sad. But I think we just need to pour more love into it, but it was brows. I thought everyone would go nuts for... I love your braille pencil. It's the best. The brow gel is like the best of all the things on the market put together.

But for some reason it just didn't land the way that we thought it would. And I think maybe we took it for granted that so many of our customers, you know, they've got such a belief in us that they're just like that. Yeah, sign me up, sign me up, sign me up, sign up. I wonder whether their brows is just a little bit more of a sticking point. I think as well we just targeted huge against it because it's such a huge part of someone's routine. A lot of people you do their brows every day if nothing else. So we're like the size of the price, the size of the market is massive.

Surely it will just be great. I really loved that campaign as well. It was really fun. We had like actors in, not just like the models, but we had actors in to do like the more can expression and stuff. It was a product, super proud of the product. I really love the campaign. We did out-home advertising and everything.

And it just wasn't as gangbusters as we thought it was going to be. But that's okay. There's still time. Still time. Everyone going by. I know because I'm just going to tell you now. I really love that. I've just tried it for the first.

signed today and I thought as I literally turned it open I was like holy shit this is thin this is false that's what you want what about the Vave head office would you ever have more of a presence in Glasgow or does it work better being in London

no I definitely I think having having us in London is really important it's like the hub of beauty it's so important for us to be down in London but totally weirdly because the team's slightly starting to build out in Glasgow a little bit even just like my pet like personally it's so fun

to work with other people. We've got the Glasgow team in the store as well. So definitely open to there be more space and more people up here. For sure. As long as the talent, you know, as long as the people, as long as the person's right and the drives right, I do think

sometimes I do notice a bit of a difference in the pace up here versus London. If you're not used to the pace, it can be like a bit like, what the fuck, I can't do that. I think the problem is you've not really got much here. You've only really got bioma. Yeah.

beauty space in Glasgow. So if you've not worked at Bioma, then you've not worked at the pace that you would probably expect. Yeah, and Bioma for sure work at a pace because look at the success that they've read. I know, that was incredible. Yeah, it's amazing. It's so good.

But yeah, there's a pace of work that is, and it's not going to get any easier. Yeah, it's just going to get faster. It's just going to get faster. Right. Let's talk about your proudest career moments. There's a funny one that, I remember it was like a bit of a fever dream,

but the Forbes thing. I was going to say that was mega. Mental. And I quite loved it. Did you know that you're on that? Yeah. So the way that it worked was you have to be nominated. Yeah.

But I had to fill out this nary big document thing, like explaining why, who I am and what I, like, it was quite in depth. And like why you're so great, basically. But I hate talking about that. I know. It's awkward. No, I can't even remember what it was

But it took me ages And I remember the pressure was so on Because I was going to turn 30 The month's after And I was like, if I don't get that, I'm never getting this But I'm not saying you have to jump through loads of hoops But you kind of do

I saw somewhere someone was talking about it Saying that I paid to have it And that was like, that's definitely not true I didn't It's like this is so funny isn't it? But no I was buzzing, I was really really proud although I just took it out my bio

because I'm 33 and it's like Forbes 30 under 30 I was like, is it time for me to get rid of that? And Jack was just like that. Yeah. I was going to tell you heard a bit. Well there's nothing more embarrassing than someone looking up Jamie Genevieve age and it's like 45. But I wasn't in the Forbes 30th or 30.

So I think I can stand. I'll stand them all on two feet now. The achievement never leaves though. The achievement never leaves. believe. That's a big thing to achieve though. I'll smoke to the kids. It was cool.

It was cool. I got another award thing that again it was nominated by people that are on the advisory board of the CEW. I was going to say we used to, I used to go to the award. I forget, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. That's when I met the founders for the first time.

But I found out I was pregnant like three days before and I had to stand up and give a five minute speech and it was just, I remember being like, this is is feeling like a lot and it was like see that room it's everyone in the industry oh everyone it's the owners of everything it's the directors of every retailer it's oh my gosh it's like every big wig and i still just feel like a kid sometimes i do i'm not going to lie sometimes i just feel like um i think everyone does so you get imposter syndrome i get so i've i think i'm quite

stric on myself with this imposter syndrome thing and i've just i'm really stubborn and like know if I'm here, then there's a reason I'm here. And I'm not, I'm not fell into this. And I hope that everyone gets like that. Yeah, I hope everyone feels like that. Because I wouldn't be here if I wasn't meant to be here or if I didn't deserve it. What I do get is, I get nervous in case I sound daft. That's something that it took me ages to get over.

I used to always get the fear of sounding stupid. And is that a bit of a Scottish thing as well? I think so, maybe. Honestly, I think so. And I think even with my team at the start, I remember when we launched the business, I got really self-conscious online. like everyone in the office or everyone in my team was watching everything I was doing online

which is probably the case but I remember thinking or I can't post anything not work related during the day in case they think I'm just sitting in my hours doing nothing but I'm like I know I know what I'm doing though so that's like that's what that matters

yeah so it's like this is your business like so you can do that if you want but you're just about like no yeah yeah yeah so I think the imposter syndrome I get nervous to sound as stupid and I'm not the most eloquent of people you know there's so many like female founders

that are like unbelievable to listen to and talk to and their proper proper business background and everything and I'm just really aware that I'm not it's taking me ages to understand that that's actually something that's quite cool about me and I think it's extremely relatable 100% yeah yeah so it just took me ages but you have to sit with it for so long

and actually highly recommend a bit of therapy for everyone because it really helps unpack it all and understand like oh actually it's something that makes people unique and different and definitely more relatable than some others that are out there yeah

you're not that professional are we no and bloody not but no one is not so when you go home at the end of the day do you really do you really um relate to that person or do you is it like being inspirational and aspiration whatever is one thing but But at the end of the day, it's not, that's probably not who I want to sit and have, like, a beer with. We were all just normal girlies, isn't we?

A beer with, I sound like. I love a beer. I miss beer so much. Do you? What beer do you like? I really, really like jubel. Me too, the mangoa wore the peach. The peach is gluten-free beer, you know that.

No, I didn't know that. It's gluten-free, yeah. Not that I'm gluten-free, but three of those back-to-back. It's insane. Right now. Yeah. I love them so much. What else I like, I really like an assaye as well.

Quit dry, Japanese. But beer, yeah. But I just sounded that I think that was the most embarrassed thing I've ever said. We want to sit and have a beer with them. No, we're big galas. We love an old desperado with a bit of line, don't we? We do. So, Jamie, every week we try and answer a listener dilemma.

We have many. And we thought you'd be great to answer this one. Right, so this lesson said, I've got two young children and my partner and I both work full-time. by the end of the day, we're exhausted and feel more like roommates than a couple. How do you keep the spark alive while juggling young children and running a business?

That's so hard. Wait, is that the question to me? Is it to me? Well, we can all answer it collectively, but we want you to answer first. Me first. Yeah. Me first.

Do you know what? Being really, really, really candid, it so depends if your kids are in a court or not. Because if you've got wee creepy crawlies wandering through the night, it does get in the way. of the spark of said spark right keeping it alive

oh my God I think that again having some giving yourself some grace this is a season of life it's not your whole life don't worry it's going to be okay

I think being team mate rather than roommates teammates is maybe an important way to reframe that keeping the so you're in it together keeping the spark live I honestly I think it's like doing silly

it. I think it's being flirty, making an effort to be there at. Even in the wee five seconds that the kids are not in the same room. It's hard. I think it takes effort and work from both parties though is the most important thing which maybe starts with a conversation. This is probably the most serious answer you've ever had. But I think I do think that it starts with a conversation. A calm conversation. A calm conversation. I'm unfulfilled. yeah you're not doing enough that's um

I think making time for it as well making time for it's important yeah and that can feel maybe a wee bit regimented but ugh I just feel like that's probably what you need to do if you've got kids though having a romantic dinner

whatever when the kids are kicking about you need to do it when they're in bed or you need to yeah you need to yeah you need to have and maybe that goes back to asking for help when you need it getting the kids away having a day night

and having a day at home yeah I do I think so um I think is very well well it's just really important that it's not you what is it like like four play starts at the in the morning i say this all the time in the morning like be kind to each other you flirt with me all day yeah doing things for me all day wanted and then i might yeah we agree with that get up and put the kid to bed without being asked yeah or begged you're gonna have a great time yeah if you're

doing that you're gonna have a wonderful time right now promise but yeah we were saying in the car on the way here because I've been quite open about it at the podcast, but resentment, as we all know, as the default parent, it kicks in so, so much, especially as two self-employed people. It can, it's really tough. And you have to always remember, give yourself some grace, and these exact words to you. I said to Richard, like, we've got to give ourselves some grace here because what we're doing is amazing. But it's almost like sometimes you fight against one another rather than being teammates. And you know what I've started to do? And this sounds, I know what you're going to say. Tell me right now. Blaming the kid.

no but great no you know what it is it's like who's the enemy them that little one

it's not I'm a team no what I was going to say that's so bad I know what it is it's Jensen's fault it is his fault

we were perfect that is a good way to put it though because it's funny they don't need to know you're saying that right now we're behind their bag

yeah takes each other a bit you wouldn't give a shit he'd be like yeah it is not bothered but no what I've started to do because I think we can

all agree that When you become parents, like, I've stopped asking him how he is when I ring him. I'd be like, how is he? What you're up to? Like, I wouldn't really say, like, how is your day? So what I started to do that every time I text Richard, because he's working morning and night, right? Because he's a personal trainer.

I'd be like, hi, babes, how's your morning been with a love heart? Because it's more, he'd message me like, hi, hi, babies, how's he been this morning? Yeah. We've kind of stopped asking how each other are. And I want to try and get back to that because ultimately I do get. care how his morning's been and he does care about mine, but we've got this responsibility and this person, we love so much that it's almost, they become priority and we have to kind of coincide the priority with each other as well. Like, we are a priority, that's why we're together,

that's why we have this child. Yeah, that's a good point. And I do think that I'm trying to nourish, nurture that, should I say, more. Good. And I have noticed a difference already in just me caring a bit more about his day, vice versa. Oh, that's really nice. Yeah? Yeah, really nice. Did you notice that, like when you were a part, you would call him and you'd say, how's she been? Totally. Totally. And I think that communication is really important.

I think I really like the word just consideration, just being considerate of the other. Which is basically just thinking of them. So thinking of them beyond them being the person that's looked after your child that day. Who's tired? Who's more tired? Oh my God, no. Don't. Jack said to me the other day, he was like,

Do you have any heartburn tablets? My heartburn is so bad. You're like, and I was like... And you're going to be sore head now in it as well if you don't shut. And he's definitely said a few things to me about being tired. And I'm like, I'm going to eat you. But then you almost think to yourself like, I guess they are tired too, but it's just always feels like a competition for it.

And it's... It is, it is. But they're also not as tired as you. No. They're not. Not. You can be tired. You're not as tired.

And that's okay. So everyone's, what is it? Everyone's tragedy is their own. I'm like that. Every man. You're feeling with town. Honestly, it's mental. It's mental.

Jack's quite self-aware with it though. He'll say it and then he'll be like that. I'm no, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just doesn't. Yeah. What's your thoughts on the dime is us? I agree with everything you both said.

I mean, I've got a dog, not a child, and he still need you kind of. Listen. We still co-parent dogs. Like you had to. The dogs can get in the way. That was terrible when we were. we first got a draw paramed for it.

Like, what do you do? Lock them out the room? Oh, what, when you bought Rehmiheim, you mean? No, no, no. Oh, no. Oh, when you're like, shirgin. Yeah, when you're trying to get fiske and the dogs lying next to you in the bed.

Do you know what it is? You know, when you are getting friskees in the room, it gets a bit weird in it. You're like, they're looking at me in the eyes. Yeah, it's a poor clock block. Oh, it is a dog. It's a cork block. We love a shower moment because she's no in the shower, is she?

Yeah. So. Very nice. That's lovely. That's actually, I highly recommend that as well, shrugers and bath. You love a bath. I love a bath. That's why you like a man, you don't get a match.

No, I think that's important, and you definitely just have to make the time for you. And I think if you go sleep with your babies, then maybe nap times or finding times in the kitchen counter. That's hot as far. That's, I've never thought about the co-sleeping thing. We don't go-sleep. No, me neither. Okay, okay. I did do initially in the early stages.

That's difficult, yeah. Yeah, and there's babies that. that people associate with their babies and they enjoy it and they love it but I can imagine in the intimacy in the evening that must be harsh but also I just think

people are again sort of like arranging it which I can understand because it maybe feels about force but with kids and pets you maybe do just need to arrange it a bit yeah like it needs to be a bit more planned

like will we you know put the dog in the crate for a minute like that that's when it's when that starts to be like the initiation yeah

will we put the dogs away it's like that's you just have to get used to that because it's not sexy, it's not fun. That's what I mean, but it's like, if you don't, then before you know, maybe there's no being a moment that the dog's not been under him for a while. Yeah, yeah.

Or the kids. I think it just, yeah, times are different, times have changed. Yeah. So does the communication and the language. Yes. And the plans. Okay, well, I hope that helps.

Yes. Let's end on the beauty corner. Yeah. Yeah. And then we're going to go over to Patreon guys where you can join us for some more juicy questions with Jamie and they're going to ask us some quick, fire questions and answer another dilemma.

Love it. Gorgeous. What are your desert islands beauty products? You've got five. Five. Veev Skin Nova, always. SBF of some sort of what one do I love. Weirdly.

See the Malibu, that really old brand? Oh yeah? Yeah. I used their factor 50 on holiday. Unbelievable. But that smells nice. Really good. Really good.

I would choose Veeve. Cream ronzer. I'm going to really hype up weave here. In the shade medium. That's a tan. That's a tan. Medium. Medium.

Medium. What else did I pick? Oh, weirdly. Another SPF, but you know the ones with glitter in them? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Like body shimms, sorry. Yeah, nice.

We weren't on holiday. We weren't on a girl's holiday. And one of my friends had, it was like a premark version or something. You can get a version from Kupari, which is a bit boozier, if that's your taste. But she looked like an angel the entire time. just glittery and it was amazing looking up for South of France yeah

are you going to South of France together celebrate every set yeah oh my God that's a dream that's a dream Julie's coming as well and oh my God it's gonna be fun oh my God's so good

I really projected there I was like but what he's all gonna do you're just having a baby I was like that's me that's you honey I can't come I can't come

unless you're like soon unless she's out tomorrow I would do I would also do really naughty but for my body I would do a carrot oil. Oh, get that nice, deep, dark tan. It's my favourite thing ever.

But you're being safe with the Verve BounceBam as well. So can you imagine what that looks like? You're really selling this to me, the Bounce Baram. Oh my God. Yeah, I'll give you my one. I know, I told you. Favorite Veeve product and why? Have you just answered it?

Sorry, yeah. Veev Skinner. It's the one product that I would recommend, Bounce Bam as well. But Skinner was the one product I recommend to anyone that's not tried this before because it's got the highest repeat. Right, people that when you start using it, you don't stop using it. Really? Yeah. It's the best thing.

Do you know what? I used to love, I'm sure you know this, the Becker Primer so much. Yeah. What one? The illuminating one? Yeah. It's discontinued now. Okay.

And then, thank God, yours came in because it was, I would have been fucked. I loved it so much. It's the bit, yeah. I was going to get that as well. But Skinnova, it's like the gateway product. Yeah. And it's been a V. I thought that more people should.

hype around Nova Glow though I think so too Holy Sheik is the best. It's just the best. Do you use that as us? I used to use it but I don't actually use a highlight anymore. I don't really use a highlight anymore. I don't know why. Your skin looks amazing though. Because she's gorge. I'm quite lazy in the makeup department though.

That's not really good. She's naturally beautiful. Just fucking perfect as I'm favourite non-beef beauty product go. Great. Oh weirdly there's a there's a It's a moisturiser, is that okay? That's fine. Dr. Althea, PDRN,

Raneu, 5,000, it's a moisturiser. It's 20aml, it's tiny, it's the best. And then actually the skin suiticles serum, really expensive. PTOX. Unbelievable. What the fuck? It's amazing.

It's amazing. So see that with that cream that I've just told you on top. Buying. We'll buy. Mental. We'll buy. Ment. How good is that serum?

It's so good. You need to put out a cream version of it now as well No No I'm getting it Can't wait Postpartum's looking bouncing It is Looking hydrated

What's the best beauty purchase You've ever made Right maybe not What you'd expect But see just massages and facials Yeah okay See that That I would die on that hill

I saw someone say You know the trend right now It's like five things That are worth the money Someone said weekly lymphatic drainage massages. That would be the dream for me. Me too. I love that.

I'd have been to charisma in Glasgow by the way. No? Regent Street. No. Without a doubt, the best lymphatic massage you'll ever have. No, no, no. I'm going. Please go.

Do they do pregnancy people? Yes, they do. Right, I need to go there. They are incredible women, right? Very knowledgeable. What are they called? Charisma. Very holistic.

You'll love it there. You will. One was my people. Yeah, yeah. You do like 90 minutes. She just knows so much. Honestly, amazing. I need that now.

You do. Yeah, okay. favourite aesthetic tweakment you've had oh I used to love a I don't think you could call it a tweakment I used to love a treatment no do you know what I think

again facials see like proper like medical facials yes tools I mean tools love Botox yeah miss Botox quite enjoying seeing my face move around though I do get a fright sometimes I look like hellboy hell boy

but you've got a very smooth forehead but I think it's that serum I'm also trying to keep my face still Yeah not move it too much But I'm quite I've got quite a lot of expression I think Who'd you go for your Botox? Laura Miller, Aide Refined She's done my stuff since I was 19

Really? I know she is Oh she's great She's great She's the one She's the best Oh she's the best Where she based?

Age Refined which is Top of town Top of town Yeah yeah yeah Glasgow She's just amazing And she's so nice she's the best highly recommended

love Botox love Botox What's one beauty trend You are completely done with Get in the trash Do you know Maybe it's because I'm getting older Right

You can tell me But see the trend of Just tell them people What to do all the time Or like Have you seen the things It's mostly younger girls That are like

You're not ugly You just need this Yes I hate it I don't give them a shame Really, that's a terrible way to talk because you're giving permission for other people to talk about you like that.

Yeah, okay. So I actually think that I'm just like a vigilante for people talking nicely about themselves. Yeah, I love that. You can be... You just have a good word with that then, please. Or really, are you... This isn't about me.

Today's about Jamie. It's not about me. I will. Give her a good one inside dish then. Okay. Whatever. Right, last question. What's one beauty tip you'll defend forever?

Oh. I don't know Beauty tip I defend forever A makeup tip A makeup tip So don't confuse this For me saying that people need to wear less makeup But just shearer layers

See sheer layers that are built up You can create such a glam look With that But long gone are the days Where you do two pumps, a foundation And just start painting it on Nobody needs that sheer layers

Target to take your time Love yourself Yeah I love that. Love yourself and it will last longer it'll look better and I saw Jade

the Muah in the corner going like this You agree honey So there we go She layers is for it's a Jade has spoken Yeah

That's a lovely finish To today's episode With you Jamie Jamie That was amazing I loved it I'm absolutely Sweating

Okay It's quite intense I feel like I sit stiff When I'm recording Me too But it's like I'm excited To be here

I'm just like profusely Maybe it's the pregnancy thing as well. I think it might be that whole thing. Maybe it's the child. I've had the best time.

I really love you guys. I think you're brilliant. Thank you so much. And I listen to love you too. They're going to be so excited. I feel that's nice. I feel like, Jamie was saying that she watched our teaser clip where we were like

you wanted this guest from day one and she was like, oh, I wonder who that is. You, honey. Stay humble queen. Right. We love you so. much and we're going to go over to side dish now we're going to ask a few more questions and some dilemmas, quickfires and then going to let Jamie go home, freer from the shackles

of a lot of plates. It's been a long day. I've loved it. Please remember to like and subscribe is on YouTube, Spotify. You can email us at contact at a lot on your plate.com. We get that wrong. It's not UK, it's dot com. Anyway, we love you guys.

Thank you so much. Thank you for watching. Thanks, Jamie. Bye.