A Lot On Your Plate - S2 Ep10: Glowy skin secrets, Tweakments & Safety in aesthetics

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

This week on A Lot On Your Plate we are joined by Medical Practitioner Fiona Grant, Founder & Clinical Director of @theaestheticsclubuk, where we talk all things skincare, aesthetics, botched lips, sunbeds and more. Enjoy!The Aestetics Club Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back, guys, happy Tuesday. Hope we're all fabulous. Hope you enjoyed last week's episode because that was some ride. Literally. We had tears streaming down our faces and that back, didn't we? Yeah, I've actually just listened to it and wow. I couldn't stop laughing and I was on the train. I felt like, can I do it?

Well, I was walking here and I think I was like panting down that road there. Like people must have been thinking, what is she, what is happening to that girl? I was having a fit. the second half of the podcast. Honestly, so funny. I also can't believe how many people wrote in. And there was loads after as well. Yeah.

We'll need to do like a round two, a follow-up. Oh, definitely. 100%. Anyway, we have a very exciting guest sitting with us at the moment. We do. We're so excited to intro her. But firstly, just before we intro Fiona into the podcast, this week and I hosted a very exciting event

with Soho House, Cities Without Houses. And it was at the Acid Bar. It was actually in partnership with the aesthetics club who Fiona Grant, who sat with us, is the clinical director and founder of. And it was a panel discussion with the leaders in the beauty and wellness industry discussing all things beauty, self-care and aesthetics in 2023. And Soho House were partnering with local brands that resonate with their ethos. And we wanted to get Fiona on the podcast today to give her professional advice as we chat

utter nonsense most of the time. But we are both massively into skincare and beauty ourselves. But we felt like we can sit here in total. I was going to know what to use on our skin, but we can't tell you the facts. We can't tell you the facts. And we want it to do it in the safest way possible. And we thought that Fiona would be the best person to bring on the podcast. Hi, you know.

Hi, guys. How are you? Yeah, I'm good. I'm excited to be here. Yay, we'd be so excited. So excited. So how you been? You are expecting.

I am very much expecting. Yeah, I am good. I am 28 weeks pregnant with baby number two. so I am feeling large but I'm good I'm also feeling good so yeah I'm excited and did you enjoy Saturday

yeah I loved it it was so nice I felt just so proud of like the clinic afterwards and it was so nice you had to sit alongside all those bosses you included Jess

it was so lovely and I just thought great to hear everybody's thoughts and their expertise yeah loved it went really well well I was there and I felt very inspired by you lot

It was a very, do you know what I will say is? It was a small group of like, what, 44 people there, wasn't it? And I felt like, I know I was hosting, but I could see everybody. And nobody had their phones out. Everyone was really engaged in the conversation. They were so interesting what everyone had to say. Because we had Jamie Genevieve, who was talking to all things beauty and all about owning a business, V. Yeah.

We had. Steph Wall. Steph Wall, who was the owner of Carly Collective. yoga studio. She was incredible, wasn't she? Loved her. I was obsessed with her. I was thinking about her afterwards. I was quite like, amissomized by her. I was like, oh my God, I love you. You're so wise and calm.

And I want to be everything that you are. She was such a babe as well. Yeah, loved her. But she was like, just breathe. I was like, I'm okay. I kept saying that. Take a minute a day and we're all like, okay. Do whatever you tell me to do. And then there was Kerry Major, who was the nutritionist. Yeah, she was fab. I thought, like, really interesting as well

when she was linking in things like her, gut brain and things like that and things that you know a little bit about but i was like oh that doesn't make so much sense just really simplified it and yeah i just liked i like to well when she was saying like you have to why do you think about what you can add into your diet instead of like i think whether it's hard hard on themselves are like what can we cut out what do i need to get rid of all my treats all my nice things like on my wine and she was like no what can you put in like try and add first the goodness and then the bad bits of slowly started to take themselves away. Yeah, loved her.

She was great. It was brilliant. Yeah, she said everything in like a more positive way. She did. Loved every second of it. Very inspiring, uplifting day. It was a lovely event. So Fiona, tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into the industry and a little bit about the aesthetics club.

Yeah, sure. So I am a nurse by trade and I went to uni in Glasgow. And then when I qualified, I moved straight to London and worked at King's College Hospitals, so worked in, like, trauma and surgical receiving. It's a very busy, fast-paced environment. And I loved it, and I really enjoyed where I was, but I always, around about the same time as qualifying,

so I must have been about 21. I had lip filler for the first time. And I can remember the nurse doing it, saying, like, would you ever be interested in this? And I thought, yeah, I definitely would. And I just had always been really interested in beauty and skincare. and I guess aesthetics was just more of a natural progression given my background being medical.

And so when I was working as a nurse, I then decided to do beauty therapy, which is kind of the wrong way around to do it. But I just wanted to make sure that it really was something that was for me and that I did love skin as much as I thought I did. So I did it alongside, I did the training alongside my nursing. And then I best,

begged and bed and bed my dad to pay for me to go on a beginner's dermal filler course and I paid him back 50 pounds a month for honestly about 10 years and I did that and then loved it I absolutely loved it the woman who was teaching the day said to me this is going to be your job you're really good at it and I can remember so clearly and thinking oh that's so nice but kind of like maybe she says that to everyone and I just really loved it it just kind of went from there so I just used to every Christmas birthday it's always saved up to do more courses and more courses and these courses are normally only maybe like two day courses or a day course that you do so continue to do more of them and then I also then moved into the private

sector of nursing so I moved from a hospital setting to a private GP practice and I was a lead nurse there which was great and it was like really fun and really like we had such as honestly the stories I could tell you guys. We had such good patience in. But it wasn't at all aesthetic. It was still very medical based. And then I was asked to interview for a job, which was at a private members club.

So this place was called Grace Bilgravia, and it was based in Knightsbridge. Wow. So fancy, isn't it? It was super fancy. And I got asked to interview for a job there as their lead nurse. When was this? So this must have been like 2014.

Okay. Yeah, about 2014. And I went for the job interview to a very snazzy place, went in and saw Elmock first. And I was like, this is the place for me. Yes, I accept. And basically there, they had a lead GP who's apothecure to the queen, like, all just next level fancy stuff. But their ethos was that they had everything that women. would need under the one roof. So they had

nutritionists, personal trainers, therapists, obs and guine doctors, GPs, functional medicine. We had an infusion lab. They had a spa which just had the most incredible treatments like practitioners that were world famous would come and have

residences there. And then they had super amazing events just like hosted such exciting things. And then they also wanted someone who could do a little bit of aesthetics so I did a lot of machine-based treatments there and like Botoxin fillers

and I also did IV therapy so we did lots of different infusions but then I also worked with the doctors so I would do blood tests and other things that they needed me to do so it was a really varied role and I loved it and again really interesting clientele just yeah great could write a book about all the stories but I'll save that and I worked there

and when I was there I did what's called my nurse book your nurse prescribing. So basically it gives you the same rights as a doctor in your medical remit. So I did that which meant that I could prescribe drugs for patients if it was in an area which I was Ophi with. So like I could prescribe Botox for someone or I could prescribe a vitamin infusion for them if they needed that. So that gave me a lot of freedom within my role and then whatever I wanted to do next. So I worked there for a long time and I loved it. But After a while, I wanted to start to try and do my own thing. There, they needed me full time,

so there wasn't an option of cutting down my hours. So I then moved to skin, which most people know, it's like S-K, semi-colon-in. And I became... Based on South? Yeah, so this was all in London. So I became their lead nurse for London, which was great. And it was just so much experience, which I loved.

Like, I did do injectables before, but that wasn't all. doing whereas when I went to skin I did it was just this conveyor belt of patients to practice on really it was just constant and you know they're not looking for me but they were they trust the brand which was great so I got a huge amount of experience at skin but quite quickly cut down my hours and then I was asked by a friend if I wanted to work at a place called cosmetic courses as a trainer so I then started to train doctors dentists and nurses and aesthetics two days a week and worked at skin two days a week And then I thought, I might as well try and do my own thing one day a week. So I started to do that and it just built really quickly, which was lovely.

So then began to cut down my hours working for anyone else. I stopped working for skin entirely and just focused on my own client base and then became a clinical lead for cosmetic courses. So I was one of their lead trainers and then also doing my own thing at the same time, which was great. So that was still in London. And so I continued to do that up until 2020. And then I was looking for a bigger premises. At the time, I was just renting in a, it was another massive clinic, but I just rented space and you paid like a percentage towards receptionists and things like that.

And it was great. It was all really easy. So I did that and then had cosmetic horses as well. But I'd been looking for my own place for a while. I'd had two fall through for various reasons. but was still on the hunt I found out I was pregnant

and you were looking was this down south you were still looking all back up here yeah yeah I had no plan at all to move nothing for was your first yeah

yeah yeah so I had no plan to move back to Scotland I had met my husband there and we were living in Islington having a lovely time oh my gosh and yeah

and then found out I was pregnant and thought right okay what shall we do will we move kind of further out of London or will we stay where we wear which was like a little shoebox but they or will we move back to Scotland and I'd always kind of thought maybe like when kids are on the scene I'd quite like

to move back to Glasgow and weirdly Toby's dad is from Glasgow so he kind of knows it and he wasn't that opposed to the idea so decided to go to Scotland came back to Scotland and then thought yeah I better start start doing some work here but then also had this huge client base in London which I'd built up over like four years so was like I don't want to lose that and I don't also I had no client base in Glasgow so I was like I never knew this yeah I was like I need to kind of figure out how

this is going to work so I guess COVID made it weird in that the option of working was taken away anyway but we had our little girl Olive and then what a cute name by the way I know I was just thinking I know we're trying to pick a boy name now and I'm like nothing's as good as Olive I can't so then

we she was born in the middle of June and then in London things opened back up I think it was like this start of July so the three of us went to London and got an Airbnb and yeah I just worked like a crazy woman and Toby was furloughed at the time so he just used to bring all of every three hours

and I would just feed her and he would just like wander around London like on dad duty so yeah no it was it was good and then that was like summer and then October I got the clinic that we have now in Bear's Den and wanted to, it was still hunting for somewhere in London, but just couldn't really find anywhere. I had another one in Islington that fell through because of a landlord issue and then I saw the one in Notting Hill and I was like, let's just go today

and see it because I was in London at the time and yeah, then that was just like, worked really quickly after that. I can't believe you have a clinic in Notting Hill. That is such a big deal. I know. Every time I've got to. And I'm like, I was like, those shops were so nice. And they're like, no, my Clint is. Whereabouts is it in Nothing Hill? It's just off Westbourne Grove. So we're on like Westbourne Park roads.

So it's such a nice little bit we're at. It's lovely. I think you see so many different famous people all the time. Great, we did a Kate Moss spot the other day. Stop. I really died. I know, you know, Hannah, gorgeous Hannah that was she came in like so flustered. She'd be, guess who's outside?

I'll go and drag her in here immediately. But yeah, no, you get such good side spots. It's great. And also just like normal people's spots. I'm like, what do you do with your outfit? You're so great and cool. Yeah, I'm not. Great for just creeping around and people watching.

Yeah, it's so cool. And what's the split that you do not in Hilton? I know obviously you're back home a lot more at the moment, but usual. So normally I go to London every Tuesday, Weddings day, and then I work in Glasgow, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So I normally do two weeks, two days a week in London, and then the rest of the time is in Scotland. Okay.

And do you see like a big difference between your clients from London and Glasgow? Like wanting different things or? Not really. Like I think everyone kind of has this thing with London that they're like, oh, but everyone's really demanding and really rude and this and that. And no, I always think I have such nice clients. Both in both Glasgow and London, they're lovely. And I think you kind of attract, I guess, what you put out there.

I would say I am like, I'm like, I'm a young, I'm a middle-eater. even know anyway like 30 my a lot of my clients are similar ages that they're in their 30s and you know working away their careers and kind of doing the same sort of things in life and I feel you kind of I seem to I don't know that it seemed to have a lot of that my clients so they're just quite nice normal girls that are like working away and you know going on nice all days and going out for dinner and doing all the usual stuff but yeah there's a lot of competition down there would you say with other clinics in the area or yeah there definitely is like I think in London that is definitely our biggest challenge

is that there is just far more choice and there's also I think there's lots of people that are doing it well as well whereas I think maybe in Glasgow it's more limited you've maybe not got quite as many options that you would think that feels like a good idea to go to them. Like Harley's straighting everything down in London haven't you? Totally but I think it's worked well

for me in the fact that I had that first because now I don't even think of the competition there's no point there's too much to consider I think of like I think of a hairdressers there's hundreds but if you're good you're going to do well and your diary is going to be busy but there definitely is there's big clinics that have way bigger budgets and do you know they like they also have brand association like you could go to barbstrom's clinic you could go to face gym you could go to like skinny skinesis I can never say it like 1-1-1 Harley Street there's so many

good places to go and a lot of the time looking at those treatments they offer like we do that or we do that we do it better but it's just it's brand awareness it's just getting people to know you and know that you're there and trust that brand and i also think if you're happy with something you're a lot like like it's hard to move i think and i get it like aesthetics hair nails all these things are important if you're with someone and you're happy why would you why would you change it but it's it's more the challenge now is getting people that see me to see our other injectors and i do think it's all about going to somebody with

enough experience, the right profession and who you trust. Because I think with me there was a real misconception with anything to do with injectables. Like I'm massively into skin care and I'll talk about that in a moment but when it came to Botox and fillers I'll hold my hands up. I wasn't ever against any of my friends having it at all but

for a long, long time I felt like Botox was you know I felt like I looked like someone like Jackie Stallone. Like I thought if I had that I would walk out. I'm not saying she's bad, but I felt like I would,

that's what I would look like. Million per cent. And I had no idea about going to the correct person the wrong place, whatever, like some of my friends used to go to things called Botox parties and it would just be like a beautician

doing it in a back room and they'd be drinking Prosecco and I just thought that's what you did and I'd never had it until I was 30. And then when I had had it, I was like, oh my God, like this is amazing. Yeah.

It's just like such a taboo subject. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get at. So can you... People just don't want to say they've had anything done. Like people want to say, no, this is how it actually look. Yeah. But that's why people have the wrong, like, opinion or thoughts on it because it doesn't actually, if you go to write people.

Yeah, this is what I'm running. It doesn't actually change the way you look at just two weeks, little things. Because, for example, like, I'd had Botox for about 12 months before I'd even said anything to Richard. And I thought, I'm going to, it's not a business what I do, to be honest. But then I did say to him, I'm going to go and have Botox, knowing I'd already had it. and he was like, no, don't, like, please don't, you'll look. I was like, well, I am, and whatever. And he was like, okay, well, you do you.

And I was like, well, it's weird, funny enough, because I've been having it for over a year, you've had no idea. And he was just like, oh, he just, for him, he feels like Botox is where I'm going to look completely different. Could you talk to us about, like, the misconceptions with Botox and the things that could go wrong and the implications or what it's helpful for, because I know people have it in their jaw to help them with, like, clenched jaws.

There's all different types of reasons. And also, like, the importance of going to... Yeah, somebody that's trained practitioner, not just like a computation who does lashes and brows. That's an ego, nah, isn't it? No. Is it not? Still not? The UK is like the worst,

there's no legislation in the UK for it, which is madness. Whereas everywhere else in the world there is, it's so strange that there doesn't seem to be the same rules. And there's like a real disconnect as to why the best reason I can think of is the amount of money that

non-qualified practitioners bring into like pharmacies and the sales of filler and things like that you could go and buy filler you don't need to be a medical prescriber to buy it yeah absolutely I was doing correctional work for who's telling me that a travel agent did their treatment what? Like that's just terrible but

no that must like just kill you inside it does and see when I think like the amount of work that you put into getting where you are and like I've done a master's in it now like you do you do absolutely invest in yourself but I think the more you do the more you realize absolutely like touchwood I've never had any bad complications but some of the things you see oh my goodness like I helped them two consultants

from Edinburgh with a really bad complication they had and it does make you realize and I thought right okay they're two consultants so so couldn't be more qualified and but they worked in aesthetics only part-time and I was helping them deal with this complication and it does make you think if you were from a beauty background and I have done beauty therapy I know what you're taught in those courses, you do not know the anatomy and physiology in the right way to know where those problems are going to lie and what they're going to affect and how they can affect it. I think a lot of it is people maybe just don't realize that they have to go to someone medical and someone who has that type of background. But I think it's becoming more known now

and people are asking the right questions. I love if people sit down and say, where did you train? How long have you been doing this? What's your protocols on complications? Are you a member of any complications boards. Do you do this? Do you do that? I think, yeah, good on you. Ask these questions. It's your face at the end of the day. Like, make sure you're in safe hands. But I think I've had also had a patient. She's still a patient at mine now. In London, she's a solicitor. And she said, oh, Fiona, could you wax my eyebrows after this? The first time I did her Botox? I'm like, no, I don't do that. One, you really wouldn't want me to. But also, that is not in the same realm. That is not the same job. Yeah. So,

I think it is... That's so funny. I was like, no, and you're dead smart. What? No. So I think it is just educating people that you want to be in the safest hands. And lots of people will argue like, but nothing's gone wrong so far, but it's when it does. I do think it's definitely got better though.

I think I've said this to you before, but my friend went to mind me saying this because she actually has been on this morning and everything trying to talk about this. But she had went to a Botox party and she had lip filler because she had a lip correction. and her lip she ran into like a fire extinguisher when she was a kid so she tried to even out the bump and you can google her name's rachel and apia and the you remember you would have seen this and it was hands down the worst i've ever seen anyone's lips look and it was to the point where she was told she's going to have to have her top lip removed and basically the girl that was doing it wasn't trained and she wasn't um she was told to go and she said she texted look my this is what's happened you've hit a nerve or something and she said oh just take an

antihistamine, they're not training to tell you what could happen if complications, you know, arise. The other thing that's so difficult is that, so what happened there is shed of vascular occlusion, so the blood supply is completely compromised and the tissue is dying off. So that's why they're like, your lip is going to go necrotic, it's going to turn black. That's terrible. And we're going to have to chop your lip off. That's the only option if we get to that point. But if that does happen, that can be corrected, not easily, but easily, easily. to me, you use a product called Highley's and you dissolve the filler that's in that vessel and also you can do it under guided ultrasound so you know exactly where that filler is

and you can dissolve it really quickly so there is not a huge delay in blood supply and oxygenated blood getting to the tissue of the lip. But when that happens and someone, one doesn't see the person face to face to realize what the problem is, doesn't check what's called capillary refill so how quickly the blood is getting to that area. The other problem is a beautician can't, they don't have prescribing rights so then how do they get Highley's which is a prescription only drug to correct the problem. So I can

prescribe Highley's and I can but they can buy the filler but they can't prescribe the one thing that will fix a problem with filler. Okay right. So it makes no sense that. It doesn't make sense and it's not fair to clients. Clients don't know what Highley's is. They don't know to ask that if that can happen and it can

happen and it's awful when it does like do you know that there'll be other ones if you Google it there's a really awful case of a girl's nose that wasn't that long ago but she was like I didn't even know nobody told me this problem could happen I think that is actually terrifying but I also think people go to beauticians as well because of the price which I just think my friends back down to have get Botox for like 80 quid no but that's then my thing is like so see like Botox that I buy it costs more than that for me to buy in. Yeah.

I'm like, what are they putting in your face? Yeah. What is that? How is it so cheap? What is that? I have heard people in the past say, like obviously people are like,

what do you pay? Like if you're recommending or whatever, which fair enough, you're going to ask a question. Then they're like, oh, I can get it so much cheaper. And I'm like, but I don't know that the more expensive to me in a way is kind of more appealing because I'm like, well, it must be really good stuff or it must be a really good person doing it.

Yeah. I just feel like it's so important to have this conversation because I also appreciate if people, don't want to do anything and age gracefully, that's honestly wonderful. But I do feel like there's a lot of people that do ask these questions or do do it incorrectly. And I think it's so important to actually raise awareness as to go to the virus. And I think, I think that's part of the taboo is that people see this bad work done and they think, oh no, that that's awful. Surely the better option is to just age gracefully and to just, you know, absolutely invest in your

skincare and nothing else. But the best work is the work that you don't know about. And I would say, the majority, I would say all of my clients would look at them, you wouldn't know they've had something done, you'd maybe think they must have, they look great, or they look really well, but that really done look, it's awful and it's ageing, if anything, it doesn't make you look any younger, but I think part of the taboo comes from

there being so much bad work out there. Yeah, but yeah, going to someone qualified, I would also say their price won't just reflect the product, it will reflect the experience and the hours behind. the hours behind that and also if something goes wrong you want to be in the safest hands

like Botox that people panic about filler and they panic about Botox. Filler you can always dissolve but with filler you could have way bigger complications that are going to be longer lasting Botox isn't permanent once it's in it's in so something could go wrong

but that will go within three to six months that product will have dissolved and it will have broken down and you'll be batching the way you were before so people say what one should you worry about more but I would say just worry about who's doing it yeah yeah I mean I had it when I was I've only had Botox my forehead but I got that when I was 24 but I needed it like I had like a really really obvious frown line which was actually just severely unattractive and it's like good like no one knows no one knew I had it you used to have

like all the little tiny lines isn't you which is just genetics isn't it what's that cool when people just yeah some people will just be more prone the first time i had botox yeah i was 24 as well and do you know people constantly ask what is the right age to start it and for botox i would always say it's don't put it down to age it's more coming down to skin quality like see if you're starting to get lines at rest in the skin that's when i would say start thinking about botox if i had someone who's 18 who comes in for botox obviously i'm going to say i think you're on the young sign you don't need this but if I have someone who's around 23, 24 and they've got deep lines in the skin

or they've used some beds for years their skin quality is awful then that's when you'd maybe think okay there's clinical indication to do it so I would always base it more on the skin quality rather than the age but again I have people that are in their thirties that come in and they maybe don't really need it

or else you could do with one area but maybe not two or whatever works for it but I said that's about you on Saturday I should find a bit Fiona but you're very good at saying no if somebody comes in and you don't need the money you just like no you don't need this yeah i think if you're saying no and this is your job this is how you make your money that's you were saying like this is how to pay your mortgage yeah and you're saying no then trust that you don't need it take that as gospel because you could just be taking and doing anything totally i think that will

like serve me well in the wrong long run but yeah definitely if there's some if someone comes in or often i think if i went to anyone else's work and ask them a question i would absolutely trust their expertise but because there's a lot of information out there on Botoxin and fillers and treatments people will say I really need like chin filler you don't and they were like no I do I do you like no trust me yeah for a really long time now you don't need it so I think it's just guiding them and making sure they're doing doing the right things for their face um just moving on to skincare yeah um I know that I think I wouldn't say it's so much a trend but I do believe that a lot of people are now

looking more into medical grade skincare and actual skin treatments like all the facial that you offer, Morpheus 8 that we were talking about Saturday. And I do think a lot of people are now looking more down that route. Would you say that's correct? Yeah, definitely. I think there's been such a big influx and interest in skin and people wanting that really flawless, blemish-free, beautiful skin and a lot of that

is obviously achieved not using injectables at all, which is great. But people are looking at what they're using, using at home and what products are going to work best for them and investing and even just coming in for a skin consultation which is free but just chatting to someone who knows and can advise what's going to work best for them but we do a huge amount of machine based treatments which I love and a lot of them will work on different things so they'll do they'll do multiple multiple things on one go like morphisate which will work on your fat contraction and and tightening the skin but also is going to work on fine line wrinkles which is poor size and working on

the tone and the texture which is lovely so i think yeah people are definitely more interested in it and definitely keen to do what they can at home i think as we were saying on saturday covid and lockdown has played a big part in that but we couldn't be busier with our facials as well like yeah yeah yeah that's might be yeah a good time to mention that that's where both me and jess have had a high facial yeah and it's just unbelievable they're so good like i know they are they're the best of it and it's the experience as well though like because I've had facials before and obviously I come in I hadn't had a facial um with you before and it's not that you think you're just and get a wee like rub to your face and you're out but it was like the heated beds it was all the whole

experience wouldn't it like down your neck across your chest did you have the LED mask at the end yeah just everything and it was like the smells in the room and then she was like very like subtle music on like extracting all your black heads and oh I just love that and then at the end it is like Like, this is what I found with your skin. Like, obviously before it, what's your concerns. This is what I found. Look, this is what came out your skin. You're like, oh.

Because you see all the blackheads in the water at the end. Yeah, I know. It's grim. And then, like, recommendations, like, what do you currently use? Maybe you could try this. It's pretty great. It's pretty great. It's actually uses.

Yeah, so we use a lot of skin citicals and we use a lot of Zio as well. And I love both of them. But my big thing with offering facials was I wanted to find, I wanted to create treatments that, brought together the real luxury of a spa experience but a spa facial I feel doesn't you don't feel you're getting that much of a benefit really to your skin whereas with a medical grade facial you absolutely do but places I'd worked in before clients were lying on the bed in a really bright horrible medical room that was cold fully clothed and you did their facial and they left and

they paid a fortune for it and yeah maybe their skin looked amazing afterwards but they weren't any more relaxed they probably didn't really get that benefit which could easily be achieved in an hour as well so I thought if I could combine that real luxury feel of a spad experience with the results of a medical facial then what's the other facial now that you posted on your Instagram? No there's you've got three new ones. What was what I replied to you have now? Oh so

there's one. You're doing the jaw thing? Oh my god. It's so nice. It's called the workout and so the girls did training with this amazing woman called get her Instagram was get fit face and um she is unreal but she does lots of facial massage and that real like muscle stimulation which is just unreal and they work on lots different ligaments and in sculpting the fat pads of the face and it's so nice and they do beautiful massage and it's so really good if you've got a lot of tension in your jaw if you can't your teeth it's amazing I'm talking about is the one where they're blowing the steam you get a steam

first yeah they do them so they do the steam and we have one which is called the baby face that's the one so nice so lovely just it uses hyperbaric oxygen therapy as well to push serums deeper into the skin so you're so hydrated and plump afterwards it's lovely and then we also do one called the detox which is another one of our new ones and we do steam extraction they do light micrneedling in it so it's really like light resurfacing which is great and then is that good for like acne scarring yeah absolutely yeah a lot of people have actually I know we'll come on to the listeners questions but is that a good recommendation

for acne scarring? A lot of people have been in about that. And like Kerry will look at their skin and... She's amazing. Yeah, Kerry's great. She's so good. I know, I love her so much. She's amazing. I just want always to be in her room but honestly you can't get him with the girl until like June now. She's so busy but she's fab.

But she will look at your skin and see how severe the scarring is or how severe the concerns are and she'll be able to gauge how deep she should treat you with micrneedling so yeah she's she's amazing and she knows skin inside out um so just want to talk a little bit about retinoles and asses like i love medical grade skincare anything with asses i could bathe in it but retinoles i'm always a little bit unsure i did have a big a few years back especially in covid i was using it but i've kind of fell off the bandwagon with it and i want to

reintroduce it back again but i don't know i just the downtime with it what products i should use i do use Zio as you know like I absolutely love it it's the best thing for my skin I've ever used. They're brilliant I mean and a cleanser but and skin suiticles I use a bit of that now yeah and I know it's expensive but for me it really does work totally can you give some advice to anybody wanting to start retinels or medical grade skincare I know because again like I'm saying it's it's expensive but what would your advice be my advice would always be by that your skincare routine doesn't need to be more than, I would say, like, four steps. And if you invest well, those products, they lash really, really well. Yeah, they're asked me ages, actually,

months. Yeah, they do. They last me. You get at least six months out of that cleanser. Totally. Oh my God, yeah. And like the zeal retinal, honestly, I would say you get even longer out of that. And they are expensive, but they're so worth the investment. They absolutely work. And I think a lot of the problem is people are just overexcited because there is so, so much on offer at all times and it is often they're influenced to buy a certain thing or try a certain thing. It's maybe not quite right for their skin but I think one have a consultation with someone

and they will make a plan. I think retinoles absolutely they're a marathon, not a sprint. It takes a while to get. Can you explain what that is? I met retinol. Absolutely so I'd love to know. I know what it is but I want to hear it from a professional. Absolutely so the best way to think of it is retinoids so that is a number terms. So they range from a really, really weak type of retinal up to a really strong one. So if you think of like Tretanone, which is a prescription only retinol so you can get... For Ravacotate. Is that the same about Raractate?

No, no. No. So it's just a topical. It's a retinoid, but it's just topical and you can use it. You can use it if you do have acne, but also your eye could use it and would have to build up a tolerance, but the results are really good. I want some of that. I'll get you something. Is it a vitamin A? Have I got that right? Absolutely. So they're all vitamin A products and vitamin A is a really clever product because what it does is it basically speeds up sale production. So you're going to get exfoliation, but then you'll also get collagen stimulation at the same time. So it plumps and it hydrates, but it takes a while to get there. It absolutely is a bit of a journey, I would say, with retinal. Your golden rules with it. Use a good quality one. Start using it one to two times a week and very, very gradually. build it up. The best time to put it on in your routine is at night time when you cleanse,

then put on your retinal and then wait about 20 minutes before you put anything else on top. So you need to let that work into the skin. If you're very new to it and very sensitive, you can layer it the other way in that you put like a hyalronic acid serum on and then put it on and you're not going to get quite

as aggressive a response to the product. But I would tend to say to clients cleanse, use your retinal wait 20 to 30 minutes and then you can put on your hyalronic acid serum, your night cream, your moisturiser whatever it is you want to put on afterwards

so build up really, really gradually your other golden rolls that leave two centimetre gap around the eyes around the corner of the lips and around the corner of the nose there are the areas that if it gets on have you ever had retinal of the eyelid yeah and it's so so stingy

oh yeah I need your nose well I was putting it on as a last step so it's interesting But it's just these things. Also, how are you meant to know not to do that? Like, you know, people, you just know, it is. Like, nicinamide, salsamic acid, high, like, blah, blah, blah.

Exactly, I know that is that. It's a lot to navigate. And also, like, your retinal, if you've got an oily skin type, amazing, you can use it on the same nights as you're using other acids, but I've got quite a dry skin. I would never dream of doing, like, anything with, like, salicylic in it, and then using my retinal. It would just be so dry afterwards.

but nobody who knows that because people will just layer and layer. Absolutely and then they're like why is my whole face falling off and is it agony for two weeks so you need to do it gradually and you will have some people got the retinal uglies

where your skin definitely does respond to it and you'll be red and you'll be flaky and you'll be dry and your makeup doesn't sit nice but once you get through that the results are amazing. Shed like a snake

absolutely obviously you need to live the snake life for a little while but it's worth it and then ideally the plan is with the retinal you build up to nightly use but that can take a little while to get there cool and we would love to know your must

have skincare brands and then some that you avoid sure smell the tea if you don't mind so I love I'll talk about ones we have in clinic and I'll talk about other ones that I love that we don't have I love skin cyticals I mean

it's completely dermatology backed which which is fab and there's so much research behind the brand like we get sent all the studies and for any product that they do the amount of studies that they do just for a product is crazy it's not even an injectable product it's just topical and they do put so much money behind the science of it which is which is great I absolutely love them and I feel clients love them like great results but I also don't feel they're super

aggressive so I don't feel there's a huge amount of downtime with the retinoles like also do a really great product which is called a retextirizing activator which some clients who either have quite a compromised skin who aren't quite ready for a retinal that you can build them up with that or people who just feel they never quite get there with a retinal and it's not for them they can continue to use that and you still get a really good exfolating effect from it so they have really nice products that I feel other brands don't have anything that matches that or anything that's similar so skin citicals is fab I think they're a vitamin and C, which is called C.E. Fulik is the best

one I've ever used. I use that. It's great. And what about the, I'm using the hyaluronic acid at the minute in the pomp bottle? Love that. Lovely. I put it on damp skin though. Is that right? Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, absolutely. Smashed it. Get better penetration. So, yeah, no, that is so nice. And Zio, I also absolutely love

a pepherzeo for an oily skin or for an acne-prone skin. I think the results are amazing. I use it I use exfoliating cleanser myself and if my skin was bad I love it so much I know it's the best cleanser in the world so good and you do hear that it does

really help people that do have breakouts like I was a Racketane girl quite a while ago but so my skin's never been that bad when I've ever had I went through a wee period of time where I was getting the odd one again but see since I've been used that since I got it at your clinic

I've not really had a spot well you know Holly, she is on her Racketane journey and I left my Zoh cleanser down at her house and she started using it. She's like, that is the best thing I've ever used. Why is on Maritaine? No, she's off in it. No, no, no, she's not on it now. Okay, good. And she was just like, wow, but she used the one

without the beads in it. Yeah. So it wasn't as harsh. Right, okay. It was another one. Not what I think? Probably dehydrated one. Yeah, she loved it. And she'll be needing that because she'll be dry. Yeah, she would be dry. She'll be like a little desert. But it, yeah, I think Zee was amazing. It

It works so well. At there, they have a retinal, which is my favourite retinal I've ever used, which is their 0.5% wrinkle and texture repair, and it's unreal. I've never used that. Oh, unreal. See if someone has skin, quite a thick skin, that almost orange peel texture to their skin, so, so good, so good for reducing pore size, great for an oily skin, it's unreal. You need to try it.

You could actually hide in my pores. I could crawl into my pore. Wet. You're both great Zio candidates. Like you both have skin that is good for Zio. Yeah. So I feel a little bit. Do you remember when I came to,

because I'd stopped using Zio for some time, and I came to your clinic. It was actually April last year. Yeah. I remember I was so congested. Yeah. And I started using facial. That's why I came.

And then I started using Zio again. And I mean, I broke out a little bit at the minute because I'm hormonal, but hormone, should I say. But yeah, I think it is without a doubt the best thing for my skin. Yeah. When I'm consistent with it anyway. Yeah.

I love it. Other brands I absolutely love, who's a brand called IS Clinical. I don't know if you guys have ever used them. Amazing. Similar, I would say it's quite similar to skinnecocles, but it's such a nice brand and great results. They have, again, quite niche products

that I feel no one else really matches. Drunk Elephant, Sunday Riley, all these ones. I do think they've got good products in their ranges and I think they're good. I think if you're on a budget, you cannot go wrong with a Venn. That's a really good. brand it's a French brand

but it's a similar price point to like so it's A-V-E E-N-E oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah really lovely and La Roche Posey that's good set to fill all of these ones What about Saravi? Yeah I love Serravee

I feel like this needs to be my time in this episode to punt bioma yeah bio it's great by the way because I work for them do you know I was gifted some bioma and I'm loving it I'm a lot, yeah, really liking it.

And I'd say I'm a tough crowd. So, yeah, I think this stuff's lovely. I love that. I love that every day. That is amazing. And I really love the spray mist. Yeah, yeah. I've not tried that. I do think, because like the CEO,

he's so into all that stuff. Like, it's not, I think some of the kind of cheap, it's not like dirty cheap, but it's like a cheaper price point. It's more for like a younger consumer. He's so passionate about like skincare and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, he is.

skin's like glass. The stuff that's in it is what you do look. I'm not just saying like I'm yeah I'm just putting it because but he actually is really passionate about it and he has all the ingredients like on the packaging so it's quite it's really transparent and you know what you're putting on your skin. It's all fragrance free and I mean we have um we constantly we have people and we do like teen hydro facials we'll have people in here maybe like age 16 to 18 that don't have the money to spend on it or their mum and dads are buying them. So a lot of the time carry your eye will be like use buy the cleanser and buy the complexional neural pads and go and buy a cheap moisturiser elsewhere because that all you need is to lock in some

hydration there. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't need to be that you're using everything as super expensive. One of the doctors who works with me in London, Shona is a dermatologist and she'll be the first to be like, don't spend on that, buy this. If you can afford the amazing moisturiser from skinciticals, unreal. You will absolutely love it. But also, you could go and buy in a Venn one, and it's going to help as well. It's just knowing the right things to invest in. I do feel like when I was using like things like Serravi

and all the brands we were just talking about, my skin got a lot better, but I think when I started using medical grade skincare, it was just completely different in the sense of like the glow and my texture of my skin. That's what I saw a change. My skin was still clear before and I still enjoyed it, but there's something different about using medical grade skincare,

don't you think? Yeah. But my sister, for example, she's 14 and she texts me because she's like well jess my skin broke out you know she was using the typical um tea tree witch stuff from and i went and got a bioma serra v and something else i said just have cleanse tone i don't think i don't think it was tone it was cleanse moisturized whatever and her skin's amazing now and i said send me your favorite product what was it and it was the bioma pink moisturizer just fragrance-free serum and she loved it and i think for her youngest

your skin you obviously can't be given a flipping no acids can I no exactly and I think like it's finding I think like especially when you're a teen if your skin's misbehaving yeah you're going to panic mode and they'll their parents will buy them loads of things yeah you don't really know what's working what what what isn't working but it's just finding things that will that will help but also you won't damage their skin they're so young and you don't want you don't want to be using anything too hard and it's like we have clients that say oh I use this I use a BHA and I use a AHA and I use this and I say what do they do and if they don't know they just have heard these buzzwords or know that salicylic is good if you've got spots but they don't know why it's good

or they don't actually know what glycolic acid is doing so it's just educating people on the right time to use it and the right time not to yeah and brands you would avoid I don't love so I was thinking about this and do you know or maybe products sure yeah no brands I would say I would say the ordinary I think there's lots of good points to the ordinary and that it's quite an affordable price point and they have a huge range of products but I've seen so many people over the years that have really damaged their skin with it just layering and layering totally I think it's because there isn't someone there the consultation process isn't there in the same way that it would be if you went to a skin clinic and I think it's maybe not quite knowing the right products the right

order and when you're overdoing it but we've had people that have really burnt their skin using too many acids and really damaged it and again because it's a affordable price point it often pulls in a younger client base which can mean that it's people that don't know they're just maybe putting too much on and damaging their skin and you don't want it to become the point of a repairable damage yeah so I would say I would say that L'Oreal Mains I feel we have loads of guys that come in and they're like, I use this, one product

and I'm like, oh, yeah. Gee uses, then he's soap on his face probably. Nothing about water. A bit of H2O in that set. Lucky men. Yeah, I know, right. I also feel like the thing with Ordinary is all their,

like their kind of brand purpose to them is that every product is an ingredient, essentially. Whereas really, you can combine three of them into one product. So that's probably why people are going wrong and buying five different serums because one's nicinamide, one's hyluronic, ones, whatever. Whereas you could buy a moisturiser that's got the three in it.

Right, I see what you mean, yeah. So it's kind of... I think what you all know for me is I have to thank it because I used to love the glycolic acid toner. Very true. We did that, actually. That was what got me into reading up about ingredients and knowing what was well. And that helped my skin, like, you would never believe.

It was six pounds, and I was like, this is amazing. I don't use it anymore because I found something better, but I was the same. I got sucked in. I was like, right, because I love that product, I'm not going to buy every. I had everything from the range. And I would pile it on, and that was when it was just like,

okay, this is stupid. Yeah. And I stripped it right back. You don't need to have all these steps. Like, as you said, like, it can be like three, four, five steps in your skin care of it. like people got carried away at one point yeah they did and that's when i had like acne so i was like trying loads and i was quite against like skincare in a way because i was like it's just all

i've had at this point i was like because nothing's actually help and everyone's just overdoing it thinking they need to do it and nothing fucking takes the spots away yeah totally but i've learned now you know we live and we learn but then i suppose that brings us on to ingredients yeah what do you think are the top or the kind of trend in ones because I see a lot in work as discussing what is like the kind of upcoming newly found ingredient that people will look for in a skincare product yeah do you know I would say it's so tricky because I do I do think it depends massively on your skin type I know you guys said think of some of your faves you want good quality antioxidants you want good quality ingredients. So things like vitamin C, some brands that would be called on the back

of the bottle, ascorbic acid. What you really want is elisorbic acid. That's the highest quality vitamin C you can get. So it's little things like that. How on earth is a consumer meant to know what they are looking for there? But I think going with a reputable brand, if you don't know what every single thing on the back of the box is, that will be a helping hand and you'll know that you're looking for the right things, lots of seramides, fatty acids, antioxidants is your big one, I would say at the moment, everyone's interested in it. A lot of plant-based products are coming out now with like mushroom extracts and CBD and things like that. What about bettoglucin? Medic-licking, yeah, absolutely. I love how you know that. She works as a skincare brand.

Yeah, absolutely. I think, see, if you know that you're looking for key ingredients, you won't go wrong looking for any of them but also I think it's hard to get that specific for a lot of people so I think they're going to look at the back of the packet and think oh I don't know what those going to be maybe 20 30 things right in there and they'll think I don't know what even any of those words are but I think if you one get someone to help you go into any skin clinic and someone should be able to guide you a little bit and then look for or more maybe find out what your skin is and what your concerns are and then try and get some products

to match up to that and some ingredients to match up up to it. Yeah. Apart from the best product ever, SPF, what is if you were speaking to somebody, what should everybody be using? Regardless of your skin type.

Do you know what I'm trying to say? What do you think we should all be using? Absolutely. So it's tricky because I would say SPF is your one. The only two products that are actually proven to have anti-aging properties so reverse the signs of aging are retinal and SPF. Wow!

So they're your two big ones. Fuck, we need to get onto retinal. I know when you get back on that back on that train. It's a journey, it is, it's full, like retinal is like, my face is all like peeling it's not, because I'm pregnant, but my face is all the face is. Body glow and that's what it is. So can you not use Retinal when you're pregnant.

It's perfect. No, you can't use any vitamin A products when you are pregnant, sadly. But yeah, when I will be going full throttle. I'm not. And this kid's out. Speaking of SPF, yeah.

Sunbeds. Yeah, I'm getting fucked off with TikTok. Yeah, you talk about this a lot. Like, I'm not really active on the old TikTok, but sunbeds seem to be coming almost like a trend.

People are buzzing off. It's all about how many minutes to go for. Like, it's almost as if, like... They're talking about this new cream. What's that to be tanned? Everyone's talking. I don't know if it's just my 4-U page,

but I am like, I cannot get over. Is it glamour? glamifying. I think it's very important that we hold our hands up and say I used to run to some beds when I was young

so I made that mistake and I am partial to going on it once a year before well I say once a year I could go on holiday more than that but if I was going on my summer holiday I would go on for two six minutes some beds

and I would always cover my face and I'm not saying it's good but I can't sit here and say it's so bad when I have done it I have also done it yet I'm much more aware of I care more now about the damage and people going on it

every other day I think wow these kids like oh this makes me ill because my skin was so bad had like bad all on my back had like these um malasas is it melasma so it wouldn't it be melasma but I know exactly what you mean it's like when are you getting almost like those big blockers all over it'd go for months and months like pigmentation yeah you'd just get like abnormal pigmentation and you know that I suffered from pigmentation on my top lip I have some moustache feet I don't get that anymore yeah thank God and I know that's because I've taken time to obviously avoid putting my face on the son or his SPF and all that bit have been to say but can you give us some advice to yeah I guess the question is how bad is the

damage that happens and to reverse it is it reversible or once it's done it's done and you're shaking your head and I'm nervous so yeah basically if you're using some bids stop it it is so bad for you um especially see you guys you both have more of a sallow skin like see someone like me who's pale and ginger, that it's so dangerous for you because you're so prone to burning anyway. So with sunlight, so you have UVA and UVB, UVB, UVB burns you. From natural sunlight, it is 95% UVA. So we're protecting against aging there and a little bit of burning. If you're somewhere hot, the UVB is going to be stronger. But on a sunbed, you've got no way to gauge how much UVA and UVB you're getting. So you don't really know what you're,

you're having to protect your skin against. But even in terms of skin cancer, it increases your risk of developing melanomas by about 25%. People that use some beds are 20% more likely to have skin cancer in the lifetime. It's so, it also just ruined your skin and you spot it a mile off.

Yes, it will look great when you're in your 20s, but honestly in later life, you will regret it so much. And the damage is done and it's irreversible and the pigmentation damage that will come pigmentation often doesn't present at the time but it will present down the line so at our age if we had bad

presentation that's probably from sun damage in our childhood so you don't know what's happening under the surface have you ever seen those lights that you can go under and it shows you all the UV damage I don't know if I could simply ever do that to myself I know well my mum has got really bad is it the sunspots on their face and she's really conscious about it now she's getting older and she wanted to go

for peals and everything but it's the one thing she's regrets she had no education really back then amount. And there wasn't. And I mean, I absolutely had been for some, I don't know what I was thinking, the palest ginger on the planet, but I had been for sunbeds when I was younger, hoping that you would become somehow a tan person and that definitely didn't happen. So we've all done it, but I think it blows my mind that they still exist, that some beds are still are still a thing. Yeah, a lot of people do say that, don't they? It's so dangerous and I think it's one of those things that. People take it, no sniff of things and getting more.

Milano tan But that you can inject it And your like bum people put it in You can nasal sprays Like even just the creams I've heard there's like some pen thing now No idea what that does Surely that must fuck you up

Yeah There's a lot of questions around like How your liver metabolises it And I just think I'm like just get a spray tan Or use fake tan I know I also feel like You've sat nuts

Another pun I also feel like Again not just saying it but fake tan has, like, evolved so much from what it used to be. Yeah. Like, now you can get all these products that do actually look natural or almost natural if you're decent enough at applying it. Like, stick a wee gradual tan on.

Do you know what I mean? A wee face drop on your moisturiser. I also think, I know there's probably going to be a lot of people listening to that do use some beds, but I think people look dirty. Don't you think? I think you can, Milanotan, you can tell from a mile off. That's what I mean, yeah, sorry. You're almost like, yeah, you're like, you think you're not.

You're not a natural, you're not a colour that any human goes without doing something like that. Yeah, it's not a healthy glow. No, it's not a healthy glow. I also do, like, I'm one that when I'm in holiday, if I'm not getting a good tan, it really bothers me. I'll hold my hands up and I'll admit it, especially when I'm with Jason,

because he tans really, really well. But I've lost my train of thought. Oh, my train of thought is, why are we actually that bothered with looking tanned? you but I think it's more of a healthy glow you want if you look if you're tanned

honestly as a pale person you look a million times better I mean I wear tan all the time it changes you but if you're not burning yourself so you on holiday like you guys you will take a tan definitely you have that type of skin

that's absolutely fine as long as you've got SPF on you will still tan with SPF on absolutely but it's meaning you're not you're reducing the risk of damage to your skin so yeah just wearing an SPF on your body on holiday and your face as well

but you're reducing your risk of developing melanomas by it is 40% and reducing your risk of skin cancer by 50% just by wearing SPF and that's ranging from like factor 15 up so I say to every client make sure you've got factor 50 on your face but even if you've got factor 15 on your body

and you're someone with a sallow skin and you tan and you're not burning great that that's absolutely fine to do that and people say like oh but that's the same with a somebody I don't burn on it but it's you're not knowing what your body's exposed to and it's such that intensity that's so bad for you

we never go on somebody again no can we talk a little bit about 2020 or 2022 trends so much the whole what do you see is the trends in 2023 or what can you see people having and what do you think about the trends in 2022 such as the fox eye

and tear trough and all that so I would say I would say tear trough is a pretty constant one like that's been around for a long time if it's clinically indicated the results can be amazing I do a huge amount of it but again it needs to be the right patient a lot of people aren't suitable

for it if you hold any fluid under your eye you're not a good candidate for it because filler pulls fluid towards it it's going to make the eye look even more puffy and edematous with the fox eyes and the thread lifts I don't love threads anyway they seem to

do the rounds I always think they kind of appear every couple of years and then die of death again they're not particularly long-lasting you need to if you do them you need to go to someone who is doing them non-stop I've seen some really bad complications with them and

you need someone who knows their anatomy so absolutely only go to a medical professional for them with like the fox eye I think like people think oh I'm going to get a really good browlift with this and you do get a bit of a brow lift to an extent but so many of them are done

you'll have seen so many with that big puckering like above the brow which which stays and also the nerve damage that can happen here is just horrendous you can end up like this and I would say it's not worth it either do a Botox brow lift or you can also lift the brow by putting a little bit of filler under the brow here it works really well just to help to lift the brow but I would say the risk doesn't outweigh the benefit and also with threads your worries are like that they burst or that they migrate or that you just get a really poor end result and you don't see that much of benefit from them. So I don't love them. I wouldn't say it's worth it. And I think like things like people are like, oh yeah, my eyebrows are going to look like Bella Hadid if I do that and they're not. A Bella Hadid. Surgical brow lift go, that is what that is. Like it just is madness.

Also, like a lot of people's people that get these fox eye situations, their eyes look shut. Can I just say that? Like how are they, this small. gap that they have. How are they seen through that? It looks so. It does look like his eyes puffed out and it's, they've got a tiny wee slit to look through.

I don't know if you had it. It'd be fucked. What do you, sorry, what do you mean by that? Because you got little pee eyes? I'm, right? I have a thing about my eyes, right? Because I'm confused because people say, I think.

Not, people say I've got big eyes, but then you're saying I've got pee eyes. You have big eyes, but they're like... As soon as I smell, they're goner. What would you say they're like, the shape? What would you say they're like? you'll do that deliberately the smile that's what I say to you when I say go on do the smise and you do the whole sexy little tiny eyes interesting right Fiona we're going to go into some listener Q&A best skin prep for a lead up to a wedding if they want to look like the best glowing

version of themselves we do loads to the point we've actually just introduced bridal packages where they save like 200 pounds per package because we see so many brides I would say hydrofacials or unreal. Oh, 100%. Something like profilo or nucleophil is great, like a beauty booster, injectable. A little bit of Botox does absolutely help, but get your facials in and get your skincare nailed.

If you're not interested in injectable is absolutely fine, do that. We also do a treatment called Forma, which is a radio frequency lifting facial, which is amazing. You can tie that in with a hydrofacial and it's fab. And just quickly about profound and profilio, because I know a lot of people, because I speak about that a lot,

and I love it, can you just explain quickly what that actually is. Yeah, absolutely. So profound is more of like a mesotherapy treatment, I think. I don't do it. I think it's, is that the one we have lots of tiny little. So it's mesotherapy that that one is. So that's like a vitamin and mineral, I assume,

multi-injection treatment. Whereas Profilo, what you're doing is you're injecting five key points of the face with a very high quality hyluronic acid. So same thing that a filler is made up of, same thing that you'll see on moisturisers and things like that. It's just injecting the skin, put on top absolutely so it's going underneath the skin so it's coined an injectable moisturiser it's going to plump and hydrate the skin really good for fine lines and wrinkles just

giving an all overglow and just making your skin look really dewy wow stunning um another one loads people ask how to even skin tone mainly like dull down redness yeah so i have really red skin naturally we do a treatment called lameca which is three times stronger than ipL so it works really, really well to take away any vascular or pigmented lesions. So great for that sort of general redness that people get sitting along the midface here. Really good for thread veins,

really good for pigmentation. It's coined the filter facial because it just takes everything away and really evens out the skin tone. Sounds bloody great. And would that work for like rosacea as well? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, perfect. Love that. What about the dark eye circles without the tear

trough or without any sort of filler or any just treatments that can help with that? Don't have... No alcohol, perhaps. So a lot of that can't be helped and it will come down to genetics. So the skin under your eye is ten times

thinner than skin anywhere else on your body. And underneath this area here it's very vascular. So that's got a real purple hue to it so it can make under the eyes look quite dark. There's a treatment which isn't injectable but it's not as intense as a filler

which is called nucleophil which we use a lot for under the eye which is really good for brightening under the eye area other than that it's skin care it's facials there's no miracle cure for it you can't bleach under the eye sadly there's nothing a concealer yeah exactly

get a good concealer um thoughts on roacotine I think roacotine is amazing for what it does there's very there's only one other drug that I think does similar for those of that for anyone who doesn't know racotane is a vitamin A medication that you would take if you have severe acne and it completely dries you out and it really dries the oil. So if you've got that oversupply of oil, you won't have that anymore. Your skin will be super dry, but it will clear your acne. With it, there's

quite a lot of side effects that aren't lovely. It can affect mood. You can't get pregnant while you're on it, you have to sign to say that if you do fall pregnant, you have to have an abortion. Now most dermatologists will ensure you're on the pill if unless there's a magical reason for you not to be. That's crazy. So it is quite an intense drug to be on and also because it is so drying,

like your eyes will be really dry, up your nose. Did you find that? I had a lot of people get severe nose bleeds, but I actually didn't get the bleeds, but I got a bloody nose. So any time I woke up or bloominose or anything, and it was full of dry blood. Like I almost feel like I have still,

if I'm picking my nose, we all do it. I almost feel like I've still got like, almost as if I've had a tough bit that's never gone away. But I know it's not there, but I don't know if it's just me that thinks it is. But that was bad, yeah. The side effects can be really long lasting as well. Like people can be off it for such a long time

and they still feel that they have this drying effect from it. And I mean, years that people can feel that. There's a drug now, which is called spire and a lack. which has a lot of similar, it's not, so it's not similar to reactane and that it's not just designed for acne, but the results are very similar. So there's a dermatologist that I refer to in London and called Dr. Brzeini, who's incredible and she works at the Marlebone Clinic, but she often now puts patients on spiroinolactane because it doesn't have as horrible side effects as racotene. But it's still very, very good at treating acne. It's a lot of

newer so with some dermatologist they maybe will just continue to use your Racketans they know it better but it's worth asking about if you are looking at going down the Rackettine route to see if it's something that can be used I do think the one thing I'd like to say about it is obviously everyone's different

I was only on it for four months and like I really didn't struggle at all yeah had quite dry lips and it was great I didn't need to ever wash my hair because it was so dry and like the nose situation and whatever but if you can handle that or even if you're

put off before even going to see about it, don't be because it really changed my life. Yeah, your skin's amazing. I would say, and I also think that I have patients all the time that I refer to dermatologists for it and I think it absolutely does what it says on the 10, like it will fix your skin.

Yeah, and I think it's better as well if you have adult acne, which is what I had, because I didn't have bad skin at all during school. Nothing, I was literally like 20 to 20, when I got it and I think that feels in a way even worse because I mean I didn't have at school so maybe it doesn't but it came out of nowhere and I was like what am I going to do about this and I'll even post like my B&A on the stories because it was unbelievable yeah it was and Fiona

this is a good question actually because this is happening to a lot of my friends now I'm like in my 30s but a lot of my friends are experiencing adult acne and is it true something like your hormones do a cycle every 10 years or something and this is why it comes back why are people getting acne as an adult. Like there's so many different theories to it. And do you know, there's lots of things that could contribute to it. Like hormones are a huge one. If you have low estrogen and low progesterone, then that can really affect your skin.

If you have high antigen hormones, then you have a much higher chance of having adult acne and like things like PCO, like polycystic ovary syndrome and things like that. it can be stress, it can be diet, it can be all of these things. But health is a big thing, isn't it? Absolutely. And also, I was listening to a dermatologist speak recently, and they were saying, people say, like, I've had loads of chocolate this weekend

and now I've got spots on the Monday. Things that show up on your skin can be from the last three months. So it's very difficult to pinpoint what it is, like to see if it's a dairy allergy, to see if it is PCOS, to pinpoint what is causing it is really difficult. and it's one of these things I don't think there is a definite answer as to why, like with hormone cycles and things

it definitely could be something that contributes to it but I think it is difficult to pinpoint the exact thing but I do also think it's on the rise I feel now I see even more adults with bad skin than I used to Absolutely like in London I get that a lot

Yeah, I have bad skin in London People that have moved from outside London to London My skin's gone crazy and it is, it's just all of these like free radicals that you're exposed to that you weren't before. It was awful when I lived in London my hair, the water.

I know, the water, rubbish. Oh my God, my hair was so bad. I've got one last question that I think we could end on and it's like kind of shits and giggles a wee bit but I would love to know what your answer it is to this because maybe I'll prove it a lot of people wrong.

Does squeezing spots actually cause you scaring, marks, redness or did someone make that up? So it's a bit of both. Like there's definitely the extraction is a thing and it should be a thing. See if you've got a big white pussy spot

and you squeeze that and get the pus out of it, fine, the problem lies and when people pick and over-squeeze and are trying to pick things that don't even have a head on it. Okay, well I also do that but I'm not walking around with a white head.

Everyone please squeeze that. Honestly, I'll happily squeeze it for you. You can like extract a white head but also I would say do you know my advice still to be says don't pick anything, just leave it and come and see someone to do it properly or like a hydrophacial machine,

that can do it for you and it'll suck everything out without damaging the skin around it. But especially someone like me with a pale skin, if you are squeezing spots, you will be left with that hyperpigmentation afterwards. That post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation, that redness and it's a pain, it takes so long to go. But things like your retinoles,

your salicylic glycolic acid, get all those things in your teeth. I do think like vitamin C's really help. me bright in my skin, my dark circle, my dark top lip and all that. But I have to say though Zoe, I've definitely got scarring on my cheek from picking spots because I get right

in there and I've... No, I mean I do too, but I just thought to fling that one in there. And what I have actually, I'm much better now and I feel like if I start to see anything coming see by making sure I definitely properly cleans with that, so use the pads, it doesn't really, it

very rarely comes to anything now. It's so true. Like it really is as if it just dries it and takes having overnight? If I have a spot coming out to put that pad on and I don't, it doesn't ever... It doesn't come. Yeah.

I agree. Magic stuff. So anything with salicylic acid in it what it's dropped. So salicylic acid targets the pea bacteria and acne. So like that, if something is brewing away

that salisil it's going to get to work, target that bacteria and then that spot doesn't really get to fruition. Wow. Wow. I feel so knowledgeable now. We need to get on retinol

as soon as we get home. Good age to start retinol 25? did you say? Yeah, I would say around about that. That's always sort of the number that's thrown out there. And, yeah, I think a good time to start it. But I also think if after a couple of months it doesn't seem to be agreeing with you, you find it too drying, too irritating.

There are other things that you can try and use. Fab? Thank you. Can we also just say. So basically everyone has to go see Fiona. Yeah, she do. We'll do all the tags on the stories, but Notting Hill if you down south. and Bears stay in Glasgow

if you're up hit this way yeah looking for you but can we just say that we well I've been munching on Fiona Vivian made the most incredible Easter bake box I've ever seen

can you just say what your mum inspired these cupcakes oh my goodness they're from like her new snazzy cookbook she's excited about but they are for people who love to lick the bowl because it's apparently

the icing tastes like that cake mix but it's all baked it's not it's not raw we need to encourage her to actually do these boxes and sell them I know, so delicious. Oh, look at the actual.

Colorful in sight. We'll be posting a picture of them and we'll be saying, would you all like to have a box of these? And then we'll get your mum. See how many orders we can do. She would love it. Absolutely.

Tips for her at the bottom. Well, I'll watch this. Thanks so much, Fiona. Not all. Thanks for that. That was really amazing. Yeah. I loved it.

Thanks, guys. I can't wait to come back. I'm actually in with you quite soon. Are you? Yes. I'm booking in for that facial soon as well. Absolutely. I'm getting in there.

I could just live in there with you. I know me too. I just live in Kerry's room. Well, thank you so much and we hope everyone enjoyed the pod and you enjoyed coming on as our lovely guests. I did. I loved it.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Anyway, guys, we'll see you next Tuesday. We hope you loved it. Bye. Bye.