A Lot On Your Plate - S5 Ep8: Adult acne, wedding skin prep & the truth on LED masks

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

This week on ALOYP Zoe is joined by skincare and aesthetics expert Fiona, director of, award-winning, The Aesthetics Club. Fiona has had huge success throughout her career starting as a nurse based in London to owning an ever growing business, now having 4 clinics across the UK. Fiona chats us through all things aesthetics, skincare and her must-have products. Covering topics such as botox, pregnancy treatments, vaginal treatments, how to treat adult acne & acne scarring, anti-ageing, retinol, roaccutane, pigmentation, moxi laser, BBL hero, rejuvenating oxylight treatment and so much more! You won't want to miss this one✨Make sure to follow @theaestheticsclubuk for more & to book in with the TAC team to get your glow on! Don't forget to quote 'ALOYP' or 'A lot on your plate' for 15% off your first facial.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Happy Tuesday. You'll see that it's only me here today, but we do actually have a lovely guest joining us soon, Fiona, from the Setets Club. which if you've been here from the start she's been on before so round two with her today talking all things skincare, aesthetics product recommendations

however sadly it's only me here because Jess lost one of wee cats at the weekend really suddenly so she's not up for chatting this week which is understandable so hopefully you'll all send you your love and your well wishes and we'll just get right into it welcome Fiona thanks for having me

I'm excited I know I know second time round because everyone loved you the first time. Oh, thank you. It just, you can't get enough of this kind of thing, can't you not? Yeah, I feel the girlies love it. Yeah, and you've got new updates for us as well. Yeah, I do.

I know. We've got exciting ones for sure. So first off, let's do a kind of brief intro about you, how you got into aesthetic, skincare, a bit about your background in case we've got anyone new. Sure, okay, so my name's Fiona. I'm the founder and clinical director of the Aesthetics Club. We have three clinics in the UK, so we've got one in London, and then we've got two in Glasgow,

and we are just about to open one in Edinburgh on Saturday. So I have done aesthetics now for 11 years, and I got into it after having my lips done. I did a course, and that was, yeah, a really long time ago, so I was 21. And I just really enjoyed the course, and I just thought, like, I don't know, it was a weird feeling. I just thought, this is going to be my job,

and I'm going to move into this. And at the time I was a nurse working in London at King's College Hospital, so I had a totally different job. And I was doing this course, and the women running the course said, I think this is going to be like what you do. And I was like, thank you. And then I just started to do more and more training, more courses. And then my career moved into aesthetics.

So I worked for lots of different people in London. and I worked at a private members club for quite a long time, which was really fun. So we would do quite a mixture of like vitamin drips, aesthetics, a little bit still of like practice nursing. So I'd still do lots of blood tests, smears, all of those kind of things. So it was nice because it kind of did a little bit of both. So I was really enjoying that. And then I was asked to interview for a job, which was for the biggest cosmetic and aesthetic company in the UK as their lead nurse for London and for training up all of their nurses internally.

So I moved into that role and really enjoyed it and then started to train more and more people for an external company. And then it just gradually got to the point where I thought, I'll try and do this on my own and see if it works. I'll just do one day a week. And then, yeah, that got really busy, really quickly. So gradually moved into renting space in another clinic and then having my own clinics. And then in 2020, my husband and I moved back to Glasgow and I thought I'd better do some more. Back to the Motherland. Yeah, it dragged them here.

So then we, yeah, we were in Glasgow and it was lockdown. It was kind of a weird time and I thought, right, we'd better open a clinic here because I was still going down to London loads to see patients there. So opened the one that we have in Bear's Den. And then Bears Den was really busy, really quickly, which was lovely. And I thought, right, we need more space in Glasgow. And I looked at either moving Bears Den to a bigger location, but I thought, why don't we divide and conquer? so we opened in Newton Mairns

which is great kind of being on both sides of the city so that's working out really nicely for us and then I've got a clinic in Notting Hill which I'm at every second week and then on Saturday we open in Stockbridge in Edinburgh so that'll be fun I'm excited to be able to stop you

just go go go a ill toddler stops me often but no it's good yeah it's really busy and you know the team is growing and they're all amazing so there's I think There's 22 of us now, so yeah, a really big team. And yeah, lots of, lots of nice people keeping everyone looking fresh-faced.

Lovely. And if anyone hasn't made the connection, Fiona's who me and Jess go to for our Botox and our facials and the famous hydrofacial. Yeah, they're easy work. You guys are easy work. So for anyone who calls it's shiny, it's not shiny, it's glow. It's glow. It's glow. Okay.

We work hard to get that. So what kind of treatments can people expect to see? when they look on your website. We do lots of different things. We do injectables, which tend to be your Botox, your filler, your skin boosters. So when we think of skin boosters, the two brands that we use,

one is called amyla, which is a polynucleotide. So that's going to really help to it's what we call a biostimulator. So teach yourselves to make more collagen and elastin. And we can use that in different areas to improve skin quality to make things tighter, brighter, plumper and fresher. Neat. Yeah, it's so good. I love it.

We do such a huge. huge amount of it now actually I am I absolutely love it I think it works so so well and then we also do a lot of profilo which lots of people know so that's more of a hydrating product so really nice to get that hydration plumber glowier jury skin so it's coined an injectable moisturiser so that's really what it's doing it's adding hydration in there and so we do lots of different types of injectables we do lots of filler and that could be volume replacement profile balancing lip enhancement all the usual things and then we have lots of

of different machines. So the machines vary from clinic to clinic, but we do a lot of morphosate, so that's really good for tightening up the skin, making everything a little bit sharper, a little bit more contoured, really, really good for patients, sort of a little bit older, 40s, 50s, works really, really well. And then we also do a new machine, which no one else actually has in Scotland, which I'm absolutely loving. So there's two different parts of it. One is called BBL Hero, and that works on pigmentation, really. redness, vascularities of the skin,

so really, really good to get that flawless, filtered-looking complexion. And then Moxie is a non-ablative resurfacing treatment.

So it resurfaces the skin, so great for texture, fine-lined tone, but it doesn't have a huge amount of downtime with it. So you'll be red afterwards, but that redness will go by the next day.

And then your skin's kind of dry for about a week afterwards, but nothing too extreme. I've had it. And it's like, this is so good. The difference is, incredible to the texture of people's skin

is amazing. We're doing a lot of it now for acne scarring and the results have been so good so that'll be in Edinburgh and that's in Newton Merens as well. Lovely. I know. You just get everything. I know and then there's lots of facials as well, all of our usual facials so we do hydrofacials everywhere and then we have our signature facials as well

and we have a new machine which I love called the Oxylite so I really really wanted this. I saw lots people getting prepped for the Oscars and using it. I was like what is that machine? How can I get that? I need that. How do I get that here? And the more I researched it, I saw in the UK, hardly anyone had. It was only in Harrod's the Rosewood Hotel and the Bougarie Hotel. And I was

like, I don't know if they're going to agree to come to Glasgow. But anyway, we managed to get them to agree, which was amazing. So that's in Newton Wairns and in Edinburgh, and it will be in all clinics eventually, but the results are incredible. So it's a six-step facial, and it really targets anti-aging concerns. So great for plumping and lifting. like you treat one side of the face and when you're looking down at your patient you can see how sculpted and lifted they are and it's great they do derm abrasion in it as well

and really really strong lymphatic drainage so you feel really sculpted afterwards really really lovely so that is new and really exciting so that's a good one to get if I had endless cash I know a little different person you could be in every week I know I know try them all

so enjoyable as well like that's what I like about your clinics are relaxing Yeah. Even though a lot of your treatments are very like results driven, it's not clinical. yeah I wanted to have like the real medical expertise but I didn't want it to feel I used to work in these clinics in London and they'd be really fancy but people with loads of money were coming in and still kind of feeling intimidated yeah into the space and I thought that's not what anyone wants no one's going to want to come back to that so I wanted to create something that felt really welcoming really fun to come into but it's still really professional and results driven so my other thing was we used to do like all these medical treatments and you'd be in like this freezing room lying with all your clothes on I thought that's still really professional and I thought There's no reason we can't, like, combine that with how a spa treatment should feel. Yeah, exactly. And make it feel really special and still feel like a treat.

So, yeah, I feel we've done that nicely. Yeah, the bed's so cozy. I know, it's so nice, isn't it? I love, like, getting in there. What a treat. I know. Cozy and in. Oh, it's so nice.

I know. I'm like, I can't do any more work now. Anyway, our listeners had so many questions. Great. For you, obviously. So I've split it into, like, aesthetics and treatments, and then skin care after that. So first one, which is a big one, advice for anyone wanting those sort of tweaks, but not sure where to start?

So I would say always start with a consultation. I think we have that a lot of people come in and they're like, I feel I want to do something or I feel I look a bit tired or run down or whatever it may be, but I don't really know what the right thing is. So definitely have a consultation, even have a few consultations with different places and see kind of what feels like the best fit for you. but we would always do an injectable consultation and we'll tie in a skin consultation with it. Sometimes it's just that they need to invest more in the skin side of things rather than the injectables

and I think it's really dependent on age, budget and sort of what they're looking to change. So we'll normally start with a consultation. I always say to people tell me what you tend to focus on and then we'll normally build a treatment plan from there. So most people will say like, what's these lines here? My makeup sits in them around my eyes or when I'm smiling, my lips seem to be getting thinner. and then, you know, that'll give us a good indication of where we're going to go. But I think, don't rush it, don't do it on a whim, have a

consultation, don't do anything that day, go home and have a thing about it, and then go from there and book it. Yeah. So for Botox, then, how do you know when it's the right time? So if we're thinking clinically, we're looking at lines in the skin that

are there at rest, so they're not disappearing, so I always think of forehead's a good one because everyone can think of them. if you've got horizontal lines on your forehead that are sitting in the skin at rest and sort of you feel your makeup sitting in them it could be time to think about doing some Botox people often ask like do you do

should I start doing this preventively but Botox works so well it's so effective so if you're early 20s you don't really need to be starting to do that wait until you're starting to be bothered more and more by those lines and then it's time to think about it in terms of ages it varies it depends on people's skin quality

sun exposure how good they are with SPF and skincare, all of those things but I would say kind of late 20s, early 30s is usually the time that people go for it we do have some people that are younger and if it's clinically indicated that's fine but it's not something I think if you've no lines

start doing there's no need to save your money spend it on skincare and facials and then you can get the hard stuff when you need to I actually got my Botox the first time quite young, but I needed it. I was the same. I was 24 when I had Botox for the first time. I think I was 24 as well.

And when I went, the woman was like, yeah, you do need it. And I thought, how long have I needed it for? Because now I've got a complex. Yeah, yeah, I know. And I think once you've had it, then you're like, oh, I really did need that. But I think as well, like, I don't know, I was doing all the right things with skincare, but I think I just must have had a really expressive face. It was just my forehead.

That was the only bit that I was like, oh. Yeah, I had a frown line, which makes a lot of sense for me. I'm sure everyone understands why that would be. So a few people asked about the pain of injectables. Obviously, it's different for everyone. Yeah. But is there any way you can explain it to almost like settle people's nerves? Sure.

So I would say Botox is really minimal. I would say it kind of feels similar to like plucking an eyebrow hair. Yeah, I agree. It's not bad at all. and it's little tiny scratches and your treatment is over with in a couple of minutes so it's not anything that's too bad other injectables can hurt a little bit more

so lip filler is always the one that people think about that it's going to be a little bit more painful when we do lip filler we use a really strong numbing cream and then we also use a four millimeter needle so the tiniest teeny little needle that you can use and that makes a huge difference so I think it really depends who's doing them what technique they're using all of those things

definitely play a part but I wouldn't say anything's unbearable. In 11 years, I've never had anyone say stop that's too sore. I can't cope with that pain. I think more it's as adults, people aren't very good with anticipated pain when they know it's coming. Yeah, the nerves. The nerves can you get the better of them? But I don't think anything's too bad at all. Morphosate's a little bit spicier and moxie. Actually, Moxie's not too bad. It's okay, actually. I just think. Yeah, right. It's the waiting because the first time, like you do the needle for the Botox, like I'm a jump. But then after to that is actually quite like.

Yes, but I know people are like, youthfulness is coming. Also, pain is beauty. That's just part of life. Totally. I don't think it's anything too bad. I would say, like, getting your upper lip wax is way worse than a lot of it. Bikini wax, nothing will top that for me. Definitely.

That's a one-time thing for me. A one-time thing. Waxing is way, way worse, I would say, than anything that we do. So, no, nothing is too bad. I have heard that dissolve in your lips is worse. than getting them done? I would say, oh, do I think so?

It depends. I think it's probably a little bit stingier, but often with dissolving you don't use a numbing cream because numbing cream makes you swell, so you don't use a numbing cream because you want to make sure

that you can see exactly where the filler is. So I don't... Do you know, again, I use a Botox needle to do dissolver so I don't find my patients think it's too bad, but I have had patients that have had terrible experience

from elsewhere. So I don't really know. I don't know what they're, doing to make it so bad, but it shouldn't be anything too terrible. Hopefully that helps a lot of people and they'll get booked right in. Yeah, absolutely no. It's nothing too bad. What's your thoughts

on derma-planning? A lot of people doing it themselves now at home? Yeah, so derma-planning, I think, is fine. I would say if you're doing it at home, make sure you're using like a clean blade every single time you do it, single use, get rid of them and should be careful you don't cut yourself. But

I think with it, with dermaplaning, we often see a lot of people have breakouts afterwards and I think it's more the products that people put on afterwards, they put on something too active and you have given your skin a really good exfoliation. Right, okay, yeah. Taking off that top layer so I think when you're doing that

you just need to be really mindful of what you put on afterwards, make sure it's only like a hyaluronic acid or something calming, don't put loads of vitamin C and active's on because otherwise you will start to get breakouts. It's too much for your skin to kind of make all in one go. So dermapalining's fine. I used to not love it too

much but I feel since I had my son I'm like great he's given me a beard as a gift so I definitely do do it more but I think a lot of it is just being mindful that you're using a clean tool every single time you do it and if people incorporate it in facial then then great yeah you'll be in because I have a really hairy face so I have had it done a couple times yeah me too but then I just don't know if it comes back I know think it comes back more or not really no like when you look at the science of this it doesn't actually come back any thicker but I think what makes people feel like it is is because you have that really stubbly stage whereas normally you just have that soft peach fuzz and

that doesn't really feel like hair growing in or like you don't feel as aware of it but when like you do that kind of stubble you think cool new beard I'm lucky that I've got light hair but see when it catches the light like my whole face is covered in here I'm the same yeah I've got a really fluffy face like I could pull it off yeah I'm the same yeah I could pleat mine I think mine is yeah And it was actually Jason that said to me, it was earlier on the year he was like, how hairy is your face? And I thought, why did you say that to me?

Don't bring this to my attention. Then I shaved it off. Yeah, mine seems to get really bad after second baby. I got a full on beard. Mine was in the first time my dearman plane at home, I was like, oh, my goodness. Couldn't believe how much just got off? I could have made a wig. I was like, wow, this was a lot.

Right, a massive subject, obviously, is hormonal acne, breakouts. Yep. Which if anyone's watching, I have one. And it has to be on this side, because it's just been on that side. Anyway, so what kind of treatments would you recommend getting and avoiding if you suffer from acne or you're trying to help it? Yeah, so there's loads that you can do. And I think there's also times with acne that you should do absolutely nothing. Yeah.

And just let your skin kind of reset and calm down a little bit. So I would say hydrofacial is great if you've got breakouts. It's going to help to get rid of all those impurember. put hydration back into the skin but a big thing with acne is use all your products need to be oil free so that you don't get more breakouts and hydrofacials great option I normally say patients come in for that first and then we can work on a plan with more severe acne we'll often do like BBL has a treatment that we can do with it for for acne which is amazing and you do six six sessions of that over like over six

months and the results are great but that would be a very if you had more severe acne. Also, we can do lots of different types of peals. But again, it depends kind of where you are. If you've got mild acne, then we're going to look at doing mandelic peals. If you've got more severe acne, we're going to look at doing salicylic things.

So we're going to kind of up that as need be. We'll always look at people's products as well and see what they're using. Hormonal acne can be really tricky because you're doing all the right things and then your period comes again and your skin starts misbehaving. So it can be really difficult to get on top of,

but we can also look at, at prescribing medications or referring people to dermatologists if need be. So there's loads of options there. But I think simplifying what you're using at home is really key. Even like using LED masks and things like that, I hope that will bring down the inflammation in terms of your products, glycolic acid, salicylic acid, nicinamide, all of those things will really help at home. And are you for or against roacotine?

I would say I am for roacotene. I think it can be life-changing but I'd say that with a huge amount of caution around it because it is a really intense drug to be on has a huge amount of side effects but now so with racotine that can only be prescribed by a dermatologist so if you see your GP if you see me we'll always have to refer use so you are in the safest hands with it

but now I think the dosing is better you're not put on such a high dose people used to be on a much higher dose initially and kind of was a bit more blanket where now I would say it's a little bit more tailored to that patient's needs. So racketine is great, but it can be quite an intense drug to be on. There's another drug that's used quite a lot now called spironylactane, which has similar effects to racetine, but doesn't have as many side effects.

So if you are thinking about getting ractin, always ask if you could be put on that and if you're a suitable patient for that. So I do think it is good, but I think it's something you have to really think about going on. but yeah I think I used to do a clinic in London for a company that I worked for and it would just be acne patients that I'd see all day and the effects that acne can have on people and on their confidence I just think like it is really really hard and it's like heartbreaking because of them are sort of teens and early 20s and you know they don't want to leave the house because of it and I think

if you're at that stage it's a really good thing to look at and something that could really really help because I went on it when I was I think I was like 22 because I got adult acne and I'd never had spots really throughout school or anything so I was like where his this came from and honestly I shout out about it from the rooftops but I know I was lucky I didn't really suffer

from side effects I did have like a dry bloody nose didn't have nose bleeds but I had like as if before it dripped it just dried up I did have dry lips but it was bearable and like annoying things like for girls like fake tan doesn't go on the same because your skin's obviously just different

and everything's dry but I think you're right like I remember I was only on it for four months and it worked wonders but my dosage went up ever so slightly each time so not flinging you in at the deep end anymore which I think that's what I used to do yeah totally and I think that's it a lot of people will go on it once and they won't have to go on it again which is amazing so I think if you fall into that camp which is it's high I think it's about 60 to 70% of patients will use it once and they don't have to do it again so that's amazing if you can fix that and in

ongoing yeah right I'm gonna have to do this for four to six months and then after that I'm not gonna have to deal with these skin concerns anymore than I definitely think it's worth it I have went through periods of time since then I'm I've thought I would love to just go on that again like because I'm having like a bit of a breakout but I don't know it's just not easy enough to get yeah that's just decide I want to go on that again and I think I actually think it's a good thing it's not because it's something you have to, you know, have your blood stand, have liver function checked while you're on it and you need to kind of commit to being on it.

You need to sign forms to say if you get pregnant, you will have a termination, like you can't drink on it. There's loads of things to think about it. Yeah, it's like a deep drug. Totally. It's really, really strong. So I think it is good that it's something that's quite hard to get your hands on. And there are other things that we can use before that, like kind of do stepping stones.

There's a drug called Lyme Cycline, which we normally start with, and then we can increase as need be. Yeah. so what about for scarring then what sort of treatments would you recommend for that so when we think about scarring you have to think about damage for repair so we need to basically make your skin

register trauma in that area so it's going to make yourselves create lots of collagen and elastin and then we get that if we think of pitting and scarring we get that fresh skin coming higher and higher and higher so there's lots of different things we can do and again it'll depend on the severity of the scarring

so that can be just dermapen and peels that works really, really nicely and again with scarring sometimes we're only looking at discoloration so you have that hyperpigmentation like post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation after acne and it's like when you've got redness but not spot anymore it's just marks

but that can be just as annoying it still looks like a spot so with that if it's redness like mandelic acid's great for that that helps to reduce that really quickly same with dermapen that's going to cause a little bit of damage you get that real surge of collagen and lasting

and that skin helps to repair itself quite quickly and you would do a couple of sessions of that over a couple months if that's not going to be enough then we would look at doing morphosate we can do resurfacing with that and then also with Moxie I would tend to go for Moxie now I think that's faster at getting you

the result and you would do three sessions over three months and the results are really really good for that but anything has to be what we think of something that's going to cause damage to the skin which kind of panics people when they think just had all this acne and I've just kind of go to places where I don't have breakouts, but that's what we need to do to get an end result.

If we need something more extreme, so if someone has really, really bad scarring, then we would look at like a CO2 laser and an Arbium laser, which is going to completely resurface the skin. That's a lot more intense, a lot more downtime. You're thinking kind of three weeks of downtime and then pink for about nine months. So it's really severe and it's a big commitment to do that. But again, the results can be worth it. Yeah.

And it is the worst having the marks, because even after I came off racking, within, I feel like I woke up one day in the marks were gone as well with it, because it does, like, help that too. Yeah. But even now, like, I'm such a picker. I will pick and tell, honestly, my skin's literally gushing. Yeah. But I just can't help us it. Yeah. I know. Some people, honestly, we have patience in a lot and we're like chew back this and they're like, no. It's hard. I think it is really

difficult. And if you have a spot which has a head on it, or like a yellow head, it's difficult not to get rid of that and you can get rid of that safely. But if something doesn't have a head, don't squeeze it until, you know, your skin's bleeding. You're not getting anything out of it. I know, I know. It's just, you're just making it worse.

And in terms of that healing, it's about 10 times longer for that to heal. So it's not worth doing. I know it's really hard. I just physically can't stop my hand. I know you're like, just being up and like, it's actually horrible. Like, see if it's the deep ones that don't have a head,

but you can feel almost like, the ball in your skin. I can't help but like poker it and prod it and squeeze it and hope that something's disgusting. I know. And I would do it to anyone that asked me to as well. Oh, that would be my dream job if I could just like sit and squeeze things all day. I'd love it. I'm the same. Love it.

It's a hard. Try not to pick. I know it's hard, but try not to pick. Or go and see someone and they'll help. Extract for you. In a safe way. In a safe way. Yeah. Which I do not do. Wedding prep. Yeah. A lot of questions on that.

What's your kind of go-to? advise for someone so we yeah we do a huge amount of brides which is lovely and their treatment plans will range from skin treatments so we'll normally do a course of facials and then some brides will want to do injectables as well so when we're thinking about a wedding again it depends kind of the quality of your skin on the run-up to your wedding as to when we start so if we're thinking about something like scarring we want to see you sort of 12 months before so we've got loads of time to get on top of that if we're just thinking about

someone with good skin who wants to do some facials we can see you six to three months before and we can do some bit of the majority of our brides will do some Botox so some anti-wrinkle injections they'll do a course of facials so we normally do some hydrofacials we do a facial called the baby face which is amazing your skin is so

glowing and dewy and we try and do that one as close to the wedding date as possible your makeup will go on so nicely and your skin will look amazing so we'll kind of vary the facials depending on someone's skin concerns and how their skin is looking. So it depends on their goal and we'll make that custom to whatever they want to achieve. A lot of our patients will also do amelia or Profilo, so some skin boosters. A little bit of lip filler is also pretty popular for brides. We never have

brides that want to change a huge amount about their faces. Yeah. That we'll do loads of filler or anything like that before a wedding. Sometimes a few little tweaks, but it tends to be people just want to look their very, very best. Yeah. I would say come and see us with quite a good amount of time just so that we can get a good plan in place and then we can work through that on the run-up and we do loads of bridal packages which help people save a bit of money on the run yeah so do you think if you are getting married and you just don't know what you would need maybe getting in touch a year before so that you can either advise we should start now or come back in six months yeah absolutely we have loads of brides that are like I just want to do say three

facials on the run-up and I don't want to do a little bit of Botox but they're really organized and they'll come and see us a year before and I'll say just come back we'll book it in for six month's time and we'll see you then and you don't need to think about it and then some things we'll have people come in who have quite problematic skin and then I think great we've got 12 months to play with here so what we'll do is start to book in facials every month and really get on top

of their skin before their big day. That's quite a stress. I know and often it is as well on the run-up to wedding when your skin misbehaves the most because you're stressed. Yeah, you're a bit more stressed out but most of our brides yeah I mean they all look amazing on the day anyway and all brides doing. Yeah I had a panel talk

recently and they were asking like what do we do if we wake up and we've got a spot my thing would be don't squeeze it because your makeup artist will work wonders on it anyway so just leave it and it's much much easier to cover a bump than to cover a scab so yeah just leave it alone and your makeup artist will sort it that would be tragic who it was me because I'd be like I know and then it almost swells your face because you've been prodding it and it does look worse yeah poking and prodding it I'll never learn the best thing is leave it alone. Never learn. What about treatments for pregnant women? Is there still things they can do, treatments they can get? Yeah, to an extent. So you can't do any injectables

when you're pregnant or when you're breastfeeding and you can't do any of the stronger lasers. But what you can do is really, really lovely facials, which will still be effective and really, really work on your skin quality. So one of the new brands that we have is Biologic Research and we are the first people in Scotland to have that. It is amazing. Amazing, it is so, so good. So we do incredible facials with them and they are pregnancy safe. We also do a facial, which is the intertriticals oxygen facial. And that uses hyperbaric oxygen therapy to push the products deeper into your skin.

So really hydrating, really nourishing. Both of them are pregnancy and breastfeeding safe and are really nice treatments to have. They're super relaxing, really nice gifts to give as well, if someone's expecting. Yeah, it is a nice gift. It's quite hard to buy for, like, the mama. Yeah, we've got lots of people that will do that are like, maybe it's like second baby or third baby. Like we've already given her other stuff

when it was our first kid so we want to give her like a treat for her. So yeah, that's really nice. And after when you're a new mum, when can you start introducing injectables and different treatments again? Is there a certain amount of time you should wait? So I always think give yourself a bit of time like anyone who's had kids will know that feeling of post baby

you do not feel like yourself at all. So I think it's actually not the best time to go and change something or get something done. give yourself a couple of weeks, a couple of months before you're making those appointments. When I went out in London, there's a hospital, a private hostel, the patient around was having a baby and she was like, could you just come after I give birth to the hostels to do my both? I'm like, no, you can't do that. Give yourself that time. Technically, you can have injectables as long as you're not breastfeeding

any time after having a baby. But I'd say just give yourself some time, let everything settle, you've got so much fluid retention, your hormones are all over the place. change anything about yourself, just give yourself a bit of time. Waits you kind of feel like you're a wee bit closer to the weight you want to be at as well. Like if you're doing fillers and you're not quite at, the weight you're at or the weight you want to be at, it can make you feel worse and it makes things feel a little bit off balance. So I always think give it some time, but technically you could do it any time after having a baby, but a couple of months, I'd say.

Yeah. Now that makes sense. What about backney? Yep. back knee is acne on your back and um is you know some people can be really prone to it if you do loads of exercise lots of sweating and things if you're a fictan you can find you get more breakouts on the body so back and chest tend to be the places that um they occur the most there's no reason why you can't use your skin care on your body as well so yeah use like the zeo exfoliating wash that's great for back and chest you can use that we also do a clarifying back treatment which is with hydrophacial and they have a big body tip it's amazing and that works really really well you can do it on the arms as well and I'm it's amazing so that's a nice thing to do we have quite a lot of guys who get that done and the difference is huge so loads of people still

suffer with acne that I know as well it just it's hard to get rid of totally so and it tends to be quite big sore spots yeah so you know you can use products on those areas and again you could go on medication if need be and it'll work the same way as we're treating acne on the face I think you just wouldn't think or I could get back to you unless it's on your face But I actually do know a few people that have had it because of acne as well. Yeah, absolutely. We've had lots of patients that have are really severe acne on their chest.

Yeah. And it does get on top of it. The chest is sore as well. You know, when you get a brandy spot on your chest is quite thin there. Yeah, it's not where you want it. I just think it's weird you wouldn't wake up with them on your leg. I know. I know maybe some people do get the odd thing, but you wouldn't get acne.

It tends to be more of like an ingrown hair or something that causes the spot there. But I know I always think that like, why can't this be somewhere hidden, that no one, like on my knee that no one's going to be. going to see you. Yeah. Just acne on your one year. Yeah, I'm like, I'm fine. I can cope with that. Right, Zoe, I've got a scenario for you. You're in a car crash. It's not your fault. Your car is in bits and you're majorly stressed out. What are you going to do? Probably phone you. Great. Well, maybe don't do that, but the correct answer is to call our friends at Waterman's, obviously. What, so they can sort my car and everything? Yep. You don't even have to phone your

insurance company, Watermans will sort it all for you. What if I have to miss work and can't earn my money? Well, they'll get you that money back too. Sorted. Okay, I feel less embarrassed about being re-rended now. Someone actually asked, and it's quite an interesting question because I did see it on Olivia Atwood's program. Yeah.

And it's like vaginal, vaginal? Vaginal rejuvenation, yeah. Treatments. Do you do that? Yeah, we do. Do you get a lot of people in for that? Yeah, quite a lot. actually and a lot of it tends to be

I'd say there's like a couple of categories people post baby then we get quite a lot of people that do a lot of exercise a lot of runners and then we have people that just want to make things feel nicer down there exactly which is great so we do a treatment which is called FormaV

and so Forma's radio frequency and you also have Forma which is just for the face and Forma body which is for the body so radio frequency is going to help to promote collagen induction it's going to help to tighten up the skin and it's doing exactly the same internally so it's a little wand that we insert into the vagina and you move in like a half moon motion and yeah that's what's on that program yeah yeah it's

so good like the results are amazing and see women who have a weak pelvic floor especially after having kids like that it makes such a difference by the way i'm not going to book i'm not going to book in me tomorrow for this right but i have really bad bladder issues i wonder if i need that yeah like it helps so much because it's just it's tightening everything up and stimulating that area in exact same way so it's it's great we've had such good feedback from it and you know people sometimes are like oh my goodness you do my bo-tops I can't can't let you do that I'm like I'm a nurse I used to spend I used to see naked people all day every day like you really don't care like I know you just don't

look it the way you think you do I really can't tell you how little we care so do you know all of the everyone who does the treatment is medical and they all are like we are we are not bothered and yeah what we tend to do is We'll do the treatment for a half an hour. We like put on a podcast, chat way. And once it's inserted, you have a towel over you. Do you know it's not like you're lying like legs of Kimbo? So it's not anything to be like embarrassed about coming in for a hot, totally.

And it's not sore to have in terms of feedback. Everyone says it just feels warm weirdly. But not painful at all. So really comfortable to have. You have three sessions. And then what we tend to do is bring you back every year just for a maintenance session. But people that run, like we have some people. that run marathons and ultramarathans

that really changed my life like I don't have to wear a pad when I run anymore or I'm not sneezing and wetting myself I can go on a trampoline with my kids like all of these things so I think it is something that's really impactful oh to be a woman I know all the fun things that we get

right next up skin care yep people need to know a bit more about the skin barrier yeah I agree what it is how to improve how to know when it's damaged, things like that. Sure. So your skin barrier is the outer layer of your skin.

It's called your stratum corneum. And when that, so it's made up of cells and fat is the best way to think of it. And what its job is to do is to keep all the hydration in your skin, to keep all those nutrients in your skin. And basically to keep your skin safe, that's the skin's job. It's the most outer layer of the body. So its whole job is protection. And when that's damaged, it can be damaged, lots of damage.

different ways through over-exfolation, use of the wrong product, sun damage, stress, it can be damaged due to medications that you're on in the skin, loads of different things. Things like Racketine as well, that's going to decrease the skin barrier's effectiveness because it is such a drying product. So lots of different things that can damage it. Most people notice it's damaged when they start to use a product and they're like, oh, that's stingy when I put that on. So that's normally what we hear people say that something was getting put on my skin and it felt stinging, so you know that something is compromised there. In terms of strengthening the skin barrier,

there's lots of different things you can do, but I always think treatments that are going to, like, dermapen, moxie, all of these things that cause it a damage to repair in the long run, that's improving your skin barrier, making it thicker and collagen, more elastin, and it's going to make it tougher. So something like that works really, really well. If we're doing treatments at regular intervals,

your skin care is obviously paramount, So make sure you're using lots of hydrating products, really nourishing products. You want products that are full of like fatty acids and seramides. That's going to help to strengthen it. Things that can be a bit of a grey area, I think, with the skin barrier or retinoids. So people are like, you're telling me to use a retinal and that my skin's going to get better with a retinal. But it's sore. It hurts when I put my moisturiser on it.

And I don't feel I'm quite getting there, which is a tricky kind of point. And retinal does make your skin. stronger and it does help with collagen production and it does make it healthier but it's a real journey to get there so you need to start really really minimal and build that up and as soon as you start to feel your skin's getting a bit compromised you pull back on usage and then we gradually increase again so it is something that takes a bit of time but I think retinal is something that people often get really confused about or they'll use loads of it and they don't really understand the process of it so something really educating your patients and letting them know how small to start

that dosage and then to build it up so yeah your skin barrier is super important if it's damaged you're going to be like that barrier is helping against aging so you're going to be prone to more aging if that is damaged and it's not getting repaired so stress is another thing that really affects it so make sure you're working on like dehydration good skin care good treatments and after that then I'd say your retinal one just be careful as to when when you're using them and when you increase it. Okay, got it. Product-wise,

how, what would your advice be to people who don't really know what products to use? And if they've maybe bought a cleanser, a moisturiser, a toner, a serum, how to know what order to use them in? So I always think, like, a good rule of thumb is start with your thinnest product first and then work your way up.

So do your cleanse, always do a double cleanse, and then start with your thinnest product and then work up to your thickest. So you normally want to start with the serum first and then put on your moisturiser and then put on, if it's the morning, put on your SPF and then put on your makeup. If it's evening, you want to start with your serum

or you want to put your retinal first. So again, retinal always changes everything. But you want to cleanse, put your retinal on first and you want to wait about 20 minutes before you put anything else on. So don't leave or straight away. Give that a chance to really work. So I actually tend to do it when my kids are in the bath,

wash my face, put my retinal on. and then when I go to bed, I'll put on my moisturiser. So with that, you want to start small in terms of thinnest product, and then it tends to be your little amounts that you'll use, and then increase up to a thicker product, so your night cream or your moisturiser, and then your eye cream on top. Makes sense. Yeah.

It's a lot to remember. I know, it is. But I also think, like, I don't really, I'm not a huge fan of, like, an eight-step skincare routine. I think, like, you don't really know what is working and what is not working. and then if you're doing that. So I think keeping it concise with high quality ingredients actually works much better.

Better, yeah. You'll get a much better outcome. That's what a few other people asked as well. Like what would be your non-negotiables for a quick and simple routine? You know, people with kids or a really busy schedule don't have as much time to have that sort of like self-care hour at night. Yeah, so I would say like you want to have a cleanser. You want to have, you honestly, you could do cleanser.

moisturise SPF, that's your most important bits. Normally what we are trying to put in there as well as like a treatment product, so something that's going to work on a concern, whether that be like an anti-aging product or a brightening product, there's normally something that we're going to be slotting in there that's going to work on an issue that you have with your skin. I tend to do in the morning, so I would do a cleanser, then I would do my vitamin C, then I would do a moisturiser,

then I do my SPF. And I think, great, that takes me two minutes to do. we also get lots of questions all the time in clinic like oh can I not use my cleanser in the shower the reason that people are told not to clean in the showers people tend to have really hot showers just turn your shower down a little bit

and cleanse and you're not using boiling hot water on your face okay so you absolutely can do that to save about time yeah that's fine to do see just as long as your shower is not it's just laziness of me really really hot then then find but people ask me that all the time

so yeah you can absolutely do that to save a bit of time in terms of people often ask like where do I invest and where do I I save, I would say, again, it kind of depends what your skin concerns are. If we're looking at acne, then I would say invest in a really good cleanser. And then we're going to invest in a good treatment product, but save on your moisturiser. It doesn't need to be anything fancy.

It just needs to be a hydrating one. Yeah. Cetoplast bams are really a popular one. And also the then hydrator, they're both great and they're really minimal in terms of what they've got in them. Something like that is perfect. But if we're looking at like anti-aging or. say pigmentation you'll invest more in those products and then you can kind of sandwich in with them with things that a little bit more reasonable makes sense

I love that La Roche Posey one it's great yeah I can't say the word that you just said that what it actually is but I love it so you put a sack layer on before bed feels great yeah it is yeah everybody loves it's good retinal I know we've touched on it slightly but when to know if you should be using that or should Would everyone be using it to an extent? Again, I think it kind of ties in with that, like, when you're seeing the first signs of ageing and when to introduce it. So, again, remember thinking later 20s, early 30s, unless retinol can be used as an acne

treatment, so you could use it if you were having breakouts, and it works really, really well. But with a retinal, the key is small introduction, so using small amounts once to twice a week and then just gradually increasing that. And ideally, we get to nightly use. some people don't get to nightly leaks and some people do just find it too much for their skin if their skin is compromised and they have a damaged barrier already it's a harder thing to get to get used to it and for your skin to really tolerate so some people don't love that and that's

absolutely fine there's other products that you can use or you can invest more on the treatment side of things rather than products so I don't think everyone has to use a retinal I think most people who use it correctly end up loving it and really notice the difference in terms of their skin quality with anti-aging retinin spf are the only two products that are clinically proven to be anti-aging so they're reversing the signs of aging whereas other things can be clinically proven to stimulate collagen or do other things but these are the only two products that are actually really helping with signs of aging so they're good things to be using good things to have on your radar but not something that is always essential for everyone okay makes sense and

pigmentation, sun damage, does retinol help with that too? Or is there other things that we can be looking at for that? Yeah, there are. So you want products that have like a tyrannase inhibitor, it's called it's something that's going to help to reduce pigmentation or reverse the signs of pigmentation. Vitamin C is a great one to use. That'll really help and it's tolerated really well by most people.

Retinoles will work. There's the Zio skin brightening retinoles. Amazing. That works so, so well. I'll find you before and after I used it. I had such bad pigmentation after my little girl and the result was amazing. It made such a difference. So there's lots of different things that you can use.

It doesn't have to be something that's just going to be a retinal. You can use something a lot more gentle and you'll still definitely get a difference. But people come in all the time and we'll give them a skincare routine, which will focus on a little bit of a more gentle approach if they don't feel okay with a retinal. So I think a lot of messaging around SPF is obviously, don't let your skin get sun damage because it's like irreversible but it's not completely irreversible isn't it not so the bit that's irreversible is so with with sun damage the risk of that developing into something cancerous down the

life so 30 years time there's no way that we can change what's happened in the skin but in terms of how it looks and the visually yeah the visual bits that we see and the pigmentation, then that is absolutely reversible. So we can do lots of different treatments that can completely get rid of that. You can completely change someone's skin. That's the easy bit to do, but you can't change the long-term damage that it's done internally. But we could with product and with treatment, absolutely get rid of it. Love that.

Because it is annoying. I feel like I get that sort of like dark moustache now. But I cake myself and SPF and also wear a hat. It could be melasma though. So that's like hormonal pigmentation. So that's different. Just neverends in. I know.

So if you're feeling you're getting pigmentation, that's like what we'd call like butterfly effect. So it mirrors on either side. There's a high chance that's melasma. That's pigmentation caused by a hormonal change. Right. With melasma. So BBL is actually one of the only FDA-approved machines to target that

and it works really, really well. Malasma can be managed. But there's no way to get rid of that totally because it could just come back with a hormonal change. But you can use machines like BBL to get rid of it. Okay, that makes sense. Let's just say that's what it is. It probably is.

If it's here, it seems to be here under the eye or here like at the top of the front. Yeah. And it's just annoying. I feel like then when you get your makeup and stuff on, it's really obvious. You do look really dark. Yeah. When using new products and trying to work out if they're working for you, if they agree with your skin, I see quite a lot of you need to give it a month or give it time obviously.

time obviously like to work is that true yeah so I mean if you start using something and you can tell immediately that it's not agreeing with your skin over the next couple of days that is fair enough to stop it but if we think of a skin cycle that's normally about 28 days or a month so I would normally say give it four to six weeks to make sure that you know if it's working or if it's not some can take even longer you know it can be a little bit more of a process but by a month you should be able to see a positive difference in your skin and because you're going to start getting that new skin come to the surface. Okay. Because if I use a new serum or

you're like something like that and then I get a couple of random spots I'm like, is it that serum? Should I stop? But I just don't know what to do. I know. It is hard and I think especially people's problematic skin they're so worried to try anything. Yeah, in case it breaks it out. It's not working for me

but you can also get products that make your skin purge a little bit to begin with. So it's hard to know and hard to find the balance. Anything that, I think people know themselves, anything that feels too much or a huge change and not on the right direction then stop but it should take about a month normally for you to start yeah I think it's more if it's like stinging or stinging eyes you think totally right that's you know yourself if this is not not working yeah totally okay fab right so

products yeah specific products could be here all day I know I've got a long list what would you recommend for the kind of colder months winter months people feel their skin gets drier, they want extra hydration. What's your key products for that? Okay, so I've got a budget and then a splurge. So budget would be C2plasbam. I think that's great for locking in moisture, making everything

feel hydrated and plump, but it's not going to break the bank. My absolute ultimate best moisturiser is the skin citicals triple lipid. It's so, so good. It's full of fatty acids. Really, really hydrating. Honestly, makes such a difference to patients with dry

skin. I would say, if you're looking for something that is a bit more of an investment but something that's going to really make a big difference that would be what to go for. Lovely, I love this, like, comparison here. Because I do think you get to maybe an age and a point where you're like, right, it's worth spending

money, but then other times you're like totally. I think like dryness is your biggest concern. Yeah. That's something you're going to spend a little bit more on or if you're a little bit older, perfect. But if you are younger and you think, oh, I just need a good moisturiser but I don't have particularly

dry skin or I'm maybe more of an oily skin you don't need to spend a fortune your skin is doing a lot of that work anyway for you so you can buy something a little bit cheaper and spend on other areas if you perfect and what would you say as a good entry point for retinels and vitamin C's that they're kind of

stronger what brands could we be looking at for that? So there's lots that I really really like vitamin C this would be one I would say it's worth investing in so the skin suticals, again, their vitamin C is called C.E. Fruelic, it's the

best one that you can get. I've tried that and loved it. It's so good. It is more expensive, but it is unreal and the results are worth the price point, I would say, so I would say invest in that one. In terms of a retinal, skin sotocles actually do a more affordable retinal, which is lower percentage. The one

that I use is the Zio-Rinkle and texture repair, and it's unbelievable, but it is a little bit more expensive. I think it's about 110 pounds, but it lasts so well, I think it lasts about a year or so because you're using such a small amount. So cost per use, it's actually not too crazy. So they're sort of your ones when we're thinking of treatment products that are worth spending

a little bit more on. You can get cheaper retinoles, but then the ingredients start to change a little bit and is it really retinal that you're using or another form of retinol and what percentage you're looking at. So I would tend to start spending a wee bit more on those types of products and then saving onto my cleanser and my moisture. and like sandwich them in. Because like the ordinary and inky list

and those sort of cheaper brands do do retinoles and things and you just don't know. I know. A lot of them is like the percentage of the actual product or they're using like a derivative and you're like oh that's not actually the right thing that I should be putting on my skin.

Yeah. And I think sometimes with the ordinary not so much now I feel it's calmed down a little bit but we used to get a lot of patients that would have problems because they would just kind of buy everything and put it all on and end up burning their skin.

skin. Yeah. I think if you're using some of their products, that's fine. Like their glycolic toner is great. They're at H.A. It's good. Like all of those little ones are absolutely fine sanguaging, but I think if you're going to use something that's really results driven, maybe so...

Invest. Yeah. Makes sense. Must have products for pregnant women. So... A lot of them obviously need to give up things. I know you have to give up. I know you have to give up some bits.

So I would say you want... want something that's because pigmentation can be such a problem during pregnancy, but you can't use things like retinal or stronger products, a good vitamin C, so you can invest in that, and then a nice moisturiser. You can, people when they're pregnant, are often told I can't use any acids or I can't use anything at all. Lots of people suffer from breakouts, especially in the first three months of pregnancy. Yeah. You can use acids. You just need to be specific in what you're using, but like a glycolic acid is absolutely fine to use. Okay. and can really help just to like calm a breakout down a little bit.

But I think you want to be working on something that's going to brighten your skin, help to suppress pigmentation. So really good quality vitamin C, nice cleanser and a nice calming moisturiser as well. You don't want to do anything too extreme or too different with your skin. You want to keep it pretty simple, I'd say. Yeah. A few of people asking for cheaper alternatives to like zoe skin. What other brands could we be looking at that are maybe a bit more affordable?

So one of our reasons for getting biologic research is so that it's a Parisian brand and they're incredible. Haley Bieber's always banging on about them. And they are... Fine, we'll get it. I know. I'm like, fine. Okay. If I'm going to look like her, I'll do it.

And it is great. And some of their products are more expensive and some of them are more reasonable. So they have a lot of kind of in-between products which I think are great that aren't as dear. I think I actually tend to go a little bit more old school and I go for La Roche Posse and then I think both of them are excellent brands to use La Roche Pose has so much research behind it

really, really good products and they do really, really nice cleansers and they cater for all skin types as well so I would actually go for La Roche Posse or Avain in terms of a cheaper price point. Things like the Ordinary and Bioma and things I think they're all good but I don't, I probably haven't used

them enough to say this is exactly what I would go for whereas I feel really confident with La Roche-Pose and with them Avain as well their products are great they're really safe they're effective and there's still a huge amount of data behind them yeah I just think La Roche-Pose have got product after product these days I know the range is massive it's huge it is huge and it's kind of maybe a bit of one to kind of get your head round but they have some amazing key products and if you look into the company and into the research that's done behind each product they It is a really, really impressive amount of research that they're doing.

So I think that's something that's really important when you're looking at products and thinking, is that just sort of a trend or something just sort of pops up and appears on Instagram? You want to make sure it's something that's actually sort of clinically backed. Yeah, because TikTok could just dive you down the complete wrong path. Totally. And some people will show me some of the things that they've got or where they saw it. I know. Just don't listen to TikTok when it comes to skin and health.

Yeah, uh-huh, exactly, I know, that's it. They're not qualified. No, they're not qualified. And I had some of this stuff that people will tell me. I'm like, no, you show me the video. That can't be right. I'm like, oh, no, they did say that. But the other problem is people just believe it.

Totally. People coming into you and saying that. My question would be, why are you believing that? I know, I'm like, that's not the case. But I think, like, go for something that has been around for a while. You know, it's got a lot of research behind it. And brands that you know and you've heard of is normally a good sign. I'm random product from Instagram if you know if lots of people aren't using it that you know and in your age group that is probably a sign that's maybe not the best thing to say yeah product recommendations for like acne eczema dermatitis is there any specific ones for any of those concerns that product wise you do see results from I think they're all especially like eczema and dermatitis they're tricky because they're right

or something that can be so reactive. So you have to be really, really careful what you're putting on them. With them, like perioral dermatitis, there's a huge rise in that over the last few years. And a lot of the time it does need medication. You can control it with products, but you want to use nothing active on it. So really kind, really gentle products. A lot of people use, like, an antimicrobial spray on it, which does work well. With eczema, again, you want to be using such gentle, really natural products.

you don't want anything too harsh on it. With acne, not that you won't, with acne, big things, I'd say avoid alcohol-based products completely. And then use things that are going to target the acne. So if we think of what is it in acne,

it's pea bacteria that we want to target, you need to use like a salicylic acid to get on top of that. Ones that I do really, really rate is a lot of the Zio range, I think is amazing for acne. Again, if you want a bit of a cheaper price point you can look at things like

Avain, they have a really good range and it will help to get on top of the breakout. It's going to take a wee bit longer, but you will get there or invest in like two products from Zeo and get the rest from Aven or from another brand and that'll work

really well. We actually use a lot of the biologic reshares for patients with eczema because it is so natural and that works really, really nicely, but it's I think with dermatitis a lot of the time we'll need to be using a medication to manage that alongside

a really gentle product routine so it can be a little bit tricky to find what's working for you but my main thing would be strip it all back and keep it super simple because I've always found as someone who has had acne but also still gets like the odd spot here in there

I just always want to reach for like a anti-blemish gel that you just put on like your spot yeah but shank any of them work it depends what's in them so like if you're thinking of like benzoproxide like that's going to work for spots and killing the bacteria in a spot so you can get really targeted treatments that do that do help like murad do one a spot control jail which I actually do think is good as well but was the one I used that I actually found really good the malin and goats yeah yeah little you go through the oil into yeah and yeah exactly

and then you put it on with a little cotton bud. And it did kind of, if you catch it early enough, stops it from coming. But I think the thing that I find with spots is, it's an internal thing. So it's like even all these things, they might help dry it out quicker or whatever, but it's the root of the problem.

You need to get under control. A lot of it is systemic, so it's something inside the body that is causing those breakouts. But what you could do is like, nicinamide's great for bringing down the inflammation and the redness, so you could use something

like that to improve the appearance of the breakout but sometimes it can be do know it's coming whether or not you like it or not sort of thing so it's same it can it can be really difficult to get on top of it but I think if you're thinking of like key ingredients not so much brands you're looking for glycolic acid salicylic acid nicinamide they're all going to help to get on top of the breakouts and to calm them down a little bit but a lot of the time we need to look at systemically what is causing it yeah okay cool and what about the hype around all these gadgets, like LED masks, the new, new face, kind of tightening tool.

What's your thoughts on them? So I think an LED mask is great. It's good for anti-aging. It's good for calming inflammation in the skin. I think, annoyingly, it does kind of, there is a bit of a link between how much you're spending and how effective they are. I mean, the ones that we have in clinic are thousands and thousands of pounds. and they do work really well,

and then you think, how can something that's a fraction of the price be giving the same as at home? But I think they are worth using, I like the current body one, I like the Dennis Gross one, and I like the MZ skin one. They're all really good,

and I'd say worth investing in. Some of the cheaper ones, I just don't know how much of a result you're getting into them. So I think it varies. I think it also varies in terms of commitment from the patient. People that use them religiously every night

and notice a big difference. The lima laser as well, we have that and that is really, really good. The price point though I think is about £2,000 or two and a half grand, maybe, I can't remember, but that works amazingly. We have some patients that have bought it and committed to using it every night and it makes a huge difference to my skin. So I do think they are good, but again, sometimes I think it just depends where you want to put your spend. Do you want to invest in that or do a few more treatments in clinic? and do you know, work on the same outcomes.

But I do think they are good. I don't think they're a gimmick. I do think some things can be a little bit gimmicky. And again, I'm absolutely influenced by what I see on Instagram. I think, I want that. And then I'm like, why have I bought this? But the new face, again, so that's going to be like stimulation for tightening. That's good.

Again, though, you do have to use it continuously to see results. We do have patients that really commit to it and use it. and they notice a big difference. Other patients, if you're not using it religiously, they're like, I don't really see the effect. So it's something you have to be consistent with for sure. But these things do work, but if you can't, if you know you're not going to do it every single night,

I would say don't invest in it. Yeah, I just don't, I'm just never jumping into bed and thinking, can I let me get my mask out? Like, I'm getting cozy and comfy. I know it's 15 minutes or 10 minutes, whatever it is. It's uncomfortable. I know. I don't know my eyes with my phone, so it's uncomfortable.

I know. I always think of Sophie Habeau like any time you see any video. I was just thinking about her. I'm like, wow, she's so committed. She's always got a device. She's always got a device. I was just like a mask on her like. Always, Jamie Lang like post the video of watching something on TV.

Did you see that and she's like... And she's just always sitting with that device. Oh that's why you look like that. Over a mask, like hair mask and you can tell like the full showangles going on. No wonder she looks that good. I know exactly. She is committed. Totally. A few to finish just quite.

questions about your products, like what you love, what you use. Yeah. So, what's your must have product, one product that you use that you think everyone should be using? Oh. I'm like, I'm like, oh, I would say, do you know, I'm going to go to the skin, so it goes vitamin C, I think that using that is one of the biggest differences I've ever seen in my skin. Okay, I need to get back on that. So I'd enjoy at the time, actually.

Yeah. And three products that if you were on a desert island you would take. I would take, okay, so I mean I'm very ginger and wouldn't be good in the sun, so I'm going to take a good cleanser. So I'll take the Zio cleanser for sure. And then, so that's an exfoliating cleanser I would pick. Love that. It's so good, isn't it? Then I would take the skin suitable.

vitamin C and I would take the heliol care tinted SPF 50. That's a good combination. My bonus one if I could be Biologic Research P50 because it's so good. If you could sneak it in the pocket. I could just put up my sock and go. That one's really good too. I think it's funny to ask these questions when if you were on a desert island like there's a lot more important things. I know, I know.

I might be like, oh, I don't know. Is there? I know, probably not. As long as we're protected, it's fine. Exactly. We find someone will rescue me. Be starving, but our skin's... Exactly. I've been really skinny and I'd be... I've been my face to be looking good.

Well, thank you so much for coming on. Thanks for having me. It was being so nice. I've loved it. Loved it. It's been so fun. Round two. We need to get back for around three next season. Absolutely. Sign me up. Well, thanks. And good luck with all your new treatments, your new openings. Thanks so much.

Hopefully, loads of our listeners will get in. I've got a discount for them. Have it? Yeah, if they put in... their booking reference a lot on your plate, then they get 15% off their first facial. What's that

for them? I know they can all book that. Amazing, thank you. Not at all. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much for watching, listening as always. And please remember to check out Fiona's page on Instagram at the Setics Club. And if you've not had to face you with her yet,

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