A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 108: Rebel Assault, Jedi Night, DUME, and Wolves and a Door (Rebels 68 - 71)

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Since the middle of season 3, the crew of the Ghost--none more than Ezra Bridger--has been begging Rebel Alliance command to send a unit to liberate his home world of Lothal. Finally, with a little help from an old underworld friend (not that one) they're doing it. But instead of knocking down the Empire... they end up knocking on a mysterious door. Next Time: The rest of Rebels! 73 & 74 (A Fools Hope and Family Reunion -- and Farewell) Support the show by going to Patreon.com/civilized! Show Notes Balalyka's Letterboxed List of AMCA Movie References Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Chia Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakeney, joined by Aliaqampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are, as always, supported by you, our listeners, via patreon.com slash civilized. So out over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all our Q&A episodes and various special editions. So, before we get into today's episodes of Rebels, a new and or trailer dropped. I'm not watching it. I'm saving myself for Tony. Do we like that?

I do. I do. I think there's like a certain degree that it's like it's too much information. That's right. not too many trailers leave some leave something to be desired leave something to be discovered you know like it's it's too there's been like eight trailers there haven't been there's been three there's been three i think yeah three in a teaser maybe i don't know something like that but eventually let the work speak for itself that's right you know um so we're in that i'm i'm ready to

to lock myself away. I saw that that Twitter account, like Andor updates or something like that, was posting, like, photos from, like, released media, media kit photos or something. And I was, like, closing my eyes. I was scrolling with my eyes closed because I don't want to see anything anymore.

Yeah. No more. That's how I am whenever I'm on Twitter anymore. Then I close my eyes when I scroll. True. Just reduce the amount of it that I see, you know? Yeah. What are we feeling about these leaked images from a Star Wars tactics game?

Yeah. Okay, I have not seen this lead. Are you intrigued by those? Do you want to talk about those? Are you also saving yourself? So you're sending a purity ring to Tony Gilroy. That's right. And then you're doing a like Austin, an Austin Greg dance with Greg Furch over a bit reactor.

That's what I'm doing. Just to show that you've also, you're going to remain pure for Greg as well. No, I'm not doing that. I'm taking all of the tactics info. I can. So, yeah, people who didn't see this. Natalie, you just said you hadn't seen this. This just happened.

This happened seemingly moments before we went to, not live, but before we started recording this. Is this a leak? This is a leak, which is to say, who knows if any of it's real. The official announcement is later in April and storing Star Wars Celebration. These seem to have been leaked reportedly. from MPfirst.com. Never heard of this website. The claim is that they are from an artist's portfolio.

A little background on that is in the games industry. Artists will often have their public portfolio with a lot of public work, already published work, personal work, client work that's already out there, et cetera. And then they'll often, whether they're allowed to or not in terms of having NDA signed, have a behind a password-style portfolio that they then, or sometimes they'll directly send materials to a potential employer to show work that is currently covered by NDA,

that's either work on a game that isn't published yet, work done for a game that was canceled and that stuff is still NDA'd by the company, so they'll never get to show it, for instance, when Possibility Space got shut down, one of the things we did immediately manage to negotiate for, we didn't get severance, but we did get the ability to retain some work to show to future potential employers. So, like, artists from the possibility space game that I almost just said the name of that got canceled can show that. This is a case where my guess is.

It's an artist who's maybe either no longer with the company or who is looking to go to a new gig, had this stuff in one of those portfolios, probably did not necessarily have permission, or someone breached their website, you know, cracked the password protection, and saw this stuff. It's a handful of screenshots. There's nothing here that you probably couldn't guess at, but what is here is, and also take it with a grain of salt, this stuff could be from four years ago during the concepting stage. There's nothing here that says like, and this was today, you know what I mean? We made this yesterday.

All of this could be different now. But what we're looking at from BitReactor, which is, Rob, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it's led by some former XCOM devs. is a tactical shooter or based around, or a tactical shooter, a tactical game with the sort of hit chance style combat and cover mechanics and overwatch mechanics that we are familiar with from XCOM and similar tactics games. Who knows if any of those mechanics are in the game as is? Stuff that I suspect is probably accurate here. They're stormtroopers here.

We got two Mandalorians squaring on. off against a group of stormtroopers in one of these screenshots, uh, it says support Bo Catan, like a support class of Boatan, whether that means it's actually Boca Tan or if that's a placeholder name, is it a hero unit or is it a, yeah, I think that that's like support like the X-Conk class support. Oh, comma, Boca-Tan. No, the mission objective is rescue the prisoner. That's wrong thing about every day.

How do I support Bocahattan? He needs it. Brook Catan needs it. The mission objective is rescue the prisoner in 10 turns. or less, or 10 or less turns, something you can probably see me and Rob try to do during our XCOM 2 play through at least eight times as we got various members

of our crew kidnapped and put in prison. I think you will only recover it, like, one of them. I think that's probably right. There's like a headquarters mock-up screen with a bunch of different interactable things, like an armory and a hollow table, which is the shit I really want. Like bring back the vibe of old LucasArts,

like X-Wing games, or even Rebellion had this too where it's like the main menu interface main menu interface is boring. Don't care about those. If you can turn the main menu into like a physical space that you're in like, ooh, what's behind those blast doors?

It's your option screen. Ooh, what's over there if I walk up to that observation deck? That's the strategy map. That's what we need. The thing that I'm actually excited about here is setting, which is if this is a, rebellion era game and like some of these options on that headquarters screen are things like special ops and black market and this is a game about like doing rebel sell shit um there a hundred

i mean i'm there no matter what this is what our job is i like star wars right um but i could have imagined a take that was uh wildly divergent in a way where like it's just not the top one that i want to play the thing of like doing needing to go to the black market to get weapons for my rebels is, that's it, that's the stuff. So I'm very excited. We'll see. Code name Star Wars Bruno. That's cool. I just don't like these screenshots. I just don't know how far along, how reflective these are going to be of what they're making. That is the one thing is in some parts of this are like, yeah, no, that seems like it might be a pretty decent, like there's a cohesive direction that you can sort of glean from this. This doesn't look like pure concept. But at the

same time it still it still looks like it could easily be like yeah just mockups of like these like these mechanics could work this way here's how it be presented uh which is stuff that can happen fairly early in the process and then you depart from that pretty

wildly totally I will say some stuff here that feels like um particularly divergent from XCOM um and is actually maybe even more like some other tactics games that we've seen there's no tiles here right and in fact there's a thing that looks like a droid that is being sent out to move

and there's a line drawn from the Mandalorian out to the droid. One, it reminds me of the movement droid from the Mario and Rabbins games. I don't know if any of y'all played those, but you have a little, you got a little robot, you got a little Roomba that moves around and that is like your mouse cursor in those games. It kind of looks like that, which is very funny. But it's also drawing a non-straight line. That line is curvy and feels like it's, it feels more like Midnight Suns, where Midnight Suns, the Marvel game that Foraxis made, was not a tile-based game. It was like this kind of free movement stuff.

It was like a really, really clever design that had much more to do with positioning and momentum. Momentum, yeah. Then it did, then it had to do with tile placement and cover and stuff like that. And you could imagine some Star Wars characters working that way. You know what I mean? Jedi are not cover-based creatures, you know, as we've seen. Imagining a Jedi, like, going bro. Stop and pop behind the crate.

The two, let you, left trigger, right trigger. That's how Jedi work. The Overwatch view also reminds me like gears tactics had some of that style of, like, big Overwatch windows or, like, view cones instead of the more traditional, just, like, overwork. I mean, I guess that also, X-Com also had that, but it was so different in gears because it was like setting up a continuous fire zone. And for whatever reason, this feels a little more like that to me. But we'll see. Yeah.

Throw thermal detonator hit chance 95%. I would want 100% to throw a thermal detonator. But give me some time. I promise we'll fuck it up. I feel like I really need to know what happens with a thermal detonator on that 5% chance. That's a great question. Like, is that, because I feel like if I just get close, it's still going to hit.

That 5% is like, uh-oh. I drop it at my feet? Or is it? Or is it? I throw it a little far. I'm so ready for this, though. I want to play this. I'm excited.

What if you throw it a little far and there's like a guy behind him and it like does some splash damage on like other guys? That's the dream. That's what you want. That's where you should be putting that thermal detonator to begin with.

And then you'd have like stuff like civilian deaths where it's like when mothma disapproves. This, oh, God. Saul, agree. The version of this where you're, you need to balance out your, like, inter-rebellion faction alignment and you get different upgrade trees and stuff based on, are you keeping Mon Mothma happy or Luthan happy or Saul happy? And you can, like, oh, if you get the partisans happy and Saul likes you, you can, like,

call in his X-Wings to, like, do a whatever run. But if you get Mon Mothma happy with you, then, like, you get more better rocket launchers because she's, like, tight with the black market or something. That'd be great. Make this game. are they doing it do we know what time period

I mean this suggests it's rebel period because it's stormtroopers right so if there's stormtroopers we know it's at the very least post empire it's post Revenge of the Sith right who's this is that

I want to know who that droid is here's the thing though those stormtroopers it's kind of still look a little clone trooper era helmets oh they do kind of have clone trooper era helmets. You're right. They're like, maybe it's early. Maybe it's early. But the, but that base is a rebel base.

What's happening on Kifreen? Because this is the Kofreen mining colony. Yeah. Is that where, where does that come up? We know this. We could look it up, but that might be dangerous. Oh, it's from Rogue One. It's from Rogue One. It's in Rogue One. Okay. So we've, we've seen Kofrein before. Is that where Andor waxed that dude? Uh, yeah, it is.

The Ring of Supreme. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Where are the guys like, I think they're on to me. You'll help me help get me out of this, right? And Andor's like, I will help you get out of this mortal coil. Yeah.

Ugh. We have to figure out. And speaking of mortal coils. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's time. We can't talk about it until we get there. We can't talk about it until we get there.

other for years. You seem like you're content with that status quo, but then he starts putting all sorts of pressure about the relationship and like defining things. And suddenly he's talking about what, what do we mean to each other? What are we going to be to each other in the future? And you don't know where this is coming. It seems like, kind of seems like now that you finally have a thing you're passionately engaged with, he suddenly wants to talk about the future and what your plans together should be. But you know what? You love him and you're ready to have that conversation, you're getting excited about that future. And then he cuts his own hair and goes for a really dramatic look. And he's like, this is really meaningful to me. And you're like,

okay, I don't know why. What is going on here? This doesn't seem good. And the next thing you know, he's gone because he decided to become a 30 foot spirit wolf. He did do that. He seemed to have done that. I hate when that happens to me. Hera deserves better. Hair deserves better. Maybe Hera will find, maybe Hera will meet, um, uh, Dingerin, you know? That's, that's a possibility, you know?

Maybe that's where Felon is bringing it all. I was about to say something I can't say. I was just saying, Hera seems locked it. No, wait, what were you going to say? He's on the damn thing. You can't, like, they're, they're, they're, budded with the wolf

no on the calicoory you know what yeah you're no I'm in the valley I see what you're saying I don't know

I thought I thought love conquers all and it was like you know what baby you're 30 foot wolf now we're gonna make it

work we gotta make that work yeah yeah I love I love my wolf husband that's right team Jacob they give him pets

every day like I know that look some people don't understand like how does this really work like what's your relationship like this seems like an even more dramatic like princess mononokey situation like that was already like i could see the cuddles being really good but also it's

a little bit overwhelming and then this whole like giant canaan wolf situation seems like it would be kind of an obstacle but you know what hair is used to long odds that's right you know with the portrait of their relationship we just had how does that work is a question they've been fielding this entire time. You're right. How are you guys dating? And you have like five other people in the studio apartment ship that you're living in. Like, how are you guys making this work?

Are you making time for each other? They figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of questions. I have a lot of questions. I have a lot of questions.

So many. Oh. But I guess we can start with the first episode of this quartet. Not really a quartet. We can leave mid mid cliffhance. Lots of things are happening. Yeah, this is a one-off, then a two-parter, than the first half of another two-parter. I was telling Rob before we started that if I had my druthers, I would have gone back in time

and stopped Commodeer commanders from being placed here at the very least and maybe just ditched it all together. Like, I wish we had been able to watch Rebel Assault for our last four-parter instead of this one, or else we would have to made this a five-parter. So I guess, saying it out front, we know that the final episode here is a part one of part two. The Rebel's Recon is even about both of those together. I've not watched that yet for that reason. But the way it broke down is the way it broke down.

And the next episode. It used to be. Cliffhangers are good, people. I will say, I will say, some of these are released on the same day. It's worth it. What? Oh. And yes, we left off.

It's like we turn the TV off. It's like we, to ourselves and to our audience, it's like we are a parent. Yes. Being like, that's enough Star Wars for tonight. It's a weird season for that reason, right? So Heroes of Mandelor 1 and 2 were on the same day. In the name of the rebellion, one and two were on the same day. The occupation and the flight of defender were on the same day.

So three weeks in a row, there were two parters released on the same day. Then, Kindred, the first Rook episode, is on the same day as Crawler Commanders. And then there's just a one-off. Rebel Assault is by itself. Command-dears. Command-dears. Common Deers. Loadsome title.

Yeah, terrible. Sorry. Then Rebel Assault, the first episode we watched today, was by itself. And then it's another two-parter, Jedi Night and Doom, which are actually in production were titled Ascension, Part 1 and 2. And then the next two, the Wolves and Door, which we watched today, and the follow-up one, a world between worlds were on the same day. And then the rest of the series, which is a standalone episode, and then a two-parter

were also released. So if you were watching Rebels on March 5th, 2018, you had 90 minutes of Rebels on your TV that day. Because the finale is a double episode, which is how we got to four episodes per thing is our final week

is three episodes, but the final one is a double episode. So a double-length episode. So the like gap where the weak gap that people had was between the possible Harrow rescue and then... That's a weak gap between the possible heroin

and then the week later you saw Wolf. Right, right. Well, sorry, yeah, that is, this first episode was standalone, and then the next two were together. So you did not get a week between the events of Jedi Knight, the ending of Jedi Night, which we'll get to in a moment, and then, yeah, Big Wolf Time. Yeah, exactly. What I will say that I'm really enjoying is that the events at the end of Jedi Night did not happen in the finale. I was so sure that this series would end. with the death of Canaan, Jarus. And instead, we're getting to sit in grief in a way that I did not expect. We'll talk about it. First, we've got to rescue Harrah. I guess actually first Harrah has to get captured.

First, Herr has to be on a mission with Mark Matten. What the fuck are we doing? Oh, my God. So, look, I called this one wrong. I was like, the rebels have got it. They're going to get a big dub on La Thal. That rebel attack is going to be, They are going to stand up to the Imperial Navy

and they're going to kick their ass and it's going to be good and that's going to be the moment the Empire realizes we have a big problem here because we can't, these guys are more than we can just handle with our conventional fleet. Good thing we have a death star coming. I don't think the rebel attack

on Lothal means any definition of a victory. Defeat does seem actually maybe more apt disaster, maybe not overstating it. I think you could justify catastrophe. I don't know. They get a dub in the end in a sense

not as part of the rebel attack. Oh no, you're right, no. Well, listen, they did kill the... A dub was handed to them by Governor Price. The dub was... Like, an own goal happened. They did kill an imperial ace pilot. Maybe that ace could have killed Luke Skywalker.

Grand Admiral Throne killed an imperial ace pilot. I have to ask, is Throne like undercutting? It's so... It's so, suss. Like, I keep waiting for Throne to be revealed to secretly...

be part of, so, Rob, you know that, you know that the Chis existed as a, as a major power in the galaxy in their weird corner of the galaxy before becoming part, in the, in legends, right? That there is like, well, hang on. I don't, so I thought the Chis were invented post-thron to explain where he came from. That's right. That's what I mean. Okay. But that's still the only you.

Yes. And then legends decided, right. The Chis are this whole like imperialist race out there. toward the far reaches of the galaxy. Right. Exactly. And I keep thinking, is, are we doing Thrawn secret chis agent sent to undercut the empire? Oh, yeah.

And destroy little bits of its, of its infrastructure so that they can, is Filoni going to lead us to some war with the chis as his new, you know, fix-fick for the sequels? You know what I mean? Or actually his, like, fourth, is he going to get a trilogy that's about the chis showing up? Mm-hmm. You know? I have been thinking that I, especially Thrawn in this episode, I've been wanting Sharpe as an able out of him, which is like antagonist in the show, but is also like scheming against the, the faction that he, he fights for. It's like technically part of, but actually he's like trying to cut the heads off of Imperials because he has some beef with them that we haven't learned yet. I can see it.

It's very, it makes me realize this theory. It would be very hard to recognize. someone who has a little bit of that sheave in them if they don't act like sheave. Like if you just don't run around going if you're not doing that I'm actually, I might be

incapable of recognizing that you're just purely an agent of chaos right? If you're just like yes excellent I'll be like Batman has a plan that man knows exactly what's going on but it could be it could

just be like when John Ham shows up on 30 Rock and he explains that like being good looking and like looking like as Liz Lemon calls him a cartoon pilot just makes people think you are good at things like you're kind of confident maybe you're not yeah yeah like we're just looking at Throne it's like that guy's hair is so slick back he's got to be on point Throne has pretty privilege and we're not talking about this enough this is true this is Yeah. The rebels use a picture of him to just stop a group of imperial troopers dead in their tracks. That moment rules.

Oh, my God, that is so good. I also think that I realized in this episode that he has like a red, like, eye liner line under his eye. Yes, yes, yes. No. He does, 100%. Yeah. It's good. It works.

He's making it work. He really is. He's looking good. You know? he's hitting the gym. We know he's people up and he's got his skin care on.

He did his like health got goth era. Yeah. And that is why it's okay that he sends Imperial Aces to their death, you know? I mean, he did tell that guy

not to do the thing. Yeah. He didn't just also pulled the trigger. He just also pulled the trigger. That guy was real close to I feel like if he trusted that guy to get it done though. But the thing is that's the thing.

That's the thing. What did Thron accomplish by shooting that guy? down. Who do we protect? Hera, who he's the biggest fan of in the world where we're talking about this. This is true.

He was like, only I'm allowed to kill her. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But also, the other thing there is, like, if Hara had gotten a key per shield, I still think she probably wins this fight. Harry is just like that. Like, we have to come to the,

we have to admit to ourselves. Hera is like that. Like, Hara is her. You know like that dude, though. It was so close to getting the targeting. That's how it felt for him, too. It feels so close. But whatever, it's a hit.

But she's also her shields at that point. You know, the thing that I realized is, Hara has been fighting against fighters for this whole series while piloting a fucking transport. And there's been, like, attacking with them. This is her literally taking the weighted cloak off because it's a lighter faster. This is also, by the way, our debut of X-Wing.

We haven't even described the episode yet, but it opens with an X-ring attack. And X-Wing's haven't been in the show before, which is a wild thing to say. Where did they come from? Great question. Because I remember in the old continuity and the old, in legends, the story was Incom was developing the X-Wing and it was like an imperial acquisitions program, but a bunch of the engineers were like, the empire's evil. Yep.

And they ghosted with the X-wing plans, which was going to be like a standard space superiority fighter to replace the Thai wing, the Thai fighter. And they just like steal the entire design, everything and bring over the rebels. and it seems like such a good fighter. It's showing up seems like a big deal, but like when we see an Andor, when we go to Saas base, he's got Vex Wing even at that point. He does.

Which is around the same time period. That's early. That's five years. That's five BBY, right? Or four or something like that. So like he's had them for a little bit. I don't know where they came from. I was a little expecting to have gotten that story

because we get the Y wing one. You know, where they steal the Y wings and stuff. They make such a big deal about, like, oh, my God, we got Y wings, which is a piece of crap compared to the X wing. Yeah. As well, the air fight choreography is, like, significantly... It's so good. Enhanced compared to any aircraft fight choreography we've seen so far.

Compareding this to every time they show Poe doing like awesome fighter stuff in the sequel trilogy. Garbage. Crap. Trash. Yeah. Herra does some of the cruelest maneuvers. Yeah. I like that guy. I like that guy. It's not his fault. Pretty criminal strikes again.

I also just like thinking about where this show was. There's a moment later, but this is like a general thing, but there's a moment later where there's like an image of season one Ezra of years on the screen. And it's like a jump scare. You get the Play-O-Han jump scare, yeah. Yes, it was like, oh, my God, this show has changed.

It was the same thing with Clone Wars by the time we got to season six. We're just thinking about where these animation shows start versus where they're giving, where they get to by the edge. of the series run, it just, the lighting budget must have gone up by like 300% because everything, everything is lit. Throughout this entire season, there's just, it feels so intentional and directed and grounded in the scene

while also not just being naturalistic, but adding like dramatic effect. There's a lot of like, you know, very sort of mood, I'm not a lighting, I'm not a gaffer, okay, so don't, so, so, so, so don't come for me. But, um, I don't know the right lingo. But, uh, I was just struck by, especially seeing Hera in the pilot seat, um, you know, how, how she was lit as she's making these dramatic, um, you know, air maneuvers. It's just looks so fucking cool. Look so good. Let me tell you something.

We have been critics here and there. Dave Filotti directed or co-directed every one of these episodes that we watch today. He supervised directed. No, he has full credits as far as I can see. It's widths, unless you're saying, did you see a different credit? Where did you see the supervising director? This was at the end of episode. Oh, you're right.

Interesting. Okay, I see it. This is. This is. In the credits. for the show in the show credits, yeah. This is multiple sources online

conflating supervising director and director is what this is. It ain't the same thing, y'all. This is stewardly, this first one. Oh, yeah. This one is stewardly. Yeah, which is one of the standbys. Exactly. They're all then by those sorts of standbys. Boscoe Ing,

Stordley, Gilroy does one of them. The, I think I checked, I think, yeah, both IMDB, Wikipedia and Wikipedia all list them as co-directors, which is incorrect. So good catch, Natalie. Thank you. She's not letting that stolen valor shit. That's right.

Yeah, buy on her watch. That's fucking a. Well, then good. Are we going to start attributing this to do executive producers now? But yeah, looks great. And I expected a completely different episode than this. There's another thing that we've talked about sometimes with these episodes is like, you can tell the budget certain episodes had based on how long a beat will go where, like, a episode that didn't have a lot of budget. If they were going to bust out the X-wings for this, this would be the X-wing episode.

There would be 15 minutes of X-wing fighting. There's like four minutes of X-wing fighting in this before. It feels like longer. It's great. It's just really good. Space battles big. It's the first. She comes crashing down at six minutes or so, you know?

So it's shockingly fast. Most of the episode is after things go bad, you know? Which is they're throwing all the money they have left into these episodes. Maybe that's why it's Mart. That's what they saved money. Yeah. Who's going to crash land with Hara? I was hoping it would be that alien guy.

A wedge. I wanted that other guy. I wanted that cool alien who said something quick. Like save that guy. No. Marr. Mart survives. Not his other friends.

His other friends are nowhere to be found. They are not in this fight as far as we saw. Again, didn't go good. The whole attack does not go super well because, yeah, the opening of the episode is this huge rebel attack on Thrawn's defense lines. They are bringing their X wings and that seems like it's going to accomplish a whole lot except that Imperial Ace goes up in his tie defender and is just like working the everyday rebel. Pilots just is a massacre, but Herod just is like, we're going through. And they charge the Imperial lines, and that's where Thron is at his most imperturbable. And he's like, don't interfere with my Star Destroyer's firing pattern.

And he just mows down the Thai defender prototype and the greatest fighter in the Imperial fleet. He doesn't make the kill. He doesn't kill him. He knocks out of shields. Harrah does that sick drift to get behind him and kill him, to be fair. That's true. That's true. He gets the assist on the stat sheet.

He's definitely right. He made it an equal fight. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. He got rid of the tie shields, the thing that says separated the defender from the rest of the ties. So. Yeah, that's true. And so then it looks like maybe they're going to break through the imperial lines. This attack is going to succeed.

But when we cut to the rebels on. the surface of the planet, we see what becomes of the attack once they make it past the imperial lines, a shower of flaming wreckage descending toward the city, what is left, all that is left of the fighter strike force that the rebels sent. And Hara has sort of survived a crash landing in Lothal and spends the rest of the episode on the run through the streets of Lothal trying to make contact with her people. And she's on the run with Mart and they are being hunted

by Ruch. And they get the better of them in one fight. And that's the only all he's going to take tonight. Because eventually he catches up with them and long story short, she gets captured.

Mart is able to make an escape. But Hara is taken into custody. You gotta swap that. Mart, your job in that moment is to be the one they arrest and let Hara, who's now a general, by the way, get out of here. Hara is literally one of the most important people in the fucking galaxy right now. By all appearance is maybe the greatest fighter in Star, like, Pilot and Star Wars. It feels that way.

I mean, it definitely feels like she's positioned that way, for sure. Luke has the force. Luke has the force. And then shoots. Luke has the force also. Like he has like aim assist on. Hara is doing this shit. He got wall hacks, you know?

He does. He does. Her is an aim trainer all day. She's in the lab. She's doing aim lab. She is doing aim labs. She is. Luke's a little bit like, you know what it is?

It's like if Nick Falls had just retired immediately following that Super Bowl. Yeah. that's what Luke basically does with the rebellion. Oh, boy, it looks like we got a whole lot of fighting. I got to go to Daigoba though to go follow my

Jedi journey. Yeah. Sorry about what happened to Rogue Squadron and attack on the walkers. But, you know, I got shot down early, so I wasn't really around for that. That's right. Yeah, hold on. Luke, Luke does one, Luke is like this really good pilot, right?

Ish. I mean, no, yeah, that's the... He's, like, pretty good. and he does it in the first in the first one and then does he really do any major piloting for the next two?

Like major pilot moments? Yes that kid kill an empire. In the snow speeder you mean? Yeah, his turn cable guy or whatever. Yeah, that's kind of it. And he acts like, oh, Dack is dead. He didn't survive the crash landing

but like that's for the camera. Yeah. Dack was unconscious and Luke was just like, oh, I can't get them. I can grab my lightsaber and run. I can just one v. one of these. one of these things by going up there

with the lightsaber and a bomb. That's close enough. Dack was holding me back, honestly. Just like the cowboys. I feel like I can take the whole empire on myself. Luke's like, oh, we got a real All About Eve situation. I know, that story goes. You would think Luke would have more sympathy for that kid.

Natalie, All About Eve is a famous play about life backstage in a Broadway chorus line and the politics that sort of crop up between women at various stages of their careers. Very, very famous work. Wow. That's for Natalie and our younger listeners. Are you mansplaining all about Eve to me?

That's happening right now. Anyway, yeah. As if I, you think I'm not a, a Betty bar? I don't think the Zoomers know about All About Eve. I'm not a Zoomer. I think all, I think, I think millennials sort of, I think we're the last generation know all about, all about Eve. I'm not a zoomer. I am not a zoomer.

I'm, I'm yelling. Ah, I'm not a zoomer. I'm not one. I am not one. I agree with you. But you should be quiet about that because you need to ride their money for a little longer than we're going to be able to as elder millennials. You know what I mean? If they think you're one of them, they will continue to support your endeavors, you know?

so it's kind of good for everybody involved if they think we got a zoomer among us you know fuck I said among us I'm gonna know anyway wow that's um sauce yeah I just want to say shout out tony storm people in hope no way yeah um yeah so she crashes Rook is scary well I need to know what the what the defense system they had that was kill everyone button. We see it. So the thing is the rebels think that they're going to be safe because they knock out the anti-aircraft

towers. They have those cool towers that are similar to the ones on the Death Star. They blow up. But when the rebels pass, when the remaining fleet passes through the atmosphere, what's revealed is a wave, like a cloud, a swarm of tie fighters that are

launching right at them. And it's just too many. It's just like... Oh, that's what happens. Because I was like, why aren't they taking these guys, it was just too many. They just get completely overwhelmed. Because they do say we're launching the second wave. That's exactly right. Like, Thrawn's like initiate second wave.

And I was like, I think Thrawn had their entrance coordinates already planned and like kind of was fainting with the amount of fighters he had available to begin with. Because when Harris sees how many they are facing, it's like, there's like three X-wings left or something. No, it's more than that. But it's, but it's, you know, a handful of them. And then it is a wall of Thai fighters that are just already blasted.

It's like the end of glory, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. like oh yeah here we go we're making it through and then it's like how many fucking guys these guys go they just keep coming and then we'll even see that fight we just see the uh the the ships coming down on fire into lothall great shot like beautiful shot great yeah it's really well framed through um sabine's like by super noculus i don't know what the star wars term for binoculars um but she's looking she's like they should be here any minute now Now, and through that lens, just watching each of the ships disintegrate essentially is gnarly.

It's like a SpaceX launch. That moment made me so, it made me like it hit that we're back on Lothal in a real way and how good it feels to be back on Lothal. And this was a feeling I had for the rest of these episodes where I'm like, I like that we saw the growth of the rebellion. I think that was cool that we saw that. I get why the show is that. I don't think it shouldn't have done that. But I think the show remains at its best when it's about like our little gang of four or five people who are concerned with their personal missions and their goals and fighting the rebel or fighting the empire on Lothal, a location that we've come to know pretty well over the course of four seasons. And again, I don't, I wouldn't say go back to the drawing board, throw out all the stuff with building the rebellion and Adelon and all that.

But when I think about the stuff that's been weakest and the least excited I've been about the show, it's been tied to that sort of stuff. The episode of the weak stuff that they did on Lothal in the first two seasons and in, like, the surrounding systems, but still tied to Lothal and Lothal's concerns, or the strongest of the series, I think, in general, or in terms of just my enjoyment of them, that's where I felt the most excited to be watching Rebels. And now I'm really excited to be back now after being away for so long. I would have agreed with everything you just said up until the thing, until Lothal became about force wolves. And I'm real, I'm real ambivalent about that. But that's not about Lothal again. That's the thing. That's about the force.

Yes. That's where stuff is happening. Yeah. But the revelation that Lothal is going to be a portal to mortis was just like, oh. Okay. Someone is listening and is like, what? Because we did not talk about that yet today. Yeah.

We telegraphed it last time. though. That was one of Austin's predictions. I was so short. Those, that Jedi wolf portal. Ever since I saw that Owl. Ever since I saw that Asoka Owl that's always fucking around, I was, I said it the first time it showed up, I was like, that reads like the Griffin from Mortis, the green and white sister, daughter, whatever it's called, whatever that character is.

I probably need to rewatch Mortis because I don't remember the details enough because I was so upset with it. I was wondering, we put Mortis on our, you should watch this in Clone Wars list, right? Well, I was like, you have to. You do have required. I think it says required, I think it says mortis sad face is the exact. I had this moment of like,

what if somebody actually follows this and listens to this podcast and gets to the end of rebels and is like, what is happening? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking. I'm checking the list right now.

Mortis arc. Yeah, it is. It's sad face, but necessary for the full Clone Wars experience. We bolded the whole thing. And now it's necessary for the whole rebels experience. Because otherwise, you'll be like, who are these orthodox art figures on the wall? What's this all about?

But now you know. I think we should redo our skip list when we're done with Clone Wars. And that should also be a rebels. We should wait until we're done Clone Wars stuff. Because who knows if there's going to be rebel stuff that gains importance because of Clone Wars season seven. God, but I haven't watched some of that Clone Wars stuff in like eight. years. Yeah, well, there's an entire co-tor between that and now. You're not wrong, but I

think you'll, I think we'll know. Do you know what I mean? Like, for instance, we included Liberty on Ryloth in the Ryloth arc. We didn't include all of Ryloth in our skeptlist, but we did say Liberty on Ryloth, which is important now because of Chamson Dula. So we did the right thing there, but imagine we had not included that, you know? And we said, well, you have to know who Champson Dula is. You know, really important. We included the Blue Shadow

Virus arc, which is basically the most important arc in Clone Wars because of Nuva Vindy, and that was the right decision then. It's the right decision now. So. Yeah, I stand by that. I'll never, I'll never back down. Never back down from that. Like the, the Nuvo Vindi is like our Costco hot dog, basically, where it's like, people are like, I think we can basically acknowledge he's not a very relevant figure in Star Wars. Right. That's what you're saying. Right. Yeah. It's like a loss leader. He's like, gets you in the door.

That's what he's, there's moments where you're like, my face. and Clone Wars is wavering. And it's like, yeah, the blue shadow virus. Yeah. And you're like, yeah. Woo.

We love a little guy. Love your goggles. God. I'm imagining the person that actually does watch the last 10 minutes of supply lines just to see the Jar Jar Jar Dance.

How can you not watch the Jar Jar Jar Dance? So it's such an important moment where everyone's like, is this performance? art and that's that's what we should all have been that's how you should interact with jar jar binks yeah it always should have been who knew it was the no moydians who were who were the people who'd be like we get it's like the french and jerry lewis right you're totally right the thing that's funny

is supply lines you don't have to watch the whole episode but you do have to watch a jar jar dance we have one of those for rebels it's the ap5 uh song it's the same thing we're really we don't to watch the whole thing, but you do have to watch that moment of AP5. You do have to watch AP5 doing the musical. Yeah. Anyway, let's do this later once we're all done. Yes.

Yeah. So she's, she's by the way, just one last thing. I think we have to say. Yeah. It's cool. They did the ground team did the work. They knocked out the air defenses. But I also feel like

Intel would have been part of their purview as well. And figuring out that there was indeed like a second wave of tie fighters ready to like rise up from the planet and just mob the... I feel like that was an important detail to... And also, oh, what could they have done about it?

Literally Sabine is introduced blowing up a hangar full of tie fighters. That is literally her introduction in the short this is what they do. And this time when it mattered most the ghosts completely with. Maybe they were hidden.

Theron hid them away. There's so many. There's so many. There's so many. I feel like they weren't hidden. I feel like it was like an enterprise rent-a-car lot with like Thai fighters. I mean, something we learn, I don't think it's in this episode. I think it's in the next one is kind of why there are so many Thai fighters here.

Besides the fact there's obviously the Thai defender plant, it becomes kind of clear that this is one of the competing visions for imperial authority that vary. That for, this is Thron's swing, the defender specifically, but because the defenders, is here, this kind of whole sphere of influence, is his swing at being number two in the pecking order underneath the emperor, you know? We end up having the Thai defender positioned directly against the Death Star as a different vision of control. Let's get into that, because this comes up in Jedi Knight. I guess, yeah, is there anything else we want to say about Rebel Assault this first episode before we move past it? I don't think there is, but I just want to make the sure that we had the door open before we moved on.

All I want to highlight is the fight choreography between Ruh and Hara was really, really cool. And again, yeah, looked like, I almost said, game look good. Game look good. Game look good. I wanted her to beat his shit in. She was trying. She was trying.

And that's how it goes sometimes. Unfortunately, he moves like a video game bug, bug type enemy. Oh, is he bug or is he insect? He is actually giving bug. He's giving bug. You would think that it would be insect, but the way in which he's like, his jumps have a little... Do you know who he's like? The imp...

Hmm. Yoda. He fights like Yoda. I literally had that exact. exact note. I said, this is giving Yoda fighting Palpatine. Literally. I wrote that down in my notes. But I was low to bring up Yoda as I

usually am. I am so sure we're going to get more Yoda by the end of this, by the way. It just feels necessary. It just feels impossible that we're not now. If Mortis is here, Yoda is right behind it. Right behind it. I can feel him. I can feel. I can smell. I can smell like

You're sniffing like Rook is? I'm... Rook, yeah, I guess if you watch these episodes, Rookie is always sniffing. He's always smelling and sniffing. He's always smelling and sniffing. I know. That's how they find,

that's how they identified Laya's their malaria. Yeah, exactly. Of course, we know this now because we read those books. I imagine we hadn't read those books and this was our first introduction to Rook. It would suck. It would be so sad.

It would be so sad for us. And we wouldn't even know it was sad. We might not even realize how cool he is. We might be like, I just don't fully get. what he's doing here. Why is he so little? Like, you know.

Yeah. But now, why does he kind of look weird and difficult to describe? Wow. Mysteries of the Force. That's right. Yeah. So yeah, that's that episode. Hit us with the next one.

Yeah. So with Jedi Knight, uh, hair is, hair is imprisoned. And Governor Price, it's kind of like a, uh,

Caroline Bingley. and Lizzie Bennett situation where Caroline Bingley fucking hates Lizzie Bennett because she knows Mr. Darcy is like all about Lizzie Bennett and that is how Thron is about Hara

Is Thrawn Mr. Darcy in this scenario? Is that what you're telling me right now? I mean, I will not be able to handle that. Yeah, I kind of... It's so... You must allow me. To tell you how ardently I admire and love you. I do think naming his Star Destroyer, the Pemberley, was kind of a giveaway, but this completes, this is a full and accurate accounting of my interactions with one Mr. Canaan Jarris.

Yeah. For its veracity, I can refer to Governor Price. so governor price uh again out of that jealousy out of that rage just like torturing the shit out of out of hera thron okay this is not very darcy like i will i will concede this he shows up and is like well we're going to execute you but let me just tell you i admire what we've done could you explain to me everything happening on your family calicore I really love to know what all this means

because of course we're tying off your family's story with you and then he pieces out because he has to they're not merely trophies they're not not not trophies they're not merely trophies they're also more than that to me

I like to know what they mean you know it sucks you should have lore That's like, why just get a trophy when the trophy could have a Grumoir entry. I was going to say, do you ever when Destiny was first coming out and they're like, every gun has a story?

You're going to be able to tell this story behind when you found that guy what it means to you. That's how he thinks about the art pieces he takes from his fallen foes. Oh my God. The new game will have Calicori that you can get and you can just do you know, DLC for different skins you can put on it. I'm going to get the one with the,

I'm going to get the Funco Calicori, actually. It's going to have all my favorite. Oh, you don't know the origins of this one of the captain. Oh, I suppose the origins of this calicoorie were an exclusive reward. From the premium edition. You can't get it now, of course. It was time limited.

You had to drink 10 slurpees and collect 10 711 Extreme codes. I've examined this calicoory on light.g.g, and it is in fact a god roll. It's a god roll. It is a god roll calicori and it can never be replaced. I will be taking it with me into the next expansion. Fuck. All right, well, that's what that conversation is basically like before he leaves.

But he's leaving because Tarkin calls it. and is like, you need to get to Corrassant ASAP because the emperor is real horny for the Death Star. Crenic is like the Death Star is so good and the Defender Program I don't know, it seems troubled,

it seems like it's not doing all we want. You need to get over here and advocate for it which also is the most snake-like fucking thing Tarkin, because we know Tarkin wants the Dust Star. But does he get? Yeah, because it's so far, it's so late in the day. It's not, Rogue One hasn't happened.

So it hasn't been proven that it works yet. People still doubt Krennick that it functions at this point. Expenses and excuses for years on end. I think Tarkin is probably saying the same shit to Krennick at this point that he's telling Thron. And he's just going to go in on whoever. So it's an acquisition meeting. I think it's an acquit.

I think, I think, I think, uh, Tarkin is playing both sides and is waiting to see which of these. He's sheaving it. He's waiting to see who he should throw in with based on the results. Sheaving it is basically. how defense acquisitions works, like, by all appearances. It's like DARPA. DARPA is like, what if we had an entire, like, little agency within the DOD to Shiva,

where it's just like, is this anything? And sometimes it is something. Sometimes it's kind of cool. Arpanet, pretty neat. Pretty cool. Yeah. Most of the time. It's very sheath coded where it's like, what's this do?

It lets us talk to. Ooh, we let's us talk to each other. It's a nuclear war. We'll still be able to do video chess. Even as the bombs fall But only us But only us The yeah

Don't worry All government Departments are going to work like this From now on You have to bid to be the Provider for the Department of Education You know It's just going to be everything

From now on It's going to be run like Military Arms deals So We're going to live in Sheave World We're entering a Sheave World You've heard of cool world We've heard of

Yeah it's time to enter Sheave World So, Thrawn's like, I got it. This is such an important meeting. I got to go. And besides, it's not like anything else can happen while I'm gone. We've dealt with the most dangerous rebel of them all. General Sindula. I fear nothing else that could happen.

Do you, I mean, that's actually maybe part of it. He does think we have Hara, the rest of them are nothing, will be fine. But do you think he genuinely trusts Governor Price this much? See, now you're only, there's two things. he doesn't go here. He doesn't believe Jedi are really all the cracked up. You're right. But also, he kind of wants the empire to get rocked.

So it's really tough to say what's going on here. And there's been, ever since Hara entered his awareness, he has cooled on Governor Price. And she's been trying to get his attention. She's wearing, she now has had a tailored, field grade officer's uniform, but like his, like, matching, matchy, she's the tank commander helmet in that one episode so yeah he gets he dresses up like that and the

next thing we see she's got one of these two and it's like oh like you know we could be we go together could be sort of like a a costume you know like I'll wear my tank commander outfit and you wear yours and he's not having it he's not having it's kind of she's kind of last year's model unfortunately I think hair is the shit you know I'm surprised he didn't offer hera some sort of You know, I guess this is where he's not like sheave. He, I don't think he, I don't think he would ever convince himself that he could bring Hara over to his side. You know, no. She's, she's a, a beautiful bird to be kept, a beautiful bird to keep, be kept in a cage to him.

I think that he would love to play chess against her, though. Yeah. That would be the thing, right? Yeah. I think that's the type of captivity she would be put in and, like, debate her about things. but he's still like now we're going to have to kill her though because she's too dangerous he knows that she's doomed uh so the the rest of the ghosts they need to figure out how they're going to get in there uh canaan doesn't he realizes he's too close to this situation he can't he can't trust

his his guidance around this uh after meditating on he realizes he needs to actually get some distance from this and entrust hera to the people the fate of hera to the people who do have some distance that he would trust in the situation, those two teenagers they hang out with. Yeah, yeah. His kids. You know, old dad doesn't have a plan, though. It's a good plan. It's a great plan.

But we actually skipped the most important Canaan thing so far. Do you think he's just sitting there looking out in the sunset and being like, Hara? Hera. I miss Hara. I hope Hara is okay. Hair. Hair. I should cut my hair.

Because he goes into the little cave thing. that they're near, and he breaks out his little knife, which I understand any of what's happening here. I can tell you what he's doing. It's the Milan moment. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, convening with the ancestors. Mm-hmm.

And she's like, all right, I'm, I'm, I'm going to cut my hair and I'm going to go sicko mode. It is, it is go join. It's, it's, he's, he's, like, recreating their courtship in a really cute way. We learned that. from Hara later on. Like, this is how you wore your hair when we met. This is how you acted when we met. Like, it's very, you have to lock in.

Sometimes men just have to log in. Someone else does this in the history of cinema for a more material reason, but it's symbolic when he does it. And of course, Combe in The Seven Samurai, the most quoted fucking movie in Dave Falunis' Uvra. The one of the guys that they recruit, the kind of old guy, the old samurai who's kind of like the de facto leader in the beginning of that movie is recruited right and it's right after he rescues a kid from a thief who is

like barred himself inside of a house in order to get in there without the thief killing the kid who's his hostage, he sits down and asks a monk to cut off his top knot and shave his head and all of the villagers look on like in dismay because a samurai cutting off his top knot is like, like, unheard of. The hair is like a symbol of his authority and his power. And so he's like, he's focusing in. He's becoming a different person for the needs of this mission. And obviously, I actually think the Moulon thing is closer.

But like, in terms of the lock-in moment and like the commitment. But I think Dave Filoni is quoting Seven Samurai because it's the thing he does once every four episodes, you know? And it's a weird look. I went and looked at the comic K. Lib Dune looks to be like, is that what he looked like in those? And no, like, he's a little kid in those. He doesn't look like that at all in those. So this is the only time he ever looks like this?

As far as I can tell. Yeah. For people who don't know, someone describe his haircut now? Yeah, I got you. This one goes out for the zoomers. Thanks. Imagine if, imagine if Kenan got a low taper fade. Imagine if Kenan got a low taper fade.

Low taper fade. Yeah. That's actually right. Add like 10 times reverb on that. And that's what you, that's all you have to do. You just got to imagine that. And that's what it is.

Oh, it's so funny. It's so funny. He does look like he's trying to look younger in a real way. He shaved his beard. He shaved his beard. It's giving baby face. Yeah. It's giving, it's giving a little fringe up front.

You know what? what I mean? He's not. The little fringe thing made me also nervous, like, a little bit like Mark Zuckerberg's Caesar era. Oh, it does get into this. And, like, I don't like this one bit. Yeah. I don't like this one bit.

It's actually giving, it's giving Bushwick dirt bag. It is. Yeah. In a real way. I got to tell you, I think this was the wrong maneuver. I think things go differently if he keeps his whole hair in his beer. I think you just let the hair out. Don't cut it.

Just take the hair tie out. Law hair hair. It's what era hair? His email, like, it was his growth hair. It was his, I'm going to the, I'm meditating. You're grown. You're grown now. You're a grown ass man. Don't go back.

You used to have that hair. But that was his slug phase when he was with a family and he was, you know, riding the sands. The hell that would break loose if I randomly was like, I cut my hair real short and I shaved off my beard, babe. Do you like it? You wouldn't imagine? all hell would break loose. He's so lucky that she was cross-fated when he got to her. Because if she was of her right mind, she would have slapped him.

It'd be done for Canaan Jarris. She is truthful about it. She does. She's like, she does. I don't like it. I cannot believe they gave us the funny. Because there's a glimpse of a different relationship that could have been depicted. I'm so mad they give us.

like the smallest from of that. No, it's a gift. It's a gift. You have to remember, this is an opportunity for us to fill this gap in with our own fan fiction. Now that we've seen this model of their relationship, we can extend that that's how they are privately or they've been privately in the past. We now know what it's like when she's off those Pizos. You know what I mean? Greeny-green ones. When she's on them greeny-green ones, we can out get Hera for real. because he's got to go rescue her and we get some good canada and her uh we get some of the best canada

we've ever seen i think yeah but first they got to make the hang gliders you're right and this is obviously reference to uh flyaway home uh the girl adopts a geese flock and uh flock of geese and like guides them to their nesting place is a while flying among them this is obviously quoting that that's that that obviously is another it's like the it's like the seven samurai for millennials really are you how does this live in your brain do you are you doing this on purpose do you know about the thing that someone is building for us right now no no someone is building a letter boxed as mentioned on a mca list wait what it's early still so i shouldn't even show this someone linked this on the abnormal mapping discord shout to to them uh shoutouts to user uh bala life who is putting together. It's very early still, obviously, because there's a lot of our show to get through. But, you know, now you've added whatever the hell the name of the goose movie you just said was.

Duck movie? Goose. Okay. That movie wouldn't even work with, that movie wouldn't work with ducks. It wouldn't work. But it could only work with geese because of how geese work. I see. Because the way their migration works is what you're saying.

Yeah. Sorry. I love that the prestige makes. this list before seven samurai does I know well yeah it's true I love that a Christmas prince

is on what the fuck did we talk about that who could say who could say what we were saying when we talked about that I don't know that's a beautiful beautiful project thank you for your work I can't wait to see where it fills up because I know we've mentioned a bunch of garbage on here and a bunch of great

stuff so So inspired by Flyaway Home, they get a bunch of gliders together and they disguise themselves as itself as loath bats. Lotha has a beautiful biome where you have critters that exist in other places, but you have the loath version of them. So the loath bats have been like circling around the imperial headquarters, sort of like eagles or like hawks in an Assassin's Creed game. of marks, like, ah, you can access this point once you unlock your, your Jedi glider. They, they build little gliders, and then they sort of, they soar into, into the city, and they make their landing at the, at the headquarters, uh, cane goes on the, yeah. The sound those gliders make us they land is perfect.

It's just perfect. It's just like they feel weighty. this is a stupid thing to focus in on. No, no, I love this. But the show is just hitting right now for me. And it's because they're locked in on all of these little details. They feel like big, heavy things. There's such a worse version of the show would have forgotten that the gliders were big heavy devices that would like clunk and clunk when they hit the ground.

And they do here. And it makes the whole thing feel a little riskier and a little more. Like, it's just making a show like this requires everything to hit right. Or rather, there's an opportunity for everything to hit right that will help bring the viewer in. And for me, that was just one of those moments. And there's a lot of that in these episodes. There's such an attention to detail. Things like the way the soundtrack work is also high on this.

There are like, they'll play a little sting or like, and they're about to with Canaan, like a little bit of a core Star Wars like music cue for three seconds while something is happening. and you're like, oh, like, got me. You know what I mean? Or we heard a new composition, I think, in this episode with Thrawn, where, like, the organs are hitting, and it's, like, this ominous organ music. We've not heard that before. I don't think it's great. All of those decisions around sound and audio are not things that we talk about that often,

especially for, like, audio design and sound. We talk about music way more than we talk about sound effects, at least since the first season when we were talking about like Thai fighter sounds and lightsaber sounds and stuff. But it's just been consistently good. And that's like a really great, you know, illustrative example of that, an emblematic example of the attention to detail on things

like sound. Yeah, so Caney rescues Hera. Ezra and Sabine steal a transport to facilitate their escape. But unfortunately, Rook, he smells that Jedi. He smells him. And,

And catches up with them, uh, it catches up with them, uh, on the roof of, of the headquarters and, uh, interferes, inter, interferes with their escape. Make sure they don't get it, they don't get a clean, clean getaway. Uh, and puts them in a position where, uh, Kane and Hera are sort of cornered in among these like fuel tanks. It's a very like Batman access chemicals, uh, type location, uh, big like oil refinery. like huge, like bulbous, like gas tanks. Ezra and Sabine sort of rugpole, the rest of the Imperial, like, assault troops they're with. Surprise, we've actually been piloting this, this, this, this, uh,

transport. They shoot down the other transports and they swoop in to rescue herring, Canaan, happy ending guaranteed. We've done it. Governor Price is not going to take this out. She cannot let Hera escape. She can't let She can't let Thron know she lost Hera.

So she commences fire on the refinery with her AT-A-T, and the gunner's like, are we sure about it? And she's like, do it. Triggers what you expect with a lot of refinery tanks going up. Should kill the entire ghost crew. but canaan enters avatar mode now we haven't seen the Jedi do this before but if you're familiar with Avatar the last airbender from which much is derived

we can theorize that a Jedi at certain moments to really sell a sacrifice can enter Avatar mode where they just perform incredible feats and what he does he creates a force wall between him and like the flames roiling out of the out of the refinery, but he can't distract. Now, crucially, you can't multitask and create the force wall and then back up into the transport.

Well, he can multitask a little bit because he can, for instance, turn half of his body and hold hair in place and then throw her back on to the transport. And then throw the ship to safety. Right, right. And also heal his vision briefly. Maybe it's not the force did that. I mean, the force did do that. I don't know if it's literal, but I do think it's like he's seeing her.

His last sight. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That can happen, but he cannot hop on the damn transport. This is like, this hit for me, and I want to be clear, crying, upset. Oh, my God. The most death flagged character in history died, bawling, sad, sobbing. I don't like the mechanics of it.

Or maybe I do, and it's fine, but it's like... this is it? And like maybe the fact that I'm like, this is what got him is good. And like it's kind of fun that it came from an unexpected source and not like a Thrawn maneuver or an inquisite, a secret inquisitor we never heard of or Darth Vader. Like, Vader didn't kill him.

You know what I mean? He wasn't like struck down in combat. He got blown up by. And he also had to be there. He had to be there. Yeah. Yeah, there's like, and I was really debating this as I was watching it,

but there's, like, the argument to be made that, like, he knew that this was going to happen at the point that, like, the wolf sends him back in the first episode. Yes. Yeah. And he understands the wolves want something from him and that he has to go do the thing. Yeah. At the very beginning of this episode, Canaan is meditating. We kind of skipped over this.

But he hears, like, a series of voice lines from, from, uh, from Ezra, from himself, a few from Hara. Actually, one from Hara, and the one that he hears from Hara is, Canaan, you haven't gotten me a present since we first met. So, you know, seeing into the future the moment where he rescues Hara and brings her the calicori, which, and then she, you know, says that line to him. My read is that in that meditation, he saw something that told him that he needed, like, he needed to be a part of this mission for a reason. I think he knows that he has to have some sort of distance from it in order to not influence the trajectory of the mission, which is, gets into weird, you know, fate, prophecy, yeah, yeah, like the,

the butterfly effect domino's falling et cetera um but my biggest beef with this moment is that he doesn't like he's so like doom mode emo mode like i really wanted him yes as he accepts I wanted him to like to give Hara like a smile or like just like some like tiny moment of reassurance in in his last moments that like this was he's so he's so he's so just intense in the way they're totally like just a man of stone he dies like Derek Zoolander would in a big ball of flame no he survives that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but giving blue steel. Yeah, that is it. That is what he does. That is, that is it.

I, it's, yeah, for me, it really is the thing of, like, when I, when a primary character dies, it's often an opportunity to understand something about, uh, whoever killed them in some way. And I don't just, like, the cell. But, like, what did we learn about this person we never thought was a badass cool person anyway? Like, oh, she's another failed daughter of the empire. Yeah, no shit.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. it didn't do anything for me on that in that regard. That's, yeah. Which is fine. But I do. I mean, I think the fact that she fumbles enough to like feel

like she needs to get this defeat to the point that like we turn around Canaan's death and is like, oh, you actually accomplish what the rebels weren't able to. And like her trying to cover that up and even thinking that she can keep it from Thrawn in this next episode I think is, I mean,

I think that it is fun characterization for her just in terms of like, the like barely being able to come up for water in terms of being able to defeat the rebels in this I kind of feel like you know in wrestling I can go a wrestling way or I can go a tabletop way tabletop wise it feels like when a character um suddenly dies in the middle of a fight without really knowing like what you like you take the you die in the in a pb TA game and you get the thing that's like, all right, sometime in the next session, your

character has to actually die. You failed the death check. And the way that, like, in Apocalypse World that works is sometime, the next time there's an opportunity to die, you die. The other thing it reminds me of is in wrestling when there's a schmaws ending where like, because you don't want. So in wrestling, this is like wrestling jargon, at the end of, if a fight devolves into chaos because like three people ran in and now it's, there's chairs and there's not like a

definitive finish, which is a thing that often happens in the way. the lead up to like a big pay-per-view event or a premium event now, that way, like, you don't get to know would wrestler A or wrestler B have really won? Instead, someone interferes and it means that you don't get the, and there's a disqualification instead of a real pin or submission. And in this case, it's like, well, Thron loses, not because he fucked up and lost to Hara, but because Price blew up the six gas tanks you needed to make tie defenders. And that's all My favorite Mitch Albin book. The only ones they need.

The only ones they have on the planet to make more tie defenders are all. They're all gone. They're all in one place. So maybe that's the wrong mistake to begin with. But it means that you don't have to like, you don't undercut Thron by making the death of the tie defender program. Price is a mistake instead of Thron's mistake. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I mean, I think the tabletop metaphor works, though. If you think of Canaan as like trading in that when the head. hair of failure happens, right? Where it's like, I'm, I'm triggering this action because I want to save this person. Yeah. Yeah. And that works.

Again, I genuinely really loved it. I was, it was totally bought in. It's just that I was like, yeah, it was like this. Because I would have loved to put this on Thron. I would have loved for everyone to be able to blame Thrawn for this. Or for Thorn to have gotten a victory over them here in some way. I will say in the Pheloni zone for this

and the Rebels Recon, Filoni is like, just trust me. I know people are going to be mad at me, but just trust me. And I really wish he hadn't said that. I wish he would have just been like, yeah, sometimes characters die.

You know what I mean? No, I guess they got to see that episode back to back with the one where it becomes kind of clear that he maybe turned into a big wolf or his energy spirit energy. That does not fill me. It doesn't,

but I thought I trust you less now, though. If that's the reveal, like, wait, though. I'm going to be mad. I kill. Canaan, but good news. Yeah. The best part. Very disappointing.

Is when everyone comes home and Sabine like tosses her helmet down on the ground is all pissed off about it. No, the best and worst part is when Zeb is standing there happy smile waving at the ship coming in. My friends are coming back. You know?

No. I'm a bat. Oh, it's good. That killed me. That killed me. Oh, we skipped over the fact that the whole screen goes white with the explosion and then like the outro. Oh, the Aeros. The Emo Rebels outro. Yeah, the Emo Rebels outro.

No music. It's white and black. It's good. It was good. That's the start to an AMV. You're right. Yeah, absolutely. 100%.

So I do think, like, just going back to the haircut, real quick. I just don't, was it like, is it Padawan related? Is he trying to like... He doesn't look like that as a Padawan. I think this is what he looked like in his, in his, in like his 20s, in his dirtbag boat. I think this is dirtbag boyfriend, Canaan Jaris. Because she doesn't say that's what you look like when you were still called Caleb. She says like, that's what we look like. That's what we look like when we first met. You haven't given me a present before, as Natalie is. And then he would... Which is wild. He hasn't given her a present in 20 years or whatever. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, what the fuck?

And he's sweating her? Right? Brough. No game. El. El. L. L.

L. L. Like, does he not tip? You know what I mean? Kara, you're going to meet someone really good for you. That's the energy. Leave Canaan in the Calicori and move the fuck on. That's right.

Exactly. Well, all their money had to go to like, you know, shells. and the hyper drive He ain't right of a poem? Pick a, pick a flower off the fucking That's what I'm saying. Bro, you had nothing. You never thought,

you didn't get her new laser cannons for the ship even, you know what I mean? Like, if it has to be work related, that's fine. But he never was like, I saw that you really wanted those new proton torpedoes and I got you something. You know what I mean? He's never done a thing that she recognizes as a gift,

but she just doesn't understand all the little ways he's been thoughtful. Mm-hmm. Don't put this on, Hara. Don't. He puts the toilet seat down. That's kind of a little gift. Yeah.

Occasionally, he puts the food in the microwave, and then, of course, she can clean it when it starts to smell a little funky. That's right. But I microwaves you this delicious meal. How can you say that? I got us those microwave of burritos last week. I also think we get a little insight into maybe low-key this maybe makes

Leah's resistance to imperial interrogation slightly less impressive now that we realize the truth serum just gets you absolutely zooted but like it doesn't quite seem like oh no one's mind is strong enough to resist this torment because when we see just as as Canaan's about to do the jail break Like, Price is called out of the room.

Two Stormtroopers come in and she delivers this wonderful, I'm going to be honest with you guys. You're in so much trouble. This performance is an all-timer. She's so good. My Jedi boyfriend is here. And he's going to be so mad. Oh, I thought you were going to come through the window. It's great.

It's so good. And she gets progressively less high as it unfolds. She has, like, various moments. Like, when they get to the roof and he's like, yeah, this is our plan for getting in. I don't know about the escape. And she's like, I don't want to fly these. Yeah. Well, good news.

I love when he says the kids came up with that one. I'm telling you. It's so cute. It's very cute. Oh. It's very, very cute. And it's sad that he's dead. And she finally says, I love you.

Okay. I don't believe that she had it. Okay. Let's hear it. Okay. Okay. Important. Yeah.

Kane, the only one who can do a force grab? Bro. I'm sorry. Like, you're either, you're either ready for the league or you ain't. Like, Cain is locking down, is locking down the refrake. finer explosion, keeping Hara out of trouble. Yeah. Just grab. All you got to do is just grab him.

He's basically floating in the air. You don't need to pick up, just grab him and pull him aboard the transport. Can you just do that for Hara? But if Ezra grabs him, won't it like? He's got the shield wall. Well, and maybe. It's not even the first time in these episodes that Ezra lets me down. do you remember last episode where after the ship's crash everyone is like all right i guess i guess we got to

get out of here before we get seen and canaan is like like i can't go with you i have to go get her i have to go get hera and ezra's like we'll find her don't worry and as and canaan is like no i got to go now and as was like okay i understand and leaves him to go alone this is when canaan is like on the bike and goes back, goes to Lothal City and, like, it's stopped by the wolves on the way in, which are kind of moved past, but like, while he's on the highway, he just gets, like, he gets hit by a loading zone and loads into the wolf instance, and they all show up to, like, you know, be like, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, exactly, you got to pay the toll. And Ezra should have been with him. Aser should be like, okay, we do this. The rest of the crew goes, we stay together

and go forward. Like, that's what we do. We constantly do that. So Ezra, I was already, I was already, you know, primed, Rob, for you to point this out. I hadn't thought about it, but he could have, he could have helped. He could have pulled Hara back in, freeing up a little bit of juice for Canaan de Forrest Push himself. Snorlax would have made that play. Snorlax sort of made that play. They needed that guy.

Well. They don't have a snorlax. I need a snorlax, and instead I got you. Exactly. Well, time to throw a parade. The Imperials decide. in a really funny maneuver to try to cover up

it's so good the daylight between her and Minister Tua just disappearing Minister Tua I throw the Empire Day parade I'm an important person Governor Price like her aid to camp being like we blew up a lot of fucking fuel

like this is bad and she's like I know what's bad but we're going to have a parade about it and then who can think it's possibly bad you wouldn't be who would throw a parade for a defeat. And so now she's throwing a parade. And it seems to be hoping that maybe Thron will be fooled by that too.

Like maybe Thrawn will love that, oh yeah, no, the Canaan Jarous death parade. Awesome. How's the defender program that I was just on Coruscant telling the emperor that everything's good? I also love that they both are like, oh, the leader of this rebel, of this rebel cell is dead. Dude, Hara is the leader of this rebel cell. You just default the thing the Jedi guy was the, come on. He's not been in that role at all. This is not women supporting women.

It is not women supporting women. She should know better. Season one, Canaan was maybe co-leader of the group, but ever since they've been in the rebellion, it's been Harris team. A hundred percent. Canaan isn't even like about the rebellion like that. No, he's a recurring thing. Yeah.

His immediate reaction to, we're probably. We're in the rebellion now was like, oh, wait, babe. I feel like I wasn't consulted on the whole join-in-army thing. Which, to be fair, I get his reservations. I'm going to kick it with this kid for a while. Yeah, I'm going to go teach my mentee. That's way more important than any sort of galactic rebellion. He was afraid.

I get it. I do. So, yeah. Time for Ezra to be scared of the wolves. Yeah, they chased him through the fields. Well, they were being scary. They were being scary. In his defense, they're pissed off.

Yeah. Yeah, because we'll find out in the next episode that they're dark side wolves. They're not dark side wolves. Hang on, hang on. They're dark aligned. It's mortis coated, dark light, they're all together. They're mortis aligned. They're woven together.

Yeah. Sorry, they're not mortiside. I meant they're lowthal aligned. That's what they are. well we'll get to this we'll get to this we'll get to next episode sorry to jump sorry to jump yes Ezra is pursued

through this vision he's pursued deep into the wilds of Lothal and arrives at this big fucking rock big rock huge sits under it and he cries he's sad good news

giant wolf is here to give her to give Ezra a sense of purpose and there's something familiar about that wolf huh yeah what is it it's the wolf's name it's not just the name then the wolf has a symbol on its face did you notice this oh i was looking at the eyes the eyes are blue like uh like he's got the little canaan's got the symbol that canaan used to wear on it's on his uh shoulder pad is also just straight up on the wolf's head directly. I'll send the picture over, yeah.

If they, as if they needed a little more signaling about maybe, maybe not exactly what's going on here. I'm, you know, I'm cautious about saying I get it completely. But my read on this is that, you know, there are lots of ways to become one with the force

without fully going to another, you know, without becoming reduced down to nothing. You could be a force ghost like Quigon and Yoda and et cetera and Obi-Wan, but he doesn't know that technique. Instead, he's like one with the force wolves and they're like, joy is the pack. This is so dirtback boyfriend Cody because basically like his afterlife as he becomes a bad tattoo. Oh, my God. His ass is so bad.

Oh, shit. He's not going to recover from this one. Yeah. It's very funny. ill-advised chest tattoo could become to life Yeah He became a bento

From Lothal Oh that's a good question She is not Why the fuck is he Why the fuck is he Could turn in Because it was his fate To come out here

And the wolves accepted him And they took a spirit And they saved him Because he's gonna save Lothal I truly have no idea If this is true I wonder if all of the wolves Are Jedi who died here

from the ancient temple, that there was like an exchange, right? Which was like, you can build your temple here, but in exchange, you have to protect Lothal. Oh. That's cool. That's my read on this stuff. So I was saying, like, if I were a wolf,

I'd be more interested in a different sort of exchange. Yum, num, num, numb, numb. And that's my read on this is that they are like some sort of protectors of Lothal, you know, spiritual. For sure, for sure. Miracle, miracle, you know, like that style of thing. If only Yoda was here to answer these questions. I do want to see, like, I really appreciate the restaint that they've had.

We have some visions moments. I think the, like. The fact there was no Yoda voice in that, in that one moment with all of the different. True. Yeah, was huge. And then I think the focus of mostly Canaan and Ezra's relationship in his first meditation was also a standout. Yeah, agreed. Yeah.

Because they could have, because like, for instance, in that later bit, I don't know if that's this episode or next episode, we get the Grand Inquisitor voice popping up at one point. So they could have put Yoda in, and they didn't know. So. It's funny because we kind of see a Yoda looking dude in the wolf in the wolf cave drawings. We do.

And like, was that Yoda? Does Yoda know all about those wolves or that different little green guy? If we get a Yoda lore exposition in the next episode, I don't know what I'm going to do. I can't be held accountable. It'll be fun. I'm sick of this shit. Anyway.

So that's Ezri. He's gleaned a lot about what they have to do. He internalizes that the planet is calling out to the ghosts. We need you to protect us and the Jedi Temple. Meanwhile Okay, so I think we might This comes up from time to time One of my least favorite tropes

Thing I hate Is the whole Don't do it You'll be just as bad as they are When like two good characters Have a bad guy dead to rights And it's like no, we can't And we just came up a little bit

Around Sabine Not wanting to use the I don't want to kill the bad I don't want to turn the Baskerator into the Storm Trooper Rader. That would be awful. Not like this. And I think all the Mandalorian should have been like, fuck these guys. Like you try to make the Esquerader.

You're getting, you're getting the Storm Trooper Raider. The plastic eater. I don't know what it is. That's what Candorous Ordo would have done. Absolutely. And he would have been like whoever wields the, whoever wields the stormtrooper killing weapon is the strongest, so we should just follow it out. Life is simple.

One day, we'll learn about whatever happened to Candorous Ordo. Oh, my goodness, do we find out in Cotor 2? I'm not saying shit. We got to go back. People listening are screaming, right? RIP to Andor. Pivoting

to Cotor 2. I need to figure out what happened to my favorite hymbo. Yeah. No more Andor, yes more. Kandor. Yes. Ordo. So Zeb and Sabine go out there and it's like it's time to get revenge. We need to settle the score for Canaan.

Settling the score in the end turns out to be a dorm room prank played on Rook. What if we kicked this guy's ass and, like, painted him real funny colors and put his little Waymo speeder on auto drive back into the Imperial Cam? And that'll let him know. I like the paint moment. I thought it was, like, a really effective use of being paint-pilled. But just, like, she paints him, she puts a paint bomb on him so that he gets revealed. I just realized she shouldn't put a regular bomb on him. It just killed him.

Mm-hmm. I it's so funny how Sabine is just like a character who's good now yeah now that she's just like in the background and like uses her skills yeah and it's not a big deal it's not a big deal it's cool she's great I love her you know what I mean I someone I know was saying that for them they've watched the series once and so now rewatching it they backfill all of this Sabine into the previous Sabine and like they're not worried about like where did she come from what's her story I can't imagine and not still being annoyed by the fact that they tease that she has a mysterious background over and over again in all those episodes, but I guess it could work, I don't know. Yeah, and it's just like, you didn't have to wait until the finale season montage

for her to, like, create a cool thing for them to use an omission, right? She's probably done it before once, right? The look at you just gave me. I mean, she's had some bobs every so often, but we haven't seen, like, engineer Sabine at all. Right? Yeah, not really, I guess.

Engineer Sabine creating gliders was cool. It was. Yeah. And, again, I like the thing here now where Rook has, like, an invisibility matrix on or something, and she, like, gets into hand-to-hand fight with him at one point, and puts a little, like, paint grenade on his back. that reveals him so that

Zeb can then just beat the shit out of him before she steps in to say we're not like that. No way a bat dude could fight an invisible enemy. He doesn't have sonar. I feel like, I don't know. We don't know that he probably doesn't, though. He doesn't. He's got his eyes work.

You're right, he has bat-like features, but he's also like a big, like, tiger man. You know what I mean? Maybe 2-O-P if he had, if he had bat sonar. Which would be cool. But my coping mechanism for justifying Sabine's decision here is that Soutine is living on within Mandalorian society from Sabine's birth, it's like, I don't know, education. She called the best grader in the duchess.

You know, pre-embroider schooling. part of her was like Honorable Combat is Mandelorans used to but now we blank I see We don't torture She's synthesized is what you're saying

She's taking She's like well I wouldn't be as pacifistic as I almost said my aunt But she's not related They're not related despite Sabine Sateen As our old Duchess was I'm not a pacifist But I can respect that we don't have to kill

Are those who we defeat in combat Right we don't we don't burn down gas stations and pillage villages and torture droids for fun and pour it out yeah you know we do honorable things we don't push nerds into lockers and poison the ice tea children we love bombs though and I would like extra credit for the best curator but I'm not going to kill this guy yeah who for I don't know I don't mean doesn't Sabine hates real guns but loves airsoft yeah but they're cool Why do you take it prisoner?

I don't know. Great question. Great question. Bring him to my mother. Because you want to this accomplished. I know. I know what we'll do. I was like, okay, great.

You're going to get Rook on your side. Sorry, Root on your side. I guess none of that's happening, by the way, because like. No, no, no. We're just going to spray paint the man. Spray paint. Got him. Like, that's it.

And let him go. My man, He looks like he's got the craft macaroni and cheese packets all over his body. You look like Chester Cheeto. Sabine's art just looks that way, Austin. My man just won a Nickelodeon Kids Choice Award and got slimed. That's what's happening with Rook in this episode. You're right, they should have brought him home.

Especially because you're right, they should have brought him to Mon Mothma. You know Mon Mothma is going to be in the most told you should, told you so mode we've ever seen. oh yes you're saying the the mission was a failure the mission i advised you against for sure oh and like when like gold squadron red squadron taking off to like fight the death star and it's like well we've only we have to use the squadron of y wings i know they're not really like front line aircraft anymore but we had x wings we had we had more we had a lot of x wings for just this purpose but we lost them just like you've lost your privileges Go to your room.

Yeah. No more of this Lieutenant Commander Bridger. Oh, yeah. 100%. Done. Ugh. I can't imagine. So, like, that's their, like, we send a message to the empire.

It's like the illustration of, like, Kurt Vonnegut's thing about, like, the power of art, like, confronting fascism. Oh, my God. Like, she basically, she basically bakes the cream pie, puts it in a ladder. And then, like, sends a picture of it to. Thrawn. We're here to tell you, we won't kill you. Don't worry. And it's like that settles the score.

I can't imagine. And they've spared us than all it. They spared us like us seeing her and Zeb explaining to Hara, hey, don't worry. We got them back. We, they send, they sell one of ours to the more. Everyone loves that speech and untouchables. They send one of you. to the morgue, you sent one of theirs bath tied up with some cool body paint on them.

He said one of theirs to Michael's Art Supply. You know? God. And it doesn't even say like fuck off or whatever. It was just like a mural. She should have put the NWO logo on there at least. She should put her symbol at the very least. She's such a something.

Okay, come on. We were on Team Sabina now. Look This is what happens I don't think it's Necessal evidence for the ship But these characters Her and Ezra have way better

Plot lines together Because I don't think this wolf thing Is working for me either Like he runs out there In a field It's like, oh, wolf scary It's like, dude He's so scared

It sucks I like him grieving I like him being like Yeah, his grieving Has nothing on Harris grieving not that it's competition but like in terms of depictions of grief

yeah no Hera just sitting in the in sort of the hideout like there's sort of part of the hideout that like sort of connects the Jedi temple like passages

whatever it is the the spirit passages but her sitting there with Calicori and chop her her childhood pet her oldest friend and sort of telling him that, you know, she always thought they'd have time. And it's just, it's, it's brutal, it's gutting.

Yeah. And I don't think it's the sort of thing made right by, like, polaroids of Roof body painted on the back of a speeder. We drew a dick on him. He fell asleep at the party. Like, she didn't even do something with disrespectful. I know. I know.

Oh, you don't know, though. Maybe in no Greek culture, this is like, like a big F you. You know what I mean? Like, maybe you're not allowed to. to, like, wear paint on your body. And so she's, like, being very culturally inappropriate. Sabine and Zeb don't know that. Everyone was like, what the fuck is that?

So I don't think, I don't think that was a, maybe they just intuitive. Oh, do you think, do you think the, I wish we'd gotten, in fact, the three seconds between when Rook returns on the speeder and everyone realizes he's not been killed because price must have been terrified. Oh my God I got his fucking little guy killed I got his fucking little guy killed I lost his little freak

Yeah Throne's already yelled at her at this point Thron's already not yelled at it Throne's already been like you know You'll be punished when I get home You know It's a bit much But you know that's She would have been so scared

Can we talk about the wolf conversation now Well I don't want to I want to say that We didn't talk about chopper Gripping her his little hand with his little hand. I was literally going to say, can we please,

that is the point I cried. That's the point I cried. Seeing his little hand just clamp around Hara, that got me, that hit me right. And this is where I'm like, I want Caleb to be dead.

And maybe being a big wolf is being dead. But I like that they're grieving. I like that the final third of the final season is caught up with their grief and not. that he wasn't killed in the final moment

in a duel against Darth Vader. Do you know what I mean to save everybody and then we don't have to sit with it? I like that we're getting to sit with it. And I hope that that isn't erased by like, well, don't worry. He's a big wolf now. Or like, you know what I mean?

You know what I mean? Having, losing someone important is actually pretty critical to telling the story of this group of people and of resistance, rebellion, like having a meaningful sacrifice that is felt

and that we get to, like you said, Austin, we get to be with this group as they process their grief is really important because I feel like so often, you know, a character death is used for like a moment of impact or like an intense, you know, an intense, you know, ending like we're going to finish it and we're going to lose him but they're going to have won the war and it's like we you know we have the memorial parade or whatever but we don't really get to be in the practicality of what it is to lose this person and I think it was a really really smart

choice to have this hit towards the end of the season in these final arcs where it is very It's, you know, it's kind of hitting at that sweet spot, but not so late that we don't have any time to process it with the characters instead of just being kind of on our own with the rest of the audience. Yeah. Well, I just really hope, though, like, there's no, like, the hair is not going to have to do some, like, Iron Diet type situation where, like, Doom Wolf is, like, I stay you go And it's like Canaan but he's a big wolf now But like just

She comes visits him On Lathal To come give him pets Maybe he could He probably can't fit on the On the ship He's too big for that He is like 30 feet tall

He's gigantic Yeah He could fight King Kong Regular movie King Kong Not Godzilla versus King Kong King Kong who's giant Yeah Yeah

Regular King Kong is also big, but normal King Kong is not skyscraper tall. They changed that for that movie. I think he would get along with Kit Kong. Okay. Yeah, they might be buds. That'd be fun. They can be friends and go on adventures. Well, we're going to get a taste of that when he starts hanging with Bendu.

Oh, my gosh. He's loved all the vendos. I am. You are right. He's Wolf Bendu. He's Wolf Bendu. Oh. Yeah.

So wait. This scene is. Is this scene why you think they're dark side-coded, Natalie? No, it's in the next one. Okay. In the next episode. I'll point it out. Don't worry.

I've got material evidence. Material evidence. Okay. Was there anything you want to draw out of the wolf scene, Austin? He gets the little, he gets the mortis rebel. He gets the weird rubble with the hands on them. And, uh, okay, that is the most. And he talks too much.

The wolf talks too much. clue is there's way too much point and click adventure happening in this there's too much resident evil the entire next episode is a point and click adventure it's it's annoying honestly on the blank you have to yeah there's like a puzzle title is wolves and the door which is basically like the game facts entry on this particular passage yeah the wolves and the door puzzle yeah puzzle solve hey I'm stuck on the wolves of the door puzzle um I've tried everything I try to combine all the items in my inventory

I clicked on the hands I've clicked on the hands exactly is there an order is it is it hand up hand left fist is it hand up I did all of them it's not working I already used you also put your hand on in the same position in real life I have to click on my hand in my own inventory okay I didn't do that I use the I've never had a hollow projector already. Yeah. So, wait, so suddenly my hand is an item.

What? Oh, are you kidding? This isn't a scum game. Yeah. Yeah. So. Esra returns to the gang and is like, I don't know if it's great news. It's not like great news, but he's like, we have a mission.

we have to protect the Jedi Temple and we have to get over there because something bad is happening so let's hustle and the wolves show up to give them a ride you heard we heard you need a hustle

we can do that it's time to ride the wolves and everyone sort of climbs the wolves and Zeb is comically scared of the wolves but I also think it's correctly reading like that one doesn't talk Zab it's like don't mean don't understand

yeah I do think Zab was correct and being like hey I need to be very clear I'm cool we also get a fantastic chopper moment where one of the wolves everyone else is climbing on the back of the wolf to be like warped across the planet

Chopper can't climb on the back of the wolf so what are they going to do grab them in their teeth and just run run with Chopper made me realize that I really want a chopper dog toy. Oh, great idea. Rip off and like little

like crinkly textures, but also like Velcro-y things. Yeah. I so badly. Love that. This is a great idea. Yeah, I can't believe they don't make that. Maybe they do. Have you looked? I haven't looked. You know it's Disney. They kind of make a lot

of stuff. I like that when they like ride the wolves. First of all, I guess the wolves are giving dire wolf in a way that I wasn't expecting like Game of Thronesy, Dyer Wolf in a way that was like... Very warg. They're also very warg, yeah. I like that they just run into the field

and then sort of like fall into the grass, you know what I mean? Like, I guess I hadn't put together that they can do this anywhere. I thought that in the previous episode they did it in the tunnels. I was like, oh, the tunnels on Lothal are important for some reason.

But instead, it's just the wolves can do this. because they do it in the middle of the field instead of in some tunnel somewhere, you know? Do you think this is the same thing, basically, as the whale hyperspace stuff, but, like, just localized? Like, are they hyperspace jumping on Lothal? I think so, yeah, 100%. Well, I think, to me, it's, like, kind of implying, like, that hyperspace is not... Right, right, right, right. The distance isn't it.

It's just, like, a thing you go through to cut the distance, between two places. And the wolves can use it to migrate around a planet. And the whales use it to migrate around the galaxy looking for like gas they can slurp up. Because we get the hyperspace effect

when they're in it, right? And they come out. This is where Ezra's hearing and we're seeing old pictures of characters that we haven't seen in a while. I think this is maybe where we saw young Ezra that you pointed out earlier. Yeah, that was the jump scare.

Yeah. Yep. I'm pretty sure everybody hears it, which I actually thought was interesting. Like Sabine ends up being the person who comments on it. So like that this is like... Oh, you're right. She's like, hey, a comedian experience is really interesting.

Zeb's like, I can't even... I can't even think about what I've just heard. I... We don't talk about Zeb's characterization a lot, like as much as we complain about Sabine's because it like just isn't there as much as it is

for her. Like, at least they took the shots with Sabine. Like, I really miss the Zeb from a couple episodes who was like, things are cool when they get weird. Yeah. Because he was the staff bearer or whatever. Like, I'm, I was sad that he was not like locking in on this and be like, well, you know, this is what, this is what being this crew is. He's had virtually no character.

Like, no. He's had nothing this season at all. Nothing to say in this season. What's the last Zeb episode we got? Was it him in Callas? I'm trying that after that's like really Zeb-focused after. There has to be an episode, right? Zeb-focused?

Because the Honorable Ones is after the recovery, the passage to Lassan, right? That's after the ice. The ice is after the Lassan passage, yeah. That's like, those are the last for sure ones. And that was season two, the ice thing? Or was that season three? That was season two. The Honorable ones is season two.

I'm looking. I'm looking. Not anything else after that in season two. Let's check all of season three. Are we about to become really mad? Yeah. Let's see. I don't see anything here.

Zeb brings a best... Oh, it was the Zeb and the spy droid was a Zeb episode. Remember Zeb? AP5 have the... No, but the other spy droid, the one that transforms and this. That's a Zeb episode technically. That doesn't count, though, because... I know.

Yeah. I mean, I think we just allowed him to become just a cartoon. We let him just like fall into tertiary cartoon comic relief guy. We were so enamored by, I think, I think seeing him give Ezra his first beer, like put the goggles on us. And then from then on, we were just like, yeah, it's Uncle Zeb. It's Uncle Zeb, it's Uncle Zeb. But Uncle Zeb actually had left us. We haven't had Uncle Zeb in so long.

Because the nature of an uncle is an uncle has an inner life that is a bit mysterious, but he glimpses into it that's like, whoa, like what's going on here? But instead, you're right, you're right, like, he can't be an uncle if he's not a fully realized care crew that we can sort of check in on. He can't just be about misadventure. And also, I just probably were saying, he's like not been, he hasn't been in the action role that much either. Like he had that fight with Rick, but it's not like we've been getting tough guy Zeb moments where he can quip a bunch either necessarily. It's not like he's even gotten to be the cartoon character.

He's mostly just like, I got to be honest, they've kind of made him like the pet, the team pet. Yeah. More than even Chopper has been in the last little bit. Chopper has had voice lines, like, full conversations with people in a way that Zeb has not until these episodes. Like, he is not at least made eye contact with the Callis. I get him, I'm so mad about the him and Callis stuff. I, like, we can't even, we did all that for Callis, and now Callis isn't even in the fucking show. Just kill him.

Yeah, where the fuck did he go? Why isn't he here with them? We got no episodes left. We've no, like, I bet he'll be in one of those episodes because we'll get like some big. He'll be like, him and Rex will be like in the background. Yeah.

He'll be like, I always knew you guys were the good guys. Something, some bullshit fucking line. That's right. It's going to, it's going to, it's going to. It's going to give absolutely nothing, girl. It's going to give absolutely nothing. I'll tell you that right now. Anyway.

I will. They get to the. weird, they get to the archaeological dig site. Milestone moment in Star Wars. It gave us our first gay glance. Ah. Ooh.

Biting my tongue. The, the, we get the shot, they can't help themselves. We're just at a Nazi dig site from Indiana Jones now. They're just doing rage at a star. I do kind of dig that's outsourced to the mining guild. Me too.

That part's it. It's not like stormtroopers exit, like, no, no, no, no. Like, Stormtroopers can't be trusted and move rock. That's right. Stormtroopers badly patrol rock area. Yeah. Mining guild guys go around. And also I love the

the Trandotians turn into Bif Tannan around an imperial like overseer because we saw again like the Trondotions on their like hunting world walking fully upright. Woohoo! Get on the airboat. Let's kill these younglings. But then there's that like

Imperial like sheave like a dude and the Trandotian like mining guild guy is like yeah I have to talk about that guy a little bit so you mentioned just now Rob the weirdo who is like the imperial guy overseeing all this who is sheave like like elephants right he's like he clearly went to the magic store and bought a cloak that's right so this guy first of all did you notice who is voice acting him I knew it was someone Who is it? It's Malcolm McDowell who, uh, yeah, uh, I guess like probably the biggest, movie legend, right?

Emerald Tallwin from Wing Commander? From Wing Commander, obviously, right? That was my first McDowell moment, obviously. I think probably, um, uh, Clowocorange is where people know him from, uh, historically, but then he had a whole life after that, that was B movie. Is that him and sexy beast? Is that him in sexy beast? Is he in there? Is it him or is that Ben Kingsley?

No, Ben Kingsley is sexy beast. Yeah. I thought you were saying he was also there. That's Kingsley. But this guy who's, I forget what this character's name is, but in the original script was going to be Van Ney, who is, I'll show you the picture of this guy, and you'll be like, oh yeah, he looks sort of like that guy, from Rogue One. Darth Vader in Rogue One has a base on Mustafa. You may remember this. And on that Bay Area Castle and on that castle, he has this guy hanging out, attending Darth Vader. Do you see this guy?

I see. Oh, yeah. Does anybody know where else this guy has shown up recently, Van Nu? Because this is going to bring us to another piece of news that we did not cover on the show. This is the guy from the panels of the current Kylo Ren comic that where the preview images were released last month, revealing, quote, unquote.

Oh my God, we forgot about this. I know. That Wado died. Except... It's him. Wado isn't dead. And I've read that comic now, so I can tell you exactly what happened

that made us think that Wado was dead and what a wild-ass marketing maneuver this was. Please tell this story. It is so important. It's so funny. So last month, or at this point maybe two months ago, there were two pages from this Kyla Wren comic were released.

The first was of two figures walking Kylo Ren and this other guy from the first issue of this Kylo Ren comic, who is, we now know Vanet in a big mex suit with just his head in there walking around. He says, this was the shop of Waddo, your grandfather's final owner, a Todarian junk dealer. And Kylo Ren goes, it's ruined. And then we get two panels. We get, we get Vader holding up a lightsaber. And he says, Vader must have returned here, taking his revenge.

And we get the image of Wado. Oh, this is Kylo imagining it. This is Kylo imagining it. That's the thing. And so the new panel, the new page that has shown up is, and part in the bad resolution here, it's the next page. And he says, no, my prince, your grandfather was. focused on other things. He did not kill Wado, but the Toy Darihan was not Anakin Skywalker's only owner. Wado acquired your grandfather from a hut named Gardula. She yet lives. She has a fortress

in the wastelands. And he says, this should not be the story. This should be erased. And the rest of this comic is Kylo Red going to face down with Gardula the hut, who is not in power anymore because of Boba Fett, because we have a daimio on the planet, obviously. Because Boba Fet is Daimyo? Yeah, so she's like in exile, still on the planet, but like in like a backup thing. That part doesn't come up. What does come up is this incredible moment where he goes to, and there's more here too from this comic I have to talk about.

He goes to, sorry, these are spoiled from when I linked him to somebody else, and so I have them, they're still going to be spoiled here. He goes to confront Gardula, and Gardula is like, selling slaves is not a crime, what's your name? And Kyle's like, my name doesn't matter. The past dies. That's all that matters. And he draws his lightsaber.

And Garuda goes, this is tires. I'm taking him. And he, like, blocks a bunch of blast or fire. And then, like, kills a bunch of Gardula's men. But then someone force pulls away his lightsaber. And it's the little weird. It's the weirdest little freak I've ever seen. It's a little guy that looks like he's made out of rocks or, like.

Out of bubbles. Bubbles or tumors or something. Gardula just has a little weirdo to fight off any sort of force wielders. Gardula says, did you really think after what happened to Jabba, I would not take my own precautions against those who use the force? That's the newest salamary. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Now, my favorite thing in this issue is from earlier when he first learns about the hard life Darth Vader lived. Vene, who again is like this guy from this episode, is explaining that he, that, that, that, uh, that, uh, Vader's life was really, really hard. And so, you know, that's kind of what he studied. It was the catalyst for Vader becoming who he was, was living through terrible situations. And so there's this page where he's narrating about how bad Vader's life was. And it ends with him going, I'm sure you can relate, Kylo Ren. You were also very powerful. I guess, I would guess that from your, that's from your earlier days, or I guess that from your earlier days, you too, And then he says, walked a path of pain.

And we get this incredible two-page image of all of the joyous, nice, kind things that Kylo Ren went through as a kid. We get him, like, celebrating, like, with the fam, like, having Thanksgiving dinner. We get him, like, spray painting R2D2 and learning how to use the force and hanging out with Lando. Sitting on Chubacca's shoulder. Yeah. This is. And then he says back to Von A, he goes, of course I did, of course. You're fucking loser.

So shout out to this comic feels like a Norm MacDonald joke. It really does. Kylo Ren origin story. This is called Legacy of Vader for people who want to go read it. I have enjoyed it so far. It's very fun to have young Kylo being kind of, a disappointment, you know, because that's who he is. Yes.

Anyway, there's a guy like this here. It was going to be Vane originally, but they, you know, classic Star Wars didn't want to commit to it being him for various reasons just in case they needed to use him in a different way. I think his outcome in Rogue One was up in the air for some time. And so they didn't want to double down to say he'd definitely be here. So instead we get this guy who is very important because he leads to the appearance. of someone else we haven't seen yet in rebels, huh?

It's time. Oh, boy. Sorry, I was like, who else shows up? I forgot. Who else shows up? Depictions. Depictions could count as an appearance. This is an appearance?

Can I say, when those floodlights came on, yeah. I, I, for a moment, I felt myself leave my own body and look at myself, looking at the TV. Talking about the thing you're talking about.

Oh, what are you talking about? Sheave is in this episode. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. No. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking Sheave shows up.

I was like, you're talking about the Mortis family? No. She was here. Finally. This was joy. This was pure joy. I was just,

I was reveling in this. I was just like, I was a pig in the mud just rolling around. Mmm delicious shout out I do think it's spoiled

by having to listen to Sheev say the words mortis Yes This is the end of Jaris It's just like Palpatine doesn't know about any of this bullshit It's so funny

It's yeah what exactly This stuff isn't getting escalated to his level Apparently it is I can buy that the Indiana Jones DigSight thing is happening But I think there's like a million dig sites happening Where he's just trying to like dig up shit But this is the scale thing we keep talking about

With the rebellion too It's like this version of Star Wars is so small Compared to what we grew up thinking it was This is the dig site that's happening apparently You know? This is the one This is like what in in Sheaves like Plot list

This is like one column I am with you though He's like the death of Canaan Jaris has altered the fate of Lothal. Shut up. You knew who cana was a little baby boy. I guess he knew. He has a list of all the Jedi.

He knows Canaan. He probably keeps a list of like everybody who the Inquisitors. He knows who the Inquisitors fought and died against probably. But I still think it, it just makes it all feel small. It does. It really does. Instead of making it feel big, it makes the world feel small. Yeah.

And yeah, the exact line, I think. He's altered the fate of Lothal. Who care? Like, is this Palpatine, like, he's got to be working on Death Star program. But the Death Star is nothing compared to the power of the force. And I think that, like, this is the thing that Faloni and George before him really, really believed. It's just that we never, the power of the force was always something ambiguous and personal.

And now it's historical. And it's the Mortis family. He says he's interested in a conduit between the living and the living. dead and then he says proceed minister hyden or this is before the mortis he says the mortis family before this huh when does he say it what's he exactly say about the mortis family he says the mortis gods the mortis gods that's wild i never want to say god i never wanted to hear she've said the word god in my life he's not allowed to do that uh uh yeah he see the the guy shows the image of the mortis family and he's like ah yeah the the images i

found it looked like something we found in the jenni archives and shev says the mortis gods as if he'd also watched that episode it literally feels like that it feels like he was there in season four five or whatever whatever that fuck that was uh-huh i mean i can totally watch those 22 minutes. Does a little hypnotism, does some recovered memory shit with Anakin. Maybe that, you know. Maybe, yeah, maybe that's true. You lost time?

I'd be curious know what happened there. Oh, my boy. Look into the watch. Did you know you'd seen the great tragedy that was to become your life? It's very funny. It was all because Padma died. Yeah. God.

Then nothing else. Yeah. Yeah. this was the episode also was like lighting on the shit got really good though when they hit the floods like do I know

what a fill light is versus a key light no but I think the fills and the keys were both putting in work throughout this episode the Storm Trooper armor looking good

the death trooper armor like little detail the Stormtrooper armor is like flat black plastic lenses the death trooper lenses have this a little bit of iridescent sheen to them as if they have like a

weird coating or they just like it screams more advanced. Something about it is just like these guys have the better optics, the better gear. It's cool little details throughout this. And you really see those details paying off when you get

you really have to take in that Greek Orthodox portrayal of the Trinity. Yeah. It is It really is. They have, like, the halos around their hands. A little, little, like, double halos. Raising the little, like, two fingers with the, like, the golden, like, light of God, light of heaven around them.

It's great. And then Ezra's like, how to fist and. What was the other one? It's two hands. It's the father has his hand open and up, palm, and then it's like fist. And then over this way, please. Just like over here. Yeah.

I'm just kind of like, it's almost like peace, but the hands are, the hands are, the fingers are closed and the ring finger and pinky aren't pulled all the way in. She's kind of like over there now, you know? Yeah. And this is what the floodlights that Natalie, you were talking about, revealed. Cthunk, the Mortis family is here. I'm just, I, I, I, I'm just mad about it. I'm just, I, like, I'm just mad. I'm, I knew, we all knew it was coming.

We all, we said it so many times. We're like, Mortis is coming back, Mortis is coming back, Mortis is coming back. And the fact that it's specifically coming back, it's not like Adventure on Mortis. No, no, it's like, the plot of the show. This is the end of the fucking, this is the end of rebels is on Mortis. Is Ezra going to be the balance keeper of, remember? Oh, maybe, yeah. They were like

If they were going to do that They should have played in more When he was all like Darksided a little bit And he's like found the balance between them Instead of just kind of dropping that point You know what I agree I agree

Could have been more great Jedi felt Maybe if maybe the balance is going to like Reassembling like maybe he'll be the Sister to Calcastas his brother Oh right I see Oh Oh The one will be the third

Who's the father of the three then Of the new three We don't know. The wolf. Caningers as wolf. No, obviously it would be Grogu. Grogu is the new father of the force.

Yeah, the new holy family. But it's just a baby. Well, for now. It's an inversion. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. My two dads. And it's Calcestis and Ezra. And the Ma and my two dads is Grogu.

Yeah. Yeah. The fact that they're like, as I was like, oh, I know that owl. That owl is from, that's Asoka's, whenever Asoka was around, the owl would show up. Cool. Cool. That's funny. By the way, Asoka, what the fuck happened to her?

We have no idea. She died. She died in the temple. As far as they know, she's dead on Malacor. We saw her spirit descending deeper into the temple. Maybe she did die. Maybe she died. We don't know.

Well, we do know because she was in the Mandalorian, but I'm maybe I'm so good. I forgot she was in the Mandalorian. She shows up and is like, Grogu's sucks. It was like, this is so mean. Why? Here's a question. Why don't they ever say, and that other guy, that's the Grand Inquisitor? Because it looks like it's the Grand Inquisitor.

They have the same face paint on. Yeah. Hey, why is that guy here? Of course. We all know Jerrik, the Dark Jedi. From Dark Forces, too. Well, that hasn't happened yet, Rob. Right.

So. So I will say, Ezra, you know, finally remembers he can do force powers and does the sort of like, even the death troopers. What do you think? Oh, yeah, he does that. That's great. So I thought you're talking about a different force power usage. I think you're talking about, so they force power talk their way past the stormtroopers and death troopers to get to the mural and look at it. They take off their masks to conveniently show us their faces, which is, that's just good television.

And then he's like, she's like, Sabina's like, go open the door. Like, go open whatever this mural is. This mural's blocking the doorway into the Jedi temple. You have to let us in. And he's like, but the last time I did it, Canaan said it always takes two, a master and an apprentice, which one made me go, ooh, rule of two, that's interesting. That's not what we think of it with being it's tied to the Jedi at all normally. There's always a master and always an apprentice. But two, I was like, is he going to take Sabine on as his apprentice?

Because we've seen her use the lights. We've seen her use the dark saber before. And also, is that like the sort of replication of the previous relationship? He's lost Canaan, so he has to kind of become Canaan and become the tutor. We stitch up the failing of his, like, rooting against her while she was training with the Dark Saber. And also we're getting the kind of like the Mandalorians and the Jedi or like. like, re-nitting their relationship, you know,

relationship after eons of war, et cetera, like through the two of them. That's kind of where it felt like it was going. No, he's just going to open the door by himself. It doesn't take two. It takes one. Maybe Canaan is still the other one, but just like as the wolf spirit, you know?

The Jedi realized this needed a single player mode. It did. So, uh, he goes up and, like, realizes, oh, I can put my hand where the hand is. God damn it. And that'll activate cool animation mode. And while he's figuring this out, Sabine gets busted.

I thought she'd have any sort of maneuver here, but doesn't. She just goes with it. Why couldn't he have just come back and been like, hey, force, you don't need to bother us. You need to fuck off and let us mess around with this mural. Yeah. We need to fuck off and let these kids mess with this mural. Like, why couldn't he do that? And so he just hides.

And let's get arrested. And then she just got just brought me. Just like Canaan would. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Oh, just like he did in Canaan, you're saying. He chokes, yeah. Ben Simmons of the Jedi.

He can't take the shot. It's like, do you even like this anymore? Well, he has other places to be. A Roadrunner cartoon. Yeah, that does happen. That's where he has to be. I know we are very anti-mortis. I don't want to undersell the cool work done with suddenly the murals are

animating in a new different visual style. Oh, the image is coming wild. It looks cool. It looks great. Yeah, yeah. And we got something like that during the Dark Sabre lore drop earlier at the beginning of the season or the end of last season or whatever. And that was cool. So I'm glad they're continuing to explore with that stuff or experiment with that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's cool. Like when the portrait sort of seems to regard him and is like this way. And the wolves come to life and they start trotting around the gold leaf filigree, like the gold filigree is like sort of following them around. You get the cool. In case you didn't know how awesome this was, though. We do have Zeb and Hara commenting on how awesome and wild this is

because they're up there with the mac or binoculars. I think the painting's moving. And he's like, no. And then. Huh. It is. It is moving. And the wolves, the wolves gather. And they start racing in a circle faster and faster.

And Ezra says, see you later, suckers. and runs through runs into the stone which becomes like liquid he can just pass through the stone Sabine tells him to run so it's not like he's abandoning her she's cool

being busted and he runs in there and then the stormtrooper it's like after him you fools I do like the bit with stormtroopers like look at each other is like yeah

run at the wall I guess we're gonna run at the wall and they get wily coyote they do because he jumps into a portal formed by the running wolves and, yeah. And they run into a rock wall.

Yeah. Yeah. So why do you think they're dark-sided? Oh, because the wolves are standing with the brother. They're on both sides. They frame the picture. They're also on the bottom left side. If you go to wherever 642 left in the episode,

you can see them on the bottom left next to the daughter, too. 642 left Yeah I'm examining I'm examining the evidence They're in between the legs They're between the legs of the storm trooper I'm looking closely

642 You could even go back to 650 something It looks like If you want to I'm I'm not lying Yeah It's while Sabine is getting arrested

Yeah They're just there They're just surrounding they're framing, I bet I could find a better image of this just all together somewhere. Let's see when the floodlights come on. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I think that they're just force wolves. I say this because there's that bit earlier on. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. There's that bit earlier on where someone is like, I'm just glad they're on our side. And Ezra's like, they're on Lothal side. Lothal side. Well, that's why. Is that a different? Is there a difference? Let's hope not.

yeah that's why i actually it was because of that that when i saw them because it's specifically the wolves that are standing next to the brother that uh that we see leave first that we see leave first and that's why i thought back to it and i was like oh it's not that the wolves have like in the way that i think we were talking about this last episode in the way that like nature is not good or evil, but it can be destructive. And that's like a part of mortis when mortis is like, when the animals are being explained to, I forget, maybe it's like Asoka,

it figures it out that like it's not that they're evil. It's just that you need both sides of the force and some creatures are like more inherently darksided, but it doesn't mean that they're like, right necessarily yeah i don't know but i stand corrected yeah there's a what there is a wide shot that shows like all of them on both sides leaving also which is which is actually probably where i realize this the first time but um yeah you know yeah i see i see my mistake an easy mistake to make because it is they do zoom in on the right ones first but but yeah they do leave

from the direct like they depart the image they well the hand specifically goes to to, like, the father's hand drops and almost points at the son's hand, right? The son's closed fist. But that could be read a bunch of ways, right? That could be, that could be like, there's an imbalance. The dark side is here and is dangerous. You have to go intercede, you know. But yeah, he's in that damn wall and they went through that then.

The end. I mean, what can we, we can't say too much yet on the actual, on, on, on what more, we don't know what's coming next. Do you think he's on mortis in the next episode? Yes. I think we're going to wake up and it's going to be the fucking father and he's going to be like, hello, my son, he's having a temper tantrum again and it's throwing off the balance of the force and the last time a guy was here, he almost saved us, but then he left because he missed his wife. So please, please stay and balance the force because you are maidenless you have no girl

damn do we think Ezra even ever comes out my hope oh that's a good thought okay that would explain why he's not in the war are weak okay Dan Ezra

Dan Ezra they come out with them little Chanel boots on them little Luke Skywalker Johns yes you know the Jenna journey man He's got to go find his way It's true, it's true Do you think that that's it?

He gets stuck in there And so That's all right He doesn't show up when it's He's fighting the most important battle of them all He's up there with God's strongest warriors Fighting for the For the source of the force

He'd love to be here Issauga in there? Because she went deeper into the Jedi temple This is, that sounds right? And that's how that's interesting. And the bird that was always with her? The bird is always with her. Oh, the wolves are trying to find the bird.

The wolves are looking for the bird because they're hungry to eat it. Well, no, because they're friends. I'm joking. Yeah, they're friends. Okay. I want to watch these episodes right now. I don't want to. I know.

I want to be done. Here's the, so I will just say like, did you watch a head rob? No. Okay. I just am not thrilled. Like, Mortis was never my favorite stuff. No, me either. It's all, this is Mortis, this is Mortis to hell.

Uh-huh. And I'm a little bummed that also, like, Canaan died to open up the Mortis subplot again. Like, that's kind of, like, it's, it's a beloved character, sacrificed to everything. What did he die for? Well, to his friends, but really the important thing was he kicked off. for return to this whole mortis concept.

And I'm a little bit bummed. It's like, oh, man, I just don't, I don't, when Palpatine was like, this has altered the fate of Lothal and the mortis gods. And I'm like, God damn it, this is like, it's like the force equivalent of like Mandelor in some ways where this stuff is so important to the Star Wars universe. Yeah.

Never heard of it before, but it's like critical. Yeah. And that is kind of how I feel about the Morat's stuff. It does feel like we're losing the resistance story at the very end of the resistance. It's like rebellion, resistance, bringing a rebellion together, like the show that is allegedly about, you know, forming a resistance movement is totally gone. And it's sad because I think Canaan, I don't. said canis Canaan dying.

Oh, it was there from the beginning. God damn. Canish Jaron. Canis Jaron. Canis Lupus Jaron. Canaan? Caden dying was like the last moment

in which it felt like a resistance. Sorry, I just need to, because other people may not have gotten there until a second later like I did. Canaan like canine. I see. Oh, because he's a dog now. Because he's a dog now. Wow

Symbols are everywhere There are miracles everywhere This is what you need to sit here is I mean sorry I would take Sateen at this point Here's what I was going to say What if we watch the first minute Of the final thing together

Let's do it let's do it Just like the open Just to see Just one minute Just one minute One minute of the final What? of the next episode.

Because it's a two-partner. Do you know what I mean? The first one minute of the next episode. Or the first, like, you know, until the rebels hits. Do you know what I mean? Until it goes like, yeah, yeah,

the cold open. Let me make sure I'm, let me get. Do you want to stream into us? I'll stream it to you. That'll be the easiest. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Give me a second to, all right, are we ready for the first minute or whatever of a world between worlds. That sounds like going to be up. This is, this is like we're at our own, like fan fest type thing. It is.

But Austin's like, you ready, hey. Hey, AMCA panel and listeners, you ready to watch the first minute of this seven-year-old cartoon episode? Okay. Are we ready? Yeah, let's go. Three, two, one.

Truly wonderful, the line. No! No! That's Yoda. I'm glad we had this together. Quigod's talking. That's Asoka. We are doing 60s open credit sequence.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking are you? That's Obi-Wan. That's from that episode. Damn. Damn. There's the portal. Oh, and you see the stormtroopers.

You could, yeah. Blurry through the background. He's getting sunny day to avoid it. Oh my god, they're gonna study to avoid us. It's... Colonel Gascon or whatever is gonna be here. I'm a little frog. Welcome, welcome to Mortis, soldier.

Where the fuck is this? This is like crazy. Oh, I'm gonna skate on that. I don't even skate. That's Alec Guinness. That's... This ain't Mortis. That's from...

That's what we hope. The Force of Space Mountain. All right. Well, there, we have Forces Space Mountain. Wow. All right. Yeah, the Force is. I want to keep watching this.

Okay. I can't believe that the first second, the first second of that was fucking Yoda. I, and if I were alone for that, I would have turned the TV off and walked away. So I'm glad we were here together for that because that, that would have been. in my, that would have been a straw, let's say, a straw on my back. I understand. Maybe the last one. Man, I'm glad though we at least introduced all these portals and these like linked

passages through the worlds just in time for Andor season two to reveal that him and Jen were pulled through one of those. At the last, man, we've not opened the possibility. What if, what if, what if, um, Ezra is like, I have one more thing I need to do? and he, like, jumps through a portal and grabs them and pulls them in at the end. It's like space jam. It's like space. That's what he said.

For, like, saving the E. For, like, saving Star Wars. Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, he's just going to bounce between portals. They jump through time to right after. Revision history, ever, historying the anything we didn't ever like about Star Wars. Yeah.

That's why we, there are no Jedi in the future because Ezra going picks up Calcesses. He goes, picks up He picks everyone up Yeah, they're just chilling Yeah, Quinlan's in this dark space They're all having beers In the space, in the space

God Okay, well End of End of Endor Season 2 is like Ezra and door They all start tumbling out Yeah Right at like the inception

Of the first order Like they emerge on like Their star killer base then They murk hucks Like shot to the back of a head. Everything from there is like,

yeah. The new canon. This is where the canon diverges. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was the like Faustian bargain that Tony had to make with, with,

it made it with Faloni. Faloni sat him down in a room in the dark and he was like, I'm going to let you do whatever you want to do with Anna or you can do anything. You want to like have someone record Sabine's a genocide from Sabine's super weapon and he was to torture a character.

I already forgot that. You can do that. But it has to end with Andor going through time being led by Ezra and murking all the people I think have ruined the sequels. I need to save the sequels again. They won't let me do it directly. But you have the free reign. This is the one thing I ask. You have to end the show with that.

And then we'll splinter the timeline and we'll get a new set of sequels altogether led by Faloni. I think that's where we're going. Hmm. Yeah. You know who else is there? Who's that? Kino Loi. Kino Loi is there.

Yeah, he lived actually. Yeah, he lived actually. Well, because he's like, I can't swim, but eventually he has to jump. Right. And as he jumps, the portal is open. And as we're like, I'm putting a team together. Yeah. Yeah.

And then he gets Miles Morales back. The Doctor Strange portal. Yeah. Miles Morales comes through and he's like, where am I? And he's like, well, your movie's not getting finished anytime soon. So we figured we could use me for a little while. Yeah. You're all actually a part of our.

latest hero shooter. Star Wars Bibles. The Avengers music starts playing the portals. You're opening up. If this, ah, I hate it. I don't like it. And everyone comes out riding a wolf. That's right.

Yeah. And then we go into the portal and then we go back to the Star Cruiser. Oh, yay! It's good now. God. Do you see there's a Galactic Star Cruiser documentary

being crowdfunded? did the Halcyon days. I'm pretty sure I watched like a three hour or four hours documentary already on YouTube. Oh yeah? Like what? Yeah, but this left to be done. There's more stories to tell. This one is like loving about

it I think instead of Hey, maybe that wasn't as good as it could have been. I backed it. I want to see it. I haven't backed it yet. I need to. Is it still backable? I think it's backable. Okay. Is there a reward tier where we get to go on a star cruise recreation? I don't think so. That's the office building now or whatever. There's a reward where you can

like go to dinner with the with the directors or something. I think we already did that. Maybe they were there. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. They might have been there. We should go to that funny desert one though. We should. We should. That one, I don't know, man. Every single like, this is a Star Wars adventure, like sort of like the Star Cruiser, every single one of them feels like Glasgow willie Wonka. Oh. Like the strong, like, even the ones like we're, like, this is like glamping,

but it's Star Wars. I'm like, I just don't trust it. Yeah. I believe. I believe. I'm a believer. Maybe. Well, anyway.

With that, we've reached the end of another episode of a more civilized age, but the start of a new era in Star Wars and rebels as we journey into the space between worlds. A world between worlds. Which does sound like Mortis. We're going to a world between worlds.

And then we got a very Ezra-focused episode. A fool's hope. A fool's hope. That's us. That's us every week. This time. And then a two-parter family reunion and farewell. Those are characters in the thumbnail who are not going to be in Mortis or whatever.

So they're at the very least going to be... back on Lothal or with the rebellion or something, you know? Zeb is going to be like. Ezra fights Palpatine in Mortis. Ezra's not going to fucking fight Palpatine. Palpatine would wash that kid. I imagine if Ezra beats Palpatine and then it's like, but I don't believe in killing.

So I'm going to let you live. Simead would want me to do this. I can't make the worst ending. No. the man I love wouldn't kill a defeated enemy like this I just be like well we're done that's a wrap

oh my god I bet we get through we get through Mortis next time and then we get like we gotta get one you know for Canaan this one's for Canaan you know it's gonna be somebody like comically punching someone

no but they're gonna beat Governor Price going to free Lothal. Yeah. We're going to get, Ryder Azadi is going to be the new president of Lothal or whatever. Didn't Zeb already say

that one was for Canaan? But we already said Zep doesn't count anymore. Zep doesn't matter to the show. They're going to forget that he said it. And they're going to say, they're going to let Ezra say it. He's enjoying Callis and Rex on the ash heat. That's right.

Exactly. You know who we haven't fucking gotten though I want to get again is the other boys. I want the boys to be back in town again. They will never be in town again. I don't know about that. They are too busy. That's what I want.

Cato, I put in the boys zero right in that moment. Thank you. I can send it to you if you need it. And of course, our show is produced by Chia Contreras and supported by our listeners at patreon.com slash civilized. Until next time, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice. And remember, if you really like the mortis stuff and all this stuff was like, this was the most meaningful part of Rebels to me,

that's valid like I love that I love that you had that relationship with these episodes that's cool imagine I said that but sound less condescending do you love it I love that for you AMCA we love that for you Oh, is he bug or is he insect? He is actually giving bug. He's giving bug. You would think that it would be insect, but the way in which he's like, his jumps have a little... Do you know who he's like?

The imp... Hmm. Yoda. He fights like Yoda. I literally thought that. I literally wrote that down in my notes. I said, this is giving Yoda when he was fighting. Screenshot it.

Screenshot it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. The truth is too strong. Wait, what's happening? Everyone's frozen. It's too strong. Yoda reached through the world. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's happening? Yoda reached through the mortis door, the wolf ring.

Oh, we have to watch those fucking episodes. Look again? No, just, no, I meant the next ones. Hi, are you back? I think I'm back. I hope I'm back. You froze exactly when I said the word Yoda and you went, ah, and then froze. I was saying I literally, well, it's on my, it's on my audio file, but I was saying I literally had that exact note.

I said, this is giving Yoda fighting Palpatine. Literally. I wrote that down in my notes.