A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 113: Telos: Citadel Station Pt. 2 & Landing on Telos (KOTOR II 04)

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

You can watch Austin play through this section of the game right here. This week, our various Jedi exiles are forced to pick a side in ongoing dispute on Citadel Station. Should we back the new age-y Ithorians who have a little knowledge, a lot of heart, and no resourcing? Or well-funded, profit-minded (put poorly budgeted) Czerka? Hard choice, I know. But what if I told you that one of these pathways introduces one of the greatest droids of all time... Next Time: The Underground Base, the Polar Plateau, and the Secret Acadmey Show Notes Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Chia Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zackney, joined by Aliaq Kampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are, as always supported by you, our listeners, via patreon.com slash civilized. So head over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all our Q&A episodes. So this week, Chodo Hobat tells me that Kanox, the athorians, released on Tilos, keep in his workers. So I asked how many workers he has. And he says he just requisitioned

the Republic for new workers afterwards. So I said it sounds like he's just feeding workers with Kanax with extra steps and then Moses started crying. Am I the asshole for getting all those dark side points? Oh boy. If you made Mozo cry, you are the asshole because Mozo is precious to me

and I love him. Did we, did we, who sided with the authorities and who sided with Zerke? I couldn't Scyla Zerka. They had no sauce. They had no sauce. Allie? Yes, finally.

Someone does something bad. I did my feelings, okay? I don't want to be cured. Get away from me, all right? You caught all their new age shit and you were like, get that away from me. Say away from her and by her, I mean me. Wow. I feel bad about it.

I had a really dorky play through. I don't feel good about anything that I did. Um, and it's fine. Oh. I feel like a lot of dorky stuff happens on this space station, to be honest. Oh, yeah. Like, I was sort of writing up the summary here. And, and the, this quest that happened on the, on the station before you wrap it up and head down to the planet surface, it's like all the criminal masterminds of Tilo station face their respective Reichenbach falls.

And they're all the, it's all the dumbest shit. you've ever seen. It is like the Adidas and Puma brothers. Puma is like, I need a bunch of contraband. You can just go to the, like, it's like, do you ever want an RPG quest where you're one of the feds, like framing kids for terrorism?

This is basically that. Did you write him out? Oh, look, I was in a hurry. I didn't want, like, I was like, Austin. Yeah, no, I get it. I could have done a three-step quest to legitimately get him smuggling contraband. Yeah.

Or I could go to Officer Gren and be like, I just need a box full of contraband so we can book this guy. And he was like, let's do it. I did the first two parts of that quest to unlock more of his inventory. Did not do the third part. I was like, I'll steal for you a little bit. I'll deal a little bit of drugs for you. But I'm not going to step past my true final line.

I forget what that even was. I forget what his third request was. But I was like, I'm not. The third request is accompanying him on an escort mission in which you kill. multiple That's right And I in fact Did do it

And recorded it And it's on the Let's play But then I loaded the save And went back To right before I did that And I said Let's not go that far

Well I'll take a cutting For you from the Special plant It's fine They all said it would be fine If I took one cutting I'll do that That's no big deal

You know And then like You know You get embroiled with Luxa Oh she's got She wants to bring down the Bumani exchange

from the inside. And it's just like, she basically books you a meeting. She goes into, she goes into Slusk's like Google calendar and puts get murdered by the exile on it. And everyone's like, shit, like I didn't realize

she was getting murdered by the exile today at a lot. We got to let them in. Yeah. And then everyone just converges and it's like betrayals all around and big fight. Uh, I heard we missed something here. If you didn't so did any of us try to just fight our way into the exchange you should do the you should do the summary so that people who are not playing along or watching along have some

idea of what we're fucking talking about yeah so uh we we talked about the lady in the uh line dance the kick uh the kick line dancers uniform with the boostie uh we we talked about her where she was like maybe maybe we'll talk later about some business and the businesses she wants to overthrow the exchange's representative on the station, a slimy quarian named slusk. And nobody can get into see him. The athorians want you to get into see him so get in to see him so you can negotiate basically like him getting out of their way for doing their doing their business. But she can just book you a meeting.

You go in there. You kill a bunch of his guards. And then she shows up and is like, well, now. I guess you need to kill me. Like, that's basically it. Yeah. Then you kill her. Yeah.

If you want to get in there before that, I mean, there might be a number of ways to get in there. I mean, Zirka might send you in there too. I think the Thorians effectively send you in there at a certain point. Like, that's why you have to go to Luxa to then be let in, basically. But you could just kill the guard out front if you want some dark side points. And I didn't know that. And apparently, each time you do, if you leave and come back, they got a new guy out there. No.

You can farm the doorman? You can farm. It's literally, Allie. I churned out like three or four of these guys. Because when Harris was staying with me, he was like, I think at a certain point, like, either they stop hiring people or the guy is just like, could you please not kill me? But I, you get to like two or three before they, because like you keep being like, do you know what happened to the last guy who said no to me?

He's like, they wrote lines for this. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, and he's like, yeah, I know that you killed him, but I just, I can't let you win, man. And then it just keeps being like, well, then I guess you're going to die. And so it's either, I guess, I guess you're going to die or I'm going now or something like that. And every time it's either just kill this guy or walk away peacefully. All that extra XB you're getting.

Yeah, I think you only get dark side points. Are you getting extra dark side? I think you only get it for the first time, or at least I only call. it triggering the first time. I really thought that I would be farming dark side points, but I am not. That's very funny. Wow.

I mean, honestly, if you are like, I love losing doormen outside the Bumani, I feel like that should be a lot of dark side points, piling up. Okay, but this might be a clerk's, the guys who are on, who are working on the death,

the contractors on the death star, know what the fuck they're getting into, and they've taken their own lives in their own hands at that point. You're working for the Bimani Exchange. We've seen what they get up to. It's no good. You know? But there's only three stores. There's two, technically the other, what is we going? Really? Are they

even criminals? There's a whole other station around. You have to fill in the gaps with your brain. You see where those shovels are going. There's more on the station. We just don't fucking go there for some reason. We're in residential 082. There's 81 other residential zones on the space station.

Who knows what the exchange is getting up to it's probably way worse this is like this is where it's chill they have fast travel here they were able to like get things under control enough to to establish fast travel between between areas any other area of the station you're walking you're walking and you're probably getting your ass killed on the way there I don't know well also like the fast travel points are not super well laid out like for all the I had to go see the cops. The fact I had to go to that, like, liminal space

and then remember which ramp goes up to the cop shop? Or is it left or is it right? Or is it that? Ah, fuck. I'm in the shuttle. I'm in the docking bay now. That's not where I'm supposed to be. Oh, shit.

I didn't move the camera and I hit ass to start walking. And I just walked right back into the loading zone. And now I was going back. Rob, I've been, uh, I've been doing rooms where nothing happens. Not a thing. It's like the fucking, it's like the new train terminal at the, the old post office. Well, people will just walk in circles in there, basically, and you can go up and talk to them

and they just say nothing. They say, you know, the negotiations have been breaking down or something, you know? I wish that there would, like, I, if there was a restoration mod or something that, like, felt like people were coming and going or, like, a show that took place in the space, because it really just feels like being stuck in the airport or in Florida where the hotel is attached. Oh, yeah. Because there's nothing to do. There's nowhere to go.

There's a few apartments that you can hang out in. But I, like, just feel deeply sad for everybody who's there. I think that's right, though. I think this place sucks. This is a spaceport. This is an airport terminal. Yeah. You know, this is an airport.

For a place you can't go. Like, you can't go down to Telos. Right. Because it's the restoration project. It's, like, under construction. It's the airport next to the new build suburban town. Right. Except there's nothing to do.

It's being built over where the bomb dropped. You know, like it's, the vibes are off on this place. And they have to ship in other plants, new plants. They have to ship in new animals to the suburban area. My confidence level plummeted when I, like legitimately, we get down the surface and it's like, so the planet is overrun with these wild boars that are killing everything on site because the athorians just brought them in to do population management

on the herbivores, but they ate all the herbivores and now they're eating workers. I was like, are the athorians just like doing vibes-based biome reconstruction? I'm sure that Zirka got in the way. I think the Anthorians have a great plan and they just keep getting thwarted by Svorka.

Svorka. Zwerka over and over again. That's, that's simply. If we would just let the athorians do what they do best, which is environmental rehabilitation and reconstruction, there would be no overgrowth of the wild boars. It kind of feels to me like they're trying to fix like climate change and population loss by looking at like children's pictures of Noah's Ark, like in a children's illustrated Bible. okay so you need the lions got it the giraffes uh-huh uh and cows great i think that's that's what was here before right and then we'll plant some 20 wolves 20 wolves and some mercenaries we're gonna we have no way of stopping the mercenaries and their their minefields so i i do think that this is like

top you know top level obsidian cynicism at work what are your two options oh uh strip mining and fracking or well-intentioned ecologists who come from a place where they could not possibly have learned enough or have the resources to do this right, right? Like, they probably do a good job on authoritarian home worlds. They probably understand how to do this work there. It's probably why they were given the initial contract to begin with. They don't have the resources.

The Republic doesn't have the resources. They're not from here. They don't know what it's actually like here. Poudre is doing his best. It might not be good enough. But I don't think Zerka has it either. And so you end up in a situation where it's a little hopeless, you know. We know who's running Zirka here, and she does not have it.

I'm sure the documentation for Telos is not great. Like, I'm sure that there were not, there's not great. The confluence does not have good docs on how to get things going again. Can I see the master plan document? They ain't one. The Bible is in the middle of the crater, in the middle of the crater, in the middle of the bomb crater on Tilos. There is nothing.

There is nothing to go off of. Rob, do you have an overall summary for this to get everybody up to speed before we get too lost in the weeds here? Oh, we were going through it and then we just got side. There's so much to get sidetracked.

I know, there is. So the other thing is the athorians need your help, you know, because really we can, they blame everything on Zirka. There's those bounties we learned about. There's whistleblower. Zirka is a hemorrhers.

like confidential information. That guy who's been on the run, Batono, he's out there and he's going to blow the whistle. It's like the movie, The Insider. It's just like that. You find him like hold up in a hotel room and you're like, you got to tell your stories. Like, they'll kill me.

And you're like, no, they won't. Because I'm here. You walk out the door and they do indeed just show up immediately and try to kill him. But good news, you're there. Yeah. And then, like, you walk into the Zerka offices, they're just helping

like two wanted criminals just get out of there don't worry buddies Zirka Corp thanks you for your illegal services and all those crimes and that means of course the police can finally do something

about Zirka then right when you report that back that immediately jumps into that Gren is like they're too clever for us we need proof I literally saw them walking down to the space

to the landing bay that is just not going to do my friend we need iron we need a smoking gun one of them had a gun that was smoking I love talking to Lorso about this and she's like

well you were a criminal a couple days ago there's nothing about with these guys they're my employees now I offered them safe transport that's kind of loyalty you know that's kind of girl bossing she's taking care you know what she doesn't believe in the carceral system

here on TELAS. She understands that it's, you know, systemically corrupt, institutionally, devoid of any sense of justice. So, you know, she's taking action. But that's my shuttle ticket. It is here. Like, what's going on?

Wait, she might give you. Okay, Rob, finish your thing. We have many questions. I'd have never done the Zerka side. I'm very curious. So then, you got to get the evidence to blow the lid off this thing. Like, if you just get the,

if you just show the Republic, you show the council what's going on here with Zirka, Someone's going to have to do something, right? And so you need to get evidence off their mainframe, and the way to do that is to get the little greeter droid, B44, to be reprogrammed to go steal this information for you. If you go do that, we discover that B44 has a chaotic streak, but so do all the Zerka droids, because B44 nearly a...

caught by an astromac and he logic puzzles the astromac into a major workplace shooting and then he steals the information and then zirka basically gets kicked off the station after after trying to kill the athorians lots of fights happen oh lots of it doesn't it feel like they forgot that they were supposed to be fighting in this game for two hours and like ah shit add another fight before you can leave this planet. Let's put another room with six guys on it. Yep. Just keeps logging.

Yep. And then they're not going to make that mistake down on Telos. Once you follow, like, once you've done all these quests, the Thorians are like, we thank you so much for your help. Here's where we think the, uh, the Evan Hawk is. Uh, let's have a prayer circle and try to heal you. Your wound is as, as to the planet. That's how big your, your grief is at being severed from the force. And my guy's like, yeah, totally.

I got an extra force point out of the prayer circle. Yeah. And then you go down on the planet, your shuttle gets shot down, and you meet Bauder, who's kind of your boring technician so far, but he remembers you from your days with the Sith. Or maybe with the general, who knows, but he calls you general. Yeah, he does call you general. And he does call you general with you on Malacor. Yeah.

And then he explains that, yeah, the planet's overrun with these predators. Zirka has basically taken over the landing size so the authorities can't do anything. We have to figure out a way to disable the air defense system to find the Ebenhawk, do scans, blah, blah, blah. There's interference on the scans. We have to go into, and this is where we leave off,

the secret to recovering the Ebenhawk and, like, you know, regaining our freedom of movement. We have to go into this old military base. One quick thing, Zerka keeps sending mercenaries in this old military. military base, but nobody ever comes out. It's true. I'm going to say this like six times this episode.

I'm very excited for what happens next. Not immediately next, but in our next episode, we're going to be getting into some stuff. So, whew. Where do we want to come back in? Allie, you were going to say something about Lorso, because you did the Zerka side of this. Rob, Natalie, and I also. sided with the Athorians, which means sending B4D4, B44 in to get this info. What happens for Zerka?

How does it diverge? So what you end up doing for Zerca is you go and get the droid from the docking bay. People still attack you for some reason. I think I might have triggered it because I told the Athorians I would get the droid for them, even though I knew I wasn't. you bring the droid back you just lie to the droid and basically make him do what you want him to

and then Lorzo is like you know that's great that you did that for me and that you wanted to go down and look for your ship but I also don't want the exchange to be here anymore so on behalf of her you go talk to Lexa help Lexa kill her boss

Lexa kills you anyway. No conversation about that for some reason. You didn't get like, you didn't get like a back and forth at the like the end of that. You know, you can't convince her not to, to be clear. She just like talks her shit and then you fight her. But did you not even get that? Not really. I think the only, the only thing that I, option that I got to stop her.

Well, because she was like, well, I want to be a part of the exchange. So I have to kill you now. Right. Because you have that bounty on you. It did not really seem like there was a pathway at all to not having that happen. Yeah, there's no way to keep Luxa alive, is there? I don't think so. No.

It's just women killing women, which we just hate to see. We hate to see a girl boss fall. She could have been the girl boss of the century. Yeah. Well, if you think this game is done with traditionally attractive women, dying or otherwise, there's a lot coming. Oh, no. Well, not all of them.

I really wanted Luxa to join our little troupe here. I was really hoping for that. Oh, that she'd be like our like criminal team member, I see. Or at least that she wouldn't immediately like just bite it, like crash on takeoff. Yeah, she didn't have the juice. Like all she had to do was just chill. all she had to do is be like thanks so much

here's your here's what we know your ship is we'll get you down to the planet thanks for taking care of my boss it's it's time for a new boss in town like she could have even gloated a little bit about how she got you to do the things she won't you know what I mean but I would just left it would have been fine

it's like you're in a world where everyone wants to like go turn in a bounty on like Anton Chigger from the country yeah like you're standing there literally like knee deep in dudes this guy just killed and you're like

ha ha ha sorry I want to collect the bounty too and these chains put good what are we doing how much is literally literally it looks like the end of a saw movie I assume the combat for everybody was also the same like scooby-do stuff where the boss just keeps going behind a door and you have to kill in the room. Oh, yeah. He, like, retreats behind the door. You kill a bunch of guys. And then forgets you're out there.

Why does he buzz you in? It's so good. It's like, you, like, again, you kill like 50 people. It's a lot. And then it's like, knock, knock, knock. Who's out there? Candy gram. Oh, my candy gram is here.

And he just walk in, like, kill him. Why'd he open the door? They just had to get you through this shit. And again, for me, I was like, okay, few, at least I'm done all of the fighting on this planet or on this space station. And they're like, you go to leave. You go, you get your blessing from the Thorians. I'm assuming, I'm assuming, does Lorset give you something when you finish this for her, Allie?

It's strange. When you end up going to the shuttle, there's like a Zerka guy there and he's like, Lorso sent me to give this to you. She said that it might help. And it was like a lightsaber crystal or a Hilt or something. And I was like, what the fuck? I'm trying to get out of this. You're like, I'm not a Jedi. Oh, that's very funny.

But then, so for the authoritarian side, as you're about to get it on the shuttle, they're like, oh, no, the authorities are being attacked. They're killing us all. Come help us. Does that happen for the Zorka side? There is a point at which you go into the Zerka offices and you talk to the droid at the front and he's like, we're being attacked. And you go in there and it's just full of mercenaries. Okay. Yeah.

So it's the same shit. It's just now their mercenaries. Well, isn't it, isn't it mercenaries? Why would mercenaries be coming after Circa? Isn't Circa the one hiring the mercenaries? I, I got to tell you, I do not know why. It's because of Lorset up. I'm reading it now.

It's because she wasn't paying them or something. Yeah, they, she had, she. That's extremely funny. That seems to be the case. They've made demands of executive more so. The check didn't clear. Threatening to kill everyone if they're not met. I can only assume they want credits or some other sort of monetary reward.

Yeah. They would. Yeah. They're mercenaries, Jenna. The implication is that she has had her fingers in so many pies that she just can't keep track of it anymore and people are coming back to get their money. And but I was asking you about this last night, Austin. And there's that guy in the canteeno who's like, well, fuck the current Zirka boss.

I work for Zirka and have been wanting a promotion for years. And there's no way to interact with that guy to be like, well, I'm Lorso's basically secondhand right now. Let's make some deals, like I just tried to with Lexa, even though that's not really happening either. And the only option you have for that is to tell her that he's coming for her. Interesting. Oh, that's interesting. Because Ethorian Squad had a different experience with him where he could, he gave us the key card, no?

Or what did he give us? Yeah, it's something like, it's like, it might not be the key card, but it's the- Oh, no, he gave us the location of the mechanic. That's right. Yes, because we need- Who is, who is the gambling man who sold his wife? Wait, no. He's a different guy.

He's just a different guy who also is in Hawk to the mob. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different guy. Like, people are getting. lone shark like crazy around here. Oh my God. I thought it was the same guy. I was like, bro, how am I back in your apartment just hours later after after freeing

your wife and I'm like strong arming you into to giving me all the all the information I want? That is very funny. It is a different guy. It is a different guy. Yeah. Thankfully. Is this the droid repair guy?

Yeah. Yes. Okay. He is Adoras, right? He is a, yeah, yeah, like Cadbane is. That's right. Yeah, that guy, that guy seems, he has some, he has some funny shit too, right? He could be, you're like, he's like, you know, it's got to, it's got to be risky for me.

If I give you my credentials because they'll track it back to me. I'm deep in debt to the exchange, whatever. And then if you're like, I killed the exchange, he's like, oh. Oh. Okay. Cool. No. No, no, no, no. Is that what wrong about that? He didn't do that for me. Because I was like, I just killed the exchange. Oh, you're right. Not the exchange on Narcada. He says, what he says, my loan is owed to Godo, the exchange boss on Narcada, whose name we've heard before. So yeah, you're right. That doesn't even let him. You do still need to pay him off, right? I couldn't keep the money that the authorities gave me to pay off his debt. I was like, because I'd already, I'd already taken some money where I was like, yeah, I need some money for some bribe. I didn't pay bribes. I just pocketed that cash because I needed some gray Jedi robes before that one dude

before I turned that one dude into the cops because he had gray Jedi robes. And you know my exile is like very Mara Jade coded. Like don't ask me about the past. I see. Hey exile, you're so mysterious.

What's your background? Were you a Jedi? Me drawing my gray Jedi cloak over my face. I'd only talk about that part of my life. The other thing you can do with Opochono, who is the droid mechanic who can get you access to B44, is kill him. Yeah, kill him for the exchange, for like no reason. Oh, you need him for the exchange. Interesting.

Yeah, I, I, it's, I, also sends me to Lexa, and Lexa makes me do a couple jobs for her. And part of that is collecting that guy's money. And when you find him, you can either be like, I can pay it off for you, which I wasn't fucking doing. I only have $700. Or you can kill him. Or you can be like, well, what if you just run away? Just go down to the shuttle and it'll be fine, I guess. And then that's what happens.

He just kind of sneaks off. And then you go back to Lexa and you're like, whoa, he wasn't there. I don't know what happened. And she's like, damn, that's crazy. She's not ready for the promotion. She literally says, strange. I would not expect he'd be able to escape the station without our knowledge. I'll have to look into this to see that this does not happen again.

That's like, okay, girl, that's why you're not the girl boss of the century. That's why you're not the girl boss of the century. Unlike Crea, who has been whispering nothing but kind of dark-sided shit in our ears the whole time. But if you kill him, you do get dark-side points. And then she's like, well, why did you kill him for? Why'd you do that? Why'd you do that for? And you're like, because he's going to rat us out to the cops.

And she'll be like, oh, no, I think you're scary enough that he wouldn't have done that. and he could have been useful for us. If you kept him alive, it's good to have people who were afraid of you, but not dead. You lost your advantage. When he was afraid of you, that was a thing you had. And now you don't have that anymore. And you've got to be like... Creus is that to you?

Yeah, she says, like, however, had you left him alive, we might have had use for him in the future. It's far better to have such a person, even as pathetic a creature, as Opochano, to take advantage of in the future. Only kill when there's no further advantage to be gained. and no disadvantage to yourself. It's like if the 48 laws of power was a guilt. It's incredible. It's incredible. Because again, that's also only kill when there's no advantage to be gained and no,

or when there's no further advantage to be gained and no disadvantage to yourself is the most, like, twisted around Jedi shit there is, right? Jedi are like, well, no, you shouldn't kill unless it's, unless, you know, it's the only thing you can do. And here it's like, well, it's not even worth killing some. one if it's not going to benefit you in some way. So just don't bother. Rare, and that's not, you know, you get the dark side points, but you don't gain or lose

any influence with Crea, obviously. She's just going to lecture you a little bit here. So, by the way, speaking of Crea, I figured out that last episode we were talking about how Crea tells you all about the, um, the, the, the Sith, uh, masters and everything. I, I don't have enough influence with her for her to tell me anything about. the Sith the Sith guys so she's just like every time I talk to her I'd fail the check okay you just got to get a little influence with her that's all yeah just to do it but I don't know what she wants to hear well don't you though think about how crazy sees the world maybe you

make make some choices that Kraya might like if you really want to get close to her you know I'm on team boyfriend now she she she's she's waiting at the shuttle uh something important to know is you can totally I said last time I was like I don't know how you could ever leave Kray on the shuttle. Something that someone reminded me of was she'll talk to you from the shuttle if it's important. So you can totally leave her in the shuttle. I can leave her behind. You can leave behind. Yeah. Not that I really like, she's really good with A.O.E. attack. She is. Sure is. I'll tell you, like, Bauder fucking suck. That guy was dead fucking weight, dragging his useless ass cross that planet. Why was he getting killed every fucking 30 seconds? I don't know. His stats aren't

back. Go ahead. He has no equipment. You got to... I gave him equipment. I did not give him equipment. He doesn't have HP. He had all the good equipment. Then I'd sold a bunch of good equipment. Yes, that also is true.

I didn't have shit. He has like killer stats. He has like 16 strength, 16 con or something like that. So he should be like pretty good up close. But he just gets washed every time I use him in a fight. We'll get to Baldur in a bit. That's oomph. I like him.

Oh, wait, we're on stats for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the hell is it at? Do we walking around with 24 dexterity? Why does he have 24 24 what did you do you must have given you gave him something good He's juiced are you just for for my for my side guys I just ought to level up because I really Don't want to think about it. I was sorry to say Yeah, but you there's no way leveling up does fucking suck in this game

I just I have too much D&D 3 5 in my brain where I'm like oh what are all the interesting choices you could make I guess I but I which stats should I max out in this like skill sheet that's like three items long uh-huh And is hiding something. You must have, okay, he does have high-ass decks. That is correct. He does. I mean, you're not, and he is hiding something pretty obviously. But if he has over 20 decks for you at this point, you must have found something sick to give him, is my guess.

Oh, maybe. Maybe he has on the, like, tacking gloves or something that I gave him. But still, I saw that I was like, what's going on with you, man? What are you hiding from me? Dude is tough. I miss having him in the section where you have to have Bell Dirk. because I was like, I'll bring Craya and Bauder. And I was like, damn, I kind of wish Atten was here.

Because Atten was like the guy who was getting the kill shots. You know, Crayo would stun people and Atten would be able to follow up with wild ass damage with the sneak attack stuff, you know? So that's the squad. Any other stuff up on Teler Station. Yeah, because I want to revisit because now I had my experience, like, freeing the the wife that was Oh yes please it was I'm just gonna say this

They're like who These are some pretty advanced Pazac cards That like flip things Into negatives Like if a three or six drops You play this card and they'll become negative On your side of the ledger Uh huh

They aren't that advanced They're not they are very useful Yeah they're extremely useful Like I'm not gonna like I'm just gonna play with these flip cards cards and the plus minus cards like I'm not like no more regular cards no no you're playing you with regular cards you're chump you are I kept thinking about the um outlaws version of sabak

which is really cool and fun and has like cheating in it and wishing I could cheat in Pazak I wish it let me sneak my own extra card from like a secret back pocket whatever I needed it the way you can Especially because there's so much you just get screwed in this version of Pizak where it's like, oh, that person just drew to 20. They've drawn to 20 twice now. That feels sucks. I was trying to explain this to Natalie while we were doing our, when I was explaining how Pazok works.

Natalie, you may remember I was like, the way I think about Pazok is even if I lose a round, if I can make the other person spend a card one of their four, then that's a wash as far as on. concerned. Like, you know, I don't want to lose the round, but ideally, you know, it's best if we both, it's the best if I win without spending a card. It's worse if I spent a card and I lost, you know? Yeah. And so in the middle there is maybe they win, but they spent a card, so they're down on a resource, et cetera. Uh, you know, I think I really got this bizak shit in me. I think I got to go to Narcadah. You have it. You have it. You have it in a way

that I think you're gifted. Thank you. I appreciate it. is it is such a garbage tier casino game like like this one you have to drive out to old Vegas to find like one place that's actually like doing games of Pazoc and oh and the fact that you always have to go first so the little motherfucker just gets to like wait to see if you go over and then be like I would like is that true to you always have I know you do in the first game but I thought I noticed myself going second in one of the rounds oh you know what it is you go this is what it is you do go first all the time but But then if you lose, I think you go second.

I think it swaps round by round if you've lost around. Something that was happening when Natalie and I were on call and I had to be like, oh, is that, that just happened? Because it surprised me at the time. So something does, something is different there. I don't, I don't remember the exact deal. I'm checking to see if there's a quick answer for this. But yeah, I'm pretty sure it flips if you, if you lose a thing.

But maybe I'm wrong. Anyway. The other thing is I gotta say As clownish as the two brothers are Who refuting Their stores have some good stuff And I kind of regret

Having dimed that one guy out To the cops so fast Because I kind of maybe should have mined out Both their stores What I'm saying, Rob. Because they both had good shops But I was like somebody How dare you sell a blaster

That was used For somebody to try to kill me Right, that's part of their store right is you at some point someone tries to assassinate you is it only if you're doing the authoritarian stuff or is that no matter what that the

Did you get assassinated? Well none of us got assassination Attempted assassination Alley No I I helped the guy I didn't want to go full Zurich so I brought the guy who was like planning against them

to the cops And there was some mercenary stuff with that Okay But I didn't act with the shop guy story very much. The, at some point, I think it's had to the authority and stuff, but maybe it's had to something else. Someone will try to assassinate you. And then you'll take the blaster and bring it to the cops. And the cops will be like, that's not supposed to be

here. This sort of gun isn't supposed to be on this spade. These aren't allowed. And you're like, can I just, I guess I'll investigate it then? And he's like, that sounds like a good idea. And so you could go investigate it and you have. eventually find out that one of the two brothers is part of a smuggling ring. And he's like, I want to be smuggle for me? He's like, this has cop killer bullets in it. No, guns are legal, but not the cop killer bullets. That's right.

Exactly. And so you can talk to one of the two kind of retail brothers and he'll be like, hey, what if you, uh, what do you help me out a little bit? You know that one of the plants the a Thorians have is Very powerful. Just give me a clipping. I just need a little bit. And then you can do a little bit of a smuggling like side quest for them, for him.

And as you do, it unlocks even more gear robbed. Did you end up, what did you end up getting that was good? And then you can do it again and get even more, more gear. And then you can do it a third time, which doesn't seem to reap any benefits. Yeah, then you go to hell because you killed a. innocent people hell exists now I did that

you did do it you killed all those people in the authoritarian docking bay I did wow god did not want them he would not have made them sheep

wow I see listen listen listen listen listen listen listen listen it was supposed to be a simple escort mission wow things things got out of hand yeah the opening narration of like every Like, like, pulpy crime, crime novel.

It wasn't supposed to go like that. It was just supposed to be an escort mission. I got him his plant. I got him. I did have to kill the guy for the medical supplies. That's right. The second one from people who don't know. Yeah, you go, you know that one room?

They're like, nothing happens in it. It's like the hospital. The medical bay where nothing happens. You would think a medical bay would be an important location on a space station. You would think, oh, sure. surely there will be critical story events that occur in the medical bay. Not a big deal. No.

I mean, there is the one, which is you go in there to get some medical supplies. And a guy goes, hey, we need the medical supplies. And you go, I need the medical supplies. And he's like, I am not going to let you take those. And then you kill him. Yes. But here's the thing. I talked, I, you know, I obviously brought them back back to, um,

Um, to the homie. Um, I, uh, what, what is the homie's name again? It's, don't worry about it. My good, my good guy. Oh, what are the two brothers you mean? One of, uh, dovo. Okay. I bring it to Luigi. That's right.

Yeah. That's right. Who's innocent? I take. By the way. Who's innocent? Yes. Exactly.

Uh, Luigi innocent. Um, I take it to Luigi. And Luigi had actually had a great point. Luigi said, all of these medical supplies are, are here on Telos not being used. And there are lots of people out there who could use these medical supplies. And who is he, but not someone to distribute them

to those who actually need them, medical supplies? So actually, I did the wokenest possible thing. And I simply had to kill him to redistribute the medical supplies to people who need it because Telos is hoarding. it, hoarding medical supplies that could go to people who really need it. And I have no regrets about that. They're hoarding it

in like a pharmacy. That's right. Okay. No one's using all that stuff in the pharmacy. No one's in there. Not when you're there. You can play the whole, you never get to go there. Nothing ever happens there. It's just sitting there. If I don't use it, it doesn't exist. Exactly. Exactly.

The world revolves around me and I saw things going unused. And so I simply did the right thing. Oh, you really are, Kray, a special little Jedi. This is a Sith trait. I am so, there's the, there's the smallest chance that we all somehow fall in the middle of this game. And we're all like, right, someone else will probably end up doing a dark side run.

And then it's all of us from different angles, from different things. Bit by bit. Um, killing, killing the, the other guys was the, the TSF officers was not what I intended to do. But, uh, I feel like this is Wayne Grove debriefing at the diner afterwards. I've got to put my hand up. I shouldn't waste. Now I'm thinking about it. That guy might not have been reaching.

Yeah. He might not have been fucking with me. Uh, listen to this. Listen to this. Mm-hmm. Listen to, listen to what Sam Han Doba. has to say when dendis dobo accuses him

of thievery this is the conversation I go up to Samhan Luigi I say I have the medical supplies Luigi says it would be such a shame to let these supplies go to waste when the need for them is so much greater

elsewhere not to mention the shame of such an opportunity for profit passing by Mario Mario say no more thief It is bad enough that you derive all your profit from theft, but now you steal supplies needed to save lives. Luigi, cease your whining dent, Mario. You call me a thief, but what I am is a person of the highest order.

Victims of the war lay dying where the extra supplies of Telos could be used to save them. I, for one, am not so heartless to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to their plight. Of course, such noble work deserves noble rewards. Here, a thousand credits and the knowledge that lives will be saved with these. Mario, I cannot believe I am hearing this. Wait, wait, what are we doing here? Luigi, ignore my brother. He does not have the stomach for real business.

Well, all I'm saying is that there are people out there who need these medical supplies and I'm the one who got it to them. I trust Sohan to put the Luigi to put them in the right place. He'll know. He's got a, a healer's eye, you know? Man, I'm just thinking how sad Natalie would be at the end of the third man when that noble medical supply distribution agent gets God just for trying to just trying to spread the bounty. Exactly. He's just trying to spread things around you.

The flow is the most important thing to maintain in times like ours, you know, divided times. Is there anything else up here that's, that's, what did you end up doing with the dancer, Rob? You did end up saving her. You went through that whole arc. Yeah, and then I took her back to her husband. She's like, fuck this guy. And I was like, yeah, no, you should just leave. And he was like, I guess I should thank you, but I'm too angry about this.

Yeah. Real chump. Oh, quick thing. Because Natalie mentioned a price, a thousand credits for noble reward. when I knew Jan Alorso was not going to be, when she's like, I'll pay you 300

credits. That's right. I was like, what? She doesn't have it, man. I don't know if she's trying to pay you out of her per diem. Like, I don't know what the deal is. That's not enough money. 300 credits is for anything in this case.

Well, this is why the mercenaries are turning against them. That's right. Like Zirka set her a freelance budget. She's writing checks out to herself against it. And then trying to get everyone to like take lower rates. I mean, that's kind of the, again, the other side of me being like, this is the cynical like obsidian thing par excellence is like they do really have it down how the Zerca corporation would, you know, how big business also fails at this shit. where it's like they come in and say oh we can do it for cheaper and guess what they're not

going to spend the money they need to make this work if jan wanted to do this even in the most cost cutting like evil way possible she still needs more than what she has here you know i know it's like to get a freelance budget cut she needs salaried people there's like a real kinship here with like outer worlds oh yeah for sure in terms of in terms of everybody here being kind of a fucking idiot, which was kind of my frustration with Outer Worlds, where, like, everyone is such a dip shit that, like, the critique falls a little bit short for me because, yes, everyone's motives are kind of corrupt and they're hapless in the face of this, but, like, they're such clowns that it's, it's kind of tough to take any of it, not that it wants to be doing this

series, it's very satirical, but at the same time, like, the obsidian cynicism of it is all that like, well, everyone's such buffoons and everyone's so incompetent, it almost loops around to a, the whole system is broken beyond repair. What's the point? We're all fucked anyway. Yeah. You know, I think the stuff that I'm more curious for us to get to is the stuff that's around the force and the Jedi.

And we already kind of talked about this, right? I think even here, the stuff that is interesting to me about the authorians tends to be the stuff that is Chodo talking about the exiles wound Natalie and Rob you both got healed did you do you both go through with the force healing to get the bonus FP or whatever um

yeah I believe so yeah it's it's she hates that shit she hates it why do you think she's like so much well she has a few so she a few things come up with her with the authorians one in so many words nobody's that not they are just trying to they they are trying to obligate you to them but they be their time you

spent thinking about that fucking planet that they're failing to heal rather than worrying about healing you uh so there's there's a lot of that uh the suspicion of their motives uh and sort of distrust again like of their competence but i can't remember what her specific issue is with the four with the sort of the faith healing that's going on there she doesn't really unfold exactly what it is, I think outside of what you just said, right, which is that she sees it as a maneuver to exert control, not something she would ever do. But then she does concede that the analogy they make to you and the broken connection with the force and the planet's broken connection with nature, there may be something to that. Yeah. You know, she, Chodo's thing is,

she's like, it's different to heal a person than it is to heal a planet. And Chodo is like, Not true, actually. It's about the connections between living things in the same way that a, you know, different organisms on a planet require, you know, some sort of relationship with one another and that restoring those things requires restoring the entire web of life, you know, you need to connect to the world again in that way. And so that is the, that seems like it, I mean, it does literally work in the game sense. You gain more force points.

Now, you gain five more force points, which is not very many. You know, there's, I think you might have a maximum of like 80 or 100 or something. So it's not, it's not nothing. That's, that's a meaningful percentile. If you were like, you got a 5% raise on your income, I'd be like, all right, I'll fucking take it. Like, absolutely. If you told me I got 5% more energy every day, I'd be like, hell yeah, dude, that sounds

great. So it's not like it's not working. But it's also not, you know, it's not like. like take a new force power, take a new feet, take a new level. You don't get a level from this. You get five force points. And so there is some sort of thing happening. And I will say the other thing that this, that this then connects back to or will connect to is when you're down there on the planet, which I guess we're about to transition to talking about, there is a moment where literally, I believe everybody has a bit where they're like, damn, this planet does kind of have it.

There is something about being here. Bauder says something. Aten even says something. Atten is even like, I know I said, fuck this place. But look at those birds or, you know, something like that. Al, you were nodding. Did you get that Atten bit while you were down there? Yeah, he's like, my shoulders feel lighter or something like that.

Like I feel less tense. And I was like, oh, oomph. Yeah. It's nice to have fresh air after being. stuck in a fucking the Port Authority for three weeks. The Port Authority and like the fucking Yeah, the caves in the jail before

that like it's nice to see a skyline. It's nice to see birds. Yeah, it's cool to be outside. It was cute when he was like, hey, Crea like last one of the waters, a rotten egg and then like starts dripping off his clothes and running into the surf and that was fun. They were splashing each other. That was cute.

Lister, that didn't happen. I hadn't such a weird out though. Like, it's, it is a very weird, like, I'm cynical. Oh, damn. You ever think about everything's, like, connected and we're all one? Oh, yeah. No shit. So.

Did everyone bring who, who, well, for last few things on telostation before we go down. Yeah. I wanted to shout out two great, um, NPCs, which, were the first one was just a random woman in this Circa area that any woman you speaks to in the Circa area will just say, I'm glad that Circa put a capable woman in charge of the project. I've got every faith that she'll do things right. And it is so funny every single time. So shout outs to girl bosses supporting girl bosses. Are you sure she's not the DEI hire and the whole thing's a cautionary tale? you know

that was not you know maybe she was maybe Zirka James Daymore down in the bar he's the one who should have been

he's the one who should have been in charge he was like there's not an intellectual diversity at Zirka God fuck who's the second one

the second one is the cop that is there after you escort the athorians you have to escort the ethoreans to like pick up a shipment

at one point on that quest and a bunch of mercenaries show up to kill the Athorians and the TSF officer you could talk to him after you kill everyone and he's like whew I'm glad that's over still death might have been preferable

to the amount of paperwork I'm going to have to fill out for this I'm just like cops suck in every universe literally ACAB in every single universe universe ever. Natalie, I just noticed some dark-ass robes you got on

in that second image. Is it? Are they? I just think if I didn't, if you were holding red lightsabers. This might just be monitor settings. Okay, it's monitor settings. Okay, okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on me, that's on me, that's on me. Those are blue, not gray and black. Okay, okay, okay. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I got you. I also just want to shout out B4D4, who, after you get

to gain control of B4D4 and do the, like, reconnaissance mission with him. I wish he joined the squad. He should have joined the squad. He would be great vibes for the squad. He would get along so well.

Ali, you hadn't seen this because you don't get this at all, right? I was so mad when I saw this. I would have run around as a little droid. I was so pissed off. I'm so sad for you. girl bosses and had to kill one and I just say it was that fun.

Yeah. Instead, you could have been the droid who talks a different Astrobeck droid into killing everyone in an office. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I do love...

I love that. He's like, you're not programmed. What does he say? He says when you're talking to him, he says, and your programming similarly inhibits you from harming sentient organic life or allowing such to be harmed without warning correct but I think but then after that you can like your options are that's right or like lie that's right it's extremely good yeah the authorians like now you're going to be a very good droid out there aren't you and you got the option

of like yep absolutely and lie yep absolutely and it's like I just want to play as this guy the rest of this little like chaos agent I know I want to I miss him already. Like, I feel like he should be, like, turning to the camera and, like, causing one eye to wink. And that'd be great. I wonder if they had ended up finishing the droid planet that we are not using. If there's a mod that completes that stuff. I wonder if you would have shown up there originally.

I don't know. As, like, their new kid. Yeah. Also, I just want to clear the air about my robes because I'm wearing. the standard gray Jedi robes. And if you allow me one moment to just give the description for the gray Jedi robes because common misconceptions here, common misconceptions,

gray Jedi are those who, through having completed the teachings of the Jedi, operate independently and outside of the Jedi Council. They are typically seen as misguided, though they have not necessarily succumbed to the Darkse. I see. Plus two charisma. That's pretty good.

Simply just some, some, you know, lack of, there might be some misconceptions really around where gray lands in the white to black scale. There are different shades of gray, certainly. Mine are, mine are a nice gray. I do like that the robes themselves are kind of like. woven together with like moral consequence. Yeah. Yeah. I also saw Grey Jedi robes and I was like,

Gimmie. I didn't get those. Those didn't pop for me. I had a bunch of other shit. I don't remember thought in my head, but I did get some stuff from those guys that was, yeah. Are we going to go back to the station at some point? You can go back. Yeah, because so much this stuff was like way beyond. I'm not going to Ford. I remember there was some nice shit. We still have the quest that is one. You still have the, you have to turn in the quest. The bounty. The bounties who are down on those. Because those dudes just hang out on the planet. Once again, the whole like, hey, there's Anton Chigur.

Let's get his ass. Let's play two minds for him. My whole squad for the first, like, it's never happened like this for me before. Everybody thread the needle between the two minds successfully, perfectly. I'm disabling one mine. My buddy is just like sprinting past me into the minefield. I mean, that happened to me on the next minefield. But for this one, everyone locked in.

And I think it was just to whoop their asses. I think they were just, everyone was like, I'm sick of these dudes. It's done. It's up for them. Let's get them. But yeah, you also have to go back to once you figure out a fuel source, right? Because that's the other open quest for Tilos is where are they going to get fuel? So yeah, you'll be able to go back there, for sure.

For now, though, we get a nice shuttle ride down to the surface, which goes safe. Yeah, it's super peaceful and chill. Yeah. Oh, no, they fired all the people we knew how to do the work at the air traffic control tower. the machine guns open fire they blast your ship man this game is so chopply put together you get the cut scenes though

awkward little interstitials of your characters like basically teaposed inside the shuttle and Atten being like grab on to something this is going to get bumpy and then like hard cut to their body's teapost

on the ground next to like next to the burning shuttle and then that dude who were sent down there to meet He's like, whoa General I didn't expect to see you here Yeah

Wait Ali did you get shot down too Mm-hmm Yeah everybody gets shot down Why did you get shot down? Well we don't know who shot us down yet Do we? I thought it was I thought it was Circa shooting us down Interesting must be somebody else

Interesting Yeah interesting Who would do such a thing Also wait did you get Did either of you get the cut in from the admiral at this point on the way down to the planet because i think the three of you got someone who i did yes yes yes i get admiral c i'm the only one who's getting him c e d you get carth right yeah how's right zoned out i zoned out when he was talking though

great is so boring wait when does this happen on the shuttle ride like as you get in the shuttle there is a call, not to you, but between two Republic soldiers. One of them is Carth and the other one is some lieutenant. It's Grin. It's actually Grin. It is Grin, yeah. Because, because, okay. Real meaning in the minds between Carth and Grin. Just the two most effective dudes

in Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah, I totally, I have to admit that it might have been when I stood up to refill my water bottle was just listening to what was happening and kind of peeking over there. The, I will lock in from now on every cutscene. I'm locked in.

This is not an important one. You will know when it's an important one. And there, it's common. This is one of the six times I'm going to say, I can't wait for the next episode. Yeah, Carth just calls or, or Admiral Seed, if you're, if you, if Carth isn't around like that for you anymore, um, to be like, hey, yeah, we're on our way. and Gretna's like The exile's gone

The other guy left Managed to get off the station And Carth or you know The Admiral will be like oh that's cool We're not going to detain them We're actually decided not to detain them Not a big deal And Gren is like

Huh? Why? And the Admiral is like I'll tell you when I get there And that's it So there's not too much here You know but yeah um wait can you remind can you remind me why carth doesn't exist for you

because i did the dark side ending of go to our one but i thought i also did that you did not pick that so then maybe i didn't oh maybe you didn't see yeah okay i thought last time you said i did you remember to in your dialogue choices with atten did you remember to tell aton no no i get like revin got darksided as hell Yeah, that's what I said

Maybe that's why you didn't pick up Maybe this is part of why your eyes glazed over Because it was some guy you've never seen before Showing up to be I do not know that man Exactly yes Yes To be like hey I'm on my way

We're almost there And Gwen being like I lost him sorry Yeah Or I lost her in this case Admiral Admiral Seed Yeah CEDE Oh yeah no

Black guy three You know It was this guy Yeah Yeah Then yeah you are locked in with Darkside Reven too then. Great. Okay. Speaking of Revan, speaking of the war against the Mandalorians, Baldur is here.

I like Belder. We've got a Zabrack. We do. Baldur, who is voice acted by Roger Gennivir Smith, who is mostly a theater actor, but has done a lot of smaller roles in Spike Lee movies for, since, since like the, jump basically since school days, like everything since then. Did you know Spike Lee was making a high and low? I did know this, dude. I'm fucking, I'm, I'm hoping it's good. I've not liked the last few spike pictures, but high and low is an all-timer, and

there's an era of Spike who I think could hit it. People don't know high and low is the Kurosawa film I referenced the most, unlike all of Star Wars, which obviously is seven samurai. Yeah, highest to lowest. It's coming out this year, right? I think so I think so I think it's I don't have a date

but it's I do know it's this year so yeah they should make they should make high and low with Perrin I believe it anyway yeah Baldur

real unique voice performance easy now you survived one spectacular crash lucky I was here to pull you and your friends out of that shuttle or you'd be more than a little crispy but it's only fair I owe you more than one, General.

General. You must be in shock from the crash. Have to expect some long-term memory loss from that. Too bad he's not a droid, huh? We can't all be that lucky. I'll hear me, you, General. I was one of the Iridonian Mechanic Corps that was at Malacore. Bejadur.

I can see how you forget me, being I was the only one. I think that a unique person, for you, I think I said this last time, part of the reason I used to come to games like this was because it was where voice performances that didn't just sound like bad anime dubs were, or

just dry as shit. You know, like I really loved Morrowind, which came out before this, obviously. But that game, that game is a handful of really memorable lines, but I'm not like, there's not a lot of great character work being done.

You described Belder as being very boring. Well, so I haven't, I haven't struck up a conversation because I'm still operating under Cotor 1 rules where like characters will have stuff on their mind. You should talk to you should talk to him at least once before we go into the military base. He's got some interesting things to say. Yeah, well, we should talk

about it because I think everybody else here probably did at least do the initial one. Is that right? Because my impression of him was like he seemed like kind of a flat character but like the lines were red very cool. And that was kind of a weird thing where it's like he's giving like i'm a cool major character yeah but the interactions were so like just all right we got to do the next stage of this quest run over here it was very it was kind of very like step one go here like shaving like

shaving the yak type uh like lines yeah there there is an amount that he feels like tutorial boy in terms of being like, there are some mercenaries up ahead. We should walk down the shore by the mountain. Like, I can figure that out. But, like, I know how to walk around to play it. I've played Cotor.

But there's, like, I'm glad that you mentioned the voice actor because the vocal performance really immediately makes you lock in on this guy. And first of all, that he calls you general, I'm kind of obsessed with him already. I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting

Candor's order number two from him especially because when he finds out that you have a bounty on you you're like I don't want to talk about

it or you have some options there and he's like well you're gonna have to get through me if you want to get a bounty on her

and I'm like learn to grow you're my best friend now yeah and you can talk to him about what he's been up to I mean there's a few things

you can talk to him about one you can be like hey We haven't described this character. He's a Zabrack, or he's actually, he's actually, let's be clear. He's actually an Iredonian, I believe, not a Zabrak. Remember, he's a Zabrach from the planet of Irodonia.

I think it's the same species, but you sometimes, at the time at least, I don't know where it's at now in the canon, but you would sometimes see the non-Mall-style face-painted Zabrachs called Irodonians instead, because I think there's a, it's just not the same culture. He's just not from the Knight Brothers. other culture on that planet. What's the name of that planet? Why am I forgetting? Dathamir.

Dathir. Thank God. Thank you. He's from Erodonia. And so, you know, he's that. He has kind of like beige colored skin. He has facial, like, scarring. Not, he's like facial like markings, scarring as in kind of like tribal markings

or cultural markings. And he has the Zabrek style horns. But he also is missing an arm. And he has a kind of prosthetic arm that is, like, laser locked or, like, energy locked to his joint in some way. And you can be like, hey, man, what happened to your arm? And he's like, oh, yeah, I got sick of dropping knives all the time. So I cut it off. And you're like, huh?

Or you're like, sorry. I meant it was being serious. And he was like, yeah, man, like, it was serious. For me, when I lost my arm in the war on my. Malacor, which, you know, it's fun to have another character who keeps talking about the war you were in. There's also a bit where you talk to him about what he's been doing for a little bit. And he says, well, I've just been kind of going to place and place.

I'm just trying to forget about the things that I did. All right, man. Glad to hear it. Come on board. Yeah. And you can basically, at that point, I was thinking about Rob when you last time were like, I don't really, or, It was on our Patreon Q&A, actually, when this came up. You were like, I don't know if I can fill in the backstory for my exile because it feels

like the game might tell me more right now or I'll have other opportunities to. And here's a point where you can tell when Baldur says basically, like, I've been bouncing around as a mechanic going here and there, you know, I couldn't settle down after the war. You can be like, yeah, when I was during my exile, I did the same thing. And he says, like, okay, so you understand how restless it I was. I couldn't find peace in anything. As long as I kept moving, I didn't have to think about what happened. Know what I mean?

And, you know, you can be like, oh, you couldn't handle the truth. You can be a real asshole to him. And when you say, that's one of my favorite ones because he'll say, maybe if I had the force to lean on, I could have worked it out. But then the force didn't seem to be much help to others. And he goes on to explain that like the way he ended working through his anger and his bitterness from all this, was to learn how to protect planets instead of, again, like you said, Ali, he wanted to make up for the things he'd done in the war. Sounds bad. And so he learned

how to become a planetary shield specialist. So he's here working on the shields for the TLS Restoration Project. I will say this. He's the one, he's like Xerkeru'd everything. And I'm a little more apt to believe his version of the story than the Athorians for sure. And if he's going to co-sign it. If the dude's calling me general is like, listen, General, here's the deal. I'm like, all right, yeah, okay, word, word. His history is giving a little bit Sabine

Ren vibes. Interesting. Like, it feels like he was, he did some shit on that planet that there's one of the responses that you can say I think this is

the one I said. Oh yeah, this is what I said. I said, we must face our fears to become stronger in the same options that you were just describing Austin. And he can respond, mostly I was angry, angry about what I had done and about why I had done it. I'm like, speaking of characters from the animation, there's a planet we keep hearing about here. Do anyone know the one? It's... It's Malacor. We keep hearing Malacor.

Which we know from two places. The most recent one is Rebels. This is where Asoka and Vader fought during rebels. This is that temple. And we heard about it one other places. Everybody remember from Clone Wars. Oh. Hand went down.

Natalie's hand jumped up and then it went... She said, oh. There's a... The brother talk about it. the brother from the the funny zone I'm sorry

I can't remember Mortis the brother from the oh the brother from the brother The father of the funny Oh does he

I don't think he does That's funny to think about They're actually I'm thinking about it There might be a brother connection to this game Now that I think about it From that

That's a clear your mind to interact with the wall cartoon of the Fun Zone family to access the world between worlds. Oh, my God. No, the, it's Gregor, the clone from the diner. Do you remember Gregor, the clone from the diner, and then the boys are back in town, that clone? Yes.

Who's like, he's forgotten, he's like lost his memory, and he's like, I'm just a regular guy. I'm just working in the diner. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Do you remember what happened to him? Do you remember what his great trauma was? He lost all of his clone brothers on a planet. In a terrible war.

In the Battle of Sarish. I thought it was the battle of, oh, but it wasn't it in, isn't it in, this is the second time I've done this? Am I making this up? Gregor has amnesia. Gascon has R2 read the identification code on Gregor's wrist, revealing him to be a commando clone. He'd been presumed missing an action in the Battle of Sarish.

One of the Republic's most devastating military defeats. The Battle of Sarish was a battle that took place on the planet Sarish. Okay, then where's the, what's the, where's Malichor? I thought it was in, I really thought that this was Malacor. Why did it? Because I remember saying this at the time that it was Malichor, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just incorrect here. Yeah, I thought Malichor was just where Revin did some stuff.

Well, we know that from this, obviously, but I thought there was a, I really thought there was a Cotor 2 connection to this place with the Greger stuff, but now... Yes, it is. There is a connection. The trivia is Gascon says at one point in this episode, there's no way in Malacor. As in like, there's no way in hell.

That's much stupider. Okay, well, you know, that's fine. That's very funny. Wait, wait, but we do have another connection from this planet to other things. that we've watched slash actually specifically read which is that

the Canucks come from a specific place Which are the island of Anderon They are? No. Are they not? Where are they from? These are the wolf things that are here, right? The weird dogs. Well, they are from Anderone But they're from a more specific place

Around Anderan They're from Duxon. They're from the Beast Moon Duxer. They're from the Demon Moon. They're from the Demon Moon. They're there's there's they're the beasts that we remember from the comics that we read tails of the Jedi right yes which I thought was cool that is cool yeah all right well Malacor seems important Bounder seems cool seems I love him great vibes immediately I just you get him a good gun I'm like I can't keep watching what do we need to do to prevent him from this is a one-handed weapon

guy, right? So it's complicated. I go into this in the let's play. Um, he, he could be a melee guy in a bunch of different ways. He's a high strength. He's 10 decks. He's no dex bonus. The gun, he's going to miss with the gun all day. If you give him a gun, unless you somehow jack his decks up. Yeah. I did have better like once I gave him the exchange, uh, like negotiation. The stun baton. Yeah. Um, yeah. So he is, he is 16 inch strength by default. which is solid for melee combat. For some reason, he's kind of paper thin, and I think part of that is you probably don't have him in,

this is for me too. I didn't have him in great armor, because I don't have great armor. I think he also doesn't have heavy armor training. He only has medium heavy training, or medium armor training, which is tough. I don't even know if he can get heavy armor. It might be the arm.

I'm not 100% sure. But he has high strength and high cons. So his, like, he's good at resisting, you know, poison and stuff like that. But he's not good at dodging. And so you've got to get him some better armor. I think partly the part of the thing you're going to need to do is just like get him some feats that are like defensive feats. There are a handful of things you can do for that.

Allie, you could totally build him to be a one-handed duly guy if you want to. And in fact, you could even give him unarmed training, which means he doesn't even need a weapon. He ends up doing pretty decent punch damage if that's a way you want to build him. I can send he... Oh, yeah. Does she start with that? She might start with it. Because I thought I read somewhere somebody being

like, never give her a weapon. The game is pushing hard. She got like an advanced unarmed combat thing. Interesting. At her last level up and I was like, wait, should I just take weapons out of her hand? I will say this is a game where you can really do some kung fu shit with your characters. There's a reason why all those combat animations are so cool.

All of the like the no, you know, when that guy tries to assassinate you in the jail on, on Tila Station and you just like do a jump kick at him or whatever, there's a lot of those animations. And that is a totally viable build. I would say, lightsabers remain undefeated, undefeated. You get so many good lightsaber crystals and upgrades in this game that give. big stat bonuses, that it's hard to resist those. But I do think that you could pick a character, maybe two, to make your kind of close

combat monk style build and have a fun time with it. I wouldn't do that with Craig. I'm curious what you've seen, Allie, that says that. Maybe they're talking about, like, it's better to make sure she doesn't waste time attacking and instead of using force powers or something. I don't, I'm curious. Yeah, maybe. Or it was just for the early game when you're,

you're getting through um paragas that makes sense prerogist station yeah yeah um yeah um yeah i'm i'm i'm anticipating being obsessed with bojur i'm i'm having good feelings about him and atn okay one is gonna be like an earnest love and one is going to be you were awful and i could just gonna put my arm around you because you're a little goblin i don't know which one's wait which one is no one a second Which one is the one who is I'm going to love to hate And Bodura is going to be my oomphi They're both going to be team boyfriend I see

I see okay There might be more boyfriends to come You know I know I know We shall see We shall see We're getting close to another To another party member And I think I have made a decision

On where we're going next We should just go do Anderon next That has a really good companion That I'm excited to see After that's not the next recording The next recording is just continuing forward on this But Because the rest of this was just combat right

you're just killing people on the beach so much so much did anybody have trouble with any of these fights yep yes i did well mostly because about my homie bow d'ur kept dying um so that was that was tough because then it was just being crea holding it down yeah and trading off force abilities until we could get it down um i think the thing to solve the the fix i have in mind for myself is that when I, I need to pause more. I need to, like, don't let the kids go off on their own. Pause and redirect. It's like, it's like, I have to, like, put myself in, like, the Sims mindset.

Like, I can't leave my Sims to their own devices. They will, they will pee themselves, because they won't feed themselves. They'll, they'll just, like, watch TV for 16 hours and not go to work. Like, I have to be there to give them a little push in the right direction. So I just, I always be pausing is what I'm realizing. You can go in. Making sure I have it like queued up as well. Like four, four actions at a time.

There, I'm going to say this once, and I don't, I don't like playing this way, but I'm going to say that it's available. You can go into the options menu and make it pause after each round if that's a thing you're interested in. Ooh, I might do that. It slows things down a lot. and in general, fights don't need it. Now, I do think you get to the fucking, what is it,

the landing pad area here right before the bunker, which by the way, for listeners, we ended playing a little bit further on than we thought we were going to. We played through this kind of beachy Tilos restoration zone. I'll have posted about this ahead of time. My let's play will go there. But last time we said we were going to stop as soon as we reached Tilos. So we played another like, I don't know, 45 minutes.

or so. I don't know how long it took y'all to play this stuff, but not that much further. But that area is hard. And I was kind of like, I wish I was taking this around at the time because, as you just said, Natalie, people will wander off and turn what should be a fight against a single pot of enemies into a bad ex-com. Back Zirdery Camp was a nightmare. It's a nightmare. I was next to dying and I've been like, no problem the whole game, which is out of a skill thing, It's just like a build luck thing and finding good gear. I came very close to wiping a number of times there. Also, this might be a bug or something, but like I am queuing actions.

Uh-huh. And then I'm watching my dipshit character run up to something and melee it. And then de-action. You have to clear. If there is a- No, I know I cleared it. It's like they are doing inserting actions into the queue that are not supposed to be there. they change targets on me you have to clear you have to click on someone and then clear

and then there's like a way around it and then like hover or or re-click on the i forget what it is but there's a way to get around that initial action that they do that that uh it's like you click on them you clear and then you press the attack you want to do something that like that it's a little complicated it feels super unreliate like I'm watching it is unreliable I do it all the time I'm always like just base attacking people and it annoys the shit I wish this game has final fantasy 12 gambits I wish I could say hey when you're when we're fighting four guys throw a grenade or hey when any of us get under 50% health do a heel it would be great you know also like I just don't have a great

sense for like what force abilities do I'm just like I don't know Rob hit me up just do horror talk me if you need me to talk you through this I get I'm not trying to be condescending it's just stupidly in here in a way that is like I can I can try to give advice if you wind up in a situation where you're like force barrier energy resistance doesn't that it's just all sorts of shit no that actually saved my life or the the only reason I survived that was activating a shield was activating a melee shield or whatever. I would not have gotten through it. Force barrier is similar to that.

That's the other thing is this game does kind of have the immersive sim thing of, hey, there's actually like 30 ways to do the same thing where it's like, oh, yeah, you could craft a shield, or you could learn force barrier, or you could get armor that has damage reduction in it, or you could do da-da-da-da, and all of that stuff kind of can be over, not just overwhelming, but it's like, well, that means everybody can kind of do everything. That's the other reason I had some trouble. I'm still in my head where it's like the game's going to give me shit for my Rindforay that I can get through.

No, man, I got to go craft med packs now. James is not going to give me med packs. I have to go craft them. But I don't want to craft. I don't want to break down items. I don't want to craft. I just want to live my life. We're about to hit the point where the thing you'll be able to do is if you want to just go

buy a bunch of fucking med packs, you know? Or the other thing you're going to get to, you should take the heel. the Jedi heel, the second level of Jedi heel is super, especially if you're being light-sided at all, is super force point efficient, it's renewable, and at the second level, it clears status effects like poison. It's not even a separate skill. Force powers in this game are really good. I think even if you're dark-sided, it's worth having force heel because it's a little bit of extra support for those moments. Eventually, you know, you have to remember if Kray is in your party. That will heal her too. She'll heal, you know, all of her buffs will apply to you.

That stuff can be kind of blown off the doors. And then, and then, yeah, you know, you talked before about Cray's AOE game. You will also, you specifically Rob, I think anybody who's playing a console, which actually is all three of you, anyone who is like highish charisma and wisdom is in a pretty good place to start moving down those big AOE force powers, especially things like stuns that are like horror or the second or third level of force push shocked how much resist I'm getting though with that where it's like damn like these henchmen are really throwing this off you you know it's a d20 game uh the d20 is too much damn variability it's why I don't like the d20 um but the way the the stat um curve in this game works you're just going to blow it up

eventually once you're once you're rolling a d20 plus 10 or whatever which a lot of these things start to scale because they don't just scale with your stats. They also scale with your level. It'll be like, you know, the difficulty the enemy is trying to beat with their dice roll behind the scenes is your level plus your bonuses plus 10. And so by the time you get to level 10, they're needing to roll a 25 or whatever. And they're just not going to get it anymore. And at that point, especially if you have at in their backstabbing people, you're going to be doing pretty good. So yeah, you clear this place out.

there's a bunch of Zirka mercenaries, there's the bounty guys, there's some caches you can find with trash with 30 credits each or something. There's a Tweed like, attack, attack them, my battle bots. I forgot about that guy. And like they're the flying monkeys in Wizard of Oz and you're just like zap. This game has the most like, do you want clear mechanicals that, like disabled droid is just ridiculous. It's really good. And it's only going to get better in the sixth section.

What the fuck lost art happen between this and the Clone Wars? Like, it's not even dark-sighted. It's not. Somebody just cast disabled droid and just watch it jump. Obi-Wan and Anakin didn't, or... It could be going to die off immediately. Didn't know that on Nabu, you know? They didn't know about that.

They didn't. All right. So we're going to go through this underground base. Then we're going to do, visit for next time. We're going to do the polar plateau. And then we're going to do the Secret Academy. Okay. I don't know what's going to happen there.

Polar Plateau. We will be done. Secret Academy sounds like a fucking baller, Nancy Drew. Nancy Drew in the Secret Academy. Polar Plateau Secret Academy and what was the other one? That's it. We're playing through the end of Secret Academy is probably what we're doing. Now, there's a chance that this dungeon will kick your asses and everyone will be like,

fuck, this is so exhausting. Can we not go all the way through the Secret Academy? if that's the case we need to go through at the very least through the end of the set of forced conversations at the beginning of Secret Academy. I can't say more than that. You're going to meet a new character. You're going to have a long conversation with her. I mean, you could cut her off whenever you want to and be like, I'm done talking.

I advise you to dig in. I advise you to do a lot of what's my character feel about this whole situation. It's a big one. And there's some other conversations on either side of that, potentially, that are both also very big. And then you'll be kind of in a new location. That location is not that big. And if at that point, I think what we should try to aim for is finishing the Secret Academy and getting back up in the Ebenhawk before we go to the next planet. And then we'll just pause there when we're back in the Ebenhawk.

You can talk to people if you want to, but we shouldn't go to our next planet after that. But for the listener, the next planet is going to be on Duran if you want to play ahead. Ooh, are we going to go to Duxon? I don't know. The Beast Moon? The Beast Moon of Duxon, who could say? All right, well, with that. What if we see some of our, some vestiges of our old friends from Duxon?

What if you get to like dress like a space barbarian? Yeah, Arca Jeff, damn. Some Exarchoon. X-Arcun's name gets dropped very soon, I think, or maybe. Maybe it already happened. It happened at some point in here. And I was like, oh, shit, that's ex-Arcun. I'm pointing to the screen.

Remember how the SIF granddaddy was like, and now you two will be best friends forever at last like 30 seconds. That was your master plan for like a million years. Like we have to get the two Sith pros, X-Arcoon and what's his face? And then like five minutes later. Yeah. Yeah, one of them's, one of them's architecture and one of them starting a new life. Yeah.

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