A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 120: A Return to Onderon (KOTOR II 11)

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

The Exile and the crew of the Ebon Hawk return to Dxun at the behest of Jedi Master Kevar, loyal guardian of Onderon's queen. Onderon itself is at war, and like everything else in KOTOR 2, this crisis could spiral out of control and destabilize the wider galaxy if things go bad. And that's why the Exile and co will need to split into two teams, finally kill a bunch of Sith randos, and spend like an hour doing basic algebra and deeply confusing logic puzzles. Show Notes Hosted by Rob Zacny (robzacny.bsky.social) Featuring Alicia Acampora (ali-online.bsky.social), Austin Walker (austinwalker.bsky.social), and Natalie Watson (nataliewatson.bsky.social) Produced by Chia Contreras (cado.bsky.social) Music by Jack de Quidt (notquitereal.bsky.social Cover art by Xeecee (xeecee.bsky.social)

Let's get back down in this K-hole, the K-Tor hole, on a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakini, joined by Ali Akampura, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are, as always, supportive by you, our listeners via patreon.com slash civilized. So head over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all our cute. Q and A episodes. This week, we clean things up on Dixon and on Dixon. It's not Dixon. It's fine.

Dixon. There we go. Dixon's like a justified character, right? Yeah, I'm like, we went down to Dixon and we, we clean things up around there. They got beasts. They got beasts. Well, listen, the beast is an insurrection. We spent so long being like, where are the beasts?

and here the beasts were. And they're not even our friends. What the fuck? Okay, there were only like three beasts. So let's not say there were a lot of beasts. Okay, that's fair. There was one big one. I can't believe.

There's one really cool big one. John the floor when the head of the palace guard was like, we just didn't see these. No, sorry, it was the Jedi. It was the Jedi advisor being like, I just didn't see this whole beast situation happening. Brother. It's fucking Auderon, bro.

Yeah. You got, oh, you didn't see beasts from the beast moon. That's all I'm saying. Everyone outside when we were at Anderon last time was like, the beasts are really, something seems wrong with the beasts. To the degree that we were all like, did they forget that something seemed wrong with the beasts?

Well, see, Jedi aren't connected with the people. He's so true. Never been more true than this game. I don't have a big write-up for this one, because this is not a lot. There's not a lot. I mean, like, here's the high level. We get called back to Duxon by Talborn,

the Mandalorian, is like, for three of us, Kavar has sent for you. I have no idea what he said to you, Natalie. Is it even Kelbourne who calls you, or is it a Tobin guy? Tobin guy. But it is, but it is Kelbourne. Calborne is connected with the Tobin guy. Okay, I see.

Right, right, right. So the Mandalorians are on their side in this conflict instead of on Talia's side, basically. Correct. Okay. So we get called back. And when we... Mm-hmm. The Mandalians don't even get involved

Like to say that they're on his side He like took the phone call And they gave you a spaceship I rocked with Mandelor for this whole set So I was kind of in my mind The Mandalorians were there with us Because Mandelor was there with me So I guess that's my

I'm cloudy Mandelaar was in the cave for me Okay that makes sense Speaking of the cave That's what he tells you What we learn is Hey the coup is happening On Anderon

It's at the breaking point They're breaking into Talia's palace chambers right now. You better hurry up and get over there. But something spooky is happening here on Duxan. And it feels like the Sith are going to throw things into chaos by being part of this conflict. And you have to go stop them on Duxin at a Sith tomb if you're going to win this fight against the Sith. I think that's probably true lights out or dark side because you don't like the Sith even if you're dark side. And so you're going to have to behind and conquer. You know, the exile can be like, well, I can't be in two places at once.

And so you have to send a strike team to the Sith tomb in the jungles of Duxin, while the exile, Kraya and the third person go back to Anderan, to fight your way through the streets, up the sky ramp, and into the palace, where for me, there was a final confrontation against General Vaklu that did not go well for General Vaklu. And I guess, for you, Natalie, a final confrontation that didn't go well for Talia? Yeah, rest in peace to Queen Talia, she is dead. Did she still try to, do she do any cool dueling maneuvers like she did for us? Yes, it was the same.

So I watched the very end of your let's, or not, I guess not the very end of your let's play, but I watched the bit with when Vaklu and Talia are fighting each other because I was just curious what it was like for you. And it is exactly the same up until the point where Vaklu is like, all right, everyone, aim and fire. And then you go, stop or whatever. And then for me, it's like, why don't you let me handle this? And I'll, you can either be like, I don't want blood on my hands. You do it.

Or you can be like, I'll fight Queen Talia myself. Because I love blood on my hands. Who has the big, do you still fight the big beast? Tobin's big beast? Yeah. It still just goes, it loses, he loses control of it. And so you have to fight it. Are you fighting Tobin's gods the way that you were?

What happens? You're fighting, uh, uh, like palace guards. No, Tobin, yeah, you're finding the palace guards. I'm asking us because when you fled on Dron before, the dark side option was still that you had to fight Tobin, Vaklu and Tobin's people. And Vaklu and Tobin were just like, just, we can't tell people that you're on our side yet. So you're going to have to fight.

So I wasn't sure if that continued or not. No, masks off. We're all together. Yeah. And Tobin ran into the beast room and got immediately caoed. And so, yeah. And you say he was very useful. Importantly, because at least for three of us, Kraya resurrects Tobin and.

is like, I needed another pawn for my game. What? Did that not happen? Yeah, that didn't happen for us. No. What? Yes, did. That does not.

Does that not? Am I making this up? No, it happened for me. I do not recall this. She did the same thing she did with Hanhar. Yeah. Where she runs up to a guy who's just like passed out and is like, hey, except here it's way more sinister.

With Hanhar, with Hanhar, she's like, Hanhar. I'll be, like, in a weird way, like what she says to Hanhar is scary, but it's like kind of straightforward and here she just lies to him like his coup is over and she's like hey man the coo boss said things have gotten super fucked up and he needs you to go to uh telos to go to deal with the jedi or things might not go well here and she literally says i am with vaklu like literally it's wild that did not happen for me so wait alie are you darksided now No, well, I'm still the line because I helped the like regular people last time and I like farmed light side points by healing all of those guys in the med room and I was like, why am I doing this? Anyway, but I was darksided this time because I was also riding the line with Anderon and I think that I like made one wrong dialogue choice in the bar and somebody overheard me.

It was like, yeah, you fuck with Tobin, right? And that's when he came to me in the bard was like, let's work together but sometimes you have to fight through all our guys for whatever. And then like, I didn't even get the option like you get with the other guy where it's like, yes, I'll help you, parenthesis lie. I was just like in it.

Yeah, you don't get an option to change sides here at all. As far as I know, Rob, you also as the other light side player, you didn't get a betray Talia option or anything, right? Yeah. So I think we just get locked in. I think you're just locked into whatever choice you made, 12 to 20 hours ago. I do think

seven weeks ago. One choice me and Natalie do get is that the evil one, not Tobin. Tobin and Vaklu were both evil. Okay. Yeah. It comes over and is like I'm going to pay you for this and you can like choose between three

sort of significantly different options. The one that I did was like I want all of the four senses of people on this planet to be able to train them. Oh. Which was like, huge. Instead of like, just like, can I have some credits? What's that deal?

Do you know? We don't know yet. Yeah, I don't know if it has an impact. But when I was presented with that choice, because I'm just, I'm just, I'm just pretty evil at this point. I actually was able to persuade him into giving me all of, all of the three choices. Because my persuasion is so high that I was like, I'll take your kids, your force sensitive kids, and go ahead and give me any cool artifacts that Queen Talia has. And why you throw some credits on top as well.

That all work for me. Yeah, I got the treasure and the kids. And then I was like, what about the money? And I actually failed the thing. And he was like, I'm paying you well enough. but I was like, um, the treasure is very funny.

I know we're like jumping to the end here. Rob, did you, did you get the treasure thing with Talia? Yep. There's a big treasure room, right? Yeah.

Well, then at the end, okay, so there's the big treasure room in the palace, which you can loot. And at the end, when you talk to her,

she'll be like, and I was going to give you some treasure that we had, but I guess Vaklu looted it all. That sounds like a you problem. like so yeah damn oh i'm sorry he looted your treasure uh where's my money i yeah it's crazy it's crazy uh i guess as i'm walking as a hiking around ceremonial armor exactly with the rare hey man your lightsaber's looking lustrous that's right it sure is brother i keep that shit

going um we should slow down to go back to the beginning of this probably yes well hang Did they even get at the start of this when they got back on the hawk to head to Duxon get a really intense Bayo speech? What was it? I mean, we may have seen it, but yeah, tell me about it. I had a dream about us last night. Oh. Word? It was the end of the Mandalorian Wars, and we were standing at the viewport, watching all the Jedi and the children dying.

And then we looked at each other. changed a slow nod and we knew what had to be done. Yeah. Are you haunted by that commander? And it's like what? Like it is just, the thing is like parts of it are a dream and parts of it are things he remembers. Yeah.

And it's like, and your responses are, hey man, we had to do what we had to do. It was a, it was a glorious victory. I, too, am haunted by what we did. Right. Yeah. Or the Mandalorians had a coming. Like, that's it. But it is not entirely, like, the speech is highly impressionistic.

It is, like, a dream of, like, you sacrificing tons of Jedi. Like, the battle itself is this, like, huge bloody debacle in part because you and Bayo made some sort of call up there during the battle that caused Malacor. to become an absolute bloodbath. Yeah, does anyone at this point have a sense of what happened on Malacar 5 besides, Rob, what you just said, which is it was a bloodbath. Do you have any sense of what that decision is? Because I think this is like one of the more closely guarded secrets

of the game. Like, it's interesting. No one is saying out loud, here's what happened on Malacar 5. It's the first, I've had no idea. This is the first time. So there have been hints. Other characters have talked about some of the things that people hold against the Jedi is that

just the entire way the Mandalorians were fought the entire like dainuma of that war was like a planet killing like disaster right it's like pure 40K like planets denuded of life etc but this is the first inkling everything to this point is like you were the fleet commander at Malacore

but it's the climactic battle of the war and it breaks Mandalorian power so it kind of sounds like you're so what I'm imagining is like Star Wars Trafalgar type thing, right? And this is the first time I'm hearing something that's a lot more, like, partly a battle and partly a massacre, but like a massacre of your own side that you had to, like, initiate in order to win the, win the war.

It is a, it's the first moment where it's like, oh, like, Bayo is really haunted by something here um like you you guys did something that was more than just a pure like military action against the mandolians well doesn't beaudur say something in this conversation where he's like after he talks about how like the devastation and and you can say something like um you know it was a glorious victory or something and he says he has a response to He says, glorious, it was nothing more than a slaughter. A slaughter caused by one of my creations. Yeah.

So we start to see. Is this a Sabine moment? It would have been well before Sabine. He made a Duchess. He made a Duchess. I'm getting the vibe that he made a Bascarator. He made something fucked up, basically. He made a nuke or something.

Because it sounds like from the way that he describes Malikor 5 is that, the devastation, yes, was beyond typical battle, but it was also just like so all-encompassing and almost as if it was just uncontrollable or unstoppable. Like they killed a bunch of Jedi when they did whatever they did, they killed the time of Jedi along with Mandalorians. Right. I get that vibe from the way that Bounder reflects on this conversation.

or on that moment. I think that it is, we will return obviously to talking about Malacor later, and I think this is also a fun time to remind the listener and maybe ourselves that we've seen a planet called Malacor before in Rebels. This is where Vader and Asoka duel, or that place, where Vader and Asoka duel,

the place that we see that underground Sith temple is Malacore. do you think there's a possibility that what Bayo did was created a very powerful very attractive woman that if you choked her in battle would unleash Mandalorian killing powers that would be what this game

has seemed to be built around or like he like created a Jedi that like inspired love and a kind of love that made you want to kill someone like kill, yeah, mm-hmm, you've all been there. So true. You know, let's let's let me O'Der be the one bit of this game that seems untouched by that

because so far there hasn't been a dead woman tied to him directly. But he did make a super bomb, maybe. Maybe, maybe. But yeah, he was an inventor for a military fighting another military on a planet where there didn't seem to be like there were, as far as I know, Malichor has been described. as being a place that the fighting was happening because there was not many civilians there in contrast to where the rest of the war was taking place. Obviously, Mera's family was there, and Mera's family were slaves, and so those were civilians

technically, but they're also part of the Mandalorian War effort, so it's a little, you know. They were slaves. She was like a child soldier that was like there because she was a slave, but like could have been inducted into the warrior ranks. Real bad. Speaking of Mera being a. soldier. Hang on.

Now, when you do it, it's good. When I do it, it's good. And when I do it, it's unbelievable. I was, when she said, okay, so the beginning of this section, we've just put up into two teams. One team has to go to the Sith Temple. One team has to go back to Anderan. I sent Vsas, Mira, and Baye-Durr to the jungle on Duxon, which worked out great for

ways that we can talk about later. But the highlight of it was, right before we went, I was like, people in the YouTube comments for the let's play have been saying gun Jedi works and I'm skeptical because I see how well lightsaber Jedi works bro gun Jedi works mirro was just you know a few episodes ago we talked about the conversation with mirror where she is like you know I never used to kill people before I started hanging out with you and now I do it all the time and at the time I was like that's really fun writing however I haven't killed anybody with mirror like mirror's barely been in a party like it's very easy I could have gotten to this conversation without

blah blah blah blah forget all that Mira is a mass murderer as far as my game is concerned now Mira was winning fights before anyone could get into melee range Mirro was killing groups of three Sith troopers before any of them

could close distance So she's ranged Did you drop it down easy or is this just like She's putting it down She is doing between 50 and 80 damage per shot and she's shooting four times around So she is crushing it

She is crushing it. She's dual-wielding pistols. The pistols have really good upgrades inside of them, and she's casting for speed. I also just have her back in her regular default jacket again, so she just looks like the mirror art, because that's the only thing that I had that she could wear that gave her the ability to cast force speed, which is armor restricted. And she's just a machine. It's unbelievable how much more strong she is than I thought she would be.

Well, just like Mara. Just like Mara. If Mara dual-wielded. Mara was doing equilibrium shit, as you suggested when I sent you some of these damage numbers, Rob. I don't know,

maybe things were to go a little different, you know? She's just mathematically calculating the optimal fire patterns with her guns. That's right. And nobody can hit center mass when she's doing that.

Because she's doing her gunatas. That is wild to me because like in those battles, so Mira led the team. Okay. And I sent Mandelor and Beo with her. I was like, it's going to be, it's going to be the scout.

Right. And then like all tank squad. Yeah, that's fun. And honestly, like the entire battle, it could have been scored to like, uh, kung fu fighting because especially Bayo, like, I've taken the weapons out of Bayo's hands. He's just running up on people and doing kickboxing and it's great. But the whole concept was him and Mandelor, especially. Mandelor, just unkillable.

They just, they just weighed in there. You can't bring them down. I think the hardest fight, Mandelor got to, like, half health. And beyond that, that was, that was it. So what she was doing was, she isn't, she isn't Jedi yet. Okay. When she was in the temple, she had a force awakening, kind of, when she ran the SIP. But beyond that, no, she was just, she was just like dual wielding, doing rapid shot.

And then, uh, Mandelor is beating people's swords. and then Beo is like doing kung fu. And I'll give the game this with enemies that are tankier. So you see like more hand-to-hand combat animations unfolding. The animation choreography is pretty good in this game. There's some really cool moves, yeah. Yeah, when it's a little less kinetic where it's just like one-hit kills and characters just running around like chickens with their heads cut off

and you have a chance to see the characters like sort of lock and engage. They've done some cool animations here. that give you a sense of, like, real weight and grace to the combat. It really highlights the moments where that breaks down, like in the in-game cutscene moments that sort of close off this chapter where the timing of literally everything that happens is just shot. Yeah, it's very weird. Yeah.

I don't know why they didn't just play some regular-ass combat back and forths that look good. I don't know. It's very weird. Who else did Allie and Natalie, who did y'all bring to the jungle tomb? I had seen boyfriend, which is Atten, Beio, and Mandelor. Okay. Oh, the boyfriends. That's so beautiful.

Yeah. I'm proud of you. That's good. I started off with the boyfriends, but I reloaded this section like three times for some reason because I was just, I was just unhappy with the story of it all. I was like, I'm not going to fucking said. Like, I just, I really couldn't decide who I wanted. lore-wise to be on this mission going into the Sith, the Sith Temple. So I ended up with, and I also really wanted Kraya to tell me good job after each

film that I picked. Right. Because she does that, right? Yeah. She does react to your selections. And most of the responses are pretty neutral. But she does tell you good job for two of them. So I sent Vsauce as my, um, leader. I just feel like she is very competent as a leader. She has strong force abilities between, like, Destroyed Droid, which comes in handy. She's got really high computer.

She's really good at computer. That's so funny. Visas being like, I'm the blind seer who was tortured by Darth Nihilis. And also I love going online. Yeah, I guess so, right. Yeah, sure. She's so, she is my online baddie. and I love her.

And so I sent her, and then I chose Beauder. Sure. And to my surprise, Krayo was like a good choice. I was like, damn, really? Interesting. So I guess that's not interesting. She's also said that to me. I think we all picked Beauder for this.

That's fun. We did. We did. I don't know why. I just felt like. And that means we all got the Beauder thing where he knows the secret code to hack the thing. I didn't even use it

because I just wanted the experience of killing three guys. Sure. Oh, no, you get it. They all blow up at the end. Oh, maybe they don't. Maybe I'm thinking of a different turret thing. There's another turret thing where you hack it

and after you hack them to turn them off, they all just go, you get like 750 XP. And I was like, yeah, good. I forgot to put Mira in a stealth field generator. So she got detected and because it's like, just give me a fucking stealth mode. You don't make me put on a little stealth belt. I hate that.

You have stealth and put the belt on. This is stupid. Yeah, I hate this. I hate this. So she tripped the alarms, had to kill a bunch of guys, and then we used the code.

I see. And I was like, thanks, but it's a good thing we had you here. I actually really loved, so I also tripped the alarm, but I then loaded my save and just said, okay, well, can I do it?

Because what I realized, so for the people who are listening, you land in the jungle. Sorry, who is your third person, Natalie? And then we'll come back to what you do. My third person was Mandelor. Fair. You're on, you're with the Mandalorian crew, et cetera.

Yeah, made sense. You head off into the jungle towards the Sith temple and you have to approach it and there are Sith troopers all around, including a Sith officer who's very funny. We'll get to him. When you can go through a tunnel and the tunnel has been mined. And about halfway through, Beauder is like, you know, he doesn't say general because you're not there. But he says, oh, there's a thing up there that's like a, you know, connected to their security systems. But I have the code for it because it's a certain. that I've run into, it's like, I don't know if it's a Zerka model. It's like, it's like a specific

type of motion detector. And he's like, I know this. I know what the codes are. Use a stealth field generator. Go up there and then, and then use my code to turn it off. And this is like, rare moment where the dungeon design worked for me because it was like, okay, I can use the Beauder code. Vsas has the, um, the stealth I need, but not the, does not have the demolition, But Mira can walk through the various minds. So she was able to go up and clear most of the way. But Mira didn't have the stealth. So she couldn't get close enough to do it herself.

But she cleared the way so that they could then switch to Vsauce, walk Vsau's hand in solo mode in stealth, and then put it in the Beauder code. And that was like, oh, my God, they made like a regular dungeon puzzle. Holy shit. That's just the way, that's just the way you do this. This is how it would be in Baldur's Gate, except all that. the controls would be better so yeah rare and it's tied to a character's backstory oh my god beauder is the technical expert and so he knows some stuff awesome well yeah it was like he had the company override codes that's what it was he knew he was a freelancer who kept his old passwords

that's fucked actually he downloaded the drives hell yeah um but yeah that's such a rare moment in these games actually to feel like oh i brought the right combination of people for this particular dungeon or puzzle or quest or whatever because so often I feel like we just rely on our exile to be the you know the the the like a can opener or like a universal remote for the whole game that can just do everything you want them to do and if they can't do computer then they have the alter skill that right like my my my exile cannot do computer at all let me tell you she is not online um but it is it it's i haven't really had a moment like that that's felt really synergistic um but i think

it's also because i am usually trying to break the game to just give me as much experience as possible rather than letting letting some experience go by the wayside and doing something more fun and interesting. And to be clear, it doesn't like matter. This isn't like a deep moment of Beauder lore, but actually that's kind of why I was happy with it. I think we've talked a lot about one of the things this game is missing is, Allie, you've talked about this, that like, it's weird to see the whole crew together in a

moment because it doesn't feel like they're doing stuff together. And this felt like, to compare it to something we've talked about a lot, like a Rebels episode where there's a B plot where like the three non-ezra Canaan members, of the crew are off doing a different thing and getting to, like, be together. And there's one moment of that actually happening here was like, oh, cool, like, the rest of my crew is hanging out. They, you know, in my game now, Beauder and, uh, and Mira have seen Visas, like, resist the draw of the dark side with their own two eyes. I now would believe that they have some, like, feelings about this person who's been living in the side room for the last six months. And, like,

oh, wow, they actually, like, engage in combat together. And, like, I wasn't there. It wasn't just about me and my bond with them. That's cool to me. That's cool. The thing, it feels like a, I think Rebels B plots rule. Basically, I don't fully get, though, how these two pieces fit together. Like, it's kind of a cool concept. Like, okay, jungle team needs to go fight their way to the Sith, the Sith sepulchre.

Skybridge team needs to go save the Queen. These two things feel completely disconnected from each other. And maybe they're going to tie it together where like what the Sith we're trying to do was tied to, but it really just kind of does feel like, I don't know, the Sith paying respects and you just go and wreck them. And by the way, the Sith have brought the, the Sith have like looted a Pier 1 and have brought all the wicker baskets. It's so funny, the wicker baskets. Yeah, I kind of guess they're doing battle meditation or something. something, or they're doing a ritual, but it's not clear why. Sorry, Natalie.

But aren't they, aren't they behind the beasts that are in the palace? Or no? What's that? Did I... Oh, yeah, no, they did stir up the beasts. Oh, they were doing the beasts. That you fight in... Yeah. Yeah. That's them, right? Yeah. But what's

weird is, they did it. They successfully stirred up the beasts, right? Or are they trying to mind-control the beasts? That's the thing. You have the Andron, like, the two guys being like, well, the Sith are working with us. But when we get to the palace, we're going to have to betray them because they're going to betray us. So they just kind of like go around that to have the same enemy types and to have you have a reason to fight the Sith. I see.

But in theory, yeah, they are working with the interactionist. Wait, yeah. It's so funny. They're literally like, you need to go fuck up the Sith. at the tomb. And once you do, the Sith we're working with are going to turn on us. So we need you. So we need you with us, the exile, and you need to send an elite task force to deal with the, to just go fuck up the Sith while they're praying. Well, because they're betraying the Sith to side with you as their Jedi, right? They're like, my, I suppose so.

My read on this is that they are like, and this comes up time and again where it's like, hey, siding with the Sith does not work out well for the people of Anderan. So what if they sided with the evil Jedi instead of siding with Darth. To be fair, Darth Nihilis seems bad. I would not want to side with him. You're siding with him because you think he's going to win. And if the exile shows up and seems like they're going to win, I would absolutely be like, hey, you and me, actually, fuck these other Sith guys, get them out of here. I don't want to side with the Sith. I want to side with a bad Jedi. That's right. Like, this is like, who is the Al Swarringen of? That's right. of Star Wars and give me that guy.

Yeah. Is it compromised? Yeah. So you're going to do some real dirt that's not morally redeemable? Uh-huh. Is there a logic to it and some sort of morally defensible end? Yeah. There probably will be.

Hopefully. Yeah. Also, this is the most Star Wars brain thing. I fucking love it. Star Wars sometimes. Uh-huh. So we're doing a revolution. We're laying siege to the palace.

The Royal Guard has been turned. The head of the military has changed allegiances. We have a, we have a hacker, a security special specials. who can break the palace systems. What else do we need to make sure this, this, this, this coup works out? Big dogs. That's right.

What? Hang on what? No, no, no. The closers for this thing. It's not going to be the Royal Guard. It's not, no, no. It's not going to be the big dog, the light sabers. No, uh-uh. You've to understand, the queen has a special, uh,

power force field. Only a really big dog can get through the force field. if he hits it enough times in a row. Cool. I mean, doesn't the guards of the throne, like, don't they have, like, guns? I think you're not saying how big the dogs are. I think, hang on.

I'm not talking about, like, mid-sized dogs. We're not, like, huge. Big dogs. Oh, you mean, like, like, like, rancor size? Well, no, like... Like, a baby rancor. It's not a rancor. It's not a rancor.

Don't get me wrong. That'd be dangerous. Like, if that's the spectrum working with, then, like, definitely dogs out of the spectrum than rancor. It's like what if a dog had ranker energy That's right Is kind of what

But the point is we can't do this coup Without this All right so you got like you got like Well trained like killer dog Well well trained no No we're gonna do a spell That makes the dog real mad Real mad at force fields

And at royalty God It's it's fantastic It's like the entire thing hinged on this On the on the dogs Well and here's the And then they keep losing control of them You keep coming into cutscenes where it's like, oh, shit, the dogs.

Are they losing control because the away team has fucked up the ritual? And so now they can't control the big dog anymore. It's a dog ritual? I thought it was a ghost ritual. Well, maybe it's a little bit. Did we have dogs, Alley? I don't remember. Rob is describing the big lizard, the beasts of Anderan as being dogs.

This is the bit that Rob is doing. We've already talked about the beasts. You have to introduce the. the dog bit when we're talking about the beast in the first place. I'm thinking there's fucking dogs that I miss in the game. I thought I was crazy. I was like, wait, when did they have

dogs there? You kept describing the size. To me, there's dogs. You just let them off the leash. They go in there. You should have made the dog joke like 10 minutes ago when we first started talking about

the beast. I got so confused. Our poor listeners, like, What the fuck? There's dogs there? There's dogs now? I'm the listener right. Austin journeyed with me. I understood it.

I got you. Because we were talking about what was going on with the ritual. And it seems like what's happening with the ritual is beast control is part of it in some way. And maybe by stopping the ritual, we stop them controlling the beasts. Like the big beast, the big dog, the mini rancor that you fight at the force field. He just turns around and slaps Tobin. He does. He really does.

There's another very Star Warsy thing here that I love. And then actually I wish there was more of in Star Wars. There was a lot of it in the Sith, um, uh, imperial, sorry, the imperial agent story in Star Wars, the old Republic, which is, uh, kind of like put upon bureaucrats, put upon evil bureaucrats who have to deal with Sith bullshit. Um, before you get to the tomb, you get to like a, um, a Sith camp. And there's a guy who is, who you get to like go through his diary entries of him, like, setting up the camp and then like waiting for news from above and stuff. And it's only like

four particular things. But it's just he is miserable. He is scared because the Sith quote, do not tolerate any failures. He's like, you know, everyone is on edge. We're doing executions for minor infractions. He's like, there's 50% more executions than my previous command, which is very funny and dark. He's like, we keep getting equipment and men and the Equipment just goes right in the tomb. They don't let me in the tomb. I don't know what's going on in the tomb. I'm just doing stuff outside near the spaceship.

And then at the very end of it, he says, the Sith soon say we'll have reinforcements. When I asked for details, he said it was a surprise. I hate the ones with a sense of humor. Sith jokes are rarely pleasant. This guy rules. Ripped to this guy, I definitely killed him. I definitely shot him 72 times with Mirro.

He even looks kind of a hang dog in the recordings. He does. He's beat, man. He hates being here. He's like, get me back to Narshadah. It's wet. It's gross. Reassigned me now.

It is wet and gross. This place sucks, man. It's raining out here. There's an evil tomb. Why is there an evil tomb? I don't want to be here. You know, isn't that bad, though? The tomb.

Yeah, you know what's cool about the tomb? Is that the tomb has, the tomb has a dark side kitty pools, dark side force. Oh, did you all just, like, absorb the dark side? Wait. Energy? Yeah, you want to know what happens? I thought that was just going to be lightning damage that we were going to take. No.

I also thought that, but you stand in the middle of it and you can, like, interact with it. Yeah. What it gives you was temporary, but it's really good, Rob. If you can withstand on the light side, if you can withstand, I don't know what the dark side versions is, but I had Vsauce sit in both of them. And she had to, like, center her mind, which, again, is, like, a really fun thing for the character who had already been tortured by the Dark Jedi. And now she gets to, like, confront to the dark side again. She got plus four strength, plus four con from both of them, temporary, for the rest of the dungeon, which turned her into like, she was doing mirror numbers, you know? So good.

It's great. You know what she did for me? What did she do? Oh, you've evil Vsauce. I have evil Vsauce. She just gained a new dark side power. What? So I got both force lightning and force storm for free.

That's wild. You know what? The Sith have some points. I don't like it's slow. What the fuck? You know? Oh, the Sith have some points maybe. That's wild.

They had some points. Yeah. You just got the power outright? Mm-hmm. That's wild. Okay, I'm looking at how this works and it's whatever the, it's a list and you with the first one on the list that you don't already have. I guess I did. Yeah.

Yeah, I did give her like the, because I've been running out. out of powers to give Vsau's because she's just at a certain point, I know I'm not going to use all of these, but I have, you know, a skill point to spend. So I'm just grabbing random stuff. So I think I just like had the, you know, level one for most of the dark side powers. But I was like, I really should get her force lightning up. And then I walked into the pool and they were like, Hey, you got force lightning now. I was like, woohoo, free force lightning. Yeah, I'll take that.

That rules. Oh, and minus six dark side points or plus six dark side points. Yeah, minus six morality points or whatever. It's where we don't have a name for like the meter. Because you can't call it the light side meter or the dark side meter. It's just like. Is it the force meter? Is it the alignment?

It's the alignment. Alignment is what it's called. She gives minus six alignment. is evil is dark side positive is light side is awesome hey what else is in the room with those big lightning pits oh well let me tell you wait the terminals the terminals um who did math i did math pretty good i did math pretty good in this episode or in this section what i didn't do very good is informal or as formal logic with the word puzzle that took me for fucking ever.

But the two things that were like, do a little algebra, I was fine with. I looked up the answer to every single one of these. I was like, I am not doing math. Good for you. I am not doing your funny little. As soon as the logic, I would like somebody to read out the logic puzzle for the listener and see if we won't reveal the answer. Yeah, this is great.

Thank you. We'll give you a couple, a couple seconds to kind of pawn. You can pause the podcast while you think about it. Yeah. But see if you can get this. Okay, I got it. On a first try. I think I got it here, which I, again, I spent about 30 minutes total on this thing.

So, and I, I did get it eventually, but I, I don't think I, I don't know that I could actually explain to you how the puzzle properly worked. It does make sense. I don't think. As a Googler, I can. No, I think people talk, people talk about it making sense. I don't think it makes sense the way that they talk about it. One second. Sorry, I'm trying to actually...

Where the fuck? Wait, where... I thought I had it, but maybe I don't have it. Is it the northern terminal or is it the southern... Okay, you go ahead and read it then. Okay. The Sith were working on this old computer terminal. Oh, wait, that's the wrong one.

Okay, well, it seems like a delicate operation. Yeah, it appears to have been a delegate... Delicate, not delegate. It appears to have been a... delicate operation, your options are to either attempt to repair the terminal or leave the terminal alone. And if you make the wrong choice, when you do this puzzle, it will explode the terminal and you will not be able to use it again. So you choose to attempt to repair the terminal. Okay. The ancient terminal tells you there are six core modules. They are labeled

A through F, and one is dangerously unstable and needs to be replaced. The Sith have run a diagnostic report with each module to indicate which other modules are fully operational. Four of the diagnostic reports have a single error on them. Two reports are completely accurate. The unstable Modules Diagnostic Report is one of the two that produces accurate results. The reports are A, F, E, B, D, C, E, C, E, B, F, A, F-A-A-C, E-F-A-C, E-F-A-E-F-A-E, E-F-E, F-A-E, E-F-E, F-E, F-E, F-E, D, C, and F, A, C, D. So those three letters that I read after A, B, C, D, E, F are the reports. That's the thing.

I took me, so it took me, what I, like, tried to do the puzzle. I left, and then when I came back, it clicked in that they were the reports. That I understood. Or they were the reports from each of the modules. That I understood. This is going to be unlistenable as a podcast, so we shouldn't try to work it all out. here. No, absolutely not.

As soon as I saw this shit, I was like, hell no, I'm fucking looking this up. The thing people say is C shows up in four of the six reports, therefore that's the one that's broken. And I actually think that's a really good real life way to make, let's just try it. Fuck it. Let's just try it. It shows up in four. But I actually don't think that the logic is sound in a way that's certain based on the way

this stuff is written. It's maddening to me and weird. Well, yeah, well, I think it's written weird because I think the way that you're supposed to understand it is because it says that there are four that are saying that there's one error and two that are saying that it's correct. And it sounds like the two, there are two that are correct and four that are wrong. Right. But there are two that are wrong because the other ones are saying that at least one of the other ones are bad. And we know that one is bad. Yeah, I think that you're right.

So all of the ones that are pointing to see are correct. Yeah. Or are they complete? But I guess here's the other thing that's tough. Each of the things has three letters on them, right? And so are we supposed to believe that each of those four are wrong about two of the three other ones? We can't go down this road.

This is nonsense to listen to. Also, I think the way this stuff is presented and has been this way. throughout the game is just typed in to the game like so earlier there's like sort of a tumbler puzzle but done with characters oh right the one that rotates on narshada yes yes there's a there's a tumbler locking puzzle where two interlocking tumblers yes but it's depicted with characters yes not like any sort of like graphical depiction yeah so routinely things are just made really obscure in this because it's like the shape of the puzzle is just like typed into an excel sheet yeah And then presented as text in the game, and it's like, you can figure this out.

And it makes the towers of, what was it? Towers of Hanoid, yeah. Yeah, puzzle. It makes that look graceful by comparison. Like, I took one look at these, and you know me. I am puzzle slut. I know this about you. The second I saw this, I was like, no, no, I'm good. Well, I just, I can't.

Here's the other thing. Quick save. You could say, like, no, I'm done. I don't want to actually do this right now. Quick save. load the save, try A, try B, try C. Like, it's such low friction to just force it. And you don't lose anything by doing that.

Why not just fucking do that? At that point, it's not a good puzzle. You know what I mean? Or it's not a good puzzle. It's that the format for the puzzling is not good enough for me to actually want to sit there and figure it out, which I did still do. I did still do it for some reason. I guess because I was watching because I was recording it.

I didn't want to be seen not even trying to do the puzzle. I also did ace the algebra one right away And then whatever the last year You did do that in like 30 seconds I did in like 30 seconds I was like damn PEMDOS has not left your brain It's in here

You do the parentheses first That's the P and PEMDOS That's right I think that's the PEMDOS Yes And then there's a third puzzle in here somewhere I don't even remember what that one is I don't even remember what it is

It's another math one right Yeah Is it even a puzzle I thought there was a third one But maybe I'm wrong More importantly there are wicker baskets It's everywhere in here, and it forced me to look something up. What?

Where is Wicker inside of Star Wars? And it's in three things. Can anyone guess where the three things of Wicker exist in all of Star Wars? Here's one of them is Cotor 2. Isn't one of the Ewok's name? Wicked. That's Wicitt. Very close.

But you are close. But I do think it implies Wicter, and don't they have, like, Wicker shields? They do not have Wicker shields in that movie in Return of the Jedi. Wicker appears in Knights of the Old Republic, too, obviously, in Knights of the Old Republic. I want to make a call. Yep. I'm going to throw a shot to Duku Jedi Lost. Oh, I so wish it was Duke Jedi Lost.

It is an episode of Ewok's, the cartoon from 1985, 1986 that I just sent. And it's- I know he gets partial credit for that. Why? Yeah, I did mention E-WO. You did, yeah. You mentioned EWAC before. Thank you, I give you that.

The sun king of Endor had wicker furniture in his palace, apparently. A lot of stuff was going on in the 80s in Expanded Universe Star Wars. Things had not been standardized yet. You were just out here being like, there's a sun king on Endor. He had a sister, the flower queen and the leaf queen and the brother of the snow queen. I like this little squad here. They should bring him back. Bring him back.

I like this homie. Is the homie on the right, the sun king? Uh, I think that that's, no, the one on the right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the one on the right. Yeah, this is Star Wars. This is Star Wars. Personality and traits. It's a quote from him.

He says, bummer. That's so true. Wait, that is my guy. I need to, I need to meet this man immediately. He's fucking chilling over here. I got to be honest. I think he's kind of given Rob's acne a little bit to me. I think he is, I think he is like, he is like, you know, holding court.

Is he L.A. He's giving L.A. Rob. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. If you aren't familiar with L.A. Rob. Oh, my God.

The Sun King was an extremely laid-back entity, lazing on the indoor beaches with his quote-unquote dudes, a word for which he had a fondness. He was the antithesis of his sister, the flower queen who often fussed about affairs of state and her appearance, which while he could not care less, he had brown and yellow hair and beige skin and eyes. He was able to use a powerful,

force-abute artifact known as the season scepter. He could change the climate of the moon of Endor. This guy sounds awesome. This guy sounds so good. This guy can just smite the ground with his season scepter and turn it into like a Corona commercial.

Yeah, 100%. Can you imagine, okay, can you imagine if in Rise of Skywalker, when they go to the shores of Endor to like look at the wreckage of the second death star, the sun king is just there with the season scepter and then we don't need we don't need to have harrison ford come back

as an inexplicable force ghost we could have the sun king vendor just deliver some life wisdom to kaila red dude you're really being a bummer to everybody in your life right now you got to knock it the fuck he says it he says fuck and they get they get one so wait you're telling me, you tell me this girl's like hung up on you, but you need to chase your destiny as a dark jet? I don't know. I don't know, man. This doesn't seem like a difficult one to me. Exactly. Listen, I got a place in Virginia Beach. I'll let you, I'll let you crazy kids use it for the weekend. Uh, something else about this dungeon. Hey, we fight people with lightsabers for like the first time in this game. There are finally Sith in this game who use lightsabers. At least for me,

they were using lightsabers, which felt like a little, it felt weird that it's taken this long. I realized last session, or maybe the session before, when I was trying to outfit everybody, I was like, I'm sorry to the disciple, you don't get a lightsaber. We don't have enough lightsabers. And I was thinking about all like the force forms you're using or learning that like saber forms. And some of them are like, this is really good against someone with a lightsaber. I was like, who the fuck has a lightsaber?

I'm not fighting anybody with lightsabers. Finally, we do get to duel a knockover, a knockoff, a, a knockoff, Sith Lord. I forget what this guy's name even is in the crypt, but you fight some Dark Jedi masters or whatever, and they were punks. I felt really like I was building up to like a finally we're going to do a lightsaber duel, and these guys just got got, so. Yeah, were they even named? No, they're not, they're not even, Sith Master.

Loser. Big loser. He doesn't have a name like Freedom Nod. Hell, yeah. Frieden Nade, who we read about. Freed and Nad is in our comics from last year. This game is so Kevin J. Anderson-pilled. Everything in those comics is just coming back out.

I also love this series where you keep like, ooh, here's a historic, creepy Star Wars location. Tiny little badly texture grave with a lumpy, like, a lumpy, like, you know, two polygely. model of some bones and it's like here's you know what those may comment about like we're all liking death you know the king of the pawn go back in the same box uh so that's that here here lies for you to nat by the way uh had a very nice uh like double blade but wasn't lightsaber it was a it was a dual blade thing oh he he is too you can get his short lightsaber here

too can't you get like i did get that his short Lightaber fucking sucks, man. But his dual blade is good. Oh, I see. And it only is usable for dark aligned people, but Mandelor is dark aligned. And so he immediately got his upgrade and was just cutting, cutting people in half. Yes, indeed. Didn't Friedanad do some bad stuff with the Mandalorians?

Wasn't he tied to? Okay. Oh, right. He is He's the guy who like gets in Ula Keldroma's head, I think. I'm pretty sure that's right. Or maybe that's Nagasadau.

I don't remember. There's so many of these guys. I got a Keldroma belt. He was the Jedi. He was like the Jedi like special kid. He was the one that he was like, oh, everyone was like, wow,

Friedanad, you're going to be such a good Jedi. You're going to be such a good Jedi. Oh, interesting. But then he killed his master. Sure. Right? That's how that goes. That is how that goes.

That is exactly how that goes. I can't believe the thing it was so silly. There was like Ex-Arcun is going to be such a good Jedi. And the first time we meet Ex-Arcun, he's like being a racist to his cat buddy. I remember this. You stupid fucking animal. You goddamn Kerr. It's like, whoa, ex-Arcun, that's a little heated.

We're just sparring. And he was like, this subhuman piece of trash should not be allowed to step into the ring with me. Ex-Arcun, you're going to be such a good Jedi. We love your passion. But you just tone it down a little bit. Do you fucking relax. Speaking of these characters and this sort of gear, I think a very funny thing that's been happening to me a lot is I'm finding gear from one, gear from Kotor 1, like just straight up like. Yeah.

Did anyone else find Jolie's robe? Well, so that's, sorry, that's even different. The first thing is just like, oh, here is the circlet of Suresh, which is the thing my Revin found is tied to, like, I don't know if you remember there was like a love triangle story that was like told via data pads and gear in the first game. I found that same literal piece of gear. But then, yes, Jolie Bindo's robes. And what I think that I think is very funny in a lot of those write-ups, like on the descriptions, they're like, no one could say that these are definitely Jolie Bindo's robes. And one of them was explicitly of a character and expanded universe

character who like was on a ship that got blown up in deep space and so the robes are like now they're not pro there's a good chance these are not actually that person's robes but they seem to have power just like her and i'm like why'd you even fucking name the robes after this this person i think it's kind of funny for them to have such seriousness about the lore to be like now we can't technically say these are definitely jolly bindo's robes but they have the vibes of jolly bindo There's a California champagne inspired by that same French excellence. That's right. Like, that's kind of the vibes of the shit you find where it's like,

Robs allah Bindo. Yep. I can't say whether these are actually historical documents or artifacts, but no, who's to say, if someone could have worn this at that time? Someone in the comments of the list player was like, I think it was that's where it was. It was like, they give a certain, like, Catholic relic. thing where it's like, oh, this is definitely the fingerbone of a saint. And it's like, doesn't even really matter if it's the fingerbone of a saint or is it just like enough to like

evoke Jolie Bindo's fingerbone, you know? Actually, Jolie's robes I can't wear because I don't have anybody neutral who's a Jedi. Howley, are you still neutral enough to wear the Jolie Bindo robes if you found them? I have not tried it, but I should because I think I am. Rare neutral aligned gear in this game. So they seem good. like the only only neutral robe I think shout us to Jolie I'm not mistaken let's see it gives you

defense bonus three charisma plus four and regenerate force points one yeah thumbs up sounds fine shout outs anyway I found two of them so I was like Dan he just left his whole ass closet Jolley what are you getting up to why are you taking

your rows off and hide them in the Sitz two Going into the Sith tomb and getting naked twice. Don't worry about me. Don't worry about me. You worry about your robes. I'll worry about my robes. All right. Don't worry about what's in my robes.

I'm pursuing knowledge outside the Jedi order. So don't worry about it. God. It's not where things were headed for Cotor 2. And he's like, nah. I'm good. I'm good. I'm going to find a little thing.

We're going to go out to the jungle. Yeah, exactly. And that's it for this side, basically. There's nothing else of note here. Nope. And so then at the end of that, you beat up on, so the, the, the Sith apprentices are like, for me, they told Mira, like, you realize you're a force sensitive. Come join the dark side. And I'm like, nah, you kind of make a bit of bad pitch.

I did try to hear them out. It just wasn't very good. And then the Mandalorian who's been guiding you, runs up, and he's like, let me tell you what happened to your other squad. And then it's off to join the assault team to go liberate the Capitol. You get this fucking bad version of a basilisk war droid. I'm so mad at this thing. So do you remember in the first game, Candace would have these stories about what war was like. And he tells you a story about riding a basselisk.

Basilisk War droid down from orbit onto the ground and, like, doing all sorts of badass, you know, the stuff that Kanderas is famous for. You get a basilisk war droid here, and it's just a spaceship. It's supposed to be like a weird, like almost like animalistic droid that you ride on the back of, but instead it's just kind of like a starfighter, which I thought. It's like if an ant eater was a. was a droid that you could ride. That's what the real ones are, you mean?

Yes, because this one is just like a Starfighter. Yeah, this is the one where he's like, I remember it well orbiting high above a placid world. Its defense is just stirring. I remember sitting there in my armor linked directly to the basilisk thrumming beneath me, my heart racing with fear for the coming battle. This whole long thing he gives about like going through the atmosphere and all of that. And then you see it here and it's just, it's not even like the design that's in the comics. It's just like a spaceship. Yeah.

I don't really know why. It's so whack. Yeah, it is, it is extremely whack. It's just like sauceless. Even for being like, okay, you're not going to do the cool ant eater, whatever, that's fine. But it's also just a sauceless shit. Yeah. In general.

And I think that's the other thing about it is like it's another instance of these games being too cowardly to adopt the weird fantasy aesthetics of the comics. And instead just kind of like being. I say cowardly. That's why be too strong. They may have been just told, you have to make this look like regular Star Wars because it looks perfectly fine as like a Sith ground transport fighter or something.

But like it doesn't have the weirdness of what the Cotor comics have. And this thing has been in some of the, or the older public comics, the Tales of the Jedi comics have. And I do wish that it had had those. So, yeah. Oh, one last thought about the Sith encampment.

Oh, please. the temple. I do love that at the end of this series, there's an implication that the Sith are never going to be able to be a respectable brand for people to just go work for the Sith again, like, that they're going to have to become the empire to recruit people to do things like overseeing encampment or a dig site or like run a space station because they are such toxic managers that, like, you got this guy who's like, I hate, I hate working for the Sith. I hate like I'm I came here to put the boot down on the Republic and instead I am finding myself in Michael Crichton's Congo like and my entire I'm the guy who has to go set the sentry guns up to

deal with the beasts and and if I don't set them up real good the beast get me and if the beast don't get me the Sith will just kill me and so I I do enjoy that like the Sith have like a bureaucracy in these two games but each each like last game the sith are basically an empire with like a fully functional navy bureaucracy etc this one they've got like a vestigial like level of that yeah but also they're led by the three creepiest warlords sorry two creepiest warlords we haven't met the third yet the betrayer her time to reveal herself has not yet comes says crea yeah really who's that who could that be we'll find out yeah we'll see we'll see we'll see we'll see

I wonder if I'm ever going to get betrayed in this game I don't know it seems like no Shirley Cray has been really honest with me That's right Trissel of my squad mates God I got all of those Disciples that you described by the way Natalie of her fucking with

Cray had fucking with the disciple They're so funny I finally got the first one I finally got the last one of those And it's it continues to be hilarious He's literally pranking him. Oh, my God.

He does have Saja energy. Holy shit. Yeah, 100%. That's what he is. For people don't remember or didn't listen. First of all, pause and go back and listen to us, talk about the Galactic Star Cruiser. The Galactic Star Cruiser had non-Jedy force. Fanboys.

Fanboys, yeah, force. I wouldn't say practitioners is wrong, but they were like accolates to the idea of the force, but not even like the rogue one. They weren't like the monks of Jeddah. It's like the way Republicans say they're Catholic now, like, but they're not, but they just like like the vibe of thinking they're Catholic. And then also what if they were like a little frat broie, like a little, they want to break out the guitar and play you some songs and look into your eyes, you know?

They definitely want to break the guitar out since and six songs to Natalie. I just have to say that it was traumatizing to. try to RP opposite Asaja. It was one of the most embarrassing moments of my life. I tried really, you should just go listen to that podcast. I'd go back in a

second. I mean, I was terrible. I mean, I'd be there tomorrow. I would, it was awful, but like a fussy taunton at the end of the night. I'd be drunker. I'd be drunker. I would be spending more time in the commissary. Oh, I would have gotten way more smashed. 100%

I would have had like 20 Dagaba swamps a night give me the fucking what was the volcano drink oh my god that volcano drink oh yeah the Malacore or something Was it that?

No no it had to be Mustapar It had to be Mustafar The Mustafar like craters Crate reactor There was that's the big That is what I'm thinking of That was the big thing we got with all the tubes The Star Wars Fishbowl

We have to figure out a trip We have to figure out a Star Wars trip Sometimes we should go to that funny European one We should We should Anyway He has sage energy And not only the other

The cut scenes you were talking about Last time Natalie With Kraya teasing him And like just letting him see the future or whatever He discovers some stuff that's coming up And she doesn't say what it is But she's like Zap I'm going to make sure you don't

remember that until the last moment. I also got a cutscene of him being like, you know, I've been, you know, he doesn't say general. He doesn't say exile. I forget what he calls you. But he, whatever he says, you know, Jedi, I've been looking at all the data and I've come to a startling conclusion. All of the different worlds are traveling to are connected. And also, there's a wound in the force. And it seems like if we don't do something, I'm like, bro, that's the plot of the game we're in. That's the plot of, you're telling me nothing. I told you. There's a point where he's like, did you know that the force? Like, I made you a Jedi. In the last scene that you were in, I made you a Jedi. You do not get to tell me how the

force works. He's so goofy. Literally, let me eject him from the ship. Please. He is giving me nothing. Kraya is getting distracted, pranking him all the time. Like, if you've got Krea just doing pranks now there's obviously you're just a problem you're a problem for the balance of the whole ship It's so bad Get out of here Bits

She doesn't have a bit with him She does do a bit with him it's true Stupid The first one he's just like in the little room that he hangs out in It's like it feels like it's the medical bay But it's not And she's just like standing in the doorway And he's like

Oh is there someone behind me and she just disappears. It's so goofy. She hates this guy. Go back to the room, ma'am. What are we doing? Anyway, I didn't bring him anywhere. He's going to live on the ship

for the rest of this game, basically. I'm never talking to him ever again. I was just going to say, I'm mad that, like, I couldn't refuse him because I just noticed that his portrait replaced the handmaidens in my thing, and I'm like, come on, man. You used the special item in your inventory

to, like, summon her now. It sucks. It's so annoying. You can't, like, You can still choose her for a party, but, like, you have to, like, hit pause, go over to your inventory. You have to bring somebody else out, then go in and summon her once you're, like, in the world, which is very annoying because there's some places you can't do that. So, anyway. In our last Q&A episode, somebody wrote in and was like other areas of the game, you'd like to see things expanded and built out.

I do feel like the Anderon coup plot is horribly underbaked, and it's an idea of one of my favorite. things, which is like a capital on the cusp of a revolution. Like one of my favorite movies is Peter Wears the Year of Living Dangerously, which is about a like newspaper correspondent in, I think Indonesia, like in the waning days before a military dictatorship that would run the country for the next like 30 years, like takes power. And the entire thing is just like the eerie like tension that begins to build in this, in this country, in the city, as like, there's this, there's the sense of everyone knows

that the political order is like on its last legs. Everyone knows that something's gonna, it's gonna break. Nobody knows what that's going to look like or how bad it's going to be, but it gives everything the sort of like energy and menace and a weight to the mundane. And we haven't gotten any of that here, but we got in the climax of what seems like a cool story.

but because the story wasn't told effectively nothing has been set up there's really no drama to it instead it's like we filled a bunch of hallways with different enemy skins yeah and you're not to go fight your way in here but there is no sense of you you wait waiting into the middle of the civil war the hallways are pretty cool it's cool that the palace has a little museum that you can rob I even like the idea of like oh we're fighting our way up the bridge and there's the big final you know conflict with the room filled with guys fighting there's stuff in here there's a moment when you're running through one of the palace hallways where you can like see fighting is happening in a different room through like a little window and I was like damn that's like really fun level design for this game you can then go in there and try to like win the fight for your crew

and that's cool like actually makes it feel like there is a running battle happening but you're right the build wasn't there you know there's like a real like the end of the wrestling rivalry has like a really great match, but you were not invested in the rivalry itself in any way. And it's like, I mean, I like to find, like, that's cool, I guess. But like, I don't, who are these guys? I don't know what their deal is. I think that it's, it's starting to make me think about what you could do with this game if

you knew that it wasn't going to get the full dev cycle. And the thing I keep thinking about is like, what if they cut Corribon, which we haven't gotten to yet, and maybe we'll feel like Corribon is actually good. And what if they really just did the opening stuff through Atris and maybe even trimmed some of that down. They did Narcadah. They maybe trimmed that down from where it is in the Sith Lord Restoration thing. They buffed up what's happening here in Anderan.

And then they made the final section that we're going to get to in a couple of weeks that we're going to be doing for like the remainder of the show after Corribon. If they trim that down to be a little small and they treated this less as a sequel and more as like an epilogue game or standalone standalone expansion, you know, maybe you even cut the Duxon part of Duxon Anderon out and just let you go right to Anderon instead of doing the Dux and stuff. I think that there's like the dream version of this game for me is increasingly a tighter, smaller one with expansion in the areas that like this, that need it. And where, frankly, we know that the writing could have been better because we get glimpses of pretty good writing throughout. I think that that would be my new how to fix Cotor 2 is like cut some of these plans.

We did not need to go to Dantuin as a real planet. I think anything that's going to happen in Dantuin in the future could have happened somewhere else or we could just go back to the place that we're going to go on Dantuin. We didn't need the whole planet of Dantuin. So, yeah, give me a director's cut. Then let me be the director of the director's cut. Also, how many of these planets have just been, you go there? There is some sort of conflict between some rebel or, like, bounty hunter,

shell and you can sort of align yourself with the government but it kind of doesn't matter and it's just these two groups fighting each other and then you just kind of leave and don't care about it. The exchange on Narcadat was the same way. You're right. Like the exchange and the Syracco guys or even just getting the exchange's approval or not on Narcadah. The Syracos guys imply like some kind of gang war, turf war, but nothing is done with it. So it's kind of pointless. And And under on, like I still can't believe our big quest was solving the mystery of a guy got his ass beat kills what happened to the droid what happened to the droid that's it yeah and oh the

droid you mean so there's a big oh by the way and the way into the bar where the entire case happens there's a pile of droid parts on the ground yeah anyway oh you can't interact with it can't interact with it yet why the blood stain that's on the floor that hacker who i fully forgot about shows up here oh kiff kif kif kif Kiff, Kiff is here. He fucking betrays us. Yeah. He betrays you, wait, what's he do on the dark?

He's not on your side and the dark side version of this? No, he's like, he's setting all these traps everywhere and preventing, trying to prevent me from getting into the palace. Oh, so he's working for the queen. He's worked for the queen. So he'll always be on the other side for me. Oh, that's like, that's sort of sad and like a faded, he's like faded to suck. Because on our side, he's not, he sides with Tobin. and Vaclu for me and for me and Rob so he's like he's attacking you because he's trying to

Right it's the same thing he's just in both cases he's like listen I was just side I just sided with the person who Seemed like they were winning and was going to pay me and not kill me and that means he's just in any universe a bad judge of a situation Oh Yeah I let that guy live at the end I was like get out of here buddy don't even stick around and get a rest of Go, just go. Go be the general manager of Chicago Bears. That is about where your evaluation

ability ranks. I think I was like, I'm going to let you get arrested or something. Or I let the rebel guys. He was like, that's fair. I think we're all agreed here. Yeah, he does just kind of give up once you get him. He's like, I guess do what you're going to do. I don't care how many beasts you put into a level.

I'm not using beast trick. I use it a few times. I used it a few times. It didn't mean anything, but I used it a few times. It's kind of just like a funny. It's like for your own RP. Yeah. You know, it's not about it being a super powerful force power that's going to have really pronounced significant effects.

No. No, it's about RP. So your character being like, ah, right, I should use beast trick. and your own head you're telling that story about yourself. Yes, yes. Oh, I remember when they taught me beast trick on the beast mood of Duxon. They did.

And then I could battle the beasts. These ones specifically had like a beast trick resistance because they were Sith beasts. I was beat trick at them. Every time you use fucking beast trick, something's like shrugging off beast trick. I'm like, fuck this. It's a hard roll.

It's hard to. Yeah, you're beast, man. How about you just get your, done. Get your force points up. That's the real thing is at this point, my exile has now crossed the line with some gear. I got some gear that was just like

unbelievable. Oh, those gears just like plus two across like four different attributes. Plus two. Brother, one of my lightsaber crystals is plus five wisdom. I have more wisdom than Crea. I'm not even the wisdom class. And so like, yeah, I'm just everyone is stasist right now. And then because they're stasist, that means every hit I do

to them is a sneak attack so it does triple damage or whatever. So. It's just, it's just, it's done for these guys. I am fighting the most honorable Jedi duels with stunlocked enemies. I am, it is, it is like, it is like I'm putting them into a meat slicer. Dude. Like, it is, it is gruesome if you think about this. And it's like, the Jedi are honorable keepers of the peace.

Watch me, watch me hypnotize this guy and cut of it and do a fine dice. I think some would say that Jet, that Ali and I are actually, Playing the most authentic Cotor run, Cotor 2 run possible because we at least are being true to the fact that we would stun, we would take advantage of stunning our enemies and cutting them down for three times damage.

But a Jedi wouldn't do that. So you both, Rob and Austin, are false Jedi. Whoa, hang on, hang on. Now we're getting a little hateful. Okay, this is starting to, I feel like, I thought, I thought this was a place of fellowship. Okay, so, yeah. Where in the Jedi honor code, is it cool to, to stun people and then do plus times three damage to them?

I'm using the virtuous light energies of my connection with the force to hold these enemies to account. Oh, yeah? True. Yeah. If it was a problem, we'd be losing light side points. and we're not. So they didn't even take hindsight points for me

when I killed General Vaklu. I don't know if anybody else I'm curious maybe how the top of the side goes. Oh, I did the Jedi thing. What'd you do? Yeah, do you killed him? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I did.

I did the most Jedi thing possible. What'd you do? I pre by the, because Kray was with me. Crea was like, we got to kill him. Like if we let him live, he's gonna, he's gonna come back and launch another coup. And I was like,

thank you for your advice, Crea. But it's not my call. all. It's the rightful rule of on Donderon. Okay. Queen Talia and Queen Talia is like, execute him. Wow. Good for her. Just stood

him against the wall. You can, you can convince her not to do that, which is not what I did. I even before. Yeah, I had that option. Fuck that. That's right. I was like, yeah, we're I'm sorry, I'm that Jedi Master Merritt Garland.

Queen Tali was like, what do you want to do with him? But I was like, we should, Kraya said, you should execute him. He's too dangerous to let live. And I said, you are right. Literally, you're right. If left free, he will bring nothing but suffering. And then Vaklu curses your name.

And then he, like, walks to the side. And I was like, you're not going to live to see the day that the Anderanians don't like me. Because that's kind of what he says. And then I thought that I would, like, cut him down with my lightsaber. But instead, the, the guard just shoot him. And I was like, damn, I didn't even get to execute him. My guard, her guard just killed him anyway. so but yeah and no light side points lost no dark side points gained for that this game is very clear

you can kill the the fascist or the authoritarian uh coer and it's not a big deal you can't the political process to sort out the like this is a we can't we can't get him for uh the judgment on him should be rendered uh by the people of ander on that's right you're right we should have left it up to the other we should say it isn't up to talia it's up to the people Public trial. Public trial. He does beg for a trial. Does he?

Yeah, he's like, what about my trial? And she's like, no, no, no, comrade. No trial for you. Do you get extra light side points if you convince her not to execute him? I don't believe so. I think what happens is you lose. I'll double check. Let me double check.

You probably lose influence. But Crea doesn't think much of that. I think you lose influence with Crea, which could be a thing you want if what you're trying to do is get low Crea influence. which is also a viable way of doing stuff. Well, I needed to tell me her story. Yeah. She still won't talk to me. She's like you didn't hear it.

So remember that tiny name dropped Revan? No, you didn't hear that at all. Influence failure. It's so sad. And VsS is, Vsauce is completely shutting me out. Really? I have to, I have to farm influence with her on court. Oh, it might be, it might be late.

We'll see. Maybe you can do it. I just go over to her and I'm like, you want to learn some more force for us? What don't you know about Vsauce at this point? Like, I feel like that's a conversation you can just get through. Maybe it's because you're like,

I think the most that I've gotten with her in a conversation is like, she sort of explained her sight to me. Interesting. And then I like, when I try to ask her about her masters and stuff, she shuts down. Okay, wait. And I think I try to ask her about her home modes.

Yeah, you should check the strategy wiki just to make sure that you are actually missing anything she does not have a lot like and truly you can unlock almost all of it through the influence you get in the conversation with her yeah I thought that but I I still get influence a lot okay oh hey my plan for not leveling up handmaiden so I could beat her up worked let's go yeah let her let her fall like five levels behind me love it didn't Didn't level her up. Love it.

And I was like, hey, I'm ready to learn some more moves. And she was like, all right, let's see how this goes. And then I was like, hi-ya. And just like getting destroyed. Just absolutely like, like wild moves. And then she's like, all right, let's do it with weapons. And then I got a gand stun stick. Oh, my God.

And that wasn't fair. I'll be honest. I felt a little bad. She was like, no force powers. Okay. No force powers. But the GAND stun stick is like basically your stun power, but in stick form. So you just brained her.

And she was like, what? And then I just beat the shit out of her. And then she was like, there's just something about you. Yeah. I shouldn't have these desires to learn about the force. But I want to learn whatever you have to teach me. And I was like, yeah, absolutely. I don't have a lightsaber for you.

some kind of limited. Well, she can do hand-to-hand stuff too. She could also be a Kung Fu Jedi. Wait, y'all, I have like 10 lightsabers. Yeah. Now I do. At the end of this, I have fucking sad. Yeah, I've got tons now.

There was a brief lightsaber shortage. Well, okay. How many people, so I had, part of this might be that I have a lot of people dual wielding, right? So, like, because Aton's using two. Vsas is using two right there. Oh, well, come on. I mean. What do you mean?

Come on. That's what they're built to do. You can't give somebody two lightsabers or everybody has one unless they're the disciple. I'm sorry, are you running like a Jedi daycare? Yeah. Everyone needs to have a lightsaber before anybody can take a dual wielding. I made smart choices.

So, so, Bail Durr loves me, the general, and I duel. I have one lightsaber. So he duels. He has one lightsaber. Cray only gets one because she only has the one hand. Atten is built for dexterity, and so he gets two. Handmaiden doesn't have any because she does Kung Fu. I had like exactly enough before.

the fucking disciple showed up, basically. But now I have a bunch of extras. I don't know what's going on with. Well, there's two things here, which is that I think I broke the mod with the handmaiden, even though she's a Jedi. Because when she asked me if I wanted to be a Jedi, it was still what I was like,

she's like, do you want to be my master? And I was like, I don't even know that I want to be a Jedi. I'm not coming back to this. So now every time, like, I sort of refused her. And now every time I try to talk to her, I'm like, hey, do you want to like spar? You want to teach me anything? And she's like, I don't have anything else to teach you.

But she can't hold a lightsaber. Then you've made her a Jedi. Yeah. I just can't like do the like, I just spoke to my master and I want there to be something that you learn now. Oh, she never does that. She does not. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Everybody else can learn like force forms or, you know, like saber forms from you or force sight. I think she can learn like two things and you've probably already done them and that's it. But she is not learning a lightsaber forms. Is she just straight edging being a Jedi because she's a little. out to or something? Like, what is going on here? Probably. Yes, probably. Probably, yes. And also, maybe they might really just want you to use her as a

hand-to-hand fighter because of the Achani bonuses she gets. But who knows? But, yeah, so I brought her and Crea to the palace with me. Fun. And I don't know which one of them was doing something. I have Crea unhanded a lot just to do Jedi support. But, like,

entering a conflict, first of all, I don't, I have forced... I have forced... I have forced orb now. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Just like, I don't even get near people. I walk into a room and everyone's dead. But I also walk into a room and I start glowing green immediately. And I have everybody has four like up points on them because the two of them are just constantly doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime Kraya casts a buff on herself, you get it too. Oh, that's true. And so you're just, she's just unbeatable as a companion. Yeah, yeah. I have her just buffing the shit out of. But it also goes to my third companion, whoever is there, because I think my influence is so high, maybe, or my charisma. A lot of buffs are team-wide, and someone's, like, speed are for yourself only.

So she's probably doing both group stuff and individual stuff. So. Makes sense. Yeah. Well, okay, well, now I have another question, because now we all have handmaiden Jedi at this point. Mm-hmm. Have we all learned about the handmaiden's mother? Do we all know the name of Handmaiden's mother?

Have we still not had this conversation? We have not had this conversation. Oh, my God. How are we not? Okay. Have we not? I don't. I never put this conversation with her so long ago that I forget it.

Yeah. So if I say the name Aaron K. That doesn't mean anything to anybody. Okay. It means something to me. Yeah, me too. Okay. I think you can get this conversation, Rob.

So you should try to ask. Oh, I think literally, yeah, I just need to hop back. Like literally where we left things, she's like, I need to think about some things. Gotcha. Gotcha. Oh, yeah. The next time you talk to her. Let's see her talk to her, ask about her mother and then we're going to have a conversation about her mother because there's stuff, a lot of interesting stuff about her mother.

We got to talk about your mother. Yeah. So true. So true. So true. I don't care about Queen Talia. I'm being honest. Me either.

She's a good character design. She does. She does. NPCs, like, not serving in this game? She looks okay. And I like that she was fighting Vaklu. That was, like, such a surprise to me. And you come in the room and she's like, boom, bampan, like, fighting.

I'm like, oh. And then they randomly dropped that she's, like, well trained in the art of dueling. I'm like, since when? And I guess maybe Kavar has been training her to be a duelist. That'd be kind of fun. That's a fun fan for someone to write. If anybody cares about Kavar or Talia. Which.

Kavar. Yeah, let's get to it Our least Sossed Jedi This is This guy just feels like some guy You knew in college Can we rank this dude feels like an upper classman

Like that you kind of knew But not really That is the vibe 100% He is like the guy at the party He's like he kind of like Tells you about a party to go to Before you're cool enough or know anybody And that's kind of like

Oh cool thanks man Like then you get to know him You kind of are boring and suck And I like all your friends more than you So, but he's also kind of like, uh, like, you know, he's posting on your Facebook, like your friends and on now, even though you didn't? Yeah. Because he's like, didn't you know that I wanted to train you? I just didn't. I'm like, but you didn't. We're not like, chill. Like, what's going on here? So, so. He's very like, if you know, you know, am I right? And it's like, bro, you don't know. No, man. All right. Let's go over who we know. And just so we have this in our heads, the masters that we have met at this point. Atris. Zezkiel, Narshadah, Vruk on Dantuin And that's it, right?

Those are the three we've met And we haven't been to Corabon yet And there were, in the trial There was also another lady Who we haven't met yet So presumably her on Corribon I think her name is Vash Zeskail is S-tier

Obviously, right? I think so. Maybe the most AMCA Jedi who's ever lived. Yeah Is a pro wrestler Yes Yeah Zez Kyle Moonlights in the AW

Is an ex-Catholic Has fallen away from the faith Is like I think maybe some of the Jedi Teachings aren't Really good for the Jedi Right He's the only one who's like telling it like it is Like

Everyone else has some bullshit so far But that's kind of love that Because it's like I like that All of these characters Could go through their shit and still I like that for instance We talked about this last time But Rook being an asshole is so good that he's just like, no, I'm right about this.

You're wrong about this. Because it would be so, it would be really boring if all the Jedi were like, well, you were always right from the very beginning, it turns out. That's like not, there's nothing fun about that for me. So I like that they all have different perspectives. And Atress is great. Atress might be S-Tier also, but evil. St.ier, parentheses, what the fuck are you doing? What is up with you?

Ex-girlfriend, Estier. But this guy is boring. He's so boring. Him being like... Can we work through what his whole situation is? Because, again, people haven't watched or listened or played, rather.

His whole situation was that he approaches you as you, like, you enter kind of the final battle room. And this is like the throne room, essentially, after you beat the giant, I guess, in Rob's eyes, dog. And he approaches you and is like, Oh, you made it. And, you know, I came here to Duxin thinking that I might find you here. So that's cool.

To me, he was like, turns out you were the enemy all along. That's a shame. You kind of broke his heart. Well, apparently I did break his heart. And I was like, why he, I guess, was convinced that the only way to figure out why Jedi were being killed left and right was to find me. That I had, that there was something about me that also was contributing to the missing or the killing and murdering of Jedi.

Yeah. As a reminder for people who aren't playing along, the four of the Jedi, we're looking for the Jedi from our trial who all survived and all wound up in different planets. And when we get to them, they each kind of are, give us the story about where they think the Jedi are, what they think the other Jedi are. what they think the other Jedi are up to, what they think about you, et cetera.

And so we kind of get four different perspectives on that so far from Atra's as Kyle, Rook, and now Kavar. And like you said, Go ahead. I was going to say, maybe it would be helpful for you both to lay out the light side version of this

because the dark side version is a bit different. It's what you said, which is, yeah, he is like, hey, when you finally get to talk to him after all the stuff happens, And we first meet him, he's like, do some stuff for us.

We're going to go confront Vaclut. And so you finally get to talk to him, which is like, this is the most delayed conversation in a video game ever. Because remember, we first talked to him in your first tier. We need to catch up. We catch up. I got to go. I got to go.

I got to go. The coup's happening right now. Yes. And you want to do him again when you first get into the palace, like on the one side of the palace. And he's like, listen, we got to talk, but not right now. We got the whole coups happening. Coo's happening.

Who's happening. Like right now, still happening. Yes. So for the light side, after you beat Vaklu, but maybe before Talia, you get, you get your kind of one-on-one Talia. Kavar is like, hey, I'm glad we finally, you know, are getting a chance to catch up. And the big thing he says is what you said, which is he thinks that the other Jedi are out there looking for you. The way that he, what he believes is that he was like, well, when we last met, I told everybody that you are like the thing we need. to solve the situation with the Sith.

So I sent everybody out to go find you. And you could be like, um, that's not what they think. Let me tell you, Vruke was not like I am the solution to things. Vruke hates me and Atra seems to hate me. And he's like, well, but that's right. I told, I told them that you were important. So, wow. He's like, well, okay, Vruke is Vruke.

You're right. That is his, he's like, that's, yeah, okay, so Vruke, I see that. but then you're like yeah atres is like set up on and telos with the Jedi cam but she hates my guts he's like wait she wasn't supposed to be a she used to be a Qatar yeah

she was supposed to be with the Jedi where the Mirulukin's got got that's the one thing that Vruke Zaz Kyle and Kavar can agree on is that Atris was not supposed to go to Telos and she's supposed to be dead right because she's supposed to be a Qatar

yeah so now we are left with did she just not go, or did she go? And was she present for the destruction of that planet? Uh-huh. And the Mirulukin people. And somehow, she left alive. Also, we know that she has a bunch of recovered artifacts from Dantuin. And a red meditation. And a red meditation chamber. Yeah. What's on those holocrons? What's going on on those holocrons right now, Aitris? They can tell you, they tell you something? They tell you something about Qatar? What happened? I really, got to know. So this is the one thing they can all agree upon. But then beyond that, Kavar

kind of gives us a version of the events, not too dissimilar from what I think we've already heard between Verrucans as Kyle and Atris. You know, I think he kind of hues to, we didn't really exile you, almost like the disciple says. He's like, you know, we didn't really, we couldn't have, we couldn't have really exiled you. At the end of the day, it was your own choice to leave us because you were so distraught after what happened on Malikor. Do you feel gaslit by this? Bro, I literally said out loud while recording, this is the most gaslit I've ever been in a video game.

It's unbelievable. I think you knew you needed some time apart just to like figure things out. It's like my character has believed from the beginning. Two things. Yes. One is that part of the punishment was they were stripping him of force powers in addition to like position of Jedi that they stripped him. And they're like, no, we couldn't.

We could have done that, but we didn't. But we didn't. And then, two, you re-exiled from the order for your crimes. Dude. And he's like, we just wanted to give you, like, leave. That's what that was. You were suffering from burnout. We wanted you on the beach for a while.

Literally, he, I had to go back in the let's play. I had to find the, like, script, the transcript of the exile where it's extremely clear in the text that they, that they exile you, that they say you are no longer a Jedi and tell you to like turn in your lightsaber. Because between this guy and the disciple, there are people in this order who are like just telling you lies. They are just lying to you about the events that happened, which you saw. And then something important to think about this is they don't know that you've seen the recording. Because in each case, if you've seen the recording that T3 has, you can be like, hey, what was that stuff you were talking about afterwards about like there was something else

going on with me. And all of the Jedi are like, oh, oh, so you saw that? Oh, I made a promise that we weren't going to talk about that unless all of us were back together. So if you find all the Jedi masters, we'll all meet up on Dantuin and then we can talk about it. So I really do think that gas lighting is like, I literally think that they are, they think that you couldn't possibly remember exactly what happened. And maybe they misremember what happened too. Because the idea that he's like, we didn't really do this. Like, we know. what Jedi do when they want to take someone off the front lines and give them a little like service duty they put you in the library they put you in a farm somewhere they give you

something where you don't have a lightsaber at your belt for a little while you don't have to worry about fighting anybody they could have done that with the exile and instead they said give us your lightsaber and get the fuck out of here it's wild and he's supposed to be one of the guys who's like rooting for you kavar is supposed to be like anytime you talk to any of the other people they're like yeah kevar always was like always said that you had that you were important or something you know And it's just, it's wild to talk to this guy and have him be such a herb. So I like it. It's interesting to me.

But it's like, I was hoping that you would be the cool one, Kavanaugh. It's different for the dark side. Like he does not, he stands by the fact that you were exiled. Like that is, he stands by that being a choice. He says, when you ask him. why did you cast me out of the order? He says, what do you expect me to say? Like, you defied the council, you went to war, you know, too much death leaves, echoes in the force, and apparently your self-inflicted wounds would not heal.

And now that they've festered, you come looking to the Jedi for vengeance as if we were somehow responsible for all the results of your actions. And then if you ask him, well, why did you cut me off from the force? He says, like, well, why do you think the counsel was responsible for that? You thinking that we did it explains a lot. But the only one responsible for your present state is you. And then you can press him and be like, well, why is this hard for you? because if you ask him about the hollow recording he'll say like this is something that

as you said Austin the council must answer for this like we need all all of the Jedi's who fucked you over in one room together to tell you but you have to understand this is hard for me you can say well why is this hard for you and he's like didn't you know I wanted you to be my Padawan but I was too busy

being on the Jedi Council yeah so but we're friends But we were friends And I even wanted you To be a Jedi guardian We could have used someone like you It's wild to say that to the guy who

Like the character Who then goes on to be a war criminal Or whatever we were I wanted it to be like more like a warrior Did you? I don't think that would have been good for anybody man No because when I went to war Y'all were pissed about it

So what the fuck is up But the last thing he says So the decision that had to be made Was not easy So there was a decision Right even with you Yeah so what he says literally for us just to compare it.

For you, he literally does say, we had to exile you, is what you said, right? Like, that's when you say, I need to know why you cast me out the order. He says, what other choice did we have? What did you expect? For us, he says, there was nothing else we could do. You defied the counsel. You followed Revenue War. I know why you did it.

But in doing, but in so doing, much more harm was done. But you must understand, the exile was never the punishment you thought it would be. We could not have made you do such a thing in any event. I think you knew inside what you needed to do in order to heal. And you're like, what do you? It's gaslighting. That is literally gas-liding. What are you talking about?

And he said, what do you mean? And he says, all those lives during the Mandalorian wars and all those you serve beside, too much death leaves echoes in the forest. It is the price for having such connections. I suspect that's why you chose to accept the council's judgment. You chose to accept the council's judgment to wander beyond the rim and why you traveled with no one. and did not stay.

Shut the fuck up, man. They made the judgment. You could have simply denied the council's judgment and just stayed a Jedi, actually. This is like, this is like, I think that's why you chose to go supermax. That's right. Why did you choose to accept the verdict of your peers and be like carted off to jail? It's unbelievable. Why would you choose to get owned?

Why would you choose to get owned? Like, you know, I think if you really, I think you really reflect on this, the real, the real exile was the one in here that's right yeah well the real exile was inside you the whole time and to my point when you say when you say I saw a hollow recording of the july council meeting where you cast me out he goes so you heard what we said these questions I cannot answer this is something the council must answer such a loser I'm so sick of these guys this Kyle is the only one who I'm cool with for now it's true it is both like the exile was the exile that you like the friends we learned

our head across the way. But also this sort of like Instagram like health like well you just don't have the force because you have too much cortisol. So like you should just you should have taken some time off like that's your problem.

Like what the fuck? If you look into the sun for like 10 minutes you would have retained your force you would have never lost your force powers you should have gotten on the zero PTSD diet and then I think you

have dealt with a lot of the issues. You wouldn't be this wound in the force. But instead, you were having carbs. Okay, well, here's. Yes, this is something. Yes, go ahead. You go. This is something I want to compare.

Go ahead. Which was the why is it so important for you to find me? Yes. Okay. So he tells me, and I'm assuming Allie as well, when you stood before us in the council chamber on Corrosan, we felt something from you we'd never felt before. It was as if the force had died within you, leaving you,

hollow. We live our whole lives in touch with the force, in touch with life all around us, and you had a gift in that regard. You formed bonds so easily, and they flowed deep between you and others to see such emptiness in the force standing before you. It's not an easy thing to face. Whatever is attacking us, it's leaving something in its wake, something we haven't felt since you stood before us in judgment. The deaths of these Jedi, the destruction of Qatar, all of these things are leaving behind echoes, like the one we felt from you in the council chamber. It was clear to us, to me, that we had to find you. But we couldn't call you back from exile because we didn't know where you'd gone.

Is that the same that you got? That is word for word the same. And then after that he says, plus there's a chance we might put you in danger and that we couldn't allow. If you couldn't feel the force, then it would make you a target. I don't know how you got back, but I'm glad you're here. So, yes, I think important comparison, not between us, because he tells us the same thing, but between him and what the other people say. Zazchayel sort of gestures at the idea that when they first saw us, there was a fear in them.

But we didn't really understand, with Zazkiel, it felt more like to have the forces to have a connection to the world. And so to see that taken away is really hard. But what Kavar really underlines is like, you were special. You made these deep connections with everybody, with us, with the people around you, and you did it with the force. And now all of that was hollowed out. All of that was empty. And that was really scary for us. And I think that's, at least, like, I think that's interesting.

Like, that's an interesting detail to add. And something else that I kind of, like, made me, it was one of the things in this session that made me, again, think about what the game is trying to think about with influence and with power in this way. And it made me actually rethink something about the disciple, which is, which I hate, I don't like him. You know this about me. But I was thinking about the disciple, which is the disciple had one afternoon watching us TA for him, right? And then instantly was locked in on us. Now, in real life, that's on the disciple, 100%. 100%.

But we have something weird with us that creates force bonds that aren't under our control. And there was something really haunting and fucked up about the idea that, like, the Jedi exile could just broadcast the force in such a way that it just hits someone like the disciple. And they go, oh, I'm going to devote myself to this person. Instant parisocial relationship. A hundred percent. It's deeply fucked up. It's really bad. I don't think that that's – I don't – I wouldn't be surprised if that was that element was intentional, but I don't know that we ever come back to it.

but it is something that could happen once you say the force can create bonds irrespective and like involuntarily and that made me go like yeah that would if i was on the july council and i knew someone who was doing stuff like making force bonds without really even meaning to or knowing that they were doing it i would be like this person's this is it's a little scary how the exiles the exile had a twitch channel like bro it wouldn't be good things be getting bad things would be getting bad and then you see the exile who's doing this all the time and they're just like dead inside i would be like cool yeah you should take some time off i wouldn't exile them so i would put them in the library with teresa nube yes yes i would be like here's a first of all

here's a hug number one yeah no hugs they're not a lot of hugs all that stuff also intersects with the attachment stuff like is the exile It's something like the exile, why no attachments are put into place to begin with? Because like one in 500 Jedi are like this, you know? That was like the first amendment to the Jedi code was like, uh, after this, after the exile, we need to, we need to make some revisions here. There's like an event horizon of charisma that like people just cross beyond. It's like, well, they're just gone.

They're just fucking gone. We just, we got to get rid of this guy. Anyway, yes, Kavar, real gaslighter, really excited to talk to him again and find out what the secret that he won't tell us is. I'm sick of them telling us they won't tell us, though. It's, come on, let me roll out of persuasion check. I have a question for Allie. Did you get the opportunity to not kill him? Or did you, were you locked into killing him?

I think I got the opportunity to not kill him I don't remember killing him oh you killed him I wouldn't have it I couldn't not kill him okay and I want to be very clear

I have spared every Jedi up until this point because I want everyone in that room right I want yep I have spirit I want everyone in that room on dantuin

I want to look them all in the face want them all to look at each other and I want I want to hear everyone's story in a separate room actually everyone tell everyone tell me your story let's get it straight interrogation style and then I want to bring them all back together and do the big reveal I want everyone there and they forced me to kill him I could there was nothing I could do wild yeah I was pretty I don't know I guess it's just because I'm so dark-sighted it's like beyond the meter the meter is like For a lot of my companions, the little notch is like below the alignment meter. So maybe I just locked myself out of being merciful.

But if I could spare Kiff, why could I spare Master Kavar? I don't understand. Well, Kif isn't gaslighting. True. Well, a little bit. He said some weird shit to me. Yeah, but, you know, he's just trying to save his own hide. I think Kavar is a master manipulator.

Yeah. No, this is true. This is true. I mean, he definitely deserves it after being a guy who heals himself during battle. And, like, that is his whole thing. Wait, what? Like, that's it? What?

Yeah, he has, Kavar has heal. Oh, wait, so then you did fight him, Allie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel him. I just, I'm pretty sure. I think that I either had. Tobin or Verruc like arrest him I don't think he died

I'm jealous interesting huh that's interesting okay well you learn a lightsaber form or whatever from him presumably you get the version of this where it's just like Craya is like

look at the way he's doing this thing I got force mastery the one he gave me was just like this lightsaber form has no strengths It's great, and no weaknesses. And I was like, that is perfectly matched to who this guy is. Dude, it's Niemann.

Naman is plus one attack, plus one defense, plus one blaster bolt defection, plus one saves versus force powers. Love it. Not a negative insight. The most neutral force saber form you could ever have. If you're a guardian, you get the Mace Windu, lightsaber style. Vapad. What's Juio here? it's the old republic, but it's Form 7, which is the Sam, Sam Jackson, badass motherfucker

force, force, form. He's saying force form, because that's what the other ones are called, but lightsaber form, which is like negative four defense, but everything else is jacked up and you even get another bonus attack per round. But none of us are our guardians or whatever the advanced version of that is. So, it's true. But Natalie and Allie, you got the version where Craya chimes in. in and is like he looks like he's strong but actually you can use this technique that he's using

against you right now presumably yes it's merely an illusion interesting yeah I got forced mastery so I'm I'm forced the fuck up and then we go back to the ship and now we're going to Corvon oh I also absorbed um his force power um yeah so I got plus plus 25 course points. I figured something bad was going to follow that. Like when a dark jet, I was like, oh, and I forgot I absorbed. Nothing good is. Yeah, I haven't done that before. So Crea, I was like, what, what was that? And Craya was like, consumed his essence. Yeah, I literally did. Um, apparently this is, uh, not something that I can learn through patients or training or practice or training. It's something instinctual and born from experience.

So that's cool. Thanks for that. Ripticavar, Creol. I guess so. It'll be weird when everyone's there. I wonder if I'll kill the next Jedi master too that I meet. So it'll just be Vruke. Because there's one more on Corbond, right?

Yeah, we've got a Corbond to try to find, I think, Master Vash. Oh, yeah. So. Yeah. So. What did y'all tell? So when you get back, you get a little cutscene with whoever your leader was. from the jungle tomb, did you all do the little, like, you did a good job, and here's what

happened to me, because this is a place where you can gain or lose influence with the party leader, actually. If you were like, when whoever your party leader, your second party leader is like, so what happened on, on Dantween, if you're like nothing you need to know about, you lose influence with them, because you're like cutting them out from the crew, which I think is coming. How are you not going to confide in your point? party leader that's your party leader it's somebody that you know you trust um yeah i told vsos that um the political situation on d'ron has been dealt with and that on d'ron only has one leader now true

that's the same thing i told her that's the truth we're just on the other side of the conflict but word for word yeah i told etton that i single-handedly stopped a war and he said you think you're hot stuff, don't you? All right, man. Yeah, great. God damn it. Well, all right. Well, we're off to Corabon next.

We are. There is an opportunity for us to go turn in side quests and talk to people still. I think my understanding is Corbond, also very short, maybe the shortest of the planets. So I think we'll probably definitely get through that. And if we all get through that in a way that feels very quick, we can. we can go do the dantuin confrontation and that could be maybe where we get to and it shouldn't be long i corbin is is the shortest planet it's i think it's as short if not shorter than what we just played so i want to put all these fuckers in a room me too and so what's up though i do think

natalia's the right of it there's no way i would let them tell me the story collectively yeah no way yeah oh so they can all like check in with each other and like figure out like a line on their bullshit? No. No, sorry. You're in interrogation, you're in interrogation room A. You're in interrogation room B. No, they have a group chat. I'm sorry to say. They figured it out before they even got on the shuttle. I will say, I do think we are approaching the point of no return. And so you should not, if there's lingering side stuff you want to do, we should do it before you finish Corabon and certainly before you go to the confrontation on Dantuin. That's the, I think Dantuin is the point at which you are locked in for the big finale run of

the game. Yeah, I'm curious, how much more game is after that point? It seems so finale-coded. It's interesting. But I guess you have to, like, go out to the big bad. There are a couple of, I would say, the way that we're planning it, I think we probably, I don't remember the exact episode camp, but we still have a few episodes left. It's not just like Corabon the end.

It's Corabon, and it would be great if we got the Dantuin confrontation in that episode, because Corabon is so light. And then after that, we have to, I mean, one of the things that's been teased, you were just saying, Allie, that you couldn't get Visas to tell you about her master. She doesn't tell anybody about her master, or she might give you details, but what she won't ever do is tell you where to go confront him. You are going to go confront him, or something's going to happen where you end up confronting him. And then in the mix with that, so we have to, like, confront Nialis. it's the it's the sit lords right it's it's nilus and cyan cyan is is later um it's the hk thing it's the hk factory and it's telos uh there's something there's more stuff happening on telos on citadel station uh and then there's the the the sion thing is is kind of part of the

finale thing so it's like we are in the i would say that we are now in the back third of the game because corabon is so short um but it's it's there is not going to be anymore go to a planet and solve the dilemma there we are going to be in things that feel a little bit more like this section, which is like dungeon, big fights, long conversations, et cetera. So Corabon is kind of the last opportunity you're going to have to get big influence gains, I think, for people. And it's not even that filled with influence gains, but, you know, we're kind of in not

quite the final stretch, but we're in the final lap, certainly, if not the final stretch. So. I'm excited. All of which is to say also, put good stuff on HK. he sucks and also we should talk to HK we should go through the HK conversations just to like get them out there we should there's some stuff with HK that we haven't talked about that deserves to be talked about and we should try to talk to him there's also a very funny thing I actually don't know if it's actually funny you can go get a you can go get a pacifist module for him from I think from Gita on Narshad oh yes which he doesn't like but you can install pacifism module in him that's really just a comedy thing but there's some other stuff in his dialogue that if we're going to have to go do the hk factory we may as well talk to hk 47 and see what he thinks about the world and revin and the other hk droids and what his purpose in life is and stuff like that we should have that conversation he says meatbag

one more time he's gonna he's going to he's got prepare himself we should just have that conversation before doing the droid factory because i i imagine we're not going to want to talk to i hear the droid factory sucks. The droid factory sucks. I imagine we're not going to spend too much time on the combat. Yes. Worth saying, give HK some good guns. Give HK the best droid stuff you can give him before we get to that.

That won't be the next session, but people who are playing ahead. If you're playing with the mods that we have, you should get ready for it. So. Droid factories, not good in the new rebellion novel published by Bantam Spectra, not good in episode two. Nope. And not good in Cotor 2. You would think this concept would sing

and yet nobody seems to do anything with it. Yeah. Fails every time. All right. Well, with that we reached the end of another episode of a more civilized age. Our show is produced by Chia Contreras and supported by, well, this one might not be

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