A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 123: Malachor V (KOTOR II 14)

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

With the Ravager in pieces, Telos seemingly saved, and an army of HK-51s unleashed, the Exile and the (remaining) crew of the Ebon Hawk heads to the place where it all began: Malachor V. There, at the end of a multi-level dungeon and a couple of boss fights, the two remaining Sith Lords stand in wait. And in classic KOTOR II fashion, what they have to offer is tantalizing, memorable, and famously unfinished. And that's that for KOTOR II. Thank you for coming on this amazing journey. We can't wait to kick off a new series in the new year... but first... Next Time: THE STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL Show Notes  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakini, joined by Ali Akampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are, as always, supported by you, our listeners via patreon.com slash civilized. So head over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all our Q&A episode. This week, we come to an ending of KOTOR 2. Yeah. I was an ending that sort of catches you by surprise.

Nope, not really a twist ending. It's just, oh, I guess we're done. Yep. Yep, the publisher came knocking and they said, What just happened? Ship this game. Wrap it up. Wrap it up.

Wrap it up. They literally, they did the cartoon with the hook on the stage and they ripped them right off the stage with a big old hook. And it was like, okay, so we don't really have a day new ma here. What are we going to do? And someone was like, I know, you all ever seen Casablanca and credits.

That's right. Yeah, who knows what could come next. I mean, we should start with what came before. I have a summary, and I have a summary that I think has three levels to it. And if you could tell me what, do you want the whole thing? Do you want the thing as we're leading into this?

Or do you just want, here's what happens after we leave the Ravager? Just, I think, let's give us the whole shablan. I'll give you the whole shebang. All right. With everything now known, here's what we can say about we, about we, the exiles of a more civilized age have already been. First, we are awoken from a short-term medical slumber and from the long-term haze of spiritual exile aboard an abandoned and sabotaged mining station, christened the last of the Jedi and the hero or villain of the war that set this decade-long air of chaos in motion. Next, we are sent by Crea, our new mentor in search of those Jedi who exiled us,

pursued by a pair of her old students, the titular Sith lords. One, Darth Nihilus, eats the force in all life, one planet at a time. The other, Darth Cyanne, is immortal. There are also two Darth Trajas in the wild, self-appointed, necessary traitors to the world, and importantly, themselves. They are revealed in time to be Atris, one of our exilers and a would-be paramour, and Crea herself, who we learned was also the teacher of Darth Revin, protagonist of the first game. Third, we are joined by a motley crew, except not motley, because that suggests more incongruity than there is in this party.

They are all of them, exiles and survivors in their own rights. By my count, half of them, Crea, Atten, Beauder, Mandelor, and Mira, all escaped the final battle of the Mandalorian War. And the other half, handmaiden Vsau, HK47, the disciple, and even Goto, the criminal droid committed to upholding the impossible task he was built for, are deeply compromised by their relationships to those who hold power and knowledge over them. Oh, and also T3M3 is here, and he's the very best droid in the galaxy, circa 4,000 B, B.I. Fourth, we are reunited with the Jedi who exiled us, and after a fateful and fatal confrontation with them, our mentor's grand plan begins to unfurl. before us. Here is that plan, as we understand it, going into this our final adventure. First, she traveled with us out of a philosophical and strategic curiosity. At the climax of the Mandalorian War, everyone caught in the destructive power of the weapon that we used there was

either killed or turned to the dark side, except for us. We cut ourselves off from the force instead. How could someone do that, she wondered. She, who was involuntarily separated from the forced by her own students. She, who had come to resent at the very least the Sith and Jedi, and perhaps something greater, the force itself. Second, she taught us so that we may serve as a living argument against the Jedi Council. We were, unfortunately, not a particularly persuasive argument. Whether we approach them in good faith or violence, they wind up dead and we wind up abandoned. Third, she trained us to be a weapon against Darth Nylis and his life-devouring power, an ancient Sith technique available only to those who have studied at a singular hidden academy.

Thus, she manipulates him, Nylus, into coming to Tilos, where we could use his hunger against him and end his threat before he can turn the entire universe into a void. Fourth, she left us so that we would follow. Follow her to Malacour 5. If we refuse to confront her there, she will kill herself, killing us through the bond, potentially adding to the wound and the echo already in the force, killing all living force users, and maybe even the force itself. If we go there and die, that possible outcome becomes certain,

but if we go there and win, we can stop such a fate. Those are the stakes. Here, broadly, is what happens as we leave the record of the ravager behind. For some of us, the session begins with a brief meeting aboard Citadel Station, with Admiral Carth O'Nassie, who is grateful that we will, aided in saving his homeworld from a second wave of destruction. And who wonders if we ever bumped into Revin while we traveled beyond the outer rim in our exile? He tells us that Revan disappeared there, and along with Bastila, who pops in if you had a male Revin, wonders if what it was that Revan was going out in the dark to protect us from.

Then we are off to Malacor 5, treated to a montage of the interior thoughts of our crew, worried about what awaits them, but steal in their convictions. that we will stop it. We see all of them one more time, except for Baye-Dur, who we will never see again in his real body, that we do hear his thoughts. We also, as players, get a little preview of what is awaiting the Ebenhawks crew, as we see Darth Treya arriving ahead of us to the Trais Academy, which we'd seen throughout the game in flashbacks, and two times she once spent there. She dispatches Dart-Syons and then bends him to her will, revealing that she only ever let him

think that he had power over her. Then she instructs him to welcome us and bring him to her when we arrive. Less welcoming is Malacor 5 itself, a ruined planetoid put together by the remnants of the orb that was ruined by Beauder's weapon, which we finally learned the name of, the mass shadow generator. It turned the unique gravitational anomalies of the Malacor system into directed weapons. It destroyed the fleets gathered there, crushing the planet into pieces, which is, which now only hold itself together through maybe the hateful power of the Sith Academy at its core.

The result is a planet of chaos and violence, storms, and gravitational fields, draw the Ebenhawk into a crash descent, and in classic video game fashion, the survivors of the Ebenhawk are spread across the rocky wilderness of the small planet. Alone in a dungeon, for the first time since Piraugas, our exile fights their way through a few dozen storm beasts, and in to the academy. Rob is shaking his head at the store beasts.

Fair enough. The rest of the crew make their own way to the academy. Mira, if you still have her, deals with Han Har and then joins up with Visas Atten, the disciple on the handmaiden. They foolishly throw themselves against Crea, get whooped, and all of them, except for Atten, wind up in some prison cells alongside Mandelor. Atten slips away and tries to escape, bumping into Darth's Zion on his way out. You take control of him, and either we temporarily defeat Sion, allowing Atten to disappear

into the Academy's hallways, or else Atten loses and faces the sort of torture that he once put others through. Meanwhile, Bayo Dür's remote, carrying what feels like final instructions from our engineer friend primed the engines of a few crashed warships to act as a bomb, which can destroy Malacor 5 in the Trais Academy forever. Godot attempts to stop the little droid from doing this, because destroying this at the academy would destabilize the galaxy. Thankfully, an HK-47 unit, or I guess HK-47, and his new subpoise.

boardnets shows up to save the remote, leaving the option to blow up Malacor in our hands, theoretically, at least. We are welcomed to the academy at that point, first by a set of kneeling assassins, and then by room after room of fallen Jedi, minor Sith lords, and finally Darth Sion himself. Room after room after room. No gimmicks or puzzles, just long solo fights. Cray tell Sion that we will have to make a choice, come directly through those who

hunted us to get our vengeance and face the remaining Sith Lords quickly, or go in search of our allies, locked away in the depths of the academy, weakening ourselves in the process of saving them. I guess this is technically a choice. You could just go right to Scion. Maybe also if you went to go save people and your build was like this, maybe you would burn through a bunch of med packs, and I guess that's kind of weakening yourself. But I will say loudly in opening that actually what happened is I killed dozens and dozens

of enemies and I leveled up two more times. And by the end of the dungeon, I'd master two weapon fighting. And also, I've joined you all in the joys of force storm. The final, I don't know, five rooms were just immediately electrocuted when I went into them. So, Cray wrong once again. In any case, you rescue or I guess you could poison your allies when you find them in the prison. You entrust Mandelor with getting them out to safety. And then still alone, we confront Cyan, breaking his will and conversation between duels.

and then finally convincing him to let life go. Finally, finally, we come face to face with Crea, who could not be more eager to answer our questions. She's never met a conversation. She wasn't willing to turn into a lecture. And here are those answers. One. While Atris was truly Darth Trea in her heart,

she was also just another pawn on Crea's board, someone you needed to confront and overcome on your hero's journey towards Malacor. And yes, also, someone who's, teachings needed to be stopped. Two, yes, of course, she was manipulating us the whole time for all the reasons we've discussed already, to kill her enemies, to stop the most terrible visions or versions of both the Jedi and the Sith from gaining power.

Three, why do all this? Because she despises the force. She hates how it uses us, how it has a will, and how it could control and point us towards balance when the cost of that balance is so often the death of millions or more. And because in us, she sees either or both a way to kill the force or a way of living beyond its will. And finally, four, she chose us simply because we are the only one in all of time that ever cuts ourselves off from the force with such emphasis that it wounds the force in the doing.

There is no truth in the force, she tells us, but there is truth in us. And so she says it's time to decide, at least if you pick the right dialogue options. Do we kill her and ascend above our master becoming something greater? Or does she kill us, potentially destroying the force and everyone connected to it? Sorry, this is actually not the part that's the choice. That one, you just have to. Everybody has to either fight her or die. We do win, of course.

And then in her final words, she gives a vision of the future for our allies. I suspect we'll go over all that later in depth. And if you pick the right options, you then get three visions of your own future presented as choices. will not give you the option to make any of those choices and anything but your own imagination, either leave this place and follow in Reven's footsteps into the dark beyond the outer rim, or stay here, training those force-sensitive who hear the academy's call and create a new era of Jedi or Sith or both,

or maybe if you abhor your powers of influence, you can return to your exile, not a force bond in sight. Finally, just at the end of this conversation, she falls over and dies, and you get reunited with that and who is either smirking and giving you a one-liner like the good old days or is bleeding out talking about how disfigured he is,

talking about how finally his outside reflects his inside. If you are light-sided, actually the game makes the final decision for you. If you are light-sided, you fly away as the planet implodes behind you, and if you are dark-sided, only the camera leaves Malacor behind,

leaving the Traus Academy standing forevermore. and that is the star that is Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 the Sith Lord's TM Restored content modification version 1.8.6 We're done.

We did it. Wow. Well, well, well. Where to jump in? I guess from the beginning. Did you get you also didn't get Carth.

Only Allie and Rob got Carth? I did not get Carth at all. No. Carth did not exist in my play-through because Revin, my Revan was dark-sighted. And presumably that was that for Carth. The end of Cotor 1, Carth did not make it out of that. I guess not. I guess not.

Allie and Rob, you had the Carth scene, though? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it was kind of weird seeing Carth after. all this time like hey like what are you doing here uh like very much a you know character from a a different game uh truly very parachuted into this one and i think oh there's there's a lot of things that i do not like about this finale to cotor two i think the big one is just there is so much work being done here to lay groundwork for a sequel that never got made and maybe

not even just a sequel, but like an entire offshoot universe of Star Wars that a Cotor series could have played around in, trying to do the Mass Effect. Andromeda. Andromeda. Yeah, like, let's just move the setting to, you know, so the Star Wars novels when Bantam lost the rights and they decided to move into the New Jedi Order era, they brought a threat from outside the galaxy into the Star Wars universe and had that sort of overture. turn the status quo of the classic Star Wars universe. Cotaur 2 is pointing in this different direction, which is, let's take the Star Wars universe

out of the galaxy and go fight whatever is this gathering darkness, sort of beyond the edges of the outer rim and wild space. Yeah, over and over again. And so the other thing that Carth is here to do is to set up this idea that. that, hey, like, where is Revin? Revin's still out there, fighting the good fight. We really, it seems really important and we don't know why we were left here. And, you know, we all have a part to play, but we do not see, we do not see the design. And then Bastila comes in and also says that, but in a way that's like super sad. And boy, I just, I don't know why, I don't know why he,

why Revin didn't feel, you know, he can confide in us. But it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, my mentor is, she's sort of gone berserk and is at the heart of this like haunted planet. So we got to, we kind of got to go. Revin's whereabouts, not my biggest, we're looking at a possible end of all things situation here. So like, I just got to, I got to bounce. and we're going to return, like this is bad enough, but so much of our final showdown with Kray is going to return to these themes of,

hey, you know what the real, you know what we should really be asking here at the end of this journey? Where is Revin? And is Revin thinking of us right now? And it's kind of disappointing. Like, it's a funny thing. Through so much of this game,

I think Revin's absence has handled really well. as a thing that has created this sort of, if you were a wound in the force, Revin is kind of like a void in the political life of the galaxy. That everything's sort of been set in motion by Revan, but now Revin's sort of taken their hands off the tiller of fate and is off like fighting this mysterious fight. But everyone else sort of left to deal with this like sudden absence of a character

who really did define this entire era of Star Wars. That's all to the good. That is all setting work. And that's how Revin has kind of used as sort of backdropping the story. Here in this final act, the way it becomes, what if Cautour 2 was kind of a trailer

for the search for Reven? Uh-huh. And suddenly I don't like it. Like the fact that so much of the end of this game now becomes about, well, we've got to figure out what Revin's up to. and the threat that exists beyond the galaxy. And we take our eye off the ball of what was a pretty good setup of there's some really bad Sith coming down.

And Kraya has a galaxy brain idea to address that threat, but also a mysterious plan of her own. And the fact that that plan also seems to hinge a lot on Revin in that finale is a big bummer. And this is sort of where I started to get my first whiff of like, hey, what are we? What are we doing here at the end of this game? A feeling that was then amplified by everything that happens with the final dungeon. I do have to say they did make that game, Rob. That is what the old republic is about, unfortunately. Now, the question ends up being, do you think that they did a good job with that?

And that's, I have so many big feelings about the place that BioWare was in, Byra Austin, who made the Old Republic, the Old Republic, in needing to make a game that is a sequel to Cotor and Cotor 2, needing to make the sequel or the second Star Wars MMO, which had to play it safe in some ways because it had to be a Wow clone and not something strange and systemic and unique like galaxies, because that didn't do as well as Wow did. Not that it was competing directly with Wilde was predated Wow,

but, you know, Wow opened the door to this new thing. and which also had to be narratively shaped in some ways like, not just like Cotor, but like Star Wars. They had to make a game where there's an empire. They had to make a game where there's a republic and that they were at odds with each other. I've gone so many, I've gone all the way around this orb of thought so many times

where it's like the game that they make does the big frustrating Cotor thing, which is like, so it's a whole other time and space in the galaxy is 300 years after Cotor 2. And what is the conflict? There's a Cold War between a Cetor. Empire and the Republic and their Jedi allies. It's the same shit as always.

And wouldn't you believe it, the Sith Empire has British accents and military bureaucracy and vengeful and, you know, traitorous Sith lords and it's all that same shit. It's always that same shit. And it feels like it's a complete flub on the promise at the end of this game, which is Revin is out there fighting something that's different than everything we have that we've ever fought. Kreyis is like, oh, you thought that these men and machines were the Sith? how could you ever be so stupid, you know, making you think, okay, the thing that's out there is,

is like truly alien, truly different. And what it gets reduced to is there was a species called the Sith and they were all force power. They all had force powers and they'd built a sort of like force feudalist, militarist society out there. Hang on. This is a quick question, returning to this idea of the true Sith. Yeah. Are we talking about the true Sith are who we saw in the Kevin, Anderson books? Is that what she's getting at?

With like the face stuff, the tundle. Yeah, that's the true seth. That's, that isn't in the, in the canon that follows, that is what she means. Whether you read this game as meaning that. Oh, but Craya, we already knew about that. We'm wearing the chaldroma belt. I got it all, bud. It seems like all this game is pointing at maybe something bigger and weirder out there.

That is not what, by where Austin decided or Lucas film decided or Lucas himself, because He's still involved at that point, right? Decided. It is a common conversational point that I think is hard to pin down that Lucas did not love what this game had to say about the force, I will say, and did not love this game for that reason. And who knows if that's true or not? This is one of these things that gets talked about a lot, but it is in the conversation, right?

I mean, at the very least, what we do know is that the version of these events and these characters who then echo out into the old Republic. I think Revin really doesn't feel like my Revin in the Old Republic, the way that he ends up getting written in the books and then in the game does not feel like Revin. I think that's a hard thing because, like, all of us, many of many people who played Kotor on Xbox originally, there was like one of the first times they were playing a RPG where they were making choices like this. It did not come from consoles.

They played stuff. They played lots of RPGs. before, but not once you're like, oh my God, I've been betrayed. Like, how do I have this? What's the decision I have to make? For a lot of people, the production quality of that game and the fact that it was Star Wars brought them into a genre for the first time. And so they had a deep level of identification with Revan.

And I think that makes it really hard to then go write that guy or that lady, who's not a lady, he's a guy. He's in canon and in, you know, legends canon, there is a guy and his name is Revan. And that is, and he is a particular guy, right? And likewise, there is Maitris Surich, who is the exile. That is who she is. She has a name. And she is nothing like most people's vision of their exile because the exile is even more of a canvas to play with than Revan was, I think.

So given all of that, Rob, yes, it's the people with the tank with the melty faces. It's that particular version of Revan. All of that stuff gets answered. It is an ancient Sith Empire. In fact, it is literally the remnants of that great Sith War empire who is hidden off in the darkness of space. It's been slowly rebuilding itself. It's left behind the Traus Academy as a beacon for itself. It has left behind Corbin as a beacon for itself.

It will one day come back into power. And none of the sort of big existentialist or existential threat stuff is there. in the sense that it's something truly different from us. I do think it is inside of that constraint, it is different than the Republic in the sense that it is a culture that is led by weird force, you know, philosopher kings who are all loyal to an immoral, a seemingly immortal emperor who's been around for over a thousand years, and who have built their society around the force in a way that the Republic

never has. And so I think that there's like inside of the constraints, they play with it, but it's nothing like what Craya is setting up or the game is setting up here. And also it's worth saying it didn't come out for like a decade after this game. And so, and it's an MMO. It isn't, and it's an MMO and a lot of people aren't going to fucking play an MMO, let alone one that plays like, wow, if that's the thing, they're coming from Cotor, they're coming from CRPGs. And what they're looking for is like a solo CRPG experience. So I think that There's. I just wanted to be clear there was that sequel. They do answer those questions. They certainly didn't within the time frame of that console cycle. But those answers exist now. And I've been dipping back into them. I'm listening to the fucking Revin book right now on my free time because I have a cursed mind. Yeah, but I would say like those answers exist in the way that like, oh boy, what's his name? Frank Herbert's son.

wrote those books with Kevin J. Anderson, the Dune prequels. And, like, yes, there are things that are answered, but it's so clearly not to the design of what was being done in the original tax. You have to, like, maybe I don't know, dude, because the question is who is the author of Cotor? Because, you know, the person who writes that Reven book is Drew Carpichin, who has been, who is in the bio-ware sphere for years and years and years. Is not someone who is not, you know, he worked on Cotor 1. He worked on the Baldersgate games. He worked on Mass Effect 1 and 2.

So this isn't someone who was like an outsider. He's sitting there and going like, oh yeah, and then this is what happens. And so what I think we might be sensing is, I think Obsidian and BioWare, tell me if you've heard this one before, Obsidian makes a sequel to a game and has different ideas than the studio that made the primary first version of the game. And I think those two visions are pretty strongly in conflict. and the secondary studio has to then lay the groundwork for what at the time everyone thought would be the return of bio-ware

to do a third one. And instead, what do they do? They make a game where you play a space cop slash space spy who finds out that outside of the galaxy there's a dark and mysterious threat that's nothing like what humanity or any other alien species has ever faced before. It is, you know,

know. Why does this always happen in Star? Like, this is the sequel trilogy. Sort of. They don't, I wish, I wish the sequel trilogy. Oh, wait, which part of it is the sequel trilogy? The idea of like, just in terms of like. Conflicting authorship. Yes. I see. Exactly. I thought you meant the outside inside, like, there's a secret darkness on the outside. Because that is a thing that does keep happening in PioWare. The end of this most recent Dragon Age game is also setting out that wouldn't you believe it, outside of the known world, there's a strange power that might come to bear on the mainland. Let us go to there.

Let us go to there. I want to go. I'm like, please. I'm so, I'm so sick of the juice being at the, at the borders of, of, of what we have the ability to experience and that, and that our world. is just like there's this ambiguous threat there's this ambiguous something else is happening out there

and that we can never go and like truly confront the thing it's like they must run parallel they can never intersect but no I meant in the idea that like yeah you do the first one and then the second one

is like trying to fix the first one and then the third one just throws everything out of the second one and just starts it over again in the most annoying way possible. We get it. You guys want Star Wars. Here's Star Wars. Right.

Right. Exactly. They're failing to complete the dialectic, right? The dialectic being this maneuver of like, there is a thing, the thing is negated. And then the negation is negated and something new is created by the negation of the third thing. They're just wrapping back around to the first thing again. You know, The Last Jedi. is like, ah, what if the reestablishment of all of the myths in the Force Awakens?

What if that wasn't really telling you the whole story about the Force? And then Riser Skywalker is like, yes, it was. Actually, it was. So just go away. You know, we've returned to the first instead of introducing a sort of synthesized third or something that grows from the conflict between the first to the second. And yeah, that's the same thing here. The Old Republic feels like a sequel to Star Wars, the Knights of the Old Republic,

like not to Cotor 2, you know. You know, again, Mitroceric shows up in the lore. My understanding is Craya debatably shows up. There's a character, there's an MPC, there's a spirit that might be Crea in one of the storylines. And my understanding is she maybe worships the immortal Sith Emperor, which does not seem like a very Craya-like thing to do. So maybe I'm wrong about this.

But that's what I've read. Craya would never worship anyone. Ever. Ever, ever. The only person she absensibly worships is the exile. Is the exile. Yeah. Who she also despises, but loves.

Yeah. Does love. I think there's also, so much what we're talking about here also centers on the fact that stories are never allowed to end. That is exactly. They are franchises, right? Everything has to point to what is the next. Adventure, what is the next thing? And that is, you know, that's fine, right?

You're going to say, you know, Bob Hope is Bing Crosby. You're going to go somewhere else after this movie. That's fine. But it's way different. The story's never wrapped. And it often means, oh, you know the story we told? Well, what if we actually told you the real antagonist? You didn't even meet because be like off where you couldn't see there's a mannequin struggle happening.

And then. You thought this was a Matician struggle. Nah, uh-uh. The real darkness is a different darkness outside. It's this sort of gnostic. You've been inside of a fake conflict. The real conflict is this broader thing that you can just sniff at, which is so intriguing. We're just going to reuse that again and again, and we'll never have to, you know.

And it almost never is intriguing because what that, that device to set up, like, here is the next thing. also means that the internal politics of the world you've spent all this time creating, it doesn't really matter. None of that bears on the real conflict. And so you kind of, I think these stories sort of lend them towards, lend themselves towards having really unsatisfying climaxes as you confront these, you know, outsider ancient entities or, you know, new arrivals because yeah it's kind of cool that holy shit like big sentient spaceships are here and they're just wrecking shop don't love that that's kind of cool what's their whole deal uh they just come back and wreck shop they're big sentient i thought explained this they're big sentient spaces

that like caused a lot of the evil in the galaxy then you got to then they take everyone out you're talking about the new july order stuff right you're talking about the the usikvong no i'm Mass Effect. Oh, you're going to Mass Effect. Okay. I was like, I don't remember the space. Or the UJN. I mean, the, there are more just like organic technology people more than they are.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so. Mass Effect stuff is wild. Yeah.

You're constantly playing this card. And it's like, well, we just created a whole interesting setting and that I'm kind of invested in that. And to then the, you know, finale of these stories be like, actually. what if there is just a giant kaiju, right? Or the devil is coming. And these complicated internet scene politics and institutions, eh, fuck it. That's not,

that doesn't have enough, that doesn't have enough juice to sell you on how cool this next story is. And that concept is rarely ever that cool. So for me, I think fundamentally, though, I can still bracket all of that. and focus in on the stuff that is like, this is still a story about Crea and what Craya wants to do,

which is way more interesting than there is another Sith Empire somewhere out there that we have to be worried about on the corners of the earth or the corners of the galaxy or the universe or whatever. And that is the question of like, hey, what does she want from you, the exile?

Which I guess we'll get there when we get there. I guess the stay in a sort of... First we've got to fight these storm beasts. We have to fight this. Well, first we get the, first we get the, what I think is a very good montage of everyone being like, I'm worried about Malacor 5.

I can't believe we've got to go back to this place. I think these montages. This is the heat. Like this might be one of my favorite cutscenes in the entire game because it just has such a like engaging, compelling cadence to it all. As you're leaving the Ravager,

there's a cutscene that starts that moves between, as Austin said, it's a montage of all of your allies who are essentially reflecting on the fact that we're headed toward to Malacor 5. And it is so rhythmic and like it feels like for the first time maybe

that all of these people really are in sync and like contemplating how they individually relate to this place and this person, this person being you, the exile. It's just, it's, this is the juice for me of the exile and her relationships to her allies. This is, this is where it really peaks. I think we should listen to it. I say, do you want to listen to that?

I can pull just that up. I can edit out my. Do you get the same? Because you were so dark-sided. It's the same. I'm pretty sure it's the same. It's the same. Yeah, it is the same.

Everyone is just like, hey, time to go do the hard thing. Okay, let me. Except people will just like, look super fucked up while saying it. Of course. Which is really good. Okay.

You know, it really, you know what this montage is, though? What's that? It's Cotaur in the air tonight. Oh, it is kind of that. You're right. The Miami Vice in the air tonight. Okay. Three, two, one.

When to lose their lives, like I lost my family at Malacor 5. And all the Jedi who followed Revan, the true Jedi, died at Malacour 5. And Father left me, left us all when he lost all that he loved at Malacour 5. We go now, my master, to that dark place which made you. Or you gained your ship, your troops. your ship, my prison, that you dragged from the gravity well at Malacore 5. Wish I'd never met him.

Wish I'd died there. That the storms had dragged me down into Malacour 5. We will not surrender. We will not die, like we did on Malacour 5. Your command echoes still, General, and I obey, as I did at Malacor 5. Now Malacor 5.

comes to us, and I wish to face it, this last time. You know where you must go. It calls to you still. It is the heartbeat of the past. And she must be stopped there now. Or she will bring the screams of Maligo 5 to the galaxy, just as we carry the echo all this way. She will bring the screams, just like we brought the echo. Has anyone ever been done more dirty in a video game than Beo Derr? No, not at all.

It does not compare. I, every, I just, he does, he does everything he can with what he is given, and it just makes it 20 times cooler. It's insane. It's maddening. His voice acting, who is his voice acting? Roger Gennvier, Gwen, uh, Gwen, uh,

Gwen Vieer Smith, um, who is mostly a fairly, small-time actor who showed up in some Spike Lee stuff, has done some award-winning type stage work, has done, you know, some award-winning type stage work and some small films that have done pretty well. But he's like a bit role in most of the spike joints and has never really like, you know, this is the only video game he's ever done.

Well, he's my goat, so. It's incredible to be in a game with Crea and to be in scenes with her and be like, I kind of think Bayeodor ate that. I kind of think Baye O'Dar is the dude. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I thought you're going to say something.

It's just not fair. It's just not fair. I just like, I can't take it. Like I, and I don't want to like say the thesis of this episode too far in the beginning we have a lot to talk about. But coming to the end of this game and being like, I put so much money in Attenstocks and lost my fortune. And then the other two characters that I was most interested in were

Mandelor and Bayodor who like were footnotes. And like to like feel like I was like attached to my party or like got a satisfying like, you know, experience of the game. Like I didn't get any fits off. I like played it badly. There were so many relationships in this game that like just came to an end and like, you know, they were just stopped. Um, so I mean, pros and cons, I can't.

fault them for shipping half of a game, I guess. Right, right, right. But I also like would. Oh, no, no, contrary. I can fault them for this because it's not that they shipped half the game. It's that they went back to their go-to move, which is like Kotor, I think, is a worse offender. Cotor 2 is a worse offender than Cotor 1, I think. Hey, I got an idea.

This has been a party-based RPG so far. What if it isn't for just an extensive portion of this game? See, I like this. hanging out and just grinding through encounters and you're not with the homies and you're not and you're also not like using the interesting combos of powers so I I do think kingdom hearts Rob I love the exiles fucking alone in Malacore at the end it's so but like not if all the encounters are with eight different guys of course of course no the fight suck but I think that the idea of like you needed to be with the homies when you go back to the haunted place no no no no I think there's

other ways to do it. That's fine. But like, yeah. The way that, yes, in a story, the exile facing this alone works.

In practice, you're playing a party-based RPG that just stops doing that. And narratively, they also don't really have any resolution for the life board that Evan Hawk

in this, in this. It's just like, well, the exiles alone and is going to go to have this conversation with Crea,

And she's got a kind of gesture at what's going on with the others, but it's not really clear. She'll give you the one-liner on everybody. And once again, there's kind of weird moves being made here, too, where it's been hinted that, like, there's something very special about Mira. And she's got, like, a special, like, she's, like, she's so, she's going to be a really powerful Jedi. She's got, she's got that, you know, for that irreverent bounty hunter thing, she's, she's got going. there is a sort of Jedi waiting to sort of take wing here. And again, these characters, these directions are not going to be paid off in this game. And so it's all just going to kind of, it's all just going to kind of stop.

So I think there's, I think it's all related to this central thing the game keeps doing, which is slamming on the brakes of the. gang teaming up and working together and fighting this out. They do try to get at it by having your buddies show up at various points in this finale, but it's super. Does go well for them. And it's super disjointed. That is where the game starts to feel like we just don't ship this thing.

Well, to be clear, Rob, the stuff you're talking about is not in the game. That's in the mod. They don't show up to fight Crea at all in the shipped game. this is i linked you all to a deadly stream uh form post called what's restored in tsl rcm which by the way i'm saying is rcm now i've been saying CRM for six months and it's it's RCM and that is a planet by planet breakdown of stuff that was restored partially restored or not restored uh you can you should at your leisure read through this i will just read through the stuff that was restored on malacor five one spare me

Kraya puts Sion in a force choke and shows him that his strength is meaningless as the strength of her cutoff hand. That was not in the shipped game. Two, Sion reports the exile's arrival. After crash landing on Malacore 5, Sion goes to tell Krea to tell her that the exile has arrived. Crea tells Sion to bring him or her before her. That is not in the game. HK47 showing up to save the remote, not in the shipped game. Atten and the disciple have a little bit of a tete-a-tete.

which maybe Allie you saw. Did you see that? Okay, interesting. It's there. We should watch that later because it's wild. That is not in the shipped game. You get that weird crystal from a dead Jedi. That's not in the shipped game.

The handmaiden and Vsauce. The hurricane crystal. The hurricane crystal. They could have left that one there. The thing of like you open it and you're like, ooh, what's going to be in here? Is it going to be like a, is it like my old crystal? No, it's just like a kind of mid-crystal in the final dungeon

of a game where you're just washing everybody who tries to fight you anyway. I didn't even put that shit in. There is a potential handmaiden and Vsauce fight that did not make it in. There's the bit where Crea is like the exile will have to save the party or come fight us. They probably could have left that one out too. That one got added. The Atten and Darth Zion fight gets added by this mod. Atten potentially dying here gets added by this mod.

Atten showing up at the very end and being like, I guess we're going to. going on another adventure. That is also added by this mod. Handmaiden Vsas asking whether or not they can go with you is in this mod. The party trying to attack Kraya is from this mod. And this one's weird. On the map under the start menu, the doors leading to the Traus Crescent are now labeled as the Traus prison cells. I don't know why they need to change that.

That doesn't really need to. There's also the bit where this one says maybe it's only in one version of. of this. The player is once supposed to be able to take party members with her to Malacor. The player could ask Mandelor what he knows of the planet. If the player warps to a certain place, Mandelor can still, you can still hear Mandelaar's response. Maybe that coat goes into the bit where you save them. And Mandelor is like, I've actually never been on this planet. It's taboo for Mandalorians to come on here. I've only been above it. But yeah, so like every planet has stuff listed like that to some till a greater or lesser degree. Places like Narshadah, which are big,

have even more than that. So you can imagine, Rob, all the things you're feeling about like this game doesn't feel finished, multiply it. Because like, imagine, the first time I played this game, you show up,

you are completely alone, there's none of the party stuff at all. They don't get washed by Crea. They're just, I think, in prison. And that's that. I even think some of her dialogue at the end is reduced. But I'm not, maybe I'm not listed here.

So maybe I'm misremembering that. But, all through the whole game too. So I do feel justified in having us play this version of the game and not the launch version of the game, which I think would have been torturous. On top of the fact, I didn't say this in my summary, I could not stop crashing through that dungeon. I could not stop crashing.

It's like the game. My first two crashes. The game was pulling itself apart. The shadow mass generator was fucking done with Cotor 2 and my playthrough of it. So yeah, like half the stuff of you were really. talking about didn't even ship. So the feeling your feeling, I think, would have been even worse if you played this game at launch.

So. But yes, Allie, to your point of you invested in people who then didn't got, who got, you know, poorly done. I don't, this game, I keep saying it, should have been one less planet and maybe three less companions. And all of that time should have been invested in the things that they already had. I don't need go-to. I like some of the go-to shit.

But we don't need him in the game. He doesn't need to be a companion at least, at the very least. No, but libertarianism requires him in the game. I don't think Hanhar needed to be a companion because the idea that Mira is... What happens with Hanhar? He's not there at all. At all. At fucking all.

He's not in the crew? I don't know where he... He's not in the fucking montage. He he just I don't know what happened to him He just took off No There's no there's no Post game report on Hanar

I'm sorry Beodor She didn't She didn't know you who you met Hey what's gonna happen to the beast Do you mean Bayo Derr? No I have to take it back

Beauder boosters I'm sorry but you did not lose this one as bad as Hanhart boosters Now, to be fair, why are you a Hanhar stand? You can't, don't be standing at Hanhar. Hanhar hoddies need to look inward and know that they can, they can do so much, you can love yourself more than being a Hanhar hoddy and you can graduate to a Bayeodur batty. There you go.

Now, will you get to see Bayeodur ever again? No. No. But that's a part of being a Beauder batty is about, it's about pining, it's about unrequited. It's love. Yeah. It is about yearning. Yearning is a key, key experience of the Beauderbatties.

Yeah. Contingent. Yeah. Apparently, there is some scraps of information that suggests that if you have Hanhar, he is supposed to save the exile by throwing her onto the Evan Hawk and dying with the planet. What? Okay. That didn't make it.

Because you liked that. You know? Oh, right. Instead, Mira fights him, one V-wants him in the valleys of Malacor. He didn't level up. I got to tell you, he was not ready for Jedi duelist, Jedi gunslinger. Mira, that was barely a fight. Didn't he say, like, let's end it?

No more life dad? I want out. I had her say, yeah, I had her say, no, I won't be killing you. bring me to Crea and then I'll tell you your life dead is clear. And he was like, that doesn't count. And I was like, I don't care. Bring me to Crea. And then he doesn't show up again.

He doesn't like in the back. He didn't lead. He's just gone again. Likewise, Beauder. I think I'm maybe I said this last time. Maybe I didn't. There's evidence that he was maybe supposed to be part of the HK factory arc where he is supposed to help HK go shut down the HK factory.

Which of course isn't what happens. I was scared from that. Yeah, I think this is better. At least we have the blank space of being like, well, maybe he's back on the ship making it fixed, even though he wasn't in the montage just his voice was. Maybe he became the ship. I don't know. I hate that. I don't know.

Well, you know, he was busy, like, working on his remote. You know, he just didn't want, he didn't want to live stream the, you know, when the montage crew, came through and we're like, hey, we have to do the filming today. He was like, oh, I'm really behind on the remote. Can I just like send in an audio file? You could have just put him in the game instead of the remote at the end. Yes. And had him be the one. The whole thing

is his arc feels like he is dying to atone for what he did. Like, this is true. To be clear, that is what's supposed to happen with the Tilos stuff. He's supposed to give his life to stop the HK factory and save Tilos his life, his new life's work. But yes, Rob, please continue.

Sorry. But So much of his arc is about this profound sense of guilt. He's always doing the Oppenheimer. I have blood on my hands. That's right. He is Oppenheimer. And so it seems very appropriate for this character to come to the place where he committed his greatest sin at the behest of the exile, someone he completely hero worships and both agree that this was necessary, but Bayo could never sit with

the sin. The necessity doesn't quell his conscience for what happened. And so it feels like what should be happening is that Beauder is going to make sure that the loop is closed, that Malacor is finished and he will die at the hands of his machine is the only one he knows how to sort of fire it up again and lay down his life so that the crew of the Ebenhawk can make a getaway and the evil of Malacor 5 and what he did, which made more horrific by the discovery of the Ravager, like that all of that will die with him. Right.

In a sense, if he doesn't do the mass shadow generator at Malichor, Nylist never destroys Qatar or any of the other places because Nailis is made via the match outer generator effectively. Wow. What's funny or it's easy to imagine. This is, I mean, I should say, I'm going to say this part first. I'm curious what you're all going to think about this game in 20 years. Because what's happened for me is it's lived in my brain for 20 years, right? And when it lives in your brain, you remember who Baye O'Dar is and what happened to

Baye O'Der in the war and all of that, or this is what happened to me anyway. and you, the part that leaves is, and then the game forgets to end Beauder's story. And so you end up like with Beauder in your heart where he's supposed to be. And I say that because, you know, the, it's so easy to imagine a better ending where he confronts you if you decide

you don't want to blow up Malacor 5. Craig seems to give you those options at the end, which are not in my Lexington, by the way, because I asked different questions. So if people haven't heard that, her laying out those three options and all they did is watch the Let's play. play, that's why. But like, you can imagine if you were like, and I'm choosing to stay here with

Malacore 5 to make it a new school or whatever, and him showing up like Rex in Mass Effect being like, I can't, you know, general, I can't let you do that, you know, like having to convince him or or have him fight you over it. Like that's where this style of game would be going just a few years after this. You know, Mass Effect one is mid-2000s, right? Like 2007. And so like, it's only three or four years away from this that you end up getting that sort of layered, oh, this character is going to reject you inside of the big budget AAA cinematic CRPG. That's what I was already in the Baldersgate games and stuff like that, to be clear. But like this style of heavily produced, heavily voice acted, animated game.

And like that version of it is probably, you know, we're all going like, holy shit, can you believe Bayauder said, no, I'm not going to let you build a new school. the bait and like, no, that's not the game we got. We got the one where he doesn't show up again. He turns on his Roomba. And, and he's the last person mentioned by Crea. Crea does, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but Crea gives you the wrap-up of every character. It's like, Aten goes and does this, Mir is going to go into this.

I can see the future. And she gives you you and her. And then you can make, what about the droids and Beauder, all as a unit? And she gives you a, she's like, I don't know. I can't really see them, which is consistent because she doesn't see him in the force. But, like, it makes it feel like even your character forgot about them until the end. They weren't in the... You couldn't say Beauder after Atten or after Mandelor?

It had to be... I asked what was going to happen to the disciple before I asked what happened to Beauder, my boy? Are you kidding me? It's crazy. It's crazy. It really feels like... Not only is his story tragic, but our experience of it. his story is tragic.

Well, and I think we can also say another casualty to the heteronormative essentialism of Cotor because Beio has, it may not be sexual, but it is erotic, his sort of like connection and fascination with the exile. And also, in a way, is sort of a counterpart to Atris. Atris is the person who admired you and viewed you as a kindred spirit and you betrayed her by leaving to go and fight this war. And that sort of derailed her path as a Jedi and has haunted her ever since. That is the partner you abandoned. Beio is the partner you forged and who, like, your collaboration,

The thing you brought into being was death, right? That your child of this partnership is a planet destroying and possibly force destroying super weapon that has somehow massive unintended consequences. And so I do think the inability to sort of, like the lines and the lines, line readings from Beio are so intense that it is like a very, at least on Bayos part, a very intense emotional connection and intimacy. And this is a game that doesn't do intimacy super well in a lot of places and is frequently weird about forms of intimacy.

and can't really perceive what a sort of lying there on the page and on the and on the recordings where, oh, Bayo is like, Bayo is your partner from the war. Atris is your partner from the before time. Both are haunted by your decisions. Beio, like, accepts them and stands by you, but still feels you both. committed something for which you can never be forgiven and you can never balance the scales. With the note that Beio also sees that guilt in himself, which actually lets him bridge the gap with you in a way that Atris refuses to, or is consumed by the guilt, but also refuses

to like admit it until it's too late, that she even has a big part in this too. She could have gone with you, right, and didn't. Well, and even, I think to agree, like, Beio is insistence upon being the person who bears all the guilt. Yeah. I think it was again an expression of protecting the exile. And the exile remains, yes, General, of course, it was a necessary decision. I'll follow you anywhere. You know, I think you were right to use that weapon.

I think you were a hero and you saved the galaxy. But I am going to hell for building that weapon that we used at Malacor 5 because it was unspeakable evil that we unleashed. And I think there again, it's another expression of that sort of loyalty and intensity where for you to remain my pure perfect hero, I actually have to become sort of the devil in the garden, as it were. That it's my fault that all this happened. Not you, general. It is important that you carry on because you have an important virtuous destiny, unlike me who's always. only works have been evil.

Well, at least he gets to be one of the lost Jedi, which I guess we'll get to in a little bit. Right. He's one of the lost Jedi. I don't know. Right. Yeah. I mean, he's a Jedi. Or for me, he's a Jedi.

And they become the lost Jedi per Crea, which is the group that's going to refound the Jedi order. So, you know, we can give him that in our hearts, even if it's not what the game gives him, you know? All right, what's what's happening? What's next? Storm beasts. Storm beasts. Got to put something on the planet. Storm beasts.

And then what if there's a big one? Did you all... There's the greater... Greater storm beasts. Before the remote... Thank God I did. Okay. Yep.

I missed one. And I turned the corner... Oh, sorry, I did miss one too, but I had to... Yeah. I turned the corner with her... So there are these storm beasts. They're like, I don't know. How would you describe them?

another like off another another team who ranker yeah that's right they're like green rankers um they're nothing they're that's the

I mean that's the thing for me Rob the actual thing you were like why am I not why is this like party based combat party based combat hasn't been

combat for me in seven hours 10 hours 12 hours like it's not like they're it's not like they're I mean I actually I'll say this getting to fight Craya

at the end who doesn't just fall over instantly was like oh You can make a fight that lasts more than like three seconds. Not for me. You can by just making them beat all the saves. Right, yeah, exactly.

But that's, that's D&D's fault. That's the and D's fault. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think a lot of this is the, yeah. It's like, I mean, I guess I would rather this than Cotor 1's Malik fight. So, um, anyway, the, you fight these Storm Beasts. Yeah. Do you like them?

We were, we have, you know, a record that. what happened with you with the Malik fight? Oh, I mean, yeah, that was one of the worst things in history, really. Okay. It was pretty bad. You're right. You're right. No, this is just, this is recency bias, but I just have to say, running around

kiting three Fantasia-ass lightsabers fucking sucks. Wait, why are you kiting them from? Yeah, why did you run around? Because I didn't want to fight all three of them at once. I wanted to, like, fight them so much. Just fight Crea. Okay, so remember my exile is a wordsmith. I see.

See, Rob, the thing is you do it to yourself. You did not learn the lesson of Kotor. And you did not just simply choose to do the MinMax strategy. I keep thinking it's going to be different. I keep thinking that there'll be, hang on. I did. Like, did I own Sion with facts and logic? Yeah, you almost certainly do.

I guess I beat the shit out of him a lot, though, first. Yeah, but you do get to talk to him and be like, you're being stupid. Oh, it makes every stage easier because every stage you're like, uh, every stage is like, reduct you at absurd up. That's right. And he's like, no. And then he can't make his saves. And now you can stumlock him.

Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. If you're so strong, why do you need the force, idiot? Oh, wow. Good point. I guess you could stun me now. Anyway, yeah, you have to kill all the, well, you don't have to, but there are these storm beasts on the, you really should.

And if you don't, then the Beauders Remote has to, like, run past them really quick because Beauders Remote is level one and we'll get tore up by those things. And so if you don't kill them all, which you're not given any, you know, the, the exile doesn't know this. The player doesn't know this. You can just, for instance, run through this dungeon, be like, I don't have to explore this whole place. I can just go forward. And if you do, then you leave the remote to deal with that. And I've talked to at least one or two people, or I've seen one or two people in the comments of the let's play being like, yeah, when I first got this game, I got hardlocked here because I didn't keep more than one save. And I couldn't beat the remote section.

And so that was that for me in this game. I'm trying to imagine the mind if someone doesn't keep more than one save of Cotor 2. like that is a fascinating like we need to study that is terrifying yeah I you know what I think I was up a hundred fifty two saves yeah

my final count was in the 300s yep not count with all the names are starting to get real like blerg yeah you're just not good hitting the buttons fucking F-U-KN fucking owned

things like that RIP-Sion yeah Rip Bozo Smoking the Sion pack Because that guy gets fucking owned Okay We have to skip past this

Has anyone ever fallen on their face More than Darth Zion when Craig comes back And is like Neil Pig It's unbelievable How much she's in control To the point where I'm actually not sure I believe her story That she tells you about what her apprentices

Or her Sith partners did like memory being Remember being defeated on this planet and then tortured and boy is that vibe not the case when she rolls back up and Sion is just like I'll show you my belly

Like yeah he's deep Now maybe two of them together It's Nylis she does genuinely seem to be like afraid of what Nylis can do to the galaxy I don't think that that's false But Ali I think Sion is a follower Like, I feel like he so fully does not have anything left.

And, like, I mean, even him feeling like, I broke myself for this and it's meaningless. So the thing that he wants is, like, to listen to what somebody else will tell him. So Craya being, like, in a position of authority in that moment is like, well, okay, sure. Yeah. And, okay, did you all get the Cyan stuff? Natalie's nodding with head and finger. Talk to us about what Sion does to the with the female exile. What's his vibe?

Because I understand it's different. It is different. It is different. First of all, I'm not sure. I want to, I want to, in this initial Krea Darth Sion confrontation, he, he lets Krea know that she's here, that the exile is here. And Darth Zion says to Crea She may not survive Malichore And Crea says to him

So touching Can it be you still have feelings within that Within that shell So we're setting the stage Yeah he didn't say that shit for about me He like hates the male exile I think In a way that's the vibe is very like I'm teacher's pet

Who are you? I'm supposed to be the number want. I mean, like, down to the way that she's like, oh, what I'm going to do when the exile gets here is make him the blank slate you were supposed to be. Oh. You don't get that? You didn't get any of that? Well, no, what she says is, you know what I shall do. You who wear my teaching so well, I will break her. She is a blank slate upon which my teachings may be written. Yeah. As you well know. Yeah, I think that's very much like you disappointed me type shit, but it does not give any of the like

you carry love for her in your heart or whatever. Oh, for me, I really read it as like, I'm going to do to her what I did to you. And to me, that was speaking to Darth Zion, like, knowing that torturous process. Oh, right. Like feeding into his sort of protectiveness over the exile female.

Right. Like, ooh, you know how much. much I can hurt someone yourself because I've done it to you. I'm going to do this to her, this person who you love or you have feelings for. Interesting. Whereas for me, it reads as like, you know, I already tried it with you, but it didn't work out, I guess. I guess you just weren't a good enough student, you know? Right. So, because otherwise, why would I need another student? Because I already have you, you know? Yeah. I definitely saw it as kind of like her, her, her,

clocking that Sion has this this affection towards the exile and her threatening like almost in

feeding Sion's rage and you know feeding into negative feelings that threatening the exile would kind of contribute to that as well well to skip

shall I skip ahead to the exile and Darth Zion then? Yeah, let's do it. To wrap this out. Please. I want to know how that goes. Yeah. He says to the exile that you should not have come to Malacor.

She will break you. Return to the surface. Let the planet claim you as it claimed the other Jedi. There is no... Well, first of all, hold on. She says, she will break you. Your mind. Your body. You will be lost.

And I was like, what do you know about my mind and my body? But then he says, return to the surface. Let the planet claim you as it claim the other Jedi. There's no reason for you to suffer at her hands. And you can ask him, why are you telling me this? Oh. And he responds and says, you and her are alike yet different in all the ways that matter. Okay.

And I hate you as I hate her. I hate you because you crawl within my head as she. does, but your presence holds no thoughts, no teachings. You are just there unspoken. I hate you because you are beautiful to me. And in that weakness lies death. Perhaps in that weakness is the death of my master as well. Okay. That's not really how you. Is that a little different? Yeah. So when you first show up as a guy, he says, so you've come here to die. First of all, science voice. is pretty good. I just want to say that really quick.

He's also one of my faves. He's killing it. He is this. Yeah, he's great. He says, so you've come here to die like the Jedi before you. This planet is a graveyard for your kind. She thinks you should be spared, but only so you might suffer. You will break.

And when you do, you will die. Why should, why she would bother with one such as you is something I will never understand, which again reinforces the like with a male exile, the vibe is very like, why does she need another dog? Like, why did he, like, real, like, older brother. I'm her best puppy. Why is there, why, I don't want their, I don't want to have a little sibling. I want to be an only child.

I want my parents to love just me. You know, that's his energy. And then, yeah, the, similarly, you can, you can, actually, maybe there's not even a comparison to the, to the bit you just read. I'm looking at it now. I think that that's just, like, not really, that part of it where you're like, why are you telling me this is, like, not really available, I think, to God. Really?

You just kind of get into it a little bit fight-wise at that point. So, yeah. Can you ask about Crea's weakness? Yeah, you can ask about Crea's weakness, and he says the bit, which is like, you know, you are, you are her weakness, etc. Yeah. That's really good. I mean, that's the stuff. That's the fucking heat.

That's the stuff. I love it. I'm here for it. Does he tell you about the Traus Academy? and about like what this place does he go through all that stuff with you like normal which is interesting because it does i'd forgotten this i'd been thinking this whole time of playing the game that either revin or or or dark trea that is crea builds the traus academy on the ruins but he suggests that it's like thousands of years old and this is the it's tied to the ancient

sit stuff rob that you were kind of bouncing off of but i do like the idea that it is you know she says there's always needs to be a Darth Trea. And given that, I kind of like, oh, yeah, and this is like where that Darth hangs out, you know, this is the Darth Trea headquarters, you know. Yes, Treya is like taken from Traus. It's not the other way around. That's right. Originally, I was like, damn, Trea really just, like, called it the Trea school.

That was a choice. Yeah. But I have also seen multiple people be like, Darth Trey. like betrayal and I'm like yeah that's all the Darth names it's Darth Nylis like nihilism it's like he's the Sion he's the final one it's Darth Vader like Darth invader it's like Darth and Vidae it's like Darth and Sidious

they're all like this okay I never got Darth invader never until right now and also like Darth Vader like Darth father Dark father right has also always been there even before he knew he was Luke's father but anyway makes sense all all Darth names fucking are corny. That's what they are.

Totally. Until you get into the deep EU where they're just like, Darth blogger. Darth blogger. That's it. He's the Darth who blogs. Wow. That was a real,

not affording and slip, but like a deep access to. Many such cases. It's all this Ryan Lizzie shit that's being posted. I'm like, that dude is a dark lord for fucking sure. Man, you would think for most people getting fired for masturbating

a conference call while your co-workers are present. You would think for most people that would be the low ebb of everything. That guy's still around? Bro. Don't even worry about it. Wait, sorry. Don't even worry. If you know followed this Olivia Nusie thing? He's in good word. That's him?

That's him. That's him? Yeah. Well, because so the thing is what we now know about Olivia Nuzi. I mean, you kind of already knew this if you followed her work back in the day. The minute Lizza was like caught doing that. He became catnip to Olivia

Newsy. Like, she was the barred of profiles of shit heel dudes. One of her breakthrough stories was like covering Anthony Weiner, for instance. And so she like started her relationship with Ryan

Liza in the wake of this and it was gross and horrible and everyone hated it. But it is so funny also that Ryan Liz is like, I'm starting to get a feeling this relationship isn't on the soundest footing. Why is she reading this book that says how to have

phone, how to have like text sex with RFK Jr. And he's like, that doesn't seem like good sign for me. Wait, you used to read a book about that? Yeah, dude. They didn't come up on RP like us, Allie. They don't know what the world is.

Oh, okay. That is wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Anyway, back to Darth Zion. That's right. Thank you. He would know how to do it without a book, I think. That's what it sounds like. So true.

Like, Darth Zion has RFK energy, honestly. No. Like, bro, what the fuck is your deal? He's all right. No, I reject it. Please continue telling us about how he tried to ris you up or whatever. Do you say I'm a river and you're my canyon? Cannot.

Please, God, no. Please, that actually makes me nauseous. Okay, what if he said it in his accent? First of all, he's the driest motherfucker on this planet. That's kind of his whole thing. It's so it's really like. Good God, just seeing that dude, you're like, is moisturized on the shopping list? Do I have a moisture on the canyon?

It's him. Let's be clear. He's the canyon. He's the canyon. I, in my head canon, Darth Sion, and that, like, he, he's been communing with the exile, the same, like, Raylo vibes. Raylo vibes. Yeah, Raylo vibes. Yeah.

Raylo vibes. Okay. Also, tell you about, hey, just, let's we, right, he played this game, right? The last Jedi, Ryan Johnson, yeah. this is just, it's all here in various ways. Okay, just making sure we are all on the same page on that. I'm convinced of that, yeah. I have no doubt.

Jesus, now that you say that, even like Kylo Ren's whole deal is kind of Crea-coded. It's kind of crea-coded. Yeah. He does not, yeah, 100%. You think you're important in this story, but you're not. What if we skipped ahead? Okay. Anywho, he also gives you some information about Revin.

Right, right. This is all that stuff, yeah. Yeah, she says that, you know, he says that like you, Revin touched power and turned, touched power and turned away. She had the chance to heal this fractured galaxy and she turned away, but can't talk. which is yeah again sort of pointing us to the fact that Revin is

extremely relevant and important here but my strategy through this was just to basically point to the fact that Crea does not care for Darth Zion and that she has already abandoned

sion. So that was my strategy of eroding his will. I did have a banger line against him where after the first

fight, you have to fight him four times. And after the first fight, he says, now you realize the true power of the dark side. As long as the dark places of this world flow through the cracks of my flesh, I cannot be killed.

And I hit him with the this battle was never about the flesh. It was about belief. Damn. Damn. I mean, to be fair, that's kind of like Craya's first lesson. He didn't learn that yet.

He's hopeless. Crea just like ripped me a new one an hour ago on Corabon because I didn't realize that this whole thing was about belief in teachings and not about just getting bodies on the board. So the fact that you haven't gotten that at this point, is really it's not coming through to you. Oh gosh.

And then you fight him again. You have another, another, he gives you another chance as a female. I'm curious if you got this in the third, before the third fight, where he says you are strong, as strong as I had believed, but she knows you cannot defeat me.

Surrender now, return to the, surface of Malacor, do not force me to destroy you. One more chance. One more chance at Cyan holding it down on Malacor with Crea and, you know, letting you go free to live a full and happy life. Is that what he says to you guys? No, he says, you are strong. Perhaps she was correct about you, but you cannot kill me. She knows this. And then at the end of that part of the conversation, he says, you are the one who will fall, die Jedi. Whereas I think to you, he maybe says like, I don't, I just don't want you to suffer. It would be bad if you, if you hurt a lot, so just let me kill you like normal style.

Or just leave, right? Yeah. He gets washed again and again. And every time you do one of these, if you succeed at the awareness or wisdom or intelligence or persuade or whatever, check, you drop his saves. I think Rob you mentioned this already, but you get his will constitution, his will save drops, his constitution and wisdom drop, which means he's getting easier and easier to beat each one of these fights. Mm-hmm. You know? And the final thing that you say to him as he's like on his knees, he's like, I cannot die.

Um, I said to him, you have fallen and you are dead. You only must admit it. And he says, you know, it is not possible the fact that the exile was able to look at the force and abandon it. Right. You know, to look at the power of the force and turn away from it, that it would be impossible to walk away from such a thing unscarred to keep living when the universe dies around you. So the idea that like in that the exile was unscathed after creating this wound in the force is, you know, unimaginable to him. And you tell him that Crea hates the force even as she wields it. If the force is what you are, then that is what she despises.

The force fills an empty, shattered shell. There's little left of the man you once were. You know this. It is possible to live without the force. and die without it. It is the truth, Sion. You feel it. Let go.

It is not such a terrible thing. And he says to you, her weakness is you as you were mine. I am glad to leave this place at last. Damn. And then he dies. When did we figure out that Krea hates the force? Like me saying this to Sion in this moment was

not totally within my sort of understanding of things. It felt revealed to me by the text options itself. Like, I don't think I really got that until this moment. So I'm curious of other people felt like they really understood

Krea hating the force before this point. I'm going to leave you. open to other people before I sweep in because I'm curious. I find that this is one of the common, wait, what moments of the end of this game? It's probably worth saying. Not only I think, when this game launched where people like, what the fuck, it just ended, there's also a lot of like what was crazy even trying to do?

What was crazy motivation, et cetera, that I think is a lot clearer if you have been slowly talking about the game the whole time through and being like, and have, for instance, have a document called Crayifacts or whatever but I I'm curious if the rest of you remember where this stuff pops up throughout or you know

earlier as Natalie or sorry Ali and Rob the answer might just be no yeah this this came as a surprise to me too like I her final monologue of speaking about it feels so

powerful and poignant that it feels it feels lessened here when it's the character like when it's the exile speaking it for put unquote the first time

because I feel like even in the extended sort of like scolding that me and Natalie got that you guys didn't quite good I don't know that like this angle was included in that and like you know, it's, it's, this is another thing for me a little bit, where it's like,

I don't know that this game ever gave me the opportunity to be in Cray's perspective in that way, to really deny my reconnection to the force. Like, I guess I could have just, like, focused on guns the entire time and, like, never done a force power. I don't know. No, no, because it's important. for her that you, I mean, her perspective is not that you should live without it. You, the exile. Right. It is, it is in fact that you leave it and then manage to, by your own will, come back to it. That is part of what she is interested in. You know, it was already incredible that you turned away from it successfully. But then to like, exert your will over it is part of what makes you so strange.

Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, that is, that is what she says, to be fair. Like the thing of like, you know, you, you have exerted your own will over this thing that I, I hate because it takes wills over other people is, is fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Good for Greya. Rob. Well, I was just going to say, like, I think saying Gray hates the force, like the exile can do here, is a giving you the nutshell of what we've been learning about Crea this entire time

where her brand of apostasy is certainly suggestive of what's the way to put it not a crisis of faith a crisis of coming to believe the object of your faith has always been unworthy of it and is in fact a malign influence. So like, Craya's disdain for the Jedi order, her disdain for their relationship with the force, her disdain for the paradigms people use to describe relationships with the force

and the Jedi's place with it or the, the Sith's relationship to it. She has contempt for all of it. And so when you say Craya hates the force, she's mastered every form of it. She can do all of it. She fundamentally thinks it is not, it is, it is basically meaningless as a path to enlightenment or to creating justice or goodness in the galaxy.

The force is not going to help with these. We have enough information at this point. And it's not just the institutions. everybody who touches the force can arrive at a good answer because the force itself is powerful, but unenlightening, unhelpful, dangerous. And so when you say, Cray hates the force, it's like, yeah, she does. And now we're just going to, now we're like, now we're going to summarize it. It's not just, oh, she disdains the teachings of all the force users. This goes beyond that. Yeah. So I think, you know, to go back to Natalie, like, where does this first come up?

because it feels like, I think the thing you're hitting on is like, this is the first time it's been said in so few words, so tightly. Right. But it most recently comes up. We don't hear someone else say she hates it. Atris tells us that she's going to try to destroy the force. She says she seeks the death of all the Jedi, all the Sith, and the death of the force.

It's madness. It's impossible, but she believes you are the key. And then she explains how it might work. The right person at the right time might create an echo in the force that a wound in the force that spreads and kills everything connected to it. And Atress's view. on this is like, you know, she was stripped of the force. The force has been this terrible thing in her life.

That's why she does it. Even before that on Dantuin, you know, when she talks about like, this is where she first kind of says outright to you that like part of the appeal for you is that, is that you are able to pull yourself away from the force. And that specifically the thing that she wanted you to do and that you did start to do to the Jedi is show them life without the force. and in a way that that would be productive. The thing of the thing that she says is instead of,

I'm just going to read it, this is for when you kill them. This is the dark side stuff that the lecture you all got. I've taught you to hear the force again, shown you the contrast, and yet you still do not understand. This is what you have wrought. Countless murders,

murderers, slayers, assassins, born of war that has, as always, taught the wrong lesson. You showed them life without the form. And instead of showing them truth, power, all you showed them was how the galaxy may die. You are responsible for all of this. And so the thing that she wants is for a vision of life without the force to be able to be as, you know, desirable as a vision of life with the force.

And so that's kind of the moment that it gets crystallized in the dark side play through. In the light side play through, it's always a little more tenuous than that. But this is one of the reasons why I have gone through as we've been playing. I've been pointing out these times where I've said, doesn't she seem a little skeptical of the force here? Or doesn't she seem a little, like, frustrated with the way this works? Going back to the huge, very memed on, do you help someone or do you hurt someone a bit on Narshada, right? Where she is like, look at how this echoes into the future. And you can read that as a sort of like, don't help people.

or be or the even more kind of simple like your actions have unintended consequences sometimes. But I really think part of what she is saying is your actions have unintended consequences because the fucking force echoes out the way that we are connected to one another in ways that are unfair to us. And I think you can even go a step further and say she doesn't like stories because stories make that happen in ways that are unfair. and she's fucking stuck in a story, you know? Or she just like, you know,

there's a lot of like really fun meta stuff that can happen here because you're like, part of the reason you can exert will on the force is because you have a controller in your hand. And no one else in the world does. Everyone else in the world has to just like get force stormed to death. But you get to pick dialogue options. No one else gets to pick dialogue options. And I think she sees all of that stuff is like, that's the force.

The force works on everybody else to make them, the reason that Sion says that you're his weakness or that you're her weakness the same way that it is his is like in her mind she's like yeah the force made him say that you know and the force sucks the force is getting in the way of us all being willing agents of our own and so there's kind of you can do a real existentialism read here you can do a real libertarian read here you can do a real anarchist read here about the center of of freedom freedom being the center of justice right But I, you know, that's a lot to do on one planet, one half-finished planet. But I do think when I talk about this game continuing to live in your mind for a long time, it's because it leaves you with this stuff that is so much juicier than anything that's in so much of contemporary Star Wars. And that feels like it's as in conversation with a line of philosophical inquiry that a lot of the original Star Wars feels like it's drawing on Eastern philosophy and stuff and making it very like, you know, what's the word? Junk foodie, you know, I mean that in a sort of a positive way.

It's something to like continue to chew on and play with. And it's very digestible in a way that's not really the same as going to read the primary material. But it's a, but it's an interesting lens that comes to bear on this stuff. So, but yes, I think that is one of the big questions that shows up pretty often. I think people are like, wait, where did this come from? it makes sense in retrospect like i think the way that you've kind of laid out previous moments and when i think about you know especially crea you know uh her disdain whenever you pull out a force persuade like she definitely fucking hates that um true right that totally it it it does it does make

sense but i think just the the directness in which it is said here is startling. It makes sense once we get to Kraya's kind of final monologue and the final discussion between her and the exile. But to have it, to have the exile herself summarize it so concisely and directly in this moment was like it felt like one of the very few, if maybe the only time that the exile understood something I didn't as the player, or at least I hadn't caught up to yet, which was a little jarring, but, you know, maybe I have a lesson to learn there. Yeah, I think that's fair.

I don't think that that's a lesson, you know. Yeah. before we get into Crea's final monologue do we want to talk about Crea

Crea versus the allies the gang? The gang? The gang is all here I don't I mean I don't think other things that we have is the at an

Michelle McCall McCall McCall I think McCall yeah is that before this when is that when does that happen do we know

that happens when the Ebenhawk yeah drops into the ground I think around then right Allie did you have that sorry what did you just say

I thought we were talking about the the Atten Siont thing, which is immediately after the Crair versus the party. Right. So that means this has to happen first. Have you all seen the Atten and McCall seen yet? Okay. We're going to watch this. I'll pull this up.

So wait, is there an equivalent handmade in V-sauce? There must be, and I haven't seen it. So let me see if I can find that too. I have no idea what that would look like. But I will find out, I guess. It's listed, you know, in the, it's listed on the, the, the, we do you call the TSL RCM, you know, list of things it's, it's done. But I don't, it's added, but I don't see it quickly. Let's watch this one because this one I have right here.

This is Cotor 2, Atten versus McCall. I will screen share it. Yeah, I think this has to be. before they all go to confront Krea. So, okay. Three, two, one. Hey, kid. Atten, the exile.

Where is she? She's safe. You don't need to worry about her. She never did, really. You know how long it's been since I killed a Jedi? You get a taste for it, you know? I killed a bunch here on Malacor. While the planet was dying,

killing a half Jedi like you should hold me over until the next one comes along. They always do, you know. Atten? Crayer is using you. Really? I had no idea. Everyone uses each other, kid.

And if she's using me to kill you, as I see it, I really don't lose anything. I already lost what mattered to me. I wanted to protect her, to help her, and then you show up, playing hero. Fine. Atten, the feelings between the exile and I...

It doesn't matter. not anymore. I had forgotten how much I hate Jedi. And the less of you that are in the galaxy, the better. Ready to die, kid. I won't fight you, Atten. I don't care. I just want you to die. That last line reading has been in my mind for fucking months.

Same. Same. Same. I don't care. I just want you to die. I don't care. I just want you to die. Did he not have like enough minutes on his, like, did he, phone that in? No, I think that's direction. I think he's been directed to be as like affectless and empty. There's no way.

They were just like, you gotta sink this one in. It's saucy in that it is so unique. But I don't know with that. How's your little meow meow? How's your little meow meow, Allie? He can't use a bedpack to save his fucking life. So he's resting in peace. Did you lose him?

I lost him too. Of course I did. He cannot heal himself for fuck. I do not. No, I guess I could have looked into that. I just, every time he uses a med pack, it gives him like 10 HP.

And I was like, okay, well, you're just, you're losing this one. You didn't use the good med packs? You weren't using the life support pack? He had a life support pack, and it still just was like not even half of his bar. Like, it's,

I don't know what's happening with him. Rip. He should have, he should have learned that for. from the Sith on fucking Malicorn when he was in a assassin. How to fucking treat injury. That's funny. So you all got him bled out at the end then.

I thought he was supposed to die. He shows up for me and, y'all didn't see how he showed up for me and Rob? Like I, I thought the, I thought the Darth Scion versus Atten confrontation. Like, I thought that was like a mandatory L. Or like the Demon Souls game, a Dark Souls game. Like, oh yeah, you're going to lose the boss? Yeah, I see. You got, and I was like, oh, Atten just doesn't survive this.

Like, that's his ending. He gets tortured the way he, yeah, sure. Because it's like, it starts up and signs like, first of all, Atten runs away from Krea. Okay, all the allies show up. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, you know what, keep going. Let's do this now. Yeah.

Okay. All the allies show up to confront Krea and be like, not our girl or not. our boy, you will not touch the exile. You will have to go through us first. And Craya's like, children, children, kids playing a game. Come close and let me see how well the exile has imparted their teachings upon you. And then she reads each one of them and is like, Handmaiden, you killed your own people. Disciple

You're just a sad sack of shit basically Vsauce You're still a slave, I guess And Atten You're just You're just dumb as rocks Yeah, you're a fool She goes hits that fool button again

Yeah, she hits the fool button And then she says Which of you wouldst like to try me Which of you wouldst like to square up And first handmade it approaches, she forced chokes her down. Why aren't you jumping? You got to jump her.

That is Crea. That is Darth Treya. You have seen her do force storm a thousand times in your game. Jump her. You'll have four ways into the little middle core area. Each take a bridge. Atten even says like we can't fight or maybe it's Visa. Somebody is like, we can't just try to fight her one on one.

We have to distract her with something Oh, it's when Mira, y'all didn't even see this Because wait, I didn't get this Allie, do you have, do you have mirror or do you have Hanar? I have mirror. Okay, so you did get mirror, be like, can't we just shoot a rocket at her? And everyone is like, no. Everyone is like, girl, where have you been?

What are you talking about? Wait, I'm dying at like, I wish Hanar was there to say something stupid dude. Oh, that would be so funny. It would be so funny. Can't we just throw a sword at her or whatever? Can I just go berserk mode? Can't I just activate berserk rage? So, yeah.

So she kills Handmaiden. She, well, she doesn't kill them because we find that again later. She forced Chokes Handmaiden out to passing out. she looks at the disciple she says the craziest thing ever to the disciple which pissed me off she says to the disciple you

were a wasted pawn of the Republic young one first of all the fact that everyone keeps referring to the disciple as like a kid and young one that man is 40 years old that is not a child that he's so fucking old Not that 40 is old, but he is not a kid. I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

No, like. No, like. Who's on the car? No, no, no. I'm 30. I'm 30. Listen, I got to say I look way better than the disciple. I look great.

You do. I'm looking at glasses, you know. He looks 70. Uh-huh. Yeah. He looks 70 years old. He's younger than the exile. He was a little kid 10 years ago.

He's supposed to be like 22. He's younger than Atten. Atten looks like a teen idol compared to fucking McCall. Actually, you know what? I didn't see Atten's face for half that game. Because you had a mask on. That's a big face visor. That's so funny.

But like, so I was like, why does Darth Atten look that way? I see. You're looking good, man. Oh, no, that's not what Darth Atten looks like. Darth Atten looks like what I posted in our chat. for some reason in this playthrough between this clip that Austin shared, Atten is maximum light side and the disciple is maximum dark side, which is the opposite of what I did in my play through. So that's why Atten looks so good here. But theoretically, he, if he was darksided,

he'd look like the guy in the picture. Oh, you're right. That is right. So the good guy Atten is saying, I don't care. I just want you to die. That's wild. How do you? they get this outcome. That is excellent. Okay, this is, see, this is the energy we needed for more Jedi.

I'm, okay, hang on, team Atten, back the truck up. On this rock, I will build my church. Well,

that is what happens canonically, it seems. So anyway, what does she say to the disciple who is, was it just a bit

where you were treating like, treating him like a kid? Is that the part you were saying? No, no. She says, uh,

uh, you are racist, a wasted pawn of the Republic, young one. You could have been so much more. Even with your wide-eyed innocence, your naive love for others. The disciple approaches Crea. Crea force chokes him to the ground.

Think, think, think, Crea says, to the disciples still. Think before you throw your life away for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance unfinished. A love requited. Think before you give it up so quick.

And with that, the disciples' head drops to the floor. You said that I had turned on, and unfortunately I only caught the very end of it in the OBS. So, but Chia, please include it. It was lined up perfectly with you. That is exactly what she says about the handmaiden. Exactly. And Rob and I, we talked about this last week. We made very concerted efforts about, like, separating ourselves from romantic entanglement.

with the handmaiden. Kraya can only see one thing. Kraya is like you're trying to help with him. There's also a little bit with that last like all those loss. I think she's also saying like, girl, there's an entire galaxy out there. Like you're really going to give up like,

play the field a little bit before you lay down your life. Yeah. At Malacor 5. What's interesting is I'm curious if you got this for anybody because what she says for us about the disciples, is you perhaps, you were a wasted pawn of the, Republic, young one.

You could have been so much more, even with your wide-eyed innocence, your naive love of others. Is that just what she says about Handmaiden before saying the love part? No, she says something totally different to Handmaiden. Interesting. Okay, yeah. So she says that to him, which makes sense, right? Because, of course, the Handmaiden is not a part of the Republic.

Maybe that's what she says. She didn't say that before to the disciple? She does. She does. Oh, okay. So that's all. That's what I said. So she says that first to the disciple.

Okay. Then she force chokes him. He falls to the ground. He's like kind of still looking up at her and she says the second part and then his head drops to the floor. And does she say nothing to you after she chokes the handmaiden? She doesn't have a, does she have a rejoined her to that? No. Because that's where the lust part would go if you were playing a guy.

So that's how it works. Okay. I see. I see. That makes more sense. Because it was weird. Yeah, she's the only, that's the only encounter that has like a part two post-force choke. Yeah, I think that reflects that it's modded in that way.

Makes sense. The squad confronting Kraya has such strong start of Ghostbusters vibes where like Vankman, the next, just cut to Vankman, get her. That was your big plan? That was your big plan. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Like that, like, it is, like, they work so hard to get to this moment.

Mira is, she has her confrontation with Hanhar and is, like, kicks his ass and then it's like, well, if you want to be free of the life debt, if Kraya's the badass you think she is, this is how you can get free. I'm going to get killed. That's right. So they all work so hard to have this confrontation with Krea. And Kraya is just like, one shots them all, done. Atten runs off.

This is his fight with Sion. Did you win this fight, Rob? Yeah. Because, so my Atten had a really high demolition score. Oh my God. So what I did was I immobilized Sion repeatedly and then sniper shot at him again and again. And so he couldn't do shit. shit. All I had to do was like break contact once. And then I just kept him sort of like foot

nailed to the floor and just like plinking him. That's fun. With like a charic. Here's what I like about that is that actually lines up partly with the way Atten talks about having killed Jedi in the past, right? Where he's like, listen, you can't just shoot them. You have to like trick them. You have to keep them from being able to counterattack you. You have to like kill them when they're asleep, which is, you didn't put them to sleep. But you know, I think that that's really fun. The, I realized how I survived this at and fight. I had to look at the footage. I had a level saved up on that.

So once his health got a little low, I hit that level up button and got all my health back in the middle of that fight. Damn. That's the real force power right there. You get full health on level up. You got to save that shit. I had also like blacked out at some point and just gotten so many life support packs. Dude, like could actually feel for shit. No.

I had a hundred and 14. Dude, I thought 70 was a lot. Okay. I was like, I had like 70 life support packs. It was 19 and then another 15 or 99 and another 15. Like it didn't fit into one stack of them. Well, I also, this is the first time we've found a work bench in fucking 15, 20 hours of the game or whatever. And I was like, this is the only time I'm going to use any of these chemicals, time to make 120 life support tracks.

Yep. A hundred percent. that. Well, and I will say this also, to your point, Allie, and maybe this is actually to a Rob's point at the beginning. This is a fight that could have been more fun if it was Atten plus somebody else. Because remember Atten has all those powers about like not dying. Maybe that's how he survives this fight at all, even in the, where he dies later is he self-reszes off-screen. I don't know. My, uh, I hadn't really paid enough attention what force powers I was teaching Atten. This is the other reason. I was like, thank God for these grenades.

because he had lightsaber throw. Yeah, that's not very... He had... He had... He'll won. And I think he had... Revitalize? Sure.

It's a solo fight. So that's... Not going to raise anybody. And so I had not given him any combat abilities. He had a lightsaber. No force speed. Yeah, he had absolutely

nothing. That's fun. He put the lightsaber away and put the pull the gun out. He was like, time to go back to the old me. Oh my God. I'll tell you this too. The little life drain shit that Sion was doing worked out kind of funny because that was just a free action for me to hit him again with the stun lock and then snipe him again. So he was net losing on the life drain

because it's like you use that action to stunlock Atten. Right. But Atten just headshotted you with a charic from like 30 meters. So, and like, if he just tried to fight you, he probably would have won. If he just tried to, like, actually do damage, damage to you. Yeah. Well, that's why he ain't that great. So, wait, do we want to suffer ourselves and watch the Brianna versus Vsos thing before we leave this zone?

I haven't seen this. This is fresh. I'm very worried. I think this is going to be bad. Let's find out. How bad could it be? How bad could it be? Three, two, one, go.

Fisas, why do you look like that? Hamid, why do you even gun? A shth stalking amongst the Sith. Your kind fear each other. Betrayers and murderers all. Sister of the Achani, you must listen to me. Crea is using your feeling again. Be silent.

I have listened to you, corrupt others. The exile with your words. I have seen you erode his will bit by bit over our journey until he echoes your corruption and because of you I have lost one for whom I cared deeply. You must listen to me. No.

There will be no more words between us. Okay. So we failed the Bechdel test. That's so true. Well, yeah, I would say only if it's a guy and the answer is yes, the scene only happens if it's a guy. So yes, yes.

Check out, did y'all notice? Did you notice what dark side visors has going on she has the lip the black widow lip she got the all black with the red line all right i fuck with that i don't know why this person's handmaiden it looks like a stormtrooper though with the with the hand has the rifle that's why fascism's been on the rise for a long time okay fair enough are they both um in that clip they're both uh light Not this is dark this is dark Vsauce that's hence the lip Hence the this is Yeah everybody else gets ugly face right yeah she just gets cooler

Yeah cooler lip yeah and she's like a little a little faded a little pale And we don't really get a close up on handmaiden here so oh well So is the is the outcome then because Vsau would be at the is at the end right Is handmaiden also? potentially at the end here? Yeah, yeah, they're all there. Oh, okay.

I guess if this happens, I don't know. I don't know what happens if, like, I don't know if at the end of that, if one of them, wait, none of you got the Atten disciple scene, right? Or did, Allie, did you get it? No. Okay. So, yeah, I don't know. Does disciple just not show up at the end?

I truly don't know. I mean, he didn't show up for me. Wait, is he not there? He's not there in prison? You don't save him in prison? I saved him in prison, but there's no, after that, I don't see him again. Oh, yeah, nobody does. Because Mandelaar just, like, leads everybody out.

That's the way that that ends for everybody. It's like, that whole prison crew doesn't ever show up again, except for, and Atten's not there, because Atten isn't in the prison. But Vsau's, I see again. Right, because she gets captured by Crea when she jumps, when she tries to fight Crea, like the disciple did for you. Right? When did she try and fight Crea? She tries to fight Cray in that same group. And Vsas is like, you know, even with your sight, you saw, you know, you should have seen more.

Yeah, but then she goes to jail and then you free her. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. And then they all run away with her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I'm saying of that group of people that you free, the only person I ever saw again was Vsauce. When did you see Vsos again? At the very end of the game. She's the last person I talked to at the end of the game.

Wait, really? What? Yeah. Hang on. Hang on. No, Atten was dead. That's true. No, because it did.

Wait, so you didn't see him on the ground at the end? He is the death scene. No. No, I didn't get that. He was fucking dead. He was dead in the other room. So, wait, you've even seen Atton die at the end of this game? No.

He got killed by Sion. No, that's not when he dies. I saw how Sion kills him. That's not him dying. He shows up at the very end. Not for me. ground okay well okay we talk to

and then it literally cuts to credits like that is how the game ends that's not what happened to me I okay I promise I swear he was not there that's why I sent this link in the chat because I was like look at this thing that didn't happen in me

I see you've now seen this we don't need to show this him dead on the ground the listener wants to see. This is the very end. We just get rid of all the side character stuff now

so that we can just go forward. Three, two. Okay, Aton is dead on the ground. Cray has just died. You're like walking to a pathway out of the central core of Malicorn. Three, two, one, go. This is a female exile.

You're alive. Did I save you yet? The exile says, I don't have lost a lot of blood. I just cold read. That bad, huh? Always was ugly. Now the outside matches.

Was waiting for this, but... He was always ugly. Inside. Let you down. Oh. Was supposed to save you. Uh, there's two lines about how, yeah, it's... Tired of living anyway. Too many deaths.

Never told you. Lied to you. Presumably, I never told you I loved you. I don't want you to see me like this. I don't want to die in front of you. You can't bear it. Oh, I'm so glad this didn't happen to me. Loved you from the moment I first saw you.

Thought you were a dream. Meant every word. You didn't get this? No. Tried to play it off as a joke. Wasn't funny. It hurts when I laugh. Harts.

And then he dies. And then credits it. I guess, no, then Malichor happens, right? Then the end of Malichael then Malichore breaks apart for you. Or it zooms out if you're dark-sided, gas and then credit. God, that's exactly what I wrote in my crushes senior year

year book. So wait, what's the Nesas ending? Well, I feel like You ever seen Thelman Louise? Okay. Ves says

you're leaving. I would come with you. And why didn't I get this? Why did I get this? I don't know. And I said to her, where I go, I cannot take anyone I care for. So you must remain, for others will come. Vesaw says others.

Oh. And I said, yes, others will come. And you must train them until they are ready to pass on to the next war. And Vesaw says, I will do as you ask. If it is important to you, I shall see it through. Your journey. Will you return? Then you just walk out and say nothing in its credits.

Owned. Jeez. Yeah. That's brutal. Yeah. But I think it does, it did reinforce the idea for the same feeling that Rob was kind of articulating at the beginning of this conversation. Yeah. Yeah.

We're waiting. We're all setting up for the next thing. For Revin. We're going to the next war. The Revent. I see. This really put me in the same place as well. All right.

Here's the other at an ending. Three, two, one. need any company I mean God I'm not doing anything besides if I'm not around to bail you out of trouble who knows what could happen all right then

where are we going again I mean because last time we were heading towards this mining colony on the edge of space and there was this Sith Lord and insane also I have to tell you that's not true

we were not heading to a mining colony on the edge of space I woke up there in the medical bay and you were arrested you were already there in prison what are you talking about he's he is on another planet i have no idea what is going on in his fucking head he has been playing a different game this whole time he has been playing a different game i mean that's true to be fair craa has been in there in his mind pulling on on levers and shit who knows what he thinks what's happening real ratatooey situation real ratatooey situation in there right

I think that's it for the side characters. Yes, at least until we get to Kraya giving us the one-liners on how they all ended up. Did everyone save their allies? I did see what would happen. You didn't save them? I went last one. I should have gone right, I guess. You didn't come back around and just find them?

Dude, I ran across Sion and there was an exit to the level and I was like, I'm not going through the other half of his prison. I'm getting the fuck out of here. Wait, does that mean? Yeah, dude. You killed them all.

You blew up your friends. Which I guess means the end of the Jedi order. So that's cool. Well, that's why. Oh, Atten. So it's the Atten. No wonder things went bad. Only Atten was out to reform the Jedi order.

And then does Kringa tell you about their futures or whatever? Yes. She just won't. Okay, that means someone must have broken out. And rescued them from the cells just out of frame. Okay. She's on screen.

Hey, we have a custom animation for me where I sort of lean against a pillar. So that's so funny. Yeah, I mean, no, so I didn't rescue anybody. Instead, I just fought through room after room after room full of Sif. And the game's just showering me in loot, this vaguely like more Jedi themed. Like, I got, is this no-me's,

Nomi Sunwriters. Yeah. I got it three times, dude. I have like 12 X-Arcun. Now listen. Yeah. I don't think I'm getting the certificate of authenticity. Now wait a second, though.

You have to remember something. People do own more than one outfit. So yes, on one hand, it's goofy to be like... Austin trying to sell a bogus relic in 300. It didn't say her right hand. A Sith can have two shrouds. A Sith can have two shrouds. Of course you can.

It's on her burial. shroud. It's the robe she wore on Tuesday. They got a bunch of them shroud. That's right. Why is it here in the Trajas Academy? Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. I'll say that. You know, maybe she

was going some places she shouldn't have gone to. Maybe she was a Darth Trey. You ever think about that? She got the call. She got the call. She heard the beacon. This is also where if you do rescue them I think she's not true because Rob, it's on the other side, isn't it? The powerful crystal. the zoom in on the crystal.

No, wait, I did get a, I did get a big powerful crystal. That's on the other, that's on the opposite side of the facilities. You got the crystal, but you didn't save them. And if you could only do one or the other, that would make sense in terms of the like, oh, you have to choose your path. But you don't have to. You have like reunions with them? Are they like, oh, my goodness, you're here?

It's so stupid. It's like nothing. It's like nothing. It's nothing. It's Mandelor. I just want to say this first because if it's the, The game is like going to spin on the like morality scale of this. And to come to the end of it and have two options be either press button to save everybody or press button to gas it everybody.

What? Like what are we doing here actually really? Classic twisted Sith move. There's not even dialogue for it. There's not even, you don't even loot their bodies. Like it doesn't make any sense. It really feels like a like a, uh, Hey, wouldn't it be funny if we put it in so you could kill all of your friends?

And here's the real one. Did you anybody do it and look out what the result is? You just get dark side points. And not that many. You get like, you're not, I was still deep in the blue, deep, deep, deep up the very top of the blue when I tried it. So like, it's, that should be instant Sith mode. It should be. Yeah.

Which it doesn't, you know. That's like your final chance. to switch your alliance if you so choose. Exactly. Yeah. And that was there at launch. So, and that really like stinks of we need the one more big dark side thing to do. It's so stupid.

Yeah, it's just. Wait, did you do that, Ali? There's no more dark side checks left. Okay. No, there aren't. Well, no, there's one. It's which ending you get. Does the, does the Ebbin-hawk fly away from Malichor as it blows up or does it just stay there?

And that's it. So if you're like, I really want Malicorn not to blow up, you have. Right, right. But in terms of like the game checking your light side, dark side meter. That's the only thing. If you somehow got here neutral, killing all of your friends would get you, you know, Malacor video 16 instead of 15. That is.

But you don't get light side points. We're saving them. You want fucking light side points? You're getting your friends out of jail? Okay. If I'm evil, yeah. Oh, I see. That's what I mean in terms of it being like an alliance, like an allegiance swap.

Yeah. That's the only, that's the way I see this making sense to me as in being here at the end of the game. It's like, this is your final chance to change everything. Right. If you so desire. But I don't know. What do I know? Yeah, it's really disappointing.

Mandelor is like, you have to stop the Sith. You have to stop them. If they destroy the Jedi, the Republic will fall and my people will be eradicated or enslaved. And the exile is like, I'll take care of it. You escort everyone out of here. And then Mandelor drops like random lore and says, I've actually never been here before. Yeah. So stupid.

I don't know where this came from. Because the whole game makes it sound like there was a ground fight here. And also, you find Jedi corpses on this planet. So many. Were they just chilling? Because he's like, well, the Mandalorians don't ever go down on the Plitz taboo for some reason. Why? I just like to like set like to literally put a ball on the T-ball stand for Mandelor and be like, I really am counting on you man.

Man, man, could you bring everybody out of here because you know this? he's like actually man I don't really know I don't know how to get out of here like what the fuck is this writing all he had to do is be like of course I remember when I escaped here the first time here's a little short story about the time how sick it was that's what I did in the last game remember no instead he just gets I I it feels like they ordered that he had to be in this game and they were like yeah fine sure yeah yeah yeah we'll put him in don't worry you'll never see his face did you see by the way did I show you this picture of what he looks like under the helmet.

I did I only put it in the let's play? I think I only put it in the match. I think you shared it with us at one point. How did you get it? Wait, how did you see him without the helmet? It's, it's like in the game files. Oh, you just, yeah, data mine. Oh.

Yeah, I'll pull it up for a second because it's sick. This is the, this is who they kept from us. This is who they refused to let us have both both visually and then also, I think, figuratively. This is the candorous we should have gotten. Whoa. Fucking big beard candorous. That's that's Zaddy candorous.

That's Zaddy candorous. Yep. With the salt and we were denied him. With the salt and pepper at everything. Scrumptious. Too delectable of a meal to be served to us as poor, poor. They couldn't figure out how to make his story intersect with a woman being choked there. Right, yeah, naturally.

He's never spoken. I mean, I'm pretty sure Revin was the only woman he has ever spoken to in his life. Is Mere the only Mandalorian-related woman we've ever met in one of these games? And like really only, she's a slave. She's a Mandalorian slave. I think, yeah. There are Mandalorian women. We've seen them in the Mandalorian.

They exist in the fiction. But, like, in these games. At this point, yeah. I don't think we've heard anyone with. with a Mandalorian accent who's a woman. No, besides the little girl in Cotor 1. Oh, right. Which girl?

The stowaway. Oh. You can't understand because she could only talk Mandalorian and like a mix of her own culture's language or something. Yeah. That's right. I remember that now. What if that was Mira? Okay.

They do gesture at her having like a true father who was here. remember like that's what craya says when they fight she's like like your true father or something and I'm like who are you talking I don't know who you're talking about anyway we get through that you free the people or you don't you fight cyan you beat cyan we've talked about that and then it's cryatine baby um can I just say that uh literal last thing is that when Darth Zion kills Atten He says Something

Really Awesome to him Which is that Atten Loses the fight And starts to And is like fucked up

And Sion lifts him up by the neck physically And goes I will remake you So when I look upon you It shall be like a mirror then I shall let you die.

And then Atten's like... And then Ryan Liz is like, I don't like the sound of this. Science coming up. Science put numbers on the board. So my takeaway from the sign fight is like it was the better version of Malik's sendoff in the previous game. Where it is like complete reduction to nothingness

by the end. Like at the end, Zion is, sort of the light side approach, it's like, hey man, what's been the point of this? Yeah. Like, you wanted all this power, but you're a follower. So you have no will. You have, all you can do is not die. But you have no power.

You have no will. You have no interest in overthrowing. You have no ambition. What do you want from the world? Right. You're just tormented. There's nothing. And so you're, the whole arc really is like getting this.

character to accept death, right? Everything he's done is sort of stave off that inevitability. And so the whole conversation is kind of a sort of force, like, release from the burden of existence for, for Sion. It's really, really well written, really well acted. It is a good, it is a good payoff for this character. There's more character there than there is with, you know, Nileus. Yeah. But even, there's, like, this guy's a pathetic character. This is the thing that, like, is so fascinating to me about this game is one of the many things, obviously. This game clearly we worked my brain in ways good and bad. But Malik is in Kotor 1 nonstop.

He is blowing up the planets. He's talking to his admiral. He is in all the flashbacks with Revin. You fight him on his ship in the middle of the game where he kidnaps Bastila. He's all over that game. He sucks and he's boring and he doesn't have any ideology or any personality. He doesn't have like a, all he is is a guy with a metal jaw who used to be Revin's guy and now wants to take over the galaxy because he's a bad guy.

Nylis and Sion are barely in this game. Barely in this game. And admittedly, Nylis shows up, both of them show up for scenes where they're either beat up an old woman or choking Vsauce. Those are the two things that we get from them. And then, like, I guess he is also like, whatever, Tobin, Colonel Tobin also gets choked, to be fair. Nylis just choked Tobin. But, like, barely there, but conceptually so powerful.

And they echo out into other characters in so many ways that when they do show up, and maybe it's because there is so little of them in the game, they are able to, like, be big, mysterious and interesting. And then, like, part of the great thing with Nialis is that he ends up just being a guy who you get to kill. And then you get the stuff with Vsos. But, like, I don't know. No, no, like, Kotor is a much cleaner, smoother experience all the way through. I do not care about the Kotor 1 story. I care about its characters.

I care about candorous. I care about candorous. I care about Revin. T3. T3. Jolie Bindo. Jolie Bindo. You know.

I have to shout out. I was going through the, the, the, a, ab. Obsidian forums. Oh, yeah. Sort by oldest for Cotor 2. And I found a, a forum thread that was like, Jolie and Cotor 2, question mark, question mark, question mark. And I was just like, you get it. You got it in 2004, and hopefully you still get it now.

Well, hopefully Jolie's robe was a sad. satisfying enough resolution. Jolie Bindo knew better than to come to Cotor 2. Jolie Bindo said, go back to the game of your youth. Do not. You don't want to be here. You don't want to be out here. You better learn to like it. Said Jolie Bindo, you don't want to be out here. Jolie is off-living his best life in my mind. You should have been able to ask Cray of that.

You should have had the list of everybody else And then at the end You should be able to like What about that guy whose robes I found? Is he doing okay? Honestly, In this story, be with me on this.

I'm with you. I'm ready to be with you on this. I see you, Rob. Jolie can't be in this story the way Tom Bombadil can't deal with the one ring. Because the energy he brings in Cotaur 1, which is necessary for Cotor 1

is kryptonite to this. because like you'll have cray and the Jedi Council being like what we saw on you could be the death of the force. And Joe Lee would just be like lighting up. He'd be like, nah, I don't see it like that. Yeah. Like the death of the end of all things, probably not. Things have a way of continuing whether you want them to or not. The death of the force for how long?

How long? Which death is this going to be? Because there's been a few deaths of the force already. History is long. forgot. You forgot that the fourth died, you know, 10,000 years ago and 5,000 years ago. It's going to find a way back. Though actually, this is, I think, where Kraya ends up also in the end of it all. So I think the two of them might, I think they might have a little, a little something. I think he would infuriate her so much. I have to see if anyone's written this.

One second. Let me just see. Jolie Bindo Krea. Enemies to friends, to lovers. I think this exists. I think this is, yeah. Okay, I'm not simply gonna, there is a, I haven't read this fick. It's called I go by Crea now, and it's a Crea and Jolie Bindo fick.

I need to know. I need to read this later. Okay. Anyway. Save that for us. I'll save that for us. Well, hang on, were you on A.O.3? I was on A.O.3.

Given the era, fanfiction. on that might be more fruitful fruitful, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right,

you're totally for these leach interests. I'm not going to check it like. For the research. Yeah. But later. I just think like Jolie's energy

is dangerous to the stakes of the story. He deflates the stakes. That's what he, he's a deflationary character on purpose and this is high melodrama.

High tragedy. and he can't just like slide in. I mean, Atten is kind of trying to do that, but it's not. I think that's partly why it's so grating. Yeah. Because Jolie in some ways is like coming from the perspective, like, this is a guy who's fucking lived.

Like in the backdrop of his story, like the funny, very funny story tells you about the guy who had like a great destiny in the force. It is an older man telling a story about someone who seemed very significant to Jolie as a young man, right? Like, it is like the way these things have played out. Like Jolie has earned that sort of irreverence and hard one knowledge. At never fully sells you on it.

And his tragic backstory is just frankly, like, again, because of delivery, is just less affecting than Jolie's. Jolie Bindo. I never thought I'd see you again. A soft voice said from the shadows. It's, and it's Craya's voice. I'm just saying this.

This is on fanfiction. Anyway. This conversation happens before the fight, and then you fight her twice and then you get another conversation and then it's over. That is the structure of this. I love that even,

even in the final moments of this game, you can just ask 200 questions in the middle of fighting someone to the death. That's incredible. Yep. You show up and you're like, I got a lot of questions. She's like, yeah, I bet. I bet you do. Did anybody else try to save her?

Does anybody else say, I can save you? No, I've been shaking the head. Al, you're not on camera. I'm guessing you're shaking your head and being like, why would you ever say that? I am not capable of that She said I have thought of this moment more than you know

And wondered if here This ending between us If you would care enough to try to save me If a Jedi could find it within themselves To spare one who has fallen so far I wanted you to say these words For that I am grateful But I do not want your mercy

I want you to break Crea all time I did I did say I just remember saying that to me now. Okay, good. Crea.

Oh, Crea. Crea. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Like, just to come to the end of this, like, I mean, obviously, you know, I was waiting for the shoe to drop on Crea for a long time because I was, like, wondering how the game would handle you being manipulated by a woman the entire time.

And obviously, the game. me a lot of reason to have anxiety about the way that the writer's team would would would change that but to have it just like be this sort of sad downbeat of like I expected all of these things from you I was hurt in such a way that like I needed to watch you do the things that I believe that you are capable of because I did not think that any other force in the galaxy was capable of the things that you are and to even have that part of it to be like this is the reason why I love you and also like to have like to be to do the like I'm a video game protagonist I'm going to say the thing I'm going to say at the end of it all even though you're you're wearing the you found the

black lipstick you found your old like you went back to your Sith closet and your decked out and all the black um I am going to save you here and to have her just be like I really want to hear this from you, but no, is so powerful. It feels so good. It's really good. They did not, I think that they did not miss the landing on the relationship between you and Crea all the way through to the end. You know, Rob, I hear your complaints about the way how much of this ends up being Revin-focused and forward-looking. But I think the stuff that is about this game pretty much all hits. And yeah, the you are beautiful to me exile,

a dead spot in the force, an emptiness in which its will might be denied. Hoo! Hoo! There's no great secret. There's only you. Again and again, it is, it's bangers throughout this conversation.

Yeah. And it is... It's a real one. Yeah, and there's no... You know, says as much. She's like, were you waiting for some great surprise, some grand revelation? Like, there isn't one. There's just you. You're the, you're it. Like, you, by now you should know, there's a real, um, you know, they say that when you get to the end of your PhD program, when you get

to your studies, you've written your dissertation and you have to go defend it in front of your committee, they won't let you go to defend it unless you're ready to succeed. No one should let you go through the defense unless they're confident you will pass the defense. You shouldn't get like, go, normally what happens is you defend your PhD thesis, your dissertation, and then they give you notes on things that they need you to, like, go do to it to make sure that it's like as good as it can be, and then they give you the thumbs up. That's like the normal standard practice. This feels a lot like that, where she's like, yeah, like, you've come to me, I've put you

through the ringer, you're the person you're supposed to be now. You have it all already. It's all in there, you know? And there isn't really, I think this is interesting. I guess you can. You can be like, I'm here to kill you, right? But even there, it's not like, she doesn't ever, at this point, she's not like, you disappointed me again. I think that that's just like not available so much, you know?

I think that you've, in arriving, have completed the Traus Academy program, study program. And then, yeah, the answers are the things that we already kind of talked about. Atris is, was manipulated, you know, and was kind of positioned as someone for you to resolve your relationship with. She's mad at the force having a will. She hates that the force is willing to kill people to create balance in the force, which is, I think is kind of interesting because we kind of actually got that embodied in a different character recently. which is Godo. Godot's whole thing is like, we can't let the Sith Academy fall because if the Sith Academy falls, then the Sith teachings will disappear and there will be a Sith to balance out the Jedi. And I think Cray is like, fuck off in that way, right? Like, I think

that there's like a balance shouldn't be the thing, or the forces idea of balance, especially shouldn't be the vision by which we try to uphold ourselves. And then, and then gives us the sort of like, it's, you know, what happens now is that it's time to, the student has to overcome the master. Student has to kill the master and, and then we'll see what happens from here, you know. So no matter what Krea does die here. There is no saving Kraya, correct.

There's no bringing her back. There is no convincing her to keep living. You know, she- With the point of all those persuade points. I know. Yeah, well, making Sion want to die, I guess. but you can just do that by fighting that was a layup. Yeah.

You know who I'm thinking of in this moment? That guy on the GamePax forums that was like, I know Kray is my boss, but I don't understand why she's disappointed me in this moment. I wonder if they got to the end of the game and Kray said, I love you and they were like, oh, okay. Yes, 100%. That was the pat on the head they needed the whole time.

Uh-huh. Yeah. I have like a more logistical question. Which is annoying. How come we don't die when we kill Kraya if we are bonded? Great question. Because the whole time we're going around and asking people, do you know, do you know, do you know how this bond can be severed? And everyone was like, whoa, never heard of one of those.

Sounds pretty complicated. Yep. Maybe there's a way. Well, do you remember how she describes it when you first get it with her? No, but will you tell me? That was like six months ago. She's like, it might even be the case that if I die, you die. That's what I thought.

What does she say? She says, it might even be the case. It could be. What else did she say? Right. But then we, but then she goes into a hole and is like, oh, but if you don't come here, I'm going to kill myself and you're going to die. Right? And what do you do?

We come. You come. Why did you trust that she was? was right about this. Why did you ever believe? We got manipulated. We got manipulated. Damn. She didn't manipulated us. She's been manipulating us this whole time.

Lies. Lies, lies, lies. Was it ever the case that if she died in combat, you would die? First of all, she never died in combat. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. I kept, I don't believe that's the case. I think that this is another manipulation. I think, but who knows?

maybe she also freed herself from this mortal coil in the fire who the fuck knows right that would actually be an epic way to uh poke the hole in her logic though to like be a player and crea die and you're and you think that you're gonna die now and you're still standing and you're like wait maybe this bond isn't everything like isn't everything crea is saying totally maybe vsas and co are right when they're like we're following you because we want to follow you and not because the four is making us do that, you know? Or maybe she would stab herself and you would die.

You know, who knows? I guess we'll never know. We'll never know. I guess we'll never know. Is it time to talk about the outcomes for everybody else? I guess we should say you fight her and then you fight her big three floating lightsaber. She summons three purple lightsabers, which are, which Allie and Natalie, I spoiled you on. Did you even notice it in the funco pop?

Did you see them in the funco pop? Okay. I did, but like I was just like, oh, cool. Funko pop shit. Funko pop shit. Yeah. I also have three lightsabers. I've got like 20 lightsabers in my bag right now.

That's because I have poor in real life. Yeah. Oh, you met in real life. Yeah. Wait, Rob, who's lightsabers do you have? Well, obviously, there's the one I constructed at the lightsaber workshop. workshop where I receive the wisdom of Yoda naturally and then I have Calcestis as

lightsaber it's a really good model okay it really is it's cool I love it and isn't that one customizable too in the game it is like a second part yeah yeah and then I have Duku's lightsaber oh cool that one awesome that one's yeah okay That one's, yeah, of course. Okay. Sorry. I just had to, I had to bring that to attention.

Yeah. I guess I skipped past this, but it is worth saying that, you know, you're like, you manipulated me. And she explicitly said, like, yes, I use you to keep the Lords of the Sith from condemning the galaxy to death. I use you to lure them to Tilos. I use you to reveal Atrice's corruption so that her teaching could be ended. There's like, I think there's something funny about her, interesting about her,

which is like, she is the big. She's reeling you in with the I hate the force. I hate the force. I want to destroy the force. But she also has lots of very particular, very material, lowercase eye ideological beefs where she's like, I think this particular version of Jedi dogma sucks. I think this particular vision of Sith and Sith teaching sucks. I think it sucks that there can be someone who's immortal like cyan.

I think it sucks that there's someone who could eat the force like Nylos. I think that, like, she has very particular lowercase beliefs on top of the big philosophical complaint that she has about the force. I also love that you can be like, and yet you use the force. And she's like, yeah, dude. Like, yes, I use the force. The way someone who wants to study poison might use poison sometimes, which is a very funny comparison, but I get it.

You know, sometimes you want to study something to develop an antidote. You got to know how it works, right? And she also says, like, and I'm, like, can you blame an old woman for, like, for, you keeping in, yeah, old ways. She's like, perhaps these are the excuses of an old woman who's going to rely on a thing she despises, which again is this really human thing of being like, I don't know, man, or maybe I'm just hypocritical. Maybe I'm just a hypocrite, okay? That doesn't win you the fight with me.

Sometimes you have to deal with a hypocrite. Yeah, I love that part. Then you do. Then you fight her. Then you fight her lightsabers. And then you could be like, what's up? What's next? And she gives you the...

And she says... She gives you the three options that, Rob, you, I suspect, I'm guessing, based on our conversations before we recorded, thought would be like Mass Effect 3 style. Go to one of these podiums and hit a button to get a special cutscene ending for each of them. Which are... Go off into the dark and become an exile again, cutting off all of your force bonds, become a leader of a new force school, and three following Reven into the dark. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And she says all of them are the right choice.

You can do any of them. She says there's no dishonor in any of them. Just make the choice and don't regret it. Okay. Okay. Okay. What do you think your Revin did? Based on my last conversation with Vsauce, I went into the outer, the uncharted territory.

Right. And, yeah, departed this place. That's my choice. Rob, what did your, what did your guy do in your mind? I didn't love any of those options. Honestly, I was like, I don't know that any of these quite sound right. I guess, lightsight exile is convincingly a teacher, right? Especially your options in dialogue get increasing.

like capable of rising to the moment as the story goes along that there are things now your character does have to say and offer to people uh at sort of key moments that are not just parading jedi dogma i do like the game has like an integrity around this where the Jedi are not they did not rise to this moment they're they're disappointing what when you find them your character has a different relationship with morality, with what, I guess the way I would put it, I think this is sort of Cray is getting at when she says, whatever you do, do it without regret.

The Jedi order that we see is incredibly dogmatic. It is about sort of compliance with the will of the force as interpreted by the institution. And what your exile increasingly says is they go along is like, no, what I'm telling people to do is be authentic to themselves. To be true to what they know is the decision they have to make. So I do think convincingly I could see the exile being this kind of teacher figure.

But so much the game is sort of saying he won't be because your party are the apostles that are going to go forth in the world. And that is your school. The school was the Evan Hawk. Right. You've already taught them in a sense. Everything is pointing toward the outer rim in the story. Yeah.

Yeah. Unfortunately, we do have a, we do have a legends canon story, which we'll get to it. At some point in the distant future, as we read about whatever happened to Revin one day. Allie, did your, what's your, what's your, I almost said the fucking legend's name. I always said, what's your Mietra Sirich do, which is not your character's name. And not my hol-of-or-resterich. Or all. No.

I don't know. It's tough. I feel like I have such a, the like, whatever you do do it without regret thing, I feel like is such like, I don't know that my exile can escape the feeling of regret. Like, there was just like such. There was no, again, there was not like a real ideology that came through for her besides like, I am being stringed along by this thing. And I don't really know how to control my emotions.

or what I am doing in the galaxy. I think, you know, I think the sort of like, I am going to stay here and die with Malicorn is such a cute, like, like, it just feels like a fine sort of bow on it. I think especially when you do the like, I'm going to stay here with you at and thing. Like, you know, be quiet. You're fine.

We're both going to be, we're both going to get out of here. And then neither of you do. Or, you know, just like go to the outer room and like open a repair shop with, Theodore. That sounds pretty good. That sounds pretty good. Cray, I couldn't see your future, but I can, buddy. Yeah.

I should say that the, the canon thing here, the Legends canon thing here, is like completely immediately off to its own races because it's like, well, none of the conservative members of the Jedi Order really liked the exile after all this. It's like, what conservative, what are you talking about?

They're all dead. Yeah. So we. immediately are in the wilderness because the state of play that this game leaves is not one that I think the rest of the Star Wars continuity was excited to leave with.

Because even Krea, like, if you don't kill the masters, it's not like they live with a grudge. Kraya takes care of them, right? That's so true. And then like the disciple fucks with you, the handmaid and fucks with you, like... Mm-hmm. I don't know. Well, let me tell you,

I've been reading the old, I've been reading Star Wars the Old Republic Revin, and it turns out there are still other Jedi around. There's always other fucking Jedi. I believe even the exile has to go like finish their training, her training in the middle of that book is like an event that happens, which is just like, I don't know. Anyway, for what it's worth, I think right guy is big teacher mode. So like you rub.

So no matter what, even if you're light side, the you, the choice is to stay on. on Malacor specifically. That's right. Well, it's to, yeah, you, the way she... This is where I start getting deeply confused. What she says is, it's your choice. I had hoped you would follow Reven's path,

but you and Revan are different. Your path is your own. You may take one of the ships that orbit Malacor and depart this place, or you may remain here on Malacor and wait for the others, those touched by the force who will come in time, or you may return to your exile

where your presence will no longer affect the actions of others. There is no dishonor in any of these choices. I only ask that you make the choice without regret. Which again, I didn't even get this dialogue because I said something else and so it didn't even pop up. But yes, Rob, you're saying mandala or malacore, not a cool place. Well, not just that, but like, so I was starting to pick up some of what she's talking about, there's always a Darth Trea. I will stay here and I will like guide other Jedi who come to me She says that that's what she did do. She doesn't say she's going to do that.

She says, because I have to double-check this, and we talked about this briefly earlier. She says in here that, like, what I did was stay here to guide others in the past. I don't think she has any vision of staying. She wants you to kill her here and overcome her, you know. I'll try to find the exact line. I had it earlier, but I've since, obviously, lost it.

But yeah, I'm 90% sure. I can't find it exactly what the phrasing is. But she says that like she served as a guide. I think in the past, Rob. I don't think she says anything about like, I will remain here going forward. Which would be, if she does say that and I miss that, that is very weird.

Admittedly, that is very strange. So, but instead, you beat her. And she says, before I keel over a die, you any questions? Any final questions? Yeah, do you want the epilogue on everyone? Yeah, do you want the epilogue on everyone and everywhere you've been? I can see, because I can see the future. And she runs through it.

And these are actually wildly different between light side and dark side. It's true. And some of the dark side options seem better in some cases, which is interesting. It is. I don't think we have to go line by line on this, but high level, maybe we go through them all? Yeah, I mean, I think it's funny that

that Crea owns you one more time and is like, you're gonna ask me about them, you still don't know these guys. Like you've been traveling with them for six months now and you still don't know them. But yeah, she describes them as the Lost Jedi. the true Jedi upon which the future will be built. Basically,

Mandelor and the Mandalorians are going to keep on fighting. They're going to fight for Revin. That's the only one that doesn't really change, right? Is Mandelor? There isn't a dark side, light side difference, I don't think, right? No, there is not, yeah. So, and that the Mandalorians are going to die a death that will last a millennia. And that they will

All that will be left of them is their show The shell of their armor Upon a shell of a man Too easily slain by Jedi Rip to Django Fet Rip to Boba Fett Hey Boba Fett dweaves

Yeah Rip Like your losers Your king is a loser Hey Dave Filoni Hey Dave Filoni Not that shit off. The last word on the Mandalorians was already written.

The entire death that will last millennia is fucking wild. Yeah. It's such a good lie. And you see, and again, I love it too because it always, it dovetails with my deep dissatisfaction with the whole like, we have to make this more about the Mandalorians. And I kind of like the notion of a violent warlike people who swept across the Galerian. and are now increasingly like just living, like the Spartans really, right? More and more debased versions of that, like ancient glory.

Yeah. True. That shit. True. Vesos is going to stay here on the planet for me. I see. Sorry, I just realized this. I was like, why are you skipping Mira?

And it's because Mira is fucking dead for you. Mera died Like the first one I ask about Mere's the first option As light sided Or if you have Mira I guess Because Al you're darksided You're darksided and have Mira

Right I was still neutral And had Mera Okay remember I didn't get So this is why I think Like Mir is kind of a special one In the story I didn't get Jedi Mira She never became Jedi for me

But the story But very Cray is very clear She's gonna be a great Jedi Like her path is set she will be a Jedi and she's going to be walking your path. That's funny. Interesting. Even though you didn't actually get

the Jedi, that makes sense as to why. Earlier you were like, they make Mira seem so big. I'm like, why? What are you talking about? To me, I'm like, yeah, she's one or more of my Jedi. Yeah, that makes sense. No, she was going to be a Jedi. Like, whether or not you made her a Jedi, like there is, the game, I think, is saying a lot.

Like, there's an intrinsic. Right. There is an intrinsic, like, she's a natural Jedi. We knew that, right? Because even when we talked to her, she was like, ah, there's something about Narsia. I can just feel everybody's stuff. And you could be like, yeah, that's the force. And she'll be like, no, I don't think so.

Allie? Whenever I talked to Mirr, she was like, do you stop talking to me, you old bitch? And I was like, okay, man. I never got the influence with her. And she was always like, yeah, we don't have to be friends. I'm just going to chill here. just so to have so much of this finale and like revolve around Mira

I was like all right man That's so funny The darks So yeah the light side ending for her is like She's gonna stop hunting life She's gonna live life She's not born to be a predator She's gonna continue to walk with the

You know the The energy you gave her With the way that you've woken her to life To what life is This is also where she says She was not born to be a predator Despite her true father and the life she led within the shadow of Narshada.

And I was like her true father. Who was it? Who is it? Who was it? I don't know. Do you know? I don't know. I don't know that anyone has ever known.

It's, I did a search for this. Somebody's so annoying. The only person who I can think of is like, is it. Mandel? Is it Mandelor? Exactly. This is the only thing I can think of is, is, yeah. She says her whole family.

were sort of press game by the Mandalorians, right? That's their thing. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't. Let me tell you something. We don't care. We don't care.

We don't care. And then the dark side version of it is like, she's even more of a predator than ever. She's going to fight forever and she's going to die on Ord Mantel. And the people who kill her are going to be like proud of it. And there's going to be a badge for the badge of honor for her killer. before they meet their ends too. So she gets like the most basic version of this, I think, of the set.

Because, yeah, I guess Vsas pretty much the same thing where the dark side version of it is like, and she's evil now. She, well, what's interesting is that the dark side version is that Vsauce's heart has been put to rest and vengeance no longer clouds her sight and she shall be stronger for it. But when I got the dark side level up on the Ravager, it was like, Vsauce is so vengeful now. Like her vengeance is real. Then she got the vengeance. Yeah.

Because she killed because, yeah. Maybe it's chill now. Nylist died. Maybe with that, it's all good. Maybe this is the world's first pro revenge game. That's the stuff that George Lucas couldn't abide. This is, no, no. And after you kill your enemy, then you just have to start killing other friends.

So like no good reason because you're like dark-sighted now. And here's a obsidian being like, what if you just really got your hate on? And you fucking took it out on a guy that you really despised. Who sucks, by the way? And then you were right as rain. Yeah. You're all good. Wow.

And you got and you became a teacher. Yeah. Is it different for Lightside or is it pretty much the same? She goes back home. She's like she sees the world the way that she's, she saw you because now she can you know she looked at you upon you sorry this is if you're a guy actually don't think it's the same if you're playing as a woman but because it really emphasizes the like and where you follow reven's path you know you can't take her where you're destined you must

not take anyone you love oh it says that about the fucking disciple for us that's a shame that's a shame i didn't even ask about him so i don't know what she had oh well get ready because it's wild. That's everything. I simply, I simply don't agree. Oh, if you go, if you fight the evil Oh yeah. I'm with you. I'm bringing. No, I'm bringing my boo. Yeah. And I'm bringing all my boys. Fucking getting the car losers. Yeah. Fucking going to fight the darkness at the beyond the outer rim. Why do you think Raven left us this van? Yeah, dude. Basel and Carth, hop in. Let's roll. Yeah. Even Carth, you come on, come on. Go play cards at the ad and you'll chill. It'll be fine. I'll wind a little bit.

Someone make him a drink. Yeah, there's like very little there. The disciples is actually maybe the most interesting. She says, He cannot help but love you in his way. It is a pure ideal love he holds, yet somehow it never dulls in your presence or through your actions.

If he leaves this place, he will leave the galaxy behind him. He will sit upon the new counsel reluctantly, as all good men do, and he will not forget the Jedi who had lost the force, yet showed him the way to reclaim it. After that, I do not know. I do know that you must leave him behind, the same choice that Revin made,

where you are destined, you must not take anyone you love. Skipping that last part, because I don't even want to acknowledge such a false fucking statement. Yeah. How dare you, you pretend to know me. You think to know me. You think to know my mind. And you think that I have any love for the disciple.

You're out of your fucking mind. But the notion he'd be reluctant to sit on the Johnny Council. I know. I know. Okay. So does anybody? Has anyone seen the dark side version for him? Oh, no.

It's really good. He's light-sided in mine. Right. You never corrupted him in that way. If he leaves this place, he will leave all that is Jedi behind him at last. A heart can only handle so many betrayals before turning away entirely. He will become a senator on one of the mid-rim worlds and devote himself to the people there. He will be a wise, steady ruler, and he will not call upon the force again.

But his rule will grow to be a cold one, and he will find that the code of the galaxy pales in comparison to the failures of the code of the Jedi. is insane. The idea that if he goes dark-sided, he becomes a politician? Uh-huh. It's so good. It's so good. Yep. It's interesting. This is how libertarianism

gets you. That's right. For guys with the mod, he just, they leave off that he cannot help but love you. In his own way. It's a pure ideal love he holds strengthened by your, that stuff is not there for men. It should be. He does love you. That is who the character is. And like, and she's pretty explicit, like, it's a pure ideal love he holds.

I think that's true. He does love you even as it, like, that's not, yeah, anyway. Yeah, for me, I had the disciple and handmaiden options at the same time. And I was like, obviously, I wouldn't know about the handmaiden. And I either, like, didn't get the disciple one to come up again or I was just like, well, I'm done with this. Yeah, that's fair. The handmade one is interesting, though, that she ends up taking actress's place and, like, becoming a librarian and she, like, doesn't fight anymore. That's interesting.

She becomes the new historian. Good for her. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, not for me. With guys, she's, it's very much like, she'll teach others about the Jedi who is not a Jedi and who trained her to feel the force. And also, you can't go anywhere with her because you might love her. Actually, I don't think I didn't get that line.

I think the game was pretty understanding that I was not down with that with her. For me for the Dark Side Handmaiden, she will seek to forget you in this place and instead give herself fully to battle. She will be the last of the handmaidens no longer, where once she dreamed of the Jedi, she will put such things behind her. the Jedi will always be one she will judge and if she can punish for being human. Damn. All right. Good luck with that.

She's mad at and she's like, for us was like, he's always the fool. Force watches out for him. I feel like it does for the old like me. And I'm like, okay, cool, I guess. That's it. I do kind of like she just can't Her whole view of Aten is just like God loves drunks and fools

And that is all she sees Despite all we now know about him Yeah She just doesn't fuck with him Or maybe she does You think he's also Yeah I think there's a kindness here Because the true Atten is someone he doesn't

Really want to acknowledge being I see. And so I think to an extent, one of the most merciful things she can do to Atten is to pretend to you that he is as he presents himself to me. Right, right. She speaks the truth to Atten and Atten alone really about like the many sins on his on his head. But when you put the question to her, she brushes it off. There's nothing to see here. Natalie, did you have Dark Side Atten or was he still pure? Um, he was dead. So no asking about it. I forgot. She says,

Aton shall keep his murderer's heart. Many deaths shall he calls in the dark corners of the galaxy, always hunting, always finding prey. He shall grow hungry in a galaxy where there are a few Jedi, and it will eventually consume him. But I shall say no more. I feel like you're not allowed to talk about hunger and killing Jedi without it emphasis. Well, it'd be like an echo of nihilus in this game. Yeah. Just call him the new Darth Nihilus, I guess.

That's right. There always must be one, apparently. So wait, that means you also didn't get to ask, did he love me? I did not. Right. Yeah. If he's dark-sided, she says, there is no love left in a heart such as that one, but he would die for you. Yes.

I do not believe one would die lightly for one one did not care about. And if he's not dark-sighted, she says he's a fool and that should answer your questions. He has nothing to offer to one such as you. And even a fool such as Aton is not so ignorant of that fact. And then you can say, and you, or did you love me? Did y'all get this? I did. No.

She says, I would have killed the galaxy to preserve you. I would have let the galaxy die. You are more precious than you know. What you have taught yourself cannot be allowed to die. And if you're dark-sided, she says you are not Sith, not truly. and is for that that I love you. And if you are light side, she says, you are not a Jedi,

not truly, and it is for that that I love you. This is me to my dog every night. Just burying my head and her neck. I love you so much. You're the most perfect creature. There's nothing alive like you. You broke the mold.

You did it. God didn't do it. You broke the mold. She loves you so much. It's unbelievable. I really, I said this in the let's play, but like, I think this game captures something in a certain type of relationship. Sometimes this is a mentorship. Sometimes this is teaching.

Sometimes this is romantic love. Sometimes this is parental love. But there's this thing that you can happen with someone who you love or someone you admire or somebody you're trying to help, which is like, I see in you a thing I cannot be. And that I can see you struggling to become. And I want to be the bridge for you. I want you to get there so bad. Sometimes it is a thing, I think in Craia's vision, she has a vision of the world

that she wants you to inherit and to help shape, that she knows she can't reach. And she knows that Revan couldn't be it. She damn sure knows Sion and Nihilis couldn't do it. But she also knows she just was never going to be the person. She sees you the possibility of this other thing. And I think something's really important about my read of this game is like, there's Cray's ideology.

is what she believes about the world. And there's an ideology, Crea wants you to have and to carry forward. And I don't know that that's a perfect circle. I think there's part of Crea who looks at you and says, I can't love the world. I've gone through too much. But you could love the world still.

And so I'm not going to teach you what I'm going to teach you what I'm going to teach you what I believe enough that you can almost reject what I believe to build a better thing than what I believe that's bigger and bolder and more all-encompassing. You know, for me, this is the like, Cray's grand plan. The one that makes the most sense with the rest of the game is not I'm preparing it to go after Reven and go save us from the darkness. It's, I'm preparing you to build a school that will overcome the failures of the Sith and the Jedi, that become something different, that withstands the sort of like, that

isn't a slave to the force and instead puts forward some sort of will and freedom and kind of grounded in mortality and the real material, you know, things at the ground. Even if that's an evil version of that, even if that's the Sith. Because I think this game also has a real like, the Sith and the Jedi are just two sides of the same religious thing. They're two sects inside of a core belief system. And it's such a big part of why the rest of this conversation, which is like, Ah, yes, Revin knew that the war wasn't really against the Republic.

Revin manipulated the Mandalrians into, or he knew that the Mandalorians were manipulated or whatever. And so he was preparing for the true enemy to come. I agree, does not hit as much as they wish it did. It doesn't feel in step with the rest of it. And also, Rob, this is where the line is that you thought was about what she's going to do. You can ask her, why didn't you follow Revin? And she's like, I didn't know where he went. If he had asked, would I have gone?

I don't know. And she ends up saying, instead, I remained here and now show others the way. And I think she means like, I'm showing you the way, not, and I will remain here indefinitely and show others away. But I can totally see how you would have gotten her reading that and going like, and that's what I'm here to do forever, is I'll stay at Malacor being a signposts forever. which completely sucks. And if that's what they meant, that's hell to me. And then we get the same thing,

but with the places, and you can go look that up, maybe. We don't need to go beat for beat on Queen Talia and Narshadah and Dan Tween, right? It's not interesting at all. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's like, if you care about it, look it up.

I actually think that the Tali ofaklu one is maybe the one that's interesting. Yeah, that was the only one. That was the one I was calling out is like, I'm surprised that the dark side version seemed better. Because the future of Anderon, if you sided with Vaklu, is as follows. Vaklu will have a short reign, but Anderon's independence shall persist. As he fought the Mandalions, his triumph over the Republic shall serve to preserve Anderon

against the rest of the galaxy, and Anderon shall maintain its customs, its lore, its history, its identity. And most of all, its victory shall give Anderon strength so that the horrors of the Sith War and the Mandalorian Wars will not soon come to its surface again. And the Lightside version

is very different. Mm-hmm. She has a long rain. Tali has a long rain. There's a lot of good that comes out of it. Andoran stays in the Republic. The world prospers.

But over time, they lose their customs in the ocean of the Republic and become the people of Anderran. no longer. That's the version of the story I wish we'd gotten on Anderan. That's the conflict. That's why y'all were like, well, maybe Vaklu has some points, right?

It's like one of the core conflicts of the show. It's like what we've talked about for years is like, hey, does the Republic become an all-consuming, assimilating force that erases the local cultures in order to create a sort of client-state system that turns you into a place that can't even, feed its own people. That's interesting and they did not have the juice with it in this game unfortunately. But, oh well. And then she keels over and dies

and we get... The core of this planet shall be your grave. Wait, did she say your grave? No, I... Is that what you told her? Oh, you told her that. I see. Oh, you didn't say like rest now, Cray. It's okay. And then she just went, ooh, it fell over. It's so funny.

only two options were the core of this planet shall be your grave, or now let us see if Malacor will accept your body old woman. I felt like the first one was slightly more respectful. Okay, we jam a package into a mailbox. Well, I meant, you know, she's dying, the core of the planet, you will be one with Malacor

as it has been such a, fundamental place for you. Gotcha, yeah. We had rest now, Kraya. Your time in this place is over. You know? And then she makes the goofiest sound and bad animation. They did not have the time or budget to get a unique

Kraya goes to rest. They did not do an Obi-Wan Kenobi, just the clothes fall to the ground. She goes, and then dies. And then you leave with that or not. They had to animate that scene. where you walk into the prison and the corpses there so they couldn't really pull it out for cray in this moment, unfortunately.

Oh, it's so funny. And that's Kotor, baby. And that's Kotor. And that's Kotor. We're done with Knights of the Old Republic. Two, the Sith Lords. Two, the Sith Lords. Yeah.

T-S-L, RCM. We did it. What's next? Also, wait, any other final thoughts? We'll do a Q&A. You should write in your questions. A more sublized age at gmail.com. because we obviously have a lot to talk about.

Yeah. And it's 11-11 right now. Make a wish. Ooh, make a wish. And yeah. So I will say that I'm going to try to put some more time into that Revan book and into the old Republican MMO because I just need to remind myself of how bad, how dirty they do Reven. I remember being mad about it at the time. And I just got to face that to myself.

But that's all We should play that MMO so bad We should play that MMO, Allie It's so bad It has its moments I think it really Watch the space I have no promises

Of anything Because it's such a big It would be such a big lift To do anything with it But what if Etcetera That's not what we're doing next though Certainly

What are we doing next? What are we doing next time? Maybe we just answer what we're doing next time Next time I think we should should do it. We should do it. December is approaching. I'm feeling festive. Is it a life day miracle?

I think it's a life day miracle. It's time to do the Star Wars holiday special. Who here has seen this in any capacity before? I've seen parts of it. Rob has seen parts of it. Okay. I've stayed pure. What do you think this is? No, I, okay, I'm going to at least one holiday song but sung with Star Wars references instead of like deck the halls but it's like it's like deck the uh uh halls of the death star death of the halls yeah death is art yeah uh-huh is archu d2 we wish you Merry Christmas from the holiday special i who

Good question. You'll find out. We'll find out. I don't remember if it's actually from this. Is this animated or live? Is this animated or? Seeing a baby wookie have his sexual awakening. That does happen.

Watching a hollow projection of a dance troupe. That's all you remember? Do you remember the name of the? Do you have to understand how hard it hit that little wookie? You remember. the name of the character? No. Wait, wait, wait, is it

Pre. Lord Jukas? Oh, sorry, Chewy's kid? Well, it's not his kid. It's like his nephew or something. Whatever. Maybe it is his kid. No, but it isn't L word. It is his son.

It is his son. Love, love, love. That's pretty good, but it's not love, love. How many vowels are in it? There's a long one. Lumpy, lumpy. It's lumpy. It's lumpy.

It's Lumpo Waru. I didn't go to Lampy. I got there. I could see it happen. I can see it come to your eyes. It's Lumpy. There he is. That's Lumpy.

We learn all about Lumpy. And as this image might suggest, it's live action. That part I love. I'm excited for that. it is from the year 1978. It aired on CBS. It hasn't aged a day.

So this came out right after Star Wars. That is right. And before 1980s, the Empire strikes back. And was for a good many years canonical. That's so important to understand.

There are like source books in the 90s were like and so one of other important texts is the Star Wars Christmas special. That's right. That's right. So next time.

I can't wait. We'll be watching the Star Wars holiday special. And then that will probably do it for us for the rest of the year as we take a little holiday break. And then we'll come back in the new year with something else. We have some plans. We have ideas. It will not be a video game to those who are eager for us to them. Send us some ideas also if you have.

Sure. Yeah. But we have some really good ideas. So your idea would have a. be like really good. But who knows? Maybe if there's something in. It probably isn't, but send it in.

Allie gave us a pitch before we started that I think was pretty good. And so that's where I'm at. But I would love to be convinced by a random person saying, no, you have to read this book for young readers or whatever. Anyway. Let us know. That's the end of Cotor 2. That's the end of Cotor 2. Farewell, Crea.

You will be in my heart forever. I am so glad. That going forward, I get to be like, this is like that time Crea said blank. I feel like Crea is now a voice in my head. Yeah, dude. Like the sheer number of times that, like, there is just the, my inner monologue now does have like Crea commentary interjecting. That's how it works. That's how she fucking gets you.

Well, all right. That is the end of Cotaur 2 and the end of another episode of More Civilized Age. Our show is produced by Cheek-Contreras and supported by you. our listeners on patreon.com slash civilized. We'll be back later. Like, we'll be back in December with the Star Wars holiday special. Until next time, please rate and review us on podcast platform of choice. And have a great life day.

Merry Life Day. Merry Life Day.