A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 14: Return to Geonosis Arc Pt. 1 (Clone Wars 26 - 27)

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

Today we begin our first multi-part arc, starting with the series' first attempt at a cloak-and-dagger romantic thriller, "Senate Spy" (an episode which unfortunately lives up to neither "cloak-and-dagger" nor "romantic thriller.") Then, we head to Geonosis for the war film inspired "Landing at Point Rain," where clones die by the dropship-load, Geonosians face the wrath of Republic flamethrowers, and Jedi once again serve less as generals and more as ego-driven quarterbacks.  NEXT TIME: Episodes 28 - 30 (Weapons Factory, Legacy of Terror, and Brain Invaders) Show Notes Fallen Clones: Innumerable (but unnamed) Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Clone Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zackney, joined by Ali Akampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. So today I want to begin with a return to something that Natalie said back when we watched Attack of the Clones. Natalie reenacted a scene for us, and I believe the spin you put on it was in a key romantic exchange between Anakin and Padmae. Anakin wanted to know, what's your body count? What's your body count? That's true. To which Padmae replied, one.

And Anakin went straight to, so you a ho. That could happen, yeah. We haven't really dealt with that since then. We haven't figured out about that one, and we haven't addressed Annikin's rather drastic reaction to the discovery that someone else was involved with Padme before him. But today, we're going to get into that as we hit Senate Spy, and that sets up a more straightforward military sci-fi episode landing at Point Rain, and that's going to start an entire – this is all part of a larger arc, but, like, we're going to be on geonosis and dealing with that for a while. But first, we do have to get to the bottom of the relationship dynamics and lingering jealousies of one, Anakin Skywalker and Padmey Amadala and just get a little taste of what

life at Shea Skywalker Amadala is life. These are two pretty straightforward episodes. I can summarize them really quickly and then we can start going beat by beat. in the first episode, basically we are going to learn that there is a traitor within the Senate. It is almost certainly Padmay's ex-boyfriend, Rush Clovis. And she will be asked to spy on him based on their previous relationship. Anakin will be very jealous. They will go off on this mission.

They will reenact some key scenes from the Hitchcock film, Notorious. and they will reveal Clovis as a spy and also discover the location of a massive new droid factory weirdly enough right where the old one used to be very clever these separatists you wouldn't think they just go straight back but they did so they built a new droid factory on Geonosis and the second episode that we're going to deal with today

landing at Point Rain covers basically just a assault landing gone horribly awry as the clone army begins an attack on the droid factory at Gianosis, and that sets off a multi-episode arc of shutting down this droid factory, shutting down the Ginoosins, probably, and then some of the fallout from that. But first, we begin with a quiet night at home with Annie and Padmay. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, I feel like, After the last set of episodes that we watch where, you know, we had some really questionable Anakin Padma exchanges. This felt like they were trying, like, for the first little interaction where it's like, you know, Daddy's home, like. He brought food. He brought home dinner. She seems very surprised that that was a thing he could possibly do. for some reason. She was really like,

how did you procure this takeout? And I was just like, um, he swunged by the spot on the way from back of the subway? After his ship was shot down. The bar is on the floor. The bar is. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Oh, yeah, his shit was shot down, I guess.

He does drop that like it's literally nothing. Yeah. How many people died in that? Who could say? Um Also that food in Orabesh, it says Warm food on the side

And on the top it says Sushi So Wait a minute I don't know about all that I don't know about all that any Well there's probably some of the gear There's probably some of the cooked rolls

Like you get like Anakin's a cooked roll Kind of guy Yeah you're right You're right Ooh a filly roll They They grilled this fish

And they put cream cheese on it. And they cover it in a little terriaki sauce? Pam, do you ever have this? This is amazing. There's so much flavor. Yeah, I could definitely see Anakin rocking like the deep fried spicy tuna roll vibe. That seems right for him.

It's true. Yeah, I feel like this episode was just so just doing. one of these episodes. Like it just felt, I felt like it was just, there was a framework of a, a trite ex-boyfriend, jealous, current boyfriend

vibe that Anakin and Padmae and Rush Clovis were just slotted into. And that, it was, it was one of the least, shockingly, one of the least interesting episodes to me, like in a in a very long time like I think

Bombad Jedi was better than this episode like five fine damn to this episode's credit it feels like it was 10 minutes long like it just went

that's true yeah that's true nothing happened briskly paste is right yeah there are some things worth there are some things

probably worth to get into a little bit I think it's very funny that at the very top of this episode we get a replay basically of the beginning of hostage crisis with the rolls reversed

where when Anakin wanted to fuck it was listen we don't have time for this anti-privacy bill what is that more important to you than my love but when she wants to heft the lightsaber he's all

you know duty comes first I gotta take this call from the Jedi from the homies and that was not I think that you know we get little touches of that flashes of that throughout this episode. Is she lying when she says she didn't realize how lonely she'd been lately?

No, she's been lonely lately. He has been fighting a war, and she has been alone with C3PO, and, you know, all they get is like an angry walk-and-talk through the Senate halls, you know? Like, that's, I feel like, I feel like, I'm feeling for Padmae here. These are points in my, that maybe her and Obi-Wan have a little side action going on, point, you know? There's, so some beats I like from this opening are that one, again, they're trying to get this notion of, and this is more common to war in this era than maybe in previous eras where like, the nature of like the war on terror, right, is troops go and then they come back to a tour and they're home for a while and then they go back out. And that's incredibly hard on families and it's very different from like the World War II model where it's like wave goodbye to someone in 1942, see you again in 1945.

early 46 um the other thing is i do kind of like also bad like but a different bad right yeah um yeah it's like which like in what like different stresses you're going to put families under yeah one of them is one of them is a really really really really long lonely road trip and the other is like you know stop and go traffic we're like well what what are we doing here are you back or are you not back how am i supposed to adjust to how am i supposed to adjust to how much to adjust long term to this you're here and then you're not situation and i think i think that that's like an interesting element to their relationship for sure i also do like the inversion of like now he's a little bit more like concerned with work and she's not and i think i don't view it as

inconsistent as something that i i feel like is coming through the show whether it's fully intended or not is again these are still really young characters and figuring stuff out we about like the bar being on the floor like everything here is young couple type stuff where it's like oh you played you called it home what else would i call it um the fact that like kim green home sushi is like holy shit look at this prince oh my god like you know padmay you better hold on to this one this is a catch and he's like whoa you baked bread and i used to do a lot of cooking like holy shit you can cook and it's just it's it's kind of cute yeah it kind of feels like they actually they haven't actually spent that much domesticated life together yes yes which yeah

it's like the first time he's spending the weekend over or whatever and like you get a little bit more it's like a long distance relationship where like when you meet up everything has to be perfect and everything has to be you know like everything's amazing everything everything's a major event, everything's planned, but then the second they get to stay like longer than a couple days, then you get more into the, you know, wrote, you know, aspects of life and you get to like a more inside look at to what their, you know, home life is like. That's definitely how this feels. Like there's still so much they don't know about each other and they're married.

Right. And they're married. And also she's hiding from the Jedi that he killed. like 40 people or whatever that time. Yeah, that is also at play. Yeah. So the other thing we get is the Jedi Council is meeting. I mean, we really got to get on the inside.

We got to get a wire up on Rush Bray. How are we going to do this? And same idea they have in the last few weeks. It's got to be Senator Amadala. She's refused multiple times. Well, Rob, Rob, you said Rush Bray? Oh. And that's because there's a destiny character named Clovis Bray.

And what your mind did was Stitch Rush Clovis and Clovis Bray together. Also, there's a battle tech character named Clovis Holstein? I can't remember. But there's another... That's right, yeah. A lot of Clovis is in your head. Yeah, he ends up killing his father Aldo Lestrade in the end of the Warrior Trilogy. I ain't that the way.

Yeah. But anyway, yeah, so Rush Clovis, they're like, she doesn't want to spy on him. And the Jedi are like, you know who could convince her? Skywalker. Yeah. And there's a lot of, they know, but they don't know in this episode. Obi-Wan, I would say, clearly knows. Oh, there's such a good cut to his face when he's like, she used to be with Clovis.

And like, Obi-Wan's eyebrows slowly raises. And it's like, yeah, he knows what's up. Yeah, he knows. But it's very funny because then, like, I, somebody, uh, somebody in that scene calls out, like, why, why would you know that she, oh, yeah, Yoda. Yeah, Yoda's, I got the quote because it's, it's, it's choice Yoda. Personal matters for the senator these are. Know them. Why would you?

Why do you know yet? Why does the whole fucking Jedi council read in? So, this is, actually, this is, you remind me something. so when they have the meeting because after this they meet because he never came home that night he was doing Jedi shit the rest of the night is implied so he meets her the Senate the next day and there's a walk and talking this between them yeah but the thing is like he sort of acknowledgment the fact that she's refused to do this before but the minute she finds out they think he's a traitor and working with separatists that changes everything she's like well I didn't know like Yoda didn't say that the implication for me is like the Jedi spy on the senators as a matter of routine that the Jedi are like just as part of their normal function now are starting to wire up the Senate a little bit and Padma didn't want any part of that she wants to keep that boundary like secure but if it's about like rooting out a traitor that changes things I will like I'm not going to spy just to like keep the Jedi Council in the loop on on senators but if it's a situation of like treason against the republic, I'm all in. Because that's the only way I can read that. There's another way.

Yeah. Which is, Anakin says, don't do it. And then she's all in. Anakin says it's not safe. And she goes, don't tell me what's not safe. He specifically says, I'm not going to let you do it. And that's the breaking point

because she doesn't want to be told what she can and can't do. I don't think you're wrong about the trade or stuff, but I think that's an added element. Sorry, Natalie, go ahead. It's kind of delivered at the same time. Like when Anakin is talking about him being a traitor, he uses that as a justification for why. He says that and says, okay, so who else could we, like, you know, use for this type of operation?

Because this is obviously too dangerous for you. Like, if he's a traitor, this is just, you can't, you can't do this. And then I'm like, motherfucker hasn't seen pad me with a knife comment. concept art, clearly. Clearly. But it's, yeah, this, I, like, I appreciate, I'm, I'm kind of shocked that I fell so hard on the, like, this is, like, so, like, surface level and wash to me this whole episode. But you, you all are, are bringing me back in a bit. I, I'm with you on it in terms of, I think it's a very, I think you're dead on when you say it's, like, a boiler plate, like, these characters get slops.

just get slotted into this exact story. I think you're right. Yeah. There's just, you know, you can get water from a stone if you squeeze hard enough. It's true. Also, can I just say that Rush Clovis is like the most, like, like, he was probably, he was president of like the young, young senators club or whatever the fuck. Oh, 100%.

um definitely was in his you know young senator university frat um oh he has yeah he has some skeletons in his closet from i was going to say when he was rushing for for frat but his name is rush so yeah that's where they got it from yeah from him he originated he's at the standard yeah his hair is also just extremely tall like he and pad may go out to dinner and i was like, damn, which one do you brought the taller hair? Because her hair is also up in some wild, like, crown situation. It's like layered and hanging off the, it's wild. Also, a lot of betty droids in that restaurant.

Both of these episodes are filled with betty droids. We get like one taste of a betty droid last arc, and then they're like, we're going all in on the betty droids from here on out, just bimbos everywhere all the time. But I'm here for it. I'm happy about it. My favorite Betty droid detail was that one of them was carrying Padma's luggage, which I really liked. Like, we're not going to get a masculine droid for that. Betty still has that on lock.

Yeah, Betty's, Betty's down. Totally capable. What were your first? Yeah, so that was, that's, one of my questions here was what I needed, that I needed Clovis first impressions. Like, maybe we just got them from Natalie. Maybe it's as strong as we're going to get. Not cute. Yeah.

Also, not cute at all. Like Padma. Yeah, but it's been, okay, but he's older now. They dated when they were younger. maybe he was cute when he was younger. What's up with the face tattoos? I like tried to look this up. No, I like, I looked it up and he was like, it was like he was adopted by MUN people.

And I was like, is this a MUN thing? And like, no, it's just like an aesthetic choice from him. And it does not look good. It doesn't. He's because he has very jaundiced skin. And then he put yellow tattoos on that. And that was not the play. No.

He's moonlighting as a SoundCloud rapper. Oh, okay, well now I understand So that's where that comes from Is that way they broke out Oh, it's a, it's a Scipio thing Or Scipio, Scipio How do you pronounce the name of his planet? Scipio

That is the way it is said But I think that's also the way he says it I'm gonna put, like I think he says I'm gonna put the fear of Scipio in them Yeah, that sounds right Apparently Apparently they are They signify his status on Scipio

I hate that per Which yeah, I'm not a fan Don't like it And the status does signify as he exited the character creator too quickly. Yeah, he just looks like... Oh, shit, did I leave those tattoos on? Fuck, can I go back?

Oh, I have to recreate the whole face. You know what, fuck it, I'm good. You know what I'm going to do the prolog? I couldn't see, and the character created the lighting was different. I couldn't see, yeah, I'm just going to wear helmets all the time. Helmets on, and the options. It's first person anyway, so you'll never see him again. Yeah, yeah.

But yeah, he was just like not... I was just, I was hoping for someone a little bit, like, cooler for, I guess it, you know, everyone has the, a corny X, you know, everyone has one. So this is, this is hers. His name is Rush Clovis. This is, like, I think the, the thing, again, like, why this is such a kind of inert episode in some ways is, this genuinely is not a guy Anika needs to worry about. and you can see why Anakin might worry about him

because he appears to be cultured and worldly and sophisticated in a way like Anakin is not but he's not he's a Patsy like he is a rich kid who also isn't very bright is pretty naive like genuinely all it takes to win his confidence is for like Pad May to turn up

and be like man I've been really lonely lately and he's like well I'm gonna go hang out with the Nemoidian soon but like when I it back we should like you know hook up and she's like oh the nemoidians uh boy you know put in a good word for me i i can never get anything out of those guys like you're so good with them boy i sure wish i could like be good at the nemoidians and he's like why don't you come with and she's like that sounds awesome conspiracy mission yeah you invited you invited you invited your also do people not know that that she hangs with jen i all the time like she's walking around the senate

halls with Anakin. That would be in the tabloids all the time. There's not like a rumor mill in the Senate, which is like when we got kidnapped, Padmae had a lightsaber, yada, yada, yada. Right, this is what I'm saying. Maybe Clovis just isn't in those conversations. He doesn't, he isn't allowed it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But he's not in the group chat. Yeah, he seems like kind of a herb. Like, yeah, he's not. Yeah. He definitely stays in one of those group senator houses. Do you know what I'm talking about? like that the Chuck Schumer house?

Who runs those houses down in D.C.? There's a bunch of them. There's a bunch of them. Okay. Yeah. God. Miserable. Yeah, he still has his college posters up on the wall, you know?

Well, and I think one of the things that's going to emerge about him, too, is like, he's not, again, he's just kind of a spoiled rich kid whose motivations are also not even, like, ideological. He's just trying to make a quick buck on this war. and he has no real sense that like there's any danger like attending any of this like he is um it just has that vibe of like a rich kid who's been protected from consequence since forever and is beginning to exceed the capacity for his position to insulate him from consequence also he got no game the stuff when they get on the ship to go to ceda no moidea and he's like how you're you could use my shoulder as a pillow. He doesn't even say as a pillow. I think he could rest your head on my shoulder if you get tired. And then Anakin breaks one of the seats so that he has to have to sit like with a seat between them. But that doesn't stop him from trying to lean in and kiss her cheek randomly.

It's just like, yikes, rancid, rancid vibes. Such rancid vibes. This is not going to work for you. Like even if she was into it, you're, you're pulling up and missing. Oh, there's bricks, shooting bricks. yeah he has he has no he has zero game he really is just like i i i really read it as like like padmay and him did like model u.n or something together model senate republic senate and like you know they were they had like a weekend retreat conference somewhere in the galaxy

and they were just like, you know, it's so hard for me to imagine like a deep relationship there. Well, and she says they haven't spoken since she wanted their relationship to just be professional. And the implication is he did not handle that well and kind of like cut her off after that doing the thing where it's like, you know, she needs me. I'm just going to speak to her. I'm going to just, like, be completely frosty, and she's going to come back. And, like, some time later, years later, in fact, she has not come back. And she's just like, yeah, I bet like, he used to be a friend. He's fine.

I'm not going near him. But you really get the sense that he was just waiting. Like, he's just, he's been sat waiting for her to just, like, pick up the phone and call. Like, he was ready to just hop right back in where they left off. No time had passed. And not a good look for him. We also, it's probably worth saying, so he's about to go meet Lott Dodd.

And we were just like really in Lucas contemporary politics name zone right now. Trent Lott and Chris Dodd, right, two active politicians at the time. Rush Limbaugh and Clovis, Sam. Clovis, both of whom have histories in right-wing conservative talk shows and politics. And even Newt Gun Ray, who doesn't show up in this episode, but is, of course, like the Namoidian, Newt Gingrich, and Gun Ray, if you flip it in the middle, it's Reagan. It's Gunn, Ray, Reagan, Reagan, Raygun. And so it is very funny to see all these characters show up in an episode that, you know, is vaguely about what the status quo is in the, in the Senate political scheme,

which is that the Senate, all these people are in the Senate. Like, it's, understand that the Trade Federation, the banking clan are part of the Senate still, or part of the Republic still. They, and Faloni talks about this in the featurette for this episode, the Jedi think that they're tied to the Confederacy, but they don't have proof. And so, or they, they know that they're, they know that they're selling weapons, but they don't know that they're doing, quote, unquote, treason. And I don't know where that line is. What? So, so, so, noot, new, gun ray. Let me just read the, let me just read what Floney said instead of trying to summary. He says, um, the Federation still has Lot Dodd, the Trade Federation says lot Dodd as a senator in the Republic. He is a corporation, a quote unquote, neutral corporation, who just happens to sell arms to both sides of the war. The Jedi think they are criminals. The Jedi are right, but they can't prove it. They don't have the goods.

So the banking clan, the trade federation, the Commerce Guild, they all sit squarely in the middle of the Clone War, profiting from both sides. They do get flack for supporting the separatists, but business is business. So for now, they sit within the republic. But it might come in handy in the future, having all these corporations on your side if you're trying to build an empire. So the, you know, I guess the implicit or the implication there is that the chancellor is allowing them to continue, that Palpatine is allowing them to stay in the Republic, knowing that one day he will utilize them as like imperial agencies? It's very weird. It's very strange. How is that not? Go ahead. At what point was assassinate or trying to assassinate

Obi-Wan and Anakin, or Quigone at that point, not like enough of a crime? You can't just get rid of a country. You could be like, well, Newt Gunray has to go to jail for that. That was no good. But the trade federation is bigger than that one ship and that one fleet, right? That was a conflict that was escalated. The Jedi pulled their weapons too, you know, whatever bullshit happens on this Senate floor. I don't know. I mean, we're living in a moment where, like, we have multiple, like, factions within our Senate and companies that, like, back them to the hill, like, basically just sitting and waiting for the next time they can, like, like Lajaku

And well this is part of why I think it's wise that on top of all these like super well-known Republican names that get brought into this you do also get Chris Dodd evoked in in what's his lot Dodd is the name of that character because I don't think that Lucas is blind to the larger systemic crisis in which the thing that is falling apart here is the Republic it's not these like seven bad assholes who are like mean to mean to people it's this is about like large scale rot in the system right right right um anyway and the and the rot is maybe at its worst on on cato nomoidia um a city of hammocks like there's a moment where where padmay's looking out her uh sweet window yeah and they appear to build all their cityscapes on like these giant arcing suspension beams that look like giant hammocks strung between like mountain ranges looks

really cool i dig it looks cool yeah um but yeah so the nemoideans are who they who they always are uh kind of oily um like polished manners sort of but in a really off-putting way and like again this episode very silly the minute they land like great to see you senator why don't you get comfortable in your room we got to do the criminal conspiracy in the room immediately off the lobby like we're just not even a door on this room we're just going to stand over here you stand over there and uh we're going to do the criminal conspiracy thing um all right we're all here for the treason meeting right all right pull this hologram up with all the incriminating info on it yeah with the labeled uh droid factory

for uh duku just like really big like letters on that that anyone could read, you know. Just leave that USB in there. We've got to get to dinner. The fact that he leaves it in! He leaves the fucking USB card in the drive. Yeah. That just, I don't, like, even if you don't, even if you're not suspicious that Padmae is going to betray you, just keep it with you.

Don't leave it in the machine. There's so many people walking around. I don't trust these droids. I don't know these droids. I don't know who Lord Poggle brought with him. It's like the river. of the Jedi OPSEC we saw last week where one dude has the only

matching key to unlock the file, etc. And here, we've got you know, Clovis who was basically like, oh, I got a million of these files, don't worry about it. We'll just leave one of these terminals so we don't, like, I've gotten my cloud too. It's fine.

We could just see this, whatever we need to. If we could pull up during dinner, that'd be great. Honestly, it was more suspicious if we are trying to be, you know, hiding it. Like, just the, we'll hide in plain sight everywhere. Yeah. But the other, here's the other way thing they don't explore much. This breakdown in relations between Clovis and the banking clan.

Like, there's an allusion to the fact that, like, the Nemoideans have basically been bought out of their own society or their own planet by the banking clan in order to get in on the ground floor of this weapons factory, which seems. like a bad investment like you just invested in like the biggest military target in the galaxy if it's ever found but anyway they did and the nemoideans have this idea of like you know what we're going to do we're going to get leverage over rush and the banking clan uh by poisoning padmay and we're going to bargain with rush and you think that's going to come up but it really kind of doesn't they end up like not really doing anything with that notion the nemoidians are playing with beyond the fact that Padma gets poisoned. Yeah.

It's not clear how there's one dude from the banking clans is going to fix their worldwide problem of being deep in debt. I get, like, how juicy it is to get some sort of one-over on this herb, but, like, probably not worth it. Probably not worth whatever the repercussions will be writ large. I guess maybe is the idea that, like, he's going to just send them the money for this, for this, droid factory ASAP and not worry about it it's like not even that because the thing that they asked for is just like a bigger cut like it's an completely low stakes plan it's something they could have talked about like more yesterday but what if the APR is like really good what if it's what if there's been like a predatory loan status and they're like 24% and they've been he he dropped

it down to like a 3% loan and they're like yeah okay we can we can fuck with that that's that's good This is just, like, the worst, like, episode of Shark Tank where, like, the Nemoidians are, like, showing up to fucking Rush Clovis and being like, hi, take us out of debt. And he's like, um, Pagel the senior, and this is my son. Pagel the lesser. And we have something we think you'd be very interested in. Our planet. It's a droid factory. Yeah, our planet.

And, and, and Russia. Honestly, why are the Nemoids involved at all? Why isn't this, why isn't this not just a banking clan Genocians deal? I don't know. Because they just, I mean, they're just the middleman, I guess. They're just, I guess they're, maybe they had the contact. Like, they rep the, the, the, the denosians.

Is Lord Pogel trade federation? No. Or is he a different thing. You know what I mean? I think he's just a good one of you. Yeah. Hmm. Like the geonotions are kind of like,

Okay, so the G&O seems They're like Silicon Valley of the separatists Like they're doing all the tinkering And they're disrupting military technology That's not the techno union No, the techno union guy just makes buttons Yeah, we have Yeah, he's got the buttons

That motherfucker's in the techno union Yeah, but he didn't do shit He was a clown. He was a clown You're not wrong But they keep They keep bringing him back in the Like I feel like he's going to be One of the main baddies for

at least this season because he was in the intro to this episode. Damn war a batty? Shit. Season two has changed. I think he's just going to not much of a baddie just gets his ass kicked every time he shows. So I think

in this, Ginoisons, they're the Silicon Valley, they get all the disruption, but they're also building like a massive fab facility of this really key technology of droids which are just selling like hotcakes. Now, who all is financing the separatists

who knows it's kind of interesting the banking plants now we know right well sort of except ultimately they're extracting profit from the sales of the droids so who is buying the droids it's not the banking clan it's the separatists or some other part of the separatists so the thing that's kind of applied here is a number of people who are part of the separatist cause are actually not

really part of it they're speculating in it and like the thing that's missing here is that there's a massive pool of money and resources being dumped into the separatist side that's coming from question mark. The answer is Palpatine, probably, but where did he get it? Who knows?

Well, no, the thing is, I do think that the money is coming from the banking clan, the techno union, etc. But I think that you're right that they're speculators. They're not, you know, the real fighters in this thing are Palpatine and Duku. They're the ideological

push of this thing. They'll also, We've seen the next episode that the Gionosans also don't want to be part of the Republic, like, actively as people, not just as people who have droids or something. Yeah, no, they're down. But I think all of this really recharacterizes that final, like, killing of the, of all of the, quote-unquote, leaders of the Confederacy in Revenge of the Sith, where Palpatine is like, yes, go to Mustafa and kill them all. And it's like, those aren't even generals at this point. They're like stakeholders. They're like, yes, I've sent all of the partners. I've sent the board to Mustafa, go take care of them.

And that's fun. I like the idea that they're actually less connected to it all than what kind of the first few movies actually make it look like. Anyway, I have one other very important thing to shout out that it's very easy to miss. So she's going to go to dinner. Padme is going to go to dinner with Clovis and the, banking all the rest of the trade federation people and we cut out to aniken and anakin is outside who are working on the ship and being grumpy and archie d2 notices that he's grumpy did anyone pick this up alley's nodding alley's nodding r2d2 shows up and he's like yo i got you homie

what you want you want a cheese stick what is this what is i don't know what the snack is but he's like here no and and anakin is like no i'm not hungry no thanks and it's fine it's okay to not be hungry, but I just R2, realizing that maybe Anakin's getting a little hangary, you know, it does look like a, it actually does look like a, like a huge cigarette. Maybe it's a blunt, I can't tell from this angle. Archie just wants him to spark up. Just come on. Shut out, Anakin. Archie's got the lighter attachment built in. It does. We know that that's true. We've seen that. Um, then we get the, then we get Padmay. Can I get a Padmae?

outfit review because we get like a Padmee dinner out. Yeah, I really badly. I'm glad. I'm glad. Situation, I think needs to be a dress. I just, her outfit drives me insane. It is so bad. I will go to Padmey because she was smart enough to wear

the like tummy out outfit when Anakin came home and then wore it again on the plane which I guess implies that that dress has like 100% hit, right? Like she knows what she's doing. But the the dress that she's wearing, but the dress that she's wearing

First of all, they do the, like, Beauty of the Beast walking down the stairs thing, and she looks awful. They, like, it's so bad. They just refuse to animate, like, acknowledge that she has breasts, but give her an extremely low-cut dress, and it just looks so, so bad. And then, so it's a low-cut dress, and then she's wearing, like, gloves, but the gloves go up to her shoulders and then have holes in them. Like, at first I was like, is this, like, a fucked up cold shoulder situation? should you just fuck this up? And no, she had to put both of those on separately. It's like a shrug almost, like a shrug that somehow is able to stay on the shoulder.

She must have some boning in the chest piece that is keeping that up and defying gravity for us all. It makes. Oh, there's hair everywhere, is my 100%. C-Pio was back there, really making the whole thing come together. Fashion tape all over. her hair has never looked more flat or unappealing like just just all the way down in her head she looks sickly already in this scene where she's about to actually get sick she comes into the scene looking sick so yeah she looks kind of haggard like she just yeah she doesn't look

great um i also just think her i was i've never been so aware of her figure as i was in this episode and it is so unsettling. Like her rib cage just is like like just cut so sharp and then like her ass is just thrown to the back

so hard and it's just I'm like oh my God like it just doesn't it just doesn't I get like you know kind of a more dramatized shitty female you know figure

vibe but like it's just it's so unsettling sometimes you're just so horny for buxom figures and heroin chic you just can't choose yeah that's exactly it what is happening with this dress I got this profile shot of it

I didn't realize that it was also just like an open back but it's just like it's like adhere to the side like what is happening and the thing is like I'm almost certain any version of that that works would have like a really sheer

like bodysuit component to it. Right, sure. But they're just like, no, we got it's got to just be enticing. And so it's going to be this preposterous, like it's going to be like a giant

bodice shield that goes all the way up from the waist with no support. But then also, again, her collarbones, folks, what the fuck? It's hard to look at to me. It's hard to look at to me. It's hard to to look at that collar bone.

It's all, it's, it's chiseled. The bone is lifted. Yeah, yeah. If I had just shown you the like V part of this, and you would have said this is a clone trooper armor, this is like a droid. You're looking at a Betty drone here. I just, I don't get why, why they're exaggerating her bones so, like, I, like, I get like in the, like the, you know, sort of angular face shapes and stuff like that.

Yeah, that's kind of. It's like a style thing that's... Clovis has that with his face. Like, Aniken has that. But... I think that catches light really, like, in a really fun way. And it's, like, it's dramatic and fun. But she, like, she just is moving, like, this, like...

I just... It's very distracting. I have to know. She's, like, an undead character from World Warcraft here. Like, it's not good. Also, though, so we get... She's all dressed up with this fancy dinner. We skip the dinner because we're not going to show these characters eating.

Also, this is like some slow acting poison. Right? Dodd rubs the poison. She comes down the stairs and Dodd is like, I'm going to take a big sip of this cup and I want you to sip from the same cup and that will be hospitality. And I get that that's like he's taking the sip so she knows it's not poisoned. But also

He put some like thumb poison on it I don't know how he had that on his thumb the whole time Yeah I don't know how she didn't see him go like Swoop I'll just touch this The glowing green juice on the side But yeah that was like the extended release

Poison I guess Just just slow acting Well Yeah she's mostly okay for most of this episode And she's like pretending to be sick Like at first time like Oh shit like she's already starting to fade, but actually she's just playing it up, and then she gets actually sick once she's

had time to do her all spy thing. By the way, though, I do love, after dinner, my compliments to the droid. Absolutely. Good. Absolutely good. Very good. Extremely good. So then she finds the drive. But then she becomes a hacker. Her name is incredible. Yeah, we get, it's a little bit much, right? And like, what is happening with Pat? Last week, we spoke about the dangers of good dick disease. But for Padme to have two men in her life who, like, years later, still obsessed with her, like, what is going on with, like, the extremely fat pussy disease? Like, what is that thing? So you think that the password was already Paddy? You don't think he, like, switched that up on the way over, not the way over, but he was, like, setting up this file last thing.

It's like, all right, time to encrypt it. What should I name this? Oh, you know what? I'm going to use a little extra luck for me. No, that's just, he's his password for everything. Yeah. He's that guy. God.

Yeah, he's got one password. He's just telling that the she guesses. All right, what are his passwords? Clovis one, two, three. Banking clan, yeah, Senator Clovis. Barron Rush Covis. By the way, he's a baron. That's a little added thing.

She's like, what about just Rush? And she's like, damn. Padmay? I'm in. Well, and she looks kind of, like, she does look like, oh, no, it's Padmay. And she's like, she, like, and that's why I think he's always had her name as the password, and that's why it's extra creepy. It's like, it's like a hot and black man. It's been like, we have not been together in like five or six years.

We haven't even spoken in five or six years. Yeah. Okay, but do you think that's a situation where sometimes you have a password and, no, you can't do it with an X. You can't do it with somebody you dated. Also, he can't just, like, sit on that file. That's a new file. That's a new file. This is what I'm saying.

He had to put that file. He had to, uh, well, maybe it's an old USB. You know what I mean? And maybe he's like, I don't know how to change the answer on it. That I can believe. How do I get into the office? Just put, just, yeah, I'm just stuck with it. He doesn't even think of her normally when he says.

It's just like, you know, whatever, one, two, three password. He was, he was quick to invite her on this trip. I don't know. I think that he's been sleeping for a long time. I think Allie's right I think you're right Pat, listen She's cute

You know She's cute Yeah, I'm down She can throw it back I could see it Apparently Um There was another thing I wanted to say

But I've forgotten it Because I'm distracted by Padma See that dress is what You didn't think You made fun That's right You know what Damn it's working on me

Yeah I went Oh I do Go ahead I was just gonna say I'm wondering if, like, the animation team was like, okay, we're going to design the stretch. She's going to have cool evening gloves.

And they were like, oh, shit, she has to get like a shot later in this episode. We're just going to copy, delete the part of the gloves. And it's all good. Bad decisions. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, you're going to show the arm. I think that's, that's very smart.

Very wise. I like the arm cut out. I don't, I don't like, I don't hate this. I just hate... Ooh, Natalie's come back around. I just like, I'm, I'm into, like, you know, a little negative space moment. Like, love a... Sure.

Love a backless moment. I just think that, you know, maybe it's just a little much. I think if you're doing an exposed breast, maybe, you know, you have a little bit higher. I mean, this is, like, hitting ass crack territory. Like, we are all the way. way down there. It's all the way down. So I think you just got to, you got to be playful with it.

You know, you got to have contrasts. I definitely feel like the holes would be better if it was like a full Bolo jacket situation and not two completely separate pieces. Yes. Yes. Had me with a wrap. Sure. Sure.

Put a Paschmina on that girl. Going back to the password situation, one, you got to have something that locks you out after five misses. I get three misses. be annoying sometimes. I mess up my own password. I'm like, oh, fuck, I don't log into this thing. All right, they require, you know, 12 characters on this password. How am I supposed to

remember that? Whatever, right? Get one password, people. But you've got to lock it out. You got to have three, five, five. Skipio, banking clan, Senator Clovis Barren, Red Clovis Rush, at that point it should be like, no more. Austin. This is we're putting this USB unlocked.

This is what happens when you're scraping the bottom of the barrel of a declining aristocracy and like, Plutarch's fail sons Plutocrats The second thing is Yeah It's not Plutarch

Plutarch The Lesser Pagel the lesser Pagel the lesser's fail sons The second thing is you've got to have two factor

We learned in this episode That the internet exists Because Padmey says Yep To Rush The Nemoids I'm arguing with those motherfuckers

In the HoloNet Every day She says hollow net which is our first instance of knowing that there's message boards in Star Wars that she's posting to and arguing for concessions from the Nemoids to the HoloNet. The Star Wars.com confirms in this episode's trivia section a galaxy-wide communications network that works somewhat like television and the internet. But no, they mostly use it as Skype.

That's the thing. Right, that's the thing, right? That's the hollow net, right? So I guess maybe that's what's happened. She's Skyping with them, you think? You don't think that these are, that she's in, like, four mores. Yeah. I don't think she's posting.

She's in Twitter threads. I cannot imagine her posting. Padmaid does not post. I can. Really? It likes walls of text that nobody replies to. She's like a junior senator, remember? So she's like, she's probably on that hollow net in a way that other.

She's probably dropping the TikToks. That's true. Oh, my God. Do you think, no. Do you think she's a cool senator? I don't. I think she's trying to be a cool senator. You don't think she, okay, but compared to,

other senators. Who's a, I guess, what's her name? Choochee might be. Choochee's on TikTok. 100%. Choochee's on TikTok. You're right, you're right. Padmey is, yeah.

On Instagram. She's on Instagram. Instagram Reels. She is. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think Padme?

She's not like a Facebook person. I hope not. TikTok, she's one of the people who's like, Gen X shouldn't make fun of millennials. we like our side parts yeah exactly she's 100% being or like is doing that really sincere like hey like

hey zoomers millennials have your back like I know we're lame but you know that's just because of our experiences in life and we just want to help you get through life better than we did and everyone's like shut the fuck up

she has made like two to three chuggy TikTok video all of them asking is this chugie yeah um so now we get into so she gets the file immediately um she's basically caught by rush um so she pulls him easily by embracing him uh anna can nearly throw his little tantrum when he sees it but she tosses the file to him and he realizes like oh this is a ruse um he takes the file rushes off to too and is like hey if i don't know if i get five minutes get the fuck out of here and this is the moment where padmay gets sick and then a bunch of things just happen real fast um she ends up back in a room she is doing well rush is informed by lot that she's a republic spy he is confronted

by he she is about to confront padmay uh who's declining rapidly uh as she lies lies there poisoned and then Anakin bursts in and they have an exchange where basically Anakin is demanding you know Clovis's help and Clovis sort of decides he loves

he loves Padme more than he loves treason he says he might kill me if he finds out Lot might kill me if he finds out but still it's her life I worry about she must be saved because I love her and so and the weird thing He's down bad.

So bad. This is sad as shit. Even by Anakin standards, this is like a depressing level of hung up. He got Anakin talk about her. Really? Like, buddy, I'm married to her and like, I've got our two ready to leave. Like, yeah. Yeah, he just, he gives it up so easily.

He's like, all right. so much for this whole you know inter-galaxy evil banking clan agreement he still seems to think even though Anakin basically said

I'm not doing a deal with you he still thinks after they make their escape they're confronted on the staircase again they're like the film the show is now directly quoting notorious where Carrie Grant is carrying right right uh

ingrid bergman uh out of claude rain's house and you know they have no choice but to let them go um but he seems to think even though anacom is very clear we're not doing this deal like i'm not negotiating for the fucking antidote they get to the landing pad and rush is like wait you got to give me the file back

and it's like you're bad at negotiating you miss that this term was explicitly declined And so they're just taking off, and Anakin sort of gives him the kiss off. I'm sorry, Clovis, it's good to know you have a heart. I wish I could give you back the disc, but I have a lot of faith in your survival skills. But that's what I might be misplaced, because it sure looks like he is being marched in front of an execution squad of droids as the episode ends. Definitely a firing line there. Yeah, I feel like he, Clovis runs, runs out.

out just I think he just he thinks he thinks he thinks Anakin is just some rando pilot like that probably I don't know that that rush could either intimidate or bribe into like he's just used to a certain like class of people just doing what he says and it's it's very evident when he rushes out that he like isn't taking anything Anakin is saying seriously he's just like oh it's good it's going to continue to go my way because I'm a spoiled fucking brat and like it's yeah can I tell you something truly rough about the timeline yeah on Clovis and Anakin or no that's a different relationship Clovis and Padmay so they dated when they were junior senators when they were first year freshman senators that was in 28 BBY we are now in 201

B.B.Y. It has been seven years. That is a long ass time. This is like just total puppy love type shit. This is seven years? You gotta. It's hard not to move on. Right. You're on Carson. You're whining and dining.

You're a senator. You even dated anybody else? Here's the thing. I think I think Rush had a really good time in high school. And I think like, I think he I think he thinks about high school very fondly thinks about his freshman senator year being like the best

time of his life and I think he just some people are just still in that To be clear they weren't senators in freshman year of high school I know I know but they were Okay okay They were like

Star Wars timeline land those things over loud Yeah It's right like How old is Padman? She would have been yeah If this was seven years ago she would have been like 17 right something like yeah exactly so so yeah okay you you have like uh maybe they went to like the the freshman senator ball or something like prom or something and everyone was like you guys

are the cutest couple blah blah blah like that's his peak he's still living in that time some people never grow out of high school or a freshman senator a year oh yeah true i just think he he's he's he's one of our most down bad characters we've seen so far I wonder if we'll ever see him again Probably not I think he died I think he may die It sure feels like that dude is like just shot on that landing pad

Like two seconds after the wipe Yeah Now if they bring him back That wouldn't surprise me If the show is like you know we need another romantic rivalry episode The problem is this dude's not a romantic rival Like again Obi-Wan a more convincing threat to Anakin

And Padmaid's relationship than this fucking chump. Imagine this whole episode, but it's like, Padme has to go undercover with Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan has to pretend not to be a Jedi,

but to be, like, her romantic interest. That's that shit. I would love to watch that. Shit. I love it. I'll bet their romantic undercover escapade. Who could have thought of that? No one.

No one. No one. This is why they pay. me the big bucks. Think of that juice. That's probably the entire genre of like 50 or 60 fix of like you guys have to go undercover and be completely out of contact. And then you stay in a hotel room and there's only one bed.

There's only one bed. There's only one bed. What are you going to do? Oh, you can only take this luxurious. Also, they could be, they could be surveilling us. We have to make it really convincing. Really convincing. We have to share the bed.

We have to. Yeah, there's, there's a. camera's in the room we uh right yeah can't trust anyone on kato na moiety um so but i i have a couple things about this episode before we wrap it which is one how come it's interesting to me that we don't have any like lot dod like anything we got a big hat on him no but but i mean And, like, there's no sense that, like, some shit's about to come to Lot Dodd. Like, he's about to be arrested by the Senate or whatever for conspiring to build a droid factory. Like, it doesn't really...

Yeah, I don't think he is either, right? It doesn't seem like it. Doesn't seem like anything's going to happen to him, but... They get this information, but they kind of just, like, use it to then immediately go attack the place. Right. Also, I don't understand the timeline because, like, we're seeing the droid factory, and then we cut to the beginning of the next step. And it's like, there's a drawing factory on Geonosis. Yeah.

So, did they just fail to stop it from being built? Was it already built? I think it was already built. Yeah, maybe. What was changing hands? I have, it's shares. Shares in it, sure. Like the debt has been restructured.

And, yeah, that's what's going on. And remember, the, the, dot dot that's going to be skipped over is basically as this episode is unfolding, there's a massive like Tet offensive style thing happening in the background where a bunch of territory the Republic has cleared goes back into revolt. Right. That makes sense. My other thing was, you know, I am impressed.

I have to say I'm impressed that Anakin did not kill anyone in this episode. No, there's no combat in this, in this thing at all. The fact that Anakin doesn't actually lose his shit at all, like he's, even when he sees Padme's, like, arms around him, like, he's there for a second. But as soon as he sees the disc, he is like, he's fine. Like, he's, he's really. And he could have been like, all right, we got the disc, kill, kill, kill. I'm out. Oh, this is proof.

Yeah, we have to find a way out. Sorry. That's what I was waiting for. And he doesn't do that. Yeah. He could have saved Clovis. He could have just brought him on and like, hey, we're going to put you in witness protection. And instead, he's like, the only people who know what I just did here are me and Art 2.

Padme's out of it. Padmae's out. Fuck this guy. That's true. Annie, what happened to Clovis? Yeah, he didn't make it. Yeah, he died heroically, actually. So, yeah, think of him well in your memory, I guess.

Or not even. He's dead dead. He's dead. He's dead. He's dead dead. last words were that, you know, he was, you know, he was, you know, just using you for sex.

Fuck Padme. Yeah. I never really gave a shit about you. And just a huge asshole, really. Yeah. Yeah. That was my other thing. And then my last thing about this episode was,

I feel like this is the most expositiony episode we've had in recent memory, if not in a really long time. Like, I feel like at every point somebody is talking. It is like, hey, I am this person. And my plan is to do this. And it's just like so much just explaining there's nothing left to the imagination in this. We always talk about like the sort of ambiguity of Star Wars. And sometimes we get those little tastes of, you know, hinting towards a larger thing. But this one just felt so like here is what is happening. Here is how each of these people are involved

and there's no way to kind of, there's no space to kind of play in for us. Padme's dress is a metaphor for the episode. Right, this is like really revealing, but what is revealing is really awkward, like just monstrosity of like, this doesn't work. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. It's like, it's putting it all out there. But what's being put out there is weird. It's weird. There are parts of it that I think are kind of cool. Yeah.

I like the color. I like purple The last note on this is that they considered using Palo the guy that Padme brings up in episode two

but it was abandoned one because it was said that he abandoned politics to become an artist two because that relationship would have been when Padme was 12 and they wanted someone who was like a current like adult time

Padme X, not like a childhood X. Oh, sure. Yeah, I think that was probably a good call. I mean, I'm into the Padma's... The artist? I would love to know... Oh, yeah. Let me see Palo. That's a threat in so many ways.

Yeah. I don't know, I don't know that we ever even get to see what Palo looks like. Oh, he... It's a Patriot-S-Col-inspired characters and, like, does abstract nudes. and it is just cool as fuck and has like amazing weed I love this because I've

Googled what Palo looks like and there's a thing is he was only ever visually present in it looks like Star Wars galaxies and Empire divided the MMO so all we get is what he looks like in the MMO

and he Buddy He got done bad It's just a bad outfit, maybe. And maybe it's just a bad outfit. Can you describe what he's wearing? He's wearing like an oversized sweater vest situation over like a robe with two like shoulder armor pieces that are like too low on his shoulders.

So it like doesn't make him look like confident and cool. It's just like, he's just like, yeah. I like that you describe the top layer as a vest because I didn't read it like that. I see it. I was reading it as like a towel with the head slot cut into it. It feels like a big bath towel that just like cut a little hole in the middle and threw it over. You know, and now it's like a tabbered or whatever, you know? Yeah.

This dude looks so much like one of the more gormless F1 drivers that's out there. Where it's like F1 is a series that is often like loaded with wall-to-wall. like hot twinks and here's Romon and Grosjean just being kind of like here I am Yeah that's him That's the same guy

For sure Yeah so Anyway that's that episode That dude died RIP to Clovis Died Doing what he loved Getting played for a fool by Padmay

And being left by her And then, yeah, Pat, Pat, man, you don't have to apologize. You never have to apologize, you know, first of all. But if he doubted you, that's on him. Yeah, nightmare. Allie, what were you going to say? Before we move on this episode, I do have one comment that I want to make. Add one more tally to the, Ali's going to fight Yoda for that people are keeping it home.

There is not a relationship in the fucking world that this guy won't look at and be like, I can manipulate that for my own ends. 100% It's true It turns out That's the That's his secret power More than anything else

He's like don't make attachments Because I'm gonna fuck your life up It's me who's the problem Mace is out there talking about chatter points And Yoda's like Yeah okay Call it whatever you want But I'm breaking things apart

With 24 seven Yeah We're gonna We need to get to the High Republic And see if maybe there's some You know young Yoda This is how he learned learned that the only good relationship is one you can manipulate to your own game.

Maybe he got his heartbroken, you know. Who's he down bad for? Yaddle. Yaddle. Probably. Right? I mean, I don't know. I'm curious. I'm...

Grogu came from somewhere. Grogu did come from somewhere. But Grogu... It took 300 years of going out to coffee with Yaddle and being like, hmm, treat you right? He does not. And just like relentlessly nagging and sabotaging. every relationship. Yodas password is Yaddle.

When Yonis was trying to long into the holocrons. Yaddle. It's someone who understands you. So, yeah, as I alluded to, somewhere in between, like, around this time, all hell breaks loose across the Republic with a bunch of previously captured territory from the separatists, moving back into revolt against, the Republic. All of this is laid out in the opening intro of the next episode, landing at Point Rain, which covers the Jedi leading an assault force to knock out this new droid factory. And basically, this is, we're hitting reset on the battle genosis from attack of the clones, because that was incoherent and boring. We're going to do it again now as a

military adventure. All the Jedi are going to be there. We'll know. Plo's Rose are absent, but just about everyone else is. And yeah, this is basically just like the outline of the episode is given in the opening briefing sequence as the Jedi Council of War meets and sort of unpackes this plan

of they have to pierce the outer defenses of the Genosin Droid Factory and get to a rally point where all the Jedi forces are going to converge and then storm the shield generator and the Droid Factory itself. That's

the plan, and of course, no plan survives first contact with the enemy, and that's where things are going to go wrong in this episode. Crucially, Palpatine is in on that call and doesn't understand why they're dividing the Jedi. Well, you should put all the Jedi together, maybe in one transport, who knows. But shouldn't all the Jedi be together? I thought he said the opposite. I thought he said, why are we sending all the Jedi to this one location because they're all attacking the same look they're all meeting to destroy this shield generator so i thought he was saying wouldn't it be better that they're more spread out if something were to happen to them uh oh that was objection is wasn't that what what it was yeah he says isn't

it risky committing three generals to one area of the attack right and he says if something were to go something goes wrong we were like that would be devastating yeah we could be we could be we could be dealt a serious blow kind of not committed to the Well, no, the thing is, it's, the plan seems to be land in three different places, then all walk into the same choke point. No. So, the plan, they're going to have the air transports. That's what it is. Look, I'm going to show you the picture.

The plan is. I need a whiteboard. Yeah, we do, we do need a, we need a whiteboard. They're each going to land at the top, the middle, and the bottom green thing, and then walk to the, this choke point together. Right after this, it shows, like, on the screen, it's the three ships and the little square. They're like, we're going to do, like, bombing runs on three different points or drop the tanks or whatever the fuck they thought that they were going to do. I see. I see. And then everybody's going to land. And the shield generator, they have no choice

but to go through that choke point. Right, right. But yeah. Well, that's not true. Because, because we know that they have flying things. They could absolutely land up on these plateaus and come in different directions. Can ships not fly through these shield generators? So Star Wars rules seem really shaky on this. Like remember, the implication on Hoth is that they couldn't even land with the shield up. They couldn't land troops directly on like Hoth's, the Echo Base's doorstep because the shields were up. So they needed to land farther away and get walkers through the shield and then build the Jenny.

I don't know why walkers can get through the shields. that fighter jets can't but sure maybe it's like it's like it's whatever i don't yeah i don't fucking maybe maybe yeah um anyway point is uh yeah so this this plan is they're going to have three aerial forces converging in in one landing zone but mundy also sort of acknowledges up front you know any one of us could sort of be brought down early in force to land And at which point, the guys who are at the rally point first just need to hold and wait for the rest of their forces to catch up. And that's the episode. It's going to be two of the forces are not going to make it to the rally point.

And one is going to be left kind of twisting just waiting for a rescue. I'm glad we had a lot to talk about in the last. I was like worried about this whole episode because I was like, are we going to have like even an hour of stuff worth to talk about? because that first episode, like, has some stuff, but like, do we have 30 minutes on that? Do we have an hour? What do we have on that? And this one is like, it's not a bad episode by any means, but all of the, all of the fighting that was not in the last episode, they put it in this one.

And it looks good, you know? It looks really good. Yeah. I will say that there's one shot that really stood out to me in one of the pilots, like one of the very first pilot sequences where the shot is over. the shoulder of one of the clones and you see like three separatists like I don't know like mini ships or many sort of droid thingies like coming down in front of that and that shot specifically was like okay this this is really good but but for the most part this is like the action sequence of whatever like war movie yeah want to put this to it feels so much like i mean even textually there's a lot of i can't believe we're back here we're going to really do this again and it feels so much like we're going to it's what rob's

been alluding to now for weeks which is like we're going to do this battle better we're going to and maybe the more meta goal is we're going to give you a full length look at what what does war look like on these fronts that we keep getting alluded to what does a full scale conflict between these two sides look like. What do losses look like? Let's try to be really dynamic with the camera work. Natalie, as you alluded to, a lot of these things feel pulled from, you know, war films, and that's extremely explicit. They made this episode, and then Lucas made them scrap it and remake it. And brought them footage from Battle of the Bulge, the longest day, Black Hawk down, saving Private Ryan. And then they cut a new. episode, like a temp episode out of stuff they'd already made, footage from those movies, footage from previous Star Wars movies, and then use that as a blueprint for a new episode. So somewhere there is a scrapped version of this episode where it's completely different or damn near. And I wonder if certain things like the kill count game would have been more central to the whole plot of what that original was in which Obi-Wan and Asoka are counting their kills, which happens multiple times in this. But like, it really feels stapled on to give some additional narrative container to the event. And levity. Yeah.

But like, Faloni specific, which is a weird thing when like this is an episode where like, people get burned alive, by the way. The guy who wins that, Kiyadi Mundi at the end of this is like, I got the most kills.

It's like, yeah, we saw you order people to get flamethrower to death. Like people, people, like not even the, even if the difference between a droid and the human might be, or, you know,

an organic might just be the droids don't feel pain. I would I would rather the flame thoris be used only on droids then because yikes it looks rough but yeah no and and you have like you have uh you know ob obi one crash landing and and the the the the the line he gives when he's discovered is it's like it's only me and clanker whoever the fuck still alive and like everyone There are a lot of clones right next to him, like, leaning over him and shit. It's just so much, like, gnarly clone death, so much gnarly genocin death. By the way, they call them bugs, which, again, were just instantly in wartime slur territory.

Also that, but also, these are not bugs. Oh. Oh, they're insects. These are insects. Sure. I see. You don't think they're round enough to be bugs? They're right on the line

I think that they I think Natalie's right Because it's more of the Tinti Ting instead of the What was it? No but remember when Pottle The Lesser was walking around With the cane in the last episode

He was being a little bug He was buggy That's the same type of people He's just an old Do you think that they're When they're young warriors They're insects And then when they become old

Yeah You know they're developing the bugs They soften up Yeah But when they're fucking Dropping Dropin Into the apex

When they picked that guy up And Chiadi Mondiages is like I can't do anything about this That is an insect Like I'm bringing up the flame throwers Like Yeah yeah yeah

Not pleasant But like when we are literally Being carried away by giant bugs In this cave network We've stumbled into I'm like Guys how much napalm do we bring Because I'm gonna need all of it

I just think maybe Yeah I don't know He looked like J.R. Smith out there When those guys are getting pulled away He was like What do I do with the ball? I don't know what to do it ball. Let me let the clock run out as my clones get dragged away. Like, you got a

lightsaber. He eventually does use it to like fight some people, but it takes him a couple minutes. There's a lot of bullets flying around though. Like he's, he's got his handsful. Anyway, but I think the, I don't know. Kiadi Mundi came off bad in this episode to me. I was ready. I was ready to be a Keati stand. He got the big head situation. I think they gave him kind of a very, um, a very generous redesign on his face shape. Like he has a face now instead of just the kind of bulbous head cone and I was ready to be a kiati stand and I just can't now. I mean, he just didn't really do, do my, like the one, one interesting line, I mean, the only the one interesting line that you get in the beginning of this episode is Obi-Wan saying,

what I'm worried about is the way this war seems to be drawing out with no end in sight. Like that was like, that was our morsel of the episode. There's another thing early on, which is that the genotians are fighting back themselves, and you get that exchange in which, what is the exact line? Does he mention Duku? To Duku, yeah. The resistance from the native genotians was stronger than we anticipated. The same can be said for their loyalty to count Duku, a fact often overlooked, which is really interesting because, again, it,

They see themselves as bringing freedom and democracy to these people. We've heard Asoka and Padma use that language before. That is the way in which this conflict is being framed. And so to see, you know, native populations, native, not even they didn't say like locals. They didn't say separatist loyalists or something. They said natives, the native geotions is, you know, that's where the resistance is coming from. And that's what, again, Rob, as you said at the beginning of the segment, across the galaxy, that seems to be happening. that pushback is not just troop deployments are happening new droids are landing its local populations are pushing back against the resist or against the republic and i think that's kind of juicy and interesting because it gets to what we've talked about a lot and i think it pays off something that so anakin and uh osoka come in uh sort of uh joshing grab assing about like their respective kill counts and so you have the dichotomy of

Obi-Wan's sitting there being like, I'm not sure, like, here in, among the Jedi Masters, they're sitting there and being like, I'm not sure we're making any progress. And again, we come up to, right up to the limit of, is our theory of this war correct? Like, are we actually winning this when we've, we've been doing the clear and whole thing? We've been driving the separatists out of these spaces, and now they're back, and it's all erupted in places we've already fought. And then you have the two younger, like, frontline combatants come in, and And they're like, I killed 50. I killed, you know.

And this is where these wars go. They, like, inevitably, when there is no strategic, coherent goal, you end up in body count territory because people do need some metric by which they judge success, so it becomes kill ratios. Well, and the thing that's so fascinating is they deploy it in this episode, which is the first that we've seen where the kills are against other organic people who the characters would recognize as people. We obviously have our droid theories and the way we need droids as people. But Anakin and Asoka and Waxer in Boyle and Khiadi Mundi think of Genotians as people. They don't think of them as just tools that you can, as walking guns.

And they're counting those kills in this mix. And that, I think, shows the shift you're talking about from what is the, why are we here, what are we fighting for to like how do we have a quick and easy measure of success that we can feel good about, which in the process dehumanizes the enemy as much as anything else. It's like the droid fingers. It's like the droid fingers. Except, yeah, are the clones going to come back with Geoenotion wings? Like, what are we getting?

You know, what are we not seeing at the end of this episode? Yeah. And it says a lot to me that they brought back the two fucking racist clones. Hell yeah. They're like, let's send boil and waxer out to on the advance for. Look, they're just, they're just our imperial grunts out there, you know, doing the dirty work. Yeah. And I do, yeah.

I was just going to say that, that speaking on the sort of, of, of, geonosen and clone death, there's a point at which two clones die right in front of Asoka, and her reaction to it is, I think, her and Anakin are at this point at the wall and are trying to like push in through this fortress and two clones die right in front of her and Asoka goes well this is a mess that's also the sequence where we get Rex telling one of the clones

to focus on the top of the wall which is where Anakin and Asoka are to help them kind of clear a path forward and not on the gun turrets that are part of the wall shooting down at them which obviously the mission is go blow up this thing

and they have the detonators they need to get in there but I think it's again a really fun illustration fun a really clear illustration of okay you're going to not shoot at the thing shooting back at you you're going to shoot at the obstacles

in front of our action heroes who are here to deploy the bomb right and that's what your mission is you're going to get shot at that's what you're here to get done. That is what you were here for. Yeah. Though I think it's less clear cut there because like those gun emplacements on the wall

sure look like shooting at them isn't going to do a whole lot. Like I think you see one blow up, but... Yeah, they blow it up. And then the order comes in. Don't shoot at those. Shoot at the top of the wall. Which is like, and that's not a, I don't think that that's a, I don't think that's intended as an indictment of Rex's leadership or anything. The state of the war is, what we do is we have action heroes who get the bomb and have to go score a touchdown with the bomb. I really want a tactics game that operates according to this logic where, like, there's

grunts and heroes. And, like, it's this sort of ruthless dichotomy of, hey, these guys have a role to play, but it's largely sacrificial. And it's about setting up plays from the small group of, like, X-com characters. Right, right. But I do want to say, though, like, I think the action is so... What if you can't control the Jedi? What if you can't control the Jedi in that game?

Oh, that's so funny. You all you have to, they get, they're going to do the thing that they have to do. You have to try to support them on their missions. It's deeply frustrating. You just have to move troops around to support whatever they're doing. That's great. No one would like that, but I think it would be very funny. So I do think that this episode looks terrific, like the action scene.

Like from the moment they begin the landing. And you sort of follow the ships in. The audio is incredible. the sound mix is awesome. It's spectacular shit. It is quoting a lot of war movies and it's sort of earning the comparison as sort of the

fighters sort of go in and then the transports go through and each of them is, you know, you mentioned those movies that Lucas sort of showed. It is kind of funny. To me, it does feel like they end up in three different war movies. You have the Black Hawk Down or We Were Soldiers thing

happening where Obi-Wan's force is the only one to break through the flak and they are forced to sort of crash land and immediate and they're also the only force that gets there with their infantry and tanks together and so all they can do is sort of form

the square and try to ride out the siege now that they're trapped in Mundi's the first to just bail out completely and he lands and you see that his whole idea is first we're going to try to take the tanks through but he ends up

having to literally, like, cut through anti-tank obstacles. And that's why he has to lead his guys into a Pacific Theater World War II movie or into Starship Troopers, where they go up into the caves. And then... Also, he says, at some point, his commander is like, so are you sure this is the right direction? And he says, no, I'm not sure, Commander. All I can do is trust my instincts. I was like, man, I'm about to order 66 this man. We're about to go in that cave

And oh no Something happened None of these guys could read a fucking map Not a single Jedi Was like prepared He's following his instincts Like you do when you're playing a video game And you're like I'm going the right way

Because there's enemies this way But like that All of these clones are dying Because of what you're doing Like if he had to when you get said that to me I'd be like wow I'm going to fucking die today That's my whole

I'm a clone and that's what I'm going to do today The whole like when they hear the wings And I'm like, uh-oh, what could this be? I don't know. Geonosis? Like, I was like, Wikipedia. Do you speak it? Motherfucker.

This whole thing is extremely, I am a side character. Like, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. I may as well go home. It's fucked up because Anakin calls out to Asoka and is like, didn't you, like, read the map before we got here? And she's like, yeah, I did the, like, fucking bullfork. shit intern assignment you made me do and told you that like

this is where the wall is and you didn't listen to me. And it's like, did all of these Jedi just like ask their intern Padawan to like just send over a little breakdown of the plan. Yeah, give me a one pageer on this. And no one read it.

Okay, nope. Here's comparison I would toss out. The person who actually seems to be good at command here is the professional soldier Euler. Because first, he's getting panicked requests for air support from a lot of clone troopers, and he's denying them. He's like, I can't do that.

But he's keeping, like, he says, what I can do is I can send a recon flight through, and that's going to locate where the other forces are. So he's, like, basically on his own, like, recognizance, taking responsibility for the big picture of this combat, because everyone is completely, like, head down and in

survival mode. And in the end, it's going to be that he has held back a reserve for one air strike. when they really need it and it's like none of the Jedi seem to have

this capacity to like plan or like keep the big picture in mind it's like they all turned into Asoka for this assault it's like

this is where she learned it like none of you are actually that good at this there's that one bit where Anakin is like tries to get Obi-Wan's help

or whatever and he's like the one time I ask for his help I'm like ask for his help more often ask him for help

I wrote that out because here's what I did like about that. It is an example of Anakin giving into his anger to manage his fear about like his friend. Yeah. Like he's clear a second later, he is terrified that Obi-Wan is dead in a transport somewhere. Yeah. But the way it comes out is that fucker. Of course he's not responding now that he needs help. And Assook is like, well, he could be hurt.

And Anakin's like, I know. I know. He could be hurt. We can't think that way. He can't be dead, all right? He's my dad. He's fine. And so, like, that's the, I do think, like, it is a good beat about the way Anakin processes the darker feelings, which is, like, he gets pissy.

Yeah. Yeah. I hope my warbro isn't dead. So I'm just going to be catty. I'm just going to be like, oh, well, gee, Obi-Wan, never here when I need him, except all those times he obviously is. Yeah, exactly. It's a running gag that we save each other's asses constantly. Yep.

Also, Obi-W-I, or I keep confusing. Anakin with the, I'm going to throw Rex off the top of the fucking ruled. It looked great. That shit rocked. No, everything there's ruled. Not of your Rex. It's a ask of a jump. Yeah.

I guess. If you're Rex, that shit sucks. And, like, why didn't Rex fall faster? Isn't he heavier than them with all the armor? Like, no, no. He was at hold. him up with the force while he was falling to his death. Get out of here.

No, no, no, no. They were just like, we're going to jump. We're going to throw Rex up and what happens to happen. Like, fuck that. Maybe he threw him very high up so it evened out. He did that math really quick. He's good at that. He's not good at remembering that a wall is actually not a wall, but is a fortress.

Explosion is right there. We all know how gravel here. Don't worry about it. You don't need to email us. Except for me. I'm sorry. Whatever. It's fine.

Listen. They're different. Their air resistance could have been different. I hear you. This is true. Maybe those Jedi robes, they're like, you'd think that'd be wingsuety. A bowling ball would fall faster than... Rob is leaving.

Rob is leaving the podcast. Is that not how great... Like, imagine you have like a small, like a penny. A penny would fall more slowly than a bowling ball. Isn't that shit? Is that not true? That's what weight is. It's how strong your gravitational pull is to the earth.

Right? Rob, can you just tell us? That's what pounds. It's a literal test. This is the classic test. This is how they... Uh-huh. What do they do?

I didn't take physics. What's heavier? A kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers. Right. But those are the same weight. So it's like a different weight. But we're in death, let me turn. But we're literally doing Galileo, like, experiments here, yes.

Penny to a bowling ball. Baseball to a bowling ball. We'll do same, same sphere. Uh-huh. Bowling ball. That's an important, that's an important, uh-huh. Bowling ball is going to hit the ground faster because it weighs more. No, it will not.

It won't. It will not. Now, in reality, because of air resistance, they might hit at different times. They will. But much closer than you might think. Yes. well fine but there's still the explosion so fuck that if i'm rex i'm writing someone somewhere someone somewhere should probably climb a tower and drop some things off of it

maybe like we could do it in a famous tower we could do it in a fake like the leading tower of pisa that way it's like oh wow cool tower this is yeah i will say Rex is a fucking badass Like yes Do Anakin and Asoka Do the cool thing with the fucking Grap Noles and they're Batman heroes And they're going up

And they kick a lot of ass yes But when the um What are the Roli Polly's called? I always forget Destroyer Deroids or Droidekas Droidca's Yeah Yeah when they come up and they're like

They completely have Anakin Like and Asoka dead to rights And oh shit they didn't see Rex show up And he just executes that motherfucker Yeah And it's like Rex does they have, like, you know what, maybe you should leave the Clone War to the Clown. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Also, the clones have sick armor, or some of them do. I guess Caddy Mundies have, like, the desert design on them in this one. I like the colors. A lot of dudes had desert armor now. It's a mix, though, right? It's not. Because you still have to know which ones are the principals. Yeah, but some of them are just straight, I don't know.

All the dudes in the transports that are going with the Jedi are in, like, digital camo. and camo colors. And so, like, my guess is, like, it's a bit like, that's light infantry. That's, like, special forces or just a better formation. And then, like, dudes in the white armor, that's, like, kind of just line infantry. Or maybe they've hit a point where they can start kidding out mission by mission, which is partly progression in the Republic's war effort and partially progression in the show's budget. Yes, that's a huge thing, right?

We can put these guys in camo. The fact, this is one of the things that Philoni does say, basically, again, he compares, he basically says that, like, one, the episode directors are, are incredible. The fact that they, that they make any episodes are incredible. And he's like, I shout them out a lot. I shout the, you know, the artists out a lot. I shout the storywriters out a lot. But I need to shout out the production crew on this because the fact that we recut this whole episode. episode and like basically made a second one is like honestly remarkable. Um, uh, he says, everybody had to knuckle down and deliver it on this and they did. I still don't know how they did it. Uh, there is no one way to make a Clone Wars episode. And that's, and that's when he gets into like the way we did this was they filed an episode, then we remade it. Um, he also compares himself to Darth Vader and Lucas to the emperor. Um, he says, what you see is that what the story was originally about. George said this was going to be a D-Day attack on.

Geonosis, we thought we had it working to a pretty good point, and George started watching it, and all of a sudden, there was a tremendous amount of work to do. Remember that scene in Return of the Jedi, where Darth Vader comes to the Death Star at the very beginning? I'm kind of like the Darth Vader of the show, I will admit. And the episode directors are sort of

like Moff Jair Girard, who is the person who was overseeing the Death Star. And then George comes in, the Emperor comes in, and completely destroys our Death Star. We built a new Death Star, a whole whole other episode, a new episode within the schedule, and then continues from there. That's not what happens in that movie, by the way.

The Emperor does not destroy the Death Star, but I get what he's saying in terms of, you know, in terms of the internal hierarchy, I guess. So I am just dying to know, though. Did Lucas save this episode or did you just fuck with it? Yeah, I'm so curious. This episode hinges on the action being good, and it is extremely good. It's very dynamic. The cameras are following vehicles a lot.

There's that one shot of the Genocean on the biker or on the bike, the speeder bike, that's really good. I really have the opening shot of the Y-wings taking off of the ship and doing some barrel rolls down into the atmosphere. And the lighter looks great all the way.

Yeah. As they're entering the flak territory, one of the clones is like, thank God these, you know, these geonosons can't hit shit. And then their ship is ripped in half and dudes are like sucked out of, and maybe this is the thing.

Lucas wanted to quote different things than they did. They might have just been like, okay, he wants saving private Ryan. That's exactly. It's like, no, he wanted episode two of Band of Brothers. He wanted, yeah, he wanted Blackhawk down all this other shit. Yeah. Which is a classic, right?

Because going back to a new hope that is filled with World War II dogfighting film being reused as the model for all the, you know, shooting tie fighters down from inside the Millennium Falcon is like shooting down, incoming, you know, zeros and stuff on big American bombers, right? Also... So it's classic. It's standard. This is what Lucas has been doing since Star Wars, you know? Yeah. But I also wonder if there's also an element of

just needing it to feel a little bit more like contemporary warfare. Like I was... Yeah. I was watching... I did a show on Gladiator with Troy Goodfellow or things that had, like, last month. And one of the things in the commentary of Gladiator is like that entire weird battle where the Romans are shooting fire arrows and like there's tons of like high explosive catapults which isn't really a thing back in like the first century maybe but nevertheless like you've got all this shit and Ridley Scott is there on the commentary being like well you know I was really inspired by all this footage I'd just seen of Gulf War I and I was really trying to like make it feel like a bit of World War I and a bit of like fighting in the Persian Gulf and that makes no sense for a movie set

in Roman times but it's kind of this challenge of filmmakers of you're trying to create the sense of well war is always war what feels like war to audiences and so here we've got helicopter salt troops landing you know in the middle of the desert yeah

totally and then yeah it all works out the three like the square that Obi-Wan's forces have, you know, cut out, it's collapsing, and Anakin and Mundy break through in the nick of time, Anakin calls in a danger-close airstrike you Lauren's been holding in reserve, and they win, and then they have a really rapid, like, assault to the Genoson main line of defense that this whole thing has been about. And it's pretty easy. Like,

compared to the rest of the episode, the assault on, like, the main, like, genocen fort, it's It's just matter of getting... Yeah. Yeah. Throw some droid poppers up there and then march your tanks in. One, one, two, three. You're done. Yep.

Very RTS logic. You put the hero characters up with special abilities and you have them like toss the disabling attack and then you can move in your heavies. Yeah. As soon as they wipe out the shield generator too, all of the geonosins, you have the scene of like, you know, everyone like disembarking the ships and stuff like that, pulling up on a group of geonosons that were holding the shield generators and they just immediately surrender um which is curious to me because i feel like the whole episode was communicating just

the sheer number of geonosin soldiers that were overwhelming the um the republic fighters and once I guess maybe this was like a smaller defense line that just was kind of left within the shield and within the shield or like next to the shield generator or something. But it was surprising to me like how quickly they just kind of like drop their weapons and surrendered. I think what I like about that is it kind of, it makes clear these are not mindless bugs that are going to fight to the death like insects. Like the minute these dudes see like, hey, there's.

no point in continuing to fight this out, they just throw down their arms. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Gets us out of the territory of like Starship troopers where it's like, hey, just like, you know, light these fuckers on fire because they're giant like hive-minded bugs. Like here, they're all like, nope, no point in this anymore. That's a wrap. And these guys have a different vibe where it's like the, the guys flying around with their little bug wings and like carrying clone troopers off, you get a sense that like they're good at that. These guys who their job is to.

like aim the big guns or make sure the generator is still operating like they're not built to take on a clone army like once the once the siege guns are gone they're like hey i just work here what do you think the uh the clones in the gunship think as kiadi mundi is like and i killed 65 as like literally in the background of that scene other clones are being rushed onto um like into medical care onto, you know, hover. What are they called? What are the things you put people on to move them around? Why am I blanking on this?

Oh, a gurney? Stretchers? A gurney or, yeah, yeah. On to like hover gurneys. And meanwhile, Keatty Mundi is like, and I killed 65. That beats both of you. It's only five more. Like, they were, like, if I was.

Do you think that those clones are being like, damn, 65? Or are they like, are you for real? I would be like, we lost 65 today. You think they think it's awesome? Really? It's got to be a minute. There's some clones out there who are also keeping this count, right? Wax or boil or 100% counting kills, right?

Yeah, that's true. And also like, I think the Jedi are like quarterbacks of a football team. And some of them are pricks and maybe their team doesn't like them. But in a lot of cases, people are like, man, I love this dude because he gets, he gets, he gets those dubs he's so good at this and like yeah a bunch of us got stretched it off and are fucked up in a million different ways like did you see the throw that guy made and that's the Jedi and I think and I am curious as the show goes along this war is still in its early stages we've seen some flavors of like combat fatigue setting in like clones starting to like get fed

up but I do think by and large the clones are like yeah but my Jedi's all right the war The war is very bad. My Jedi commander is very good. With the causes of the war. Important thing about that last scene is Obi-Wan getting him like gingerly like toss to each, well, like handed to each person.

First, he's on Kiani Mundi's arm and then he gets put onto Rex's and then Anikins. And I was like, oh, look at him. Everybody gets an Obi-Wan hug. Aw. also there was really good nose art there there was like nose art of like a fish person there's like some sort of fish monster shark guy in the background did you catch someone that's a clone with the with a oh yeah yeah like a scythe looking like the grim reaper there's also the

big clone face on um another bad hiari mundi line when um the general's like good luck and he's like there's no such thing as luck you can't just say thanks like what the fuck is wrong with you just say thanks yeah it also did you not just see we're going into an aerial assault through a cloud yeah there's gonna be luck there's luck there's chance dude you know what i mean you know what i mean like i'm just being nice like fuck off are you for real yeah i'm not giving you that i'm just take a bullet for this guy for real for him big head okay Shit. Why don't you fuck off back to Corrassette with one of a million wives?

Yes, as a reminder, Kiadi Mundi has like eight wives. But it's okay because he's in dangerous species. That's correct. He's a fuck permission to sleep. Oh, my God, this is the Kiyadi Mundi. Oh, my God. Yeah, dude. What's the fuck.

This is the guy who has a bunch of wives. He got the special. He got the permission. the Yoda permission slip. You can knock up all of them except the one he really likes. Yeah, right. There's one he actually loves

and he's not allowed to be... Is that true? I don't know. I think he's allowed to... No, I think she just can't. I think that's the issue. I think none of them can. That's the whole thing

with the whole species, right? Is that it's rare? Or is it just men are rare? What's the... I think the species is just endangered and... But maybe men are rare. Because otherwise, you wouldn't need

Mundy to have, like... Here's his wife. I'm going to send you. you i'm gonna send you the wife he's his bond wife that he really loves i'll put this in i should put this in general before here we go there she is water and a plant she's cute she's nice just that's having a good that's the fave yeah she's cute is there a picture of all of them like together i don't know let me see if i can find that would be awkward no they i bet they This is like the whole thing.

We're hot as hell. Here's the next one. So that one is Shea, S-H-E-A. This one is Mauin, M-A-W-I-N. I got to know what's going on in this comic book page. This is the same situation. Also, they grow hair on their cone hats. Like, he does too.

It's at the very top, right? He is like a ponytail situation. I think he just has kind of like a, like he just keeps it. it clean on the size and just, you know. Right. Damn, his daughter is wild. Let's see.

This is Sylvan, S-Y-L-V-N. Huh. She's looking like, she's looking like, you took Spock and just like, bo-it, lift that head up higher. While you're Googling,

are there any pictures of Kiyadi Mundi with the Padawan braid? Because I'm curious about that. The young Chi-I. Oh, yeah. I just want to see that as well. Personally. I don't...

We have him before... We have him pre-Padawan. We got a little kiati here. I'll put all these in the show notes. There he is in the bottom left. Oh. He was wearing his whole shit like a ponytail. Just the pole.

Just like a top knot, like shaved all around. I guess his dad was probably too with that, but his dad also has a whole beard situation. It's unbelievable. He's making it work, you know? Yeah. Yeah, this is the whole crew. You know, you don't think, what kind of canvas could a sideburn be if your head was three feet tall?

Yeah. And it turns out the Sistine Chapel of sideburns is Chiadi's dad. And the fingers touch at his chin. We should note that I don't think any of this shit is canon anymore. I think you get rid of all this shit because a lot of it, I think we've mentioned this before, is that he had been written with wives or he'd been written with a love interest with a wife and then the prequels

like actually hit and were like oh yeah you're not Jedi aren't allowed to have attachments and so they retroactively had to be like well why does he have a wife and they're like well he got a permission slip so because of the endangered cone head act yeah

yeah so the episode ends with Mundi and Obi-Won basically being withdrawn and Luminar is going to be stepping to the four she was in this episode briefly

basically to be like let me know when you guys are going to take this assault landing seriously classic Luminar the Lisa Simpson of the Jedi

being like I guess I will do the thing you know if you all are incapable of it and so we're going to get more of that as we go along also I'm real curious the way I remember this is

at the end I felt ambiguous whether or not they just genocide of the Ginoisons we'll find out I hope they don't I hope not for the Ginoes's sake I also hope that but Mina hopes that she's being really bad

Mina's like Mina's got some thoughts about this You can just hand me a bully We're almost done just hand me a bully stick And if I just hold it That'll be enough Yeah she's like yeah she's like yes this is good I'm getting attention and I'm getting a treat

and so this is like better than okay we're doing a dental chew instead of a bully stick because sometimes the richness of the bully stick can be a lot sets her tummy yeah sure that makes sense all right

so we're going to deal with the rest of the genos and arc in the next episode and also the fallout from that I think there's an all-timer that we're coming up on brain invaders which despite the like Camp 50s like matinee sci-fi title

fucking rules and I think was the episode where I was like I need to talk about the call of course like I think this is a rich text I'm excited There's also the return of a character that we once talked about before already I mean obviously Luminar

but also Luminar is Padawan Barris Offi who Ali you read about in the med tech book or whatever. So there she is. She's coming back. Yeah. All right.

So we'll be back for the rest of the genosis arc. I forget, are Patreon backers getting one before that drops? They just, did they just get one? Did we just record one? Where are we at? I don't remember.

I'm pretty sure we're doing the next episode and then the Q&A should be on the last. three. Yes. Our next Q&A will then be Cover all of the

genosis stuff plus CAD. No, that's it probably, right? Or will it be? We didn't talk about Cadbane

the last Q&A, right? Or do we? Should we did? I don't think we did. No. This is what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah.

Because the Cadbane episode just dropped. Right. The Cadbane episode just dropped. No, we talked about bio weapons. Right.

Yeah, we talked about NUvo. Yeah. That means it's a big. It's a big Q&A. Is this just because the way the months stacked up that we're getting a weird artifact of... I think so. And because this is a two podcast episode arc.

Normally, we wouldn't have this split arc situation because this coming, this current one is also the next regular main feed episode that we're dropping. That's causing us a little extra. So the Genosis Arc plus Cadvane. send in your questions send in your questions Rich Potter for a good epic Q&A so be sure and hit us up

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so yeah until the next episode as always rate and review us on the podcast platform of your choice and we're going to find out whether or not there's any geonosians left alive once the Jedi are through with them. I don't know. I'm going to be.

I'm going to be able to be.