A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 20: The Boba Fett Arc (Clone Wars 42-44)

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

Finally, we've come to the end of The Clone Wars Season 2. And, appropriate for a season subtitled "Rise of the Bounty Hunters," we do so with a trio of episodes about future fan favorite hunter Boba Fett (co-starring Aurra Sing and Bossk, two other fan favorite mercs). It's an imperfect arc in many ways, but it succeeds in at least one important metric: getting us to talk for too damned long about them. In any case, some news before you get to the episode: We'll be taking a break for our next scheduled episode and returning on October 6th, with our normal monthly Patreon episode going live on September 29th (so get your questions in to [e-mail]). NEXT TIME: Episodes 45 - 46 ("Clone Cadets" and "Arc Troopers" Show Notes Fallen Clones: CT-411 a.k.a. "Ponds"

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Clone Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakeney, joined by Ali Akampura, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. For Boba Fett, the day Mace Windu decapitated his father before his eyes and held his severed head in his hands and gazed in the black abyss of its visor was the most important day of his life. But for Mace, it was Tuesday. For us in the expanding universe of Star Wars, however, that moment is becoming more pivotal all the time. And here at the end of the second season of Clone Wars, we find the series tipping its hand about some of the other gaps that's going to be filling in between Star Wars' first two

trilogies and laying some groundwork for further endeavors in the new Canon EU. After a few lackluster episodes of late, the series is concluding its second season with an exciting arc around Boba Fett's bloody juvenile attempt at revenge. We begin with Death Trap, in which a junior clone cadet class field trip proves the perfect opportunity for a tween-age Boba-Fet's assassination attempt on Mace Windu, as well as giving us a fascinating glimpse at clone education. When the surgical strike goes wrong, Boba decides to blow up the entire ship, but the bloody consequences of that decision and the treachery required begin to tell on.

on the boy's conscience. By the end of this episode, Boba Fett will be reunited with his mercenary mentors, Ores Singh, and Bosque, but his convictions won't be as firm as they were at the start. Let's get into this episode, gang, because I think it moves in parts, and I think the first half of it is really filling in some questions we've asked about, like, hey, where do clones come from? Questions we asked like yesterday, like questions we just talked about. We're just asking this.

Uh-huh. How do we like the answers? Hmm. You know, sometimes you ask a question and then you get an answer and you're like, I didn't need to ask that question. I didn't need to know this answer. You didn't need to see the Boy Scout troop? You didn't need to see the, no? I don't know.

I mean, is it that different to what I had envisioned in my brain of what, their youth is what a clone's youth is probably like no did i like seeing it on screen no but you know you didn't like the like preppy tryhard jacks trying to immediately become the commander of all the boys now uh yeah i really didn't like it uh when he immediately started the uh fucking brotherhood uh you know uh brainwash uh technique Didn't sit well with me Troopers are only as strong as the trooper beside him I'm always saying this

I'm always saying this I was sort Go ahead Rob No you go ahead I was sort of taken aback by what little shits they were Like the thing that Of course they're little shits No but the thing is

If you look at like the finished product You're like man the clones really are All for one one for all in ways But in this intermediate phase It definitely seems a lot more of like visions of the Spartan education of young Spartiates where like they're basically feral they're just absolute like they're absolutely ruthless and cruel to each other like there's this whole right again this is also not entirely unique to like ago gay type education

like this is also the world of children versus adults right like all these little fuckers do a good job of presenting a uniform front when they're elders are around, but within that little world, there's a nasty little packing order, and they're constantly probing for weakness and competing. And I was sort of surprised by, like, how ecocentric the clone children are, given how much of the program seems to be about quashing ego. And that's the part that kind of intrigued me is, like, before you see the finished product, they go from the VAT to basically being a little infant terrible.

Yeah. I mean, I think there's a certain degree of, like I recognize, I think their dynamics with each other definitely sets them apart. But there's a certain degree to like their thirst for proving themselves. They're like eagerness to battle and like to be an action that aligns very well with what we've seen from Asoka in her, like, general attitude, like, this, like, big confidence in herself as, like, a soldier, a fighter, a commander, et cetera. And I think I recognize a lot of that in a lot of the clones, but I think definitely the troop dynamic is, uh, sets them apart.

And we don't really see, we've gotten very little, we've had very few examples of, like, Padawans, like with other Padawans. We had the one with, you know, what's her name, it's Padawan, but that was very short-lived. But we don't have, like, as much of, like, a larger group dynamic to see in the Jedi world. But, yeah, I mean. I can only imagine those little, like, kids gnarcing each other out about, like, Is that a circle looks more elliptical to me? I'm actually shocked that there are a couple of times where Boba Fett, aka Lucky,

sneaks away to go do his dark business. And at no point does anyone rat him out for not being in line. Whoever was like standing right next to him in the like the two by two line, that person tight-lipped. You know what I mean? You can trust that person, not a snitch. A bunch of times I thought it was going to break bad on Boa. It did not.

well yeah if you're setting up that like competitive dynamic you're it was almost like we're waiting for this turn um like this like animosity within the group to reach like some sort of like event but it doesn't really happen i have a question for y'all did you guys know when did you guys figure out that it was boba before the show just tells you like did like did the coin drop or the hair was pretty it was a pretty good tell i would say yeah he had protagonistic hair um the the i i i already knew it was roba fat because i'd watched a future episode featuring dengar that nova fed his stars in but also the the quote was who my father was matters less than my memory of him which is kind of which is not a typical like your truth is your truth like the classic opening to clone wars episode quote like this is like oh no we're in we're somebody is saying this Somebody specific is saying this. It's making me wonder, has this been Boba Fett the whole time?

Because, like, they're never very mature. They're always a little bit detached with the actual situation. Like, Boba Fett's getting the log line of the episode. It was an origin story the entire time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also thought it, this is a tangent. I thought it, yeah, go ahead, yeah. I thought it was interesting.

interesting that the intro to the episode, like before we see anything, we get a repeat of the scene in which, like, several clones are being carried out on gurneys, like, in the battlefield or whatever. We've seen that. That was the setup to the... Oh, it's been used like four times. Yeah, it gets, I guess it gets used a lot. I remember it specifically from an episode we watched recently that I'm forgetting now. No, it's for the clone, the bill to get more clones put out. Yes, yes, exactly. Basically, they used that clip from G&Os as 2. They used that clip multiple times to be like,

and the war is not going well, and we're on a budget. So, yeah, which is also how documentaries work. Like, if you watch a Vietnam documentary, you will see the same soldier being carried aboard a helicopter. Like, you've seen that same footage like a million times. Right. Because it's just like the B-roll. So the Clone Wars has generated its own military history B-roll,

where it's like, okay, how do you use this? Well, you use this footage from the Second Battle of Geonosis. The other thing that jumped out of me, in addition to like, sort of the creepy, ruthless competition among the clones, again, I maybe shouldn't have been so surprised. But the training these kids were given was really mean. Like, when they go to the gunnery drill and they're shooting the little, like, skeet. Yeah. And it's like, hey, kids, you want to work the turbo laser battery? And they're like, yay!

And they, like, run to the gunner's seat. And then, like, the kid gets one shot. They're like, you know, pull. Skik goes out, kid misses, whiffs cleanly. He's like, let me try again. I'm like, fuck you, kid. You think the, you think the sepies are going to let you try again? You get one shot at this.

And then they're like, get off the gun. You're not a gunner. And I was like, God. damn this is vicious I'm not even sure there's a point like you probably want to for training purposes

you probably want to give people more than one shot Why are they on board It's a field trip Yeah so it's like This isn't their training This is their like You fucked up at the carnival

Right like Presumably they're gonna go back to base They're gonna go back to Camino And get on a simulator And that kid's gonna like I really gotta get better At being on turbo laser you know a shooter

but this is their like one shot to show off in front of Jedi and admirals and whatever which like maybe does that develop because the thing to think about is like okay they're like a few years away from adulthood they look like they're 10 but they're like in five years they will be on a battlefield

according to the timeline that they're supposed to have right because it takes 10 years to generate a clone right so are they hoping that this admiral will be like And he was real good on the turbo laser. Let's get him assigned to my ship. Like, is this an opportunity? This is like being like, uh, scouted by a college.

You know what I mean? It is. Because the, because after fucking Boba Fett hits his marks, they're right. They're immediately like, let's watch that one. Literally. You let's say that. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a college coach going to a high school game and be like, you know what?

Yeah, let's keep eyes on that one. Oh my God. I just had. Okay, you want some Zachny lore? Always. Yes, always want to act me, Laura. So, I went to, so West Point does this thing, or they used to, where, like, interested students who fit certain criteria were, like, invited to attend, like, a week's training at West Point. And I went.

And, again, this is the whole, like, path not taken where, like, there's a version of my life where I end up going to the military. Academy and graduating in 2006 and probably sent somewhere very dangerous for no good reason so I'm very glad my life took the other way but yeah part of that was yeah it was that kind of thing where it was a week of like here's the cool shit you do with the United States Military Academy let's do let's get in tank simulators for instance and it was it was stuff like that where it was a little bit like if you did stuff

that like impressed the instructors they were they like sort of like hey what's your name okay like hey would you be interested in like being part of the you know the armored branch it seemed like it was stuff like that and it was sort of it did sort of have that vibe and I remember

I ended up getting into it with another like junior cadet because he couldn't read a fucking map and I was like if you send the tank blue down that hill they're going to get fucking destroyed we need to loop around this is we need to do a flank attack and he was like i'm taking i'm taking my my division down that hill and i was like fine i'm taking mine behind the ridge line that is clearly the correct path of attack you do what you want um and he had immediately his entire unit was wiped out in seconds like it was they never

even like knew what was happening uh and meanwhile but i was just like they're a distraction That is a distracting frontal attack, and my unit is going to come around from behind and just blow the fuck out of the enemy, who are also other cadets. And after that, yeah, no, I do remember, like, I don't know if it was an instructor or faculty or whatever, but I do remember at the end of that, like, pulling me aside and being like, yeah, a lot of people, like, don't pay attention to details. Like, that was some good commanding. And the fact that, like, you sort of scouted the path ahead was also, like, good instincts. And it was all very much like, hey, you seem like you're good at war. You want to go be good at war with the people I like to work with. And it was like, do I?

Gee, this isn't what I saw for myself at all. But now, I think I want to be a tank commander. I'm six feet tall. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. That's exactly the vibe, though. That is what this field trip has to be. And it's fascinating that we saw our, maybe one of the first older clones, question mark.

Like, the guy leading this, like, cadet squad was a visibly aged clone. Was he? So this is, like, M.K. was certain of that. Like, M.K. was, like, that guy's a clone. I couldn't be Like the voice was different His Like Killian

No not Killian No no no no no no The first dude with the like side hair The ball dot top The guy's leading them down the hallway Mm-hmm He's not Okay okay not not

Yeah not Killian Not the Scottish guy is Yeah Killian is not I can see the I can see where you Where MK got there But he's not I don't think

I don't think I don't mean so either He seems like Old Navy or whatever Not old Navy You like the performance fleas Yeah Before old performance fleas yeah

But like Traditional Navy Yes Yes yes yes Old Republic Navy before Before clones Yeah Yeah

I have a thing here Which is I'm gonna send you two images You're gonna tell You can tell me what you think I'm My reaction to this moment These moments were What do you think I'm interested in

in these images. I didn't just read to anybody but me. No. These kids are white. Look at that first image and compare all of the clone skin color to all of the kid's skin color. They are white. They have rosy undertones. They have wavy, Auburn hair.

The clones have black hair. This show gave us a bunch of little white boys. It's all over this episode. It's so uncomfortable and weird to me that they couldn't conceive of giving us little brown boys. Or they just didn't think the Hitler youth thing would read if you made them all brown, I guess. Maybe, but they're clones. They're the same. It's wild to me that it's unrem—

and it's not remarked upon basically anywhere else, but go back and watch this episode with this in mind and look at the way that they're, and, you know, is it a quirk of lighting in certain scenes at this? Like, maybe, but they're in a lot of scenes with grown clones where the skin color difference is very clear. And it's, you know, you can't, you can't jump to question, or you can jump to question, but you can't jump to a scribe intentionality, but it is at the very least a big, a big myth. a big fumble for me, that, like, this is one of the most important characters of color in Star Wars, a franchise that has, you know, dangerously few characters of color. I mean, this is the thing that, God, who was it? Was it, was it, why am I blanking on his name? Tim were a...

No, no, no, no. Carl Sagan pointed this out decades ago when he went on some talk show. Someone asked him what he thought about Star Wars. And he's like, I think it's really weird that everyone not only looks like us, but is white in the world of that Luke and Leah and Han and like all of the heroes of this world are all white people when like the majority of humans aren't white people. And like this is not, Star Wars is too white is not a new critique to bring. And if this was a mistake, they should have been more careful. But like all of the hair styles, all, and you know, Maori people can have wavy hair and can have hair that is. more brown than dark, more brown than black, but all of the clones who have natural hair color have black hair. And it's just like, it was such a, it completely floored me that they

made this decision aesthetically. Or for me, like, it represented who was making, it suggests who was making artistic decisions to have someone who didn't even think that this could be a way to read this. And when you're, when you are specifically, to kind of zoom out and say, well, why does that matter. We all know that they're clones of Django Fett, who is a character of color. We know that they'll grow up to look like the clones. When you're telling a certain sort of story, you have to think about the ways in which you're framing that story and how you want to elicit emotions. This trilogy is a trilogy about the soul of Boba Fett. This trilogy is like, what is at stake here? Will Boba Fett grow up to be a good guy or not? Which is a very funny to

frame when you know who Boba Fett is. And I think it speaks to Faloni's long-term goals for Boba-Fet, now seen in the Mandalorian, right? That it starts here with, like, Boba Fett, you know, comes from an honorable line, which we'll get there in a couple of episodes. On this episode, but a couple of episodes of the Clone Wars. And when you, when the way that you want to frame that is like, you know, the heart of a young white boy is a very specific tool that is deployed in American media.

And when it's like this poor little boy has gotten caught up in forces bigger than him, the way that that story gets told and the way that it isn't told and the way that it isn't shown can be very shaping in the natural narratives that we fall to in our lives. There's not like a one-to-one direct correspondence here. But it's a bummer. It's a bummer that they weren't more thoughtful about this at the very least. And I wish they had done better. I mean, the fact that it's It's not just Oh, we made all of the Mandalorian

People white Right, I forgot about that previous conversation I literally did Because we are here To set, you know, set the stage like, you know, clean slate, we can do whatever we want and we chose to make every single one of them white

This is like arguably worse than that Because you're taking characters of color, like established characters of color, and then for some reason, portraying them in their youth as white, like white or white passing? At the very least, much, much, at the very least white passing, yeah, exactly. For, I think if you, if you took a picture of Jacks with his little Superman, Clark Kent, like, uh, hair curl and just showed that someone who doesn't know who that is, I truly

believe nine out of ten people would say that's a little white kid. Yes. Like, you know? I think, um, it's really good point. I mean, the hair color difference is like, is like pretty inarguable. Like that, that is a very solid, like, you could say with skin, maybe the lighting effect was like hitting, hitting differently because they're like, yeah. I mean, to be like, a thing that, like, there's points in this episode, I think about in a lot of episodes where Mace shows up where I'm like, they don't like that skin. like they do not know how to like that doesn't look like Samuel Jackson at all and that's just a style like stylistic way but like there is a pallidness to his skin that I'm like you don't know what you're doing like it's it's like corpse window in so many of these scenes my dude is ashy as hell in a way that he would not he would take better care of his skin but like I think this does sort of highlight like you pointed this out Austin is like I mean this didn't read as like this didn't read to me as even particular

particularly notable because I think I suffer from a similar blind spot where it's like yeah white to fall yeah I don't like does it occur to me that's a choice I'm like no it's a little like Hitler Youth Brigade like and I'm like cool got it they're a bunch of little kids the fact that they're like presented as being a different ethnicity than the character they're all supposed to be like clones of doesn't come screaming off the the frame to me but I do wonder did it even occur to the animators that they're making a choice or is that so like look at the I just dropped another screencast in. It's just, they're literally in the background. You can see the tonal, because they've done a good job on the clones. Their skin is like, is actually a kind of a beautiful shade of ochre, right? Like, and in the foreground, these three lost little white boys, it's funny. It's terrible, but it's like, it's, it's, it's shocking to me. And it wasn't, this isn't like the biggest thing I've written about this episode. But it's just like, if you're listening and didn't see this, go back and look with this in mind. I'm begging. you and think about how this happens.

It's fine. I think often, like, I'm not sure the, um, like, also the, uh, like, color of the grown clones also doesn't read as strongly to me. Um, right, uh, yeah. Where, like, but again, like, here in this shot, I think it also kind of highlights, so I think we're talking about with Mace. I think there is also something about the way a lot of scenes are lit, particularly as like in some of these more gloomier episodes that does sort of apply this um again like a bit

of like a slightly grayish sheen to a lot of things like where you get the gamma adjusted weirdly and so it does make that stuff scan a little bit weaker uh to me but it is well now i can't unsee it uh-huh dude that and the latest thing that i just dropped in i think is even more clear because you see the you see the range there and you can see them in light and shadow That's what I'm saying. Like, it's Jimmy Neutron, motherfucker. It literally is. This motherfucker looks like Sid from Toy Story.

It's what I'm saying. It's wild. Anyway. This is a name I haven't heard in years. It is worth thinking about this going forward, especially in relation to the question of Mandalorian race. For people who are not part of our Patreon, we got a question in our last Q&A segment that was about, like, hey, why were all the new Mandalorian characters white as fuck?

given that the Mandalorians, the one Mandalorian on, or the two, I guess, that are on film, are Maori actors, or a Maori actor plays Boba Fett as a grown adult in Mandalorian and also plays Django Fet in the prequel trilogy. And in fact, there is also, and I did not know this, that there is another actor who also plays a clone in the prequels. I had to look this up recently, who plays a younger clone briefly in the prequels who is also Maori. I forget, I don't have his name up in front of me right now. But I think it's a, I'd have to pull up my Wikipedia or my Wikipedia history. But yes, so it's like this is, this is who that character is. And yet here we are, you know, again. Bodie Taylor is the name of the other actor.

So you can look that up. So going to go back to the action of the episode, we start to realize that like Bob is up to something because he begs off and sort of breaks. We got a brief aside of like the Jedi introduced. This happens earlier, but the Jedi introduced themselves and they're like, we're going to, you know, give you the big grand tour later. but first we got to do some war shit so sorry we can't spend time with you just yet but Boba begins searching for Mace's quarters

aboard this cruiser and we also get a little you know you brought up the no snitching policy among the young clones that extends to it's interesting here the and this is what I think begins to tell on Boba's conscience the clones are cool The clones are cool with each other

They're fundamentally like It is a ship full of uncles Cool uncles Who know when you're up to something But they don't presume you're up to something really bad They know he's not where he's supposed to be And he makes up a bulls An obviously bullshit story

About Needing to deliver a message He's bringing a message To Master Windo Which is just a ridiculous like lie Absolutely Yeah I need to go talk to the most important person on this

ship. Me of 10-year-old definitely has something important to deliver. Top 10 most important people in the galaxy probably. Probably. It's like Toyota Palpatine

the most important hut probably some of the Duku Anakin. New Gunray Top 10 They all knew him.

They all knew him. strongest Jedi. Okay, he's in the top ten. But he ain't making decisions out here. No, no, no. He will become top five. Sure. I guess this is like actual importance versus public opinion.

Right. But either way, no child is going to be the courier to like got to bring something to his private state room aboard this worship. And the clones, like, you're lying. And you see like the bottom drop. out from under bova. The clones do know he's full of ship, but they just assume it's the usual, like, minor infractions that they all exist

in, where it's like... What do they think he's going to go do? I really want to know. Do you think they're here on a fucking field trip. He's not here on a mission? Like, he's like, I've been dispatched. I'm doing communique. I've been dispatched to General

Master Mace Windows. No, you haven't. You're going to the Magic school bus is in position and awaiting your orders. Mace has a phone. When we come back to him walking into his apartment, he's like looking at Twitter. Like he was like head down. They would have just texted him. They would have put a call out.

The ship has speakers probably. Yeah, like Mace Windu to the main like deck please. Bye bye. This kid just wants to go get an autograph. You're right. Say, you know, thank you for your service to Mies Windu. You're right. That's it.

They send him on his way, and he sets up a little explosive tripwire at Mace's door. We get a little bit of a head fake of Mace almost stepping into it, but getting called to the bridge by Anakin. Over the thing that they would use if they needed to call him and tell her something. And instead, Mace is like, hey, you clone, here's something I want you to go put in my room. Clone sets off. And we have the first indication there's a saboteur aboard the ship. Clones dies. The clone blows up and dies.

I think they might need that Zillow Beast armor after all. Yeah. Yeah. Where's the timeline on that? Like, how's the progress coming on Zillow Beast armor for the clones? Waiting to see how that's coming along. I got to say I had to remind myself

what the beef is here because I was like this kid really has it out for Mace like what's good with him and Mace like what's happening so I had to go back and remind myself you know what went down

and Attack of the Clones absolutely foul move by Mace Window just just ridiculous ridiculous Wait wait wait hold on they're fighting

He's killing people I'm sorry If it's not my fault You brought your kid to the gunfight With the Jedi Order Like that like what is he doing here I'm sorry Adam But did he really have to go for the decapitation

Instant Cato? It's a lightsaber You can cut off his hand You can incapacitate it in other ways You could have just done a little half stab Into the heart He's out And it's clean

That's not how Valpad works the seventh form of lightsaber combat goes for the fucking dome every time you're out here for blood don't draw that lightsaber if you're not trying to kill somebody that's how i feel by the way natalie i didn't know why he was doing this because i didn't know he was boba that yet it's when it's when the bomb misses and he gets on the phone and you hear someone be like boba right it's like this is what you signed up for and he's like but i don't want to blow up the star cruiser and you hear a testy voice where it's like it's either that or

you don't kill Mace Window and he's like okay and he sort of sulks off to the big power core where once again he is going to encounter the decency of the clones and the fellowship of this

family he's been denied as he is visibly what's this little toddler doing that toddler what's this kid this child doing in the reactor core. Hey, oh, is that an M-16? Yeah, it is.

Here. Bop. I was clutching my pearls as this is happening. Like, just the immediacy to be like, oh, he's probably stressed out. We're on lockdown. Just play with this gun for a little bit. The Republic deserves to lose.

You know what? Also, get a refund from Camino. They ain't training these clones right. No, cloning rule. Clones fucking rule. Here, Kid. Why do you pop off a few rounds? Safety's over here.

Take a load off. We're in the main reactor core. What could go wrong? Here's a gun, child. Don't shoot it at the huge fucking bomb in the middle of the room that will blow us all to smithereens

or me. Want me to get you some beer from the PX? Here's some cigarettes. Absolutely. Been a long day, bud. Hales, you breathe in and hold it in.

Yeah. Now you're feeling it, aren't you, kid? Like, I love the clones. And so, while this guy's like, here, kid, hold my gun. Like, you hear, it's like, Boba's got the two buttons to hit, right? Where, like, forsake revenge or betray this trusting clone. He betrays the trusting clone, beats the shit out of them. And I really thought it was going to go this way.

This is an effectively sold moment. He's got the clone on the ground who has no idea what is happening. And the clone starts begging him not to shoot. And you see Boba doesn't want to, and it makes the decision to pull the trigger. And it's a stun round. It's a stun round. But I was convinced. I was like, holy shit.

But it doesn't matter. This guy's still dead. He kills this guy indirectly by blowing up the court. No, but the other than. No, no, no. He's a dead body later on in this episode. And then two more go out. the airlock that he also therefore killed.

So it's, I love it. I love that he can't bring himself to pull the trigger on kill mode, but is happy to blow up the, the central core where this dude has been knocked the fuck out. Like, that degree of remove, you know, lots of stories about, about sci-fi war, about the ways in which people can mediate different styles of killing,

uh, and, and work, you know, uh, they can do it indirectly. They can do it by blowing, using a bomb,

but not by using a knife or whatever. And here it is. is Boba Fett not quite ready to put the knife in the side, but absolutely willing to destroy an entire cruiser. And who knows how many other people die eventually? Like, across the arc of this thing crashing? Oh, yeah. I know they had escape pods, but, man.

But not enough. So the rest of this episode is like a doomed starship evacuation adventure. And we get this great beat where, um, Admiral Killian Who just rules Treats the kids like kids Another big uncle vibes Good like

You know Admiral Killian Reminds me of that one actor The only movie I know I'm from Is Mr. Deeds Which is a terrible Fucking movie But when I saw this man

I was like, that's a dude for Mr. Deeds Like what's he doing here? And then I had to like go And, like... Did you find who he is? It's not... I thought the guy from Mr. Deeds might have been, like, voicing...

No, it was not. Sorry, did you find who you thought it was from Mr. Deeds? Yes. What's his name? His name is Mr. Deeds. I was looking it up at the top of this episode because I kept thinking he was...

I couldn't remember if it was Mr. Deeds. I kept thinking he was Austin Powers. Another, like, other terrible movies from this era of bad comedy. I'm going to guess you reminded you of this guy. Yeah, it's this guy. Hold on I have it in my fucking, in my fucking search, this man's Mr. Deeds, Eric Avarie.

Oh, so not, not Jared Harris. Eric Avarie. This dude. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, this guy, okay. Okay. It's amazing to me that you only know him from Mr. Deeds.

The curse the character actor, though. People are always going to be like that. You're that one guy. And this is generational because for me, he's the Stargate Independence Day Mummy guy, which is like, that's the 90s. He was always like the older Arabic, even though I think he's Indian. He is Indian, yeah. He's cast in lots of Arab roles, lots of, like, Egyptian role.

Stargate's character, I believe he was Egyptian. Maybe in Independence Day also, but, you know, a guy who knows a lot because he's brown. You know, great voice, incredible voice. That is very, who is he in Mr. Deeds? He's like the, he's like the man of, uh, man. Let me actually tell you something. I don't know anything. I don't know enough about Mr. Deeds to know anything about what you're about to say,

to be able to put it into any sort of context. He's like, I know two Adam Sandler movies. It's wedding singer and uncut gems. That's all. That's your podcast. Oh, my God. We've got to start a new podcast.

He said, Adam Sandler retrospected. He says, oh, I never saw Punch Drunk. That's the one he goes to third because he knows it's supposed to be a good movie instead of going to any of the super popular. Look forward to our Billy Madison party. Damn it. I just talked myself out of that one. Oh, God.

Unbelievable. Yeah, Mr. Deeds, what's, Eric Havari is like the, I think he's like an estate manager of some sort, or he's like on, basically, in Mr. Deeds, this guy who's like a small town schmuck finds out that he's going to inherit this very large fortune because his long-loss father, who he never knew,

like some billionaire. So Adam Sandler, the schmuck, like, comes into a lot of money. And Peter Gallagher, who plays, like, I think, like, the, maybe, I don't know if he's the executive of the will. I don't quite remember. It's been a long time since I've seen Mr. Deeds. But he's trying to, like, get this money away from Adam Sandler. But Adam befriends everyone around, you know, for the late Mr. Deeds, you know, company.

He, like, treats everybody as people. Yes, of course. human connection to them. Okay, sure. So, yeah, him and Eric Avarie's character become very close over the progression of the movie. Oh, okay, sure.

Yes. Does he come buddies with John Turturo's character? John Tertrude goodness or bad? Natalie, do you know who John Tarturo is? No, I need to look up the Mr. Deeds cast so I can remind myself. He is Preston Blake's long-serving butler and illegitimate son. Oh, that's going to be a buddy, but oh, yeah.

Yes. they do become very friendly. You said they do become very friendly as my eyes went over the sentence. And he also has a foot fetish, which also explains dot, dot, dot. Yeah, he, oh, yeah, so Adam Sandler has a foot. One of the, one of the, this actually becomes a huge plot device in the movie. Adam Sandler has lost

a foot to frostbite long ago because he comes from a town where he, there's a lot of ice and snow and he has... Oh, because he probably plays hockey because every Adam Sandler can't. Yes, he did play hockey, yeah, he's a skilled

skater, and it becomes a huge, pivotal part of the movie because Adam Sandler can't feel anything in his foot, so that lends itself to getting out of some sticky situations at certain points in the film. Gotcha.

See, this is like, you know the movie's dated at this point because now you couldn't have that poppy because wiki feet would exist. And like, it's like cell phones in movies. Like, there's just a whole thing you have to completely reimagine because, like, you couldn't do it that way anymore because it wouldn't make sense.

People would be like, just look up his feet. Anyway. Allie has a very confused look on her face, which I appreciate. I've heard of wiki feet. I just, I don't know how it slots into the plot of this film is all. I would love to move on. Yeah, we can move on from Mr. Deeds and Eric Avarie.

The thing is, I enjoyed the part where Admiral Killian, we're moving on now. Where they're giving the evacuation order and Admiral Killian finds the clone field trip and is like, hey, this is probably a, a little more action than you guys thought you'd see it today, huh? Well, how about you guys race to the evacuation pods? And I'll time you. We'll make a drill out of it.

And, like, it's such a cool beat of him, like, not wanting to scare the children, trying to get them to, like, run to the escape pods, but without freaking out. And, like, they're, you know, they're not dumb. They know the shit's going down. Yeah. But it's a cool beat of, like, again. Yeah, I like it. Like, both strong.

uncle vibes and also like I don't know there's a I thought there's an undercurrent with Killian just this whole episode of not really buying into the whole like not necessarily the clone program but the Jedi's relationship to it where like Killian is like traditional military in some ways and use the Jedi as maybe like unethical meddlers in this in some ways where he's like this is a bunch of children that you're using for your child soldier program. I am not going to engage with them

the way the rest of you all do. Never is that more clear. Well, not that part, but it's, never is it more clear that he does not think that they are cut out for this than in the moment where he insists that he goes down with the ship because he's the admiral and it's his ship.

I don't care who's in command of it. It's very much like you Jedi wouldn't understand this. Like you don't understand what duty is the way I do. You have a different understanding of responsibility and a different relationship with this war shit. Yeah, he clearly comes from a different, like, he has seen probably a lifetime of battle pre-the-Jedi

ever being commanders or authoritarian presences on these types of, on these Republic cruisers in general. Like, he just has a different relationship to, command than they do. And it's clear that he doesn't really respect their position in this at all. Well, and another thing that sort of struck me there, too, is like, I couldn't quite figure out, like, on the one hand, it sort of seems like a needless sacrifice. The thing that is, the thing that is not made clear until the next episode, though, is that that ship still has tons of people on it. Like, not everyone could make it to evacuation pods.

and so like at least in terms of the way this thing is all like sketched out Killian is trying to crash land this ship not so that he can die honorably but because like it is still a ship full of people he is responsible for and he needs to try and land it but if you if you're looking at it just as him holding up this sort of old school warrior ethos that the Jedi don't share I think you could also see it as so there are a lot of toxic like parts of that kind of ethos. But also, like, one of the things that a code of, like, being self-sacrificing can be

about enforcing is a degree of, like, accountability and, like, not outliving mistakes where you have cost tons of people their own lives, where you've lost, where you've lost a battle for your nation or something like that. The Jedi, they are always the MVP's of every battle. Like, the Jedi, like, a lot of the Jedi, like, will try to escape. or at least they don't necessarily feel that they're willing to make sacrifices but they don't feel an obligation to like clone armies

they don't feel an obligation to like warships these are just tools, means to an end and you start to see Killian here taking an opposite attack which is no like this is your trust this is the thing you were entrusted with and if you're going to lose it

you better not be coming home either you better have done everything possible to salvage the situation, even if it means your life, whereas the Jedi have no problems being like, all right, let's cut our losses, let's go. But ultimately, like, if you think about the way this war unfolds, the clones might pile up, you know, their corpses can reach the heavens, doesn't even register with the Jedi as a problem.

It's hard to imagine Killian having that same approach where, like, you know, what are the casualties where the losses? Killian feels it differently in that way. And I kind of read it that in that light. That hadn't occurred to me in that moment until now. That, like, Killian knows that there aren't enough escape pods for every person on that ship. And the Jedi are like, yeah, let's get all of the commanders off. Like, Killian, you are a commander, so you need to leave the ship so that you can go commandeer another ship in the future.

And Killian is, that is just not the way. Like, there are still lives to be saved on that ship that as it's crashing down. That hadn't occurred to me until now that, like, it wasn't just that, like, he needs to remain on the ship because that's his ship, but it's also that that's his crew and that there are so many more people unaccounted for than are even being referenced by the Jedi. Like, the Jedi reference, like, Commander Ponds and Killian, and that's pretty much it. like nobody else is talked about at all and yet when we get to the next episode and we get to the crash landing there are tons of clone um casualties that they're like passing by as they're like

you know kind of looking for survivors so and they were all killed we're going to find out they were all killed but like killing did save them from the crash he saved it a hundred percent yeah which is the other thing we don't i think it's very easy to see this episode and be like oh he's I mean, there's very specifically an incredible shot of them being like, uh, so what's up? How are you going to make it? What's going on? And, and he's like, uh, you know, I'm not really sure. We're going to try to send her down on the surface.

And it's just his visor filled with fire as reentry happens. And I'm like, there's no way you're going to survive this. But there's a steel in his eyes that is like it is, he's so committed in the face of almost certain death. that there is a way to, like, salvage this situation, which is, like, pretty affecting. It was pretty affecting in the moment. I was just, like, you're... And especially considering the whole episode opens with the line,

um, no one can train you for the moment you look death in the eyes. Like, that's what the elder clone tells these children as they're, like, preparing to board this, the Jedi cruiser. Um, and, you know, he is like, like Rob mentioned coming to it from a different perspective, like, hey kids, here's a little fun, like a fun trial. Like get to the escape pods. And yet like all these kids, they know that this is a life and death scenario. And he just has to maintain like the face of, uh, leadership throughout all of the chaos in like a pretty affecting way. Yeah.

Anyway, big ups to Admiral Killian. I guess. Speaking of commitment, Boba, he's got it. He gets aboard that EscapePod immediately sabotages its navigation and basically sets them out to be picked up by his mercenary buddies. I love the sequence of, it's almost the sense of them being swallowed. followed by a deep sea monster or something where like slave one arrives and the shadow falls over the cockpit

and the hatch opens and it's Orsing and Basque. And too many forever to pick up on it's Boba Fett in this, but I see Basque. I'm like, that's Boss! Yeah, uh-huh. Hey, buddy. It's Bosque. Yeah, 100%.

Was it was it the line of exposition that finally got you to realize that it's Boba Fett when he says, but then I won't get to kill the Jedi, or like, all I wanted to do is kill the Jedi that murdered my dad. Yeah, I was like, oh, yeah.

Yeah, okay. I'm glad that landed for you, yeah. Look, I just, I watch these things with, like, I watch them as they're intended to be watched, which is with child like, uh, yeah, I'm just like, the inner 13 year old. It is just washing

over me, and I'm like, I didn't see that coming at all, even though it's obvious, and I should have. But the thing is, like, it seems kind of, like, it's kind of interesting to me in that on the one hand, this entire episode, Bob has kind of been drawing this line between him and the clones, which is that, yeah, we are from the same, like, gene template. But, like, we're not, we're not, I have nothing come with you. I'm a person in your clones. And we do know of the, of the difference is he has a normal aging process. He is a normal like he is standard human upbringing as much as you can be. That was the intent.

Is he would be raised not with the flash learning program not with the rapid aging. He would be a perfect clone of Django Fet but raised as a raised as a real boy. All the clones

are the accelerated, let's just get to the end product which is a you know, top-tier warrior. But this entire episode, like, Bo wasn't trying to draw that distinction where it's like, no, I'm human, and you're kind of these weird abomination versions of my father and of me. And what's cool in this scene is that conflict we've seen hinted at in all the scenes where we have to commit, like,

where we have to deceive or betray clones, it's kind of heightened here because, what's his name, Jacks? who's been kind of nice to him throughout the episode. It's this real, like, he has to sort of look all these other characters who look just like him in the eye and be like, yeah, I sold you out, and I did all this. And now I'm going off with my evil mentors

and going to leave you guys to maybe die out here in the middle of nowhere. I really thought they were about to get, like, airlocked. I really thought they were about to, like, Orsing does gesture at that and then doesn't it turns out she means just she's going to send the thing the ship flying into the void but she does say like he says like what are you going to do to them and she's like listen make up your mind you can get in here with us or you can get you know pushed out into the every exact phrase but like basically says jettisoned into space or something right exactly it's like oh is she going to just completely jettison these kids loose into the into the stars like No, but No, but I don't think she... I don't think that's a decision she'd lose sleepover.

Right, exactly. That's not... The only reason she didn't do it is there isn't immediate clear benefit. Right. Right. Like, in some ways, we don't need that smoke. These kids living isn't going to make us, you know what I mean? Well, it's sort of that, it's a bit of, um...

Oh, God, the awesome bounty hunter at the start of the, uh, Cadbane. Cat Bain I miss Cat Bain We'll do something Incredibly evil If there's profit in it But isn't going to like Drive out of the way

To like do something evil You know what I mean It's the like If I need to If it is a step on the journey Yeah I'll kill kids Hell yeah I will But they're not going to be like

Hey navigate me a couple miles Off my route To like kill a bunch of kids Like that's not how they roll Or it's kind of in that same mold Of you know Well if I have my daughters I'd probably leave no survivors

but I'm okay leaving kids alive, which, you know, ambiguous morality of Star Wars anti-heroes. I'm curious who here, we don't have to say who it ends up being, but who here thought that Cad Bain was going to be the pickup crew member in the third episode of this arc and not the person that we ended up with, because I did. I did because she's worked with Cad Bain. on screen.

She was in that episode. She was part of that crew. She was the sniper when they took hostages in Senate hostages? Senate murders. No, Senate murders. Hostage crisis? Yeah, something like that. God, using up all brain space for this.

Yeah. Anyways, it's not, but we'll get there. Uh-huh. Cat's out there. He's busy. We'll see. him again. Yeah, I'm glad he didn't get involved

in this, to be honest. Yeah. He was a very different episode. Very different episode. I don't think the happy ending, the happy-ish ending that it eventually goes to, I don't think that's plausible with Cadbane in the picture. But I will say this, I could feel the other character coming.

I could, like, just of late, I'm like, oh, boy, I think I know where this is going. Yeah. We'll get there. And we do get, so again, if we didn't know what the stakes of this are, Austin, you already highlighted it. This is kind of like the, the, the, the, the, the, fate of Boba Fet Saul.

We didn't pick that up yet. Jacks is going to enunciate it. Where at the end, he says, I hope he's just like us. Because if he is, meaning Boba, then he feels ashamed of what he did. And he has a chance to, like, learn and, like, grow from this. Which is a lot of perspective from a kid who thinks he might have just been shot in a space to await his death. I mean, more than that, though, Jacks thinks he's command material.

So, like, he just always has a little speech ready to go. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't hate Jacks, but I, this is, this is the sort of behavior that made me think that Cyclops was a punk when I was a little kid and first approached X-Men. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Anyway.

This is the thing. This was what the Faloni featurette thing. The Filoni Zone was about, which I didn't record any of these today because none of them were like, the R2 one was kind of fun, but like not enough to where I have to drop it into the episode. but this he lays out the entire trilogy of episodes and he says it with a sort of gravitas for the one of this episode he goes here we go here it is boba fett this gets into an area that I really try to stay away from which is direct influencing of the classic movies boba fat happened because george wanted to get into the mindset of boba as a boy and the loss of his father and this is going to be a big deal and then you know he goes on to say like You know, Boba is a 12-year-old boy, and none of the Jedi can anticipate that a clone kid would betray them, basically, and that, you know, he doesn't understand what he's feeling. He doesn't even understand his own feelings of revenge or morality, etc. And then he gets into this, which I think is interesting to think about as we go into these next episodes and, like, what he, what the studio, what the creative team thought about these characters. Oras Singh had to represent.

evil. She wants to use Boba and to use his malice and his hate and his sadness and his revenge. She wants to turn him into something evil like herself. And the character interaction between Ora and Boba has to work a certain way. The first time she talks to Boba, you don't really get that she's cruel. She's devilish and she's many layered in her evil. She only reveals it slowly over time. The question is, what does Boba really want? How much does he want to resolve his revenge issue? How far is he willing to go to get it? It all becomes too much for him. It has to test his idea of morality, and he's a killer

at that point. And like, that's the thing. And also, it made me realize that they're also kind of doing a little mini-Annequin analogy with this whole arc, which part of me does wonder if part of the reason these kids look so light-skinned is because when you compare

them to Anakin, they actually kind of look like little Anakin's running around. Which is something I also wrote down last night and then forgot about. but the ora sing as palpatine stand in slowly manipulating this this malleable boy who has feelings of revenge but also that feelings of revenge is grounded in a desire for justice like it all maps very neatly and it's it's interesting because I don't read aura as just evil I think she's deeply manipulative I think she is absolutely taking advantage of a very talented young boy who who, by the way, blows up a fucking Star Cruiser. Like, he does do the damn thing. Yeah.

In a way that's, like, very, you know, impressive. But there are moments throughout this that I think her position does not just come from, like, raw, dark side evil. No, she's not a chaos agent. Right, right. No, I think even beyond that, there's moments where, like, or, again, when pressed, I think in that third episode, if it comes down to, like saving her own skin or abandoning Boba she will save her own skin. And that lands to Boba like she's evil and didn't

really care about him. But I think there's moments where she could have gotten off the train earlier and she like she does at least as far as the voice performance as far as the animation goes, this is a character at certain points. Seems actually like she does care and she does want to see Boba get what he wants

as much as she wants to profit by it. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes Falani has a really black and white read on these things that I'm not sure the text supports and it's frustrating because it's like, it's weird. Yeah, I wouldn't even say that that last part you said Austin about, that he said about Boba, like, but he realizes he's in over his head. Like, I don't really think that's where he lands on everything.

And I think we'll get there, but, uh, yeah, that entire last sequence isn't, I think it feels very staged. It doesn't feel like him speaking from, like any place of like real truth um but we'll get yeah anyway adversity is a friendship's truest test yeah before we can get there uh we have to get through our two come home which i think might be the weakest episode here and primarily disagree well okay here's the thing i think it's hamstrung by the work it has to do as a second act of this three-act arc but also from the title it's referring to the underbaked A plot of this episode, which is literally just an episode of Lassie,

where the part of the dog is played by R2D2. So Mace and Anakin go down to the planet. They begin searching the wreckage of the crashed cruiser for Survivor. There were a lot of survivors. They are no longer surviving. They get trapped down the proverbial mine shaft in this episode. They fall into a trap that Boba Lack. them on the bridge of the Star Cruiser

and they have to send Art2 to get help. Art2 get the sea clamp. I just need you although the Filoni zone for this is literally Filoni talking about how this is just an episode of Lassie and how and how this is an episode about he says that

R2 sits right up there with Lassie. I've always said that R2 is like the family dog. That's how you treat him. That's how you write him. He just has a couple more gadgets than your local Fido. And I mean He also then says this whole episode is about dogs, which I'll get to the other dogs. I don't like this.

It just made it weird. It's, uh-huh. There's the demons that are in this episode. He doesn't bring them up at all. Those are gun darts. He doesn't mention those. He mentions the official name of a clone squad that shows up in this episode. The Wolfpack, which I didn't know that's what they were called.

That's the official name of Close Bros. Their official name is the Wolfpack. Because his commander is Commander Wolf, W-O-L-F-E. And so they're called the Wolfpack, and they're called Plosbrose. Can you tell that they're Faloni's favorites? That's the third name that they have, is Falodi's favorites. In that light then, like, Mace is like, I breed my master Mac for fighting. Like, I don't like this at all.

Anyway. So Arthew has to prove to Mace that he's a good draw. for some such reason. Mesa's like, I don't like droids who think they're people. But it's not even that. It's not even that.

It's so much worse than that. Because the first thing that happened, one of the first things that happens here is this way they land. They're going to go see if, if the admiral has survived this landing. And R2 immediately is like, hey, there's shit behind us. There's shit behind.

And there are, there's these big monsters. And Mesa's like, what the fuck is up with your droid, Anakin? And Anakin is like, I don't know. He must see something. Come on, R2. And it's like, Mace says what is your is your astromatic oh he says uh aniken says something something has R2 shook

and Mace says your astromatic is programmed to fear and it's like feel or should be oh I thought it was fear oh I think it's when Anakin is like that's worse oh I feel like it's weird here too and the Mace window is like what the fuck okay well the point is all of your droids should be should anticipate that you're being followed and notice things. If the Republic wants to win this fight, have droids that pay attention when you're being fucking followed by

monsters. Yeah. Also makes me wonder... Literally, Antiquot calls it out. It gets like, oh, he must have seen something. Yeah. Hmm. Anyways, let's continue down into the fucking fire pit of hell that we're walking towards.

So is Mesa's droid just like one of the mis... Is it just like a mistreated dog that can't even express its own, like, sensations because, like, Mace won't have that, but it also knows they're, like, being stalked by monsters. I don't know. I true. Yeah. It's... But they know that he saw something. They know that R.G. It goes beyond the memory stuff. It goes beyond the... We can't let them have memories because if we do, we'll feel bad when we kill them or send them into their debts. It is, like, dead ass. We're going to make them be less effective as droids because we don't like thinking about them having feelings. It's ridiculous. I don't understand. I don't understand. And then when they call it out, they don't do anything. Like, I don't know why, like, Anikin's like, I love that R2 can feel.

It gets us out of, like, you know, like, sticky, like, bad situations because he's able to anticipate things in, like, and, like, or maybe be an even better pilot than most of us. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, like, I don't understand if your, if your droid is, like, shook and is, like, scared, and freaked out, why you wouldn't be like, huh? There must be a problem.

You saw something. Okay, what did you see? Like, what's going? Like, you're literally looking for stuff. That's literally the thing you're doing. You're looking for shit. And your droid just saw some shit. And you're like, huh, okay, well, let's continue looking.

Why did all these clones die horribly within minutes on this planet? Anyway, what the fuck is that droid making noise again? I'm sorry. Do you mind if I examine this dead, this pile of? of dead clones for one second? I don't know why your droid is panicking. It makes no sense to me. This happens all the time.

This happened when R2D2 was like in, like, we were being stalked by the like predator, like spidery droid like robot things and whatever. This happens all the time. And Anakin, the one person who's supposed to like be able to speak R2D2, it like doesn't act on the thing that it just, I don't understand. that beat at all. It makes no sense to me. It just doesn't make sense.

Also, just the rest of this arc. The unity among Oras Sings and Boba's band of mercenaries, that begins to fray. They don't really have much to do in this episode. The weird thing is, I think this is the structural issue, they've already planted the trap for the Jedi, and then the rest of the episode is them being like, should we go back for the Jedi?

And it's like, I would have just built a better trap maybe. Anyway, that whole thing begins to unravel for them, because really it has to get where they ultimately go. which is that R2 does get the warning off the planet. The bounty hunters see their whole plan go bad, but they have hostages anyway. They have Admiral Killian and his command staff,

so they will auction those off. They'll do a prisoner exchange with the Jedi in the next episode. So the Bounty Hunter gang doesn't have a lot to do here, except slowly collapse on itself as people's fear and mistrust begins to get the better of them. But yeah, most of this episode is just like, Can R2 save the day, and can he prove to Mace that, like, he's good? And it's like, Art 2, you don't have to prove shit to Mace.

No. Like, you don't have shit to anybody. I wrote down, I wrote down when R2 was being menaced by those big gun darks. I wrote down, if R2 could 1V1 these big fuckers, he'd win for sure. And in 10 minutes, he proved me right. And then he would go even further to take down against all odds. entire crew of bounty hunters escape their their their their they're just he's the best he's the best he drops a grenade

on them he's fucking john mclean in diemard like literally he's just like booms away yeah uh yeah just stone cold i also i don't know who else is subtitles gang along with me but uh okay good because all of the moments of delight among r2dito when it was like R2D2 giggling R2D2 looking proud I was like this is one of the top tier episodes of Clone Wars 100% I wrote

At the end of my notes I wrote fucking good episode That was my That was my note I was like Oh yeah R2 chukes He closes the door on them And then he goes as a little like

Art2 chuckle It's the best moment I've ever I've ever seen It's so good He's just foiling their little plots And it's just it's amazing I love it for him I love that he's having fun

throwing boxes down the elevator shaft at the mall It just groups up Oh god, it's like Lassie Cross Home Alone Yeah Can I tell you my second favorite bit about this arc That starts in this episode That makes me stand Basque

His boss goes like, yeah good luck I'll be back here I'm not fucking with that And he does it in this episode He's like I'll stay with the ship Y'all don't take them bikes Yeah, all right I'll be back here

And then in the next episode The same shit happens They land the ship And he's like yeah I'm gonna stay on here Y'all go ahead You won't bring me back a Coke That's good

But There's even one moment Where he's like leaning sexily Against the door in a background Also he's hot When did boss get hot Yeah he's hot The fact that someone wrote it

To us last month to be like If Bosque had been as popular As Bobafet Do you think that Obi-Wan would have been In a relationship With a Trandotion No

I think Obi-Fet would have been, or Obi-Wan would have been in a relationship with Basque specifically because he's hot as shit in this show. True? He is sexy. God. He is so hot. That's why they couldn't put him on screen too much.

It would be distracting. It would be too distracting. And because they can't show him lose. They don't want to make him, they don't put Basque up against R2 because the truth is R2 is going to get booked to be stronger than Bask. And we don't need to see that. You know what I mean?

so yeah it's um i mean really like it's it's frustrating because i think the you know we often debated like what is the path to political salvation for the republic and i think it's honestly just plug art two into the senate and like have him become that'd be it like supreme chancellor art two things are going to be real different and it's like it's your philosopher king except the thing is he's immortal he's he's a good droid who lives forever and do you need it but like your public system doesn't need to evolve, because as long as R2 keeps working, you've got a great system and he'll figure it all out.

That's right. We stand. So, this planet is haunted. Yeah, go on. One thing that I was thinking, while we're on boss for a second, like, what's the timeline here between

Bobafet and Boss? Because I was, like, surprised to see Boss here, and they're not, like, chilling in the future? Like, I thought Trent Ocean's weren't that old, didn't get that old. Yeah, I don't know. Does that mean he's like an old-ass man by the time Empire Strikes Back happens?

He's got to be. He's got to be, right? I mean, maybe that's why he wasn't doing as much. Yeah. They were like, they just saw the future. They were like, all right, Basque is going to be sexy in like 30 years in this kid's show. So we should just save him for that. Yeah, we'll chill on this.

Save him for the future. Yeah, I don't know how old he was because this is 22 years before Yavin, Empire is a couple years after that, right? And so, yeah, in Legends canon, transitions, I think, did not live that many years. 40 to 50 years, 54 standard years is where, oh, that's when they reach their middle age. Okay, no, that's fine. They hit their middle age around 54, so that's, they're actually fine. Yeah, there you go. So boss could be hot for the entire series.

Yeah. No, this now says, hmm, transitions were thought of as young adults until they reached 15 when they became full adults. By 35 standard years, they were middle-aged, and those living past 50 were considered to be old. This page has two different answers, which is weird. Anyway, maybe we'll learn. Yeah. The point is boss will be the guess. I guess we're not going to see that relationship breakdown, or we did in these episodes, and that's it.

I think we get more Basque Boba in future episodes I believe Bosque shows back up I believe in future yeah Wow Bosca's in a bunch of episodes Hell yeah let's go Alright wait wait wait wait that's not true sorry Transitions are in a bunch of episodes

Well just is good much different Well you got to stop spoiling yourself Austin You're getting in dangerous I know but the one that we already saw sucked and it was the guy who was the who had the, on the duel of the droids, R2 episodes who had the, like,

you know what I'm talking about, the like army surplus droid frigate. Oh, right, right, right, right. That guy's no Basque. They can't all be Basque. That's why he's dead. Like, Basque does the job he's paid for.

That's right. And, like, calls it. And this guy was like, let's renegotiate terms now. Yep. Like, you're a Sith lord. I'm going to try to, you know, backstab you exactly anyway

yeah so this planet obviously haunted R2 picks up on the fact that the gargoyles are here and they're not friendly literal demons they're just demons on this planet

they're sick I love these things but they're not the ones who kill all the droids like all the clones the clones have like blaster marks on them because I guess the implication is the bounty hunters

have been through here they finished off everyone they took Killian and Ponds. Pons. Who's notable because his name is Pons, which is like a plural noun in a way that makes it sound just like a last name. And he's like a bridge clone, not a, he's like a starship clone, not a ground clone, right? Which is kind of, he sounds like a British, if you told me that was a British Royal Navy officer named Pons, I'd be like, yeah, of course, I said that's a Pond. I'm sure there was one.

What also seems notable to him is that when he introduces himself to Bova, and both to the bounty hunter he says like his code name he says like C7134 and then we hear his name through Anakin yes he's obviously like no like he's

he's known by and I think Anakin like Anakin calls out that like they need to find him or like where is Admiral Killian and Commander Ponds like he he's kind of like gestured towards as being like an influential clon or a clone of note, but doesn't do much.

A thing we skipped last episode is that during that turbolaser training sequence, the clone on duty uses their numbers and not their names, which like maybe he doesn't know their names and maybe his heads-up display can display numbers or something. But I think it's worth noting that he said, CT, whatever, whatever, you're up next, you know, versus being like lucky. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was also surprising that they already had all these kind of nicknames.

Like I didn't realize that it happened. I mean, I guess it makes sense, but I wasn't really anticipating that they would have like these. That's how far back the nicknames go. I figured it's something that developed, you know, through training. I guess at this point, they've already been training for a while. Yeah, for years. And they only have a few years left. Yeah.

Geez. Yep. But yeah, I wonder what that sort of like social division between using numbers versus names is. Because it seems like situational amongst the clones. Yeah, I wonder. I mean, I'm guessing that the guy, the, you know, the commander on the, the, the, the, whatever leader on the cruiser, probably doesn't know these this is probably like his third field trip of the week you know and he just is like has like mad kids coming through and at that point you're not really internalizing any of their

nicknames but i think when you're working in and amongst each other probably referring to them more by their names it's a fair bet that like but it's also about like intimacy too like their their codename is like their surname in some ways it's like i wonder if also Also, it's, because you don't see, I'm trying to think now, it would be interesting to go back and, like, check this. But, like, clones from different units, do they just, like, start calling each other by their nicknames? Or, because, you know what I mean? It's like, if it's Rex and the other guys in the troops that surround Anakin all the time, like, you hear them be like, hey, you know, crash down, scorcher or whatever. Like, they just, like, you know, rattle their names off.

But I do wonder, like, if clones don't know each other that way, do they, like, have a presumption of... Yes, I mean, we saw that in the clone deser episode. Well, it's interesting. There he tries to... He implies that this guy wouldn't have a name, or it doesn't matter. Well, he asks for his identification first, which I'm guessing would probably place him in some sort of a...

context, whether that's, like, troop or, like, where he kind of came from or left from. So I feel like that's, yeah, that's probably, like, first line of identification is your number. And then, you know, as you work together, you're probably going by names and shit. So the search of the starship, like, just visually, I think it's cool. I think crash starships are cool. I think this, you know, it's awesome. Like, we usually see these things sort of pristine in space. Here it's all just blown up, wrecked, open to the elements.

You know, there's this hellscape outside the windows. But they go through searching the ship. And I do love that we get the, like, in this episode, Mace is going to start to put together what's going on here, which is it's a cool, it's a cool scene. They arrive on the bridge where Killian should be. It's abandoned, except for a couple dead close. clones but in the middle of the room is the helmet and it's when Mace has the realization at

that moment how all the pieces fit together and it comes just a second too late before Anakin is like hey cool helmet and blows them up and gets them trapped in a rubble pile But I did enjoy that moment of like, oh, yeah, now it is kind of a confront Mace with not necessarily his sins, but the consequences of his actions. That there are people behind, you know what I mean? There's like lives attached to the people that the Jedi snuff out on their journey through the galaxy. Somewhat. I mean, I think when we get that conversation late at the end of the episode between Anakin and Mace, it doesn't seem to really phase Mace as much as Anakin thinks it should. What's the next episode?

Is that, is that a, no, no, it's at the end of this episode. There's a conversation between Anakin and Mace where Anakin is. is asking about like their beef is like so so what's good with you in Bobafet like this is what went down and Mace has a very specific response that we should talk about later but yeah it was just Tuesday it was just Tuesday to base like I think that's pretty pretty clear I don't think he's really thinking about it like any more than that but they blow they blow the fucking shit up and Boba is pretty

unsatisfied by seeing the cruiser explode and wants to make sure that Mace is dead dead whereas some of the other bounty hunters one specific other bounty hunter seems much more unwilling to

or feels that it's at this point unnecessary. Yeah castus boy this dude so this is sort of a cowardly bounty hunter the guy who like he's kind of insubordinate but also doesn't want to be here thinks like this is all

becoming a bit too much and my god this guy gave me the strongest killer crock vibes from Batman's animated series sure yeah I can see it um like just kind of kind of a vicious dumbass um who's like speaking of in over their heads

uh this guy is probably the most over his head um because he has signed up for like he thinks of the job job is done. And they're like, we got to go kill these Jedi. So back into the spaceship we go. By the way, speaking of brutal deaths, we skipped over this, but yeah, remember how Mace didn't want to, like, listen to the droids or pay attention to what was freaking

them out. R8, Mace's droid, does not fare well when the demons show up. There's a pretty brutal droid death here where, if you ever wondered, like, what would be the worst way for R2 to die? kind of glimpse here of them just like yanking that little dome head straight off the droid and ripping it apart pretty gruesome gruesome shit and art you had to watch that happen i didn't realize that droids had spines you'd think with the little trash can you wouldn't need that but like yeah that was gruesome and art who's gonna fucking remember that shit like that's that's a That's a new memory going into the memory bank, slot it in. And R2 doesn't forget anything.

He sure does. This is the curse of R2. But yeah, so with the Jedi pinned, they got to send R2 to ghosts on the rescue. The bounty hunters are coming into the ship to try and finish off the Jedi. R2 on his way out begins just screwing with the bounty underies. He sees them on their approach to the Jedi. And yeah, you guys really enjoyed the hijinks here. I loved it.

It's really. Yeah, it doesn't rate super high. I'm not going to remember this episode any year, but I enjoyed my time with it. Yeah. Yeah, he's a little shit. He's playing a little trick. He drops the grenade on the shaft The entire thing

And again, because a lot of things Just can't happen in this episode They eventually are just like It's getting too hairy in here We're just done We're you know The thing we showed it out of the start This episode was just leave

We're going to leave now And so they do But Natalie you want to talk about this This exchange between Anakin and Mace About what's really going on here Anakin and Mace have this Oh yeah have this conversation as they're you know lying under the rubble

This is at the very end of the episode waiting for you know their rescue Mace is pretty convinced that there is no rescue coming for them Anakin asks him like so what's going on here Like why are you being fucking stalked by a child Or like what is this what is the story behind this helmet like you clearly recognized it. And Mace responds and says, as he's like

looking at it, crushed under Rebel, it's like it belongs to a bounty hunter I killed on Geonosis, named Django Fett, who Anakin refers to as quote, the clone template, which is you know, it's always

striking to get that reminder of like just that kind of vocabulary. used towards like the template of of human beings that you know goes on anyway so Mace confirms that and says strangely enough he had a son or at least a clone he regarded as a son and his name was Boba Fett and he can start to remember apparently Obi-Wan listed him in his report on Camino which interesting little morsel of

I guess we have like post-battle reports that Jedi are filing which is interesting anyway May says Boba was on genosis when his father died he watched as I killed him and Anakin's response is

ah that would complicate things and May says indeed and I think there's like it's like slightly introspective And you think, oh, maybe there's something there in terms of, like, Mace having some feeling about, you know, murdering somebody's father in front of them. But the start of the next episode really doesn't sell that at all.

I think it continues this sort of thread in the way that we had been talking about before of, Mace did what he had to do in the moment and he is comfortable with that and if he has doubts about it he is not showing them at all and especially not to Anakin someone he does not fucking trust he doesn't trust his Astromack

he sure should does not trust Anakin with that type of vulnerability or lack of confidence in what his choice is in the past so I think that you know it's it's it's a semi bizarre moment it's semi bizarre for anakin of all people's response to this to say oh that would complicate things considering anakin is mr revenge lord and would

and at the start of the next episode like goes back into that and is like don't you want to like do something about this? Like there's been a conflict that is unresolved and there's someone out there that has it out for you in a very real way. Don't you want to confront that in some way? And Mace is like completely unaffected by it. I'm surprised that we don't see Anakin here

being able to be sympathetic to Boba Fett considering what Anakin would do if he knew the person who killed his father. he's lived through the death of a parent like and the thing that he says to mace windew is don't you want to bring him to justice whereas mace is like why would i act in revenge do you want me to act like a child and it's just like the like the gap between their two opinions and like the way that you would sort of expect these characters to react is like big like it's super apparent yeah It's super surprising. Wait, wait, wait, when does he say... That's at the beginning of the next episode. That's all the next episode stuff, right?

That's at the beginning of the episode. But it is interesting that in this specific moment, you don't really get a sense... In this, that would complicate things moment, you don't really get a sense of Anakin feeling for Boba Fett, considering how many parallels there are there. Like, I would have anticipated more sympathy at, you know, in the conversation that, that we get to next. My read on this is that Anakin is under Mace's thumb. This episode, this episode ends with Anakin voicing how few times he has been praised by Mace Windu.

And I think in combination with this point, which you're right, that he would have normally, you would think that he would have that sympathy. Maybe he does have that sympathy, but he does not voice it to Mase Wendu. And earlier, not explaining that, like, look, here's an example of how Artu has saved our fucking asses. Look at how R2 is, and he does not push back on the way Mace sees this. things and thinking about the larger Mace Anakin conversations that we talk about in Revenge of the Sith and all that shit, it really does feel like Anakin is like tight-lipped around Mace in a way he is not around Obi-Wan, the way we've seen him be more open about the way he sees the world

around, obviously around Asoka, who is his Patelon, but here he is not, he doesn't feel like he's allowing himself to be Anakin Skywalker in this situation. the way, like, for instance, Anakin doesn't try to use the force to escape here. He's like, oh, you know what? It's too risky. We should send R2 instead. What fucking Anakin Skywalker is that?

My Anakin Skywalker is like, well, we'll just blow up the ship using the force and use the explosion to propel us to safety somehow. Don't worry about it. We'll figure it out as it goes on. But here with Macy's like, you know, a smart thing to do is to send our droid to da-da-da-da. It feels a lot like this Anakin is withholding of that emotional side.

himself in the presence of Mace Window. Yeah, that's a really good read. I would also say, though, I think it is something that maybe bugs me a little bit about this episode is some of these tensions, I don't think it does a very good job of showing at all in the episode, like, the fact that, yeah, like, for instance, it wouldn't be so discordant if he sort of is masking how much he identifies with Boa, if there was some sense of that tension instead of like, well, that would complicate things. and it's like if anything like yeah you could you can somehow like communicate that like oh he knows this is a vendetta that's not going to go away you've all these like it doesn't just complicate things you have all of these tools of filmmaking where you could zoom in on his face and show him making expression that mace can't see or play a chord of music that reminds us of his dead mob like all there's all this stuff that you could do they don't do any of that stuff nothing nothing um however what the episode does give us is an exciting r to escape uh first

First, he fucks up them demons. They're clever. They're like, we're going to destroy your ship before you get the message out. And he's like, very well. I will... Okay, so basically, he's watched the rock. He does the rocket man thing to one of the demons. He launches the ship, like, across the horizon

and sends him to die a fucking roadrunner cartoon death. And then hops in the other ship flies off. Wins a dog fight with Slave 1, which is... Uh, basically. And then, kind of a cool setup where there's the two hyperspace rings. You're going to go for one of them. Boba, like, sees R2 begin the turn toward one of them,

opens fire to stories of the hyperspace ring. Oh, shit, it was a barrel roll. The entire thing was an evasion. Art2 rolls back in, pops the hyperspace ring on, and is gone. And with that, uh, he is on his way back to the Jedi Temple. We see him. doing this running through the halls but droid style so it's more like

real fast the only way they communicate it is by him bumping into people a bunch and then he falls down the stairs I think right is that he's getting knocked over by a drawing he falls down the stairs and then like jams

the other one out of the way out of the like USB situation yeah he's like get out of my and they like get into a little fight And they're like, okay, everyone's settled down. Like, what's going on here? But then it's all going to be all right, because Master Plokun knows Artoe wouldn't act. No, that's not true.

He doesn't, no, no, no. He does not what Plowcun goes, you know this droid Asoka? As if Plowcun has never met R2. Doesn't he go that's Master Skywalker's? Asoka is the one who is like, if R2 is acting like this, that must mean that he is an important message. Plokunin' like he doesn't know who this is, which is absurd. Shouldn't Plokunhun know? Yeah, that's weird.

Yeah. By the way, the next thing we see is Plow's bros coming in for the rescue mission. Flo makes up for it almost immediately and then throughout the next episode, don't get me wrong. Oh, 100%. But it is also funny, the way he makes it up for it is the conversation that Plow Coon is having at the start of that scene is he's like, all right, the way we're finally going to get General Grievous is. And then R2 is like, Annigan and Macer and are in danger. And Plow doesn't say, okay, we should send someone. Hey, can someone get on that, hey, can you forward this? He's like, all right, I got to go.

Sorry, now we're in the middle of this big Jedi strategy meeting. Peace. Close Bros. Out. Look, guys, we know we're not going to get it, right? We all know we're not going to get General Grievous. This is a front brainstorm, but let's table this one for later. But I got a roll with the bros.

Also, how much time is fucking passing right now? because they're in a This is the most... They're in a falling ship exploding in time and fucking R2 is zooming down the hallways This is the most like

fuck Star Wars space shit I've watched yet, I think. Yeah, this was just... It means that ridiculous to me. The only way it would make sense to me is if we saw a map that showed that Florham is like right next to Coruscant.

But it can't... be or if the timing of the inserts of like mace and anakin like if they were on a separate timeline to all of R2's like antics like sure they're not like they're not it does it literally is just boot bop beep we're back the thing I was questioning is like are they on Corrason, or are they on, like, a nearby planet? It's 100% Corrason. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, oh, you mean

the Jedi Council? In the meaning. Yeah. Where, where he finds Placoon and sends the message. That's Corrissus. That's 100% Corrason. They show the Jedi Temple. It's literally the Jedi Temple on Corrissan. And they're not and they're not on Florim, they're on Vancourt. Right, sorry, Vancour. What's on Florum?

But they're about to be in Florem. You're right. Florem is next. Vancour. Sorry. So yeah, Vancour, Vancour, a planet I've never heard of before needs to be right next to Corrassau? Vancour's in the outer rim. Vancor's in the outer rim. Vincor was a rocky christling planet located in the vancour system

of the galaxy's outer rim territories that is the home world of the Gundark species. Make sense of this to me. Please, I'm begging you. Make it make sense. The outer rim isn't even as like the outer rim is closer to Corrassan than like the outer boroughs

It has to, like, man, it has to be. Like, it is just, like, like, if you are in, if you are, like, in midtown and you discover someone's, like, trapped in a burning starship in the Bronx, they're dead. Like, oh, we're just never going to reach them in time. Sorry. But here it's like, I'll just hop in the cargo again. See you guys. Yeah.

I just really got to understand how they get back that quick. I just don't get it. I just, I, I, I, I, or, like, people. I'm looking at a map. I am looking at a, it doesn't matter. Fuck Star Wars space. You know, if you're in Lightspeed the entire time. But they're not.

But the people who are stuck on the ship are... The thing for me is like, forget about Lightspeed. Let's say light speed is instantaneous. I've been to bus depots. I've been in airports. I know how long it takes to land. Sure. Like, because they're not light speeding into Corrassant, like, atmosphere even.

They're going to, like, above Corrasson. They're like, get into a fucking lane. Maybe the Jedi have a special code that's like, let me get in quick. Even then, landing on the platform, getting out of the platform, running through the... Then he's got to drive... Right? Into the building. There is...

That hallway, we've seen them walk that hallway. That hallway is, like, probably, like, a fucking mile long. At least. It's a big temple. It's a big temple. It's a big temple. Unless they met him at the fucking station. And we're like, oh, hey, you just landed.

What's up? Like, maybe I'm buying it there. But he had to fucking wheel his little wheelies all the way into the building, find the room that they happen to be... They cut out the part where he uses little rocket boosters. That's the thing. We only see him, like, right before that shot, he was just rocketing along. We should note that the thing that happens is that the bounty hunters shoot off the communications array on the Starfighter, which is why R2 is like, well, I guess I ought to go to Chorusant then. Otherwise, he would have just sent the message from Vincor.

Right. Okay, I missed that beat. Because I was like, obviously, he's going to space. because they're... Signal after. Well, they had like signal fires on planet. But then he goes all the way there, and I was like, that's...

They had jammed the signal while he was on planet, and then he went to outer space to try and send the message, and then Boba Fett sniped his antenna off the fucking ship, and then that's why he had to make the hyperspace decision. So, you know, he did what he had to. You got it done. It's fine.

It's just very funny. The rescue is carried off without a hitch. Mace gives R2 a slightly respectful nod. But not with sufficient respect. Agreed. Mace doesn't understand that like the MVP is right there. And he should be the, he should, speaking of templates, R2 should be a template for all the droids they use. Agreed.

That would turn the tide of this war. Anyway, we have now come to. the end of this arc with this final episode lethal takedown

and for this one shows pulling out all the stops and giving us degenerates us deviance exactly what we want by the end

of this episode I had moved from being a plow bro to a ploho I just have to say that bro he's so good his fit is so tight

good. He, like, retroactively, he says shit to Asoka that we wanted to say to Asoka many episodes ago, which is, like, just incredible. Also, he gets so much good mass detail in this episode. They always show his face and you see the, like, gorgeous engraving. Like, shout out to Plocoon. Well, it's all in the service of, you know, this show's place of power, which is a Coruscant criminal underworld story

where Plokun, there's only one way to get to the bottom of this whole hostage crisis and that is by taking Asoketano to an even seetier level of Corrassan. You think you've seen the slums. You think you've been to dive bars. You think

you've been to the cyberpunk like underbelly of Corrassan. You haven't seen shit. You didn't even go down the big elevator tube yet. You gotta go. Yeah. We stopped. We never went down the big two. We were at the very top. We thought this is as low as it goes. No, we're going down to the core. We thought they put trash in that tube, but actually that's where the people

live. One thing that I especially loved about the way that they set this up actually is because the last time we saw Asoka go to like a shitty bar. Anakin was like, hey, you're 12. Can you wait outside? Whereas Flood was like, no, no, no, I need you on this mission. Come inside with me. And be chill. Yeah. Be chill. That's the one thing you have to do. He's, he is teaching Asoka, what it takes to walk the mean streets, of course, what takes to be, to do like good Jedi shit. Meanwhile, the bounty

hunter's hostage plot, it's yet another stage to try and make Hondo happen as they head to floor them to do their swap. But with Mace out of play and the body count getting ever longer, Boba's

beginning to question the purpose of this quest and whether Ora Singh is really the mentor he thinks she is. ultimately in this episode boba is going to confront a crisis of conscience and hondo for some reason is going to guide the once and future bounty hunter to the path of compromised honor and uh soka is going to be able to track down and apparently kill sing uh boba by the end of this would be taken into jedi custody and uh that will bring the second season to a close uh but yeah i think this episode has a lot of the highlights um we get the we get another hostage video uh being sent to the Jedi uh to really spook him um but it's kind of bleak shit like you got you got boba i think the kind of the heart the heartbreaking detail for this for me is like boba keeps trying to explain he's not really that

bad yeah you know what i mean he like he goes behind the the bounty hunter's back he goes to the hostages and it's trying to explain like this isn't what i wanted i you know if it were up to me like you guys wouldn't be our hostages like this is all gone bad um and that's not going to cut it and we see the results of that sort of ambivalence when we see the hostage video by the way i wouldn't i wouldn't send my hostage video with this part out i would have edited this i would have done something austin uh cut out the part where the kid uh like uh freezes on the trigger yeah but they leave it in they're just like we don't have time to edit this i don't know how to work from here uh so they just leave in the part where it's like

like, if you do not deliver to us one million kilos of spice or something like that, we will execute one clone every hour. I don't give a shit. But they said in the video, complete with the part where Boba doesn't shoot. They're supposed to headshot one of the clones, and Boba's like, no, I can't. Or is like, for Christ's sake, kid. And shoots him. Shoots the clone, not Boba, yes.

Yeah, not Boba. But yeah, and that launches the investigation. Like, where do we find this canny bounty hunter or a saying? We should, before we even get there, we should talk about O'B, or Anakin and Mace hanging out together in their hospital room. Where Anakin's like, we can't let the word get out that the Barksdale crew is soft. They have on They have on outfits that are like pajamas I know that it's medical gear

Or medical Or medical robes or whatever But on the They look like they just fucked Is the thing That comes in on them Mace is kicking back in bed Looking at the iPad

He's in a very specific position You know the position If you know the position The position is Anakin is And he's on his Darth VIII pose like literally in the arms behind his back looking out the Jedi temple looking like like a conquering hero and he went to get the towel yeah and Mace is like mm-hmm I'm checking up on on social media real quick and Anakin has some questions and that's where Anakin is like so what's up with the Django Fet shit I'm just saying the caption on Star Wars.com says they're wearing sleepwear I'm happy for them I'm glad they have release and support they need it both of them Yeah, absolutely

With each other I mean I understand If you're a fictional character Especially I understand the benefit of Fucking someone that you really hate And really doesn't trust you But like

They went to a very emotional There's some power dynamics here Oh it's bad Not for me I wouldn't do it Good for them Anyway Couldn't be me but I'll watch

This is that conversation This is that conversation you mentioned that is like, are you going to, base literally says, is there something I should be doing about this? And Anakin is like, uh, be a hero? Like, go track him down and deal with this. Yeah. The fact that he literally says bring him to justice is just so outside of Anakin Skywalker to me. Like, I, it really just struck me. Well, no, but I think he's trying to figure out what's the Jedi way to put, fuck that kid up.

Okay, I want to fuck that kid up. That kid just killed a lot of clones. And we know how Anakin feels about clones. Yeah. He loves his clones. Yeah, I feel like that's the Anakin. What, he's not even really framing it that way. Like, I mean, he is kind of, but he's specifically saying, like, this kid destroyed an entire cruiser trying to get to you.

Right. And you're just going to let it go. You think that that's about like, that means he's going to keep killing people to get to you. And if you don't stop it, that's kind of on you. Yeah. like this this is this is this kid's on a path right he's going to continue to try and find you and do whatever it takes and with whoever whoever else he's with to who like may do much bigger worse shit in order to help like help this dude like this is just going to continue so why like are you going to put a stop to it and the fact that it's framed

the fact that Mace frames it as revenge is very bizarre to me because Anakin is seeing the future of this continuation of the hunt basically for Mace Windew and Mace Windu's specific response is

so I should behave as this child does I should seek revenge and Anakin is like how is it revenge if you stop this kid and bring him to justice and Mace's response is in case you haven't noticed, we are fighting a war. Yeah, dude, that's why we can't lose any more.

But that's why we can't lose any more star cruisers, because we need those to lose against General Grievous. Dude, the war. Yeah. You know, that does bring to light a thing that I was thinking of, which is that, like, nobody seems concerned about the actual conceit of this episode, which is that a bounty hunter was able to go into, like, the clone database to put in some fake kid's name and get him

onto a StarCruiser. And none of the adults of the room were like, that's fucked up, huh? We should look into that. We already know that the Republic doesn't give a fuck about Infosec. They don't give a shit.

Their passwords are password. That's it. Sometimes it's Padme. Awesome. Sometimes it's Padme. It's either password to Padmae. Those are your two fucking options. So often incorrect our intelligence is.

Yeah, like this is. So, yeah, I don't know. I think I think Anakin, the thing I find interesting about this conversation is I think Anakin is actually much more from the shoulder. Like, yes, I think he's pissed off that like all those people like were killed in this. But I also do think there's this weird element of, I don't know, I do see an element of you're seriously going to take this from Anakin to May. like that to me it feels a little bit like there is a reputational element to this

that Anakin had started talking around that like Mace I think someone correctly doesn't say like I think when Mace calls it out his revenge I think he is kind of saying some of the truth of what Anakin is arguing which is you can't let something like this lie now I think there's good reasons why you can't let it lie you just pointed them out like this kid is incredibly dangerous, but I feel like his bewilderment that Mace is not churning over this is much more personal. This is much more of like a revent, like the Jedi are on it. Like they're like, Plow's working the case. But it's the fact that Mace doesn't seem bothered by it that seems to be weirding

Anakin out. My, the thing, if I have to make a read on this, it is that Anakin, the sort of, of reputational thing isn't my read. What's my read is that Anakin is someone who likes, who believes that conflict and confrontation lead to solutions. And Mace is deathfully afraid of confronting this in an intimate and intense way,

which is part of why I love the end of this episode. I spent this whole episode being like, it's weird they did this whole episode and didn't spend any time about Mace confronting his actions and what the cost of his action was. and even though he was justified in defending himself against Django Fet, that we have this knock-on effect that leads to other people dying and da-da-da-da-da. It's weird that they just sidesteped that. And then the end of this episode was like, oh, sidestepping it was the point.

Like, Mace doesn't go out there and do this because it allows him to not have to confront what it means to be a soldier directly. And then you can let someone else kind of be an instrument of going to solve that problem without needing to directly connect to, oh, this is a particular person who my actions hurt. Um, and so I, I, it's out of obligation. That what? Like the only, the only reason why after seeing the footage of the hostages, Mace is like, oh, well, I guess I got to go fucking deal with it because he has, but he, but he doesn't because Plow Coon steps in and says, you're too injured. I'm going to go.

And I was like, fuck yes, Plow Coon episode. But it also gives Mace the, Mace isn't that injured. Mace can walk, Mace could go deal with this. Do you know what I mean? And it's that Mace doesn't, Mace doesn't, Anakin, if this was Anakin situation, Anakin would be like, no, I have to deal with this. This is a me thing, you know? Right. Right. Plow specifically calls out, like, your presence would just aggravate the boy. And he's like, okay. Good point. Bye. Like, I'm good. You're right. I don't want to get, I'm going to get back on my phone now. I don't want to rock the boat. I don't want to, I don't want to dig too deep and get at like some emotional truth here. I'm going to go rest. You can go, I'm going to go back to iPad. Y'all go rock. Yeah. It's, it's like, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's. Yeah. It's. It's. inconsequential to him at a certain point. Mace makes decisions every single day that he does not return to.

Like he is like, it's something like, you know, like, you know when you say something and somebody will like come back to you and be like, yo, that thing you said, I haven't stopped thinking about that. And you're like, I don't remember fucking saying that ever in my life, actually. but I'm glad that resonated for you. That's everything he does. You think he even remembers the Zillow Beast? Do you think he even remembers the arc of the Zillow Beast a week later?

Hell no. No. Be mindful. I'm living in a moment. Only the worst versions of those things, though. But he's in the moment, but he's detached from the moment. Like he is not in the past. He's not really in the future.

Although he gestures towards the future and seems to have a lot of uncertainty about it, he's not really internalizing the future in a significant way he's in the moment but he's he's almost like an observer to the moment and is saying like this is probably what should be done like with the whole zillobese he was like we probably we shouldn't be doing this we like from an like an observational standpoint this shouldn't really be happening and then other people step in and take real action to like change the the course of what's in in front of him and he is like kind of just watching it happen and stepping in when he literally has to because he's being confronted with it but otherwise he's not seeking that

confrontation at all well it's like it almost feels like it's it's a part of his changing or part of his training that like he doesn't necessarily need to see himself as part of the solution like aniken does where Anakin thinks to himself I have to change this I to make it right. I have to be an actor in these situations because I feel powerful or I want to make, I want to change things. Whereas Mase is like, it's fine that Plokudin does this. It would probably be better if he does this instead of me. I am a Jedi. I have other things that I could be doing that affects the world where like his personal relationship with Boba doesn't mean anything to him because like he doesn't have an attachment to that situation. It was a thing that

happened to him a year and a half ago. He made this decision in the moment and like whatever's going on with this kid is not on him. Yep. Yep. He has no responsibility to this kid's life path as a consequence

of his action. Boba Fett is a different kid, a different human being as a consequence of, as a direct consequence of Mace Windu. And that does not factor into Mace Windu's

life at all. It is like kind of a human scale version of like kind of how Jedi justice exists in this world right? Like grievous is the product of a macro scale injustice the fact that the Jedi basically came in as not so independent arbitrators

and screwed over his people. Like this is kind of the same thing. Like well once we made our ruling we like our process. If the consequences were bad that's unfortunate but that's nothing to do with us and you shouldn't expect us to care because that would imply that we should somehow feel guilty or concerned about how we handled it.

And we don't, therefore, fuck your feelings. But, of course, we're a Jedi, so we'll say it in a more ornay way. And I just want to know more about Placoon. We're going to learn more about Plowcun. But it's one of those things where, like, Mace is such a particular, he's so cold for so much of this. His inability to connect with people. like ultimately that's kind of his undoing with Anakin um but you see a lot of that here where he is just kind of a um yeah he's just a cold fish uh the past uh the past doesn't

exist uh for him once like he's once he's good with it it doesn't doesn't really it's not really relevant to the situation at hand um plow takes over the investigation uh in the wake of seeing the hostage video and we get we get a really great sequence I'm sorry like it's top I love the flight first of all his ship rules

going down the big two thing his like convertible his like all red sick yeah his fucking Mustang it is like a Mustang it does have that vibe it totally does well and he explains we got to learn the other person that body hunter was or a sing so it puts it all together it's an old associate of Django Fat

I don't know. Stars universe can sometimes be a little too small. I think this is one of those cases. But you do have to explain why did Boba end up being adopted effectively by this crew. But the answer to this is going to lie in the lower depths of Corrassan. And to get there, we're going to have some great animation. We're going to go to the big two. But then also we're going to basically enter Tim Burton's original Batman Gotham.

Yeah. And it's all like... Custom droids. the droids at the gate who are like taking your ticket or whatever to go to actually pass through are great which also implies like social control

like oh sorry there's not free travel between the big levels like that like you have to go through these choke points and they enter this tagged up like metro station and it's a perpetual like night down there with these shafts of light

sort of cut through into the surface of the planet. Also clothes wearing the sickest cloak you've ever seen. When they get on their little like transporters, they get little taxis, they've got display ads on them. Yeah, uh-huh.

Like, which is on you, like, it jumps out. It's like, I haven't seen that upstairs before. But down here, you get on the little transport and you get that fucking taxi TV show just blasting in your face. you know so yeah

this is a different divinness different griminess of Corrason where it's like yeah this is this is effectively a different world a different country

than we've seen inhabited above well it's the most explicit I think like transition because we've seen the Jedi go to like the underbelly of the city before but we've never seen it like this

like any time they've gone like or is this a different space like am I I get the vibe that this is a different space I get the vibe that this is deeper into Coruscant's belly than we've ever been before than like where Sanubei took like

Right that's what I was thinking of any of that stuff really like I that stuff all felt like the you know that you stay in the DC comics comparison Metropolis has bad parts too but this is like going from Metropolis to Gotham, you know, like, this is like, you've stepped into part of the

world where these people don't know, don't know what the Jedi Temple looks like except for in pictures, right? Right. They're like not moving in those spaces at all. You know, you can go to a fancy hut, huts underground bar up in the upper zone, and that can be kind of like, oh, wow, yeah, there's some baddies, there's some baddies here. There's also some baddies here. But the vibe is just this is like, you know, the place that they go is equal parts dive bar, biker bar, like, it's strip club, like, a lot is going on down here in a way that it does not feel. They don't get clocked as Jedi immediately because Jedi don't come around here. Do you know what I mean?

Right. Right. This is not the place where they saw the deaths where they met whatever his name is Slees Bagano. You know what I mean? In attack of the clones. Like, not saying that those bars don't have. some dirt going on in them too, but like, this is a meth bar. You know what I mean? This is not a designer drugs bar. Right. It's striking that, like, you know, there's an airport gate that separates the Jedi Council, the senators, from these people. Like, there's a true division.

Yes. Yeah. Like, what is that? What is the gate? What is that? Who gets to go through it? Like, what does it mean, yeah, what does it mean to pass through and to leave? Are you declaring what you have on you are you do you need a certain passport who could say it's like but that's what's it's communicated that it is not it is not simple you know you need to prepare for that trip in some way and it's it's interesting also in that um you know just you mentioning that it's like so much the show is about like maintain the unity of the republic unity for who right like the notion that well we're all like one government one nation like there are different people in this constituent thing but we're all united in the in the in the south thing this is a oh the internal

like the internal divisions are glass for at least that's one of them is like yeah there's free travel in the republic except in this case like i don't know if it's like this across the board but in the capital city they have instituted some sort of internal border like literally across social strata um which is audacious those those palpatine aren't playing down here. Right. True. True.

Yeah. Who cares what they think. Yeah. It's very, it's, yeah, I have so many questions about it. I have so many, like, I just, I, yeah. It's so, like, unexplained. They go so far down. Yeah.

There's, and there are multiple stations. And there's, and there's more beneath them. They're not at the lowest rung. Right. Like, there are more levels. There are many more levels. It's like a voice. The Senate district is on level 51, 27.

which is Galactic City aka Galactic City so like 5,000 levels it goes up which is wild there's a level 1782 is just a junkyard

just that whole level of the planet it's probably not good down there I don't want to live on 73 either god damn the police down there are different all right I'm going to close all this I hope we get this in closing doors I hope we go back

Otherwise, we're just kind of to write our detective series set down there. So, in the middle, so while Soca and Plow are heading into the lower depths of Corrosan, or the middle depths, really, of Corrassan, we get ORA arriving on Floram, and here's Hondo. and Honda because he's so cool and he's pivotal to everything Turns out he used to date

this incredibly hot bounty hunter Of course And she really sort takes charge Of what's going on here She's crashing his little pirate base Just as she plants a possessive kiss on him Just to let everyone know what the power dynamic is And then he looks at the kid

And he's like He's like Not mine, I take it Like what the fuck is going This whole exchange I was losing it I could Like first of all we land

And I'm waiting for fucking Cadbane Walk up and no no no It's fucking Honda Himself And then she walks up to him And it's like What's up baby? Macin on him

He takes a step back like, whew, oh shit, there's a kid. Not mine, right? Like, what? This poor kid is like, this is not good. This kid needs out of this situation. We need to get him into anywhere else. That's why we don't have Cadbane here because

if Cadbane was in the situation, he would be like, you're not bringing a 12-year-old to my fucking base. Are you out of your mind? Hot is like, it's still. Bring a man. Let's go to the bar. Let's get drinks. Cadd Bain would have been like, yeah, right this way, and let him do a fucking brig and locked him up.

Or he discovers that, like, he blew up a starship, at which point, Cad is like, hey, let me show you how to wire your best friend into a suicide best. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. God. So, but also then we get this, like, again, like, the show likes Honda so much. It loves him so much. It loves Hano. It's like, no, this is Django, son. and this resonates deeply with

Hondo and he's like Django was a good man The fuck do you know about good men Hondo like this bizarre By the end of this Hondo's going to be the moral compass Of the underworld Like stop trying to make Hondo

In a talent card Okay it doesn't doesn't work I have to say this is the most Hondo's ever worked for me Not because of the Django stuff Which does not work for me But because he's invented a new type of guy in my mind We're all familiar with the wife guy, but now we have an ex-wife guy, which is just incredible. What an incredible development?

Ex-wife guys slash divorce guys have existed forever. And like, he's not a divorce guy. That's not the same thing. Divorce guy energy is different. Divorce guy energy. I think he has a little bit of divorce guy energy here because he's like, no, no, no, because he's so willing to be like, I'm not a part of the situation. Whatever the fuck's going on with her, it's not on me. Don't come shooting me. It's all good. I mean to let you know up front. I think it's the fact that he feels obliged to almost deal with whatever shows up through the door. That's it.

That, like, your ex-wife, you, like, no, the days when you can do that, this is why we're not married anymore. Like, so you can't do this. That's a divorce guy. Divorce guy goes, like, I'm close to the door. I'm not fucking with you anymore. I'm going to go deal. I'm going to go try to date someone 10 years of my younger and be a fucking sleaze ball about it. Yeah.

That's divorce guy energy. Sure. Yes. ex-wife guy is like, yeah, she was a bad bitch. She was. You know, I used to be in her life like that. Did you know that? And that's how he is.

He is, like, proud. She wild, though. She wild, though. She needs her freedom. You know. She needed it. She needed it. I couldn't give it to her.

I told her she could keep me in a long leash if she wanted to, but she dropped me. But I don't feel bad about that. I can't feel anything. It's hot. Yeah. You know she keep that antenna in her, too. That's just built. her head. I was there when she got that.

I just, I deeply do not approve of his interaction with Polkud, especially as far as R is concerned. I don't know why he's not like, he's not, like, he's not sort of going to defend her or be in her corner, like, even a little bit. Even a little bit. That's why he's ex-wife guy, not a wife guy. He's not neutral at the very least. Like, he's actually truly neutral. Yeah. Uh, we, I, we again, I still don't see what our various friends see in I got a text from another friend who was not even mentioned by name on the previous one. Hello, I hope you're doing okay. I'm sorry that I still don't love Honda the way you love

Honda. I hope this is the first small step in that direction. So, okay, I will defend Honda on this point. Here we go. The Honda Defender is logged on. He still has a thing for his hot, scary axe. Uh-huh. Yeah. but she is very scary both in herself and also the trouble she's bringing to the door because let's not overlook what happens next he's having a good reunion like wow jango's kid wow it's crazy hey man you're trying to quit or his crew hey don't feel bad about it i've been there

we all been there right buddy uh i know what it's like to try to run on this girl uh it gets it gets it's way too it's way too much and guys like yeah i need to place a call and he's like right over there. And he's like, all right, let me put this call on speakerphone for the whole bar and the hologram up for the whole, I'm going to have the speakerphone

FaceTime call in the middle of the bar and I'm going to shit talk my boss in the room with her and she has. But it's a bar, she got to really yell to be heard. And she has a motherfucking antenna in her head that she can circumnavac

Yeah, locate, echo locate, my phone call. And she also then takes out a second listening device that she puts in her ear. Yeah, she puts, she puts the Bluetooth thing. Let me, let me, let me tune up. Let me like, te la-le-le-beep, but. Let me get the clearest signal on this shit talking. So I know exactly what this motherfucker said when I shoot him in the head in two seconds. In this bar.

And then Honda's like, yeah, she's crazy, huh? can't do nothing when she comes around to the point of like I'm not even going to get in the way of these Jedi running her off the planet I actually kind of do like the thing is

aura's got to go by that point like the thing is by that point has gone too far like this whole swap is going bad and there's a kid in the middle of it like I kind of get why Honda's like you know what I'm not even going to run interference for this

like just she's right over there like please just keep me out of it at this point you know she'll be back I think so but we'll get there there has to be more or a saying for sure

by the way though the aura cares about so a bartender pours two drinks as unclear who they're for boba lunges for the one next to Honda and Honda seems like he'll be like all right yeah

Way to go, Kitt. And she's like, no, no, Boba. Come on. You're a child.

Glad she has some moral compass, question marks. I think she wants to raise him to be the best Boba fat he can be. Provided doesn't inconvenience her. Yeah, provided he pays his way effectively.

Yeah. He's an investment. He is a favorite apprentice. Right. Right. It's weird because it really, does flip-flop a lot in terms of her, like, seeming to legitimately feel a responsibility to him to outright manipulation. But, like, the way that the situation unfolds with her, like,

trying to get Mace Window for him. Like, she starts by being, like, we're going to sell these hostages to the separatists. And then, like, is just willing to kill one for Mace Windu? So, he'll come through. Like, that's, that's money right there. You know, they could have something for not for not. For not. knocking out the Star Destroyer or whatever, right? Like, they have to, there had to be some smaller bounty on we knocked out a Star Destroyer or at least a, like, we'll be able to pivot that into a new job or we get some sort of pay up front or something, you know?

Yep. So, yeah, that's one of those things, though, where, like, you go to the quest dispenser and you, like, don't, you're, like, knocking out a starship, that sounds way too hard, and you don't take that one, but in the process of doing the mission, you knock out the starship, but now you don't get paid for it. I think that is the tragic situation. It's a bummer one that happens. They only have five slots for side missions

and they didn't take the high risk, high reward one. We do get to the... So, Castas, who's the guy who she murdered for diming them out to another scumbag, the other other than that calls on Coruscum. And we cut back to

Plow's undercover work tutorial with Asoka. plow's wearing an incredible um like cloak it's an all time it's an all time it's such a good incredible incredible detailing incredible texture incredible a pattern uh and osoka is finally getting some good well okay she only had one afternoon with master snooby and he actually did a pretty decent job of like mentoring but plow is definitely here being like so you're being badly trained he's

nice enough to not say it directly but he's like you need to be more subtle and by more subtle I mean subtle at all um let's just try to get useful information out of this and so he takes her into the bar and yeah as you said austin um a bar that has too many things going on it is frequently like a small bar with a lot of things going on in it is often not a good bar um and this is this is about the size of a living room And we have dancing, music, and a lot of hard drinking. I just found some incredible plocoon shit. That shows up here, and I didn't look into it until this moment, and I should have.

Do you remember when he puts the lightsaber down on the bar to announce that he's a Jedi, to the cool bartender, to the cool edgy? Do you remember that he has on like a thing on one of his hands, on one of his fingers? Do you remember this? I did not remember that. So he puts it in the lightsaber, and he's on his middle finger. He has four fingers. a thumb and then kind of three other other fingers he has on like a what looks like a cool decorative like talon armor thing yeah ploko also had armored talons that were based on a

traditional keldor design he's keldor that's his species they were used to protect his sensitive fingertips and were also able to focus and increase the range of his force powers what Also, where's Plow Coon getting his nails done? Because shout-outs. Shout-outs. Incredible work. I hope he's tipping that nail-tech, good, because those are... Those are looking fucking nice.

I might have to bring that into my nail tech next time I'm going. Uh-huh. Hey, can you give me these? I want to give me the Plow-Coon treatment, please. Yeah, give me that Plow-Coon. I'm begging you. That's, that's... Plow-Coon is so fucking cool.

This does not, okay, this does not show up. This does not show up in Clone War, so I have no problem spoiling it. He has a special technique that only he has called Electric Judgment, also known as Emerald Lightning. What? How did the names keep getting better? It is a yellow, orange, or green force energy instead of the blue or white Sith Lightning. He can do Sith Lightning. But it's good

So it's good guys Darth Plagius says A Jedi sufficiently strong And the Force can be trained To produce a facsimile But not true Sith Lightning Apparently it was very controversial God I wish he'd been in on the bust

I know If he'd just been on Corusant Where it's like we're going to go pick up We're going to go pick up Palpatine It'd be over It would have been done It would be done for that

When he does his own And leaps through the air And does that little spin just plo being like pull and just like zapping him out of the air absolutely it would have been so sick god incredible

god damn it we see we see plows oh my god wait I have to keep reading yeah all right sorry I'm sorry no it's good it's good no this is really important to me it's on a list of forbidden force techniques

and class right is prohibited by use by genit Knights a few Jedi masters which is Plokoon are resetting the technique in using under control conditions During a mission to capture a criminal known as Dreed Pommel, Plough Coon confronted him at a sweet in a city of extra, or extra, some other place, Mattelios. Pommel had taken a young girl hostage and killed her entire family.

During the encounter, Coon led out a barrage of lightning at Pommel's head and then a second burst of lightning that knocked him unconscious. He immediately reported this incident to the Jedi Council and stated that he had not felt any anger or fear as he led out the blast of forced lightning, but was indeed calm and in control of his emotions. The council asked him to contemplate whether he felt it was wrong of him to have utilized its power during the mission and whether he would use it again.

After much meditation, Kuhn concluded it would be wrong with him to ignore its power and that he should develop it into a useful technique. As requested by the council, he recorded his experiences with the Force Lightning that he dubbed electric judgment on the Great Holocron. So he had a mission where he was like, you know what, kna, bzit, and knocked the guy out with the force lightning. And then he was like, all right, I'm a Jedi. What do

I do? I do. I got to go, what do you think? And they're like, he was like, oh, I got this. I got it. Oh, electric judgment, yeah, I'm good. This is safe. Yeah, this is. I'm going to be good at this. I can do this. Yeah. And that's it. I'm not evil. Because he gets killed by Order 66, this never blows up in his face. So as far as we know, he had it under control. And that's why We are all plow bros on this podcast.

Again, I just love the image of like there being other like Padawan who are like rolling with him. It's sort of training day situation. And it's just like, was that Sith Lightning? No, that was electric judgment. You might know it by the name Emerald Lightning. I have that trademarked. Don't use it.

Bro, are you off that Emerald Lightning right now? now it's totally cool because i wasn't angry i calmly electrocuted that man i was super chill i love this i was laughing actually it was a vibe alley oh no i just love this division because like of course if you're pro coon you're going to be like oh the lightning i have it's eternal judgment don't worry about it But if you're another guy, you're going to be like, yeah, he fucking got me with some emerald lightning, and now, like, I'm out for a couple days. Yeah. Oh, yeah, hey, whatever that guy's name was, Pommel, why can't you make it into work today?

You won't fucking believe it. A Jedi, a lecturer. Only Sith do that. No, no, no, no, no, no. This was a Jedi. He hit me with that emerald lightning. Trust me. Is that allowed?

Yeah, he was super calm while he was doing it. I'm pretty sure, you know, like, I just had to take it, like, he was, he was really chill about it, so, like, it was cool. But he's not a Sith, but, like, yeah, I'm not going to come into work tomorrow. God, anyway, they're in a bar. Anyway, also, interesting thing to me about these, this episode, uh, one, as As As As Soka's walking into the bar, as Polakoun and Assook are walking into the bar, she's like, this is the fifth. bucket drinking hole we've been to. So they've struck out four times. Like, Asoka's fucked up four times in the past four bars, doing some wild shit.

Probably, like, taking lightsaber to fools' throats and threatening them and doing just nutty shit. Yeah. Uh-huh. Asoka shit. And Polko was like, listen, there are only, like, three more bars left down here. You really can't fuck it up anymore. And she's like, all right, all right.

so his his advice to her is you you got to listen because when people start drinking they start talking and I thought it was very uh like it felt very uh explicit that drinking was such a like like thing in this episode like as as Boba Fett is like in the bar and there's like this like statement about no boba like none for you and then we immediately go to this and polkoons like listen like people say shit when they drink like say shit that they don't want you to hear like it felt like a kind of a weird like dare moment to me like look guys like look at what drinking does to you and it stars the number one uh stereotype drunk guy gets taken and has his own dudes pull one over on him,

character of all time, Hondo and Naka, who famously in his debut got too drunk and his boys pulled one over on him. And Anakin and, and Obi-Wan got drugged via drink in that episode too. Maybe that's what Oro was thinking during the Don't Know Boba,

but don't drink that, is this man's been known to knock people out via drink. We don't drink shit at his bar. But she was drinking. Did she drink? I don't know that we see her drink Because remember she kills Cassus right after I remember it very vividly

Because I remember She does, she does She does I found it It's nice and crushable Anyway So we get We go into the ship club

Asoka tries something different here Having hurried Flo Coons admonishment While Plow meanwhile is not being subtle He's just putting that lightsaber on the bar You know Being like Why don't you just tell me what I want to know but I do also enjoy the bartender being like

don't act like you give a shit what are you doing down here and Paul tries to pull the Jedi always are interested always care for the welfare of citizens of the Republic yeah he says we are never too busy for the citizens of Republic which is like come on okay bud sure that's the fucking official line

on the fucking t-shirt or whatever anyway back to my convertible once I clear once I use my Jedi passport to just bypass the slum customs But Assoca Meanwhile tries something different She tunes in and listens

And I do enjoy this It's a bit of a sixth sense type thing Where like Bruce Willis Sort of like hears He's just tuning into the people around him And like what's on their minds The evil things are on their minds Most of is pretty mundane

What Asoka hears are people like Some people really anxious about like Just how the war is devastating the like livelihoods of people down here. Then there's the standard like you know there's two guys arguing over who's going to get to go out with the stripper

the answer is neither of them and then she hears somebody being like wow it was wild I was just on the phone with my buddy and he got killed he's on Florum where you know I told him not to work with Oras Singh

but he did and now he died on Florum where she used to date the boss there You know that new bounty hunter you've been looking for? Well, listen to this. And Asoka is like You've heard enough

But she's like, I'm going to edge even closer Until she gets caught At that point we get a bit of Like again Plow doesn't Plow would rather not kill everyone in a bar But he seems ready to but he just doesn't have to

people are like you can't you can't take us all Jedi we'll get to you before you make the door and he basically flings money on the ground and bounces Actually Assoca does it It's Assoca's money trick Yeah

Hey all you pours She says She doesn't say that But It's in line with how we've seen her It's a little Dickensian Down there really Where it's like

Corv Wyoming It's a sovereign And it's like these people have money, man I don't think they're gonna... They're at the club, like... They're paying for drinks. They got bikes out front. They got shit.

They don't have like uptown money. They don't have fucking Senate, you know, they can't go to a Senate bar where there's $15 beers or whatever, but... Yeah, but they're at the strip club. They brought their bills. Yes. They got drinks on drinks. Yes.

They're letting loose Friday night. They show out. come on I hated the way like even even if they were like okay Assoc is going to do this shitty thing and throw money at them I hated the way they all turned towards the money and started I was like that's not what they're no they wouldn't like they would just be like get the fuck out of our bar arguably that's even more offensive and even more likely to get your your ass kicked yeah 100% it just felt so like also they kind of just like lazily walk away after that they're not like all right let's get the fuck out of here they're like slowly walking back to their little well well in the window if you look at the so as they leave the building she throws the money they exit the building and if you look in the window as they're standing outside people start fucking hitting like bashing each other like look through the window yeah uh-huh sure I see over the money. And it's like, dude, what? That's not the vibe. That bartender seemed chill.

That bartender feels like he would have raised a different, or like had a different control over that space. That seemed like a spot where everyone was just kind of hanging. Yeah, he was like, don't shoot up my bar, please. This is not, that's not this spot. Like, that's not, this isn't Hondo's bar where somebody just got murked. And Hondo's like, all right, clean it up. Another round.

Right. Let's go. This is not that spot. That's how it goes, I guess. That guy's name, by the way, Tiggs Leo. I love his design. I love his piercings. I love that he has four eyes.

There's, like, high eyes and low eyes, and the low eyes have the piercings. It's good. So much here feels like a monkey island adventure, and this bar-tender definitely feels that way. I think Hondo really is... I think what's starting to come into focus for me is Hondo is a real, like, Guy Briss-Threepwood-type character in some ways. Like, if he were permitted the delusion of continuing to believe that he's like a pirate warlord, I think Hondo is kind of that, where, like, he's in charge, but it's kind of a loose operation. And he's mostly kind of a passive schmuck.

We get a taste of that as we cut back to the Jedi are now arriving on Florem armed disinformation that Asoka has gleaned. And we see him, we see Hondo. check out of Singh's plot. She asks, you know, final, final, uh, you know, last chance. Like, are you in or are you out? And, uh, he finishes his drink, slams it down,

it's like, I won't help you, but I won't hinder you. And, yeah, I mean, I guess I think technically being quite this passive with the Jedi counts as hindering aura, I will say. Yeah, but he had, like,

there's like a working relationship there. Like, Honda knows that there, he's going to continue to encounter the Jedi. He needs, like, somewhat of like, he can't burn that bridge for ORA.

X-wife vibes. This, this is business. Yeah. Like, the first thing he says to Plokoun, he's like, listen, I'm not involved in this shit. I got my spice. I got my bar.

I got my boys That's it That's it What she's on I'm not on And And Plokun's like All right

Where the fuck is she It's just It's just self-preservation Which is like Fine he's a pirate That's his thing But like That doesn't make him

Cool or interesting Or fun to watch No I'm still not team Hondo This is a guy who Like the minute The Jedi are gone

He's gonna go back to rigging monkey lizard Fives 100% This is It's just not It's just not it That's the thing

That I've been trying to think of With Polk I'm sorry With Honda I know It's very late We do this for a little I'm sorry

I'm very tired Where like I've been trying to think about Like what's cool about pirates Right Because like the fact that he drinks Isn't a problem Because it's a pirate thing

But the fact that he drinks And it doesn't make him More efficient Or cooler Or like More suave on camera sucks. Like, it's a bad thing. Like, the fact that, like, there's a mutiny or that, like, you know, it's, you don't expect pirates to be, like, ride or die, but, like, he doesn't come off

up top. He doesn't, like, seem confident. He can't get one over on the people who want something against him. Like, it's just... The UFO ship is corny. Yeah. There's a lot of, like, yeah, he doesn't, he's not, like, a cool pirate. There are cool pirate characters in the world. He's just not one of them. Yeah. It's shame. it is a shame sorry sorry to the hondo squad out there

all of the hondo stands who watch this show should be aura stands like i don't understand this see i don't love her either i i left us being like all right i you are a big thing here is like i don't love her voice she doesn't feel like a character you know how like friends at the table there are lots of characters around like i try to find a voice and there are characters i'm like i'm tired i just yeah uh come on in take a seat wherever that's or a sing to me yeah i'm not saying the person who did the voice acting

didn't do what they were directed to do what she was directed to do um but i just don't love the direction on her voice because i i there's not much for me to like grab onto especially in an episode that has these other big voices in the shape of plow coon and hondo who like is going for in this huge way and even the boba fett character has a lot to to play with in terms of the, you know, his, the trepidation in his voice, whether he's willing to go for something or not, there's a lot happening there. And her voice is, like, so, like, yeah, she's talking. There's a character who's talking.

Yeah, she doesn't have main character energy. Yeah, she doesn't have, like, had Bain voice energy. You know what I mean? Oh, true, yeah. I wish she had a little more flavor. And the Star Wars can be bad with flavor. We know this. Like, maybe I should just be grateful that she isn't, like, some ethnic stereotype.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But I, there's not. enough for me to hold on to in her performance. I like her, her, uh, you know, her adeptness. I like the fact that she's able to like do the stuff that she does here and, and, uh, kind of her vibe, her energy walking in on Honda space. The way that she manages her crew, uh, in the previous episode is cool. But I just, yeah, I, I left us not being a huge or a sing fan either, unfortunately. Yeah. There's two things here. In terms of her like voice acting, I think the

best she sort of gets is when you first see her interact with Boba Fett. But like even that is not like it's not like an appealing act because like the note that I wrote down is like you wouldn't be in the situation where you have to say grow up to a conspirator if you didn't have a 12 year old assassinate people for you. Like and that's some points against her. And then the other thing, and we don't have to spend a lot of time on it, but it's just another nightmare of a woman's body designed by this team. Like the fact that it's, it's breasting. and then carved out under her ribs is like, I don't know why y'all keep doing this, but, you know.

They said women be wearing waist trainers and nothing else. Yeah, the eating disorder chic that her and Pad may have are not. It's not chill. It's not. It's fucked up. And like, this is a character who was played by a real human being in a movie, once. Like, not, she's not like a huge character or anything, but she's in episode one.

And, like, this is not like they, like, they had a model to go off of. And that model has a human body and not this. I mean, same thing with Natalie Portman. Right. Yeah, 100%. You're right. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. It's bizarre. But instead, the animators are like, we're just, we're just hot for Aeon Flux. Right. Yeah. We're just going to keep doing it. Right.

Right. Um, but what if she was nice? and would fuck us. Anyway. So, we've got the standoff. And, yeah, so, okay, in terms of other things that don't land.

So we have the abortive negotiating sequence between her and plow, which seems really poorly conceived. Like, you're sitting around to a bargaining table with two Jedi. Like, this is not going to go well. They're magicians. Like, literally, like,

You can't keep your eye on what they're doing. That's what they do. But she thinks like she's going to, you know, if we don't do this deal, Basquez and a waste of these guys. And it all goes bad. We get some intimation that, like, Plow tries to draw, tries to divide her and Boba, where she says, like, I'm willing to do anything to get,

Boba Get what Boba wants And Plow is like It sounds like That's what you want And I don't know I feel like

We're in this so deep That They both want it But the other part of this Is when it all goes When it all goes sideways And All Hell breaks loose

Like Boba opens fire On Asoka She uses her cool Rocket boots To like Demolish the room where they're having the bargaining session.

But when the dust clears, Plow has grabbed hold of Boba, and he's like, I got the kid, like, you better get back here, and she runs out. And Bobba's like, please don't leave me. And this is the moment he realizes, like, I guess she didn't care about me.

Now, in the world of a child, I can see how we get that. But the weird thing is the episode also seems to be like, she's now shown her true colors. And it's like, I don't know, broke bad. Like, what is she supposed to do at that point? Like, she did everything she could to get them both out of that. Now he is literally being, like, he's pretty much got the cops on him,

being held by one of the most badass Jedi master, the most badass Jedi Master we encountered. Yeah. Like, I don't know. If I'm already saying, it's a rap. Like, you're sorry. Yeah, but that's the dissonance, right? Like, Boba Fett is looking at her as essentially a parent figure at this point.

Like, the tension of the standoff is that Boba thinks that if he shoots, ORA will die. Asoka will kill Oura, and he does not want her to die. And then she's like, don't worry about it, kid. And she, you know, then the camera pans down to her rocket boots. and we see Boba Fett's eyes like follow and we see him look down and she's like, they have like this like, okay, it's going to go down.

But Asoka doesn't notice that Boba's looking under the table when she says that? Like that made no fucking sense to me. I was like, that does not make sense. That's bad like fucking whatever direction for that whole scene. Just didn't make any sense to me. But anyway, he looks at her like this parental figure

he thinks that she's going to like drop the weapon and like say okay you're taking me too then or you know or try and make some sort of exchange try and try and try and like something do some thing he has a very particular relationship with parenthood which is that he doesn't have any parents what he has is a story and the memory of his father who yeah could have had anything in the world and chose to have a son that's that he i mean he got paid off that too but the thing he had the most precious thing he had was his son and there is a mythologizing happening in his own mind and through people like hondo who are like oh your father was so honorable or whatever in which he has this image he didn't get to know his father long enough to be disappointed by his father right and so he's a very particular vision of what parenthood is which is or idea and i think it goes both ways because he's also like i would do anything for my parents i would do anything for my father I would kill, I would destroy a Jedi Starcruiser to get revenge from my dead father. So of course, this maternal figure for me, who I love, would give her life in exchange her mind, would try something.

So I think the fact that she doesn't even try after it breaks bad, he isn't considering her a co-conspirator in the plot. He's really reading her as dysmethologized mother that he's never had. And, you know, I think she taught him the best lesson she could teach him in a way, which is that like, when it all comes down, to a kidded to you. Like, you've got to get yourself out of there at a certain point. But she hasn't totally, like, abandoned him just yet. Like, she, like, to me, like, her, her motive now is to get to the hostages. Right. Which is where Plow Coon's going to end up. Like, there's still a way that Boba Fett leaves this planet with aura. Yeah. I think that's true. And I think it's not. Because she doesn't know the next thing is going to happen. Right.

Yeah. She doesn't know that Asoka's going to cut one of the fucking fins off of Slave 1, which I think that bookings bad. No, I'm talking about Hondo. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Like, Flo is like, as we all know, Hondo is the protagonist of reality. I am going to bring this child. Maybe you can talk some sense into him. And Hondo is like, son, let me tell you about your father.

He was a mercenary who died doing mocap and chess. problems for abandoned bad scientists. Wait, no, that's not what he says. He says, instead, your father would have, your father would have told them where the hostages are. Yeah. It's the honorable thing to do. I'm reversing the order. I'm doing that all night.

But, like, he says, your father, it's the honorable thing to do, and your father would have done it. And that is all it takes. Not true. Not true at all. Like, that's what he, like, if you really would have followed his. footsteps, yeah, you should kill Plokood. Keep going down.

He killed his accomplice. Yeah. Like, he, like, literally, he sniped an accomplice, like, on a mission who went bad. But, yeah, like, and I don't even know if, like, is Hondo just doing the thing where it's like, I know, yeah, I don't have to manipulate this kid. I've sized him up. I don't know. I will just say any words. It's just, I think Hondo, he's played so hard as, like, having this, like, slight more.

compass like he he has like he he he's the one that the Jedi can reason with like they can have like this like like on the cliff top like Anakin and him having like that whole moment like they're they can level with each other like I feel like that's it's been established for his character and the fact that plow coon is walking up to him like hey man can you talk some sense into this kid like he doesn't want to give up where the hostages are and the kid is like yo my mom just left me I have no one. I don't owe anyone anything anymore. Why the fuck would I help plow coon a Jedi?

Like, why would I do any of this? And Hondo is like, he, he's doing, he thinks he is, like, giving him the objectively good moral, like, moral advice. Like, hey, man, like, you just, you, your father would have done it, which, question mark, question mark, question mark. but you have to basically saying you have to reason with a Jedi you have to level with them like that is the thing that is the lesson here is that like when a Jedi is asking you questions like this like at a certain point you got to give up the answers because there is the end of that negotiation is you in jail

or you dead so like that's yeah and I think this is kind of the stuff that So, last we saw of Hondo, he was trying to knock over a village full of a Moxasota, basically. Like, that's what he was doing. He was like, I'm going to terrorize this village badly until they give me their penicillin plants. And I won't let myself be deviated from this until, like, the cost-benefit swings. and we've had a good fight, whatever. But, like, yeah, the thing is,

like, maybe it's because we only see him through the lens of these other characters, like that he presents different faces to them at different moments. But, yeah, I think, like, in some ways, the opportunity that's missed here is, like, if Honda is going to be kind of a shit-heel mentor to Buba,

where he's, like, a survivor, He is corrupt but not evil. That he is, you know, pragmatic but not, like, necessarily cowardly. Then the answer here to Boba's dilemma is they got you, kid. You know what I mean? It's like this is the part where you get one. Here's your bargaining chip, information, and you got to play it out. But again, Boba probably wouldn't hear that.

He's also playing to Boba's insecurity. Because Bob was saying, I feel alone, and he's like, your dad, like, he's specifically playing to that vulnerability of like, okay, well, the person that would have been here if it weren't, you know, like speaking to a relationship that he's had, would have done this thing, which is not fucking true. But it's, yeah. Yeah. We don't, the thing we're saying, go ahead, go ahead. It just feels like the, like, the generous reading is that, that Hondo is looking at the situation for what it is. and being like, okay, telling Boba to do this is in his best interest. I'm just going to tell him to do it, whatever.

Whereas, like, the unfair one would be, like, he's only further manipulating the memory of Django Fet there. And, like, that's fucked up, and you can't deny that that's fucked up. And, like, I guess the thing that's frustrating about the scene is that it's both, right? And, like, how are we supposed to really feel about Hondo in this moment? Yeah. I think the answer is, my read on this is that Dave Faloni really loves Hondo-Anaka. Django Fett, Boba Fett.

Like, dead-ass. So the Faloni zone for this was him, oh, he opens his Faloni zone by being like, I was going to direct lethal trackdown. He did directly. I think he mean that, I think this comes in on a weird quote where he's like, there's going to be a trilogy and I was going to direct lethal trackdown.

I was going to direct lethal trackdown. And I put more thought into this trilogy of episodes than I have ever anything than anything else we've ever done. I gave Floraa complete overhaul. I wanted Hondo's place to feel like it had been stealing all this military gear from the Clone Wars. It was a big goal of mind to make that place look better.

He talks about how Honda's office was designed after his own office. He had the set dressers come up to reference his place because he needs stuff all over the place. And that's why Honda was a hoarder. He likes to collect stuff. This is why Honda is corny because it's inherited cornyness. Because it's inherited cornyness. I fabricated a relationship between Orsing and Honda to give her a reason to go back there. and another dimension to both of their characters.

I thought it was kind of fun to do because, like, well, Hondo's kind of charming. Why not? And identifying that Hondo knew Boba's dad. That was a key ingredient. The rest of this is actually interesting, and it's about, I don't have to read it word for word, but basically he talks about how he went to the composer, Kevin Kiner, about to talk about how he wanted, this is the first time they've had distinct themes, episode to episode, musical themes.

There is a Boba Fett theme. There is an Oras Singh theme. Oris Singh has these harmonicas. that play that are supposed to be kind of discordant and represent her evil the evil future of Boba Fett. Boba Fett thinking about his dad has like a young boy singing a cappella and that's supposed to be like the bright possible future for Boba Fett. And when you listen to him talk about this stuff, it becomes very clear.

He really loves Boba Fett and Hondo and, and or to some degree, but and Django in this way that does not actually come through in the episodes. The story he tells relies on you seeing those characters the way he sees them and they don't do the work because he wrote he's the lead writer on this episode and he's the director on this episode and it comes across as if you're supposed to already be bought in on hondo as a charming guy you're always to be bought in as jenko is like the cool bounty hunter with a moral code that separates him from other people and like that's established in tertiary material that none of us have ever dealt with because it's like prequel tertiary material like the jango fet

video game and like some bobo fat like is a kid as a kid novels that we haven't read you know what i mean like that's in the air at the time that I think he's playing on that stuff but if you don't know that stuff it does not hit it leaves all these gaps and it does yeah I almost need dial in like it is the fact so much of this hinges on I don't know what we're supposed to think of Django that because like my view on him is he was a mercenary who sold himself as a template right to churn out generations of super soldiers like that's what I know about him and also a bit like Boba, he died like a punk. He died like a punk. Like this is the

other part where like there's so much assumption of like and I remember this even at the time when episode two came out where we're like we're finding out the origin for Boba Fed like oh Django Fat there he is and I was like it's always like

it is so weird it was all like Boba Fett fandom was always weird to me like I ultimately it's like it's outfit fetishization and And it's a bit of that, like, yeah, he sacked back at Vader. But ultimately, like, if you looked at the stats, it wasn't that inspiring.

He had, like, one good thing work out, and then he got shot into a big desert, like, sandworm thing. Right, yeah. Yeah. And Django, like, he shoots someone in the back, basically, and then gets his head chopped off by a Jedi for a cause that's not even his own. Like, he doesn't even punch out when he should have. I wouldn't have, like, sorry, you saw, I'm a template. I'm not actually here doing soldiering for you. Yeah.

Yeah. And then, and then in an active, like, I can't read him, like, demanding a child as anything other than just, like, pure narcissism. Like. There's a bit of that, too. Like, that could be Mandalorian shit, though, too. This is stuff that I hope we actually get because we know how important legacy is. culturally for them. But in the context,

it hasn't been established. Like, there's never that much connecting him to Mandalorian at this point. Sure. So, yeah, like,

I kind of agree. There is a bit of, and I want to, I want a mini-me. Yeah. As someone who does not want kids, I think I often overcorrect towards not dismissing

the desire to want to raise a child, because I have none of that. and the... I don't want to dismiss the urge that people have to want to to have that desire in their hearts and don't have the ability to just... Like, he was clearly... Django Fet, as far as we know, was not in an active relationship.

I think it's probably... Yeah, but there are other ways of raising a child that isn't like, let me get another clone. I don't think Janko Fett was going to get approved by any adoption agencies. Sorry. I just don't think that's going to happen. I mean, yeah, you're right. You know, so I like...

For more on that process, check out Waypoint Plus's Thief Podcast. Yes. I don't... Do you want to make the case that like that parent, that parenting in general has a degree of narcissism? Because I, that's how I feel about it. But I don't like to voice that because I know lots of parents, including my own, who have given a lot of themselves to their children and blah, blah, blah. Of course. I think it's mostly that it is literally his clone that, like, it, like, that's a perfect.

Yeah, that is where the narcissism to me lies. And, like, not to even mention how, like, how fucked up Boba Fett must be over the fact that there are, like, literally thousands and thousands of carbon copies of his father and himself, like, out there. And, like, how. He's raised among them. And he's raised among them. And every time he sees them, that's his dad. Like, that is wild. That is so fucked up that, like, your dad is just, like, walking around as a different person, but is, like, for some intents and purposes, not all of them, is your, is still kind of your, like, it's just, it's such a.

It does, but it also renders either inert or just really kind of confusing this notion of, like, when Honda deploys that, what is he saying? Like, is that Honda, like, manipulating again? Is this the show saying, and I think it is this. I think the show is, like, everyone who worked with Django was really impressed, and, like, he sort of lives on in their memory. You know, he was a real one. He didn't, the thing that, like, in the EU is he doesn't betray his employers. He sticks to his word.

He has a code in a way. He has, like, the Fet code, a thing that doesn't exist for other bounty hunters. Like, it's all the shit that people, it's all the smoke people blow up the Bobafet. ass, right? It's all that same, like, oh, he's, he's cut from a different cloth than the other bounty hunters. It's that shit that has been in the fandom for years, and Faloni just has that same shit, but for Django Fet. And, I mean, the whole, the whole premise of this arc doesn't make sense to me for this reason, which is, he goes on and on to talk about how important, how this is all about the future of Boba Fett, which is about, oh, is he going to become light or dark?

Is he, he has these different options? Like, we know who the fuck he's going to become. He's going to become the guy who stands on that Star Destroyer and says, yeah, I'll go find a Han Solo for you. He's a guy who works your job of Fett. Right, but that's nothing. Now to take him frozen in a block for a lifetime torture. Like, he's not even Darth Vader. Do you know what I mean? This has never been the stakes with BobaFat. Bobfet's stakes have never been what his morality is. It's, he's an aim moral mercenary. That's not like good or bad in the world of the light, of the light side versus the dark side. He's not a villain in the way that the emperor is. He's not even that. So I don't understand how that becomes this. Because they're writing him a revenge,

because they're writing him a revenge arc to get him to that place. But we know how Mace Winddue dies. So there can't even be stakes about that. Do you know what I mean? Like, and we know that Boba Fett doesn't become a Jedi hater because we know Boba Fett. We know that Boba Fett doesn't like fuck all the Jedi. Do you know what I? But now that the Mandalorian exists, now it's all gonna pay off. But this is the thing is, it's so hard not to see this arc and think and not think, Faloni said the book of Boba Fett. One day we're gonna get to tell this story about how Boba Fett da da da da da and and I'm curious what that is. Like, I don't, I think that Toboro and Morrison did a really good job in Mandalorian season two, bringing Boba Fett back and, like, playing this older version of him.

There's kind of, there's some fun stuff there. So I'm excited to see that, but like, none of that connects to me around the question of morality. The question of Boba Fett is, like, will he get his prey? Will he, will he win the job? Like, he doesn't exist in the realm of moral. Like, that's part of what's so good about the bounty hunters and Star Wars writ large is it's a breadth away from the moral. allegory. We don't need to talk about the fucking light and dark shit. Like you would have the

little versions of that. You're going to have the little versions of like, oh, are they going to betray each other in the end? Are they going to try to stab each other in the back? Are they... Which is something Beaufort does. Right. Yes. Yes. He's already doing that. We know where this go. Yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, you can say that about Django all you

want, but like BobaFed is not that person. It was never that person. And like, I don't need to see little him being like, oh, well. Like, the thing that I'm surprised that we didn't see it all the first episode was the thing that Natalie was saying, which is like, what does it feel like for this person to see himself everywhere? Like, that would be the interesting arc about Boba Fett here, and it's not like, but he doesn't

like, he literally doesn't even acknowledge them. There's a little bit of it. There's a little bit of it. It's when they say, it's whenever he's called a brother, he's called, one of them calls him his brother. Yeah. And he's like, you're not your brother. You're a clone.

Yes. You're a clone. Yes. Like he, he sets himself apart hardcore. Which of course, he is also a clone. own, but he does not want to... But he just doesn't have the growth acceleration. Yeah.

It's... And then, and then, yeah. For the, for, I mean, I feel like we should... We should wrap this episode on the... No, we should talk about the end of this because it's the most fucking inane way to... It's like, it's so fucking Star Wars. It's just like...

There's a setup line that we skipped. That helps to immediately situation. you wait just how fucked the Jedi are, which is Boba Fett, during that hostage, or the, during the lightsaber is to Ora Singh's neck, uh, the back, during the back and forth, uh, there's the bit where, where she's like, you know, Asoka isn't going to kill me. She's not a murderer or whatever. And it's like, I'm not a murderer. I just want justice. And Plow Coon in a herbish moment, does say, big L, he says, we are justice. Because that's how the Jedi see themselves. we are justice oh i don't think that was you thought that was herbish oh my fucking i thought that was

incredibly cold bro i thought that was the like this is how they see themselves yes the most high-handed shit yeah yeah yeah that makes them a herb i mean it's definitely yeah but yeah it's the the feeling of having that opinion of yourself in this moment and like believing it enough to say it is like what the fuck is happening here to have the context of the situation that is like here is this kid who one of ours harmed in a clear, in a very clear way, who now has this fucked up adopted mother, who's in this bad situation, who also is close to the, he's a clone of the people we send to die every day, all of these complicating factors, to then be like, and here is the clearest way I can tell you about what the hierarchy of the galaxy is,

is like just so shitty and bad in a way that's that I you know I think it's a big L for for our love of Plokoon because it's a reminder it's a reminder that this is how he sees the world right he does think this is true for himself he's a bro but he's still a Jedi you know we have to keep that in mind we got to keep that front and center I just I just objected the classification of that is herd behavior now admittedly I'm still learning still dialing in my herb you don't know what a herb is yeah listen cops or hurts cops you think that they're cops you think cops you think that like they're the thing that stands

between a city and the city's destruction yeah yeah we protect and serve that's herbie shit you know and you can be like a security guard who's a herb too not all security guards are herbs but the security guard who's like yeah I'm the only thing that keeps this club from descending into chaos like

that's all me like nah you're herb like that's her behavior like he's like we saw a microcosm of that before Jacks is a herb absolutely absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was like, man, like, Plow Coon just went full Judge Dredd right before our eyes. Just like, I don't give a shit. But he isn't that. That's the thing. Judge Dread is actually Judge Dredd. Judge Dred would have killed everybody in that bar. That's true.

Plow Coon doesn't do that shit. Plowcun should recognize that he's the person who wants to keep it, keep a chill when you go out of the bar. And not, and that this is a space where people live. And like, the Poecoon who would have. Given the opportunity, tell Boba to stay in school. Right. This is what I'm saying. He would have done that. He absolutely would have done that. Unfortunately, he has to do the thing that he does instead, which is bring him back to Corrassan.

By the way, just quick shoutouts. I didn't think, when Assoca climbed on Slave 1, I was like, that shit ain't going to work. I was like, way to go, Asoka. I was shashi for that. That was impressive. That was very impressive. I was proud of her. The part where ORA starts shooting through the windshield, by the way, I don't think the escape to space is going to

go so well, you don't like... Does she just crash and blow up immediately? She chops the engine pot off. Oh, does she? No, she crashes. Her whole ship flies off the side of floor and blows up over the horizon. Yeah, but that's because Osoka chopped the engine pod, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying I don't think she ever even... No, but once...

That is the cliffhanger, right? Like, is Ors Singh still alive? I guess. I think she's still a lot, because she's Dave Faluny's fantasy girlfriend. Who was like, I love your office full of shit It's so cool Tell me more about your fucking Weird collector

Oh is this original or reprint Anyway I agree with that I think actually there's another I think the moments of Lightsaber's blocking blaster bolts in this episode Just both look sick It happens at the bar

It's just like really well choreographed And executed in a way that I don't normally think That's true true And they just did a good job Yeah So then back on Coruscant, Boba apologizes for all the trouble he's caused. He's been a bad Boba. He's like, I realized, like, this has all gone a little too far.

Like a kid who, like, stole the family car and wrecked it, I guess. But then he's like, but I still, I still will never forgive Mace Window. Windew. Every time, it's the third time we've done it. It's so good. It's the It's the fucking best Anyway

I will still never forgive that man For what he did to my father And Mace is like You'll have to As they lead him to Jedi Juby Credits Credits I was sure

Follone ended that episode on that To have three episodes Building up to this moment And then having that Be the only interaction These two characters get I was like, I was in shock. I was shocked.

It was disrespectful, honestly. Yeah, it was. To me, personally, to everyone who watched these three episodes. I like it. I do think it's disrespectful, but I like it because, yep, there he fucking is. Mace Winding. For me, it was Tuesday. Like, I hope you can work this out, kid.

I don't give a fuck about you. I'm not even to give you the grace of giving you any sort of resolution around your feelings with me. I don't care enough about you. this is who the Jedi are. But the fact that Boba is specifically saying, I see now I've done terrible things, that line is horseshit to me. Horshut to me.

He did kill a bunch of people. But you started it when you murdered my father. I'll never forgive you. And then Mace is like on a knee in front of him and is like nodding his head, like taking it in like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And he stands up and he's like, well, you're going to have to. Take him away. Unbelievable.

It's amazing. It really made me, like, the thing that I was thinking about immediately as credits went was, like, really how cynical are the writer's room at this point? Because, like, we've seen it in points when we've, like, seen major characters act like fools and, like, letting the writer's room sort of do that and sort of think about how we want to consider them. But, like, really for this moment to, like, you can't write Clone Wars without knowing where you're getting to, right? And there has to be a degree of, like, oh, we can't. always show them as the good guys we can't always show them and it's on top but like to really have mace just seem so petty and just like so unaware of the situation like like even boba fed apologizes or no he's boba he's right yeah yeah yeah but like for mace not to also be like

well i'm i'm also sorry he didn't even he didn't even go to like the jedi canards of like well from a a certain point of view, you could say that he did nothing. He didn't do any. He didn't try to couch it. He didn't try to... Nothing. Nothing for him. Not even like, I feel for you or like, you're going, I can see you're going through,

like, thank you for acknowledging the wrongs that you did. Doesn't even acknowledge the fact that Boba Fett, for some reason, is being introspective about the murders he's just committed, which I don't buy at all. Like, why is Boba Fett apologizing to fucking Mace Wendu. Why? Because he killed a bunch of people and he's 12.

He killed a bunch of people. And I do think that that, the thing I love about this is here is the on-ramp to quote-unquote good Boba-Fet. As Mace Wendu says, I don't think you did a good thing, but I get why you did it. I understand why you're mad at me. And he doesn't. And instead he goes

like, yep. All right, Chief. Yeah. You're going to head out. You about to head out. And you know what? If I'm Boba-Fet, I go, yeah, you know what? I'm not sorry, actually. I said I was sorry. I'm not sorry. I'm going to become the world's greatest bounty hunter. I'm going to kill so many Jedi. I'm going to kill so many Jedi. You know what I mean? You can't even count them. There's a door that says good side Boba Fett and Reese Woodrow slams it closed.

A hundred percent. Well, and we'll see, I'm actually not convinced. I'm not convinced they're not going to end up being a heroic figure by the end of this. But the, I guess the other

thing that, the thing I'll say about Mace here is that God, it's been too long since I've done any like work in philosophy

to like know the terminology here. But like there's this notion of there's like a moral destination that we're headed to here, which is that that Mace is comfortable with, like, from Mesa's standpoint, this is a closed story. Like, it was, it was, may have been regrettable that Boba saw it, but it had to be done. It was combat.

There is no, like, there is no greater guilt that attaches to Mace. Mace feels the correct way about it. It is done. Boba has to work out for himself. Boba has to get to a place where he understands and is okay with. and can move on from this horrible moment. And makes things that process has to be arrived at, but he doesn't understand that, like,

getting there, going through these motions, is part of how you get there. The way, like, the fact that you have to at least engage with the person you have wronged and talk through why you are okay with it, that is part of the act of making them okay and making them whole. Mace sees it as

we just have to get from point A to point B and since point B is like predestined point A can't be changed there is no journey I have to undertake with this person I'm already at point B they got to get there too

and the thing that like dams him with Boba and will kind of damn him with Anakin is that no you do have to help them get there That is part of, and that is also how you make sure the point B you think you are at is actually true. Like, if you think you were this compassionate, like, warden of justice, then this is part of the work you go to closing that book. This is part of the work you go through to make sure that, like, it was regrettable but necessary and were good with it.

It was the best we could have done in difficult circumstances. You wrestle with it. He's like, no, I'm pretty sure I'm good with it. I'm pretty sure like we did all the right thing. So what do you want from me? Like, you want me to introspect about it and, like, engage with this kid who's dad I killed? Fuck that. It's 100% mapped to the Anakin shit of just, like, he can't reach out.

And he doesn't understand why Anakin can't do this by himself. Anakin's gone through the training. Why can't Anakin just, like, do the fucking right thing? Also, it's, we're hitting me now that Boba Fett is Anakin Skywalker, is Shinji Akari. He just so badly needs one other person to reach out and explain to him what the situation is and, like, give him a little bit. bit of support towards getting towards like maturity and no sorry you don't get that buddy no when you go to the jedi the the answer is close the valve like just just shut it off just just literally

just end end that that thread just end it boba is also the clearest like evidence of the first crime of these these clones being made in such a real way right he is the the transactional receipt that that this was a thing these clones didn't come from nowhere they had an origin point they had a a decision was made to make them you inherited them and decided to keep them um and again I think that this is as close as we get to Mace being unwilling to look in the face what the Jedi are and their part in the larger war and like what they're willing to do. He's not even able to look at the kid of someone he's killed in combat justifiably.

And part of it, if this was just another kid, would this relationship be different? Would he be better at being able to approach this if he wasn't the kid of all of the clones who are around him who he sends to die every fucking day? You're not the kid of, but, you know, in this kind of weird cousin relationship to all of them in this way. I don't, I don't think so, because it's not even like Mace isn't, like, Mace is, sit is on his knees looking this kid in the eye like it's not even like mace is like speaking from like a removed place or like is like a you know like he's sitting there taking in what this person is saying and nothing changes like he is completely unfazed he's completely detached from

the emotions that this kid is feeling as a consequence of mace's actions and and does not he he doesn't even it's not there's not even a confusion there like he he he just it's just a blatant like you need to move past this you have like that's it that's all i'm telling you goodbye like there's no like there's no struggle with mace even to understand why the kid is incapable of doing it it's just a matter of fact like you have to do it you want to get real mad yeah i would love to get mad real mad this is the Star Wars.com So Star Wars.com has like a rewatch

like they were doing a Clone Wars rewatch in the late 2010, 2019 they were in this season they did the rewatch like blog post about this episode. The end of this is you know it's Boba they quote Boba saying

I see now I've done terrible things but you started it when you were to my father I'll never forgive you. And then the blog post says and Mace the patient master that he is is there to provide the most important piece of guidance a young boy could need in this situation. He doesn't give in to Boba's hate,

and he doesn't try to make the boy see things from his point of view. He sees Boba for what he is, a child, lost and angry, and like a parent laying down the law, he simply leaves Boba with one option. You're going to have to. No malice, no fear or aggression. A simple truth that in order to move forward, after even the most staggering loss,

the most grievous injury, the first step, must be to forgive. Nightmare. nightmare. Imagine, imagine watching this fucking show and thinking that could not fucking be me. Oh, hell of a gravity. Ideology is a hell of a drug. Yeah, but it's just like, and to be able to say it that cleanly, because I mean, that is the compelling thing about this is that Mace is completely telling his truth, which is like, yeah, you're going to have to fucking deal with this. Whatever work that has to be done, it's on you. But like, to also, like, we,

We've spent so much more time with Boba Fett in these episodes than we have Mace Window at this way. Not in like the whole of the season, but at least in this arc, we've seen Boba Fett like go through this action, his anger, his guilt about, you know, other people getting hurt in this. To land on like, and, you know, Mace, the good master gave him the lesson that he needed is shocking to me. I mean, we don't even, we spend like for all of the time we spent. in, like, Boba Fett's emotions, to get to that place of Mace Winde's emotions is unfathomable to me. Because nowhere along this three-part arc do we have any, like, insight into any sort of, like, inner term, like any sort of inner emotion that Mace Wind, it's just, it's cold, it's matter of fact. He literally says, you programmed your droid to feel.

Like, that is like, like, we are in the world of unfeeling when it comes to Mace Windu. That is where we are. He has never been compassionate. Well, it goes back to the Zillobis. The thing is, like, the closest thing we get to, but it's not even. Because it's not compassion. That's the thing, right? It's not compassion with the Zillow Bees.

It's like going against a particular code, which is this could be a unique being, this could be a sentient being, we don't know what this is. The code says, do this. And so we're going to do this. He's not out there feeling for the... He does think, I think at the end of the second Zillobese thing, he realizes they've made a big mistake in terms of killing

this unique life creature or this uniquely this unique creature. He doesn't say that. No, no, no, there's that great... There's that shot of Obi-Wan and Mace looking down at it in terror at what they see it has happened. So he does feel some sort of way about it. I don't want to take away from that. Rob made that point last time really

evocatively. So I think think that that's true, but I, but I think that that came after the fact and is a much different sort of regret. It's a regret at not doing what is the kind of codified right thing in the moment. He saw that they were going off course and they didn't correct course. That's not about like a deep personal, he didn't connect to the Zillow Beast in this deep personal way. And so I think you're right that he is just this like Michael Myers, like a void of, of emotion in this, in these episodes. And it's so fascinating to see that rendered so well and to see the response

be here he is the Jedi master hand on shoulder you know the font of truth that's a good point because like kind of like sort of maybe you guys made the point in the early part of the conversation and it didn't register me until

just now but like Natalie speaking there just made it sort of drop where like he's weirded out by the you programmed your droid to feel not just because it's a droid but like the last thing this universe needs is more feelings yeah what use would feelings have

yeah like droids need them even less than we do and we have broadly be programmed ourselves to have from having feelings and the weird thing is yeah even among the Jedi is Mace kind of an extremist is increasingly looking like that because like he can't even he is in the opposite direction which is like fucks me up about this so much the thing about Mace wouldn't do that you learn as a nerd as a kid.

The thing is that he developed the seventh form of lightsaber combat, the pod, which is thought of as a dangerous form of combat because of how it draws on passion, because it's like a Sith style of, it risks the practitioner falling into the dark side because it channels your darkness and emotion into a weapon. And like, that's the dude who invented it.

He invented that. And we don't ever see the passionate Mesa Rua. Mesa Rundu. But I would love to see that Mesa Wendu. I would love to see the Mesa Rundu who's in tune with the dark side or who's in tune with his emotions in that way that he could web. And like maybe one day we'll get that episode where it's like, you know, I'm always mad. You know what I mean? I'm always actually a boiling rage.

And I'm just, I'm like keeping a lid on it at all points. But that's not what we saw here. We don't see the Mase Rindu who is this. well of passion. We see a Mace Window who is like just cold and emotionless. And even in the Zillow Beast arc, like that wasn't necessarily a decision that Mace Windu made. Like that he wasn't an active agent in the way he was when it comes to Boba Fett. Like that was something he did and he has no questions about it.

When it comes to like, and the feeling at the end of the. the day when it comes to the zillobese is like that's too bad like that is just too bad that we like ended up here and it's like that's like he certainly did take step to like limit the palpatine's power in situations like this nope no and and it really comes down to like the exactly what you said like the code part like it's a preservation of a species matter at that point. It's like, oh, we just lost maybe the last, like, life form of, like, living, you know, species member of that.

So, like, that's too bad that it had to end this way because really, like, according to the code, we should have been able to preserve that. I'm going to sign a move-on.com petition out here. Maybe. Maybe. I'll post it. I don't know if I signed it, but I'll post it. Like, like, it's just.

It is bonkers to me that that seventh form of lightsaber combat would come from him, given we have no reason, there is no evidence that there has ever been a struggle to channel passion with Mace Windu. The most unfeeling fucking Jedi there is. Unless, like, it just, where the fuck is it? I guess he's, like, filtering all of the passion out. Like, it would have been really wordy to say to Boba Fett. Like, I'm sorry that that happened, but, like, two weeks ago, I was fighting with my lightsaber, and I, the passion is gone now.

I thought through it then. But now he could just say, you have to get over it. Yeah. So, like, also the, that Star Wars, that Star Wars. That Star Wars. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, this is how people see. show this is how people see the show but it is so fascinating to me because like you're talking about like that like pure unconsidered ideology it is very comforting for people who wield the power and violence and coercion of a society to imagine that when confronted by the people that they do know that those powers harm that the moral and true response to those people is to tell them that they simply must get over it for that is the way of the world and the way of the world is just and in time god willing they will see that is so incredibly revealing and it is so bankrupt and the show doesn't maybe the show doesn't realize

this is bankrupt uh though i think in places the show might but either way regardless this moment of mace is so profoundly revealing in that way of the ways in which the Jedi ideology is bankrupt. It is this complete failure to even contemplate the gesture of compassion because ultimately that requires wrestling or engaging at all with the harm is one who is culpable of that harm. And it denies that culpability, like, prima facie, start of the argument, will not even consider it.

Not on the table, couldn't be. Would undercut our authority if we voiced it. Um, so important is the divide between how Mace handles this and how Jacks, also a little herb, uh, handles it at the end of the first episode of this trilogy. It's very corny when he says, I think with time, you'll, you know, I hope he's a lot like us because he'll realize what he's done is bad. Very corny line, but a deeply compassionate one that understands fundamentally that Bobaf-we, he doesn't even know the story really with Boba-Fat, right? He kind of just gathers what he can gather quickly, but he realizes like, oh, This kid is hurt, and if he's like us, I mean he'll probably be able to work through that one day and get to a place where he's able to, like, be a decent person. Now, all that stuff has cut through with the fact that these are kids who are being trained to be the frontline soldiers for Republic quickly descending into fascism.

But it comes from a place of connection, and maybe it comes from a place of a little bit of egoism, a little bit of narcissism and thinking that they're so fucking hot shit at processing and becoming better people. but it's so much more empathetic than what we see from Mace, which if Mace had said the same thing, if Mace had knelt down and said, you do not understand this today, but I believe in you, based on your actions over these events, that you have in you a great man and that you will grow to understand why I did what I did and why we're doing what we're doing now. And we can still disagree that that's that he has reason to do what he's doing now and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at least he would have tried to connect to him and give him that runway towards some sort

of something and instead he's so just absolutely dismissive that it becomes putting those two those two exchanges next to one another i think illustrates so clearly what the differences are between those those uh the sort of ground combatant worldview and the Jedi in in the Jedi temple worldview and and the degree and not just worldview not just ideology but what practices they've been trained to pursue to bring that ideology into into the world. The Jedi just have to insist upon it, whereas there's rhetoric being deployed. Like, for all of us making fun of Jacks' little prep, like, it's clear he has been paying attention in leadership class. You know what I mean? He has been like, he really wants to grow up

to be an officer, and part of being an officer he's been taught, it's clear, is about connecting with your troops and connecting with the people and trying to bring the best out of them. And it's so easy to draw that or to paint that picture for yourself or draw that history that has led to Jack's being able to try to connect to Boba in that way in a way that Mace just doesn't. Just Mace just did nothing, just none of that connection at all. It would suck to be a youngling. It would just be miserable.

Well, fortunately for the incoming classes, they won't have to carry that burden too much longer. But all of that is in the future. I think for now, that's a wrap on season two, unless we have last points my only last point was just calling out what Austin mentioned very briefly earlier about the music

I feel like this was maybe the first time that we had like vocalization in the music like in this third episode I can't remember if the first two episodes had it too but it really struck me in the third episode and it was like really intense

it was really well done and I loved it I was really struck by the score and the sound design of these three episodes. I thought it was really strong. But the vocalization was like, holy shit. Like, there is, like, this is, somebody is putting a lot of effort into this feeling very cinematic, or coming off very cinematic. And I definitely agree.

I think it general, technically, the show has just gotten so much better than where it was a season ago. Like, even coming from like high episodes, like this episode. It's like this season starts with the Cadbane stuff, and that stuff is really great. But even this feels next level in terms of the art design and, like, Florum looks great. The way that like the brown clouds in the sky, the dust, all the painting of the backdrops just looks so good. And like, you know, for what it's worth, Hondo's place does look better than it used to. This place does have a better vibe.

It doesn't feel like a PS2 game. I don't mean look like. I understand that it never looked like a PS2 game. But go back to that initial arc where they go to Honda's base, and it feels like big, empty rooms that you have fights in. Do you know what I mean? Whereas this does feel cluttered and lived in. The shots are also more dynamic. There's a better sense of, it doesn't just look like you're looking at a stage play that's being shot with lots of just like very basic people in front of you composition.

Right, yeah, exactly, the choreography. Here, you think about just like the small act of the ways in which the conversation at the, bar was happening while the dude is off to the side doing the call to rat out or sing and all that stuff like okay yeah there's a placeness to this it just wasn't there a season ago so i think that it's nice to see them continue to get stronger there i'm very excited for season three to lift that even higher yeah i will say the only like animation sequence that like jarred me in any of these three episodes was in episode three when Assoca like hopped on the motorcycle

to like follow or sing there was like a weird like stuttered like aspect to that specific move as she's like hopping on that was like that was the only moment that I was like oh weird but otherwise she then does do that cool fucking roll around the entire like ring of the two and that was very cool

That was very cool. Which was, that was bizarre to me because all of the other animation had been so, so strong. Like, the, and like Rob already pointed out, the, uh, taking down the, uh, or a sing ship and everything was done, was done so well. Um, I think generally, uh, a lot of the lighting in this episode, in these episodes was strong, except for when they were lighting characters of color, then it's very bad. but just in terms of like setting mood and that kind of thing I thought was really fun so yeah what a way to interesting way to end season two

given that we aren't really ending as much on a cliffhanger other like what is the big question here the question is what happened to Orr Singh like what is Boba Fett's future going? to be... I appreciate... Here's the thing. I hate season cliffhangers.

Mainly for this reason. Cliffhangers, often... So they end a tense moment, right? The weird thing is, though, seasons still unfold, like... It's a different moment in production. Like, the cycle rarely continues. Like, people take breaks. And so often, there's a jarring break in the middle...

Like, you have the cliffhanger action. But, like, somehow frequently, the latter half of it where we pick up those threads, rarely feels connected, it really feels like it maintains that level of tension. Or if it does, it's because they basically completed that stuff. And, you know, then the real next season begins after the resolution of that plot. I do appreciate that here, they end on a finished arc, which I think it's kind of cool. Like, ending it on sort of like a, hey, here's a little Boba Fett movie.

Yeah. Like, I wish more shows would do that, honestly. Because that, like, it's such a different model we live in. now like I do remember the being shows where it's like oh my god I can't wait till I can't wait till fall we find out what's gonna happen and here like this seems like so much more fun just to be like yeah right that was a cool little movie yeah the thing that stands out to me though my final point here is that like it just seems so intentional to have that be your final moment in the season to have like mace window acting cruelly in this moment like

it's just like to sit there like imagining watching this as it's coming out and having that be the last bit of clodewors that I see for like X amount of months or whatever like yeah is really compelling and like I really hope that in season three we like start to continue to see this like yeah twisting perspective of the Jedi that the show like sort of needs to But they don't even think they're doing that They think that they're being like

Damn And Mace Windows is the best I know the reviews is that But I have to think that the writer's room Like Again it was three whole episodes Building to that one scene And there's no catharsis

And there's not going to be Catharsis Like possible for months Like that You go into summer vacation That episode is late April Doesn't come back to September You're just out there

You're on the beach. You're thinking, like, I cannot believe Mace Windy said that shit to my boy, Boba Fett. I'm a little boy. I want vengeance for my dad, Django Fet. All right. And with that, our coverage of season two is over, and we are on break. So we will be skipping our next regular release date of the 22nd as we rest and recharge for season three. but we'll be back with our Patreon backers on the 29th

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And as always, we're so great. grateful to everyone who's backed us so far and hope you continue to enjoy a more civilized age as we embark on season three on October 6th. Rob, what episode are people watching for that next, whenever we do come back? I don't know what are they watching.

We haven't done the breakdown of season three. It's arc troopers. Sorry, it's clone cadets and arc troopers. I don't know if it's supply lines or not. When I saw the next episode was clone cadets, I was like, God damn, the show It's about to ramp up.

Yeah, it's about to ramp up. All right. You know what? I'm going to look it up and I'll put it in the description, whatever the next set is. Again, that won't be for quite some time, but I'll put that in the description. Well, in between now and then, we're going to figure out those arms. Until then, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice and remember this. Deal with it, kid.

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