A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 34: A Friend in Need and the Obi-Wan Undercover Arc Pt. 1 (Clone Wars 80-82)

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

As The Clone Wars begins to lean into heftier, multi-episode arcs, we're hit with the first one we've been forced to break up due to scheduling and length issues. Which means that, yes, we will get to half of an arc about Obi-Wan going to undercover a la John Travolta in Face Off. But first we need to tackle the stand alone return of Pre Vizsla, Deathwatch, and... Lux Bonteri. NEXT TIME: Episodes 83 & 84 ("The Box" and "Crisis on Naboo") You can support the show and gain access to a monthly Q&A cast by going to patreon.com/civilized Show Notes Deaths: Tryla, Obi-Wan Kenobi (Faked) Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age at Clone Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zackney, joined by Ali Akampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. Hey, remember Luxman Terry? Dave Filoni sure does. He thinks that Asoka should remember him, too. So we pick up extremely late, still dangling threads of the Peace Talks arc. Remember how there were peace talks happening and Mita Vintyri got assassinated by Duku

with the help of Palpatine? Well, they're getting around to investigating that now and they're trying to figure out what is behind the death of Mita Buntary but also maybe saying if we can resurrect these peace talks seems like that ship is probably sailed but you know what? I'm always a friend of the cause of peace. One of the surprise speakers

at these very late peace talks is Lux Binterry, the Adams family-looking kid, son of Nina Bontari, who kind of leered at and creeped on Assocato, but also kind of proved to Asoka that like, hey, there's creepy teenagers on the other side of this war, too. And we all learned a few things. Anyway, that creepy teenager's done a lot of growing up, and he's done the most surefire way to get a young lady's attention. he's completely forgotten about her entirely and it is focused on something else and that something is a revenge plot against count ducu he crashes the peace talks accuses count ducu of murdering his mother and it's clearly about to be assassinated by the separatists and so isoka intervenes to

rescue him and as she rescues him he continues to protest you're screwing up my plan what is that plan He is going to join Galactic Terror Group, Death Watch, led by Previs, who appears to have had the roughest year and a half on the run in history. Remember that dapper, remember that dapper terrorist noble on the planet of Mandelor? Well, he looks like he just got out. And he's gotten into the, he's gotten into the slavery and terrorism business. Lucks can't quite see that. that Asoka picks up that these Mandelorians are up to up to no good

and things come to ahead when it turns out that indeed before they are going to help him assassinate Count Duku, they're just going to slaughter a village on this planet they've kind of occupied for reasons that are not entirely apparent just because it seems like a cool thing

to do. Another thing that seems like it's a cool thing to do, R2D2 leads a droid revolt. Uh-huh. That's just was a cool thing to do. It is kind of cool. But also, it really does tread on the, like, wow, he just used these people

and sent them to die for his human masters. That's an interesting point that we should discuss. Those troids wanted revenge as well, and they gave their lives for it. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. They liked it. They didn't want to escape. They just wanted the blood.

That makes a positive. for Lux and Asoka to make their escape. Asoka's like you should join the Republic. We always need more teenagers with bad plans. That's kind of our whole deal. They basically run the war. But Lux realizes that nobody would be safe if he was around. And so he has to walk a different path by himself.

And he and Asoka gazed longingly at each other as he ejects his escape pod into space to fly off to continue his quest for a wrench against Duku. So that's a friend in need. It's very pretty. I'll say that. It's a pretty episode. Yeah.

There's like the planet that a lot of this action takes place on is snowy, but it's also in the middle of like soccer season. There's just, you know, cherry blossoms all over the place. There's a big night fight, a fight at the, during nighttime that's lit by like a bonfire and then the laser blasts and the dark saber looks sick and has like a really great trail effect on it in a way that I don't remember it having last time. Maybe it didn't. I just don't remember this, but it looked really good now. And you know, all the armor designs are good. The Death Watch got a got new armor that's that according to some trivia stuff online, it was

explicitly meant to be a little more bikery. Lucas described them in story meetings as having a more biker gang feel quote they no longer are going to be such a crisp clean army says director Dave Filoni we wanted them to have

different types of soldiers different rocket packs and gear there are airborne troopers grappling troopers and flamethrower troopers each has a different unit logo hell yes

so I noticed there's different insignia yeah well specifically we do get an insignia for a major future character is introduced in this episode without ever being, without her name ever being said.

No, they, don't they say her name? Well, her name's in the credits. Her name's in the credits. I don't think they say it. Yeah, so Bocatan is here, who I know some of y'all are Mandalorian watchers. She will eventually show up in Mandalorian. She'll be very important next season of Clone Wars. Boketan's soldiers, quote, are called night owls.

Indeed, her helmet shape is inspired by the shape of a bar. Ardowl's face sketched by Filoni on an airline napkin on a flight back from a recording session. Bo Catan's name is a nod from the director to his wife's nickname for her pet cat. His wife's name is Anne. Her cat's name or the nickname for the cat is The Boogie, which becomes Boogie Cat Anne, which becomes Boat Catan. Stretch. That easy stretch. It's that easy.

People ask me all the time. How do you get a good name? I thought it was like a French thing. I'm like, ah, Bo Kitton. No, not even close. Absolute reach. I'm sure that's what he told his wife. I'm sure that's what he told her.

She knows she calls the cat Boogie. Like, it's her. She's the only calls it Boogie. Yeah. Really secretly he's like, Bo is my favorite Ninja Turtles. And this is my little nod to Kyle Katarn. And nobody's going to do that.

Yeah, it's because I love to love your little lip names together. It's because it's so sweet. I always think when I'm working on Boat Catan arcs, I'm thinking about you. And not Kyle. New Padmey hair dropped. The whole opening of this episode is like, yo, what's this episode about to be? Everybody got new gear on. We're back on Mandelor.

You know. I was excited to be back on Mandelor. I was disappointed that Queen Mandelor, I forget her name, Satine, yes, of course. I was disappointed that Satine didn't have anything to do at all. At all. Did she have a line? No. I think she says, let's calm ourselves.

Fighting the courtroom. Like, yeah, when the ruckus begins after Luck's story. in and accuses Count Duku of murdering his mother. For being the neutral party, she

interestingly allows the separatists to just take Lux. One of my notes is like what is even the point of... Really interesting neutral ground. Yeah, that's exactly. My note was, what is even the point of having these talks on neutral territory if you're just going to let either side arrest people? Like, that's, you're not in new, that's the point of neutral territory is you're on someone else's ground where no one can take anybody's people.

Like, the thing that should have gone into protective custody of the Mandalorians immediately. Yep. Well, don't the separatists make the argument of like, listen, this guy is a separatist. He's... Yes. But that is this exact case is why you want to have it on neutral ground so that if a separatist wants to say the separatists are fucking bad, that person gets protected. Sure.

Yeah. Well, Lux thought he had the protection that he did not have. So, crucially, he was like, this is all part of, he's like, like, I see it all. I've got the entire, I see all the strains of possibility. I see the pattern. Have we tested Lux's midichlorian count? You know, we haven't. We haven't.

Turns out, you know, his ability is just to make absolutely stone cold reads. And so he very cleverly gets dragged off to be executed. and I'm not actually clear what the middle part of the plan was because record Count Duku, right? Or not record because that would be too obvious but he just recorded Count Duku saying, I'm going to kill you

like I killed your mother. He has like camera facing out. So his plan is to use a device that will track where Duku is and then sell that data to the Death Watch

and have them go kill Duke. But how is he going to exit being... Oh, he has the taser. Yeah. He has a taser he uses on Asoka that is good on droids, presumably. I feel like that has a lot of confidence to be able to land that taser hit.

He does. Two of them. There's two droids. And they're not regular battle droids. They're the little curvier, like, assassiny droids, the commander droids. So I don't know. I don't know if he has it.

But Asoka intervenes to save him, And he's like, God damn it. Please, can I please just get a minute to launch my plan? I got this guy's VPN. I'm live streaming this whole conversation. Also, He's literally. Do you also is doing me for me.

It was Tuesday. Yeah, he literally, he thought he literally has a little bit with it. That's what I wanted to say. Same. Right? It's so foul. It's foul. foul behavior.

Duku says those are some rather strong accusations you've levied against to me and Lox is like, you know what you did. And Duku's like, do I? I've done a lot of things and I choose to remember them in order of importance. Fucking brutal. And he's like in the murder of your mother

is escaping me or something. It's not coming to mind. Oh, it's so brutal. But he's like, but we're going to kill you now. Bap. And then... And then Assoca comes in. Asoka rescues him.

And it's like, okay, yeah, saved him from being, like, you know, quietly murdered aboard that separatist ship. Oh, no, no, no. We're just kind of a full-on battle in the neutral ground. Because Assoca's like, we're coming in hot. We're coming in hot to the escape transport. But light those droids up. And they're like, absolutely, sir.

Bam, bam, bam, bam. Like, what? Padmae before Osoka, like, sees looks get taken away. And Padmae's like, please. So like, do it, I was like, I need to go save my, like, weird summer camp crush. Like, I get it, but, and I was like, okay, just like, or Padmei's like, okay, do it discreetly, like, quiet, shh, be quiet, like, do it's soft and not loud. And I was like, I was like, okay, and first going great, she kills the droids inside the ship, you know, it's contained, sounds not getting out, she leaves, she kind of, the two guard joids right outside the ship she kind of gets them

getting a little loud but she gets them it's all good then it's blasters out like and then she like the mandolorean guards see it and like nobody is like yo she got away with luck like I don't understand she just left and we don't know what happened on no those aren't mandolarian guards those are the Republic guards those are the Republic Senate blue troopers With, like, the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to remember.

This is what we're saying. This is what Rob is saying. It's like, it's just out and out war between the two sides on neutral territory. I mean, I like it. I like that nobody was like, oh, no, my norms. It's like, no, we're, it's go time. But at the, at the same time, it is very much, like, this version of, like, diplomatic immunity is more like, it just doesn't count. You're in, like, you're in, like, the safe.

zone for murder and that's how they're interpreting this is like this is neutral ground so anybody can do anything any time. It's the purge rules out there. Yeah, exactly. Well, and then like, and then again, she does take him into

custody. He's like, all right, we're going to bring you back to Corrassad and she calls Anakin, she's like, yeah, sorry things went south, but we're coming into Corrassan. And Anakin, I mean, surprisingly. I mean, to his credit, but also this, he maybe should have phrase this differently. He's like, all right, yeah, I guess bring him in. I'll see if we can set up

some sort of program. I'll see if we can set up amnesty, which he doesn't even, he's like, he knows better. He has been well trained not to promise anything until you have the dude there. He does not say you will be given to amnesty. He says, we will discuss about, we will discuss amnesty when you get here. And that is a good point. You know, I think Lux knew that. Lucks knew that. Lex knew that he was going to be asked to do some shit for the Republican exchange. Yeah, I don't know how hard Anakin's going to fight in that conference. I feel like it's like, yo, we got this guy. Do you want to maybe am to see?

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I don't know. You know what they did to my mom? What? Those motherfuckers. You're a kid, you want a lightsaber? I got a million of.

I killed so many. I'm dark apprentices. But instead Lux is like No no Asoka I told you lots of times I don't want to go to Republic land I don't want to go to Choruson Please you're messing with my plan

And Assoca's like what are you talking about I just saved your life like classic Asoka And then he's like well She's like what would you have done if I wasn't there Like how would you have even escaped Like I saved you and he's like this, bat tasers her.

Tazer, she's out. Artu none the wiser. Artu walks in that room. And it's like, uh, and Lex's like, uh, she was tired. She needed to take a nap. And Artu seemingly,

he's like, all right, I guess I'm on, I'm here for the ride now. It's the first thing I've seen R2 just taking me. Yeah. It's just like, he's like, you know what?

Because you know Artu could take Lexmontere in a fight. Oh yeah. One you won, all my money's on Art 2. Oh, Lux wouldn't even know. It's just, why's the ship showing up the Coruscant? Why are we being met by police? Like, just whiffing that.

But, no, Art 2 has this moment of like, I can figure this out. But maybe he knows Lux has the anti-droid taser. And he's like, no, it's not what, you know, what if he gets a hit in, then I lose the element of surprise. Let me just go with him. It'll be fine. Maybe Artu wants to go on a little adventure. Artu knows that they're going to come out the victors in the end. And maybe he just wants to, you know, see what happens.

happens. Yes. Wants to fuck around and find out. Yeah, accurate. So we wake up on snowy planet. Carlac. Carlac. And weird vibes on Carlac.

Extremely bizarre vibes. Hated him. Hated the vibes. There. Not good. What was the worst part? Was it the way the Death Watch was just torturing droids nonstop? Was it the way they displaced?

indigenous peoples and like took over their their all of their shit what was the first bad vibe maybe uh uh soka getting her ass ass slapped yeah uh-huh that was the first bad vibe yeah it was it bocatans uh of like first moment on screen being slapping assoca's ass and saying that she looked a little thin to be a wife like like what is this why do we have like this concubine culture all of a sudden like I'm so confused like well sometimes

you're just gone off of the hyper militarization like this is how you would interact with people but also they went in the hyper militarization direction but also got like really

trad about like the not enough meat on those phones that's like the that's the problem with the way that they're portrayed because like there's

mandolorean culture is this right like you can't be like the Mandalorrians are really cool but I don't like when they burn down that town. Like, I mean, but like his ideals are so divorced from context that it's like, why are you doing this? Is it like a hazing ritual because you're trying to bring Lux in and be like, this is what we do?

We're cool. Or is it just like you're so gone off of the war's religion that like this is the only way that you can do it, even though there's a war going on that you could be part of. Go do that. Maybe the jarring thing is here, because we haven't seen these folks in a while. last we saw them they are this really purpose-driven

like political military movement with its roots and an idea about their culture and a historic argument that they're all sort of like moving towards and their goal is about their culture it's about reforming their culture and going back to tradition and that seems to not be on the table at all anymore

right it's like since they were outed and like driven underground now we are catching them and they have become like we are completely in like Western movie territory where it's like oh yeah these used to be the revolutionaries

but they lost and now they're just like bandits wandering the borderlands and such it's very like tombstone in that regard or stuff like that but it's like wow this whole vibe has changed a lot we just have no context for it because last time we saw

them it's like oh this is all for man This is all for, you know, the glory of, like, restoring our culture. And now it's, like, literally, I swear to God, like, it feels like they are about to go on a crime spree, and that's, like, it. There's no plan. Like, it does feel like it's a gang hazing ritual, and it's... They have, like, a whiteboard in the room that says Duku, and it's circle. And, like, there's nothing else on the whiteboard.

We'll get to him. As soon as we unload these cartons of cigarettes we got, tax-free, so we like... We, like, burned the inventory of those. This is 100% it, right? It's like, it's like the overlap between a lost causer and a biker gang, right? Like, it's like, yeah, they started, they got the Confederate flag on their back, but they are, but that doesn't really come up so much anymore. Mostly what they're, what they're focused on is like knocking over convenience stores and pushing people out of their chairs and bars and saying, what are you going to do about it? And it's them and eight of their boys, so it's like, you're not going to do anything about it because that's how they, that's how they're tough.

And it'll be clear, I actually, like, I think it's perfectly good direction. to take. Yeah, I love it, actually. But it's just like a real disorienting thing when the last thing we saw is so different from this. And it's like now we're unjustified. And I would actually like to know how did we end up in justified? I would love to see the line between A and B. Yeah. It's also very funny because Pre-Visla is such a, when we last saw him, he had such noble heirs. So to go from that to this like Mad Max villain mode that he's in is very funny, you know? Yeah. And we last saw him as a reminder, like,

It, he was part of, he was part of society when we last saw him. He was like a minister, correct? Yeah, he was like basically in the mix in a way that, like, you know, he was hosting people for dinner in his little, like, nice dining room and stuff that had the little depressed floor, like the hover chairs or whatever the fuck it was. Oh, yes. And like, and also the scale was different, right? Like, they had, they had factories. They had a bunch of stuff going on on that moon. And now they've just got like a tent full of droids that they make R2 repair.

that they can shoot them and torture them again. It's the most near automata shit we've seen in the show. It's sad. It goes a good place, though. The droids giving R2 the line, we are battle droids no longer. Now we are slaves.

Had to be fucked up. I was like, bro, what were you before? You were just like... Maybe they're true believers. Maybe they're like, yes, I'm really curious about that. If ideology is just the water you swim in or the hair you breathe, you don't realize

it's taken away, and you're like, I've lost my organic purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, Lux and Asoka are in the tent.

And Assook is like, hey, Lux, do you know who the fuck you're dealing with because of Death Watch? And guess what? They hate Jedi. And guess what I am? A Jedi. And they are murderers and they are not good and what do you think you're doing? And as she's just running her mouth, how do you, how do you shut someone up?

How do you stop? How do you? I don't know how. You just plant a wet one on them. You just start making out in the middle of the war tent. And then the war. The war. Preped.

You're being very good. In the war tent. Max and Assoca sitting in the war tent. It was, my jaw was on the floor. I could not believe what I was thinking. First, the ass lap had me just absolutely fucked up because I just could not believe that was happened in the show. And then like a kiss between these teens.

Like I was like, what is how? happening. And also in this context, this context. This is not, yeah. It's not there. And especially after the, we just got out of the slavery arc and the first Soka's first idea to be like, oh, we're going to lie and say that we're in a relationship. That's how we're going to get out of this. And then let's be like, yeah, I'm going to push this idea farther. I, I feel like this idea, like, tested a lot of my like Star Wars ideals because it's like, do you really think Mandalorians are cool? Yes, I do, but this is kind of whack. Do I really think, uh, lay and Han are romantic and cool and sexy.

I do, but this is so whack. It's, I mean, like, there are so many differences between these two in hot and light. Oh, yeah, but like, I give it. It works better when it's like De Niro and Tasha McElhoun in Rona. Like, Derek kind of works, but there's like clear consent where it's like, hey, here's how we're getting out of this jam. And it's time to make out.

And it's like, hell yeah. And then they continue to make out after threat passes so you know it was like, cool. here he's just like oh dear I guess I have no choice but to make out with this girl I've been checking out

who's not who's clearly not in a like not comfortable with it as it's happening no not at all yeah and like even if Asoka was giving like if this is the start of their romance like Asoka is the one who makes the addiction of their relationship and saves him

maybe she's like I have a crush on this guy and I'm happy about this this being their first kids is like the vibes are wrong off. It's fucked up. It's bad. Like, so because I'm upset about it, it's like, yeah. We're able to talk about this in a holistic way, but the thing to remember is Previsla hasn't shown up on screen yet.

This is how Previzola shows up for the first time in this episode. Like, the cuts from... Get your woman out of here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He shows up and says, get your woman out of here. And it's like, all right, man. So fun. Dudes only. That's what he says. So you said, dude's only.

The man, man war tent. Welcome to the man tent. Yeah, exactly. It's just, it's a, it's, there's, I wouldn't say there's a strong following, like, romance point in the next, for the rest of this episode. Yeah. So the end. They want there to be. It's like, but I can't buy that, that little.

It's, no, it's really bad. They do. Yeah, they think that it's real. They think that, like, they think the vibes are great coming off of this. They think that it's like lovers being pulled apart. But it's like him insulting her about the things that she's right about for the entire episode. R2D2 saving them. And then at the end of the episode, he's like, we make a really good team.

No, the fuck you do not. What did you do? What did you do? Okay, but you have to remember, Asoka is not allowed to kiss anyone ever or look at anyone. in anything approaching a romantic way. I'm not saying that that makes that kiss good. It doesn't.

But I think it's very easy to understand how confused she is. When you put it into the context of, like, she lives in a monastery and, like, is not allowed to have feelings. Like, she's not allowed to have non-sexual feelings about anybody else that she's supposed to care.

You know what I mean? Like, she just have no attachments. And so I have to imagine that, like, even this little dalliance is like a confusing. confusing and emotional thing for her. Yeah. I don't think,

I think they could have done a better job writing that. Sure coulda. Like, I think, like, genuinely, they could have done a much better job making, like,

if they're trying, if they're trying to sell this, Lux needs to seem cooler. This all needs to be, this needs to be played off better. But, like, because they're painting, like,

because it's so broad, because it's so obvious that, like, death watch is up to no good, that, like, he just seems like a chump. I can, I'm down for the version of this where, like, the response that he kind of, you know, the reason he, this, all this stuff is Soka saying, he just kind of bounces off of him is because, like, hey, I don't see the Jedi coming any closer to dealing with Duku.

Like, you guys have had, like, two years to, like, get this guy off the board. I'm going to work with these guys. Because, yeah, they seem, like, bad and, like, completely out of pocket. But they're also, they also seem like they will kill a motherfucker. Yeah. He's not trying to win a war. He's trying to get a person dead, right? And, like, he knows that.

And by the way, that's what this war is about. You need to kill people. Like, you need to kill these specific people. Oh, don't worry. Asoka knows that, because, again, I mentioned this last episode. She instantly decapitates four people at once in this episode. Four Mandalians in a single maneuver one episode after giving Anakin a little glare for stabbing two droids. I don't know.

They were cat people. They were Nigerians. But still. Yeah. I'm just saying she's, when she goes, she goes. That was, I, that was just unbelievable. It's like when Anna can's not there, Asoka is murking people.

Yeah. When Anakin's there, she's like, I don't think you should be killing people like that. You know what it's like? It's like, she is Easy Rawlins and Anakin is her mouse. And what I mean by that, so like there's this shift in Pia.

stories and like easy rawlins and mouse are kind of like archetypal example used to be the PI like the lone agent would have to be the bearer of like ridiculous violence and also like reason and integrity and like control but like in 80s and 90s like private eye stories they started introducing like dark alter egos to the PI who was like the characters like man things are getting pretty bad I will call this character who only shows up like once a book or maybe every few books

and when they do like if knuckles and get into it yeah that is this is the person who's going to kill a bunch of people and I think like but with the particular characters I'm referring to like it's like when you're in the context of someone you realize is actually like truly

like dangerous in some ways and if they get like if they get unsettled you don't know what they're going to do I think Assoca stays that mode of like trying to sort of like manage anakin a little bit manage up on aniken but that's her own devices where she's like i can just fly by instinct she's pretty ruthless too it's just that aniken freaks her out and she she changes modes there where it's like i can't be the one decapitating a dozen people in a go because then anakin will think it's okay if he

force chokes a hundred which hey well don't worry he'll get to that next in the next arc um the thing, though, another thing here, too, that we can kind of explain it through, which is definitely us doing some retroactive, you know, making it work, is like she does see these people literally torch a village gleefully for the fun of it. And I'm not saying that she shouldn't have had that same energy for her people being enslaved by the Nigerians, Nigerians. But there is a, I think that there is absolutely a difference in the way of Sokisian. She's the world between abstract, distant injustice. She was not in the factory the way Obi-Wan was in that episode

and seeing people gleefully set a town on fire that they've occupied, you know. It's pretty fucked up. It looks real pretty, but... And so this is the thing, like, it's so clear from the jump that this is not going according to Lux's plan. So after, like, Asoka's taken away, he's like, all right, you've got the location for Duku. It's time to go get him.

And Vista's like, oh, well, hold on a second. We'll get to that. But there's a couple things we got to do first. First, droid fights. Second, got enslaved that village. He doesn't say that, yeah, but that's part of their program. But, too, he's like, you've got to prove yourself to us. You got to, like, it's kind of like,

we have this big hazing ritual for you, kid. like you're going to be one of us now we can't just go and like act on your word unless we know you are like unless you are now going to be wearing our ink and that's kind of weird too because like man lux isn't built for this like he's a little he's a little noble kid little lord fauntleroy here is just trying to hire like but they're like no we we need to recruit this kid and make him uh mandolarian and part of that is just going to be uh hanging out in our hellish camp and taking part in our, like, just sadistic rituals. And Lux is like, okay, I'll wait, but, like, you better do it.

And this is kind of, this is the thing so frustrating about this is, like, if he, if he had the argument of, like, these people, if he'd gone into this with his eyes just a little more open about being, like, I know who I'm dealing with, but right now I need bad people on my side and instead he just comes across as like really naive in a way that in the start of the even at the start of the show he didn't right the start of the show he's like i know like he's making the moves and he sees he sees what's in play he sees what he's dealing with he sees what he's got what he's got to do here he doesn't see this guy's an obvious fraud and like none of this is going to come together and by the way this group now seems so undisciplined it doesn't seem

we're going to get ducu like five minutes in that camp you're like these people aren't going to get to the door. No, there's no way. Not the way they are right now. You know, I feel like, you know, no offense to previsal it, but like, I don't know that he's a good commander for this crew at this point, if this is how loose things have become and unfocused on the fucking mission. Like, they're not, again.

And it comes from the top. Like, it's not like he's, like, trying to get a hold of, like, rowdy, you know, inferior. Like, he, he, from the very top, like, is unconcerned with ending this war or getting to do goo. Or getting back Mandelor again, right? Like, this is the thing. Yeah. This has just become his little ego project of his, like, rowdy gang who gets to, like, go around

and, you know, scrape by. And maybe in his, in his, maybe he would justify it by saying that they need to do some rebuilding and get more equipment and blah, blah, blah. But none of that's on screen, you know? yeah I feel so resentful towards this episode for painting Lux to be Asok as equal in this entire endeavor in the sense that like at the end his comment that we mentioned before of like a we make such a good team when he just comes off like the most naive teenager operating out of just pure. anger and angst over his mother and it just makes him look so I wish that he had felt like a more capable like okay this isn't going to plan I am in a situation that I did not anticipate but at least like make the recovery in a way that still shows you as I don't know some sort of

capable person so I felt like that line should we make a really good we make a pretty good team Um, this is a, this is a refrain in the Timothy Zahn novels about Luke Scott Walker and Mara Jane. Like genuinely, it's an observation everyone makes throughout those stories of like, wow, for two people who don't like for, for someone who really hates you, you guys really work well together. But the thing that they do effectively in those stories is every time, like when people are like, you make a really good team, in every single one of those novels, Luke and Mara go on an 18 Mission Impossible style like heist and like wreck house. and so when people are like wow you guys make a really good team it's like maybe there's more to this but also it's like yeah they fucking do

do you see what do you see the ruin they're locked in their wake and here it's like we make a really good team and from what I can tell he drove a speed speeder badly while Art 2 and Asoka saved his ass like that's it like

he didn't even like have Asoka's lightsabers like in his coat right like the most minor change to him having her back in this episode could have be done and like he stood there he stood there and he told her she was wrong the whole time like it's yeah it's even in the fight at the end the big brawl between the robots and no he's driving the car no but I mean before that like when when Prizla has the Dark Sabre out and is like dueling Asoka and there's a fight around him that's when she's like go get the car basically

The conversation makes me think of a different thing, which is like, why are we supposed to believe that he had the means and the connections to contact Death Watch? But without the like knowledge of what, like, his perception of Death Watch should be like the last big thing that they did was do a big, like, public terrorist event on Mandelor. So why would he go into this being like, well, they want to kill Duku and it's just going to be fine?

Right, right. The Duku beef, the Duku Previsla beef, do we even see that? Was that part of that arc? I don't think so. I don't remember. Where did that scar come from? Because he says it's from, he says it's from Duku. But I don't remember Duku being in that arc. Am I just, maybe I'm just from misremembering. Maybe I'm just not. I'm glad that you're questioning this because I was questioning it while watching it. I was like, well, I'm not watching it. I'm like, what does this kid do? Okay, Soca's about to No, he doesn't do shit Okay, dude's about to behead Asoka And R2 rolls into the tent

The execution tent, not the war tent And smacks into a guy from behind Okay, okay Lux does Try to tackle Viz as he's trying to draw on Asoka But Oh wow, great team

Yeah. I can now confirm also that all that stuff about previsal and Duku having a falling out is just, this is where it all comes from. It just comes from him showing up with a scar being like, yeah, Duku's a jerk now. We had a falling out. And that's like, okay, I wish that had been on, I wish that had been on screen. This could have breathed a little more. I guess it couldn't because I wouldn't have wanted like a three-episode Luxemontary arc. No, you know what we love?

Maybe they would have gotten a better Luxemeteria if he had got a better Luxemeteria if he had gotten some shit to do you imagine how awesome though like a single episode maybe a tiny arc of like viz hooking up with ducu and realizing like right he's just using us as suicide troops right this is the thing right it's like the arc that i want now is the three episode arc where the first arc is about the negotiations on mandolore duku hires uh death watch to try to fuck up the negotiations the end of that lux comes through and is like duku tried to kill my my mom um Somehow, Vizla realized that he's being used as a pawn by Duku, confronts Duku. There's a whole fight there.

Second episode is this. Third episode is some big Duku Death Watch confrontation or something. There's something else to do here, right? Yeah. But it's all compressed in a way that's like, you're telling me that we got like a big Duku, Vizla falling out. We didn't get to see that. That sucks.

That would at least like tie the string between Lux and Death Watch. Because why the fuck would Lux be aware of Death Watch? He's not from... I'm sure his mom has them in the Rolodex or had them in the Rolodex. Why would she have them in the Rolodex? She's messing around with dark shit all the time. She's got this shit. You kidding me?

But that's me... But that's why the Death Watch stuff is like so out of the orbit, right? Like we don't understand their relationship with the separatists at all besides an assumed relationship with Duky that isn't even that. there. And like, I keep thinking about it because we were talking about it a lot last episode with the slavers where it's like, your society is doing pretty well. Like, what are you actually upset about? Like, the fact that the neutrality talks happen on Mandelor is like, is he upset because they're a pacifist culture and it's like he wants to go back to nutrition or whatever.

But like every time we have a conversation about political power in Star Wars, it's who's in the conversation, what planet are they going to? Who knows who? Like, Mandate. Mandelor is doing pretty well, power-wise. Like, if I'm going to do the Chris DBZ-scale power for Mandalor, like, they're doing all right, even though they're not burning down villages anymore. Like, what's the actual beef? Spend some time with it. Well, and the thing is, and if there is no beef there, I think there's real value in getting

to one of the essential things that, like, drives people toward, like, fascism is the notion of like the idea of a constraint eventually becomes intolerable to a certain type of asshole right like that the moment this is um this is to go back to uh jaclin de romilly wrote this book about uhthenian politics right before the palpanian war why couldn't they make a deal because there were deals on the table to be like just don't do do grandpire this particular way like let uh like lift one of these decrees uh you've given why couldn't they make that deal and her argument and this is all being written in the context of the war in Algeria. She's a French

scholar responding to this. But she's like, what she was observing in her lifetime was like there is no reason for a person at the heart of an empire who has tons of prosperity, peace, wealth, privilege. There's no reason why

being told, here's the one thing you can't to dominate these people's affairs who you don't even care about that much. It has nothing to do with you. They have nothing to do with you. You have nothing to do with them. But the idea of, oh, but now you know there's a limit. Now you know there's a limit to what you're allowed to do turns people extremist. It drives people around the bend. I think that's kind of, I think Death Watch, there's hands that yes, they're like a revanchise power where they

want Mandelor to be an imperialist power again. They want to be a military government again. But I also think to an extent the the thing that's i think star wars sometimes struggles to get at is that which is weird for a thing so often about like power and people's relationships to it uh but that eventually like for a certain power obsessed type of person just being forced to acknowledge that your power has a limit will be the thing that just completely like breaks your brain and i think that I think that's kind of is. But, yeah, we just have no... We don't see it.

Yeah. Or we, I think we're seeing evidence of that again. Like, I think that so much of this is driven by a desire to exert force and, you know, bask in the exertion. But I... Which, yes, I mean, you know, like, why would be a really good villain? Right. Totally. Right.

What are we doing here? Yeah. It's like they go to, they find a, it's a, it's a... Faloni story, so they find a, you know... We are a simple people, we trust easily, and we were betrayed type of people. Yeah, the Ming Po, a name

that I don't even really know that they... How many times can Faloni go back to Seven Samurai? At least like 50. But it's that kind of thing where, yeah, it's just you know, a humble subsistence farming village.

and even there it's not clear like why are we doing this death watch like what are we doing here because nobody seems to have anything unless you're like they're starting boys were dominating the the cherry blossom trade price of the cherry blossom brick just went up it's just aimless ruckus right it's just like aimless like when they're that's the mood that they set when you're walking in Boketan's

slap in your ass and people are doing target practice on droids. They're training to fight droids, but yes it absolutely is like dance, droid dance. Like it's completely It's what it is. It's just like It's farce. Yeah, yeah. The game rolled into town and they've just, yeah.

Yeah, they're taking over the town for the, for as long as they until, you know, one sheriff will drive them out. Right, exactly. And that sheriff is Luxembourg. No? No. I'm hearing no. It's R2D2. R2D2.

It's R2D2, who uses a super meter again this episode, by the way. We should talk about this a little bit because in the middle of this, you want to go to have the tonal shift. Actually, the massacre of the village is not the darkest, bleakest thing you're going to see. It's going to be when they tell R2 fix these droids. And he goes into the tent of shattered broken droids. And they're like, please fix us. Please.

And Osoka, in Osuka, R2, staying there as like savior R2 with just more people beseeching him that he can possibly help but he does he starts putting all the droids back together but also like

you know when next we check in on him the droids are like we will die for you we like thank you anything you need you've restored us

anything you need just name it in R2 Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, Artu's wish is, I need you to die for me. Actually, specifically, for these two kids, I, my, my owner

slash pet human, his favorite Jedi kid is this one? Look, we just have to do it. I don't know who the, I don't know who the little dark-haired kid is, but we got to help him too. It's very, uh, toy story when, like, Woody and Buzz end up in the fucked up toy house and all the fucked up toys are

but then they like get a little alliance or whatever that's very much how I read the approach of the other toys like play with us play with us like join us join us that's the kind of horror I felt but then it was actually epic and R2 became their friends and then and they all rose up for R2. They did. And then Ross Lauddered is the one bummer. Yeah, that's the part that I didn't like, yeah. I was hoping that they would start their...

They have to leave because there's no more droids drawing fire. Yeah. I was hoping that the end of that episode would be, like, the Ming Po and the droids, like, take the village together. And then there's like a droid village and the droids just get to live happily ever after and same with the minkpo. But yeah, that did not happen. And also did the, did Death Watch leave? No? They stayed there, right?

Like they were chasing after Asoka and Lux and R2 and then. Asoka and squad get on the ship and leave, and that's it? Like, what happens to... What's wrong? What happens to... They're probably fine. They'll be back. Death Watch will be back in probably next season.

Definitely next season. Here's the thing Death Watch definitely didn't do, is in a fit of peak, actually massacre the villagers instead of just burning their houses. Death Watch didn't do that. They didn't show that part where Death Watch is like, cheese it. They're going to call the cops on us and leave. But I think we can safely say that's probably. what happened.

They didn't tell the part where Death Watch said, hey, we would going kind of hard on these totally normal, regular people who don't need this shit. We should get out of here and leave them back to their normal lives. They just skipped that part. They left that part out because they assumed

we would know what that happened. Some people can construe what we're doing is like looking like a precursor of human trafficking. We don't want people to get confused about what Death Watch is about. All right, ladies, back to your homes. Sorry about your families. So fun.

Because of that Jedi, we definitely need to clean up our act and get out of here before the rest of the republic shows up and brings us to justice you've been saying my crime days behind me hey I have a question by the way yes is there armor not Baskar huh is there armor not Baskar so all Death Watch wears this blue Mandalorian armor well blue gray here but like when we see Bocatan in a man the Mandalorian she's wearing this Blue Armour, they're wearing versions of this, but here, again,

as opposed to where we saw Death Watch previously, where they're, like, got fresh factory new equipment right and left. Here, everything does look kind of biker gang refurbed in some ways. I don't think it's best car. Yeah, me either. Do they not have the real shit?

I don't think so, because, I mean, I think Mandalorian, the show, like the only Mandalorian's the only Mandalorian lady making Baskar is the one

that Jinaran is homies with is in her squad. That's what we think anyway. Like Boketan in the show doesn't have Baskar armor.

Didn't seem like not. I don't think so. But I'm... She has the same blue armor. But is that traditional like

I am just increasingly interested in the like two forks of like Mandalay armor or something. It's three forks now.

Wikipedia seems to think that that armor is Baskar Boketan's in the show Yeah But like You can color things No but like Was Viscla making Bessclar armor

In that factory on Mandelor Before he left Once he took the The No one should look into this By the way I literally just Googled Bessar

You need to call Like I just I need to say to you right now Don't look into anything about Mandalorians Don't look into anything about Baskar don't look into anything about Bocatan or the Nightwatch. Like, I'm drawing a hard line in the sand on this.

You cannot go down this route. Okay. But I'm just putting the questions out there in the air. I'm speaking. Yes, and I believe it is Baskar, and we're going to just pretend like it is. I feel like things have gotten a little shoddy across the board, and I'm just not sure they have the nicest here. Our protagonists aren't Mandalarians, and so they don't care about telling us what their shit is made of.

Is my materialist answer to this? is that like they do not care they don't care about what antagonists are made of they're gonna lose if we had a Mandalorian on our side you better believe we would be hearing about Baskar the four

the four Mandalorians who got decapitated were not named they didn't have names they were just four randos also she did hit them in the neck which is not that's true that yeah that is true but I'm talking about the first person who was on the roof she stabbed them with the spear

through the chest. And that's why I was like, oh, it's not Baskar. That's not Baskar, right? Piercing damage is always some of the hardest of the fly. I think sometimes you just write, and then Asoka throws a spear and it's sick and it hits a guy in the chest. Hey, it is sick. The risk of this is that we slip into Cinemason shit, and it's like, we don't need to, it's not, it doesn't matter. They're not doing storytelling through this at this moment.

That's true. That's true. That's, you know what I mean? Where's the Mandalorian from episode one? Bescar is the most important thing in this world. Besscar is your armor, but it's your money and it's your identity. Exactly. I don't know the people who wrote this knew the word Bessar.

Yeah, fair. Yeah. Yeah, very true. Yeah, so I will say, like, for all the things that are kind of frustrating about this episode, like, it does look, like, the stuff of the village is corny. and like horrible but also like looks great like that burning village fight and the whole like uprising of the droids the battle in the snow like stuff looks terrific i think the chase is uh you know really cool with the sort of acrobatics uh fighting on the back of the speeder um yeah you know

i too love back to the future i've never seen back of the future um can't really um Did we know that Vizla had the Dark Sabre? I can't remember. Yeah, you fought Obi-1 with it last time around. Oh, duh, duh, right, right. Okay. Yeah, okay. Here's my, here is my Baskar answer.

Besscar is a word only gets, that only comes into existence in 2006 in a, in a article called the Mandalorian people and culture in Star Wars Insider 86. Up until then, it was just called, oh, yeah, Mandalorian Iron. Both of them had had Doris Steel armor, like classic regular shit. It's really only, it's really only Mandalorian that makes Bessgar the thing that it is. And so you can retcon it back and be like, yeah, they had on Bessar armor. And that seems to be what the canon, because of the way it's talked about there, you know, all previous Mandalorian armor is now Bessar armor, basically. Um, so.

Right. Anyway. Even Jodo casts. Franchises are bad. Or they're hard to make. Well, it's so because like even Mandalorian sets up the, Mandalorian spoilers, I guess, but it sets up that like even if the characters right now are talking about this is an extremely important thing, who knows how wide that ripple

is amongst greater culture and the Mandalorian is good and you should watch it if you don't. Anyway. Agreed. I think that's this episode I think we can move on to this next star Yep Yeah so this one ends with Yeah

Lux going off into space In his escape pod Which sometimes they appear to have navigation ability Sometimes not It really depends on what Star Wars story You're talking about Does it have its own hyper drive

Like Doesn't seem like it would I guess he doesn't know what his plan is Maybe he has like a pickup arranged Somehow You planned everything else so carefully He is space triple A You know

he's got he's got a rich kid spaceship it's it's like it's more it's like those yachts with like proper speedboats or like cutters attached to them where it's like this can also go places uh yeah maybe that's what's going on uh so our next episode kicks off an arc about an assassination slash uh you know kidnapping plot against chancellor palpatine uh but it starts off with um An episode called Deception, and it, the entire thing, okay, basically they're doing face-off, but with Obi-Wan Kenobi. They're doing the Nick, the Nick Cage, John Travolta, John Wu. This is a film noir thing, too, right? This is like a class or a crime movie thing, I guess I should say, right? That, like, I want to say there's like an old Cagney movie that does this. There's a bunch of, like, the cop has to get information from the criminal, but the criminal is in jail already, so the cop goes undercover as a criminal, purposely gets arrested.

But I guess you're right, it's literally face-off in this case. Right down to the fact that is it not Samuel L. Jackson in face-off? I don't see. In face-off? I think he has a small part. I don't know that that's true. Rob. Okay. I'll have to

I'll double check. He has, there's like, there's a doctor and there's an agent. Damn, anyone want to go see Face Off?

Face Off's playing at the Nighthawk. Yo. Let's go. I love Face Off. Okay, I'll be there in six hours. I've never seen it.

Um, but, but here the, the catch is, so in Face Off, they literally trade faces. Um, that's,

that's kind of, he takes his face off. Yeah Chewake That's what he does He does this Anyway I'm making the handge I'm making the Nick Cage handchester

Anyway Yeah Yeah so But here it kicks off with We also We have to fake We have to fake his Obi-Wan's death

And so this entire first episode is We have to make it look Like Obi-Wan was legit, just randomly shot by an assassin so that everyone will be like wow, that assassin's really cool and therefore he has tons of street cred

and then we are immediately going to disappear that assassin to take his face. We probably hire? Jedi hired this assassin. Jedi hired this assassin. Yeah, we need to talk about what this plan supposedly was

because like this guy kills Obi-Wan it has to be in a very public way. Obi-Wan has, like, tailored this to the point where, like, I need to make this so fake, I need to convince Anakin that I'm dead, because this is, like, a huge priority to me to make this plan work. And Anakin's reaction will prove that it was real. Because Anakin will not sell it if he knows I'm not. And everybody knows. In fact, Yoda even says this later.

Everybody knows who Anakin is. Everybody knows that Anakin is dangerous and is a threat to those around him, friend and animal. me alike. And I think that like anything less than Anakin in dark mode stepping into the room to like get justice would not sell that Obi-Wan was dead. And Obi-Wan

knows that and uses it. And Anakin plays the part so well by showing up in that all-black fucking funeral gear, fucking standing at the edge of the coffin at Obi-Wan's feet just glaring like it worked. It worked. It worked.

It worked. Uh-huh. Sotene was there too. She was fucking there She looked great It was very sad Obi-Wan I don't know Why you think this is a good idea Why you're doing this to the people

That you love in your life Someone has to do it He does I think I love about this beat And we should give maybe a broader I mean we're only gonna do the first two episodes There's stuff I don't know yet Because I've not seen it

And I stopped watching Because I was like I need to see the I need to come into the next arc With the same energy I have for this one Having just watched it Because I'm enjoying this arc I love that Obi-Wan does the same shit he does when he's about to get killed by Vader 30 years later.

I know I'm not normally a reference person, but when he's like about to step out and take the shot, he centers himself in the way he does before letting Vader kill him in front of Luke because he's doing the same thing. He's letting himself be hurt in front of someone he loves to get a reaction out of them and to push them into a certain sort of behavior that he needs them to be pushed into because that's who Obi-Wan is. And he just stepped out and takes the shot. He just steps out and takes the shot and falls off the building and lands in some well-placed boxes and crates. I will say all of this hinges on something that makes zero sense at all, which is there is no way Anakin would not have noticed that he was wearing a big metal plate on his chest to prevent the shot from hitting him. He says that Anakin moved his body.

Well, Anakin didn't rip his robes off and be like, oh my God, is my boy shot? And we tried to hold in the blood He didn't check Yeah, that That doesn't work Very good point They just It's and again I'm doing

I'm now the one doing Cinema Sin shit But like They should have done better For me it's just the like They make such a deal about Man the close bonds All these folks have

And it's like You can't sense the Obi-Won's alive That just bugs me That like Well they do They cover that up They do cover that up in the next episode Because Anakin says

I knew my connection was too strong I knew something was like oh I know Obi-1's alive like I that's why like my feelings are so strong So they do I think mask that in the next episode But also Obi-1 had a vital suppressor Yeah it's a classic that's a Julia That's a Romeo and Juliet device Oh true

takes before, and that's why Romeo thinks that she's dead. Spoilers for Romeo and Juliet. Oh, thank you. Thanks. Damn it. Anyway, the big deal that I'm really upset about, because what the Jedi are doing is they're hiring an assassin to kill Obi-Wan.

And then the assassin goes to a bar and very loudly says, I killed Obi-Wan. And why would you do that if that wasn't part of the deal? Like, what's going on? I think that was part of the deal. I, yeah, I was like, I was like, people know you killed him afterwards.

But like, okay, and this is the other thing. Every time we get a Q&A episode, like, what do you want a Clone Wars episode to be about? Every single motherfucker in that bar who cheered after he said that? Because the whole bar cheers. Like, what is happening to these people in this place? Anyway. So.

They've all been, I mean, if it happens is what ends up happening, which is a fucking Jedi is going to show up later. And it's going to be annoying and interrupt our fucking night. And, like, that's attention we don't need. I'm trying to move Coke in the bathroom. Like, I don't need fucking Mace Window here. I want to talk. Speaking of Jedi coming through.

It's so fucked up. They take this guy to an alley. And they're like, I'm going to give you your money for killing Obi-Wan Kenobi. And then they're like, you have to give us our clothes first, your clothes first. And here it is apparent this was not part of the negotiation. It could have been. It's obviously part of the plan. They are taking advantage of this person.

in an extremely fucked up way. Mace Winn... Mace Wendu says in front of the real guy, while Obi-Wan is wearing his face and his clothes, you look like a criminal. And what the fuck is not a crime about what Fis Wadu is doing? Oh, they're Jedi.

So this is allowed. Because they're trying to save the chance to them. Which is like the juiciest. What is going to happen? to that dude after Obi-Wan he's in a Jedi prison dead ass he has to

be locked in a room 100% he just disappeared did you know you could just shrink a person down and put them in a holocron because that's what they did to him and they don't have like they don't have a Jedi sniper who could just be doing this like why is the I guess you

have to have the public setup of like every blast a rifle I think We know that Kostin Neu is a Jedi sniper. We know this. The librarian is a sniper. She has a fucking sniper rifle that she shoots Darth Vader with later in the comics. I think I've mentioned this strange thing before. I'm pretty sure it's her.

Maybe I'm making this up. But they could have done that. You're right. I don't think it, but that news doesn't get to the prison. I know. It's kind of get to the prison. It's so funny. But did they have to be a person?

Like, couldn't Obi-Wan have just, like, like, kind of the Sims did and, like, just made up a new face? Yeah. And gone with that? I don't know. That's a real person's life. It was Robert Wisdom, who plays the friend in Face Off, who gets murdered by castor once he gets loose. Also, forgot the CCH Pounder is in that movie. Margaret Choate. Like, what is going on in face-off?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jocosta New has a lightsaber rifle. That's a whole thing. Isn't that just a tiny Death Star? Canonically, that's a tiny Death Star. Yeah. You loaded the lights. Once a lightsaber is properly loaded into the open slot of the rifle, a lightsaber rifle could produce an overwhelmingly powerful and destructive beam of energy. One such rifle was kept in the archives.

It could fire at least five shots before the lightsaber being used as fuel, melted beyond usage at which point the empty rifle began to smoke. I want to see Dukasta New defending the library from Order 66. Yes. Yes. Off the sniper. Just discarding melted rifles.

Yes. Get me another one of these. There's still room in hell. Darth Vader 10 from 2017 is where the two showdown and have this fight. Anyway. Yeah, it's fucked up. Everything, you're right, Allie. Everything that they're doing here is fucked up.

Yeah. Yod is literally like heading down a dark path, are we? I mean, it's pretty early on where they're like, killing a Jedi is the only option we have, right? So, like, they, they, and also it is, it does become clear that Obi-Wan is, like, having a lot of fun with this plan pretty early on. When they show up in, like, the secret Jedi medical lab and he's like, you know, how is my funeral is extremely. funny. Your girl was there. Like, why do you not care about the people in your life?

Because he cares about the job. Now he's like, hey, anyone knows of Sotin mentioned it? What's she say about? What did Duchess Sateen, like? Are she there with anybody or does she come alone? Her favorite memories. I mean, you know, you can tell me,

you know. God, he should have gotten the face surgery done first and showed up and laid in there. I agree He should have been in the rafters He should have been He should put a droid out there

I agree Well so I think the other thing is This also feels like Maybe I'm reading I'm probably reading too much into this I feel like the whole Heading down a dark path Are we type thing

I feel like the Jedi are starting to get the Like something is profoundly wrong about this And they just don't know what it is And they are beginning to try different keys and different locks to try to figure out what is like why does it why does it feel like we can never get on the inside of any other plots and so they cook this thing up entirely in-house and they run in higher operation without telling anybody including the chancellor including palpatine yes and like that's one of my favorite things about this arc so far is that palpatine is on the

outside of it and is anxious about it and starts making decisions including pushing aniken down paths in order to get back in on the plan. He can tell something is off and that for once they are one step ahead of him in some in some manner. And I love that about it. And the way they've done it is to be a little Palpatine about it. And we do know like this is part of ultimately the way like Palpatine will begin his end game is with a version of this exact plan. And so to an extent like is he already thinking now things are teetering I'm just going to push and like they're hatching this plan to sort of force a different approach but it is but I oh god sorry I kind of I just realized we have not given the high level for the audit for people who have

not watched yet these two episodes are Obi-Wan fakes his own death to infiltrate a prison so he can get close to a guy named Moralo Eval. He ain't all that. Evil Morales is what they've named this fucking character. And work with him to figure out an assassination attempt on the chancellor. It turns out when he gets there that, of course, undercover Obi-Wan has to show that he's a big guy. He stabs a shark guy in the hand. He, you know, helps cause a riot by mistake.

We run into a bunch of old friends, including Boba Fett briefly, which we'll get to. And of course, Cad Bain, because Moralo, Eval has hired Cad Bain to break him out and get him to Duku, where this plan is supposed to unfold. And Bain immediately smells something wrong about Obi-Wan's undercover persona, and so we get a lot of back and forth between the two of them. But they eventually escape the prison and get to Nalhuda, a stinky swampy hut planet that I spent too much time on, in Star Wars, the Old Republic, because that's where the bounty hunter and imperial agent stories start. And while there, they constantly try to backstab each other and push each other out of Moralo's employ while trying to get the ships and equipment they need to get to Duku, and all while

being pursued by both bounty hunters from the huts, but also Anakin, who's getting increasingly dark, increasingly choky, and increasingly close. And at all, and this, this, two, these two episodes end with a really sharp duel, uh, I mean, like kind of a chase and then a duel in the midst of an off world, I guess kind of a dead world's, a barren world's, like, refilling station or refueling station. I love that. I just be able fucking rules. It's so good. This whole thing rules so much. This is like one of my favorite arc so far. And again, maybe they missed the, final two and I'm just like awful I'm off it but like all of this reminds me of so much of

some of my favorite Batman the animated series arcs uh the the vibes are just immaculate all the locations are really good and then yeah that this final confrontation on a refueling planet that's part of a like a low uh a low effort crime scam yeah between a used car salesman and his brother the gas station owner in space and then also that planet seems to just be an oil refinery in an oil like digging place because like the whole planet is covered in these oil uh pipelines that eventually presumably go to the gas station uh and so that's the confrontation and obi and then annaic at the very end realizes sort of realize he knows that obi one is alive and i think he understands coming out of this episode that the sniper the guy with

the sniper face but it's not a hundred percent clear because he is very like thick-headed and he's yes like does he understand he says something like we've When Asoka asks him what's wrong, Master, he says something like, I knew my feelings are right. Obi-Wan's alive. We've got to get to the bottom of this. I'm like, I think you just got to the bottom of it. The dude you just thought you were fighting was actually Obi-Wan.

Anyway, that's the schematic. That's the shape of these two episodes. It does give strong anime series vibes. I was thinking, like, I would love a version about the little sniper who, like, was set up for this, like, strutting around Kora. Something like, I killed a Jedi. and then people being like, we just got to kill this guy

to show that we're the hardest. Like one of my all-time favorite Batman animated series episodes, this little rando nerd kills Batman while fleeing him. And everyone's like, I think it's like the man who killed the bat. And the entire underworld is the toast of the underworld.

But it starts to really piss off all the supervillains who are like, this is just a stick-up guy. This guy's, and it ends with like Joker being like just aesthetically offended by it. Like giving a, eulogy to Batman, the greatest foe I've ever faced, you know, the most brilliant mind,

the most impossible to kill, you know, adversary until he was killed by a little nothing like you. Oh, it's great. That's so good. And Evol also really feels like a Batman crime villain, like a Falcone or something like that. Like he's like, he has that kind of like underboss vibes in a way that a lot of Star Wars Clone Wars characters have not

The Weasel I'm coming into this Just still Now I'm just like Completely high On the Cadbane supply Completely Right 100%

Oh my god When we'll get like We should just King all the way through these two episodes But we should slow it out And I'll go back To where we were

Which was baby faced Obi-Wan Okay so they're putting the face on him I do first they take his face off They take off the beard And his hair And I need to get a vibe check Bald

Bald beard baddy bald no beard baby sure not good I in this you know so distracted by being like why don't we have the technology to have a razor with a vacuum attached to it it's 2022 I feel like that should not be like oh we want to get flobied they know they floby him in the they do they use it in the episode I was like I never see that wait that way that way it's called a floby what's a floby what you want A droid with a vacuum arm is shaving his head and face and the hair just gets swooped.

I'm just going to drop a picture into the tree. Why is the floby official website? Why is the how does it work video, a private video in Vimeo? I can't even watch the, it's private. They private the fucking floby instruction video. It was just like ruinously expensive to keep it up. Yeah, Vimeo, oh, that's the actual, Vimeo is a scam, is the answer.

The second you get any amount of real watches on Vimeo, there's like some sort of cap, they then ask you to charge it on. They charge you an arm and a light to keep videos. Anyway, you can watch this man cut off his hair with a floby. This is, this is it. Oh, my God, this video is terrible. Oh, my God, the music.

Are you watching the same video that? I can't turn on, I can't turn on music on videos while we record podcasts. Oh, okay. Because then it comes through to the OBS. Like, oh my lord This is not working for this man's luscious locks at all I don't think it is anyway

He's got Obi-1 He's got Obi-1 hair He does have Obi-Wan hair We're watching chopping off my hair with a floby Lockdown self-haircut I don't trust this person I'm not vouching for a YouTube user John Kay

This is just where we found ourselves All of his video seem to be about about L.A. L.A. Clippers $2 billion in Tuit Dome construction updates. He's a very weird person. I don't know about all that.

Anyway, he's clipping his hair with this. It's a pretty even cut. Yeah, at the end of it, you skip ahead to like four minutes in. I don't like this thing he's doing with his hair, though. I don't like the bad. What's going on with a bag?

Yeah. the fate. Oh, there he go. He cleaned it up. Oh, pretty. I don't know. Oh, he's just going blind? Does he not even have a mirror in here? Bro, I don't like the back. The back is rough. Speaking of not liking where things are going, this expression for Obi-1 while he's getting his hair

backed back is pretty. Also, is that an interrogation droid behind him? No, I think that's just his barber. Oh, I see. Oh, that's a doctor droid. That's one of those doctors. Right, right, right. M.D. Yeah. From, yeah, yeah. Mm-D.

Anyway, we do get those, like, Obi-Wan with the only hair on his head is his eyebrows, and it's, I don't, I don't think it's real. That's not Obi-Wan to me. He doesn't look like Obi-Wan to me. It's like, one of those things where, like, it's like, we'll just take the hair off this model, but without the model only works as a whole. Otherwise, it's Mr. Potato-head. And that's kind of what we end up with. here where it's just like yeah no more hair here's obiwan

and then we get the first piece of body horror this episode but not the last as Obi-Wan's face and skull reformed to be this other guy's face we see like his face muscles all like you know he has a bad time

there's like a sort of rapid spasm yeah it's this help me you're right fight off aging and like emote as other people but then you know who knows where it ends.

What we do know where it ends. You're a big goo monster. You're a big goo monster. Yeah, totally. Also, I do love, they've got technology to reshape his face. You just do that.

Cool, we're using net attack, whatever. How are we going to change your voice? You need to swallow this spider ball. The size of a ski ball. It's like, it's not. You're like, it's so big.

It's kind of like a gumball size. And then, no. No, because then you see a hand. And you're like, that, like, that's a shot put. Like, he's just got a, he's got a, he's got a little tentacles for some reason. Yeah.

And they needed, they had to aggressively interrogate the person that they hired to kill Obi-Wan to get a voice clip so he could talk with his voice. Yeah. They play this out from A to Z. Basically, he's got a little droid. A lot of his vocal cords, DJing while he talks. It's going to be sampling, like, what he's trying to say. and then, like, kicking out the remix as this other guy's voice.

But to do that, you need this enormous droid in your throat. Um... Um... I deeply... Pause. I do. I have a very small note. I even changed the text size. It says, did Obi-Wan and...

Did Obi-Wan and Mace Wind do fuck while he was in the hardened body? So that's why. I'm just asking questions. It's his same body. It's the same body. It's the same body. Okay, for sure. That's right.

It's not a body. His body did change. That's true. That's a good question. But, Obi-Wan is like, you look great. Or no,

Mace Window compliments him in a way that's loaded. I don't know. Anyway, moving on. What surprised me was that this is the same voice actor as Obi-Wan's voice actor. I thought that they changed voice actors.

I did too, yeah. And I'm going to take you to not the Filoni zone. until it becomes the Faloni zone. So here's a link for today. Okay. I will note there was nothing even like a Faloni zone. There was even an attempt on that last episode.

They just let that one hang loose. The Lux Monterey one, they were like, eh, do we really need to get our boy in the booth to talk about this one? Nah. All right. Okay, count me in on this. Yep. Are we all ready? Are we good?

Wait, wait. Okay, I'm ready. Three, two, one, go. There he go. Oh, it's so funny. In the very first episode of this is James Arnold Taylor, four-part story, who was Obi-Wan's voice actor. Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan!

We think that Obi-Wan Kenobi is dead. That goes really deep and creates just an intense circumstance for the Clone Wars. When we got the scripts that day, we all look at it and go, oh, wow. Wow. True. We cut to that levity. Same. How was my funeral?

A better performance than you. Your corpse game. It's a kind of a great detective story. Where'd they get the corpse? Is it? Time for a shave. What is Obi-1 can be going to look like without his beard? Now we know from Phantom Menace that Ewan is very clean cut and all.

I have a bad feeling about this. But we haven't seen him like that on our show ever. So to see this bald and clean-shaven Obi-1 was really just awesome to see. to see. Transformation. The cool thing about this whole story arc with Obi-Wan was he got to play two different characters, and the greatest part about being a voice actor is I got to be both of those characters. Well done, Mr. Hardin.

But first, we need one more thing. Your clothes? What the? When we first looked at the picture of Hardin, I noticed he's got kind of a crooked nose, you know, looks like maybe he's been broken before in a fist fight or something. So he's gonna have kind of that sense to him. I don't know what you guys are up to, but... Do we have enough recording? I believe so.

It does bring the other voice actor. Just wait. ...into his throat to change his voice. To get that good Hardin tone. You swallow it. I was afraid you'd say that. So I had to do these sounds and it was great because I did this transformation sound. No.

When everyone's talking and then he's gotta kind of switch down into Hardine and back up into Obi-Wollen, so is this transformation of balance. What an odd sensation. Yeah, it's like kind of impressive. It will take some... getting used to. When he's talking to the Jedi Council. This is Ben.

He's got to be Obi-Wan. I started with, you know, okay, I would hear Obi-Wan saying the lights, hello, this is Ben, in my head, but I'd have to say it in Hardin's voice. And so instead of him saying, I can't do that, which Hardin would say, he would say it like Obi-Wan. I cannot do that. Don't blow your cover. Not to worry. I'm starting to enjoy playing the villain.

Once he goes into character, he's able to be kind of, hey man, I'm just here doing a job. I'm freaking out. terrible the great thing about being a voice actor is we do get to be so many different characters that are opposite of what we sound like just another day on the set the huts owe me a favor so you had damn shoot us now you would have done the same thing in that second episode there's some great banter between Hardin and Cadbane it's always a privilege to work with Cory Burden I walk alone he's Count Duku well it's a pleasure to meet you

Zero the hut. I don't know what you're doing. Cabain for a price. Yeah. We're getting footage of all these people in the boots. Voices in the head, and I just let them out. We have four people on screen. It's amazing how, as a group of people, you all manage to sound exactly like a group of people.

That's forlone with a baseball hat on. There's some great little cameos. Backwards, by the way. In full M-Head. Is there anything else you desire, huh? Pablo that owns the pawn shops, Matt Lanter. Nika Futterman, she plays Pablo's wife. Ashley Eckstein has the kind of the automated computer voice.

That's Asoka. Stephen Stanton, who plays the voice of Tarkin, plays Moralo Evol. This bigger game than Jedi. Dee Bradley Baker sneaks in there. You got a problem with me. You've got just a mishmash of all of these great people coming in and doing characters. That's the great part of working. of working on a show like this where we get such freedom as voice actors.

The thing I truly wish we could do is just transmit to the listener, the faces that voice actors make when they're in the booth. Because they have to lean in so hard to the acting. That, by the way, that whole thing is why, like, when you hear people being like, stop celebrity, like, stunt casting for voice actor roles, it's like major film and TV actors, for the most part, cannot do this. They can't do it. And it's a different discipline.

But, like, I sit there, I see this stuff, I freak out because the ability to, like, just switch between characters and just like, but not just that, not just doing the different voices, but still, like, emoting as those characters kind of floors me. And I also thought it was a different voice actor, but the thing that was really impressing me was, wow, whoever they got to voice Obi-Wan undercover has the intonation and delivery down, even though the voice is completely different, you can still tell, like, it's Obi-Wan talking. And it's like, nope, just that guy has that voice. It has it down. I got a message this week from someone, by the way, who said, funny story, I'm friends with Faloni's ex-assistant, and he said the sole reason for the cowboy hat. is to stand out. Quote, no one would notice a white dude

in a baseball cap. Did they put that line in the fuck these episodes? That's in this episode. Yeah, that's Cad that's Cadbane. Uh-huh. That's Cadban Obi-Wa.

You see Faluny's hat in the episode? Yeah, I did see Philoian cat in the episode. Uh-huh. Anyway, shout-outs to Frye, who messaged me to tell me that. Good, good details to know. Um, anyway, he goes to jail.

He gets into the prison, which, by the way, who runs the prison? The clones do. Okay, yeah. Okay. We also have the red prison guard colon armor. Yes. Yeah. And then we have clones outside of clone armors just in like prison maintenance uniforms.

Like what? It's happening. It's happening. We've been talking. Like, we knew this would happen. Go back and check the tape. What did we say? We said, eventually the report.

public would start to bring these clones home to do this exact sort of work on the core in the republic core they would be they would move from being a military to a police function y'all can't afford more clones y'all can't afford clone like who ran this prison before the clones and housing yeah exactly and like it's just so easy to have a prison where you don't have real people working there you know we can pretend it doesn't exist at all it just clones criminals what okay but We have people on Coruscant who don't have food, who don't have water. Like, where are the wages going? Like, is the Republic being like, oh, we're going to cut all the prison wages, make these clones, and then use that money for, probably not to give those people that have money, but theoretically they would.

But like, hey, what's a senator make? I'm real curious what a senator's paycheck looks like. You know what? How's that senatorial health care? Well, all this is even. I'm running, by the way, this year. for Galactic Senate. I'm not.

I would never. All of this is like doubly like made weird complicated when you know that Maralo Val has guards in his pocket. Yes, he has cloned guards in his pocket. He asks to see

Obi-Wan, who's what's the fucking fake Obi-Wan name? What's the Hardin? Hardin. And they bring to him and give him time in his cell like a mob boss where did all that clone duty and loyalty go

yeah what happened to the loyalty to the republic loyalty to the fucking mob boss come on the quickness that we get turn your your stun off kill the prisoners if you have to there's a riot like two-thirds do this and yeah the clone straight up

yes can you re-say the line alley it is turn off your stunner kill the prisoners if you have to. Yeah. Also, they suck at holding the prisoners. They suck at it. The fact that they lost this riot is very telling about the state of things.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's why people keep breaking out of this prison. Like, Cadman's like, I've done this a billion times. They have not learned the first thing about building a prison where it's like unlimited prisoner numbers and access. to a large central area like the center of the prison is held by default by prisoners and not by guards. And not by guards.

And then the guards are wildly outnumbered and they do not have enough weaponry to like they can legitimately just get rushed and it's over. To say nothing of the fact that the prison is so corrupted that like the amount of like illicit weaponry and material in there is

probably like through the roof. Oh for sure. Also here's another note. How old's Boba Fett? They got Boba Fett and Jen Pop? He's like 14. They got him next to Basque. Here's the thing.

Here's the thing. Last time we saw Boba, he was a child. He was a baby. He was literally like, I want to say, nine years old. Okay, he was probably older than nine. Maybe 10. I think he was like 12. Okay.

But we're talking about preteen. We're talking about T's a tween. at most. Now he is in adult jail. Yeah. He could take Lux Monterey. This Boba Fett? Luxemontary watched.

Just done. But he is still, he is at like 14 maybe. Yeah, he's still a baby. This would be good for him. Apparently. Like, we'll scare him straight. So fucked up.

And. Yes, and so Bain prods Boba into going to start shit with Hardeen, who is actually Obi-Wan, because, I guess because Boba Fed is just like, I'm the one who was supposed to kill a Jedi. Wait, what's the beef that they have? It's that Hardine stole a bounty from him. It's not a real beast. This entire thing is a made-up. Like, this is Boba playing. But Obi-Wan doesn't know that.

No, I think, like, yeah, do we have beef? I don't know if we have beef. Right. It feels like he's trying to play into like, okay, kid, like, it's all good. Right. Well, because we already saw it, like, he doesn't want us to do to a kid what he just did to the Shark Man. Right. You just stab him in the hand.

With a fork. He's enjoying being the villain. He is enjoying playing. I was going to say, how long do you think Obi-Wan's been waiting to just, like, absolutely fuck around like that? 100%. No Jedi honor code to have to uphold He can just No

Stab people with forks Extremely aren't you tired of being nice energy If you look at the personality traits People who choose to become Sith Or people who choose to become Jedi They're actually like pretty high convergence He threatens to eat him He threatens to eat a shark

Yeah he does Also hey we did it We saw the shark men Like from the Monkale arc. Here's a shark walking around. This is the one that you're promised. Yeah. He wasn't shit. He was in water, maybe he'd be shit. Yeah, but he was

no, he was just a level one yard bully. The guy you just fuck up to get that little bit of cred so you can make your moves. Hey, how would you describe Aval, Eval, Moralo, Evol, what would you say his face is like for people who are

listening and have not seen his face? Because he's an alien, but he's a new type of alien. He does have a lot of vibes You're right I'm seeing that little mass effect dude Morgan One of the Slarians Not Garrus

Thane Fane Yeah yeah Fane He's a Fendian Apparently Reptilian species Distinguished by their long arms And elongated skulls

Sure Okay this is their thing Just real quick I think Obi-Wan's not real good at this Like I think he blows the meat with Evol and Cat. I do not think he does.

Oh, the meat, for sure. He gets under Cadd's skin way too much, way too fast, and gets uninvited from the breakout plan. He does. He fucking basically immediately. But also, if he was too eager, that might have looked a little strange. That's true. Like, his whole selling point

to Evol when Evol sits at, you know, it's like, it's like the popular girl comes and sits with you, your table like Aval comes over and it's like so like what's like where are you from like what's your story and he's like and Obi-Wad's only intel about Aval is that he killed his mom when he was born it's so like so like why'd you do it this is not what Aval sounds like at all Aval's like something you know much lower but in my mind he's like the popular girl at school but he's like so why'd you do it like why'd you kill a Jedi like for money or revenge and he's like

guess I was bored and I'm like oh my god like this is going to be like why you guys bond because you're bored murderers I just very silly well Obi-1's entire like preparation of this was listening to one Johnny Cash song and you know what I think I think I'm ready to go undercover San Quentin Absolutely. I know what this life is. 100%. Do we talk about the fact that Anikin is the one that arrests him? No, we didn't.

Did we clased over that? We glazed over that. He choked a lot of people. He choked a lot of people roll into one of many bars they will be rolling into in this arc. And yeah, and immediately whips out the lightsaber, turns it on, no words even said. And then it says, where is Rocco Harbour? And the bartender, who is a snake, by the way, is a snake, is a, not figuratively, is an anacondar, I think is the species name. I thought he was the snail guy.

No. No, you're thinking of the second bar that Obi-Wan that Anakin goes to on now hudda. This is the one on Coruscant where it's a literal snake hanging from like the ceiling, serving drinks with his tail, and then rats out where Rocco is. that Rocco is already Obi-Wan. And so, yes, we do get the Anakin arresting Rocco, Hardine. Which was constructed by the Jedi, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because they needed to make it seem legit. Well, like, even in the car, Asoka's like, where did they say they found the assassin? And Anakin's like, it doesn't matter. They found him. It is like. Batman mode. Our past Batman mode. It's on right now.

Yeah. But it means that he got that intel from Mace Wind or Yoda to be like, hey, go pick up Mardine, please. Thank you. Yeah. And I've just, I'm so surprised. Like, it's, it's honestly a little bit of a, of a, of a, of a, of a stretch to me

that Anakin didn't fuck this fool up way more than he showed up. He rolls over. Obi-Wan rolls over and sees like playing drunk. And when he sees it's an, and he goes, ugh, I already killed a Jedi today. your neck is broken my guy what do you do you are playing with a sharp knife

you are really he is Obi-Wan is getting off on this a little bit Obi-Wan really likes to see Anakin get mad on his behalf this is my read Yeah is it like a secret test Because even O Because Anakin in that scene is like

You're lucky that Obi-Wan wouldn't want you dead And is Obi-Wan like Thanks buddy Like, what does it feel like? Why is he happy? Yeah. Like, yeah, I guess Obi-Wod would rather you rot in prison.

That's true. God. And if we're... Good job, Anakin. Yeah, is he proud in that? Like, why isn't he not ashamed of it? I think he's proud because, honestly, in any other episode,

I mean, Anakin would have forced choke the fuck out of this guy and then taken him to jail. Like, he would have done a little, one two thing of his own and then okay yeah you'll end up in prison eventually but first i'm gonna beat your shit in but he didn't because he couldn't have done because it's obiwan of course maybe he felt that in that moment the connection he was talking about later maybe he felt obiwan's presence in the room and he thought it was yeah right it was all you know what i mean he was

already he felt that presence in a way that like prevented him from doing that at the time he thought oh maybe it's obiwan maybe it's my memory my memory of my memory of of Obi-Wan, keeping me from whatever. I will say, we've now hit, like, basically all the big points of this episode, except for the final escape. And I will say that there is, there is, the fact that we're able to jump around, I have so many of these little conversations. This is, like, I really, really like this episode, even with what I think is, like,

the, the big flub of somehow Anakin does not notice that Obi-Wan is not really shot in the chest at the beginning of the episode, because there's the right ratio of delicious crumbs, like clones operating the prison, the clones turning their weapons off of stun, Boba Fett being in Jen Pop, the return of Bosque, who is here briefly also defending Bobafet. The woman in the bar, the woman in the bar saying, I want to check out his mid-chlorian account. I can't believe we skipped the fact that in this world, in the, in the seedy underbelly of Star Wars, one way that you can say that someone is hot is to say, phew, I want to be. I want to to check out his mid-chlorian count.

I can't believe we didn't even say it. There's so much juice in this episode. Oh, the bar, by the way, is the same bar that Zero the hut used to be in. It's got redressed. It's the same bar. It's Zero's bar. I was also, so I was also, like, 90% sure that when they got the Nal Hutta, the Juan Broke's place is Swamp-A-O-It's, or Swamp Mops.

Oh, it might be. They just refit it. I believe it. I believe it. my point being there's all that there's all that juice there's also just enough time spent with Anakin slipping into the dark side they know that they have to show that because that has to be part of even if it ends up being sublimated by the end or dealt with that has to be that's part of what makes this whole premise so juicy is the idea of seeing how aniken is going

to be presented this information how he's going to react to it they could have done a much first word, season two version of this is just the prison stuff, and we leave it going like, how did you do an episode where you fake, you know, Obi-Wan's death and you don't see Anakin at all, right? They send just the right amount of time with that. They bring in Cadbane, and some of this is they've done enough

legwork at this point, setting things up. We know who Cad-Bain is. Cad-Bain showed up, and I said, let's go Cad-Bain time. The champ is here. That's what my notes say. And like, to the degree that I didn't even flinch when we get the bad forward reference, where Obi-Wan, for some reason, to decide,

to call himself Ben as his undercover nickname. When he calls in to base, when he calls in to base, he goes, this is Ben, which is his undercover name. I didn't, I guess I didn't, I just, is this them setting the stage or that? I just thought, oh, I guess I must have missed another episode where, like, that's his alter ego or whatever.

This is where Ben Kenobi comes from, is from this, at least in this version. version of it, I guess. Oh, God. I'm just thinking, like, just real cringe shit, like, Ben Kenobi is his Mamba. Right. Like, just real.

I'm going to the Ben Kenobie mode. Obi-Wan can't go to this place. Yeah, exactly. Ben can. Mm-hmm. Exactly. So is Kylo named after Obi-Wan's alter ego? Yeah.

Yeah. No, I mean, when Hans Solo meets Ben Kenot, he meets him as Ben Kenobi. Obi-Wan just lives as Ben after the war. Right. That show should be called Ben. And I... Hmm.

Someone did send me something that I've not shared with the class because it's too much. But I will say... What could be too much? We have seen... Yeah. Someone may have sent me the unproduced

produced script of the Ben Kenobi movie that they were going to make after Solo, but Solo bombed so hard that they canceled that movie. But I do have that script. I've read that script. That script does suggest other reasons for the name Ben, if I'm remembering right. And also it was terrible, by the way. I cannot just read this script because there's a chance that would get back to like how it leaked to me. But I will. I also don't want to to spoil anything. It happens to be that this reason that's in this script shows up in the Obi-One-Kinobi show. I don't want to read that content out and spoil something that could hit. Because I think the Ben thing is like one of the stand-out moments in that script. So maybe

after the Obi-1-Kinobi show comes out, I will reveal what this other script version that didn't get produced, was not finalized, maybe said loosely. I don't want to read a direct quote because that could also get back to maybe this particular draft, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I will reveal the broad scope what it is if it's not in

the Obi-Wi-Wan Kenobi show months and months from now. Which I'm still worried about, by the way, because of spoilers, but whatever. I'll share it with you all after this recording, because there is a Ben name drop in this where he decides that's what

he's going to go by, but it's... So it invalidates this moment. This origin moment. Well, it doesn't because this script never got produced. This is, and also... But it would have. It's bad. Probably would have.

This would have taken precedent. Yes. Right. Anyway. Clygon's in that movie. It's wild. Ghost Quigon. Anyway.

So my point, my point is, I think the balance is right on this episode. We should get to the end of it. Yeah. So he just invites. himself to the prison break. He's like, I see them making a break for it. I'm going to join in. Also, again, how bad are things in this prison?

Well, there's a real fast dead prisoner to incinerator pipeline that the clones are just like, shit, the mortality rate in this prison is fucked up. And so they just like drag the bodies in the side rooms that already have like laundry shoots that leads straight down to the incinerator room. So fucked up. Fortunately, they at least have vital sign sensors on the, like on the incinerator, in the incinerator room. So they detect that the three escaping prisoners are actually alive in those little coffins. Actually, they break out, they slaughter the clone guards there.

Who, by the way, are... This is a uniform detail, but I feel like they're wearing, like, exact... like, Imperial Naval uniforms. Yeah. So, this is, quote, the first episode in which clone officers wear hats. Quote, I was testing Clone Wars Adventures online, which is a game that's not in service anymore, and noticed that the game developers there had put hats on the clones of the game, said Dave Filoni.

I immediately thought, wow, I can't believe we haven't done that. So I went into work and had the hats made for the show. I think they really tie in nicely to the original trilogy now. So he saw that this game just gave them Imperial Officer uniformers, including the hats. So he did too. He thought it was cool. Well. It's fun that the prison is the first place they show up.

Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. But again, Obi-Wan just not built for this undercover life. He freezes trying to figure out how to not shoot a clone. Yeah. Bain shoots him and is like, why did you hesitate? And he says my laser jammed.

He doesn't say my laser jam, my blaster jam. But like the thing is they don't jam this way as far as it. Like, probably pretty rare. Probably the odds of that happening. Like pretty low. Yeah, Bain completely reads it as just like you're a punk. Well, and this is, but this one's so like bracing here. Which is a, honestly, that is like a, a gracious read.

Like, CAD could have been like, you're undercover. Like, he could have, I think, put all, everything together and seen that this was, why the fuck with someone who just killed a Jedi, not kill a clone? Right. Right. True. Yep. Well, that's the, that's the thing. Like, the fun thing here is that he's this antagonist who is right. Like, we're not on his side. We're hoping he gets spoiled. But the thing is, like, at every turn where Obi-Wan's trying to like, no, I can't like, hey, you're like, you know. At every turn, it's like, Cat is 100% right. And, like, the only way this works is if they somehow trick him into second-guessing himself. But, like, Cat has this pretty much figured out that something is wrong with this guy, and he shouldn't be part of this. And this is the thing, like, Clone Wars especially, I think, suffers from, Austin, you talk about the bad booking problem of, like, villains just not being allowed to stay cool and threatening because, like, they have to take the worst most pointless out. El's imaginable.

I feel like at this point they haven't done that with Kat. And like even when he's defeated is a pirate victory forever for whoever beat him. But then also he's just too smart. He sees through the things

that are happening around him really clearly, really fast. And so I think like that's kind of a cool part of this arc too is that Obi-Wan's going undercover with an alleged mastermind who turns out to be a total putts. But then the guy who the mastermind hired is like the arch villain of Star Wars Underworld and is way more clever than any Jedi or Sith we've ever met.

And so that's... Easily. Yeah. Yeah. The ship that they end up getting in is a luxury 3,000 space yacht. Or maybe this is the one that Hardeen gets next episode. It looks like the leading line. You're right.

That's the next one. You're right. That's the next one. This one is just a ship. Oh, this one reminds, this is the one that reminded me of the Trindotion, like, prison ship that was on that, I don't know that it is, but the cockpit super reminds me of it with those big windows and like the center console behind the cockpit and stuff.

It reminded me a lot of that style of ship. So, anyway, they steal that ship. So I feel like in the next episode, if Hardeen, if Obi-Wan's problem is like, how do I make this convincing? I feel like immediately crashing the fucking escape ship into a middle of nowhere swamp and be like, oh, we have to, or the cops will find us? Well, I can't hate it's like, why the fuck are you crashing our ship?

I feel like this is not going to go over well. It doesn't seem like it goes over well. I do love that Moralo of all is like, no, this totally scans. You're right. We definitely need to have a deadly high-speed crash of an aircraft as we land in the swamp. He doesn't, like, ditch the ship. It's not like we're, like, pulling it in the lot and, like, leaving it and sitting there on fire.

They crash it. They could have died. Yeah. It's fucked. It's like, remember when they crash that spaceship in Revenge of the Sith? And it's like, boy, that looked hairy. This is, like, ten times worse. This thing is going end over end through the swamp.

And you're like, everyone's just dead. Yeah. And remember, like, they're not, like, in armor at this point. They're not, they don't, like, they don't get out of the ship and send this thing down. They don't do the thing of, like, setting it to self-destruct, you know, and stepping over. They just, they just, they could have died. They didn't. It's fine.

They're fine. And they walk into a town. Do you think that Obi-Wan is like, well, that's one way to not assassinate somebody, dying at this ship crash? Yeah, I guess so. Dude would just stun him at all his competitors were like, wiped out in a freak spaceship accident. I thought it was like,

I thought it was Obi-Wan's intention to crash the ship so that to further play into the character and being like, now they can't track us because this bog is going to swallow the ship or whatever. Right. Totally. It just seems like there's other ways to do that.

Like hiding the ship. You know, like they just didn't, need to, they... I think Obi-Woners just having fun and going like, woo! Yeah, I think that's more likely. I love this little... Go ahead.

Well, no, you go. Because, like, he has Republic credits this entire time, which is something we should bring up later, because, like, later on Cadvade is like, well, how did you just buy a second ship? And, like, to the point that he's just bad at this, like, him being so under, but not, like, not behaving, like, Obi-Wan is such a problem.

Yeah. And continues to be a problem. Anyway, going. One of the, I was just saying, I love this little town that they go to on Alhada. There's like a big neon sign out front of the town, like, built into some like big giant tree trunks that are like all, you know, mingled and wrapped around each other. And it's like, it's that, it's that exact size of a city where it's like just big enough that you, that'll have a used spaceship dealership, but not so big that it'll have a new spaceship dealership, you know what I mean? and I like all these sequences of them needing to try to sneak past the hut

guards so that they can go get clothes from like the Army Navy store effectively like they all go into this place and find like stuff that's close enough to what they need Obi-Wan gets this wild-ass helmet that is actually one of the unused Boba-Fet helmet

designs Cody's colors, which is fun. It's like it has the orange stripe that Cody has. You know, apparently the armor that Evol gets is the same armor that like the snow troopers, the imperial snowtroopers on Hawthware, also with Dengar wears, that like that's the same armor piece. And then of course, Cadbane gets sort of his normal outfit, but with a hat. I almost spoiled something from the beginning of episode three. There's a moment in episode three where he changes his hat in this arc.

That's the next episode, right? Yeah, that's the, yeah. He has the hat that he finds here through this entire episode. And the next episode, when he's changed the hat, I was like, I got to stop watching this episode. Because that's a fun beat, and I want that energy. But yeah, he gets a little hat here, and they are mean to the guy who runs the shop, who is yet again, this is our second time, Clone Wars has gone to the Peter Laurie, a Peter Laurie impression.

The guy who runs this place is again doing Peter Lori from Waltese Falcon, which is a strange decision to make. And this isn't the same what are, not Rodian? Rodian, yeah, this isn't the same Rodian.

Grito was the one that made out with the chick. the last time Yeah, that was Grito I think Grito was in jail I thought we saw Grito in jail But maybe that's just me I thought that was Grito in jail too But this guy's Pablo

This is Pablo And Pablo has a Twilic wife Not a Or Twilic wife Not a Was that a Twilac that Grito was Huckin up with? Maybe it was

Or was it the horn Oh I don't remember I don't remember now Well But She goes to bat for for Pablo. She did not

appreciate how they disrespected him, and I respect her for respect him. I respect her for not taking Obi-Wants money. She slapped that Republic credit out of his hand. And like, stop throwing around Republic credits. What's going on, man? We don't use that here. And also, you're

offending my husband, get out of my store. That's right. Allie's fuck her up. And again, we just get... The next to respecter is logged on. Lots of CAD Obi-Wan beef throughout this. That's great. Very juicy. Big fan.

Oh, I was speaking of Star Wars morsels, but like the real licking the rapper of Obi-Wan having a Mandalorian helmet and like being like, I'm on this planet and I'm not myself and my girlfriend was just at my funeral. What am I thinking about this? I want to see Obi-Wad's journal while he's doing it. Oh my God. Yeah, the Mandalorian helmet. Yep. Love it. first of my heart baby I might be undercover

that's where my love for you has to live too wow I love it yeah and then I love this Bith used spaceship salesman

and speeder salesman they go to a used car lot it is just a used car lot this Star Wars has never felt more like a film noir to me than three undercover criminals

two two criminals an undercover cop pretending to be a criminal rolling into a used car dealership it's the best this is this is 16 year old Austin didn't know he loved film noir yet and crime movies and crime stories

but he knew that the best part of Star Wars was this shit and so I'm living through this stuff this is just so exciting to me to see Obi-Wan be like we have to buy a we have to buy a car that way we don't get the cops on our tail

this time and uh... Bain and And Evol being just like, all right, fine. And then what happens? The pawn shop guy rolls up with the cops. Yeah, so, yeah. Like, they get their weapons while Obi-Wan buys them a ship. And they didn't get weapons for Obi-1.

They got weapons for themselves that could ditch Obi-Wan and take the ship. And as he's like, hey, I'm coming with you, CAD-like pepper sprays. him or whatever. Oh, right. He catches him with the green gas. He farts in his face. Oldest trick in the book. Oldest trick in the book.

And Obi-Wan's like, and falls backwards out of like the gantry. And yeah, then the pawn shop owner is there with like the Nalhuda cops who immediately like bust him. And they fly off. But then, oh, God, what is it? How does he put, how does he put the cops? He had already put a tracking device on the ship.

As soon as he bought the ship, he put a little tracker on it. And so he tells the cops, which are like, it's two Gimorians and another dude who I don't remember the name of that species. Big motherfucker with a staff who were beating the crap out of Obi-Wan. And Obi-Wan is like, I can tell you where the guys are. Those are the guys you really want. They betrayed me. I put a tracker on the ship. Let me down and I'll show you how to get to them.

And that's how they get there. Right, right, right Meanwhile, Duku is yelling at Moralo because of him being late to the rendezvous Which we don't still know anything about what the murder plan is here At this point We just know he's supposed to get there Allie's laughing about some stuff that I don't know about

Which is great We know that they're supposed to go to Serrano Duku's home planet Which calls some things to question about The Great Lex Bon Terry plan last episode Of being like, I now know where Duku is yeah motherfucker at home count of where

count of Serrano he's on Serrano that's not hard he's in the castle also I don't think Death Watch is gonna take Serrano no zero chance like if Dugu's on like a small base somewhere they might try yeah they are dumb enough to try

these guys aren't shit let's get them just kick their red fucking asses they just like get completely burked But, like, not even, like, the good droids with, like, the Skeletor faces. Yeah. But, like... Just regular-ass battle droids. Yeah.

But, yeah, so, yeah, Obi-Wan escapes, like, the torture thing. But then calls in, he's, like, the heat's too high, basically. He calls in to Yoda and Ace, like, you guys got to cancel the bounty so we can actually, like, do the part where we hook up with Duku. And this is, so we flash back. So then we cut. over to uh well like so uh his plot does work like they've lost their ship and so now they're dependent on him and the new ship he's bought he's like yeah i turned into bounty uh etc and uh use the money on a new ship uh but this is where mace window has to go to man mace window is like

gravitational uh how you want to it is yeah uh-huh mace window goes to palpatine and it's like you You've got to call off the search for the bounty hunter that killed Obi-One. You have to let these folks go and the people who escape this prison. And Palpatine is uneasy about the situation and immediately, yeah, Austin, to your point, now Anakin is his way back into this plot because he doesn't know what the Jedi are up to. and so he plays on Anakin's anger and his uncertainty knowing that there's something going on that he's not a part of and Palpatine tells him like hey like you know the trail right now goes to Nalhuda so if you get out there you know you can you can get on the trail of uh the guy

who killed Obi-Wan and this is like you know this is the only card he has to play which is can't like Anakin will let me know what's going on Anakin will now be part of this and it does it does work out like Anakin does become like part and parcel it would appear like this

plot by the end but he starts flying out there and boy if you hadn't gotten your fill last time of Anakin walking into bars and like beating people up and choking them there's gonna be a lot more of that once he gets to Nal Hada

oh yeah true Do we think that Mace knew that Anakin was in the room for that call? Because Mace is facing, Palpatine's sitting at his desk and Mace is facing him. And Anacin's on the other side of the desk. Like, it feels like he's like listening into this conversation. Yeah, I don't think he does because he's not in the hollow back. Do you know what I mean?

Like, he's not visible. Like, does he know that Anakin's over at Palpatine's house? Like, I may be. I don't think so. Because I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think Mace would want, Mace and Yoda would want Anakin to know that they're asking for the bounty of Obi-Want's killer to be taken off. Like that, even if Anakin, even in the justification of it's for, it's to get to the bottom of this plot against.

you, I don't think Anakin would accept that justification. Like, Anikin's like, this man is on the loose. Even without Palpatine saying, you should go find him. Like, this is the only way that you can protect me. You should go find him. I think Aniken leaves that room, knowing that the bounty's been called off and goes and does a little business on his own. Yeah, I agree with this.

And, again, I really love this little conversation between the two of them. the thing of Palpatine saying like hey your your feelings are what make you special you know it's it's okay to be angry at the loss of your best friend you can't deny those feelings you know that's that's your Anakin they don't trust you to control your feelings right exactly can't deny them stop this plot um-huh go to now hudda I heard that they're on now hudda that's what I heard anyway uh and so he he goes there and he's he's doing the whole like Like, where's where's

Obi-Wan's killer? Ouch. Yeah, he not only chokes somebody, but he walks in and force grabs the axe from one of the guards and flings it across the room and almost hits someone completely

uninvolved with this, who, by the way, is standing next to a poster that is a picture of Sibulba, the Podracer, the great pod racer, which apparently says that Subbubba will be signing autographs on Sunday at 10 a.m. That's amazing.

That is so funny. So good. And then, yeah, he chokes this dude. He chokes this Thorian, which, Rob, do you remember in the Boba Fett episode? I think you said, the book of Boba Fett thing, you talked about the authoritarian mayor of the town and how much you loved the fact that they had on a translating device, the vocalizer, basically. This is where it's from. It comes from this.

this, originally, because when they wrote the scene, it was not an authoritarian. And then afterwards, they were like, oh, this could be more Star Wars. This, yeah, so in this script, the saloon bartender was only identified as an alien. Bosco Ing wanted to use an authoritarian in the role, but that created a complication in that the authorians are not depicted speaking English. Quote, rather than reshoot the scene, I designed a translator which the authoritarian wears, says Faloni. And the final sound design, you can actually hear the authoritarian dialogue in its native tongue underneath the device's translation. So that's really cool. Nice shout-outs to Faloni

inventing new pieces of technology. And I do, and I do prefer that angle on it because the thing is, Star Wars alien languages are a lot like the racist impressions people do of other people's languages when they don't actually understand, when they just hear sounds, they don't understand even the parts of words. Yes. Like Star Wars were, like Star Wars alien languages are various like forms of like grunts and like, that's what it is.

Uh-huh. And they don't. And everyone pretends like I understand that obvious really real language and not just like a sound file that we're playing again and again and describing different meanings too. And so like this is not this does not exist the way the Tolkien languages exist or the way Klingon exists where there is some someone sat down and was like I'm going to figure out a basic grammatical and syntactical structure

of how this language works and then like some sort of rules about about the words and stuff like that that's not how these work So you can make it clear that like they are like fully individualized people with emotions right now there's just twilight

with a chaka over and over again and us being like yeah okay uh so and so that's why I do prefer like when you've got the like uh they're using their universal translator to be like

no he's just a shitty guy who's like hey man I don't want nothing to do with this and it's like I have sympathy for you with Orion yeah I also would not want anything to do with this shit I'm just trying to run my bar in this weird theme park vibe now Huda

that we it's a weird planet it's the most Lucas text adventure but like Lucas adventure yeah vibes like tell me that you can't see, like, the full-throttle characters, like, rolling through this.

It's like, yeah. I'm going to solve a puzzle here for sure. Oh, Ben. I have to combine his stuff. Oh, he's being Ben. Oh, okay. A little shout out to full throttle. Perhaps.

We did skip a very important thing, which is that size snoodles showed up. Very true. I was... I was... Yes, Queenie Slice Noodles. No, she's on her way to the next bar. She is, they are bar hopping.

She's got two honey. She got two hunts. And they are out for the night. Yes. She's thriving. She's thriving. She says she loves them. What does she say?

She says like, she's like, not where are we going next. I forget exactly what she says, but it's great. She's very clear being held up by them. Oh, she literally says, hey, ladies, where are we going next? Farm around two Twilex. Queen. I love it. See, this is what happens once you kill your deadbeat boyfriend.

Yep. Uh-huh. You thrive. You thrive. That's what happens. This is, see, implied in the background? Yes. The sequel to Thelma and Louise, we should have gotten.

That's right, right there. This is the sort of franchise crossover stuff I actually love, is slice and noodles did not become an important part of this arc, but she happens to be passing in the background here, and we get to go, we get to point at the screen and go, yo. Yeah. Usually I hate that. We do. I was just talking to somebody about Ed Brubaker's, uh,

criminal uh series the comic series which does this sort of stuff all the time and it rules big big fan of that uh anyway real question about the sequence yeah they're really good why does the so can not say yes 100% why does esoter not say shit about anakin choking this rando i she's she's had a long month like she's had a long season is what i'm gonna say God-beheaded people. You're right. I, and it's, it's something that I keep thinking about Asoka,

because we've talked about it pretty much in the slave arc, but like just the like workplace dynamics of like having another manager say to you, you were responsible for the person above you's feelings and like how much she's probably internalizing that. And back to what Rob was saying about like, I can act one way and it can one way about around everyone else. like I maybe this is a time where she's like you know Anakin's gonna do his right now and we're gonna get to the bottom of this and then we're gonna get to the next mission and I I'm gonna deal with that one

the way that I decided to deal with that one it's hard to blow the whistle on people like it's hard to blow the whistle on your friends like it is like this is a major issue when we see Asoka like living it where she's like you know what that was a little over the line it happens a lot but I'm to keep letting it slide because it's not going to get worse than this and like obviously I see the worst stuff than Anakin does and he's still good Jedi. Hey, Obi-Wan

just died. It's kind of him slag. You know? And also I'm not even sure these people don't deserve it. Like, I'm kind of in here being like, you know, I mean it's a bar on Nowhuda where like the Jedi killers just like pass through

yeah. I mean, if her to tabby and dating four people is the start of her not saying don't kill this person anymore than shout-outs to Assoca. We finally found her breaking point and we don't have to worry about it ever again. Yeah.

So, the gas station scam. Very funny that the replacement ship they buy, yeah, they are primed to run out of gas right as they pass by this gas station that the guy owns. But yes, they are now flying around in a space yacht.

It's got like, it looks that combination like boat boat like water vessel but also like modern jetliner

nose uh in some ways the combination like it's like combination passenger airliner and boat so this is the luxury 3,000 space yacht

and it's it's based on an expanded universe ship the lady luck the lady luck a hundred percent Landau Calrissian's space yacht The difference, the only

difference, according to this is that this ship does not have a hot tub Damn I wish it did Harden and Cadbean could have worked it out If only We'll be in the back You just gotta spend some time together

As fellas, right? Just go out with the fellas Get that muscles relaxed Two dudes sitting in a hot tub That's what I'm saying chilling you get away for this whole ship to get re to get all gassed up again just like i'll be in the back yeah let's you know what like let's set up a little like on our way to strano let's pick up a couple sexers this is what i'm saying yeah we're already late yeah exactly would you be

late and also in a bad mood no yeah late and be at your best let's get in the hot tub we should talk about the scam because it's so funny the ship dealer sold them the ship with only enough gas to get to the nearest refueling station, which, by the way, is run by his brother. And he does that presumably with all of the cars or all of the spaceships that he sells. Is he modifying the little, like, meter to be like... Oh, yeah, it's a full tank. Yeah.

Maybe. Oh, and then it just instantly drops. And then it just drops. Yeah, there's like a little bit of sticky stuff. on it to keep it up at the top and if you like tap it a little bit it drops um that's so good and also we do we do get a mace and palpatine scene where mace calls rex to be like where is anakin and rex is like uh i don't know he's not here he's not answering our calls he's unavailable he's unavailable and mace is like you got to tell me where he is and palpatine walks

out of the his apartment or whatever his his office and that's where palpatine and mace end up talking about why the fuck he's on now hudda um and uh i love this little bit of this little bit of sparring which again starts to hint at a wedge being put in between the palpatine and the council big fan it's very good well and the fact that now he has to sort of bring out more into the open, that he views Anakin as like his Jedi. Yeah, totally. Like, before it was a real, like, again,

in the theme of, this is a guy who is, like, placing lots of different bets, he's cultivating Anakin. Doesn't know for what yet. But, like, now unfortunately does have to reveal that, like, yes, Aniken and I are having side channel conversations around you. I'm sending Anakin places.

Right. And that's going to change now how the council treats Anakin. Now they are aware that, like now he's kind of in the middle between these two like mentor figures camps well and I love that this being where that sort of comes to the surface and starts to really happen does not leave the Jedi hands clean in the matter they have taken a big bad swing on a plan that that I think Anakin can be rightfully upset about even if Obi-Wan is in on it and and was like a decider in it And Anakin's feelings about being left out by this and his anger being used as a tool, a performative tool, are all feelings that are like, that all makes sense to me.

And it, you know, it really implicates the Jedi in the wedge between themselves and Anakin in a way that, like, it isn't as simple as Anakin got mad at the Jedi and thought he should be able to go do a thing that they didn't want him to do. Like, they're afraid of him getting involved for certain reasons. and so they leave him out of it but they want him involved in other ways in certain ways because it helps seal the deal and I love the messiness of this instead of it being just like he didn't get

duped by Palpatine here this is not Anakin being you know dark hymbo mode it is literally him caring about his friend wanting justice and feeling like he is missing something and Palpatine encouraging him to investigate it in a way that makes perfect sense

And so I really love that the heart of where that sort of, you know, Anakin is Palpatine's Jedi stuff is totally justifiable in a way that, you know, another version of the story might have, Preventure the Sith did not make it seem clear why, how Anakin would have gotten tighter with Palpatine. It was just kind of left and hand waved just being like, well, you know, we've always known that they were going to be, that Palpatine was going to be a sort of mentor figure to him. but really seeing it here to help sell it long term. Yeah. The little chase they have at the gas station is cool. It is a really intense like space battle that they have

that culminates in, again, like some real good ship crashes in these episodes. We have another gnarly crash landing here where Anakin eventually just smash. into the yacht and sends it like cartwheeling along those uh along those like pipelines uh that's like oh god the the part where he and bane are like fighting on the aircraft yeah yeah this feels like a boat chase in some ways it feels like a speedboat is chasing a yacht in in like the bay you know uh and the fact that, like, it's a small detail, but I love that he disables one of Bain's boot rockets.

And so the way Bain moves, the rest of the fight is changed. Bain has to, like, change the center of gravity so that he can get direct thrust, because now he's down to one. Like, it's a small thing, but I completely love the way that, like, the physics of how Bain moves changes once he's down a thruster. Yep, so cool. Yeah, they commit to actually taking that seriously. I love it.

It's good. But I think the crash is great. They crash into this, again, this whole planet is like the moon. Like, it's just dust and rocks. And then just the kind of oil pipelines or the fuel pipelines. And the crash kicks up so much dust that it's just them moving through the fog. And we get the showdown between Hardeen, Obi-Wan undercover, and Anakin in the mist. And Anakin knees, Obi-Wan.

In the nuts. Right in the balls. True. Honestly, Obi-Wan takes it like a champ. He must have a cup on. He must. I don't know.

Because he's up pretty quick. That's like Jedi meditation strategy. Some sort of like you just breathe through it and you're good. Bro, I don't know. But I just like we like the we've never seen like everyone's got fighting styles. like combat yeah form seven form three yeah

yeah we all know but Anakin pulls up so hard he's like you're gonna pay for what you did into the balls it's just it's so funny to me I just I was like what am I watching now

I don't know what show this is oh my god like so he eventually like subdues him and puts him in submission hold and like begins to choke him out but as he's doing it he's like stop chasing me. Yeah.

He says Anakin don't follow me. Yeah. He uses his name. And he's using the cadence, the Obi-Wan cadence. Mm-hmm. And then Anakin passes out

because he's doing like a chokeholds. He chokes about it. I thought he did a mind-trick thing. There may have been some mind-trickery, but there's definitely an arm bar across the wind pipes. Oh, I don't know. There's a shot I just want to mention here,

which is that there's a bit where Asoka is climbing up the like piping of the refinery and the pipe the you know the pipelines and just looks up at the cliff face where uh aniken is fighting hardine or no fighting bain uh and it just it just looks so good it's just such a great wide angle shot of the two of them dueling up in the up of the cliff i think this whole episode looks good but especially this last environment i love that we're in just good episode zone I, again, I've watched the first few minutes of this next one. I am very curious how you all feel about this, this middle stage of this arc, because the next one's real weird.

I'm excited. I know what it's called, and I had someone say that it was a love letter to the 1997 movie The Cube. It's called The Box. Yeah, and we'll talk about it next week. Everybody, thank you. Okay. I've not seen whatever the box is yet. And then after we're doing the next two, is that what we're doing? Yeah. So the box rises on Nabu. Okay. And then after that, the next week is 19-20. And then after that is 21-22. That's easy. No. No, I think we're doing the next arc altogether because we don't have to break it up weirdly, right? Is the next arc 19 through 22? Yeah. Ah, I see. It's a full, it's a full season for

Oh, my God. Yeah, uh-huh. What? They should spoiler these thumbnails. Goddial. Oh, what? I mean, you knew that was coming, right? Yeah, do you, Pallodi?

I guess. Stop talking about it. Floody keeps saying that it's happening. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. Fuck.

Well, anyway. Oh, my God. Uh-huh. On our next episode. So we're doing the box and crisis on Nebu and then I forget where we are

on the schedule. Like after that is the Patreon backer's get a Q&A on. Yeah, so they will get a Q&A on this arc, friend to need and the box and crisis on Nebu. If you want to hear that or just want to support the show, you can do so at patreon.com

slash civilized, not slash chivalized. I just want to quickly say, no one should look at any of the season five summaries either. I have not. I've looked at like, here's

the chunks of the episodes as they, we consider that. I'm like furious about the summary of one of them and that's fine. Got to be careful. Don't just please careful on Wikipedia folks. Yeah.

Will we do the same thing that we did at the beginning of this season where we say like the, what was the, what was the like tagline for this season oh that's a good idea yeah season oh yeah well last season was jellie secrets revealed that was secret revealed was last season yeah was season three and this one was like does this have one battle lines oh was that it was battle lines yeah that's what was marketed under that's a bad one but there's like more half thing we were about to see the lines yeah umber's a line

Yeah, Moncala's a line. Moncala is a line. I guess that makes sense. It's just more generic and boring. No, it is mad. I mean, to follow up with secrets revealed with battle lines as a little. I think that was my same reaction that I had when he first told me. It was like, oh, okay.

Whatever. Yeah, I'm curious with then. I guess someone has to look at it and then decide whether or not it's okay to share. with the next one you're saying I don't think the next one has an official one in the same way

but I am looking at an ad and the ad says who will fall so oh oh we have a good

idea of who it's it's Anakin no but I yeah I got a feeling

I might know sometimes I live in blissful state where I forget about it where I forget that that's coming and I'm like see okay I have been certain you're freak out over like discovering what a sage and a certain himbo get up to I was like I swear God we talked about we talked about that on a Patreon on the most recent Patreon episode I'll drop in just a very little clip of that for people to hear so they know the degree of Natalie's freak out, uh, right here.

I, I don't know how deep into the wukypity y'all have gotten with Quinlan before. But he does become Duku's apprentice. He does do what Krell fails to do. Yes, but isn't the, shut the fuck up. What? Yeah, there's like books we got to read. It's not in clone wars. It's not in clone wars.

Oh my God. It's books and comics, yeah. It's when he's like fucking venturous. It's that whole art. What? We did. I promise you we did. And you just deleted it.

We have not. I think because the sex and is of it overwhelmed you. Like, I think you were like, it was like looking at the sun. Because we talked about that book during the first time we spoke about her backstory. Like people emailed us to be like,

don't read it. No, no, no, no. Because it's bad. Is that a lot of people don't like this? What happens to her and it is apparently not good. Is dark death? But then I tweeted it and nobody, none of our followers were like, Natalie, you knew that. No, that's because everyone, like, it was in passing.

Who knows? It was in passing. And maybe you didn't, we didn't know Quinlan at the time that we. Yeah. We didn't like know Quinnlin. Right. Like biblically. We didn't know them yet.

So. This is my superpower. I can just forget things and then be displeasantly surprised and shocked every once in a while at the same information that I already knew. I would love it if after his been in prison, Obi-Wan starts, like, putting on all these, like, prison affacts and such. And, like, Obi-Wan, why do you always keep, like, a holdout gun? Why do you always keep a little, like, webbing up your sleeve? And he's, like, it's for a more chivalized age.

Hmm. No. You need to, yeah. Yeah, I love it. Anyway, until next time. My wish for his, the one thing I hope. that he would carry with him from going to prison would be the little, the sauce that, we didn't talk about the sauce moments. Oh, the jello, the jello, oh, wait, oh, it's so sara.

I think it's hot sauce. It's saracha, yeah, yeah, yeah. The hot sauce, the prison hot sauce that, that, uh, what's his fucking name? Evil, evil. Yeah, evil. It's the inner circle sauce. Yeah, it's like, take a little sauce. I hope. that that Obi-Wan keeps like a little mini-bottle he should have a bottle of it in the Obi-Wan show in the back of his like crib

Wow I hope he does we have such good ideas they should hire us yeah we've got can you imagine needing to work with us and then like you're Lucas's lawyers or whatever being like actually we can't use Saracha because it's a real thing

and we're like no fuck it just make it just put it in there like we couldn't like we couldn't come up with space saraja together and like have a better saragia back story like come on we'd be selling real we would be moving real product galaxy's edge would happen the fucking william sonoma star wars hot sauce that you could buy after we made our show would sell out yeah also i love their prison food is like jello molds with like the bits of food in it I'll make it savory. Savory, like, enriched jello is the prison food.

It's great. Anyway, until next time, please rate and review us, a podcast platform of choice. And, yeah, remember, don't leave Anakin out of things. It's just make sure Anakin knows what the score is. Honestly, you'll be glad you did.

Yes. True. I'm going to be able to be. We're going to be. I'm going to be able to be. We're going to be able to be. Thank you.