A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 36: Massacre and Bounty (Clone Wars 85-86)

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

As we head into the final arcs of Season 4, we finally reunite with long lost Sith(-leaning) assassin, Asajj Ventress. How's she been? Well, you know how things go. Lose your job and your social circle and you start looking for a new place. Make some new friends. Find a new mentor. Maybe reconnect with your hometown. Great ideas. Unless, of course, you're a walking target. NEXT TIME: Episodes 87-89 ("Brothers," "Revenge," and "Survival") You can support the show and gain access to a monthly Q&A cast by going to patreon.com/civilized Show Notes Deaths: All of the Nightsisters!!!!!!!!!!! Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)

Let us return once more. Yep, more. Let's return with more to more civilized age. Hey? I'm Rob Zakney, joined by Aliaqompor, Austin, Walker, and Natalie Watson, yeah. You're Canadian? I see. I see.

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And the last we checked in on Mother Talzin and Savaja Press, we learned that everything she had put in motion with Assange Ventris, as a revenge plot against Count Ducco was, in fact, a step in a larger plan based on finding Darth Maul and uniting him with Savage. Tonight, we got a look at the second stage of that plan, and to offer a quote from George Lucas's unfilmed Apocalypse Now, any method at all, I see not. So, we had discussed handling these final four episodes of season four as a quartet, but a slightly odd structure to the start of season five

and in my opinion, thinner than expected connective tissue between the two halves of this closing arc caused us to shuffle the schedule around a little bit. So tonight we're just going to cover these two more esage-focused stories, starting with Massacre in case you were wondering

how things are going to go for the Knight Sisters. They really spoil it by naming the episode of this, huh? Well, I mean, well, it might have been a massacre against this show does not have the There will never be a droid massacre in Star Wars because droids aren't people. That's true.

You're absolutely right. What if Grievous was there and he was like, no. He's got four-in-arms. You kill him. That's a massacre. My boys. He does never, he's the one killing his own droids most of the time. That's true.

It would be his epic change of heart. That'd be really good. We're not so different, you and I. We're not so different you, but. So Was that grievous or COVID Batman? So this episode picks up roughly where the oppress arc left off

with a beaten and demoralized ventress returning to death mare. They take her in and celebrate the fact that she now has no other ties binding her beyond the Knights Sisters. But Duku is out for revenge and launches a massive assault on the planet to wipe out Assange's new family.

family. The rest of the episode is mostly a doomed last stand story with two significant beats, really, by my count. First, Ventris and Grievous fight a duel where Grievous gets the worst of it and immediately betrays the terms of the duel and continues with the aforementioned massacre. Second, Mother Talzin has apparently had the ability to put a curse spell on Duku ever since he last visited. She busts it out to try and get him to try and cease his assault. but instead Grievous carves his way to the chamber where Talzin cast the spell and breaks it before Duke who can die from it.

The Knight Sisters are all wiped out and Talzin well you all have to explain to me at the end of this entire arc maybe the end of season four what we think Talzin's relationship status with corporeal existence actually is but that's Massacre

so what do we want to dig into first here? I just want to say I think it's absurd it's been a whole season since this plot line happened or like started and like we we were so excited about this arc a year ago i'm not dissing this arc at this point to be clear but we were so excited to see like who where's this savaggio press and the sage ventris arc going to go and then we had to sit through like the moncala arc we just sit through the fucking cat slavers like can you imagine releasing something

that has the heat of the savaggio press arc and like the ducu ventress split and then for real making people wait a year to see them to pick it up. And I think this massacre would have hit completely differently if it had immediately followed. But now it's like, all right, we're getting back to it. And it doesn't have been audience. And it's over. Yeah. They should have done this at the time.

Or if, like, I don't know, there had been any sort of check-in throughout the season itself of, like, what's up with Ventras, what's up with, like, anything just reminding us that this is in the vicinity would have been great. But instead, this episode, I was so pissed that this was one of those, it all happens and it all ends within one episode for this specific plot line. Why is this not as long as Moncala? Like, open with this, open this season with this, but it's two or three episodes. And then we can still close with the stuff that ends up happening.

I guess I'll say outright that I watched the next two episodes. It's part of how we decided to not cover those today. But to close with that half of what's going to come, like those following episodes are Simaja Press arc. And so, like, I think you had room for both of those things. And then put the second one of these episodes, the Ventures episode we're going to talk about after this one, in the middle of the season somewhere.

Let's get that sense that she has, like, an arc from... When did we last see her this season? have we seen she hasn't been in the season no wonder the show's been so mixed I haven't gotten to see bay like yeah that's my like structural production feeling about it is we should have been here sooner yeah I it the hype kind of died down for me for sure by the time I got here I was like it was it was very strong at the beginning of this episode but as soon as I realized that it was a doomed doomed last stand it just felt very disappointing like we just got here

we just got to the point of like ventress with her girls with her mom like I was like okay we're going to explore some night sister force magic we're going to spend like a little let's see what's going on with the

with the dudes in the town like let's see what's up them. I don't know. I just wanted to spend some time here. And to have this be so open and closed within one episode was just it was such a buzzkill.

Yeah. And I think like there's things obviously that you feel they could have lingered over and that would have been interesting story beats like the fact that it clearly does they know, the people making the show know that this is an enormously

significant thing for Ventress who entire character is defined in many ways by trying to construct some sort of durable like surrogate family based on loyalty and service around herself and so to have it open with her kind of unmoored now completely from both ducu and the revenge that it's sort of been giving her purpose but then finding new purpose as a member of the sisterhood that's an interesting like plot thread to pick up it's immediately discarded effectively it amounts to a campfire scene and then we're into the end game.

And I think, you know, Natalie brought up the village where, like, the men of Dathamere live. And, like, I think there's, this would have, this could have been really satisfyingly tragic, even if Talzin kind of had this coming. If there was an arc of, like, her kind of trying to rattle the cage that she's been sort of, like, trapped in here, trying to figure her way out of this jam. and discovering that like there just aren't like they have no friends like their power have made some mortal enemies

something to sort of like locate them in a place and like have relationships in this setting and none of that is really here it really is like they are just in the path

of a droid steamroller and nothing really pays off a lot of the setup that's been done around the Knight Sisters or the set of of Dathamir.

It feels so much like they had a place they were on adventures to get to by the end of this season. And they're going to get her there, no matter the cost. And unfortunately, that place would have been better if... Rob, we did a series for Waypoint called Waypoint. What was our... What's the rewatch podcast called? Be good and rewatch it.

do we never rename that that stayed we never quite got around to it no weird um we did the ava podcasts there and in one of the eva films the fourth one there's this great sequence in the middle of that movie where the principal characters are in this other setting that is quiet and domestic and there's space for a certain sort of like self-exploration and expression uh and it really situates everything everything in the entire series but especially everything that comes after after it, having that space allows for certain maneuvers to be made. And it would have been really great to have something, maybe not as peaceful as that. I don't think that the Knights Sisters of Dathimir are as pastoral, live pastoral lives in the same ways.

I don't know, they're out here with bows and arrows with magic bows and arrows and doing rituals. I mean, you talk about the campfire thing. My big note on this episode is who would win in a fight General Grevis's entire droid army or 12 white. girls doing psychedelics in the woods. But, like, we didn't get enough of 12 white girls doing psychedelics in the woods. We did not. We get the, like, ritual. One of the first beats here is that she does this big ritual to become what Talzin

calls a true knight sister. She goes through the paces, right? Like, the thing that we know about ventrists is she didn't get to be part of this culture in a real way as a child. She was taken from here early enough that she didn't get to go through the rituals of adulthood of like joining the knight sisters in a real way and she didn't really get that after she came back uh during the last arc here either and so i'm totally with you that both of you that like a longer arc here where we get to see what daily life is like actually betters their end

goal of ripping her from this place and giving her in that sense of like i cannot fucking believe it i had a jenni master and i got pulled away from him i had a sith master and he betrayed me and and now i can't come home and i can't have this either it's like so much stronger if I know what this is. And I just don't get it. And I don't know why she I know why she cares on paper, but like I want to feel it

a little bit more. I want to see what that life would have been like for her here. And they needed more time on the on the mat for it. I think they gesture towards it with the one named Knight's sister whose name I don't remember. You don't say.

She didn't do it for you. She wasn't like. a deep character that you attach to? Oh, no, wait. I did write it down because he said, okay, Karris is already dead, great. So I did make that note. So Karris, the one night sister who, like,

I think it's like post-ritual or something, they're sitting around the happy campfire. This is the crumbiest crumb I've ever, like, we've ever discussed here. It is. It is absolutely just, it's stale, stale, stale, bread um but she likes uh kind of there there's like a shared moment of of camaraderie where she's

like welcome sister or something like that she i don't remember exactly but that's i'm really happier here yeah that's that's the most that they were going to give us of um that familial bond that ventress has been chasing and we get we get more we've gotten more more more in other places I'm thinking mostly in, like, Dukyu Jedi lost. Jedi lost, yeah. But it's so shitty that they used that and then immediately made her, like, the dramatic death in the fight, in the battle. And it was like, that was supposed to be Ventress's, like, look down at your fallen sister and, like, you look up and with the vengeance renewed. And, like, now you're going to really go for it.

And like, it just, it all comes, all the fury comes rushing back in or whatever. And it was just like the most unearned shit ever because she just got here. She hasn't even been here her whole life. She doesn't know any of these people yet. And yet they want to sell to us that like once you're in the sisterhood, you die for the sisterhood. And like that dynamic is really fascinating, but you have to just do something to earn it. It was also surprising that none of the Zabrax, they didn't recruit any Zabrax in this battle either, just from like a logistical standpoint.

They'd at least try, right? Yeah, like, you would have thought that there would have been like a call for some of them to come through and help out. I mean, I'm glad. They should have left. Why didn't they just leave for a little bit? No offense. Why didn't they just leave? Why did they just leave?

Yeah. I mean, that's the thing that stood out to me too. Like, the first thing of being like, ventures coming to this place and the ask immediately being like, yeah, you can be loyal to yourself so long as you're also loyal to us. Like, that could have been addressed. That could have been looked into. And like, we didn't get anything new from the Knight Sisters. Like, we saw the cool ritual, but it wasn't that different from the one that they gave Savage before. This one felt like a fraternity pledge night, honestly. Having seen some real night sister magic unfold, I was like, this one doesn't feel like. I'm like, are they, is she even a real knight sister at this point? Or is this kind of like the knockoff, like, party store version of the ritual? I do, I do have to give her credit, though. She did look bad walking into that.

little goop like she served she ate she gave everything we needed her to give and i appreciate ventures for that personally for me just saying how do you how does it compare to uh grievous doing his best uh his best runway walk towards uh duku to get the mission to go kill everybody um in the serrano throne room thing duke's big green office my my favorite my favorite part of that interaction was what I was trying to reference earlier when he kneels in front of him and just does the goofiest fucking you summoned me my lord like just like the most just I don't even know how to describe it but I it stopped me in my tracks I was like I've never heard grievous sound so snively and just like just bleh like just bleh it It was a low point for me in my grievous stendom, personally. Damn. I'm sorry.

But he made it up when he started throwing those lightsabers around. I like to see what you do that. Yeah, that's true. But this is the most we've seen him at his, like, I'm struggling with being a middle sibling, right? Yes. Like, the immediate, like, oh, I, Duke who gave you a mission to go kill Ventris. And then he's spending the time, like, brooding in his ship, waiting for Ventress to hit the battlefield. Like shoutouts?

Yeah. He's like, I'm not coming out for y'all. Who are y'all? Y'all don't got names? Karris, who's Karris? Karris, by the way, was one of the ones who went with, who did go adventurists to try to kill Duku in that first episode. Oh, shout outs. We just don't remember because of how she isn't a character.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except on Star Wars, wukipedia.com. That's where she's a character. That's where she is. Yeah. Uh-huh. Um, I also think it's just funny how big the fucking fleet is. that rolls out to do this.

This is one of the biggest fleets we've seen the separatists use. Well, this one they care about. Apparently, right. They want to win. They're going to win. This is, sure. This is, like, the strategic objective here,

not shit stirring. And so you see how Duku, like, runs the op. That's very funny to think about that in terms of grievous looking at, like, what he's allowed to bring with him. Like, I imagine almost like a Crusader Kings or, like, a paradox game where normally like he's like okay well what fleet how much of the federation's fleet can i bring and duke was like oh i'm sorry but you can only use one one hundredth of our total strength you're like all right i'm gonna make it work like all right i only got eight frigates but i guess i'll

come through i'll see what i can do and for some reason grieve was just looking down at like the negotiation screen on the four x game and it being like it says i can use 80 ships dude why can i use 80 it is 12 white girls in the woods like what do i really get all this and duke was like yes my son absolutely you need this our CB is very strong yes and like to be fair

the other thing we do learn is they know magic but Ventriss doesn't get to do anything and she did a whole ass ritual for it though no she didn't go to school she didn't take classes that was orientation you know what I mean

but what did the ritual do what did she get I don't get it Sisterhood. She counts now. It wasn't a spell. It was going... She hit the fucking beer bong. That's what, like, Rob is right.

It's 100% it was a hazing ritual, not a... And then they're out in the woods having, like, camp time. Because that's what you do after you pledge. You party. You party. They're partying. Yeah, they were partying. They shouldn't have been.

They should have been, they should have been, like, all right, and now we need to do. to go on a big family road trip to separate undisclosed locations we can never see each other again for 20 years at least exactly i think maybe you think about that ritual's like was it opening her magical pores you know what i mean oh like she could exactly like now she can do magic she just didn't have the specific training right you know what i mean i mean i figure yourself i figured she we would get like a little like she's playing with her hands or something and some green force magic is, you know, just a little, just a little tiny bit of something. You got a, you got to, you know, we didn't see her consider a single orb.

You know what I mean? It's true. She did not ponder. So she ain't there yet. But like, if this was going to be her defense of the night sisters, she should have had the internal magic within her. No, what she had was light super. Yes, it's, what is the force? But, like, I just watch.

Because they do shit. I just watched Force Awakens two nights ago, and... What's that? It's a movie where there is a girl named Ray, and she does some force shit without anybody telling her how to do that shit. Uh-oh, who's her grandpa? Chief Palpatine. Oh, I see. It's about who's in your blood, obviously.

That's how Star Wars works. It's how many midi chlorines you have and who your grandpa is. And so it's very important for her. We don't know Vettius' grandpa. Yeah. That's true. Her mom is Towson. I don't know it's her actual mom.

She's Mother Towson. I don't know. She ain't push out all them babies. I don't know. I can see it. Anyway, I'm just upset that there wasn't some point in this fight where she was able to use the power of friendship against grievous at all,

even if she's still lost. Yeah. She needs to play of the game. That's what she needed. I will say despite the fact that like the name, the name on the sign is

Night Sisters, I'd not think their powers run on friendship or sisterhood. No, we learned what that runs on. Yeah. Like, I think, I think they got the magic force defense.

that, like, they're entitled to, which is powerful dark magic that is, like, really spooky and scary, and then necromancy. It's necromancy, yeah. What they're sisters to is death. They're sisters to the undead. Halfway through this episode, Towson breaks the emergency undead army button, and we move from being in some creepy. They keep a crone on ice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

inside of the ice they melt the ice down and inside is just one of the crones from Macbeth ready to go to work and they a thing that I really like a detail really like

is like they're in a bunch of creepy woods and have like really like hands shaped fingery you know spindly trees and then it turns out their graveyard is just the same except made of bones and where the trees have big

weird like plant sacks there are just corpse sacks on the the bone trees and the corpse acts are filled with corpses that wake up and go to work. We do find that out. Okay, I just

realize something even more annoying about the Karas death is that she gets killed by a statue falling on her. It's so funny. It's so funny. It's fucking Looney Tunes. She doesn't even die

like taking a bullet for Ventress. Like that would have been the way if you're going to give us this shitty intro, outro, at least let her jump in front of a fucking lightsaber for Ventris.

Hey, Dack got big steppied. Like, that's just how it goes in Star Wars sometimes. It's true. It's true. Maybe we as an audience are supposed to be experiencing

Ventriss's, like, excitement about being accepted into a civilization of being like, Oh, no, this isn't helping me. This doesn't matter. Being rookie, it's, it's getting like the Heisman trophy in football and then being drafted by a trash team and be like, y'all niggins ain't shit.

Like, I got to go, I was doing good in college. This is getting drafted by the Knicks and be like, all right. Well, I like New York, I guess, but the Knicks are trash. Nicks are not trash anymore. They're all right. But five years ago. Anyway, I got to be careful. I live in New York.

I know Knicks fans. I'm looking at my window. Talked about how you'll be with the lottery. Anyway. But no, that could be an alley. There is like a degree. I mean, I think what they're going for really is that sense of like, oh, I had this possibility. I could have joined with this group.

And now I can't because they're all dead except my mom. Not actually my mom. I looked it up, by the way. There's a different character named DeSage Ventures' mother. We saw her in a flashback. Yeah, the one of the previous episode. Handing the baby over. Oh, true, true.

Um, uh, but, uh, I do think that's what they want from us to, like, a lesser version of the jokey thing you just said of like, oh, I didn't get to actually get to know any of these people. There are all these secrets I don't have access to. Um, and they're gone now, but, but the other side of it is it just makes them look so small fry in the, like, like the thing that really, it's supposed to be awesome. And for a split second, it almost was. But the whole thing, like, summon our dead sisters. the, and like, it's, it's time, you know? And I was like, all right, this is going to be cool. Like, the zombie army's coming at you. Man, the Knight's Sisters has always been like a dozen people. You can go back, like, you got generations of like a dozen people at a time to, like, their zombie army is like a hundred people, a hundred zombies.

And that's it. And that's it. And they're like mindless zombies. Like, it almost would have been cooler if they were, Night Sisters who got brought back. I thought Karris was going to wake up. That's what, you know what I mean? Like, this is what I'm saying.

It's like, what if they were, Rob, was, Rob, did it go down the wrong pipe? Are you okay, buddy? Natalie just wants to know, what is Karris going to do something? Natalie, there's three more seasons of this. You know, who knows? Maybe the final page of Karris' story is as yet unwritten. Oh, my God. Maybe you could write it, Natalie.

Revive Karris, A.U. When. Um, yeah, but I think that, that, the thing there is, like, imagine if they come back and they are like, they have their minds and they are, they are not just like zombies, but are like risen immoral night sisters, but they can only be around for a day or they can only be around for an hour or whatever. That would have been sick as shit, you know, and would have sold better because part of what happens here is they're like, okay, yeah, they can raise undead zombies. Like, what fantasy RTS game hasn't had this ability? There's nothing new here, you know? Yeah. Um, and it's like, it's that end of voodoo doll?

Is that really what we got, you know? Duku's helplessness in the face of this form of the force is something. Like, the voodoo all shit was corny. The fact that he is being, like, he's shook. He is in more agony than we will ever see him in a Star Wars thing ever. This is worse than his death that he gets against Anakin. Like, he dies a thousand deaths over the course of this episode. And it's really cool.

It is like, wow, Mother Towson was keeping some, like, power. in her back pocket but again it does raise the question what did you think you were doing here because this is like the thing looming over all of this is like did you just not understand the weight class that like the separatist army represents that this is not just and maybe this is maybe this is something to offer up is mother telson just like deeply parochial and sees everything through the lens like like a lot of our like force wielding protagonists do as weird inside baseball force shit um that the one wider galaxy doesn't really apply to, that, like, she's like, hey, ha, ha, now it's time to work

out my shit with the Sith, um, overlooking the fact that, like, Duku is basically a space emperor at this point. But from the point of view of characters, like Sheave, like Duku, like Yoda, it's all force business. Right. I, the thing that's interesting is, I mean, I think that you're right. I would like to know if you're right. Right now, leaving this arc, even just this two-episode arc, it's not clear if Towson has bigger plans. Because, like, it's very easy to ask, why didn't she just Merk Duku a week ago if she had this thing? The only reason it stops is because he happens to have an army on her planet, right, this second.

If that wasn't the case, if she had done it when, like, Grievous was off fighting Obi-Wan somewhere else, you know what I mean? Then it would have been done. It would have been done. He'd be dead and dusted. and she doesn't do that. Why? What is her plan? And it opens for me, it's like, well, what was, what does the, what do the separatists offer her that she preferred to have Duku on the board as a potential something down the line to not just kill him ahead of time?

And it's not, I'm not, it's not clear if she sees things in that way and wants to be a player at that stage. I thought leaving the last arc that she was based on the Savaggio Press stuff, that she had like, some grand machination. But I'm not quite sure that's the case anymore. I just think she's limited by she has to, Duku has to be alive in Revenge of the Sith. I mean, yes, you're right. 100%. That is it. But they should situate that with some in story, you know, rationalization. She should say out loud, hi, I thought, I thought I could use you, but I've seen, I see now that you're too dangerous or something. Do you know what I mean? right um i mean even if it had occurred i guess the it couldn't have taken if it had happened

while no there was no you know occupation on on dathamere perhaps it was just that it would have taken too long for the ritual to be interrupted before like ducu would just be getting too fucked up and... No, I get that, but I'm saying, well, I don't want her to have done it. I want her to give a reason for why it didn't happen since we know it's a potential thing that could have been done.

Do you know what I mean? I want to know what it was that she, and maybe we'll get this, that she thought Duku could do for her to not have killed him. I don't want her to have tried to kill him. Do you know what I mean? I think that the actual, oh shit, I have this thing in my back pocket I haven't used

is actually totally cool. I just want her to have justified why she hadn't pulled it out of the back pocket yet, you know? I wonder if there is a potential for her to engage with Dugu again post-Savage, like, retrieving mall. I totally think that that could be. Yeah. I just want her to say it. I think we could come up with a thousand answers to why she didn't do it. You know, I just want to know what the one that they are interested in is, you know.

Because the thing that she says instead is, he should have been more. careful when dealing with, or he should learn to be more careful when dealing with witches, which is like a totally fine line, but like, he's about to kill all your people. He did, he was exactly as careful as he needed to be, actually. You were just wrong, you know? Um, anyway. Yeah, the, the thing that I kept going back through, like, seeing her power and, like, supposing to think that it's, like, exceptional and she's like one of the strongest people

in the galaxy, like, the galaxy is very lucky that she does not have ambitions beyond, like, to be a weird slave owner? Like, because she could be doing some shit, and she is not. It's, they have wild powers. Like, there is a real, like, talk your shit level of competence that they have. Yoda cannot do this. Palpatine cannot do the things that she does. We don't see Palpatine raising an army from the dead.

I mean, obviously she pulls out the crone, whose name I forget already. DACA. DACA comes out to be like, oh, yep, got it. I'm going to do the magic green mist in the air thing. And she does the, she has the voodoo doll, which we could also impact the history of voodoo dolls in Western pop culture. Like, it's a whole thing, do some research on the ways in which it gets misappropriated and misrepresented and a million other things. It's certainly done so here. Oh, it's certainly done so here.

But that's a power she has that the most powerful Sith and Jedi do not have as far as we've seen. If you don't think, I mean, it'd be very funny if Palpatine could also do this and was just doing it all of the time for shits and giggles. But I suspect we would have seen it happen by now if he could do this. But all that stuff just gets undercut because we don't get insight into the ambition if she has any. I don't know. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah, she, what is her, what is her motivation?

Like, now that she just has mall and, I guess now, it's revenge against. there's more of this that's like you can start to maybe see a plan the end of the next two episodes I still don't see it like even when I see the mall and oppressed stuff like taking shape I do I still have yet to see it and it feels like at worst she was advancing the plot and all her decisions are in service of advancing a plot without any real internal motivations because yes right now in terms of the mismatch this is like this doesn't happen in civilization games as much anymore but like you ever have like an island start in like civilization two or something you don't realize that you're like way behind and you're like all right now to sally forth and like strike

at my foes and you're like four centuries behind yeah you land your phalanxes and your fallacies like get overrun by a battalion of dudes with m16s you're like oh shit y'all are playing a different game this has moved on quite a bit since the last i checked in on how things are going over here. How did y'all not find me? Y'all have boats. Yeah, because it is, like, yeah, they basically flatten the planet. And, like, the thing that the zombies do accomplish is they basically, okay, they are basically

serving the role that clones serve in Jedi Battle Doctrine. They exist to draw fire and soak damage and open a lane for, you know, their star performers to carve away to the objective. Like, I will say in this moment, like, the deployment of the zombies sure looks an awful lot like the way Jedi run

their battles as well, at least in those first couple seasons. Yeah. But, Ventress does make it to grievous command ship and plays on his vanity, his overconfidence to get him

to a agree to a bargain where if she wins they'll call off the assault, right? Like that it's genuinely like you'll cease the assault. Yep. And it's a ugly fight.

Everyone's fighting dirty, but she does like get the upper hand. And immediately he does the most gutless thing, which is he asks his like troops who've been standing off to the side to intervene to save his ass. You can't do that. That's like, that's the lowest of the low.

No honor. Which I will also say... He's trying to get some done. He's trying to get some done. He's trying to win. Yeah. But then he could have just won. He had to, like, he wanted to fight a duel so he could say he won a duel, but had

no intention of ever actually losing it, right? Like, that's the thing. It's a punk move. I'll also say this. So I do kind of dig about this, this arc is that, I feel like maybe we've seen the separatists at their best like Duku had

a really crack team like you know he was ahead of it he had two like tormented children surrogate children under his wing who would like do his bidding and were like intensely loyal via their need for his approval and acceptance

and the word from Palpatine he torched one of those relationships and now here is grievous also like being kind of a yes man here and not seeing that hey there's if this is happening adventurist man what room do you think will await you

in Duku's grand design but yeah he wins the fight and as Duku is like in danger of stroking out from this from this magic spell he exploits the weakness of the witch magic which is that it has a big stinky green stench cloud

Grievous is playing the bubble game he's the one who has to get it Clean this crone God oh good that's yeah Duke like pops up on the little on the UI and says

Follow that stench trail. Follow stinky? Follow stinky? Yes, no. Leave Planet. It's like follow Stinky or fight Ventress. Follow Stinky, make Dad happy? Or...

Stinky sees All Night Sisters dead. Oh, like crying. My face. So fuck. It's very fucked. The, um... I feel like they could... That is such a huge weakness of their magic.

Like the fuck, you really just have a... a paper, like a whole trail right to where you couldn't put a fan out there. Imagine how much worse, like, Vader's Force Choke would look if there's a stinky trail between him and like General Tadge or whatever. Why wouldn't you have multiple pots? Right? Multiple pots, multiple crones. Maybe it's too power.

Maybe Talents like, we can't. They'll overthrow me. I can't let them. I need to know exactly where their magic is happening. So if they try to stinky me, I'll follow the trail. That's true. It's very silly. Another thing that happens in this arc.

I should just shout out a, Robbie were saying, this might be the separatists at their best. We even get to see them use one of their super weapons that we were introduced to years ago. The defoliator tank from the MIRCAT arc is back. The napalm tank that just, like, burns through everything. this is what it was made for it was made to kill the fucking night witches

and burn down all their cover we see that used here for the first time since that episode I am so sure someone on the animation team or like the maybe it was the episode writer I don't know was like I cannot fucking wait to get to use this thing that has been sitting in the background

of the episodes for so so long finally get to pull the trigger on that thing so that was very funny to me was that the episode I guess at the end kicks over the pot. Kicks over the pot

all the night witch is dead. All my knight sister's gone. Yeah, Mother Towson. Don't worry about it. She could just become a force, not a force ghost. She can just become stinky.

She becomes stinky. Yeah. It's like that. The realm we're in. Yeah. Do you think, you were saying earlier whether we thought

she was corporeal, do you mean like as like a base state? Like, do you think that she's always a fake projection that the ghost form is her true form? Or do you think that she's expending energy to be her green, stinky form? So the thing is, she just, she just, like, disappears in this. Like, she's not killed. She's not cut down.

She doesn't do it, Obi-Wan. She's just like, ah, you got me. And poof. Now, we know she's an illusionist, but at the same time. And the liar. I don't know. Yeah. But she's also able to, like, project her consciousness, too, when she's, like, in.

Yeah. She's in slash above Duku's tummy in that scene. No, she's, like, threatening. It does. That is what happens. His whole tummy, it is what happens. She is in the tummy. We forgot the M.Preg Duku death sequence horror.

We did. That's true. He doesn't die, though. He lives. It's fine. True. But it does set the stage again that, like, revenge is her new objective, I guess. Because she says, you'll die.

It's only a matter of time of how painful it will be. I guess at that point it feels like that is... For people who don't know what we mean by in his tummy, he's laying outstretched on his bed, and his, like, whole torso is, like, opened up, almost like it's flames. but like not flame color It's just like It's the color of his shirt and stuff And then green stinky is coming out of that

And then Talzin is coming out of that Like as if there's a big hole in his torso In his belly And she's talking to him From his belly Think Anyway then the army closes in on her Where she's doing her magic

And they definitely kill Granny rags Yeah Oh for sure for sure Yeah brutally brutally murdered She's murdered like six feet in the air

But I don't know how Asage gets out Isass just like not there She just She's out on the battlefield Yeah and then just She never makes it to the stinky cave She was out on the field the whole time Yeah

And I guess nobody follows her Like she just walks away from the fight I mean there's a moment where After like she's trying to get away At a point from somewhere where it's her and another knight sister and droids just shoot

Mohawk sister they shoot Mohawk sister in the back and it's like if y'all had just aimed to the right this would be done Asha should be dead

to be a no name Mohawk sister would have lived and no one knows Mohawk sister's name she doesn't have a name she is mohawked night sister on on

Wikipedia I was just describing her it's fucked up when just a description is somebody's credited name. Sorry, I'm making that up.

That's a joke. Oh, oh. More people in Star Wars need to not have names and attach stories behind them and could just be like, dip shit in the back with the goofy hat. Like, more of that, please. I will say it's kind of cool, too, like the Knight Sisters losing their undead cover and sort of realizing now the game is truly up and getting, like, massacred. It's pretty grim.

But yeah, it's... They look around so sad. They, like, look around and they're, like, scared and sad, and it makes me scared and sad. It's... I'm scared and sad for them, and... I'm just... I'm so bummed that we're not going to get any more... Her name was L-U-S-U-S-E-E-L-U-C-E. Wow.

Shout-outs. Also... So, but yeah, you're right about being bummed about not getting more Knight's sister stuff, presumably. There's no more. There's none left except Talzin. Hold on. Yeah.

Please, Rob. No, Al, you, you might be aware of there. No, I was going to ask, because, like, all the Knight Sister shit that Whips takes place after this, right? Is this all like, oh, where, our ancient, we were washed out by the, the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and how sometimes a really bad ending. can set up cool things later. Is there, is there, this isn't the end of the death of Merion

Knight's sister? And also the thing is, this, Towson really got her in my fucking skin here. I'm really pissed about her, her appearing at the end of this. Uh-huh. And going to Ventress. His Ventress is just going over this late now deserted battlefield over, like, with the ruins of the Knights Sisters. and Towson is basically like

well we took our shot things broke bad we're done here don't even try like Knight Sisters on Dathimir it's all over kid but your path

is a new path and it's up to you to find it it's the most the real dark magic was in you all along Assange fucking ending it's like you don't have a plan I can't believe

I cannot believe you led everyone involved down this fucking cul-de-sac of destruction Yeah That's the thing I kept wondering I kept being like Did she want this invasion to happen? Is this part of a long con? It's hard not to think that she did

She lift it if she didn't want this to happen Because there's a way to let this happen and then still keep most of your knight sisters and then you get your counterpunch in later and instead she got a bunch of people killed, you know? I always wouldn't vote for her as mother again for the future. Yeah, I wouldn't. The thing that I know is that there are

descendants of the night sisters by the time you get to Star Wars Jedi Fallen... Jedi Fallen Order? Yeah, Jedi Fallen Order. The most interesting character in that game is a knight sister or a whatever passes for a knight sister post order 66

named Marin who's like very cool and should have been the protagonist of that game and hopefully will be whatever the sequel comes out so like yes you go to Dathamere in that game you fight a bunch of fucking

you fight a bunch of Zabric and there are some night witcher night witches geez night witches and, you know, Death Amirian magic shit in that game. Become a Night Witcher. That's right. I mean, the next episode is basically, yeah.

Any final thoughts, I guess, before we do talk about that next episode? Um, no. Just the zombie jaw animation was the worst thing ever. Sure, fair. Just cartoony and made me sad that that was the version of zombie

zombie Night Sister we got instead of something cool. I liked how fast they were. That was scary. Yeah, fast zombies, yeah. Always good to see a forest bow, but that's pretty much it. I feel you.

Won't see them again, but, you know. That's life, isn't it? I wish, I wish, I wish that at least Ventris could have, like, left with a force vote. Like, she took Katas's, she took Katas' force foes or Karas' caris' caris' You already forgot her name. Catness, Harris. You called her Kathe's. That's fucking Hunger Games.

Kathy the fucking Kathy. I'll never forget her. She, she should have, like, been, like, take my bow. It's like, Karen, I'll never forget you. Yeah. That's a great point, and leaded to this next episode, because, like, we're supposed to see this as, like, a new beginning for Ventress, but she's still fighting with the lightsabers.

Like, she's not, like, let herself evolve. That's the thing. She does not have, she doesn't have that in her. Sure. You know, she's been using lightsaber since she was a little girl. That's the tragedy. The ritual couldn't teach her to use the khyber bow. Right.

No, she stuck around because I would do the khyberbo training thing where it's like, hey, all the night sisters and go out to the range and, like, fire off a few lightsaber shots. You want to go? That would have been like the end of the night. Like after like drinks had been had, you know, like, let's go out to the forest and shoot out of the bottle as we emptied. Yeah, exactly

Hey, we're gonna have a little Zabrak roast At the end of the night Like Ventures is like Isn't this a little Isn't this a little like macab And they're like hey kid we throw dark Yeah You do the ritual

Yeah It's too late to go back This next episode Is the debut of a new Ventress look Technically This is a new outfit Primetime So good

Tell me what's it good about it Talk to me I'm not disagreeing I just want to hear you describe this look Okay. It's like a, she's going for a Sith, but she's not a Sith, right? It's like sort of the, like, dark outfit, sort of robish, but not robes, sharp edges, like a dark purple black with like a, just one, one blue shoulder pad. It's so good. It has a snake on it. It has a snake on it? I didn't even notice that. Also, it was this. I had the benefit of looking at it. at the behind the scenes stuff. Is this also a new makeup

look? Because I couldn't tell if like where eye makeup was different too. I'm going to drop the like style guide for this here. Thank you. The shoulder pad quote has an illustration of a twisted black snake. Chosen snakes are often are an often misunderstood creature

that are assumed to be dangerous or evil when in fact they are not. Whoa. Damn Adventress She's dangerous But is dangerous She's dangerous

She's dangerous She's not evil She just wants She just has I'm not going to say Daddy issues But she has She needs

She wants family She wants parental Figures She wants You know Someone to look up to She is an assassin Yeah, but there are more, there are people, I think,

eviler than her in this episode. Sure. Like, evil? For sure. Yeah. So, that's all. We can get into it. Yeah, the next episode, um, is bounty and, well, so, like,

with my sister's being dead and Dohoo clearly now beyond Ventrace's reach, uh, it's time for her to start a new career. She's in start up mode. and she does what you do in Star Wars which you go to tattooing and become a bounty hunter and this episode

I think can be uncharitably but I don't think incorrectly called the train episode from Book of Boba Fett if it was good sure yeah absolutely I have the same note

vastly better than what we see in Book of Boba so what involves here ventress at loose ends, kills a guy harassing her at the Moss Eyes of the Cantina. And you know it's old times because the Moss Eyes of the Cantina looks really clean. And, you know, it's dirty by the time Luke goes there. But in these days, it's like newly opened.

Woohar's like, man, this place is going to rule. It really won't, man. Get ready. Get ready. This is, Benris is setting the tone. It turns out the dude she killed was part of a bounty hunting crew. We know quite well. Basque and Lats Rizzi are there

They were traveling with the guy And because she killed him She is obliged to replace their dipshit friend And join their mission Because they are now working for Boba Fett Presumably escaped as part of that undercover arc Which If that's where he went to prison

And that's like what was going down I feel like Mace Windu Didn't really care if that kid ever forgave him and grew up up. He's just kind of positive in a

Supermax? Yeah. Mace. Well, when you go to jail I mean That's right Maybe you'll grow up

a little bit Trust you Mace This is why Like your vibes are bad too Anyway They've taken a job To escort Precious Cargo

via an underground train On the planet Look, it's underground The atmosphere is pressurized Why is a train? Because nothing can fly Okay, just roll with it. They got to take the underground

monorail. They say you can't land a ship on the planet without it blowing up. Yep. So it's a space all the way down and it's trains trains all around the underroll the plan. It's an excuse. I'm happy to have one excuse for why we're doing a fucking train heist. Better than Bobas which is they have a trackless train

wandering the do anyway. It's been a train. It's not even a fucking train It's just a hover car It's a long hover truck RV This is better Anyway Yeah so they're on the planet

Quorzite Yeah it's because all the quarts Basically There's lots of crystals There's lots of bad names in this episode Oh you mean like Otoa Blank The dictator they're working for

I mean more like The Balugans Because they're like whale people So they're called The Ballugans Lugans, that's the species, or the other species who are like ninjas, and they're called the Kage, which is Japanese for Shadow, which you often hear in relation to, like, ninjas, like Kagamusha, you know, Shadow War.

So, Othua Blank, the dictator of this planet is one of this precious cargo delivered on trains. Now, this doesn't make a lot of sense, because there's only, we're going to learn later. There's only one thing that's precious cargo. It's not like our regular shipments of gold are being hijacked. That's not what's happening. There's one thing you usually across the planet. But he can't get any of his trains past these bands of raiders along the route. And so Fet's gang is hired to do the job.

They are predictably ambushed and a huge battle unfolds as the train whips along at high speed. And the bounty hunters, after each of them gets to do something really awesome, they are thrown off the train, landing safely, but taken out of the fight. As Boba prepares to make his last stand against the Raiders, it turns out, it's the cargo is knocked over, and it turns out, you ready for this? It's a young woman, Pluma Sody. Human trafficking. Yeah, she's on her way to be forced into a marriage with Blank, and the Raiders are led by her brother in the attempt to rescue her. Who is the one who is she being led to marry?

What do you mean? The Baluga. Who is? Who is it? I'm trying to do a fucking who's on first bit. It's killing me here. Because you said blank. You're being led to blank. I thought, well, who is it?

That doesn't work. No, because he has the first name, unfortunately. If his name was just been blank, we've nailed it. It's fair. Anyway, continue. Disappointed in us. There'll be other opportunities. Yeah, I know.

I know. I wanted this one, though. It'd be a deal. Austin out here. LeBron at J.R. B. Like, 100%. When you have an opportunity to do it who's on first. So,

Ventris is unmoved by the girls' pleas and seems more concerned with tallying up her share of the proceeds from the mission. But as she discusses that with Boba, their conversations turns into an argument about prize shares, and Ventris puts him in a

forced sleeper hold. She then shows up to deliver the chest, to Blank takes her money back with her on the train and when Blank goes to open up the chest surprise it's Boba fat he's been stuffed into the locker and Ventris is freeing Pluma and her brother she delivers the cash

after Pluma is free she heads back up to the space station above the planet and turns the cash over including Boba's share to her bounty hunting Confederates and strikes out on her own yeah yep that's what happened so every new everyone knew that this guy who was talking to this 12 year old boy who had hired him for a big bounty hunting mission that was chatting it up was doing it for an extremely normal reason right like we were all like this is fine there's something weird

about this guy I definitely thought it was like a secret weapon or like some like money or ores of some sort I don't know I... Yeah, I don't Allie, is your idea here that like the other bounty hunters knew something really bad was up?

What is this guy doing? Like, Boba Fett is a child so I'm going to forgive him here even though you make the rules I follow them is fucking you're going to have to work on your like

bounty. Hunter personality type over the years. Because right now, it's very loud door mat. It's like very aggressive, I am just a punk. I'm just a punk and I'll do whatever you say. How about

that? He's Calvin from Calvin and Hobbs. Oh, right. Sure. That's basically the vibe he has, which is like, sweet but like trying to be bad, but also deeply unworldly. Right. He's been

that seemed being like so curious and being like well why why do you need five people for this what's going on with this train and like seeing this weirdo bounty payer hire like just like engage with this child being like okay there's there's going to be a twist here he doesn't know he doesn't care i mean that's the thing right is what i would would have been good is you're surrounded by all these other very worldly bounty hunters, which, like, I want to be clear, I think his set is sick. Like, I think everybody in his crew rules. Bosque rules.

We know this about Basque already. When did Dengar get so jaunty? Dengar's young here, right? This is Dengar years before Empire, right? Oh. This is a young Dengar in the white. I had an important question about Dengar was that were we getting wife guy energy from him? Because there was like...

About who? About lots? about Ventress? High Singer? Who is Dengar married to in this? Oh, well, okay. So my, my perception of Dengar as a wife guy because of the way that he gets his wife in the book about him.

Yeah. I was like, is he like, he's like friendly but like not flirty with Ventris. And then he like, he goes like, hey, boss, who's your girlfriend? And the boss who's like, shut up Dengar. And I was like, is his, is he a wife guy? Is the thing that he does? like, I have a wife, you don't have a girlfriend. No.

This is free wife. This is well before wife. So you're not just saying a wife guy, you're being like agro, you're suggesting agro, like, judgey wife guy to all people who don't yet have wives. Wife to guy. Or like bragger wife guy. Yeah, sure. I think the combination of like confidence around other attractive women, but not like being like, I really want to sleep with you. Ventress on top of

No, you're just, he's just a good dude. He's just, Dengar is just chill. In your head cannon, Dengar between missions. Yeah, you know, I think I could beg Ventress, but, you know, Mary Man now, and I love my wife. Or, you should take a shot, buddy.

It's the other way. Which is, in Allie's mind, Ventress is so hot. But the only way a character in a scene isn't like, I got a fucker. I got to reorient my whole life. I got to rearrange a lot of stuff as if you're already locked down.

You already are completely fulfilled in a relationship and a marriage. I just wanted to know if everybody else was speaking up a vibe that I thought it's there. And the answer is no. Anyway, happy 30th. I thought he was. We're honoring it as best we know how. I think Dengar's kind of a charming punk in these episodes. I think he's young, and I don't know that he has the confidence to really take a swing at Ventris in that way.

I thought he was trying to suss out the vibe, like when Boss is walking in with Ventris, and he's like, who's your girlfriend? And she goes, he's not my boyfriend. I don't have a boyfriend. And he's like, okay. Like now he goes gathering intel. That's what I figured. But I did not realize that, yeah. sometimes you are talking to someone and you're like oh are you don't ever do this don't ever do this

this is not advice but sometimes you would imagine that someone's like oh is your is your you get a phone call and they're like oh is that your boyfriend calling and you're like and you want to catch them saying like oh no I don't have a boyfriend or something like that you know what I mean you wouldn't do this you're not saying you don't no one should ever do this right right and it's bad advice don't do it But if it happens, just coincidentally, you know that that's gathering intel. That's Intel. That's free information. Not locked down right now.

Mm-hmm. I got you. I'm just saying. Right. So that's what I thought, that's what I thought Dan Carr was doing, gathering information. Yeah. I get the sense that he's like a capable but kind of rookie-ish, not, like, he's not a rookie compared to Boba-Fat, but I don't think that he has developed as a bad.

Downing Hunter yet at this point. You know what I mean? He's got the bombs on luck. Like, he has a great chill set. That bomb, that bomb maneuver is sick. There's a bit where he, like, puts two sticky bombs on two, on two people. They're people. You know what?

Yeah, it's fucked up. It was so cool. It's real sick. It's real sick. Anyway, the whole crew is sick. Because the other, the other people, I was going to go through the rest of them. Lotz Razi is like all green, everything except her skin, which is pink and purple. and she has orange hair, which you would think it doesn't work, but I think it works for her,

and she has, like, a cool alien face with some bumps on, it's like one of those. And then also has, it's like, I thought she was going to be, like, a poison ivy type, but I think she's just a sole caliber ivy type, because she has those, like, metal whips that she can, like, hit you with and pull you around and do all sorts of wild shit with. They're, like, layered scales, like, yeah. Armor, but is the armor actually the whip? She, like, takes that off and then uses them? But it extends so far, and that's, like, the poison iviness of it all.

That is the poison. And it is kind of, like, plant-like. And then a robot named High Singer, like H-I-G-H singer, like someone who sings, love him. Incredible. Like, he's from a different universe of droids. I don't know what his deal is. I don't know anything about this type of droid. I've never seen this type of droid before.

He, like, does, like, a chirpy talk. Not like an R-2-chirpy talk, but, like, a fucked-up robot. robotic like weird he's all grumbly he's very grumbly and he does a great 360 spin kill a bunch of people move true yeah

I'm just very happy we got this episode so close to the box where the box was like I really just want a crew of criminals doing a job and we fucking got one and it was a complicated job yeah yeah like I would I wish it was more of a heist than a train protection I wish they were doing a train heist and not a train protection

scheme, but... Yeah, that would be more fun. They still get people... They still get people... I would say. Like, the way it all unfolds, like, there's two things they do. They have... Everyone is sort of cut off in their own separate fight, so you see them all, like,

outnumbered and holding their own against, like, large numbers of radar, uh, raiders. But then also, once, like, a few people are taken out, the fight starts to move through the train in a way that you get that cool dynamism that, like, train scenes.

always have. The other thing's like notable in this fight the Raiders are actually kind of going out of their way to not kill the bounty hunters but the guards they are with and boy the mayor who hired them it is no quarter

for those guys at all yeah all the sequence is great I yeah I don't know I like this fun fun action I think the the real note that I took here was basically like this is kind of a nothing of an episode but I would take six more these like

scattered these if we're gonna have one-offs a little one-off where you do a little train heist all right I agree

I would have preferred this to the the bad death watch episode a few episodes ago I would prefer this to the whole Montcalamari arc

well I think and it's also partly just like having so the Montalamire is so self-serious this is like its weightlessness

works for it um and I don't think the thing that this does really well I think I think like Death Watch just doesn't have payoffs equivalent to this is like

the way the fights are choreographed and like the amount you can see of the fight here is really incredible it's like seeing great martial arts sequence a series of them all at once and again like one of the book of Boba Fett episode that kind of like is the echo

of this it has none of that Like, there's none of the energy in part because they just don't have the performers to make it work. They're not investing in the kind of, like, stunt choreographers to do it. And really, I don't really have to set to do it, whereas here they built, you know, the CG train. And, like, there's a lot they can do with the space. You know, Book of Boba Fett's action sequence has, like, the soundstage disease, right? Where it's just, like, nothing.

Like, it's insert shots, followed by insert shots. So, I think this is all, like, a real showcase of what Clone Wars is capable of at the height of its powers, which is, like, creating stuff that's as good as anything you see in, like, the better Star Wars movies, but, like, reimagined, like, animation. Mm-hmm. And I think this is, like, a very cartoony children's show episode, to be clear, like, despite the human trafficking at the heart of it, in terms of it being, like, a 22-minute episode about people fight in each of. And at the end, there's a little, like, emotional closer because of how Assange frees the woman and she delivers that line of, like, you know, I guess the bounty hunters are like, you're going to be a great member of this team. And she's like, I'm not part of any team. And Basque or someone is like, oh, you're too good for us now. Is that it? And then Ventra says, no, once I was just like you, but I'm not that person anymore. Now I have a future. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's the most we have to put a button on this episode, like line ever.

It doesn't mean anything. That's her a way message now. Exactly. What does it mean to be like someone else is like, oh, do you want to be part of our team? And you're like, no. And they're like, oh, you're too good for us. And then she goes, no, I used to be like you, which I guess means I used to have friends. Like, that's not true.

It's not true. You did not use to be like them. Work for someone, I guess. I guess work for someone, but I'm not that person anymore. Now I have a future. No, you don't. No, you don't. You don't have a future.

You have $80. Like, you've got to take it that briefcase and you didn't. Yes. Can I spoil one thing from the first shot of the next time adventure shows up? Sure. Yeah. She's getting drinks with Lats Rasi. She does not have a future.

Her future is, I'm going to get drinks with you. Do you want to get drinks later? That's her future. Her future is tomorrow night. It's girl's night at the club. Let's go. Also, what's a future? Like, why isn't drinks with lots of Razzi?

Dehre. Right? Like, what do you mean you're going to start entrepreneuring? Like, I'm confused. Like, Ventra just wants to talk to you about Web 3. She's a, she's a, she's a, she's a, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, yeah. You know what? She's giving CEO. She's going through, like, the thing is, it's all rest of development stuff. Because, like, she didn't get that, you know, that first job you ever worked, we get your first paycheck, and you're like, man, I'm loaded. I got $120

bucks. This baby. I can buy, like, two video games that I want to, but you know what, fuck that. I'm by one video game and treat my homies to some pizza and two leaders. That's right. That's right. I'm going to hit the multiplayer game. It's not as good as, uh, 007. It's not as good as golden eye, but that's okay, because it's about the experience of people, of people. Time Killers 2 or whatever the fuck it's called. Time splitters. two, time splinters two, perfectly fine way to spend an evening. She didn't take all the money, to her credit. No, it's actually, I was really surprised that, like, she fully does a face turn here

and, like, brings them their shares, including, well, including Boba, who, like, they had a falling out. She put Boba in his place. Is that a falling out? I mean, they had to agree after that to be, like, hey, get in this box, unless you think she just put him in there. She put him in that box. but I think the thing that's weird is

I got the vibes Boba is the one who was like we shouldn't do this right in his heart of hearts like when the reveal that it's a girl in the box he's the one who's immediately very Pikachu face

yeah he's like oh my God am I doing a bad thing I'll protect you is what he's like the first thing that he says to her and that is what she ends up doing but she can't like

and we also don't even get a face turn because, like, it's not like, ventrace is like, oh, I have a future. I'm going to go find those two and help defend them because, like, I care about returning home or whatever. Like, she takes money from them to let them off. Like, that guy throws some credits at her. She wasn't just like, I'm doing this as a favor for you because I'm deciding I'm a nice person who wants to do a nice person. She contrives a situation in which she's allowed to do a good thing. And, like, I guess sometimes going from being a bad person to a good person,

involves a few steps, and one of those steps is, how do I be a bad person in a good way? How do I, like, I can't let my, I can't do this for free, that would be, that would be stupid. I'd be a stupid person if I did this for free. Invest in her future. Right. So I, so how about you give me money, and then I'll do the good thing that I actually want to do, but I have to justify it for myself, because I live in a worldview that is about how, like, the whole galaxy runs on conflict and struggle.

And so I have to, inside of the Code of the Sith, which I've given up, of course, but that's still the way I view the world. I have to justify doing the good thing here I think that would be kind of like it's fine that we didn't get her actually literally working through that because she doesn't have someone to talk to about this shit but it would have been cool to have her like

because I think that's what's happening here right? She wants to do the good thing but she can't just let herself do the good thing so she needs to like justify it with money or whatever but this is like if Chewing tossed Han Solo into an escape pod at the end of

a new hope and saved like the rebels himself and got that metal. Yeah. It was just like I was like, you know, maybe we should go and like help that and chew.

He's like, and like just don't like just conks him on the head, dumps him on the side of the street and he's like, I'm a war hero now. Yes, 100%. My,

my question is, do we think that Assange when realizing that, these were brother and sister that she had decided at the at what point did she decide she was going to return these people to their home return I think the kid gets to her I think I think yeah Pluma's whole like you can't really do this to us like I just don't like please don't like do this to us I think yeah I think it eats it asage I think

more than the, like, yet, like, she has a family, and I think that does, like, that's part of it, but I genuinely think, like, the kid gets under Asaja's skin. Right. She was also moved around in this way as a child. Exactly. Not forced married, but, you know, the experience

of being sold to fucking pirates or whatever is not positive. No. She, um, the, the young girl who will remain nameless in my brain, uh, you don't want to know

her name? You don't, you're not interested in learning. Pluma? Pluma. It's Pluma. And Crisma. It's Pluma Sodi. And Chrismo. Chrismo Sodi, the worst name in an episode of bad names. Crismo. Sodi. Pluma is like, Ventris, you'll never know what it's like to be taken from your family. You'll never know. And then Ventris has this like very introspective moment. She's like looking out the train window. We're in a close-up shot of her. brow and she's like

I actually do and then she decides to save them I in my heart I don't know I guess that this is like the turn of the episode

but I'd like to believe that maybe there was something inventress that might have I guess this is what wakes her up I just wanted to believe that it didn't take the kids spelling it out for her that this is fucked up

that she could you know sort of see it for herself but well I think I don't think you're wrong with that because I feel like the entire episode she's already like she throughout all of this I think she's in the process of waking up to like what the new reality is like this is like things come to a point fast here which is like okay here's your new life now we're going to be the sort person who does exactly what was done to you but I think throughout the entire thing it's like a rapid orientation of like here's your here's your place in the universe here's where the roads go from here.

Yeah. That's true. I mean... Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to pivot a little bit, so go ahead and finish your thought. No, no, no. Go ahead.

I kind of like... And I'm working through my own thoughts about this. The sequence of events, because this might be hard to follow if you didn't watch the episode, they are transporting this chest to someone they haven't met yet. The vibes are off. The chest gets opened up

finally because the fight starts to go the way of the ninja clan, and it's revealed that they are a disenfranchised people, and that this is the sister of the leader of this band of Raiders, who's being moved so that she can be a child bride effectively. It's fucked up. Boba's response to that emotionally is, hey, this is fucked up, but is not going to call the mission off. It's just a job, as Ventra says.

She literally goes one step away, goes one train car away, to talk privately with Boba. And that conversation is not an argument over, do we traffic this girl in order to finish the job, now that we know what the job is. We knew we were moving something radioactive. We didn't know how, and that let us assuage our guilt. That's not the conversation. The conversation is she goes, I want half. You pay me half. And Boba says half.

You just got in the game. Fuck that. She's like, I did this mission. I'm the only one left here. Everybody else got knocked off They're staring at fucking centipedes now By the way, the ninjas used big centipedes to get there And I kept thinking they were all going to get a centipede

And catch up That just doesn't ever happen I thought that too It's the second time I've seen this episode I saw this episode a year ago Or two years ago when I was writing the Dengar story And the same thing happened I was like, oh yeah, they get a centipede

Obviously they don't But they have this conversation And this conversation is the one in which In which She ends up choking Boba Fett out Because he tries to like power move her and be like, you just got in the game. Like, you don't get half of this.

You get your cut, same as we agreed upon. And she's like, here's what's going to happen is no one's going to trust you. You're going to get to the end of this thing. No one's going to want to negotiate with you. And you're going to get, like, you're going to lose here. Let me do all the negotiation. Boy, she calls him boy. And then he's like, don't call me a boy.

I'm in charge. And she's like, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck out. I'm choking you. And they don't ever talk about. the stakes or the ethical implications. So there's a world in which he goes, fine, you get half the money, and they go through with the trade.

But instead, there's this conflict, but it's not about the thing, it's about the other thing. And yet it produces the sort of effect in her that she can then fuck off with the, do the right thing, quote unquote. And I kind of like that it's

displacement instead of melodrama about the thing. Do you know what I mean? There's kind of There's something interesting happening there that isn't the traditional way you write the children's show outcome to this arc. I was just going to say my read on it is that she doesn't have an argument about, like she doesn't care about the spoils. Like the entire, like, she's contriving the argument so that she can do this.

And it's this weird thing of like, because I think what Ventures is a scene of the world, you don't give people a chance to do the right thing. Like, if she's decided for herself that, like, okay, we got to call this off, the thing that is going to make her vulnerable is expressing that to other people. Like, she's just got to do it. She has to, like, play the cards close to the, close to the vest and just, like, find a reason to, like, have this falling out so that she has a, so that there is a dispute that causes, like, Boba to get, get choked out. But I think, I think she is forcing a fight so that she can do what she actually wants to do, which is. is carry out the swab. That's...

And then Boba gets pulled out of the chest. He's lost some reputation because he got... Because something got, you know, pulled over on him. But he wasn't part of this plan. He doesn't... He isn't marked as a traitor. He isn't marked as someone

who goes back on his words of a bounty counter. That I couldn't figure out too, but that's what the point. She's actually giving him credit in a certain weird way. Yeah, right? Because the version of this were the two of them betray an employer,

like, that's a black market. Mark, you don't get to keep doing bounty hunter shit. Maybe you do, but people are going to take a risk. The belugans are going to get out there and be like, yeah, we hired him to move something, and he didn't do it. He betrayed us at the end. He stole our treasure or whatever, right? So that's kind of interesting.

I like that. I like that quite a bit. I mean, like the line that she delivers to, the thing that almost makes it work for her is when the, when the, when, Chrysbo or what the fuck, Plasma, whatever her name, I've already forgotten. Plumma. Pluma. Pruma is like, I'm just another job to you. Ventures is like, you know what? You're right. You are just another job to me. You're just another job. And it's like, oh, okay, yeah. That means I can fuck around and do whatever I want. You're just a job to me. You are not, I don't need of the approval of the Balugans. The Balugan is not Duku. I'm not trying to, like, get a special outcome from this. You're just a job. And it's like deeply freeing in an interesting way. So, I don't know. I think that the way that this all resolves is more interesting than it could. have been with like a long

diatribe about ethics and Boba talking about my dad told me that a bounty hunter always has honor or something bullshit like that you know what I mean? That would have been corny as fuck so yeah I do wonder as well

while you were laying that out and like the fact that Boba is walking up to the line of having this conflict the thing that he spared is like hey kid this is the bounty hunting business and like so much of his motivation is my father was a good man who the Jedi

killed and like stepping to that world one of the first things you do is like you're going to traffic this kid to her abductor and abuser and you're going to take the money to do that and you'll take work from him down the road

you will continue to do stuff like this like Boba and I will say by the time maybe you hit Book of Boba Fet he does that you do have the sense there's a character with history there where it's like look at all the shit that's on my hands from doing this job I think the

Cadbane character actually carries it off much better as far as like the moral stain that attaches to you but here I think you see the beginnings of it which is like no you this bounty hunting is not a job where you stay clean like to make this work you have to be willing

to like see this horrible situation and be like and I'm going to be actively the agent to make it possible I mean this is like my whole thing about bounty hunters that are so interesting in Star Wars we're talking about it during that last arc with the box and how like oh enbo is here even though a month ago we saw embo or a year ago now we saw embo protecting that village for money right at the aspirin village or whatever and now he's choking a guy out right now he's choking a also he shows up in this episode yeah with a puppy right does he have a puppy in this episode

yeah isn't he the guy who walks out of the building and is like hey dog And then they walked down the street together. Oh, that's very cute. I didn't realize. I only saw him in passing. Where? I didn't realize he had a... It's when Bosque, Lottie, and Ventriss are walking down the street towards...

Oh, he totally does. Yeah, he snaps his fingers and the dog starts walking with him. That's very cute. That's cute. Continues to be one of Filoni's OCs, obviously. The... My point being, a character like Embo probably has also done some fucking dirt, right? I mean, he was part of that mission.

We just saw him be part of a mission about kidnapping the chancellor, right? And he apparently got out of that scot-free, despite an Obi-Wan knowing who he was, obviously. He wasn't there part of that mission. He was there to choke. Right. He was there to choke, Sinrich. Exactly. I just edited that podcast last night.

That's why I still remember characters names from that group. I couldn't name them all, but I could name more than I would like to be able to name. could I name them all? I couldn't name them all but I don't remember the brother's names anyway the thing about bounty hunters Speaking of

the little man The fucking The fucking Yoda Yes the guy The bolt cut man

Sinrich Is that the guy with the With the big nose in the bulk cut? Yeah. He invented the things. Yeah. He's in the beginning

of this episode too. No, Natalie, that is just a different person from the same species. I'm sorry to tell you. Star Wars will get you. Star Wars will make you say some shit. Fuck, yeah.

All of us. They made me racist. Uh-huh. I was like, oh, this must take place before the box. Because... I'm double checking to make sure, because, hey, you know,

maybe it, maybe it does. Maybe I'm always making sure we got out. It's like we're fake your death. Ooh. That'd be so fun. That would be fun. No, sadly not. I'm sorry.

Is he in the bar? Yeah, there's a got, there's a, there is just a, that is just a different snivian. Snivian? A snivian. Uh-huh. There was a snivian in, like it's, oh, that was the same guy.

I know it does. but it's not. It's just a... It's another snivian with a bowl cut. They got the same barber. Yeah. It's just a classic look. The fucked up thing is

their straight up was one in a piece of like original trilogy footage I saw recently. Is it this guy? Did you just watch? Yeah, I just watched them this past week. His name is tequila.

His name is tequila. He's just in the canteen. I'm going to post, I'm posting tequila. heel in chat. This is what they originally look like. Very, very, you know? Oh, he's the guy that the dancer's like, hey, baby, and puts her hand on his chin.

I remember that. I don't, but damn, okay. He'll got it like that? Let's go. Yeah, apparently. So, yeah, that's just a different guy. Anyway, my point being, bounty hunters exist at the cruise. cracks in the system, right? And, like, that's what's so interesting about them. They are,

they are, and the cracks that the system can mean both when you are a peasant farmer who does not have the security you need from raiders. It can also mean when you are a regional hegemon that needs the strength of a galactic hegemon for a little bit of time, right? You need, you don't have a big standing army, but you can afford a few bounty hunters for a week. I think that it's such a fun, interesting function inside of the storytelling apparatus of Star Wars. There are a certain sort of temporary glue that can affix a story and produce a sort of possibility that doesn't exist without them, and that's really fun for me. They're the most, they're the clearest way in which these are fundamentally like space westerns. Right.

They don't get to be full-time, like the gunslinger of myth is rarely a full-time good guy or bad guy. We sort of talked about the Earps being like the trail of dead they left behind. It's not all like clear cut like you're defending the people of the village. There's an awful lot of they were taking care of family business, maybe committing crimes themselves. And are fundamentally part of, for the frontier gunslinger, part of a colonial enterprise, right? There is no cleaning the hand of the gunslinger. The gunslinger is making the world. Even the gunslinger who makes the place safe and civil is doing it on behalf of a growing empire, right?

Gunslinger, the bounty hunters we've met, like I think about the one in the arc troopers story on Camino where it's like, you got the one who's like, I'm going to be the sadistic drill sergeant, but fundamentally I also think I'm doing the right thing,

which is my job is to weed out the weak from this like nascent army so that they're not getting other people killed out there. And you get the other one who's like my job is to help these individuals like adapt themselves to the dangerous work we're asking of them but in either case it's like

that is a contract these guys are going to fulfill and then in six months they might be doing like launching a coup kidnapping a child these people like a bounty hunter who trained clones for the republic is just as soon going to take a job

in many cases from the separatists like literally I could train you today and in six months I'm looking at you through the sights of my rifle like that's what it means to be a bounty hunter in this world because of the ways that the institutions that make the Galactic Republic are incomplete in that way that like if you're someone whose trade is violence you got to be flexible and I think that's a very interesting situation because it presents the it's it's one of the ways in which the Galactic Republic is like unsettled and unfinished before the empire not that there aren't bounty hunters after the empire but like they feel so much more simple in the imperial world in which they are like elite cops basically who are like more like our own bounty hunters

who are basically tracking down criminals whereas here there's a lot more not that again there's plenty of bounty hunter stories in the imperial era where they're doing other things like we know but here there are much more PMCs and this is also to the point of the era in which this is made where this is where people are increasingly aware that like contractor is a term

that can connote like Blackwater goons like massacring people in the streets and like just basically being cowboy assholes in an occupied land where they're given license to do violence or it could mean a trucker getting a really amazing

rate to like ferry supplies around between like fire bases that the U.S. Army is maintaining in an occupied country. But the thing that was already becoming clear probably in the time this is being made but has been

made in clear sense is that once you create a cast of PMCs, they do not go away when the immediate mission ends right? They continue to go like, to your point you created a class of people

for whom the trade is like martial violence. They will find places where martial violence is a sellable skill long after like the state that employed them has no longer, no further need of them. I love a fucking bounty hunter. It's miserable in

the real world, but I love a bounty hunter story Like, this is the stuff that moves me about this stuff. This is why, like, when they were like, Austin, you could write one Star Wars story. I was like, when you read about Dengar. Is that an episode? Yeah, I think we did it. I think we really, I really stretched this last 15 minutes

to make it not just the 70-minute podcast, huh? We made it. Yeah. We put in the work. I got nothing else. I'm looking. I would like to see Heisinger again. Me too.

really liked that robot. I like the way his voice grunts and... More are Deco assassin droids, please. Yes. Agreed. Like, where did he come from? What's his style? Did he come from, like, Mandelor?

Question mark? He was part of Crates Claw, syndicate of bounty hunters. Oh, that included Bobafet, Lotz, Razi, Dengar, Basque, and Oked. Uh-oh. That just... Bored.

Pull out. Can't learn any more about that band. Yeah, time to close that tab. I mean, I don't think they ever come up again, because this is... Well, that's Rossi's right there in the next episode. Can I... We're done with Boba Fett. What?

This is the last of Boba Fatt? Excuse me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's... Boba Fett's going to show up on a poster later, but that's it. We're done with Boba Fatt. This is the thing I've known for a long time because of the story I, like, had looked at Boba Fett's page before. And so I knew that we had one more Boba Fatt episode coming, and it was this one.

We're done. That's it. It's it. That's it. The final image of Bobbicator in Clone Wars is him coming out with a little box and going, No, he's going to be on a poster. He's going to be on a poster. Don't worry about it.

Oh, sure. Okay, yeah. That'll be the final image. The final thing he says is, huh? Or whatever he says when he comes out of the box. So we're going to get, we're going to get him up to, huh? And then we're going to skip to, he's no good to me. Yes. Correct.

And then Book of Boba, fat, fat old cat, Happy and the Sun, Boba Fat, like up to up to nothing bad. He really got the score on human trafficking after this one, huh?

He was like, yep, this is what we do. You got to move people around. We got to move people around the galaxy. That's what I do. That's what I do. I prefer them in carbonite. It makes it a little easier. Yeah.

Although, no. Anakin is the only one who knew that was possible. That's right, yeah. Bobapet hadn't learned that trick yet. He's no good to me dead. Yeah. Perfect. Anakin, of course, knew at that moment.

Actually, we can freeze and thaw out people in carbonite at well. Let me tell you about this mission we did. On the prison base, inspired the Death Star. Little known story. What I don't know is if he ends up being in Bad Batch. Maybe he ends up being in Bad Batch. Oh, sure. but that's still

going on right that's like the current cartoon show yeah yeah I believe so I believe there's more coming I guess I'm like 100% sure my assumption is just like Star Wars clone dirty dozen that's what I'm here for yeah I'm here for

I'd like to see that I'd like to see it yeah so that will do it for this episode now I think in terms of where we are in sequence next week our Patreon backers get to hear us talk about Jedi Lost Am I correct about that? I don't know about saying next week.

Are we doing a Q&A first? We are, but before this episode airs. Oh, right. So that's what we're just a little bit out of sequence. True. So we're recording this in mid-May, it's worth saying. Right. So we're recording the Q&A next time after the episode that Austin is, did you post it or are you editing it right now?

What? There are an episode out today. Yeah. Okay. episode, now there's a tweet. There's a tweet with an image. Yeah, thank you. Great image.

Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. So the next Q&A is going to be on that, but you'll have already heard it by the time you get to this episode. Right. That Q&A will be out. So then, yes. I don't know for me next week, but this month we're going to do Duke Gen.

I lost. Right. And then we will kick off. Sorry. And then the next thing you're going here on the mainline podcast feed on this feed is going to be us wrapping up season four and kicking off season five with a little oppress arc check it out welcome back savage that's big time it's quite a quite a welcome backing i don't know i feel about it yeah we'll get we'll get to we'll get there we'll get

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Unless somebody wants to Send this a bunch of cash To go like Check out Storytelling It's so expensive It's so expensive It's not something I get ever

Justified They're gonna make it cheaper At some point Right like in like two or three years Also I do feel a little Weirder about it Now that that one little shithead Was like

Ha ha ha I just narked out Chewbacca and I'm like Wait, what happened? That ad for the Star Wars Hotel where it's like The girl boss and girl boss's daughter Being like, ha ha We ran it out Chewbacca to the first order

What if we went And we got put in different factions Right I think you probably get to say We're together as a group But I will say They're together as a group bedding options are terrible, so.

Oh my God, that's right. That is true. We did research that. Wait, isn't there a big, can't you get a big suite? A big starboard suite? You can get, like, four bunk beds. Yeah, you can get a bunk bed. You can either be spouses or children.

Yeah. Imagine if they recreated, like, Padmaid's giant apartment with the balcony, and it was a big suite that you could be in. That would be great. That would be great. I'm looking. I'm not looking. I thought I was looking and then I just got a bunch of HTML

It did not become a proper thing Alright here we go standard cabin I'm gonna link this we're gonna talk through it Are we? No sorry we're not gonna end this podcast yet I'm hungry too But we have work to do standard cabin That's one bed It says it seems 45 passengers Uh huh oh I see it's a queen bed and then two berths

Which are bunk beds one for one adult each And a wall pull down bed And a wall pull down bed and a wall pull down bed for one adult. A.k.a. A. A.k.a. A. A. If sleep. I don't think it's a... I doubt it's a Murphy bed. I bet it's just like a cot that's attached to the wall that you can pull down. For if sleeping five. So they're saying you put five people there. It's two bunk beds, a queen bed, and a... And, uh... So it's two people on the queen bed. One person per bunk bed. And it's a pull-down bed. That's all in the same room, it seems. What's the version of the king, the queen? Okay. Wait, maybe... Yeah, no, that's... Look at this. I'm going to paste this image. Okay, this is the one we need.

This is the one we need. Wait, one second. Okay. You're saying we need the Galaxy Class Suite. No. We need the Grand Captain Suite. We'll get there. We can talk about the Galaxy.

Okay. Do you tell me about the Galaxy Class suite? Sleeps four. One bedroom features a living space complete with an integrated seating area and have all the comforts of standard cabins plus a double vanity bathroom bar area, two windows with views out into. space. They're not real views.

It's a video screen. It looks bad. It looks like trash. We don't know that yet. We haven't been there and seen it with our own eyes. I'll bet it doesn't photograph well. It doesn't photograph. It does a green bed and two wall

pull down beds for one adult. So this is like a couple and two friends situation. I don't think that works for us. It's not going to work for us. Okay, so this has a kitchenette though. There's not the time. I've watched someone's entire experience. I watched Jenny Nicholson, YouTube, went and recorded a Patreon video for it.

And I watched a Patreon video for it. There is not the time to cook at this event. Okay. In either the literal or figurative sense. But like if I walk into my Star Wars Galaxy Class suite, and there's like a curig there and they don't put like a little sticker over it. They've done that. That is okay.

I guess I haven't seen the kitchenette. Okay. So maybe the, I just put all the forks to look weird. Yeah, they do a lot of that is what I will tell you. They do, okay. So then finally, there is the grand captain suite, two bedroom, uh, uh, uh, sleeps eight. The room configuration is two queen beds, two bunk beds, one for, uh, for one adult each, and two wall pull down beds. I guess that's what it, no, see, that's still, there's four of us.

I guess we're sharing rooms I guess we're sharing rooms We're not doing this because it's a billion dollars But like it's a clean bed And a pull-off pull-out Well there's a couch Fold out there is a couch I still think we need more room than this

If somebody had just like A ridiculous amount of disposable income No this is so much money What's for the Grand Captain Sweet running It is It's not easy to check Oh no this is a price on request type situation Well it just it says starting from

And that's not the way to do it Sure So like let's say I'm gonna I'm gonna Let's say the latest date we can go Right? Because they won't let us look next year So let's go here Two night voyage At the very end this calendar show okay can I

Why is it not letting me do this? Is the longest you can go is two nights? That's the longest. Yeah, it's not that you, yeah, 100%. I'm, I can't even get past. Yeah, hold on it. This is a very weird. I'm seeing for four guests per cabin, it starts at about a $6,000 total voyage.

Yeah, but that's, that's, we're five guests. No, we're four guests. We're four guests. Why I want the five-guessed room That's what I'm thinking Yeah You want the eight-passenger room I do

Yeah So that's not going to be that rate So I'd have a claustrophobic episode A hundred percent Rob How much Grand Captain Sweet Real life? Okay here we go Real life pricing

Uh ha ha $12,300 Never in my life Never in my fucking life Here's what we should do we should find like an empty office and just make a galactic escape room and we get our own little funny chairs and our own funny little glasses and we create a narrative experience and you know I think we would do a smashing job at it I think we would do great I think we would do great

I don't say one more thing about this which is I think I haven't seen it with my own eyes I think the set dressing for these rooms, not the dressing, but the, like, the aesthetic is wrong. Yeah. I think the aesthetic is very Star Trek. I think partly that we don't see a lot of luxe areas in Star Wars, and in my mind, Star Wars is not clean white walls. Even the empire where you could get away with clean white walls tend to be clean gray walls and stuff. And so it has never felt, looking at all the footage from Galactic Star Cruiser, has never felt Star Warsy to me.

It's always felt just generic sci-fi walls and, like, starship. Yeah. And I'm not saying I want a messy thing, but, like, I think of the interior of the Millennium Falcon, and it's not this. Mm-hmm. It's not crisp orange pull-out trunks. No. So. No.

I would like to see V2. I would like to go to... Is what I'm saying. Yeah. V2. Mm-hmm. Unless Somebody out there

Like $50,000 No, because I'm gonna use that $15,000. Because no, because we have to book the... No, because we have to book the flight tickets. Yeah. Well, that's the other... Which of us? Also, like, fuck Disney.

If I had $6,000, it could not be going to do. Right. It's true. Right now. Natalie, you've been in the movie game movie business. You know how to like dress sets and have people come through I can craft a little

murder mystery night weekend you can be in charge of making it feel Star Wars and we can create an escape for us that's this is Allie's plan that sounds yeah yeah okay why have it why just have an escape room when you have a like a death on the Nile type situation but like Star Wars

okay night one will be escape room So we're creating This is the thing This is a bed of breakfast now We're going to run a Star Wars Friday breakfast That probably exists It's a bunch of business

It's very funny to think It is Here's what I'll say is I just did a very important search I just search Star Wars LARP You know Yeah

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All right. Near Seattle. Perfect. Go out into the woods. Love it there. Under the woods? It'll be like a, it'll be like a foresty planet. Tickets are going to be probably way cheaper.

I bet they're not asking for $12,000. I would go Larp in the woods for a weekend with y'all. And like we're not going to run into anybody in like a Bart Simpson t-shirt, which is the other half of the galaxy's edge thing. Oh yeah, everyone else is like as bought it as you are. Right. Which is not something that you're going to get at the funny digital zone. Exactly.

I don't know. If you're spending that much money, you've got to, like... Natalie, I just watched this video. I'm like, straight up, Yoda appeared to people from a holocron, and the motherfucker was in a pep... Not Yoda. Yoda wasn't in a Pepsi t-shirt. It would be extremely funny if Yoda showed up and was like, where am I? What a movie?

But it's Disneyland. So what if they were like, Yoda is, like, appearing at the holocawn, but he's like taking a seat out of his Coke? Out of his Coke? I will say, did you have you seen... the Coke cans at the Galactic Star Cruiser. I have, yeah. They have like Star Wars language on them, right? They do. Thank you, Allie.

There it is. And so, like, that's cool to me because of being, my brain being broken. But still. Okay, let's go LARP. So we need a lot more people to rate and review us. $65 to go to Selvirus and the Galaxy Oates Lark for a returning player.

At an MPC, it's free. You could go there and be an MPC for free. I would be such a good MPC. Allie, I'm like taking your hands in mind. You would be the best Star Wars LARP MPC. There's ever been. Thank you. Thank you for that.

There's ever been. Yeah. There's, I mean, like, this fandom experiences exist for, like, even going to... This is my point. If you wanted to go to Gen Con, right? Back when we went, there were people doing Star Wars Jedi yoga. And you would just go there for an hour and do yoga. You can pretend Indianapolis is sort of like Coruscant.

Yeah. Or Pantor or something. I don't know. This is why people pay $15,000 to Disney do this. But I do think the aesthetic's a bit off. It's a bit off. I just think it's for $15,000. It's not even what I imagine Lux being like in Star Wars.

Because like the shit should do. Like you wouldn't catch a dignitary from Nebu on this piece of shit in a million years. They'd be like, A million years. Where are my Rococo touches? This is 100%. Where is the marble? We've seen Mandelor.

This ain't shit. Right. And this is why they're not going to pay us to go. Disney isn't going to invite us to go down there for three days, two nights to do this, because we would trash it. Yeah, we would be like, we wouldn't trash it,

but we would bring a critical eye and also probably talk about how Disney sucks. And I think that that for reasons that are not the reason shitty right-wingers don't like Disney, but for the reasons we don't like Disney, to be clear, 100%. Yeah. Because I know that there's a lot of, like, fucking Florida posturing happening these days, and I don't want to get, I don't want people to think that I'm, like, secretly a Florida GOP or something, but.

Oh, sure, no. No, it's just the, it is just that, uh, it is truly obnoxious that Disney's milk toast progressive posturing has been enough to get them, like, criticized like in right wing circles as like a woke corporation forcing radical values and it's like because of casting decisions and things that are faintly alluded to in the background of scenes of like TV shows fuck that well they're like actively supporting um yeah whilst actively donating to GOP campaigns and and other conservative oh Disney yeah Yeah. Anyway.

Obi-Wan, out later this month. We'll be announcing our LARP meet up soon. I think we would run a great, we'd run it. We wouldn't because we never run one before. But once we knocked out the Kings of running a live event, we'd be great participants. We would be great participants. I would not be a great participant. You could be a good NPC, Rob, too.

Yeah, you could be like a crouchy NBC. So you could like. If we ran it like a big game, like a. Less like a LARP and more like a big, one of those like big strategy diplomacy games. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. You could do that real well, Rob. You know?

That I could. That I could. Maybe we should start small. We should do like a tabletop adventure or something. That seems more reasonable than this. And then just invest in like a really nice, like an Airbnb with a really nice den. Exactly. It's galactic.

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