A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 51: "Daughter of Ferrix" (Andor 11)

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

As Cassian and Melshi put distance between themselves and Narkina 5, the rest of the galaxy spins just thus, aligning such that many of our principal players will wind up together on Ferrix. And those that won't, well, they're busy uh... talking about Trad Chandrillan customs, so, you know, equally as exciting.  Like many of you, we have spent the last ten episodes on the edge of our seats, eager to know what comes next. But with today's episode, written by Tony Gilory and directed by Benjamin Caron, we are a step past eager. We are desperate. Join us in desperation. You can support the show and gain access to a monthly Q&A cast by going to patreon.com/civilized NEXT TIME: Andor Episode 12 (TWELVE. THE SEASON ONE FINALE. AHHHHHH)  Show Notes Shout outs to Chase for this one. Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakney, joined by Alia Kampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. Right now we are continuing with our weekly coverage of Andor before we resume our analysis of the Clone Wars. Supported, as always, by our listeners at patreon.com slash civilized. He's a fucking Jedi. He is a fucking Jedi, he is a Jedi, he is a fucking Jedi, we said it weeks, weeks ago, and confirmed today, last night at, what time did I watch it, 724 Pacific Coast time. I no longer believe that Luton Rail is a Jedi. Oh, what the hell?

Okay, why? Because now you think it's too obvious. Now you think it's too obvious. I think it's too obvious. I think it's too many, it's too, it's all right there. That's not going to be a lightsaber. I mean, we know it's on a light. We know it's a walking stick. And the question is, is it a walking stick that is a modded. It is, it is, okay, this is my call. This is my called shot. He, it, the hilt that we see in this episode. We've seen it before. Yes. Not as. I called it out on the episode and no one said anything. Episode three. If I could go back. If I had time travel, the first thing I was. The first thing I, it was. I, it. It was three. It was three. It was three. It was three. It was three. It was three. It was would do is go back to when we recorded our first episode, episode three, and I would react. I would react. I promise you that. But, but, but, but, but, but this is my call shot. And maybe it's the obvious one. And maybe it's not as fun and surprising as him not being a Jedi. But if I believe it is a modded, he modded his lightsaber hilt to be a walking cane slash knife slash stick thing. Well, that's the, it's the knife. It's the knife. It's the knife.

Did you see the action figure? I can't believe this is part of the movie. No, I got not spoiled, but I did it. I, on purpose, did not go look up. I did not go and look it up. I did not go and see it. That's all I'll say. Did you see the action figure?

People can go look at the action figure and spoil themselves if they want to, but it crossed my feed today. I didn't get the choice to look at the action figure or not. But the action figure makes me imagine a sequence. which swerves us away from lightsaber. But he has a khyber crystal. He has a khyber crystal and he gave it to Kassian. He's got Polkoo's mask.

He's got all sorts of others. He's got, he's got, he's got Gungon's mask. How did he get Polkud's mask? If he's not a Jedi. How? He's got Gungan shields. He ain't a Gungan. Jar Jar was.

A Jedi? This is true. He was. Wow. I'm Jar Jar Jar. Jedi pill, too. Like, why not at this point? Yeah, sure. Sure, sure. Okay,

anyways. Anyways, let's talk about the fucking terribly sad situation that we're about this episode. Who cried? So the episode, before the episode starts, again, the theme has a new variation, and this time there is the ever-present sound of a, it's

not literally a ticking clock, but there's the rhythm of a clock ticking. It's much more percussive than, like, the drums are brought forward way more in this intro. It's like, they sound like bonga. And I go in my mind, I go, oh, is the name

of this episode going to be about drums or about a rhythm or about a clock? And I move my mouse over the screen to pop up the thing in the top left. It'll tell me what the name of the episode is. I go, oh, season one episode 11, daughter of ferrics. And I write down, oh, my God, this title, oh no, Marvin

is going to die. And then almost immediately I write, oh my God, Did she die between episodes? People die. That is what this show has taught us, that people die and it happens and life keeps going. And it's so fucked up

that they did it to us in this way this time, which is... We should do the intro to the episode problem. Rob, have you even said anyone's name yet? Are we just in it? Do we skip? No, we did the intro, but now we're just in it.

Okay. Patreon.com slash civilized. to enable us. Please. So, yeah, Marva's death does sort of provide the framework around this episode. There's really two things that define the action of this episode. Marva's death is the more important element. Her death sets in motion a lot of things around Farix.

We have a large town funeral that is coming up, that the ISB wants to use both as bait and as Dead Romero puts it in a meeting with the ISB agents on scene, she wants it to be a box. She wants it to be a place where she can see the whole town gather and see who shows up for this funeral. Likewise, you know, it is viewed the same way by the rebels. Vell receives word that this has happened from Sinta and has also decided she is going to be there when this funeral occurs because it represents probably the last best chance to figure out what has become of Cassie and Andor And she gets to see her girlfriend, fun bonus.

Good excuse to, yeah, fair, fair, fair. And of course, you know, the less dramatic part is we see the tail end of Andor's escape from Narcina as he's rescued by a pair of friendly fishermen and then returns to his money and his guns. I love those little freaks. No aliens in this show, then this episode happened. I know. I said aliens.

In big caps. So obviously, you know, by the end of the episode, he will receive word of Marva's passing. Hey, Rob, where is he received? What's the subtitle on the screen when he receives the word? Do you remember? Is it waves crashing? It's waves crashing. I have a scheduled tweet that will be live by the time this episode goes live. Also, like it... Looking out at the fucking sunsuit. set it's the shot it's the shot i i water water rob was rob is right rob i've never i rob has

never been more right about anything no one has ever been more right about anything agreed well this this this whole beach honestly by the way it's the it's the most like broad church ass setting uh or or alternately like the dunkirk beach scene in atonement is something that's occurred to me multiple times in this series as he stands at that, like, joyless recreational shore, we received this news. Meanwhile, Bix continues to be tortured in the ISB, in, like, headquarters on Farix. Also receiving word of Marva's passing in the upcoming funeral, Cyril Karn from his former colleague, Sergeant Mosque, who.

Am I reading this right? Is he now just one of the scrappers? He's one of the guys. Yeah. I don't know. You know, either way, Cyril gets news of this, and it is his summons to return to action some fashion or other. So he steals his mom's money, not of her jewelry, but he is in her jewelry box to go and finance. What I presume is a race to Ferrex to be the one who captures cats in a band.

Can you imagine what Dejra is going to, like, how, like, when she sees him on parricks, on ferricks, she's going to shoot him. I am fully, I fully have no idea what is going to happen at this point with what's here. I have to finish this podcast in the episode's not going to be there for us to watch. I know it isn't ever. I know it isn't. I know we haven't ever finished one of these and like, oh, we can go watch the next one because we're doing it live. I need to see it I need to know I need to know right now immediately immediately now anyway anyway the other the other deadline that is fast approaching in this episode is Krieger's doomed raid on the power station at spellhouse

luthan heads out to meet with saw guerrera because saw has decided at the last second he wants in on this It's a decent enough plan. Saw took some Pizos, let me tell you. Saul is up, right. Gone off the Pizos. Saul is outside. Saul is ready to go. Saw is touching grass.

Saul said my name is my name. Like Saw, Saul said we're giving them corners back. And then Luthin is unenthused at the idea, which immediately raises Saw's suspicions, which are immediately confirmed by the fact that when he confronts Luton with his assumption that Luthan has someone inside ISB

and in fact inside every organization it opens a rupture between the two men of distrust but also underscores the degree to which Luton is a hardened pragmatic man and is willing to make these sacrifices and they have an entire exchange about what is the right thing to do here.

This is it. This is how you go from being hardened rebel leader to guy who has a little pet snuff-oompingus that tries to eat people's memories you know you can't trust your own people you can't trust anybody around you the paranoia gets introduced here

meanwhile Val is wrapping up loose ends on Corrassant she passes word to Clea that Marva has passed and that Luthin if he's interested should also view this funeral

as his last chance to figure out what's become of Andor She gets read the riot act by Clea But Claya does pass this information along Vell also has a meeting with Monmathma So much happens in this episode So many things happen We have to stay focused

We have to you know We just have to zero in We can do this We can get through this episode I don't know And so she she talks to Mamma and Manmabma reveals the depths To which she is in deep trouble

over this money laundering issue and how it is potentially about to impact her family. Val does not have much in the way of comfort or solutions to offer, but they do share a moment before Val heads out on this mission. Luton does get the message. I guess we'll get to that scene, but we don't learn anything new in that scene except that Leda is one of the track cats downtown.

Yes. God damn. And of course, We also see Luthan ambushed by an Imperial Patrol and sort of has to break cover with the Fondor. He is caught coming away from the meeting with Saw as he decides that, you know what, he probably is going to go check out Marv's funeral and see what's what. So all the major players are going to be converging back on Farrix, it seems, in the next episode. But first, he has to get out of this jam with the Imperial Patrol, which he does by

revealing his ship is effectively a transformer right what he reveals is he's not it doesn't matter if he's a Jedi or not because he is James Bond he has Jedi he has James fucking Bond he has lightsabers out of his his ship has lightsabers

his ship has fucking two lightsabers bro yeah the camera very specifically doesn't zoom out enough for us to see if they end like lightsabers do they're always touching the end of the screen so we never see if they, if he just has a Darth Maul. Oh, you think they're just going forever?

I think they're laser blasts. They could be those laser blasts. We don't know if they're laser blasts or if he has Darth Maul's lightsaber. There's a thing I will say, though, I think that's a hard weapon system to use if you're not a Jedi. Yeah, 100%. He flies that shit like a Jedi do. Like, there's no gunners. But it's just, they don't aim. I know. The fact that he gets like four kills in a row. He's goaded with the absolute. sauce let me tell you we already knew who the esports star was on the show and it was blevin but it turns out it's it's a darboleutin so it's luthin or it's his cool droid that's built into the ship like shoutouts to that droid which may have been operating

most of the weapons yeah that's possible but that is just about everything that happens in that episode we'll we get to the the the beats here uh speaking of droids i think for me like one of the things that like strikes me about this entire episode that though, is that, you know, so much of Star Wars has been about, like, making the galaxy feel sometimes really, really small, just how fungible time and space are, that communication can be instant. Travel is not really an obstacle, except for those rare times that it is. But this is an episode where, like, unusually for Star Wars,

so much about the friction of communicating across space. It's an episode full of misconnections or half-understood phone calls or people struggling to make themselves heard over, most of the first. literally like, you know, these bad technological, uh, connections, which notably the empire is not afflicted with, you know, the people at the, the loftiest perch in the empire, they have crystal clear instant communication. They don't have, have these struggles. And the episode ends on this note of Melchie trying to figure out how do we get the word out about what has happened on Narcena 5 and places like it. But likewise, you know, you'd also say that

so much of the conversation between Saw and Lutheran are also trying to make themselves understood good. What am I to you? How do you see this? It is sort of the natural extension of their conversation of who are you. Saw gets a clearer view of who Luthan is at this point, but it raises more questions than answers. And I think one of the really signature moments of that conversation is where Saul realizes, why did you even come here? Why are you telling me all this? And does Luthan even have really an answer that's satisfying? He doesn't seem to fully know. Or does he just know exactly how to play Saw? Like, is Luton playing 6D chess in the sense that he is, he has to be completely in control in every single encounter interaction relationship that he has

across the galaxy. Like to me, I read everything seems, it comes off calculated to me, his vulnerabilities, his vulnerability, his vulnerability, to Saw at that time, to him, I think, guaranteed them developing

even a more trustworthy relationship because Saw began, was able to understand something about Lutthin that he wasn't before. I don't know. The thing that's, that was revealed to me

in that scene is that, like, like, Luton is revealing that Saw is even more of a liability. like when he's like he hasn't seen my face so he's not as vulnerable like does that mean that like the people that people of the people that luthen have met like are immediately on the kill list if they're in this situation and like to say that to saw's face is not like a bringing you in sort of moment it's a sort of like yeah this is the distance that I hold you at

yeah because he is you know Cassie in his seen his face and and knows the Fondor, and that's all he knows, right? But I guess he knows he's like a funder. Saul knows so much more than even that. It makes Saul that much more of a, I think he's had a liability. We should wait to go deep until we get there. So I think, you know, first, I'd actually just love to handle Cassie and Melschie's escape from Narkina in the scene with the fisherman.

We have the bit on the cliff's edge where Melchie is like convinced he just can't hang on anymore. Water below them again. Can't stop seeing it. Cassian's mother is dead on another planet and when she dies, he's hanging by his fingernails above an abyss of water, you know? I do have to say, I appreciate that the very first scene of this episode was Cassian Melsie, because if that had been like a late episode reveal, I would have been like, where is he? Is everything okay? Or they will. And I just love that little beat of the exchange where, uh, You know, I mean, there's almost like, it's deer hunter-esque in some ways as Malshi's like, I can't, I can't do this.

I can't climb. Do you understand? Like, I'm just spent. And stop telling me that the reconnaissance flight is about to leave. The Imperials are almost gone because I know it's not true. You've been saying that forever. And then at the end, he wants to lie again. He needs it.

Tell me again. Tell me they're leaving. Yeah. And Cassian feeds it to him. And then that sets up their escape when they come across the fisherman, sort of, you know, in this quarried out pond, basically. Looking, looking for fish, Melchie, desperate to escape,

is like, I'm just going to boost their car right now. It just takes off running. He is not a thief like Andor. He sees the escape. He just runs for it. They both take up bolting. I just love the reaction from the aliens who just stand there and watch, which is your tell that this is about to go real, real bad.

Because they're not even, not even concerned that those guys are making for their for their little spaceship they hit their little their little web launchers and immediately cocoon these dudes and we get a really interesting scene as and or thinks he needs to frantically negotiate a way out of this like figure out a way to fast talk and explain uh like make some sort of offer to avoid being basically turned in for the reward money because the more loquacious of the two fishermen

does spell out. He knows of the reward. He knows of the escape. Moisey moire. Prison here. Escapers. 2.2. A thousand each the offer be. One for each of us, greedy. That are fishing on land

these times here. Kill thou water then, here. What? Not much squiggly now. What much left? We meant you, no harm. We kill nothing! Nothing!

Prison done it. Spoil our water. All our water. Hey, Friddy. No biggy dinner tonight, like pastime, so, Fridie? Yeah, water spoil here and far. All your scovined prison. That's the Empire! We were trapped! We were trapped there! It's their prison!

Oh, always the Empire, here. What? What is he saying? What is he saying? He see a lie more dead, the upper nose. Two years, we're not. No, no, no, let's talk, let's talk. Hang on.

Kill anyone, they would. Kill the water, kill the Spriglies. They're not a snod who they kill, heya. God the empire, ain't not be killing ye, nay a today. Why is to be jumping quickly, though? Where are you looking to run now, eh? Niamos? Oh.

Niamos. These are people from Narkina 5, we should say. The subtitle says they're speaking Narkinian. This is their local fishing reservoir or, or lake or whatever that has been ruined by the construction of the imperial prison here and and there's a minute where you're like oh they're done they're done this is the most Tolkienesque scene too by the way this is just a thousand each the offer be one for each of us they sound like pirates right there's wising me he says

not much squiggly now yeah it's so good good. They're big. They're bulbous. They got these cool cyber eye things going on. It's just the one who just grunts back in Narkini and who isn't speaking human. Friety. Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, they're so good. I love them. And in fact, it turns out Andor has been afraid of this outcome has been winding up some sort of desperate sales pitch. We hasn't needed to. What the guy's been working his way around to is that, yeah, I hate the empire. And if the Empire wants you, I'm not giving you up. And so they, they, you know, retracted netting.

This part busted me up. The part where, like, so where are, like, why is to be jumping quickly, though, where you'd be looking to run now, hey? It's so good. And of course. And, or things is Niyamos, and they both start laughing. Yeah. Yeah, we know Niyamos.

They've been to Niyamos before, you know. They love Niamos. They fish on Niamos. Almost, you know? 100%. Oh, and their Pazas, do you think they prefer?

Oh, my God. I bet they're, they like the greenie. They're definitely greenies. Greenies are just top tier. Top tier pizzas. They're quad jumper space truck that almost just like

falls into the lake as they try to take off. Oh, the little bit of like it looks like almost as a wet start too where the fuel that lights up outside the engine gets coughed out and then burned by the igniting engines.

It's so good. It's so. good. It has like propellers on the front. It's such a good design. It barely gets off the ground. I love it. I love everything about this. When Melchie asks him he asks Andor when they first see it, he's like, can you fly this thing? And he's like,

it's very old. It's so good. It's so good. It was some much needed comic relief after the intensity of the past few episodes. And much needed aliens. Like that little that little note of yeah these guys know the score that like these are people who the empire

made enemies of them probably barely even acknowledges they're around but it's like this this sense of the empire's made mortal enemies of them because just the the wasted byproduct of this prison being here and having affected the ecosystem has like not ruined their way of life but made it much much harder and they can sort of see the the land being poisoned and and the maybe the end of the planet as they have known it. And so, again, without even being aware of it, the empire has created enemies. And just has not felt the need to take note of that,

but it is, this is the vector through which Andor makes this escape. No biggie dinner tonight, like pastimes, eh, frey? No biggie dinner tonight. I love them. This is the big the cat of the Star Wars universe. You're right. Which is a compliment. For people who don't know.

An extreme compliment. But this is big to Kent Froggy. You're right. This is what we're viewing here. Yeah. Uh-huh. It's all right here. You're right.

Shoutouts. So yeah, make it out. I've also, I've also mentioned every time I see B, I burst into tears. And do we not want to, we'll save the cap off for, for, for, we'll save the end. Yeah. But the next bit, it was just like being stabbed in the heart repeatedly. Like opening. on such a tight close-up of B's little orange eye

that we don't even know what we're looking at fully. But we just hear, we just hear the voices of the women in the room where Marva has been dying. Sort of talking over, we need to burn the sheets, you know, that all of this is then and we see the droid begin to tremble. And, you know, this scene is brutal. I was sobbing.

It starts to, it starts to shake when And someone says, B2. Emo starts to shake when someone says, what about the droid? And it's like, in my mind, this was the first time that B2 Emo had thought about himself. Do you know what I mean? He'd been so focused on Marva and is Marva okay? Where is Cassian? And someone says, what about the droid? And it's like, it hits him that his whole way of life, that he's alone and his whole way of life has to change.

And he doesn't want to confront it and just start shaking and I want to hug him. He says, I don't want to be alone. I want Marva and I am going to die. The way that the... Have we... What? Have we ever seen a droid get to have emotional... Besides C3PO being afraid.

We get C3PO afraid a lot in Star Wars. Yeah. And we get R2 heroic. It is. Have we ever gotten like the interior... And I think that there is a way in which some people might view this, my enemies, might view this as comic relief.

Oh, this little stupid droid, just a droid. You know what? Like, those people exist. Those people are out there. They're terrible people, and they should not associate with me in any manner. Get out of my fucking city. But they, but, but, but I don't know the last time I've ever, I've seen a droid. I've seen, you know, R2G2 goes like, boopo.

Like, he can be sad, but this is a different level of droid, you know, internality, right? There's something happening here. And Solichford is also just about the way the people interact with the droid. Like, this is a relationship with droids we haven't seen other places in Star Wars because, like, thank God Brassos there, by the way, who figures out that, like, what B. B. B.2 is going through. And he figures out the best thing he can do is to give B.2M.A. a task, a way to be helpful. And so he's like, you've got a very big responsibility to help. Jesse and the Daughter's affairs because there's so much to be done. And Jesse, too, doesn't view it as a joke that, like, Jeffie. to reassure this this droid she too like gives him the pitch of like yeah you know we really we all got to pitch in to get through this we need your help uh and you know i think later this is going to be reiterated when might as well deal with it uh i think here as well where brasso comes back during the night to be like you've got a you got to come back to my place and b begs him

like can i just stay here you know why can't you stay here i'm still charging i still have more And it's a little dogbed charger. It's a little dogbed charger. And he's not charging. Well, you can see the bar. That's like a charging meter on the door. And it's like full. Yeah.

He's depressed because of Marva being dead. Like, extremely fair. And Brasso agrees to stay the night, which is so good and kind. And you got to be there sometimes for your droids. You do. Also, as they, as they carry Marva, out in that first scene the detail of...

Literally, just does underscore this a little bit, right? Like, we basically never see anyone in this world to treat droids as anything other than laborers that they could deploy. And then you get to be happy about whether they did a good job or frustrated when they fuck it up. But literally, I, I struggle again. There are episodes where people are R2's gone missing.

We got to get them back. And often those are tied to like, because he knows all the plans because Anakin doesn't wipe his memory or because he has something important and he's done some whatever but yeah it's his value there B2 emo doesn't have that type of value

anymore right he is an old dog right uh which also like we've talked a lot about Star Wars and disability here right but like B2 emo has problems charging needs big charges to have access to his full memory core etc you can do a disability reading here

And, you know, the world state of Star Wars is one in which if a droid has, if a droid does not function, quote unquote, to maximum, you know, normative spec, wipe its memory, fix it up, get rid of it, or replace it, right, in some way, or at least replace its parts. And so the fact that here we see a character who's not only like, I care about this droid in this droid's emotional state, but also whose first recourse isn't replacement or, you know, repair is a very complex thing. in which, like, yes, medical conditions deserve to have, people who have medical conditions should have access to medicine and care, but there's a different sort of emotional care that we never see offered or rarely see offered here, and it is here. And so that's, I just think it's really worth calling out that they found the space for that here. And the fact that it seems like community-wide, like it's different. Like, Ferris is a place where this, this, this treatment of droids does not seem, they have a different relationship with droids here.

Maybe it's just this droid, but it feels like just more broad. The way Margo immediately in that first trio of episodes where they're like threatening the droid And she's like, these cops can't do that Like don't worry, B, they're not allowed to treat you that way And again, that's still all wrapped up in some shit Yes, but it's also the first time in Star Wars We've been like, hey, no, hang on, he's got rights

Like, it's the first time we've heard that Where somebody's like, B, it's shut the fuck up Friday You don't have to tell them shit Like, that's the first time we've like seen droids Treated that way And yeah, the fact that Brock also looks cornered, like this is not a solution long term, but yes, he's going to stay the night with B. And then hopefully bring him, right? Because the initial thing is, like, come with me

to my place. And because I don't want to leave you alone. Marva wouldn't like me leaving you alone. And so I'm honoring her as much as I'm honoring your personhood, right? But like, but it is. You know, he doesn't say, well, you're just a joy. Bye. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Like he's willing to stay He's got work in the morning He's going to stay at Marva's home If Brasor dies Austin I think they all might be dead

Bro Like I think something real bad is coming on Derek's too We're on like bloody Sunday situation We're like right there We're right there Like I do not I think this is

I did not expect a triumphant Like escape from Narcina ask payoff to all this next episode. But, no, I mean, I couldn't help but think, like, as they're clearing at the house and Brasso was back there, you know, you think about, you know, is this the space where, like, you know, as kids, they played together, you know, because Andor shows up. There's a similar age to Brasso. Like, it's, you know, we see this, how tied together this community is. And you get that sense of gravity and also tradition when they show up with a mining cart. They don't have

curses, but they've just got the little cart that takes the workers, but they've wrapped it in their little garlands. Such a good little detail, but also crucially in this moment, we see Sinta clearing tables, the coffee shopper she's working, but she stops, and she folds her hands and, like, watches the cart pass solemnly. The ISB agent inside is just casually slamming his espresso as it goes by. And it's, like, the key thing here is, they're both undercover. Sinta understands how to.

to be undercover in a space like this, understand what this moment requires and what it takes to look normal in this space. You have to, like, treat this moment with gravity. This dude's like, what's going on? What's going on over here? Backward, backward Yankee cab, no funny shit. Like, he's just 100%.

It's just, it's so obvious. It's embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. I just, I hope to dear God that Sinta stays, I mean, Sinta has to know that. Sinta knows. I think Sinta knows, I think Sinta reads him immediately. I don't know.

She read him in the last episode. She saw him. And so when he's being like, so you know what's going on? She's like, I just started working here myself. And she's still sizing him up and figuring out how to work it. So, yeah, I think Sinta is well ahead of this game. My fear, my fear is that he is going to take a special interest in her, not for like a totally unrelated reason. Like, because he's like, I don't know.

she just is like crushing on her or something and he's gonna like stick too close to Sinta for like the wrong reason and it's gonna fuck something up next episode. So the thing that I'm confident though is like I do believe Skeen when he's like she's the hardest one of any of us

like I think if he is a problem I think he's just gonna get his throat cut ear to ear and be dumped somewhere. I think she has 12 corpses in the back room like she looks like a hip man level gone wrong wherever she's staying right now like True.

Yeah, I think of her of it. If she does it, it will feel ridiculous that this dude got to draw. I mean, you're right. It could just be chaos. It could just be his presence throws a wrench in. I get it. Right, right. Yeah.

I also wanted to call out one detail in this scene before we move on, which is the glass that's sitting on top of V2 emo's head. When there's like a close-up on it where it, feels like a tear-filled eye. Yeah. And it's just such a, like, humanizing the lens of the droid's eye or whatever in this way. You're totally right. It's, I thought, I was like, oh, do they? Yes.

It's like while he's shaking and it feels like an eye welling up. And then, you know, we cut out and realized that it's a cup sitting on top. But it's the same transparent liquid and the orange that looks. like the light inside of, yeah, 100%. That's totally what's being a vote, you nailed it. Thanks. Good show. Who's, you know, great show. What are you talking about?

The other thing is, you know, we see Dedra being informed of the funeral and the prefect is, you know, again, just the emptiest shirt in this entire show, you know, talking about, they're asking for a permit, well, of course, deny it. They're complying their little list of grievances.

Like, in the background, irrespective of what is happening, this dude is slowly pissing people off and, like, would eventually be a problem, I think, for the empire on Farrex, even if all hell were not to be about to break loose. But, Dead Rover rules him, she, you know, she's like, I want the funeral to happen. It's a big box where you can put people. But she asked a question about the timing, and there's the ISB guy on Farrix who has, like, some sort of northern accent, it sounds like.

and maybe he's the dude that mosque refers to later as someone from the old office but he informs, he explains, he understands the local custom about the two days observance than the burial and he talks through the burial custom that they have

that are mixed into mortar and become brick and, you know, DeadRud doesn't get it like and then what do they do? And he kind of looks confused and says they put you in a wall. They find you in a wall.

And what's interesting, interesting here is like I don't she doesn't she doesn't get the metaphor you know what I mean she doesn't understand from like she doesn't it doesn't read to her she doesn't just like Cyril not listening yes yes yes like I just don't and again maybe this reflects the story we haven't heard about where she came from you know I think we do a lot of saying there are ways in which she feels like what if Cyril got the break that he wanted and you can imagine Cyril wouldn't get this either. Cyril doesn't seem like someone who has that relationship to community or that relationship to metaphor, frankly, right? It's alien to her that people would

do this and see it as being meaningful and being about, being representative of what the community is, right? And it's so in line with so many other metaphors and symbols of the community, the bells, everybody ringing things, the wall of gloves. Like this is a place of like collective labor, you know, as a core identity. And like we're building stuff here. We're taking things apart. Well, what do we do? We salvage.

We take what's there. We break it down. We make it usable again. Why wouldn't that extend to their, to their death rituals, right? Their funerary rights. Well, and I don't think, I don't think this like random, like local cop who's been sort of brought into the ISB. I don't know that he's like, I'm not saying he's their positioned as like, well, they're not all bad or they all don't get it. But like, he does seem more local and more understanding of the customs and what they signify.

And I do think there is a warning hidden in some of this that is being overlooked. And I don't think the warning is like, hey, don't fuck with his funeral, it's dangerous. I think the warning is deeper of like, there's an episode of the Sopranos actually where Tony gets involved with some Orthodox Jewish gangsters. And, like, you know, his right-hand advisors, like, do not get involved in this business. You do not understand these people. They, like, they do not, like, make the same value judgments the way that you do. They are motivated by things that you do not fully comprehend. Stay away.

And, of course, he doesn't, and all hell breaks loose, because, indeed, there are deeper waters here than he understands. I think there's some of that warning here of this is how these people conceptualize like death and community and how these things and how these things are processed. But I also do wonder, you know, is he also once again, are we seeing the same thing repeating of it's people just like this who try to warn Cyril, don't go to Farix and like raid that town. It's just going to go bad. Once again, he's sort of trying to clue her in. And later, he's the guy who's interrogating Bix.

he's been told to ask about, they've got a picture of Anto, Anto Krieger, who is a big boy. I wanted her to just be like, yeah. Well, but he's telling, he's telling Bix, you know, if I don't believe you're telling me the truth, I have to go get Dr. Gorn. And I don't know if this guy has, again,

I'm not saying he's being positioned as secretly, like the good guy or like a future Lieutenant Gorn, not Dr. Gors, Gors, Dr. Gorsed. And it was Lieutenant Gorn. I don't know that he's been in possession as a future, like, Lieutenant Goren type. But there's this moment where he realizes that, like, they've broken Bix. She doesn't even know how to respond. She doesn't even know, like, should she lie?

What even, like, what are they looking for from her? What is the thing to do? And he waits for her to respond. And you sort of see this moment where his, like, face sort of falls. As you realize, it's, like, the pointlessness of this exercise. There's going to be, she can't answer. Turns out torture doesn't work the way you hope it does, right? And he's just inherited that.

of Dedra Debra gave the orders to have this like sadist turned loose on her and now once again they need information from her and it's too late they've they've inflicted too much damage You should know this is not Tigo The guy who is interviewing her post-torture

Is not the the not the em What's the the the prefect? The prefect of the place The viceroy of the place or whatever He is the he's just a lieutenant or something right or a sergeant. Just want to make sure people listening didn't get that. Yeah, prefect is still the douchey. He's Tico who sucks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really quick to go back to that core thing of, this is someone on the ground who understands that things work differently here. And like Karn, Dedra is far away looking in. And I think the core thing that both Karn and Dedra, and more widely, the empire, don't understand, is that things can move bottom. up and not just top down.

They have a sort of imperial logic in mind. It's how Deirdre's entire scheme works, which is there is one guy named Axis, and he's at the center of it all, and he's making moves on a chessboard. People out there in the world have, have there's a leader, and the leader makes calls, and then things follow from that. And there are leaders, and there are people who are important to be clear. but what feels like they don't get is that things can bubble up. She wants to put them in a box so that Ander will pop up

or so that a leader will pop up, so that Axis will pop up. But what she can't imagine, which is like one of the messages of the show going back to the beginning, is that there could potentially be an organic resistance that bubbles up. Go back to think about the way that they... Go ahead. Or just that people are working independently of each other, that people are being inspired to resist or rebel independently of some larger.

You don't need a figurehead uniting the galaxy in order. I think this is core to the philosophy of this show is, again, Nebik says it's elemental. It's so easy to hold. Brasso destroys the ship in episode three. No one told Brasso to do that, right? And when they report it, they say, oh, the R2 suspects. had other people in the town. They didn't. This is just, this did happen because people were aligned and fundamentally agreed upon, you know, what was the best thing for pharix in that moment.

And it's impossible for the empire and for the imperial imagination to bring that into, they can't think about it. They can't imagine it, right? And I think this is what's going to bite them in the ass here. I mean, you're right. I think it's going to go really bad on pharix. But I think that they will not be prepared for how bad it might be for them, right? I guess since it touches on Mosque, we'll skip ahead because I want to, on Farix, we'll skip ahead briefly, just like by a scene, to Cyril getting a call to his apartment, well, to his mom's apartment in the middle of the night. And this call. This is such a, yes. Her showing up at the door.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's like her, yes, her just like a specter. lurking in the background or a nightgown as he stands next to this little uh almost like a buzzer you know interface and it's just so funny because mosk cannot hear a single thing cyril is saying he continually misunderstands uh it is it is a it is such a fragmented exchange but also what's so funny is it appears that they basically ruined mosque's life in some ways he went from being clean-cut

sergeant of Primor security and now it looks like he's like working night shift in a refinery just definitely noise all the time and even now he sort of he sort of tells Cyril

it's been a bit rugged for me lately which I have a strong suspicion wild understatement I suspect it's been more than a bit rugged like he looks tattered it looks bad that job looks bad and even now he's like but marching onward it's it's kind of like he's still eating boot he was the boot and he's still he's still licking it well he's still on morlana one i i have to imagine

he's he's from like maybe from morlana or like has like has been there for a long time because he has like this pride when he says yeah i'm still on morlana one Working at a smelter, like, bruh, like, there's like, it sounds like big saws and big noise and clangs and going on behind him. And he keeps looking behind him to see, oh, like. And he's been in line for the call, for the phone. They have one phone. They can take a break and make a phone call. And he's apparently been in line for it for a minute and finally gets access.

God, this reminds me, like, I've seen one write-up of Michael Clayton. which is that it's like one of the last movies made before smartphones take over everything and entire plot devices disappear because like there is no concept of like waiting for the phone or like missing a message

because everything is instantaneous but like the production team for Andor is like pay phones you know it was a great narrative device pay phones, bad connections that's right God it's so funny fucking

Go ahead. That's what really gets me in the scene, though, because, like, I, is it, like, a situation where Mosque is an annoying enough person to, like, FaceTime when it should have been a text? Or is it that, like, card was, like, here's by Bob's phone number, because it's, like, a wealth thing because they only have, like, one communication device in the house or, like, what were the logistics of the communication here? Yeah, I don't think he has a phone. I don't think he has his own number or his email. He asked for his own phone line, but was denied. Like, if anyone wants to talk to you, they can talk to me. Right.

Uh-huh. We can run an extra line in to your room if you want, but it'll be on the same line. It'll be on the same number. And he knows she'll just listen in. So he's like, fuck it. I'll just go out into the living room and take the call there. You know? Him, him, Karn, starting to like tinker with the knobs and stuff to try to dial it in more.

I'm like screaming at my TV. I'm like, it was in. Stop touching it. You can't get it better. You're only going to make it worse. And also, like, it's so sad, like, that in a weird way, Mosque is his only friend in the galaxy.

He's the only person who's still thinking of him at all. Yep. And only in the context of this case, maybe, but, like, he's the only person who's checked in on him and, like, hope you're doing all right, you know. Sorry for calling the family home so late. Yeah, it is. It's so funny.

Because it's like, it's almost like, do you, I get the impression that there was a conversation before this where Karne was like, yeah, you know, I'm checking in with my mom. I'm going to stay here with her because she likes to have someone around. I feel like he put on airs in the previous conversation. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think I'm going to go back to Coruscant for a little while just to see the family and, you know, just check in. But if you hear anything about this Andor guy, I want you to call me right away. And maybe even like once we get this sorted out with Andor, like I'll bring you in. I'll bring you in. Yeah. I get the impression that Mosque is like, oh, that Karn, living on Khorisat, you know, that's where the action really happens at the core of the Gallic, you know what I mean? Like, in my mind, he literally thinks, still looks up to Karn. Yeah, when he calls him, he's like, he says like, I think he calls him, sir.

Yeah, he's like, sir, is that you, sir? Sir. Reporting it, sir General Karn And then after that whole exchange the way His mom just cuts him down Well, watching his mom Watch him be like, yes, hello, Sergeant

Sir, sir, I'm like You are watching your son Rollplay, like you're watching your son Have imaginary friends and play like Storm Troopers as, or clone troopers as kids Like, you've seen this scene before.

It's so embarrassing, dude. The mystery of your former triumphs have been vanquished. I can sleep peacefully now. I hate E.E. so much. But I love her. I love her. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

What she is saying is like, you didn't go off and live some fancy life. You were just a little play and pretend. You were just a little more. Lucille Bluth tier. Of just like, terrible destructive mob. It's just like, yeah, all the stories, like all of the bragging and all of the accolades and triumphs and everything. I see exactly, exactly what you were doing on Morlana 1. But what sucks is it's that he wasn't necessarily, he wasn't that wrong.

He overstepped. But like he did have this position. He did solve a case that should not have been solved. He botched it, but like... Karn Truther, Rob Zakeney, has logged on. No, but it's just like the relentless, like you're nothing, that like the thing, aren't you lucky I was here to give you this dog shit job in the Standards Bureau that conforms perfectly with my low opinion of you? Like, it is, like, it is so brutal. And so there's a little part of me, it's like, yes, Karn, steal her wallet, you need to get out of here.

steal mummy's cash. Now, it might be, now all that's waiting for you might be a bullet in a crossfire on pharynx. It might be a taser that dead red jams in your throat the minute you come within like three feet

of her. But it's better than this. You know, you should take the jewelry too, but I understand that... I have to say, Edie's got some got some drip in the drawers. Like,

She had... You think Uncle Harlow provided those? Where do you think those came from? Sweet Uncle Harlow. God damn, I want to meet Uncle Harlow. No bad. But also that feels so much like... I mean, shit, this was like...

This was my grandma in some ways of like... Never wore jewelry. Yep. Had jewelry. Yeah. Uh-huh. It was never the right occasion to bring it out. No.

You know? But you knew where it was and she likes her pour over it sometimes. Like all the beautiful little treasures that, yes, there was never the occasion. and never anyone to impress but like it was very pointed to have a jewelry box and Edie is has that vibe

or maybe they're all gifts from Uncle Harlow but she can never wear them because if she wore them people would question where did you get where could you possibly get these jewels and she would have to what would she say? She couldn't say Uncle Harlow

because they have a forbidden love that nobody knows about and Uncle Harlow is really Papa Harlow in his Karin's father Father, yeah. That's my theory. I do have an extreme bone to pick with the show. Of all the scenes that I have wanted and have been denied in this show,

I think that we should have had Edy with the grocery store clerk the next day being like, you cannot believe it. My son got to call at 2 a.m. Obviously, I look stressed today. You can't understand what he's doing. People piling up behind her. in the line trying to check out and she's like going on and on and on

her wallet's empty the cash has gone from she goes to pay and there's nothing in her wallet it's so just like there used to be the tales from the Empire Tales from the Las Isley Cantina tales from Edie's hairdresser like an entire anthology series

like fucking what's that what's that fucking it's based on a manga Midnight Diner or whatever but like that but it's Edy's hairdresser and it's just like, you know, every, every afternoon

Edy comes in and tells me of her troubles. I love this. I'd watch it. I'd watch it in a heartbeat. Grogu and the Dust Bunny's who? I don't care. I don't. Oh, I forgot about that. I said I'd watch that. Wild, how none of us watch that. Three minutes.

What if you would have been watch it short. Fuck this short. For children. I'm, you know. Three minutes long and You know Grogu don't want that smoke I you know I love Grogu I'll defend him

He can eat as many little eggs as he wants That little frog freak Is my son They're an endangered sentient species It's just like Oh Like that's a future Rama episode Just happening

God damn That was so crazy of him to do that Shows He would get cancelled today If he Roku is Hands You don't want to know what they're saying

on Star Wars Twitter about Grogu. Screen rant 25 times Grogu was secretly dark-sighted. I think it's the tweet about the alligator and the white kid. Whoa, cater! Whoa, cater!

Oh my God. I believe there's probably some Darth Darth Grogu theories using just the eggs as material. People who don't understand our references need to understand that we are too online. Don't worry about it. None of it's important. If you don't understand, you're in a better place than we are.

Yes, but I do think you should understand. There was a woke gator tweet where someone basically responding to a story of a child being eaten by a wild gator on a Disney park property or one, somebody responded to this news with, I am so over I feel bad for that kid, but I'm so over

what is, like, bad things, like, so over having sympathy for a situation to come from a man not listening to instructions or something. It was, it's terrific. It was the most unhinged reaction. His daddy ignored signs.

That toddler had it coming. Bro. God damn. Anyway. Anyway. Those little eggs had it coming. So. Fuck them eggs.

Fuck them eggs. Michael Jordan image. So we got a lot happening on Corson. For one thing, Clea is losing her shit. That is, Clea has had it up to here with trying to hold this together. She sees Val appear at her door and just lets her wait out there until it's clear that Val's actually going to do this.

Vell's actually going to come in here and use her position as Mamadma's cousin to have some bullshit justification to be here, but she shouldn't be here. And Vell, like, you know, Clea reiterates this multiple times as Vell demands, like, word be passed to Luthon. She's, she knows he's not there. She knows the Fondor is gone. Everything she says just raises Claya's alarm level more as Vell is going places. She should not be going.

she's acting in ways she should not be observed to be acting right well val is is fully mask off she's straight up just not not not uh disguising her her speech or or you know intentions at all claya's responding with well we're out of stock on that one but if i can if i can get you something else i'm sure i would like are we alone just fucking shut the Shut up. Shut up right now. Please. And for why?

To be like, oh, I'm leaving. Leave. Like, come on. All right. Peace. You're a spy. Go do spy shit. And there's a super strange dynamic between Val and Clea that is like, it's competitive.

There. Oh, yeah. Vell is getting increasingly agitated and is confronting, um, claya and almost cornering her. in demanding she sees Luthin. And Clea responds with, We have rules for a reason. You don't seem to understand that.

I sent up a flag this morning. We would have seen it tomorrow. We. The Fondor's gone. Check the back on the way in. Everything you're doing right now is wrong. Tomorrow is too late. Where is he?

You're off the rails. You're lucky he's not here. I gave him al-Darney. What have you done lately? I don't have lately. I have a constant blur of plates spinning and knives on the floor and needy panicked faces at the window of which you are but one of many. What information?

I'll make sure he knows where it came from. Cassie and Andor, the mother died. I'm leaving in the morning. Centre says it's very busy though. I'll let him know Do that She is Tight

She is ready to go And I do love that tension And it must suck to be Clay here And know that like this whole thing would spin off the axis without you No point intended with access But the the the the you don't get the big win you don't get the super bowl trophy you don't get the

al-dani score luthin might not even get that i mean everyone holds luthin in in a certain regard like those in the know but claya is even more hidden than luthin right in a way doesn't like it's funny you know luthin deals that whole speech and he says no last episode which by the way, did you see that great, that great quote from an interview with, I don't remember it was Tony if it was with the director of Toby Haynes or what, but Luton apparently, her Scarsgaard did a couple of great takes and then came over and was like, did I share this? I don't think so. Okay, let me, this is from the ringer, which again, shout out to the ringer verse for

shouting us out a few episodes ago. This is from an interview with Toby Haynes by Ben Lindberg Q&A and or director Toby Haynes on Star Wars, speeches, prisons, and callbacks. Toby says, with the Stellan speech, that was really interesting. Again, Stellan had been building up to this speech throughout the whole season. I think he'd been in conversation with Tony during the writing of it and had a really clear take. Stellan is one of the cinema's great powerhouse actors.

He's an intellectual Goliath, and I would have felt intimidated. working with still and if it wasn't for the fact that he's so joyous to work with so there's a real imp in him he loves to have fun he loves to enjoy himself but then uh but then gets serious so quickly so when the cameras are rolling the place that he goes to was absolutely incredible he took about three or four takes and i think maybe take five we found something that was really working and he delivered it and he got to the end of it he was really pleased with it he had all the power it had all the power it had all the rage there it was the emotion but there was something that was bothering me about it there was something that wasn't quite landing.

And usually as a director, you don't have a long time to think about what might be bothering you at the back of your mind. You've as long as it takes to walk to the actor from the monitor, so that's like five paces. You've got five paces to think about what you're going to say before you're standing in front of Stellan Scarsguard to say something intelligent to him. I remember walking from the monitors thinking, what am I going to say, what am I going to say? And then I realized what it was, and I stood in front of him. And I realized, we got it, but it felt like a speech.

It felt like a big speech. And I said to him, I said, it's absolutely great, but it feels like a speech. And he went, oh, my God, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. And then he did three more takes, and it had all the spontaneity, had so much more emotion. We really didn't know whether he'd lost his way in the speech. It just felt like he was actually saying it for the first time.

And we were just lucky enough to film it. In that speech, you know, he lists all his great sacrifices. And one of them is that, like, there is no parade for me. There's no one who can appreciate my hard work, which one is true but not true, because you have surrounded yourself with comrades who are supposed to be doing that and who do do that, right, to some degree. Like, I don't think that Clea is not, is not, you know, respecting the work he's given, but she is in the same position, except she doesn't even get to go meet Saul Guerrera. She doesn't even get to, you know what I mean, so. And Luton calls out, like, that his ego that craves that. There is, like, it is not totally divorced.

There's a, there's a mean, there's a mean motivation for it. And Clea has that amped up even higher Because as we've talked about It has been unclear to us even Who's actually running this operation in some ways Her job appears to be making hard calls That Luthan shrinks from To urge him to do the smart thing

And not the thing maybe he is pulled towards And so a lot of her job is also to be the person who says no Like a huge part of her job Lutthin gets to go and like cut deals And like you know green light the big big the big mission and claya has to be the person in the background being like don't answer that phone don't respond to this person don't do this and here's val putting herself in a position to have to confront face to face like this is why this is exactly the sort of thing i try to avoid professionally

and val is is forcing this issue uh and really in a lot of ways acting like the rich kid that she is uh you know who do you think you are i gave him that al-dani like there's there's a degree of You know, they're not going to see eye to eye because Val's out in the field doing all this shit and, like, lives a more stressful, terrifying life. But there's also a degree of, like, you're the help that I think Clea just, like, goes ballistic at and tries to get this, get across, like, understand where you are in this hierarchy. You're one person among many that we deal with. Yeah, great scene. Great sequence. Unbelievable.

I think, you know, it's maybe not the best, the best. Actually, real quick, because I'm curious about this. What do you think Val wants out of this at this point? Like, like, I'm genuinely curious, what exactly is she so heated about regarding this funeral? Like, I know that they're all concerned about, like, the whereabouts of Andor, and this may be our last chance to, like, know where he is at. But Sinta's there. You know what I mean? She's going to – it reads – you're right. What does she want from needing to talk to – why does this message need to go into Luton? I think partly because, yes, Andor is there, and she wants Luton to know that she's gathered some information for him. But I do wonder if she's going partly because Sinta is there and knows that chaos could follow and, like, wants to make sure Sinta's okay.

But I don't know. It feels irresponsible. It feels irresponsible. Yeah. It feels so irresponsible. Go ahead. You explain. It just feels so irresponsible for her to go. It seems like they have to know how closely this is going to be watched by the ISB. They have to know that this is a huge risk for Vell to show, for any, anyone to show, anyone that shows up on pharix around the time of this funeral is going to be under immense scrutiny, especially because this is a heavily local to Ferrix. It's not like you can use an excuse of, oh, people from off planet, like some, this is, this is a celebrity. Marva is like a local, you know, personally is important to the local community, but Vell doesn't have any relationship to that.

I almost felt like, I was like, why isn't Claya buying time here? Like, why isn't Claya stopping Vell from going on what has to be a doomed mission affair? Like, it just seems so ill-advised for Vell to go. other than the fact that, like, yeah, Sinta will probably need backup, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's her mission to go get and kill Cassian, right? So, like, in that regard, she is following orders, but I think she is, I guess that's the fear. The fear is Cassian gets picked up here and turns everybody out. You know, I'll tell, I'll say this, Andrew doesn't know Clay's face, Andrew knows Vell's face, Andrew knows Vell's name.

And Vell's name seems to be Vell, by the way. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Which I would not have used, personally speaking. I would have had a pseudonym, a nom de Gehr, the way that he did. He had Clem, you know? It's a great point. They know that it's.

So I think to some degree, I think it's valid for her to just be like, we got to get this guy. Because if he gets picked up by the Imperials, we are done, you know. but it's also like a tantrum of not being inner circle right like she completely overestimates her value she wants to be like closer to luthen like even just thinking about how like luthin speaks to her the last conversation that we saw with them like she is not and then didn't speak to her high on that list yeah right he sent claya to go tell her to go kill and or right he didn't do that himself and that's interesting you know yes so she thinks that she could like Like, if I get face to face with Luthin, he'll see why I'm valuable.

And instead she has clay as a sort of wall between them. And it's interesting because she, y'all are right that she comes across here as being, feeling entitled or feeling like she's rich girl tantrum type stuff. But also, we've seen her overcome that in the moment. We know she did lead that group on Aldani to steal 80 million credits or whatever, 100, but whatever it was. and we saw her push past some of her fear to do the damn thing during that mission I think there's something really interesting about the character who has the like

has stage fright but then nails it and like well what's that due to your standing inside of the troop so to speak right where it's like yeah when you're on stage you're killing it but everyone is kind of fed up with your antics before and after the show and that's a stressful thing to be that's an interesting way to play that character versus the like

the person who just can't can't do it come game time, you know, the person who's like all talk and then they fell apart. She's the inverse of that. And that's such a funny, interesting thing. Yeah, I just, to me, it is just so, like, I'm just, I'm still, I'm curious what the ask is is going to be more support for the mission, because she has the green light, go kill this guy one way or another, unless on some level she wants the mission parameters changed. Like, I'm not sure she ever was comfortable with this mission. And I've always had the feeling that the person who most wants

and or dead is Clayah. Clayah. Because it's the cleanest, simplest way to tie this off. You dispatch assassins to go handle it and it gets fixed. And again, it's easy to do that from the back room of a relic shop on Corrassant where you don't meet any of these people. She also recruited Namik.

Oh, Nemick and somebody else, right? So she is out there sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. She's just about it. She's just about it. Sorry and Sinta should probably be running the whole damn thing, honestly. It's true, it's true.

The scene, she does, I think, come across a bit better when she goes and visits Manmavma. And we get, like, crucially, the way this edited happens, it's actually as the tail end of Bix being interrogated one more time, and we hear a catechism begin to be recited over the last frame of her looking completely, like,

just run down and overwhelmed in this interrogation room. Did anybody write down this catechism? I wrote down part of it, yeah. Do you have the fall? Yielding in acceptance, safe in the braid of the old ways, true and steady and braided and trust, the old ways shout us. Hold us. Hold us.

Yeah, it says should us, if I know. I was like, that's not it. Safe of the knot in the binding, the old ways teach us, bound against the wind, tied to the shore, tethered impermanence. And as Val comes, like, as she enters the apartment and sees this, she looks more horrified than we've ever seen her look, actually. She goes to Mademma and says, I thought this was over. And Mademma, like, I've heard parents talk about this one. Like, people have kids who are attuned to things that are happening in younger generations that, like, the rest of us are oblivious to.

She says, oh, you're behind the times. It's coming back. It's coming back. Yeah. And she's like, is it, like, what's, you know, is it, you know, is it? this coming from Perrin, and she's like, nope, not Perrin. Perrin's actually, like, he's open-minded about this. He's, this is a place where they're on the same page.

She's on track, half, TikTok. She's out like, she's like, what if Vatican 2 never happened? We shouldn't even, I shouldn't even be using basic. I should be using basic chandelion, original chandelion to say this. Like, I need to fulfill my wifely duties. Literally, this is what's happening. She is 13. Dasha is out here.

It's wired. This is how she's rebelling. And it's like, it's easy to imagine the, easy, but for her to do the thing of like, oh, my parents took me away from my home. You know, I wish I wasn't living with them. If I was back home, this is what I would be attached to. Right. And she's like building that castle in her mind where she'd be like, she's like, I mean, literally, I'm on a castle on the open plains of Chandrailla looking out on the, the Mothema estate. You know, with my prince.

It's, I mean, it's... She found the elder. She found the elder. What's that mean? What do you, what's, is it like, so... The person who's leading this prayer? Yeah, I think she went on Star Wars Yelp

and found, like, an old Strandallan woman to teach her the ways of being a trad wife. Like, it's... It's... This show is so... Okay, yeah, really quick. Pause. Because again, this might be a story that people have not tuned into if they're listening to our Star Wars podcast.

Obviously, there has been a reactionary turn in American politics in the last decade. I mean, in world politics in the last decade, which is underselling the fact that it's an extension of a broader conservative turn since the 80s, right? Which itself is an extension of, you know, we can keep on going. But in the last decade. there has been a return of a sort of, we keep saying trad, cath, or trad, traditionalism, a reactionary movement towards returning to the old ways. And this kind of comes out in a bunch of different variations.

Sometimes you see this as like in dietary stuff, the sort of like, this is the caveman diet, right? That is a return to old ways reactionary. Liver king. The liver king, exactly. 100%. Again, go Google Liver King. I think Danny Gonzalez has a really fun video about liver king, maybe with Danny. But it also happens inside of religious circles, or religious groups. And so, for instance, there is a traditional Catholic, a trad-cath movement that is growing in popular, or I don't know that it's growing in popularity. It's growing in volume,

certainly, that has attracted a lot of people to, quote-unquote, traditional Latin mass replacing the local language masses that became standard years and years ago, decades ago now, and away from the friendlier, more open Catholic Church, which fucking asterisk on that, by the way, in, you know, in order to reclaim some vision of past grace and beauty. And along with this is the sort of trad wife thing that Natalie and Allie have been talking about that is like the 50s housewife. There is, there is, it's valid to be in a sundress, making, making lunch for your husband and putting it in a brown bag. That is a way to live. And it's not just valid. It's valorous. You know, it's not just like, yeah, that's, you know, people who keep homes are actually doing a great deal of work. It, in fact, is often being put in conversation with that sort of contemporary feminism. And then is like spinning off into, again, nightmare reactionary zone where it's like, and that is the best way to. to be and we've lost something by putting women in the workplace, you know, quote, and quote. That's a very quick summary of what we're talking about here.

And that is, again. Another big component of that is, is, like, young people, like, Jen, especially Gen Z, like, romanticizing the aesthetic of the, in, like, lifestyle of this, like, traditionalism in this way. Like, a lot of religious iconography is jewelry and da-da-da. but also just like romanticizing and aestheticizing like the stay-at-home like girlfriend vibe. Like that is a whole thing on TikTok. This is such a deep, deep hole that we could go down. But what's amazing is that the show is in conversation with this moment in a way that Star Wars often we've talked about it being mythopoetic.

I think Rob you made a big point a few episodes ago about what Star Wars has traditionally been. It's not political or it's political, but it's not trying to be engaged with them. contemporary political question so much as it's playing in the genre space of mythopoetics that, of course, have political knock-on and political, you know, relevance. But here, like, this is happening, right? This is, this is, this is, this is happening. It is weird, and it is often happening inside of, as Mon Mothma says, it's, it's more popular here than there than back on Chandrilla. This is a, there is a subgroup of, you know, culture taste makers who are interested in this. What's, what's cool, there's two things.

One is the show is savvy to get away from, like, I think frequently we see in Star Wars, and a lot of things, the myth of progress is fostered by this notion of, ah, but the old ways are being put aside. The younger people are going to lead us to a better way. And here we see an example of it can be a wheel, and it can just turn. And so, when Ma'amah and Perrin, it sounds like for all their, and maybe because of the disastrous match they've made, had both kind of come to some kind of agreement of like, this is probably where we tie this off, though. This is, we don't necessarily want to, like, have the same stuff passed on, and we're going to raise Lita differently. And this is kind of what is feeding some of the Mademadma's reaction to Skullden. But here, Lita, on her own initiative, has fully embraced this vision. The other thing, though, I would say is it isn't, to a degree, not necessarily a warped reflection, but it's like we're looking through the same.

looking into a different part of, yeah, let's say we're looking through the mirror into the other side of like what Nemek sees. As Nemek talks about like traditional knowledge and traditional ways, the way this like sense of divorce from a way of life and a past and past understandings can be reclaimed and used as a tool for liberation and as a way to like draw a separation between yourselves and an empire that is sort of imposing a new way of life and a new ideology. And here we see that Lita feels a similar sense of like dislocation, but, you know, kind of tragically, I think it's coming from inside the house.

Your problem is not the empire. Her problem is that, like, she's in kind of a broken home. And she has turned to navigate to, we've seen she has struggled to navigate to, we've seen, she has struggled to navigate the complexities of the weird dynamics of her parents' marriage and her house. And what she has turned to to navigate, like to be her guiding light, is traditional chandrelin values, which she does not fully understand because she is a land she's never, she is not meaningfully visited.

So I think that, I think that you're, I think that you're totally, I think that's a totally viable read. I do also think that you can't talk about that, the broken home. without putting it in conversation with what the state of the world is. Yeah. The empire has, in effect, overridden local identity with national identity. There's like this aculturalism. Right, 100%. And I think you're totally right that what we're seeing is a totally understandable desire

to reconnect with some part of the identity that your parents have pushed you away from because what's it mean to be chandelion in their house it means you drink what are they called skink squigglies or something no squiggly is or fish yeah uh god i forget what they're called whatever they're called just load me up on squiggly's bartender just however many she's not having put two in mine put two in yeah uh-huh um uh but what one of the ways that fascism can work is in that situation traditionally there might be a lot of escape valves right where you can say okay i'm going to get into chandelion art i'm going to get into chandreeland you know uh poetry i'm going to get in the chandelionin music no uh-uh what's what's available

is the is the most reactionary project for her which is accepting you know arranged marriages at 13, that part is allowed, right? That part is in line with a certain sort of, I mean, the thing that it calls to mind for me is the early project of Nazi Germany is to create Germany as a, I mean, Germany exists as a state, right, prior to this, but part of what the Nazis attempted to do, and this is like, this is one of the big projects of triumph of the will, and one of the big projects of Hitler's many speeches, is to tie together different parts of Germany under a single national identity by saying, hey, whether you're in Bavaria or in the Black Forest, you're German. You're German first. And your local, you know,

regionality, you know, there might be something there you can be proud of, right? But like, you're German first. And closing off ways of being German that could be open to resistance, right? That could be resistive to the entire project because Germanness came before, you know, Aryanness came first. Germanness come. and says, hey, this is more important than whatever your local, you know, regionality is. And this ends up producing a fascist set of cultural practices that are acceptable. And it feels to me like, and again, this is lots of speculation, but it's informed speculation, that this is the sort of thing, you can go find the trad wife elder on Coruscant.

That person has not been stomped out. But we know that they are only barely tolerant of Aldani religious customs, right? I've no idea what was practiced before in terms of other cultural activities on chandrilla. My suspicion is this one gets the past because it's perfectly well in line with broader imperial, you know, desire. Squigs. Oh, squigs. So squiggly. Swiglies and squibing.

Yeah, maybe that, maybe that's where they get the squigs. They are the ones who fish out the squigglys and then they sell them and they get turned into squigs. So, I think one of the things, now, now, now. that you're outlining that Austin, it occurred to me. And also, I guess in some ways the fact that, like, whatever Monoma has been

teaching or practicing in the home has not reached this kid, I think, looming over all this, is she's going to become the head of a religious rebellion, that at its center has made the force be with you. And that, like, a huge part of its project is going to be,

we'll bring back these old ways. Right? The Jedi. I mean, this is the thing, right? There is a desire. I, see if I can frame that if, say this the right way, but there is an anxiety.

There is a real anxiety. We are living in a different world than there was before. And it is often the case. And again, I want to say this is what the show keeps hammering us with. People know in their heart of hearts that something is wrong.

Something is off. I'm being constrained in some way. How do they respond to that? What types of responses are allowed and encouraged? How is that anxiety sublimated and turned into productivity for an empire? And in this case, it's like, I have an urge to be, to be from somewhere. And it's like, okay, cool.

Be from the place where there's tradwife heritage. Like, don't be from the place that has a big religious ceremony where you look in the sky and see everything be overwhelming and have this cosmic relationship. No, no, no, no, no. That, that, no. But be safe than not in the binding. You don't mind the Star Destroyer in orbit above your planet. Yeah.

Yeah. Awesome's point is interesting to me, though, because, like, the thing that I was thinking of in the scene, and a little bit from the last one is, like, if there was someone in Mon Moth's life, like, if Perrin would probably be this role of being the person of being like, well, that's why we need the empire, you know? If Palpatine was on Sandrilla, people wouldn't be doing this anymore. You're right. And she wouldn't be getting these ideas. And, like, how Mon Moth would have to respond to that. I wish we'd seen that. That would be fucking juicy scene.

Please, someone write that scene for me to do. Reeve. Thank you. I mean, you're already doing it. It's in my head now. It lives. Also, like, the thing that Lita can be a little, little shit, but I think, you know, I return to, you know, in that horrible breakfast scene where she calls out, like, you just care about being seen drop off a cue. You care. You care about pretending to care. Like, you're involved. And sort of the tragedy, I think, of, like, the amount of my household in a lot of ways is that, like, Lita is picking up on an incredible. falseness at the center of her mom. But the thing is, the falseness, I think it probably is stemming more from the fact that like Clea, she's spinning so many plates and she's constantly dissembling. She is the leader of a growing insurgency who has to pretend to be a vapid,

privileged liberal senator. And Lena's keying on that, even though she can't quite figure out why. And another big part of it is, of course, because Perrin's not part of that secret either, that parent is locked out of it. So there's a huge, like, deception in the home. And so, you know, kind of tragically is Lita looking for something real has gone to what sounds like the exact customs and ideologies that led to this awful marriage and to a home that really has no sense of, like, trust or, you know, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, it indicates, it sounds like the great strength of the chandril in marriage is that we live

adjacent to each other but not with each other. We're not, we don't care about each other in that way. And lead as a kid looking for something, looking for something to be tied into that's more secure and is not able to have the honest conversations with, with Mon about like, where, where they stand in relation to this. So we get, you know, this all sets up, they'll, well, they'll knows that This is bad. And she asks, you're not thinking of, I forgot how she asked it, but she basically asked, you're not thinking of, like, betrothing her at this stage. And Mon doesn't answer.

She just looks at Val and just says, I am in so much trouble. And finally, she lays out to Val everything that's gone wrong. And a big part of it was, it got the water theme, setting up a streamer of accounts, it was like water running downhill, that for her just opening the spigots of money was so easy until it's a great scene. It's just she outlines how financial crime investigators have suddenly gotten on her case. It's a long, beautiful speech about you've been cheating on your taxes and your books are in bad order. And what's great is, you know, she talks about she brought in Tay thinking he can keep her safe and that he could fix whatever, you know, issues had arisen

but all his acting with business all he's done is show her how much trouble she's actually in I have to take the L here because she definitely thought about it his main decision yeah yeah it happens

I love that you saw the best in her can we blame dead be dads with the kids just have bad vibes sometimes just have bad vibes I got a little bit I did get a little bit more like you know late is probably good with it

guess what Time to serve chendriline culture. Here's your loveless dog shit marriage and a bag of cash. She's just such a baby. I know. She's 13. She's a child. She is a child.

She's a child. She's living in storybooks. She's in that nightmare age, though, of like, but can be really precocious, really smart, really incisive. And also have a child's understanding of the world. Right. And also, her mother is leading a rebellion, is paying for. or a rebellion. There are conversations you cannot have.

Because she would snitch. In a few years. Why can't go to that school? We can't afford it. Why not? Because Mama bought a squadron of X-Wings for Salkerrera. Uh, I, I know, I know Leda is going to fall in love with the evil man's son. It's just, it's, she's too primed for it.

I'm praying we see this meeting. See, this show doesn't have been paid off like that. There's so much that needs to happen in the next episode. Marva dies off screen. Narva dies off screen. The big dinner party happens off screen. Yeah. We might only need the door to open and Dave would be there with his shitty son.

And for us to know that what's happening is about to happen. Right. I just want to see the shitty son. I just need to see what he's wearing. Yeah, how much gel is in his hair? Like, what's the vibe? What's his vibe? Because is he as as un, like, is he clued in to his dad's vibes?

Or is he like a totally wholesome, you know, maybe he's not such a bad guy. I don't know, maybe. But it doesn't matter because he'll be a child too. Like, ultimately, like, this is the thing. Like, it's very funny because there's a little part of me it's like, okay, like, Leda would have no conception of how shitty this fate could be for her Which is a small mercy here

Which is ironic because she lives with the fate She sees the fate all around her But she's wrapped her mind around too You know the real problem here? Is that they're not traditionally chendriline enough This would all be good If they were more secure in the bindings Like a ship

Like a ship against the wind Tide to shore Bro So But the other part, and we get to, like, Vell kind of asks how much does Luthan know, and we have this real honest, like, who knows how much Luton knows? He knows everything, but also seems to check out. Like, people's relationships to Luton is a real fascinating thread that runs through. It's me the focus of the next scene.

But you almost feel like they come up to the boundary of, like, do, you know, maybe can Lutthin help? The answer is he won't, probably. it's no money compared to what they just brought in $400,000 right they brought it at 80 mill you can't slide a little over I you know I think that's why she needs

but it's about where it came from because whatever it gets transferred in from is going to be watched she don't got anybody a chase he don't have someone who could just move it over he's about to live 50 guys die he's not going to be like let me let me let me have a let

the government have my tracking number and account number. Well, Val is like, you know what you're in. Like, you know what you signed up for.

There's no... Yeah. She's kind of hard on Mon Mothma in a way. I... She should just process returns from the... You're right.

Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't buy that. That's... Someone stole my card. She needs... So Lufin needs to buy her Like a ton of gift cards Like a ton enough to live on for like 10 years

You're right And we just make up the shortfall that way It's Also Also She says in that speech She was moving 100K a month Yeah that's wild

Bro With no flags Like you were living differently You this is my one thing I'm not entirely sure like she detests Devo and I'm only partly sure because it's

because Devo is kind of like a gangster It is also she is so blue-blooded She is so blue-blooded She's so rich that's what I'm saying Yeah I mean that's so like when When Devo shows up She's like oh this place is

You know the government pays for it I guess You know this isn't really how I live my life Yes it is yes it is You're pulling a hundred thousand credits a month out of your family holdings like it's nothing do you think to her

this the these quarter like the government you know uh issued homes are actually less swaggy yeah like a downgrade than chindrilla yeah she like that's that's why I felt like when

when uh Davos came in and was like what's gonna what's a vibe like a Robert Like, it felt almost like she was like, well, it's, you know, if it was me, I would have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perhaps, perhaps. A hundred K month is a lot of money.

It's a lot of money. Again. It's a lot of squigs. It's a lot of squigs. It's wild amounts of money. If I was the empire, I would have figured this out by now. She ain't thought those parties aren't that good. You know what I mean?

She ain't throwing the party of the season. But it's all going to charity. It's all, you know, books for, books, laptops for... Well, and the weird thing is, like, you know, they have to... Laptops for the lower level. You always got to try carefully around your fun. Your plutocrats. You know, you're never sure, like, is this a good plutocrat or a bad plutocrat for our authoritarian regime?

They're figuring out that she's a bad, you know, like, she's a bad elite. But that's going to, and that's sort of what's happened. their respect for family money has sort of reached its end and now they want to know what you're doing with it but yeah she's got she's only gotten this far so they they depart they have their they have their farewell certainly feels like it might be a final farewell given what what bell is is heading into uh you know let's just let's just touch on this uh we a little little and or check in usually we like to handle these things in blocks but each of these seems so distinctive.

Andor has gone back to Niamos. He hitched that ride. His money's right there where he hit it. But I do love just the picture of like, wow, it turns out cops just jailing people for seven years that a trial over small like non-infractions killed the vibe of Niamos. That place is dunzo. No one's at the beach anymore. That's such a good.

Yeah. I didn't even think about that. I was like, it's weirdly like empty here now. but there's like one person in one of the thing like it's dead it's just a snoozing creature uh in there are the two birds like fighting each other mm-hmm for scraps and there are there's a couple hanging out in the in the old bedroom couple alien couple she moved on I think it's the same girl and an alien is it the same girl yeah wait is there a girl I thought it was two aliens yeah yeah yeah no there's an embrace there's an arm I think that's two aliens no

The skin tone looks... There's a human hand in that scene. That's an alien hand. Hold on, hold on. That's his alien hand. No, no, it's two aliens. It's two aliens. I have a top-down view of it.

I have a top-down view. Give me a second. Can you please produce the view for us? We'll put it in the show notes. By the way, I saw someone say thank you for putting stuff in the show notes. You're welcome. Do our best. I saw someone raise a question.

We think he's sneaking in here, right? Not that he's shocked up with this couple. Oh, that's an amazing. Amazing, amazing question. Melchie, I have something to do. I'll be back tomorrow morning. Oh, yeah, I think he snuck in. Although, I love that.

I think, you know, after everything he's been through, take a night off. Okay, yeah, that's aliens. That's two aliens. It goes to a random alien couple. I saw you from across the bar, and I love your vibe. I love your vibe. Where are you staying?

Oh, that's a great. I've been there before. It's a great place. there was a moment in here that made me Yelp when he goes into the he goes into the bathroom when he climbs up

to the top of the shower to get the box back lots of opening boxes in this episode opening up safes opening up also putting people in boxes there's probably

something you could build here opens it up reveals that he still has like his sick gun is in there his gun from the pre more places there all his money

is there and Nemick's manifesto is in there and he opens and Nemek's voice it's an audio book Nemick is a podcaster confirm

one of us one of us one of us did you see somebody edited the scene to put us on top of it yes I did it was amazing I really want to know what the the text says on that screen oh yeah I really wanted to see that translated and then he's like tyranny require and then it gets cut off because uh and I was like oh shit I got to close this it's so good and he takes it all takes it all. I am glad he got his money back. Of course, now that money is going to be used for the cause. Of course, because he's going to

he's going to he's going to listen to Nemek's audiobook and take a fucking vow. We're going to hear him. We're going to see him on the way to Farrix listening to the audio book. On the way to the funeral, bro.

Yeah. So and we get sort of a major scene here Luthan is having another meeting with Saw And yes, to your point Saw has had his coffee He is in a good mood

He has decided, you know what? He's in a mood. He's in a mood. So Luton's getting patted down And there are guards out everywhere. He's like, what's all this? And is it tubes? Who says it?

Tubes. Two tubes says search him. And the guy who's searching him says he's in a mood, or maybe two tube says, yeah, he's in a mood. And they produce his cane, they produce his extendo stick, his wooden

lightsaber lookalike device. His lightsaber. His lightsaber. It could be a lightsaber. It's a little big for a lightsaber. But if you put a housing around a lightsaber. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh-huh. So. He's going to be a Jedi and I'm going to love it. And, you know, sometimes. Sometimes it's okay to like things. So the thing is, uh, saw is fully in now. He's like, you know what?

Oh, Antio Creerreer, I love that guy. Uh, I mean, I won't work under him. Uh, make sure Krieger knows. I'm taking any categories from him. Uh, I get all the loop. I get all the shit. All that stuff you promised me is my, as the sort of the table stakes. I'm getting that too.

Oh. And Luton's like, it's a bit late for that. It's happening tomorrow. Tell him I'll bring air power. Again, Forrest Whitaker. just killing it in this sequence. If you've never been in this manic, I'm sorry for you and also solidarity.

And Saw's like, we'll be ready tomorrow. Don't even worry about it. We are good to go. We have our overheads. We have everything we need. Charts are ready. Yep. They've done the work to prepare for this shit.

Tell them what really can happen. Yeah. And Luthen has to keep revealing more and more to try to get Saw to head off. My head saw off from this to the point where he basically indicates that he knows that the ISB is onto it

and so immediately wonders how do you know that the ISB has discovered this I love it because he doesn't say how do you know it he says and how do we know this

I won't tell you that and Krieger he doesn't know how do you know I won't tell it I don't I don't know what you'll do It's far from ideal for either of us. You're willing to burn him.

You're the random factor. It's 30 men. Plus Krieger. So you know he's doomed. Which means either your ISB, or you have someone inside that you are protecting. Or I'm just a very good listener. You think it's worth losing Krieger?

I did. I'm not sure right now. What if it was me instead of Krieger? What would you do? Creager doesn't know me. I'm not vulnerable if he's captured. Surely you've met him. I've met him. I've been in a room with him, but he doesn't know that. We sent people, we drop supplies, we have special radios. He can't hurt me. Like I can. It's your decision, so on.

It's your decision. But know the choice. Do we let Krieger go down and play the long game? Or do we warn him and throw away a source has taken years to cultivate? You have people everywhere, don't you? You're avoiding the question. All of your sources. Try to concentrate.

Someone with Krieger? Someone at ISB? Maybe there's someone here with me. You're wasting time. Why wouldn't you? You're avoiding the choice. Who is it? Who is it?

It's tubes. What is a chico? It's my man. He tells me everything. Tell him he deserves to know. What is this? Chisotira. What kind of game is this? Uh...

There's no air to live. Of that, you must be sure. I'm doing this so you'll listen. So listen. Krieger goes down. The ISP will feel invincible. They'll feel untouchable. We'll have a clear field to play.

The alternative. Krieger pulls out, we wave him off. They'll know they'll have to wonder. They'll trust nothing. Just like you're doing it right now. If I were ISB, so why wouldn't I just send you out there with it? I didn't want you to have to make this choice. 30 men.

Plus, Greg. For the greater good. Call it what you will. It's calling war. Here's my theory on Luton in the scene. And I think this touches on the Clia thing. I think Clea has sussed out something about Luton which is that there is a sentimental heart

under a lot of this and that he can make these sacrifices but he does not want to. I'm not sure we've ever actually heard Luthan say I want to kill Andor or anything to that effect that has been Clea issuing the orders and Luthan telling Clea that

like the depth of the exposure that's happened and that they need to find him. But is Clay who's been very clear that we just need to tie this off. Lutthin Damnir answers that phone call from Farix even though it's a like laughably bad idea. And here goes to Saw.

This is why he's at Saw. He didn't have to meet with Saw. What he wanted to do, he wanted Saw to put this together. He was kind of hoping Saw would ask about this because he wants someone else to make the decision. He actually wants, you know, if Saw, like, I'm not making

the choice. I'm not doing the stupid thing, which is unequivocally, rescuing Krieger. That is the wrong. Everything he told Lonnie is correct. In like the atmosphere croissant around Clea and like the clarity that comes there, it was obviously you had to let Krieger and his men die, as unfortunate as that was.

Going to Saw and opening up the possibility, but what if we didn't have to do that is a bad call, but I think on some level, he kind of hopes Saw. He wants it to, is going to say, we're going to go bail him out. And it's so tempting. It's so tempting to be like, well, what if we show up and it's like we didn't know it was going to happen and we could just be the right people for, you know what I mean? And Saul doesn't even, Saul is just focused on, I can't believe you're going to do this why wouldn't you do it to me you know right that's that's really the the the revelation here is

that what luthan is willing to sacrifice exactly and saw saying and i think saw given sa's own values and and perspectives on what what he calls war i think he respects luthan for it as as brutal as this is i think in a way sauce sees, I feel like sauce sees this as dedication for the greater good in a way. It's also where he's looking around and recognizing, you're here to talk to me about this. You have someone here. You knew we were about to jump into this. I didn't tell you we were about to go do this. You came here to stop me because you have people everywhere. You've people in the ISB, you've people in

Krieger's unit, we got people here. And he probably does. He probably does have someone here. Otherwise, why would he? It could be two tubes. Like, it really could. And two tubes would have, like, it, it, I think this is,

like I said, I think this is the most honest Lutheran has been. Like, he is just giving it to Saw completely straight. This is the sacrifice I'm willing to make. I have people. people everywhere. I didn't want to have to tell you this because I didn't want you to have to make these choices. Luton predominantly doesn't want to make anyone make choices that aren't I'm dedicating myself to the cause of ending the empire, of stopping the empire. Like he,

that's why everyone is siloed. That's why everyone is in like individual pods that have their own like values like you know like the nemic vell skein pod they had their mission they had they completed it and and that was it that's one thing and he has Krieger he has you know he's tapped into saw everyone can rally around their own localized individual motivation um and i think that everything has I think Luthan is desperate here but also knows that

I think he trusts in Saa to see what Luth... to be like Luton, to see it like Luton does and to see it for the true value of the situation which is keeping

information flowing. But we also are, we know we're going to hit a point where this changes. Of course. And I'm so curious when and where that moment comes. I know some of this is

in Rebel. which we'll get to sooner than later. To some degree, some of this is in Rogue One in the sense that like the Rogue One unit goes off to do the shit on Scariff and then, you know, they're not going to succeed unless the rebels do show up, right, to save the day, just to open up the thing

and keep it, let them broadcast, right? So at some point, the calculus has to change here or Luton has to stop being the decision maker or everything has to line up to where there's more utility from being the Rebel Alliance than being seven different revolutionary cells. Unfortunately, that Rebel Alliance is going to be led by Mon Mothma,

who's going to create the Republic, but again. Regrettable. Which will fall. Which will fall. Which will fall pretty quickly. I will never get over that the book that's about Leah being like, yo, this is busted.

We need to do more than this. Has like, as the primary antagonists, a group called the centrist's. It means something different in Star Wars. It doesn't mean centrism in our sense. It's about people who think that all the power should be in chorusant. You know? It's like federalists, basically, is what it means.

I see. Versus the planetists or whatever. The center. The populists believe that like planets should have their own small government. you know I well and the funny thing is you know at some point this breach is going to happen and in part it might be you know you see luthan here maybe does regard saw as appear in a moral compass yeah totally in a way that later people will not regard saw this way you know as

an extremist to somebody who hates the empire but too much and luthan comes here and to me this has the feel of if you think we really should not let Krieger burn I will back your play and we will deal with the consequences but he's also picked his advisor well because when like Saw works through it all and he goes through his

flare of paranoia as he realizes that because this is the everything the mask now does fully drop Luther can't pretend oh I don't know what happened to Aldani all these little things just happen he is fully revealed he is puppet mastering a great deal of this insipiate rebellion and when Saw takes all that in

he does accept that like this is war and this is an acceptable casualty of war which is very disappointing to me because I wanted to see the Black X-Wing Squadron take flight and like just beat ass I was kind of like and next episode Anto Krieger is going to be like

oh shit I fucked up and then here comes squadron of bad asses I was hoping maybe so I'll sleep on it and change his mind again you know what fuck lewd

god that would rip it would rip well because it is kind of funny too it tells us a lot about he does not respect Krieger he doesn't think very much of him

or like how he is like put his cause together but he is up here they are they do share an enemy and they do the same job they go about and also sometimes you got to sleep on it you know what I mean

sometimes sometimes you want to go burn Spellhouse and you're like I do, but Anto's kind of a piece We've talked about this type of character before with Honda and Naka, right? I don't want to hang with Honda,

but sometimes Honda when you were going in the same place and you use a ride, you know what I mean? And so I think some, it's, you know, he slept on it, Spell House Power Station sucks, the Empire sucks, tell him I'm in. I'll bring my fucking X-Mexam. I'm going to hop on the Krieger train.

Right, right, just for a little bit. It'll be fun. So, Luthan... Again, really quick, the thing here of I'd like that we came back to Saw, we see Saw change his mind, we see Saw get excited, we see a lot of the conversation

we had about Saw before was what's the show think of him here? And I think you're right, Rob, positioning him as a advisor to Lutthin and a peer to Luton and someone who is also pressured by Luton by this. And again, undercutting

a little bit of Luton's big speech last time, Luthan could have comrades if he wants comrades And he doesn't believe he can He believes he has to shut the door He believes he has to You know Whatever what Ghosts and sunsets or whatever the fuck

But like Saul Guerrera is right here You know Come have some Revknock And just let yourself It's you You've told your son And in some ways

Isn't this the most Jedi bullshit there is I have to separate myself from everybody I have to I have to be, I have to be a cold and indifferent to the world. I can't have attachments to people. I have to make these, I have to be the puppet master who lives in the temple. And whereas, like, shut the fuck up. Drink your rev dog. Cheers, bro. Let's go kill some imps. Like, that's all it has to be. You're allowed to have that in your life. And he won't let himself have that in his life because he's constructed a vision of the world where if he's, if he has any of that, it's weakness. And

I'm not saying it's not weakness, but it's also strength. And he doesn't, I don't think he sees that that can be strength too, you know? Because that's what happened with Saan Anto. You know San Antonio at some point in the past like got drunk together and had a fist fight and there are days where Saul thinks of that and he's like, that motherfucker

I hope he dies. And there are other days and he's like, nah, he's all right. I like that guy. One of my favorite all-time tweets me draping an arm around Yoda. I love you. You know, you're a little creepy bastard. Yoda.

Good to drive I am. it's an all-timer tweet i'm going to miss twitter so much i'm going to miss twitter oh yeah by the way as we're recording this uh some twitter is dying right now i know of six critical systems like serving tweets level of critical which is no longer have any engineers there is no longer even a skeleton crew manning the system nobody is listening nobody's listening he's listening They're understaffed One way out

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He's got control of Zon Cheppine go where he wants Do what he please Clea calls him and is like, I have to tell you, Vell was here. The encode language, you know, obviously. Yeah, she does a better job. This is so great. It's so good.

But in so many words, she's like, funeral's happening. We probably know where Andor is going to be. If he's going to be anywhere in the galaxy, he's going to be here. But you shouldn't go because everyone knows that the scene is hot. The Imperials are all over it. shouldn't be anywhere near it and Luthan away from the shop

I don't know maybe I'll you know what I think I will go I'm gonna buy I am buying what Val is selling and so

he makes the choice he is he's gonna swing by Marvin's funeral but it looks like that might not happen because right as I think the scene is ending

it is not ending He gets the old sickest shit ever. Sometimes they got to remind you, this is, this is, we are in Star Wars. Mm-hmm. Wars is in the title. It's a big ship. It's a big ship that is behind a little ship. Mm-hmm.

And it's scary. And I love that like, it's clearly a special patrol. It's all covered dishes and such. Like, it gives interdictor. cruiser vibes, but maybe more of a... I mean, it is. It's giving overfunded fucking police force, board cop

energy. They put three tractor beam arrays on this ship. They really did. We got to put three of them on here. So this is behind the scenes really quick. I just want to shout out. This is designed by Colin Cantwell who designed a lot of the early

mechanics for Star Wars. It was like very key to making Star Wars look and feel like start like the x wing the y wing the tie fighter you know what i mean like that is this is this is that dude you know and this is called the cantwell class arrester cruiser it's a design that i think maybe i want to say maybe it showed up briefly in solo um uh apparently yes it appears in a recruitment film in solo but not like in the main action this is the first time we've seen it really get used in that way uh can't well i believe unfortunately died earlier

this year, yeah, back in May, so did not get to see this design deployed, but is a, is derived from a World War II aircraft carrier originally, and was originally supposed to be a Sith cruiser in some regard. It's just so, it's just so sick. It's such a cool design. And, you know, what else was a cool design increasingly revealed is Luton's spy car, his Gaston Martin filled with all sorts of gadgets, the fondor. Yeah, exactly. It's so cool. Like he, I was like, oh, well, he's, he's, like, what is he, what is he going to do? Of course, this is Jedi shit. It keeps, no Jedi's ever had a ride this sick. The only person with the ride this cool we've ever seen is bail or gotta, and that is it. This shit has,

this shit has gadgets. Jedi don't fuck with gadgets. If Anakin, if Anakin, if Anakin had his way. But that's just Anakin shit That's not a Jedi shit This thing has a droid That can like find and set up I mean he unrolls a series Of progressively cooler gadgets The first one is

He has the droid roll out like I need an Alderani Like license plate number Create fake paperwork and VIN Out of whole cloth That will pass inspection It works It's just because the cops are bored

That they press that extra bit Then while that's happening he starts charging the countermeasures, the anti-tractor beam countermeasures, which take a while to load up, I guess. And he does the coolest trick in the world so that it really fucks them up. Did y'all pick up on what exactly he does here?

Well, he's faking an engine overheat so that they can't see, like, he basically fakes that there's a malfunction, and he's continued to, like, fire the port thruster. Which makes it so that it hides it, he's actually charging up countermeasures, then he jams the accelerator, which makes

them turn their tractor beam up all the way. This part I loved. So like they start turning that vacuum up all on super high mode before he actually launches the countermeasures. Which is a bunch of shrapnel? It's just a bunch of shrapnel.

It's so good. It's so good. I was like, are those like tiny missiles or something? No, it's just trash. It's just trash. Yeah. It's just metal shrapnel. It's fuck you trash. It's fuck you trash.

Seeing their big tractor dish get absolutely obliterated, which again also like loading that weapon system probably costs nothing. Like once it's built, it's just metal like shrapnel, you're firing into it. That dish, expensive. That ship is, that captain, as all this happens, has look of a man who knows he just lost his command. He would like When this thing is rebuilt It's done He fucks up so bad here

There's a point where his helm Or someone else is like Should we just let him go The plates cleared You know the vint is good And he's like no We should send the boarding party The men need the practice

Or whatever Yeah we need practice Like why not The tighter Your grip You know Just let him go If he just lets him slide out

And Luther's talking to them This whole Like they're going back and forth They're like hey Turn off your engines like, do this, that's saying. He's like, I'm, I'm more one-man guy. I'm one-man crew.

I'm trying. I'm trying my best over here. It's also my birthday. I'm just a little guy. Oh. Oh, my God. But he just keeps his cool in a way that's just so great. It's so great.

And then they launched the fucking fighter squadron out there, which again, the tractor beam craft, the arrestor craft is, it's, it is sick that it has. these three big tractor beams and then like a little mini squadron of fighters to go out there and it's like whatever a few tie fighters and a tie interceptor or a bomber or whatever is a bomber yeah um uh and you're like

oh shit no oh shit this is the least harrowing part of this the tractor beam is the real threat this is like luthan does this for fun this is clay pigeon's time you luthan had fun luthin had fun with this there is there is some sheave in luthan

I might be more Luton is a secret apprentice to Duku Pilled than Jedi Pilled, because he has it in him that he likes the chaos. He does like to show off the way Sheave every once in a while, likes to draw the lightsaber and show what's what. And also because I think all his, like, I think he hated the, in my mind, when we get the Luton prequel in five years, we will learn that he always hated the Republic and saw the Republic for what it was and had some other idea in play. But until then, we just see him go absolutely Skywalker mode on this shit. It just tears these things apart, shoots a few of them out of the sky, reveals that his ship has lightsabers, like he said. It's amazing. He lightsabers them. Then he lightsabers takes out two of them.

And then the other two he shoots out of the sky and then bzp into hyperspace, boom, gone. Peas out, bozo, goodbye. Just for fun. Yeah, he doesn't, he fucking... He flies right up to the observation deck. Yep. Right up to it. If he just flipped all the light saver for one second, flip him off.

All those people would be dead. He was like, bip, done. That's it. It was, you know, it was a humble... That he didn't. He's humble. He wanted them to live with the L. Yeah, you're right.

And we see it on that guy's face in the last moment of that scene where he like sort of glances around his command room. Like, I really hope. Like, he's like, somebody who just stuffled it. Embarrassing. Embarrassing. Embarrassing. You got worked.

You got work. This is like Steph Curry shit. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, half court shit. Lutland doing the too small gestures. Uh-huh. As he flies by. Yeah.

We should say, okay, so again, I think you could read those laser beams as just continuous shot single lasers. But it is shot in a way where it reads like, like, lightsabers. It looks like little lightsaber hilts pop out, and they're red, again, a Sith color, and he does a spin that feels like a lightsaber

spin to chop two tie fighters in half for a show that does not do this. This is not what the bulk of the show is, but it's got it in it. I have to imagine that they just they played this so smart in the budgeting, in the

production planning, because I think they were like we don't have the CGI budget of you know whatever of yeah and we're not shooting on the volume we're shooting on location mainly did da da like I think they were just a really they chose their their heavy CGI moments really carefully I of Aldani this moment you know a lot of the like big you know picture ship stuff you're right it's this it's I of Aldani that stuff that is you're not choreographing a I mean there's a fight scenes in al-Dani but Luther didn't draw a

lightsaber and do a lightsaber fight here but we still get the under we understand that he is a badass in combat situations he's cool headed it's so effective because we get so little it like it hits so hard because we get so little of it and it's like

you get the spectacle of it all like you get to go whoa it is so funny like so much of the show is like this is James Bond stuff in a show that frequently is John John LaCarray. Like, it is... You're right. Like, this is if

George Smiley like... Revealed the, like, the laser pen, you know? Or, like, did the other... Like, the watch laser that Bond has, or pops out the little sawblades on the side of the car. This is not the type of spy show we're

in normally. And then it just happens. It's incredible. Oh, the shot at the end... The shot at the end of the sequence. I don't know if y'all like, if this was noticeable on the first watch, because it wasn't for me because of how I was just overwhelmed. But the final shot of the sequence is the commander shaking his head

and looking out the front window. But the window is, you can see the reflection on the window of the front tractor beam dish, just utterly obliterated, just confetti. Yes. It's so good. It's just so good. Oh, God. Well, that just happened.

Oh, I'm so glad that's not the show we're watching. Well, and just, again, so much of the show is also like... Roger, Roger. Okay, but wait, if season two introduces an old battle droid from the prequels, that is... That would be good. That would be so good. You did be to a new droid family. Uh-huh.

Like, the... And, like, you know, it's another thing. where so often we see things going wrong for the empire because mid-level dumbasses are doing things they really shouldn't like you just like you shouldn't stick your nose into this but like the structure of the empire encourages way too many like small time authoritarian busy bodies to like just go digging where they have no business digging

and once again we see it here where you know in this guy's defense hey you almost caught access at a random traffic stop totally on the other hand you like you were clearly you had a you had a battleship and you were not prepared not a battleship it was like a destroyer but like not prepared for what this one guy could do and now now your ship is basically busted yeah uh-huh 144 troops on that ship apparently crude wait crewed by 2,700 officers pilots and crew no no way really that's what the that's what the website says That feels high. That thing looks small. And a Star Destroyer. Yeah. Well, I guess Star Destroy is like 40,000 people.

That's the thing, right? I started to start a city, right? Ship, like Star Wars ship sizes are weird. So, from there, we go, we've got, we go back to our old buddy at the transport yard on Farix. The dude. Zan. Yeah. And he gets a phone call.

And it's very funny because, once again, we have an attempt to speak in code and, like, try to, like, be on the slide. If the connection is too bad, the dude can't figure out it's Andor. So he has no idea what this guy is talking about. And he's like, Cass, you keep having these moments, like, shh, don't say anything. Don't say anything. Shut up now. But all Andor wants to do is get the message to Marva that, like, I'm thinking of mom, I'm going to miss her. And I'm going to take care of her.

What's he say? What's he say? He says, she'd be proud of me. Break my fucking heart. because he's committed now, right? He's like, I busted a bunch of people out of prison, out of an imperial prison. She was right. We have to stand up to this thing.

She'd be proud of me what I did. She'll never, she doesn't know. She has no idea. She died not knowing who her son really was. Bro. And his buddy has to be the bearer of this news. He's like, I just, like, I can't pass the message. She's gone.

And we get the cut. to the row of of empty payphones on this on the shore as Desla Sunset Desla Sunset

Malshi and his little vacation clothes Finn Jake he has He looks so good Well okay But the fit is The fit is incredible I want the shirt

What's the shirt look like Little Empire logos to me Little Empire logos And little six-sided like cog shapes My guy You just broke out Of building these

You were building these for years Or whatever It's like his subconscious Came for you He's like oh this one looks nice But We got to make this shirt for real This has to

We have to start looking like this In real life They got the accessories too He's got a necklace on His hair looks good here You know what I mean He's got the beard looks good The like facial hair situation

Tom's are coming back That's right That's right I need the milk beat very action figure very badly did you see

did you see they added they added an andor pack to the Lego Star Wars game that's so funny

did they they added they added an or pack to the Lego Star Wars game I have to see wait exactly

who's in there hold on the the line here another line here that got me and you know maybe

maybe this is also worth just dropping in here to hear and or try to hold together. Melchie is like what's he say? He says

Melchie sees him come over and he goes you get through everything okay and Orr's just like nodding his head. Yeah everything okay. I wish he would have opened up. Yeah. One day they will. I believe it. I believe that these are boys like this is they will become boys. We know they become boys eventually right? Because he's in Look at the handshake. Like, they're bros.

They're bros now. This is it for real. I mean, this is the thing. This is the wild shit, right? Is Melchie ends up being part of that, not just like part of Rogue One as like, I mean, he's a bad. He's not a main, main character, obviously, right? But he, he ends up being, he ends up going in to get Gin Erso out. Like, he's a key member of the crew that goes to get Gin Erso in the middle of.

in the middle of of the beginning of towards the beginning of Rogue One and it's like that doesn't happen if Andor isn't busting them out of prison And that doesn't happen if Andor isn't on Niamos And that doesn't happen if Andor doesn't go to Aldani And that doesn't happen if Andor didn't have to escape from pharix

And that doesn't happen if Cyril Karn Doesn't try his hardest To figure out who killed two Corpo security agents Cyril Karn saves Gen or so, by indirectly, gives the rebels the plans to blow up the Death Star and elevate Luke Skywalker. If Cyril Karn says, there's something about these, this shit that happened on Primor, you know, outside of the, the brothel, and listen, and his boss goes, listen, just make it disappear. And he goes, all right, boss, Empire, fine. She's Palpatine Emperor for life.

hundred years his reign goes on we never even get to clone sheave that's it he could have stayed out of Rise of Skywalker yeah uh huh Cyril car could have stopped it he's about to now with his mother's credit card

oh oh my god I wish we would have got a shot of him crushing a piggy bank I know digging all little quarters We didn't actually talk about

this scene We should talk about the scene itself We should Besides Melchie's Oh yeah Or looking out of the On the sea

Well They make this Melchie makes The devastating decision That Well What's fascinating

About the scene Is Melchie is So adamant About the fact That they need People need to know What happened to us

Like, people need to know that this is what's going on. It's not, I'm free, I'm out. But Melchie's like, we might have been the only two people that survived. Yes. People need to know. I love the fact that we start this episode with Melchie and in Cassian having this conversation where Melchie's saying, you aren't hearing me, you aren't hearing. Like, listen, and they're going back and forth about.

listening and hearing and all this kinds of itself and then fast forward to here it's all about needing I mean this is you know throughout throughout the past couple episodes especially and throughout the show as a whole right it's this one for sure um that we need to be heard we have to get the word out like people have to have to know about this and it's hitting and or at this just such a confused time because he's just received word that Marva's dead he just escaped like a human

atrocity on Narcina 5 and where did like everything just changed for Andor in the span of like two minutes like he called Marva with one future ahead of him full of optimism

and like I'm going to who knows who knows what that with that you know I imagine it's like a more positively like warmer future and then now with the with the knowledge that marva is dead and melchie's coming at him like we have to we have to talk about this we have to get this out we have to split up we can't stay together because the only way if we are the only two people that survived then the only the greatest chance of success at getting the word out about what

happened to us is that we split up so that if if somebody finds one of us they only found one of us they didn't find both of us which is like I get it I get it I get it but also it's nice to have someone that has your back around you know what I mean like it's true yeah I mean this is the trade you're trying to make is like but if we're together and they get us they get us both and that's also risky and also Melchie doesn't know that there's a rebellion out I don't think Cass has told him shit About El Dani, but you know what I mean? All that is, so it feels like Melchie has that fire in him that's like, if it's not me, it's nobody, you know?

It's not us. We have to go do it. Andor is a little more like, I mean, Andor is a little more like my mom is dead. This sucks. I'm going to look out onto the waves and ponders. He's just like he's in this like other world. Like he's in a totally different headspace as Melchie. she's talking at him, and he's got to, like, come back to and be here for Melshi after receiving

these devastating news. It's like, it's... I do think when Melchie says, people have to know what's going on, and Orr says, I know. That's sort of, like, outside of when he was talking to Kino, I think that's sort of the most honest. And, like, the moment that we've seen him steal himself and really accept that, like, I have to be a part of this thing. Yep. A hundred percent. A hundred 100%. And what's he say? He says, you know, how many people do you think made it out? And he says not enough. And he's not just talking about the prison. He's talking about his mother being dead. He's talking about what happened on pharix. How many people got away from the empire? He did. He got away from Aldani. Not enough people got away from Al-Dani. Right? He is, this is the moment of acceptance. This comes before. He's going to go read the treaty, you know, the treatise. this is before he's you know completely revolution-pilled but he's always known in his heart and now he's accepting that and he brings him for the hug there's a resolve that cassian has at towards the end you know as we progress to this conversation that gets stronger and stronger that he like

there's a a determine a focus that comes into into view for him um it also just looks so good one to see it's show Yeah, it's so good. Also, like, the scene also feels like it is echoing Luke Skywalker looking out across the dunes. But again, like, this is like the elemental flip of what they're associated with. Like, for Andor, it's, it's the ocean, it's water. To a degree, it's like life, it's vibrancy. And for Luke and the Skywalker saga, it is the twin sons of tattooing, the binaries, the duos, the father and son, master and apprentice,

Sith and like Sith Lord. The fact that it is the harshness of the desert and the harshness of like the Jedi Code, the self-denial and discipline that comes with it versus what Andor

arrives at. The flexibility of water. Yeah. The way it fluxes, the way it takes any shape it needs. And what's funny is you know, it seems apparent, Andor is going to that, he's going to that plant that he is going home there's nothing for him there he knows that uh i would be stashed if he

doesn't be very funny if they if they do bait and switch where he just doesn't show and we see him doing something completely different uh in the next episode but what would that be let's like if we have to dream of him not going home we don't know where else he would go right he could go talk to dr quad paw and be like do you know where vell went he could you know what i mean he could track his way to, it'd be very funny to have him on Corrassan and everybody else from Corrassan on Farrex. But it feels like it's building. I think if there's one knock against this episode, and I don't know that I actually,

this isn't an actual knock because I think this is the Star Wars leaking in. It is that it is lining up very nicely for everybody to be on Farrix. And I think there's a version of this story, the George Smiley version, that, you know, that version, the car story or the, you know, in general, that style of spy and crime fiction that is more naturalistic and says, well, no, why would he go back there? He knows it's a trap. He's going to stay away. Why would, oh, yeah, really, the fucking guy from Primor happened to know the right guys to then call Carn and let Karn know so that Karn could hop on the train and, or the, not the train, but the spaceship

to go there. It is very, like, it is very authored. It feels authored to get all of our main characters together on stage at once. And I don't, I think that it's a fair knock if what you want is that certain style of a fiction. But I don't mind that bleeding in here. I don't mind the, again, we've had lots of stage writers, your screen, yeah, theater stage writers on playwrights is the word I'm looking for. We have lots of playwrights involved here, people who've done, you know, work on the stage. And there is, there is a sort of theatricality to this final going into the big climax, right?

that feels fine for Star Wars. It is a little bit of the mythopoetic stuff coming in, a little bit of the like everything is aligning. Everyone is going to be where they need to be. And I think it mostly works. And I'm excited for it. And I would like to be watching it right now, please. Thank you.

Can you give it to us, please? I mean, this is all us for like not ever conceiving of us as ourselves as like a media outlet. I'm sure six months ago we should, have reached out and been like, hi, we do a podcast with thousands of listeners. And, you know, we would love to be put on the screener list. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. We didn't even know we were going to do Antor six months ago. Pro, if we had done Obi-Wong. I thought that this the other day. If we had done Canobi, what's the name of that show? Is it Kenobi? It's not called the whole,

is it called the whole thing? I think it's called the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. Wow, it really is called the Obi-Wan Kenobi show starring you and McGreg. It says the whole, it says the whole, yeah, if we had done that it would have scared us off of doing this live and i'd be so i'd be so mad i'm so glad we didn't do this for obiwan we just lucked out that show could have been great i would have i would love to go back and listen to our reactions to the obiwan trailer because i re-listened to our reaction to the and or trailer we were right and we were we were we were geeked off that one like truly we were like a lot of it we just spent silent we were like we were like a lot of it we just spent silent we're like what like just watching it just watching um for people who don't know we

we watched that and i think we put that up on the up on the patreon our initial thing right i think it was in amca episode 39 oh once it was a regular episode yeah at the end yeah at the end of that episode okay so yeah we're hyped on it i'm ready what else is there to say what more can i say you know You know, I'm curious if next episode gives us a motivation for him to go to Farrix because the one thing is he was told, like if he knew the Bix, for instance, was in jail, I could see that maybe bringing him back or something. Like right now, the only thing you can see is he has no other connections to this universe. Malchie's like, I have to go and sound, I have to go bear witness for this.

And they're probably going to kill me for doing that, but I'm going to go off and often do that. And you should go do the same somehow. But, like, he has no connections left anywhere in this universe. He has a sister that we do not know if, you know, is alive or dead, but there's no, there's no leads. The trail is cold. There's only pharix. You know, Aldani, there's no one left there that would remember him. There's nothing there for him.

There's no way to reach out to Luton's group, except through Bix, maybe, once again. But, yeah, he's completely cut off, and maybe it would just be, maybe it's pure sentiment that's going to bring him back to Farrex. I mean, the dude wants to bury his mother You know, he wants to be in there When the brick goes in the wall That's what it is, right? He's gonna show up, I think, in like Some, you know, form of disguise or something

And imagine, he imagines that he can go In disguise and be in the back of the room Or like the back of the crowd And just watch it happen And then leave Ferrex Once and for all Maybe give a kiss to B2 email on the way out, maybe But

Can we put it... He's to go get his dog. Can we put to rest? Did we already put this one to rest? Which one? The terrible fan theory that B2 Emo is going to become K2S. That's horrible.

He's not horrible. Horrible. No, Alan Tudor and what? His personality completely transformed. This is what I'm saying. It's a different... Alan Tudik does a totally different performance. There's no overlap.

Alan Tudic plays a reformed killer, kill droid. That is his whole character as a droid who has become aware of what he was and what he did and is now working for the good guys, but also still kind of likes fucking people up. I should really quick, I want to be clear. This is like, someone tweeted this at me like three or four weeks ago, and I was not annoyed at this person because it's a, it's a thought that comes out and you go like, oh, could this be did a, like,

and I, you know, I want to be clear I'm not dragging that particular person who graciously was like, I have a theory. I'm not, I don't want to show him that particular person. But when fans, but when fans cites and, and YouTuber, you know what I mean? those are the people who it's like all right you gave this enough thought that you wrote words behind this this wasn't just a throw off little tweet that you sent to somebody who does a podcast you like this was like you wrote an article

about this come on so weird though too like it was like you know there's this horrible little thing that google phones do if you swipe to the right on the home page you get basically around the web links that Google just aggregates and because I'm me like it populates with a lot of Star Wars stuff and some racing stuff

but like there's articles about like man, did Star Wars just unveil a ship even more powerful than the Millennium Falcon? And I'm like, what are, like, I get, you know what, to be fair? When I was 12 years old, I would have had those arguments over the lunch table, like, Luthenship's way better than the Millian Falcon, you're kidding?

That thing's a piece of junk. Luke's right, it's just really fast. But, like, Lutthens job is a custom job that, like, yeah. But it's just weird that, like, there's an entire economy around, got to write about how big do we think the ship is? You know what I mean?

Can Star Wars create a ship so heavy? Sorry, I'm reading a screen rant article. What? Why? Why? Star Wars makes Alderon's death star fate even sadder. A reference to Alderon and or episode 11 made the planet's destruction at the hands the empire and a new hope, and even more. tragic moment because the RMV codes

I think because he uses fake Alderadian paperwork uh-huh oh yeah Tarkin was definitely like remember that traffic stop when our ship got taken out Alderan is going to get there's no argument here no there's no argument here

there's none put the keyboard away log off this is so funny this is so funny Log off. Clearly, his goal is to show the empire that he's harmless. And the fact that he used Alderan to make this point highlights the peaceful nature of Alderanian citizens. No, it doesn't. Shut the fuck up. Wait, what?

They're saying, because Luton used Alderan tags, that indicates that in the imperial imaginary, Alderan is chill. That it's like, well, pirates don't come from Alderan. Shut up. It's just a place. I'm so I like I this writer has a has a quote of the hit in terms of how many pieces I like we've had friends who've done these jobs we've had friends who've done these jobs get the bag I've got these jobs jobs suck 13 years ago I was part of one of these content mills you know what I mean that all that shit's gone thankfully yeah you know but like I was writing

for it was like the examiner had a not the not the Washington examiner which is a right wing website but it was like a Forbes style blogging model you were just kind of like go ahead and write your shit and if you get hits you get like pennies all on the dollar from our ad rev. I've done that work. It's bad work. I'm, you know, shout-outs to anyone who feels like they're suffering, they have to do it to pay the bills.

Please, I'm begging you. Well, and also, let's be clear, the way the empire regards Alderan is it's a bunch of disloyal, morally vain shitheads. Like, they hate Alderon because it's like, we know you hate the empire, and we also know your gutless, pacifist punks who weren't going to do shit.

anyway yeah so but it's yeah it's a beautiful ending it's this this is an episode it is just nonstop gut punches and this is you know I would feel like you know there've been a lot episodes where come to the end I'm like man I'm really eager to see the the next one but I haven't been like different this is a need this is a primal need like I need food and water in sleep in dreams. I need to see the next episode. When am I watching this? When is this happening?

Why is Thanksgiving next week? We need to cancel Thanksgiving right now immediately. No more Thanksgiving for anyone at all because we need to record and or. This thing is going to go live in the middle of the night, Tuesday night effectively, but early hours of Wednesday morning, right? It goes midnight. 3 a.m. Yeah.

midnight Pacific That's not workable That's not working Sorry Everyone fly to L.A. Tomorrow We'll watch it at midnight Together

on Tuesday And we can record at my house And then Natalie can go Across the driveway To her family Thanksgiving And we can fly home On Thanksgiving Eve No you can come to my

Thanksgiving It'll be fun That sounds pretty good Honestly If I'm on Thanksgiving Yumme it's gonna have the vibes of like when you go home for Thanksgiving

but then you go for a drink out with your friends on the Wednesday night but it's going to be us watching Andor. And then recording a podcast about it. I so wish we could do this. Like I do so wish we could do an in-person thing because it would be a fun fun way to wrap. One day. We will one day.

We will wait. Not for Andor. They should invite us to the next Star Wars celebration. I think we've earned it. Happy Day of Life Day by the way, everyone. Oh, it's lunch day. Happy Life Day. Happy Life Day. We have to do an in-person season two, episode one.

Like a kickoff. Yeah. We should rent a, they should put us in a theater. They should. They, meaning Lucasfilm, should buy a theater. And then they should fly us out to Skywalker Ranch. We should do it in the friggin' Disneyland theater where they used to play Michael Jackson and then they did the like Star Wars, Wave of the Force, Luke Skywalker mini movie.

I never saw that. No, I saw the Michael Jackson one when I was a kid, Captain E.O., of course. Yeah. Which is sort of Star Warsy in places. You know what I mean? Like, that's, he's trying. So we will, we will be back at some point in about a week's time. We are not sure how the recording and production is going to be cold.

Yeah. If you're suffering, more suffering. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Because we want to deliver this to you. More than anything. so badly. So just think of us as be sober.

But also family holiday vacation plans. This is going to be a, this is going to be a tough one to have go out on time. But that will do it for today's episode. Until next time, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice. Which can be hard, by the way. I was in a meeting with my boss, Richard, Foggy, shout out to Fogie. And he was, we were talking about Andor because that's what we do in our one-on-ones. We do that at the very end of our one-on-ones.

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And until then... Enjoy the final episode of Andor. It's been a great journey. We're having such a good time. Yeah. Thanks for being there with us. Okay, wait, they put Cyril Karn in Lego Star Wars I forgot I was I was researching that

So it's it's Cyril Karn Luthen, Kass Bix and Dedra Just running around in In Lego Star Wars or is it like a DLC You're just hanging For 299 they can just hang out with you For 299 they can just hang

Wait, who was it? Luton, Bix, Cyril, and or, and Dejah, Dejah. Weird. The squad. Oh, yeah, that's them. They're all going to meet next week. So the thing is, they'll finally meet, though. And Cyril, like, Cyril's going to see what it was to have a good, like, supportive mother,

and it's going to, like, it's going to thaw him. It's going to break him. Seeing the love that everyone has for Marva. everyone had what if Edie shows up she's like you took my credit card you fucking dumbass

son of mine that there's a warrant out for him that there's a warrant out for him she files a missing person's report for a serial card I want him to get stopped at the airport and Edie has to pick him up

it's so funny oh my God I need her to continue to ruin his life even more. Please, please, please, please. I'm begging. He's going to kill her. He's going to snap. Oh, yeah. He's going to kill her.

Yeah. No, I mean, again, Norman Bates. It's okay, Uncle Harlow. You keep saying this. You keep saying this. Happy holidays, everybody. Best wishes to your families. We're going to be able to be. Thank you.