A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 55: The Clone Protocol 66 Arc (Clone Wars 109-113)

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

Happy New Year! As everyone moves into the new year, we're moving both backwards and forwards at the same time. With the Autumn of Andor (mostly) behind us, we return to our ongoing Clone Wars rewatch. But we also move forward into a new season, picking up with Anakin Skywalker feeling a little more dour than usual as he leads a tired clone force in a circular battle against a foe he thought was long since vanquished. The already troubled situation slips into crisis when... well, you should really watch these episodes and/or listen to us dissect them to get the whole picture. Just know: Today, we finally answer one of the longest running mysteries of the franchise.  NEXT TIME: Episodes 113 - 115 ("An Old Friend," "The Rise of Clovis," "Crisis at the Heart") Show Notes Deaths: Jedi Master Tiplar, Commander Droid Kraken, Tup (CT-5385), Fives (CT-27-5555) 😔 😔 😔 Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, Clone Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakeney, joined by Aliaqompora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. You know, long before we even thought about starting AMCA, one of the big questions that I certainly kept returning to a lot in the DMs that eventually turned into this podcast was the degree to which the clones were hardwired to execute Order 66, and to what degree was it also maybe a subconscious desire? Where did it come from? That instantaneous switch we see get flipped

when Cody seamlessly goes from grinning at Obi-Wan as they're on the cusp of victory in the Civil War to ordering him gunned down seconds later. Do any of the clones we meet in the Clone Wars have a hope of escaping this destiny that's rushing towards everyone? All of this gets answered, mostly tragically over the course of these opening four

episodes of Season 6 as our old friend Fives, the last surviving member of Domino Squad, stumbles on the entire conspiracy at the heart of the clone army and the war with the separatists. After a clone, Tup, executes Order 66 unprompted

and shoots a Jedi in the back during combat. He and Fives are brought to Camino for an investigation into what caused the incident. But Caminoans are already working for Duku and Palpatine and do their best to sabotage the investigation and blame it on a viral infection. Fives with the help of a suspicious medical droid, AZ1, proves that the rogue clone was implanted with a organic microchip in his brain that malfunctioned. Master Shakti brings the chips

and fives back to Coruscant to present them to Palpatine, accompanied by not-so-mad scientist Nalisei, who supplies Palpatine with ample evidence to brush the entire incident off. To seal the deal, Palpatine sees Five alone and reveals Darth Sidious to the arch trooper. Fives freaks out, understandably tries to kill Palpatine, but is stopped by Shockty, who just cannot stop taking L's during this arc. And once again, a manhunt ensues targeting a staunch ally of the Jedi. Fives manages to get to Rex and Anakin, but is too stricken with fear, paranoia, and drugs

that Nalusay slipped him to coherently relate what is happening beyond the fact that there is a massive conspiracy against the Jedi that goes all the way to the top. Before they can ask further questions, Commander Fox and the red uniformed clones that we talked so much about last time arrive and kill fives. In the end, Palpatine and Nalisei give the Jedi the official story that fives and the other clones were stricken with a viral agent and the entire clone army must be inoculated against it. The Jedi accept this story. But as the credits roll, Yoda does at least look suspicious and troubled or maybe his face just be like that. Anyway, do you think Nouveau-Vind, I have to jump in here.

Do you think Nouveau-Vindy, like, laid the groundwork for this virus, like, conspiracy seed? Like, they're, like, not, he didn't touch it at all, but you're saying, like, because they know about Zub-Vindy. Exactly. Because there was, like, a virus moment. I feel like... Talk about making lemonade. Like you find out that your scientist was like, how long gonna kill all organic life in the galaxy?

And you're like, too far. But... But... We could use it. I will also say, so I started reading one of the Karen Travis clone... Clone Wars books. Oh, hell yeah.

And like at the center of that is they're raiding a bio-weapons lab that is working on a can't... Like, because they're all clones, there's no genetic diversity in the population. They're engineering a targeted virus to wipe them out. So this is an idea that gets played around with a little bit in the universe around the Clone Wars. But, gang, honestly, I'm still canon, or is that material? Has that been lost to the EU? I don't know.

I don't know where the Karen Travis stuff ends up. It's being made in dialogue with the show, certainly. But I don't know if it survives sort of the purge. of EU material that ends up happening, especially around the Disney acquisition. But honestly, like, before we get into the nitty gritty here, I just got to say, I am both ecstatic over this Katie Lucas penned arc,

but also completely fucking wrecked. Yeah, uh-huh. I know. Are you wrecked because of the content or because of what it means in terms of where we are in our arc with the Clone Wars? Oh, man, maybe a little bit of both because the end is coming in view.

But, like, also, I feel like Five is the character we've known for so long in this series. Yeah. Yeah. He's a structural support in some ways, right? Like, he's the only clone that feels like a better clone than Rex. You know what I mean? Like, Rex is caught up in the, I mean, that's what this whole thing ends up being about, right?

Rex is like the best you get. And then Fives is like a little bit better by nature of not needing to interface constantly with the Jedi and be the back and forth, be the commander. Yeah. Do you mean by the best clone in terms of just like our, our relationship to him? My fave. And like the person who's like going to be able to see through, like, you know, thinking about the Embara arc, think about going back to the rookie stuff. Like fives holds it together in such a big way. And is like in the way that, you know, we talk sometimes about like Obi-Wan Kenobi is like the Jedi in some ways.

Like obviously there's a, and part of that's just like historical. Obi-Wan-Kinobe is the first Jedi in Star Wars. And so he becomes the template Damn. I never thought about that. It's like, okay, you know, Yoda is Obi-Wan, but more wise. And Mason-W-N-Doo is Obi-Wan, but more

like Shatterpoint, you know? Yeah. It's like, there's like, you're playing with the template. Fives to me is like, it rex is that for me. And Fives is the version of that Rex template that's just like cooler and better.

His name's Fives. Yeah. He's C2. CT 5555. He's a five on his face. Like, he's sick. He's great. I love him.

But, Rob, to the second point of, like, one of the things that you messaged us between episodes was about the quality of this show and the fact that we know that, and maybe some of our listeners don't know this, that season six is the last season of Clone Wars until season seven, seven years later or something like that, right? Which is just absolutely bananas to me. Like, how did that, how did that happen? We'll talk about it, but. I mean, I think, Rob, your specific thing is you said, I cannot believe they canceled the show in its moment of triumph. And do not get into astonishment. However, these are some astonishing episodes.

Well, it feels like in the last couple arcs, they've really hooked it all up, like, where the show sits in dialogue with the films, the richer thematic material that the show, like, deals with at its best. And just also being a first rate What is the way to put this? I think the show has done a great job of carving out a separate aesthetic identity from Star Wars in some ways

just in terms of like Well maybe this leads us into the first episode Honestly Even though the four episodes are a tightly connected arc I think there's there's I for me it feels like one A two-parter and then a one Is how it kind of feels for me

But the first one you know it is action-packed I would say but not necessarily in a way that I associate like with the Star Wars movies it feels again like more like the type of action

that the show's gotten really good at a little more I think because it is at its best I think it is not quite as focused on the heroics of a Luke Skywalker or Han Solo there's a beat in this where there's a drone boarding

action, a droid boarding action that is happening. We see it through the eyes of a clone medic who is just watching all this unfold and ever get gunned down. We just stay on him. And his growing terror as he realizes, like, this is all happening. And they're not going to get out of this. That's a great example of just how much better the show's gotten at its action, too, in that it understands that you could have a point of view character who's a throwaway character. That medic isn't named. We don't come back to that medic. The medic gets got. but by giving the camera that a character's point of view, not literally first person point of view,

but like it's following that character, that whole sequence gains a whole lot of intensity and peril. Yeah, and I think like it is, like it's all Star Wars stuff, but yes, it doesn't totally feel like the action sequences in a Star Wars film. The setup for this is kind of cool too. they're fighting on a halo basically they're fighting on a halo we haven't we been to halo before i feel like we've talked about coming to halo um boba fet season but boba fat had that ring world

that rando was on right right right right right is it the same one wringo vanda or i guess i don't know if it's ringo vanda or not also calling it wringo something is very fun no it's stupid you know it's both to me um i don't think it is it's not the same one. And it's not really a halo. It is a halo, but it's a, it's a station. It's a, it's a station that is a big ring around a planet. You're not outside. You're not like a ring world, but it's, you ever played, uh, Halo? No, um, Unreal tournament. Yes. Like, the clone army and the droid army are trapped on facing worlds. Right. And they're just going back and forth across the space station. It's turning to trench warfare aboard. Hey, by the way, speaking of trench war, warfare, our boy is back. Everyone's favorite big spider. Oh, he made it. Oh, I made it.

Without explanation, he is just in charge of this separatist war effort fighting basically like literally pitched battles in the corridors of the space station where like they're basically like welding doors shut against each other and then like unlocking them to go like sending waves of troops through. It's very, it's very like trench warfare in a big ring station. but uh and it's being overseen by spider guy yeah who is now 50% prostheses and the prostheses rule they look tight shit oh i didn't i didn't clock that at all yeah he's a cyborg there he has like a big cyborg eye is one of his eight eyes and then and mandibles cybernetic half of his

mandibles and then like half of his arms have like uh almost like gold embossed like it's a it's a destiny-ass look. He looks like a destiny quest giver now in a real way. I love I love that. I have no idea if we ever get more of this guy. I don't know. And that's okay. I'm happy he this is the most, you know how

everyone's like a feloni, your famous plocoon? That's why plocoon's and everything. If I was making the show, I would have done this exact maneuver. Just put trench back in and act like it's not a big deal. He's cyborg now. Don't worry about it. That's great. And he sounds so much like Vader. He sounds so much like Vader. And again,

I think it calls to mind like you're starting to realize it's weird one thing the series is doing is like man it's not just that Vader is like palpatine's golem that he's using the original trilogy this one guy replaces everybody in the separate that he was using with the separatist like Vader is at once his like elite Jedi killer he is his you know admiral in command And he is everything that, you know, Palpatine used to have to work through a variety of cutouts to deal with. But the Jedi are being, it's always a bad sign, not for the Jedi, but if you are one of these characters, if you are two Jedi we've never met before and your twin siblings, there's two. There's two of you. Rip.

It does not bode well. Like the minute you see there's two, I'm just like, huh, why are there two? and it is because during these incredible like pitch battles as they are preparing to press their advantage and take some real ground from Trench and the separatists one of the clones a clone who's rescued fives at the start of this arc top begins like getting a little like foggy headed he's fuzzy he's got a headache

and he is glowering at the Jedi and saying repeatedly what good soldiers follow orders and we know this is alarming behavior all five's knows like hey buddy you got to snap out of it well he doesn't during the climactic assault

in like this hangar bay as they're driving on like literally I think they're driving on trenches command post do you realize who this is by the way Top? Yeah. Top of the Barra.

Yeah. It was he the, he wasn't the, the, he wasn't a dweeb. He know, he's the one who figured out how to kill Krell. He's the one who almost got eaten by the big plant monster. And then was like, yo, we can make Krell get eaten by the big plant monster. Mm-hmm. Okay, also, did he always have the prison ink? He did.

I don't, because I saw, I was like, did he get that after Ibar? Because that would be sick. But no, he always had it. How did we never talk about that? I don't fucking know how we never talked. Maybe we did, and we just don't remember. How is that possible? We talked about a million things.

Hey, brother. Why do you prison ink marking your kill? It's so funny. But yeah, he, and I think something that's, it is, like, I think a through line in this is almost a refusal of the Jedi to see what is coming. Because as he goes into kill mode and walks up to. one of the two Jedi's Tiplar

he like places the gun almost against her head she turns around has a long beat to see she looks alarmed turns around sees him staring at her down the barrel of the gun and relaxes

it's literally the S&L like what to say like it's like I was like come on you're watching it fucking walk towards you with a Glock pointed at skull like and she was just like it was so painful you know it's surprising these people

have had your back the whole time you're a Jedi you can't be surprised well we no we oh badness for the Jedi Revenge of the Sith is coming was that like the one emotion they didn't like practice was surprise was yeah but I mean if you also want to think about like a through line you find both like an ancient and like modern sources for like when slave revolts happen is nobody can believe like people see the signs they just can't conceive of them as threats I guess another like a really good analogy in some ways might be like the mutiny in India the great mutiny where like tons of the Indian forces that the British Empire used to main control the country like rose up and like damn near achieved independence uh in a really bloody campaign but like it is just a refusal to conceptualize like oh yeah these these people who i depend on their their servitude and also they're like wielding of violence uh to impose power you can't conceive of them as threats because that jeopardize because that that that mental leap jeopardizes the entire project you but that that power is impossible to

maintain if you start to recognize that like what this what this threat represents and so you see yeah tiplar has that moment and just does not react and get shot and it causes the it causes the attack to come apart um what's kind of cool here too is man trench is just the coolest because it's such a good piece how important this is and ducu is actually trying to downplay it The Republic forces are in full retreat. But this is not why you have contacted me, is it? No, count. In truth, the Republic had pushed my droids to the breaking point

when they suddenly turned and fell back. It seemed that at the height of the conflict, a clone turned on his Jedi general and... Executed her. Intentionally. I saw it with my own eyes. I have studied clones and fought against them in many battles. This action is unlike anything.

I have witnessed in their behavior as soldiers. So, there is a traitor in them. It's rare. But such things have been reported in the past. Not a traitor. This was different, it seemed. Yes, Admiral. It seemed as it is.

as if the clone could not help himself, as if he was entranced. Thank you, Admiral. I will take this under advisement. When he is reporting this in, Duku does not understand the magnitude of what just happened, but Trench keeps trying to explain

this is not normal. Like, it isn't normal behavior, and it's not a freak out, it's something else. And that is what tips the separatists. We don't know yet how much they know, but they really realize that the Jedi cannot be allowed to examine the soldier. And so that's a, the other through line that defined this arc is trying to prevent first top,

but later any sort of research from this case from finding its way to the Jedi Council. You said that Duku's trying to downplay it. So are you agreed with me then that Duku understands exactly what happened basically immediately and is like trying to make sure that Trench doesn't understand that he knows that this is something. Like he's trying to keep Trench at arm's lane. Yeah. It's probably not a big, you know.

Right. I don't think that Trench is revealing, my read on it. First of all, that sequence is just great. Trench is watching the hollow footage back and like back again and again and again. We're just talking about the division style hollow footage that you like walk through during the bombing arc last episode. And again, it's just like giant hologram

that Trench is looking at of the kill that's like rotating around in 3D. And Trench like puts it together basically immediately that something strange is up. And the thing that Duku specifically said, Duku keeps creating kind of outs, you know, where it's like, well, it's rare

but there've been traders in the past, you know, referencing, doesn't use the word slick, but men, you know, there have been traitors. Trench has to be like, well, no, no, no, no, not a traitor. This isn't a traitor. This is something else. It's as if the clone couldn't help himself. And my read on that, especially with what unfolds soon, is that Duke who knows this is Order 66. Duku knows Protocol 66. Excuse me. And eventually we'll call Cidius to talk through this. But I thought that was a very interesting moment because I think one of the things that comes to the foreground in these episodes is who, is in on it and who is not, because it's both a wider net than you might think, and also it feels like trenches out of the loop. Trench is not saying, hey, I think something's up with our Order 66 shit because I couldn't, you know. One other small thing here before we keep

moving past this initial set of battles. Rob, I kept thinking about you saying in our last episode that in long conflicts, armies come to resemble each other as we see the deployment of shields for the clones, just physical material shields, not the destroyer droids like personal force fields but it's still like that's not what the war started out looking like now it's two groups of shielded enemies walking towards each other trying to get past shields and that's and you know lightsabers are sort of a shield the way that they're used anyway but this is now like it's happened and now they're on a fucking ring walking towards each other claiming a room losing a room claiming a room losing a room it's

very it's very much the thing you were saying it looks kind of cool like Droidca's used to be like one of the most deadly enemies in the arsenal. And like the Jedi and the clones have it down to a science to take these things out. Like they deploy a squad of Droidca's to like shut down this advance. And it takes them like three seconds to clear it because they're just really good at the Droidca is done. You know what I mean? It's like still useful under some circumstances, but it is no longer a Trump car. If you're close up to roll a grenade at it.

Yep. Especially if the Jedi can assist at you. They do a little back tip so they can't even traverse their guns. Yep. Yeah. They've all learned that Anderon, that Anderon grenade throw where it, like, just softly rolls past the shield that we remember from that art. Yeah. So, um, anyway.

Yeah, so they immediately have to have to, have to, like, do a debrief of what happened here. And everyone seems to recognize that, like, this is so weird that the only person who's really, like, furious at Top is, understandably, the Jedi who's sister, uh, Tip Lee, uh, you know, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. curious, but... Yeah, the reaction is like... Anakin's like, okay, we got to regroup, I guess, because this guy just, like, shot one of the Jedi, so we got to pull back... Like, he's...

Like, I would be like, what the fuck is going on? A fucking clone just shot a Jedi. Like, what is happening? Well, isn't Anakin... Okay, did Anakin's voice drop a little bit? Um, I don't know who felt this. Okay, how conspiratorial are we getting... about to get here. Only a little bit. I think he's in his feelings. I think Assoca is gone and he is in

military mode. He's down, he's down here now. It's time for phase two. He's not. Let's go. Time for Plan B. Do you know what I mean? And I'm getting a little conspiratorial, but mostly from the one of the first notes I made even before this was just that Anakin feels like he's in a different mode here. And we've seen he's a military all-star Like it's not new that he's a general He's General Skywalker But there is a certain sort of like Stoicism that I don't associate with him

In his style of command here He does some heroics later Like I'm not saying he isn't that guy But there is a It felt different to me And it felt like the performance Was like truly It was like dropped just not a full octave or something

But like just a little A little more grim A little more serious I was worried you were about to get at. I think Anakin likes to see Jedi die now. No, no, no, no, no, no. But it does, it does feel like a certain relinquishing. Like, is it that, like, Anikin's beginning to lose his, lose,

he's feeling like he's losing his grip on this war on his own. I think he's quiet quitting. Stop it. I think he's like, just got to get through the war. Just got to, we're almost done. We're almost done. We just got to get through the war. I'm just going to be, I'm just going to show up and.

I'll do what to ask, but I'm not going to go above and beyond. No more touchdown throws, you know? I respect it. I do think earlier Anakin, there would have been that sort of like for the team, like, oh, you came for a Jedi, you came for me. I have to take care of Tup. And we do not see any of that from him here. He's like, chill about it weirdly.

Yeah. It was really shocking to me. I mean, we've seen Anakin act out more for less. Like, he has been, he's a notoriously explosive, impulsive person, especially when seeing, you know, somebody he cares about. Maybe a Jedi isn't, this random Jedi isn't the epitome of someone he cares about. But, like, there's still a Jedi, which is an order that he has the utmost respect for and is part of. It's part of, yeah. We know he can't walk, he can't bring himself to walk away from them.

So the thing that the person who he cares about here, and past Anakin, I think, would have acted differently for, are the clones. The idea that his clones could be being manipulated by somebody else is wild. And like that to me feels like where he would have been like, they must have some sort of mind control device on this station. They must have implanted a brainworm. They must have done X, Y. None of that. Let's get him to a doctor. We'll have the doctor look.

Yeah, as well, the entire, the way in which it's taught, like the action. is talked about and described is so it's it's kind of it's kind of reflective of the fact that like for a lot of the people who do with clones they're not fully actualized individuals it's like the clone malfunctioned and for the clones it's like no something must be wrong with them but like none of us would do that they recognize that like the the moral boundary that's in all of them uh is simply like that just that wouldn't that would none of them would do that But I feel like for the Jedi, with the exception of Tip Lee, who's, like, having an emotional reaction to this, like, most, like, I think Anakin and most other people who are in the loop on this are like, well, that's weird, but don't fully see it as, like, the absurd portent that it is. Right.

I guess clone killed Jedi now. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it actually, what it's actually speaking to is the Jedi's, the Jedi's conception of, of. what a clone is. Like, this is being seen as an aberration in their programming. It's not being seen as this person just betrayed their relationship to their commander or, you know, betrayed, like, their troop or whatever. It's seen as what, let's investigate this anomaly. Let's investigate this, this aberration in the hardware.

And obviously, it goes more explicitly into that later. But I'm realizing now that, like, I think a part of it is in this immediate reaction to a clone acting out like this. I think what really smart thing they did was have the sort of, you know, Tup does say must kill the Jedi or something when he does the kill. Right. Right. But what he does not. What he says after that is good soldiers follow orders. I think I like about that.

And that's the thing that he's like repeating like a mantra when he's locked up is. that like, yeah, that's true. Jedi would agree with that. Good soldiers follow orders. That's the truth of what the clones are. You don't have to fucking say it. Shut up. Something's wrong with you.

You're saying the quiet part loud. We've built you to be good soldiers that follow orders. But we've also built you to have close personal relationships with us. Right. We have allowed you to have names. Yeah, we will get to the bar also. I'm like so mad. It took us six seasons to get to the fucking clone bar.

It was worth it, though. Yeah, it's so good, but anyway. Allie, it sounds like you have something. Oh, no, no, I just am stoked about that clone bar. I love that the clones go and have shore leave in, like, Boston. That's the vibe. That's the vibe. So they take steps to, they basically have top medevaced out.

but because of Trenz's report to Duku, they launched like a pirate raid to capture him and because everyone's sort of fighting along this ring, like the two camps are basically just divided on different parts of the ring. So this ambush goes off and it's yet again just like... It's so sick. It's a terrifying sequence as the...

We get like a new version of these super battle droids. There's like the big bulky, rounded ones that we get. Yeah, but now they're like equipped for zero-g. Yeah. The dot com, Star Wars.com, says that they're explicitly meant to be designed with their exaggerated shoulders after the females in trotty power armor from Robotech and Macross, which is very fun for me as the anime Mecca fan. I was like, I recognize these from something. And then having Star Wars.com be like, yeah, you recognize these from Macross was extremely good. And yeah, that's what seems where you have the medic sort of realizing that, like, here we do not stay with the clones who are preparing to repel the borders.

So we see them getting gun down and they play around. Star Wars is very selective when zero gravity comes into play. But like, when the ship loses power and everyone starts floating is kind of a cool, ominous sign of like, yep, we are no longer, we're not only your spaceship. We're just sort of disabled and dead in space here. the way the bodies go floating through as the droids fight their way through. And then that scene is sort of capped off

by when later Anakin and Fives and wrecks come and investigate the wreckage. And here we all see again, every year I feel like, wow, the lighting and textures just keep getting it, but they do just keep getting better. That's so good. From the explosive decompression of the ship,

the way the frost has sort of like rhymed all the armor and the faces of the dead clones is just chilling. It's incredible. Also, the difference between like the blue lights, the white lights and the red lights in this structure all just looks so good. There's so like so many small details with this medic scene that are so good, not to like stay with it for too long, but he's shaking as they're boarding. He's scared. He does not want to be doing this. And another thing that I noted was there are two

opportunities to show, what was it, Tiplar? Is that the name of the Jedi who got killed? Yeah. To show Tiplar get shot, and they don't take either of them. They don't show her get shot in the original sequence, something like obscures the shot. And then when Trench is watching it on the hologram, similarly, our camera moves in such a way as to hide the killing blow. They show this medic get shot in the chest. Like, it's a profile shot. I was thinking about that. It, like, it was so obvious like who they were like protecting and respecting

and like who they were okay with showing like I'm super curious what the rules are around it like I really I'm can you not show people who don't have masks get shot in the face because even the medic has on the sort of like breathing apparatus he doesn't have the full mask on

but like it's or are we like really in an arc about how clones aren't being treated like people do we still just feel more comfortable showing Rando clone get shot in the chest than we feel throwaway Jedi get shot in the chest or I guess she gets shot in the head maybe that's part of it. She does get shot in the way.

Yeah, I mean, the whole thing was you're in a real J.FK moment. I think if you look too deeply into that which would have been awesome. Like, welcome to season six. Season six, laser exit wounds. but the other thing about that sequence is like it just feels like maybe in this episode one of the influences it feels like children of men in terms of like how the camera moves through space and how it finds its subjects as it goes through these sequences the other thing is um so so anakin and uh fives and rex decide like fuck it we're gonna go we've gotten the notion of where he is where he's being kept we're gonna go get our boy uh so they go on this like they basically do a navy seals type thing where they float through space and sneak up on the separatist hangar but one of the things the series that the camera calls attention to a lot

in this episode is we are constantly being disoriented by the lack of relative up or down it plays that constantly the characters are are standing on the wall and like aiming down the hallway but now they're beneath you and you're looking down from the ceiling. And you see it in this moment like Anakin and the two like his two clone aides

do the thing where they're so comfortable with it at this point. They just like you know walk along the bottom of the ring and around the lip and like come straight up onto the hangar. But I think one of the things that for me one way I read this is

like just visually it is now for us it is now a world is a series where it's getting harder to tell up from down it's getting harder to tell where are we at what is going on where are things in relation to each other and Anakin and some of these clones

have gotten very adept at navigating that they're not disoriented we are but they don't see it that way this is sort of the water they swim in now and that's that's kind of a cool thing that I feel like the the camera work and choreography is bringing across the other episode.

Can I ask a question about a line? Yeah. What do we, they get up to the top of the hangar bay entrance and they're all like peeking over the head and over the like the entrance to look in and five, I think, no, it's Rex. Rex pulls out his like giant like binoculars and Anakin has like his little handheld one very similar to like the one Obi-Wan uses in Obi-Wan

and Rex says Are your scopes Jedi issue sir Stay focused fives Is that a dick-sized joke? Is he making a joke about how much bigger his binoculars

are? Okay Yeah everyone's nodding Rob is nodding I did not like I did not get that in the moment I was like what the fuck is this like equipment alpha-in that is what's happening it is equipment alpha-ing

he was just they're just Anakin is like a tech guy they're like calling they're like I think he's just being like why do you have special binoculars he just making that comment it's he halves his long binoculars

and Anakin brings out his teet even his teeth a little like disposable camera I thought Anakin just had like a cool illegal mod or something for like super zooming in well then the animators let me tell you

Anakin the voice act of Anakin and the animators all were on the same page about what this joke was about I'm going to just put the image in again and y'all can judge I just think Anyway And also to your point

Austin From earlier Like This is about His family now Right he laughs He's hanging out with the boys now This is yes

This is 100% guys being dudes He's like ha ha There is not a It's good There's no ill will It's very funny Yeah I love that

Fives is the one That prompts it Like it's like a subordinate Like you're right It's not even Rex It's the guy who reports to Rex He's going over Rex's head But it's like art troopers

Live by in their own rules Right? And as we're going to see One arc trooper appears to be worth like 30 clones So Yeah But he's definitely got that sort of insubordi

And that, like, we know I'm the best here. Anyway. Anyway. They go on, they wait for the, seeing that there's like hundreds or thousands of droids inside, they wait for the ship carrying top to leave. And then they grapple hook onto it in space, which is sick. It's cool. We had a great gag from the battle droid piloting.

Is there a problem? We were experiencing some drone. drag, but the sensors are stabilized now. You were experiencing drag in the vacuum of space. Yeah, strange. Excellent. Seems to be gone now. Jump cut.

Time to die. Lightaber kill. Yeah. And then the born identity breaks out in the ship's hole. As the two clones and Anakin like burst in here. And like it's it's sort of a lightsaber fight, but also it's just a fist fight. It's just close quarters, like martial arts. It's a great sequence.

Once again, the camera just sort of like wedged into corners trying to navigate around this fight. It's really, again, I cannot believe they canceled the show after the season. Like, they're firing on a different level. Like, it's all come together now. When did the call? Go ahead.

When did season six come out for season? Yeah, was there a gap between five and six as well? or this episode airs that's not true 2014 2014 this episode airs March 7th 2014 in the US and Canada

and the last episode of season 5 was March 12th or sorry March 2nd 2013 so a full year passes between 5 and 6 okay and then does what's it called come out in 2014 or 2015

what Force Awakens? yeah uh 2015 because that was a giant bomb interesting but this is when the acquisition is happening right Disney acquires uh uh star wars in 2014 when would that be that would be that was no that was actually earlier than that that was in 2012 right because that was during the the first episode after the Disney Acquisition was the Youngling's Cave Oh my God. Which, by the way, I don't know

if y'all have seen this, but people have messaged us to say that was a stealth pilot for a youngling show that never got off the ground, which is part of why it's so bad. Those were four pilot script ideas that just got welded together into

a single arc. You know, they obviously worked them to find ways to connect them, but they were originally just like the younglings are on a ship and it gets attacked by pirates the younglings go to a cave to get their chiber crystal they just like retroactively made up an arc and then it's like oh no we can't just kill all our younglings when order 66 happens but what if they all just lived on uncle hondo's ship and had adventures yes yeah uh one other small detail about this before we get to the the end of the episode there's a rando admiral i think it's yalarin but whose

voice sounds different in this episode. Did anybody else pick up on this? Yeah, it felt like they were using Yelaren's voice, but a different face. Well, also, Yularen looked old as hell, if that's old as hell here. And it's the, it's, and maybe it was already, it may have, it may already be the case that the narrator and Yalarin have the same voice actor, Tom Kane. But he felt like he was doing the narrator voice and not the Yelaren voice. And it threw me way the hell off. I was like, Wait, is the narrator, is the narrator our, are, is that Yalarin? And maybe it was just like weirdly directed. Maybe this is a strange beat.

But it really threw me off at the time towards the end of this episode. Anyway, they get tough. They get them back. Also, speaking about the narrator, I just want to say that this arc, and especially this episode, has like, all-timer, like, sort of mean-spirited quote openings. Oh, yes. the one for the first one is the truth about yourself is always

hardest to accept which is like which truth are we talking about here the truth that which one because if it's the fact that you have a fucking implant in your head that is telling you to kill people you don't want to kill

yeah that's gonna be pretty fucking hard to accept yeah that was done when you're a literal baby be kind of shitty which we should say a scene that we move past quickly here is the reason that they do start to the

separatists start to bring Tup back to you know through the the Republic blockade and try to bring him to a separatist facility is because Duku calls sheave and he says I think it's a really interesting little

conversation Duku says my lord I've received reports that lead me to conclude that we may have encountered a grave complication with one of our assets and Chief goes assets, which is extremely funny

because it's like to not think of anything as assets. He's just like, I don't know we have some projects or they're not assets. I didn't know we have assets. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, sir, a clone trooper has executed one of the Jedi generals and you believe this is indicative of our programming. I do, my lord, but I cannot be certain.

It is pertinent. We ascertained if this an isolated event, a failure in this particular clones programming. Otherwise, my plans may be ruined, seize this clone immediately. Yes, my master. So we get the words programming eight minutes into this arc, shutting down the, not shutting down, but immediately, you know, veering us towards, okay, this is going to be an arc about something programmed into a brain,

not ideological belief probably. Now, we can talk later about if we can complicate that, little bit, but fundamentally, this arc eight minutes in is like, yeah, they're programmed to kill the Jedi. Right. You know? Yeah, they answered that question. I mean, it feels like they've answered the question of Order 66 pretty... Totally. By the end of

this arc? Yeah. For sure, for me. Anyway. Yeah. Or we can talk about it if we like it or not when we're done, maybe. But... Yeah, so they recovered fives and they send him off to Camino. They are a.m. that clone.

and have the Kamen Owens take a look at him to get to the bottom of what's going on. And boy, does that prove to be... Again, the Jedi are just layers of screwed here, honestly. It's like three layers deep before you can get to anyone they can trust. But, yeah, so that's where we leave off

and we move into the episode conspiracy. We get two episodes set on Camino. The next one is conspiracy. which centers on what amounts to medical exams. I think one reason we open with this action-packed opening is because the rest is really a bureaucratic suspense movie in a lot of ways before turning into a 70s like paranoid political thriller, like parallax view or something.

But yeah, like it comes down to what do we think happened here and how do we even how closely do we want to look what do we want to how do we want to carry out this examination of top and so that's that's really what this what this comes on as well as serving the purpose of unmooring fives uh from his normal allies like i think one thing it jumps out of me right away is like i don't know that we had that we had that arc where they defended Camino and for a minute there it's like yeah Camino's like friendly territory it's like

it's what passes for home for the clones man when they step when the ramp drops and they carry fives out and he's all fucking Hannibal lectored up on the gurney and they just carry him out into that like perpetual like driving rainstorm on Camino

it just feels like they brought fives and top back to like Transylvania to have like to have Dracula conduct a study on what's happening to his army of zombies. It's also, I think the Transylvania comments really right, because, like, it's storming. It's always storming on Camino, but there's difference between, like, it's rainy out,

and this is an ominous thunderstorm. The musical swells have the register of some of the imperial stuff that happened at the end of season five. This is not safe territory. like they are bringing him into a place that is not that does not have his best interests at heart right which is really interesting and again it's it is it's fives and wrecks coming to deliver him and it's for me it's so it's so cool to see just like all right fives is coming back to this place where we saw fives in rookies or we saw you know all that should happen and there is

there is weight to that. We talk a lot about how the last two arcs have been cashing in some of the build and like even just for me 5's coming back here helps cash in the build

shock T still being the Jedi in charge here cash is in the build those two bounty hunters are in the background in a shot or two which is great oh I missed them

I was looking they're there they're there I don't want to say it's the next episode that they pop up in and I feel like the vibe inside

has changed it has like Corrassant it feels like it's more I mean obviously our main protagonist here ends up starting to do some shady shit and so he has to like look over his shoulder but it feels like it's a policed space

in a way that it wasn't before right there are dedicated common noan clones who have on the gray armor with I don't know what the logo is that they have on their shoulders but it is a distinct logo that is not tied to the republic

as far as we can tell right like I'm sure they are Republic clones, to be clear. But they don't feel that way. They feel like they're Cameron-No-in clones, you know? Yeah, and like, and just the entire, like the spaces we spend time in, suddenly the place feels very, very much like a giant prison, the exam room itself, like what, what Fives is put in an adjoining room to where they're going to be examining top, but he's like watching

this all unfold through an exam screen. And one of the things that's really frustrating, of course, is that. once rex departs boy five is just another clone uh and it's like people only sort of speak to him directly almost under duress but like nobody will look at him nobody will like both these episodes is like if you look at like five lines even it feels like he speaks and the next thing could sort of be rea resonantor or could just be seen as like talking over him like he consistently feels almost like he's just getting skipped over in in these conversations um and boy this is where i like i like but the next episode i was fully on like i'm glad shocked he died but you know but he

does get a little bit of compassion uh from a z uh what a z one three uh uh az three uh it's at z three right it's a z i for sure because uh i'm pretty sure it's a z But really, it's AZI-3-4-5-1-8-6-2-1-8-6-2-4-6-49-7-2-1-3-4-7. Put some respect on his Dave. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah. Great name. And he's both a cute comic relief character, but also is the only one who will actually, like, uh, he's the only,

he's the only, he's the only person of, like, bedside manner who will, like, talk to fives. and ultimately becomes like Five's real only ally on this on this planet because like like AZ tries to keep him in the loop on on what's happening with Top and will be the person who ends up helping Fives sort of confirm his suspicions but at first yeah it is it is so clear that you know it is it's not clear as how bad it is to start because it appears that Nalasei and Shakti are basically arguing about just what's the best and most safe way to examine Tup to sort of scan and see what's going on to them and it's only when

the minute Shakti's back is turning Nalase talks to Lama Su and they are just fully in the separatist tank I'm like did we know how bad this was no this is a revelation they just go into their little webinar room and like teleconference in

with Tyrannus and they're just fully on like oh yeah you know those you know the Cipho Diaz like protocol he put in well the Jedi might be able to stumble on it

and again just these tantalizing crumbs about Cipo I know I know this wasn't designed by the separatists they're just taking advantage of what Cipo presumably in his paranoia and dread of the future put in there? Yeah, yeah, that's what it's, it is specifically described as being a, a, you know, a backup

protocol for in case the Jedi go bad, basically. Oh, do you remember that, uh, the thing that's everybody is provided for us because, uh, I forget the exact phrasing. I have it. Basically, do you think. Yeah, yeah. You must remember that the chip is a safe part against, betrayal from rogue Jedi.

Master Cypho Dias was the only Jedi who knew of this. But with his passing, we alone know of this secret. And you must keep it that way. Yes, Lord Tyrannus. These Jedi are a curious cult. Too spiritual for my taste. I will terminate the clone immediately. Fucking hell.

Yeah. And so, yeah, we get here. directly call this an inhibitor chip. You'll hear it described as a biological chip. It appears, we'll get there in a bit, but like a tumor. It appears like a mass in their brains. And so it is not a microchip in the technological. I mean, it's technological.

It isn't a piece of metal in your brain or silicon. It is some sort of biotechnology that just sits there from the time. I mean, we'll get there, I guess, from very early on. I want to make something clear to the listener who hasn't watched these episodes because I think it's so key to this episode and the next episode, which is something spatial. I think this episode does a really good job of painting one corner of this facility super well. All of stuff happening with Tup is in an examination room with a,

flat stretcher where they're like kind of a floaty hover stretcher thing where they're investigating the stuff that's happening with him and fives is in an adjoining room with a window facing in and one of the first things that happens in this episode is that he sees tup get he doesn't see tup get injected with something he just sees tup respond to what that injection is and begin to lash out he's tied that tup is tied down and he's he's tied down and is basically, you know, having a seizure on the table, losing control of his bodily function. He's not struggling to get free so much as he's just shaking. And Shocktee's response to this is to tint the window so that five's can't see it anymore.

Without going too deep into it. I'm someone who grew up with a family member who had a seizure condition. And, you know, I would say this is like a great determinant in my life was living with this. And the response that you want when you're watching someone you care for in distress is to be able to be there with them, to offer them reassurance and presence, and to understand what's happening. And the way that the medical machine here, the medical institution here shuts fives out of that process. and quarantines him not only from other clones because Shakti is worried that he might be carrying a virus, which he obviously isn't, but quarantines him from information and turns him into a prisoner and not just a patient or, you know, blurs the line between those things or reveals a blurred line between those things inside of certain types of medical institutions already is so key to, I think, the increasing nervousness and anxiety of fives. He's not paranoid. He just doesn't have any fucking information.

They're not keeping him in the loop. And it's why AZ, I just said his name a second ago, and I've already forgot it. AZI, AZ3. AZ3, because AZI, but they just pronounce it like Z. They drop the, right. Okay, right. So AZ3 is so important for fives and why you end up getting this, like, clone droid solidarity here a little bit is because he's willing to him information here and there and he's like the degree to which this is like a medical horror

story like I've been there in a hospital somebody where it's like we're getting brushed off by a doctor who's very high-handed and like does not seem to give a shit and it's like if this person is wrong I think they might be about to get a loved one killed like if this person with their certainty and their arrogance their evident disinterest in this if they are wrong then we're like oh like getting lost basically and believing this person is going to get someone killed. And so, yeah, I mean, like, this sort of spark memories are, like, me being on the phone with a nurse friend who was like, yeah, do not leave the hospital until you see the, like,

the head of the ward, like the head of the ER. Don't leave until that's a senior doctor. Just don't, like, stay fucking planted. And the quote of this episode is, get a second opinion. It's the wise benefit from us. It's true. And A.Z is kind of like the kindly resident, right? somebody like this like if you've got the uh really cold-blooded uh attending or whatever they

call the person who like oversees the the section like a z is like someone who's who actually like has the has the moment has the the time and the and the character to care um and so it ends up being a z who ends up sort of speaking up and countering these evil fucking caminoans uh so there's a debate about how they how they should examine Tup and the thing is Right Lama Sai wants to make sure he does not survive the procedure

Basically Lama Zay is like Oh yeah sorry there's no way to handle this except to vivisect him Like right here and now sorry Gotta do it Gotta cut him up And Shakti doesn't want to do it And she's like surely there's another way Nala Se is trying to like sort of again big time her through

Like I'm the doctor here like what do you know And also like there are property There's a lot of jurisdictional, like, swing, like, dick swinging here where it's like, well, he's Caminoin IP. Well, he's Republic property. I mean, yeah, there's a direct quote we'll get to in the final episode here for sure. I guess the next episode here, too, though, as they're debating the procedure.

Wow. Jeez. Yeah. The thing that, you know, the core, not the core thing is the property thing you're talking about, but the way that they end up framing this debate is that Shockty thinks if this is psychological and Nalsei is that the camera knows it's viral right she's like oh it's a it's a virus or she knows it's not a virus shock he believes it's psychological which means you're not going to find anything from cutting this guy open there might be something wrong

with his brain let's do a brain scan let's do an atomic brain scan level four or whatever level five and Nalsei says like if we do that it kill him and potentially fuck up the neuropathways in such a way that we don't get to see. We can't find the virus inside. And I guess

that's, that debate is what AZ reports back to Fives, right? Either do the vivisection or do the brain scan. The brain scan could leave him alive. And AZ is also the one disagree with Nalisei saying

there's a way to do both right there's a chance to do a procedure that gives us results and keeps them alive so yeah so ac's kicked out of the room as this all unfolds and yeah it gives the fills in fives on on what's going on and so and here i think you talked about the good soldiers followers thing i think one thing that anticipates is like even when you're talking about programming it's got to be made compliant with like baser programming of like character and conditioning. So what we see here is actually a bit of a, I think, foreshadowing of kind of how Warder 66 has been planted in people's brains. But AZ doesn't see that it's like it's above his peg right to intervene on, you know, intervene in this situation.

But Fives with some very gentle prodding. It's just like, well, really, isn't your basic programming to be, like, the best doctor you can be and to help keep patients alive? And AZ, who was basically looking for this out, is like, you know, that's a really good point. Absolutely. And next thing you know, you know, in order to obey that priority, AZ is like, oh, yeah, I can absolutely hack the security system of Camino. and trigger an alarm that will give us, you know, unrestricted access to Top. In for a penny and for a pound. Yeah.

And so in no time at all, they break into the room where Top was being examined. And AZ conducts the procedure, gets this, get this tumor out of top. And they run out of time. Like, they, the Nolese and Shakti walk in on them. as they were basically holding up the vial with the tumor. And at that point, you know, fives and AZ are caught doing what they're doing, but also, again, we get a very born identity type thing as Tup. It's the look what they make us give moment from that first movie with like Tup as the Clive Owen character,

where he's sort of dying, but like in losing this tumor, where he's sort of freed of what's been disturbing and he tells five he completed the mission and five is like what mission and Tupp says

the one you know the mission the one in our dreams yo bro these fools need to start talking about what kind of dreams they have because or do they talk about

have they been talking I don't think they talk about the dreams I don't think they talk about it I think all of them are I think all of them are terrified they're deficient in a weird way because they all have the same recurring dream.

And the thing that's so remarkable is that Top tells Fives that this is common to the clones. Which I think is really what the next episode is entirely about five is like what's wrong with me, i.e. what's wrong with us? Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. There are. Which, go ahead.

I was just to say there are a few things that we've just gone over that I wanted to call out specifically. One was when there's a point before they start going, they start the surgery, I guess, on removing the tumor, where I think it's when fives and the, what's the droid's name? Easy. Easy is doing like his like regular tests, like not really scary test. Or they were kind of scary on Fives. And something that Fives says to A.Z is you're just a droid. You don't know about real duty, what it's like to have a brother. And then AZ responds in this way that you feel like it's like setting up this big sentimental moment.

And he's like, I'm sorry. I always wanted to have human feelings. But I do not buy. And then they're like immediately walks out of the room. And it's like, it's amazing because I, I mean, one, you take, I was taking him so seriously in that moment, as he's saying, like, I always wanted to have human feelings. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, this is like, okay, like droid sentience. Like, let's talk about it. Let's chat about it. And then it's, you know, for a comedic bit or whatever. But given that immediately following that is this discussion between where essentially five, is re-organizing repriar I mean saying it that way sounds like fives is like doing work that is changing ASE's like frame like mental framework but he he challenges him to like do critical thinking in a way that's like very humanist like human like it's it's not just

like you see AZ like debate in his head and kind of like go back and forth well what What is my true purpose? I guess you're right. It is to save this person. And I guess, yeah, we might have to, like, go, like, violate other orders in order to achieve, like, the truest order. And I think this will tie into a quote that we'll get to later regarding how the clones are described by the Kaminoans when the Kamenowans talk. I think it's in a conversation with Duku later. I think maybe in the next episode or something.

But just this idea of like critical thinking or what later gets called like creative thinking or like is is really fascinating. It's like it's not for every for every subservient like people there's a overarching. like, you know, authority that is, like, is critiquing them as having, like, creative thinking. So in the same way that, like, people are looking at clones and saying, like, oh, what's going on with this, like, creative thinking? They're also doing it about droids. They're also doing it about Jedi. Like, I just keep coming back to the thing that you said last episode, Austin, of, like, they're all clones. Everyone's a clone. Everyone's a droid. Everyone's, like, one of many

I couldn't shake the sense of like one of the things you come back to again and again is like kind of what makes a person is in large part of are you treated like a person right and so what like what makes this arc so horrifying for fives is that he goes from being with people who do see him as a person and is an individual and is

thrown to this group of people who see him as a number who see him as a product that can be defective or not he sees this droid as yep like the way the clones do regard the droids you know another another dumb clanker like doesn't understand

but when the chips are down like fives is like okay I'm gonna talk to you like you're a person yeah and you see AZ change completely like and start reacting as a person like the it's just underscored throughout this that like

it is the the things that are separating these classes of characters are constructs. It is how we treat, like, how these characters are treated in different contexts determines, like, how they act in a lot of ways, what affect they take on. Which we've always known, because, like, R2D2 is a person. We know R2D2 is a person, and it's not because R2D2 has a special personship inside. You know what I mean? Like, every droid could be a person. R2D2 would still be the best one because of being R2D2. But that's a very... about the personality and like the selfhood and this and and and R2 is given that space right

and so like the second you give AZ that space it happens and I also think there's something nice about the the I you know this is an arc that says hey order 66 is programmed in from birth it's all right in there in the same way that AZ and all the other droids have priorities but those things are then culturally structured. It's what you just said about like the context helps make that person because until Fives brings up this alternate way of looking at the world

that, hey, your number one goal is supposed to be saving people, not following orders, he's happy to follow orders instead of save somebody, right? That has been, he has accepted that that is the way in which his priorities are supposed to be structured. AZ has.

And so it's very interesting that like there's a sort of compatibleist approach to whether or not. I mean, Order 66 is still fundamentally a physical thing that exists in their brain in this way. But in the same way that AZ has these different priorities, these different priorities, they can be shaped by conversation. They can be shaped by knowledge. And just like clone programming around loyalty and duty and everything else, get shaped by experiences. It's very straightforward, but, like, they don't close the door to the importance of that difference, right? I can't believe this didn't agree to me earlier, but also, is it already 66 just going to break the clone army?

Like, they're all stunned when they come, too, and, like, you know what I mean? Like, what all these top was. I mean, I think that's going to get part of it, part of what's hard to know is, is top, is that the chip working, or was that a failure? Right. Is that the true failure of the chip? is that it, like, isn't sustainable in that way. Yeah, I guess maybe we'll return to it. My suspicion is, I don't know. I don't know if we'll return to it.

Is that the chip's only purpose as well? Like, is the chip, I mean, they describe it as an aggressive inhibitor thing, which obviously feels like bullshit. But also, they definitely do have aggression inhibition. They have been trained in programs since birth to not fight. Otherwise, we would see them. killing the Jedi more often. Exactly.

It's like that... This would have happened. It's like the way they talk about that as well as like, oh, how could it be possible for a clone to have a tumor? That's like impossible for a clone to have a tumor because like the genes have been, you know, like meticulously coded to be perfect soldiers. But... I do love that as part of the...

There's a horror movie element to this in that the audience knows more than the players, right? Where like all the way through this. arc it's like you the viewer know that it's in all the clones you know that this is there's nothing aberrant about what's happening with tup except that this fired early or broke down or whatever but that it's in everybody right and the the horror of fives acting as if it has to be a one-off or it has to be something that's only shocked he saying well maybe they got he got brainwashed even the idea that like Anakin floats early about it being a virus is like oh none of y'all

fucking know the killers already in the house like they're all killers you know um uh is really good like I think that's an effective way of telling this sort of story yeah it definitely felt like the first time in the show like having that knowledge from the movies felt like something that was rewarding to the story rather than just like frustrating a want because the way that we've seen it come up is like oh grief is an Anakin can't make eye contact, but here it's actually like, what is going to happen to Fives? How much is he going to find out? What is Fives' future going to be once he gets this knowledge?

I mean, that's still not a closed door. What is the future of any of the clones that are in the final scene going to be is still a question? Yeah. What's Rex do with what we get with what happens at the end of this episode? Yeah, I still don't know. I miss the 20 minutes of my life where I was like, is Fives going to like, get out of Order 66. Like, is he not going to,

because he took the thing out, like, he's going to look through that part of his life. There was the growing, and honestly, this was the episode where I started to sink in, where I was like, I don't think this is a,

and one got away arc, and this is the one that started to hit me. Because it starts to feel like everything that can go wrong for five starts going wrong. starts with Shaqti, just continue to be completely fucking oblivious, where, you know, Tup's dead. This seems to be at an end. All that's left is to ship the tumor back to Khorasan.

There is the thing, there is an extra tragic bit of this, right? Which is she was going to come back from the Jedi phone call. She goes off to call the Jedi to be like, hey, shit here is weird. and Obi-Wan is like bring up to the Jedi temple we have doctors and we have the force Yoda's like we should examine him

with the force if they had done that would they have found something I don't know but yeah while she's getting that phone call Fives because Fives has been kept in the dark by her

is like we gotta go do the thing and they go and do the thing and then end up getting caught red-handed thereby scuttling the chances of bringing the body back to the at that point living top to the Jedi Temple tragic

Well then we've got the whole like Do we bring the evidence back to the Jedi Temple Palpatine's like no bring it to the Grand Republic also Bro was it always the Grand Republic It was always the Grand Republic From the Jump From the jump

Okay yes How is no one Doth protesting RIP to the old Republic We will never be the old Republic It was the Grand Army of the Republic public, which is just also, that's just, that's just the name of the, so that's just the union army.

Yeah. I truly, truly cannot wrap my head around how Mace Windew and co just roll over to Palpatine being like, oh no, we're going to take, we're, we're going to take the evidence of, from the case where a clone shot a Jedi, we're going to take that. it's going to be for us. Like, how are you bending to this at this point? Like, you are, I know why. I know why, because we're in this fucking fixed universe where we have to get to the

certain point. No, I think because they're dumb. I think it's, I think it's because they're shook. I think it's because they're afraid. It's because all the reasons we've talked about it, right? Like, none of them, it's, why can't any of, why does, why do none of them freak out when the clone kills the Jedi? It's like, this is too, it's too wild.

to entertain the thought that Palpatine would be behind it all. It's Palpatine. He's not just on our side. That's my boss. That's my boss's boss. He's not a separatist. If you don't believe that, if you don't know that he's a separatist,

you just make all the excuses in the world for him. Do you think there's some sort of like perception of invincibility that the Jedi has, like that, like, how, how, any Jedi walking out with a clone

isn't going to feel like watching their back Natalie made an eye gesture. It was very funny, like a look over your shoulder. Yeah. Like, because specifically, because it wasn't a vendetta issue. It wasn't like an isolated emotional moment. It was, this man's literally like, must kill Jedi, must do these. Well, because they have a

medicalized answer to this by the end of this. They can say damn that this was a weird problem with their aggression chips. Good thing we got all immunized so that this doesn't work. This won't happen to me.

Phew. Yeah, I guess. Which we'll get there. Anyway. Well, I think you're also, especially with the last arc that we just saw, you're also seeing like a time with the Jedi where they're not like, they don't have like the wiggle room for that

sort of stuff anymore. Like, they can't put their shoulders out and, like, strong-armed Palpatine into not, well, Shocktee tries, but, like, especially with the thing of, like, what is the real role of the Jedi? What action should we really be taking? I don't know that, like, Obi-1 and Mace Windy were like, yeah, we should be medical examiners today. Like, Palpatine can take care of it is probably part of their thought process there. I especially remember last episode, we talked a little bit about how much Palpatine is preying on their ickiness about being generals at this point. Right. This war keeps going on.

The people outside are protesting that they're at, that the Jedi are turning into generals and soldiers. That's, you got to want to not touch stuff. You got to be like, yeah, let's let's let's let the Senate deal with it, but the Senate now means the military. And like the, the world, the thing that's slowly completely shifted from under their feet is, you know, you go back to, episode one you got a weak republic in a lot of ways and the Jedi kind of have

like they operate with a lot of strings but they kind of just go and get involved in whatever whatever they want they've got a lot of like freedom of action and discretion

in terms of like what they stick their nose into what becomes Jedi business and now Palpatine as we saw on that last arc keeps trying to draw lines around like I should be doing this they shouldn't be doing that

this should really be done through these channels And, yeah, I think, like, in particular, they are up against the, well, now you would have to just straight up say, actually, our business is what we say it is. And that, you know, and that's a very, you know, that's, you can't take that back. You know what I mean? It's, it's, that's a bridge they're very afraid to cross. But, you know, this is the last episode again, it's, it's coup time. It's, you're going, you have to say that.

You have to do it if you're going to avert this disaster. and they just can't, and they just won't. So, Fives is not going to be sent back with the sample to Corrassan. He's just got, and this is, oh, man, Shaqti tells Vives, you have one more test. Then I hope we can, it'll be good to put all this behind you. And Nala Se says, I agree. But I'm like, does Shakti also intend to just have this guy get brainwashed? The entire angst around this was, are we, is it possible they got brainwashed?

Is it partly because we just do that to clones to restore them to, like, factory new? This made me so fucking annoyed because there's a point at which Mace Windu is flabbergasted that a brainwashing could be possible. y'all fucking be force mind doing guys all the time that's a great point it's a great point that's not the same thing as what he means though but but look the other way is different than follow my order jett i watch his mentoring can't day for the first time this is horrible oh my god you're right that he's a but in a world where that exists yes in a world where that exists how could you but that's the force that's holy yeah he's the first he's fuckers ain't holy these are caminoans yeah i mean they're not spiritual obviously that's right

that's what i'm saying they're not spiritual the line that alley read before you could read it in reverse you know mace windo has said the same shit about the camoan's being like too cold and technological yeah it's true it's true i mean yes it is true i just think that i mean we've seen people become zombieified we've seen we've seen new vovovo Vindy, make a biological. These are clones. We made them to be loyal. That's the other part of it.

They're not regular people. But the man went missing for five motherfucking rotations. I mean, yeah, well, that's... We never really get to answer what's up with that. Who took him? What happened? Would that whole thing?

I need to know. Sometimes people go missing and they come back. I don't know. Five, obviously, but they kept... Maybe he was at the bar. Went to the club bar. He hit something and it. did not hit right and it

got a whole psychedelics and spent like five days like tripping balls and then like I don't know what actually happened I really do God I don't want to know I think I I'm with Rob I think he did some he like accidentally did LSD equivalent and we didn't know that chip fucked up the chip it fried the chip and he

went haywire that's what I think but the thing is so does Shock T know that Fives isn't going to be tested he's going to be basically like mind wiped and quarantined as part of like the uh as part of the island of misfit droid clone shit that they do on on camino like because because he he is taken away and he runs into az3 and a z3 is like you know where you head and he's like well just one more test i'm going back to the front and a z like that's not what i heard i heard you're getting uh your memory your your memories wiped same as me um and then you're working the sanitation department Maybe we'll be friends

If we remember each other Uh Like bleak Bleak shit But To Shocktee Like I just can't get over

Like Shakti's whole Like She's seen it She's been here the whole time I know They do the shit all the time She was cool with

What was the janitor's name? He's not I know But this is fives Like this is not your Clown He's an arc trooper It is something

That I think about because, like, the, the, like, tension that doesn't really get isn't in this episode, in these episodes as much as I'd want to be. Like, Nalisei is in on the Order 66 things and knows that it's to protect from rogue Jedi. So, like, how much is her trying to, like, be more defensive around Shakti because there's just this inherent distrust of the Jedi as an organization because as a Kamanohan developing these things,

you have to see the Jedi as a threat. Like, would she leave Shaqti out of the like, oh, Fives is being brainwashed thing? Because, like, what she needs to do is get Shakti out of the situation as quickly as possible. Right. But suddenly about Shakti and all this

just feels like Shakti's totally like, yeah, Fives, no, they're just going to do some stuff. I don't know. Who knows? But again, it's also the, She sort of talks to him as she's doing other stuff. She's, like, packing up the sample. Again, never stops and talks to him.

It is such a... The only thing I will say about Shakti in this episode that is in her defense is she does not plan on going right to Palpatine with the sample. Right. She is going to go to the Jedi temple. I respected that. And Palpatine don't get that eventually, but we got to... That is the right Jedi maneuver in this moment.

She can't even keep eyes on the bag. I know. She's bad at this. I know. But anyway, so, like, Five sees... this droid swap the two samples

and then he runs an A-Z and learns that both he and A-Z are going to be you know mind-wiped and that point

Fives has heard enough just again just like annihilates all the guards nearby and they go on the run as

is it literally not the same sounds the alarm or is just another Camanoan one I think just another one because that's when

we get the really good scene of Fives just like taking down all of those clones in the hallway they don't see action

like Vives does they that's exactly right that's right this is like when we saw those prison guard clones just getting

worked and it's like yeah you're not not only you're not built like that you just don't have the same job bro we're gonna see those prison guard

we're gonna see the red the red and whites again on Corrassan in the next episode but one of the first things I saw after we finished recording that last episode was that those are the clones

that are flanking Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith when they go to pick up Anakin from Mistafar. It's literally those clones. It's the red and whites are just, they become Palpatine's, you know,

pet guard. Do you think they've already switched? I feel like they switched. I don't know. This is the thing that fucks me up is because, like, post, we'll get there. I don't think it has to be a switch. That's the thing.

Like, this is what I mean when I said before about it, not just being a mechanical switch. which it's also culture is that I bet those guys have been told the Jedi have been acting weirdly keep keep your guard up right you report to the you report through this different hierarchy you don't report up to the Jedi that separates you from other clones that makes you more of a defender of the Republic blah blah blah blah blah that's the stuff that I think is happening to the Corrassant clones and the Camino clones this this is the thing too is like

the gray the gray armored clones do not feel like and this is this is something that was like in the back of my mind watching this I was like I kind of wondered if this was the end on Camino with Order 66 saying Shocktee and blaming it on fives because like it to me

like one thing I feel on a gut level is also that Shock tea is in more danger here than she knows like if the chips are really down these aren't her clones they won't respond to her commands yeah these are this is these are Camino clones for sure yeah anyway five

steals a little orb five Fives steals a bigger version of the Sayan pods from Dragon Ball Z and tries to fly away in one. Yep. And, but it's a trick. It's a little sneaky deceit. Yep.

It's a silly little gag. He hops out and rides back on, he swims back. He swims back. He doesn't ride back. He's Swiss Army, man. No, ATZ turns into like a little hover bike. He does. It's so funny. we've got a fun little buddy buddy comedy uh adventure thing going on one of his very many survival modes to turn into a jet a jet bike it's so funny i'm trying to imagine a caminone riding

easy like just who yeah why do they have that he's so little who put that in there who put that in there so little it's like seeing someone like a like a mini bike do you know what i mean like Well, and the handles spring out of his little backpack, like, utility pouch. It's so good. It's incredible. It is like, you know, like, those little tent post pipes, probably a pack-up tent. It's like all that shit just springs out of AZ and Five sort of rides them back to Pocas City. And they get to work on researching what's going on here.

Meanwhile, you know, Toronto's gets a nice. update as you know about things not going well here uh but one of the things that sort centers on is now tyrannus uh duku is kind of getting nervous about like are we sure about order 66 are we sure that we know how this is going to work and this is where nalisei is like well the chips work but the Jedi just keep they just keep teaching the clones to, like, think like individuals and act independently. And so, like, one funny thing here is there's a, the separatists also desperately want to answer to what exactly is going on here.

But almost what disturbs them more is order 66 going off unprompted, terrifies them because it could, like, blow the plan. Fives, like going rogue and removing the chip is way scarier because it's like, these things can figure out what we've done to them and, like, mutiny and stop it, that would, that would, that would, that would be the whole ball game. Uh, and so we've got sort of both sides now are terrified of what this, what this incident could represent. Um, yeah, the investigation unfolds, uh, as, um, you know, the, as fives and AZ, uh, try to get to the bottom of this.

They pull Django Fats' original records to see if, like, hey, was that dude, did that do you have any famous brain duress? No, no, cases, please. Uh-huh. But also, um, they've sort of put a flag on those files. So once again, the Caminoeans and the guards nearly, nearly get them. AZ3 just has an endless bag of tricks. Uh, they escape into the ducts outside the records room.

And he welds the door. We're shut. Great. I guess surgical lasers. Mm-hmm. Yeah, surgical lasers. Sure, why not? AZ, like, an all-time or a droid design.

Lots of, lots of functionality. I was sorry to say goodbye to him. I hope it's not the end. I hope he comes back. I don't know why he would, but I... I... Wait, wait, hold on. Are we not all AZ3 supporters here?

Oh, big fan. I just think that once Fives loves that planet. AZ was put out of commission. AZ is now being used for parts. They stuck him in a microwave. Yeah. I think here's my like, I think that AZ, here's my genuine, this is a joke prediction, but it's a real prediction.

It is that I think when they find AZ, AZ will say, oh, you're looking for AZ 34521-1-8-9-6-24-6-4-6-4-9-8-7, 2-1-3-4-7. I'm AZ 3452-1-1-8-9-6-2-4-6-4-9-8-7-21-3-4-8 And that'll be it And he'll get away because no one under droids He's droids, he'll know He's gonna change his... Yeah, but we'll know it's A-Z

Yeah, maybe he'll wink He'll do a little wink Yeah, a wink, that's it, to the camera I believe... Listen, I believed in drench And I believe in A-Z Yeah, my fingers are crossed on this one, I just don't.

I don't have those high hopes. Yeah, that's fair. So, Fives become as convinced. He's like, we gotta get this chip out of my head. And we gotta figure out, like, how many clones have the, like, do we all have it? And when is it put in us? And I love this little bit, this exchange they have as they walk through the ducts. AZ's like, well, how do you know you have it?

Maybe it was just tough. and Five's, like, incredibly gloomy is like, I know it's there. And again, just confirming that when Topper revealed he has the dreams, it was like a horrible missing piece clicking in the place for Fives. And then I love the little bit where he's convincing him to do the surgery on him. And AZ's like, but you could die. And Five says, by, I trust you. And you see the little smile light up.

Aiz's face. I know. I love when people become bros in this show. I love it when friends. I love it when friends happen so much. It's so good. It's sad. Fives loses the haircut.

Fives Fives says to. It's the distinctive look. He still looks good. Yeah. You can pull it off. Yeah. But they do, but they do get the, they do the surgery. They get the sample.

And yes, it turns out that Fives has a working. organic chip at this point they go to the embryo farm where they're like harvesting clones but first they got to get through

the grammar school because it's not really grammar I guess it's tactical grammar because all the kids are fucking Enders gaming just constantly it's so fuck they are all in Fortnite no build just

going off the rails and I love Five being like just act normal A-Z and A-Z's attempt to act normal is too loudly saying a nonchalong song. It's so funny. At the Caminoids pointedly be like do-to-do la-la-law.

Hello, how do you do fellow Caminoids? I love him. The animation and art has just gotten so funny because the two Caminoids like nod politely to the droid and they slowly look at each other. mother and just sort of nod and immediately set the alarm. We're going to call some reinforcements in here. Yeah.

But yeah, they get to the embryo farm and they find out exactly when it's implanted. It's not quite like at the start, but a few months along as sort of just a baby in the tank, that's when that's when it's implanted. But it is all of them. and that's when Fives sees the wizard behind the curtain and meets Nala who's still trying

to gaslight her way out of this She is truly gaslight girl boss gatekeeping the fuck out of She's the truest example of that

I think we've had so far in Star Wars So she gets that prize She's the girl boss It doesn't work on Fives I love the bit Where he's like Well I guess you got a big problem

Don't you sort prods her with the gun I'm like yeah that's right don't try do not try to condescend to our boy but meanwhile shock tea and I think this is ultimately like

why do I think shock tea like fails so miserably here she's been here too long she defers these people too much and like it's just it's not like what's weird is industrial capture every time it'll get you yeah exactly she knows they're trying to keep things

she finds the reason she finds the reason she finds Nolsa and Fives is because she saw that there was a private flag that went out to Nala Say that none of security got, shocked he didn't get, and she knows to follow. She knows something's up. But she, again, just can't quite make that leap to, okay, they're keeping things from me.

That must mean there's something here that's, like, really compromising. Can't get that. Because, okay, like, here's the, this is, you know what it is? Here's what it is. Have you ever had, like, an ant infestation or a bug infestation or a rat, like, any sort of gross? Oh, yeah. Okay. You see a few ants.

I guess some ants got in because what you can't do is let your brain open up to the possibility that the next three weeks of your life are going to be about these ants. Shakti cannot open her brain to the possibility that Nala Say, who helped program all the clones could be an antagonist to the Jedi order. Because if that's true, you've opened up your door, you've opened up, you've closed the future. You now have to deal with that problem at a grand scale. Everything is ruined. And so you tell yourself, it's just a couple ants. They must have come in on my shoe. I must have stepped on something outside and they came in.

They're not getting in from outside. It's not a big deal. And that's so much more comforting than opening the cupboards and being like, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, oh, fuck. She does not want to open the cupboards. But she does. Maybe the Jedi can open it. she does give her she does give nalisei a command in what she sure does in one moment she's like i think it's when nalisei is like uh we need to take the uh two tumors like straight to

chancellor palpatine or whatever and nalisei is like no i'm going or no this is when they just had the one tumor and i'll and uh fucking shocktie is like no i'm going to take it to the Jedi first and then I'll take it to the homie the chancellor and after that Fives figures out that Nala Se swapped the briefcases so she would have never have gotten

you know the microchip to the Jedi but but she says when she's like that's my word is final I think she says to Nala say she's like that's nice that you want to

deliver this to she does do the chancellor but i'm going to bring it to the jedi first and i'm my word is final and i was like what i love about what i love about all their little back and forts is how each progressive one and we're at the final one here wipes away the facade of civility from shockty because the earlier version of the someone that rob was talking about before about electoral property and what to do with Tup, the way that Chakti phrases it then when, you know, Nala Se is like

we need to vivisect this dude. We need to terminate him and then do a and then do a full scan on him afterwards. The way that Chakty phrases at that point is, no, we commission the Jedi commission the clones and that means that that is our

responsibility to oversee their care. At that point, it's all very, very polite and dressed up. And by the end, by now, when it's this big standoff, we get the big exchange of Fives saying, you know,

Fives is sick of being talked about like he's not a person. Oh, this is a great moment. He's fully trapped in the prisoner. He is doing his best bathroom. He's in the prisoner. 100, 100%, 100%,

Rob. He says, I'm not a piece of hardware. I'm a living being. You were created in our laboratories. You are Caminoan property. Correction. Technically, he is property of the Republic. That does not change the fact that he is a danger and must be terminated. I believe that's for me to decide.

Fives, you are coming with me to Corsont. I think it's time you told your story to the Chancellor. Master Jedi, I beg you to reconsider. The Chancellor wanted all the data on top to be sent to Corsont. We're sending the data, the tumor, and fives along with it. Then I am going with you. As you wish, doctor.

It's the most Michael Lutz's fascists. You're going to the camps, American liberal YOU apostrophe, R.E. Shit I've ever seen. It's like

all of the civility is gone. Yeah, he's property. He's my property. There's no argument about his humanity. It's completely boiled away at that point. She's arguing on terms completely defined by the Kamenowans, by Nala Se.

And she believes it. I think she does believe that they... Yeah, we own the clones. We bought the clothes. I mean, her job has been to be quality control on the clone factory floor. And, like, I understand, like, and you just imagine if Anakin's there, I'm not

sure if any Kamen Owens leave that room. Oh, my God, they're done. The thing is, that's if, if Anakin's there as in our Anakin, if Anakin had been assigned to train clones for years, he'd be Shockty. Yeah. You know what I mean? That that process turns you in. But it's just, and maybe that she was chosen because she had a capacity. Of course.

You could even though imagine, you could even imagine Shockty being like, y'all, I don't want to be on the front lines. I don't. I'm not here to kill people. I can't do it myself. So much worse. But what I could do is help train these clones to make sure as many. any of them come home as possible. She conscientiously objects and decides to go work at the combat slave factory.

I mean... Sorry, fighting on the front lines crosses some moral lines for me. We're peacekeepers. But Raytheon has great benefits. But meanwhile, is there one where occasionally just like throw one of these back into the gene vat and just... And also, like, working with the bounty hunters non-stop? Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah.

I mean, the fact that she's standing there in a discussion with Nala Say about property ownership, and you have the subject standing in the middle, screaming, screaming, I am not a piece of hardware. I am a living being. And it's a two-way conversation between Shakti and Nala-Say. It doesn't fucking matter what the fuck Fives thinks. It's so harrowing. It's like... What?

Okay, here's the thing I can't get over. What? Nola Se's story has completely changed since this incident started. You got A-Z being like bad tumor. It's an organic chip. It's planted in the clones. This is fives. It's good.

Working correctly. But all the clones have it. Nola-say. Yeah, of course. We knew about that. What do you mean? Like, this is not new. This was, yes.

this was part of the original design spec. The way that she delivers that is like, we didn't want to have to tell you this. Like, we, yes, like, a part of what makes you who you are is that we have this inhibitor chip. We don't want to tell you about that because we don't want you to feel dehumanized from, you know, from who you're supposed to be.

Like, you are who you are. Natalie, when did you become an HR business partner? I just think, like, it's a, The way that she, that she, like, come around on is she just, she spins. She spins so well. She does a great job. She does, but, like, but Fives doesn't have it. But the thing that doesn't have me does is like, if I'm shocked T, I'm like, you're telling me a completely different story.

Like, like, literally three hours ago, you're saying there being like, what could possibly have happened at top? And you're like, well, it has to be viral. It couldn't. And now, I'm staring at two things that just came out of their fucking heads after one of them fragged the Jedi. You existed. You put them there. And it's like, no, you're right. We're going to continue to defer.

Oh, you insist you come back with us to Corrasson to investigate this? Well, that's your business. No, it isn't. You get your own ship. Like, this is the part where it's like, it's like, even if this is, even if you don't say, well, there's a whole conspiracy, what you've got is like a rogue contractor. Right.

It's just, like, built a massive flaw into this thing and was lying about it. They've been covering up like a possibly fatal, designer that literally got, like, an invaluable Jedi killed in the middle of a mission. Not only did it kill a Jedi. It also killed the clone. Like, obviously killing the Jedi in their world is more fucked than killing the clone. But, like, this is a fatal flaw. Like, how, how is Shocktee not alarmed that she didn't even know that the clones, the Jedi order commissioned have this detail. But this is the thing.

So when Fives, he spills the beans. And I do think a problem is he, he frames it because he repeats sort of what Nala Say says, which is the Jedi put this in. And so he tells Shakti, the Jedi did this. Not the Kaminoin's did this. And I think if he actually hadn't,

because technically you're right, the Jedi did do this. Sypho Deas did before he fucked off and left us with this, uh, hi, did anyone order an army that only was? Like it guys Pizza dudes here He's got like 12 lesions of clones

We were We're all feeling some clones Right We could use a clone army But Like So he does this And I do wonder

Does that just confuse Shakti Where she's like Oh shit This is this is Jedi business Like this was built in From us And I just wasn't read in But either way

Like And what she do What she say She doesn't say All right Five You're gonna come back to me To the temple

this is the final fatal flaw she goes it's time for you to tell your story to the chancellor which it's like yeah uh-huh yep she's like

well we're gonna elevate it all the way to the top baby we're gonna bring it up to the big man because you know who knows what's going through Shocktee's head maybe Shocktee's surprised to hear Jen I put this shit in there

well and he's like all right fine is this also because we which is ridiculous by the way the idea that you would go to the To space president? Literally, has this worked out any times? Any one fucking time?

Has you gone, have you gone to the fucking chancellor and have... Yeah, the Zillow Beast thing was fine. No one knows. It always is fine. And also, we've always fun. I guess it is always. It always works out, but do you really get to the bottom? It, it, people move on.

Hey, but do you really? Hey, yeah, I didn't die. My people didn't die. We got to the bottom of them. The, you know, the other thing I guess is we saw in this, in the last arc, and I think in places in this one we see the Jedi Council talking, the angst around what's happening on Corrassan, but Chakti's not on Corrassan. And I do think, like, if she'd had a full, like, off the record on her own phone conversation with Jedi Council, there may have been, like, this has to be routed through us. But instead, like, she's like, oh, the channel. The chancellor's taking a, like, the chancellor has positioned himself is taking a personal interest in this and is overruling the Kaminoeans.

So I'm just going to go straight to him. This happens with executives. Executive leaders in governments will be like, oh, or not even just executives, politicians are general. Suddenly some senators, this is some senator's pet project. And it's like, all right, we're going to go to the senator. We're going to go talk to the senator about this. This shit happens in real life all the time when like suddenly some bridge or some medical concern has become the pet project of someone. with power or money and suddenly that person gets right in on everything suddenly you're meeting

with some fucking billionaire over over something and it's like are you a doctor no oh but your name's on the hospital wing so now i have to meet with you okay cool um that shit happens so but also the other thing about this that's backgrounded but but does but they they keep popping up a little bit here and there is the war is going on and we i have not seen a full uh Jedi council room in seasons dude everyone is calling into that start the next episode where like everybody is gone now except for anakin and shock team just got there uh yeah it's it is we are at max effort and that means people are tired people out Yoda's on kishik fighting fucking alongside defending a strategic raft harbor uh-huh exactly around the around the pontoon marina a perimeter four exactly sir the bait shop's been taken All right, so where do they bring five?

Does anybody pick up all where they brought fives? That was the Grand Republic Hospital thing. Yeah, what's that, does anybody remember what that room looks a lot like? There's a, there's a, this is a big tower. This is, this is, we see, the next time we see this, it might not be this exact room, this operating theater, but it's very close. Oh, is this where they do the Darth Vader? This is where they do the Darth Vader's show. Oh, fuck.

Yep, 100%. It's 100% this. It's all the same droids. It's the same layout of the root. Like, it's, there it is. It's the same building. It's Palpatine's personal fucking, yeah, medical experiment center with all his red and whites. I hate it.

I hate it. So, by the way, just one last thing on this, too. So Fives is like, thank you for listening to me, master. general and Shakhti again like almost surprised that he's still there and like talking to her

uh yeah it was it was the right thing to do uh and and makes a point no I didn't trust you it was just the right thing to do

like you brushes off basically what he's trying to say which is that hey we we worked together and we found out something's going on and she's like yeah uh no I just couldn't let them like kill you or anything like that

but anyway get on the gurney and go under sedation and he has to say goodbye to A-Z I'll see you on the other side and A-Z not understanding it is not for A-Z to understand mortality in the way that biologicals do I'll see you at the crossroads he said

and A-Z said, what's that? What's up with the what's-huh? A-Z, too precious. I'm sorry, I have to call out that the narrator going Embryos at the beginning of this episode literally fucking killed me.

It was like one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. I don't know why Shakti didn't have like the rear view mirror on so that she can keep an eye on what the fuck Nala say was up to by the body.

Unrestricted access to the clown. Like I don't even know why you've got him strapped out. This is malpractice at this point. Like you are just bad at the job you're doing. L's, L's. And also, so, again, I've had just an ongoing theory that Palpatine is bursting. He is just, he just wants people to know, he wants to tell someone about the whole, he's got, like, he had, like, his exaltation at, like, wiping the floor, uh, with the, with the brothers, uh, like, in, uh, two arcs ago.

and then here you know they do like now we'll say drugs fives so we can't even speak coherently um

and chancellor begins the interrogation and five suppose the whole thing where he's like this all starts from the inception of the clone program and palpeteen turns around

like the conspiracy from before the war even started that sounds really unlikely don't you agree master and she's like yeah I do that'd be super weird And it's like, Vives found it out.

Vives has found the entire plot, the entire, thousands of years of Sith revenge plotting, hanging by a thread here because this fucking Chad clone who went to, like, murder school, like, just figured out that, like, there's brain chips and all them clones. He realized that the murder school might be a little... Yeah, exactly. And they went back. Oh, no, there's a hidden curriculum at the murder school. Fuck.

But, and he got it out of himself. That's how good he was. So, so Pelelin's like, you know what? I don't want this clone to feel like the whole deck is stacked against him. Just let me just talk to, I just want to talk to him. Just a little one-on-one time. Oh, I'll have my guards with me. Just, let's not intimidate the poor boy.

I just want to chat with him. And the minute, like, he does the thing where he says goodbye, them as they leave the room and he's like got his she face on and he turns around and it's Darth Sidious time. I have to know what I have. Fearle grin as he like leans in and again like I think he just straight up tells fives everything. He's so happy to finally like look at this. He has no one he can ever show the full plan to. We talk a lot about like oh does this person how much does this person know how much does this person know about what she's really up to do da da da da everybody in that room is read in on everything that they all know all of it and they are they here she've laid out again here in the

most glorious detail i'm so certain of it i wonder if other guards and stuff in the room or i wonder they're in there with him yeah but actually like so fives just bust loose and kicks their ass immediately is the entire thing no that's not what happens we get a cut it's not an immediate thing we got a cut from that to Shaqti, like, meditating outside. Time has passed. And I think in that time is Palpatine being like, oh,

I bet you'd really want to know what's going on. Does he just anyone overhear it, or is the entire thing just an undertone to five? There are so many dudes there. I think they're all, I think they're all red in. There's like four or five people in there. That's what I'm saying. I think people have made the transition and like know about this shit. Those are the people who go with him to Musafar.

Those like, I bet it's those dudes. I don't even know it's a clone in there Take that helmet off I want to see your face I don't know who you are Do you think there are different like tears of chip Like are there is it just one type of chip Or are there like different tiers of chips

That have But what's what I'm saying is it doesn't even need to be a chip You could just pull those clones aside And be like we're going The Jedi are evil Right The Jedi are evil I'm training you to believe the Jedi It's more interesting to not have a chip I think

That's what I'm saying right It's much more fun to just like Oh I just fucking hate you you guys because I watched thousands of my brothers die to your hands for I don't even know if these people have seen like you're right they I maybe what they were raised on was just footage of the Jedi fucking up in battle and getting more and more clones killed and then Palpatine being like I'm going to raise you to be my personal there has to be someone somewhere who's written about Palpatine's particular bodyguards during this era and like I need to know I need

to know what they were trained for separately from everybody else. So please. But I fully just think, like, Palpatine is thrilled that at least he's going to get, like, he's going to watch somebody react to his masterpiece, that nobody, Tyrannis can't see it. It's a Hannibal moment, right? It's like, I can't wait to put this on display. This is my design. Like, it's. And it makes it all more horrible because, like, basically nobody in Star Wars will ever know as much about what is going on as five.

does in this moment. Like, Vader never fully comprehends all that happened to him or was done. As far as I know. Oh, I can't even think about that. I can't even think about late in life Vader starting to put some extra. Oh, have you seen the comic panel, though, when he learned Skywalker's name after the first Death Star? I have those comics right over there.

I just haven't had time to read it. Yeah, I mean, I've just seen that panel where it hits home that, like, everything for 20 years has been a lie. And probably the lie started well before. It's the Kieran Gillen Vader It's a Kieran Gillen run I need a comic reading list

Yeah Someone please hit us up I'm like really really want to get into it But I just have no idea where to start But Yeah so Fives Bus Loose Disables the two guards

And has Space Hitler at the end of that gun And hesitates Like that's the funny thing It wasn't been so annoying Palpatine Having to hold off on frying this dude because like really like cutting a fine being like okay I might get shot if I don't do something right now but I really need Shaqti to come through that door and do something

yeah I was wondering that about this moment was like is five so much of an art trooper that he's able to take down this like 50 points in dexterity Sith Lord and get out of the room or is Palpatine like purposely setting up a situation where fives is is becomes an enemy becomes someone who's also being like um a risk factor in the situation i think that's it i think it's just like the asoka barris stuff from last arc where it's like i need someone bearers of setting up asoka to take the fall here palpatine is is knows the best weapon that he can put against fives is the Jedi yeah and that way like they're part of the

process of actually you know what it's not the Jedi I'm wrong about this because he does not put the all points bulletin out to the Jedi this is a plot point Mace mentions this in a second so now I'm not sure maybe he does just get one over on him I try five you know what if anybody could do it it's fives

fives could do it five's got the drop on him I believe I'm saying well I mean Palpatine always has to be in the call an ambulance mode and can never do the second panel he could never do the second

panel in public. So he just has to let fives just like chokeslam him to the ground and then beat the shit out of his guards and they just got to sit there like hoping that that shockty will come. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He escapes from shockty.

Shaqti's like, close the blast doors as he's running through the hospital and he gets out the blast doors before Shocktee can. She gets stuck. Love it. Perfect. And also I do wonder, like, is there also an element of, to me, feels like this is there's nothing in here to like as evidence for this but it feels like the grand medical facility of the republic or whatever uh-huh is a new facility oh yeah it does feel

new it does it's part of this new death start design shit right and this is and it's like we know that the old regime was letting all sorts of shit fall in disrepair and like lack of like visible public like services and such and here like gleaming new like high tech med facility also a facade for his doctor mengel a fucking tower up on top but like uh he's like it's sort of the all good things flowing into the city uh on the first floor and top floor is like sith evil plans um but yeah so he gets away and this might have been what you were trying to put out earlier, Natalie, that like, this is where Mace is like, yeah, so all security units have been ordered to chase him down. The chancellor's been moved to Senate quarters for safety

and the perimeter's been secured, but Jedi involvement's not been requested, which is odd. That's a little odd, isn't it? Maybe it's Anakin who says that's a little odd, isn't it? And the thing that I'm reminded of is like, we keep asking, like, well, when are the Jedi going to realize it's sheave. And the answer is like, this is all stuff that they're realizing. And it's why come Revenge of the Sith, they tell Anakin, please be our eyes and ears with Sheave, we don't trust that dude anymore. They don't say we don't trust that dude. But that's the thing is they don't trust him anymore. And it's probably because of stuff like this. So Rex and Anakin are on the hunt. And we get, we get fives's long night out. It's the best. I can't

believe this wasn't a longer part of this art. Like the fact that this is all contained within one like 10 minute period of this episode is ridiculous because we are in the city baby we're getting in calves we're going to bars he's got an old-timey cab driver cap

I love that cab guy he's great he's like here you go ladies have a good time on Chorusant now and then like watches them walk away this is a cabby I know this guy he's like damn

he does he does do that also the music playing in his cab it's so good it's so good and and it's a fucking bob so so fives gets in this cab the cab driver scene is like the best one of the best scenes i think we've got it's an all-timer it's an all-timer he gets in to the cab as these two baddies are walking away um and like fives is down bad i don't think anyone in the history of star wars has been as down bad as fives is in this in this money he's giving like

Anakin levels of down badness and the cab driver's like Marvin's room playing and literally the back of it's it's fucking Marvin's room on repeat it's take care on repeat we're here

and the cab driver's like I didn't know clones could have like he's like where to boss or something I don't know And Vives is like to the clone bar And he's like the clone bar I didn't know clones could have fun And he's like there's a lot you don't know about clones

No one knows And he's like ooh Interesting Tell me more And he does And he just straight up does He just tells him like the fuck What the fuck is going on

You ever hear the one about the people engineer to kill their best friend and their leaders and they don't even know it. I'm a crab driver, pal. I hear stories like this all the time. Yes. Do you?

I love it. He lives on Corrissom, baby. All that stuff's popping off. He's had sad Jedi in the back of that thing. I'm sure. He's had Trader Senators. He's had Mobb

Robb girlfriend. Mobb Bob Girlfins. I'm sure Jumpy Jangles is, what was her name? Jumpy Jangles was out here. I don't remember what her name is. She was there. She was there.

She was a Corellian jango jumper. A Corellian. Yeah. Yeah, a Torellian, a Torellian, a Torellian jingo jumper. I fucked it up. That's okay. Cassie. Her name was Cassie.

Oh, yeah, Cassie. Anyway. But she, like, like, now this, this cab driver holds the, the big key in the universe, in the galaxy. He knows. You imagine him turning on the radio the morning after the... Order 66? Where he's just like, huh? And then he just drives his cab.

Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, you're not going to believe this. A couple weeks ago, I had this guy in the cab. One of them clones, he told me they were engineered to kill their leaders. Well, here it goes. Anyway, I'm getting off at five. What's up you got on? He didn't even tip.

He didn't even on the fair. Yeah, that's funny. tip yeah he stiffed him he didn't pay him at all the scene where he so they get to the clone bar which is called what the 79th something like a 79th which i don't know what that means that's interesting i want to know i want to know but he gets out of the cab and there's like a rowdy group of other clones already there completely smashed drunk in the streets bottles in hands in their officers uniforms he says uh he got the guy basically says like hey the fucking fee

and he goes Bill it to the Republic and the guys all laugh along with him the clones that he's with now Bill it to the Republic ha ha ha ha good one and the guy calls them

lousy cheap clones and the clone says it's your credit pal you're paying for this He does the whole take it all in gesture He does drink it all in and like weighs his hands on the side of his body yep uh-huh

and the cabby says ah your mother's a droid which is fucked up and they call him a droid lover which again when we get into analogs it's bad up here bro it's so fucking weird but then when they're laughing their asses off

and flinging the bottles at the cab the entire it is one of the best scenes in this entire series the clones are just drunk sailors on shore leave Like, I mean, this scene plays out across history a million times, and, like, it's incredible. Did you pick up where some of these clones are from? No. It's the 212th, which is Obi-Wanzi unit.

These are Commander Cody's battalion of clones. Maybe he was, oh, not anymore. RIP Sistine. Rip. Rip. I was going to say, maybe he's on a little weekend getaway. But maybe he's just, maybe he's like, yeah, we're not going to do big troop deployments right now. We're just going to do some smaller action.

If you want to give your, if your folks. Also down bad. Obi-1. Also down bad. Yeah, totally. This bar, we got people doing arm wrestling. We got people chugging beers. We got Betty droids.

I want to go to this bar. We got other weird droids with like big old heads with like weird vacuum head. I don't even know what's going on up there. Love it. I also love like the... You've seen outside as the last bit of comic relief we're going to get. And the mini walks into the bar, it's like cool, but it's also menacing. The music is driving.

But it's like, it's kind of a scary place in part because everyone is just like destructively drunk. We've seen that outside. It's like there's some parts you go into, you walk in and you're like, oh, people are not drinking to have a good time. This is like we are here to get absolutely obliterated. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. And so it's kind of a desperation in the air at this bar. And then also, of course, we're seeing it now through Five's perspective, and he's not of this anymore.

He is like he has gone through the looking glass, and he can't be of this. He should be, but he can't be anymore, because he's now fully aware of what the stakes are and what their lot in life is. And so I think the way he takes this all in and sees them engaged in their, you know, desperate fellowship and all that, and he sees guys from his old unit. But, like, he's kind of been made a stranger to all of them. Yep. Uh-huh. But he does

then get one of them alone in the bathroom to try to be like, yo, I have to talk to Rex or General Skywalker, ideally both of them and only them. Not everybody. And as he's doing this, the red and are coming through they're trying to like interview people he gives i think this is kicks he gives kicks the the coordinates to pass on to skywalker and uh uh and then has to kind of like he's wearing one of the officer caps it's a it doesn't work like he's in clone armor he's in like default all white clone armor with like the officer cap on i don't think it's a good disguise but it does the job i guess for getting him through It covers up the five on his forehead, you know.

But this whole sequence of the red clones coming in is so good. It feels like, you know, it's the thing of like the military police coming on on station. You know what I mean? There's this feeling of like, these are not regular clones. They don't come. This is not the police bar. This is the military bar. And there's a big difference between those two in feel at least.

But then he gets away And goes to the meetup point Another industrial zone Down the hole The Great Choracinth hole This one has like big rotating Like They're not fans

But they rotate like really slow ceiling fans I guess maybe one of those could be operating The force field that gets activated eventually maybe I don't know What is the purpose of that? force field I have to know like for real for like in real like yeah what the fuck is like um

maybe it's like you have to detonate munitions to destroy them or safely or you have to cause the thing drops spills yeah that's a good one some bullshit but but this is where like

Fives has kind of been coming unstrung the like throughout this long night um and by the time Rex and Anakin get there he is fully

cornered animal but also like kind of tripping and so and he knows and he knows what he has to tell them sounds crazy

because it does yeah and so he's not sure he can fully trust them but he traps them in a force field he lures them under a thing

activates a force field and he's like I needed to make you listen and Anakin's kind of furious he's like well we have no choice now

so what do you got and he just can't relate the message clearly he can't make it come out right and he just runs out of time he burns out the clock trying to explain that like it's in our head it goes all the way to the top

things that we know it makes sense it's parsable but to Rex and Anakin you see their faces fall as they realize like oh he did snap like none of this makes any sense it's so sad commander Fox

and the red squad or red team or whatever come through the door and we have a very we have a very clone-involved shooting type moment where it's like everyone screaming don't don't freak out don't do it don't do anything and he makes a jump for his guns they hit him with everything they shoot him cleanly through the chest and he dies in their arms

Who will fall Well, it's brutal too Because like Here's the weird thing The The red armored clones Commander Fox They also seem horrified

By like what's all happened Like everyone's sort of standing there Just really shaken By what's happened Anakin and Rex looked devastated And Anakin you know Scream for someone to get an ambulance But nobody moves

Nobody helps Nobody moves And that's And he does say Like I want to be clear The thing he does say He says There are a bio

organic chips in our heads that can control us and make us kill people, even Jedi. And like, that's a wild claim, but he does say it out loud in front of Rex. This is me holding out hope that Rex looks into it later. When I finished

this episode, I was like, wait, is there a fifth episode in this arc? And there is not. And it was just like... Oh, also, this reminds me something. I noticed in the first episode, the veteran clones, all their armor scuffed and worn and starting to like take on. But also, are the clones starting to look suddenly abruptly old.

Top looked old to me. I'm wondering if there's also an accelerated aging thing happening that we're seeing play out where like the clones we've known for a long time are becoming like middle aged because I don't know it's tough because like they're also improving lighting and doing more with like the hair and textures

at all times but yeah so also we know they have stun shots why did they kill him! Why did they kill him? Yeah, why'd they kill him, Natalie? Because he knew too fucking much. Because he knew too fucking much.

God damn it, fives. Bleeding out on the ground, telling Rex that it's more than anybody could have imagined, that it's bigger than anybody could imagine. If I was Rex and I just heard that type of shit, I'd be like, I'm going to go do a brain scan. But they're going to say, but yeah, you do the brain scan. And they say, oh, yeah, your regression chip's a little malfunction. and here, drink this. Yeah, if you're wrecks, you're getting like a mandatory vaccine in a week

because Palpatine is saying that there was a weird parasite on Ringo. Which makes no sense, by the way. It makes no sense. There was a weird parasite in the water on the space station. Yeah, and they were sipping it together and it was an issue. It just got the one guy, the two guys? Come on. Come on.

Bullshit. And this is, it's, again, we're going back to the. shakti buying nalisei's transparent bullshit in the first place where it's like none of this tracks none i think there there is a little friction here i think natalie you've been pointing at this the whole time through the episode of like how can no one on the july side sniff this out and i do think that we're we do hit some of that and ala you mentioned this earlier this the frustrating bit of like oh they're boxed in by what you know the wrong sort of resonance with Revenge of the Sith in some ways.

It can be frustrating to feel like how can no one pick up on this shit? Because it's so blatant in some places. Again, I really think the parasite line is absolutely ridiculous. But I still think solid, solid arc

and a solid answer to a question we have had since the jump. Yeah. Yeah, I guess this is the answer. They have a chip. But, but, but, but, but, there's still questions. Because we don't know why Is the chip related to the command?

Yeah, I think the chip is just a command. It's just a command chip, right? It's the Order 66 chip. Why did f-why did Tup malfunction? I don't know. Where was he for five rotations? We'd love to know. What is a clone, what are, what, how,

what is a clone like after command? This is, this is like, this is like, For me, I'm like, that's the thing that is, like, it keeps me up at night. Does it, like, and the other thing is that after, like, the day after order, like, did they just stay in a potentially altered state of, like, kill, Jedi, or once they fulfill the mission, do they come out and it's like, hey, what did we do? Yeah, is it like a trans thing? No, I don't think it's, because we've seen them do this.

But, but. What happens when the Order 66 comes in? fucking Cody doesn't go Kill a must kill Jedi He goes like He goes like affirmative And then turns and shoots at Obi-Wan Canobi Yeah, but then why

They're not zombies But then why make Tup a zombie In this? Because something did go wrong there I don't know what it was But sometimes technology breaks Sometimes you get one in your 10 million Clone Army

The chip breaks down Maybe he was drinking that water on Embara I don't know I don't know what it was I would like to to know. I think it would be better if we knew that we didn't know. I think it's a miss. I think it's we should have gotten the Kamenowans or something figuring out what it really is and then dismissing it. Do you know what I mean? Post credit sequence and they're like, we got to shut down

79s. Exactly. That's we have to. Yeah. It's definitely happening at 79s. Yeah. What did he do on those three those days away? Like they said that. up as such a like he was gone like where like aniken reported him his got it was gone and nobody knew where he was like that it that would just seem like it was going to be a big piece of the puzzle I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I like yeah I think it like for me it was it was a terrific arc though I think it's a sad end for five but it's a It's a great series of episodes getting into this sort of like political thriller, suspense, horror space. It's really well carried off.

It does a great job of like playing well with the, you know, the things that are hanging over this entire series. And, yeah, again, like getting increasingly frustrated that I know that like the runway the series has is running out. Right. We should talk a little bit about that maybe so that people know. Oh, yeah. What's coming? Yeah. We talked about it.

And I mean, we talked about it. We've had this conversation since the jump in some ways, which is like, how do we watch the show? Do we want to watch the show in release order? Do we want to watch the show in chronological order? Do we want a skip list? Do we want, what's the production order? is different like what do we want to do with that um and this is increasingly important for us because we've as we said at the beginning of this episode at the end of this season the show goes on a

six year hiatus um and in that time rebels happens this team minus george lucas goes on to make rebels uh in the in the time between season six which is a half season and season seven And I think it sounds like what we're going to do is finish season six, do some of the legacy material, I believe, is what it's technically called, right? Clone Wars legacy, the Clone Wars legacy, which includes stuff that was going to be future season content, like a Darth Mall comic called Son of Dathamere, a crystal crisis on Utapau, which is Utapau, which I guess, That's the planet that Obi-Wan finally confronts Grievous on, isn't it? In Revenge of the Sith, the final, that's like that final planet, which is just like the animatics to like unfinished CG, like no treatment, maybe not even real voice acting. That's a four-episode arc. And then Dark Disciple, the book, the Ventress Quinlan Voss book that we've heard mixed things about.

But is Clone Wars canon, is canon still? and is part of this clone war's legacy thing. I hope it's smutty. I hope it's smutty. I agree. We all agree that. We are all asking for this. Yeah.

Sorry, I pulled up Oudapau on Wikipedia, and I just flashed to points of interest. Shrapnel field. Sinkhole. Great. Tackwell racing pit. I love Star. It was such richly, densely imagined. locales we find in Star Wars.

And then we're going to watch Rebels. So we're going to go from the last episode of season six into the Clone Wars legacy and then into Star Wars Rebels. And then we're going to come back for season seven after we watched Rebels the way that regular viewers of Clone Wars had to do. Yeah. Which audience, that means I know some audience who's watched ahead. That means I know generally what the episodes in this season are about.

I know what characters show up. what the deal is. I know I know some stuff and that makes me very excited because I want to capture some of the energy that it must have felt like for being a Clone Wars fan in 2014. I do appreciate that Austin goes and consults the tomes of forbidden

knowledge. I've known this thing for a long time again. This is not even a... It's not a spoiler. It's a spoiler, but it's not a spoiler. It's not an event. It's a thing. And this is going to be a little controversial but also to make sure that we come to this in the right mindset,

that we're going to pause the podcast for seven years. The Patreon is going to run. We'll be like, we'll just be like, what's up. Yeah, we'll just keep on sending that end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll probably play a game or two, maybe, finally. Yeah. But that's about it.

Then seven years. We'll see how all this plays out. No, we will watch Rebels. We probably won't watch Resistance in this break. The sequel trilogy cartoon, right? Why wouldn't we? Maybe we do. I guess maybe we do.

I don't know. Is it good? I'm not saying we never watch it. I'm not saying we never watch. Let me, one second. Star Wars Resistance. When are we going to watch Obi-Wan? This month.

We're doing that now. We're very close to just wait until after we finish Clone Wars and watch Obi-Wan. No, we should do it. We should do it sooner. Resistance ran from 2018 to 2020. So we could do rebels and then resistance and then Clone Wars. It's possible. Resistance is fairly short

Resistance is Okay, resistance is not Resistance is 40 episodes But it's two seasons It's only two seasons How long those episodes? 22 minutes like TV TV episodes

Those are big I've just heard it's not as good But maybe we'll find something to it I don't know Do we want to put off our hearty meal? You shouldn't even watch the first seasons of Clone Wars Those people were wrong Right, you're right

That's true They were wrong But we've been waiting so long to eat this delicious season 7 It's true It is true Well we'll see where we're at

Because Rebels is only Three seasons right Oh Yeah I don't know It's four seasons It's four seasons It's 75 episodes

So Jesus Didn't we just hit Episode 100 A hundred Of Clone Wars Of Clone Wars Yeah rebels is big

Rebels is juicy There's a lot of rebels Damn Okay But it's not as much As Clone Wars is Yeah yeah yeah so that's the plan oh i think i had one other thing that's smaller but i have to

remember i needed to remind myself of what it is one second something that came up in a chat that i'm in that i wanted to note um oh it was i wanted to note what the um this comes from uh someone who's written in for us before um some sniper serpent, noted in a chat that I'm in, that in the EU, at the time of the clone wars coming out, before this stuff happened, the clones were biologically incapable of disobeying an order, and that that was something everyone knew about. So every Jedi knew that a clone would kill them with hesitation if Palpatine asked, because that's just how clones worked, but they all just operated assuming that would never happen, which is a very funny version of. this that everybody knows all clones cannot say no to an order it's just that well palpatine would never order the death of the of the Jedi why would he do something like that why would he do so he would never do something like that we're his we work for him only a Seth would hate

Jedi that much good thing they're all gone uh all right so that's that's the plan oh i've one other last thing and then it'll be done done no felonies own this episode No, Filoni's own this season. What? Rob, part of what has happened here. When you said to me the other day, when you were like, it feels like they're canceling a show just as they hit its stride, the thing that hit me that I didn't say in response when you said that was you have no idea. Because if you go try to go go go look up the Clone Wars, um, uh, uh, uh, a devise. box set.

Let's see what comes up. Maybe this has changed now. But for years, okay, it has changed now. For years, it was seasons one to five. And then season six got its own special thing

called Clone Wars, the Lost Missions, is what it was called. Because this season did not air on Cartoon Network. This season aired on Netflix. Wait, which season?

season six. Our current season... That's right for a long time the show was on Netflix. That's right. This show went to Netflix after season five. Oh.

That six, that half season aired on Netflix. And no more Filoni's own stuff. Let me tell you. The Star Wars.com trivia facts slim on these episodes. I was so sure I'd get info about this

logo or this that like all that stuff that used to exist god there's like one one or two things on each of this so it feels like they were sending it to die do we know why is there a good explainer somewhere of like George Lucas gives this thing a five year run a hundred episode runway to start this out they win the Emmy somewhere of like yeah why does season six just get the plug rid because Disney bought the Star Wars and they wanted to try to figure out their own canon. Stupid bastards. Yeah.

Let's let JJ Abrams figure it out. Yep. That's not even the one you won. He's not even the one you won. So there is no, the one thing that gets produced for the DVD, special feature rats, no webisodes, none of that shit, that I can find. If you can find those things, if those exist somewhere, you let me know, but I dug, I couldn't find shit.

I couldn't even find anybody mentioning things as if they were, you know, what I mean. There was no this week on the web episode. No, nothing. The one thing I have is like a 16 minute long end of season thing that we should watch. That is a bigger behind the scene featurette. That is

it's as close to a eulogy for the Clone Wars as I've ever seen. Because when it's made, they don't know that they're going to get a season 7 in six years or whatever. Seathing. Yeah, dude, just wait until you watch this featurette. So yes.

We're done with the Faloni zone for now. I would love to know if the Filoni Zone comes back for rebels. It'd be cool to get those back. I miss them already. But, you know, the harvest in the last two arcs was hot. Bounty. You know, there was a bounty. He was getting good at it too.

The show is getting good, but also he's cutting better promos than ever before. I know. He's just like in, like, just imagine what he could have done with this. Like, maybe some of you sometimes wondered, like, what would be like of a clone? just order 66 too early. I'm not going to let on what's happening next episode. I know. Oh, that would have been so good.

Ah. Oh, I want to know. I want to know what he would have said. All right. Well, that concludes this arc. That's the plan for the future of this podcast. Now we're going to navigate the labor production of late series Clone Wars. We'll be back in a couple weeks as a what?

The episodes. the next set of episodes. Yeah, we're gonna welcome back a shitty ex-boyfriend and love making a surprising return. And no, I'm not talking about Lux Buntary. The titles give it away as we're watching Old Friend

Rise of Clovis. No! It's a little lovis! Hey, Anakin, it won't be the first time if you know what I mean. And crisis at the heart. So the next three parts, so the next three episodes.

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Until next time, I once again, just have to remind you that you got to do the coup. And sometimes, space itlers at the end of your barrel, you've got to pull that trigger. I'm going to be able to be. and

I'm not going to be it. We know. We know. Oh. Oh. And so. I'm a bit of it. I'm going to be.

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