A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 58: The Yoda Arc (Clone Wars 119 - 121)

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

Come to the end of Clone Wars' original run, we have.   No. No I won't do it. You can't make me write in Yoda. Yoda doesn't even write in Yoda, I bet.  Lie, Yoda does n- No. No I'm not going to have a big, Gollum-like argument with myself either. This arc already did that and it wasn't good then, so why would it be now?  In any case. This is it: The end of Season 6. For millions of fans, it served as a finale for The Clone Wars for six years. A deep dive about some basics of the force. A return of a voice long thought lost. A bunch of new force lore that we did not need. And, of course, an attempt to make everything just a little too tidy.  Could it really end any other way? Next Time: Star Wars: Darth Maul - Son of Dathomir Issues 1-4 and Crystal Crisis on Utapau  Show Notes Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakeney, joined by Ali Akampura, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are continuing our journey through season six of the Clone Wars, supported, as always, by our listeners at patreon.com slash civilized, and today, of course, is very special. because this episode concludes the original run of the Clone Wars cartoon

and thank God our project grew in size and scope because I think this would be a very challenging set of episodes to go out on not that they're bad but they set aside so many of the show's themes

and storylines to focus on a quest Yoda goes on to understand more about the force and a little bit of the history of the Sith I'll just dig in the summary real quickly Ali,

Ali, we're immediately, how they just, what do people do? Like, what if you're like, okay, I'm sitting down,

I'm watching the last episode of Clone Wars. And that was it. If I was there, Dave Faloni would know my name. Okay? Dave Faloni would know who the,

who else? Cartoon Network, right? Or Disney, Disney. right Disney Disney cutting there for being like

yeah we're going to wrap this one up I know they had but they but it was up to them to say the last word

I yes yes I think we can hold them to that but I do think that it's like based on what they it might have been

like based on what they had in the oven it was the one that they had to say we're going to that's fair we just don't know

I just don't know it's not the right one you're right Rob what's the word of these episodes about yeah so this is

is this is deep force lore like imagine imagine we had a second mortis arc here it is the second mortis they pranked us they fucking pranked us into another mortis arc so the first episode voices picks up from the revelations of the disappeared as the Jedi begin to doubt themselves in the wake of learning about the origin of the clone army but yoda is distracted by messages he is receiving from Quigon Jen. He abandons the Jedi Council to chase his visions to Dagaba, where a disembodied Quigon

tells him about the nature of the force and the training he must undertake. This leads Yoda to a mysterious nebula, where he meets with the five priestesses who explained the relationship between the living force and the cosmic force and midichlorians. After this long overdue footnote

to the prequel trilogy, Yoda is subjected to visions of his fears and hopes as a test before the priestesses send him to complete his vision on the home planet of the Sith. This leads to our final episode, the previous episode was called Destiny. Our final episode here is Sacrifice, where Yoda's investigation of the Sith homeworld invites a psychic attack by Duku insidious, and they fight a dream duel between the two Sith, Yoda, and Anakin. Given the choice between saving himself and letting Sidious escape, Yoda sends the two into a Rakenbach-Falls-style plummet

to their deaths. Yoda awakens from the division and rejoins the council with a conviction that the Clone Wars may already be lost and cast a long lingering look around the Jedi Temple as if preparing to say goodbye to it forever, or at least for several more years until the Clone Wars cartoon picks back up. So a little bit of context here to wrap back around, because I just remembered something, which is it wouldn't be Cartoon Network or I mean it's Disney still but as a reminder these episodes debuted on Netflix and this entire season was sold as the Lost Missions

which immediately I think you probably go into that feeling like oh I'm not going to get any fucking closure out of this I'm not I would have preferred to have some closure but when I think about the stories that are in this season I guess I guess I would have rather ended on the first arc, right? Maybe that's... Yeah, the tale of five seems like it wraps up. Fives is a better conclusion. Yeah, that, I mean, it centers, like, the clones for this Clone Wars show.

The Clone Wars. And has a little satisfying revelation of, like, finally someone sees the plot. Yeah, I guess you needed some of that for the Sifa Diaz, put a chip in people's designed to chip, whatever the fuck. Like that comes up briefly in that But you've been working around that So yeah We open on Yoda

Just having a good meditation Vib Sash And he gets Jacob Marlead By Quigon And yeah It's It's like It's surprising

It's funny here This choice they made in the prequel trilogy They sort of double down on here Which is that for everyone who's involved, like, for everyone who's watched Star Wars, we just take it for granted, this is how it works. Like, this is, like, this is so funny that this is like, this is the origins of the Jedi talking from beyond the grave. And it's like, I didn't really need an explanation for this from like a new hope. Like the minute Ben is like, use the Force Luke, everyone's like,

the Force Wizard still talking to him, guidance around the grave. We're all good with that. But now we got to have a whole, like, cosmology introduced to support this. It's really weird, right? because the thing that specifically happens is it, in the original, it's what you just said. It's just like, whoa, that's a cool thing all Jedi do. And here, they've not only made, they've not only explained, like, how did he do it? It's also that it's rare and destined that it happens to the particular Jedi that it happens to. The fact that Yota had to go on a mission to do this. Like, what did Jodah?

Oh my God, you said Jota again. Unbelievable. I love it. Shout out to Jodah. Shout out of Jodah. What did he learn? What did he literally, like, other than... We'll get there.

Letting go or something. But the thing that kills me is, I think that would be, I would be fine with Yoda had to go learn this from a secret place. I don't love it because, again, I think like watching the original trilogy is like, oh yeah, I guess Jedi have a connection to the force so they can become one with the force when they die. That's fine. The thing that, like, really pushes it over the edge for me is the five priestesses being, like, Like, you're going to, as a, you need to know this because you're going to bring balance to the force because you're going to help somebody else. There is another. There's another Skywalker.

Shut the fuck up, first of all. Yeah. But two, the, Yoda's ghost doesn't do anything. Yeah. Right? Ever. That's not, Yoda's ghost shows up at the end. Well, the thing that I was waiting for was like somehow a revelation that Yoda dies on this planet.

And from now on, the Yoda is just a ghost. from now on. That would have been all right. That's what I was waiting for. That was like the shoe. Yeah. Because as far as I remember, Return to the Jedi, Yoda dies in front of Luke and then we see him as a ghost at the very end.

But he's not in between there. He doesn't say he was like showing up for chats. It's like a fucking Tarantino character. Let's sit down for coffee. Let's chop it up. The theory of the dark side. He literally never comes back to the ghost until the very last thing. And then in the sequel trilogy, which isn't out at the time of this thing being written, of course, we get the stuff in Last Jedi.

But, like, it's not about that. That's not what this is about. So, it's so stupid. By the way, though, like, it's super important that you have to be the one to teach Ben this. That's the other thing. Lickety split, Yoda. Also, like, take this lesson and, like, pass it on. Presumably, Yoda teaches it to Quigon, too.

Because remember, Quigon says in this, he can't become a goat person. Yeah. He can only tell you can only be voices. And by the time we get to Obi-Wan, he can be a ghost person. Wait. This makes no sense. It's... This is, I, form poster, form poster mode activated.

Because what, what are we talking about? He only learns it to teach it? Basically. Off screen. Yeah, he teaches off-screen of it. The file not found. Yeah, when would that have even happened? Quiguan didn't have to go on this whole fucking journey?

Right. Did Quigod do all this shit? Did he go to a session? Quigon definitely did this shit. Quigon did all this shit and this is why Quigon is the way he is. Like this is like the deep lore on Quigon not fitting in with the council is he knows more about the force than they do. But like Quigon and imagine you go to this and you have to come back to the council

and you have Piadi Mundi B. Okay, actually, Kiani Mundi says like 18 things in this episode. It's the truth. You know what? Spitting. You know what? He deserves those wives.

He deserves every one of those wives. I owe Kiyadi Mundi an apology. I have written him off so often as a breeder fetish, Mr. Konehead. But it turns out that he is one of the most insightful Jedi on the council. He had his. And he's the only one who could call out Yoda. Is it him? Is it his wives?

His wives. That's what sets him apart. And he's like, babe, I have to talk to you. Yoda was falling asleep. Babes, Yoda was falling asleep at the council today. He is the... He is gone. He is gone.

He's ever one of us who's ever been hung over for a thing. And it's like, so what do you think about that? Oh. Yeah, no, that sounds, that's a super important. point that uh my man here just raised and so it's so good say because it is the most important shit because for once they do pick up the thing from the previous episode of it like hey aren't we still in the middle of like realizing we're all fucked right now and yoda's like bha like kiari like kiari wundi asks a really important question that's like shocking has not

occurred to them but he's like why are we so convinced that Duku is like the Sith master. He's like what, like we have no, like we have no real reason to conclude that. And which is a very good point because if you think about it, like if you think Duku is like one of their best when he left. Like there's kind of two options, right? One is that like he found some cool Sith literature out there and got like completely darksided or there's someone really powerful out there who was like, hey Duku, want to

want to come be a Sith apprentice, and he was like, yes. Can I tell you that this will come up again in Star Wars Son of Dathamere, the little four book, four comic run that we're going to read next? That also probably isn't enough to stay in a full episode, so I think we're going to have to staple it on the front of another different episode, but it will come up. There's like this question of who is the true Dark Lord of the Sith. Before we get too far ahead, I have a completely nothing thing to. note.

Y'all say the snake tail? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I saw this guy last episode. I did not. I missed him. We, that was kind of a long episode, we had a lot to talk about. So I was like, did anyone, who knows who this guy is?

I have no idea who this guy is. Is he a recent recruit? Did he just get the promotion to? Natalie, you look confused. Do you not know who we're talking about? No. Do you not see the giant banana ballpice on a minute. Yeah, go to a minute.

4-58 for 5 minutes in episode 1 Bring it in Bring it in Yeah What? Oh yeah It's around then That, that, yeah

Who is that? And it untangles and like goes through the He has a special seat Where it moves through the thing I noticed that they all have different chairs Yeah Special chairs And that one has like a little

A little snake tail hole I have no idea who that is I was so confused You just know Corrissant doesn't have a single fucking wheelchair repulsor ramp like anywhere and then the Jedi council is like hey uh what bespoke furniture can we get for you so that you're comfortable during our weekly like 15 minutes stand-up where we agree to pot table

all motions till next till next week we also get right after that so yeah so yoda eventually is like hey i'm sorry i'm out of it uh cligon talked to me so silly okay he's being like uh Like, he's just being so, like, and he's like, uh, I don't know. Like, so goofy. And I'm just like, who the fuck are you? And I just can't believe, oh, my God. I can't believe we are just where we started. Like, we are, I wrote in my notes with this living green freak.

I think that's a typo. I don't think I meant to say living, but he is a living, he is a living green freak. And this whole time, he's so. so, like, he's so bumbley. This is not Yoda from... Who is this guy? I don't know this guy. But here's the thing, though. I think the one thing I think this actually does get across is like...

This is like when Christ comes back to the apostles, right? Like, this is like, like, Yoda's a Jedi master, like, been around for like a thousand years doing this shit. And this has never happened. Right. And, like, one of his old friends just shows up and is like, oh, you. yeah, by the way, it turns that you can't maintain your consciousness

after you become one with the force. And it fucks him up. Yeah. It's that foundation. Because he's also not sure if he's just losing it. Right. That is one thing. I do like seeing Yoda suffer as his faith is shaken.

Well, and because we'll see this more in the next episode of Destiny, but like they do get across here that like Yoda is carrying a ton of grief. And so like that's the other part that is in the background of this is like he might, Like, I'm not sure the episode does a great job with sending this up, but my read on it is that the thing he, the thing that makes him think he might be just like hallucinating all this is that this, like, it's

kind of related to all like the doubt and fear and like sadness that he's carrying over everything that's happened basically since the Clone Wars began. His name is oppo, Or opo rancisus. He's a four-sensitive, Thespiation, or Thespiacian? I want to say Thespiacian. And what is not clear, what we've lost because we've paid too much attention to the snake tail is they have four arms and they hide two of them inside of their clothing at all times. Oh my gosh, they're like always cozy. They're always all cozy. Yeah, uh-huh. I love that. Anyway. His hair, dude.

He's got a lot of hair. His whole, it's this torso top to bot, like, it's all hair up there. Anyway, I do like that Yoda, the idea that like, oh, there's a way it works. And this is important for the rest of this thing. You are, when you are alive, an emitter of the living force. And when you die, you become part of, you emit the rest of your force. And it goes into the cosmic force, which becomes.

your identity. You lose your identity. There's no more identity. It's Final Fantasy 14 cosmology. You go back into the well of souls or whatever it's called in Final Fantasy 14 and you lose your selfhood and you go into like, hey, there's all the, there's life and then force up there. And then it can get re and you can come back out as a living thing again.

It's reincarnation. You know, it's, it's not just Final Fantasy 14. Obviously. Only Final Fantasy has done it. But it's that specific, the thing the truth is, I don't know enough about, I don't, I guess I would say, the religions I know about where reincarnation exists, knowledge doesn't pass through into reincarnation, but the soul is still, is still the identity of you. You are still that person working through, et cetera. But here, that is not the case. Your fucking individuality, gone, and you go back into the wellspring or whatever, and then into the cosmic force, and then you can come back theoretically, or the cosmic forces that, used to grease, you know, fertilize the world for the living force. Having someone be like, no, that's not how it works, that would throw you off if you were the head person who believed that thing.

So I do like that it fucked with him. That's true. You know what I mean? That's fair. They really, this is extremely my Catholic school upbringing coming through, right? But they are like really being like, hey, there's a, not a Trinity, but there's a body. there's a binary of the living force and the cosmic force. They're like trying to give you fucking Jedi catechism in this episode or in these episodes

to really push that, which is wild because it's the last episode of this entire show. Some of this stuff might have been useful terminology to have season one or two. We talked about the force a lot, but it's fine, no worry about it. We had Mortis. Where, how does, for Mortis being brought up so much, how, why? And it comes up here. bring it up here. Literally, Yoda asks Anakin

about Mortis. He was like, you talked to Quigon on Mortis, didn't you? And Anakin's like, yeah, but you know, it was just a mind trick formed out of our memories. You know, it wasn't... No. He said, doesn't he say

the Jedi Council told me? It was a, like, like, the reason he is sort of like cast that out of his mind is because the Jedi Council were like, that didn't happen. There's a Star Wars.com note on this, by the way. He says so did Obi-Wan. However, since he's dead, we don't think it was actually him, rather an illusion, a mind-trick

formed out of our memories. That's what Obi-Wan believes. While contemplating the mystery of Quigon's voice, Yoda asks Anakin about the incident on Mortis seen in season three of the series. It's important to note that although censors indicate no time has passed while the Jedi ventured into Mortis and some of Anakin's visions experience there were erased, the mysterious event did happen. And Obi-Wan, Asoka, and Anakin did report their encounters to the Jedi Council.

So there was some sort of debrief about Mortis. It wasn't a dream. It was real. They actually went there. They went to that fucking planet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was the good and the dark side. The light side and the dark side.

And the third one, and the dad. And the dad. And the dad. How did they play into fucking cosmic living force? I'm just going to throw all that right in the same closet with the Prenessian Gospels and just keep it moving. So the other thing that I kind of dig here, though, because it does It does sort of pose like, well, what, oh man, this is the last opportunity for the Jedi to get their shit together.

Well, it kind of seems like what they might be getting their shit together for is creating sort of a Jedi secret police. Uh-huh. Like, Mace in particular. So you've got, you got Kiani Mundi who's sort of asking the right questions, but you got Mace who's like time to start surveilling my fellow council. members and because his position is the Sith Lord walks among us

and so if Yoda if weird things are happening to Yoda maybe that's Sith influence so we better we're not going to tell him he's under house arrest but regardless these medical tests he undergoes he is under house arrest

speak we have to talk about the medical tests we have to talk about before we do though can I just say that it was really cute I did this was I was going through a lot of emotions in regards my feelings towards Yoda throughout this episode. When everyone got up from their chairs and put their hand on him

and they meditated for a day together. And then Nikola Skotsky started playing and we got like the rapid vision of Corrassant as night passed a day. I feel like they could have done like one or two more days just to really get the effect. It was like an overnight. Like they didn't really,

they could have spent a little bit longer meditating, I feel like. But it's, we're good. It's all good. Okay, but at the same time, they're like a war console and like there's a battle happening. Like, y'all have 24 hours to do this? I guess it's also true. That is true.

But that's the homie. That's Yoda. You know what I mean? That's literally Yoda. Which, by the way, I do feel like we get some Yoda throughout this. And I'll call it as we go. That feels like it's Yoda who Yoda really is inside when he isn't needing to be stern Yoda got. You know what I mean?

The minute, so after they do the whole, like, so basically when he starts plotting his escape, he is starting to turn into original trilogy Yoda. A hundred percent. And it's like, like this arc, what seems to be happening is Yoda's being liberated from Jedi Council Yoda because he's like,

Jedi Council's cooked. They don't need to know it, but they're cooked. It's like the reverse of the Magic Johnson, I'm not going to be there. He's like, y'all not going to be here. What should we do about the fact that the Sith produce the clone army

oh no I don't know that's up to y'all let me tell you it's not going to be your problem for long the medical thing so that we can get to talking about the escape

yes please we introduced to a doctor who is just Padmey's voice actress by the way like stumbling through a French accent she's great I'm glad she got paid

you know there's not a lot of Padmay this season I'm glad they found a space for her that character voice is not it The character design is based on the original design of Mesa Windu though. Mace Windu is going to be one of these aliens originally in the original

taken character and then, you know, I'll send you a picture. Rig Nema is the name of the character. Someone talked to me about what the shot of Yoda getting ready for this medical treatment looks like. He is, I, okay. Punished Yoda They have him hanging there They do Hanging there

With his little dangley little legs Punished Yoda From the ceiling They got him up in a harness They have him in a harness Over a vat Where they're going to medically induce Meditation

That's what they say But then they instantly are also like, oh, it might kill him. They say it's the closest thing to death that there is. Who is this person, by the way? She's a Jedi. She's a Jedi doctor who can speak to his spirituality. Remember, she keeps saying, oh, I can't talk to his spirituality. By the way, I can't speak to his biology.

Right, because we don't know what he is. We don't know what the fuck these guys are. I'm getting a lot of like new age men. medicine vibes for this lady and I was fearing for Yoda and he's like little he's like wearing like a little like warehouse like overall thing. It's so funny. Yoda needs to always be wearing robes in my mind. Like I this is going to come out wrong. I never want to see Yoda's feet. Like not for that reason. Yota's feet are good as anybody else's feet. He had his toes out at the meeting though. Yeah, I guess with the whole foot.

He's toed out usually. I'll see Yoda toe. Yoda toe is whatever. Yoda toe and feet is usually out and about. Not like this. Maybe it's Yida leg. Maybe it's like I don't want to see Yoda calf muscle. Do you know what I mean?

I don't want to see Yoda in little shorts. I think it's seeing the pant legs. It's the leg. It's the leg. It's the leg. It's the leg. It's the leg. You know what the summer variant?

I do. I think. I think the. summer variant is like a nice robe situation how's he going to get his feet wet I'll leave that up to him this is the vestigial like aspect

of him being a Muppet because like Muppet legs are always weird yes I don't want to see Muppet legs I hate it when Kermit is all the way on screen yeah but they also there's this one shot of him at 1511 where he is

in the harness in the overall over the vat and there's like a halo behind he's like literally Jesus is there's a whole there's a whole crucifixion vibe going on

here it's I mean I guess in a way this is like his own you know sacrifice and he's going to go deep with it and then come back after and then go on a journey for a while and then go to Dagabaa I don't know Is Yoda Jesus kind of?

I think Anakin is supposed to be... Yeah. No, it's just... Everyone gets a turn at it. Everyone gets a turn. So, Quigon's definitely John the Baptist. Oh, 100%. That's just math perfect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's the one who came before. He's the one who foretold, like, yeah, 100%. Yeah. He got cut in half, you know, like just like John the Baptist. I mean, you know. So here's the other thing that, uh... So, you know, this is going to end with Yoda being like, nobody needs to know what I saw.

But actually, it's Quigon who calls this tune. Quigon says, like, during this vision, don't tell anyone about this. Like, Quigon makes it clear he's to, like, keep secret the fact that Quigon is back and the fact that Yod is going to go and learn all this stuff. And so it does also kind of feel like, yes, Yoda kind of concludes that the Jedi Council, the Clone Wars are destined to end in tragedy for the Jedi. as they're currently constituted but that may

that also seems like he sort of like is he sort of recognizing that they're all in the throes of like prophecy that like quigon sees perfectly clearly which is anything we tell the other Jedi right now

can only fuck this up and stands a greater risk of becoming knowledge of the Sith you know and so like that's the thing that kind of leaped out at me here is like the the Jedi are starting to become a bit paranoid

of owing themselves but then also Quigon and by extension Yoda are making the decision to keep things secret from the council. And this is where I do feel, after they bring him out, and he's sort of under a loose house arrest, this is where I really start to feel like we are, this is, we are old school Yoda and his relationship with Anakin turns into Yoda and Luke. And I find it really loaded when he's like, are we friends to Anakin? because I was like, man, like, Anakin wishes you.

You know what I mean? This is the thing that kind of kills me is like, Anakin, you know, has been desperate to hear that from Yoda. Like, are we friends? Anakin has wanted to be. Anakin's wanted to be friends with you all since he got here as a little boy. But now, like, when it's time to get him to do a favor for you, it's like we're buddies, right?

What a gremlin. This is the most I felt like Yoda just believe. blatantly taking advantage of anikin. Just like, he was like, disobeying the counsel your expertise is. Spontaneity, your strengths are. Like, he just was like, do me this favor. You're going to catch a lot of shit for this. Which, like, he fucking will because nobody trusts him eventually.

The thing is, I think Yoda is, like, no one ever catches real shit. You know what? At the end of the day, we gave Duku his lightsaber back. No one ever catches shit. So, like, yeah, we're going to all, like, slap you. in the wrist afterwards, but like, it's him breaking k-fave in this moment. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I can't control that everybody, that Keanu Mundi is like, I secretly think that what's happening to Yoda right now is that a Sith person is going into his mind pretending to be Quiguan. And to hear like, oh, yeah, I'm Anakin. Yota told me to let him escape and I just let him. Like, the, like, the amount of, like, suspicion that the Jedi Council are on right now, like, that was a bad couple of days. when Yoda wasn't there?

Yeah, I mean, I would have immediately arrested Anakin, like immediately. More importantly, I think R2 could have done it himself. He didn't need Anakin. Artu could have busted Yoda out. You've got to pretend that Anakin's part of it so that, like, you don't wipe R2. Right, yeah, I guess that's true.

Yeah, we need the cover for R2, really. Yota gets into his fucked up little tie fighter. Yeah. I don't like seeing him flying. I don't like seeing him. basically at all in these episodes I know that's not true again I like him when he's in the little bed

with the blankie when he's like that when he's comfy mode yeah yeah yeah there's a bit to this I like I like his little tie because here's what I kind of dig with little tie fighter thing is actually a little bit like the tie advance that we later see it is flying around him and so again it just does draw these kind of lines

of like the most iconic cockpit and like wing assembly in Star Wars outside of the X wing maybe was originally like being used as the personal transport of Yoda and the next time we see the shit it's going to be like

the base design for the entire imperial fleet Yeah that's good It's great Um Where's he go He goes to Dagabah Is that where Quigon tells him to go?

Yeah he goes to Dagabat One of the purest places In the galaxy According to Quigon Jin But also the place where That one cave From Empire is which he has to go find

The tree cave The tree cave Yeah which is like My real complaints about this arc Is all that shit of like Don't set up stuff leader It's already set up I don't need to be like a tree

Like I don't need it to be like the tree That you got to go to Like it could have just It's cooler when it's just a dark place And that you could just happen to enter I was kind of annoyed that he's like Meet Me and Dagaba because it's so special And I'm like

I kind of like the idea that what's special about Dagabah is it's nothing, but Yoda's there with knowledge, which is something. Mm-hmm. Which again, it goes back to that whole thing of like they needed to, they retroactively decided all of this is destined versus playing in the original space, which is like, oh, it's archetypical for there to be a weird wizard hermit in the woods, in the swamp. You have to go out to the swamp. You know, you have to leave the safety of the king's court because the king is corrupt.

And so you flee out into the wilderness and you go on your journey and you, I have to leave your friends behind you, find yourself in a swamp, and you find an old warlock who teaches you some shit. Like, that's what the original is playing with, and it hits harder for me than Yoda was here before and communed with Gollum or whatever. Actually, is this the Gollum episode or that's the next episode? Fuck.

I cannot wait to talk about Gollum. What's the thing here? What's the... Quigar shows up as a bunch of fireflies, and what happens? It's the oomfy death reel. He's... Oh, it is the Umpi Death Reel. He does.

First, he explains the manifestation of the force being two parts. Yeah, I'll read this. I have this here. Thank you. Quigon says, I have a manifestation of the force, a force that consists of two parts. Living beings generate the living force, which in turn powers the wellspring that is the cosmic force. Show yourself. Can you?

I cannot. My training was incomplete. All energy from the living force, from all things that have ever lived, feeds into the cosmic force, binding everything, and communicating to us through the mid-chlorians. Because of this, I can speak to you now. See the future. You can. I exist where there is no future or past. Know you who the Sith Lord is. I can only show you a place where the answers will be revealed to you.

Two things really quick. First, I think this is the most we've ever heard, the Force theme specifically and more broadly, some of the John Williamsy stuff from the original trilogy in the Clone Wars. And second, I can't believe they got Liam for this. Oh, did they? Yeah, that was him, right? Uh-huh

They got him for this Yeah It's a meteor roll than he gets in Obi-One It's true He actually says some shit here So then yes I do like you would have being like on mission here Yeah

Being like can we talk about the Sith Lord I kind of would have loved That's what when I say like It's wild that this is the last episode It's like This should have been a recurring type of Jedi story that we got That wasn't that wasn't more like I like this more than

Mortis. I think Mortis is more closed off to me in terms of like what it's saying about the mythology. I like the Living Force Cosmic Force Divide that basically hits for me. It's vague enough to still have a lot of play space. I would love for there to be more stories and clone wars about Jedi young off to like research the Sith and

ancient Jedi artifacts and the nature of the force and I would have been a dope season four episode. Where can I not find that? Where you can find it? Oh, where? Inducu Jedi Lost. Oh, and Duky Jedi lost. That is a lot of Duky Jedi lost. You're right.

Is Jedi going on little missions and stuff to discover things? Yeah. I mean, I just, it's interesting, it's odd to see Yoda positioned as so direct in this conversation when Yoda is always, like, talking in vagaries and riddles and, like, funny little sayings. And here he's, like, straight up just like, who is the Sith Lord? Like it's a fucking magic eight ball Like what what will my future hold? Like will I get married?

Like will I Something else I like here is The line that keeps getting drawn Between Yoda, Duku and Quigon That Quigon is Duku's apprentice Or was Dukes apprentice And Duku was Yoda's apprentice And that's a big part of why people are like

Hmm is everything all right with Yoda Like Yoda and Duku have that history and I like that as being part of what forces Yoda to be in mission mode is that it's something tied to his line of Padawan succession. You know what I mean? Like this is Yoda's, like, in the same way that when Obi-Wan had to go deal with them all, it was like, Obi-Wan, this is your shit. Like, this is, this is, it's time for you to step aside,

go deal with your Jedi business, we'll move some Jedi around to cover for you at the war. And then you can, like, handle that and move on. And I like that that is kind of part of what pulls Yoda here. is like, I mean, obviously it's all the other stuff we've already talked about, but I like that through line with Duku and Quigon. Which is easy to forget if you haven't listened to Duku Jedi lost, you know?

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It's very rarely given attention. That's true. And then, and then Yoda has like a dark side vision of Order 66. Uh-huh. And what's her name is killed? there's red lightsabers at first

and then what's her name is killed with a blue lightsaber oh damn is she Shaqti yeah shockty is killed with a blue lightsaber and that is from a scene

that got cut in in return of the or Revenge of the Sith like that exact shot yes uh-huh yes so they like replicate that shot the fact that Yoda

sauce a blue lightsaber he's not that's not how that feels for him you know it's like whoa He's not able to put some shit together

He doesn't have Wikipedia, he only sees this once Yes, yeah, he can't hit rewind on this You can't pause, you can't frame advance It's significant though It is I would know, I feel like in colors generally Like you're seeing red, red, ooh, sis, sick I mean, okay, here's the other, okay

Blue amongst the red into Shocktee Like that here's the He could know At the end of this, he could know he could know what's about to happen because the end of this arc is him being like I gotta start playing the long game there's another Skywalker

he could know because he comes back and he says like we can't prepare for tomorrow we have to prepare for the next day I mean that's his fucking MMO I mean MMO that's his MMO with everything it's just be passive and react

which is literally well no no no that's this is different because he comes back from all this and someone asks him like all right, did you find out who the Sith Lord is? Do you find out if we can figure out how to win this war? And he's like, well, I don't know about the war, but I got a long-term plan. He's like, yeah, there's hope in the future.

But he means not the war. He means we're all about to get God. He means way longer. He might know it's Anakin and might be on that. We just got to let it happen. I think that's what it is. We'll get there. And then we'll react.

Yeah, okay. So, yeah, so he's got to go to this other place now to go get his training. so in destiny he goes through this like spooky nebula and so like now he and he and Artu were just doing like Luke's journey in Empire but now Artu's hanging out with Yoda and Yoda has to like leave him behind as he goes into Artu has seen so much

He's been to Dagabah twice bro So now he's just pretending to be scared He's like oh boy it's a scary swamp thing He knows what's there He knows what's there He's been in this plan He's been to this force, like, wellspring planet? Every mission that Luke was flying for the rebellion.

Artu was like, we got to go to Daigopah. And he's like, no, that's not where the mission, like, all that shit, all that shit in the sequel trilogy where they're like, we don't know where there could be ancient Sith artifacts. Artu didn't pipe up and go like, oh, yeah, I've been to the Sith home planet. Not once. Not once. So they go into this Dr. Seuss mushroom kingdom.

And which is kind of like, so the mushroomy thing, Like, it does sort of tie into what we're going to get into here is the cycle of renewal and, like, recycling of force energy from the living force and the cosmic force and back. And, you know, obviously, like, mushrooms, fungus are kind of are an odd form of life that doesn't quite fit, like, a lot of biological definitions of what life is or looks like. And so, like, their presence here is kind of, you know, getting at that. But also here on this planet, he is going to be given force instruction by the Greek drama masks. Uh-huh. Like, that's what's... What are we doing here?

What the fuck are we doing? Happy, angry, sad, neutral, and slash face. That's kind of it. I, and I'm mad because, like, I was like, okay, you're doing something here. That's fine. Attempts doing it. But then they all said what their names are. And I was like, come on.

That was so corny. Yeah. That was so whack. Boo, tomato. And the fact that the reveal is, they're all just one. Uh-huh. And one Jedi that learned this trick. Well, they're not a Jedi necessarily, right?

They're like, uh. They're priestesses? They don't even. I'll learn that until the next episode. Yeah. There's a... Go ahead. Why is Yoda, like, shocked that they're, like, beyond the worldly realm?

Like, you thought this floating lady in this weird, like... Well, because, again, he doesn't think there's such a thing as, like, immortality or, like, living in the forest outside of time or whatever. This is, actually, one of my big core confusions about the cosmology that's presented here, because I believe beginning in this episode, definitely in the next one, they start arguing. doing that, like, the Sith only believe in the material world or that they believe the force exists, but that when you die, you're dead and that's it. That's what the Jedi believe, too. Captabated by the physical realm the Sith are, yeah. Right.

The Jedi also believe that. This is them learning that that's not the case. Like, I get the idea that the Sith aren't as invested in the cycle of giving yourself back up to the cosmic force. Like, I get that part. The Jedi also believe your identity dies at death. So that's the same belief. That's not that different, which, of course, reinforces that view that we had last

episode of the Queen Julia people who are like, the Jedi and the Sith are both just like warriors who are obsessed with taking things and killing people. But the thing is, the Sith believe in sacrificing Jedi. So you have to believe in some sort of exchange rate with that. Yeah, I mean, they all think that that they do think that there is a power exchange. Yeah, I don't know. It's nothing. Anyway, the thing I wanted to read was Faloni says that the forest priestesses may be one being who became five over a long period of time saying, quote, the way I reconciled that being is actually one being. It's one ancient

being separated over time that for our perception to be able to see her, she is these many different iconic things presented to us. But she died a long, long, long, long time ago. She's conscious in the force and she's a limited ability to manifest. See, this is where I feel keenly the lack of a Faloni zone because I really want the shi eating and smirky delivery of all that. I wish he could explain this to me with his face. I want that so bad. It's unfair that we don't have it, honestly.

And I know, you know what would have happened? If there was a Faloni zone for this episode, what would have happened is he would have talked about the fact that they had. this little freak leapfrogging from mushroom to mushroom just like they did in the very first episode of the Cornwallers and that was the most

important. They really wanted to just come back to the first episode in some way so they decided to have them leave frog a bunch from mushroom to mushroom. I liked viewing it. I'm sorry I might be Yoda-pilled. You're Yoda-filled. You're all the way on

You show Yoda-pilled that when his shadow other manifested, and he had to have a little fight with Gawley-Gy-Oda? Everybody, stop. And so we got to stop. I'm sharing my screen. Okay. Do you see my screen? Let's see your screen. Oh, my God, what had happened.

Oh, yeah. Dave. Filoni! You, sly dog. Oh my God, I wish I was there. How did you know coming I was? Jamie King did the voice of all five of the precesses. She's all of them. Yeah.

Jamie had a great time. She was someone that can take on that challenge, and we had to come up with these archetype voices for each of the identity. entities. I don't want to ruin any greater mystery of this whole thing for you, but the way that I reconciled what that being is, is it's actually one being. Oh my God. It's one ancient being separated over time that for our perception to be able to see her, she is these many different iconic things presented to us. But she died a long, long, long, long ago. She is conscious in the

force, and she has a limited ability to manifest. What we're getting at is why Yoda and Obi-Wan are able to do this and why other people can't there's an existence you didn't have to it's been done before when he learns it this is all like far out stuff and meetings with georgie so who was she in her living life was she like a peddler or what did she do i don't know i hope a penguins fan but i don't know we all continue you and sons oh i hate this i hate the part serendy did jami record all the dialogue at the same time where would she just do one voice. We did a little of both. I think once she had a handle on the different voices that she would stick with jumping between, but sometimes for certain laughs or certain things that we would

gear just for that specific moment, a lot of that design sense with those creepy faces, it lacks personality, but has a tremendous amount of personality. It's unsettling. So you're not sure when Yota's talking to her. Is she good? Is she evil? Again, because we're thinking in those terms. and that being is not existing on these terms really You felt that we had nothing to teach you but you must trust in our teachings if you are to succeed

Yoda literally says okay that's his response to that in the show That's beautiful Thank you awesome Yeah I'm glad I found it Thank you for sharing that Thank you

I'm so glad I have to now make sure That we're not missing like a thousand of these You know Oh, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, don't worry about it, it's fine. Um, so the little, the, the, the, the, the, the little freak. Uh-huh. Yoda, yeah, or Jota. He's got to go into the mountain to confront.

Can we, sorry, I'm sorry, they're, I'm sorry. There are a bunch of these. We need to probably sit down at some point, watch these. Okay. A special episode. Did you stumble across a trove? I did. I don't know how no one sent me these. It's because they're not Philoni zones proper. It's all this

where it's their answers to things. Including things we're watching currently. Also, Cifodeus and the Sith. We have to watch that one. Okay. We have to watch that one right now. I need to watch that one right now. I know I have a heart out. But we need to watch the one

that's about Cepodeus and the Sith. We need, because why? because why? Oh, because why? Yes, exactly. Because, yeah. All right, I'm hitting play. It's the same setup. It's the same opening video. It's the same, they're playing the same shit again. I'm going to let it run. We should have been there.

I wish that was me. Oh, look, that's Sipodeus from this arc. So maybe we don't need to watch this one. life you are help me please we find out who Cepha Dias is Dias. Did George know since episode two what Cepo Dias was?

No, that's wrong. I give you my opinion I don't know. I mean, as a storyteller myself, I could tell you that you evolve the story so much as you create other parts of the story. I think that it was something that he wanted to lock down more before he left, which is

why we have this arc. And one interesting thing that you have to accept, which I had not really considered just watching the movies, is that Cidius has both Ducu and Maul as Paduan learner to him at the same time, because Duku, in order to put the things in motion that he does, has to be doing them around the time of Phantom Menace. So he is operatively working somewhat knowingly for Cidius under corruption while Mall is still there. So I would have this whiteboard and draw all up in the episodic direction, and I would all get in that tutorial and look at it. Then I'd call you and Pablo, and I'm like, you had to come up here.

We've got some problems. There's some timeline problems. We kept trying to figure it out. If I really wanted to go on a wing, I'd call Whitware. But then I don't have that much time in a day. It's like a two-hour legacy session about, you know, some obscure RPG novel that came out in 1980 that was talking about these things before they ever occurred somehow. And it fell through a time wormhole.

I don't know. Half the things he knows, but I can always rely on Sam. Sam, do you want to stand up? Sam Whitworth? Sam Whitmer. We don't have the time. of what happened to them all what happened to mall what happened to ma' you got it you got it mostly right though thank you i try

you know i'll take mostly right that's a huge win in the star wars continuity world you did not answer a thing about sifodias you didn't answer a thing why would you need he did not say what that you just wasted my time david should we just be interviewing sam right right we want what the fuck is going on we just got to get sam we gotta reach okay all of these i'm looking at them. These are all about this arc which is why I never encountered one of them before.

This is the Mystery of Dengaba, the Force Planet, Yoda's vision, Siva Diaz and the Sith, evil Yoda Force ghosts. I have to hit Evil Yoda because we're at the Evil Yoda scene. We're at the Evil. This is a moment. Spat up

camera at people smiling in. I'm so glad we found a cache of secret Poloni Zones. Yoda. Show yourself. It's me. Oh, my God. Did you ever think that we would ever see an evil Yoda?

No, we didn't have a toy. We've been seeing an evil Yoda since the series began. I hadn't seen any of that before tonight, so that that was a treat. Good job, dude. You just watched these. By the way, I told you about it when you did it, though. I said, I need you to play Evil Yoda. And I tried to describe them as this beyond corrupt, golamy, gremlin kind of thing.

And it's always a question of, like, how far can we go with that visually? Because, you know, with a TV schedule and TV budget, you can't do all the things you would do on a big production and feature. But the team on Clone Wars by this season was so incredible at finding ways to produce these kind of things. So it got to the point where I could draw any wicked little thing. smoke and I'd tell Joel, Joel, I want this guy to be like reaching smoke and stuff as we go. And Joel, please, please, please, please. He lives for that stuff, Joel Aaron, so, and Keith animating it. And they did a great job. And with your voice, I wanted, I thought it was great. You got to play this creepier version. Well, that's something that, you know, you think of as we get more

involved in the, you know, the forest mythology, it's like, there's got to be an evil version of everything. Wait, is that true? What if he had kissed him at that moment? That's the last one we're going to watch. We don't need to watch the rest of these, but, you know. But now I'm dying to know, did everyone like Gullum, Yoda? Did everyone feel that was a worthy trial? He talked normal.

Why does evil, no, the whole time he was talking, he did not talk like Yoda, he talked normal. Yuda plays not with me anymore. Yudda thinks me not worthy. That's, that's Yoda talk. Right? Wait, then why did he just sometimes not? Because he said, yet you spend your days in the decadence war and that I grow inside you.

That was actually pretty good. That is the evil manifestation of Yoda's dick. Let me tell you right now. this is my theory this is my theory I'm ready to hear it he's talking about this was his

well I guess what they say it's his hubris but he talks about he talks about like why do you hate what gives you power like is this also where he says Yoda plays not with me anymore

yeah it was also supported by that Yoda does not play How did you know coming I was? I'm gonna go. It's in the text, I mean. It's in the text. This is in the text. This is in the text.

Anyway, they fucking fight. Yeah, they fight. This is not passive Yoda Jedi. First of all, Yoda, no lightsaber. Hands and force and heat only. He gave the lightsaber to R2, right? R2's holding the lightsaber. And yeah, he has a stick.

He got the walking stick. Yeah, he has this. He puts a stick to work. Yoda throws punches. Yoda throws hands in this fight. It is wild. This is as brutal as the mall versus, um, what's his face? Previz fight.

Oh, yeah. They're like going at it, for real. And I don't really understand why Yoda wins. I'll be honest. Like, what's the lesson? Yoda doesn't recognize. him doesn't recognize evil Yoda okay so just to set this up because they've he's talking to the serenity mask who's the one that he speaks to the most for some reason um and she's like okay you got to go

up to this big mountain and fight the evil inside of you and he's like I'm a Jedi master I've already conquered the evil inside of me I've got this a Jedi master I am know all that dwells within I do. Mastered my weakness and conquered my fears I have. Then what the fuck are you doing here? Because you're too afraid of something. So he has to go there and he's like, I have a hot shot. I don't have any evil inside of me.

And then his evil inside of him. Right. It's like a persona four thing. Right. Right. So he This is Sora's shadow. This is like a nobody. He kind of does look at nobody. I bet this happens in Kingdom Hearts 4. I promise you.

We will see evil nobody Yoda. I'm putting money on it right now. Oh, you're right. Fingers crossed. Oh, my God. But yeah, he wins because he's like, I do have evil inside of me. You are me.

But then he rejects it and he doesn't. Then he beats him in the ash. He burns him like to nothing. So like you was expecting like to hug it or something like the therapy exercise and like take into yourself. I accept I accept that this is in me and I have to live with that. said he just destroys it. I said that this isn't the am to burn it out. Right, exactly. He says, my dark side you are, reject you, I do. And then he obliterates. This is like, obliterates evil Yoda.

Like, this is like if, you know, you can include your therapy session and you're like, wow, I've really had this incredible breakthrough. And I can really identify these, these feelings I'm having and where they come from. And because of that, I think I'm to, suppress them like never before. I think I'm going to put them in a box and just sink that at the bottom of an emotional mariana stretch and we'll never have to think about it again. Thank you. You know what? I think we can cancel all our sessions from here.

I'm good. So, and the frustrating thing is that, again, I'm always kind of hopeful that we'll get to some of what, like, Ryan Johnson is starting to gesture at in The Last Jedi, which that, like, these sort of binaries were unproductive, right? This is, like, what his Luke Skywalker begins to drive at, which is that, like, the bifurcation of the self and the bifurcation of the force is, like, kind of what is, like, drives our undoing.

And this seems like it almost sets that up, but then he's like, and now I'm just going to defeat the evil inside me. When the evil's actually raising a good point, which is I love the, like, you spend your days in the decadence of war, and also kind of in that, the decadence of war that kind of implied there is the implication that, like, Yoda maybe relishes the power and the role of war leader.

You get off on using the power that I give you. There is something about this that lets you put your power on display. You know, you're not just in the ivory tower anymore. You're out in the world. People know who general Yoda is, you know? And you're going to tell me you don't get off on that a little bit. And what's weird to me is after this, he meets Serenity again. And Serenity says the lesson as if it went a different way, where, you know, it went the way.

where it's like, it was basically like a D&D fight against like a doppelganger. You know what I mean? It was like, ah, we're going to calcify the darkness in your soul and turn it into a monster with 15 hit points. And then you beat the monster of 15 hit points and you win. And there's like something thematic going on that it was supposed to be drawn from you. But like you still beat it to death with your hands. But that's not how she talks about it because, you know, Yodas says, like, I thought I was

clear of this. And she says, the beast is you and you are the beast. to deny it is to simply give it power but he just denied it he just killed it that's not that's denial She also say Conquered your hubris now

And then she introduces the next quest Which is face the temptations Uh huh Temptation time I I don't understand who that little evil guy was Is it It's the darkness inside of Yoda

It's his Which, again, it's just, it's one of those things. What is the source? It's, it's that Yoda likes power, that you know. Everybody has a dark side. Everybody has a little dark side in them, even Yoda. And yoga thought he was over it, but he wasn't. And it's an embodiment of his desire for power and control, just like everybody else has, whatever, right?

But then it's just like, nah. Yeah, he's just like, nah. So this is the other thing is the trials here don't. what this feels like honestly is like again a script that gets cut down substantially you get the five priestesses like five different aspects of the force etc and here we're like here's your next trial temptations well what he faces first is fears like and it's actually kind of a clever idea because when you hear like the temptation uh thing like the most tempting thing i was like i'm kind of curious i was actually really excited because they're gonna get at like the way

their quest for serenity and peace ends up like being a trap for the Jedi that like I literally was like Surrentity excessive serenity better also be framed as a potential pitfall for them and like they seem to be setting it up but we don't get like whatever that trial looks like

instead we get him coming into the aftermath of Revenge of the Sith or at least a metaphorical aftermath where we see a bunch of dead younglings Are some of them the younglings from the lightsaber training shit? Uh-huh. And he sees... I mean, it's Catoony specifically shows up from that arc. Right.

And he's talking to him during this, right? Yeah. Along with... Mace is dead, and he comes across Asoka for someone we've seen her this season. And I do like here, you know, this is the confrontation that it kind of lingers over. She's like, why did you send me away? I do like the implication here that Yoda, like, this doesn't sit well. with him that actually he feels

he fucked up he knows it yeah like she yes she chose to leave the order but her motivation was correctly reading like the order rejected her they turned on her completely in her hour of need and whatever that like trying to put the toothpaste

back in the tube was the end of the last season where it's like the two strongest warrior god sense is tough battles uh that doesn't wash uh they did that they did fail uh asoka here And I like that he's like, you know, when you sort of strip away the veneer of like peace and calm, there is this like real guilt over Asoka's fate as he understands it. Totally.

I like this, but a lot. I'm pro Asoka tearing into him. I am pro like him. And obviously, it's a stand in for lots of other failures that he's had over the years. This is the most recent big one. And also this is the show that Asoka is in. And so we're going to see her finally pop up once this season, however, briefly. But I don't buy this next vision as the vision of serenity.

Like, this is a one of my favorite types of episodes in just anything. But like the archetypal episode for me is the one in the Batman in the animated series where. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hatter has control. His parents, yeah, uh-huh. Do you remember the name of it? I don't know if it's not mad. I know, I know how he gets out of the thing you're talking about.

It's like drilled into my brain. But when you take these sort of like larger-than-life characters and you put them in an idyllic circumstance, the story that like doesn't get told, the story, a different version of the story, like a life they could never lead, where none of the bad things that have created our dramatic tension and action have ever occurred. So in the Batman the animated series version of it, he awakens one day and realizes that his entire life, since his parents were killed in Crime Alley, has been a bad dream, that they weren't. Kills perchance to dream is the name of that Batman the Amman series episode and yeah and it's so he gets a vision of like what his life could have been like if that tragedy hadn't happened and it seems very idyllic and peaceful and here we get a taste of like what does Yoda want what does what is what is what is what is great regret or what would have been his ideal future for the Johnny Order and I do find it like it's a brief moment but I do find it really poignant that what he sees is effectively like a family reunion like all the gentlemen who have been killed, like, you know, all his friends, his colleagues, the younglings, the people he has sort of seen dying, Asoka is there, and then crucially, you know, is back to the camera as he talks amiably with Anakin and Mace, Duku turns around. And they're all just hanging out of the Jedi Temple, and he is among their number.

And what are they talking about, they're reminiscing about old times and better times? Yeah, and Quigon's back alive and Tipley or Tipal, are the one of them is there also in the background by the way one of the twins who got killed um yeah is that siphodeus that um uh dupe who's talking to or is that quigone no that's quigone okay i couldn't tell because of the haircut well yeah yeah that's quigone and quinlin voss is here obviously yeah just chilling yeah just chilling which is like you know it's hard to get him to come to these things because he's just busy you know he just has a schedule like that all the younglings are here, a little

what's the Wookiee's name? Does everybody remember the Wookie's name? It's like Babu. It's not Babu. It's chumly. It's not chumly. That's the guy from Pond Stars. It's Gungi or Gungi. It's Gugi. I was getting

there. It was getting there. I was getting there. Chumly is very funny, though. And so wait, why do you think this is not serenity what you think this is joy no it's just this is not because it's like it's serenity doesn't come when your every wish is granted right like this is a vision of paradise and like serenity is like paradise maybe a place of serenity but does not require the value from you yeah and so what he gets here is a vision where like you know honestly like for for a jenidymaster it's like the world without pain. Right.

Ficked up. Beres Offi also here. Yeah, Barras Offi here. That was the thing that got me at. So the temptation part of this is that after the Assoca thing, like one of the Jedi twins shows up to be like, come with me to this secret vision. And I was wondering why it wasn't the Berriss's. Luminara.

Padawan. Luminara. Yeah. And the other way around her per master. Kid Visto is there, too. Got it. RIP. Rip. Speaking of that, Allie, there's that moment early on in the first episode here where I want to say it's like, Anagan walking through the halls. Maybe it's Obi-Wan walking through the halls with Luminara and like two other people.

And it was the first time I was like, y'all are all about to die. Like it, for whatever reason, the way they were walking through it is like, like Revenge of the Sith is right here. Like, oh, it's, it's knocking on the door. It's him with Luminar and Ayla Sakura, both of who are about to die. It's great. Seeing her in that scene is such a reminder of, like, you're not fixing your issues. Like, you've really brushed everything past and are just pretending it is what it was

and it's not. Yeah. Uh-huh. The Jedi feel so weak right now. They feel like, like, like, just sheep wandering in a meadow. Like, not understanding or aware that, like, they're being observed and aware that there are, like, sites on them, but just completely powerless and just, and just not proactive. Like, there's nothing really, it's such a passive sort of mood, I think, in the temple itself. But there's, like, this anxiety, it's like this passive anxiety that they just look so vulnerable.

And, yeah, I also kind of had that feeling of revenge of the Seth is... Well, I think it's... About to go down. It's something they're evoking really, really well. Because this arc is going to end at the temple with, like, again, like the tree shedding its leaves. Like, this entire episode of things really leaning into this, we're kind of having a living wake for the Jedi Order. And that Yoda is... Because, like, ultimately, the arch he is on here is, like, yes, part of it is about he is going to learn the secret of...

maintaining your identity after death, but really what he is learning is, like, he is learning how to, like, prepare funeral rights for the order. He is learning how to, like, shepherd the order through its death throes. Like, all of this is about how do Jedi die? And that is the key lesson now that Quigon has returned to teach is the final lesson the Jedi are going to get,

or at least, you know, the handful that are going to survive this calling, it's going to be a lesson in how to pass on and let go. And so, like, as, you know, as kind of shaky as these episodes are in places, I think that sort of elegiac vibe is so well captured here. And it's really rendered well in the scene like this where, again, even in his vision of happiness, you know, it is sort of a Jedi temple in, you know, the golden rays of the late afternoon, you know, even here, the light is fading. Yeah, I definitely felt that way.

We kind of brushed over it. the thing that Asoka says to him in that, um, in that vision is, um, you told me I would finish my training and become a Jedi, but the council expelled me. Why would you do that? Will I still become one with the force when I die? Master, will I still be a Jedi? And like the, this phrasing around like, have you denied me absolution by punishing me for this thing while he's on this quest for like the perfect or the like most efficient afterlife or what? whatever, like, really struck me as something interesting because I, like, I would never expect Asoka to say something like that. But for that to be, like, what Yoda's specific guilt

for her is, like, especially in the context of what he's learning here was like, dang. Yeah, she's literally asking, like, if she will maintain her identity post-death. And he is learning that it is possible but that it's like it is a rare thing and and I mean in in some cases has she already lost her identity because she's lost the because she's left the Jedi order when like being a Jedi is the only thing she's ever known um I wonder how much of it is like Asoka's how much of what's coming through is and Asoka's anxieties versus Yoda's like projections onto her coming out. out um like does he know osoka well enough that that's actually you know right a part of her own

fears or is it just that Yoda's projecting you know something of himself into her well and this is coming out this is a part where like again it just like you know rings a lot of particularly catholic bells for me as well which is sort of the the dread of you know, this is not, it's not quite the equivalent, but, uh, it's like in expelling, uh, Asoka, she can never take Jedi communion effectively. They've denied her communion, but they, like, in some ways have they also damned her, right? Like, I think it's the other thing that's, like, the dread here, especially because the younglings are so centrally featured as well as there's a bit of like, you know, all these, all these souls that we're supposed to save through the teachings

or order who the work is left incomplete. The the rights and rituals have not been fully taught either and in some cases because we denied, denied them. I think that's, to me that is another, like, mood that is running through this

is like, this is also some of Yoda's anxiety not just as like the political leader of the Jedi, but also the spiritual leader. Well, and there's like a friction that's so fascinating for me here, which is that

in the belief as it's laid out here, the way that the Jedi do believe it, like get rid of the part with Quigon telling them that, hey, by the way, you can come back as individuals. Everybody at the end of the day gets turned back into the cosmic force.

Your living force gives way to the cosmic force. You lose your identity. And in that way, there's a flattening. We're all equal in death, right? Whether you're a Sith Lord or a street urchin or the Jedi master, you are going to go back into the living force at the end of it all. But it seems like some souls are maybe a little more valuable than others in their heart of hearts, right?

That, you know, it would not surprise me that Yoda thinks the death of a Jedi is something especially sad compared to the death of a clone, the death of a random person in the world, let alone a death of a droid, which does not. Which, by the way, this cosmology is also why droids don't count as people in the Star Wars universe. This is the backbone of that. When they land on this planet and Yoda turns to R2 and says, you don't see anything, do you? Like, your censors don't see any of this. It's because R2 can't see the force and isn't in the force. Can't see Midichlorians? I shrug.

Even though what do you use to fucking test the blood? I don't know. I'm with you. Make it make sense. Make it make sense. It won't. But I do think that that tension is really interesting. That's sort of like, on one hand, we kind of believe that it's all flat.

At the end of the day, we're all just life force going back up into the cosmic, into the cosmic force. But also, he's worried that Assoca will feel bad that she didn't get to die with a Jedi's force soul and instead had to die just as a regular person, you know? Or he, I think he's projecting that on her to answer her previous. question. My opinion on that is definitely a bit of, I don't like that's how she would ever say it. I think she would mostly say, I can't believe y'all, like, turned on me like that after everything I gave to you, you know, after all that I worked for. It's while just having like no idea where Asoka is actually at right now with, like, seeing her here was so odd because it's, it's not her. It's just like a manifestation of her from Yoda's mind. And we just

just not knowing how is it going what happened the next day after you left where did you go when you left the jet it's so weird sports betting Assoca reading

Draft King's ads It is wild it is wild that you go through this whole season and you have to imagine every episode you're tuning in you're like this is it this is going to be the one where Asoka shows up We're kind of getting up to you know, Asoka. If I'm a, this is really the other half.

If I'm like a Clone Wars fan watching this at the time, and the last big thing that happened at the end of season five was Asoka getting exiled from the Jedi Order, and then you're going to end season six without us ever talking about her again, except for Yoda's funny quest, side quest, that's so I mean again I think that's like

like you've said a consequence of sort of the Disney acquisition and perhaps this maybe the season got cut short who knows like maybe there was a lot more on the table for this season it literally did yeah yeah yeah

the season seven is all stuff that was supposed to be in season six it just didn't get made it just didn't get made and so was the stuff that we're going to read for in between this next thing that we're about to do the son of Dathamir, the

whatever, the crystal crisis on Oudapal, and the book that we're going to read, those are all things literally actively in production, along with the Bad Batch arc, which does end up getting made. So it's not all of season seven, but what the first bad batch, the original Clone Wars arc,

which is how season seven begins, was also supposed to be a season six thing that didn't get made. This is what I was saying before. When they call this the Lost Missions, it's to signal the, None of this, this stuff snuck out the door, you know? Interesting.

Okay, I didn't realize that, I thought they just made a short, like a smaller order for season six. And then I didn't realize that they literally had stuff in production. I mean, this is why when we're going to watch the Crystal Crisis on Uda-Pow, is it just, yeah, this is literally called that Crystal Crisis. It sounds like a JRP. Like, is four full episodes of. the animatic view, the like, I'm just going to link you to it, and you can see what I'm talking about. Oh, right, the T posing.

The T posing. It's 90 minutes with voice acting, already done. So, like, this is what I mean. Like, it is a full act, like, that is ready to go. Oh, the thumbnail. It's so good. We're going to watch 90 minutes. Yeah, it's an hour and 26 minutes of this.

Yeah. So it's like, this is what I mean. They did not. Honestly, you do not sound like you're ready to drink deeply of these animatics. I am ready. I'm ready to go into my mind palace and fight my evil, the evil Natalie inside. This is my, this is my evil. So, yeah.

I love MS-Pate, Obi-Wan. Wait, so how did this come out? They released this. This was released on Star Wars.com. It's not up there anymore, but it's been archived and placed places. Wow. So, yeah, those are the, again, there's three things, it's called the Clone Wars Legacy. The Clone Wars Legacy is a canon, a multimedia project that revolved on unproduced and unfinished episodes of the television series Star Wars, the Clone Wars.

Two arcs were released as a story reels, one of which was then later completed for season seven. That's the bad batch. They actually released the bad batch in this same story reel format and then would go on to actually just complete it and put it into the show itself. because of how they wanted to make the bad batch its own TV show. And then two other arcs were adapted for print, the comic series, Star Wars, Darth Mall, the son of the son of Dathamere, which will read for next time. And then the novel Dark Disciple. And Dark Disciples is the novel that we've been curious about for a long time.

That's the one that is Assange and Quinlan Voss focused. So those are all things that were in process. And now there are other things. There are other things that were, okay. I'm now just going to read. In March 2016, so two years after the Clone Wars ends, Pablo Hidalgo, who is from the Story Group at Lucas Film, rather, stated there were 13 story arcs left after the release of the sixth season.

First draft scripts had been written for season seven and eight prior to the series cancellation. Brent Friedman confirmed via Twitter that each arc was four episodes long. Hidalgo also confirmed that production on season five had 25 episodes, while productions on season six and seven had 24 episodes. was also a bounty hunter arc, a quote from Dave Filoni. The next arc that involved the bounty hunters was really finally bringing the two big bounty hunters, Boba Fett and Cadbane together. So that doesn't get made.

Apparently, it was heavily influenced by the searchers, the John Ford Western classic, the searchers. Oh, they deprived us. So they didn't make that. And that's not made at all. There's one clip from that, it seems. That never got made. Then there was an episode arc called Asoka's Walkabout, which I think does get made and ends up being part of, yes, this ends up being part of season seven. And then there's supposed to be a Kashik arc about the wukies.

And then, oh my God, I'm just going to keep reading these. And who knows? Who knows how many of these are real, real? Dave Filoni, quote, this next one, this is not the wookie. one. This was top gun with clones. It was basically the army clones and the ground forces got in an argument with the pilots when their astrobeks

got an argument. R2 insulted the astromec and it became this thing where Rex ended up having to fly a fighter with R2 as his co-pilot. So that was stolen from us. What the fuck? Rob. The next one says

this storyline, and I'll want you to see if you can fill in the gaps a little bit, really played on the alien abduction vibe. It was almost an X-Files episode of Star Wars, the Clone Wars. It was Pablo Hidalgo describing this arc where a scout ship was trying to assess the strength of the Republic and what Jedi were. Pablo commented that it was a creepy story, and to better align with George's description of the force, the group in question did not have any force immunity in this story. They were going to do it, E. Jean-Vong.

Uh-huh, story. there's going to be a story about what's underneath the Jedi temple the Sith the the the big hot this story would be about what this story would be about what lay beneath the Jedi temple similar to how churches were often built on previous religious centers different force user temples and maybe even a Sith shrine would be beneath there would be a giant skeleton kaiju down there Asoka discovers a threat in the underworld of Khorasan

makes her way back to the Jedi order to warn them that sounds great that sounds mad wow terrible I want her to have to go back to the Jedi and be like I'm the only one who knows sure that's fun sure this next one I think is actually here's the thing return to Moncala

stop it now and then the final one is why I won't say the words of because it's the name of the arc of the final arc of Clone Wars and I already know it so I'm not going to read it because I don't know exactly what happens during it but the final thing listed here does get made if just like once every dozen episodes so they had to go back to moncala to keep that shitty little like prints installed on the throne where like every like we have to go back we have to uh another uh there's a

democratic movement on the planet of moncala a bunch of quarian are advocating for uh elections but it's actually a separatist plot uh-huh I'm trying to see what that one would have been actually about and it doesn't really matter So 52 episodes Would have been 13 arcs Four episodes per arc

52 more episodes And instead they got 12 That's so wild Yeah Wait they got 12 and they were like We need Rush Clemas These are the ones that they had That's the way production works

You know what I move? Like, Allie, if we had to wrap up friends at the table right now, it would be like, sorry Sanfiel, we're not getting back to you. What do we have on hand? It's this, you know? So, you know, again, I don't know. You know what, this goes to tell you, to me, you got to try to make every one of them a banger.

Because you never know the last one's going to be. It's true, damn. Really makes you think. Really makes you think. we should finish talking about these yeah so uh to so after his he rejects oh the tree is there

the tree it's the tree it's the tree from from duku Jedi lost i clocked that too I was like oh I was pretty sure this was the tree when um Anakin fought um Barris Offey near it but now I am certain it's the tree

you know what I mean because it's like this is Yoda imagined hanging When Yoda was imagining, like, paradise, it was, I was near that tree I love and all my favorite people were there. Which, that rules. To me, that's good. They should have put, like, Yoda has attachments. Oh, that would have been really good. He doesn't care about ventrists.

He doesn't go fuck. That's the problem. I thought he's not supposed to have attachments. I didn't know he cared about people. Of course he cares about people. He's a hypocrite. Right. Yeah.

I do love there's that shot in the. this moment where Dooku turns around after Yoda is like, hey, this isn't real. You're not, this isn't real. And Duke turns around, everything goes black and his eyes turn red. And then everybody just like floating away. It's so good. It's so good. That shot rules. It's like Alan Wake cut scene or something. Because the darkness begins to like spin to the vortex, the vortex. But yeah, no, like Yoda has attachments. He's, basically the uh like from the from that really good tweet uh you know i love you you little green bastard jota smelling voodoo ranger all over himself good to drive i am yeah

like that's kind of how he feels about these folks yeah so he rejects the vision uh he's passed the test and he lets his hope be struck down which i think is a better version of what should have happened in that previous fight who's like this isn't real i'm at peace should i go ahead and strike me down, you're not really Duku. Yeah, that's what should have happened with the evil, with evil Yoda. Uh-huh. Whatever.

It is one of this. Yeah. Anyway. Well, speaking of it is what it is. We get a great reveal. Whoa, the priestesses are beings of pure light. That's crazy. Like, they're non-corporial forms because they've been floating this entire episode.

So. It's so wild that Yoda's like, They had feet, though. They did a feat. But he's like, see your feet. face I must. Why? Isn't he always

hanging out with people with masks on? Like this is like a cultural thing. Like what's wrong with you? Does he think

it's going to be somebody? Yes, that's what I think because the whole thing is keeping your identity. So he's like

so who are you? Maybe it's that's true. Maybe he's like I thought it was going to be Yaddle. I thought it was going to be Yaddle.

I don't know why I did but if I felt it in my soul that somehow was going to be Yattle. I don't know. Tall. Yaddle

Long Yaddle God Yaddle Yeah Yeah Yeah I don't care I don't care

Who the Sith Lord is I just want to be taller I'm sick of being a short king Can you imagine if Yoda came back He was tall That would be amazing Hold up I gotta go to Google

I gotta type Tall Guter over Mace Oh my my God, this image. Hold up. I got to put Tall Yoda in the show notes. I need it. Can you imagine if Yoda

Okay, if Yota came back and he looked like this. Yes. It's so funny. I would have immediately killed him. I would have immediately killed him because that Sith, that Sith killed.

Me and my friends would have killed it with hammers. Yeah. Is this better or worse? If I was, if I was Keiadi Mundi, if I was Keiadi Mundi and I thought, hmm, Yoda might be a little Sith-pilled.

Yoda might be a little dark-sighted. I don't know. I don't know. And Yoda came out looking like either one of those two. Just long Yoda or like, you know, large raid fucking Yoda

I would kill him immediately I see that guy dead on sight this one me and my brother working right down

at the 3.22 a.m. to show the house we built in my craft and it's tall Yoda and then short Obi-Bott and Ben Betio I need an AI I have to post all of these. Oh, shit.

Fuck. I need the Yoda Minecraft, Yoda Bail, Obi-1 Minecraft edit, please. I need that. So, what was the point of all this? Not much of one.

Oh, he used to go somewhere else. He's got to go. Moraband time. What do we learn from all this? An address. He's got to go to Moraband. Uh-huh. A.k.a.

There's another name. There's another name for it. That doesn't come up here, but it's still canon. It's Corabon from Cotor. It is. Yeah. Lucas. The same place?

Yeah, in Cotor and Star Wars the Old Republic, Corribon is the home of the ancient Sith. And that is still the case here. Lucas, quote, preferred to change the name to Morabond, a world so ancient. that it could have been known by many different names and different eras. Unlike every other planet. I like how they were just like, what was that place called again?

Moribon? Yeah, you heard about Corroman, but this is Moribon. I like a dirty Yoda looks now. That, Ali, did you know that that's specifically what this is, what's the name of this episode? This is episode Sacrifice. Is that right? Episode 13, yeah. This is on Star Wars.com.

You may recall that they have the episode guides that have like trivia and stuff. Oh, yeah. And it also has a concept art gallery. And I think it's actually this Yoda debuts in the previous episode in Destiny. And it is literally called Dirty Yoda. Oh, no, sorry, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's Yoda be wounded.

What? Yoda be wounded? Where did you get dirty Yoda from? Well, look at him. He do look dirty. He do look dirty. And dirty texture has been applied to the skin, air, and robe. Ew.

Yeah, he's messed up. I don't mind this Yoda, though, as much as I minded the Harnest Yoda. Harnessed Yoda, punished Yoda, not as good. Harness Yoda is burned in my brain. I will forget Dirty Yoda. I will never forget Harness Yoda. His hair is so dirty Yoda. Dirty B Yoda.

Big names and bringing out the brain. The dead voice. Dirty B. Yoda. Dirty Biotta. His hair is all fucked up. He goes to a Sith pyramid or something, right? Yeah. And just imagine the biggest Sip ghost you possibly can.

You ever see it over again? Yeah. Uh-huh. So, Darth. Oh, boy. You're skipping. Wait, first of all. The first words of this, of the first introduction.

is we are the Sith. That is the first thing they say. Like Yoda walks up and this fool's like Hey, we are the Sith and Yota's like, okay. Like it's just information is just being offered

constantly. These are dense episodes. There's a lot happening. So when you see the Sith centipede creature that says we are the Sith, you're like, all right, I guess I'm just, that's the Sith, I guess. And Yoda's like, afraid of you, I am not. And the Sith creature is like, we'll see.

Like, it's like some like little, like little funny, silly game that they're going to play. And there's a bunch of other Sith ghosts. There's just a bunch of ghosts. Like that's really, this is ghost planet. And then yes, Rob, he meets the big one. Darth Bain. Darth Bain. We run out of good Darth Bames, regrettably.

This is an important Darth. What he says here is true, even if it's not really Darth Bain. He invents Multi-level marketing Basically He invents pyramid schemes He invents the rule of two Yeah

Yeah He's like oh do you know who voices him Do you know who this is? No This is Mark Hamill Wow What? Yeah

Which I think that's fun That's fun stunt casting a little bit If you listen for it you're like Oh yeah that's Mark Hamill But if you didn't know you wouldn't know You know So yeah You see Darth Bain

Darth Bain explains I invented the rule of two Because We skipped We skipped a lot here We should slow down Because he gets Darth Bain After he meets some other people

And also after All the ghosts Yeah I mean But that's just They all just try to beat him up And he's like I'm good And this is where they say

Like only nothing This awaits you There's no such thing As life after death Whatever right Oh yeah This is when all the snakes become a ghost

Yeah The snakes then become a bunch of different ghosts. And then they meet them. Yes. And again, this anti-Catholic messaging, there is no life after death. All right, calm down. Like, I get it. But again, it's weird because like the Jedi don't believe in life after death either.

You just, Yoda just found out about it. If you have faith, what need you have works? Exactly. And also, yes, I think the, I am trying to speed through it a little bit so we hit our hard outs. but yeah i got you i will say like so the one note that we get here also is duke who detects that something is also the palpatine they agree to have a meeting so they can get ahead of this uh but yeah so the you know yoda has the conversation with the the shade of of dark bain uh and that sort of unlocks the door to like the you know the final trial as it were

it's because he says it he really he's like well you're not a ghost you're not really dark Bain, you're an illusion. Because, which clear something up for me, which is in the current canon, Sith cannot be ghosts. This cannot actually be Darth Bain because they don't know the technique. Right? Only, I mean, like, I guess us Sith could have gone and learned this and gone through this process, but this is just a projection from...

But there's no other way of, like... You know, I don't know, Talsam seems like she keeps dying and be coming back, so I don't know. I know, like so many other people have their own relationship. relationships to the force, their own... I agree. And in the old canon, in legends, their Sith ghosts fucking everywhere. Because they're not starting at the basic

idea that like, only Kwaigon, Yoda and Obi-Wan know how to do this shit. They start from the basics of like, oh yeah, when you strike down a prepared force user, they can convert their energy into a force spirit that will continue to live on. Exarchun installs himself on a flopping.

Yeah, exactly. Yes. It's a classic Sith Lord thing to do to haunt some motherfuckers. You know what I? If you go play Star Wars the Old Republic as a Sith character, you talk to ghosts all the time. Like all the time, you're talking to

ghosts in that fucking game. I kind of prefer that. Ghosts are cool. Ghosts, in real life, what fuels ghosts? In real life. Feeling. Like anger.

Revenge. Revenge. Old feelings that are not. That's shit. That's shit. Is it pettiness? I like that. I do like that. Ghost are petty as hell. Are you kidding?

Is Swayze's ghost a secret Star Wars movie? It might be. His mentor in that movie is like, you got to really get your hate on to manifest the physical realm. And so he does. But, you know, that's an intention with his love for Demi Moore. Wow. So that's a ghost. They don't make them like they used to.

They don't. Anyway. This guy. What ends up happening here? He's led by the five slash. one forced priestess into deeper into the tomb. Yeah. Meanwhile, Palpatine

and Duku are doing blood sacrifice and talking in a language we've never heard before. There should be more blood rituals in Star Wars. I have never been more astonished than when Palpatine's like, I just need a small drop and he only takes a small drop. I was fully expecting it to be a just like a rip

and just like his whole arm. It's just like gushed. I was ready to be like, oh damn, did I never notice that Duku only had one hand at the end of Remed to the SIF Oh, that would be so good. This is why you had to take that dive. Yeah, uh-huh.

It was a very humble, very modest blood sacrifice, I haven't said. And then they electrify the water. They electrify the water. That's fun. I don't know about the chanting. Save the chanting, maybe. I didn't really fuck with that.

There's a new language that they've invented for this called balk speech or balk speech, B.L. see speech is what it says in the script and it's written out as a Kintik Hazuska Suda. I'm not going to read the rest of this. It's a whole bunch of

Balch speech, I guess. There's one of the production note here worth saying is anybody noticed that anything was off about Duku in this episode? He has a fly fit. He looks so good. Can you describe the fit? Look, because he has like, he has

this sort of like black buttoned out where it's like an off-brown with the gold buttons. And then he has like these big shoulder pads that are like engraved in. He does. He looks great. That is. Duku's sparring uniform debuts in this episode, the final episode of the series. And not only afforded the Sith Lord of New Look, but also helped aid the show's budget. With costly simulations throughout this episode, the smoky Sith apparitions, Bain's fiery form, and the cloaks of Yoda, Sidious, and the priestesses, Duku's cloak would have nudged the episode beyond its restrictions. So it was too expensive to simulate his cloak.

It was cheaper to give him a new fit without a cloak. Cloak animation, I mean, you've got to be waving that shit around all the time. It makes sense. They dropped his cloak so Yoda could just no-sell Darth Bain. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, and he does. He does totally no-sell him. He's like, you're not real.

Seen is like, he's like, you're a vision. You're learning about death. Like, come on. Give me a little bit. Meet me halfway. See, this is where it does really begin to feel like, uh, like a Christian cartoon in some ways, because it's like they can never commit to the bad guys being actually seductive. So you always have like these complete non-conflicts where it's like, join me and gain power.

No, I love Jesus. Damn you. Jesus has done it again and that's basically what happens here so Yoda they're like we don't know what your final trial is going to be Yoda goes down the stairs and

Duku and Palpatine are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here in terms of little snares they've set for Yoda because they put Cifo Dias down there who's like oh I have a secret I know who the Sith Lord is but you've got to free me let me out of here

Yoda. Like, he's so clearly a dark side of Sipho Diaz. His eyes are fucked. Yeah, his eyes are red and gold, like the way Yanikins is wet. It's shit. Yeah. It sits shit. But it does set up one of my favorite cuts in this entire series, which is Yoda rejects the temptation.

And Cepa is like, well, we'll see. You know, when Yoda says, I have no need of, there's nothing to sit. can teach me and Civa says we'll see and then we get a cut to Yoda like waking up a board or at least coming to a board a troop carrier uh with the five the the 500 first and Anakin heading in for a mission and gone off that loud and well the yon yeah I just love that we stay in his camera angle for the entire time so we see the clones Anakin everyone everyone towering over him as he goes on

you know here's the mission they're on we found them like you know Dukhu and his and his master are meeting here somewhere on Khorasan we got the alert and here's our chance we're going to go get him and so like what Yoda is

actually the actual temptation he's getting here is here's your chance to end this thing like once and for all you know through clone wars shed go do a fight in croissant that has never looked more like an ancient Sith world because it's all like in the red

and it is the industrial sector yeah I think it looks sick all this stuff is gorgeous it does look sick and also like again big questions of like so does the industrial sector actually look like this Yoda like is there a big fucked up or are you just in like nightmare vision mode right now I bet there is I would imagine feel like we've been to an industrial sector on Khorazop before, and it was, it wasn't this

bad, but it wasn't, it's pretty into not, like, fucked up. I mean, nothing about this was particularly fantastical outside of, like, the lighting, so it doesn't read. I mean, I don't think they're playing it, like, it's, it's being played more like the realistic bits of inception than it is, like. Right. Once they go out, though, the second time, and they're on that bridge where it's all super saturated red. Yeah. I feel like that's, like, The, like, it's still supposed to be Choracot, but it feels, you know, it's just super saturated with red. You know, the sky looks like blood, you know, but all the indoor stuff in the, yeah, go ahead. Execute them, we must.

He does say that on the way in. Well, and. I love bloodthirsty Yoda. I just, I think he got a little, I think a little bit of that evil. Got in a little evil got in them. Of course that, like, of course he's giving into that here, because this was the actual temptation. the Jedi I've been fighting all along. The temptation that has snared them was the clone army.

It was like the sword to hand when they needed it most. And so here, like once again, he's given, like, he doesn't damn himself three times. He does damn himself twice, right? The first is when he takes the clone army. And here again, what is his vision? When he is, without context, put aboard a troop carrier to go, like, kill the Sith with the clone and mannequin, he doesn't question it. he's like... Except he does try to convince Skywalker

or Anakin not to kill Duku. And I think that like I love that moment because Anakin gets the like scissor cut on Duku's head to say way he will intervention the Sith. And Yoda's like, Anakin, no. And I love him seeing the decontextualized vision of the future. Like I, I, one of my favorite things that can happen in like a prophecy or a vision in a story

is when you get all the details right, but like the situation is just awesome. You get all like the nouns and verbs right, but like it's in a different place or at a different time or something slightly off. I love that version of it. And this is just like, yeah, that's exactly what's going to happen. Like, beat for beat, that's about to happen. But it doesn't happen here.

And so it's not enough for Anakin to know that it's, or for, for you to know that it's really going to happen exactly in that way. And I like it as a way of like, oh, that's what regrounds him. Seeing Anakin do it, regrounds him to being like, no, I don't have to choose between killing Sidious and saving Anakin. I can try to do both which would be cool if he did that in real life also if he just tried to save Anakin

instead of I don't know I mean I will also say his reaction is like I shouldn't have done that but like can live with it

yeah also I do get I do get how you get here from a structural thing which is like what if we ended the series on a Yoda Sidious

Anakin lightsaber fight what if we had a big confrontation and it's not real but it's but it is real Because the stakes are if he falls and die

If he dies in the spirit world He dies in real life or whatever I get how you get there Even though it's not I don't care Do you know what I mean? Yeah I was thinking of this at the time Like especially when they get towards like the end of the duel

After Anakin sort of quote unquote saved And then they're falling in the sky together Like they're not Batman and the Joker I know Like there's nothing between this dynamic that I actually care about They have not been dueling for century Or for a decade They don't have that relationship

That they need for that to pay It's just two old men falling What kind of clawing at each other You know? If it was Duku and Yoda This would have been so much Stronger of a moment If it was like

Okay like you went from Paduan to And master to now Like mortal enemies where you just Like fundamentally But even that wouldn't hit as much as it should Because the show hasn't invested in character In rival relationships

Outside of like You know who would have hit for would have been like Obi-Wan and Ventress you know what I mean like yeah who else like truly who are the big rivals

yeah grievous and Obi-Wan I guess sort of Anakin and Duku like we've had a couple encounters but we are not going to get the payoff like this show didn't do rivalries enough it didn't do the build that I want you know what I mean like

Mace versus plate glass Mace versus is Boba Fett as a child. That was the truest rivalry we ever got. That was the strongest one. It's true. But the thing is, like, Yoda just never, the Jedi were on their back foot. They're played so, they play so badly that they never know they're in a fight with Sidious.

They don't know Cidius's name. They don't know who, they think Duke was the Sith Lord at the beginning of this arc. So like, it's not like they've been playing chess, you know, Allie, to your point of like, but it's not Batman and the Joker. Like, they have not been up against each other like that. And so how much is to feel some sort of way. Doesn't he? Oh, maybe he does.

Maybe he hears it here somewhere. He gets in the first vision. So he's saying it by the end here, but he hears the name Sidious on Degovah. Right. On Degov, he sees like the growing Sidious vision. Yeah, the giant. Who hopefully says Sidious. Like a Pokemon.

Yeah. Cidius. Citius. I'm sorry, but Yoda should fucking know it's sheave. I mean, come on. He's using the force to cloud himself. And also, he's literally not seeing him. You know, it's super checked out in those meetings.

Like, if he couldn't focus on Chiadi Mundi, I can only imagine how, like, disdainfully is of the Palpatine meetings. Yeah, for sure. It's true. Yeah, I mean, the fight's kind of cool. It's well animated. I kind of love the dream duel thing. But, yes, the stakes aren't, these stakes aren't quite there. But at this point is very clear we're in a dream.

I think this whole vision is most excited. at its outset where it's like it really isn't clear for a second because when they raid like where the Sith lords are hiding it is where we last saw them where they're sort of casting their incantation so like there's a brief moment where you believe that like right maybe they are could it be real conducting his raid but yeah so he um they they sort of plummet to their to their deaths he he awakens and uh can i just point out something that That Sidious said, he says specifically if kill, let Anakin go, let Anakin die and you will stop all that I do. Obviously he's lying. He's being a liar. But I love that Yoda is like, no, the future is not yours yet. When the future is going to be exactly sheaves, I mean, I guess it's never totally his because eventually he will be destroyed. But like, Yoda's going to hand basically the ball

to achieve for like the next several decades until Luke grows up and grows up enough to defeat him and then Yoda's like I will like I will do the sacrifice in order to like make this work and he just like tanks a shock for a while until he can like safely put Anakin back Yeah Again, like

I wish we'd seen that Yoda earlier in life Yeah Yoda hasn't been this Or like it doesn't We haven't seen you I wish Anakin could have seen Yoda sacrifice

Yes Yes If this really happened They would have been all different You know So much would So much would have changed They would have been friends

You know Yoda should have told him about this Been like yo Okay so like I Can't tell anyone else But in my dream I chose to sacrifice myself for you

because it's not going to go to Cidius yet like we got... Well, like, you know, the thing that's happening is like, you either kill me or save Anakin and Yoda's like, there's a third option. I could kill us both and save Anakin. And that, and like, you know, I get it. Also, there's another Skywalker and I need to keep Anakin on.

What? Do you think Yoda like told Aniken after this, like, why don't you take a couple weeks off? Have you spent much time with Padmae, have you? Once a last time you went to a boo? Take a long weekend.

Hit the villa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll see I put a little something extra in your account. Give you a little per diem, you know? Put you on a diplomatic mission with the senator. How else would you get another? I know, I don't know. I don't know.

I hate it. Yeah, I don't, I mean. Who is it actually says this? Is it quite? Who says it to him that there's another skywalk? He sees the serenity ghost again. He's like, you're going to, you're going to maintain consciousness after death. You're going to reach enlightenment.

You did it. And then it goes to the like white screen of like him hearing that there's another one. Babies being born and yeah. It was, it was the sound of a baby. and the Darth Vader like... So again, I think you can read this and say it's not that he lets

it's not that he lets Cidius have the ball it's that the Titanic already hit the iceberg it hit the iceberg, it's done, it's sinking it's too late to avoid it the holes are they're filling up with water it's time to think about what comes next and he is focused on what comes next

Because when he does go back to talk to Mace and them, you know, Mace is like, did you figure out how we could win this war? And Yoda getting all philosophical on them is like, I'm not sure anybody ever wins a war. And then explains that there is hope in a general sense, right? Like there's hope afterwards. We'll have victory, not of the Clone Wars, but for all time. Victory for all time? What are you talking about? We're going to bring balance to the force for all time.

It's fine. But Kylo's going to come through. Yeah, that's a frog of all time. Palpatine never fucking left. Palpatine's going to have a granddaughter. Palpatine's going to have a fucking granddaughter that he tries it. I want you to imagine Dave Filoni hearing about that news for the first time that Palpatine has a granddaughter.

Oh, sure. Do you imagine being Dave being called into an office or like, hey, we're going to send over the script. uh for the third sequel movie just there's some things in there i thought you might be interested in and you like turn the page and it's you learn that ray is palpatine's granddaughter i i hope he hated i hope he suffered i hope he asked for a raise and took a vacation immediately me too he deserves like like a sabbatical even just like just to forge his own i mean that's probably what happened he took a sabbatical and then they get the screening done and then mando appeared they attend the party for like

15 minutes and he and Favre are like we need to go chat about this right yeah um that's kind of it huh well yeah like yeah he's he's taking he's looking over the the Jedi temple like looking at the tree again taking it all in like one last time i think the thing that like it's a little frustrating because it's like again the layer at which this works is yes he's like had the spiritual journey he's realizing that like it's kind of written that like all these folks are going to die the order as it's constituted is going to be destroyed

but there is a part of me it's like bro it hasn't happened yet like you're the heart of the Jedi Council this is the one thing the like the reason like I have trouble accepting Yoda

as like a hero in these stories is you can look after the affairs of the soul or you can look after the affairs of the body politic but he picks and chooses as and when he will

which of those he chooses to care about And so when Quigan comes along with his vision of like, I need to speak to you of your soul and mine, end of the Jedi, he's like, all right, then I'm totally bought in going to, you know, like this is, this is now what I'm, what I care about. And all y'all who I was with like three days ago talking about like how we like deal with this clone army crisis and like where things stand in the war, unbeknownst to you, I'm already preparing for us to eat it. yeah I'm with you it's so frustrating my big final note here was just like I really I kind of liked these episodes

but I cannot imagine a cornyer ending for Clone Wars than this than there will be another and then the sort of like I mean I don't know I kind of like the shrug I kind of like that characterization

of Yoda at the very end that's in line with how Yoda's been in Clone Wars but I don't know but it's just like I mean first why go through all of these visions and like see these

different versions of failures that you've made in a specific person and then be like aha another one in 40 years there's going to be a special boy and we're going to achieve victory is like you really think that's that much of a layup that like you're not going to make other

contingencies here and then like it's just like there's something about like conspiracy theories where it's like the amount of of buy-in that you would have to have from the amount of people to, like, have this go the way

that you're saying it is, is one thing. And, like, for me to believe that Yoda is, like, just looking around at all these people that he knows, and it's just like, well, I've got mine. Right. I figured out what it's going to happen to me. I mean, Rob, was it you, Robb who were, like, who was who mentioned, like, oh. Oh, yeah, the big spoiler tags in the, right here above Toll Yoda. I mean, go ahead, Rob, you read that. That is not even what I was thinking of.

Rob, you should read your spoiler text. Oh, the spoiler text I set a few days ago. Yes, this is really good. All right. So poor Kiadi Mundi has his eye fixed firmly on the ball that the Jedi have walked into the biggest trap in history. And also, they may be dealing with an unknown Sith Lord. And Yon is totally checked out on the meeting and fakes his way through it because Quigon gave him an ill-timed phone call.

and then he goes on his whole spirit journey basically sees the order as cooked and is like, nah guys, nothing much happened to me don't worry about anything I saw it'll be fine and then he's spending what all of Revenge of the Sith quietly planning for his exile, dog shit co-worker, worst boss. Yeah, I thought it was you or somebody else maybe

who said like, is this next arc going to be that he goes and finds Dagaba, Dagaba and then like, I was like, oh yeah, I've already been to this play that's my secret like escape zone for when shit hits the fan and it totally is that a hundred percent happens and I hate that I just I it's so neat it's so clean it's ah I don't know which is also just like a recurring problem I have with the show is like anytime it tries to clean things up too much and really what it is really what it is if I had to draw if I had to like cut through the Gordian knot of my feelings about this show which is to say quickly you

know over you know I this is an airing I'm airing to do this. I'm definitely catching some, there's definitely some strays in here where I don't agree with what I'm about to say. But overall, in a general sense, anytime the show tries to fill in the gaps and improve on the prequels, banger. Anytime it tries to touch the original trilogy, get out of here. Yeah. I don't want you to touch it. Keep looking backwards. Keep working on the shit that you're good at working on. But every time you try to touch a more foundational thing, like what's going to happened in the original trilogy, whether that is Tarkin likes

the prison design of the prison he was kept in, and so he's going to model the Death Star interiors after it, or the true nature of the force is actually that there's a planet where there's a family on it, and the sun is a little dark-sided, shut the fuck up. All of that stuff

is corny. Why Leia dresses the way she dresses and has... That's open wand, but yes, that's the same thing. It's same fucking concrete. Same thing. Same fucking... supervising direction It speaks to a difference between the original trilogy and the prequels

And I don't have in me the need To make everything in the prequels Line up perfectly with everything in the original trilogy The way I do have it in me To enjoy when gaps in the prequels Get filled in by the Clone Wars Which I think is often really cool Especially for things like

Who the clones are Which again should have been in the final episode of Clone Wars And it's like the there's there's an element two of like again I like we know these people are out there but people like people like the Jedi they like the Jedi order but it is okay to sort of like have your heroes fail and like have tragic flaws that cause things to not work out but when they do stuff like this it's kind of like trying to retcon it where it's like all is as they foresaw and it's like no they didn't like Revenge of the Sith

is very like in in its isolated context revenge of the Sith is very clean they get blindsided like they you know Yoda too like this that doesn't fully line up here is this doesn't totally square with Yoda in Revenge of the Sith also being almost flat-footed by what transpires with order 66 you know I guess he hasn't seen it literally in this in this vision but overall like the the thing they keep doing here is that and they're doing this a bit like in the, this relates to so many issues with, with the Obi-Wan series as well is like just trying to say that this group of characters from the Clone Wars laid the path that all the characters would care about from the original trilogy

ended up walking. And it's like, one, that's just kind of shitty storytelling. It's just like, no, they had their own trials and they lost due to their tragic flaws. But two, the original trilogy is about people muddling through like explicitly like it is Luke trying to come to terms with his powers and acting on his instincts and his incomplete visions and like stumbling towards some sort of resolution about his identity as a Jedi and his relationship with Ben and with Vader um you know the thing that in a weird way the thing they haven't been able to touch the thing they haven't been able to ruin is Hans because he's not Jedi, like, related at all.

And so, like, so much that happens in the original trilogy, he's the one thing that Force doesn't see coming, right? Which is, like, space cowboy. I'm shocked we never got a young Boba Fett, young Han Solo episode of Clone Wars. I should just shut the fuck up before they make it. Bad Batch isn't over. Yeah, I don't say Bad Batch ain't over, right?

So, I think that's it. Next, so I guess we have a choice to make. The order of these legacy materials, it's this Darth and Wall comic book, which is four issues, I read it in like 25 minutes. It's nothing. Like, I'm not going to summarize it in like five sentences, but I could. You know, like, it's that nothing. I mean, it's nothing, but we can't skip it because there's like, it follows on from the

end of that arc. explains what happens to Darth Mall right after that. And by page two or three, Mother Talzin is named. So we're going to get some wrap up on some of those storylines. But it's nothing. We could not do a full episode on it. I mean, we could do a full episode on anything. We could do anything we want. But I suspect we are going to want to combine that with another one of these things. And the way it releases the order is that releases first, then the crystal Crisis on Utapau story reel, which is gorgeous. It's my beautiful baby. But I think is a filler arc in the, not in the literal sense of filler in the traditional sense. It's an arc that isn't

connected to like a bigger picture plot. So I think it'll probably be, I think it'll probably be light. I don't know. I have no idea what to expect from the crystal crisis on Utapal. And then we have the book. I think the book is definitely standalone. As long as we went on Duku Jedi lost, or I bet we're going to go along on this Asadventures book. So my guess is we should do Crystal Crisis on Udipau, which is just on YouTube if you search for Crystal Crisis on Udipau, Uta-Pau, U-T-A-U-T-A-U-A-U. And then there's also on the Clone Wars Blu-Ray for the Lost Missions. And I guess we should do that with this comic, with this son of Dathamere comic, is my suggestion. Unless we really want like a 30 or 40 minute episode next time, which I'm fine

with, but I feel like the people have demands. I mean, I think we could, I think we could say, I think it would be interesting to talk through any like pretental through lines or I don't know, just I think it's maybe worth doing a bit of a bundle. Okay, so let's bundle it. Let's do, let's do the comic. Again, Darth Mall, son of Dathamere, which is a choice of her name based on some stuff that happens in that book. And then Crystal Crisis on Uda Pau

as our next one. And we should probably start reading Dark Disciple also because it's a book, it's longer, right? It's a bookbook, not a radio play. I believe that that's true. I bet that there is an audiobook version, obviously. But it probably won't be as, like, tricked out as,

because that was an actual, like, radio drama. it wasn't all it was yeah that had like multiple voice act oh you know I guess yeah this is one narrator yes so much much different you know I hope this book is secretly good I really do I'm I'm holding out I think I could find some they eat or if it's not very good I hope it's at least smutty right that's what I said good all right together venture and Voss are the best hope for eliminating Duku, as long as the emerging feelings between them don't compromise their mission. Oh, man, I would hate it if their feelings emerged and compromised their mission.

Maybe a few times. Yeah, so we will be back in a couple weeks to read, like, Darth Mal Son of Dathemaire, watch Crystal Crisis on Utapal. and in the backdrop of all this we are reading Dark Disciple Correct You got it

Okay So stick around for that And then at the end of this month We will do a Q&A on this final arc And all of what I just mentioned But Dark Disciple wait till next month But if you want to

We should during that Q&A We should watch This 16 minute long Declassified feature That's like the fair world to the Clone Wars that's very fun and and I haven't

I watched like the first few minutes of it like a year and a half ago and I was like we should watch us together this is like this is like the farewell to the Clone Wars that that team put out then so we should we should watch that I'm so down to look forward to that and to all our animators in Singapore

we loved you guys too goodbye thank you no severance will be offered Yeah, I'm so curious how they talk about that. Ooh, yeah. Anyway, if you like to hear that or just want to support the show, you can do so at patreon.com slash civilized. And until next time, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice.

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