A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 59: Son of Dathomir and Crystal Crisis on Utapau

Episode Date: March 28, 2023

Before we complete our journey out of the Clone Wars and into Rebels, we have a few final stops to make. First, we find out what ever happened to Darth Maul after the events of the Shadow Collective Arc. Then we get an absolute banger in the unfinished story reel version of The Crystal Crisis of Utapau, an arc too good to have been left in this state indefinitely.  Just one more stop to go before we get to Rebels. Right? That's right, right? There's definitely no big, stupid curveball on its way to derail us from our goal? There's no way that we'll stumble into something else we just "absolutely" need to see before we get to Rebels, that is at deep odds with how we've gone about this project so far, right? We'd never do that. Never. Next Time: Star Wars: Dark Disciple Show Notes Star Wars: The Clone Wars Legacy Ahsoka's Decision - Deleted Clone Wars Scene Remake [4K]  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakeney, joined by Ali Akampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. So we are continuing our journey through the afterlife of season six of the Clone Wars and other odds and ends of Clone Wars continuity, supported, as always, by our list. listeners at patreon.com slash civilized. And speaking of odds and ends, there's nothing odder and endier than the ultimate fate of Darth Maul following the spectacular implosion of his scheme at Mandelor with the arrival of Sidious, who comes and beats the shit out of him, kills Savaja Press.

And then I believe that episode ended with him. promising Darth Mall that while he would not be the apprentice again, there would still be uses found for him. Yeah. An idea they seem to have to drop like a bad habit. Like I don't, that's just not in here. Maybe he just didn't get a chance to. But now it's inside of death.

This is the end of Mall as we know it, like in the world, in life. Maybe until, I don't know what comes between this and solo. But, so we're going to. be looking at. But also, wait, Solo would be after this, right? Why is Solo relevant? I'm like, you. I can't do this again.

I can't do this every time. It's okay. We'll do a Solo Pond, and it'll be as good as the Obi-Wi-Wiland. Anyway. Real quick, real quick, you take Han Solo's name out your mouth. I don't think Solo's a good movie, but it ain't as bad as Obi-W-W-W-W. I would watch a, I watch, uh, solo, like, many times.

Many times. Really? Before I rewatch it, we want. Woody Herald's in it being a little scumbat. Okay. It's not good. There's, okay. Overall.

It has its problems. We're going to shit on it when we get to it. When are we going to get? What, like, where is that? After Rogue 1 or somewhere? I guess it would be after. No, it'll be before. Well, I guess it's really sort of versus chronological.

I don't know. Oh, boy. Uh-huh. it would be after I don't know when we're doing movies that's the problem right yeah that is the problem because it takes place

it takes it's a prequel look it's after rogue one no it's not no no it's not because it's my young Han Solo it's pre-Rebels we're not doing solo before we get to I'm not doing this I mean it might be good just to get it out of the way

I don't know It could be just good to just get it out of the way And so I can just be like relieved of not having seen it Solo. Solo doesn't come out until 2018. It takes place 13 to 10 BBY. Okay. Which is before basically anything else, yeah. Wait, is it before the Clone Wars?

No. Oh, okay. The Empire is, yeah. Andor is 5 B.B.1. So we could watch it Before and or season Wait I love that idea

Did you also say we'd watch before Rebels? No I said we could It does take place before But we shouldn't do that to ourselves It takes place before Look at poor Natalie Look how confused Natalie is

Right now Why is it relevant Now you're making me think I'm thinking things I mean I guess it could be relevant To Rebels in some senses in the sense that it's about a crew doing a job and Rebels is about a particular...

You know what I mean? It's part of the same timeline. It would set up some of what the imperial era is like. We've been doing so much heist stuff of late. It's true. What's a couple more heists? What's a couple more heists? I can't believe this is fucking happening.

I really think we should watch it. It's a movie. It's a movie. It's a movie. And I think it will be a good... Palate cleanser. Yeah, just like... Just, you know, sometimes you need...

We got to go from Obi-Won. to son of Daphimir to solo really just get in between you still need to do this book that we're doing right yeah yeah yeah that takes place and also that that that comes out as part of this sequence that's part of this clover's do you want to hear them explain what the lost legacy is who's them sure you know them they they lonian the crew yeah yeah oh boy are we going we could we we barely we Barely did an intro and we're in a Faloni zone. This is going to be a magical episode. I mean, it is going to be a magical episode.

I, I, I, I, I, yeah, we, buckle the fuck up. We are, we are really in control of ourselves. We are even talking about anything except for Crystal Crisis on Utapal right now. When we get there, you will understand, you will understand. You will understand why it is bolded, all caps, Sparkle effect Extra large font

Extra large font Being added to the The official AMCA list We didn't ask if the Yoda arc Is the Yoda Ark is on the skip list? Is the Yoda Ark on the Skiplist? Yes, everyone else should have to suffer and see that I will not suffer alone

Okay Here we have, Stormers.com, originals This is a video entitled The Clone Wars Legacy Which by the way, this exact URL, which was Star Wars.com, I guess maybe it's not this exact, it was, video slash the Clone Wars legacy with hyphens, used to be where you could go watch the legacy material, which was Crystal Crisis on Utapal and the bad batch. The bad batch has become an arc in season seven, and Crystal Crisis of Utapal has been wiped from the internet, except for it's on YouTube, so I want to re-uploaded it. It exists on like Blu-rays for season six, but it is not, it used to just be on this website, and it's not here.

anymore. So I can't imagine watching this on the web like in like with Star Wars official like yeah. Yeah. All right. I'm going to three to one count us in.

I'm going to hit play. Because last time I did this I did not count us in and I had to be like, how does this line up? So all right. Three, two, one, go. Floody zone. Woo!

After six ground breaking seasons, the Clone Wars telephemy. series has come to an end, but more stories remain untold. Boy, do they. The importance of Clone Wars that cannot be understood. This is Pablo Codalco. It was the last huge expansion of the Star Wars universe that came directly from George Lucas. We were able to take it in directions that had never been done before.

You really got to see a lot of the things that they hinted at in the prequel movies but didn't really get to explore. Because it came from George, it's so tapped into the history of cinema and the stuff that inspired him. He got more and more interested in pushing the limits of that. That's a formal hat he's wearing. This is a day my show was just canceled. Good morning. Giant Godzilla-sized creature. Silver beast.

Okay, great. You guys do a zombie film. Can you guys do a Hitchcock's out film? Can you do seven samurai in 22 minutes? Oh, they did seven samurai. I'm comfortable telling a story about Yoda exploring the really trippy sides of the force is if that got the blessing from George. In the same way, this new material that we're developing with Clone Wars

makes some profound statements about characters like Darth Mall and Ventress. The stories were there. They were written. Some of them were completely designed by Killian's design team. Some of them were shot. So fucked off. They just weren't animated and lit. Even though those Clone Wars episodes did not get publicly revealed,

we still look at their core stories as having happened. I wanted to say that too. How could we find a way to put these out? You know, what if we did the Darth Mall story, is a comic. Oh. Oh. He's been crying.

He's been crying? A little bit. How Darth Mall ends up in Clone Wars, to me, is really interesting because we were able to give him that kind of emotional depth that we were never able to see in the movie. My hatred get my spirit intact, even though my body was not. Darth Mall has always been such a great fit for comic books. He's such a physical character, a menacing character, someone that you really want to see in action. It was one of the arcs that I really believed in, and I felt like there was a lot of story there to be able to tell. It wasn't just evil versus evil.

It was like someone that we respected versus some characters that, as bad as they are, we still love watching them in actually kind of scheming and their mechanations against one another. It's not so much as to where he goes next. It's now you finally understand why this all happened. Now you understand that there was a reason for Mal's resurrection. It's a really important part of Darth Mal's story. It's a really important part of Mother Towson's story. We were able to fully flesh out what Mall was, what his motivation was.

It was extremely challenging, but I think overall we were very happy with the way it turned out. Now we're going to the Crystal Crisis of Udipal section. The Udipau arc actually was another one of these interesting arcs. It's a different thing to watch proxy animation, but it really is kind of the closest that you'll be to experiencing what it's like

to be George Lucas and say, watch that see what you think. What you're seeing is a work in progress. And some people quickly get that idea and others, you know, it takes a little bit getting used to. That was actually one of the arcs that we really wanted to capture kind of the spirit of the original trilogy in the prequel era and see Obi-Wan and Anakin working together in a way that, you know, when we do see it, it's always special and it's always fun and really defines what the Clone Wars is about at its core. It's some of the best performance for Matt Lantern and James Arnold Taylor as Obi-Wan and Anakin, that you'd almost, you don't want to lose that by adapting into a format

where you can't hear those performances. I'll contact Asoka. Maybe she can, Spoilers. Aniken. Forget about it. I have a story about this that I need to sell. It was really important that we addressed the Asoka issue and to show that Obi-Wan was there for Anakin when he needed it and that Anakin ultimately opened up to Obi-Wan about, you know, how he really felt in her leaving. Utapau is a fantastic environment that, you know, on the surface, you think it only exists to fit a particular purpose in episode three, but I think George was particularly enamored with

Udipan and its story is not done yet. This is what's great as far as we know. We have a built-in audience that is willing to overlook the unfinishedness of it if it means that this is an opportunity to understand what the story was. And now a little keys for what comes next, Dark Disciple. Ooh! I've always wanted to do a novel starring Ventris. I think she's a fascinating character.

Agreed. Same. It looks like I'm here to rescue you. When did you become the good guy? Don't insult me. We had written several scripts for her story. The next one was one where she was going to cross over with Quinlan Boss. He was really unlike any other Jedi

she's ever encountered before and someone who in a way shares some more qualities with her than with his fellow Jedi an author could take some of these ideas that are very complex ideas around ventures and her character and just expand on these ideas in an intricate way that i was never going to have time to do on a tv series it has kind of all these classic elements of star wars they're showing the animatic for the unfinished love venturous boss sadness and she looks so wild we hired Christy Golden to write the novel. Throughout our discussions with Christy about it, she brought a lot of great ideas to the table.

And then we work with Story Group and with Dave, ultimately, to see if those additions make sense. Those stories were some of my favorite stories to be able to tell, and I think that you're going to be able to tell it in a way that you can add all sorts of elements that we weren't able to do in the script.

Just for the pure psychology of that character and the psychology of Quinlan Voss, I think is gonna be super exciting. These three stories offer a really nice variety. I mean, Maul is sort of archivillany and grandiose battle plans in action. The Ventra's boss arc has super intense character interaction between the two of them. And the Udipa story is just old-fashioned Star Wars adventurism. It really is, man.

You're just grateful to a certain point that other people want to tell these stories. You know, you feel honored that other people feel they're worth telling. We're in this point in Star Wars history, which is a great. place to be in but it comes with its own set of challenges where we're on the cusp of telling all these new stories and having them really be integral to the canon as we're going forward we're very careful and the steps we're taking all the anxiety and making sure everything meshes not only from a continuity standpoint but from a sensibility standpoint as well the one thing you need are good stories to tell and thanks to the legacy that george left us we have a many many many

many good stories that hopefully the audience will get to see. And we also, of course, have son of Dathamere on top of the good stories. So yeah, that's how they're framing this, right? I think it's worth saying that. That did not connect in my brain.

I did not realize that these were quite literally the other arcs that were going to be done season six, and they found another way in which to do them. Quite literally that, yeah, exactly. Along with many that they didn't get to make at all. Except Udipau. Except Udipau didn't actually... I mean, I guess it kind of did, but it kind of... This is it. This is the release. Yeah, the other things are like produced final products, whereas Udipal is in this, you know...

But they didn't want to give up the voice acting. I get it. I do. That makes sense. It was worth it to keep that around. Like, very good performances Uda Pau is very good but first we have to talk about son of Dathamere

We do Can't keep a bad Sith down Am I right Does it say that somewhere Right here It's on the cover It's on the cover On the cover of the first one

Uh huh Yeah I kind of felt like he was kept down pretty easily and handily I have to sleep so he was mostly down son of death of here is like Darth Mall has not taken

enough else in his time in Star Wars so we are just going to have him go on like a four game losing streak and write him into a tiny little box and write Mother Towson out completely

because we maybe didn't have a plan for this character the fact that she've pulled up to serve this L to Moll personally? Personal L. From his own hand. The second time. Because he did this already. That's the thing that kills me about this. It's like, why tell this story? It doesn't leave us in a

like, this isn't, I'm, it just happened again. It just happened again. It just happened to again. It's so wild. It just, they just did it again. They were like, that was fun. Should we do it again? And then, And then she was like, yeah, let's do it again. But, like, also, we want him to be in the wilderness. We don't want him to be arrested by Palpatine anymore under Palpatine's Lock and King.

Right. So, just undo that little bit, but otherwise, you know, it reminds me so much of, like, when a wrestling, you know, organization has, like, a fan favorite character, and they're like, people like, woo, we want more Darth Mall, push Mall, like, more Mall stories, let them all get the title shot. And the Federation is like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, we'll let them take the shot. and then just like L, L, L, L, L. Just like stumbles forward to the entire storyline.

Then it gets pinned in the middle of the ring or submits in the middle of the ring so that you know that's it for you and your fave. He's done. He is not getting pushed again. He's not getting another title shot. He's going to go back to working the fucking mid card and like putting over worse people with shitty gimmicks.

That's what happens to Mall here. It's a bummer. So it opens basically where we left things off on Mandelor with Mall under, rest and like being less torture than just like mocked really meanly and

then he makes his escape but it's all a trap right that's the this is the whole thing is it really is just like we are just going to loop this entire thing again

he is he makes an escape can I make you give me the patented just king things five-sentence summary of this story? Because there's not much, and I think you could do it. Sidious lets Maul escape, knowing that Maul will run to Mother Talzin. Sidious has a long-standing rivalry and hatred between him and Mother Talzin and is seeking to destroy her.

Because they work together. Comma, because they work together. Yeah. Once. Mother Talzen. also knows this is a trap, and so arranges with Darth Maul an even bigger trap within a trap for Sidious and his apprentice, Duku, and Duku's general Grievous. And so they fight a large battle between Maul's Mandalorian loyalists and all the separatists we are used to saying.

Maul appears to win for about 30 seconds, but it is revealed that actually there was a third trap within a trap and Maul has walked right into it because he has lured Mother Talzin out into the open where Sidious, aka Palpatine, can finally once and for all destroy her, which he does in front of Maul. That's four.

One more. Yeah, I think... Oh, yeah. One more that you could sneak in here is, at the end, the Jedi remain confused about who the Sith are. I do love. They said that Duku was the Sith Lord and then Grievous is the apprentice. No, Maul. Oh, no, that Mall is the Apprentice.

That mall is back. There's a great little panel where Palpatine is staring out the window, but you catch his reflection. It does look like he's smirking. Yes. They're like, we're pretty confident now that Maul was the Apprentice. us. And he's just like, absolute dumbasses.

You're dumbest shit, boy. My actual favorite part of this comic is that Palpatatatapod hearing that is like, are you sure? I thought it was like, yeah, I think so. And he's like, okay, cool. I just thought I'd double check. I just thought I'd give you a shot to think through.

You want to maybe think this through? No, okay. It's like a classic, like, when a GM in a role-playing game is like, you sure you want to roll that skill? Is that you sure? You sure you want to pick up the cursed key of Avalon? Okay, no, you go ahead. It's like when the party has actually misinterpreted

what is going to be the A plot for this adventure. And they're just like, hey, we're going to run off on this tangent based on this like wild misapprehension. And there's kind of this, oh, what do you think? Sorry, could you just explain me what? What do you think, sorry, what do you think that conversation with NPC was meant to communicate? Okay, that's what you took from it?

Okay. All right. You know, you go, roll into, just roll intelligence for me real quick. Just roll it real quick to see if your character thinks something different than you do. Oh, okay. No, okay, no real. Yeah, you don't have a vibe. Okay.

Hey, does one of you have a lore skill maybe about Sith? Does anyone have like a lore skill? No one has that? No. You just made it illegal in the, right, we made it illegal for you to have that so you don't know anything. That's good. What about history? Just general history.

Someone pointed out, time out. someone pointed out to me today that in Attack of the Clones Duku tells Obi-Wan that the Sith's master name is Sidious. Why is Yoda acting all surprised in the finale of Clone Wars, season six, that my dude's name is Sidious?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is that, like, I would have to go back and, like... Uh-huh. No, you're right. Are we 100% that... A hundred percent. He's just straight up told the name?

He's just, apparently he's just straight up told the name. I Which again Much going on there was A blur Yeah A blur that day was A little overwhelmed I was

Didn't Didn't meditate So Anyway So yeah So Moll is like Permitted to escape And we get the

the other thing is we're also just doing like we're repeating rivalries where it's like you think duku hated mother talzin oh boy just wait until you learn about how much palpatine hates mother talzin uh because they used to like they had a study group where they exchanged dark side uh like methods and beliefs and then he turned against her and took her son darth mall away from her and so that like so now you know there is much as we had that arc where it was like towson and ducu had this like longstanding relationship uh and you know she had furnished him with ventriss and then uh savage the same thing the same relationship now exists with cidius and i think the big thing here and like the part of this that i think is

The cool thing that he's squandered here is that you do see Maul scrabbling at this cage to try and turn his power as the power behind the throne on Mandelor, the like godfather of pretty much all the major underworld organizations, and like the leader of like the, like, the, like, a mercenary army. This is associated with Mandalore as well. He's trying to use all these things to sort of bust him out of this prison he's trapped in and to try and take on the separatists. And so we do get like some cool, we get some like cool battles where it's like, hey, you want to see some Mandalorian armor done up in like Darth Mall colors? And I was like, I kind of dig it. You know, it's a little muchy much.

But it's kind of cool. I have a soft spot in my heart for spawn sometimes when I think about it. And I'll roll with this aesthetic. more compelling and I think this is you know in this in this in this like four issue arc it's all about like the way they're really had they are trying to fit a lot into four issues I get that so I want right and they're all just like kind of stuck on like the usual like Sith nonsense and like wheels within wheels and the more interesting part that they kind of step on is the fact that like there's a bunch of like pretty normal mercenaries and commandos being and like criminal organizations

being pulled into what is like a full scale like war between uh mall and the separatists and also none of them signed up for this shit like and so there's there's a real incomprehension of like why are we being like told to fight to the death uh for a cause we don't understand against a nation state and there's like dark Jedi and Jedi and running around. Right. Because by the end of it, everybody's involved. And if you are just some Pike Syndicate motherfucker, you're like, this ain't for me. This isn't what I signed up for. Like, I was trying to run Spice. You know, like, and I think that that part's interesting. And a version of this I would have been more interested in would have been one where it was mall does the prison

break out and then just has to try to keep control over the shadow collective and has to like bring people to heal and reassert that that's his place in the galaxy. Yeah. Because it kind of still is at the end, sort of, except some of his troops have been killed and others have defected, but he's still rescued by them. I guess he's still Mandalorian. He still has the Dark Blade, right? That's what's called the Dark Blade.

Yeah, Dark Saber. Well, this is, so actually, so the way Mall escapes is Almec sends, like, Mandalorian troopers in to get him, sort of like the Scorzani raid to, like, free Mussolini from his from his prison but like i guess shoutouts to almec like yeah again came through right and he was trying to come through there was always that subtext where like he was trying to come through for sateen like she did not have the stuff and he was like i was just trying to keep a lid on things and like i make a little money from poisoning kids yeah we needed that money setteen we needed that money we needed this black market because your trade policies were a disaster

Like, and, like, you are demolishing your base of support on this planet, and he very much was the type who was like, well, that's skimming a little bit off the top? Yes, because I deserve a bonus for all the good work I do for you. Like, that's, if you

paid me right, then maybe that wouldn't be a problem, but, you know. You can't begrudge people, honest graft. Like, this is, like, politics runs on this. But, yeah, the, so, like, Almec is the one, who like it like sends the troops in to like liberate mall so like almec is not just this like

you know blowing in the wind turncoat uh you know he tends to like back his people not to the hill but like more than you would expect uh and yeah so like the mandoloreans are sent in there and then he is leveraging sorry and there's also a cast that's mixed in there is this a jodo cast connection that they're pulling in i this has to be i this has to be a philony nod to JodoCast that I don't think JodoCast is still canonical, right? What's Jodo?

Yeah, what? What's J-J-J-J-J-O-Cast? So, yeah. J-O-Cast, oh, way, there is a Canon J-O-Cast page, so maybe no, now J-O-Cast, so it's J-O-D-O, space, cast, K-A-S-T. His, his, his, his, uh, canon page is

unidentifiedified bounty hunter. In the Legends canon, there was a bounty hunter who also had Mandalorian body armor, like Boba Fett, named Jodo Cast, who briefly pretended to be Boba Fett to take Boba Fett's jobs and get paid more, but actually was just a phony who wasn't as cool as Boba Fett was. And there's a character in this whose last name is Cast, which to me feels like a shout out to Jodo Cast. a beloved EU character of old. Interesting. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, this is RookCast who is... No, it's not RookCast.

RookCast seems to be a different person. This is... Who is? Who is this? This is some lady who... Maybe it is Rook. Maybe it is Rook cast. Yeah, it is. Okay. Yes.

Sorry, I clicked through and RookCast has a 3D character model, so we must meet RookCast again sometime in the future. I don't know when. Who could say when? Maybe that's a... Season 7th, you know, yeah. But yeah, so like we get this whole, well, you know, he was, he was meant to escape. Sidious is he's going to go running to Mommy, and that is we're finally going to get a chance to destroy her.

And then we cut to, oh, also time out, Mommy is real. Mommy is real. One of the big revelations here is that Talzin is, is Darth Maul's mother. Yes. She is truly literally Mother Talden. Uh-huh. I did not grasp that. I thought we were talking metaphor still.

No, no, no. There is literally a bit where she says, long ago, Cidias came to me on Dathamere. We exchanged secret wisdom, mingled dark side abilities with Knight's sister magics. He promised to make me his right hand, but instead he stole what was my, what was most dear to me, my own flesh and blood, my son. And then Ducca goes, Maul, your son? And she says, yes, count. When Cidius realized Maul's potential, he took him from me and trained him as a Sith. When he was no longer useful, Maul was left to die. Look at him, look at my son and

see your own future. Cidius will betray you as he betrayed us, but I will honor our alliance should you accept it. Okay, but this is the thing that I didn't get about this conversation and why I thought I didn't see the mother thing, because, like, wasn't she just giving kids away the whole time? Like, is it, like, just renting out of... But, like, does this mean Savage is also her son? Are they all her children? All, right, exactly.

Is she being, like... Is she being metaphorical? But I don't think you're allowed to be metaphorical when you say, my own flesh and blood. Yeah, no. That's not a metaphor. At the very least, Mull is her... I mean, it is a metaphor, but... her son.

Right. And is Savage literally Maul's brother? Or is that figurative? No, that's real. Because she, because when Talzin tells him to go find, she says you have a brother. Not, there's a brother out there. There's another knight brother. Like another night brother.

There's, you have a brother. So that's real brother. The whole situation on death here is real weird if we're being honest. I think she's bullshitting. I think she's lying to Duku to be like, yo, join us. And I'm going to try you in five minutes. Sure.

Because that's what happens here. I was just a hardworking single mom on death, Amir. 50 kids that I was selling. So the other part of this, we get the bit where, like, he runs immediately to Mother Talzin. And she's like, they're going to think you're going to run to me. for help. We can't do that. What we got to do is we got to lure them into a trap at a pulse.

It consults the Rolodex of Planet Star Wars his name before. Ord Mantel, the perfect place to lay this trap. And so the plot is to draw in Duku and Grievous into this huge raid on Ord Mantel. where Moll is going to have his entire, like, he's going to have, like, all his forces are raid, right? Including Knight Brothers? Is it like Night Brothers show up for this one? Yeah, Nightbrother's her.

Talism sends him. That's, like, her little surprise gift. She's like, I have something coming for you. It's a bunch of dues without heavy weaponry. Duku, I'm doing something extremely wicked. Yeah. Before, wait, but before that, I couldn't let go of the fact that Maul when he meets up with Almec and Almec gives him the dark saber and is like, I saved this for you.

I took it from the castle and I brought it here for you because it's yours or whatever. And then to rally all of the Mandalians, Maul is like, Maul is like, the war you have waited your entire lives to fight is upon us, my brother's, victory or death. And then everyone starts chanting, picture your death, picture your death. Like, who's waiting for this war? No one's waiting. They're a death cult, dude. This is what they believe.

This is death watch shit. These are dumbasses. But the war, but the war would be to retake Mandelor. This isn't re- This is the thing. They worship war. They worship war. The act of war. The act of war would be sick.

But the act of war is like the thing they do. But I do think, like, I do think Natalie has a point here, though, which is that, like, these guys get so turned around so fast. Like, their entire thing when we meet them is, like, we need to restore the Mandalorian ways and, like, retake our planet. And now he's like, hey, you know what that war you've been wanting? The one when we take on Sith Lords you've never met and their droid army? Not the Jedi? It's here. And everyone's like, I'm just so fucking hype.

Yeah. Okay, but, okay, but, like, okay, but Darth Bull had it, right? Like, he was able to pull everything together and then go to Mandelor and be like, I am the most powerful person in the world. And all the Mandalorians were like, yeah, that's what we do. We go for the strongest person. And then you spend your whole life underneath these, like, these murals of, like, killing Jedi.

And then the coolest guy in the room is like, hey, want to come kill some Jedi with me? I'm chanting. I'm chanting. This is it. I would this is that shit. But they're not going to kill a Jedi. They're going to kill... They're all the same, remember?

Remember when that episode happened? You went out there and talked to the truck driver, and the truck driver was like, I don't know, he had a red lightsaber, weird-looking Jedi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't fucking know the difference, really, you know? That's a good point.

But more importantly, I do think it's like there's, yes, their particular goal is retaking Mandelor, but that's so that they can become the group that goes and kills people again. Like, they want to re-pick man-lars. They just want to go, like, to planets and kill people? Yeah, they're like, they're a warrior cult, right? That's their whole thing.

They want an empire. The thing they hate Satin for is that Satina was like, what if we didn't, what if we weren't, you know, conquistadors? What if we chilled on that and stopped being a conquer, a culture of conquest and colonization? And they were like, no. we want to keep being that. Interesting. Okay, okay, okay, okay, damn.

Yeah. Cetina had it rough, man. I mean, it's, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, basically, yeah. Basically, yeah. And, like, Black Sun is there, and so you've got basically a bunch of gangsters who were sort of there to help defend the planet.

And then who is it who basically stashes their navy in hiding, waiting for the separatists to draw. Is that a Mandalorian fleet? I think that's the Mandalorian fleet, which, again, is the Mandalorian fleet now because Death Watch did take over the planet. Almec is still in charge, right? Right, right, right.

Yeah, Mandelor is currently theirs. Yeah. It's fun seeing Almec in armor, I think. When he showed up in his darn small fit, I was like, oh, look at you. Is that him? Yeah. I thought it was a radio message.

I thought he was, like, there to hand him the dark saber. No, he gave it to him. I thought that was, like, I thought that was a guy he sent. Oh, okay. Oh, wait. Maybe I'm wrong, though. What book was this? Which, which was the first one?

I thought that was, maybe you're right. Oh, you are right. You are right. There's a different guy. Okay. I'm looking at it. And it has the little, it has the little buzz. So you know, it's coming.

It has the buzz bubble, so you know it's coming from electronics. Yeah, okay. I just also need to get this out of my head because I saw it yesterday, but it's been, like, there since yesterday. Just a little headline I saw on a pop culture website. About Ted Lasso, Rupert's office is modeled after Emperor Palpatine's Death Star Command Center. What does that mean? Nothing.

He's the fucking villain. Was that C, whatever? scene rant, whenever the screen rant. It was one of those screen rant. I also saw, I saw a screen rant YouTube title that was like 74 Easter eggs in Mandalorian episode 3. And I was

like, oh my God. When Chrysacrisis on Oudapal ended and it suggested things to me, the suggestions were fascinating. It was like, on YouTube you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Like, the most disgusting war crimes committed by the clones on Oudapau.

And it was like a 10-minute video documenting, like, what Cody and his men did, the constituted, like, war crimes. And it was like, it was terrific. That's so funny. And the first two minutes of that video was just explaining what unit they were from and then what subunits they were, they were a part of. It was, it's tremendous stuff. Anyway, the point is, big battle. Big battle. Big battle.

They are losing the battle, then they're winning the battle, then they're losing the battle. Also, the Jedi show up late, like always. Yeah. Oh, and Tip Lee, the one that didn't get God. The one who didn't get God is here, hanging with Obi-W-W-Wan. Do you think they hooked up after, they became like a pair? She got killed No I meant after

In the in between In the in between Oh like so she's like Reeling from the death of her sister And he's like I just lost the teen Yeah yeah yeah Two people in grief You know

Yeah I mean they were both in That episode The Yoda They're in the dream Yeah Yoda knows they hooked up And it was like I hope it works out with them

And they're also hanging out with Obi-1 Both of them are hanging out with Obi-1 in the hallway. Right. Something's going on. Maybe they at least are bonding over, you know. At least a Thruple vibe. She does.

She mentions Satine, right? Yeah, this is the only Satine name drop we're going to get in the rest of Star Wars, I think. I know you're really sad about Satine. He's like, no, I'm good. This is my emotions are under control. But he would say that because he doesn't want Tiplar or Tip Lee. It's Tipley.

It's Tipley. He's on this page. She says, she walks over. She says, I sent here a turmoil over you on. And he goes, my last encounter with Maul didn't go so well. And she says, he murdered the Duchess Sateen, someone you cared for deeply. The Duchess Sotene, weird vibes. He says, my emotions are under control, Master Tipley. I will not fail you or this mission.

I think they're hooking up. He cried when she died. I'm looking at the... Crying. He's crying? He's crying? He's crying. He cries?

He's crying. Oh, my God. Oh, shit. He's crying. He's fucking solved it. Wow. Texts are locks that you need to find the keys for. They only have one meaning.

And in this case, these are things I believe for sure, right? Anyway, they're definitely hooking up. Yes. Damn. He's pissed, too. He's holding her body. And he says, they're heading for the gauntlets. Don't let them escape.

Screaming. I've never seen what we want like this. He's so upset. pull up like that for Soutine. No, he did not. This isn't going to work. My iPad is too bright for this. This one here.

Yeah, yeah. Do you have it? Yeah, it's important. Damn, he is, the tears are flowing. Yeah, look at him. He's pissed. He's so mad. Boy, he's tight.

I mean, it was, it was like, I feel like, you know, in grief, you become really close. You become really close. And they probably got really close and maybe even trauma bonded a little bit. And then, you know, she was taken from him suddenly in the same way. Maybe he's crying, thinking about Satin as well.

He's holding Tipley the same way. Here we are again. Another person I love at my hands. This is us trying to be like, man, I wish Obi-Wan had handled the whole Satine death thing a little more. I wish he cared as much as we did. Same. I'll bet he's, you know what, is he's holding. Tip Lee, I'll bet he's thinking of Satin.

That's, yeah, that's what's happening. That's exactly what it is, yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what happened in this. Oh, one second. This is kind of funny. So, do you know who, I was going to say it outright, Satine and Tip Lee are voiced by the same woman.

Oh, interesting. Who also voiced Bounty Hunter Sugi, you may recall, Sugi, Senator Mina Tills. I don't remember who Mina Tills is, but also... Pandoran. That's not right. Good shot, though. Mina Tills is one of the Monkow

people. And Teclamanao, Padmae's put upon servant. Wow. Okay, rain. What do we think? Obi-Wat smashed all of those? What did all of them? Obi-Won, you know...

Oh, and people are No, you know what? You know what? You know what? That's not what I'm, I got to find the screenshot. I got to find Seteen death, Google Image Search. People are noting that the death, sorry, someone we've referenced before on this podcast,

Tumblr user Duchess of Seteen or Duchess, what is it, it's Duchess of Mandelor. Yeah, notes that the show. of typically getting stabbed by Duku is like the same shot of Sotin being stabbed by Mahl. No way.

Uh-huh. But then why did the... Okay, but like, it's like they made this comic like looking over the shoulder of the Clone Wars arc, but you're writing the Clone Wars, write something else.

Like, those episodes exist. Those episodes do exist already. They already did happen unless they were like unsatisfied with them in some way. No. they're rhyming oh they're rhyming

yeah yeah yeah yeah of course yeah uh-huh Gripe anyways anyway I like it better if they weren't I like it better if Obi-WiWi I also already a relationship too

I think it's better I think it's cute for them to have spent some time together in grief I also think like you shouldn't just rhyme in couplets which is often how it scans when they do this but yeah so

but the whole like battle stuff is cool I do like I like the idea too of like a bunch of mob enforcers being caught up in like just a full scale war and increasingly being like what are we doing here like we are we are meant to be involved in like brief shootouts

with other gangs and mostly setting fire to restaurants that's like mostly that's our skill set our core competency You can say that's our bread and butter. Maybe it's too close of a metaphor, but... God damn it.

Now I really want... I really want a, like, Scorsese style. Like, you are just a black son, like, ever... For as long as I can remember, I want to be a black son enforcer. And you just get caught up in, like, the thing that, like, instead of, like, getting caught up in, like, the cocaine tray and getting busted by the feds, it's actually, like, getting caught up in Sith. like craziness and you're like I need to get out of here like I just need to I need to turn

states evidence for the empire or something and just get out of this because I can't be I can't be fighting droidicas anymore that's just not for me amazing but like so the ambush largely works where it seems to and it enables grievous and ducu like they are captured and Tausen and Maul make their pitch to Duku, which is, we're going to foreshadow your ultimate fate, which is that you're going to be replaced, that you can't trust, you can't trust Sidious. And Duku is unconvinced, but the thing is kind of, yeah,

the thing is mooted by the arrival of the Jedi, because he does just say, let's go kill Jedi and bond over that. And they do, they kill a lot of, they kill a lot of Jedi, they fight the way through the clones. and then they take Duku prisoner again, you know, knowing that he hadn't really converted to their side. And again, cool ideas here that I wish there was more time to explore, I wish this is the focus is this is around the time where the Black Sun, like, leaders reach back out to Mall and they're like, there's no, there's no, like, end in this for us. There's no profit in this. uh so we're not we're not sticking by you we're we're gonna piece out and maul says like if you

if you betray me now i'm going to come for you and they're not too this well let's see if you're around uh we'll cross that bridge but i do enjoy uh duku's you know you're finding that seizing power is a lot easier than maintaining it and again like the coolest idea in here is that Sith and Darkside business And that's just not his life anymore It's not where his life has taken him And if he just fucked off and did this crime shit He might do fine

Yeah You know But But the real But he couldn't because that And this is the big reach I feel Especially I guess You know

Well So So like the next The last arc of the Clone Wars Is Mother Taltsin's out there Sucking Souls into orbs And we were like What is this all about

is she dead what's going on with this well now for sure she's like 95% sure she's dead because the the reason they needed the real reason they needed to lure city as and duke all into one place is she needed basically to drain ducu as like a giant battery to like fuel her return into the physical realm and that plan works and it sucks because right as it's coming to fruition Cidius shows up and she takes over Duku's body right first yeah she's gonna like push herself into Duku's body

and then that just doesn't work because she doesn't know how to use a lightsaber so she just like sucks I mean that's why would you even leave your body to go be Duku unless you were just using him as like a shield essentially so that she tries to

fight with him and it doesn't work. It's so goofy. She's coming off silly. She's not coming off like... And this time she doesn't... It's like you being Jean-Malkoviched, Jean-Claude Van Dam to try and kill Bruce Lee.

Yes. And they're like, shit, I don't know martial arts. And this guy's really good at them. Like, really good. And finally, you know, that plan fails do who gets zapped the fuck out or whatever and uh back to his himself and then we have a whole uh give me your energy thing happening is all the siff team up and begin like blasting mother talzin and all she's got in her corner is uh mall who's like i will touch you mother here use me for energy but she does what she could

wouldn't do for the night sisters. Uh-huh. She's like, no, it's my time. You need to, you need to escape. And so she blasts him out of the room and then she's like burned from the inside. It is kind of gnarly how like she gets completely, uh, almost like mummified. It's like all the energy just burns her from the inside, from the inside out. And, uh, I mean, Grievous, like, uses that moment to get in there and stab her with, which is what I mean, the Grievous gets dubbed.

Like, Grievous got the kill. It goes on Gervis' sheet. You know, in the aftermatch report, when, you know, he got the play of the game. I don't think that he deserves the play of the game. The whole game, he didn't do much right. Well, hold on. The final moment, he got the kill shot. This is, like, his entire, everything about Grievous and Dathamere is just the most dirt bag, like, kill-stealing shit possible.

Like, he fought a duel with the Knight Sisters and was like, oh, I don't like how that one. went uh kill them all I'm gonna go I'm gonna go like ice down because from getting my ass kicked take me out coach I need the I need the closure to come in

this is 500 droids but you're you were right awesome and you said that this is this is just saying in the sense of like these people are never coming back like I feel like that is I just don't understand why you wouldn't have done that.

It just, especially with Mother Talzin. I get maybe Maul is this like, and he's back kind of character, you know, like you can just keep resurrecting him because he's so evil and, you know, evil makes you invulnerable to dying at times. Apparently not for Talton.

But what was the... Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Why tell the story? What are all the questions? questions about Darth Mall we had answered from the Faloni zone. That we know who his mom is? That we know who his mom is and that we know that she loves him.

And she worked with Palpatine. Question mark. And that she worked with Palpatine. Which we kind of already, like, we, come on. We knew. We knew that Palpatine didn't just stumble into having Mal. Of course he got him the same way Savage was given to Duku. That's what that's about.

Didn't Talzin say at one point that she gave Palpatine Maul? I think she did. Yeah. So that's not even a revelation. But it was like I gave Maul. Wasn't this a part of the whole Savajo Press era? That's what I'm saying. When she was like, I gave him Maul his first apprentice and then like he, you know, didn't, you know, discarded him when there was no more use for him.

so then I made Savage to have revenge. Yeah, that would make sense to me. I don't quite remember the exact script. But yeah, that, yeah. Certainly Mall's name is raised. So was he stolen or was he handed off? Like, now I'm starting to feel the unreliable narrator of it all. I mean, right.

She could be lying also. I think Allie's right. I'm changing my mind. Mother Talzin is just a liar. We can't trust her. We can't trust anything she says. I mean, yeah, that's cool. She's a real deadbeat.

like I've never liked her since she let all the night sisters die no like that was like the whole like yeah all right girls today we make our stand and then it's like all the night sisters are dead and she's like no the night sisters live on in me as green gas goodbye

yeah she sucks actually she's the worst I'm watching the scene from episode the episode called Monster And she literally says, you've heard of the Sith warrior named Darth Maul. He came from over here, and there were a few who still remain in his bloodline. The men dwell on the far side of Dathamere. So, like, yeah, she talks about Darth Maul and says, what if I could provide another of his kind?

So she doesn't say I provided Maul to Sidious, but she does say, did you know that that Darth Maul, the Sith warrior, was one of these people? So I think you're supposed to understand. understand that that's what happened, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Anyway. Also, how many, like, the other thing is,

every time you have someone sort of tip Duku to the fact that, like, you know, you might just be thrown under the bus at some point. Like, you notice how this whole apprentice thing works. Like, what do you think the plan is for you? Every time you sort of have someone tip him to that, and he's just like, nah.

Yeah. Couldn't be me. Yeah, it makes him seem worse at what he does, you know? Yeah, like you kind of want, at least from some of these stories, some inclination that he at least knows the box he's walking into and thinks he'll be able to get out of it, like, the last second before the trap closes. 100%. But anyway, yeah, it's just a, yeah, honestly, it feels actually really of a piece with the disappeared arc, though, or the, the, just with,

the charm of Jarjar getting some, you know, throughout that, throughout that arc, but it is one of those things where it's like, there's, this is a lot of, like, kind of, really the last arc of the mainline Clone Wars episodes where it's, like, we're doing a lot of, like, weird lore stuff that's not really additive. It's just, like, here's a bunch of, like, margins in the details that aren't going to change outcomes that much. That's this arc, right? That's it. four of four issues to quick read

so that's the end of mall no because it's mall in solo we've talked about this oh my god when did we talk about this Natalie just didn't exaggerated double tape no no no

when this that's not what you were saying I was asking 54 minutes ago or something I'm squinting out my own screen, meme. You said, you brought it up, you mentioned it, you didn't say, because Maul is there. What? Natalie.

We have to watch Solo now. We have to watch it now. It's not even a thing. It's not about Mall. I don't care. He's, we need to watch it. I can't go. I cannot watch Rebels without finishing out mall's arc and watching solo.

I refuse. Can you really appreciate solo, though, if you haven't seen Season 1 of True Detective? Maybe we need to watch Season 1 for True Detective. No, stop it. That season rips, but no. We can watch Solo, and that's it. Okay, I'll take it. I will tell you

I will tell you that there is a there is at least a little Darth mall and rebels also okay that is all I'll say I will tell you in fact that I was thinking about a scene I've seen one scene from rebels and probably like some early stuff when it first showed up on TV I was like I wonder if this is any good no bye I've seen one scene from rebels it has mall in it

and it's a banger and I thought about that scene when we watched Crystal Crisis on Udipau because there's a shot from a conversation with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker where I did the fucking pointing at the screen meme

and said that's the same shot that's in that one Darth Mall scene that I've seen from Rebels and I can't say anything more than that. Wow. But I don't think that's intentional. I think they just happen to both take these wide shots where you could see characters

on a flat field. is kind of fun. Okay. But I did point and take a screenshot of it and share with people who I know who've seen those things. Anyway. Interesting.

Yeah, we're watching solo. Okay. Anyways. So that was Son of Deathmere and now it's time for Crystal Crisis on Oudapau. Which does, by the way, have sub-episodes, but the version

we watched got rid of of the opening and closing of each of them except the first one so okay so we missed so there are episode breaks and there are narrations that we missed yeah yeah 100% I know I know I know but we got so I have a funny story about watching this um this movie that we watched all together um well separately but we did not watch we all watch it um so i had turned on the subtitles on youtube before i even started it same yep uh-huh i'm so mad about this the first thing i saw was the uh subtitle anakin colon i'll contact osoka and when i saw that it didn't really click for me what was being said i was like that doesn't match

up with what the guy is saying right now. That's weird. And I was like, oh, this must be bugged. And I turned it off. And then I got to the campfire scene. And it's like all of the nodes in my brain fired at once. And I realized what I had been spoiled on. Mm-hmm.

And that's my story. A fucking journey. It was a journey. Also, watching this, I mean, watching this, I'm going to call it the movie, the crisis of Apatau. Nope. Nope. I'm glad you said it. I was like, I'm not.

Wait, did she say Apatow? She did. Rob, she did. It's a little bit of a romance. It's not a photo. God, imagine if this had been Jonah Hill. It basically is There's like basically

We only have one bed Jonah Hill as Anakin And Seth Rogen as Obi-Wan It kind of leads me to what I was going to say Which is the first half of this The first 30 minutes of the show Is a wild emotional ride And then the last hour

Is like the best time I've had With Obi-Wan and Anakin In fucking years I know I like feel so much better One of the notes I took was like that I feel better about closing off Clone Wars for the next year. Yes.

Or however long it takes to get through Rebels is probably more than a year. But after seeing this, like this feels like such a better finale to Rebel or to Clone Wars than what we got at the end of season six. Because for a lot of reasons. Go ahead. I said after I watched Obi-Wan that I would need a lobotomy to return to my pre-and-or Star Wars.

brain because I felt so completely distraught that I couldn't even tell if I could find enjoyment in the silliness of Star Wars anymore because the silliness was just so off-putting. It was so grating. I hated it. This was like a restorative balm nectar that was poured all of a, I went in the Yoda tube. I had medically induced meditation and I was yes they were dangling me up from the sky your tiny little clothy out of your little jammie bottoms three little toes in my jammies and I feel like oh my gosh I could laugh I could have fun with them it was like the banter is next level it's so

good there's even references all through the final like third of this and I was like you know what They're kind of hitting for me. He's making quotes. He's quoting some shit. And normally I hate it when they quote the original trilogy. I'm good with it. They kind of all landed for me. One of them was a little much.

But generally. I was in. They had me. They had me hooked. And on top of all the goofy mode that we get, we get a genuine heart to heart. And like the sort of like assumption that this is sort of like the first mission after the Asoka stuff

and then you re-contextualize the goof mode because they're compensating because they like don't know how to act with the two of them anymore so they're like falling back in these patterns and are both just thinking like oh Asoka should be here. We should get to the scene naturally

and then just talk about that scene. What's happening on Oudapal? Anakin and Obi-Wan are going to retrieve a prisoner of war. Casualty of war. Is that a casualty of war? Casualty of war. But there shouldn't be a war here, right?

Because this is a neutral planet that is not involved in the war. Udipau has like gone out of their way to stay. Yes. Separate. By the way, I just turn on the captions again so I could like follow along and there aren't captions

except where it says I'll contact Asoka. They really do not turn on the cap. I mean, well now you know. Oh, now you know. It's too late now. Um, this is, this is a, it is described as a melting pot of a place with lots of different aliens, lots of different people here, including one that is known for being arms dealers. Um, but this is a neutral planet. Uh-huh. And so they show up to be like, hey, uh, why did this Jedi, is the Jedi already dead?

Yeah, the Jedi's already dead. Dispector June, yeah, they meet up with Inspector June and she says, well, why would there have been a Jedi here? You're telling me the council didn't know anything about this. And Obi-Wan has to give the disclaimer that, yes, there are a lot of Jedi out there who are doing stuff that the council doesn't know about and the council doesn't know everything that the Jedi do, which is the disclaimer that he has to give every once in a while when these types of things happen. And master, it was Master Tuan, right? Tuon was one of the first Jedi to visit Udipau in a while and they go to basically like inspect the body and see if there's anything. We get so much good just basic investigation episode. This is, I really wish I would have loved to see the final of it because there is this vibe of like they are two cops out of their jurisdiction and like the entire thing has this like your.

here by courtesy, but can you? And I thought Inspector June was on the level. Like, I thought maybe she was not in on it because, like, she's helping them, like, kick this off. But everything else seemed, like, suspect. And even in the, even in the, like, sort of,

uh, crude, like, intermediate step animation, like, this, so much does have a vibe of, like, there's kind of the eeriness of the fact that, like, they go into the morgue and because they're Jedi, They can do the sort of shit that, like, in the 1900s people thought you could do. Like, we'll photograph the final image of the killer out of the eyes of the dead person, because, like, that's how eyes work. They kind of do that. Which is basically what they do, yeah.

Yeah, they're like, oh, let's see what her last brainwaves were. Lasers. It was lasers. Last thing she saw was lasers. She got shot with a laser dart, which is a new type of thing. and they'd like do a bunch of like sci-fi detective shit with like moving the body

like the hologram of the body around and figuring out which way she fell and okay that means she would have been looking up this direction and we grizzly details like she dragged herself like out onto this catwalk do you think this this whole arc is like bloody right like there's lots of heads getting chopped off

and people being shot in the back and like Anakin does a whole John Wick action sequence at one point there's some equilibrium gun caught a shit do you think that would have gotten cleaned up in the final and like Disneyified and made a lot of the action less

maybe that's why this didn't I mean maybe that's what that might have had an impact on this not coming out because if it took more work yeah I feel also the like just overall the show has been on trajectory of getting more kinetic and violent like

you know again like in the scheme of things the end of the mandala arc was not that long ago and we were all stark at the time of like the fights are really good but also they are violent in a way they have not been before and I think by this point in the Clone Wars they're getting violent like things are getting dark they want to see some... Pardon?

This season though which is the first Disney season because all that other shit was made before Disney took over yeah but they didn't know that Disney was gonna come shut them down like that's my point my point is season six Did season six stuff have to go through a Disney pass to be less brutal? I mean, we did get the fives arc in... We do, but that's not like...

That Sidious Mall-Savage fight feels like another level. And the Mall pre-visla fight feels like another level than anything we've gotten. I mean, Ghalom versus Yoda is pretty brutal. I'm just imagining some Disney execs. So, like, Dave, what are your plans for, uh, like this season, and, like, Faloni, like, opens his notebook up, and he's got some, like, crude, horny fan art of Ventress

and Quinlan. That is, right? That episode doesn't get made. You know, who knows? Who, you know, this is complete conjecture. But I will say, Anakin is, like, dark side mode, uh, basically immediately here, and then throughout. And also, Obi-Wan is, like, Safari racist mode,

basically immediately and throughout. the amount of times they say uncivilized or primitive it's the most gordon of cartoon shit i've ever seen it's unbelievable they look straight at them and just like speak plain hey these guys speak english or are they primitives uh i don't know are you speak english no one of them comes over and does later and he's like oh i guess you're the civilized one it's it's wild it's wild and again Does that stuff get cleaned up on a second pass sometimes? I bet it has at least once. I bet at least one time someone was like,

we got to cut them saying primitive at least one time. They say it too many times. It's used too much, too much repetition. The Jedi cannot be this racist. Exactly. Anyway, they basically figure out, hey, the Jedi was killed by someone who has like a pretty advanced firearm. Does anyone here have access to shit like that?

And they've slime. Also key detail. Yeah, I forget about the slime. And a Toydarian janitor is the closest thing they got to a witness. And Anakin flips the fuck out because, like, again, yeah, there's some Jedi racism, but also, like, you know, he was owned by one of these people his entire life. Like, and so he's just like, you beat shit. Stop lying to us.

I know Toydari and's Obi-Wan. You can't trust him. It's wild. He brushed out the lightsaber. To be fair, that Toy-Darian was standing. right behind, like, had just walked right, flew right up to them. It was just, just hanging out as they were trying to discuss the crime scene. But you don't get to speak of Toydarians this way after King Katoonko?

Yeah, you can't, you can't like. After Savage used his body as a hacky sack, you got to put some respect on the. Yeah, and he was a stand-up dude. He was like, there's no percentages to me backing the Jedi in the Republic, but I'm going to do it because it's the right thing to do. And now we flashed to Anakin being like typical toydarian behavior, not talking to the cops, he doesn't know. You know he said that King, what's his name, Katunko? Kato. It was one of the good ones.

You know he said it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't put a best thing. Anyway, they end up like following a lead and being told like, well, we don't do, we would never do business. Sorry, the janitor says a droid set up this deal, a droid with red eyes. And Obi-Wan is like, ah, that sounds like a magna droids, one of the ones that Grievous has. And Anakin's like, master, they're like 10,000 droids with red eyes.

You've got to chill. He's like, no, I think this is it. And goes to talk to the governor or whatever, the inspector who is like, no, we don't fuck with whatever, magnetroids. But maybe the primitive peoples from below, the other species that lives on this planet, may have some connection with them. or maybe someone saw someone talk to one. I forget the exact situation.

So they ride their birds because we're in Star Wars and they're riding animals down to meet these people. There's a whole sequence of them talking to these people. And again, all the safari shit, all the Obi-Wan has read about all the different peoples of the world and studied their languages in a very paternalistic way. And they say, hey, we exiled someone. And that exile was seen talking to a droid somewhere.

So maybe that's who you're looking for. and they go on a wild like bird chase through the caves there's a big alien happens a big alien is following them like a swamp alien so we get some more capital S capital W Star Wars shit

and they eventually chase these magnadroids who are the ones with like the electrostaffs except these ones have like smaller electrow they have two small electrow staffs instead of the one big one and then we get like a really funny fight scene up on some like I don't know scaffolding like some some infrastructure of this big as a

reminder udapau is the is the planet that has the cities that are sunk down into sinkholes these big deep sinkholes and then the the caves in the walls are where the people live and then there's sometimes like some infrastructure like you know big metal uh stuff like built between the different sections of the sinkhole it's where obelio won to fight grievous in revenge of the Sith. It's where Obi-Wan was Order 66 when that gets called in and he's riding that fucking weird lizard dog away when Cody shoots at him. That's this planet. And there's a very fun fight scene with these magnetroids where the rule is they have to keep them alive so that they can interrogate them. And Anakin is just like, I don't want to fucking do that. That's so

boring. Let me just kill this guy. Some very fun comedy beats in that. Great comedy beat where Obi-Wan just misses his jump off of the bird alien and almost falls to his death? Good. It's good. I really wish we could have seen this like all the way done because I think it would have been just really, really fun. That's, I mean, there's a lot because like there are so many great action sequences that you're like if they had given the sort of pass to it that we see in places like, you know, darkness on Barra or like all the stuff on, you know. mall returning to Mandelaar like there's some there's some great stuff here if you haven't seen this we should say what we're looking at is or what what feloni calls a story reel sometimes these things

are called animatics um they are they are animated with uh kind of stock 3D character uh models that they already had uh that are incomplete things like their joints and fingers are not paid close attention to it's a flat lighting model there's no lighting happening here Everything is unfinished, and sometimes assets will straight up say words on them, like temporary or battle droid one. You'll see stuff like big pink blocks of color when something like the sky needs to be added in post, like a background player. It's like a deeply unfinished version of the show. There's not a lot. There's some facial animation, but it's always more cartoonish than what it will eventually be.

There's sometimes you see people walking, and sometimes you do not. They will just glide around the screen. It's very funny to see who gets the walking animation and who doesn't. Like the battle droids almost always are walking because I imagine they just have that in because battle droids walking is such a core thing. But our main characters who theoretically would be getting hand, you know, carefully animated new animations every time they move, they don't walk very often or run very often. It sometimes seems like they throw in a couple keyframes just to give you an idea what the action should look like.

So you can sort of see like Okay, when Obi-Wan jumps He's going to jump like a superhero And so that's kind of the look we're going to get But yeah, it is very like tiki-tacky In how the It's totally viewable and it is Like Filoni said earlier

This is what he and George would watch Before sending final notes So that they could make passes And then send it off to get animated At the, you know, whoever their outsourced animation partner was where all of that heavy labor actually finally gets done at the end of the process, right?

So, yeah, that's the experience. This is, again, on YouTube, it's worth at least looking at it to get a feel for what this experience is like. Some of the effects stuff is very funny. I think it's kind of charming in places, but it's, I do wish it was a full episode. Yeah.

Anyway, this very first of the kind of four episodes that make it up ends with them coming back and being like... Anakin just kills his droid that he was fighting. He throws it into a turbine and is like, oops, I broke it. And then he just like moves on

to Obi-Wan's droid and Obi-Wan's, please don't fucking kill him. And Anakin is like, this arc emphasize a lot more, Anakin, you're action-oriented, you're impulsive, Obi-Wan, I'm the thinker, Anakin, I'm the actor.

Like, it just kept coming back to that over and over again, and I think was, especially in their fighting styles and decision making, really trying to hammer that in. But it worked really well for me. Agreed. What did they end up getting from this last droid? I didn't feel totally, because the droid self-destrocks before they can fully interrogate it. They get something with the little interrogation disc they put on it, but I don't remember what it is.

They get Indente's, like. like face, right? Maybe. Yeah. I think it's, it's in Dente and, um, what's his name talking to the two, two, two of the same type of droids or maybe to them, I guess. Yeah. Just the summary is he, he knows who they were dealing with, uh, in terms of it was an arms

dealer, that it was a, a suge, sugey arms dealer, sui being the species, uh, that it came here to do arms dealing. that makes sense this is one of the things in addition like they're doing a lot of like and they sort of mention here like a lot of different like people live

on Oudapau but also because also like the like species are cultural monoliths in in some ways like there's like it ends up being kind of a confusing episode because it's like oh yeah we got to go out and like meet

you know the planes version of this group not the not the canyon version or whatever right and so there's a there's just a lot of like hand wavy stuff like that where it's like we you know we gotta go out to deal with these folks and uh there you know there's some other type of alien here uh but something else i i like here is just the the it's around this time uh in between like after the interrogation of toydarian remember the governor of this planet was like your presence is no longer welcome here right like Take your dead Jedi and please leave. And here at the end of the episode, they have the ceremony to cremate Masteran.

And we get that like, you know, daggers and, you know, daggers behind everyone's backs. As we see Inspector June and the governor sort of exchange a look as they sort of go through this ritual with the Jedi. And the Jedi are firmly aware they can't trust anyone. Natalie, what were you going to? Well, I was just going to point out that both, I mean, the two like people that I think it's Chong and Dente are both Sugi, but they have very different like presentations where I guess Sugi are a type of people that like get really into cybernetics and stuff and I don't know, which I just thought was like a cool. was like interesting and might speak to the difference between like different tribes on the same planet and like what they kind of get what they how they present themselves yeah there's definitely a lot going on in terms of the different like again it feels like we're going to be very star wars we're going to introduce you to three new types of aliens and also one of them is going to have cybernetic like like not uh centaur bodies but sort of kind of like that And also, we're going to have, you know, it just feels like that was part of what their goal was here was new guy alert, you know? Yeah.

No, that's, yeah. And speaking of, then they do go out to the plains to meet the second tribe of the Amani. Anakin jumps into it and scares them off slash kill some of them probably. They flee. Well, once again, I'll say he's kind of in like full flashback mode because he's had his like Toy Darian encounter. and oh look it's a people living out in a village in the plains

that you're suspected being tied with like the death of one of your number and so Kenobi's like let's go in soft and like glean what we can and he's like

animals and I slaughtered them like animals you're right he's doing yeah basically he's in that mode they mostly flee they find the late laser dart gun,

which is a very big goofy prop because it's this placeholder art. And this is the first time as they begin to leave this place for clues that we, I mean, how long is this sequence that we now have to talk about for probably 40 minutes

from start to finish? Because one of my notes is, my note after I've transcribed most of it is, how is this not in season six? Ah, it keeps going. This scene keeps going. They keep not cutting it.

Or when they cut it, they keep the conversation going. This is so good. This scene is why this is canon. It's so wild that this scene is not in the main show. It's like it's a three minute long scene. I've just checked. It starts at like 2450 where they're like, tracking these people

and then it goes until like 28 minutes basically who wants to describe what we're looking at here what happens I guess Natalie you already read the line

well it starts with there's this kind of really quick should we just drop this whole scene yes it's that important

okay so one of them says their base, I think it's Obi-Wan says their base must be close by and Anakin says I'll contact Asoka. Maybe she can. Do we want to just watch the scene together?

Pull it up, pull it up. I want to pull it up. I think we should. All right. And then I have to show you something terrible. I'm just going to tell you it. I'm not going to show it to you. I'm not going to show it to you.

Shout out to Fowren, friend of the site, who sent me a version of this that takes this audio and then does a like 4K uh like source filmmaker version of it it's hideous it's a nightmare it's so bad anyway let me screen share here uh okay do you yeah see in here okay here we go They slow to a walk here. Their base must be close by.

I'll contact Asoka. Maybe she can... Anikin. Forget about it. She's gone. Anikin, do you want to talk about it? What's there to talk about? Nothing, I suppose. Perhaps we should set up camp. Sound like a plan?

Whatever you say, master. I thought that would be it. Same. I was like, all right, I'll take it. I mean, there's my little morsel, here's my little crumb. I'll eat it. Yum, yum, yum, yum. Bye.

And then. Oh my God, his eyes following Anakin. I know. Anakin, dwelling on the Soka's decision, won't bring her back. I miss her, okay? Is that what you wanted me to say? Yes. I still can't understand how she could have left the

order. It was a surprise decision to all of us. It was wrong. She's a Jedi. She belongs with us. She's one of us. She made the decision, Anakin. Well, what choice did we give her?

Good point. The moment there were any suspicions about her loyalty, the council turned their back on her. I will grant you mistakes were made, but she chose to leave. True. Part of the Jedi way is not letting a motion cloud your better judgment. And that's precisely what is said. Oh.

Mm. Mm. Mm. Is that what you're telling yourself to make yourself feel better? Uh-huh, maybe. Why don't you get some rest? I'm not tired. You can rest, master.

I'll keep first watch. Then I will accept your kind offer. And again, I was like, alright, well that's not. Again, I was like, yep, yep, this is the second time. You can't take responsibility for Assoca's decision, Anakin. Oh, uh-oh. How would you feel if I turn off? into a major disappointment.

It's not the same. It's precisely the same. You took me under your wing and practically raised me. I'm your Padawan, just like Asoka was mine. How well would you sleep knowing I failed you? Not very well, I imagine. Luckily, that isn't true and never will be. Bro!

How is this not in the show! How I... And then the TV show, Obi-Wan, saw this big, juicy meatball cruising slowly over the plate and it just hacked at it wildly and ended up in the dirt. They let it, they let, it's such a good sequence for a few reasons. One is the thing that we keep saying, which is it keeps feeling like it's going to stop and then it keeps going. Which is a great true thing that happens with conversations like this where like you can't stop talking about it. You want to stop talking about it. You want to treat, but sometimes it

bursts through. It keeps bubbling up. Two, they're both right and wrong in exactly the ways they always are. They're as much themselves as they've ever been. They lay it all out here. They both take blame where they should and shouldn't. They both, you know, defer things that they should talk to directly and refuse to and also talk more directly than they have ever before in the past. It reveals so much of their, you know, why they are both tragic figures. The fact that Anakin begins with his emotional connection to her, but also it's clouded with a possession, a sense of possession around her, that she's a disappointment is wild. On one hand, he's saying, I was stunned that he said, and it's because of a fear of him being a disappointment.

You know, it isn't, the fact that he classifies her leaving as disappointing to him is honest about how he feels about it. While at the same time, it's honest that he says that they didn't give her any fucking choice. But he can't untie that for himself and neither can Obi-Wan. It's just such a good conversation. I was floored that this was just, like, going into this episode, I had no expectations. No, I thought we were going to get a silly, silly, silly, silly arc. I did not think there was going to be anything like this. in here and I also just feel like after watching the scene I was like that was the whole

fucking point of doing this show like that conversation was the point of the show we started off all the way back in season one back at the Clone Wars movie hey and again here's your paduan you guys are going to fucking hang out together for a really long time and maybe like you will learn some things we'll see what happens and then for that not to be paid off at all really I mean the Asoka leaving it doesn't that's only half you can't have Asoka leave

and us never deal with how Anakin responds to it because the way that Obi-Wan responds to the fact that Anakin left you know went darksided is he basically forego he dedicates his life to taking care of his son, to watching his son. Obi-Wan continues to contemplate what happened between him and Anakin. And the fact that Anakin wasn't thinking about Osoka at all made no sense. Like, why did we, why did this all happen?

Not saying that it has to be centered around Anakin, but in a lot of ways. There are other ways to do it. There are ways that they could have, and ways that we looked for in this past season, where we talked about ooh does he seem fierce does he seem like like a little more fearsome does he seem like he's like a little angrier a little more violent but we never got to it's not like we got the quiet nights of him you know um you can read the rush clovis arc with the osoka stuff in mind but it it doesn't spend the time to let you really sit with it or for it to no one says the fucking words and the camera and the pacing doesn't make you bring the words up either you know um and here finally not only do they say the words, but they keep saying the words. I can't imagine how devastating it must have been to be on the Clone Wars production team and be like, we have the Rush Clovis arc ready to go. We have Charger and Queenie ready to go.

But this is just left on the cutting room board because we can't finish it. Yeah, that's, it sucks. It sucks. It sucks. It sucks that that that Yoda arc was ready to go. and this was just because I would just swap these instantly. I don't need that Yoda shit

at all. There's nothing in that. I would sacrifice punished Yoda for this. I would. He should have died in that little tube.

Yeah. It would have finished out the arc quicker and we could have. Yeah, we got at least two of these episodes. Yeah.

At least at least the first two which is all we really need. The rest is great too, but I... The rest is great, but... Rob, did you have something?

No, I also think, like, it's even in the, even in this little animation, you can sort of see the nuances of like what the performance was going to be the way like, and I like here too, they've really dialed in the fact that one of the tragedies of Obi-Wan and Anakin is they can get so close to getting to the heart of things, but due to their own inhibitions and embarrassment over like, things they've done and, like, transgressions they've had in ways they feel they failed, they can't quite bridge those connections. It happens again here, too, where you sense, like, Obi-1 wants to reach out, but Anakin doesn't really want him to, but he kind of does. And so there's this halting, like, feeling to this conversation. And it does the thing, like, so often in, like, Clone Wars just as a series, we talk about how a lot of times characters can't just do the sense.

thing because ultimately the ultimate tragic payoff of all this has to be left in place. But in like the scene we saw with Obi-Wan Natickin in the Rush Clovis arc and what we see here, we can see that like these guys have the chance to have these heart-to-hearts and like re-forge that relationship and they can't quite pull it off. And I think that makes the stuff later in this where they're doing their whole like goose and maverick shit like more poignant some ways because here we can here we can be joshing around kidding around like old times but this campfire scene indicates like it is not old times and it never will be and in part because there is sort of a third member of the band who is no longer there and in their ways they both came

to rely on her and so there's also this like both literally here there is the sense of they really are on their own they knee back up and it's not there because asoka is there but also in this deeper sense like there is this countervailing force that isoko represented in the group dynamics that is also absent and is making the entire thing run worse yeah totally totally i think there's go ahead oh i was going to say that what really gets me is that there's like a when obi wan says um part of the jedi ways is not letting your emotions cloud your better judgment. That is precisely what Assoca did, even in her most critical moments. And it just feels like you can feel the like, the like, you know, check of relationship status

or like getting through this conversation hit the game over scene. Because like, Anakin is like, oh, I've already done that. Like, you're about to tell me that I'm not a disappointment, but I know that any honesty that I share with you, you're already going to see me as a failure if that's what you think her failure was. But also, I don't think he's lying when he says he doesn't see Anakin as a failure. I think he's lying when he's telling himself that that's what lets Asoka leaving be okay. That he's convinced himself. The lie he's told himself is, well, she was being emotional.

And so I guess it's not the... And therefore she made a mistake. Therefore, she's in the wrong. She's in the wrong. The Jedi Council, of course the Jedi Council did some things incorrectly, but the fundamental true final mistake is that she was emotional at a bad time and I mean

Anakin is setting this up Right Go ahead Anakin is setting this up saying It's wrong she's a Jedi She should be with us She should we should have like She belonged with us

Like we should have protected her We should have like stood by her When things were tough And first Obi-Wan is like It was her choice And then it's like Okay so it was her choice to leave

But then he attaches the well because she made that choice it shows she never really belonged with us she never really was cut out to be a Jedi she made a choice out of emotion out of an emotional response and therefore

it like but it starts with it starts with Anakin saying I can't understand how she could have left the order would not not I don't understand why the Jedi Council didn't side with her he gets to that but he starts at

she could have, how could have she left the order? Which of course, he needs to do. He's got to leave the order and go have a kid. But there's that whole thing, but she's one of us. But it's that desperate to be like, I am also one of us. Which is the thing, like, again, it ties so beautifully back to that final, like, exchange where she says, I know. And it's this complete, like, undressing of all his pretensions, where it's like, you are as much a hypocrite as I am. actually more so and you don't belong here and that's and that's one of the like i've seen through you and i know

that you can't you shouldn't be here and you certainly can't guide me back uh because you're you're lost here too and so when he when he's doing that it's it's this echo of that where it's like this desperate this desperation like the group identification like this is my family this is my home it's we are jett i and asoka leaving has like fractured that family Um, but also, yeah, he secretly, he's broken those vows too and he's, he's an imposter a little bit, not knowing, of course, that we got secret kids everywhere. I mean, that's the thing. That's the whole thing is it, the thing that that fucks over Anakin and Asoka is their

proximity to the council is because they're so close to the council that they're constantly, I mean, the, think about Duke. Jedi lost, okay? Ah. Like, in Duku Jedi lost, there are Jedi doing fuck shit that the council has no

well, actually one of the council members did. I mean, yeah. Know about. And then the guy stays in the Jedi. He doesn't even get a shit. They let Duku walk out with the lightsaber.

This arc opens with them being like, yeah, there's Jedi everywhere. Basically a dude. We don't know what Jedi are doing all the time. In Duku Jedi Order, a Jedi basically, like, made some bad bets on, like, a football game, effectively, and assassinated the guy.

Yeah, uh-huh. And they were like-over, because now you're susceptible to blackmail because you've been in the fucking bed with the mob, right? Yeah. This stuff, this is the thing, you know, if you can pull. I often talk about how I don't think, Star Wars thinks the Jedi are fundamentally good, right? But I do think that it also thinks that it is an institution that is too strict and that that strictness produces weakness. That it's the classic like, I'm not religious, I'm just spiritual. And it thinks the spirituality of the Jedi is noble and pure and connects them to something real.

And that often the rigidity of the late Republic era Jedi gets them into trouble. And again and again, the thing that has happened is the Jedi order lets people act on their own recognizance and expects them to live up to the best of the rules of law that they've put forward the code, the Jedi code. But what they don't understand is that people take that Jedi code super seriously and the guilt that they feel when they break it means that they will not come forward and say that they're in trouble, even though if they did, it would be fine. it would be like, okay, we'll pay off the mob boss and go threaten him and it will be dealt with it will be. Like, that is what would have happened in Duke of Jedi Lost if they had come to the council. And we know that because that's basically what happens

when it blows up in their fucking faces. Duke and Jedi Lost is so funny because it gets its name from, he comes across like the gallery of the Lost Jedi who were meant to like sort of be these enduring lessons for like the ways the Jedi Order has failed. And it's like, damn, he has to really sit with that. And he knows that, like, when he feels that call to, like, leave the order, it means becoming one of those Jedi and losing all of this.

And the punchline is at the end, Yoda's, like, he puts the lightsaber back in his hand and is like, you're still one of us. Or maybe we never did. But it's definitely, like, for, like, you can leave, but you're still, you'll always be one of us. And it's like, if that had been known going in, things look really different across the board, right? I mean, it gives, you could almost make the assumption that the door is still open, like, if you want to come back.

Totally, which is also the thing with Asoka. You know Assoca could come back, but she's made the right choice, which is like, I'm not going to come back to a place that chides me and tells me there's a right way to be and I have to be that way. And then doesn't have my back when shit goes bad, even when I'm in the right. And then, and then pretends like they didn't fuck up when that happened. That entire process, that entire structure is built around such a bad relationship to guilt and my connection. And leveraging the connection to the force is like giving you power over me. I'm going to walk away. I'm not going to fuck with that anymore.

The whole like she let her emotions cloud her judgment at this moment. And you get the strong sense that like that's what the Jedi Council told themselves. Like when the door like closed, they like they had that moment of like, did we fuck? up and then they were like she acted very emotionally now didn't she when in fact their entire response is driven by fear because they feel the news closing around them they feel the snare closing the the uh the you know about to be the empire the republic is taking more and more power away from them people like tarkin are rising through the ranks and are becoming more important to palpatine uh and and and have their own forces that they're commanding separate from the forces that the

Jedi or generals of all of their decision making was emotional and yet yes this is how it comes through and so like I don't know great scene

perfect distillation of where these two characters are at at this moment and then yes sets up the most you know

guys being dudes remainder of this arc of any arc we've ever seen just dudes rocking for the next hour it's amazing from here on out

well and the fact that like I kind of do believe Anakin where he's like he just decided unilaterally we can hunt these guys forever or we could just let ourselves get caught by them because we are too badasses and like what are they going to do and so he just gets his nap in

he's just like i'm going to sleep and they wake up guns pointed at guns pointed at them they're in custody oh he was like what the fuck man and he's like pretty cool right like you get is he bullshitting it's kind of ambiguous but he's like they're going to take us they're going to take us in we're going to see who's behind this. And then we have the wildly, like, Obi-Wan's got his virtual Pith helmet on. You know, these seem pretty primitive to me. You know, these aliens who they've never met can't,

you know, they don't speak basic. So obviously, just big, dumb animals, really. And we get the little comedy beat of one of them, like, holding the lightsaber up to his eye. Oh my god, this was wild. And it reveals he can remotely use the force to turn on a lightsaber and just kills that guy. And just kills that guy. But it's a running theme actually with this episode of like there's going to be some crazy

lightsaber-esque hyper crystal powered like mischance and misfortune going every which way. This is the first little taste of it where like one of these little bastards just wandering around and immediately just like cuts his head in half effectively and convoy stops the boss comes over and is like the fuck man and they're like ah we found the civilized one they sure do say that

yep and and they're like we want to put in a bid on whatever merch you're moving he's like got to take that up with my boss and so this whole bit is like they're just like trying to like say things to get information to get context and try to make like accurate. It's so good.

Very RPG campaign. Very like. It's so silly. Yeah, it's like, uh, yeah, we, we're here for the thing, the thing that's going on. These guys are arms dealers, right? They're like going to be all about money. The sort of thing where you reason out to manipulate the game master as well, where you're like, I'll bet, you know, I mean, like these guys, you know, totally makes sense.

If you think about how this whole thing's been set up, like they would respond this way if I said this. So I'm just going to say that. What do they say in return? And they're like, let's take you to meet the boss. The boss, who is played by James Hong, Hollywood icon character actor, often cast. They fucking booked James Hong and they didn't release this shit. Are you kidding me? It's wild.

Wasted James Hong. I know. It's such a bummer. And again, all of this voice. voice acting is final, right? Or at least it's final enough to be in this. Maybe they did some pickups or something after. But he, like, choose the scenery in the best way.

Oh, his whole... His whole phone call with Duku, where... Because they're returning to... So remember season one, somebody makes a deal with Grievous. I think it's the Evil Art 2 arc, but, like, grievous just, like, looks for excuses to stick a dagger in your back if you're a mercenary or pirate who works with him. So we know this is how Dukku and Grievous...

role and Duku does the most delicious uh they try to rate they try to start the bidding war and he's like we don't do bidding wars this is a real bad decision and they're like yeah you're right no we wouldn't do a bidding war but you know we will have to kill these Jedi and that's going to be expensive so we'll have to like add some like market adjustments to these rates and Duku's like okay wait there I'm going to send general grievous and I'll make sure you guys get what you deserve. And the phone call ends, and James Hong's character

is, turns the other guy, is like, I bet he's going to pay us triple. It's so good. The delivery on it is so sick. It's so good. I mean, here's the other thing. This is the funniest arc that we have gotten in forever. There's so much battle droid humor that's very funny.

It's a little like, there are two different a droid gets cut in half and then some shit happened bits, and both of them hit. So this is the other thing. They're leaning into the fact that you can have macabre slapstick. Yes, 100%.

I mean, the Alzheimer that is a little far away, but we're talking about comedy right now where Obi-Wan and Anakin, it's after Anakin goes John Wickmode and kills a bunch of guys. And Obi-Wan is like, stop, are you done showing off Anakin? No one's impressed.

And then the guy turns to the corner and goes, impressive, Jedi. but without your lightsabers, you are defenseless. And then Anika does another wild-ass lightsaber trick because this guy has their lightsabers, which is what they've been looking for for like 20 minutes. And he remotely activates them both with the force and force pulls them to them while cutting this guy up with them.

And then Obi-Wan is like, all right, now that was impressive. Incredible. Perfect bit. There's also a great... They're bros. They're bros. There's also a great bit where there's later on. There's a, it misses all the carnage of the battle droids. One of them is yelling after his legs as they walk away.

Please come back. Don't leave me here. It's like the best of attack of the clones. Like, it's like, it's them in the elevator. It's like, it's that, it's that energy. It's only the good bits. It's only the good bits. It's, um, and all throughout, like, the other half of it is like either direct quotes from

from future stuff. I mean, like, the one that doesn't hit for me is when they're walking up to the, to, like, the base. Oh, yeah. That's no mound. Yeah, he says, that's no mountain or what, yeah, yeah, that's a, whatever, whatever. Space ship. That's no mound. It's a spaceship.

And I wrote, boo. And he also says, this is also where he goes, like, these are not the weapons we're looking for. And he describes a blaster as being such a clumsy weapon, which, of course, he will later do, and where we get our name. name from from that sequence, but the stuff that does super work for me is there's lots of references to stuff that they do and have done throughout this. We get an Obi-Wan comes up with some bullshit fake law at one point. I mean, the high level of this is they get captured, they escape, they're trying to figure out what's going on in this base, and it goes on for like 30 minutes, and just a bunch of little bits and scenarios and vignettes as they go through it.

I would imagine a lot of this gets cut. Like, this definitely felt like the extended director's edition of these three episodes because first of all they're much longer than three episode arc of it's a four episode arc oh it would have been a four episode yeah yeah yeah okay so that's no like you can it's those episodes it really truly is they're ready to go and needed one more life but this is longer than four episodes would be there's no way we get these intact there's like there would have been cut down and probably there should have been some of the stuff at this base and moving the cryber crystal around drag but, like, overall, it hits more than it misses. But I love, I love, we get one more Anakin, just missed grievous by a minute, and it hits, it's the only one maybe that's ever worked.

The, he's hunched over, eyes straight ahead. Obi-Wan just waves. He goes by. It's great. We get one more, uh, Obi-Wan busting out some weird legal code bullshit that has to do with. The Yavin. You got on a Javan Convention. The Yavon Code.

The Yavin Law, whatever. So good. And we get, don't lose your lightsaber. And it finally happens the other way. Obi-Wan loses his lightsaber and Anakin is the one to get it. And he comes over and he's like, I forget the exact line, but he basically says, you're always losing this master or whatever. And it's, it's so good.

No, he says, like, you really should take care with these. Like, which is exactly what Obi-Wan says to him. Exactly, yeah. A Jedi's lightsaber is his whatever. It's all, all that stuff hits because it's that exact blend of all. that they're dudes, they're bros, those are my bros. And it's what you said earlier, which was they don't, they can't, because they can't resolve the bigger crisis that they're having with the Soca gone, they've retreated into this mode

of being that was, that began before she showed up and is the stuff that they can rely on. They're like reading the script of their friendship almost, right? Because that still functions, at least for now. And if it stops functioning, uh-oh. And guess what? It's about to stop functioning. as soon as this arc is over, you know? So, that's so good.

It's also, I said this to you last night, Allie, that, like, there's a real fanfic feeling in this. The extended campfire, talk about your feelings stuff. All of this, like, there are just the vibes of, we're just going to put these two characters and pinball them around together in these stock situations and have a good time doing it is all over this. it's playing the hits but in a really good way and then getting in those little bits of characterization

here and there wherever you can anyway Rob you mentioned a khyber crystal which is kind of what this whole thing is about so we're going to be foreshadowing what do the separatists want with big khyber crystal and boy it's a big khyber crystal so we get entire so after Anakin's whole like gun kata shit to escape

which is a lot of fun by the way seeing him do like Christian Vale in equilibrium and I don't know if they were going for that or if it's just a byproduct of what animation they have but it does look like him striking different like gun kata poses and like killing a bunch of droids but they find

the big khyber crystal to try to take off on the ship the ship's broke sabotaged that's what the weapon says that's by the way the thing right the what the whole thing has been about has been this giant khyber crystal that is a weapon This size of a minivan. When we say giant, we should talk about.

It's pretty big. It's like a it's like a small bus. Okay. It's big. It's big. It's bigger. Like it's, I'm looking at it on the screen right now.

It's bigger than some spacious. Think about the size of the crystals that the kids found in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, when they were building their lightsabbers, little shards. Uh-huh. And it's like that, and you like made it... Huge. You could fit 50 Jedi inside of it laying on top of one another. You think it's that? Okay, fair.

It's gigantic. I'm going to screenshot it. Well, I feel like maybe it... Does it almost change size between shots, though? I mean, probably. Sometimes they're getting it through hallways, like it's not a big deal. Right, but then there's the shot of, and this is like one of the funniest bits. So there's the entire side of, like, we need to go find, like, a find way to haul this.

So they just try to, like, get some big wildebeests out there, and they're just, like, absolutely not. No, it's like trying to convince an elephant to, like, haul your stuff, and you've never met an elephant before. But then just, like, one of those fucking, like, the sort of thing that Jarja was writing in the last episode just kind of shows up with fucking goofy, ice age-ass features. And it's, like, hi. And they're like, oh, this could work. Once again, because he puts Anakin on going to get the animal, which isn't what Anakin's good at. Obi-Wan's good at animals. He goes and lutes a camp and gets caught and does a Jedi mind trick.

It's not clear whether it worked or once again, like, he's sort of waving hello and the farmer, the farmer's kind of like, yeah, hello, and then he leaves. But it sets up a bit I love, which is they have the entire, they got to lower this entire khyber crystal off this gantry onto these like, like giant hover flatbeds that they've got and there's the whole like we got to time this carefully the whole like you get okay have three release with one arm and like grab it with the with the other and there's the question of like well is this even gonna is this thing even gonna hold up and it'll be fine and we get the wide shot of them slowly lowering the crystal down it settles on the truck bed the truck suspension like gives and then call It's so good. It's just the show. This is the show. This is the show. This is... This arc is the show at its best in so many ways. I feel like a fool. I feel stupid being like, oh yeah, the one... If you have to see one episode, it's the Crystal Crisis on Unipad. It's not. It's not real. That's not true. But it has so much of what makes it. It's not... No, because you need to lead in about who is okay. It's like, you do need all that other stuff.

I don't know what the one is, though. That's a different, very funny episode we should decide. But I can't, if somebody was like, I only want to watch one hour of Clone Wars, and I want to understand everything about what the show is. I have a ticket to Revenge of the Sith in one hour. Tell me what Clone Wars episode to watch. I would say this. The bit where the little, the animal, they're like, no word, the animal will be fine.

and he turns around and knocks the thing over. It's great. It's just simple comedy. And then it cuts to them doing like the trick with the apple on a stick. So that it's just, it's cartoons, baby. Make a cartoon. Make me a little cartoon where little guys do funny stuff. And then sometimes I cry.

You know, like there it is. Obi-one can never. Yeah. So I think for me this part does drag because we just don't get all the full glory of the fight that we would. would have gotten if it had been fully animated like the smugglers come and try to get their get their stuff and we get the whole like uh stage coach sequence i guess is really what what's what's going on here yeah and it's kind of a it just sets up that they're going to have to like

their path is even harder i think this is the sort of thing gets cut because they effectively re-rack and do this fight again but better uh in a minute yeah because what happens next is Grievous shows up and quickly intuits that things have gotten all kinds of screwed up. The Jedi of C's the crystal. The smuggler shows up and he's like, yeah, we're still, everything's fine. We're still working on details. Grievous knows this is bullshit. Decapitates him.

They make a point to show the little head rolling onto the floor. Again, probably doesn't make it. But maybe. Maybe season six was just going to like fully unleash. And then Grievous is like, I'm going to send my A team in here and we're going to go do this. And we're going to hit them as they come through the caves. And we need some violent droid death. Bro.

The part where they shove that droid off and he bounces, because it's a high-speed chase, he bounces off the rocks and up and into another of the droids on the bikes. Yep. All this stuff, again, even with this, you know, pre-final quality, quality and with no lighting, you know, or very, very flat lighting still looks and feels great. And it's, again, like I said, it's playing the hits earlier, but like the gag of they're going through a tunnel and there's like a beam that comes down from the ceiling and Obi-Ban ducks and hits the guy in the head. Like, it hits. All this stuff hits. The rhythm and pacing of the

sequences is really good. The action is, is dynamic. Like, all of that stuff is just, It's a good time. I had a good time. I loved watching this. I was kind of dreading it, honestly, and I loved it. Mm-hmm. They replace the, they get to a ship to, like, try to escape with the thing and realize that they've been betrayed by the locals. And Dreyfus's battle droids show up.

There is more comedy with the battle droids as one of their heads get shot off or cut off. There's a very funny hostage situation because of how it's animated with them grabbing two of the local Utau, the government officials and spinning around circles and cutting off droid heads. I love the thing that the droids end up doing with the crystal, which is replacing the push cart thing, the hover bed, with these little tiny hover, like stick-on units. They look like mines in a video game or something. You know, they're like a metal out ring and then a big red centerpiece. I was like a really cool way of getting that crystal to become more maneuverable in the final act so that you could do more dags with it. And then the big final thing, of course, is like, oh, we have to go get the crystal back. We have to go, like, bored, grievous's ship and get on board and get the crystal.

And, you know, we get a big ship finale, basically. Which, again, it's just more of this, basically. Like, I don't necessarily have to go beat for beat here. No, but one thing they do pull off for as lighthearted as it is, and you know there's no way this is a suicide mission, but it sure feels like a suicide mission where they call in, they're like, we lost the crystal. And the Jedi Council, especially Yoda, is immediately like,

oh, you've got to make sure they don't get this crystal. Like, this is imperative. And they're like, yeah, we've got to, you know, we've stolen a transatl, sport and we're chasing them down. And so they're going to fly a bus through a, you know, they're going to basically fly a bus through an entire separatist fleet. And this pursuit goes on and we get great shit like, Anakin engineers a droid command ship just getting blown the fuck up and he sort of turned, he turns to Obi-Wan and says,

still got it. It's like, it's like, again, like it's just a good time with the boys. Keep them coming. Like, yeah. Let the good times roll. Exactly. Like, I, the, the, you know, I have a note, Anakin hitting Obi-Wan on the don't use your lightsaber.

I'm losing my mind. All this Obi-Wan-Aniken stuff is so good. They're bantering. This is them. This is them at the end of it all. I am going to cry. Like, this is, it is them in their, in their shits. Like, they have it.

They're doing it. They're in the zone. All their little maneuvers. I guess, an important point that comes up here is what they learn is, if you put energy into the crystal, it enhances it and shoots it back out in

wild directions. They end up using this to like bust holes throughout the entire ship. They're dragging it through the hallways. There's a classic Grievous goes, they're moving what hallways are they moving through you know, whatever,

sector C in? And the battle droid goes, they're making their own hallways, sir. And then instantly an explosion. happens just off screen. Again, like, it is, it is, in the way that a good comic book understands that, like, hey, there have been 80 years of comic books past that have established, like, what a good page turn splash reveal looks like. It is leaning so hard into, like, classic cartoon, like, timing and pacing gag stuff.

And it all is just good cartoon action. And partly, partly, it just, we haven't gotten that this season. I think classic Clone Wars has. had plenty of that stuff. This season's, you look at, like, what were the arcs we got in season six? And it's a lot of stuff that's trying to take some big swings. Say what you will about the Yoda arc, which I did not love. It's trying to do something like, oh, we're doing a lore episode, you know.

I don't think the Clovis arc is great, but they're trying to do something with money. They're trying to tell a big story about that. And a season's from a marriage episode. Right. Right, and it's that, exactly. The Jar Jar Arc is kind of the only adventure-ass adventure arc that we got. And that's Jar Jar and Mace. Yeah. It's like the C team.

Yeah. Well, that's what makes it feel so, so, because you have to imagine that if they had a choice in this, that this would have made the cut, that they would have said, okay, give us a month. We have all this other shit ready. but, like, we would love to do this one. It had, like, I just can't imagine purposefully not picking this one. When's the last thing we saw the boys?

I was thinking this the whole time. Because, like, I mean, I don't know that they were buddy, buddy much in season five. I'm looking. So, yeah, season five opens with revival, the mall one that then gets separated from the rest of the mall. stuff. Then we get a war on two. We get the Anderon arc. They're like in the beginning of the Anderon arc, remember? But like they're not really like buddy butt. They're not like doing it like this. Then we get the younglings arc in D Squad. Then we get shadow collective and then we get,

uh, no, sorry. Then we yeah, we get shadow collective. Then we get the Asoka leaves arc. That none of that is classic Obi-Wan and Anakin like doing an adventure mode. So we'd have to go back to season four to the last time we did this. And there, it happens like immediately, right? In season four, it's, unfortunately, the Montcala arc. Do we get another version of it? We get them on the slave queen arc is also season four. Which isn't great. It isn't great.

But, like, it's there. Well, we just don't get enough buddy, buddy. See, that one could have done with more of the boys. Yeah. The problem was that they were separated from each other for too long in both of those arcs. And Anakin got too horned. morning for the vampire queen yeah she was a cat girl queen yeah but yeah that is it right so i think all the stuff has that extra nostalgic feel because we've waited we've been separated from

this they haven't they probably haven't been running that many missions together they've been doing other shit the shit that we've watched will do i mean ianacan's had his his paduan like they've been like that's what also i think struck me so much is like this is the first time they're just it's just them in a long time. Asoka, you're feeling the absence of Asoka because I think Anakin having Osoka there gives him someone

else to like mold, not mold, but like reflect his own behavior off of. Like when Osok is there, he's in master mode. He's in, this is my Padawan. I have someone to look after. I have someone to take care of. That's the mindset of men. When it's

just him and Obi-Wan, it's like we're in attack of the clones where they're like on you know uh uh you know spaceships in the middle of corson jumping from spaceship to you know like that's where i felt like we were we're doing black back flips off of uh you know cars and corson that was like the energy of this and it just felt yeah it's so funny that the here at the end of it all as much as i love the episodes that are like, Asoka leaves the order and like, here's what's really going on in the separatist, you know, Senate and all of the big picture stuff that I do like. I do like it all.

I end up feeling this show could have used more little one-off filler episodes of our crew. And I would have loved more with Asoka, to be clear, too. It's not just, I only like the boys. Like, I wish we'd gotten more. Again, some of my highlights of this entire show are things like the Archer Cadbane is trying to kidnap the Jedi babies. That's just like a wild, ass, one-off arc. It's more than one episode. But, like, and they're all doing shit. And, like, the, the Asoka and Anakin episodes also almost always hit for me because, like,

it's them. It's about their relationship. They're having fun. They're doing adventure shit. And I wish we'd gotten a little more adventure shit here at the end. Season six, obviously, again, for all the reasons we keep talking about is, you know, it was kind of hamstrung on the way in. And it's, what's frustrating is, like, you can see that they also realized that.

They were going to address some of that in the arc. that were in production. I would have had such a better time with season six if this was in there somewhere in the middle. And I still think we probably should have ended on the five's arc. That still feels like the one compared to the Yoda one. I have a production question. So was season six supposed to be even before it got canceled,

the last season of Clone Wars? Or were they, season seven was always planned as well? I think, see, I think they were going to keep making this show as long as they let you keep making this show. Got you, gotcha, got you. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's why there are so many.

If you look at the Star Wars legacy page on Wikipedia, there are so many episodes. We went over those, I think, in a recent previous episode about like how many different ideas did they have for episodes and how many things were in pre-production and it's like a dozen. You know what I mean? They had, they were just, they were a machine. They were rolling, you know? and I think that that makes it it's not as simple as like they were gonna put a tie a bow on it

but I mean the stories are getting there you know what I mean there's only but so much time left so they must have had some sort of a direction right I feel like this feels like such a like a sun setting like we're coming like it's the

sky is bright and we're feeling the emotions really strongly we're it feels like we're in sort of We're in prequel era, Anakin and Obi-Wan. And yet there's the sadness to it. Like, the end of the episode, you still feel like, I think what Allie brought up that is, like, sticking in my mind

is that, like, is that reversion to a previous dynamic, you feel the tension of things being different. Like, as they're, like, sitting in the council room and everything's still uncertain, and everything's still, you know, up in the air, it, the, the feeling between Obi-1 and Anakin is uncomfortable. Like, it feels tense. It's like we've, they were able to escape into their nostalgia for, like, this, like, one last mission, like, one last browing down.

And then it's, like, back to reality that no, Asoka's gone. Truly gone. The Jedi Order is not, you know, what I think it is anymore. more, I, Anakin, like, feels guilt and shame about himself. I'm sure, like, the fact that Asoka made the decision to leave made Anakin feel worse about, like, the, his disconnection with the order. Because Anakin has been doing, quote, unquote, the right thing by not acting in, as an emotional response and staying, according to Obi-1's logic.

Right, right. Pablo Hidalgo, who is who we heard earlier in that Filoni's own, apparently said in 2016 on Twitter, there were 13 arcs left, all of which were previewed in some way at Celebration Europe or Celebration Anaheim or released online. Those are that, that's that list of them that we gave last episode. And then somebody else, Brent Friedman said, by that point in the series, all stories were told in four episode arcs. so again you can extrapolate from there both of those things are true if there were if there truly were four episode arcs and 13 of those four episodes arc left you know you kind of do the math on that and see there's you know 50 episodes left

two more two more full seasons right was in the tank right I don't I suspect that includes the stuff that did get turned into son of Dathamere and rain, et cetera, right? So, yeah, that's how the production was going, it seems. And, of course, the big, like, I think with a lot of these episodes in this season, this fits

that mold, it does feel like things are still drawing to a close also because they keep now hanging different guns on the wall, as it were, that have a lot of, like, Star Wars resonance. And so, like, we get the, you know, as they're trying to escape the ship, they realize, like, we're not going to be able to haul this crystal out here. But Obi-1 has the idea of he's just going to charge it up by hopping into, like, droid tanks and blast the shit out of the crystal until it goes mini, undirected Death Star in the heart of the ship, and he and that can escape as the entire, like, command ship is destroyed from within. being chased by ducu yeah and uh you know at the end of the episode we get Yoda revealing another little nugget of information which is that oh you know there were legends last time the Sith and the Jedi like fought a big war they started doing crazy stuff with Khyber crystal like big Khyber crystal weapons like huge real destructive stuff

and who is it, is it Obi-Wan or Anakin? It's like, those are just legends. Come on. And Yoda points out often a little bit of truth behind those legends. Also, a thousand years, I'm a thousand years, all those practically there. It's so funny that Yoda says the words, in legends, there are truths. When we're talking about this entire arc being taken out of the canon, it's just like, oh. Oh, it's just, it's a...

But you know, no, no, sorry. This is real, again. This happened. But it's been wiped. It's, well, again, it's on DVD. They can't take it out of the lost... If you go by season six of Clone Wars, it's on that disc. And as Pablo said earlier, it is, they, they, you know, it's not, it's so tough.

Because he says, and he's the Star Wars, it's like him and Leland Shee and, uh, I guess Kathleen Kennedy now, right? are the people who run the continuity of Star Wars and Hidalgo says we act as if all of those stories are canon even the ones that got fully unproduced those are true things in our vision of Star Wars

we rely on them in that way they're in the Bible in that way which means that I bet that they I bet there are stuff that that will be made in the next year that references some of this stuff or reworks it or brings it back in in some way you know, whether that's in the upcoming Assoca show or if that's in the second season of Tales of the Jedi or whatever, you know, so. Yeah, I just think it's a funny, like, multiple meaning that we can, like, extrapolate from it.

Because not only is there literally Star Wars legends where so much of things that what were once held true are now, you know, and especially this coming at the time that Disney is acquiring. Star Wars and they're, you know, deciding to kind of reset the canon. But also, like, there is, like, the lowercase L legends of, like, these episodes being lost, of, like, them saying, yes, those episodes don't exist, you know, as produced products, but they exist on our minds and we're using them as reference material. Like, that is essentially what the, what a legend is. just like a referential point that informs your outlook or your perspective of things. How often does Dave want to bring in something from Legends canon, right?

And I think that this stuff is probably a step, it's weird, it's both a step up from there in terms of canonicity, and also you can't rely on people having seen this, right? Right, especially if it's relegated to DVD movie box sets only. feature yeah I mean that's the thing right like the Obi-Wan show could never have said it's like that mission we had on Oudapal like no you can't imagine how much better instead of like that shitty flashback they did a full flashback where it's just this shot this scene why didn't they shoot this scene because you can't count on people know who

Asoka is I guess even though she's in her even though she's getting her own show no now you have to know now you're supposed to know they brought people in from Rebels into that show. It's going to be sweet as hell when Asoka, in the Asoka show, she has a conversation with Ghost Anakin and she's like, I felt like you never even missed me or like looked for me after I was gone. And he's like, actually, you were never far from my thoughts. Let me talk about this wild thing that happened between me and Obi-Wan on Oonapal.

Hey. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. When? How do you become a ghost? Uh, you have.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, hey, hey. When did Anakin learn how to become a ghost? He learned it from Palpatine. Palpatine can't become a ghost. Palpatine knows because... If Palpatine could become a ghost, he wouldn't worry about being an immortal. But the Sith people become ghosts.

No, they don't. That's the whole point. They can't become ghosts. That's why, that's why Revin and Bain got cut from, the mortis arc was because Lucas was like no no no Sith can't become ghosts only Jedi who've gone through

the special training but when Darth Vader goes against Palpatine he unsythes himself but he hasn't learned this technique he hasn't gone through the trials he doesn't need to go through the trials because

Obi-Wan doesn't go through the trials he just fights at Darth Vader twice no because Yoder goes home and teaches Obi-Wan how to do this and then Cligon does So, okay, Yon goes home and teaches Quigon how to finish doing it to become a ghost. Then Quigon teaches Obi-Wan after Obi-Wan Cadoby the TV show, which is bad. We don't even see him teach it, but I guess he does.

Okay, let's say he does. There's the opportunity. The opportunity exists. Where's the opportunity for Vader to learn, type it into Google. When Vader kills Obi-Wan. He just- He's an exchange of knowledge. I guess he's a ghost now as he's touching the clothing with his foot.

Yeah. When he saw that shit happen, he was like, okay, ghost time. I think when Vader turned on Palpatine and threw him down the generator shaft and turned good again, he entered a state of grace that lasted until his death. And in that state of grace, he was just granted the ability to turn into a forced ghost without having gone through necessarily. the Enlightenment. Right. Right. So he was just in that, what is it the, what are the two forces?

Living in cosmic. He was in, he was like on his way to the cosmic force. He was like headed out. And they were like, hold up. Check this out. You can become a ghost now. Beep. Pop, boop.

And then he was like, okay. And then he went into and retained his identity and entered the cosmic force and then showed up immediately. for the award ceremony at the end. Killing Palpatine was like and then dying immediately, it was like the 100x version of like getting hit by a bus

right after confession. Yeah. I guess that makes sense. I mean, he He was the chosen one, I guess. He was the chosen one. That's, that's probably the answer if in the fucking Quora Q&A or like, no, yeah, I'm looking at, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do have that open.

I do have seven different tabs open of different people trying to answer this. And they're all like, oh, well, uh, the living force was just like, you can't have balance, uh, you can't have balance in the forest unless the boys are back to, am I right? And then everyone's like, that's basically right. That's basically right, actually, huh? Yeah.

Right in if you know the answer. I mean, when Anakin is on Mortis, when Obi-Wan, I mean, not Obi-Wan, when Quigone appears to him in Mortis, that's not literally Quigon ghost, like, ghosts showing up. That's Mortis. We don't, that's what the Jedi say.

The Jedi, you know, That's true. Yoda was asking the same question. He was. Uh-huh. The force is just, you know, it's just, it's fine. It's a curious thing. It is a curious thing.

Anyway, that's... Oh, we watch this crystal with a tank a bunch, which is very funny. And then it blows up, and then, yes. Shoots it with like a half dozen tanks. Yeah, he just jumps between a bunch of different tanks. It's very funny. It's a good strat. And then, yeah, the end of this again is Yoda, clearly knowing more that he's letting on.

As everyone in the Jedi Council was like, uh, Yoda, uh, why are you acting like big, big crystals is a thing you knew about already? He's like, ah, well, there are legends that say the Sith used to use big crystals as guns. Should we be worried about this? And Yoda's like, I'm not going to be here. Exactly. He knows. He knows. He's seen it.

Oh, well, says Yoda. We better be on our guards. Bay, like, you sure you don't want to hide out on Alderon? Like, we can keep you, like, super safe there. It's probably the safest place in the galaxy. Big fan of swamps. Love Dagova. All right.

That's Star Wars. That's Clone Wars. the last clone wars we'll see in a long time. Wow. So our next thing is Dark Disciple. Yep. The book,

I almost said series, but that's not right. It is Star Wars Dark Disciple. You'll know it's the right book because it has a cover with Asage Ventris and Quinlan Voss posed in like a sexy battle action. poses. It's so sexy. Written by Christy Golden. I'm excited for it. I started reading it.

I've already... Have you all started it yet? No. No. Okay. There's a conversation basically right away that is incredible because it reveals that the Jedi hadn't thought of a thing before as like a potential solution to their problems. The sort of thing that we would all have thought they would have thought about first. And so get ready for that. Can't wait to get back. immediately.

But before we hit that on the main feed, I think this next thing we're doing, the Q&A. That sounds right. Yeah. So tentatively, the Q&A will be coming at the end of this month, but, like, travel schedules are pretty bonkers these next couple weeks. So, like, we got a tight window we're fitting it into. It's like Luke, like, hitting the exhaust port on the Death Star is us recording the March Q&A. But that is the plan.

And then the next episode on the mainline feed is going to be Dark Disciple. And then Solo. And then Solo. Right? And then Solo. Is it solo next? And then the...

But can you really appreciate Solo without having seen Stanley Kubrick's Paz of Glory? We're going to get to Rebels. I want to get to Revels so bad, especially because I hear the first season, isn't that great. and I want to get through it so we can get into it I want to care about new characters

I want to have like new friends There's plenty of new characters to care about in solo Let me introduce you to a little lady called the Millennium Falcon Spoilers I'm very excited Okay

Okay Dark Disciple and then solo What about the Tarkovsky That I think we should do that When we come back to Clone Wars Before we're right We're right. That's what we decided. Sorry. Yeah. I remember. For people who don't know, the Tarkovsky Clone War series is a 2D animated show.

It's Tartikovsky, right? I always say the wrong one. Yeah, uh, Tarkovsky, the filmmaker. Tardikovsky, the, uh, the animator, uh, different dynamics, different aesthetic, I would say. Though, you know, I think they both, they both have a certain flair for the use of audio and the lack there. of in different ways and dialogue in the lack thereof. Anyway, the Tarnikovsky Clone Wars is a 2D series that started as a bunch of smaller, short, like, five-minute vignettes that lead in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. And because it leaves off literally at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith, and I know that season seven of Clone Wars gets to be kind of co-terminous at the same time with Revenge of the Sim. I think we should watch right before season seven.

So you can see another take on the kind of lead up to Revenge of the Sith. So we'll get there in a while. I have no idea how long rebels is off the top of my head. I don't know how long we'll be covering it. And also presumably at some point in their indoor season two will hit. So. Damn. As a reminder, we're going to end up probably covering Mando season three as a bonus episode after it's done.

So people have been sending me questions. about it and I've been like I don't watch it yet so yeah don't spoil it for us please don't spoil it for us please but uh yeah but again coming up next patreon backer Q&A if you'd like to hear that or you just want to support the show you can do so at patreon.com slash civilized until next time please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice and remember you got to get tight with your boys that's the that's the fucking moral why wasn't that the Jedi moral at the beginning of this arc. Should have been.

You could say in some ways Duky Jedi Lost also indicates a lot of times the Jedi were maybe too tight with their boys in like ways that escalate into cover up territory. I think it was okay for just one little side.

Silly cover up. Who among us has not hidden a child inducted that child into one's martial religious order and had them commit murder for hire

If we ever need to take another Like not a break But like a break We can take a break It's fine We're allowed to do that We can skip it a week And be like

Hey everybody's sorry We had to miss this one We just just wild If we ever really need Like an emergency button Or we're like Uh oh The feed is dry

We should just drop The Duke of Jedi Lost episode And the main feed So the people can have it You know, until then, you're going to have to subscribe to Patreon.com slash civilized to go here. Sorry, it wasn't our intention to bury a critical text in the Patreon feed, but that's just how it worked out. It just worked out that way. It really did.

All right. Until, until next time, until Q&A, that'll do it for us. I'm going to be able to be. I don't know. We're going to be, I'm going to be. I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be.

I'm going to be able to be.