A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 61: Solo: A Star Wars Story

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

Here we are. Our final diversion before we finally arrive at Rebels. And what a diversion it is. A couple of really good heists. A couple of great performances. Solid props and sets. An incredibly paced, 60 minute film. I'm sorry. Huh? You're telling me... you're saying that's not even half the movie? It what? It botches a droid liberation arc? They do what with the droid freedom fighter's still living mind? Who shows up???? Oh, right. That one we knew already. Next Time: Star Wars Rebels Shorts ("The Machine in the Ghost, "Art Attack," "Entanglement," "Property of Ezra Bridger") and Episodes 01-02 ("Spark of Rebellion") You can support the show and gain access to a monthly Q&A cast by going to patreon.com/civilized Show Notes Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Austin Walker Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)    

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zackney, joined by Ali Akampura, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. Today we are taking a little detour before we get into Rebels, and no, I'm not talking about Star Wars detours. Instead, to stop us repeating the undeniably awesome bit where Natalie is stunned. How did you re-learn once again? There's confusion about the bit, Rob. Because there are lots of people out there who are on the Natalie side of it. Can you explain the bit as we understand it?

Well, it's... I would love to hear this. It emerged so organically that I didn't realize it was a bit until we were deep in it. But every time we have alluded to the fact that Darth Mall's ultimate fate, like what we know of what becomes of him, is sort of made clear by the end of solo and the way he appears in the story, Natalie has had a comic double-take overreaction to that news,

which she has almost certainly heard multiple times before. It's four or five times in this point. It's not four or five. It's maybe two. Between main feed and Q&A, it's definitely not two because it was two in the previous episode alone. it's minimum four it's probably five we've been doing the podcast for years that's we have it

not that many times it's i will say i will say i can imagine it being in the end of phantom menace and then i can imagine it being at the end of the brothers arc where he where we're like well what happens to him and one of us goes we mentioned because it had to have happened at least once it's minimum four because the previous time it came up we always went, Natalie, we've talked about this. This is why I think it's five times. So I think the first time it comes up, you're adding another time.

I'm absolutely fair the first time it comes up. The second time it comes up, totally fair. Who remembers what happened in she and see solo? I haven't seen solo. Well, now I have, yeah. The third time it comes up, we go Natalie, and then four, five was last episode. And that's what we decided we needed to watch this movie.

Yes. Now, maybe we had been so vague in the previous. approaches, that Lister didn't put it together, but I thought we were being very, I was afraid we were being spoilery with the previous mentions. Well, this is important Clone Wars legacy stuff anyway. Two whole characters are mentioned. Two, I, two people, I was like, why haven't we watched this already? And there's Andor overlap, because an Andor character shows up in this.

Everyone is here. Everyone is at solo. and we had to go there and it wasn't going I was not my brain did not take flight until I saw those words on my TV

a long a long time ago how's it go a long time ago you got this in a galaxy far far away there you go

Star Wars And that was Star Wars And then now I know everything that happened Right That was my first note Oceans are now Battlefields type thing But we'll get to that That was my first point

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at It's a more civilized age at Gmail, right? Mm-hmm. I always forget if we keep the indefinite article up front. But yeah, A More Civilized Age at gmail.com.

Before we get into this, I'm just curious. Had we all, like, who had seen the movie before and this was a revisit and then who was seen it for the first time? So it was, uh, Natalie was seen for the first time. Rest of us had seen it once. Could you imagine if I was like, actually, I have seen solo. I would totally believe it. I would be like, yes, of course you've seen solo.

Java has a son? Darth Vader has kids. these are all great this is all con this is I love it because you know who also sounds like that sometimes

George Lucas they're laser swords yeah uh huh yeah I'm just curious like for those of who'd seen it

before like the movie made much of an impression on y'all before because like I was kind of taken aback by

I think how little I remembered the movie but it was a better movie than I would have thought based on like how little any of it had stuck like if that makes sense I feel like I mostly remembered it

I feel like I didn't remember how it was paced yeah it's so the pacing on the front half is so good and so quick and you're always at a new place and you're seeing new shit for me anyway and then the back half of the movie also happens and I remembered all the main events

but I didn't it I wasn't like thinking about this movie. It didn't make a capital eye impression. I remember being generally higher on it as like a Star Wars story than the Star Wars fandom was. With the note that I was annoyed by a lot of the Hans Solo references and like, or just like, this is a movie about Easter eggs. This is a movie about saying, I have a bad feeling about this 30 times, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And that's the stuff that I didn't like when I first saw it and I still don't love that stuff now but I don't know I had there was a train heist I like a train

heist Woody Harrelson's fucking great you know um you know Ali where were you um I value hot solo really highly as a character as a person

um so I've been pretty low on this movie for as I've seen it I saw it in theaters when it came out and then were you so excited for it? I know. I had tepid.

Because like the most recent Star Wars movies have always been like, they're good. You know? I wasn't like expecting a banger ever. And it had people went into it knowing that like the production changed. Yeah. Directors changed. Which by the way, in the last episode,

do anybody know what we said directed this movie? We said you got, you were like, it's a lord and who's the other person? And I was like, oh. Miller? Oh, Lord and Taylor, like the department store. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we all, listen, we all say some shit on this podcast, we included. But yes, Lorden Miller, different duo.

We're replaced by Ron Howard, a thing that is the most obvious thing in the world. This is such a Ron Howard-ass movie. There are a moments when the music swells, and it's like only a diseased mind could have decided this is a moment the music not to swell instead of being tense. or and like only someone who is Ron Howard's vision of like the humanocentric vision of assent is always going to be pushed onto this film even a moment where you're supposed to be biting your nails and like yeah okay Ron Howard made this movie you know it's Chase and Spielberg so got to be Ron Howard but it is like I did have a moment when I was watching it when the Kessel Run is happening and I was like oh there's 50

minutes left. Oh. Why is that? Yeah. How long is this movie? Do you want to have the runtime? Two or fifteen minutes. Yeah.

It can't be. You got to cut 30 minutes off this movie. I would say like, I didn't check my watch until an hour had gone by. I was like, that flew by. And then I checked my, I started checking the progress bar multiple times as the movie went along where I was like, oh, there's a quite a bit left. It's a real tale of two movies for me. I really like the first half of this movie.

I don't really like it. I think this first half of this movie is a fun Star Wars story. It's like four fun Star Wars stories. And then the back half of this movie just goes. Not goes as in, yo, it went. Goes in like, I got a E. I got a go. I'm going to check the Wikipedia, actually.

Y'all wrap this up. I'll just read what happens. Yeah. I guess, you know, we can just get into it. The summer's going to take me a minute because this is a movie with a lot of vets. Yes. I just want to cover them in the. I'll try the best not to interrupt.

And I promise I'm trying to keep it moving. But yeah, in broad outlines, this is a movie with a central plot that moves through, that tells that central plot through a series of heists and scam vignats. We meet Han Solo and his girlfriend, Kira, as young thieves being held in thrall by a fagin-like gang leader, Lady Proxima, who has turned the sewers of Corellia into a sprawling layer. Han has already betrayed Proxima by the time the film opens, holding back some loot, so he and Kira can make their escape off-world.

The escape goes bad, and Kira is recaptured by the gang. Well, Han is left with nowhere to go, but the Imperial Academy. We jump forward three years to find him stuck in the Imperial Infantry on a bloody campaign of Conquest that is interrupted by the appearance of a gang of undercover thieves led by Tobias Beckett, played by Woody Harrelson, his partner, Val, played by Tandy Newton, and their pilot Rio, voiced by John Favreau. He tries to blackmail the gang into taking, him with them because they're pretending

to be imperial officers. But they sell him out to his CEO and he is tossed into a monster pit for the amusement of his imperial guards, but the monster turns out to be none other than Chewbacca. The two brawl briefly and then they figure out a way to escape together

and having shown so much moxie, Beckett relents and allows Chewy and Han to join the gang. The gang are all different types of potential mentors for Han. Beckett is a hardened criminal mastermind of the soft spot. Val is a calculating but loyal pragmatist, and Rio is a happy go-lucky hot-shot flyboy who eschews deep connections for a life of adventure and pleasure.

But the mentorship is cut short as the gang's first job together is also their last. A disastrous train heist of the hyperfuel that plays such a key role throughout this movie is interrupted by a gang of Mad Maxian Marauders led by the menacing Enfist Nest, which leaves Rio and Val dead and Beckett in deep debt to the Crimson. and Don criminal syndicate. That sounds like a lot. Guess what? We're not even halfway done the movie.

We are not. Yeah. Uh-huh. Beckett takes Chewy and Solo to meet the head of Crimson Dawn, Dryden Voss. Don't get excited. I'm pretty sure there's no relation here at all. No relation. Dryden boss, played by Paul Bettany here, who was replacing, I guess, Michael K. Williams, who was originally. Oh, is that real?

Is that? Shut the fuck up. Really? this comes up in at least Matthew Zolarsight's review that originally, I think it was going to be an alien voiced by... Betney does great. Betany's fine as a villain here, but... He is, but yeah, and it wouldn't have been a full

like Michael K. Williams' performance because I think it would have been an alien. Oh, also not as good. And I think the reason it fell apart was because they needed him to come do like body scanning stuff for further reshoots, and he was like, nah. Just cast him. Just let him be...

Weird, weird that Paul Bettany then got the part and didn't have to be an alien? And just had some weird scar. is in his face. Anyway, they go to see Dryden Voss and who should turn out to be his lieutenant, but Kira. She sees that Voss

is going to execute Beckett and his companions for screwing up the heist and so endorses a half-ass plan of solos to steal unrefined hyperfuel from beneath the spice mines of Kessel. Voss goes along with the plan but also puts the responsibility and the blame for the plan

on Kira's shoulders depending on which way it goes. So she is sent with the mission. The plan requires a fast ship, for which the only solution is enlisting the aid of Lando Calrissian, his first mate L3, and their Millennium Falcon. Han tries to beat Lando at Savak, but is cheated with a winning hand, but Lando is still interested enough in the heist that he comes along anyway. The heist itself turns into a massive prison riot and mass uprising led by the droid rights crusading L3, during which L3 is. Sorry, her full name, please. L337. Thank you.

during which L3 is killed and her navigation data-filled memory core is installed into the Falcon's computer gang barely escapes the black hole surrounding Kessel and crash lands at the off-the-grid binary station to process the raw hyperfuel only to capture

My girl never leaving me I'm so I this is why we had to watch this movie because I need to talk about this and he hates this movie but yeah I mean it's so bad This part sucks This is below the basement

We got a second basement And this is in there So anyway They landed off the grid refinery station But they are captured immediately By Enfuss Nest Who reveals she is leading an uprising Of people who have been

Whose lands have been exploited And brutalized by the Empire And the Crimson Don For the planet's resources Han decides to throw in with Nest, but Beckett parts ways and tells Han to come work with him on tattooing, where some major gangster is putting together a big score. However, when Han and Kira go to run their scheme on Voss, they find he has already been tipped off by Beckett, who then promptly turns on Voss the minute he sees a chance to steal the hyperfuel in suing struggle.

Beckett escapes. Voss is killed by Kira, who tells Han she will be right behind him. as he goes off to confront Beckett Kira takes Voss's signet ring and uses it to open a channel to Crimson Guard, Crimson Dawn Crime Crime Lord

Mall who accepts Kira's story and tells her to come to Dathamir to come work with him. Begand Solo have a final confrontation which Solo shoots Beckett where he can draw first, but he gets the long weighted disillusionment Beckett has warned him

about as he sees Kira take Voss's yacht and leave him behind. He refused to sign on with Nest, who is dedicating her life to rebellion, and the film ends as we see him and Chui trekked on Lando in another card game where they turn the tables on him to win the falcon and set themselves on the trajectory that will bring them to the start of the original trilogy. That's the movie. That's it. Do you want to start at the start? Where do we want to start? I think the open title is already interesting.

The fact that they don't do a crawl. no they do the long time ago in a galaxy far far away and then they tell us that fuel matters for the first time it is a lawless time crime syndicates compete for resources food medicine and hyperfuel all caps and then it keeps going it's a bit verbose really these these opening title cards

yeah you couldn't fit it on a text crawl actually no it just keeps you go um it You know, the Fowl Lady Proxima has a bunch of kids doing scores, but one of those kids, a young man named Han Solo, and we join him mid-heist. Doing a trick that they do throughout the movie, which is this kind of, like, they do a lot of, like, flashes of light to highlight a situation.

He's trying to, in this moment, hot wire car, and, like, the sparks from the wires are lighting up. There's a similar shot later when, L3 when Leet saws into a, like an impound yard to get the falcon. And the whole crew is like the flashing of the lights looking very dramatic. That was all over the trailers for this movie. And it's like such a nothing moment, but it looks very dramatic. So I need to, Natalie drop something in the chat here.

Men in L.A., get off your phones and stop becoming influencers. We need gaffers. These shows dark as hell. fancy shit. Natalie, I swear to God, during this opening scene, I started fucking

with my TV settings trying to figure out why is it so fucking dark. Okay, so I followed this Twitter account called Star Wars Shots in Order, which just goes through

like all of Star Wars and like posts all the shots in order or whatever. And what, like funnily enough, they started doing solo like right before we were going to

watch it so I was like kind of avoiding the account but I saw like the first like 10 or so tweets or whatever and all of them were dark as hell and I was like what the fuck and then I saw someone retweet I was trying to look for the original tweet I saw someone on my timeline like retweet one of the Star Wars shot in order tweets with that image which is one of my favorite uh film crew memes um and it's true like this This entire movie is dark as hell. It's been doused in the sludge. It's so, and like there are elements of it that I think,

it's hard because I think it's like really trying to commit to it like a cinematic style and like a very, you know, like strong visual language of just like a lot of like kind of grays, not a lot of color. like we're in the dark things aren't like very obvious things are ambiguous but it doesn't fit like the vibe of the story or the writing or it just it feels so incongruous with the rest of the movie and even some of like the cinematography itself like doesn't lend itself to these like dark or even like blue light lit kind of shots yeah I think the score is a thing worth hitting here because if this open Corellia stuff was scored like a cool cyberpunk story

we might feel different not feel differently about not being able to see anything i mean that that's that's a core problem but there would at least be some sort of overlap on that vibe but this whole movie is just we talked a lot of the andor score we've talked a lot about clone wars being able to like go out in different directions with music sometimes not this movie this movie is doing star wars yes yes yes no The other thing I would say about the, let's call it, like, the color grading here is that I'm okay with, like, if you're making Corelia dark, like, it's sort of a noiry setting, that's fine, but the problem is, like, if we think about, like, great film noir, the frames aren't dark. They are high contrast. They are, like, it's just cut, but they're, like, harsh light and, like, deep shadows and, like, lines cutting across the, being thrown across the frame from the way things are lit.

everything in Crowley is mostly just dark when Han's racing along at night that should be pretty dynamic sequence of like the lights flashing past and like the you know the lights of the displays and then the darkness of the night but you don't get that

instead I'm sitting there it's like everything's kind of like it's like gray film has been applied over my screen that I can't quite remove and it gets worse when they get into Lady Proxima's like tunnel layer can't see shit in there

yeah like and it should get better when you get to the space station not the space station but the space yard space port where it's like oh this is classic film noir stuff of like you're inside of an institutional space and there's big windows they're supposed to be like big you know uh striking beams of light cutting through the now it's all just very flat like there are big windows in there but the whole thing just feels like mush you know yeah it is really mushy and i do like proxema as a puppet though i want to say that here and now i like the big sewer

fucking centipede alien with jewelry on. I'm here for her. I wish her well. I hope her life, I hope she flourishes down there. She recovered from her... The sunburn. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. It looked pretty painful.

She's helping people. She's taking... She's mother. She's like basically... She's giving mother. She's giving mother. She's giving like better mother Talzin. Like, it seems like less self-interested.

definitely spreading the wealth a little bit more with the rations like it seems like she's running a you know a tight operation over there Mother Chalzin's just all over the place tight operation

having kids going out to two fence deals to seal fucking hyperfuel which again I just want to hit this really briefly this whole movie is about how valuable hyperfuel is both refined and unrefined We learned that one of the primary sources eventually is in one place in the entire galaxy, and those people who run it are like only a little important. They're not a big deal.

Since when? Since when did we care about fuel in star? Is it just like our primary characters don't ever need to worry about where their fuel is coming from? People go to hyperspace all the time. They hold a little tiny canister of it and like, this is worth so much money. It's a weird thing because, like, when they use it, it's nitrous for engines, basically. Yes, the Star Wars engines are running on some sort of like fantasy fusion. But you feed them a little bit of this hyperfuel and Katie bar the door.

And there's a consequence to this that is not in the movie, but is in the extended book. And I'll talk about that with the end of the story. That's about where the big McGuffin of this huge crate. of space fuel ends up landing that I think is interesting and speaks to my question of like damn is this the first time we've cared about this in mainline Star Wars stuff

that isn't expanded universe books you know anyway yeah I mean and we do like a little bit of character establishing stuff here where Han is already in his first real act of rebellion here he's decided this is his last day working for this

you know again this Fagan character who is having kids running around doing her dirty work and so when she starts out because he's come back empty handed or telling her he's empty handed but that's bullshit he's actually sitting

on some really valuable stuff he's just not giving it to her because this is his ticket off world and she kind of intuits that but yeah you do get the sense that like she's exasperated but she like it doesn't necessarily feel like he's in deep danger yet

Right? She's, she's very much in this mode of like, what am I going to do with you? Like, why do you not get the message here about what your job is? Like, why do you not, where are you not towing the line? And we see Kira's approach when she sort of intercedes because Han, Han like takes the whoopin stick from one of the guards, whoops him with it, and he's like, I'm done being hit. And then, like, we're just going to shoot you. Kira intervenes. And, like, proximate his reaction to Kira is actually even more, like,

but you're the good you're the good child like why are you throwing why are you getting on my bad bad side for han of all people um and her initial thing is like we'll figure out a way to make it right let's figure out a way forward you know we'll be we'll make good on this with some other deal which ends up being a recurring this is the life the life is coming up short and then promising to do it right the next time and we see a multiple characters take that position over the course of play, including Kira again, Beckett, and even Han himself at some points.

And I think here we get our first moment where this is a little too Star Lord of a Han Solo for my tastes. He does the So we're going to do the whole like, I'm holding a thermal detonator thing. But one, when they played that beat in Return of the Jedi, I actually had

a thermal detonator and it was like hard as hell. Two, it's an obvious, like, he's holding a rock. She calls him on it. You're holding your rock. You made a little clicking sound in your mouth. It's fun. No, it's not. Yeah.

It's, hey, we really like, it's not just Star Lord. There's an entire generational thing of like deadby sympathetic hero type characters, like the fun goofball heroes who are like super non-threatening.

It's Andy from Parks and Rec, which is also Star-Lore. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. But I would say it also starts with like, I mean, this was a lot of the vibe of like everything happening in Firefly, which predates that. Mal is very much in that mode too.

And Tudix character in that even more so. Oh, even more. Yeah. So like there's this entire mode of like comedy action hero masculinity that is also deeply unserious. Like, I think, I see a scene like this, and I think about Axel Foley in Beverly Hills Cop, where, like, that is a funny character, that is a goofy character, and then he can drop a entire register, and, like, he's not somebody to be trifled with. And after these opening scenes, it's going to be very hard for you to take this Han Solo seriously, which is never a problem you had with Ford's Han Solo. That's the thing, right? I think this is a misunderstanding of, this is, this is, Han Solo had a lot of kids, and a lot of them, were of this type of like you know a snarky adventurer who is you know pretends to be a step

away from everybody but still has a scoundrel the heart of gold like that archetype has been re and misinterpreted many times i say misinterpreted here because it's actually on solo it's not just someone else trying to put their spin on it um and yeah he he comes across his goofball he's he has goofball energy in this movie um and i know that that there's a degree of like sometimes you tell that story to show how you get to be the person who you are later Andor in Andor is

disaffected and distant but by the time we get to Rogue One he is this committed revolutionary who's down for the cause and has a great deal of camaraderie with his pals you're telling the story of how you get there I think that that's totally fine but I it feels it doesn't it just doesn't land here

he isn't a character who I'm interested in pulling those sorts of stuff it's why I I think Beckett is the more interesting character here because he feels at least grounded and he can still get off some jokes you know well go for it well I was just going to say the whole like Han's whole like moral question

that you're setting because in in Andor it's it's his dedication to the rebellion like how do we get to that that being his main motivation in in the original trilogy it's how does Han put other people before himself and learn how to, like, give a shit, basically and, like, care about something bigger than just, like, the next score.

And then this, his origin is that, like, he would do anything for someone he loved. Already. Already. Already. It was always already that guy. And then you don't end, like, the way you, you wrap it is, like, want to join the rebellion? Not this time, but the next time I'm in this, I will, I guess. But, like, he's not even, like, a goofball is not even a part of his, like, moral quandary later.

Like, it's not even, like, you're too goofy, you need to get serious. Like, it just doesn't, like, it doesn't make any sense. Like, what, what Harrison Ford's Han Solo is, like, hymbo, like, suave, cocky, but, like, like, put, you know, puts his foot in his mouth. That's, he's not a goofball. He's just kind of. dick. Like, that's, that's not goofy. It's, like, that 70s, like, machismo, like, but, like, but lovable. He never, like, arrogantly calls someone princess in this movie. Yeah, exactly. He's never, like, talking down to anybody in this movie, is he?

They have a little bit of Chewy. Every once in a while, he kind of, like, digs at Chewy. But, like, himself is kind of, like, mean to people. Yeah. He calls Luke a farm boy repeatedly as a way to degrade him. He does do the kiddo thing. He says kiddo. To who? He says it to...

He's kiddo. I know. That's what threw me off about it in the moment. He says it to someone, and I was like, you're supposed to be the kid in this. Enfis? Maybe it's Enfist. Yeah, I think it's Enfis. Yeah, but I think there's also a thing where it's like, this entire

this entire type of hero I think it starts out as a bit subversive right like where but the thing is like I also think Nathan Philean was capable of drawing things from a role like that that like made the entire thing work but in a lot

of hands again particularly Star Lord what the fuck is the actor's name Chris Pratt Chris Pratt there's like you hit a point where it's like you know I would actually love to see a movie about a man

and not a man child and that's just kind of like and have Han Solo sort of introduced here as another man child protagonist is a bit of a it's a bit of a bummer

but I will I'll give Aaron Reich this I don't think he ends up there I think he gets some good moments later but like I think the movie serves up a lot of these like he's a lovable goofball stuff and really so much of that is

stemming from the particular circumstances of the Falcon not jumping the hyperspace in front of a girl he's trying to impress in Empire Strikes Back. Yeah. Like, Alie, you are... Go ahead. Go ahead.

Oh, well, I was just like, it's interesting because it's not like this movie is poorly acted, right? Like the performance of the character that is in this movie is a good one. It's just not a good Han Solo. And it's such a shame

that like the reaction to this was like, now we can't recast anybody because people didn't like solo the Star Wars story and it's a shame because like I there's different things happening here that make it unsatisfying and it's not

the performance. Yeah, Alden Alden Einreich is Eynrich Is it Alden Ehrerich? Erenerich? Enerick. It's great. Like he's like I

buy his lines like it's It's a totally fine performance. It just doesn't, it's not, it's not, it's not directed as Han. Like that you could have all of the same writing pretty much and just like play it differently. And it would, it could be more Han. It is what I said to y'all a week ago or three days ago, whatever that was on our channel where I said I have a great tip for anyone who hasn't watched solo yet. Pro tip. Pro tip. Pretend this is a move.

movie about a different guy. What's his name? No idea. Definitely not Han Solo, just another different Star Wars guy. I'd like half of this movie a lot more if I'm just like, damn, yeah, this kid grew up on Corellia 2, like, and got his way out and like wound up doing some scams. Damn, it seems like a thing that might happen, okay. Especially because like, again, by the end, I actually would be if they're like, we're making a bunch more Star Wars movies with like Alden Aaron Rex Star Wars guy. I'd be like, fuck yeah. I'm curious to know what happened to this guy. Because the thing that takes all the air out of it is we have to get to tattooing to meet that big gangster. And so there's no tension about what's going to happen to this guy.

And it makes, like, the arc he's on profoundly uninteresting because it's the Leia and Obi-Wan thing. He has to be basically fully formed as a recognizable Han Solo. At this point. In this movie, despite the fact the actual change happens much later, it's supposed to happen. But again, prequels can work. And it's the fact that we're saying we already know what happens to him is indicative of failures of this story to keep our minds off of that. And in fact- It's Leia and Obi-Wan.

Right. That's, yeah, exactly. Well, and again, it's don't remind me of a better movie. And unfortunately, we've already mentioned both the Jabba the Hut thing and the thermal detonator scene. Every scene in this movie has some reference to some other future Han Solo shit. It's nonstop. It happens constantly, and it's so frustrating because I like, I like those other movies more than what I'm watching here. That's, yeah.

I guess that just, that's the thing that makes bringing Mall into this so confusing to me. We have to wait until we get to Mall. We cannot have the Mall conversation. So, he throws his little rock through the window and Lady Proximately gets burned by the sun, you know, a reference. to the great, you know, Soviet, you know, late Soviet era drama.

But he goes on a, he leads around a car chase as they try to race to the spaceport. And I will say this, like, movie doesn't look great. The car chase is not super exciting, but I do love watching Star Wars stuff

be Star Warsing. I love the big unfinished star destroyers, hovering in the sky above. I love the cranes. Like, you get the sense of the scale of the Star Destroyers. shield generators being like building sized as it's sort of crane like craned into the sky and the other thing's kind of uh cool here is that at least in this this sort of fast of the empire

we are saying the empire does not bring order to places like this it permits a tremendous amount of disorder and does not care and we see that unfolding the car chase goes right past several imperial patrols and it's only when they are directly affected Did they intervene? And when they're in the spaceport, trying to get off world, we see, like, the Proxima's, like, the hunting team effectively comes in there with tracker dogs to try to, like, just haul people out of line. And the stormtroopers, the, you know, port authority officials, nobody does shit. Because that's not, they aren't here to do that. They aren't, they aren't police on this world.

Corellia is a factory, and they don't care what happens outside the factory walls, provided the factory keeps working. You get the impression that they've been told, like, oh, yeah, those are proximate people. Don't fuck with proximate people. Let them come through and pick up whoever they're looking for. They're helping them out. Less trouble for us in the long run. Yep. And then we get the bribery scene at the gate.

We get, you know, trying to get, trying to get, they go to the space station to try, or space port to try to get off world. They have one little piece of this hyperfuel, one little cylinder, and they're going to try to bribe their way onto, you know, past security, onto a ship with it. It's very funny that every single, like, it's hyperfuel every time. Like, for every one of these things, it's hyperfuel again. Well, we got to go back for more. It's the fucking Yoda-Olive's meme, but for hyperfuel. And I'm telling you now, and I'll give me the answer later, where the hyperfuel ends up is like,

why that's the case and the fact that they don't put that in this movie is very strange to me so when we get to the end and I'll tell you where it goes okay I do find it funny that

like you also just get a sense of what a despairing place the spaceport is it is all it's like it is the it's the bus terminal

at a border crossing effectively is the vibe of it nobody has the right papers if you don't have the right papers if you don't have the right paper What are you been doing here? Why are you wasting anyone's time? It's understaffed.

The lines are long. People are being hauled out, you know, at random by cops or there's gangsters just sort of, you know, prowling around the terminal. And you do get this sense of, and I think this has been sort of ongoing. Certainly I think Andor is also clearly working in this mode. But it's so easy to think of the empire as the, like, Orderly serried ranks that we see, you know, of the troops drawn up in parade formation for the emperor in Return of the Jedi or the, you know, implacable, like, march of machinery that we see in Empire Strikes Back. And here it is, you know, an indifferent customs and border patrol. Yeah.

You know, it is a, it is an uncaring bureaucracy, not powerless, but also not. But fumbling. and corrupt and filled with people who are often bored there are some great moments in the stations the terminal where their stormtroopers

is kind of like staring at their feet or just kind of being like another day you know and even the border guard herself or the border agent herself very clearly

is not she is not chest out proud of being part of the imperial machine but she scared of losing her job job like she dimes them out not because she's betraying them because the minute so he grabs kira's hand and he is first through the like checkpoint and then right as they are crossing the guys with the trackers catch kira and they're like not so fast and the border guard panics sounds the alarm

that uh there's been a breach and my read on that is like she wasn't going to do that to them but the minute something out of the ordinary happened at her checkpoint she had to cover up that she has just like taken a bribe effectively right um and so like yeah there's there's this vibe of like and i think this is something else that i think this is that this is a thing i do like about this movie quite a bit uh it is the way there's an entire theme in this movie that

people in the scum and villainy but really just down in the margins of Star Wars, they can't trust each other. And it's not because they're all, like, that human nature is inherently, like, corrupt or fallible. It is that if you're not corruptible, you have vulnerabilities, and somebody's going to inevitably use them against you and force you to do something against your will. Or, you know, maybe you are corruptible, and it's just eventually you will meet your price because you just, because you need to sell at some point.

And I'm running through this entire film is the sense of these are all. people who were just waiting to either find themselves completely leveraged in a situation or completely steamrolled by someone with more power and, you know, just trying to figure a way to scramble out from under it. And I think we get a taste of that here, just in this brief interaction at the border crossing. He promises Kerry is going to come back to her for her, but, you know, with the station on locked down. He doesn't know how to get out, except there's a big ass opening of System Shock 2 recruitment center, parked there at the end of the

room, and it's just like join the Imperial Service. And he just walks in. The, the, uh, be a part of something. Join the empire. Explore new worlds. Learn valuable skills. Bring order and unity to the galaxy. As what is. is playing an Imperial March The Imperial March Diagetically

Yeah Which They stole From Rebels An episode of Rebels We haven't seen yet Deploys this year A few years before

This does I believe If I'm getting my dates Right on this This is what 2018 They didn't steal it off And that's an Easter egg It's an Easter egg

Yeah I don't like The diet I don't like Diagetic I don't like that being diagetic That's like too

Outside of That I've heard is importantly changed in a major way which is kind of funny so when we get to that in Rebels I think season one of Rebels we're not that far away from it

so be on the listen out for it and yeah we get Han signing up what's everybody think about the name reveal here's pissing me off I think the dude playing the guard the enlistment officer's doing a good job

yeah it's just again just the terrible the scene has to get to this point because everything up to that is like yeah should I just drop this I mean I'll drop this in and it begins by him saying Han is like

I want to join up with the Air Force or with the you know I would have be a pilot he's like I don't hear that much you know most people sign up for the infantry and he goes well how long will it take me to be a pilot or something like that and the guy says well

depends how good you are following orders well have you got someone to be yeah back here as soon as you can Don't hear that much. What's your name, son? Hunt. Um, what? Who are your people?

I don't have people. I'm alone. Um... Solo. Solo. Approved. You see to transport ID 83 for the Naval Academy at Corita. Good luck, Hans Solo.

We'll have you flying in no time. He can't even choose his own name. Please, say more. He can just be a cool person and, like, have his own identity. Why couldn't his name just be solo? Why does it have to be, like, a fucking... Well, he's supposed he's like, I don't have people. Jump cut 70 minutes from now.

He's like, my dad used to be an engineer. Right. What was your dad's last? Your dad didn't have people or last name either? I mean, that's fine if he didn't. But like, he didn't. You were at his workplace with him and he wasn't like, here's what our family name. It never came up.

Maybe he gave it up. Did you give up your family name at one point? Like, what happened? I don't know. His name could just be solo. Like, it could just be my friend's name. is like is solo like that's just a name out there like you could just have like it doesn't have to be literally a bit it was already there it was already kind of a bit and now you really made it

into a bit and again if this wasn't han solo and this was a sequence where an imperial officer gave someone else a last name and then that became the name that they used that would be kind of fun that's kind of a fun thing for a little you know street rat scoundrel to have happened to him but it's not Han Solo a different character do you know what I mean I don't have you know it to believe that the Han Solo that we see in the the original trilogy would have kept that name for that long and like not had a different identity because why would he be so attached to this one in the first place is is ridiculous right the version of this where it's someone named

Bonn instead of Han and the officer goes we got to put something down and then looks at the clock and it's, it's midnight and goes, Bon Midnight. And you're like, oh, shit, let's go. Bond Midnight is here. Fine. But that's not the same dude. And again, the guy, the officer, the guy playing the officer does a pretty good job. He's like, there's something kind of funny about the way they present the person in that

role, but he's technically a recruiter. So he's going to be a little more warm than the officer who's at the border. He wants to, you know, he's there to make you come in and to tell you, yeah, you could be a pilot, it'll be tough, but you could do it. There's a cut scene here that is a deleted scene of Han doing space training. We actually see one of the, in that deleted scene, one of those like interdictor ships from that Luther, or that Luthin fucks up in Andor. It shows up in that deleted scene.

You know, it's not even worth digging into that scene necessarily, but. It just shows that Han doesn't take orders because he's, because he's doing a combi Ashumaru thing where he's like, no, I can save everyone in this scenario and they're like, that wasn't the assignment. And so then he gets bounced out to the inventory. But what we lose there is an admittedly very funny edit, a very great, a good cut from we'll have you flying in no time. Cut two, three years later, Han Solo flying through the air as he has been like blasted by artillery. Yeah. I, it just then it just annoys me even more because why would why would the person that you're just

immediately after this moment, setting up to be someone that doesn't take orders from anyone, doesn't like, doesn't like authority, doesn't want to you know, wants to be free is going to keep being a Han Rando guy giving him name

solo for the rest of his life. Well, and the other thing, so in the old in the oldest pan universe, but like this, like, the whole thing with his fucking pants with the red trim, right? The Krillian blood stripe.

I think it was called. You have to explain this. So the pants hot is wearing in the first film have a... The center stitch on the exterior, like on the outside of

the leg, is done up in a thick blood red band of like piping. And like, I think it's just a costume with decision gets turned into

this is sort of these are like his like almost dress uni pants from both like his time and imperial service but they also have a decoration the Krillian blood stripe that denotes something or other

I can't remember what but the point like the reason this was made a thing out of was that like in the old EU what they would try to get at is for a little while there Han did try to tow the line, right? That Han did try and go do the, like, I'm going to be an

imperial pilot and officer thing. And actually, I think in that continuity, it was Chewy. Like, he comes across, like, chewy in slavery and it's like, I can't be down with this anymore. I'm going to bust this guy out and we're getting dessert. But, like, I think something that, because they got to keep hitting this beat of, like, he's always such a rebel. He just doesn't take orders. It's like, well, then that's not a very interesting arc that he ends up in the Imperial Service literally just as a bus to get out of town. And then is like, hey, y'all are just like drones following orders, man. Like, why don't we think about what we're doing? It makes his journey, it's not a journey, right? Like, he's never in it. He's never of it. Three years have

gone by. And he's just like, I don't know, man. You know, you're, ever, occurred to you that we're the invaders here and it's their planet? He really did say that. Which is like he's not wrong but why like three, yeah. We are the hostels. We are the disease.

We are the parent. You're not bringing anything new to the people here. Yeah. And he just wasn't allowed to have a bad belief at any point. He wasn't allowed to be like, you know what? Crowley sucks, but I want to make the galaxy a better place. And Imperial Service is going to help me do that.

And then three years later, he's like, well, this is not worked out well at all. And I'm not sure that it's making the galaxy a better place. But instead, no, he's always got to be like, the empire sucks. Which is the Leia Obi-Wod thing again, right? He has to already be fully formed from the moment we meet him. He can't possibly have a blemish of being someone different than who we first see him as, except the ways that they get him wrong, which is fine. The scene on, what's the planet's name?

Ah, this is an important one Because we finally get to see something That we've talked about before Where are they? They're on Mimbaum This is where Andor says he did All that time Fighting the Imperials

This is what that fighting was like So he's on the other side of this trench war Yes And so when he says that And Lutheran is like You ran away from Mbomb This is what he ran away from Under fucking standably

Because this is is Warhammer 40,000. This is Imperial Guard shit. Like, it's wild. I would do this whole movie. I would watch this whole thing. Oh, hands down. It's like, it's shot like the,

it's shot like apocalypse now. It's all just like chaos. Like, something, here's a place where I think the color grading does do well. There's a moment later where a bunch of Imperials are drawn up receiving orders for their next doomed assault. And they're all. indistinguishable from the

color of their uniforms there is no skin tone there's barely any facial detail it's just a sea of identical gray faces and gray uniforms and like all humanity just like smothered out of them and it's like a really it's an effective moment and like here in these like

these night combat shots Hans officer is there is there exhorting people to keep going but the cameras like circling around like where's forward there doesn't appear to be a forward the guy screaming orders at him is dead with 30 seconds, very imperial commissar type thing.

And yes, and then you get, like, the ship's flying overhead, just dropping off more war material into this maelstrom and then flying off. All the walkers in the background are sick. All of the, like, as far as, like, we don't see ground-scale war very often in Star Wars. Like, the Hoth battle stands out for that, but otherwise what we see is exceptions to the rule. We see the Death Star Strike, which has no ground combat. We see a lot of asymmetrical warfare in both the Forest Moon of Endor, Ewok stuff, and then the Gungan Army in Phantom Menace. And then we see stuff with the clone troopers versus droids, which is just a different style of fighting in the remaining movies.

And not even a lot of that. This is like the first time, you know, again, Andor is on the other side of this. This is the sort of fight that Saul Guerrera's partisans have been getting into. It means something to see this. And like even Rogue One doesn't really do this. You get some like, you get fun war movie stuff, but it's a different genre, subgenre of war movie than what this sequence is, you know. I found it really interesting that both in this sequence and in the like minds sequence, that the way the way that the darkness, like the lighting works is that everyone's faces are obscured. everyone like is like one of many like not distinguishable not necessarily very unique I guess it it lends itself to the idea that like Han is this like scrum rat whatever he keeps getting called like he's just one of many yeah he just called that yeah he just called that many times um but I thought it it was like an an interesting effect of this these lighting choices like I think there there could have been something

really interesting and I do respect like the commitment to a you know a typical lighting decision well not necessarily too atypical now because everything is dark as shit but um yeah I I just thought it was it was interesting how that led it itself to like I kept kind of like trying to make out people's faces and then I was kind of realizing all of these people whereas most of the time those are opportunities for more Easter eggs, right? Where you, like, throw in someone that's, like, you know, vaguely recognizable from, like, a recognizable alien race or whatever. Everyone is kind of in this obscurity constantly if you're not one of the titular,

or main characters. Yeah, totally. I think, like, one other thing that sticks with me just about, like, the way war is depicted here. Later, when they're lifting off from the planet and you get a glimpse of what's happening, it looks like a continent white battlefield. Like as they lift off through the clouds, you see like artillery flashes

across a huge portion of this like planetary globe and different like spacecraft battles happening at different points in the atmosphere above the planet. And I think something that it gets across here in this moment is like this is so different from like yes you allude to hoth where like it is the elite of the empire it is we know who leads that assault lead that's colonel veers it's a t-a-tis just a wall of them steamrolling these rebels a ton of star destroyers in orbit vader and his personal like detachment stormtroopers leading the

assault and here it's this is just the type of wars that the empire has to fight as a matter of course. This is just the routine. And you get a sense of the Empire's resources are, they might be infinitely replenishable, but they are not infinite. Like there will never be an end to the stream of ATATs being flown to the front of like the battlefield, but they may never have enough at the front of the battlefield to actually decisively win, right? So you get this glimpse later of they've just dug the biggest deepest trenches you can imagine to like park this demoralized. half-trained army while they just like wait this thing out. Oh, I remember how they win this, as explained in Andor, the empire, like, inflamed infighting

between the different anti-imperial units, and everybody turned on each other, and that's when Andor fled, right? And he was like, I'm one of 50 people who made it out or whatever, or Luther tells him that, you know, and says you're one of 50 survivors. But it was a, and it's like, yeah, just stick, just keep throwing armies at them until we get them to turn on each other and kill each other. So, yeah, I, it's, this is the, one of those rare moments where, like, the franchise this up at all hit for me and worked for me.

I was like, oh, Minbon, right? This place sucks. This is, this is hell. Like, this is what it's like for people on both sides of this conflict who are not in that upper super high, high echelon. And then, of course, like, it immediately gets brought back down to, to, not brought back down, but lifted up to the world of, of fun genre story. because Beckett's arrival is the most, like,

gun-slingery maneuvering up on a hill. They pose on a ridge before they, like, get down in the foxhole. Yeah, flipping those guns around, you know, Cadbane style, doing that Western shit. He fell in love. It was, like, heart-eye, cartoon heart-eyes coming out of Han's face. Like, the way that he looks at Beckett is its soulmate shit.

What if Beckett had been an actual Imperial office? Sir, Val. What if it, like, you know, because what of his hard eyes and the guy's like, I'm the biggest badass in the Imperial Army? And Hans, like, I want to be the second biggest badass the Imperial Army. Do you need someone to pour you water, sir? That's how they get you. That's how they get you. But the Empire doesn't have those dudes. Those dudes who's like, it's, it's, unfortunately, it's Darth Vader and Darth Vader will not have a second biggest badass. No. I guess we have the Sith Inquisitors coming up, but I don't want to, I don't want to hang out with those guys at all. They all suck as far as we've seen. Yeah. Some great comedy beats here. Who's in

charge here? You, sir. Great, great gag. The debut of this crew is just good. Them being very open, being like, all right, we're here for that. The incoming transport ship. Very funny. And then, like, the, we are not here to adopt, like, a lovable orphan. You know, When he tries to blackmail them into taking him with them, and you see Beckett's like, fuck, this kid reaction, he just like, and he also teaches a valuable lesson. Like, Beckett is not going to be called on this bluff because he can sell it. He's like, no, I'm wearing a captain's uniform. I look the part of an imperial captain, like, they're going to believe me and not you. Watch me do this.

and has him sent to the Imperial Rancor Pit Brig thing. Yep. Where two other stormtroopers are like taking bets on who wins in the fight, basically, between Han and Chubaka. Instead of a rancor, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's chewy. It's chewy, the wookie, the wookie is here. The wookie, the wookie pit. His fur is so madded. Yeah.

It's so muddy. I wanted to groom him. there's there's a couple things happening here which is like the the two guys watching this are so bloodthirsty in a way that seems uncharacteristic or look out of the tone of this movie like they're goofy but they're so excited to see a guy get like pulled to death that it just seems a little off This is just waxer and boil 2.0 to me. This is just what those two... Sure.

Well, okay. I'm sorry. I still stand them. I still stand them. I'm sorry. But this is what this is what this is to be just to... It's the natural progression. This is the natural progression.

Like, under the empire, this is where you end up. You're on some coliseum shit. Yep. My second thing here is that, like, I guess if you're going to have a Han Solo story, you do have to have the meeting of Chewbacca. Yeah. But how did we feel about this one? I didn't think it was going to, like, I didn't expect Chubaka to be in this at all.

I just figured they would meet some, like, I didn't, I wasn't like, and, and Han Chubacca, well, like, what is the original Han solo story? It'll be him getting the Millennium Falcon, and I guess, yeah, getting Chubaca makes sense, too. But I really, I didn't think about it that I wasn't, like, anticipating. You just not think about Chubaca that much, just generally? No, because I've gotten really mad on this podcast on behalf of Chewbacca before. So I am a Chewbacca defender. I appreciate it. I am an ally.

So, yeah. What do you think about Han speaking wookie? Sorry, it's not called Wookie. I hated that. It's called, oh boy, I have to get this right. Otherwise, people are going to yell at me. It's called Shira Wook, I think. Something like that.

I wrote I wrote here that Han Solo should be cool in a way that transcends language and it should not just be that like Han Solo should like be this street kid who fumbles through everything

every single plan that we've seen him have has not worked he's not worldly he hasn't gotten he doesn't know how to fly yet how is he learning this? How does he know how to speak wookie if all of the Shira Wook, it's fine.

Shira Wook. How would he know how to speak Shira Wook if all of the Wookies have been enslaved by the Empire? Great question, sadly. Fantastic question. He picked up a little bit. I'm sorry, I want to be clear. We know that Han can understand Shira Wook from the first movie.

Yeah. Chewy speaks and he understands it. That's classic. Right. Yeah. Have we ever heard him speak it back? No. A wookie impression.

That's the whole bit. That's the whole bit. fucking bit. I'm not mad necessarily. I mean, I will say it's interesting that we only get his stuff subtitled. Again, the subtitle politics of Star Wars are a little weird. Yep. A little question mark, question mark emoji.

Like, you know? Yeah. But. But like when you have, but like they're a pair in the original trilogy, right? And like it speaks to like them having a relationship and them having a history and Han picking these things up. At some point was like, Han, just don't. You speak basic, I understand basic, I'll speak Shiro-Wu.

He does that in the movie. He just stops trying. He's like, after like the pit, basically, and he, like, reveals, hello, I can speak your language, and so we must form an alliance. Then he just stops speaking Keshawuk, what is it? Shira-W-A-S-H-Y-R-I-I-W-O-K. He stopped speaking of Shiri-W-O-K for the rest of the movie. So it doesn't even fucking matter anymore within the same movie. So something else that I think is, again, the Star Wars I was raised with.

It was something called the Life Debt between Han and Tui. that. And the reason that existed was, again, he saved Chewy from slavery. And, like, this is why he got drummed out of the service is because, like, he's a good little, like, aspiring imperial officer. And then he comes face to face with, like, wait, we're just enslaving people and busts a guy out. And in payment for that, Chewy's like, I am pledged to look after your life until this debt

is paid. And it's, like, cool, awesome story. great heroic origin story for Han where like whatever dirtback shit he might have done there's a core of decency here and this is why Chui is right or die for him and here again because it's all got to be like comedic bullshit

it's like he gets thrown to a pit because he got caught out and he's like we better come with a scheme to get out of here and this is kind of this is kind of the origin of their partnership which is kind of disappointing because it's like it's yet one more

scenario and yet one more person that just has to like help on bullshit his way through a situation. And life debts, okay, here's the thing. I was like, is the life debt still canon or have they just eradicated to the life debt? The life debt is still canon. The life debt is like a thing thing? Chubacosura Wiki life debt to Han Solo for freeing him from slavery under the Glaxic Empire. Per Star Wars, absolutely everything you need to know.

a reference title published in 2015 that is still canon. Well, they can't uncanonize anything from the original trilogy. Have they done yet? But that's not in the original trilogy. The life debt part is expanded universe stuff. That's not like anything. He doesn't say that in that script. No one says life debt in the original, no, 100% not.

No. That's just his co-pie. That's just his cool boy. You know, they're just boys. They're just bros. Sure. And bros don't, can speak bro. They can speak in.

Their minds And they don't Like the roller skating Bros on Exactly Exactly like that Can I say something here Wookie

As far as Wookies go Chewy looks good in this movie All the other wookies that we will eventually See Bad Do not look good But Chooey, we get dirty Chewy here

We get chewy cleaned up With a hose Freshly blown out We get Chooey in a shower With HON We do get that. What a charged moment that is. What a charge.

This movie is very horny, by the way. This is what I mean. We just read a book that people told us was horny and smutty. This movie is ten times hornier than that book was, to me. That two shot of Han and Chui with like Chui's chest in Hans, like in Chooey's face. You can't even speak. You've been carried away by your imagination. I'm somewhere else entirely

I'm in a galaxy far far away Yeah they free themselves from the fight pit By teaming up There's a brief debate about which way to go Chewy wants her on a one direction Ha wants to go in the other one They're doing the defiant ones And again the racial baggage of Star Wars crops up here

Because that is a famously as a racial reconciliation movie where a racist white convict And a black convict have to work together to escape, to get away with a prison break in the South, and they're chained together. And here we sort of allude to that bit, and the part of the black character is played by the big hairy alien. Well, that's not true. Maybe the part of the black characters played by Eric.

Or whatever his name is. Sorry to him. Sorry to that man. Anyway, they go, Han is like, I have my first. friends, my friends are going to pick me up because he knows that the crew, the Beckett's crew is going to do a heist and so they rush to where the heist is they get, they're going to get left behind, but Beckett

ends up saying, well, we could use them, you know, and ends up blowering down and picking them up. And then we get the shot, then we cut from them flying away, and we get to see all of Mimban with the fights going on, going on, and then we cut to Han Solo's feet in the shower. We cut to the water falling through the dark ceiling.

Do we first, okay, is that, you're right, maybe that's the cut. Then we go to Han Solo's feet, sorry for getting that in the wrong order, and then Chewy steps into the shower. No, part of Chewy step, because he's so big, he closes the frame, and you're just aware of how big and close that. They're so close. Han is kind of enveloped by the personal bubble of Chewy. Anyway, they clean up. They clean up. He pushes him a little bit.

It's face to face. It's like the way that they walk in is just, it's... Boys for life, you know? They're gross. He doesn't need to speak. Nothing. He don't need to speak at all. You don't have to say any.

No words. No words. The way that like Chewy is like hunched down. It's so funny. And then we get the second of 18 acts in this movie as they lay out what the next plan is. They look very good, clean-down. up on. I like this ship a lot too. It's like a hauler ship that has kind of like a almost like a U shape, but then has like a little lower gangway that you can walk down to

and almost like be, you can be outside like standing on this little thing. And it's got the huge like articulated, like the gantry raises and lowers the ship as well. And the entire thing looks like a giant upscaled like Tiderian shuttle. But with instead of the two little like bottom wings, it just has this huge, like, mech-hauling gantry it's a cool ship. And I do love that little moment sitting out there on the catwalk is sort of flying

low over this ice planet. And you see like a freshly groomed, blow-dried, chewy you know, youthful luster in that fur and sort of planet like discussed in the next move

before we have the big campsite scene as they get ready for the for the big heist. And Han is like, I'm not going to say Chubaca. I'm going to come with a nickname for you.

Oh my God. Just let it happen. Just say Chewy. People have had friends before. You know, like we know how to have your name's Robert, but you get called Rob.

What's what happened? Was there a story behind that? Oh, that someone was like, wow, what if your name was one syllable instead of two? I like the, So something I'll say here is

So the script is by Lawrence Kasten And I think at its best This movie feels like a good Caston script So Kasten Wrote for the original trilogy Is Do you write all three or was he just credited with Empire

And he did He co-wrote Return And he co-wrote Force Awakens But The weird thing is I think as much As this movie can feel like Sort of a soulless Disney-fied Star Wars

like it's got to hit its it hit its marks I think Casson here is in one of his better modes which is he's channeling the same energy he channeled when he wrote a really good and underrated

or at least it's not as well known as it should be Western called Silverado which everyone is in in like the early 90s late 80s like Danny Glover Kevin Costner Brian Dennehy

Jeff Goldblum like everyone's in this movie good fun Western and has that a similar balance it strikes that we see here where it's like it's so it's it's fun it doesn't take itself too seriously but that doesn't mean it can't like punch you in the gut at times with some like real pathos for its characters and i also think like i feel like ron howard is also channeling a bit of a movie he was in uh the shootest which is he so he was before he moved

behind the camera when he was like still a no longer child actor but he's a young man he was in John Wayne's last movie it would be called the shootist which is a sort of dark mentor movie about a career gunslinger who you know at the end

of the West and at the end of his life sort of takes up residence with a family while he waits for his impending death of cancer and he ends up sort of teaching young Ron Howard in that movie about like his attitudes toward life and sort of his his past and his code and at the end of that movie like

john way jane dies um and you know ron howard's character has sort of been uh marked by by that experience but i do think there's a bit of that happening here too where like both castin and howard know the western mode they're operating in and it's not just like it's distinct from star wars here they're they're pulling different things i think this comes through in like this campsite scene where you have like the three very different types of like experienced old gang like uh gang members uh you know always trying that one last score and giving their little attitude toward what do we want out of this life um and you sort of get three visions of it hmm it's it is the cynical mentor in in uh becket who uh very much you know want you to know that there is you

You cannot be, be not sympathetic, but be sentimental about anything. You can't have a sincere bone in your body because that's how you get a gut in your back. You can't trust anyone. You can't trust anyone, right? Again and again and again here. You have Beckett's partner, Val, who I keep almost calling Val, played by Tandy Newton. Tandy Newton, who's so good in this. just has great presence, who I think gets less characterization, but makes up for it in screen

presence, who is, in some ways, more cynical in that she understands the lies that gangsters tell themselves. She's the one who understands that there will not be one last big heist that Beckett is not ever going to go learn how to play the Valacord as many times as he says he's going to. but fundamentally is like the it's like a classic like the backbone of the team who is going to do the hard work to make sure that it gets done and also is the one who's like we're not bringing in those lost puppies that you like like she was going to leave them behind Beckett for all of his hard-faced don't trust anybody this brought them on board because he thought they could be useful right and then Rio who is the wise cracking pilot who is a forearmed alien I don't know the alien species, excuse me, species. But it's the doctor kind, right? That's patching up

our boy nemic. It is not. It is not that guy. He's a different forearmed. Dr. Quadpa is a different different type of forearm alien. That's human scale.

Rio is a lot smaller than that doctor. He's a little guy with an inhuman face, a different type of face. I want to say there might be a Rio type in the Jedi Fallen Order maybe. I'm going to look up the type of alien he is. Rio Durant is the name.

Oh, he's an Ardenian. He's an Ardenian. I don't know from Ardenians. But he's a comedy guy. He's fun. I think he's kind of a fun character. I enjoy the just like the visual comedy. They don't make a bit out of it.

But the entire scene, he's doing four different things at once in every shot. He's like feeding himself, tending the, tending the cook pot, like always doing like four things at once. as he converses with the gang. And yeah, it is like, has clearly made the deal of, like, life will be however long it is, and I'm going to enjoy every ounce of it. And that is in no way depressing until it is.

Yeah. And we get a moment here, or Hans Solo gets his iconic pistol. Every scene is one of these things. Beckett breaks down his big rifle and, like, it's like it's again a kind of a cool thing that's happening becket has this big long gun this rifle that he's had since we first saw him on mimbon and he like takes it apart you know he has his pistol also but he takes the rifle apart and like removes the long barrel removes the stock from it and what's left is the receiver um he puts the like fluted barrel attachment back on like the very end barrel attachment on it uh and leaves the scope on it and tosses it to han and it's like the icon pistol that Han has that has that very distinct look to it. Well, it's very cool because it's got that

bit of physical competence. He's talking as he does this and is like effortlessly field stripping and reassembling a weapon that is going to become like, yeah, Han's lifelong pistol, but it is a very cool, like where did this weird sort of cobble together thing come from? It is a cut down of a

cut down. Right, totally. I think it's a kind of fun answer, but there's just so much of it in this story that it ends up putting me off. When it's in the context of like all of these looking at the audience, looking at the viewer moments, it loses any kind of, I don't know, just like, the specialness of the moment is gone because you're doing it all of the time. I know I sound impossible to please. And I'm a little impossible to please as a person.

I think that this is 15 years too late to do this, right? Yeah. I think that, or 20 years too late, if this movie comes out in the 90s and it shows when Han Solo got his iconic pistol, like, I the 90s was ready for that you know it's surprising that it did take them so long to tell Han's story well I mean that this a lot yeah go ahead Lucas wasn't making any goddamn movies until he made his is like until he felt he wanted to make another trilogy right like he was not into we're going to exploit Star Wars for more movies we'll exploit for toys whatever but like until I am moved to do something yeah which I think was part of the joy of that era of the EU across all of those different things, comics and books and games, was like, oh, I'm learning

a little bit more about my faves. I'm seeing another story about my faves. They reference some of EU materials here. They have lots of Lando talking about various now ancient EU novels that he was in, telling those stories as if they were true things, even though those books are not canon anymore. Like anytime he's like, whenever he's like recording his memoirs, that's a reference to now, non-canon. What was the,

so there was it just Tales of Hans Solo and then Tales of Wando Corrissian? I think it was literally called Tales of Yes, I do think that was the three,

the black cover. The black cover. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep. From the 80s, yes, exactly. Uh-huh. That's, that's Lando Calrizian and the mind harp of Sharu,

Lando Calrizian and the Flame Wind of Oskan and Lando Calizian and the Star Cave of Thonbaka. They truly do not make them like this anymore. things have changed unfortunately you know I'm posting those covers in here because they're so funny

the uh also I'm battling oh my God Han Alona oh it's extremely funny I didn't see this image I'll put that in the show notes also remember they

they went back and they made another Han Solo trilogy years later um yeah tales of young Han Solo it was another oh it was a young Han Solo thing yeah right And then in the middle of it, in the third book, they did interlude one and just alluded to the fact that, like, Han went and had those tales of Han solo adventures happening in the middle of these other books.

But it was an entire arc of really, in a lot of ways, it feels so much like what Clone Wars and shit would end up doing eventually because it was like a star-crossed lover's thing between Han and a girl he grew up with, like very much a Kiratite. But the difference was here she gets radicalized and joins the rebellion. and ends up like going, like dying on a suicide mission for the rebellion, and who should bring Han Solo news? Can you get, Austin, do you know? No, I don't know. Who tells Han Solo that his lifelong love has died in service? Is this mid-rebellion still, or is this post? This is before a new hope, but like shortly before a new hope.

God, I don't know. Who? Boba-Fat. Boba-Fat. Boba-Fat tracks Han Solo. down because he was like there at the kill and he was like she like solo i hate your guts i'm going to get you someday but today but she what yeah yeah and you and guess where he delivers that news is outside the moss-isley canteen yeah of course yeah of course it is before he goes in

and this is the thing that shit hit in 1988 yeah we were we were there for that shit the moment has passed. I don't need to know where the iconic gun came from. We are in a different era. And we might wrap back around to that era again. Also, those books tend to be less about like where the iconic gun come from. It's more like what sort of weird shit could like produce Han Solo as we met

him. Which is different than how did Han Solo get the name Solo? And that's less interesting. So that's less interesting question. But you know what is interesting is this fucking train heist? I love the monorail twisty like roller coaster design of this.

To explain it, it's a train that is attached. It's like a roller coaster or a monorail. Like you said, there's a track that's in the air. We've seen this kind of train before, haven't we? It reminds me a little of the train from the Clone Wars heist, but it's not the same as the Boba Fett heist. I remember a train with like a top and bottom. I remember us talking about trains. We do we talk about trains.

We left us, Natalie. Yeah, uh-huh. So there's the monorail line, and then the train is on both the top and the bottom. but they're locked together and on turns the rail turns like a roller coaster it it bends and so the entire train also twists on that center axis so that sometimes it's almost all the way sideways so instead of being like a top instead of being you know 30 meters tall it's 30 meters wide when it makes those turns or and there's lots of like diagonal angles it hits that stuff is cool and i'll say this shit looks good like howards good directing this stuff where it like it looks It doesn't look real, real, but, like, you get a sense of speed, a sense of them being out in the elements. You sense the cold, the disorienting speed, the distance between, like, where things are at various points in this chase. All very different from, say, the way, like, the, obviously different budget, but like the way the little land a train sequence unfolds in Book of Boba Fett, where it's, like, totally airless and inert. here it's it's all motion and action uh like when they get up on the train and begin uh sort of

like working their way forward to the to the coupling cool details like the troopers guarding it have their little like mag not just boots but mag suits yeah that they're wearing to allow them to like chunk along the top and then when the marauder gang shows up in their spiky like mad max mad mad mad mad shit they have a totally different vibe where it's all like harpoons, cables, et cetera. They have huge fall in or elixney from Destiny vibes. Yes. Huge Destiny vibes.

I love them so much. Especially like the, they're like space bikes. Yeah, they're very much. Yeah, they're very much giving Destiny speeders. They look like Sparers a lot. Yeah. Totally. There's all the good stuff with the crew is like hooked onto the train car.

so they're like spinning off the train cars but are still hooked and grappled on so they can kind of like twist off and like hang off the side in cool ways i love hans fur like fit like the arctic fit is sick yep uh i think he's wardrobe matching with chui a little bit it is he really is yeah can't get the brown trim yeah uh all of the stuff i you know there's some like really economical fun bits of like Like, Beckett pulling up one of the hatches on top of the train to hide behind his cover. And that's just like a fun bit of dynamic like action choreography that's very simple. And it works. And I think that this stuff for most of this is filled with, most of this sequence filled with it. And there's some stuff that hits a little hard for me. Like I had never, so Rio's death. He, so someone comes aboard the ship, one of the marauders gets aboard the hauler.

and they exchange fire and Rio gets hit in the shoulder and it looks like the type of shoulder hit we see tons of characters taking Star Wars and it's fine and the choice they make is that he continues to appear to cook from that blaster wound

what starts out as a small wound by the time Han joins him up there because he's obviously like bleeding out or something at the cockpit at the controls Han gets up there his shoulder is now being like almost eaten from the inside out

by fire And you sort of realize that moment It's like Well if you're cooking for instance This is this phenomenon where like Things continue to rise in internal temperature After you stop cooking them Because like heat takes time to work its way through

And you realize that's what a blaster wound does here Is it just like injected a ton of thermal energy Into this poor little pilot And he's just sitting there With this like burn radiating from the inside out as he like goes from denial to understanding like this is the end and the only person he's got to share it with is is Han yeah um which is another interesting moment right uh because one of the things we didn't touch on here is one of the recurring uh themes is there's no one

with you when you die right you die alone you might have a crew but you die alone and han die Don't die. Rio dies with Han by his side. This is a recurring thing. Do you get to die with somebody by your side or not? We immediately see this from the other angle where someone dies without anybody at their side as the heist goes sideways and Val has to make the decision to either cut and run and abort the mission or give her life and blow up the thing that she is. She is supposed to blow part of this bridge so that the train falls off. after these tether cables have been hooked to it so that the ship they have will lift up the train car filled with coaxium, the hyperfuel, and get away. But she's pinned down on the part of the bridge that she has to blow up. And so she can't blow it up without killing herself in the process. And she chooses to go forward with the mission and pull the trigger and blow it all up instead of exploding. Yeah. A couple things.

A couple ideas. bit billing here for like what what we could what else you could do a jet pack maybe expensive I'll give her that expensive no jet pack

might not have had access to that parachute parachute would have to have what what's that's a deep fucking remote detonator I mean yeah but it's a better chance

standing in the explosion it's a good backup plan I think it's true it's a good parachute with glider she could probably she could probably fucking flying squirrel

her way out of there. I would have just clutched it out. Like, you pinned down with those two, those two Viper drones, I think. You just, uh, you just have to one shot both of them. Rob is the, Rob is the TikTok guy who like, who voiceovers like GTA crashes. And it's like, at this point, I'm still good.

Like, like the car is doing like summer, somersels through the sky. I do a tuck here. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm still good at this point. I'm still good. I'm just saying Kyle Katarine would have died to a couple fucking viper droids. Uh-huh, fair.

Uh, we also get the Enfis Nest debut of her, like, sick wrist guard things in this fight. She's a really, her choreography is really cool. I like her. I wish we, like, spent more time. Everyone has a fighting style is actually really cool in this. The way, like, yeah, like. Sorry, I'm laughing about a future name drop about a fighting style.

Oh, God. Oh, yeah. No, I was thinking about that, too. I was like, is it always cool? but anyway the way like you know Beckett's crew

is all like Space Westerns like it's all guns and like you know just punch it punch it having a good punch up

and Nest is wielding this huge like almost like what is it like a Naginata is like the like the bladed spear

it's like big glave yeah yeah it's this huge and it's all just this like forward momentum and energy and

And the way she's doing multiple things at once, like, scaring the shit out of Beckett until he's, like, cowering and cornered, and then just, like, tearing the cables off that train car, so her crew can steal it. It's cool. And it culminates in that game of chicken, right? Where it, you know. So, wait, Val, Val, does explode the train.

They do lift it up. But at that point, it has been entangled, not only by the crew. ship, but not the crew apostrophe s's ship, not a cruise ship, but also by the speeder bikes of Enfus Nest, who have their own grappling

lines on them. Them speeder bikes must have a lot of torque if they're able to lift that train car. I guess there's a bunch of them, but, and then yeah, it's a game of chicken, right? They're flying towards mountain, a mountain. Who's going to cut, who's going to cut the lines and who isn't? Beckett says

don't cut the lines, don't cut the lines, don't cut the lines, don't cut the lines Han cuts the line And it's too late for Anfus to get it Yep It slams into the mountain And all that coaxium goes up in a huge explosion

Very cool It's like a little singularity opens up almost And like a little sucks the mountain into it And then you see the mountain range Kind of collapsing in the wake of it And in some ways That's the end of the first act of the movie

It's not But that's the like Okay Uh-oh, we owe this guy money now, because we were supposed to do this heist, so we'd go, we'd be even, and, and, you know, Beckett explains, we're in deep shit now, you know, it's not just, this wasn't for me, this wasn't a fun heist I put on for me, I wasn't going to flip that, I was going to, we had a deal, I was doing a heist on behalf of the Crimson Don Syndicate, a name that in this movie you've heard once, Kira is afraid of being sold into slavery to a, effectively, the Crimson Don syndicate. She's afraid that if, you know, they get split up. What if Crimson Dawn gets me, basically, has been... That's the only time we've heard that name if you are just watching solo.

If you instead have also read comic books like Maul, son of Dathamere, you've already heard Crimson Dawn mentioned also. Right, right, right, right, right, right. And I think crucially, like, Beckett's relationship to Han, for the most part he tries to do right by Han throughout a lot of this film like he like he knows Crimson Dawn

doesn't know about Han and Chewy they don't know who went on this mission at the end they know who they sent on the mission but they don't know Han and Chuie ended up on it and he's like you do not want to come with me like and he warns him if we don't get killed and they instead put us to work

you're in this life for good and he doesn't think that is a place that Han wants to be and all Han can see is but I could get paid and that is a stupid bet like he's all but told you you're basically showing up to get

murdered by the mob and Han's like but you're saying there's a chance they pay us our money for the shit we didn't steal I kind of like this decision for I mean I like the stakes the stakes are you're in this life for good at this like

what you did register that was a one-off thing it didn't go out well go become a pilot kid go wash dishes like go live your life and and I love that offer being made to Han Solo and I like Han Solo saying like

no I want the big job I want the big job I want to get in on it part of that of course is being motivated by I think Val just dying Rio just dying feeling like he

he wants to square it with Beckett as much as he wants to get paid to go back to Corelli At this point, Han's entire motivation is, I'm going to go back to Karelia and find Kira and get a ship, and we're going to be together. Yay. I want to be her boyfriend. Yay. My girlfriend is still on Karelia waiting for me.

My girlfriend from another school. From four years ago. From four years ago. It's still on Karelia waiting for me. You know, sometimes you have thoughts that get you through the week, you know. cut to the awesome yacht barge thing yeah it's cool cool yacht cool yacht I would go on it yeah I have the ship in no man sky the ship from home world where a yacht it is a ship from home it totally is yeah it would be this and it turns out I love that because it's like it's a yacht

that has a penthouse level yeah it's a it's a flying skyscraper with a cool penthouse level and a sweet art deco ballroom you know I don't want I don't want I don't I don't want the Wall Street Journal to call us wealthist, but I do think this classifies as a super yacht, technically. Yeah, this is a pretty elaborate, elaborate yacht. My favorite thing about this thing is that it just shows up. Like, when, when Ha'Hun is like, well, how are we going to find Dryden Voss? And Beckett is like, don't worry about that. Like, just turn around and the yacht is fucking there.

Which, of course, makes sense, because, like, Voss is going to show up to get the coaxium ASAP after this heist. so that there's no opportunity for Beckett to run with it, right? But this is one of two times in the movie where the yacht just shows up nearby, and I love that. That's something like I want in a tabletop game of like, you know, we played, we played the galactic expansion. It was called Rogue? What's the actual name of that game?

It was a Rogue. Going Rogue. Going Rogue. Thank you. Apologies to Jess. A great environmental move is just like, for like, scum and villainy in that style of game would be like, the crime boss's ship shows up. It's just like a great, like, it shows up. That's one of the powers it has is it shows up in an inopportune time or it shows up

to collect what, what's it's, you know? And the party going on here is dope. There's just like, I think this, oh yeah, we have to talk about them. I think the production design in this movie is pretty fucking good. I like a lot of the sets. I like a lot of the props. I think the costume design is fun. And I, you know, scum and villainy has highs and lows of, like, of class stuff.

And I like seeing the range here when it's shot and lit in a way that I can see it. So I like the little freaks. Oh my God. Okay. Let's talk about the performance. Yeah. New Star Wars music. I think this is not Jiz.

I don't know what to call it. This is not Jiz. It's R&B adjacent. But it's also very, like, classic, like, torch song of, like, the 30s and 40s. It has the lounge vibe. Yeah. Uh-huh. Totally.

cool performers both of them i mean the main the main vocalist the first vocalist has like a thing in her mouth she has like a vocalizer in her mouth and then the second i'm guessing that's a translator maybe that's fun that's a fun thing that's kind of what because it reminded me sort of of the the translator that snail alien had in book of boba fat yeah sure and then the second vocal the second vocal performer is in a jar and I love him. Little freak mode activated. Incredible.

They're so good. They're so good. So many cool little background people and guys here. Han in over his head. Han Solo has never been to a party like this. No. Han Solo got the ticket to the Jay-Z brunch and is not dressed for the occasion. Yeah.

He definitely looks. like it's funny because I feel like the fur is like it kind of gives like a little opulence vibe to it but then they take his fur like immediately yeah well and like he and Beckett are so obviously just in from a heist yeah and they're not at the party they're here to see Dryden they're not here to come to the party they're here for a meeting and I love like we take the moment to

he's told like don't even make eye kind of people nobody here is your friend you can't trust anybody in this room and we take a moment to sort of like follow him through the room as he tries to take all this in but also not actually take any of it in not see, not make eye contact for people or be noticed

which sets us up for I don't know it's I kind of knew it was happening but it was kind of cool like the scene has this little bit of suspense where like you keep feeling like you might be about to see someone and you just don't and he makes his way over the window to sort of take in the view

view from the top level and then Kira's hand falls on his back and she's there and immediately you get the sense of like they have their embrace and then almost immediately there's that distance between them

that this is a woman with a lot of secrets yeah three years is a long time especially as a young person you kidding me without a word

without a text your boyfriend joined the Navy the Imperial Navy come on you're moving on you're making decisions to your life you're trying to get by you're trying to do what you can do I don't know that she was ever as bought into this as hot was to be good with

you know right she gives him back those dice real quick I'll be honest yeah but she kept like I think it's that because I've always had them like I think there's a bit of that by the way we forgot we have to see him hang those fucking dice on the speed or right of the start? Because like, why did the

Millennium Falcon had dice? Can I say I didn't realize that the Millennium Falcon had dice and maybe that makes me a fake fan? But I did not realize the Millennium had dice. I'm not sure that they're in every shot. They're in like a shot in that movie for sure. They exist. They're in a new hope. But like I certainly, it's not an iconic

part in my memory of the Millennium Falcon cockpit. And that's just film doesn't look the same obviously. This Han doesn't give But this Han doesn't give would be a lucky dice guy. Well, and he gives her a, like, beautiful gold charm bracelet dice, which have nothing to do with the fussy dice hanging from the money and falcon cockpit in the movie. Anyway, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, they tried to meet up.

They talk. She is, it's what you said? There's a distance immediately. What should we drink to, you know? Oh, yeah, it's great to. Like, I think she's invested in him having an okay life. she wants him to be she's upset when she realizes he's with Beckett because that means that he did not that he dug himself into his own hole the way that so did she and he is not at the same tier of hole that she is you know I think and maybe there's good and bad in both of those you know she's she's at the top of a very bad place she's nearing at the top of a very bad place and he's at the bottom and there are reasons to be

happy about being not at the bottom there are reasons to be very upset about being at the top so i think complex emotions um she's she's doing a pretty good job with this material i would say and one of the things that's bad is that uh dryden voss is clearly uh you know pretty fucking evil yeah like we see he's he's meeting with the governor or something like that and we see him, like, choking the life out of the guy in his office. And also, do I have this right? There's a woman, sorry. Yes, I wanted to bring her up.

Uh-huh. No head. Where's her fucking head? Where's her head? Her head's gone. She doesn't have the head. There's no lat. There's no brain. This is a, like, this is a flesh robot that is, like, carrying a solver. But, like, I'm not sure that's a person anymore. I don't know. We know Lobot exists in this universe, right? So we know

there's, like, cyborgs that have brain stuff going on. Lobot had an entire fucking crane. But maybe Landau couldn't afford the complete head removal surgery. We don't know. We don't know. We're talking about a character whose head stops. I mean, no, I'm saying it's the other way. I think Dryden afforded the full removal surgery.

It's like she has like a mortarboard, like a graduation cap, but it starts at her below her eyes. It's wild. There's some wild looking background characters just in general at this party. That little freak on the table. The little freak needs to get off the table. My man, the appetizers are on there. Get your feet away. The feet are close to the food.

Get your feet away from the sliders. Get them off the canopays. I'm trying to eat them. If you were a little guy at a party, that's what you would be doing. I would be posted up. I would probably be posted up on a table, yeah. Come on. But be on a side table.

Be next to the couch. Maybe I was making my way there. I don't know. No, you weren't. I got stopped. I know. a lot of people at the party. Are you waiting for someone with a serving tray to come by so you can hop on? Maybe it takes a long time for me to cover the same amount of distance as another person in this room.

This room is huge to that little guy. The little guy is looking around and he's like, I am in the biggest room there is. I'm all about efficiency and getting my drink on and being a little freak on a table, maybe. We didn't mention it. We mentioned Paul Bettney playing Dryden voss. We did not mention Amelia Clark playing Kira here The idea that this is in the middle of her Game of Thrones run It's so weird It's so weird

That this is the role That was going to be like The kickoff of her Star Wars run Which would have been clearly Right They're setting her up as being And she's in a bunch of comics After this to be clear

She's a major Contemporary Marvel Star Wars character She's like She runs through The Darth Vader in Afro comics You know what I mean? She's a primary side character She's a major side character

in that material. She's more interesting in this movie than Han Solo is so that makes sense. Yeah? Uh-huh. I thought it was a weird

casting choice. I don't know. I feel like both her and Dryden Voss I felt like or and Paul Bettany were weird casting choices to me just because they're so first of all,

going with such an quote, you know, relatively unknown for Han Solo. Which makes sense because you don't want to set someone up that's too iconic and you want people to be able to like imprint han solo on this

actor or whatever um but then to have two very iconic actors amelia in the moment yeah in the moment and paul betney who was playing vision in the marvel stuff is it's just a little it's a little too many worlds in one it's a little multiverse vibes that i just it's hard to to to get away from it. I think Amelia does like a perfectly fine job. I don't think it's like particularly like I don't feel her character moving on from this film like her role. Well, she's still not the most poorly wasted actor in this movie. We'll get there later. So yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Do what do you think about Dryden Voss's magic face scars? Why? I don't know. Why? did John pick

you picked up on the face scars No Yeah They get more When he gets angry They grow deeper And red and bigger And when he's calmer

They fade Away Again like a mass effect Character Okay It's weird It's yeah He's

He's He's listed as being From a near human Species A new type of guy That just has these But we don't know what his species name is or anything like that, never explained. And again, not explained

why, no relation to Quinlan Voss, just a different Voss. Voss is just a popular name. You got to, you can't, you can't use Voss. You know. No. Voss is too big. Too big. Okay, slow down. We go back and we go. It's great that you think that. That's true. I wish that was true. I wish that was true. boss has probably encountered this boss think about it oh almost certainly uh yeah almost certainly right before this when this boss was younger the other boss could have bumped into him undercover somewhere right yeah too close this is what i'm saying is if they were in totally different sectors if that's fine they're doing different things but quinlan voss is going

under cover where this guy is yeah it's too too close Quillen Foss never goes back to Dathamere to deal with Darth Moll. He wasn't, he caught it an awkward time where Drapal wasn't there yet. He's never like, the love of my life's ghost is over there. Could you not be a crime boss? No, like, he's like dropping off the body for like the little lake to rejoin the sisters. And then his ship leaves him and Obi-Wan. And then like two minutes later, Darth Moll's ship pulls into the parking lot.

And he's like, this is where I'm going to make my headquarters. So, they have a sit down with Dryden. Yeah, and Dryden is... Benny's fine, but it's just like, he's doing the whole, like, he's the crime lord who's, like, a veneer of civility over seething rage that can turn on a dime. And it is his subordinate who is actually sort of managing him and massaging all these interactions and kind of leading him to decisions. I feel like you get the impression that he's. He would never be where he is without her being there, making the deals actually happen instead of letting him just gut people instead, giving people the second chances they often need to finish a heist and not just start one. You know what I mean?

I think that that comes across, and it is very traditional genre stuff. I don't have any problem with it. There are ways in which this movie felt like a TV show, and he's a huge part of that to me. He feels cut from the cloth of a television show where you need that style of crime lord villain. but like you don't need it but you know it's easy to rely on that because the audience is familiar and it's a nice shortcut to set somebody up without giving them lots of screen time where you learn about their background or history you know what I mean he's the crime he's the crime boss du jour he will be dealt with he is not the long-term character that you need but there he is

and the terms for letting these people walk are they have to give him a heist that's as good as the one that's been sort of like blown here and Han has the thought while Obviously, it's impossible to steal refined hyperfuel, but what do you get it from the source, unrefined? And it's a half-assed idea that Kira figures out the rest of the plan while like trying to sock puppet the conversation to make it sound like Han and Beckett might have an inkling of how to carry this out as she figures out a way to make this feasible. and the plan is we are going to go to the one place in the galaxy that coaxium is mine

coaxium which yeah dude yeah dude wait no hold on hold on they needed an unsecured source of unrefined coaxium all the other places are staked out and locked down those are the places with

Refined is that not, I'm going to look at the, I'm looking at the, yeah, but we're not saying coaxia only comes. He says, no, he says what about unrefined? And, uh, what she says is the only known source of astatic coaxium, which a static meaning unrefined is a fissure vent beneath the space mines of Kessel. Not the only unsecured. The only source of a static, which is to say unrefined coaxium. Then it leaves there and gets refined. No, that can't be. On places like Scariff. No, that can't be. Now, I, the thing that it is, is that I think coaxium is not the only source of hyperfuel. I think there are other types of elements that are also used as hyperfuel. I'm just saying, if this is the only place that space oil comes from, they're not putting that beneath a fucking cocaine bar.

This is what I'm saying. Prison complex. Like, they're not going to be like, this is where all our space oil comes from. It's a one-stop shop. And on top of that, we're going to put a fucking cocaine refinery with nothing but prisoners and a few guards. By the way, I'm reading the Claudia Gray bloodline novel about Leah in the in between Return

of the Jedi and Force Awakens era. And there's an entire section there about the different types of spice and how there's like bad spice and good spice and it's okay that her husband mostly ran the normal type of spice oh no otherwise he's eligible for supermax penalties exactly i the so yeah it is it is the only source of astatic coaxium other coaxium i guess it i don't understand how the pike syndicate is not the most powerful group in the world. If they are the only people who run... Let's say that there are

four places in the galaxy where it comes from. Jabba doesn't have shit like that. It doesn't make any sense. Because think about where they find this shit. It's like a fucking shed. Like, this is, this has to be a, all the other places have refineries built onto them and they're like harvesting, refining

at the source. Otherwise, Kessel can't even handle the volume of business that would be required here. I agree with you. They shouldn't said it in the movie. Because they go to a place that has a refinery, but that's not on the refinery, but the refinery isn't where they

get the car accident. That refinery doesn't particularly, like that refinery is a gas station on a fucking rando planet. Like that is not, that is the only gas station for like a hundred miles or whatever. Like that is not, or a hundred light years. I don't know.

It's mine on Kessel. I don't know what to tell you. That is. Well, they're getting. They're getting... The pikes are fucking... They're fucking up. Right. This is what I'm saying.

How are they not the empire? He should be the empire. Or alternatively, how hasn't the empire bombed this place to hell to take it over? Yeah. Yeah. This is the first place you nationalize if you happen to have a big empire. You get control of spice and space oil? I guess it's hard to get to as we famously are going to learn.

with shit. Uh-huh. Like, yeah, anyway, I'm just going, you know what? Like, in my head already, I'm like source booking it out or I'm like, obviously. So what's unusual here is this is a fisher event where like it just happens to be there. But like obviously all the industrial concerns are elsewhere. But then they just keep, they're like, as long as it's here, we just put it on ice in our little tool shed and occasionally run it to a refinery. Because otherwise, what happens from here is crazy.

Uh-huh. Wait, yeah. How can anyone make the Kessel Run? If it'll blow up before it gets there. Well, great. This is why it's refined the source. There's only one place they don't do refinery on site. That, I swear to God, is what you're doing with it?

What do you mean? Okay. If they're mind. it and it is unstable so it blows out how are why are they mining it at all if they can't get it to a refinery but they no no no but the pikes have it they're they're putting it in you're saying they have a refinery you're saying they do have a refinery on castle no they're sending it like they're sending it elsewhere this is why he is but how are they sending it elsewhere if it isn't blow it the closest refinery the closest refinery are you saying there maybe are

other refineries that are that they that they can't use because those refineries are under lock Also, like, they are probably having it being put in the ships that have cold storage facilities that can carry it around. Oh, so you're saying this, a part of this is the lack of cooling, insulated features of the ship itself. Yeah, they're throwing the shit on the back of a truck. That's true. That's true. Then why didn't get an ice cream truck? Because the ship had a good question.

Great question. Well, heavy fast because he would blow up. But if it wasn't just blow up. If you have an air conditioner, if you have the Star Wars ice cream truck, then it doesn't need to be that fucking fast. I'm just going to read the script. They say they're going to make it up to him. And I don't have read. Oh, I have is a transcript.

I don't have who's speaking. By delivering exactly what we promise is how we're going to make it up to you. 100 k grams of refined coaxium, yes, we'll simply steal it from somewhere else. From where? You'll be hard pushed to find that anywhere outside of an imperial vault. Scariff, maybe Mercy Islands. So those are Imperial vaults. Those are not places to get coaxium.

That's just where they store that much coaxia. Refined coaxium. Already refined. That's impossible. So let's come up with other options. That's Kira probably. Other ideas that we might, Solo, Han says, what about unrefined?

Well, the only known source of astatic coaxium is a fissure vent beneath the spice mines on Kessel. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. That's a very, very good one. That's a very, very good one. But see, the Pikes control Kessel. Crimson Don maintains a fragile alliance with the Pikes. It's one that I can't jeopardize without risking an oil at war with the syndicates.

And that gentleman, I will not do. So that's it. We're done here. And then they say the pitches, we don't have an alliance with the Pikes. And then they say it's risky, even if it's possible, because as soon as the Raco Axiom is removed from the vault, it starts to destabilize. Unless, you can find somewhere to get it processed fast. Savareen, there's an old refinery there.

It's not under imperial jurisdiction. So, yeah, so maybe there's another imperial refinery closer to where it won't explode because this is just a shithole nearby. Yeah. That's the only thing I can think of here. This is the closest non-imperial place, but nobody would take it there because unless you have an ice cream truck. But if you don't have an ice cream truck, you take it to one of the imperial places. I think we are guessing about. I don't think the imperial places are probably like open for rando business.

It's like those are going to be only for imperial purposes. Yeah, imperial purposes. But that is probably why Star Destroy is randomly showing up the minute they get a call from Kessel. Right. Because occasionally, I assume the Pikes are like, well, as long as we've got the shit, here's the price of it. I don't know. I'm guessing. Point is.

Yeah, Pikes are probably running it. But if in the Imperials knew about, like, why would they not just take the planet for themselves? Yet again, this is Star Wars bombs up against logistics and it's interesting and cool. and then it falls apart because it's not a world that's built around logistical truth and materialism in that part of that. Either way, though, it does give us a cool complication of the heist, which is that the shit we are carrying,

we're going to be in a wages of fear scenario where we got to get this shit carefully but quickly to its end point, and that means Millennium Falcon, which means, thank God, Landau Calarizian. Landau's here Another recognizable actor but not someone who I think at this point has

totally blow I mean community is huge but it's not the same style as like movie star level and Chalice Campino had hit but not like crossed over Had he started Atlanta at this point Oh maybe Atlanta had just kicked off

I think he had Atlanta season one is 2016 So yes He's one or two seasons I feel like he started to spread himself out Also, I feel like he's a fun cast choice for this role. There's also some context about him being in something like this, which is he had petitioned to be Spider-Man and did not become Spider-Man.

And so there's a degree to which here he is in another different Disney property, getting to be a nerd hero of some report that's like a big deal. There's an element of, I wasn't really familiar with. their game that happens between Glover and Hollywood, which is that nobody realizes that he ends up being one of the great entertainment talents of

his generation, crossing a bunch of different mediums. And I think you get a taste for this here because he dials in on things about Landau Calrissian that I think are very important to, if you're going to play, if you're going to say like this is that

character, but like younger, you have to bring some things across. Aaron Reich makes different choices. He's not playing like Han Solo as like Harrison Ford. But like Glover's performance seems very studied, not just about like the way like Billy D. Williams plays Carl Rizian, but also the fact that Lando is a character unique among the Star Wars characters who wears masks in front of the other character. Like the entire thing where a lot of bad Star Wars expanding universe stuff thinks Lando

Carl Raysian is a, like, playboy and a dandy. That is a disguise he wears for Han and for the Empire to conceal, like, the danger he poses to all of them, right? And so this is the- He gets to run Cloud City because the Empire doesn't take him seriously. Right. And they don't think if him is someone who's a threat who could wield power against them. And they don't see him coming when he decides to burn the entire thing down to try and rescue Han and kicked the empire off the station.

Right. Don't forget he flew the fucking Millennium Falcon when it blew up the second Death Star. You know what I mean? Right. Or he co-piloted it. Was it Neon Nubb who was the actual pilot? I don't remember. And you see, and by the way, like Williams kept those parts of the performance separate as well.

Dandy Lando disappeared. You didn't see that guy in the cockpit in the Battle of Endor. He's all very terse, like, here's how we're going to get through this situation. we can't retreat, we just have to go in. And so Glover's performance, I think, is very keenly aware of the fact that, like, Lando is the one Star Wars hero who dissimulates. And so we get a taste of that. When we see him sort of holding court at the card game,

he's gregarious and amiable, amiable, but there's also, like, a chilliness to him that is, like, running through that whole performance, that is great. And when Han joins the game, the fall. Bonhomi as, you know, he tries to, like, figure out Han and unsettle him and get under his skin. It's, it's terrific. Like, it is, it is a pleasure to watch him having taken this role and, like, really dialed in on, like, what makes Lando Lando? Yeah, he's a blast. I'd love a card game scene. I wish, I wish we'd gotten more Sabak. I wish we'd gotten more clarity on, you know. Yeah, I wish I understood the stakes of.

of Sabak, like, a little bit more. And it's cheating. Why isn't he using a skifter? Sorry. I really thought Sabak and Pazak were more similar than I guess they are. Because I could play Pizak right now and take everybody's money. Pizak is a real game. Pizak is a real game.

Pazac is a real game. Pazac is the predecessor of Sabak that shows up with Knights of the Old Republic. That is like a variation of blackjack. where you can... And in fact, I think Sabak is the same because I'm pretty sure in the book I'm reading right now, in Bloodlines, it shows up and is described in this way. You're trying to reach a total of 20,

but on top of having just regular cards dealt to you from a deck, you customize your deck with some special cards that can do things like subtract points or add in subtract points or multiply. So you're like, there's all this other shit you can do to get to 20. In fact, you can go over 20 and then put down a minus card that brings you back down to it

whereas here they're making hands it's a hand building you know a game because he hits him with the full sabok at one point which is a funny phrase but you know and the sort of back and forth

that they do here is very fun the sort of like he's trying to get Lando to bet the ship and he pretends he has his own ship that he can put up and there's lots of Lando calling him Han instead of Han, you know. They're fun.

They're bantery. It's Han because he says Sabak, right? It's because he says Sabak instead of Sabak, yeah. So. Good to know. Decent joke. Unfortunately, we are one scene away from the introduction of Landau's co-pilot and partner in crime, L337.

L3 short for short. Thankfully, they don't call her Leet. If they called her elite one time, I would have fucking, I would, I would write a letter. To Bob Eiger, and you would have said. And I would have said, you are, you are corny. You are a corny corn ball made of corn, who is literally corn. You are made of corn. And how does it feel to be a corn cob on a stick writing some shit like this, okaying, green lighting, approving, leit, etc.

Speak in Star Wars. Fuck you know. Weirdly, that's basically verbatim from a memo, Ike Perlmutter, like cast around the company a few years back. Like, what are we talking about? What are we doing? Why? And then you're going to make it the droid emancipate. Like you're going to give her a real fucking.

So that's her. Our introduction to her is looking in at an already established droid. Like gladiatorial arena. Yeah. Kind of like battle bots being overseen by that is Clint Howard, right? It sure is. Ron Howard's brother, Clint Howard. He's got his people here.

He's got his people here. Uh-huh. Dude from Willow. Who I know is Willow. What is his name? He also played Wicked, obviously. Oh, why am I not remembering his name? This is brutal to me.

Wait, he played Wicked? Didn't he play Wicked? Isn't that right? That's the whole thing. That's where he gets that start at Lucas films. Warwick Davis. Yeah. He plays Wicitt in Return of the Jedi and then goes on to be in Willow after that.

I believe. I believe that's true. Anyway. Wait, he's also in the Phantom Menace? Probably. That would make perfect sense. Warwick Davis briefly reprises his role from the Phantom Menace as Weasel, a cloud writer. He's also, wait, oh, weasel was in?

That's very fun. So he's part of Enfus Nest's crew here. Yes, that is who we, yeah. I didn't realize that that character was in Phantom Menace, though. Yeah, I guess so. So, yeah, L3 is yelling at the droids in the battlebots arena being like, don't you have any dignity? Uh, and of course, L3, uh, is also being played by someone who is coming into a degree of, um, uh, I guess this is, was this, was this during the aside? This is pre-flea-bag, but let's right before.

Pre-flea bag. Uh, yeah, Phoebe, Feeby Waller Bridge. After crashing. Um, it's after crashing. Okay. Utterly waste, not wasted. I don't know. She's like doing her best with this material, but like, the materials sucks, dude. It's so bad. We finally get a character in Star Wars who was like, hey, droids are people. Time to yell at some droids. First of all, it's time to yell at them. Second of all, it's played as a gag throughout the entire movie.

No one takes her seriously. No one takes her seriously. The camera doesn't take her seriously. And then her eventual fate is a nightmare to think about. She believes that Lando's in love with her. There's horny shit. I forgot about that. You forgot about that?

Sorry, I forgot about the way that that comes out, which is a girl. It's like a girl, it's like a girl, it's like a girl, like a girl, like girly girl, like, hey girlly talk. Being like, yeah, he's into me, but I don't know. Not really doing it for me. I thought about it. I thought about it. And Kira's like, does that even work? She's like, it works.

I didn't really. I mean, like, I'll be honest. I assumed it worked because we've seen other sex worker droids before. Yeah, uh-huh. Plus the no head back at fucking Dryden's house. People don't look at Betty bots that way. But people look at L3 like that. And it's weird because that's how that gets introduced as a theme or as a recurring plotline is, is her bringing it up.

And then his reaction when she dies is colored by that. But we don't see the two of them. They like bicker a little bit. But I don't know that he comes across as like. No, he literally talks about it. He's like, yeah, I could wipe her memory. But she has the best navigational database in the galaxy. So, you know.

And then the other thing again, contextual from the moment that we have to mention, there are the interviews around this movie. Do you remember what Glover talked about with Landau around this? No. He... Oh, Lord. The co-writer Jonathan Kazan, who's Lawrence's son, described Lando as being pansexual. And that there was a fluidity to the character, a sexual fluidity to both the Glover and Billy D.

William's version of the character, which is to say flamboyant, somewhat fay wears capes. This is the dandy stuff that you talked about before. Yeah, I mean, there's a whole bit about how many capes he has. And they talk about how the quote here is, I mean, I would have loved to have gotten more explicitly LGBT character into this movie. I think it's time, certainly for that. And I love the fluidity, sort of the spectrum of sexuality that Donald appeals to and that droids are a part of. the looks that I'm getting from everyone on the call right now are very good the way he just drops I'm gay for droids I'm gay for yeah he's part of the LGBT spectrum

because he wants to fuck a droid um so I don't know bro I think cutting that into I I don't know I don't know that the way here is like we need LGBT representation Landon would be wearing them capes. I know Landau wanted to fuck Leia, but he do be wearing capes. Maybe he's gay. Can we make him gay in this movie? No. But we will say he wants to fuck his lady droid.

And that's sort of gay. Like. Fellas. Fellas. As a man, what are you doing? Trying to smash your droid with your navigation droid. I. The other thing that gets me here is that, like, dudes iconically for years and years and years have wanted to fuck their cars.

Forever. We did not need to know that, like, Lanto knew this woman and looked like in love with her and had this relationship. And that's why he's attached to the bloody a falcon. It's just a really nice car. Sorry, it's a good thing that that metaphor doesn't become literal in this movie where she is imprisoned in the car forever. Yeah, it doesn't become like, I would. was afraid of that because I was like is this going to be like a smart home moment like that what was that Disney channel original movie from the 90s it was like the mom the mom smart home uh mom smart home wait was there like a kid's movie where a mom gets callisted into a house yes smart house it's a 99 Disney channel original movie where a teenager turns his he's like a computer he's like a computer and his dad is a widower and they've all lost their mother and he turns his smart house

into his into their mom and then when they tell the house that they don't that she's not actually their mom she freaks out and she's like i'm your mom i'm the house i'm your mom you can turn me off it's a comedy yeah that sounds like a horror movie after the death of his mother 13 year old Benjamin Ben Cooper takes it upon himself to take care of his single father, Nick and little sister Angie in Monica, blah, blah, blah. Ben, Ben enters a contest to win a smart house. The family wins and moves into the house run by a virtual assistant named Pat, short for personal applied technology, and is introduced to its creator Sarah Barnes. Anyway, oh, it's because his dad starts dating the creator of the AI. so then Ben

fucks with the house AI to be his mom to replace his dad's new girlfriend and then his the AI becomes too powerful so anyway that's basically what happens in solo or that's it is what I was afraid

of what was going to happen in solo where like she was going to wake up after getting plugged in and be like we have not explained what happens there yet okay yeah sorry sorry I do just want to the final thing here the Glover was interviewed on some

serious XM entertainment show and they said is it true is it true or is he really pansexual and what Donald Glover

said was how can you not be pansexual in space there are so many things to have sex with I didn't think that was weird yeah he's coming on

to everybody I mean yeah whatever it just didn't seem that weird to me because I feel like if you're in space it's kind of like

the door is open it's like no only guys or girls no it's anything. This is this thing is literally a blob. Are you a man or a woman?

Like, who cares? Have a good time out here. All right, Donald Glover. All right, bro. Shout out. Real Gavin Darklighter hours there. Real God. You know, like you said,

men have been wanting to fuck cars for a minute. Donald Glover said, me too. Also blobs. Also blobs. Listen, Grito has laid the peasant. Has laid the peasant.

path for us. You say, oh, right, Grito has like, yeah, sure, uh-huh, sure. A note here that is fun.

Do we think his real name is Ladonis when L3 calls him Ladonis? Yes. She uses his full name like she's mad at him and calls him Ladonis.

I don't think she's just saying like that's like her pet name, but like her like mean fake parent name. Exactly. No, I think that's definitely his real name. I think all of the stuff with her is bad She has the bit where she's like

I can't perform if you're looking at me or what Everybody looked away Oh that was so weird Why are you like That was so why is she this? It's just comic relief shit that just doesn't hit But it's like Because there are jokes in here that do hit

But like Well it's the part of the movie forward All of her stuff is like dirty comic relief Like Well that's why they cast Phoebe Waller Bridge Right is like That's part of what her comedic repertoire is But then also

it's like good character study stuff and like there's like edge behind a lot of it and if we're playing so consistently for last we've got to linger with it that like it's just us girls moment is her in early warning sign that kira is not who she appears to be because kira has also seemed to be deeply in her feelings about hans back in my life like who knows where this can go and l3 is immediately like so what are you going to do because you clearly did not feel the same way about him that he feels about you which wasn't apparent to us but is apparent to L3, and Curia does not deny it. Instead, she tries to deny that Han feels what he evidently feels. Which, of course, L3 is like, yeah, I know. I know the truth because I can read

heartbeat palpitations and... After they just made out. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they did just make out, right? So that's the thing, right? In the Cloak closet. In the, in the Cape, in Clause. It's great. I love the cloak room. Is this the same room that him and Leia have their first kiss in? Because it looks very familiar. Is it? We need to also... Was that kiss there or was that kiss on Hoth? Where's that kiss at?

No, no, no, no, no. That kiss is on Hoth, but it's in the Millennium Falcon. They're flying. Okay. Are they flying at that point? They're in the asteroid field. Yeah, sure. Sure.

We need to... Check the tape. No, I'm just saying Lando took care of that chip. And Han did not. Like, Lando, that ship is pristine. Like, it is beautifully furnished. The vinyl is cleaned And in just a couple years' time

Of being with Lando And being with Han and Chewy That shit's just going to be yellow It's going to be They never replace the skate pod No Oh yeah they never replaced the skate pod The kiss is in a different room

The kiss the first kiss Is in like a part where Leah is working on repairs So it's like all like tech tubes and shit You know But But yeah also Great point Han forever will have

this memory as being part of this ship He's made out with two girls On this ship Okay slow down He's made out with ten girls On this ship probably a thing For the rest of his life They didn't have girls

Because you know In space You're in space It could be anything Could be him and chewy You know Listen you know That shower

Yeah that shower scene I didn't see a shower on here But you know I bet there's a shower somewhere in the line of walking there has to be. Oh, yeah. I like the scene of them jumping in space for the first time and Han being kind of like excited about it because what it suggests to me is he's traveled a lot in hyperspace in positions where he doesn't get to look out and see it. He's jumped. We know he's been

all over the place presumably with the imperial infantry unit that he got attached to. But I mean, that was in the back of a hauler, you know, looking across the way at the other mud troopers he's with, you know? Yeah. And so I kind of like that. Is this a where we also get the story about his dad being a Corellian pilot, or not pilot, a Correllian shipyard worker, basically. Yeah. And that stuff's kind of fun, him and Lando talking about it and kind of finally, you know, bonding a little bit around, was that with Lando, was that with somebody else. Lando's like, my mom was extraordinary. Love my mom. I love my mom. Yeah, classic. I love my mom moment. Um, shout out to moms. Moms are tough. Oh, I just, before we move past this of just a

bad moment of soundtracking in this movie when you see the Millennium Falcon for the first time

and there's this big like Star Warsy swell but it doesn't sound like anything and it

doesn't speak to anything and nobody cares and I don't know why it's happening did the

Melanian falcon need a theme song? I think it can have a theme song but I don't think

this is this is my note literally is ugh the music cue when they get to the Millennium

Falcon so like we are synced on this and then again later I talk about it being very optimistic. It's not, the vibes are off for them going on the death run.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even during the prison, as things are getting really gnarly during the prison break, the music keeps swelling. It's a, it's a, this movie is like consistently major key at moments where it's like, this is not the right sound for this. This is just, this is wrong. This is badly scored.

Yeah. Um, so. And again, I want to note, there's so much movie left and none of it is, we're past the part of this movie left now. We're past the part where I was like, you know what? This is where I started checking the time. Their plan is, yeah, so heist movies, especially if you're in center early on big, awesome heist, the heist has to be awesome. It has to be interesting how they're going to get around it. They don't explain what their plan is because their plan is really simple, and it sucks.

it's going to be we're going to do the standard like oh I'm just here with these two prisoners and an unconvincing backstory but the plan is going to work because everyone on this planet turns into a fucking credulous idiot throughout this entire sequence uh Lando doesn't even come in

Beckett comes in as her guard looking after the prisoners he waits in the central control room with his weapon basically unattended while she goes and meets with the warden like alone because she claims to be a grand puba of so-and-so and she has slipped the cuff release to Han as they are led away to the prisoner levels which again obviously she she's getting the VIP treatment

because she shows up with two slaves count them two slaves to a planet full of them and so that means she's a very serious person oh by the way the future fake bounty hunter outfit Landauware in Return of the Jedi is being worn by Beckett this scene with like the little Oh is it?

100%. And there's other stuff that that is evocative of the Leia outfit in that sequence too is here like we are in constant reference mode

at this point. But yeah, Beckett shows up with like the big helmet with a little like the ivory tusk type vibe. Oh yes of course. That's from Return of the Jedi. That's from the Java's Palace

stuff in Return of the Jedi. That's what Lando's wearing. And it's just like we didn't need to count for every piece of costume. Yeah, He's leaving in the falcon, yeah, uh-huh. Okay, sure.

I will say it's interesting now to, like, understand more about the pikes, seeing them here is like, oh, yeah, the pikes. That's the pikes. I have thoughts about the pikes now. I certainly didn't, when I first saw this movie, because I wasn't that deep into clone wars and other tertiary materials. But, but, yeah, they get led downstairs. Would you believe it? There are wookie slaves here. Wow.

And they look like they were costumed from a different movie. I get in there trying to maybe say that they're, like, thinner and, like, malnourished or something. Yeah. But they don't look good. Like, I never thought of Chubaka as being big for a wookie. I thought wookies were big. But he looks big for a wookie. Actually, maybe that's good, though, because it shows that he, he's of a heroic stature, even by wookie standards.

You know, it's like. Yeah, but he just got out of enslavement himself. Yeah, but he, but they were like, he's so, he's so shredded that we like watching him shredd dudes. And so, like, you know, he was on that, he was on that, like, liver king diet. It's the buffest, sexiest wookie out there that we can find. I'm going to be lucky, honestly, to land a wookie like that. I agree. You know.

And L3 finds her calling. To start a droid. Like, what's the big distraction? It's going to be L3 starting a droid uprising. Uh-huh. I love the shot of the little, uh, droid on the controls, like, just stomping around. Like, every time we cut to, like, robots just standing there banging on shit, I was cracking up. It's very funny.

Let's burn this motherfucker down vibe of the, of the droids. And, like, imagine if this had been a character who had been taken seriously the whole movie, and then, like, this got to be not just a throwaway gag, but, like, part of her arc in a way that actually... Think about R2. Like, literally, we had this moment in Clone Wars when R2 is, like, no, well, he's. He did use them all as bait basically for that encounter, but he inspired them. And it felt it's like that scene in Spartacus where they're like Spartacus, like all this, this whole slave army is going to die, but you're special.

And like, we could get you away to a distant kingdom beyond the seas. And Spartacus is like, no, I'm going to stay. Our two Spartacus is on that boat. Better to die fighting than to die on your knees. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Bye-bye. So, yeah. We get these, oh, like, and this is the thing that's so fucked up or frustrating is, like, Chewy's rescue his people moment is played straight, right?

Yeah. He separates from Han to do it. There's a moment of, like, you're going to leave us at this point, and then Han being like, good luck. I hope I see you around somewhere and tosses him the, like, weapon so that he can have a better job at it. But the droid rescue shit is a funny gag, and then it doesn't know anywhere. They pay it off. They pay it off by having Chewy and his friends help Han out. when Han's stuck with like the big crate of coaxium or whatever when he gets stuck.

And then Chewy makes the decision to stay with Han instead of going with his people, letting them go to freedom, but staying behind to help out with the thing he promised Han to do, giving a hug to his family. I don't know if they're tight or if it's just rookie solidarity in that moment. Like I don't know what the relationship is there. Maybe that's an important movie from the lore. You guys get on your ship, but I got to go with this guy. Yes.

Do they have a ship? I don't know. I don't know where the rest of the... I don't know where the droids. I don't know. They can make a pod. They'll make a pod or something. And like, all of this action kind of fell flat to me

throughout this whole sequence. I know. If you compare it to the train heist, it's a really inert sequence. Yeah. It feels like... This feels like a reshoots sequence. Like, honestly, it has huge reshoots energy.

It feels like we played... No urgency when he's like... Like, I get the, like, playing it's super casual vlogging moment. Um, but then when things are going awry, he's like, you're not going to believe what it's not. Like, there's just no, there's no tension behind this sequence at all. It's just chaos. It's just like chaos for silly sake. It feels like we're playing Battlefront two and like, oh, Kira's here with her grenade ability.

So we're going to be okay. Yeah. She showed up and tossed those grenades. And then we're going to get back on the ship and fly away. Yeah, I, it's just, it's so. flat to me. But the Wookies fuck up those dudes.

Like that part is like they are tough. Watch all these direct people is fun. Watching like the prisoners come boiling out and like beat up guards is fun but like it's just not well again especially it compares fate like we just saw an awesome prison break sequence like a couple months ago where it's like similarly constrained environments.

We saw a prison break sequence and the heist and both of them were better. Yeah. It is the problem. And like and again we saw better heist in this movie. And this is the big heist. This is the big heist. And unfortunately, it's not as good. The lighting is doing this sequence so dirty because, like, you have these dramatic, like,

the whole movie is comprised of these dramatic sequences of flashing lights where you're in darkness and then there's a spot of light and then you're in darkness and you're going between that. But the flash of the light is not dramatic at all. It just light, it's like you're turning the light on in the room. It's not a flash. It's like you just. turn the lights back on for a second.

And it's so, it makes the action itself, it doesn't line up with the choreography in a way where those like lit sequences feel like they're packing a punch where you're getting an impact of the light and the sound and the visual. It just, it's,

makes everything super muddy. This movie is very muddy in general. Yeah. Um, visually. But that entire like landing pad sequence, like I understand that like decision, okay, it looks like, industrial slag

it's kind of the vibe but like it's not a photogenic space which is okay but it's also not like there's a way things can be like ugly but arresting and it's not that either so it's just like a really blah environment where you have a really

static firefight where nobody really gets hit until it's time for L3 to just die because it's sad plot times for her to be shot and then Lando will be like no L3 and you know also I feel like the the sound of the blasters like in the first fight sequence when when when they're on the train heist the blasters sounds so good and they hit really hard like they I feel like the they're done

really well here it's we're back to Pew Pew Territory like it is not it's just not really hitting the same. Allie, you had something a minute ago, two minutes ago. Oh, well, I was going to say that, like, the prison break previously in this movie is also better than this one. Like, it's the one when you get chewy out, it's way more intimate. It's just the two of them. The, like, the setting is better.

Like, it's just, like, for this movie to be as long as it is to, like, keep repeating these plot beads and have them go. worse each time you see them again is a real detriment to everything about it. Agree. The one piece of filmmaking here that I think is solid is Lando rushing out to L3 says droid rights or something like that and then gets shot to pieces. And Lando, instead of getting on board, runs out to go rescue her. And we get like a kind of a fun shot following him as he like jumps and runs and slides past and shit to pick her up.

and she like crumbles apart in his arms like her torso rips off we're getting some like mechanical gore stuff um uh and then he pulls her and like that would have been a cool thing if not for there this immediately goes which is they need to get the fuck out of here as they take off the imperial star destroyer shows up um they need to figure out we didn't really set this up to get to kessel you have to go through a very limited... We actually talked about this... Cloud tunnel. We talked about this a year ago during the board game. Yeah, because Han is the only person with the speed necessary to make it to Kessel from outside of Kessel in one turn. Without losing a turn to the Milestrum. Exactly.

And so you have to... You have a very limited direction to go through. Or you can try to cut through the clouds, which are filled. with creatures, we're told, and carbon bergs or something, right? Like, basically big icebergs made of raw carbon, raw stuff. And that's very dangerous. And on the way out from doing this heist, a starter store shows up. Han is like, they wouldn't waste tie fighters on just one random ship.

They, of course, do. And begin to be chased through the mail or through the clouds towards the maelstrom. I think this sequence is pretty good in terms of just visual. like Thai fighters chasing the Millennium Falcon Okay I don't we go ahead I'm actually I was like Hey the scenes it's kind of cooking I don't

Why don't I remember liking the scene as much as I do Because okay yes they're reprising the asteroid chase music They are They don't have the quad cannons because that's a Han upgrade They got kind of a rinky dink single gun turret that like can't But it's still cool Yeah it's still cool The gyro thing going on is simply cool

Yeah and it's so And the sound on that thing is good, too. The sound of the Millennium Falcon Cannon is an all-timer. Shout out to, is that Ben Burr? Is that who? Is it Bert? What's the, yeah, Ben Burt. I believe did all the sound effects for Star Wars back in the day.

But then we get to Space Squid. Well, first of all, what we get to is, is it before that before this. This is how they decide to go through. This is how they decide to go through the, the, clouds. L3, they realize we can get through the clouds safely if we can upload the dying slash dead L3's navigational, her mind, her neurocenter into the ship because she has such a good navigational database. She is the best navigational database in the galaxy. So they upload her to the ship to live in there. Maybe not live in there. She can't talk. Nope. She doesn't have

they don't they literally just acted like she was a fucking like USB stick and put her in and no and Lando doesn't even go like first of all it's Han's idea which is fucked up it jumps to it quick

he's so quick to be like we can put your dead co-pilot slash droid girlfriend's brain in the ship like that's a first thought for him that's not like the bottom of the list two Lando doesn't do you can't do that to her. I can still fix. We can bring her

to a droid doctor. There's no it's just like, I guess. That is actually really surprising that there's not one fucking moment of pushback on that. Now that I, I don't have time. We have those tie fighters on us. Also, it was the only thing valuable about her to begin with.

He was like, oh, I should have done that a while ago, right? She must read the whole situation. Like, ran out. But it makes her play like, it plays her from the moment where she's like, oh, Yeah, Lando likes me, but I don't like him like that. He is, okay, when you click, he is crying and rubbing his hand over her dead face and putting his head up against it in a way that is supposed to be paying off his crush on her that she says he has or his love for her or whatever.

But then he is very quick to be like, all right, well, hang on. It's not like she's being put into the ship. It's data's being put into the ship. It's like, she's data. Yeah, she's data. But it's like If you have a hard drive You don't have a computer

You know what I mean And like they put the hard drive In the ship Bro if I die and you put my brain in your car I'm coming back I'm gonna crash you Won't be your brain Austin One second

It will be your memory of routes It will be a route I'm drilling it in I've added a route I added a route The first time It's off a fucking cliff And it says

You try to get from this place to this place go to the cliff and jump. It's Michael Scott. Leave you into the link. But what if, hang on, though, what if I really needed your memories to run away from the space fascists?

And we didn't have a chance. You didn't know you were going to die. We didn't have a chance to talk about that. Why didn't she say it? Why not have her say upload my fucking thing to the ship? She didn't. Give her the last bit of agency. She didn't think she could die.

Give her the- What's happening to me She didn't really It's making ventress It's making ventures to look good in comparison Not gonna lie She at least decided that shit She at least made that decision for herself

She did that It's Leap did not do that She isn't even like a cool sexy lady AI After that, not that would be better If always you were a kid, yes Every issue of 80 for Mass Effect. It's just like so dehumanizing in every way.

Well, that's the funny thing about this is like, we now know that her brain is in the ship forever. She never talks. And she just gets traded back and forth? Yeah. Yeah, they just treat. Like, Landau is never like, I'm not going to put. Crazy Game of Poker forever. Uh-huh.

Yeah. With a droid's memories. A droid's data stores at stake. Yeah. Sorry, I guess it's, it's not like it's her entire, you know, selfhood. It's just all that's left of who she was as a person. It's the final, it's like, what if we put my ashes inside of your car? Well, no, because it's like if we specifically took you apart just to get your ashes to put you in the car, the special part that my car wants.

Your ashes had like, yeah, had like a funny, had a funny GPS to it, like, thanks. One of the goofy little like Waze voices they do occasionally But like this time is the only one that knows through the routes Through the castle cloud It is I just want to be clear Here's some excerpt from the Wikipedia

Han convinces Lando to download L3's Noral cords L3's and they remove her internal processor And then this is fun as they reach the mall cluster L3 constructs a model of the maelstrom and warns them that they're approaching the weird creature or whatever and L3 finds a way out of the 90 degrees finds a way out 90 degrees to the left she is being listed in the Wikipedia right up as the actor doing those things she is looking for the it it's not that the ship uses her data and does it I mean Lland doesn't even says it he says she's interred she's interfacing. Mm-hmm. That's...

Well, it sounds to me like she got on board with it then. Well, it sounds to me like they, why the fuck did they do this when they know that the Millennian Falcon doesn't talk in the fucking movies and they were stuck with a non-talking

droid AI girlfriend that you're plugging into the fucking ship. What are you talking about? You just, you wrote yourself in here. You did this to you. And me. And the rest of my friends why don't give her agency

no don't you know what's better than fucking your car saying your complicated would be girlfriend than turning her into your car okay later adventures this is Ken oh no

now one of its droid brains L3 remained part of the falcon accompanying Solo and Chubaka in their further adventures she recognized that Solo was a better pilot than Calrizian yet she nevertheless wished her partner still owned the ship and was annoyed that he'd gambled the falcon away after everything she had done to save him. This is, she's, uh-huh.

Go ahead. What's up? The thing that kills me is that, like, if you had the final scene of this movie, Lando being like, I don't bet her anymore, like, there could have been an emotional ground to this. There could have been any acknowledgments of what actually happened here. She served the falcon when Solo and Joey helped it use Luke Skywalker. She started the Death Star.

She also helped solo with his friends, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As part of what she dubbed the Millennium Collective, L3 taught the ship's two other droid brains, ED4 and V5T, to have individuality, enabling the collective to work together while also being separate minds, which had confused C3PO. She wholly trinityed the Millennium Falcon's droid brains.

They're individual but together. When the Falcon arrived at Cloud City, which Calyzian had become barren administrator of, of the planet of Bespin, he entered his former ship and remarked that it was not the same without his droid partner. Wanting to let him know she survived, she changed the cockpets display to show Kessel, which Calrizian began to realize meant L3 was alive, only for a Bespin Wingard to enter and informed Calysian that Darth Vader wished to speak to him.

Although she was angered that Calrissian was working for the Empire's chief enforcer, she nevertheless regained her faith in her former partner when he helped Solos' friends escape Cloud City. She's in there! Who said that? Who said, when... This is all canon! This is from the book.

This is from the book that I have a story here. This is from Faith in an Old Friend. This was written by Brittany and Williams, who has also written, is the only Star Wars thing Britney's written, but. Oh my God, here it is page 431. She was like, if the Magi were a good idea. What if the Magi were in the Falcon? But they were all your girlfriend.

It's three of them too. It really is. Yeah, do they all fall in... Are they all in love with Lando? Or they're all her? They all have their own different... No, they're all different people because one of them was a transport droid

and one of them was a slicer droid. They're all uploaded at different times. See, to me, this is all just like good vibes IG88. Oh, my God. Although I don't view IG88 things canon anymore. No, it's not. Because that just opened too many problems for... IG 88 was going to Agent Smith

Star Wars universe and then got blown up in the Death Star. That would have been some problems. Anyway, my point is she's in there. She is in the ship, for real. She's thinking in this story. She's saying things in her brain that no one can hear. Who has ever said the word droid emancipation,

she ends up locked inside of a ship that can't even pilot itself. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about all that. I don't... I don't... Added the list of things that Mando is trying to clean up right now.

We'll talk about that later. What? We'll talk about that in the future. So... So, I'm soon, presumably. Anyway, I think the idea of a giant space squid, for me, it's just like, the sequence goes on too long.

At this point, it's like, we're out here trying to escape castle for a long time, and, like, we had the highs of... I think it is funny when he's like, I've learned the secret from so much, and so he was the best pilot i knew turn till he crashed turn doing this exact move and it's like it's a good bit it's you know you sort of rough lands the the falcon on the like you know asteroid the ties crashed behind it all good and then we get squid chase and we got to feed the squid

to the giant uh like black hole the maw and the only way to escape because the only way They, they, they, they, they, they bathe it into the mall with the, uh, escape pod, which is why which gives the distinct, the iconic notch. Yeah. And it's fate, like, it doesn't have a, it doesn't have the complete nose anymore. It's missing that little bit in the front. That's because we got rid of the escape pod. Yeah.

Wow. I'm so glad I know that. I'm so happy. I am so happy and excited that I finally have an answer for why the millennium falcom is shaped like that. That was an established fact, and that it was an established fact was cool to me. I didn't need to see the moment that it was ejected. I would be happy to say it.

I could have already ejected it by this point. I'm happy to have ended this movie without it having been ejected and just know, oh, at some point, Han and Chewy use the escape pod for something else. Because that's the other thing that happens when you tell a story like this and you put all the iconic things into one two-hour bit. It means that the life between that story and the future moment that you meet the character. nothing new big or big happens that's it exactly there's no drama this one arc of han's life is where everything important to him happened until and then he blacks out and then comes back well don't but with the timing like a couple years go by and he turns into harrison forward at age 30 like that's the other fucked up part of this is it's like as you get eun

McGregor closer and closer to Allenis's portion of the timeline you start being like okay well now if you think

about this starts going to look a little weird but you're doing it like even it's even tighter here yeah like

Obi-Obey one saw is a long hermit period that you can sort of imagine like yeah he's has his long like wandering in desert days

also the age difference there is with Alec Guinness and you and McGregor is just like not that far off where you're like okay I can kind of

start to see it a little bit you and is getting a little bit older Alec Guinness wasn't, you know, stress ages people. Stress ages people. Aligh Guinness was that generation that, like, that's aged.

Yes, yes. Aligh Guinness did have no face creams. No. You know what I mean? He had World Wars. Yeah. Yeah. A little different.

You know who else is the oldest shit? Who's that? Fucking Chewbacca is 190 years old in this movie. Yeah, Chewy's up there. And that's why he's such a good pilot. Which we learned. Because he gets frustrated watching them fumble around a cockpit that they don't know. And he's actually just like,

You don't know where the switches are and I do because I've flown everything because I'm 190 years old. I'm not even a pilot, but I just learned. Which is only, only gets me back, only gets me back to the Clone Wars arc in which it was insinuated that a wookie could not build. They're primitive, primitive species that don't know shit. about technology and spaceships. But Chewbacca exists and also built a radio out of basically trash. So anyway. Anyway, they land on this refinery planet that's like a gas station sand beach, you know, gas station rests up.

Did you know that Hans Solo did the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs? Because he wants to tell you about it, even though we could just let that lie. I like the vibes of this gas station planet being just kind of like dusty and dirty and everything is... Well to me there's also like strong vibes of like this is East Africa like there's strong Sudan

vibes and because this is also where the pirates are from where our land has been devastated and you're calling us marauders and what we're here to tell you is our entire way of love life has been destroyed and disrupted and like we've been subjected to massive colonial violence and so this

is how we make, this is how we take care of our people. Right. We get the reveal here that the Cloud Riders, the group that Enfus Nest runs, are in fact rebel adjacent, are aligned with the rebels. This is where we see more of her crew, including two tubes from Solveyorra. That is him. I saw that. What?

That's tubes. And here's the moment of revelation, because they plot what? Han says, you know what? She's cool. You already set this up. Let's side with them. Fuck the Empire. Let's screw Dryden Voss over and get away Scott-free and help these people.

And the novelization that extends the story, she takes the hyperfuel and gives it to Sauguerre, which jumpstarts the rebellion because he now has the hyperfuel he needs to actually do war shit, basically. And that is like why two tubes is here, part of it. is he ends up sticking around with Saul Guerrera after that and be Or he was inserted in his Guerrera's group via Nest and it's actually a spy and you can't You can't trust it's working for Luthin exactly exactly yeah but yeah apparently in the novelization you get a you get the novelization expands on a bunch of other things obviously And one of those one of those things is like what's up with Enfus Nest a little bit more

and then again additional stuff is like some more stuff I want to say about Tira connected to like how did she get into Crimson Dawn and etc and we get to that because when Enfus Ness explains like so first of all like why isn't anybody here talking like why has nobody said a fucking word to any like to Han and Lando when they landed like why hasn't anyone said anything it's because they got like 13 assassins situation unfolded here and this group rebelled against this group of mercenaries that was like plundering their planet and in reprisal they cut the tongues out of everyone they left alive and so we literally get the 13 assassins moment where like who did this to you and a woman draws the symbol of crimson dawn which makes kira feel very awkward about that little Hannah tattoo she's got of the Crimson Dawn symbol

and also returns us to this question because we haven't talked about this but at every turn Beckett does not like Kira like just when they run

into each other they do not like each other he does not like Kira but he warns Han early because he can see that they know each other from back in the day and that Han is smitten

with her and he warns Han early you do not know who she is you really don't know who she is or what she's done a thing that she's sort of been pains to point out to Han, but in more of a self-serving way, like,

her whole, like, I don't want to tell you everything's happened to me because you'll look at me differently. And when someone tells you something like that, you should probably believe them. And also, like, they tell you that almost to exculpate themselves for whatever they're keeping from you or whatever's going to happen next, is like, well, I did try to warn you that I'm a scorpion. And, and Hans takes it way more as like, babe, I don't care who else you dated while you were apart. Like, that's his energy.

Or I don't even care what sort of criminal shit you had to do to survive. We all got our hands dirty. She hasn't just been surviving. And this is the thing is like, she's been thriving, my boy. Yeah. He still thinks of her. He's like, oh, she's a gangster's mall. And she is.

She's girl bossing her way to the top. But she's actually out here getting her hands dirty and setting up operations. And, you know, was she directly involved with the eradication of the people here? Who could say? Right, right. And so this is, like, it almost comes to blows. She's like, we can figure out a way that doesn't involve us all killing each other. Let's negotiate this.

And this is where Beckett bows out. This is all getting too complicated for Beckett. If they're not going to close the deal with Voss, he wants out. There's, he's waiting down there by the, uh, Lando's bounced, by the way. Oh, yeah, Lando is a very funny bit. Because Lando is a very funny bit. We've skipped some funny bits here, right? There are some funny lines throughout this.

I think it's worth saying. On occasion, I did a little chuckle. Lando leaving is one of those moments. It's earned. We're going to reveal, by the way, of Enfis Ness's face where, like, were we supposed to think that she was like an alien? An alien or like an ugly, you know what I mean? Like a big bruiser, but actually she's like. She's a human.

She's a person. She's like a biracial human from London and has lots of fun. freckles and like let me tell you as a biracial dude like there is a lot to unpack with the representation of biracial people there's a bit of a weird like yes it's not it's not just that like oh she's a kid which is not because there's something about like a you didn't expect someone who looks like this specifically who's like coded good and i think maybe that's it it's like ah but how could a person who looks like this be bad and it's like quite easily but that's what they're setting up is like the people that have been

you know the bad guys the whole time we've been running away from Enfus nest we've been running away they're trying to get in the way whatever she's the heart in the eyes of the hero yeah she's the hero actually and actually we should be joining her and actually we should be yeah she's the she's the human at the heart of it which is you know at the end of the day I will I will I will take the Star Wars movie that manages to put three black characters on screen

and it doesn't turn out that they're related or dating. But you know, if you're horny for droids, though, who's to say? Yeah. You know, that's also being, that's racial quality. That's racial equality, basically.

Anyway, Beckett, like you were saying, Rob, Beckett goes down to the little cliff face to be melancholy and think about his lot and to draw upon away so that they can have a final conversation, what seems I was like, what would be a fun of conversation? Well, first, are we in, are we in the room with Dryden yet?

No. No, we're before this. Okay, okay, okay. That's what I'm saying. Enfus gives her big speech. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, and then, uh, Han goes to talk to Beckett who tells him I'm out, right? Yeah.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, and then they go see Drayton to carry out the swindle. Yeah. Fun swindle idea. It is. well and look i'm a sucker for i think part of this this movie's pulling from something different like now we're in the sting and so we've done like we've done multiple heists we've done a card game with like a cheater in it and now we're doing the whole like a house of mirrors type thing of like which is the

which scam is the scam because first we have han doing the whole like oh i don't really want to show you this processed uh you know hyper fuel because, you know, so dangerous. And Bettney being in on the swindles, like, he does the whole reveal of like, I'm just, I'm really curious. How did you fake it so well? And we had that great, like, moment where Han realizes the game is up and looks like he's panicking as it has revealed that Beckett actually went straight to Dryden and sold him out. And Beckett explains, I told you. I don't know how he got there without being seen walking around. It's the flat land to the super yacht, but we're just going to, it's fine. Don't worry about it. They have a pager. They have a pager.

Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. And then, yeah, Beckett comes in. I think it's a fun reveal. I love the betrayal here. It makes sense. And then the thing, of course, is it's not faked. It's the real hyper.

He deploys his hit team to go attack the cloud riders and attack the station. I dig their overly blinged out armor. Yeah, it's great. It's very fun. It's extremely, you've prestige five times and you've given your, your, it's like, this gang has gotten soft, right? Yeah, like, none of it's worn hard. Like, this shit, like, these are show uniforms that these guys have gone out to do. And the whole thing is getting like very three percenter militia type shit where it's like, yeah, this stuff is to feel cool, but not to actually do the webwork.

They're on that tactical vibe for sure, all black, everything, black and gold. It looks cool, but it is, they get their shit wrecked because they are not, they are not really for real. And because what they do is they open the crate back at the refinery to reveal, oh, no, it's empty. That means that the hyperfuel, the coaxium that that Han brought is the real stuff, which means, uh-oh, that's a high explosive sitting here on board, and it's worth a lot of money. And now Beckett sees that he's the guy with the gun in the room, and he can make a play. And thank God for Woody Harrelson selling this, where he's like, I'm just thinking, and I like being the only one with a gun while I do. It's so good.

Woody, I mean, here's the real problem. Beckett should have gotten away, and I should have gotten five more Beckett movies. I'm like, here's the other thing. I don't even know that, like, honestly, at this point, I think you might have just taken Han with him at that point. Like, sorry I saw the out kid, but I didn't realize the getting away with the whole score was in the cards. On the table. So, right? Let's just shoot Dryden

And the three of us can beat it Yeah But instead he's like I'm taking chewy And we're getting out of here This is all inexplicable I'm gonna tell you something On the power scale here

To become a Twitter power scale really quick Star Wars number one we all know R2D2 Yeah Number two close second chief palpatine Yep Number three Could be Chewbacca

Yep At the very least, Chewbacca gets the six-man award every year, comes in off the bench to make, to like finish the game out, give the stars some rest time, always overperforming. You know, you always go, maybe he could be a starter, actually. Reliable. But reliable. Consistency. Every time.

So maybe I think Beckett might make the right choice. I love Han Solo. Don't get me wrong. But Han and Beckett kind of play the same position on the team. Do you know what I mean? And so like, do I really want to, I'm going to come with Chewy, Chewy. Chui kind of fills the Val role and the Rio role. Could be the co-pilot, could be the tactician, is an engineer, you know what I mean?

Like has the, you know, great support staff across all those fields. I might take Chooey. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Anyway, it doesn't go the way that we're talking about, though. It kind of goes bad. Beck and Chui leave, and then we are left with Kira and Han. alone in the we didn't talk about

his office but it's like filled with artifacts under glass and big glass tables and a 360 vista all around through these like bright windows and we get like a three part or a three way fight scene

yeah it's not really a three way fight scene it's really just Kira and him beating the shit out of each other and then Han is there too trying to get to the gun the fight starts with Han and like they're scrambling for weapons they're shooting

yeah they're doing that stuff and then Kira he's about to get he's about to get a shot off on Dryden and Kira knocks the weapon out of his hand and that lures Vossin the thinking he's safe right

right and she does oh we I'm sorry such an important thing we did forget something important about Kira during the heist on castle how does she take out the pike overseer Austin

she uses a a rare form of martial arts. It's just too bad we couldn't have found a stunt woman who knew about those martial arts because the way they sell this is Beckett is looking through the tiny little visor of the window and just see legs of the cape spinning around at the bottom of the frame while the pike guy is not getting owned. She, of course, is a master of Teres Kasi. This is it being reintroduced into canon for people who are unfamiliar in the legends canon in the old EU.

Teres Kasi was a martial art called steel hand. Teres Kossi means steel hand, which is a famous martial art that does it use the force or is it just a cool martial art? There's something like, wasn't there like something like Masters of the Terrace Kasi or something like that? I mean, that was the video game. That was the, that was the, uh, PS1 fighting game. Um, that was trash, but I loved it. Hmm.

You know? So, I think it's one of those things where it was like, it didn't use the force, but it meant that like, if you knew it, you could keep up with a Jedi or a force user because it was so effective, you know? Interesting. Yeah. I don't think there's no, no force.

stuff, but you could take on force people because it was so effective of martial art. Anyway, she knows it, and she pulls that antique saber, and she's, like, poised to execute Han, and Drayden is like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, very sheave to ours. Very, yeah. Yeah. Kills him. Yeah. This is the bit where she says, I'll be right behind you. She says something to Han in this moment. Yeah, and said she...

We'll talk about the thing. Yeah. But what's the thing she said something to Han in this moment where she says, you are the good guy and Hans like, I'm a terrible person. And I was like, you haven't really been terrible yet. Mm-hmm. Like, you haven't really been a... Like, Cassie and Andor, you can tell he's done some fucking shady shit.

And he's doing it now, by the way. Right now, right this... Somewhere else, Cass is running game. Whereas... For nothing, for pennies. Cass just knifed a guy. so he could get a hamber. You know what I mean?

Exactly. They are not the same. We are. They are absolutely not the same. Which is fucked up because it's Han Solo. Who is like the scoundrel. He's the... Am I wrong about this in thinking that Han, in reputation, in my imagination,

Han Solo got up to some dirt before a New Hope. Even leaving out the EU stuff, just the way a new hope. presents Han Solo. It feels like Han has done dirt. True? False?

I mean, definitely the fact that like, especially in the original cut, him killing Grito does not seem like an unusual day for him. Like, that's part of it too. It's just the whole like

the casual nonchalance of like, and occasionally after cutting a deal with a client, I have to wax a bounty hunter. Right. The way we get introduced to Han Solo, is he dropped the drugs

when a drug bust was happening and fled and now a bounty hunter is after him and he kills the bounty hunter in a public bar that's Hans Solo is I'm a terrible person that yes that he's not a terrible person yet

all he's done is help people this whole fucking movie he hasn't made one selfish choice the whole movie it's all been to get back to Kira to you know help Cast this guy clean as a bone. Exactly. Yes.

Han is not tough in this moment. That's what gets me about this movie too, because you'd think that of a Han Solo movie where the point of the movie is Hans-So is actually a really nice guy who loves truly and wants to defend his friends would be like catnip to me because like Han Solo. I like He's a people person. I like Han Solo.

But this movie is so. mid and like there's no like there's no growth there's no yeah there's only in fact there's only like a down spiral for him because we have to get to the end of this movie and be like oh this is where he learns to shoot a guy and like he was already a guy from the streets right he was already in the military he was already like poor and didn't have a name and like man what are we doing yeah No, so I like this. So I will defend the ending on this, on this point. I think I like the final scene between him.

I like the final scene. I like the final scene. And I think there is a difference between, he's a guy who shoots back at people. But why is he that? Why, at what point in his life did he learn he, that it was the good thing to do to shoot second? He came from the place where you learned you got to shoot first.

Yeah, that's true. But this is the thing that makes him. And also, like, Beckett, yes, Beckett betrayed him a moment ago, but it's not like he, it's not like Beckett killed someone he loved, it's not like Beckett, Beckett took some money and ran, you took the fuel and ran, that's not even that big of a betrayal given, oh no, do you think there's a chance Beckett was lying when he said, you made a good move and I was going to, I was going to kill you, and actually he's just making Han feel better, because actually he wasn't going to do that

at all, he was going to try to back Han off and figure a way out. That's what he literally just did. If Beckett was that dude, he could have killed everybody in that room with the gun that he had. You know? So, I don't know. Anyway. It just doesn't even feel like Han is particular. Let's explain what happened to people who didn't see it.

And we'll come back to the other part of the Kira thing in a second. Han leaves. Kira says, I'll be right there. Han chases down Beckett, finds Beckett and Chewy. Chewy's carrying the two big cases of coaxium. Han pulls the gun and, you know, Hey, he's Dryden Dead, uh, Kira kill him, which is a great line, because again, uh, Woody Harrelson is just doing great. Um, and, and he goes, you still don't get it. Do you, kid?

It was never about you. She's a survivor. You know what your problem is? You think everybody's like you? Not you, kid. You're nothing like me. I hope you're still paying attention because now I'm going to tell you the, most important... I have the smart move, get it for once. I'll have a smart move, kid, for once.

I'll kill you. I don't know what it was coming by that valicorni. I know. You know, Woody is trying to gesture at the fact that Kira has it, knows that you have to kill people on this game. And then very blatantly threatens his life and says, you know, I'm about to teach you the most important. He does everything but pick the gun up at that moment.

So I do kind of, Rob, I do kind of read it as him even in this moment being like, all right, now is when you have to shoot me. Because what's Beckett have to live for at this? He has nothing left. He is nothing left. There's a way in which I read this as him. He is teaching on the final lesson by saying, shoot me. Right? Which I do like.

I do like this. I like. And then the big final like tearful farewell between the two of them. You know, Beckett having someone with him as he dies, pays that off. And not obviously still having, like, affection for this man. Yeah, I don't mind that stuff. But I don't think it fits into that larger arc. Sorry, Allie, go ahead.

Right, but, like, yeah, if this is so final for Han Solo, like, the girl leaves him and he learns that, you know, you can't really love people. And his mentor leaves him, and he learns that he can't trust people and you have to shoot them or whatever. Like, A, why is he still Han Solo at this point? because start a new life and B, why are you going to tattooing to do

the thing that that guy said he was going to do? You don't fuck with that guy anymore. Yep. Again, you don't know anybody anything at this point. You're at that point now where you don't know anybody anything. It's even, once again, he was wrong about the thing of like, once you're in, you're in. You're in fact out at this point.

You could, and even, you could give Enfith's Nest all but one rack of the fuel and be like we're gonna keep in fact he should have done that that could have been

the moment of him still being Han Solo would have been him giving her almost all of the fuel and then Chui being like

what are we gonna do there's the self-serving and Han being like yeah I kept a little bit for us but you know

yeah like it worked too fast too furious 100% instead he gives her the stuff and again she's like

this is the this is hope does she say this is hope what she said something like that Isn't that just the rogue one line again? She's like this, it's like, yeah, this isn't just fuel, or like this, do you know this is really fueling, this is healing, this is healing help, hope or something like that.

I think she says she gives him one, she gives him one. She gives him one to like send him off. Yeah. Which we also know, by the way, it was worth like 600 credit. This is the other thing. Right, that's the thing. See, Andor knows the, like you remembers what the value of credit is. like sticks to that scale.

Whereas this is like, hey, thanks for giving us this huge heist. Here's a buck. Here's a buck. You could use this to get past one guard on the planet you're from. It's a single bribe. They got to be like just real shit in the hierarchy. So funny. So anyway, Kira.

Kira makes a call. Having brushed off Han. she pulls down the villain shades no it they auto drop when she plugs in the the evil ring because you're making a phone call you don't want to get claire yeah yeah of course on the zoom also private call and who is it that she calls it's darth mall baby who i knew was coming sitting in a throne in his sith blacks like ready to go all all black everything I mean I it's the Holocaust, so all blew everything. What's the conversation here?

She lets him know that Dryden is dead. Crazy shit happened here. Everyone died. Except me. Everybody died. I'm the only one left. I couldn't tell you who did it. Is everybody downstairs having a good time?

Yeah, that's my... Oh, is the party still, like, popping right now? She gets that yacht moving, and I assume that's not a crew of one. Like, she's not in the cockpit, like, steering the yacht along and it runs by itself. So, you know, I'll bet you if you work on that yacht. There's a lot of things you just learn not to ask questions about. Yeah.

Respect the ring. Just whoever's wearing the ring? Yeah. Mom was like, really, really? One person, Beckett killed Boss by himself. And she's like, if only I was there, I bet I could have, I could have saved him. And he's like, bring the ship to me at Dathamere. And then I'll tell you what to do what we're going to do about.

about Beckett and his accomplices. The final moment we see, is it L like this from Darth Mall? How many Ls do we have to see Darth Ball take? Can we actually talk about literally the funniest thing in the world that you could make Darth Mall do in this moment, and he does it? He's sitting on the throne, and he's like, he what he needs, he's trying to be a boss here, I guess, but he goes, bring the ship to Dathir, and then you and I will decide what happens with Beckett and his crew.

but while he's doing it he reaches his arm out and summons his lightsaber and then he stands up with his lightsaber in hand and he extends it and we get the full shot it's him holding the dual bladed lightsaber as if to say to the audience remember it's that guy from the thing that you watched 15 years ago from phantom menace it's the guy who looks like a devil then he had a lightsaber and it has two blades and then he puts it away in the call ends why the fuck did he take his lightsaber out the middle of the call and says you and i are working together much more closely from here on yeah it's but she's going Sith mode she's going Sith mode why the fuck did he need to go get a prop it makes you look because it makes it horny it makes it this moment is horny again the way that she he's holding it like it's Taymore he's holding it and the way she's looking at the lightsaber it's like glow like her whole face is being illuminated her eyes like start like getting wider she's like enthralled with this with the saber he's holding and he's like teasing her with it he throws it out like we're going to be working a lot more

closely you got to zoom and then you know and then puts it away it's a little tease it's horny i don't think she ever learned time i can't believe we missed out on the secretary of star Wars films Oh god I want I want their adventures And then what So when does he die after this

Like right now Possibly as soon as she gets there Is the problem Like We have not finished mall story Is all I will say We will find out Where a mall goes from here

In future content Okay wait question There is more mall for us Does Does mall Does what happens in Sondadathamir is that

That's pre this I believe I guess I don't So at this point In that in that story Yeah right This is The empire is here

Right Right Yes This is well after that Oh right Of course Before the end of the Clone Wars Right right

Of course of course Yeah So yes That was before So he's been running The Crimson Don for a while Yes Good

The implication is not that he named The Crimson Dawn Not that he was like, my face is the sun, and he's not like, you know, it's really dawning is the age of mall. No, that is, it is his. He started Crimson Dawn. This is the group that he started with, I believe. With Savage. With Savage.

Yeah, it was his original, like. That was his part of the Shadow Collective. Yeah. It was the Crimson Dawn. I'm pretty sure that was right. I don't know. And then he made the mallware little Crimson Dawn tag. when they played online together

and he had really elaborate ranks for Crimson Dawn members but like you had to show up on raid nights to maintain your rank he took the guild really seriously like the roles so seriously meant something you had to really outsource a lot

to dudes like Voss because he's like I am going to be on death of mere prestige and y'all just make sure that the crime stuff continues to work out so yeah so then I just want to say, if you're interested in what happens with Kira, that is out there. Like, that is, again, a big part of the, uh, the Dr. Afras. She, she talked about Dr. Afras.

She shows up in War of the Bounty Hunters. She shows up in just Star Wars, the 2020, um, uh, Marvel comic. Um, she's in, again, bounty hunters a lot. She's, like, all over that stuff. You can go find a list of her appearances and stuff, um, all over the place. I think there's even a book that she's in, like a Y-A book, that is about her maybe before this happens. There's a lot out there. This is one of those things, right?

But you can also just go read the Wikipedia about what her arc is. Unsurprisingly, her arc is very Star Warsy in the sense that, like, she ends up being a rival. She ends up having, like, arcs trying to fuck over Vader and Palpatine. She ends up being part of the Crimson Dawn for a long time and, like, running the as a criminal organization, but then that ends up working alongside the rebels in some interesting ways. There's like, she meets Leia, post Leia and

Han hooking up, and so they have conversation. Like, there's a lot to who she's a being. She's around in that way. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. But I don't know any of that stuff in a firsthand way, so I don't have to tell you. I'm not vouching it. I'm just saying. It is there, you know.

I think one thing that came to the end of this is I can't figure if I like that her motives are opaque to me and I'm not sure if they're even clear to her or if it's a problem that she's not like a more effective femme fatale type character because like Beckett's take is that from the beginning she has seen in Han and the way he looks at her

and his loyalty to her is an opportunity like she has been looking for someone to turn against Voss to create a scenario by which she could get out from under this guy and, like, take his place. Like, Quinlan vibes. Like, like, the way of, like, Ventris is using? The way that Quinlan, the way that Quinlan was manipulating his relationship with Ventress as, like, and disguising it under, you know, masks of, oh, no, I'm not dark excited. Oh, oh, I was dark excited.

Oh, no, I'm not. and I mean she's doing a similar thing in terms of like oh I'm in too deep I've done so much that you have no idea but God I wish I think of you and I smile I think of our of us being on adventures together and I smile and like I'm still the good person that you knew three years ago right and that's thing is like is all those scenes like part of manipulation or is the part they're part of her throughout the film that's kind of flirting with this idea of I could go back to who I was I could walk away from all of this and like reclaim that like literally sliding doors moment I don't I don't think you make that jump to to being to calling up mall yourself like I don't think you go from I wish

we could have been on adventures together like I think about it all the time and then in the moment that you call up mall yourself in the moment that you could leave like that's just a big jump big character jump if you weren't the whole time decided

on the fact that like what you were going to do was use this to get closer to mall and like in and further your own career. I mean, I guess to Sith career. Part of what's happening here is that she knows, part of why she is like there is no way out for me. It's because she's one of the rare people who knows that actually Dryden Foss does not run Crimson Dawn. Mall does. And Mall is not someone you can step away from. Mall will fucking find you and hurt you if you mature, like in a way more scary way than

Ryden Foss does. At least that's what we're, you know, that's what she believes is what we're supposed to believe. We've just seen them all take L after L. So, like, I get that part where it's like she does feel like she's in too deep. When she says, I've done things, it is things that let her come into contact with Darth Mall enough that she knows she can't, she can't go on the run with, with, with Han and Beckett and Chooey. It's true.

He knows her. Like, he, that. He knows her. He knows her. He's not like, who are you? And she's like, uh, yeah. Yeah, I worked with Dryden Voss. Yeah, that's a good point.

You know, he's able to be like, okay, well, come see me. Yeah. You know where I am. You have my address. So, which is funny, the fact that he's back on, she said to come to Dathamere. What are you going on Dathamere, bro? What is he? What's going?

I want to go there. What's going on in Dathamere these days? I want to go. Tell me about it, please. Probably not much You can go to Dathamere in Jedi Fallen Order And you can see what's going on there And it's not it's not

It's not great It's bad there Have you all any of you get that far in that game No It's a bunch of It's a bunch of Zabrak Night Brothers who are just like Have been incensed and manipulated

By a new dark-sided guy To be Brother Telson I mean no he's like another weirdo Man be Zabrak on Dathamir sucks It seems bad. You kill so many of them in that game. They're, like, one of the primary enemy types.

It's not that game. I'm excited for the sequel, but I don't know. There's a primary character who is a knight sister, though. Like, that is the pseudo-romantic interest of the main character is a knight sister. Well, hang on. Now I'm a little more interested in all this. Is she in the sequel, perhaps? She is.

All right. She's in Star Wars Archie Andrews going to get a got a girlfriend. It's so funny. I mean, that is exactly her vibe. Her name is Marin. She has hair, unlike Ventress. I guess Ventress got hair eventually. This is her.

I don't know if this is her from the first game and the second game. Oh, sure. Okay. She could do better than him, but, you know, what can you do? She looks like that girl that Master Chief nailed in that TV show. she does unfortunately yeah

we had another clone wars that we skipped what did we miss what was another ref we missed was it Beckett that killed

Oro Singh Oro Singh yeah yeah Lando I want to say Lando because it's Kahn and then you start Falcon versus Falcon

Falcon, right? Falcon versus Falcon. That's Falco. Falco's here. Anyway, yeah. Or Singh. Becky didn't kill her. Condo Oskis, ex-wife, the Falkelder.

What do we think? What do we think? Is this? Who was it? Oh, Lando says you really like, like help me out on that one. Like, I really needed her. I needed her out of my life.

Mm-hmm. Really? Mm-hmm. Did you? Pansexual. Right. They had a little thing. you know right right he was really into the antenna because it reminded him of a droid

right not a not a pervarian squad jumper who's out there jumping now no that's I think you mean a a jump a jumbling jogler jango jumper yeah oh yeah what's the full what was her friend's name yeah her friends a very good friend orrists okay wait You're people are getting confused Ora Singh is not the whatever jumper from the Taras Sunaubei episode No Ora Singh is the bounty hunter

She's the one who tries to murder Padme And tried to kill Padmei And Assoca Like saw her in the vision I thought she was also hopping around Is she just of that race Hondo? She is not a Terrellian jango jumper

And she's the one who felt like she was X's with Hondo They're different races Or a sing is, of course, a paladovin. Okay, right, obviously. I looked her up before and I thought it was a palisubin. I totally understand. I get you.

Yeah, I can see where you got there. I can see why you thought Casillida Cassie Cryar was. Oh, Cassie, right. It was Cassie. Yeah, Cassie and her girlfriend. I own Mark Marcy. Yeah. Anyway.

Anyway, shout out to Morris saying I guess she's dead now, so. We care, I don't. Who knows? I guess not. Who knows? Yeah, I guess. But you know what the

working title for this project was when it was under wraps? Star Wars Red Cup. Yeah? Of course. Sure. Star Wars, Beer,

Paul. Star Wars Pratt House. It's a perfect title for this movie because it's familiar and unsatisfying. Get them. Totally overwhelming.

It was honestly outside of L3, it was totally fine. I wasn't like... Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Finish your thought off. No, I mean, that's pretty much it.

Were we, I sort of remember, in the episode where we were like, oh, they're exes with Ora Singh, was that supported or was that us doing a bit? Nope, I'm looking at Wikipedia. No, I know that it's, yeah, I understand. We were right. I'm trying to figure out, was that in the episode or did we intuit something? Honda says it at some point. Honda says like my ex, like we have a complicated thing going on. Yeah, okay, okay, got a, yeah, yeah.

I only speak from the source material I never go into fan fiction land We did it We did it We watched solo I'll never forget it We now have rebels in front of us What was everybody's least favorite reference in this movie? Because mine was when Lando says I hate you

And Ron Solo says I know I'm so mad about it It's so bad that they did that I did not I did not For me It was the my leg guy Just because like in the

Wait what's the my leg guy In the war like zone When they were in war When Han was in the war Some guy's just like, my leg, my leg, like just doing the my leg thing. Okay, what's the my leg thing? Is this a reference? I don't know. I mean, there's that guy, and I'm sure it's in stuff other than this, but in Spongebop.

There's a guy that is always going like, my leg, my leg. Is this Star Wars reference? I think it's so I just thought it was like a general thing in movies where there's a guy who's like my leg or TV or stuff you know Natalie watching the start of saving

Private Ryan Is this a SpongeBob reference? Hey this is awesome in the edit I think Natalie was 100% right I reviewed the tape I think this was in fact a SpongeBob reference All right, bye I was not a fan of

Looky Chess And him getting angry And I was just like I enjoyed the moment where he turns it into People are predictable He gets into the like he You know he plays the man right He reads people

He sees people's predictable Uh huh But actually making Chewy just like suck at chess And get big mad at the chess board again And, like, was kind of weak. I didn't like that. Here are some other ones I don't like.

Chewy putting the ammunition, the... He just gets the, like, bullet belt. What is that called? The harness. A bandalier, yeah. Oh, bandolier. Uh-huh. The harness, yeah.

Who can get the harness. I don't like that. He says, I have a good feeling about this. I hated that. I wrote that one down. I hated that. You're not... Who the fucking.

fuck no. You can't just say it wrong. That's the last time he said it. He's all, but now Han's heartbroken, now he doesn't have good feelings. He only has a bad feeling. Is that what we're supposed to think? I think so.

In the old days, Han used to go, I have a good feeling about this. But then he had to kill Beckett and he had his heart. But Luke is the first person who has a bed. The problem is everyone says that. It's just a thing that Star Wars people say. Yeah.

First time. I have a bad feeling about this first time. People have feelings in Star Wars. People do be having feelings in Star Wars. Oh, ew, I went to Star Wars on the Wikipedia for the list of every time someone says it, which is wild that they have that. And they list it in canon media films, they start with episode one and do it chronologically, which is not the way they should do it. You're right. You're right. You're right.

It is Luke on the way into the Death Star. And then Hans says it moments later in the trash compactor, which they should know. used it twice that close to each other either. Anyway, yeah, I don't, I don't, look, I don't like repeating that. I think, like, and that's the right. I think the weakest parts of the film are the fact that, like, so much of it is just, like, signposting toward,

remember all this stuff in the movies. You take the Han Solo-ness out of this, and you have a pretty good space Western here. With a group of characters that you would not mind seeing again, In various stories. Like, I mean, how? I wouldn't, like, it's shame to kill Beckett because I would watch a bunch of movies

where, you know, Beckett and Aaron Rice's character. You know what? Fuck it. They should have Woody at, they should just do the original crew with him, Val, and Rio and do prequel sequels of him. Yeah.

And then you just fast and furious your way out of any of them being dead. Uh-huh. Uh, here's another one. Lando says, of course, that he hates mining colonies. But, of course, he ends up running one at Bespin. That's too bad. Wow, that sucks for him.

But we did it. We're through. Yeah, that's where I was going. Now we go to Rebels. We go to Rebels, and I'm going to just be very clear about what we're watching next, so that we all watch the right things, because it's a new thing, Which also, by the way, super excited about starting Rebels, now would be a good time to tell people, hey, go listen to Star Wars podcast a more civilized age because it seems as if Rebels content is going to be very relevant. If you were interested in the other things that the Philonian co are making, the extended Philoniverse, knowing who these characters are, seems important for like the Asoka show that's about to come out. Seems important for potentially future Mandalorian over, you know, a crossover stuff.

So join us. Yeah, joining us here and telling your friends to join us for our dive into rebels. We are going to be watching the following things. The Machine and the Ghost, Art Attack, Entanglement and Property of Ezra Bridgers. These are all short or Bridger. These are all shorts that are, I believe, available on Star Wars. I guess I need to go make sure that that's true. They might even just be on the YouTube.

Yeah, those are just straight up on the YouTube channel, which are shorts. They're all very, they're like three minutes each. Then we will be watching Star Wars Rebels Spark of Rebellion, which is a two-part slash TV movie thing that is just on Disney Plus. That is the kickoff for rebels. So that is what I believe we are watching. Let me just double check while I'm here, click on Star Wars, go to Rebels and see if it says like, you know, if the shorts are available there. Because if they are, that would be even better. They are not.

So Star Wars, Star Wars Rebels on Disney Plus just immediately kicks off with Spark of Rebellion Part 1 and Spark of Rebellion Part 2. Those are what we'll be watching along with the four shorts, I believe, unless you all want to do more than that. But I think that's probably an okay for our star. Pilots are also good to take on their own. I agree. So let's do that. I'm ready. I'm ready to be a rebel.

Me too. Yeah. I'm ready to meet these characters. I'm ready to enjoy. Yeah, Star Wars characters we've never met or interacted with or anything. No hang-ups about this at all. Just a fresh start. I hope that that's true.

I hope that we don't get to them and immediately feel like The second episode Hondo is there Did you imagine? Oh man I mean I expect I wouldn't put it back

Again eventually If we don't vibe with some of these characters We might have a big problem Like it's correct Because It's love wars was all like You know It can be different shows

From week to weeks sometimes Like you won't We'll go weeks Not seeing Anakin except in the background But we don't like The main crew here It's them but we're going to like them, I bet, I hope.

Yeah, we'll see. Next time. Can I make a request of question askers for the next episode? Send questions about Utapawa, not solo. Please. I mean, send solo questions, but in terms of things that we want to talk about. I'm not sure yet that this goes out before we record the next Q&A. Okay, fair enough.

The timing is weird, so we just might not get questions on solo, and let me tell you something. I'm okay with that. There will be other opportunities to talk about Han Solo We've already talked about all the little freaks If you were going to ask a question About a creak We talked about something being horny once

We talked about all the references we don't like Yeah We didn't talk about the yummy looking drinks But I will say it right now The drinks looked yummy Yeah And outside of that There's nothing else to say

That's kind of one neat Yeah Nothing About solo ever again will I have to say I will forget about those two little cocktails though I need

like a bucket of emosos okay what were the cocktails he drank because he like he double fisted them and then all of a sudden he just had like a milkshake all over him he was not drinking what everyone else was drinking at the party he was sipping on something else

Rob Rob Rob was like you need to understand about having a big beard Natalie that's Rob of speaking from experience. Yeah. Just the viscosity look different. I think it changes

when you drink it. I think it's different in the cup than in the mouth. Anyway, so next week, there will be a Q&A episode, but due to the time, it might not be about solo.

It might just be about Oudapau. We'll see how it shakes out. Son of Dathamir? We already do that. The other one. Dark disciple. Dark disciple. Dark disciple. Dark disciple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Oudapal. The legacy materials.

So if you like to hear that or just want to support the show, you can do so at patreon.com slash civilized. Until next time, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice. And remember to get ready for rebels. Get ready for rebels is rebel. Let's get ready to rebels. Hell yeah. All right. It'd be hilarious that the ending of this Rebel series was, Luthan selling them all out for his own ends.

And like, the cell just didn't know that about. For the last year, everyone's been very kind to us about that spoiler. That'd be so funny. Luton got them all killed. All right. Take it easy. We had to clap. Oh, yeah.

Is it all right? Ready. 30? 30. 30. I don't know. We're going to be able to be. We're going to be.

I'm going to be able to be. Thank you.