A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 63: Droids in Distress, Fighter Flight, and Rise of the Old Masters (Rebels 03 - 05)

Episode Date: May 24, 2023

Dedicated television watchers know that you can only learn so much from a show's pilot episode. Performances might not be dialed all the way in yet. The show's style of composition, blocking, editing, and other cinematic elements is still under construction. Hell, even the tone and attitude might be up in the air. But by episode 5, all that wet cement has started to set into a more final shape. And it is exactly here, at episode 5 of Rebels, that we learn just how hard this show is going to go... Show Notes   Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Ricardo Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)    

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zackney, joined by Alia Kampora, Austin, and Natalie Watson. Today we have a trifecta of Rebels episodes that explore the relationships among the crew of the ghost and advance Ezra's Jedi training to matriculation. It begins. He starts doing some Jedi training after some false stuff. starts. But, you know, there's no, here's the thing of the new world we're in. There's less through lines than there were in the old show. Uh, this is, this is three episodes. Like,

yeah, there's stuff that's like there's, but we knew that this wasn't going to be an arc because we plowed the season out that way. But there are, I'm going to say, there are also more through lines in other different ways. Yes. I, yep. It's doing the serialized episodic thing a little more. Exactly. It's not an arc. It is referencing other, like, things that have already happened, like, even in a sort of innocuous way, like a very casual way, which is, it makes it feel even more like we're

in a world, even though we're kind of doing disconnected things. Like, these characters still have experienced that thing and are now slightly forward in time. With the exception of really big stuff in Clone Wars, no one ever talked about what they did the previous episode. No one talked about the Zillow Beast ever again. Yeah, Zillow Beast never came back up. Well, and the Clone Wars was concealing the fact that everything was out of order. Right. There was a giant monster ravaging Corrassant. How many thousands of people were traumatized, never spoken about again. That's why they never brought it up. You know? It became really bad form to ever discuss the Zillow Beast. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough.

but it does give an effect of like if this was a weekly show it really does feel like a week passed by for the characters as well right oh yeah we saw that tie fire last week and now it's on the news right yeah yes it's not like the next day it's not like yeah but it's also not not mystery amounts of months later uh-huh or before like we're not like we're not back to Stop, sis. Not yet. Like, we did that so many times. We did.

So many times. We're in a better, better world now. Better timeline. Let's not get carried away yet. Let's, let's dig into droids in distress, which introduces team ghost to 3PO and R2. We made it exactly a pilot episode before we had to introduce 3PO and R2 to the crew, as they are attempting to hijack a weapon shipman.

So to make it a long story short, the crew is on hard times at the start of the episode. They need some fast cash. So they take a job stealing guns on behalf of their regular fence. I forget his name, Diet Hondo, basically. Vizago. Zago. Vizago.

I might like him more than Hondo right now because he's actually a little bit more of a piece of shit. Uh-huh. He is. We'll discuss the play he makes at the end. They intercepted an imperial official who was in charge. of closing the purchasing deal on some illicit weapons. And she is using our favorite protocol on astromack droids as her interpreter.

Well, she's using three pills, her interpreter. R2 is just there as his husband. And so they're married. And so the crew, like get the info on the exchange. But the moment they crack into their loot, they realize they are stealing disruptors, which are a lot like blasters slash ion cannons. but when these hit you, they become a war crime. It turns out these guns were used to nearly exterminate Zeb's people,

and he is opposed to people trafficking in them. The point is kind of mooted when the ISB crashes the exchange where they're in the process of trafficking the disruptors, at which point the crew with the aid of our two and three PO make an escape and exploit the disruptors to cover their tracks. Along the way, we learned that Agent Callis personally helped lead the assault on Zeb's people before the two engage in a duel bearing the ancestral weapons of his kind. At the end, it's kind of like a bat-lith, but also like a Darth Maul lightsaber,

but also like a cattle prod. At the end, the Team Ghost reunite 3PONR2 with their boss, Baylor Gama, who wants to hear more about this rebel band the droids encountered. There's rebels out there? That was unfortunately not Jimmy Smith. But there is another guest voice in this. episode. Oh, yeah.

I don't know if anybody picked up on this. And it's, in fact, is a Disney classic Star Wars connection. The RX-24 pilot droid, aka Rex, first got to start in Star Tours. The original Star Tours ride. Oh, shit. It's that pilot. And now they've got to have been forcing Droid Jim Crow. That's beautiful.

Troy Jim Crow. He is voiced by Paul Rubens, as he was. Pee B. Herman, as he was in the original Star Tours, they brought Paul Rubin's out for this one. Very happy. See him go work. That's so cute. That's cute. That's good Star Wars. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. There's a bad version of it, I think, in this set of episodes. It's not clear in the episode, but I think is a choice that nostalgia, they made a nostalgia choice in the next episode that I'll get to that I don't think was the right choice. So, uh, anyway, you know, I came in this pretty,

I was like, here we go, R2 and C3PO. Yeah, I like them. They're good. They're still good. I was happy to see them. I don't know why we were all so ready to say goodbye. I was killed. It's a little early.

It's a little. Okay. Maybe the timing was a little off. Maybe the timing was off. I would have loved just a few episodes of like, I wonder if any of the classic Star Wars characters will show up. And instead, it's kind of like, hey, remember these two comic, the comic relief? Here they are. Yes.

But they are, like, R2 is really good in this. It's a great R2, great R2. Yeah, it was a good R2, like, cold open too. Yeah. What's he doing in the opening? He just comes in. Yeah, he comes in, and then it immediately cuts to the title card. I was like, oh, that's R2.

Title card drop when R2 shows up. Yeah. See, Phoebe's foot is all fucked up. He's got some other droid leg from the knee. down on his right leg. It's like white or silver or something. So, but this is actually, though, isn't his leg off color in the original in the first film? This is not, uh, maybe, but, uh, in one of the features that I watched, Pablo Hedago was like, now we didn't, we don't know, we don't know. If this stays, we don't know where this came

from. We don't know where, where this goes, but they just get fucked up sometimes. And C3 is always just being made by, with different parts. And it's just like, what window into the life C3 when here's a window of time when his foot was. like this so it's like niles crane showed up and every season of fraser he was maimed in a different way and nobody talked about it no yeah it really is it's so funny uh um i'm trying if there's any other uh early things here worth shouting out the okay i will say i got real like yeah there was a moment where i wasn't i wasn't in on the gag see oh so i thought Ezra was really being

legit mean to the droid as they began doing their bickering siblings thing and I was like, Ezra, if you speak to that droid that way. I know, I know, I know. Like, out the airlock. That droid is way more member of this crew than you are. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I feel like that about Ezra basically in every scene.

I don't have, I have love for Ezra so far. Like, I don't have, like, love, like. You mean, you mean like, I have love for him? in that like phony way people say on like social media where it's like I got lots of love for someone but like it actually means they suck and I know that but I'm not going to like own that well everyone was very concerned that

I was already openly roasting Ezra on social on my Twitter because I posted a photo of me trying to explain explain myself and my thoughts in which

like that that photo of my life Cyrus is Ezra Bridgers to me, personally. I don't know what else there is to say about it. And I gave a follow-up, which further, I think, exemplifies the point. So I just don't think there's anything else to say. I just wanted to clear that up, you know. I appreciate it.

Yeah. And also Bridger. We're going to keep doing it. It's Ezra Bridger. Singular Bridger, not Bridgers. No, it's Ezra Bridgers, and he is in the band Boy Genius with Lucy Dawkins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. my early note for me

they really got on this Delta flight wearing all of their regular ass like military clothes they're like John like Sabine is on here wearing her Mandalorian armor what are you doing no incognito no incognitos no incognitos just

dial it back one step y'all are wanted I mean look Star Wars is effectively a lawless place right like the empire has created small little like, it's like the light of a street light is the order they bring to the galaxy, and

you go like one foot outside of it, and you're just getting on a bus with like parabolitaries. And it's just like, yep. Star Wars. The people we meet on a bus, huh? You know, I met him, I was sat next to a Mandalorian warrior today on the bus, honey. You're getting on the flight with the people

who are going to hijack the flight. It's like the start of airplane, basically, where the guys are running onto the plane, like carrying the automatic weapons. So you're just like, yeah, all right. Here we go. This is the type of day we're about to have. Go ahead.

I do have a question with like how smooth this job is. It's like they create a disturbance where chopper is being rude, I guess. And then because of that are like, oh, well, droids aren't a lot to be in the passenger area. So R2D2 and C3PO get put in the back as well. So Sabine can sit in his translator. And I was wondering, specifically Austin, because a lot of times when we have Q&A questions, which is like, what do you want in Star Wars? Right.

You're always like, I want we're bounty hunters. I do. And that isn't this. But it's close. We're getting team dynamics. We're getting schemes. The thing I love about this is them running scams. Yeah, that is the thing I wrote was like, L.O.L, they are running scam right now.

Like, this is extremely, in another life, Sabin jokes that she went to the Imperial. She's like, oh, yeah, I'm in level five of the Imperial Academy or the Imperial Academy or whatever. And no, no, no, no, no. She's like level five credit card scammer. She's like, don't go around her bodega. She has a card skimmer on that ATM out front. I know she does. I know my shit will get lifted.

She is on, she uses the Tor browser to clean off a fucking stolen credit card number. She's trading that shit. I know her. She's all, anyway. I love, I love that. I love the idea of them just being the, like, sleazyest scammers. Just like cheap trick.

Like early on, when someone's like, oh yeah, so we're doing the arms dealer thing again, and Canaan's like, I like the thing this is arms redistributors. I also think a thing that comes through kind of often here, I think my actual specific example is a little later in this episode, but there's some kind of very naturalistic delivery from Canaan especially, but sometimes from the whole crew, where they just slip into the way people talk. There's a bit later where Sabine is like, hey, if we need some credits, maybe Vizaga

will buy those two droids. And he's like, yeah, good idea as he climbs away. And he's not like, yeah, good idea, the way cartoon characters do. And it makes them feel really at home on the ship in a way that I, it's not all the time. They're often doing, you know, sort of television voice. But there is something about every now and then they just slip into like, I'm just a person talking. And it's even sometimes, Ali, you mentioned the like code names stuff. Sometimes when they're like talking in a mission, it has a different vibe than anything we've heard from Anakin and Obi-Wan on a mission in the middle of Clone Wars or something. You know, like when they're talking about like Spectre 1 to Spectre 5, da-da-da, there was like a different energy to it,

which I like quite a bit. Also, we learned that Harrah's code name while in the it seems like while she's in the pilot seat is Ghost. So in that previous episode, correction, it's not that Ghost has a droid brain, which I don't know, maybe it also does, but when he says ghost

we're coming in, he's talking to her. That is her codename in the chair. I think she may also be Spector 2 or something like that elsewise, but... The ship is Mantis, I thought. Nope, that is the game you're playing. That is Jedi Survivor.

Jedi fall in order. Yeah. Ship is the ghost. It's a ghost. Something else that I appreciated here too is the minute she, when she translates what like landing bay the cargo is in. And I forgot how it's revealed, but it's before the droids do.

The minute she like, she said when, I remember when this was, she censored the one place. And the actual destination is 10 off from that. And I was like, that was smart because even if they see through it, it'll still seem like you fucked up. the translation instead of you running a scam. And 3PO calls it out later. Yeah, she says 17 instead of 7.

And yeah, that's a good, that's a good detail, Rob. It's a good, like, even if they break through this first illusion, it'll still look harmless that this happened. And it does until Chopper shows up. You know, they are sort of, they, so they crack into the crates. Meanwhile, the Imperial official is off with the dude who's getting visibly frustrated that gone in the wrong direction. And, you know, they arrive at an empty cargo bay.

Meanwhile, they crack into the crates. Zab gets a load of what's in there. And immediately his vibe changes. And he is like consistently alarmed throughout the rest of this. While, you know, finally 3PO is allowed to translate what the alien merchant is saying and it is when they begin to come back that they try to have chopper stall for time and the mere appearance of chopper makes the imperial official realize like oh wait yeah like all of this this is all bullshit yeah this is all the scam well an important note here

narratively is um the guns are illegal for the empire to use they're not allowed to ship them to them set like they're not allowed to have them or use them uh they were banned by the Imperial Senate. And I guess another recurring thing across this is it seems as if you know, we're in that time period where Leah is a senator theoretically. Maybe bail is still the senator from Alderon at this point. I guess I don't actually know. But the, there are, there is still opposition to Palpatine in the Senate at this point. And it seems like they're able to pass a couple of laws apparently. Like, don't use the genocide guns. Please. And, And so one of the things that happens here is like, oh, as the imperial officer or senator or whatever she is shows up to pick this stuff up, they try to like throw a back at her like, these are, you can't have these either.

And she's like, yeah, okay, like we're not, I'm not even going to give that the time of day. Those are your crates. We're going to arrest you because you have illegal guns. Get them, please. That's good. it's also I think worth saying that the beginning of this episode starts like everyone's kind of settling into their roles on the ship and Ezra is very much trying to find his place and I think like is you know budding heads with Zeb a lot and they're going to end up having this kind of like big bro little bro relationship which I think by the end of this trio of episodes I love and really think they are a fun duo, and I like them paired off together.

I think there's a version of this that just gets really trite very quickly, but this was like, it was fun. And at this point, though, I think Ezra's trying to, like, put the heat on Zeb in a way that, like, you would put the heat on your little brother and they kind of, like, fight back at you and isn't really cluing in that,

there's a specific aspect about the T7s that has Zeb especially upset that like this is a part of their mission. Well, and the thing, the other thing that is interesting that comes out of this is like the T7s are, it's not just like, oh, the empire is moving these T7s despite the fact that they, you know, have been banned. They're moving them to Lothal, the planet Ezra's from to mass produce them. They're like prototypes for like a factory to use. as the baseline for a new set of them. And that is, I mentioned this the other day that, like, I like, or the other previous episode, that I like how centered Lothal is here. Obviously, I don't, there's one of these three episodes takes place there, you know,

largely, I guess the back half of this also takes place there. But I like the idea that, like, okay, Ezra's from a place, that place, they're not going far from that place, generally speaking. the Star Wars.com notes that Garell, the planet that they go to or Garl or whatever, is effectively next door to Lotho. It's like a few minutes worth of hyperspace jump. Like this is how long it takes to get there.

This was not them being like, and then seven hours passed when they were in the hyperspace. Like it literally is a bus ride between two planets. And that I think is a fun detail to continue to focus on like, all right, Ez is from this place. Zeb is from a place. These places have history.

Canaan, we know, is from the temple. And one of the later episodes, we grew up there at least. You know, we said it last time. Don't go back to the temple. But there's a line later that's about how the archives of the temple are intact. And I like these, like this return to, okay, these characters are from places. Those places have histories. There is, we're going to learn more about those things, you know.

I also like that, you know, unlike the tattooing thing, like, why does everything keep happening on tattooing? Here we actually do have an in-universe explanation for why do things keep centering on these places. Because this is where the empire is building the infrastructure that will become the empire that, like, Tark and Palpatine want to build. Right. That there is actually, like, the dynamism in this universe is in places like loathol because this is where the empire is, like, clearing out the populace and trying to, remake the galaxy in its image outside the outside the line of sight

of like the more advanced populated planets, yeah. And the few remaining safeguards, right? Yeah. That like if the, if Baylor Gano or this other senator that we meet in the later episode who seems to be like opposed to Palpatine and willing to speak out against him,

like if those people have any sort of actual force, they certainly don't have it on the outer rim. That's not where they have any sort of, they can't like dispatch a, a committee, you know, to Lothal. No one gives a fuck about Lothal. There's, it's, it's, it's, where Tarkin is, is effectively ruling as, as de facto governor, you know, is actually the governor, right? And so, like, I, I like that, that produces that effect. And, like, that's kind of

what Tatooine was to begin with in both the original trilogy and the prequels, but you lose that when everything just keeps going back there. It just, no, no matter what, in any time, once it's like, once you're in the sequel trilogy and, and in The Mandalorian and we're still, going to Tatouine for some shit. Like, I just, what are you doing? C3BO's a NARC is another important note here. We knew this. I know, but I hate to see it.

Wait, was this a long game, though? Was this, okay, was this a long game? Because we find out at the end of the episode that R2 is recording everything that happens. You ever seen the movie True Lies? Yes. many times Jamie Lee Curtis

Tom Arnold The whole premise that movie Is they're just an ordinary couple Just a boring average everyday couple Oh what's this Arnold Schwarzenegger's a super spy Like assassin character for the CIA And Jamie Lee Curtis had no idea

And so I think this is the whole thing It's like C3PO is like yeah We're going on translation mission I don't know what you're doing here But sure Like I'm just here to do my translation job but secretly the person who's working is Art 2. And 3PO is just kind of like,

they don't let 3PO in on the secret. His innocence and naivete is his asset. He's a value, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it does mean he thinks I can call the cops to get out of a jam. But also, what did calling the cops like manifest? A lot of video footage of this group of rebels

being very effective at resistance and then who do they deliver it to but the guy the resistance guy wait hang on I'm sorry I missed this part where it's filmed and like yeah our two films the whole thing at the very end for bail

that's what that's what for bail and bail is like ooh this will be really interesting to see what these rebels like what this what these what our rebels are up to bail didn't need the highlights you could have got the box score

no Natalie is saying that 3PO called the cops so that R2 would get good footage of R of the ghost crew being badass I don't think 3PO's House of Highlighting the Rebellion Oh Oh my God

No so that bail could see if they were up to snuff To like collab with Uh huh right But they would but he would just say it R2 would just be like Yeah they seem pretty good I don't we don't they didn't need to fight A bunch of ATDD, DP, whatever.

I don't know. But you got it on tape. There's no arguing. Yeah. Uh-huh. That's what I thought it was. I thought... C-ZBO does not...

C-N-D-B-O... Can you imagine if Stringer Bell found out, not only you're taking notes, you're actually, like, videographing the entire crime. I do think Bail wants to see them in action. I think that's just what R2 does. I don't think C-3 was in on this at all. He called the cop.

on them. He called the Imperials to come get their weapons back. I know. Well, I mean, in the moment, I obviously wrote down, C. 3PO, you're a fucking snitch. I hope you get fucked. Fuck you. You bucket of bolt. Yeah. Uh-huh. Um, I will say. But then, but then at the very end, I was like, oh, no. He was actually giving them the opportunity to showcase. This displace guilt from the time you called the police on a murder mystery party. No! I forgot! Oh my God. Sometimes someone thinks they're doing the exact right thing.

Sometimes you hear a gun go off and you see a man running and you're walking your dog. and it's very late at night and you and he's in a butler outfit for some reason that's the yeah uh huh

no it's it's true if you see if you see if you hear a shot ring out you see a guy in a butler costume run past you like it is your civic obligation the butler probably did it and you get the cops to come get that guy um

the good news are is he can't be the biggest asshole in this episode first because Rizago completely fucks these guys over. Yeah. It's just like, yeah, I don't pay for half, I don't pay for half shipments. Bye. It takes half of the shit. I hope that comes back. Because like, if I'm Canaan, oh, yes, you do. Absolutely, you pay for half shipments. And now, and now you're going to pay for a trouble. Uh-huh. And then we get Callis being truly. the most evil person I think we've maybe seen like next to Palpatine

cackling evil like but but I am Palpatine but cutting at the like going to the root of it going into like your like subject like subjectivity yeah attacking your your character and your history

I would love Cato could you drop this exchange and also shout us to Cato who is now editing the show this is about 17 minutes 1745 into this episode where Zeb notices that Callis is using a bow rifle, which he says, only the honor

guard of Lasson may carry a bow rifle. I know. I removed it from a guardsman myself. I was there when Lassan fell. I know why you fear those disruptors. I gave the order to use

them. He said I gave the order to use them. He said it was me who pushed the genocide button. He wants it to be immediately personal.

Immediately personal. Immediately. We have real beef. Real fucking one-to-one beef. I got Mitt as villain shit to do. It's a cool moment when he's like he snaps. They're about to get away.

Yeah. And he just snaps Zab all the way back into the fight. by, like, calling him out and brandishing that weapon overhead. And it's like, it's on. Like, here we go. Um, do it turns out he's not, he's not a punk. Like, Danza, bale zub out of that. Yeah, Zep, this is it, this is a grievous getting owned by my sister's.

Right. Yeah, this ain't grievous being like, oh, oh, I guess I, I guess I suck at this. Let's just like, glass the planet anyway. Like, callous, like, callous brings the villain A game here. He does. Uh, do you want to meet agent. Callis, the Imperial Enforcer. Woo!

We're going to keep on moving through these videos of which there are many, and I think now that we understand, you'll see what is this. It's the bow rifle shit shows up in this video and like... Does this mean Callis is going to be like a recurring character? Yes. He's had pretty strong recurring character vibes. Callis is a major character in this show. Oh, okay.

Let me screen share this. All right. This is Meet Agent Callis, Imperial Enforcer. Three, two, one, go. In the course of my duties, I have encountered a rebel cell. Agent Callas is an ISB agent, an Imperial Security Bureau. So it's a little bit like the FBI, a little bit like military police. And his job is to basically make sure everyone stays loyal.

And anyone who isn't any whiff of disloyalty has to be, cut out so i guess you could safely say he's a bad guy so yeah that's you could David brings a voice that is very authoritative and very commanding and very carry back without betraying any sense of insecurity or weakness and that's very much a function of what david is bringing to the part that's such a good calis of the imperial security bureau he's so good he's pretty literally a rebel hunter his whole task is to investigate any sort of instance of local insurgency and see if it's the beginnings of what could become a rebellion.

You really get the sense that he wants to achieve something greater, right, while he's working with the Empire, that for him this position is a way onto something much bigger. I don't know about all that. I guess maybe he wants... Maybe he's ambitious? A promotion, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. ...order all stormtroopers to converge on the lower hangar.

I'll meet them there. His role is more of hunting people down. Hate the facial hair, got to say it. Not advance. It's so bad. It's not him just shooting from afar and commanding people from afar, but he actually gets down into it. Keith Kellogg. I think you'll get to see his combat skills, which are pretty impressive.

Advance and fire! The weapon that he is carrying is a modified version of Zeb's honor guard staff. He is very proficient in a weapon that isn't necessarily standard imperial issue. Hopefully he'll take the audience by surprise, but he's certainly, Certainly within the story, people aren't expecting an imperial officer to sort of be this much of a physical threat. I'm so mad they put that in a pre-release video. Yeah. Complete.

I like that one. Did you hear that one? Yeah. That was great. Yeah. I love Dave. There's a legacy to carry on, and we all take that very seriously. Aim for shield generator and engines.

Nothing comes close to. the reaction I get from my kids when I say, yeah, so I'm just going out to do some recording on Star Wars Rebels. Oh my God, we're doing you, damn it! That's what I get from my kids. I wish I had that when I would say I'm going off to film a scene in the butler or something in Lincoln, but no, Star Wars Rebels gets the big scream. I don't know that the callous would think what he's doing is really evil.

He's just doing his job for the empire. He believes in the empire. He is the kind of a holstered boy for the empire and in its success. Chis Calus would have been good. I'm sorry, Chis. To snuff out that spot before it catches fire. Mm-hmm. Callis, definitely an interesting character and one to watch out for, especially if you're a rebel.

Okay. Okay. Watch out. One insucient eyebrow. Here's the thing. Here's a thing. disagree. I disagree with David Filoni on this because I don't

think he's like, I think he is he's on the scale of like doing good at your job, he's not like Cyril Karn. Like he's, he's more Dedra. He's more evil vibes. Like he's he's not stumbling forward. He says what he

says to Zem. That is unnecessary, that is not a part of the job. Cyril like takes part in a genocide but is like freaked out by it. And he isn't talking about it and, like, bragging about it after the fact. Whereas this guy, he loved it. He loved it.

He really did. I'm just prepping y'all for the serial redemption arc. That's coming. I think we were just saying the bar on the floor to be out of it. I don't think it's a redemption arc. It's like, you know, I mean, I don't think he would have been, like, happy to be, like, operating the death squads. He would have done it. What a prince.

He's my king. Anywho I'm glad for this like callous context here though because the thing that I was thinking as I was going through this episode was like oh like I'm intrigued by what's going on with Zeb I'm like intrigued by like the crew's different reactions to it

I'm waiting for the Zeb lore and then when Callis comes up and it's like yeah I was I was there I fucking did that shit I was like is this too cute do we have to like escalate it to this this amount and then when Zeb takes the L so Ezra could save him I was like can this not be Zeb's moment

but knowing that Callis is going to be yeah knowing that Calus is going to be like a long term villain like Zeb is going to get the wins eventually I think so too I think it's I think it'll be in the long run really satisfying to watch him have that like point of justice at at some point in the future that yeah well i don't know i think a little bit about i'm curious what the thesis of the show is going to be but like you know we think about like someone we see in and or

right like it is about controlled anger and rage and like zeb blows it almost for the entire team here by like getting so easily manipulated into this fight and it's understandable why he does but he doesn't win the fight he almost gets everyone killed because like he does give in to Like something's really similar to what we see, you know, kind of like, you know, to a degree, like when Luke comes out of the shadows, when he's baited out by Vader referring to Leia. It's a moment where he is not in control himself. He's not thinking like strategically at all. And like I think part of like certainly, you know, part of what we're going to see is like to beat people like callous, to beat someone with the backing of the empire that he's, has like you can't be provoked in that way you have to you you do have to be able to like do

it a time in place of your choosing and zeb doesn't and i think like it's why i kind of like that he comes up short here uh because he like you know having that good like rage out it doesn't rarely makes any of us the most effective version of ourselves and it works up it doesn't work that way for zeb either despite the fact he's got superhuman strength um and it does give us a chance to, like, Ezra's Jedi abilities, like how serious are there? We get a little taste of it where he has almost an involuntary panic response. There's a classic Dragon Ball Z. Gohan. Don't hurt my friends. I'm going to have a blast of energy that's kind of not necessarily controlled, but driven by, you know, by love for the people I'm trying to protect. It's good. It's fun. Knocks him off

his feet. Knocks him off his feet. Also clues Callis in that, well, I guess. No, he already thought there was a Padawan, remember? Yeah. You're an apprentice or something. But he didn't see, but he didn't see him do any force abilities yet. This is the first time I think he's, he's seen it. He knew, he knew Kainan was a Jedi, but I don't think he was looking for a Padawan, was he? No, didn't, remember, didn't he report them as?

Yeah, he reported them as Paduan and Jedi. Yeah. And Master. How did he know that? Because, you know, vibes. Because, Ez was so unimpressive. No, Ed was like jumping all around, doing all the wild ass. Triple flips.

Yeah. What's the Sullivan? Over the, for the baby wookie. Double jump he can do. Shoutouts to a friend of the show, Sullivan, who, yeah, here it is. Luke, Cal Kestis, mouthfeel on that one is a little off. Yoda, a double jump he can do. Yoda, forgot about Quidlin Walsai did, and Keller and Beck hosted the Jedi Temple

challenge he did. Luke hosted, Master, what, a game show it was. Luke braces himself looking dizzy. This is a D.Masaur on Twitter. Shoutouts to Solomon. Extremely funny. Yeah, that's the episode. And so can, so can Canaan.

So can Can Esra. Lots of double jumps. I do think just generally I liked the way they wove the A, B, and C plots together in this episode. It's a light episode. But you get the A plot of, hey, we're broke. We have to do a mission. The B plot, and it's like a risky job that people have some questions about. The B plot of Ezra wanting his Jedi training and the C plot of Zeb.

Zeb's history and like the guns and all that stuff, the Zeb and Callis stuff with Lassan. That's like, it's hard to weave three plots together like that. Well, in a 21-minute episode of something, it's structurally easy to make a messier thing where, like, your characters are divorced from one another, and you're like, well, team A is over here doing this and team B is over here doing this. And this is like a challenge. And not every show needs to, not every episode needs to weave them together in this way. But I tend to find across, you know, action shows and comedies and in general, you know, my favorite episode of The Office also managed to weave those things together in a game. good way, where it doesn't just feel like a different writer also wrote some jokes that they stuck onto the side of the episode. And so I think structurally, I was really happy with this is like the first post-pilot episode. Yeah. And it like all of the all of those plots have little seeds that carry into the next two episodes. Like the fact that Ezra is the one that steps in and

like save Zeb becomes like the major like the major through line of the like the motivating through line of the next episode we open in the next episode on life on the ship it's a day in the life on the ship Ezra is like I have a thing written out if you just want me yeah go for it go for it please uh yeah so um I guess we were dealing with Zeb's sadness in droids and distress you know we need to get lighten up a little bit we get some Zeb hijinks in fighter flight. Ezra's and Zeb's constant roommate bickering causes

Hera to send them on a wild goose chase looking for a fruit that is impossible to get on Lothol. But they do actually find it except the Imperials bought out the entire shipment. Zeb and Ezra decide to swing for the fences on this grocery trip and try

to heist the entire shipment of this fruit from the Imperials which then sees the two get caught in the middle of an imperial like clearing operation to steal farmers land. You know, Ezra has a friend on Lothel whose farm is being like, not repossessed, but just like confiscated by the Imperials and he's being locked up. Zeb steals a tie fighter that doesn't know how to fly.

And Ezra gets caught up in an Indiana Jones style duel atop an Imperial tank. The two end up making so many bad decisions that they become partners in crime trying to conceal what they've been up to from Canaan. And by the end, they're in the process of becoming what stories like this call fast friends. It's true. This is such a By the Books episode. Like, it's fine. But it's charming.

It's charming. Yeah. You don't have to do a lot. Yeah. Well, mom and dad wants him alone time. They literally do. But Sabine is still on the ship. They didn't get rid of Sabine.

She's busy. She's in her room. She's not going to leave her room. Yeah. She's playing MCR and doing some art. She's got her helmet on. She's got her house. helmet on. She's got speakers in that thing. Oh,

importance of being update. We were wrong about her age. I was wrong about her age. She's not 19. She's not. She's 16. She's 16, right? She's 16. So 14 to 16, still not, still, you know, it really clarifies why she's so dismissive. Because when you're 16, a 14 year old is a baby. A 14 year old is a little child. Is the most annoying person on the planet. A hundred percent. Um, uh, but also it makes his interest a little more reasonable, I guess. He's, again, the worst immediately. Man, Padme, what the fuck?

I'm saying. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Anyway. She had her own issues. She didn't have a real childhood either. You know? They made her a queen.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like, you know. What was the age gap? Padrae Anakin. What is it? Okay, it's a five year difference. It's five years. It's five years.

That's not so bad when you're like, you know. There's a period there where it's not good. There's absolutely agreed. Agreed. That's all I'm saying. Chopper's a little shit. Chopper is the most Cheeto fingery in this. this like he oscillates between smokes I mean I think it's both I think he's he's he is a droid

of multitudes he's an uncle this is the thing he is an uncle so at first I was like oh he's like grandpa chopper and that's not true but he's not like he's not like little brother chopper either he's like no he has respect shitty uncle who wants to like throw the wrench in everything and then, like, if he could, besides flexing, which he does, like, 80 times in this episode, I think he would also always have, like, a can of something, like, just belight, no, he would what would he have? What's his beer, what's his beer choice? Schlitz?

It's just slits, yeah, Schlitts is right for, for him, yes, 100%. Or whatever your regional equivalent of a schlitz is, a hundred percent. Always has, you know, gets, gets it by the case on the cheap, knows somebody in a, in a distributor. And every empty can is just an ashtray. It's just 100%. That is the energy. He unscrewed the bunk bed top. This is, it is

such an over-the-line prank. It is so far out of pocket. It's like this is not okay. This is dangerous. Just a little kid. Also, Ezra sucks. I mean, you're going to teach him a lesson. You got to

establish the the ship hierarchy. Yeah, that's fair. Ezra has never seemed more like a child to me than he does when yelling at his dog slash little brother to stay out of his room, and it's a room that he shares with somebody else.

Wait, wait, wait, sorry. Who are you calling his dog slash little brother? Chopper. Oh, okay. Chopper wears a lot of hats. Sometimes he's the old shit-kitty uncle. Sometimes he's the dog. Droid of multitudes.

Yes, he's definitely a dog, for sure, too. I know they all said that he's a cat in that previous thing, and that's just not, I think he's a dog. He is a dog. He doesn't have cat energy at all. He doesn't have cat energy. He's too, like, hyper to be a cat. Yes.

He's got way too much energy for, like, plotting. Yeah, he's not like, if he cares too much. He cares too much about how, like, what everyone's doing, how they're thinking. Yeah, also, like, I mean, look, as, is annoying as hell to Sabine like it is just you know that no game whatsoever there can't take the hint

just like I'm working on my art man like fuck off oh and what art it is I don't know if y'all watch looked at any of it but it's very there's some Cadbane fan art that she has what I missed that what? There's some embo

fan art I'll give me a second a screenshot of it for you. Embo fan art yeah yeah uh huh Uh, where are we at here? Here we go. Put this into general chat, boom. You know? There's some like folk heroes in the world of, maybe.

I mean, they're around. Embo, like, head in the shit. That is so good. Yeah. It's, it's Embbo's head. And there's a heart around it. And a heart. She has a crush on Embo.

Who doesn't? Who doesn't? So it's Embo's head attached to like a fighter jet. And he's straight, straight, Cad, as Cad is lifting off with, like, a jet trail out the bottom of his head. Yeah. So it's both of them basically is, like, flying, like, head ships. Yes. That's very weird.

It's very weird. And then the later one at the end, did you see the, I mean, they show it a little bit more clearly, the image of Ezra falling on the onto Zeb via the bunk bed thing. She's like, big cartoon, Ezra is very funny to me. It's very Calvin and Hobbs. It is very Calvin and Hobbs. It is. It's not really what I thought they would wear. It's not really what I thought her style was, you know?

But it is. Well, you have lots of styles when your art is being generated by a team of artists working on a cartoon. True enough. Anyway, they go to town. They can't get the fruit. Turns out the empire bought all the fruit. They're going to steal the fruit. Suddenly, everyone talking about it.

Jogun fruit. Suddenly everyone's talking about Jogun fruit. What was it Jogun fruit in this one? It's not. But there is a moment early on when someone says. They mentioned Jogun fruit. It's mailer run fruit. Yeah, Mailerun fruit is what they're looking for. And the guy's like, I can give you Jogun fruit

kid. We don't grow mailor and fruit here. Yeah, which then it becomes obvious that this was a doomed quest that they just wanted. First of all, some bonding to go, you know, You know, Hara and Canaan just wanted Zeb and Ezra to bond a bit.

And I think also mommy and daddy wanted some alone time. I'm not sure they cared if they bonded. I think there is a bit of, we will consign you two to like make each other miserable. That you bonded is great. I don't know that it was the objective of like these two need to be forced to spend time together. If you're going to be yelling at each other, do it off the ship. Rob, I did think a lot about you saying in the last episode how badly you wanted Hara focused episodes because you could anticipate that she was going to be just like

the ship mom and like that's all she would get to do and that's just super true in these episodes. Like she has like a little bit of a beat in the next one and she has the moment here where she tells everybody that gets fuck off the ship and give us them like their marching orders and a shopping list. But like she's not getting to do stuff very often and it's... No, but I also think. she's still like we've time i think shows benefit from that character who's also maybe the most unknowable everyone else on the ship is a little bit i guess sabine we don't like we know what her thing is

we don't actually know very much about her but herra feels like really unknowable among the crew like there's a there's a life and thoughts that are like kind of locked away behind the role so like i think they're still i hope they're still laying groundwork for we're going to dig into this but yes right now it is very much like shipmom and I need time alone and let with your father. We know that Sabine is a Mandalorian or has Mandalorian armor. We know we said the things before, right? Zeb comes from not what's the name of the actual place that he's from? I've already forgotten. Lassan. Right. He's a Lassat. They're from Lassan. We know where Ezra comes from. We know where Kenan grew up. But we don't know shit. We currently don't know any of that about hair. I know that we

will get at least a little bit. I don't know how much, but I do know that we learn about Harris family at some point. I'm very excited for it, but like, I don't know if that's like a one-off episode or if that's going to get to be like a whole arc. I hope it's, I hope it's a lot. So I do enjoy that, uh, so they realize the imperials are taking this entire crate of the, the special fruit with them in like an armored convoy. And Ezra having now realized, like, got a little bit of force in him. He thinks he can just force levitate that entire crate right out of the Imperial's trunk effectively. And it's just a funny beat as he attempts to do this to impress Zeb. And it goes about as poorly as you might expect, but just enough happens that it almost seems like it's

working. Yeah, yeah, totally. Unlike the beginning of the episode where Chopper again was faking it. Oh, my God. I forgot about Chopper faking the levitation. What a great beat. That was so funny. What a little asshole. I love it. It's so funny. And then, yeah, there's like a rolling chase. I mentioned earlier the like the bit of nostalgia that I think didn't land for me here. I mean, actually, I, let me, let me play us one more. Let me play us at Rebels recon. I skipped the first Rebels recon. Though in that one, someone does write in to ask Pablo Hidalgo whether or not. there is a whether or not the stormtroopers are clones or not and he's like no they're not clones they're all the clones all age their voices are all different now I mean again this is an episode where Steve Bloom playing a stormtrooper says to Zeb like put your hands up or something they're torturing me

Steve Bloom plays both of these characters and it happens again in the next episode I just what's so weird to me is I don't hear it at all it kills me because it's because Steve Bloom is like, you know, when I was a teenager and getting into anime, Spike Spiegel was the guy. And so for the rest of my life, it's like, oh, that's Spike Spiegel's voice. That's Spike Spiegel's voice. That's Steve Bloom. There he is. And so I have that already. And so any time that happens, it makes me, because like when another Stormtrooper says it, my thought is just like, I'm watching a TV show. I'm in TV show mode. And then any time it happens, the Steve Bloom sensor goes off.

I'm saying this is a fault of my brain. This is not a fault with the show. But are they doing it on purpose? It happens every episode. Especially because they made a point of showing that in this show, this seems different, but they're putting a lot more voice actors in booths together to run their lines.

And I feel like that was not a thing, not as much on Clone Wars. And so it does kind of make me, like, this seems an odd dynamic for the type of recording sessions they're doing where Steve Bloom is going to be sort of doing the whole like go to different sides of the mic. Right. He's doing that.

Exactly. He's doing the Golem thing. All right. This is Rebels Recon 103 inside Fighter Flight. Cato, we're starting at 159. The whole idea for Fighter Flight was based around having a tie fighter, toy as a kid, and putting heroes in it instead of villains because Typer is so cool. I love to have toys.

a hundred times as a child. So why not do it now on this TV series? Tell me a little bit about the relationship between Ezra and Zeb. It's fun. It's the whole, I think of it as like the whole big brother, little brother thing, where they love each other but hate each other. I had an older brother and they're the person that's going to kind of pick up his life but also support you the best.

It's growing and he's kind of getting used to this kid and I think he's fascinated by Ezra. I'm already thinking of Taylor as my little brother. I love that kid. We're having such a great time in the studio. time in the studio. The Thai Fighters, the designs influenced very heavily by Ralph McCory, but were the original Kenner toys kind of a big source of inspiration as well. I mean, initially, the design of the tie fighter

and rebels will mimic exactly the movies. But Killing and I kept looking at it. And the thing is, it's not really how Ralph McCory ever drew it. And what we realized was when you look at some of the more detailed paintings Ralph did post the New Hope, we believe pretty strongly that he was actually drawing off the Hasbro model, because the wing proportions

match the HADRORs more than they match the movies. How did it feel to have your character pilot one of the galaxy's most iconic ships, the Tie Fighter? To fly a tie. Amazing, amazing. Yeah, just to get a close-up look at one of those things, they're always moving so fast. You never really have that opportunity

to examine what one of those looks like close-up. And we get to do that in Rebels. You could have just played Ty Fighter. Could I just play Ty Fighter? Last week, we asked you to send us your questions about droids in distress, and we went to the experts to get answers. In droids in distress, we notice that C-3PO has mismatched legs.

He's got one really silver leg. What happened to him? Now, exactly what happened to that leg, we haven't told that story. You know what happens to snitches, right? But if you look at episode 4, 5 and 6, 3PO has always had that mismatch. You were right. And if you look at all the movies, 3Pio's a tendency to get blown apart. And an Empire Strikes Back, Art 2, and Chewy really aren't that accurate when putting him back together.

So maybe sometime between 3 and 4, something like that happened, but we haven't established that for fact yet. But we're not saying that's real. I'm stopping this. We're not going to watch the next time on for an episode we already saw. I will say there's another interview with the kid. Sorry, what's the actor's name, Rob? You just shouted them out. I don't know him from anything.

I don't know, but he gives off like Jamie Tart vibes from Ted Lassow. Oh, I see. Yes, yes, yes, yes. He does. Okay. His name is something with a J. I lost it now. I don't know where he is.

No, it's Taylor Gray. Yeah, it's all the same. Taylor Gray Jaylor, that's all the same shit Jailer Jailer Jailer So the

toy thing comes up in a different way here too which is that the you know the little trucks the little like moving people trucks

that they end up taking hostages in that the whole back half is about those are just Kenner toys from the 1970s and 80s and I hate the design of them

and it's just you wanted to put your little action figures in the show I think that it's a stupid design I thought these kind of bugged me too because like they're like little barges they don't make sense as military vehicles the fact we're just carrying

prisoners and outboard like hoops doesn't really make sense Like it's just really goofy It's a really goofy thing Here's what the it is the Star Wars Imperial Troop Transport Here original Star Wars sounds

It says Refunds up to three dollars I don't know what that means It's so clearly just like a little Action figure carrying design And again They're doing the thing of like Oh what if we put our heroes

And the Thai fighter like we did when we were kids What if we put you know civilians Where the Stormtrooper transport in the Stormtrooper transport things. It's such a silly design. And, like, I would have so much rathered their design team who makes cool shit design a new, interesting troop transport or prisoner transport or something.

And I have been in the last episode, I was just so much on the side of, like, I'm excited to go back to the original trilogy where I know some other folks had some hesitation about how often people in the production team were like, I can't wait to play with these toys. And I was the one being like, I like these toys. I don't like these toys.

I think to me, this is like where my breaking point is on that, where like, I don't want you putting in old shit that you thought was cool when you were 12 just because you, and I know that that includes tie fighters. Action figure stuff sucks in a lot of these cases. This is literally designed for, like, there's no reason why you would design a vehicle like this other than to design it to showcase action figures like so and so that you had somewhere to put them away so that your fucking action figures are all over the floor every night and so if you're a little rich douchebag who's like I bought six identical stormtroopers so I could like have a full

like imperial like transport's worth of stormtroopers this is like like by elementary school standards this is some Versailles shit right like if you if you pull up to you like playtime in kindergarten and you have a fully stocked imperial transport. I'm sorry, we're rigging up a duplogia team. This is the thing. When you were a kid, like, the idea that you would get a duplicate of a, of a stormtrooper or of like a random regular grunt type character was nonsense to me. I'm going to get two stormtroopers when I could get a Han Solo and a Luke.

And, you know, maybe I'll get. Just for like building out the world. Right? What do you, like, it's called imagination, and I've got, like, one fucking, one opportunity to get a, like, a toy every six months. Right. I'm going to get the same. No. Now, I will get.

You know, it was for the people, it was micro machines. Sure. Because there it was like, I can now behold my fleet. Yeah, I have so many. They give you three or four of these in every box. Yep. Yep. So I don't mind if I wind up with extras, you know, 100%.

Now I have a full, now I have a full flight of Thai fighter. Lego was also great because it's one of those things where you're like, I got a bunch of little sets and each one came with one or two stormtroopers. And guess what? I got 10 stormtroopers now. That's a lot of stormtroopers. Guess what I have? What do you have? What do you have? What do you have? It's like I took a Lego shrink ray and I just zapped it on him. I have him in my house in Lego form. It's like I took a Lego shrink ray and I just zapped it on him. And he's tiny and in my house. Is that on it? Is it? Yeah. Isn't this one? Yes.

It's that one. I haven't built it yet. Oh, no. It's trying to blur your background. Austin. I know. It doesn't know. You got to zoom in on the, on the cereal.

I'm not going to zoom in on this. I mean, he's here. He's here. Let me. Yeah, I see him now. Yeah. There he is. These are the unpack Christmas gifts I got.

It is June or May. I have not unpacked my Christmas gifts. from the one I went home last. I don't live a good life. Saving it for a rainy weekend. Uh-huh, that's right. Okay, so I want to call it something else that I've noticed here. Have you noticed how baby-faced the Imperials are?

Very. Yeah. The little Imperial officer thug here, who's, like, threatening the farmer. Uh-huh. It has this, like, cherubic face. Like, it's a little round, hairless face. It looks like a creepy child in a lot of ways. It is a child in a man's body wearing like a fascist uniform.

And the same thing, I feel like they've used the same tie pilot model in every single one of these things. Every time we see a tie pilot, it's the same deeply creepy looking dude that's like, it's like again, classically handsome but like a sandblaster like having been taken to the features. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they also have that the pilot specifically has huge, like, like, eaten school, like British schoolboy, high, you know, upper class, which is like, that's a pilot thing also to some degree, but, but just slimy. But there's a childishness to these characters that I think is very intentional. Yeah, I'm curious if they're going to zero in on that more because, like, it's interesting that youth is not being, despite Ezra being our main character. youth and youthful characters aren't being positioned as like the future or the hope to believe in. There is, they are as often.

Is this being made again? Great question. 2014, somewhere in there, right? Before, you know, in the middle of the rise of the so-called alt-right, right, you know? Probably type shit, yeah. But like, I don't know that. I don't know. Maybe that's a part of what disturbs me about callous the most is that he has such a baby

face and it is in its facial hair feels so out of place on his baby face. I try to harden him up a little bit. And is it stylized because he can't, he can't grow it. You can't, he can't get the sideburns to meet. And so he's like, looking at this cool little thing I did. Yeah. I wonder if he'll end up with a beard. I've seen some late callous stuff, but I don't remember if he has a full beard by

then or if he just still has this. You should just go for a full beard, though. But he should. He doesn't deserve a full beard. He looks like a cool, tough guy. and all the storyboard art, though. He does. Like, is it just, like, a mis-translation, or...

Maybe they made a different decision once they, like, figured out... The age and down, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's, like, a date thing, like, a, like, they figured out when the stuff happened on the planet, and so he had to be such an age and blah, blah, blah. I don't know. We don't know what his story is yet.

It's just an interesting thing that's, like, I guess, in dialogue with the toy concept, that, like, we've been wanting to play with these toys, the Imperials of the side of all these cool toys. And they are, it is an army of dislocated children. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, and like, and like, we know this from Cyril, too. This is, that is a Cyril carnist type thing, right?

Like, um, uh, people, people who grew up with a different, who grew up under the empire and have a different perspective on it because of that and who want to defend it and think of it as deeply heroic. But, you know, you have to have a world where the propaganda works on some people. And, and it seems like it works on everybody who joins. Um, something. that I think probably they need some propaganda for is their mechanical design

because if you can blow up a turret by dropping one little tiny baby wrench into the barrel you got to whoever made that you got to get them replaced. They need to take a second pass on this one. Very easy to sabotage.

I'd be doing this every day. Yeah, I feel like we could be getting way more done. Way more done. Like, I don't know. We got to pick up the pace a little bit Yeah, come on Archu should have caught footage of that I really enjoy also

When Zeb gets into the Thai fighter And we're sort of reprising the bit On the Embara arc Where they're trying to learn to pilot those Ships with no fucking controls They're trying to like Motion They're trying to like connect pilot

The umvaraan ships The Gyroscope incarnate ships Yeah And here we get Zeb, like, rapidly trying to get a handle on the tie fighters' characteristics and just beginning to, I love just the glee, right? It goes from, like, a tear of it to, like, glee at now I'm just strafing Imperials from, from a tie fighter, and is a little bit of showing off to, to Ezra as he begins to feel confident that, like, he's got this tie fighter under

control and then immediately lurches it into basically like sideways crab flying down the down the street. It's just a, it's a very good bit. It is a, it's, it's quite the jolly adventure they go on here. Uh, there's a great bit where Ezra, the force finally kicks in and he can sense that they're heading towards a, a crash because their windshield has been covered with, what is the fruit called? Melioron, Meli. Maileron. Male-A-Lawn fruit, like guts, I've covered up the... What I... It's gross.

What I loved about that, though, was that it cast like a shadow, like a shadow on their faces, Zeb and Ezra's faces as they're, like, trying to navigate through it. It looked really cool. It did. It did. And it's nice to see that moment of him being like, ah, yeah, I do feel some stuff here. And then, you know, they saved... It's the force. They save the people.

The people are happy. they get away. Yay. Get away to what, though? I don't know. This is like if... The next episode. ...rescued in the middle of the desert.

Oh, yeah, they're dying. Like, you know, to go home? The appearance is just going to kill you when they find you again. Like, I mean, I, too, would be like, it's better than, like, dying in imperial custody or being, like, burned with my farm.

But at the same time, it's... There's a lot of, like... We did it, gang. Yeah. Live long and prosper. between here and a new normal is very far. Yeah. And then they get home, they see

Sabine's art painted on their room that reveals that Chopper was the one who did the bunk bed trick. I'd be so mad if I were Zeb. And I'd been living on this ship for years, presumably. And now I've got to share my room with this little kid. I'm a grown-ass man.

And there's a... And I'm in a bunk bed with a child. Do we know how old Zeb is? I don't know. Zeb is at least like 36. Yeah, at minimum, right? Yeah, that is... Look at the heroin.

Zeb is paid taxes. Yes, I'm saying. I'm trying to find out what Zeb was born, but I'm a little afraid of looking at. I'm a little afraid at looking at it. You don't want to find the date of death. Right. Sometimes you find that in Wikipedia.

Yeah, exactly. exactly, aka Darth something, you're like, oh shit, I mean, we'll see that coming. Okay, he was bored in 44 BBI, according to starwurst.com. So that means, and this is five years before the Battle of Yavin, so that means that he is, he is 39. If I'm a 39-year-old man. And he's in a bunk bed with a child. With a 14-year-old, no. I would be, I would be fuming.

He is, bro, you sleep on the couch. He is the uncle. I'm sorry, like, they have a perfect. good couch in the wreck area. That's what I'm saying. Ezra's small. Ezra's back is probably young and robust. Yep.

And won't be bothered by the little curve on the commissaire couch. Yep. So, like, that's where Ezra lives. That's where you live. Until one of the other people on the ship dies, you're on the couch. That's it. That's the episode, you know? Yeah.

It's good. It's delightful. The thing that we failed to mention is the whole time. Ezra's like, I saved your life. I saved your life. So now you got to be my slave. He literally said it. Yeah, it's.

He has to go. He literally says, yeah. He just needs to get his ass whooped. Like, he says like, oh, I guess the slots, I guess the slots don't have any sense of loyalty or something like that. And then it's like, you know, in some cultures, if you save a man's life, he becomes your servant for the rest of his. It's wild because last episode. he learned empathy because he learned that

Zeb was upset that the thing that wiped out his people the weapon that wiped out his people they were dealing with they were using or it was a part of a mission they were on and Ezra was like oh I should stop giving Zeb shit because he's in a sad place right now

and then oh no Zab is hurt I'm gonna help him next episode Hey Zeb Remember last episode where I fucking saved your life? Great. I'm never going to stop reminding you of it for like days on end. Days on end.

You know, but you said like, Ezra does have that energy of like, he's realized. He's at that age where he can say really nasty shit to adults. Yes. But he's young enough you can't get hit. And kidneys to get hit. And I'm sorry. there's only one person in the ship who can do it and it's going to be and it's chopper you know it's only two people there's only two people on the ship they can give this kid when he

richly deserves oh and you know let's just get into it because the chopper fucking okay yeah oh what's the next episode rob so rise of the old masters uh is about the misfiring attack like It opens on a misfiring training session between Ezra and Canaan with Zeb and Chopper helping. And Canaan won't get to that. Canaan comes away from it convinced he doesn't have it in him to be any kind of teacher. Ezra reads that as I am being rejected as a student. And right on cue, a news report from Rebel,

underground pirate radio surfaces that says Master Luminara Unduly is out there. The empire's hiding her somewhere. Where could she be? They figure out where she could be and they decide to go bust her out of this imperial prison. Not just any imperial prison. We've seen this prison before. Is this the citadel? It is not the citadel. This is where Palpatine put Darth Mall in son of Dathir. They'd already done the visual design So they had it kicking around Because they were going to make those episodes And then they made it a comic instead

So they're like, I'll just use that one But it is this one So they go on a heist To infiltrate the prison and bust her out And they get to herself And in a pretty gnarly scene It was revealed to be a trap They're rescuing her mummified corpse

effectively and possibly her tormented ghost, and the entire thing has been set up by the High Inquisitor, who comes in oozing menace and begins hitting Canaan all the places it hurts, reminding him of his master, reminding him of all the Jedi that the Inquisitor has killed or helped kill and the encyclopedic knowledge of Jedi fighting styles that he has, that clearly Canaan has as barely mastered. And in they, like, there's a long escape sequence. Lots of, lots of things happen across it, but at the end of it, Canaan and Ezra do come to an understanding it becomes clear this is actually

Canaan's insecurities that he's been, that he's been dealing with. And what was before an unsuccessful, overwhelming attempt at training Ezra turns into a much more appropriate like t-ball type type setup for for ezra but i do have to talk about this opening training session because it is the most dad gets his two shitbag friends to come help make a man out of his son and nope that doesn't mean we're going to the cat house in town it means we're going to the bat the batting cages and we're putting those fuckers on high he gets absolutely beaned with dozens of little milk bottles over and over again. Chopper has like no rev limiter on how fast he and spin his arms or his top.

He is just shelling this poor little kid. Oh, I'm sorry, we forgot to mention. Yeah, where is it happening? They're in the clouds. They're fly. The ship is flying a few thousand feet. Now this is the part that I thought was a little irresponsible. Why do you have, why do you have your kid doing, first of all, Jedi love doing one-handed handstands.

This is, this is what big Jedi Jedi, Jedi. They love doing this shit. I probably, day one wouldn't, or two or three, we know that it hasn't, you know, been too long, four or five. I probably wouldn't, seven, could be, could be three weeks, four weeks. Yeah. No, I don't think we're a month. I don't think we're a month then. I think we're like within two weeks, basically.

It's a little early, I think, to be doing, you know, the one-handed handstand on the flying plane exercise. But we, they're rebels. We're in the galaxy where there are so many enemies. Anything could happen. I don't think Chopper was being entirely unfair with how he was approaching. the process given that when you're in it you know how fast a blaster bolt comes

it's coming you pivoted so hard wait what happened here you picked up a different argument already in process I was wrapping back around I was wrapping back around you were like this is deeply irresponsible the fact that you do any training

out here and then you pivoted to and the way chopper was going hard choppers roll choppers rolling it But wouldn't the previous part of the argument Be what makes the latter half So dangerous Because if he was doing this on the ground

It wouldn't be a big deal I did one time as a kid I was hanging with my friend Ian And I was in his garage And he was like Do you want a bottle of water before we go I was like sure I said do you want a bottle of water

Before we go And he was like yeah And I had it And I threw it to him as hard as I could and it hit him in the neck in the throat sideways

like the whole thing went pop and he went down and I was he made it it was fine he didn't die you know it was not

but he was one hit K-O critical hit critical hit I was like you should have caught it it was really shitty of me in retrospect that's some kids shit

where you just like happen to hit them in like the most vulnerable you know Yeah Anyway chopper hits Ezra with dozens of milk bottles Falls off the damn The damn ship

They sneak in a gag where Ezra is horny for Sabine As always he sees her for a split second And gets a big goofy grin He tries to slide off the ship coolly He does Yes Everything about him is

The the hay scene from Yes Yes Into the movie Why am I'm like Spiderverse Into the Spiderverse His whole characterization is

Hey But you know Not not delivering it At all He'll get there They save him He doesn't die They learn about

And then they learn about You sound a little regretful I gotta say I heard Dave I heard Dave in that laugh That Chopper did I heard I heard him

I heard him in there it was so I was like I that's Dave that is David yeah that's David you're not wrong

um oh and then I thought it was a little uncalled for Zeb to be like this you're this is not a Canaan problem this is a you problem

like you're the one that's like impossible to teach like it's not our fault you fell off the ship you you suck at this yeah you suck he's defending his boy and at this point his boy is canaan not esra well which is part of the problem it's i've also kind of wondered uh like

how we don't know like how experienced is canaan right i mean this has been the through line yeah for me this episode canaan actually did can't actually graduate being a paddle i don't know that he did man partway through this i begin like he's got a lot of luke skywalker thing like trying a piece of brochures together and like turn that into a curriculum yes he knows the one of the thing that comes up very early on is he quotes Yoda's uh do or do not there is no try uh and and you know uh admits that he doesn't really understand what it means either he said it a lot that that cracked me up i because at first i was like oh hell no we're not doing this we're not i can't and then the fact that at the end he's like yeah

I never really understood what the fuck Yota was talking about with that. Like, I was like, okay, okay. Let's get, yeah. Zeb does have that hit where he's like, no wonder the old religion died, which is fucked up when you know that the reason it died is one of the people from it helped kill everybody inside of it. Zep, Zeb has earned that a little bit after the last week. But Canaan wasn't the one giving him shit about that.

I know, but Kenan is the one letting it happen. You're right. And I think, like, we sort of touch on this little bit in our Clone Wars discussion. It's a religion with no followers, only priests. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I think this is part of the problem is, like, it only makes sense and it's only compelling the people who spend their lives inside the temple. And so, like, there's a reason that when the Jedi Temple burned, everyone was like, what? Who?

Oh, the Jedi Temple? Oh, yeah. I was one. I heard what that building was. Yeah, I heard if you go to Khoras out, you should do a tour, but, you know, so out of the way, you know. Yeah, no, I think they do a really good job of setting up the sense that you're not sure. You at the very least don't feel he had a Padawan before, you know, in the opening. He's doing, it's like he saw a new hope and was told that he has to do Obi-Wan Kenobi teaching Luke.

And he's like, yeah, bro, okay, you stand over there. I'm going to throw some shit at you. We'll figure it out. I don't know what kind of Jedi he was. Like, I feel like he might, not library, but he was like... We know his name, the name of his, we learn the name of his master. And she was on the council in episodes one and two. So, so it's a high level master, at least, right?

Or is a high level master, yeah. Do you think that he's like one of those Clone Wars era Jedi that kind of got pushed through the program? It would have been, like that, right? Yeah, yeah, I do. That's the vibe I get from him. Same. Yeah. Well, and like...

Also, I mean, you know, I still sometimes get Quinlan vibes from him where it's like, and then we put you out on these streets. Yeah, and you're just out. A little less meditation, a little more busting up, smuggling rings and stuff like that. But speaking of like going undercover or false flags or whatever, we get this news report. So Canaan's prime now, like feeling lost with this new student, I'm sure what to do. He's ready to latch on to anything. and they get this news report from

Pirate Hollandette Radio a message from Senator in exile Gall Travis. Voiced by Brent Spiner by data from Star Trek, so I wonder if we're going to get more of this guy. But here's the thing. I get the

worst vibes from this guy. Austin, did you grab a picture in this guy? Because I didn't. And I regret that now. But he looks like David Niven. If you're old as hell, but he does look like David Niven. But also, there's just this little sense of, like, if you're creating a honey, like, a honeypot trap for, like, would-be rebels, this is the guy you would have, like, leading that operation. Yeah.

The image of him is so fucked up. All right, I'm dropping him in deeply. Yeah. I don't, not a trustworthy face. But think about, think about Andor, the show. Sometimes you get people like this on your side and you got to work with them, you know? And if he's, if he's truly out there, I don't know. Is this about my mother's husband?

It could be. No, her sidepiece, right? It's her side piece, Kazba has this guy's more, right? And the weird guy who wants to buy her daughter, which of work. just meat just a meat yeah just a meat yeah I don't know I'm so curious if this guy's gonna end up being legit

or end up being where he's rubbing he's wearing authentic rebel colors he's got the orange yeah he heard about what was I guess maybe this hasn't happened yet right the shit on what's the planet called in Andor where am I blinking on it Rick's Road

Ferrix on Ferrix hasn't happened yet probably but um you know how i know that because you because of my Lego fucking and or set yeah uh-huh and because i watch the show and do a podcast about it and do a podcast do you okay here's my question do you think this is either a fake pirate radio message or that the luminarist stuff was leaked to the pirate radio who then legitimately put it out in the world thinking it was good intent it's like to me the whole thing feels like I don't know I'm judging a lot by a picture I just got a bad vibe the minute I saw this guy I was like the you do not go on a quest given by this guy's pirate radio broadcast so to me the whole thing feels like a bit of a setup but as the Inquisitor alludes to they have done they have run this game before right and I imagine this more effective if you keep much like with Death Star 2 all these all these little tricks make a lot more sense of you make people work hard enough to feel like they did win some intelligence here. Yeah, I'm

very curious. I'm very curious to see. I think we're both, I think that either one of those vibes is right, but... Also, his sorry, his rhetoric is also so like, centrist in some ways. Like, he's center in exile, sure, but he's like, I am calling on the Empire to reveal Master Andouli's

whereabouts. She deserves a trial. Yeah. She deserves, yeah, okay, how's that going to go? You know how that's going to go? What do you think is going to happen? She's not going to win the trial. She's a Jedi. They killed all the Jedi.

It was a death sentence to be a Jedi. Yeah, I'm all the way around. You pointing this out is now completely broad. I don't trust this guy at all because that's what a fake rebel would say. Oh, she deserves a fair trial. That's the imperial imagination. The imperials have put me on the wrong. for speaking my radical message of demanding that people entrust themselves to the fair jurisprudence

of the empire. I mean, but I feel like they're just, I feel like that's going out on, on public networks because, you know, at least if they can be like, yeah, no, we'll bring her in, we'll bring her in, and then they can lose her. But that's the thing. A real rebel wouldn't say, oh, they'll give a trial. They'd say, if you see her, get her to safety, because they're going to kill her. do you like they can't undercut themselves in the fake bad PR they have to

re-insist that there was a such a thing as a fair trial in the empire even in I don't I'm all the way I'm all the way traitor-pilled I hate this guy this guy's a liar it's a setup right he wants you to know about Palpatine's wicked advisors who're doing all these bad things five minutes ago I thought he was um I thought he was being used as a vector for bad intel, but he was legit. And now that Rob has called out this thing that what he has said is, we need to give her a trial. Whereas if there was an enemy of the state who had done something, if someone blew up a pipeline and I got out on the thing and was like, they deserve a fair trial, you would know I'd been replaced. Because what I should be saying

privately is get them to a boat. We have to get them out of here. Not She should be released for fair trial. I mean, you know. But where did you get the jacket then? Macy's. Oh. I didn't realize.

I thought it was like a custom, like you need a, yeah, custom. No, no, you got to dial the. Get your real rebel jacket now. You know,

and you're like the Nike, you can customize your own joints. Yeah. It's like that. It's actually one of those situations. So he just went on the jacket store and dialed in the numbers. Jackets.com. He put in the hex for the orange.

He just copied to the eyedropper. He had a picture of a rebel in the orange jumpsuit, and he put the eyedropper tool on there to get the hex code. And then Josh dropped that right in. Oh, it's just one of their jackets. Right. Yeah, he just, yeah. Uh-huh. He just stole it.

He just stole it. He stole it. We'll see. I have no idea if this guy comes back. But again, in fact that he's a. name makes me feel like he'll come back you know yeah voice actor um anyway I fucking popped when Luminar was brought up so

I was I lost my mind and it's such a good pick for Canaan to be like oh shit yes I could oh like Luminar Luminar can teach this kid like that's Luminar now obviously Bear is Offie with that unbroken track record of Padawan success Not the best. But in terms of our mental images of Jedi, Luminarra is like, oh, yeah, the peaceful one who didda-da-da-da-da, like who's so smart, wise.

Very temperate. You know, she'll be calm. She'll bring calmness to this kid, blah, blah, blah. Maybe Caden's not up on what happened with Barras Offie. I don't know. That was a secret trial. I feel like Canaan's probably been out on its own for a while. I feel like he wouldn't have heard of it.

Yeah. The thing I just wanted to note here because it happens twice. It happened twice to me. Earlier on, I skipped this bit, or maybe we mentioned it, but, but Ezra has that line where he's like, and whose fault is that, master? And that and another thing he says towards the end, huge Anakin vibes, huge, later at the very end when he's like, I understand, master. It is, and it's partly, it's like, it's a young kid doing this voice, not a kid, but, you

know, it's like, it's someone who's trying to play young devil make hair, you know, Jedi Padoan who's learning how to control his emotions and shit. But like, you know, I don't, I think Canaan's real good. I don't know, I don't know what would have happened if Canaan had been the master of Anakin Skywalker. Maybe it would have turned out better because he's also a little bit of a loose cannon. Maybe it would have turned out worse because he doesn't have, he clearly doesn't have the, right now, the confidence he needs is a master. It's so easy to imagine, though, like oh wait you think your mom's in trouble

right that's fucked up all right let's go let's go let's you know what better be safe let's get on my wife's spaceship and go take care of it hey Yoda doesn't need to know about this hair is cool hair is cool yeah exactly

yeah I'm not like what you call attached but like you know we're two we're just two beings journey together on the street yeah It's got a good thing going. I'm trying not to mess with it. There's a bit here I love.

First of all, the ghost continues to reveal cool tricks, like the fact that they've got the detachable, like landing craft. And there's a good little bit here of, it just draws attention to how practice this crew is and how Ezra is not used this. There's this bit where they're all basically relaxing

and getting in their headspace before going into what they sort of say, like what Zeb is convinced is a suicide mission. And he's not joking. He's like, we will need a miracle for us to bring this off. But everyone's just like coolly, like, ready to go do this as they begin, like, plummeting toward this planet.

And Ezra's clearly freaked out. And everyone else is just like, for me, it was, for me, it was Tuesday. I love their little handheld com units, which is like, that's just a Star Wars thing. But, like, I like to see them, the little, like, silver cylinders that people talk into, they're fun. And yeah, we, they go down there and we get some. gets all cranked up watching everyone, like, do their cool, like, Halo jump, and he's like, I can do that, too.

And he, I mean, he lands the jump, but he doesn't, as he, he bounces into the wall, causes a bunch of noise. Also, it's right after Canaan does the sick, like, martial arts shit on the stormtroopers. And another thing I wound up thinking a lot while watching Canaan throughout this was like, does he, until now, has he been using the force on missions? or has he not been? Because there's like, in the first episode,

the first, the pilot, we saw him use guns a lot in Lothal. And until he put out, pull out the lightsaber, you wouldn't know he was a Jedi. You would think he was just a mercenary, right? And when he jumps down out of the ship, here he starts by using all sorts of fucking

Tarras-Cossi-ass, you know, chops and stuff. But then throughout the sequence, the heist. He is force throwing people all the time. He is knocking people out. He's pulling people's guns out of their hands. I think he's like, I think he finally is like, okay, I can just do this all the time. Yeah. And I kind of think he's enjoying it a little bit. There's like a little bit of him like, he's like, he's like getting off on the idea that he can like use these powers again a little bit. I don't say he's showing off because at this point he's not trying to,

he thinks he's going to get, he's going to be able to stop teaching Ezra. But it's funny to see him do this stuff after the last arc in the first two episodes where he's not really doing this shit at all. There's a sequence. I forget which of the DC cartoons it was, but it's this monologue that Superman gives, World Made a Paper, where he's talking to a villain and he's trying to explain what it is like to be Superman, just going through the world every day, which is that like you can crush steel with like a pinch of your fingers. You can, you can shatter someone a million paces with a single blow. And he can't do that because he's Superman. So everything, everything for him is an act of repression, restraint,

being even at the most desperate battles having to effectively like treat everyone with the thickest, gentlest kid gloves. And the punch on the speech is like, finally they found a villain that can only be beaten by like Superman going full tilt. And there's like it's, what makes a badass speech is he's letting this villain know,

I've been waiting for this. Like this is going to be fun for me because I get to just exult in being, the last son of Krypton. And nobody has seen this shit before. And I feel like there's a bit of that happening with Canaan where it's like so many years of having to like do it the hard way. And now we can just take their guns and beat their asses.

Well, I feel like also from the Inquisitor, who you already mentioned they run into later, where when they get into their duel, the Inquisitors like talk shit about his form, about his lightsaber forms. It's so good. Yeah. your master really loves form three and I can tell that you're really committed to it, too committed to it. And like, you know the inquisitor doesn't get to talk that shit that often.

Like, this is what, like, the inquisitor is around regular ass. You know what I mean? This is that good, like, nobody gets it. Nobody gets it, exactly. You finally found your, your guy that you can actually, you can actually go. It's like, it's like we get to do shop talk as I try to kill you. It feels great, you know? Yeah.

But before we get there, speaking of desperate battles, what's up? with Harris plot line? No, I'm sorry. I'm here for it. The animation is so good. It's so funny. The minute, like the animal sort of like go, the little flying bath thing goes up to the ship and like looks at it quizzically and then like sort of thwaps against it.

Like I was like, is it trying to hump the, and it is. It is. There, Harry has gone to the cloaked mode or like signal jammed mode and a hidden against the side of the prison, uh, like, Citadel type thing. That's right. Which is the thing that spaceships do in Star Wars all the time. They're just like dock sideways on some shit to hide.

And then three of these giant... Well, because their cloak mode is also emitting a high frequency, like... Mating call, it turns out. And they have these huge, like, suction legs. It's their... They're really trying to get up there. And... Yeah.

Her has got to go. He's got to bounce for a sec. Was not expecting. I was not expecting the mating call subplot. Listen, we're in an aged up, we're, we're in the preteen world now. Dinosaurs are

gonna hump spaceships. You know what? Apparently, you're right. And then we get there. We get to Luminara. Oh, man. Okay, so what are we seeing here? What are, like, what is this? What are we looking at when we see Luminara? They get to

the, they get to, they force trick their way. They, the Jedi trick, mine trick their way into the, in the room, the cell. Cell is bathed in orange light. Luminara is sitting on a bench. Her head, you know, falling into her hands. She slowly looks up. Her eyes, bright blue, like Ezra's.

They're like, is it really her? Yeah, but something's wrong. And she gets up and approaches them with these sort of staccato steps that feel like there's an energy to them that's not, it's an energy we've never seen from Luminar before, right? They're very, they're very forward. They're very, like, chest out. I'm going to show you something.

I'm going to show you something. You're like, okay, whoa, the energy is weird. But I, like, I'm sorry to have to show you this. Yes. And she makes you, she makes eyes with them and then turns and walks into a sarcophagus, a sort of a flat coffin, the shape of a person with the shoulders and like a head spot and a window. and she steps in there, and there is a sort of, I guess it's not gas, but like it sort of fills with an energy for a second.

She closes her eyes, resigned, and then her mouth stretches and opens, revealing her teeth because the skin has been pulled back because she is a mummified corpse. It is wild. It's haunting. It is so much worse than the Gallery of Jedi. we see in Obi-Wan. Like, this is such a death punch moment because it's like all the other Jedi

get like the mercy of dying during Order 66. She's entombed. And I'm not entirely clear that isn't some bit of her. And they're using her ghost. Multiple times. Multiple times they've done this.

They've pulled this trick multiple times. She was like a force emitting in the same way that Sabine's signal jammer amidst the mating signal of the bat whales. The through line. It's the through line. So too does the mummified corpse of Luminaro and Dolly amid a force signal

because that's a thing. He felt her here. It's not like, they could have made this where like they opened the door and oh my God, a corpse is in there. Gotcha. But he feels her. Or they could have gotten to the ship and be like, it doesn't, like, she's not here. She's not.

But he does genuinely feel her presence. And she's like her force ghost is haunting the ship. Yeah. And this is the metaphysically terrifying in Star Wars because like Yoda is shaken because like what? Like Jedi can survive beyond death. But like oh my goodness, we can keep some like our identity from like joining with the force. And here the empire has perfected some sort of weird science version of it where like we're

going to keep this like puppeted soul. Yeah, like trapped here forever. And it's like, oh, they didn't mention this was possible in the force. I just thought it was going to like commune with Obi-Wan and commune with Quigon, you know, beyond death. Didn't know that this was waiting for Luminara. Yeah. Well, and then waiting for them is the Inquisitor, a lightsaber blade out, ready to duel. Ecstatic that his little plan has worked seemingly like you said, again, it's happened before.

They've used her before. Well, and then, like, again, you know, uh, Jason Isaac, so good at these types of roles. There's this bit where the way he announces himself is, you know, Kane is like, what happened to her. And, you know, Isaac comes in. It's like, uh, you know, the Inquisitor says, it doesn't seem that complicated. Yeah. I love that he just goes, hi, I am the Inquisitor.

Yep. Uh-huh. She's great. Welcome. It's great. Got to commercial. Come back. and sick lightsaber fight.

So good. There's so many good moments. There's a moment where they escape the cell and the Inquisers emerging from the shroud of fog with the lightsaber drawn. There's like so many great images in this show. Out the gate, yeah. Also, it looks like he uses the same fighting style as Duku,

which as he's talking about like who trained Canaan, you can also feel who trained him. if you've watched Clone Wars. Well, I'm curious who actually trained him, right? Because I want to know what his story is. We get a few lore bits here, right? He says that he trained with Jedi Master Deppa Blaba. Wait, Duku's dead.

Yeah, Dukes dead. So that's what I'm saying. He didn't get trained with Duke. Duku's dead now. Yeah, Duku died. Duku's head came off. RIP. Duku's not going to pop up.

We need to watch solo. Revis is dead. They're not coming back. They're gone. We were not getting updates And they're not doing lightsaber lessons No They ain't part of this

They were on the losing side of that war Ventress is dead now Yeah Ventress is dead now That part sucks That part truly fucked up But yeah So he notices He says it seems you trained

With Jedi Master Depa Bilaba Who again is in background character In episode 1 and 2 In the Jedi Masters council whatever He notes that he uses Form 3 aka Ceresu which is the form it's not just the form that that Deppa uses it's it that's Obi-Wan Kenobi's form that's the like the hand or the hand out blade up above his hand that's

Ceresu whereas what he's using is Makashi which is what Duku used was form 2 there's also Ataru which is what Quigon used which is that like that blade up next to your hand like up to your head and like your elbow out, like almost like a baseball bat. That's the form that quiet. There's a bunch of these forms. They're very cool. And seeing that they're like mentioned here was like, again, sometimes they play with the toys I do like.

And here people talk about lightsaber forms is the toys I like. But like who trained him? How does he know this? He talks about the Jedi Temple, the archives in the Jedi Temple being very intact, which means he's had access to those, which is fascinating. I think what we got here is a sword nerd. Yeah, we have a sword nerd. Like, I think we got a fencer.

I think we got, I think we got a fencer. Yeah. And so I think, like, the vibe I get from this is he's, like, really proud of how much he knows about all the Jedi fighting styles. Right. Because all of them would learn from their master's passed on, like, from one to the other. He studied all of the, like, all the texts on all their fighting styles and mastered all of them.

Is there evidence he's force sensitive? He's got Sith eyes. He takes some hits that I think would knock down regular faults. Yeah, he does have Sith eyes. He's got the Yellow eyes. He's got the yellow eyes. They're not Sith eyes and Darkside eyes. They're not necessarily sick. Okay, we're going to the zone. We've got to go back to the zone. I'm sorry. Because, because, and the key thing here is there is something that they talk about in terms of him being a sword nerd that I think is interesting.

Or something they say is it interesting in relation to the idea that he's a sword nerd because of how they talk about his lightsaber. He found the Jedi Book of Five Rings and it's just like, this is my life now. They don't say that, but that would be very funny. All right. Starting at second 47, this is Rebels Recon 104 Inside Rise of the Old Masters.

Three, two, one, go. We sat down with the show's creators to talk about building the perfect lightsaber and the beginning The lightsabers really do feel like original trilogy. Joe Aaron. Make that happen. The shot that I use a reference lot was inside the canina.

Obie just kind of looking around and a lightsaber was like, and so I looked at that timing, matched the timing, and basically built the same thing in the CG. And I put a rod, spun it off center, to see what it would do, turn on motion blur, and just made it just respond the light like crazy just like they did on the set. And that's our lightsaber.

What was the thought behind the Inquisitor's lightsaber? The lightsaber for the Inquisitor is like a cheat mode lightsaber. It does a lot of things that all can do on his own. Cheat mode. Cheat mode. Cheats those abilities and makes up for a lack of ability in some ways. You know, it was very representative of who he is. I was assigned a lightsaber for the Inquisitor. He had already been designed. Amy Beth Christensen. And then they pulled out this concept art that was never used before previously. And I looked and it was actually a lightsaber that we had designed for the Force Unleashed, which I was, you know, the concept artist on.

And so I was like, oh, yeah, I can totally do that. What do you think Canaan's strengths will be as a master for Ezra? He's very honest about who he is. He's very cavalier, and I think that that gets him out of the kind of more dogmatic relationship of Jedi and Apprentice usually have. You know, he's willing to admit, yeah. You're crying wolf? And that makes him very likable because he's not so much holier than thou.

Are there any parallels between Ezra and Canaan's relationship and you and Freddie on set? I remember the first time we went into record, record, Freddy would be like, hey, Taylor, why don't you just add a little here or something? And I was like, yeah, I was gonna do that anyways. And then Tia was talking after and she's like, Freddy is like exactly like, Kenny, you're just like Ezra. Like you guys are, and I'm like, no, we're not, no.

And now I'm like, oh yeah, it's the most obvious thing in the world. Okay. Okay. Lego time. We're seeing the ghost being built with Legos. This is cool. The ghost is such a cool ship.

Yeah. Last week we asked you to send us your questions about fighter flight and once again, tracked down Pablo I'll go to get his expert insight. How is the Inquisitor not a Sith? He's obviously a dark side user. Okay. He's a dark side user, but not all dark side users are Sith, just in the

same way, not all light side users are Jedi. Being able to become a lightsaber and use it isn't the mark of being a Jedi or being a Sith. So there are multiple He's super serious as the answer to that. In the same way, just because Ezra's, you know, exhibits his force abilities, would you immediately

brand him as a Jedi? No, because he hasn't gone through that particular path of Callison. So it seems like the darksiders and he's like no idiot.

They are spreading some of that power out but they're not giving the sort of full abilities that they have to this lower class of underlings.

Palpatine knows the rule two sucks if you're going to try to build a galaxy-wide empire around this yes. It's like we're not doing this shit again.

All right. These guys don't count against the rule too. These are freebies. I mean that is really one of this you want. That's,

Literally, at some point, someone was like, all right, I'm sick. What if it's not my said apprentice? What if it's my dark side trainee? What if it's my dark side intern? Yeah, that's allowed. Interns are allowed. Interns are allowed, says Palpatine. But they cannot pay them.

I see here his time sheets are 40 hours. You know what you have to do. You will not be getting school credit for this. If they get 40 hours, they get health care. You must terminate him for at least six weeks before you can bring him back. Whoa, Palpatine sounds like a lot like a studio head for games. Anyway, I do like the thing that they said there of like, oh, he's making up for, or I think they're revealing something about that character. They're thinking of it in that terms that like, oh, he, his, that lightsaber, the lightsaber that the Inquisitors,

use. It's kind of like, for people who haven't seen this, it shows up in a lot of the more recent stuff. Jedi fall in order and survivor have Jedi or have these inquisitors that use these. They show up at Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan-Kinobi, the show. It's like a, it's like a, the hilt is only the length of a regular lightsaber blade. It's not the double-sided size of like a Darth-Mall like blade. And then it has like a half circle or it can become a full circle guard around it.

That's very big. It's not like a tight, like, it's not like a enormous calorie saber. It does, exactly. And it can either be a single saber, a double saber, or a double saber that can spin somehow. Like, they hold the middle of it, like, as if you're like, hold your phone out or like a, hold out like a screwdriver. I don't know why I have a screwdriver right here, but hold out a screwdriver and then imagine that, like, the metal of the screwdriver could like spin around your arm the way that

Darth Ball would spin his lightsaber around it. I think the idea that, like, oh, yeah, Darth Wall could do that because he was good at lightsaber shit. The Inquisitor can do it because he has a piece of technology. He is a sword. He is a laser sword, which I love, by the way, obviously Canaan calls them laser swords at the beginning. He's like, you're not a Jedi as because you have a laser sword. You're using a laser sword doesn't make you. I thought it was good.

But, yeah, I think that idea like, oh, he has this other stuff that lets him be as good as all that is an interesting difference than what we've seen from Venture. or Maul or Savage, you know, who like, fundamentally, when Savage showed up, Savage was like, oh, yeah, that dude's powerful. Like, Savage is here to kill people. The thing that made him weak was Darth Maul, like, real talk, like. Damn. Damn. Damn.

Darth Mal, who is still out there right now at this point, trying to do a crime empire, I guess, question mark, question mark, question mark. Which was the very thing that he was like, no, Savage. bigger plans than that. When Savage was like, we could just be criminals. Hey, what if we just kept doing rip and runs with force powers for the rest of our lives? No.

Can't do that. He's honoring his fallen brother. Wow. True. Yeah. Okay. When Savage was good, he's like, oh, Savage. Yeah. You were right the whole time. Lady him solo against the Daphimir and there's like big portrait of Savage

like covered in Garland. It's all for you, brother. We start to get some stuff from the Inquisitor here, starting to try to tempt Ezra away, right? Like telling Ezra, and first of all, Ezra is just deeply ineffective against him. His little slingshot, his energy slingshot, does do any damage. Zero, unaffected, unaffected. Unaffected.

Does not have the right damage type. No. I know we had some mixed opinions on this, but I think it makes it better. I think that it's It didn't work And like there's another episode We skipped this but he also shoots other guys with it earlier In like the train or the rescue in the second episode

He shoots some Star Troopers with it They get like step back from the damage But they're not hurt from it No I'm with you Ali Like the The like psychosexual meaning Invested in Ezra shooting his little like His little like slingshot

Yeah And the Inquisitor is just exulting in its lack of and seemingly enjoying the experience, I think just, like, really does get at some of the underlying, like, tensions. They're behind, like, the mentorship. What is the dark inversion of the Jedi Padawan relationship? We've got maybe a hint of it here. No, well said, Allie.

I just thought it, you know, it was cooler as a gadget if you could see it not work in certain situations, but also that. Yeah. I was curious how people felt about. the like come join me little force user guy like just kill him aren't we killing Jedi just kill him well maybe there's something valuable

in having you could suck him like you did what are doing it's a big it's a big it's a big Luminara Luminorla

What is Austin hugging? It's a big piece of styrophones. Austin is a monitor A computer shipping I got to yeah

My computer shipped in this I had it nearby I needed to clutch I needed to clutch something with my whole body Yeah Like

you Bate make another Jedi dirty And then you've got more bait And then you've got more bait I just Okay

Yeah I feel like You are you It's the same reason He has values What I'm trying to say Right he has value Yes Yeah

Better alive than dead Right Whereas Canaan You're not gonna break Canaan Canaan's not gonna join The Dark side Canaan doesn't have Also it feels like

Ezra might be OP Like it might be one of these stories It might be another chosen one. Yeah, of course he is. But he seems Opie. He seems like the meter is off the charts. He's the avatar. Right. We don't know what the mid-chlorian count is, but I bet it's high.

It would be sick if it wasn't. It would be sick if at the end of this, it was like, I'm not really a powerful Jedi. I have the force, but I kind of I like had a high velocity, but a low top speed. You know what I mean? That would be kind of fun. Not every Jedi can be the chosen one. That's what I would

prefer. Yeah. I do wonder like, you know, they're trying to exterminate any could possibly be a Jedi, but like, is their value in someone with like, like some sort of force sensitivity? You never train them to be a Jedi, but they're just like an inquisitor with some like bonus stats. I mean, effectively. Like is there? Some of the inquisitors seem like they have four shit going on, right? In the Obi-1 series, certainly. Like, like the one was obviously using force shit. Yeah, so bring him on. You get his hair dyed from. from blue to red, you know, boom, Inquisitor Ezra.

I bet that some of them were raised young. Yeah. So you can remember, like, they think they're going to make an empire that's going to last a thousand years. You know, there's lots of time for bringing new young force sensitives into the inquisitorium or whatever, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Nobody can imagine that Darth Vader and Palpatine are going to fumble the bag so epically, just to fuck with one 20-year-old. It's, it's, the family empire lasts like 20 years, 25 years or whatever. It's so funny because it looms so large. It's Star Wars, right? But when you watch Star Wars as a kid, you don't think this started 20 years ago. You think it was like, it's like an era. Yeah.

It's like a generation of experience. Living under it probably does feel like that. Do you know what I mean? if you lived, if, let's imagine fascists, complete fascist takeover of the United States, not just crypto-fascist centrist takeover of the United States, but explicit, not just imperialist, you know, but truly fascism rises in the United States. And we all lived here for 25 years. That would suck.

And it would feel like an era for the next hundred years. We would think about the era. Even if we got out of that. Oh, yeah. Our life, we'd be like, God, my life under. Fascism, literally under the regime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

We would not, so I get that. But in the, like, the mythopoetic way that Star Wars works, you don't think the emperor, like, got the gig 20 years ago when you're watching a new hope. You're like, oh, yeah, the emperor, the emperor of the galaxy, he must have been the emperor for a thousand years. Like, he must be the latest in the long line of emperors. So funny. 20 years. 20 years.

20 years. You know, can't drink. yeah someone born the day the empire like started they're gonna celebrate they're gonna celebrate your fall on their 21st on their 21st birthday with a giant jogan cocktail yeah i thought you were trying to say i thought you were trying to say like a rum and coke but somehow got joke in there and i was like yeah but a jogan fruit plus like a jogan fruit rum plus coke and coke sounds good to me. What do you think Jogun fruit tastes like? Purple? Like purple blue? You know what I mean? It has like a purple blue. Yeah. With a little yellow. With a little yellow. Yeah. Crunchy. But do you think

crunchy fruit? Like a plum. Yeah. No, it does look. It looks like, oh. Crunchy like a plum? No, no, I'm no. Like a crisp plum. Like a crisp plum? Yeah. It's when they're best. I love when they're little snappy. Crisp is what I mean. Snappy, snappy, snappy, crispy. Crunchy, yeah. Crunchy's different.

Not crunchy. Not peanut butter. I get it. Crunchy peanut butter is a thing. I get it. But I went to the soft, silky texture of peanut butter, smooth peanut butter. I think, oh my God, that's even further. Crunchy peanut butter, yeah. Okay, I got you.

Yes. Well, anyway They get away They have three thermal detonators By the way Which I feel like growing up I thought a thermal detonator Was a nuclear bomb

Like I thought Well in the source books they are Thank you When Hanselob bust Or when Leah Leah has the first Thermal detonator scene Right

When she's like I have a thermal detonator Everyone is like Jabba's Palace Right Everyone is like Oh my God We gotta get out of here

That's so dangerous And like get a Someone just out of a live grenade Again We would all be like we got to get out of here. That's so dangerous. But Ezra sets it off in the room they're in, and it's fine.

It's a pretty controlled blast. Like, it's got a very tight radius around it. But also in those same source books, because they had to cover this. Okay. Because you need throwable weapons in an RPG, and you need grenades for dark forces. Right. So they created, like, multiple classes of thin detonators. The one that Leah held was a.

Class A thermal detonator, which could, like, obliterate a city. But then there were smaller ones that were, like, tiny grenade. Gotcha. It's still a thermal detonator. Still detonating heat in some way. You don't know what type of, what type of class detonator somebody's got on them. That's true. You can't take a risk.

Yeah. And Sabine's an explosive master. Sure. Maybe she dialed it. Maybe they have little switches on it, like the lightsabers, which we skipped this also. Ezra tries to use Canaan's lightsaber at the beginning of this episode, and it's too long for him. and Cain is like, oh yeah, there's a dial on the side to make it adjust to your height.

Why aren't you using that all the time? People should be using that little switch constantly. Yeah. I'd be like, oh, I have a really long lightsaber for a minute. Switch it out. Yeah. I would surprise people and just randomly make it longer and trick them.

People aren't using their lightsaber to the full abilities. I think they're not being creative enough. Speaking of that, using your full abilities, the talk goes real differently if the Inquisitor starts running sooner he just strolls after them like being cool guy like you can run but you can't hide but then he realizes

as the security doors come down that he should probably put some hustle on it and it doesn't work out he waits too long he could have just ended this whole thing if he just like played the ball a little a little faster it'll bust his ass on inside the NBA you know you got to put effort in get that rebound

sitting outside the arc watching what are you watching for you're down by four there's two minutes left in the game god damn i think he likes to chase i hate that load management i hate this load management era of Jedi hunting in our day we hunted we hunted jettis just non-stop we went so we get the um you know they're stuck now in this like hanger and this is where Ezra regains his confidence that uh and and they both regain their confidence as Ezra in that he can that Canaan does want and can teach him and Canaan

regains assurance that he can in like when it counts impart like Jedi skills and knowledge to Ezra because they work together to man effectively like Jedi were just the galaxy's greatest second story man in history because they

pick the lock of an imperial hanger using their minds. It's sick. Picture the internal locking mechanism of this door which is not normally it's like push this door open break the lock but no he's like could you picture the internal locking mechanism a single lock in your house i couldn't i got a i got a sort of a water bottle here where i hit the i hit the button and the top pops off it's basically magic i have no idea what's going on in there i got to tell you it's i got no i think there's a little thing and it

push it i don't know i couldn't draw it i couldn't i can imagine a lot of i have a real visual memory or visual like imagination in that way. He'd no idea what's going on in here. Oh, but there's a spring somewhere. Spring. Yeah. Yeah. Can I not be a Jedi because I have a zero cube score? You a zero cube score? I always forget this. Oh no. No, no, no. Wait, wait, what's cute? Sorry, cube score. Okay. So your cube score is how many. Rob missed cube score? Yeah, it's a, if you close your eyes and you think of a cube, how many cubes can you think of it once? And I, you have to not just think of cubes you have to spin them you have to be spinning oh you have to spin them okay sure sure i have zero you was zero you can't think of a cube i i know this is a thing i'm not as soon as i start seeing

it spinning it like turns into not a cube but you see it no are we really gonna do a fantasia okay yeah see also this is the problem is as i'm thinking it's like i'm like i'm like i can think of a million because it's just turning into a disney style like remember when the heffalumps and Woozell start dancing in Winnie the Pooh? I'm just getting that, like, frame of all them doing the same thing. It's fine to do one. It's easiest to do an array of them.

If I could picture a three by, it's harder for me to make seven cubes move in my mind than it is to make nine. Because a nine is three by three, and I can think of a three by three grid of cubes, and now they're spinning in my head right now, and then I could double that into two planes of it, so that's 18. That's easy

to do. But if you have to do 15, I could do 15, I could do five, five, that I could do. I got up to six and then I skipped seven because I was like, seven's impossible. Sevens, yeah, no, prime numbers, odds, no. Uh-uh. It's like I'm looking at the cube and it's, and it's looking at me straight on and it's like daring me to spin it. And when I do, it just, it's, it like disappears from my mind. Interesting. I, this is, yeah. That's wild. The thing about this, I always hear from people who hear this and they're like, oh, that's so unfair because artists who can, like, I know artists who are like, I can't do this. You have a cheat code for

art. And I don't have a cheat code for art. I can't draw anything. No, because I have no, because I have no sense of like a gestalt. Or like, it's like, if you're, if you like ask me drawing in with perspective, I can't do it. Yeah. And the answer is, of course, that we haven't done the work. We didn't like spend a hundred hours learning how to do this shit. But that's because when I so clearly see something, when I see the nine cubes in my head, it's so clear. It's so clear. And I can't approach it with my, with a pencil. And so it becomes really demoralizing to have this incredibly clear image in your head that you cannot create. And cannot translate it. Can't translate it. So imagine if you had the, if you had the power to

create, for instance, the image of a spaceship leading a flight of amorous Star Wars beasts on a strafing run of an imperial facility. Imagine the things you could create. You could create that, which is what the rebels team did to get our heroes out of a jam as Hera and the Ghost return with her leading a flock of horny, like... Space bats. Minok things, yeah. Oh, they actually have a name.

They're called, they're called Tibbides. Because during production, like pre-production, they were labeled T-B-D, and so they became Tibbiz. I don't know. We don't need to name them. They're just called T-B-Ds. Why not? I hate that. Which is all like the, what's the Dragon Age one?

Thetus. The setting of Dragon Age is Thetus, which is just, just means the dragon. age setting T-H-E D-A-S Stop Uh-huh Uh-huh

I get it What the hell You know what Names are hard Names are hard Also you know It's hard Clearance

Getting fucking names Clearing Duh Yep Uh Anyway Rip to Lubinara Um

Literally Thanks to the Tibitys Uh Actually Lupinara is gonna keep getting used right like she's yes I have no idea

they should have there was a moment when it seemed did they kill her ghost no there was a moment when it felt like the inquisitor's blade almost was going to go into the sarcophagus and I don't think that happened unfortunately because like I would prefer her to be dead dead I don't know that would actually help sending out this gal travis signal

to like random pockets of yes this is what we're saying with the with the Luminara bait in it yeah this is my theory Killing Mad Jedi? Yeah. I think you're right. I think that's exactly what's happening.

Very sinister stuff. Very evil. Not just doing your job stuff. Evil stuff. Right. Evil stuff. This is not noble Cyril Karn. No.

Cyril Kahn would never do that. This is cursed Dedra energy. This is that guy who is like, I have tinkered with the sound of a race dying. Yes. Yes. It's that guy. It's such a bummer for Luminara. This is such a, like, you did your best.

You already fucked up with Barris. Baris, yeah. You know? What a terrible existence. And also, she knew she wasn't built for this. You know, the end of that sequence in the first season where they're escorting. Ventress. No, Ventress is doing the rescue.

Gunray. Yeah. And that ends with her going to Asoka and being like, I thought I knew what this new world was about. and I'm just not, I'm not cut out for this, and she wasn't. And it's explicitly because she doesn't live in a time where, one, she wanted to be in a time where the Jedi got to be, like, at most peacekeepers, but mostly monks, and instead they have to be soldiers, and then also an era without the Sith fucking around. And so now she is literally a dark side, like, artifact.

Yeah. Ugh. It's awful. And even if she got rescued, Obi-Wan would just want to study her. Yeah. Ooh, Darkside relic. Interesting.

So Ezra's like, so, yeah, so, Canaan, again, we get the cross-signals thing as Canaan tells Hera that, you know, Luminar's gone, and, you know, it's, it means that the kid has no one but Canaan to train.

him and you know he's stuck he's stuck with me asra hears it as I'm stuck with this kid and as when they land back on lowthal Ezra's like I'm let you off the hook I'm just going to leave and this is where they sort of come to their understanding and now they play a nice father-son game of catch at the foot of the land of the last thank God this episode ended with a heart to heart If I had to suffer through all of this misunderstanding slash we won't talk to each other slash Canaan should be the adult here clear the air

for like an arc or a season I would we would this podcast would be complaining a lot Nothing would change but we would be upset But the fact that like that like it it ties up in this episode and we learned that these characters are able to communicate is so much better than the alternative.

Agreed. That's an episode. That's an episode. I liked when they kept doing the bit of asking Canaan, does yours do that? Oh, right. About his lightsaber. I thought that was funny.

I think generally the humor in the show, even though it's like, you know, it's not necessarily the most, it's quite obvious humor. It's funny I like it It's charming Once you like the characters

It's a short road To liking the jokes You know Yeah that's a good point And I also thought it was really cute When When Zeb gives Ezra

The storm The Stormtrooper helmet And is like Don't you collect these So a part of You know We've seen Ezra had like All of the like

Random member You know are stuff that he's collected from stealing, from the Imperials and stuff like that, lots of helmets and stuff. And Ezra's response is like, this is at the end of fight or flight. Ezra's like, oh, I already have this one.

And Zeb is so sad, so sad. And Ezra fucking clues in and is like, oh, but this one I can like cuss and I can get Sabine to like paint on it. This one's like a really nice. This one's like a really good one, and then Zeb's happy again, and it's cute. And I love this family. It's just what happens when some get you the Stormtrooper figure you already have.

You're like, oh, yeah, you already have. But I really want to a second. I could do so many different scenes with two of them now. Stormtrooper transport. Right. Exactly. God. So in terms of the schedule now, I think next week it's going to be a Patreon episode.

And the question I have for you all is it going to be Q&A. are we doing Mando? I'd be happy to do Mando. But we also do need to do Q&A for this shit, right? Yeah. We could just have like a giant Q&A next week. Right. The next month. Next month. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Let's just do Mando. I have one episode of that left. I'll happily wrap that up. And then the next main feed episode will be breaking ranks, episode six, and out of darkness, the seventh episode of season one, two episodes. This is going to be a light one. It might, we might watch those and be like, wow, it's going to be a light episode.

We'll see. Because if we get two, if we got two fighter flights in a row, that's a light episode. So we'll see. But I would prefer that, I think, than trying to sneak in. What I know, the next two, I think, are going to be much more meaty. But we'll see. Yeah, I wouldn't have said these, like, this was a good, this was a good run of episodes. Yeah, but, you know, still two hours to get through the three.

Yes. I don't want to be doubling up. Yeah. Especially if like, see, if we, if we accidentally stumble into one that's really meaty. Exactly. That one alone is different hour. Who knows? Yeah.

We'll see. All right. All right. So, yeah. So next week, it's going to be Mando Time. We were going to talk about the much maligned, controversial third season of, of a mandorian. I don't know what people think about this season. So the, the content industrial pipeline, the tape.

pipeline has gotten a hold of like Mando and like fully uh like there's a lot of Mando season three sucks is the energy around a lot of coverage and like here's why here's why the season is working and then there's still your usual mix of like wow like here's all these cool Jedi seekers revealed in Manto season three so it's like I secret's revealed yeah it's it is genuinely very tough for me to figure out what the actual reaction has been but most of what I've seen has been negative I don't know Ali like you like you often i think also have a decent grasp where the discourse is like what's what's your take on the reception phone i think i think it's been mixed yeah i think we will definitely

talk about it more but i think that like in the way that the season has sort of been like an up and down sort of thing i think the audience has sat with it as well and then just like there's different pockets of of people right so i saw a picture of somebody on the third episode, edit the Andor of title card to be like the Mandalorian, Andorlorian. Because that episode has this other vibe. Right. Yeah.

And people were like, this sucks where people are like, oh shit. You know, the Mandalorian is proving it now. So we'll get into that on Patreon. By my tongue. And so if you'd like to hear that or you just want to support the show, you do so at patreon.com slash civilized. Until next time, please rate and review us on your podcast platform of choice. And remember, if you are innocent of the crimes you're accused of, come forth and face

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