A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 73: Dantooine (Knights of the Old Republic 04)

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

The unlikely crew of the Ebon Hawk has ESCAPED Taris and set their sights for Dantooine, where TRUTHS and MYSTERIES await. We've got Jedi temples! We got mysterious ruins! We got beasts upset by a disturbance in the force! We got decades long feuds! We got droids! ....eugh, we certainly have droids, don't we....  Last time, we said we'd only do half of Dantooine but right here, we're covering the whole thing, baby! Next time: ALL of Tatooine! Let's hit these sands!! Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Ricardo Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zackney, and boy, do I suck and nights of the old... Oh, no! I'm so worried. And I mean, we're going to have to go into the layers of ways that I might have just fucked up. Like, maybe I should restart? No, we go. But I think I'm through it.

I think I'm through it, but anyway, we'll get to it. I'm joined by Alia Kampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. Hi. We are, as always supported by you, our listeners via patreon.com slash civilized. Head over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all of your Q&A episodes.

And if any of you have, know some cheat codes off the top of your head and email them to us. We can fix your build. If there's some console commands I can enter that can just unlock skills and talents and beats that I don't have, maybe, or just change my app.

Really. Austin can fix you. Don't worry. The lack of a respect is brutal in this game. Wait, there's no respect. I've still respect in this game. Oh, wait, okay. So, okay. You just had an opportunity to rethink your pathway. Should we start with that just to start? Yeah, so today on the day's episode, we're doing dantuin. We did all a dants. Dup's does dants. Right. I guess I guess pause really quick because we will have said this on socials, we decided to just do Dantoen. Which was a good decision because it doesn't break cleanly at all. It doesn't. There would have been a rump episode. I'm glad that it worked out that way, not just for me, because there was a point basically where I had like two hours. I had two quests left. I got to the point where

we were going to end. And I was like, let me just play ahead a little bit and see how much is really left. And it was like, oh no, this is only like two hours. We can't do our episodes go for two hours. We can't do just that. Her episodes go for more than two hours often. But I think we need to finish

Dantuin, which is why we, we all ended up just doing that. But I'm glad that that ended up being true for everybody, that it was just a little extra and not, no one felt like, oh, no, you made me play six hours more. So, really. Yeah. Anyway. So we did all of Dantuin, and Dantuin is where you are inducted into the Jedi Order. You learn a lot of things about your connection with the force and with Bastila.

Bastila, then you go out in the world and the Jedi, to complete your Jedi, we'll get to the Jedi training, but to complete your Jedi training, you have to go do a quest, you have to go fix a tainted grove, bump, tainted, grove, and then you have to deal with Mandalorian Raiders, and then you have to go into a creepy tomb that seems to have been instrumental in the fall of Malik and Revan. Yeah. You get a little flashback to them being like, I don't know about this. Maybe the same place seems pretty cursed and cut to their Sith who are destroying entire worlds. And then at the end of that, you are given sort of the literal treasure map, the trail of breadcrumbs that are going to lead you through the rest of this game and set you up on your rendezvous to basically rip the heart, you hope, rip the heart out of the Sith War Machine. get access to whatever like special it's a

the star forge it's a star forge it's a star forge it's always a pre-courge what could the star forge be I don't maybe it makes things like a forge forge from the Oxford dictionary

says well it also all the computers in there ask tell me what type of plant seed planets there are uh huh I'm like hmm the star forge

damn but just no one can figure this out anyway so I think we're to get that's very high level we're going to get into all of that in detail best slash worst side quests we've had yet

so oh my God I need to talk about the unhinged wife I need to talk about her oh my God she needs to go okay MK walked in on me as I got the choice

and she was like those are your options That's it. And I was like, I think this is it. The worst multiple choice questions I've ever received in my life. In my life, there is nothing. I, oh, boy, we need to talk about it. We'll get there.

We'll get that. Yeah. We will. First. We get to, we go back to your rival on Dan Tween, having fled, fled terrorists, and you're meeting with the Jedi Council where no drama at all. There's some discussion of like your Bastille has sort of set this, you know, planted the seed of, well, you're just too old to be a Jedi.

You know, this is you're just way too old to start your training. The Jedi Council are all like, absolutely, bring him in. He's great. We, this, this kid's got the stuff. And there follows the most hysterical montage in Star Wars history. I think genuinely, I'm not even, Star Wars doesn't even do montages. It's not really that kind of. series in this way. Maybe Clone Wars has done a montage. Like the training forces on Anderan

maybe. Watching these little character models attempt to look like they're in deep thought. Like there's a point where like you and Bastila walking around. So the entire area, because it's a small game, it's a 360 era. It's a 360 era game. No, it's an Xbox era game. It's an original Xbox game. Yeah. This game came out a year after attack of the clones, right? Like the prequels are coming out while this is, yes. That is. nuts. So everything's really tiny. So the montage shows you and Bastila walking across like the same 20 feet of Jedi Council chambers that exist and then doing things like cut to, uh, in my case, Dups and Bastala like hanging out in a library and like spinning lightsaber, uh, hiltz with their

mind and then like reading books together. And it's all like after this, after the sequence, which appears to be like orientation week really it's like this is like freshman orientation like your dorm counselors are hanging out with you and like arranging little activities at the end of that

you resume control and you meet the Jedi council and they're like well you're done congratulations you're Jedi now almost you just have one last thing to become a Paduan

can we talk about who the Jedi go ahead now at Natalie. I was just, I was surprised that there wasn't any in, like I didn't have any participation in the act of becoming a

Jedi. You learned the Jedi code? He tested you on that. The stuff that you do in the Grove is sort of also a test of that because there's a way, I don't, I guess we'll find out how we got through the Grove, but like you can follow the Jedi

code to get through that Grove conversation without any dice roles. So we'll talk, we'll talk about that later. Okay. I'm very curious how people got through the Grove. We'll get there. But you're right, Natalie, that like, you just think you would get some sort of introduction to the force, like, in terms of like, and this is how you will, you, like, use it. Right. We don't. Instead they ask, what color is your Jedi parachute? Yes. Yes. They don't do, like, reach out and feel this with your, the life force that connects all things. They don't do that stuff.

Yoda's there, but, uh, other, yeah, first of all, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. He's just a Yoda. He's just a Yoda. He's ancient Yoda. But he talks like Yoda, but normal. Yeah, he's Yoda-fied. And it's, it is like, I, I was so, I was like, why do you have to be here?

You know who else is here? Is acclaimed actor of screen and film, Ed Asner, from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Wait, really? Yes. The shithead one is he? The shithead one. The one who's like an asshole. The mean one.

Yeah, the white one who looks like Ed Asner. I forget what his name is. It's Vruke. Jenai Master Vruik. Lamar Vruke. Yeah. Uh-huh. who like, you know what, Lou motherfucking Grant, that's a real one.

Can you imagine being Ed Asner's agent in 2002 or whatever, 2001, whenever they recorded? That's probably 2002. And being like, all right, I got to go convince him to come to Star Wars video game. This is big, Ed. You could be a Jedi. Just like how Sam Jackson is in the movies now, you know? Real actors. Star Wars is big right now.

Yeah, you know. Maybe they'll make a movie of this. You never know? Get on the ground floor. Then they'll have to cast you. Yeah. They'll be like, you can't have Lamar Vruk without Ed Asner.

I mean, so that's the thing, right? There are four of these guys, right? It's like the historian guy. The Twilek, who, like, is your actual trainer, Jarre. The librarian is counselor Dorok. That's his name. And then Van Dar, who is Yoda, right? Van Dar is a Yoda species guy.

And generally speaking, it's like the chronicler Dirac will tell you history stuff. Vandar does Yoda vague posting. Jarre asks you to read your homework assignments. And Vruc goes, I don't think we should let you do this. I think you're a piece of shit. I think you should get out of here. He's so mean. Well, but sorry, Allie.

Yeah, you have to, you know, because I like that you can be straight up with him. be like, do we have a problem? And he raises a very good point, which is like, the Jedi are kind of fucked right now. We've been sending these kids out, and they've been betraying us. What are we, you're just, you're going to stay here for a week and then go on parole? Then we're going to give you a lightsaber? Like, come on. Yeah.

Well, and everyone is haunted by the fact that the last precocious students they had are the reason they're in this jam. Like, Jarre is like, wow, I thought. they were really good, like, knowledge-hungry students, I didn't realize how dangerous it all was. Like, I should have read between the lines and, like, seeing the direction they were headed. Right. We were talking here about Revenant and Malik, right? Yeah. And all this Jedi that followed them out. I mean, this seems like a problem. Like, like, many Jedi. Do you want to help the actual thing that we learned? Natalie, do you want to... This is the part that blew me It blew me away.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, go for it, Rob. It was unsanctioned. The entire war with the Mandalorians was unsanctioned. Yeah. The Jedi Council, so... Well, it goes back to the Republic. It goes before the Star Wars is here, maybe.

Meet the old, old Republic. Same as the old Republic. Fucked up beyond recognition. So, okay. So the Mandalorians are out there. And so Canderas gives you... Yeah, and God bless we got one with us to tell us how it really was. So you hang out with him.

I had him out this whole time. He was with me this whole guy. That's the goal. Amazing. Candor is never leaving the party. There's a man with a laser mini gun. Like, Ron Perlman can follow me around with a laser mini gun. Tell you stories.

Dickheaded things in the conversations that nobody acknowledges. He's like a living edition of Soldier of Fortune magazine. Except sometimes in the middle of a conversation, he'll say stuff like, oh, your daughter got kidnapped. I guess you're not man enough to protect her. And everybody else just goes like, where is she?

Can we, we'll go try to help her, ignore Canderas. So you talk to Canderas, and Canderas is like, people get it all wrong about the Mandalarians. We just love to chest our strength in combat against worthy opponents. And eventually we ran out of good opponents,

so we had to start playing away games. and so we started like going around the area and like trying to pick fights and eventually we were looking around like there's only one what would be the biggest bestest fight of them all and that's with the Republic so we got strong enough

and we were going to kick your guys' asses what the Republic do? What the Republic do? Fuck all because what you learn from the Jedi Council is the way the Mandalorian started it was they started picking off systems that were not affiliated with the Republic, which is, you know, this is, the Clone Wars TV

show hits on this all the time. Classic. Sorry, that's outside the board. Not our problem. Yep. So the Mandalorians do this and basically it's sort of an appeasement type situation. They're gobbling up on unaligned states who are outside the, the Republic's umbrella. And then they're big and strong enough.

They got enough resources that they're like, well, we can just start, we can just start nibbling at the Republic directly. Like, what are they going to do? If they were going to do anything, they would have, they would have moved against us. So the council explains to you that the Jedi had basically concluded this whole Mandalorian thing. And mind you, this is big. This is like the whole Mandalorian thing is like, it's like the Mongol hordes descending out of the east. And the Jedi are like, we should wait for the real threat to come along because this feels like a cat's paw situation.

I guess it's worth saying that they also talk about how, which we haven't really. read this in the comics yet, but the, they had just had a war against the Sith. They'd just beaten the Sith, you know, a generation or two before, you know, and so they were being punks about it because they were like, well, wait a second, we don't really want to get into another big war right now. And it turns out the Mandalorians aren't going to wait for you to be ready. So some of the Jedi, particularly Malik and Revan, are like, we have to do something. And the Jedi Council emphatically says, no.

And then Malik and Revan just leave. They just do it. And take a bunch of Jedi with them and the Republic Army and go fight the Mandalorians. And so, and then they win, right? Like this is the other part of it is basically they sort of sit there and say, well, if the Jedi aren't going to do anything, we're going to do it ourselves, which is kind of interesting.

They're still good. These are still like, this is like Arthur and Lancelot type stuff. They are still on the side of the angels. But even at their height, there's this like Miltonian pride in their behavior where like the first act they take is rebellion against the Jedi order on the side of righteousness. Right. And so in some ways, like when did the Jedi really defect? Like why did they keep losing a Jedi? It was starting from the moment the Jedi Council couldn't stop.

a shitload of Jedi and the entire Republic Army and Navy from heading out to follow these two kids in the battle. Yeah. And the kids win. It's fascinating because, like, they, they do, like, what Anakin fan is, like, is dying to do. And they just did do it. Like, they just left and went and acted in defense of all of these, like, smaller, you know, outside of the republic. That's what being involved up for you.

Just all focus. They didn't take their eye off the ball the way Anna can do. They were just like, let's dedicate ourselves to our craft. And we did so much like Revin is a badass stuff here that he was so smart and he was so go with a lightsaber and he just had it. You know what I mean? They talk about Revan like, you know, like he just had it. Revin or they just had it.

We don't, as we don't know Revin's gender. Revan just had it, you know? Yeah. Oh, that's another thing I noticed. Yeah. It started Donovan. I was like, have they said? I've been assuming that they were like brothers in arms.

Right. But are they brothers in arms? They have not said. I was like, have they given a gender? We know Malik. Right. We know Malik. And, you know.

Yeah, who knows? The thing that is wild to me is the like, all of these Jedi masters clearly had a teacher's, like, Revin was the teacher's pet for years. Yeah, yeah. Like, straight A's. all the extracurriculars, interest in deep lore. There's some of like the Duku Jedi Lost stuff here where it's like, we haven't always wanted to know more about the archives. I always wanted to learn more about stuff that like we didn't know that it was like good to learn.

To the degree that now they have locked down the Dantuan Jedi archives. Like you're not allowed to go look at them. And they've closed this ruin that is like three rooms deep. I don't, they should just go over there and look at it. It's not that far. Well, there's evil in there. There's so much evil. They're just so much evil.

Didn't you see the fog? I did. Anyway, the thing that ends the story is they go wu-Madolian ass, and then they disappear into the, like, beyond the outer rim, or I guess not beyond the outer rim, but into unexplored space, right? I have the picture of the Star Wars galaxy map in my head, and they're actually going to be- Just like General Kerensky. Yes, exactly.

Who's General Kerensky? From Battletech. It's battle tech, which, by the way, fucking heartbroken over the layoffs at Hairbrain schemes Who made layers to this Like this one

Like what a great tactics studio That just like They hit the top of their game With like with battle tech They have a complete lock On knowing how to adapt Fossa stuff And getting it What was cool and compelling about it

30 years later They should uh I hope that they get to hire I hope that they get some money They hire back up And they should do our Clone Wars tactics game Yes Disney

fucking give it to them. They would crush it. Sometimes, I think Greg Furch's studio might be. I was doing that. That makes sense. Oh, there is a Star Wars Tactics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's, yeah. That's where I'd heard that. Anyway, they disappear. And when they come back as evil, a detail that I love is they have the old Republic ships that they brought with them.

Because, like, the Republic soldiers just stayed with them that whole time. Like, Clark was with them, right? During this, presumably. this is so there's okay there's parts of this that I'm like does this totally dovetail with the things carth told us or they like are these continuity errors basically because carth makes it sound like we went out we fought we fought the we fought the we fought the mandoloreans and then on v. e day they launched a sneak attack basically um they they did space pro harbor against the republic and we all like turned around carth never mentions anything like and we d we delved deep

into the void. No. So maybe Carth didn't get, maybe Carth stayed behind and only the two of them went with like a smaller group of... Well, maybe they just didn't tell Carth. They just left Carth behind.

Yeah. The exact line from Darok is instead of returning after the war, and the ships under Rebans Command went deep into unexplored space. They claimed to be searching for the last remnants of the Mandalorian fleet. All contact was lost.

For many months, it was assumed some great disaster, had befallen the entire fleet. Everyone thought they were dead. And then three years ago, they came back and they had not just their old ships but a bunch of new ships of designs we've alien design we've never seen love that it's really good love that for them that sounds cool love that for them and then they started fucking everybody up so not as cool don't do that and then for

two years yeah still kind of cool yeah still kind of cool for two years the Sith we're winning a lot and then Bastila is like I know battle meditation I'm gonna figure it out and then leads the strike team, fucks up Malik and Ravon, Malik escapes. Okay, hang on, quick thing. Yeah. The also reveal Bastel is not full-fledged Jedi. Yeah, like she's the best Padawan we got. What are we doing?

Look at that. A Padawan who can do the battle meditation. None of us can do it. What is happening here, guys? It's fucking wild. It's wild. How old is Basel is supposed to be? Great question.

Great question. I have no idea. I feel like there's like a slight bastella and the player character are like, you know, two, one soul split and hat, like separated. Oh, a forced diad? Excuse me? A forced diad from Rise of Skywalker? Oh, fuck. Oh, no.

I left that behind in my brain. Uh-huh. You know, yeah, when two force sensitive beings can connect through the force, you know, they're tuned completely. I mean, that's really what it feels like they're setting up here. It really is. They're like, you guys are bonded in a way we don't understand. And like, wherever you go, you must go together because something might happen if you're together. And you're buying.

Yeah, I'm going to tell you the genetic council, basically. the Jedi console basically that circle of friends who keep like deciding who should be like you guys would be such a good couple you should just do it like you've got such crazy chemistry

yeah I don't know if for those of you who are playing as women characters are getting I don't remember how this stuff is written I played this game with both men and women characters but the stuff with with when you're a male character she is like falling

all over herself constantly stumbling over how much she likes you and like like it's a huge Yeah it's huge Not that I like you or anything It's huge like Sundaree like style Wait give like an example like a quote

I'll find one give me a second I feel like with women she's like She is like hesitant To admit like that she needs You but she's also like Not going to But she recognizes that something strange is going on And she's like, yeah, we're bonded.

Here we go. So when you get to Dantuin, you can be like, it looks like something's bothering you. This is after the Jedi trials, after you've investigated, you've been ordered to investigate the ruins, but you haven't done it yet. She's like, nothing's bothering me. I've been thinking about what the Jedi Council said about the two of us. There's a bond between us. I don't just spot. This is the same for both of us, right?

I can feel the bond, blah, blah, blah. Male characters have the chance to say, I think you're interested in more than just the bond between us. And if you do, she goes, please, I'm a Jedi. Such feelings, such attractions are, well, they're beneath me, quite frankly. I admit, I find you intriguing. I mean, I find your command of the force intriguing. But my interest in you is purely academic. Surely you can understand why.

Oh, and then later, and then later, you can be, she says, like, I know very little about you. I'd like to ask you some questions given our relationship. And you could be like, our relationship. Is this some kind of clumsy come on? And she goes, I was referring to the bond we share, the one the Jedi Council spoke of. I was actually interested, if I was actually interested in you, rest assured I could come with a better approach than this. And you're like, whoa, I guess I touched a nerve. She goes, touched the nerve, no, getting on my nerves most definitely.

I suppose this is what you men consider being witty. Now, are you going to answer my questions, or do you rather just keep annoying me? And it's just this type of thing. Awesome. I'm curious because they, so I did a, so I answered one question seriously. And then I was teased her with the next one where I was like, yeah, I'm from Kashik. I'm a wookie, can't you tell? Oh, right, right.

And she has, yeah, her answer is, again, very like, she stumbles over. Do you have that in front of you? I do. I do. Wait, really? Because she completely shut me down. That was the end of that conversation for me. Yeah, if you say, it doesn't matter what you say there, right?

So the one that, that if you, what I forget what the exact question is, but it's the one you can say, right, and you could say, I'm from here, or I'm from here, or I'm a hut pretending to be a human or I'm from Kashik, I'm a wookie, etc. She says, I see you intend to be childish about this. I guess I won't get anywhere continuing our discussion right now, will I? I suppose I just have to speak to you again later. And then for women, she adds, hopefully you'll be a little more mature. And for men, she says, hopefully you'll behave less like a little boy and more like a, like a man. There's an ellipsist dot, dot, dot, and an exclamation point. That is such a weird to find. You fucking man. That's so weird.

honest with her. Oh, no. Well, the first time I was like, let me not fuck with her. But then the wookie thing, I was like, let me just see what happens. She was like, okay, we're done. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then later, like, when you get the first star map, you can talk to her.

And both people can say, well, your face is all scrunched up like a kinrath pop, which is kind of funny. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got that. Yeah, the vibe that I seem to get from her is more like, like, I am responsible for you. so I'm going to be really like forward about like you have to take care of yourself, you have to, you know, mind your dots and your force and you're whatever. Don't embarrass me. But that's also because I've been talking some shit in front of her. Well, this is the worst one because this is where she goes, I'm a Jedi. You could also say you keep staring at me, see anything you like if you're a man. And she says, I'm a Jedi, remember? I have too much mental discipline to reveal what goes on inside my mind with such obvious physical clues. My thoughts remain hidden, including whatever my feelings are for you. I mean, when I feel about you. I mean, whatever I think about you. And then you could say, you're so cute when you're embarrassed or you have feelings for me.

And she says, I, that is you, why must you be so impossibly infuriating? You know very well what I'm really talking about. I'm referring to the bond between us. It's extremely, you know, assigned wife. It feels a little early for that. Jedi counsel assigned wife, Bathy. It feels a little early. It does feel unearned.

Mm-hmm. Right. That's the second conversation that you can have with. her? That's basically your like, I left Antoine conversation. You finish the star map. You get the end of the Dantuin. And like, I want to say something. She sucks. Like, consistently, I feel like I was out of my mind when I played this game the first time. But I was like, oh, yeah, I love Basil and I hate Carth Onassis. And, like, Carth is like a stick in the mud a lot. But I've never felt more that Carth is right than at the beginning of this planet where he's like,

the Jedi seem like they suck, actually. They don't let us walk around. They're like, For a second, like, what are we doing here? What do we, and, you know, he's no candorous, but I've, I don't know, Basel is constantly so demeaning to everybody. There's a Jedi like more that does the thing I think they're going for with Basila, but it's carried off better. There's a Jedi you meet in the courtyard. Yes.

And she's like kind of a dick. She's such an asshole. And if you call her on it, though, she's immediately like, you know, you're right. Actually, I was an asshole. And they've talked to me About the way I'm an asshole And I'm really I get way too proud of being a Jedi And clearly I've got a ways to go on that

Immediately like All right, I'll give you two first rounds For that Jedi plus I'll throw in Bastila And I just give me Give me her Yeah, I'd love to trade I'd love to bring her around I mean you get the sense that like

Bastila was like a wonderkind. Yes. And was in a similar way to Revin probably was like top of her class. You know, it's probably going through class while Revin was doing all this shit, right? Yeah. Well, but then there's also the, the Jedi are like the Jedi would lose this war immediately. Right. If Bastila doesn't show this proclosure, nobody else seems to.

have, it appears to be a lost Jedi art, battle meditation. Yeah, I want to be clear on this point. Remind everyone that Bastila was during some part of the production of this game supposed to be related to Nomi Sunrider, who is, or to the, whatever Sunrider, we, oh, we even read those yet officially, right? I read them. You read them, really. So the next set of the comics that we're going to read introduces a new set of core

characters, including someone who will be the basis for the mother of the character who Bastille was supposed to be, and is another, like, superpowered force, you know, comes to the force late, has an intrinsic deep, you know, understanding of the force in this other way, you know, my OC do not steal type vibes. It's enjoyable. I like these comics that we're going to read next for the Patreon quite a bit. But it, it, it, it, It is someone who would have been set up to have been a sort of wonderkind, but also weirdly not as the way, we'll read it and we'll talk about it more there. I think it's the best thing to do instead of me just trying to like gesture at it. So look forward to that.

But yes, that is the vibe. Yeah. So I, she just, she, there's a sense of like entitlement that all, and just like, and just like, and, I don't know, like. like self-aggrandizing that the Jedi on Dantuin, like most of them have when you talk to them. There's like, there's such a like us versus them and like they separate them. They're like, oh yeah, we're here to take care of the people of Dantuin, but the Mandalorian Raiders, they're not our, it's not an issue we need to, we need to. And the domestic, the domestic family feud, why don't you go check that out? Rando, newbie, like, Rando Padwan.

Like, it's like, what the fuck are y'all doing here? What have you been, what is, what is action, what is the practical day-to-day life of a Jedi on Dantween? Well, they're good. Because the everything clear about is they're basically hiding on Dantuan. Yes. Like, they're scared to go home because. because Malik knows where they live. Yeah.

And so they set up to a little Jedi council chambers on Dantuin. Well, they're not even the real Jedi council. No. No. They're like the fucking provost. King, isn't there like an exchange where you're like, wait, isn't the Jedi they're like, yeah, we're the Jedi Council. And you're like, isn't the Jedi Council?

So soon as you on Khorisat? And they're like, oh yeah, that's the other Jedi Council. Like the real Jedi Council, but we're here. And we're kind of a group of people that you can call it, like, a group of people is basically a council. Exactly. We arrange these folding chairs in big circle, just like the real Jedi Council. They have to run that school that doesn't have any students. Who's there going to school?

That's exactly true. Where are the other students at? They won Nemoideon, or one Rodeon who's hiding out with them. They, like, who's the one guy that's, like, ah, I was scared. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy who's the, like, random roadian outside in the courtyard. Yeah, yeah. And there's a dude who just wants to play Pazok.

I know. There is a Pazok guy who hangs there. And they got the, you know what? They do have one real one who runs the store out front in the docking bay. The dude who, cradis, Crattis Yarkall, the proprietor of. Black Market Crystal. Shit. Well, wait.

No, not that one. The one who hates the Zerker Corp, who's in the little side zone. He's a Jedi? No, but I'm just, they just have, he's a real one and he hangs out nearby. I'm going to give him the dove on that. You know, take what you can get. It's not there because of the Jedi. He's there because of the port.

Yeah, but the port is kind of there because of the Jedi, because it's all a Jedi, you know. It's kind of feels like the Jedi moved into the space pool. It kind of feels, they disembarked at the Port Authority bus terminal. And they were like, do you have a business? Exactly. It's harsh now. Shut up. You're just set up. It's so funny. But that guy rules. That guy, like, is nonstop talking about, like, how the Zerker

Corporation, like, it's extremely early 2000s anti-Big Box store stuff. Yeah. The Zer Corporation comes to town and shuts down all the mom and pop shops, which is extremely funny because he's also the general store on Dantuin, the planet. It's him. That's it. I don't know, man. You seem like you're running the kind of monopoly of a sort here, too.

But, yeah, and but he explains, like, that company is driving at prices of food and water and has a special deal with the Sith, where the Sith will conquer a planet and the Zirker Corp gets the first bid on contracts and gets to go in and set up shop behind the conquering military. And that's a racket, you know? I love her, yeah, I love a capitalistic racket. Yeah. It consists of your line in Star Wars, the inability of the state to have enough power to regulate commerce. Yep. So they're like you're basically a Jedi now, but first, what kind of Jedi are you going to be? It's a very spiritual process.

You have to really look deep within yourself and read three short Wikipedia entries on flavors of Jedi. And take a test. And take a personality test. I was stressing during the personality test that I was accidentally going to be. like expose myself as not a consular and like ended up. Oh, just like you did on the Halcyon? Okay. Holy shit.

God damn. No, if anything. Deep wounds. Deep wounds. I guess maybe that would be not a consular. Be the early part would be the guardian part and like doing pretty good at both would be the Sentinel part, right? You have to be a good consular to be

to do it without the, with just the force. So I just kept answering the lateral answer where it was like, you You want to do something. Like, you see somebody, somebody is messing a family. Like, they're, they're, a bunch of raiders are, or menacing a family. Yeah. What are you going to do?

You fight the Raiders. Yeah. Uh, try to rescue the family. No. Well, I would simply try to figure out why the Raiders are menacing the family and convince them not to do that. Yeah. And they're like, hmm, interesting.

So what, what did, yeah, so we get like a bunch of those questions. Like, oh, there's a door. What do you, how do you get through the, how do you get through the locked door and the answers are smash the door down, try to pick the lock, or knock. Yeah. Uh-huh. So did you end up consular? Well, I'll have you know that I got consular.

Okay. And I, and they were like, wow, we've never actually, in the history of Cotor, the game, met someone who exemplified the consular ideals more than Tana Khan. Wow. And definitely more than this person, Dupps, who came by the other day. Wow, they said that. It was weird. Like, I was like, is this just for me? I don't know.

So, yeah. I'm a Jedi consular. Which is the, like, it's like the more force-oriented, yeah, more wizard-y one. I don't think they explained this well. I read the three entries, and they're like, all right, there's two flavor of fighting Jedi, and then there's a chatty Jedi. But the two fighting Jedi are so different from each other, but kind of not. What did you end up with, Rob?

What is it up? Oh, I was consular. Okay, okay, okay. I was so worried for a second that you were not going to be consular because that's what you built towards. So, Allie? Well, I did the thing because I was a soldier, so I also picked consular because I was like, I have all of these combat skills from being a soldier. Right. I want these, like, personality persuasion things now.

A Jedi with a gun. That's a build. You can be Jedi with a gun in this game. There is a pretty popular fan build of I never pick up a lightsaber. So I don't think it's as good, frankly But, you know So yeah, you went You all three consulars then

And you're a Sentinel, right? I'm a Sentinel, which is like the worst one Like historically The meta is go The meta is to avoid both classes I've done Right? Scout is mid, Sentinel is mid Guardian to To

What's the Sorry, soldier to guardian Or scoundrel to consular Are the popular build because it's just like min-maxed all the way. There's no, there's no like trying to make up for your mixed, you know, my low stuff, ring it up. People who play this game like that really doubled down on everything. And the Jedi differences are like, they're there, they're meaningful.

Mostly it's how often you get new powers, how much force juice you get. Consulers get the most force juice every level that like your manapool goes up the most. how many feats you continue to get. Guardians get the most feats. There's like every other level to get a new feat. And then there's like a special thing that's unique for every class. So the three of y'all are consulars, right? It's probably worth knowing what that special thing is.

Does everybody remember what it is on top their head? No, was it that nobody can reject or like people have a harder time rejecting our force? Correct. Your force power is hit hard. Your first powers, they don't hit harder, but yes, it's exactly what you said, which is that they, uh, it's harder to save against your force powers, which means you should lean on those, uh, especially if you have decent wisdom and charisma scores. Um, the, the, uh, you know, the way that this game works, the way that D&D works is most of your spells are, hey, someone has to roll against a number that's determined based on your level plus like a base of 10 plus like an added, bonus, and your added bonus is just like, it goes. It's good. It's really good. The one that Jedi Guardians get that none of us have is you get to leap at people and beat the shit out of people with your lightsaber, basically. You just, it's force jump, and you can jump like

10 meters away and do a sneak attack with it and do a bunch of damage. That's pretty good. Is that something we can unlock later on, though? Oh, oh, I didn't realize. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like, that's the unique thing for each one. So yeah, like, for y'all, by the time, you to like level six of Jedi consular, most of your combat and like control type abilities should be hitting, which is why I think Dup's is going to be okay, Rob. I think you're going to get these levels under you and you're going to become a fucking Yoda force master. I think so too. But the first thing I did, like you pick any force powers you want. This is key. They haven't let you out of the compound yet. They haven't. You don't

Until you've undertaken your Jedi quest. And you're thinking, like, yeah, I want to face like a dark metaphor for the, the temptations that will await me. That's not the kind of test you're getting. This is not. This game is too literally getting it. If I had known, you're going to go fight a bunch of stuff outside the walls. I would have done things differently. But instead, I was like, well, Dup's is silver-tonged.

Yeah, you're going to take Force Persuade. Yeah. Yeah. That's right, though, for Dups. You're playing Dups. There is literally nobody you can Force Persuade on Dan Tween. Is that true? Yeah, I think so.

I chose the one, yeah, I got like a mind, a tune or something. Yeah. That the description was like, you get more dialogue options and I did not see. Effect mind. Oh, did anybody lie to the Jedi console? Do you try to? Only once. I succeeded.

Did you succeed? I, I, okay, so that you have. Rob has the most devilish look on. Oh, or Rob is frozen. Rob froze. Someone screenshot that look on Rob. Please. I was like, Rob,

Rob out here telling lies, yes, papa. Rob is grinching right now. Natalie just posted so I can look at it again. Rob,

you disappeared. But we did ask, did anyone lie? And this is the face you froze on. Yeah, extremely, no papa. Oh, my lord. Internet flicker.

No worries, welcome back. That was incredible timing. I need to see this picture. It's in the chat. Please take a look in the chat. It's so funny. Awesome, goes, anyone telling any lies? There was you who said it.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes. And then. So I actually didn't have the nerve. July of the Jedi Council. Same. What happens when you do? Okay, so you get a few different

ones in the options. This is when you're walking into them and you first learned that you would Bistilla had a shared vision. And I walked into that room and I said, I don't know about any vision. And the old guy was like, she's talking shit. We can't like

she isn't even audits at us. We can't train her. But the conversation goes forward. And I was like, cool, yeah, I'll do my best. Yeah, to train me in the force or whatever. And then the last option you get is you can lie and be like, I submit my will to the council. That might be the one that I did. And that was the one that I succeeded.

Yes, yes. Because I was like, I'm not going to submit my will to the council. You know, like there are times when I would be, you know, there are things that I agree with them. You know, it sucks at the Sith or did. What, Sith de Taurus is bad. If we can stop with the Sith of Tataris, we should stop with the Sith of Tataris. Agreed. But I'm not going to submit.

There's stuff in here that just. like, you know, so bootlicky to the Jedi Council. I don't know these people and they were rude to me. And they basically put me on house arrest. I landed here and then we couldn't, you can't leave. You're not allowed to leave until you talk to them. Fuck off. Let me leave, you know.

This is what I didn't like about the whole intro like, like orientation sequence was like you were just expected to have developed a relationship with the Jedi Council over the course of and with the force and everything over the course of this montage and then you get out of it and it's like oh time to catch up on all the shit that you were supposed to have learned and developed and felt through the through the montage it's just so

yeah there's like a switch you hit the switch your July force powers are on now you're a force person you're supposed to care about it suddenly even if the idea of the character you had in your head was this like other thing Right. There's a strong dissonance. I kind of wish I would have lied because I feel like I'm getting gated basically into just being like, I fucking love the Jedi and I want to be one. You just got to hit that lie button. You just got to hit that lie button as much as you want to. Or just start asking people for money when they ask you to do things. I have been doing that. I have been doing that and I have been getting dark side points. I have.

Isn't that so Star Wars? You ask to be paid. You just ask to be paid a fair wage. I just want to be paid for my time. And it's like, oh, who does that? Uh-huh. You learn the force code or the Jedi code. You do that, like, there's no passion.

There's the force. There's peace, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I failed it. I had to go back. Damn. The one that I, I, well, I think I said,

uh, there, I think it was the one about peace. I, like, I miss a, I think, God, I can't. remember I think I saved a picture of it I'll check um but it was like you had to do that you had to oh it was there's no passion there is serenity and you probably said there's peace yeah that's that probably is it yeah yeah um there's that you have to also uh uh don't they test you on on the reverend history as well oh i think so do they i don't remember that Maybe they do. Like, what's the lesson I was supposed to learn here?

Yeah. Something like that, right? I think they ask something like, yeah. That makes sense. But then they say, all right, get out there and kill 1,000 cath hounds. Yeah. So. Go hone your fucking lightsaber on one billion calfhounds.

The fact that they respond as every fucking time you leave. Uh-huh. Every fucking time. So, yeah, for people who don't know, Dantuin or the math. in this game continue to be what they were before. Before, it may have felt like, oh, I'm going down an elevator or I'm going into an interior, so that's why there's a map load. But here, there's effectively the landing place that you start, then an area called the courtyard

that is its own, like, you leave the Jedi temple area, and there's kind of like a paved area where a bunch of people are milling about, like complaining about the Jedi, and being just kind of like, hey, my daughter is missing, or there's too many Mandalorians around, or the droid that I'm coercing has run away from me. Help me. And then that's like a little outside area. And then there are three southern outside areas from there. There's like one area to the south, another area to the south, and a third area to the south. I hate how that is. And those are all load screens. Yeah. And it's laid out in a very annoying way. Like it's kind of like, imagine an M basically, like a lowercase M. And each of the lower parts of the M are map change

locations. And then imagine a Roman numeral three. And it's similar or like a, I don't know, like an H or something. Because you can still go horizontal on each of those side maps. You can still go east to west. But there's kind of like three points where you can drop down one like one southern layer to the next map. And it's not, it's like open space, a house maybe, a side quest, and then like cath hath hounds and Mandalorian. There's like nothing on the ground. It truly is so much animal slaughter. It's so barren and just filled with dogs. So, I do like, something that hit me visually was you come out of the Jedi Temple and

you can like, you're in that courtyard area. And to the right, there was just like this terrible JPEG skybox of like the rolling hills of Dantuin. And there's, if you stay and just watch it for a little while, like some birds fly by. And it's extremely Xbox One era. It's not it's not you know graphically halting but it was really pretty in its own way that I thought was like you know what like this era kind of

has its they can tell they can make places that are still appealing I'm playing on Xbox the lighting's weirdly good oh I believe it you're playing on new Xbox you're playing on yeah I heard that they uprest stuff and like there's a lighting pass or something that has to be like the uprise is very clear the lighting looks like it's things are just differently lit

That makes sense. Back in the day. So, Dups, the situation I had was that, so this is all going to be, basically this is the Barons

in, this is like, you're going to find so much shit here. And I chose the, I'm going to talk my way of this. And unfortunately,

there's no like Dr. Doolittle option, like talk to the animals and convince them not to fuck with you. And in fact, these things just walking, grazing,

bags of XP that you will desperately need to, sort your shit out. But I, a fool, was like, I'll bet. Because you meet, okay, so hang on, this is what led me straight. You meet this cool dude, Nemo, who I think he's actually kind of what is my idea of like the, the itinerant Jedi, who is like, okay, so they want you to clean up the grove. Don't have too direct to, like, don't get too set on how you're going to clean up the grove. Like, there might be more to this than.

you think like always look for the truth of a situation rather than what seems like the obvious hell yeah Nemo I'm they should let that guy be on the council they he's got some fucking ideas he's got quagon vibes though he doesn't he has five on vibes he had my own thing

I'm here under protest yeah they've got a mission for me fine but I'm just out there vibing commuting with the commuting with the force and with the world out there and like there's this point where you're like I'm on a mission from the council. No, you can ask him,

aren't you, like, why aren't you on the council? Yeah. And he's like, what's it to you? Why, why does who is on the council matter to you?

Like, you're too focused on hierarchy. Don't worry about that. Don't think about like, but he's specifically, he goes like, it's understandable, but regrettable also.

Who? You know? He fucking reads, he made me feel like, lazy him out. Yeah. All right. I'll see you in your office.

Or is professor? Well, you know, I'll come through. You spit in game. So I'm like, yeah, that's right. No, like, Nemo, like, don't be, don't accept the obvious solution. Like, just kind of look at like the, I'll bet they want me to stealth past the antelope and not just slaughter all these animals. Because that's not very Jedi. I see what you guys.

Star Wars. Star Wars just kill those animals. Kill those animals. Just kill them. Unless you have mind control them, in which case, mind control those animals, was one or the other. Probably mine control them to killing more enemies or each other. Yeah. I start stealthing around Dantuin, slipping past the facts of animals, but your party can't do that.

So it's like, I want to leave the section of Dantuin. You must gather your party before venturing forth. Yeah. So then I'm like, all right, very well. Truly, I played those Walters Gate games back in the day where that phrase is associated, you must gather your party. It happens here way more to me, for whatever reason. someone will get stuck on an angle or on a backpack and I'll have to run back to get them, far away, or just wait.

I'll get up and get a drink. I'll be like, I guess, I guess candorous is on his way. Yeah, I ran into a weird glitch, actually. I was candorous for some reason. It's always candorous for me too. No, I was like embodying candorice. Yeah, and I was with Bastilla and me, obviously. And I like ran way forward.

And then I had to run back to them, but they were frozen in place. And they didn't start moving again until they were, like, in my draw view to, like, make animation. Interesting. So, like, maybe there's, like. Huh. I just started flicking whoever was missing and just start running toward where I knew I was. Yeah. Oh, smart.

Yeah. So it's only very well. I will kill the animals. Now, here's the problem. Dup's wasn't good at shooting. Wasn't good at stabbing things. Dupes was good at one thing, which was throwing grenades. Oh.

I had used all my grenades to get off Taurus, basically. I was just like, grenades everywhere. Yeah. So I don't have grenades. So now I'm like, I got to fight these animals. And I'm watching Dopp's just miss, miss, miss, four hit points taken off, miss. That's a long time. So it's Carth and candor's because Bastille doesn't come with you for this first stage.

Yeah, right. So I got my two gunners there, just like laying down. DPS and every fight like Dups is just going down just done and it's like I'm having the agro kite with candorous because he can soak damage like like crazy this sounds this sounds miserable well yeah can I tell you the thing about Canderas that like it might be too late for y'all and it's fine because I've never done this with Canderas because it's always felt like bullshit candorous is the only person you get who has heavy weapons when you start with him he has that big fucking mini gun that you talked about

The secret about Canderus is he might be the best melee fighter in the game. Yeah, okay. I think I ran into this accidentally because I, there's that big, there's the Mandalorian guy you fight with the two swords, right? And it was not going all for me. It's what I'll say. Okay. When I said I finished Dantuan, I might have met that like,

you still got some of the Dancer. I shall return. Yeah. Uh-huh. And you will. And deal with the rest of this man. DeLorean problem. Yeah.

They're looking for a worthy opponent and you will become that one day. Wow. But yeah, so it was, I tried with Zalzabar, or I keep saying that wrong. I think it's Zalbar. Zalbar. But you wanted to be Zanzibar, so bad. You wanted to be Zanzibar. So bad.

Ham and Kanderas were the people who were bringing around when I just wanted to get through a fight. Yeah. But then I was like, let me see. Meaty men slapping meat. Right. But I had Bastilla at the second half because I thought that the game forced me to have her in her party, even though that wasn't happening. But when you leave the council the second time, it's like you have to bring her with you. Yeah, you do have to bring her with you the second time, right?

Yeah. So it was, it was us and Candorous. And I was like, let me just give Candace a sword and see what happens. And like how quickly that guy went down after I got killed by him like four times. It's like, we just went up to him and beat him to death. Yeah. So the mechanical thing here that is just like so deeply fucked is that Candorous's starting stats actually align him better for melee combat. He does have the feat that lets him have the like, you know, use those heavy weapons or whatever.

But his like, his actual stat like build has him with like the higher strength already to begin with. remembering, right? And that's the, that's the melee fight stat. Yeah, he starts with 14 in strength, which means that I like, this game doesn't explain this to you, right? But enemies have an armor value, an armor class. You have to hit that armor class to hit them. That armor class tends to be somewhere around 14 to 20, right, or 12 to 20, depending on what type of guy they are. The way that this game works is you roll a D20 behind the scenes. You can go look at this in the pause menu, and then you add your bonuses to it. Some of those bonuses come from feats. If it's a skill-based thing, not a combat thing, you're adding your skill. And then you're also

adding whatever your stat bonuses, which is one, two, three, four, five, etc. Based on if you have 12, 14, 16, 18 in a stat. Odd number stats don't give you shit, except they give you one step closer to getting to an even number stat. So like, if you're, if you have a 14 and something and if you have a 15 and something and a 16 and something, or rather if you have 15 and something and a 14 and something, those both give you the same stat bonus. It's not until you get to an even number that fucking means anything to you, except again, if you have a piece of gear that will raise something from 15 to 16, that's huge. That's a huge impact on your game. In general, you want to be chasing those even numbers to get those rolls higher. And Candra starts with better

melee and then he has fucking Wolverine's genetics. He can self-heal himself. He's constantly healing himself. So he's just built to go in and get hit, you know? Having him stay in the back with a big gun doesn't line up with that. So if you've put a couple of feats into him that push him in that direction, it's fine. You know, and you can, I've never played him as a melee character before. But he's really good as like a front line. I sank everything into his tank stuff. So your toughness. Then I think you should try this, Rob. You can make that pivot.

Two weapon fighting is really good for everybody because it's just more attacks per round. We can talk off mic about like good build, what that means because I don't want to drag this down. We should do a build, build post, build posting. It was going so badly. Because, yeah. Run it into some problems. I started to get really concerned about like I was on Dantween for something. Like, it was a huge.

huge period of time that I'm grinding through the Antoine like I couldn't I had to keep going back to the John of Temple like do the fast travel to heal I like I went broke on med kits you know Zalbar will make you grenades yeah oh but I

I think there's a limit to how many you can get yeah everybody on the ship will make you a certain thing I know is it on cool down though like eventually you get like you get like two or three at a time and then... I got a bunch. Did you get a bunch?

Maybe there's a minimum you can get up to. I think it depends how many you have in your inventory. That makes sense. Oh, maybe. That would make sense.

So Zalbar will make you grenades. The droid will make you... Wow, you could get so many. And the... You get up to 11. You get up to 11.

You'll make you adrenal stems. Yeah. Uh-huh. And then, what's her name, will make you... I forget what she makes.

Mission spikes, security spikes. Because there's computer spikes and security spikes. Right. Oh, right. Right, right. That's what I was saying up. So, yeah, I think the first time I talked to Zalbar, I just fucking kept going. He just gave me... I think he must have given me like 10. 10 needs. Really? Okay,

because when I... It was funny, because when I unlocked it, it was through Candor's first. Because he's the first person you see when you come in. And the first thing you can do is ask him for steroids. And I was like, okay, man. Thanks. And then when I went back to him, like, an hour or two later maybe, and was like, hey, can I get another one of those? He was like, you should watch your story.

Slow down. I don't know what you. Good fighters know when to not use this. And I was like, okay, man. Damn. All right. I've looked this up and it says, you can get, it's very funny. you can get 11 from any of them right away

but only if you have zero so what you can do is get let's say you have five you can go into one of those containers on the ship and drop off those five then go get the 11 but that's it from them they're not it's not then you go put them away and get 11 more every time you get a star map

it unlocks the ability to ask for another set so you can start at 11 and you can go up to 30 then you can go up to etc each time you get a star map, you get another 20, basically, after that. So, by the end of the game, you're getting 110 things from each of these people. And you have to just, like, the, click through 110 times? Well, you, again, it's not, it's totally.

You mean 110 accumulative? Okay. Totally accumulative. So, like, the first, the 11 that I didn't pick up from everybody before leaving to Antoine are now gone. No, they're not gone. You can still get those. Oh, okay.

It's just they're part of the 30. Do you know what I mean? it's like the cap goes up, but you can only get as many as you, you can only get up to 11 at a time, I believe. I need to start flipping this shit, because I have no fucking money. That's the other thing. Yeah, flip it. Get paid.

And now we also flip stuff at Yavin. Yavin, if you have access to it, which I think is, I think all of us should have access to it now. It wasn't on the original Xbox or if it was, it was, it was, it was, it was an early DLC for this game. Maybe it was a PC only thing original. there's a place called Yavin Station and that place lets you

the guy who's there will it's like basically just a space shop it's just like Mass Effect had this too there was DLC and Mass Effect one that was just like a place you could go to buy and sell stuff that was good and in Cotor you can go there and sell stuff for my understanding

is 2.6 times more than anywhere else in the galaxy right now that we have access to so that's really good so we should have it out of business And also there's some wild shit That the guy on that station sells

So people should not sleep on Yavin Okay I'm headed to Yavin Yep So anyway I will say before I even Before you get actually out Into Dantuin though

Yeah you meet a few characters There's a little encounter There's a few encounters There are a few encounters The big one I had was mission Uh huh Did you not bring mission out Space Hussy

Natalie looking confused Wow Before we play next time Everybody should go into the ship And leave with every character And walk around a little bit And trigger any conversations you might have You gotta flip the party around

Has yeah Rob what happened When you left the ship with mission So So you're hanging out And you hear a voice Mission? Is that you? You turn around. And it turns out there is a little bit of it. There's space hussy vibes. Not going to lie. Here comes a busty twilight who's like, I haven't seen you in ages, kid. How are you doing? And Mission is so mean to this lady who has the like, I was dating your brother and I was trying to be nice to you and you like always. way he's been kind of mean to me and I don't know why but I'm going to keep trying but I'm an adult and you're a kid yeah uh-huh and so the thing that the story she tells

now mission is like well what did you do to my brother but I'll bet you you you you took him for everything hand you took all his money and you left him uh-huh and she was like mission I like there's a point where like I do love this this interaction there's a point where she finally just breaks is like mission I understand you're hurting and like I no like your kid you need to understand like your brother is not who you think he is effectively she says one i didn't leave you on on taris i said we should bring you and i wanted to buy a ticket so you could come with us and it was mission's brother who says no we'll leave her and we'll come back They go, how's mission respond to that?

Does Mission believe that? No. Yeah. A bit, no, but no. The cracks begin the show. Right. Yes. Like, she says that's bullshit, but you can also detect the just palpable fear.

Yeah. In her. Then, uh, she explained. I'm shook right now. I, yeah, they went off to seek Griff's fortune. And Griff, was basically having, like, taking his girlfriend's money so that, like, he could try to stand up his business and go, like,

prospecting for the Zirka Corporation. And he left her high and dry, like, took all the money and ran. Yeah. Where'd he run to? I need to find this motherfucker. He ran a tattooing. He ran a tattooing. We're going there.

We are going there. Uh-huh. Oh, my God. I mean, you have to have this conversation with mission. Yeah, I need to bring everyone out. I left Mission and I was like, stay in the car kid. I'm going to go deal with some adult shit. Goodbye.

Did you get the line? Did you get the line? Griff's better off without you anyway, you table dancing, brother stealing home wrecker. Yeah. I love her creativity. Oh, we should address something really quick because we haven't done it. And Mission Vayo's voice actress. Oh.

Is it? Is it? Is it? I was going to say. That's what I thought. I had a feeling. It is, why am I blanking on her name? Ashley.

No, that's, Ashley X-Teen is, isn't that Assoca? Is Asoka, yeah. Oh, I'm thinking of. Why am I blanking on this name? Cat Tabor, cat Tabor, who also voiced, yeah, who I believe also voiced Padme in Clone Wars, yes, 100%. She's great. She's great. Yep, and then she's also a character in Old Republic, in the Old Republic

MMO. She plays VET, who is a Twilock thief, assassin, and escape artist, who is one of the companions. She's a companion for, I want to see she's a companion for the smuggler, maybe, or she a comelor? I forget which, I forget which character class she gets to be the companion for. Oh, she's a Sith warrior companion class. That's fun. Or companion character. That's why I don't know her that way. I never played that character class. This is going to end with me playing more Old Republic MMO, unfortunately.

Which you can't play yet because it's a direct sequel to these games. Anyway. What, if any NPC interactions do we get out and about? I didn't get much. Oh, you mean like conversations from people.

Between characters, yeah. What did we get? We got a lot of, I got a lot of candorous just being very rude. to people. Right. I tried to bring out

Candorous and Mission because I thought there would be vibes there. I thought they would need an argument at some point but they never spoke

to each other. And then I had Candorous and Bastilla. Yes. That they do talk. Yes. I forget who I think

Candorous probably starts with this. I don't think the Bastilla would stick you off this conversation. But basically he's like,

Yeah, how many Black Falcars was it that kidnapped you? Because I'm surprised, you're such a weak Jedi. Then he's like, you know, if the Jedi had more Jedi's like you, we would have won the war. Yeah. And she's like, you're not so bad. You know, fuck you. He's like, if they trained you how to use your lightsaber as good as you used your tongue, maybe you would have escaped. that's crazy

did you get candorous in carth because actually carth kind of stepped up a little bit oh no the soldier versus warrior thing right yes exactly oh yes they didn't get that interaction yeah yeah so candor so candoris is basically big timing carth about like there's a combination of like well you get it we're both

we're both warriors yeah it starts with like Maybe we faced each other. Maybe we had like a battlefield encounter, which I think is flirting if you're a Mandalorian, actually. And Carth is not that guy. And by the way, my Carth is wearing Davick's armor. Yes. And a cool visor. The visors in this game.

Star Wars has never looked like this ever. But in this game, everyone is constantly wearing like Star Trek, like Jordy visors or laser visors or weird-ass headgear. Constantly. Carf is Snow Crash Cosplane in the middle of Star Wars. It is every time the camera cuts to him and he's in this like

magician purple armor that we got from that mob boss with his little fucking visor. It's like what are you doing here? But anyway, he tells Candace, no, no, no, no. You're a warrior. I'm a soldier. Basically, societies need

soldiers to fight off warriors like you who pray on the week and, you know, try to, you know, try to dominate the galaxy through force. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then the big thing is, right, Candace is like, nice speech. I bet you tell yourself that every night so you can go to sleep. I accept who I am.

And Carth is like, so what happens when you lose? The winners, you know, dictate what is good. We won, asshole. And Candace is like, you outnumbered us five to one. You had more ships, more troops. You had all the better equipment. And then the Jedi showed up. And Karth is like, nice speech.

I bet you tell yourself that every night when you go to sleep. I was like, yo, get him. Yeah. That's right. That was sick. That was sick. I had that. It was good. It was good.

It was, you know, it's Carr's 10 throw a punch. Yes, just a few. I gained some respect points for Karth for sure. He's still not candorous, unfortunately. But because that's the other thing is you can also get the candorous battle stories now, right? If you talk to candorous, you can be like, yo, what was your history like? Natalie, what were you going to say? He just, well, he's been telling me battle stories since we met on, on terrorists, on Taurus.

But every time I talked to him about a battle story, it's like, yeah, and I was riding this crazy animal. And we were, it was the best of times and the worst of time. My man is doing like space drops. He was doing like paratrooping from space on a droid. He's playing Fortnite in real life. He is. He's in Fortnite. He's just like, he's doing 180 no scopes, IRL in Star Wars in real life.

It's, uh, I love, I love just him being so keen to just ham it up about his war stories and stuff. So being Davick's top enforcer is the worst job he's ever had. Yes. Yeah. Such a downgrade. You get now why he's like, I have to get off this fucking planet. It was so beneath him. I should be riding pterodactyls into death march war battles.

I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, dude, absolutely. Rob, did you pick up the, did you get the thing about the weird asteroid belt? No. Okay. I'm going to wait to have this conversation. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something here that I think only Rob will pick up on because of his EU history.

But, yeah, there is a, do you, Dana, do you remember the, I will just have a conversation and see if Rob picks up on it. What happens in that asteroid belt story? that he tells. He says he had to like navigate through an asteroid belt and then inside one of the asteroids was like an ancient creature. Yeah. He says. Yeah.

Go ahead. You finish the story. I don't want to come up there. No, no. Go for it. If you have it in front of you. I had to find it. I found it.

Yeah, there's an, he was like fighting pirates for fun. And he missed and hit an asteroid. And he says, it was smaller than most, maybe a dozen meters on a side. On the outside, it looked the same as any other, just a ball covered in frozen gas. But something must have been inside it, something inactive in the cold. The heat of my blast must have triggered something or woken it up. After I hit it, spots of light and heat appeared all over, the thin shell covering it, evaporating the gases. What lay underneath it looked like some kind of rocky growth, a deformed rock pitted by scores of micrometeorite scars.

I think something older might have been inside that. It started rotating faster and faster as we watched it. After a second, it started spraying fire, thermal projectiles that melted our armor like wax. We were caught completely by surprise. Before we could counterattack, it fled at an incredible speed. We couldn't catch it. We could follow its hyperspace wake. We followed its trail as far as we could, heading away from the galactic core.

When it finally led beyond the edge of our galaxy, we abandoned our efforts. Anything that wants to commit suicide and the great void is not worth our trouble trying to catch. That's the only story I have for now. I'll tell you some more stuff later if we get the chance. Next time. Was that a Yu-Jean Vong? It was. So, who are the Yu-Jong?

This is nothing. This doesn't matter. But who are the Yu-Jong-Vong? And then Natalie will come back. Okay. So basically, they ran out a runway for, you can only have the Empire and New Republic fighting each other for so long. And they needed a new big bad.

And so they introduce an extra-galactic threat who arrive. And they use technology that needs. nobody's ever seen before they are basically like their entire race are like masters of terror forming and bio weapons and such so like one of the things that happens when the eugen vong hit is basically they like hit chorissant with the amount with the equivalent of like a genesis torpedo like the opposite of a death star you know yeah like turned it like a teeming wilderness on top of like the ruins of old corso. Yeah, a missile that turns things into a jungle, you know, instead of destroying a

planet, you make it overgrown with life. And one of their ship types, it's a minor ship type, but it's a kind of scout ship that they had that was exactly this. So yeah, Candace Ordo meeting the future bad guys of no longer canon EU Star Wars is very fun to me. That's a very like, I can sneak in a reference to books that the true Star Wars nerds of our era are reading. I like that quite a but yeah, it's a Uric strona for people who want to look that up.

Anyway, Natalie, you sound like you had more like candorous vibes. I was just going to say that it's such a horrific image, like the fact that him, he talks about like their armor melting like wax as they're just like floating in space. Like that's so fucked up. How many people died that day? Like, if your armor's melting in space, like it just. the things the stories the way that he tells the stories like most of them are in incredibly horrific and like they're like and he he's like talking about it as if it was like

you got this epic time where it was so it was so crazy and it was epic and da da da da it should have been there should have been there got had to be there had to be there it's like a surfer dude like talking about like epic waves except in this case it's like like epic waves of like dead bodies like littering the battlefield epic waves of actual blood like it's great it's wild alie this is your boy right this is this is the start of your mandolarian love affair this is it this is the genesis yeah no this is i'm i've been obsessed with candoros or no forever and we will get to the exact conversation why i know i know the dialogue light in my life oh i'm so excited is it one of these

stories or is it something like a main plot thing? It's like you get to a point in the game and he says a thing to you in reaction to a thing. And it was one of the most romantic things I've ever heard of my life. I am so stoked. I'm so excited to know what this is. You know, I don't I don't think it's like an actual romantic option. It's just a very bromance pilled and we had a bond and he's you know, he's your guy. Keep me with your party. He's your guy. Great. All right. I'm going to give that man a sword. Give that man a sword. Give the man two swords eventually. Yeah, I haven't been the Nenchi, like the one with the two blades on the either end. It's good.

He's doing very well. He does what he does good with that. MPCs you actually meet out here. Oh, yeah. That's where we were before we got candorous pills. Yeah, after Nemo. After Nemo, there's a husband and wife couple. Right.

Yep. who are talking about they've lost their daughter she was like kidnapped by some Mandalorian Raiders please go find her I found it very well first of all if you have candorous with you during this conversation which I did candorst will be like sounds like you were too beta

yeah he's basically like he should have been protecting her better if he wanted to keep her yeah he's like seems like a you problem He does shit talk these Mandalorians, which is interesting. Because this is where he's like, someone raises like, the Mandalorians ever since they lost the war, they've been going around, picking off, you know. Oh, yeah, they're taking scraps and they should be taking worlds. Yeah.

I'm like, okay, okay. I want to be clear, this so contextualizes, I think, Allie and my feelings about how the Mandalorians are depicted in Clone Wars, is that like, we have, this is the shit I've been waiting to hear me. And in the Mandalorian, you know what I mean? Where's our candorous? World takers. World takers.

Yeah. If you approach the woman after you have the conversation, or maybe before, but after I I talked to the husband and he's like, ah, yeah, and help us find her child, whatever. If you try to talk to the wife, she says, hello. And it's in the MPC, non, like, text box, text box. the head presentation she's like hello I'm afraid I'm not very good at explaining things if you have any questions please ask my husband just like head empty dialed tone the fuck out there's a picture being painted there is a

problem like we need to send an investigation force on oh on the women of Dantuin something is happening my answer may I introduce this woman just to this little pedestrian footbridge. Please do. Please do. I cannot. Desperate help. Okay. I thought, okay, like, from where it begins, I was like,

Elise, her name's Elise. I have some sympathy here, and then you meet the, once you close the loop, all hell breaks loose. This first group, by the way, is the one, and it's like, please go kill the Mandalorians who are here. That's the quest they're giving you, basically. The second person, Elise, go ahead, Rob. First, she's like, can you find, where is he?

could he have gone? Somebody took him and it's like made to sound like, you know, maybe a child was stolen or, you know, a family member. And that's sort of true. Very vague. We were on the farm. He went missing. I told him not to, not to get too far away from me. Maybe he was kidnapped. But then there was no signs of, you know, the door was, the door was locked like usual. It was all, it turns out it's her droid. And, Crucially, it was a droid, specially programmed and left to her by her dead husband to make sure that, like, she's taken care of after he's gone. Yeah. Her droid making, she describes her husband as being a genius at droid construction. And so before he died, he made one capable of taking care of her for the rest of her life. And in retrospect, taking care of is doing work. So you go out in the wilderness.

Hold on. And eventually you find... Before you even go and find the droid, she tells you about the type of relationship that she has with this droid. She's like, I need him. And you can... And she's like, I, like, we have a connection. Like, I use him for things.

Wait. Nobody knows he's here. Nobody knows he's with me. Like, you can't tell any... Like, it's like, and at one point, you're, you ask her like, wait, what's going on here? And she's like, I forget exactly. She's basically fucking insinuates that she's fucking this droid. Like, she is fucking the droid.

She is fucking the story of this quest is, undeniably. A hundred percent, she is having a sexual relationship with this droid. and the droid ran well we don't know we don't know at this point we don't know at this point the droid is missing and she's having a sexual relate we know that she is having a sexual relationship with it it's pretty fucking clear at this point i didn't inquire that deeply of her i was like okay like it's the last like connection you have your husband and like clearly yes or close okay if you talk to her a second time yeah so there's two things here first of all in the middle of the initial conversation when when she says that his absent gnaws at her like a gaping

wound. If you have Carth and Bastila in the party, Carth goes, wow, she really misses her droid, doesn't she? And Basil's like, there's no need for you to make fun of her. She's obviously desperate. And Carth is like, I'll say. And Basil says, enough. Stop it. And then if you go and talk to her again, before you find the droid, she again says that the droids missing, that she can feel him like a hole in her aching heart. And you can be like, well, what's up? And eventually, at the end of it she, like, goes like, he was supposed to be completely loyal to serve me after my husband died. And T3, if you have T3 in the party, goes, beep, beep, beep, boobo boop. And then you're like, yes, T3, I understand that you're concerned about him, too, because T3 gets it. T3 is like,

we got to help, we got to help. We got to help. We have to go help this droid immediately. So. So we find the droid. Out in the world, the droid meets the faith that everyone in this world meets on Dantuin, uh, being menaced by antelopes and wool. yeah so you fight off the the creatures and you talk to the droid droids like i ran away which you kind of knew yeah i ran away i mean he starts by saying yeah are you all right like you took a you took quite a beating and uh he goes it's not so bad compared to what i used to endure with my last owner bro mm-hmm and then you say were they abusing you?

And he says, you could say that. It's so fucked. It's really bad. And we're not even at the bad part yet. No. Like, it's truly about to get really bad. Like, it sucks. The droid flight, I came out here to die.

I came out here to be destroyed. Because Elise is fixated on me. It's unhealthy for her. She needs to go, like, live her life. and she needs to have relationships with real people. Yes. Droid's choice of framing for this, not mine, which sets up, what's the droid solution for this?

The droid is like, I need you to destroy me. Those are the options. Not appearing on this list is like, get me out of here. Yeah, I'll drop me off. I was like, come in my party. Yeah. We're going to Kashik.

Let's go. You were built by a genius, like, droid maker? I bet you could help us save the galaxy. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, yeah, your options are kill it, kill him, or send him back, convince him that. Or kill him and then tell her he's still, he's probably still out there looking for you. I said that first and then he was very upset by it.

And I had to reload. Well, I was like, did I do something wrong? Like, why am I getting locked out of the logical fourth option, which is joint emancipation? Nope. So I reloaded. options you can give to convince him are either, it's like, no, you should go back to her. And the options you get are, he's like, why. And you could say she's lonely and needs your support, or you're her property and must obey her, or because if you don't, I'll carry you back

myself. Evil. Evil. Evil. And, yeah, and the drawing's very clear. Like, I have to, you know, take care of, like, she's with me all the time. And the droid's like, you don't want to know. A hundred percent. It's so fucked up. And, like, explicitly says she's she's treating me like her dead husband it's not healthy for her right she doesn't go outside she doesn't talk to other people this is a stephen king story this is misery but with this droid when you're like all right i'll destroy you and i'll tell her why why you wanted to do this yeah i kind of wish he didn't put his little hands up as i strike him down oh there's not a button i can just hit and like tuck you away for you know what i mean no you have to slice

him down. I left the area. I, like, made him vulnerable to attack, and then I left the area, and then if you come back, he's just gone. That's... Sure. That's my... Do you get the completion? I don't think so. So I reloaded it.

I didn't in the moment because I thought I broke something. So I reloaded and just killed him. Yeah. You can just not get his XP. You just say, I'm not going to do it. Well, I was confused by the options, and I thought there was something obviously missing.

So I was like, let's go back and then we'll talk about it together. Thinking you'd get there and be like, now listen. Right. He ran away for a reason. Let's get to the root of the problem here. And that's not what happened is. What she said? Do you ever written down what she says?

I'm so scared. I did not write down. She's, well, you walk up and she's like, oh, honey, you're. back. I'm so glad you're here. Don't worry. I'm going to bring you home and give you an oil bath just like you like. We're going to celebrate, she says. I think he says, please kill me. He does say a second time. Because I think the first time she drags him off, he's just like, no, no, no. And then for some reason, you find them again in the Jedi Council, in one of the bedrooms. Like, I didn't know if it was just the Jedi are letting them use

the bedroom? I was like, what are you doing? Like, what is he been happening? And it basically goes to the same options. And that's when he says, please kills me. And I was like, what is what is happening? But yeah, you at no point can be like, yeah, I got your droid back, but like your joy doesn't fuck with you. Like, your joy doesn't want to do this anymore. You got to go, you got to join a book club, or else he's going to run away again. Which is what I was hoping

I would be able to say. But yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, T3 or whatever that guy's name is. C8. I'm sorry, C8. One day she'll die and he'll get to keep living. Right. Unless she kills him first, which she might do.

She might. He should kill her. He should. If you kill him and tell her that he died out there from the casthounds, she just goes and, you know, gets with someone new. She runs away to the Jedi enclave and is like and and I like didn't go back. I was like okay I got like hell of more fucking quests to do out here. So by the time I got back there, she's in the, which I guess is why maybe she's in the room with the robot with the droid.

but she, she's in the room with a random guy. Samt. And Sampt. His name is Sampt. S-A-M-N-T. Sam-T. Don't go to the Samt Wikipedia page. It has a spoiler on it.

Okay, I won't. I'll see if Samt ever came up again, and we can't talk about it. And she's like, while I was so distraught and upset, I ran into this man who I immediately latched myself on to basically and now we're in love and I'm obsessed with him and we're, this is my person forever and so she just you know, codependency is a hell of a thing

in Star Wars. You, you, she needs mental health resources. I hope that they have that in the Jedi enclave. No, they don't know. You know, they don't. Yoda could do it.

That ain't Yoda. Mediate there really. Yeah, he wouldn't anyway. Yeah, no, it's bad. That is like one of the worst NPC side quests I've ever experienced in my life. It's really bad. It's so, it was like I could not believe that there was no other option. I was, I felt terrible subjecting.

Well, yeah. And there's a lot. lot of, I'm looking at like the dialogue breakdown here. And there's a lot of stuff from people if you tell her, if you kill C8 and then tell her that he's still out there. Like everybody is like, it's not everybody. It's mission. It's Carth. It's Bastelich, Johani, who we haven't talked about yet. It's Zalbar. And then it's someone who you haven't recruited yet. They all have a thing that's like, that's just mean. You can just be so cruel. The dark, you know, Juhani says, the dark side dwells in all of us, but you cannot give into your baser instincts

like that. Zolbar, who doesn't say shit in this game, says your actions disturb me. Among my kind, those who take pleasure and the suffering of others are considered dangerously unstable. That's the only shit that is like, they all say that. And then if you give her back to the droid to Elise, give him back to Elise, and then find them later, the comments after he says, please kill me are, Carth goes, I don't think I've ever felt so bad for a droid before. T3 goes sadly Beep boop boop And then

Canderus says Did you get this Allie? Did you hide this information If you wanted to protect Candorous? This is the single most romantic thing That Ali ever heard It is not because it's so fucked up

No, it's so mean Candorous says ha I guess that droid is really going to serve His master tonight What? Candace We have to have a talk This is not fucking good

Dude Okay. That's not worse than, hey, your daughter wouldn't have died if you were better. It's pretty bad. It's really bad. One's, hey, skill issue. Right. And the other is, is, is, is, is, is, droids aren't people.

It's unhinged and evil. Which is like, that's the whole, the whole thing. The whole thing is, this whole quest is about, like, playing with the ambiguity of is a droid a person. And, like, it is fucked up because that isn't ambiguous. When you have someone who is like, my owner is, my owner is abusing me, like, there's space for a story like that in Star Wars. I don't know that this is how you stick the landing on it, man. But it's just like one of those bioward jokes.

Yes, exactly. Why there's like no sort of like, quote-unquote good ending to this. This is the same as like, oh, it's really funny to punch the lady in Massifax or things like that like I yeah it's not like there is no room for our reaction there is no like designed space for the reaction that we're having to no it's just like what if a vibrator could talk gag like ha ha ha right well and that's like and yeah the the biore thing is often and listen i think our like running an RPG it's so tempting to be like wow this would be a fucked up joke to make, but what the hell? But you've made

it exist in the world. Like, it is, I am sure not a ton of, it's like, yeah, here's a goofy, weird thing that's going to happen in the wilds of Dantuin, but the problem is it just exists now. It just exists. Like, there's this droid that like, uh,

you know, the genius inventor created. Breathe life into this droid. Like the, like the dude and I robot. Yeah. And he gets used as a rabbit. Yeah. And that's like you know we i guess we got one more one more round in the chamber for our we have to

we have to liberate all droids in the galaxy argument this is happening so yeah uh that it's just it's such a it's such a bizarre bizarre thing you mentioned you mentioned so it took me a while to get to jihani yes we should talk about jihani yeah corrupted i had to i i met jahani and then i had to wandered Antoine for about another hour fighting willed a beast to level up enough to deal with Johani who I don't think is meant to be that big a deal I think I think

Johani killed me I was like this feels like a fight you're supposed to lose I was like this is this beast woman leaped out of these pillars beat this shit out of me and I was like well that's just obviously this is just a fight you're meant to lose so I'm gonna like just see what happens here

And then it's like reload your game Your party is dead Yeah So you're not supposed to lose that fight Nope And later after I put Enough levels into Into my poor character

And bankrupted myself I was like Selling blasters And be like Does I really wear this armor anymore Please I need more med packs Oh you're on advanced bedpacks I'll take the regular ones

Give me those I think we all just need to Dedicate a day to going to play Pazak To grind out all the money will ever need because we're at that point in the game now where you can just go win Pazok matches to get thousands and thousands of credits and never have to worry about money again if we don't want to. No more cheaters.

No more cheaters. You need to teach me the ways of Pizak. Just go buy all the plus one minus one, plus two minus twos, get all those, put those in your deck and then you win basically and save after everything. Anyway, Rob, you level up in time to, so let me set up the situation. Who's Jihadi? Where do you run into her? What's the? What is the corrupted grove, the tainted, the third trial? So there's a grove. It's corrupted. Nobody knows what's up, but all the wildebeest started acting weird because of the fucked up vibes of this grove.

Also, I keep thinking like, that must be the grove. There's a bunch of trees over there, some rocks that looks like a grove. No, that ain't it. No. You have to go to the map called grove And then inside of that map Walk past all the other groves Is the one thing on Dantuin That is definitively not a grove It is instead of ruin

It is a ruin of columns And A cat lady is in there She's a cathar Like our The cat empress That tried to seduce Anakin Queen

Oh yeah Oh hell yeah She's one of those Yeah So It's kind of an awkward little thing you see her like meditating and then like you expect to be a conversation but instead she just freezes your companions and then fights you yeah and in my case I just got killed I was like

this is this is end game boss boy this is we found the we found the Sith the Sith Lord on Dantuin I better run off and fight everything else on this map optional end game content you know like the weapons in front of fantasy seven you know so hours later I come back to this lady. And this time just, you know, it's a walkover. Just like, you know, donezo. I think at this point I had banked enough. I got enough experience that they finally gave me cure

so I could quickly like force heal myself. Yeah. And by the way, at that point, it was game changing because this was the first skill. It's like, oh, and by the way, like for every charisma bonus, you get, you get additional healing. And so it's like, forget med packs. Duppes has like the healing hand of Christ. Yep. He's just like just laying on the party.

But you meet everybody. That's the thing to understand. Cure heals everybody in the party. Everybody on your side within a 15 meter radius. Yeah, it's one of the best ones for sure. And Bistilla has it. Bacilla. Bacilla also does have it.

Or maybe you have. Not like me. Not like you. Right, because she doesn't have the charisma that you have. Yeah, you are, you have that charisma ready to go for this. This is where I think you're going to turn the corner. I really do. I think this was this was the moment.

So quickly you get her down to half hit points. And she's like, oh, you're so strong. Even in all my darkness, I can't, I can't beat you. And you get the story of Jahani, which is that she had a bad tutorial session with her Jedi master. And flipped out and killed her. And it was like, well, I guess I'm just darksided now. So I'm going to live in this dark side. side tainted grove and feed on my power.

I'm so dark and mysterious and powerful. Like the world can't handle. I'm just damned. It's not a phase. It's real. So in my case, I kept having all these persuade options that are like, I promise you, you can go back to the Jedi. I promise you, you don't have to stay out here.

They let you keep the lightsaber. It's fine. You didn't do anything the other Jedi haven't done. And then there's basically a, no, you're too hot to be a dark Jedi response. It's like, Johani, you're a beautiful young woman. And you just bring that smile back to the Jedi Council and they will welcome you with open arms. I use that one. Oh, yeah, same.

Big same. This is interesting because in this conversation, you get different answers if you're a woman. Oh. Uh-huh. So if you, when you're like, come on, Jahani. You're a beautiful young woman who has much talent. For men, she goes, I thank you for your kind words, Jedi. And for women, she goes, you seem to know just what affects me.

Wait, she said, I thank you for your kind words, Jedi, to me. Uh-oh. Did that bug not get, did this not get fixed? Is this a bug? Is this a bug? Well, this is the thing. Like, the Johanin was supposed to be a lesbian. But at launch, there was something busted with it that opened up the, you know,

romance options for both or maybe it fucked up maybe it made it so that it couldn't you couldn't I don't remember the exact specifics I should look into this specifically but I'm looking at the script for the game and this is also you know she talks about how like to here's a question did you get the line oh maybe you get both of these lines if you're that's what of this you get both of those lines if you're a woman you get both I think of your kind words and you seem to know what just sort affects me you get both if she my master were alive now, there would be so much I would say to her, so much I would apologize for.

And then also you get, I think in my own way, I truly loved her. We don't get that. Ooh. Right? And you get, or we got, I will return to the council then. I shall submit myself to their judgment and hope they will forgive me. But you get that end, if only there was some way I could make this up to you. So, you know, Johani only has eyes for her old master.

and also you now. That's fine with me. Did we all recruit Jahani? Did we all save Jahani? None of us killed Johani here. No. Yeah. I was really thinking about it though.

I keep trying to be dark-sided, but like I'm not committed to, like, it's tough. I mean, I think that like the, the- It's like murdering a Maldorf. Yeah. She's fine. She should come hang. You know, she's- She also didn't kill. Right.

Okay. It's worse. A master. What, okay, what's the story here? Because she's like, I kill my master. No, she didn't. She didn't. And the Jedi counsel's like, her master was hurt.

Worse than that, it's not just, oh, her master was hurt. It's that her master was testing her. Her master let herself get hurt in this way so that she would have to go confront herself and struggle with the darkness inside of her. Seems kind of fucked up to me. It's so fucked up. Quotra let herself be her. Quote,

Zhaar says, she struck her master in anger during training and injured her greatly, but it was Quattra's choice to test Johani this way and seems to have made its point. Jahani's been redeemed

and you have passed your final test. And if you don't save her, they don't tell you this. You kill her? They never reveal to you that Quatra isn't dead. You kill her and then come back and you still think that her master died.

They never correct you on that. It's so messed up. This is the thing that's like, the thing that pushes me towards the dark side in this game is dealing with the Jedi Council and being like, these hubristic motherfuckers are going to get themselves and everybody else killed because they don't do this right. And it makes me crazy. Like it makes me bioir evil like crazy. It's fictional, not mental health, not, oh no, I need mental health, you know, you know, aid. It makes me bioeer evil Joker mode. It really does. You're getting joker-fied. I'm getting joker-fied every time I play this game. We're living in a society. We are living in a society. It does feel like the Jetta Council's even less supervised or buttoned up than it is in the like prequel trilogy era.

Like this feels like, hey, this seems like a weird thing to try. It's like early days of psychology type shit where it's like, hey, you think this will, you think this is. a complex we can do anything with? These two seem to have an affinity. Let's send them on a mission together and just see what happens, you know? Well, and like, I think part of that too is if all of their, if a huge amount of their younger population died or joined with Revenant Malik, there's a degree to which, like, they're not being held accountable by their own.

There's no one underneath them coming up the ranks, challenging them in the internal way where they would get, there's no Quigon anymore, right? And there's no, there's no, there isn't an Anakin inside of the, the Jedi anymore. There isn't, you know, not, I mean, again, we saw what happens to Anakin and Assoca when they try to push back on some of this stuff. But, you know, you have that natural thing instead of any institution where like the next generation comes in and kind of pushes the old guard out. The old guard's in command.

And they already fucked up once. And they didn't fuck up in a way where they got replaced by the new guard. The new guards became a sectarian split and became the Sith. So it's like all these old men, and they are all old men, we have not met in a older woman Jedi, right? It's the four dudes who train you here. Then Bastila and Jahani, who are also Padawan. Yeah, Nemo, who's an old dude.

It's, it's, all these dudes are just, like, stuck in their old ass ways, so. Right. And, like, it's interesting. They're not even, like, phoning home to, to, um, course on or anything. Like, this is a completely separate offshoot that's just like, you know what? Yeah. It's fine. It feels something weird is.

going on here because first of all why do we know anything about what happened between Bastilla and Ravon it's Revan Revan well what we know is she led the mission. We know that she was there

and he died and she came back and that's and we don't know if she killed him we don't know how he died we just know that he died while Bastilla was there And again

And then Malik got away somehow And Malik got away And Malik How did Malik slip through her finger tips? I don't fucking know Yeah Uh huh Something weird is happening

I don't I don't I feel like we're in M. Night Chamelan Situation Where it's it's like You know Oh man like What's your origin story dops

Like tell me the first thing you remember You know it's gonna be that You go through that conversation Yeah And it felt like Did anybody finish that conversation with Basila on the like no the wookie joke was too The wookie joke stopped the I know I did the whole thing honestly I was like oh yeah so I was um from this planet I did this this and that and she and then at the end I think you ask like is that it or something and she was like well um I already knew the answers to all these questions I just wanted to see if you were gonna be honest about it and you were so that's a good thing or whatever look wrong just talking around it, right? Dups is Revin.

What? Is that your theory? Okay. Because did you talk, Carth raises an idea that you're being lied to at some point too. This is, okay, from the first cut scene that you have that shows like Bastila fighting with a shadowy figure and you get the cut to Bastille standing over the body, you're from that point of view. And it's like, wow, what a weird vision. And I'm like, is that a vision or is that a memory? But then Basselah, like, doesn't seem to know you. So I don't know. So I don't know. But, but I don't think Revin is he. I think Revin is like they talk around the pronoun

for Revan because you can choose your gender as a player. And then like all of this shit is nobody knows where you came from. It's remarked out at the start of the game like what a weird thing. Why are you doing on the ship? Where are you from? It's so weird. It was so important to get you on this ship. And the Jedi Council's like, you've got to bring this guy to us, like, right away. You're so good at being a Jedi. Wow. But Revin, but they knew Revin.

They do know, yeah, they did know Revan. You're right. So what are we supposed to be amnesia to Revan? Who just happens to be. If you'd read the American literary masterpiece by Dennis Lane, Shutter Island. Oh, my God. They're Shutter Islanding. They're Shutter Islanding.

They're Shutter Island. Carth has a theory about this. Not this part of it, but did you got, did y'all get the thing? Maybe this only happens when you're back on the ship after you do the star map where Carth is like, hey, someone is lying to us and everyone's lying to me. They're hiding shit for me.

I haven't gotten that yet. Yeah, he's like, well, because you go up to him and he's like, you can be like, you seem like you're in a bad mood. And he's like, well, I just don't like being out of the Loop, and you can say, you were born out of the loop, which I really appreciated. Wow. So sassy.

Wow. You can say, you can say, oh, poor baby, do you need some filling in on some detail? Yeah. But one of the things he says is like, hey, they pulled you in there. They didn't tell me anything about it. Now you use the force. That's not how it works. Don't you need to like stay here and get trained?

on shit, and you can tell him about the bond that you have and how that's the thing that's giving you the force or whatever. And he's like, you're a neophyte Padawan who's been saddled with the responsibilities of tracking down these star maps. That's not normal. I'm not trying to provoke you or imply that you're responsible for the Jedi Council, but give me a hand here. There has to be a reason why you have to do this. So he is also raising some questions about what your role is in all of this, you know, which he did earlier too. Remember he has that line earlier where he's like, you just woke up on the Endar Spire and, like, happened to be in the right place at the right time and survive all this.

So I think Carth is also sniffing around the edges of this and has some pet theories. If we're getting Shutter Island did, I'm going to lose my mind. I forget what the actual twist is. I've seen Shutter Island, but I forget the actual... The twist is that... Oh, Shutter Island is such a good twist. We should watch Shudder Island. It's so good.

We saw it together. We did see it together. I know. I know we saw Shutter Island and I enjoyed it. I just haven't seen it since it came out. So the twist is that a marshal for Shutter Island. Yeah.

Teddy, God, I forget his last name. But the DeCaprio character. Yeah. Teddy Daniels. He's investigating an escaped like homicidal maniac on Shutter Island. Which is like an abandoned asylum. An active asylum.

It's not active. It's active. Yeah. And he starts investigating. He comes by boat. and there's growing evidence that like is there medical experimentation going on here in this island it seems like people are people are actually like they've got something to hide the doctors are all being super secretive around him and and some of the inmates try to warn him like nothing here

is like you like you think it is they're they're trying they're deceiving you and he digs deeper and deeper into what's going on in shutter island and he realizes he comes to this realization that he's an inmate at Shutter Island because he is he was driven mad with guilt over the fact that he like in a traumatic episode killed his family is the

implication and he's caught in this loop where he keeps he's the man he's looking for right okay yes and he keeps convincing himself he's an active duty detective Right. Like trying to solve this crime. I'm Detective, Detective Daniels.

And so this was their last chance was to like do the most awesome immersion therapy type thing to make him confront his delusion by leaning into the delusion all the way. And discovering the truth as a detective.

Yeah. Right. Right. And he's like, oh no, I can't believe it. This is the truth. This is destroying me. And then they're like, yeah, we've had this conversation like several times right and if this one doesn't take they're going to lobotomize you because you are like a green beret man yeah like when you freak out it's dangerous yeah yeah it's like you're secretly a sith lord but it's up there yeah yeah yeah yeah wow the question is they do

something to bastella as well because she's like what's our weird connection right is the connection that they did weird Jedi brain fuckery to like have these two not know each other despite that one maybe kind of killed the other right that Basil would be like oh this is just a weird guy I ran into on Taurus who could say

I'm so I need we need to keep playing this game I need to keep playing this game I will say I've been dodging this conversation for weeks so glad to just have it out there This is an active good theory. We'll see if it pays off. Interesting, interesting.

Speaking of things paying off. Uh-huh. Two houses, both alike and dignity. Uh-huh. Little Fortress McMansions, also identical, a like an aspect built on the plains of Dantuin. Settlers have arrived. One loading screen away from each other.

Yeah, one loading screen away. No, two, because the growth. In between them. True. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And one of them is like, where's my son?

The Jenna counsel needs to help me recover my son. It's those damn hat fields who did. It is the sands and the matali. Yeah. And the funny, so I fucked this one up too. You would think, for a guy who's made a persuasion and charisma, he could have found a solution for this. Oh, did you not get out of this one? Before the quest even triggered, I found the corpse of the missing boy.

Missing son. Yeah. Oh, she's. There's two missing sons. Shen, who has been abducted by the, the Matali's. Yeah. Did the Sandral. It was the Sandral.

I'm checking. The Sandrals, they hate each other. One of them was the body went missing. we said this, or the person went missing, you talk to, I'm reading my notes and it's like, oh, okay, so it's the sandrails lost a son and then kidnapped the, the Matali son, Shen Matale got kidnapped in retribution for what they believe is the killing of the Sandrall son, who instead was seemingly just killed by Cath Hounds. By them, that's the fucking, yeah, it's the planet we're on.

Which, by the way, why the fuck after you finish the whole Jedi dark side tainted grove making all the cathounds crazy after you cleanse the taintedness of the grove that the cathounds don't chill the fuck out? I thought that the cathound thing was going to like end after you finish the grove. So I left it to be like the very last thing so I could EXP grind as much as I could. Nope. Nope, they just are still tainted. Yeah, you'll always do it because I thought that I would finally just have the chance to walk around for a little bit

because I kept getting lost and having to fight these things. So Mr. Matali is like, I demand to speak to the manager of the Jedi Council, you need to find my son. And then he's like, I know how this works. I'll bribe you a thousand credits if you find my son. And I was like, well, surely anyway.

who's willing to pay $1,000 credits, we're willing to pay two. And everyone's like, whoa, that's so dark side, bro. I was going to find his son regardless. Like, but if he's offering... Right, this guy sucks. Can't we just take money from him? Where are we talking about?

Yeah. It's not like... He's not bribing me. I was going to do it. The other guy, like, when you tell him, oh, your son, we found your son. I didn't tell him. So this is the thing.

So, because I was like, I'll go into this, like, I hadn't found a son. I get the vibe. And then I will reveal in a way that'll sort of de-escalate the situation. Sorry, your son was eaten by wolva beasts. Right. Uh-huh.

And that option existed at the start of this conversation, and it- You can still tell the droid afterwards. You can go back in and tell the droid, hey, I found the kid. It doesn't change anything. Fucking regardless. There's nothing you can do to make him chill ahead of time at this point, you know? So you didn't do anything wrong here, I don't think. You know, not at this point.

You know, there are some, there are different types of outcomes here at the end of it. But at this point, you are stuck doing, you're stuck being like, hey, I have to go around the back of the sandra place and sneak in and sneak in. By the way, the reason the Matali are out here and so angry is this motherfucker left the core worlds. That's the entire core worlds. He went across the galaxy for some peace and quiet. This is a guy who, like, outpass the excerpts. He's like, I need a planet to be alone. And the reason he hates the Sandrels is because, like, someone else built a home.

Well, okay, two loading screens away. Like, really, I don't understand it's pretty agro. Like, you're trying to get away from people and, like, boom, two loading screens away. Like, somebody builds an identical mansion. Like, that's just... Yeah, it's the same house. Imagine getting deliveries. Cool, there's two loading screens away.

It takes so long to get there. Sorry, I sent you a picture of my front door. Yeah, I'm standing there. This is where I left it. Okay, they have different droid types. The Matales have, like, badass military droids. They have sylons. And the Sondrols just have, like, a C-3-B-O-ish type beat.

And that's, otherwise, they're basically the same. And it's like, it is just that. It is just, the story that ends up playing out here is like, oh, the two children actually love each other. the daughter of the sandrails loves the son of the of the Matales and if you can get them both out they can go out front there's a big confrontation everybody yells at each other there's this really funny moment where it's like there you are Shen father mr. Matale Rehazia father Mr. Sandral Narik Alani this is like cut cut cut cut cut cut cut very funny game it can be a very funny game it wants to be quite yeah which is like that's the swing that they

were taking a 2003 humor droid sex bot and like I bet that hit in 2003 none of us were good people in many ways humor was in a different fucking place. I was great. I was like seven. I sucked

so I was 17 or something or 18 when this game came out and was probably like loll. I wouldn't know. We weren't saying loll out loud yet. Yeah I was saying XD bar

is what I was saying anyway the rovalcopter are not even taking wing much less land so yeah you bust this kid out you out front

and then like in my mind again this quest was this long complicated thing where you're investigating both no not really you kill some droids

is there no way to so yeah you like you free shen And Shenz, like, I'm only going to leave if she also leaves. And if we leave together, then we'll be safe, blah, blah, blah. Is there any way to get the...

Yeah. It's that. Is there anybody to get them both happy? This is what she was talking about, actually, Tracy Chapman. Is there, yeah, is there any way to make the parents happy? I redid this sequence, like, four times, and I could not get the right combination. and I'm terrified of looking anything up in this game.

People have been telling them to shut the fuck up to not do the trick. That is what I can report back. There's a very specific through line here that you have to do and you have to hit certain persuade checks and you have to make sure you don't pick ones that are too aggressive.

So like you have to do, you have to do like you two just need to calm down but you can't do, there's certain ones if you pick them that's it you won't succeed. like straight up, right? Um, I think it's like, uh, if you push them too hard, if you go like, you've no right to keep them apart or if you say, both of you calm down now or you should sort this out

together, whatever, some of those just like hit straight dead ends. So you've hit the right like type of conversation tree and then hit difficult persuade checks on the things that are like children got children grow up and leave sometimes, you know, um, they're going to leave you eventually. it's just part of life, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, it is a bit of a pain in the ass. I couldn't make them happy. But yes, you can calm all them down.

And at the end of it, they're like, the thing that ends up bringing them together is they start to fight again over which house the couple should live in. And then it's like, hey, maybe they should have their own house. And they're like, you know what? Yeah, they should have their own house in the middle loading screen between our two places. places, equidistant between both of us, and we can design it to look like ours, basically. It's basically where it goes. Really?

You know, yeah. Because it's like, oh, they do seem to genuinely care for each other. And like, you know, the, again, Alon Matale is like, I might be convinced to see that Sandra girl with my son if she's loyal to him. But I don't trust you a centimeter farther old man. Your daughter may treat Shenwell, but you'll never see them. They're going to live with me. And then he's like, of course not, you pompous old windbag.

They'll live with me. And then you could be like, they could stay at the Jedi enclave. And Norik is like, of course not. No, they couldn't. My house is good enough. And they go back and forth. Those rooms are for people fucking their drawers. And that's it.

And plain pizzazzat. Yes. And yeah, Rehaja is like, so you're going to build us a new house? And Norek, Sandril, is like, yeah, that sounds like a good idea, I guess. And then they decide to build a new house, which that's fine, you know. Well, that's better than the ending I got, which is the kids just left. Yeah. And then everyone's like, we're going to tell the Jedi about you.

And I'm like, I hope you do. I feel like them, the implications that the kid leave the planet, though, seems better than... Frankly, yes, I agree. Having a weird house in between their two weird dads. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. You, and I think generally speaking, you end up with about the same XP from whichever.

You know, a thing I care about a lot or that I think about a lot is where is their mechanical or systemic, like, incentive to get a certain outcome, right? And, you know, sometimes that stuff breaks out in weird ways. So, like, it might be the case that turning this into a fight and killing everybody actually generates the most XP because you get the finish the quest plus the kill, like, combat XP might actually be the highest XP gain. But I think generally speaking, we're talking about the difference between like 400 and 600 XP total. So, you know, it's whichever way you came through it, I think is fine. I don't think this is a game where we should be feeling like we need to, you know, a quick save or load back in and save scum our way through to get the best outcome. Especially because, like, some of the shit is, it's dice rolls in that shitty way where dups, you should be succeeding on all these persuade checks. That is the character you've felt.

And nevertheless, sometimes you roll a two, you know? D20 is a shitty curve. Right, you don't even get to force persuasion here. Right? You don't even get to force persuadable. Right? And it's not, you don't even get to do that. Which is like, why do I have this power even if I can't do it here? What's the point?

It's weird. It's so goofy. I will say, like, I do appreciate that there, you can run into a problem. There's two things that I think this is a hard, the hard balance of strike in games writing, particularly RPGs. You can write well enough that, like, you really want to, get the good ending to all the stories because like the characters sympathetic enough and and it's all well done enough that you're like I really wanted to deliver everyone to like the

safe harbor of like the best possible ending here so I want to want to see what that is and I want that to be my canonical story yeah uh like or there's the version where things don't work out things are bad right but it's so well executed that you're like you know what that's how my story went that's just that's just how that is that is the that is my story most people like some people aren't going to get that. It did end better. But I love my sad ending I got. My Mass Effect 2 played through. The first time I played through is still the one I think of as my canon one. And it's one where I didn't realize that there was a time limit at a certain point in the game where you get a sort of, the way Mass Effect 2 works is you're gathering a crew and then doing a loyalty missions to get them

up to full loyalty with you. So they'll perform well on the final mission. And before the final mission, like in the middle of the game, there's a moment when your crew gets rate, your ship gets raided and people get kidnapped. And you only have a certain number of missions you can do before those people who got kidnapped fucking die. You have to go do the mission to rescue them or else they will die. And I was so focused on my companion loyalty missions that I didn't get to the main mission rescue until it was too late. I lost those crew members. And like, that was so good for my character. Like that was such an important moment of like, oh, I was so focused on like getting these, you know, these, uh, companion meters up. I was so focused on my friends that I let my crew die,

you know, and that shaped the way I played that character for the rest of the Mass Effect series. Um, and so yeah, when it hits, it can hit well. And I don't even know that it's like a well-made design. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't realize there was a timer counting down, but, but kind of maybe that obscuring that was actually really for the best. Um, uh, and it turned out to be a really definitive part of my character's backstory. That's not really how this stuff feels necessarily. No, but here, the character's suck enough. Right.

Where I'm like, you know what? Fuck them. Fuck them. Yeah. I'm not going back to fix this situation. I don't want to hear these guys talk one, like I don't want to hear another breath from these guys. That's not the only feud that's been going on on Dan Tune before Dup's rolls into the

situation to sort things out. You find a dead body. Yeah. And you learn that, you know, one of the other hats the Jedi wear is a little old-fashioned detective's hat. And sometimes that hat has two little holes cut it for brain tails. Because Twilight Jedi's are sometimes out

there solving crimes. And here we've got, hey man, good thing you're here. I found this dead guy. Sorry, I got called to see this dead guy. And all the suspects are here. And I've done some investigation. I think I got this pretty much figured out.

But you know, Jedi got to be good at investigating crimes. So why don't you show me what you can do? slugger. So what you got is a stiff, two really similar character models of like Dantuanians hanging out, and a droid who's full of useful case information. Yeah. Here's the thing. I would play this whole game.

I would play a whole game of, I would play disco elysium, but you're a Jedi. That would be sick to me. I agree. I'm not saying that this is particularly good So but compared to some of the other say Can I just say I was so okay the first time I played through this like what When I first encountered this sequence where the twilight is like all right Here's just so much fucking information yeah all at once

I was so high yeah I figured immediately quit the game and was like I need to come back Like I literally I quit the game because I was I first I like hit the switch like record button so I could go back and watch what I just saw because I was like oh my God I did not get any of that and I just I watched it again and then I was like I'm I gotta come back I'll come back to this and I did and then I solved it so go me go you I didn't I didn't fully solve it part of it is because like it unfolds according to kind of a weird logic. The way the whole thing is constructed is like, okay, step one, which of these guys is lying? And me, I'm like, I just want to know holistically what are the facts of this case, but it's like, no, step one, who is lying? Yeah. And the solution to this is, so one guy was out hunting, he says, and he found the other dude standing over this dead body. The other dude is like, oh man, I'm just a big time runner. Oh, I hate driving speeders.

I just run everywhere. Love running. And I was out on a run, and I tripped over this dead body. Whoa, crazy, right? Anyway, that's when I called the Jedi. And here we are. So who's lying? Well, the solution to this is, and I'm not sure where you're supposed to get this information.

Because you talk to the droid, you can be like, droid, tell me about, like, what's the situation here. The thing the droid tells you is immediately incriminating, which is that the wildlife is so dangerous. Duh, we've been playing this game We killed like entire herds Of like possessed antelope The wildlife has become so dangerous That there is a Everyone should go armed warning

Like advisory Planetwide like people just need to be You know they need to be strapped up Because you never know When these animals are gonna charge There's three bodies here And there's only two guns Accounted for

So like what was Mr. Runner guy doing here Without a gun right? The question one, it's like, well, why would you be doing this? But that's actually, that's, that's a red herring. This doesn't come up. It's not a thing that you're going to dig into. The reason you know the hunter's lying is because he reports shooting, aiming at a passing bird.

Yeah. And then seeing, lit by the back lit by the sun, the guy standing over the body. Yeah. And it's cloudy. it's cloudy how could the sun back the sun have yeah uh-huh it's a stormy morning specifically is what you were told in the first this is the thing most would not be out during during this type of stormy right it's literally the first thing that bollock tells you it's one of the first things he's like uh yeah it's weird he's the one who's like i think it's weird because most people would have been um it happened here

before the clouds broke it's weird they were out here at all because most people would have gone inside when there's these dark storm clouds and it's like delivered in passing it's not a focal point the droid doesn't bring it back up you really have to just and of course the thing that happened for me is not that I remembered that

it's that I clicked in on I think this guy is lying and he's like well why do you think he's lying and one of the options was well it was cloudy there was no sun glare and it's like oh yeah my character freaked this out

because a writer wrote this and that I've realized that yeah that's the right one also the other examples were things like he didn't mention the weapon. He was fat and fat people lie, which I didn't think he was fat even. As a fat guy, you need a fat character model to create a fat person. You got to have a fat person to, is that why? Is that the idea that like, oh, he's out jogging, so that means he's fat because he's trying to get trim? Yeah. The exact line is fat people always lie.

Oh, God. Why do you believe that? Fat people always lie. And Bullock, who, the other detective Jedi, is like, that's a novel assumption. It's not real. Not going to condemn that? He says, like, that's, the degree of corpulence in an individual has not been scientifically linked to honesty. And I find your adherence to that belief remarkable. It does not, however, constitute evidence. Real Kim Kitsuragi vibes, actually, like genuinely.

You dig a little deeper. Yeah. And you're like, oh, yeah, this dude, the runner who hates me, see rented a speeder from this guy. Yeah. Uh, which is weird. There's basically like three phases of like, what's the one, it's like a Phoenix right thing. Like, find the lie and then, and then get more testimony.

And then find the lie again and then find more testimony. And slowly built, and sometimes you have to reference old testimony. Like, you learn that like the, the two guys had been in, the dead guy had had a connection to both of these guys separately. Like, so the one dude, the hunter, like their business partners, they had a falling out, whatever. Big fight near the spaceport. The runner, you read to the speeder. You're like, you knew this guy.

I know it because of the speeder thing. He's like, all right, all right. He's fucking my wife. In fact, he fucked my wife in the room next to me while I was at home. And that plus the droid thing Is like this game's got some weird sex stuff going Yeah It does have some weird

It's so horny It's a very yeah it's a very sex forward game And this guy fucked my wife while I was like Busy reading the paper And like I just couldn't be distracted From that newspaper Like what the fuck? Yeah literally they slept in my own bed

While I was in the next room That seems like a you yeah so we got a couple fancy like things going on here yeah and the other dude so this this seems like pretty

seems like a good murder motive he was like I was just run actually I was just running to clear my head from you know thinking about the divorce because the whole like you know fucking my wife while I was in the next room and the other dude's like so my partner and I got to a public

like Donnie Brooke, but we were fine together. You know, people have ups and downs. Like, yeah, it makes sense. So the detective, Detective Twilock is like, you figured out the case. And I was like, I'm pretty sure I have. Which is that this dude is lying. He was out here stalking the guy for, you know, sleeping with his wife.

And he killed him. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Twilight Jedi is like, yeah, cool. That tracks. That's basically what I think happened to. Do you basically agree with like, you know, this solution we proposed or do you think we're missing anything? And it's like, no, it seems pretty good. The big reveals that the dude, he's been clutching his side the entire time.

And it turns out he's been like concealing a blaster wound. Yeah. This entire time. And it's because, you know, the hunter, like, accidentally shot him. basically you know the guy was like it was aiming at a bird and uh you know clipped him and so when you rest the when you rest the runner he's like you fools don't you see that the other guy was trying to kill was also out here to commit murder we were both here to commit murder on the same guy and he shot me because he got confused as to who was out there he thought it was just him

and his target but i already killed him he's as guilty as i am i just killed the guy first and like The Jedi you're with is like, you missed that, didn't you? Oh, I got that. Yeah, I also got that. I solved that missing piece. Oh, no, yeah. I let the other guy go away, and he was like, we'll just go get him. We'll bring him in.

We'll bring him in. Don't worry about it. Yeah, we were just testing you, and it's fine, and I knew it all that long, and, yeah, we'll go arrest him. Who's going to arrest it? There's no police force. The Jedi. First of all, they say, yeah, first of all, that makes no sense. First of all, they, the, the, Twilight tells you this guy is clutching his side, and the other guy is, uh, his legs fucked up or something.

Yeah, he's limping. And when the guy tells you, I was out here jogging, the fact that you can't bring up the fact that he has a side wound at that first point. It's really annoying. It's so. The first thing I'd be, I would say is like, hey can I see you're covering something up what's going on there that's the first thing I would do that it takes the whole thing until they show until you ask him to to show the side is like ridiculous it's so it's so silly but yeah so they both they both were trying to kill

this man this man really should have kept his business a little bit cleaner Uh-huh I would just go to a different room To fuck this other guy's wife I would go to a different house Yeah Go to the Jedi Island Clive Yeah

Yeah They got rooms Maybe it was there Maybe they were in rooms One and two And then you know Uh yeah What is going on

On Dan Tune This puppy You've been too bad You've been too bad Tilly You're in jail a little bit because it looks like you might have done something downstairs that was untoward. So you need to be on time out a little bit.

On time out, Tillie. Don't be a cat hound, Tilly. Don't be a cath hound. Stop being on a little cath hound. So, Natalie, how did you come across the info? Because this is the key of the case. And this is what the Jedi admonished me for. If you'd ask the droid,

he would have told you that those guys had, like, shady business arrangements that, like, they were falling out over. Yeah. and I talked to that droid between every like at no point I asked repeatedly about their relationship and like I never got the info that like oh yeah no they were totally having business problems there's if you talk to the droid and then talk to in some of like the same round quote unquote if you talk to someone and then talk to the droid and talk to that person again he will give you more information so in one of them I talked to the droid and he mentioned some of the about them having a history and I think I brought it up to the the perpetrator and I don't know if that's the right lingo Tom Natalie is locked on I apprehended the situation at a certain at a certain point a lightsaber blade sliced through the subjects was a lightaber blade

was deployed no but they yeah and so when you talk and he's like ah yeah I mean we've done some business dealings in the past but you know they're all behind or like something about that so that starts to unlock I think more information so I just kept bouncing back between the droid and each of the two people to see if they were giving me like new information and that seemed to work and then like I didn't really have it like quote unquote figured out I just followed the most logical prompt at a certain point and if you

the key was you had to have had someone tell you the key information and then once you go back to the guy it's like that the option is now there so that's how I figured it out with my so talk about Jedi persuasion and critical thinking

looks like looks like Tanna is doing pretty well with that and is continuing as a strong Jedi Knight Jedi counselor candidate so I would just

I would think DUPS might want to learn a thing or two from from Tanna and her and her work so fair play just say no it's

It's true. You expect a consular Jedi to do better than I did. And it sounds like you turned in the real performance they're looking for from that subclass.

It is such. So are those the big ones? And then the Mandalorian Raiders. You just kill a bunch of Mandalorians. They're out there. They're too strong. Nobody could beat them.

They're an endgame boss. There's like this Mandalorian captain who's got like two swords. Yeah, he does have two swords. And he can one hit you. And so, You just can't fight them until probably, like, the end of the game. You probably go back to Dan Tween before you go fight Malik, and then you can go up a little to take him on.

If anyone's looking for a second lightsaber, a third lightsaber, if you have Johani, that dude has a lightsaber on him from the dead Jedi. He's two. He's two. You're right. Yeah, I took those. Yeah. Just go feed him up with a hammer. Damn.

Dobs is having trouble, and, Allie, what's your character's name? Sane. Sane is showing up with a hammer and just going to town, damn. It was two lightsabers and a double-sided blade. Okay. The only other side thing here is that I remember is Crystal Cave.

You go into that Crystal Cave, you fight some Kinrath spider, like giant spider enemies, and then you get a bunch of lightsaber crystals. But don't you disturb their beautiful eggs. There's innocent life in those eggs. You don't get any dark side points. You fight them.

Yeah, you don't get any dark side points. Do you for killing the eggs? Maybe you get some. No, but you get like, you walk out of there with like 13 red crystals. Yeah, you do. Which like, I don't know what I need those for. That's a lot of red crystals. Can you sell them?

No, I, yeah, I really needed a grenade so I flipped all of them to the guy across with the horny lady. He was giving me like 50 credits of the apiece, which sucks. Yeah. You got to Yavin. You should take him to Yavin's got to, yeah. Yavins got the, yeah. Yavins buying.

Yeah, that guy across the way from the horny lady is so funny. The guy who's like, I'm here to, I'm here to help these fine people on dance. Tween, you know, stay safe. If you're not heavily armed, you're not something, something. He had like a whole little spiel about his noble purpose, you know? I bought some guns and maps from that guy.

He does have a bunch of stuff. He has a $15,000 heavy armor suit that is a Cassis Fett battle armor. It's so expensive. I need to look up like what the best armor is in this game, and is it worth saving up for this, or is there something better I should be

getting? Because it feels like a fun thing for Canderas to get. But once you've brought Johani back to the fold, you back to the Jedi Council, you know, give you these other quests and then like, but we need you to go into this temple where

we had the vision of Revan and Malik going inside and coming out changed. Which that vision, by the way, Malik is like, I don't know, boss. This seems real spooky. Maybe we shouldn't do this. it's very funny

and malick's the one who like leveled terrace right like yeah yeah yeah here very full little brother mode baby malick I don't know about this still has his jaw he doesn't have the robot bottom jaw that he has now and he does have like extreme little brother energy you know very much looking up to Revin I mean again we learn this again and again that like Revin Revin is the is that guy you know Reverend really is the one

and Malik like everybody else looked up to Revan and very much was like following in the footsteps of someone who was this prodigy you know so which is also part of why people don't

the council is worried about Bastila in some ways is that like Bastila does have a Revan like streak to her in that she is has a special power and people and he's like at the center point of the military effort and like hey this could all go wrong again you know

so perhaps there's some rhyming oh yeah there's kind of weird like uh basil is their ender right whereas like right we would we would have lost this war if not for the fact that this like lost Jedi skill just manifested and this kid can basically cause you know the entire republic fleet to fight with the strength of 10 Grinch's plus two like it's is that kind of thing yeah So you go to this weird crypt. Which I thought was a whole dungeon. Again, in my mind, I thought, all right, you go to the ruins,

there's a big dungeon, and you've got to fight a bunch of droids. Not true. It's a garage. It's four ruins or something. It's nothing. I don't know how Nemo met his fate here. How did he get fucked up?

Bro, you don't know that arboreal planets are the, are the, are the good seeds for, for? I just assume the droids. killed him. Yeah, because those toys are tough when you first walk in and they fight you immediately. I guess he was alone.

We have a whole party. Right, yeah. But he's a master. Blasters don't do anything. Which took me a while to notice, the candoris, like once everyone was down, and it's like candorce, you finish this guy off.

He's down like a couple hip moments. It took a little bit. It took, no, he was not, he was, nothing was getting through. Like nothing. You have to switch into Ion. Or ion. Oh.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I was doing, I was doing his, like, power up shot, and that would take four HP if it hit. Wow. So, it was difficult. And Bastila's droid stun was, like, not hitting it, like, those things were mostly saving against it. But I had a bunch of iron grenades, and once Duff started flinging those around, we started making some progress. But, like, but also, this, the turn had happened. Like, the party was very hard to bring down, because Duff.

could just keep casting heel. Right. And that was, like, that was keeping everyone on their feet. Like, that plus candorous, the party was effectively immortal. Yeah. For a lot of that. And yet, you go to these little terminals. And crucially, you meet a droid who's been left there for ages.

Thousands of years, right? The way he describes us he's been here for 10 full revolutions of the system's outermost planets, which Basil tells you, would be 20,000 years. and the Republic is only 15,000 years old. So this is a pre-Republic droid. Ancient aliens are here. It's by aware. I want to take him with me.

I don't trust him. He's kind of, yeah, he's got a tough gig. Like, he's like, I'm here, I'm an overseer. And I'm here to make sure the slave species. I'm taught to communicate to the slave species to make sure that nobody messes with the Star Forge. Yeah. He doesn't seem hostile He's just kind of like

This is my job I just wait for the What does he call them The precursors The builders The builders Yeah The enkindlers

The builders The Prothians The Yeah The forerunners The That's not bioware But you know

Still I am Trying to keep these dogs Separated is like my understanding is things did not go well downstairs so we're running a cool down here with tilly yeah uh and you're doing a good job is getting mighty bored but uh so yeah the um this droids here just like keeping keeping an eye on the work site for the for the builders and there's also these terminals that yes they ask little questions what are the life giving seed

world archetypes what are the death giving seed world archetypes and i will i'm with you natalie like it does not seem like the hardest challenge is like is a barren world a life giving it's like celebrity jeopardy tier questions like just trying to like lob one to you yeah I really hope that's not what got Nemo

I hope the wisest Jedi was not like arboreal yeah I hate trees trees have insects and insects kill you so that's death giving Well, I, okay, I fucked it up at first, and I feel kind of bad that I did. But I was like, I was like, people can't live in the ocean. Right, sure.

But it's life-giving. Right. And in Star Wars, yes, they can. I forgot that I was in Star Wars, and humans are not centric to Star Wars, despite what Star Wars things. Yeah, yeah. We're going to go to an ocean planet in this game. Sure. You know, deserts can have life.

Deserts do have life. We're going to go to a desert planet, maybe next. Perhaps. In fact, it seems like we might be going to one of each of these planets. Because at the end of the quest, you get a little world map, and it's like, I'll bet each of these planets has like a piece of the puzzle for the Star Forge. We got to go to all these quest locations. Find the map. It's going to locate the Star Forge.

Can I tell you the best thing about Nemo dying is you get his robe and you get his lightsaber crystal? Robs are really good for us now because there are certain force powers that you cannot use if you're in right. armor. So, like, The vassal and the end of the robe right away. Yes, we're basaline. The flesh-colored body suit was not working. I hated it.

It's really bad. And the robes will give you like plus one AC, which is not nothing. Like, it's not a ton, but it's something. Unlimited dex bonus, which is huge. It's so, so useful for you. And eventually you'll start getting them. I think that the one that, that he drops, maybe has a plus two defense, which is something.

It's useful to start getting those. And also those crystals, we didn't mention it before, but on top of the color crystals, this is also a game where you're like, the way same way that you upgraded your guns before with, like, I'm going to put a thing in that gives it a plus one to attack. There's all sorts of other lightsaber crystals that give bonuses like extra damage or extra to hit or extra blah, blah, blah. And so you start getting those from that cave and then also from Nemo's body. The one you get from Nemo's body gives you straight up an extra one to six, like one D6, like one D6. damage on every swing, and that's fucking good.

That's the crystal that does it? The crystal does that. So, yeah, make sure you go to the workshop. So you can change, okay. Because I got scared that changing the crystal was going to change my... Doesn't do shit. The color, you change, put whatever colors you want in, and then the extra crystals go in that give you buffs that are really good.

So make sure you always have a buffed-up lightsaber. That's the other thing about this game. It's why I'm not that worried about dups. There are a couple encounters that I'm a little worried about dup. But generally speaking, I'm not worried about dumps because the equipment in this game is just busted. Like, it's all the sort of stuff you would never give your D&D party because it would just break the scaling of the game. And so soon enough, you'll have some of that stuff. And it'll love them to it.

I'm just disappointed that none of this follows Zavi's lightsaber workshop roles. It's true. None of it does. You're right. So it predates it all, you know? So if we get to Cotor 2, which, by the way, SAGAFRA has not come to the, sorry, the NAPTP has not come to the, sorry, the NPP has not come to the. the table would sag after it in any way that makes us feel like we're close

to a deal. But Cotor 2 straight up has all the different lightsaber forms and you can be like good at certain forms and different forms have different like benefits and stuff which is really fun. So I think Coteur 2 is a better game in a lot of ways. Anyway,

you get the map and then go get the rest of the maps please. But you can always come back to Dantuin when you finally put on the levels and take on that mandol. Laurian captain. And also, you get Jahani. Jahani joins the party officially.

So you get another Jedi. And she's mostly light-sided, right? She's not as light-sided as Bastila on the chart, but she's like, leans that way, I want to say. Candorous remains our only evil guy at this point. I just don't think he's evil. And it doesn't matter because he doesn't do force stuff. So, like, his evil, again, I should say this, your light-side, dark-side.

meter makes abilities cheaper if they are light side or dark side abilities. So a Jedi can use force lightning, but it costs them a lot of force points. A dark Jedi can use cure, but it costs them a lot of points. Anybody can use the neutral ones for free. The way my character is built, I don't have good charisma or wisdom, really. I have like, okay charisma. And that means it's hard for me to do anything where someone has to roll a save against me. They're going to just win that save, and so I'm trying to spec into stuff that's like, run fast, attack more. Force speed is fucking broken in this game. If you have any, like, Allie, your melee-ish character, you should look into force speed.

It just gives you an extra attack every round, and that is just really fucking good. So there's some stuff there that, again, we can talk off Mike about builds and force powers and stuff like that, yeah. But in the meantime, I think that does it for this episode. Well, wait, there's one important thing. Did you all... Oh, God. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Oh, God. Did you... Did you get off planet and see the next Malik scene? No. Okay, we'll save that to talk about that. Okay. I can hear Tilly. Tilly is going wild.

Tilly really wants to go back and pick a fight with Mina. Don't do that. Mina's way bigger than you, Tilly. Yeah. Tilly stared at Mina and pissed all over the floor. And that's a fucking power move A real upset. So I am

I'm gonna So we'll be back next week With what plans are we doing next? Tatooee Yeah, where should we all go? Allie, Do you play ahead like we talked about maybe? I did a little bit.

I think I need like another hour or two to determine if Tatooine is going to be one episode or two So we will be able to announce that by the time This is released. Okay. So check the episode description about that. Right. We'll know by then.

By Friday, I will tell all of you with What we should be doing next. Because it's going to be Tatooine, but we'll see how dense Tattooine is. Tattooine, and then for people who want to play ahead, we'll probably do Kashik after that. We have two more party members to get, and they are on Tatooine and Kashik. So we'll probably do that route through. And again, go to Yavin, sell your stuff, buy some cool stuff, et cetera. I'm going to go back and kill those eggs so I can flip some crystals.

Wow. All right. Well, that's the agenda for next time. And remember if you want to support the show, you can do it so at patreon.com slash civilized. Until next time, please rate and review us on your podcast platform choice. And remember, I got to get the hell out of here. ...heenna... ...were...

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