A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 75: Kashyyyk (Knights of the Old Republic 06)

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

From week to week, from planet after planet, one thing has remained true about our journey through the Old Republic: Zaalbar has kept his lips sealed. Sure, he'll make you a grenade. But ask him about what he knows about a place or how he's feeling or, god forbid, what his home is like? Complete. Brick. Wall. Well that ends today, because we've landed on a little world called Kashyyyk. Time to find out if the saying is true: A Wookie can never really go home again. Next time: We head to the sea planet of Manaan. Make sure to take care of any non-Korriban multi-planet sidequests before you get the star map! Show Notes   Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Ricardo Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)  

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You got a bangor for you next month, folks. You got to get in on it. It's good. They're so good. And they're like increasingly relevant. I saw a film named in Cotor today. I have a stairway thought about the episode that people I've heard yet.

I'm just going to put it out there. You know, I was talking about like how every generation it feels like Jedi and Seth are getting diminished because like the old heads who really know the full power of the force and what's possible with it, keep getting marginalized by like upstarts and you know by the time we get to clone wars era all that cool Sith illusion sorcery force witch shit force witch shit things were gone different for palpatine palpatine's a trickster he's not illusionist

he doesn't know the illusions he doesn't know the old ways he doesn't know about making someone's tongue into a space eel he's so illusion just coated too wouldn't he want to do that to people yeah he's missing out he should learn those techniques No, see, he's Hugh Jackman in the prestige Like he's got the suit Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah He's got the stick, but he ain't got it like that Also, I feel like he kind of fumbled the bad bitch

Of Brother Talzin, who could have put him on that Illusion Magic shit, you know what I mean? They needed to come together They needed to, they needed to Just like in the prestige. Yeah, to be a one unit of force evil instead of being at odds with each other. This is the problem with the dark side of the force.

Nobody wants to team up. Everyone's just gunning for each other. Everyone wants to like solo the whole thing. It's like we're better together, guys. I feel like solidarity. Yeah. The Force Witches of Dathamira have you laid up talking about. Oh, so that's a force illusion?

Anyway, today we are on Kashik where not much ever changes in Star Wars. Here we find thousands and thousands of years ago, they're the wukies. They're resisting the encroachments of powerful slavers. And just trying to live in peace and harmony with their traditions and their treetop villages. Below them, as always, there's big monsters roaming the shadowlands, unwitting guardians of ancient secrets of the galaxy. What happens on Kashik is pretty straightforward. that we're talking about. So the Zirka Corporation has established a foothold on the planet

from which they've started a growing slave trade, as well as large-scale hunting of valuable animals. They're aided at this by wukies who live in the nearby village of Rukkru. Yeah, it's a lot of wiki names, and a lot of the wiki names ain't as simple as Chubaka. When wookies began, yeah, Rook-a-Roo. You go into Warwell's house, you go into Chunder. Do you make, okay, Chunder's pretty straightforward.

Chunder I get. But there's also Wurzner, the like lawgiver. Yeah. I don't know how to pronounce your name. I mean, I'm trying my best out here. Apologies. I don't, I wish we had rules on like, what do you do with multiple characters, like ours? Do you roll the R?

Because it's an emphasis. Is it rur? Because like Chubaka doesn't have one of these. It's like when you growl. Right. R-w-r-r. See, but that sounds. See, do you see how bad that sounds?

This is the thing. We do not speak. Shrewick. Shrewick. Right. We do not have the, you know, muscle discipline to be able to make these kinds of sounds. With train, like, you know, we need to simply. Cato can make a really good wookie sound.

Yeah. I believe that. Cato, could you, Cato, could you just drop in your Chubaka right here? Amazing. See, that's what I'm talking about. It's just unbelievable. Allie's laughing. Ali might not remember.

Cato has a back pocket shooting. They got it like that. They really do. I'm going to listen to this and make sure that I properly appreciate it. Good. I'm glad. What fucks me up is like, oh, I don't know how to pronounce a booky shit.

Is a plot point in this story? Yeah. Yeah, that makes me a thing. It's like, this is, this is thousands of years ago, right? Yeah. So like, is Chubaka even a traditional boogie? It is because it's the sort of Baca. We'll get to that.

We'll get to that. We'll get to that. That shit, I guess. He's like the coming of Baca. Calibur is a cargo car. Oh, okay. Well, sure. Yeah, there was the, I realized the Baca sword.

I get that connection. But like, is it a thing of like. The Bacca story. Animate Convention, 1999. Sorry. I was just sorry for spoiler. But, but, but, like, part of the, the, like, dialogue stuff that you have with people is, like, you know, your, when, um, wiki people try to pronounce, like, basic, they're like, this hurts me. And they're also, like, we don't make our language so you can say it, like, the secret to us. So, like, is, is the, like, ability to say Chewbacca, like, you know, over timelines of wookie's traveling off Kashik. They became, they became human, like, basic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a basic attuned dialect in some way. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. And they barely call him Chewbac. They call him Chewy. They do call him Chewy. They do call him Big Z.

But Zalbar. It's not Zalzab. You have to, after today, you have to put some respect on Zalbar's name. No, no, no, no. Look, this poor Madclaw, he don't even remember his name. He's like, I'm Zalbar. And it's like, no, my friend. You're Zalbar.

Zalzabar, remember who you are. Mad claw god. Okay, can you go back to your ruky heritage? All right. I'll let you go back to it. We'll stop in a rough. So Zirka is sort of, they've got a nearby village that is effectively a collaborationist village.

And that just happens to be the hometown of our friend Zalbar, who we learn is actually an exile charged with being a mad claw, a wookie who has descended to animal violence by using his claws in a strike on another on another wookie you're allowed to use your claws as tools you just can't use them as weapons importantly it's like air force one uh not air force one um con air rules carter rules sorry these are deadly weapons deadly weapons makes it be the shit that guy's just so much worse because like uh you got those you got these wookie clause what if in conair nick cage wasn't that his he was trained a trained martial artist and therefore his hands are deadly weapons and he was tried and put in jail forever? What if instead it was he had sick

claws? He just had wild fingernails and just kha, kha, kha, kha. Well, we just made the Wolverine prequel. We did, basically. It's coming. Anyway, it turns out the person that Zalbar lost his shit on was his baby brother, Chunder. All right, it's Chunder, but Chunder's funny. So he found out that Chandar was helping the Zerka set up their operation but nobody believed the word of a mad claw. So Zalbar was exiled to a life of being called

Zalzabar or big zin and kept in thrall by a tweenager and meanwhile Chandar rose to be the villas chief. Hey, what happened to his dad? His dad will get to that. When we go to Rukaru or whatever, he takes

Zalbar into custody and sends the players party on a mission to kill a rogue wookie in the shadowlands far beneath the treetops. Once we get down there, the party's going to learn a lot about Chandar and his rise to power, as well as find the final member of our party for this game. I believe that's true. A Jedi who doesn't play by the order's rules. That's right.

We got a real one to hear now. An old man who tells it like he sees it. I love him. See, the Jedi Council just needed more fucking coddress. It fucking does. This is the like, Yoda, old dude, not a codger. I said some shit at the end of the quest line here. There's a big confrontation.

And one of the lines you can say is, I don't care. Will somebody do something, basically? And when I said that, Jolese said, hey, that's my line. And I was like, you're staying in the party, my man. Yeah, we'll get there. Gen. Grand Torino is great. It's good.

So let's get into it, because I think, like, so much is going to happen. Obviously, we're going to put things right down in the shadowlands. Oh, yeah. And there's going to be big things that are coming to a head with Chandar and Zalbar. But let's just get into the overall vibe of making Planetfall because it feels a lot like tattooing at first. You got a little docking over a conversation. Wait, real quick. We have to do an update or because, like, did anybody go meet Bastel his mom?

Like, before we get into. Yes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, I should also say, I should give a disclaimer. So I did not play this portion tragically. And after finishing, oh, okay, I knew that when... Oh, no, did you spoil yourself?

No, no, no, no, no. I'm safe. I'm safe in that realm. But I knew I... Okay, so my wrists aren't doing well. I just can't, I couldn't get through the segment in time. And I have to do more strict. wrist rest. So I watched

a play through that Austin sent me. Shoutouts to user Gameplay Share on YouTube. Yes, and to his player character, Luke Vacanta. Yeah. Who I remember once read as Luke Vigata, which I prefer.

I would prefer, I don't know. Luke Vacanta sounds like a car that basically put GM out of business in the 70s. And then they released the Luke Vaconta. And John Deloria was shortly thereafter booked on charges

of malfeasance and two auto company shut down. My fear with watching a playthrough for a game like this

is that the playthrough would make the player would make decisions that I wouldn't necessarily make

right and you know none of us are going like too dark-sided um we've all kind of

been in this Luke is evil as fun And Luke did every evil thing. There's a lot of evil choice. Do you kill all the little monkeys? Yes. Yes.

He did all of the shit. And so in a way, I'm glad to have the perspective of that just for reference. And I can supply it now. I came to this planet wanting to be darksided, thinking there'd be a space for, you know what, fuck these guys, kill them where they stand. And there's a little bit of that up top. But then, like, the dark side answers are really, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to work with the slavers. Kill all the goodies and side with the slavers joyously.

And that's not really what I was looking for. I was looking for the sort of like, oh, is this a moment of like righteousness turned into pulling yourself down on the dark side? You know? Right. Right. Exactly. So I'll be able to give that perspective throughout this, throughout this planet. But yes, I did.

Well, actually, no, I did it. because I was no I did it I didn't see her her mom okay I did I didn't so I need I need the mom I need Rob you met his mom you met her mom you met old uh what's her name uh helena no helena helena something like that helene yeah she's uh she's got three martini mom vibes she sure does the way I would put it uh so I did yeah right after right after our last show I was like stop everything from going back to tattooing. I'm walking around town with Bastila

and we got the like hey Bastila you should like you know your mom's here right you should go check it out and Bastila's got the whole like weird energy around like I don't want to deal with this like there's a lot of context of my family and I'm trying to you know I'm just trying to live

my Jedi life and put all the stuff behind me and then you find her mom in the bar and her mom is like well look who it is it's my ungrateful faithful daughter your old lady needs her

needs your help Bastila but she's also posh like she's at once like at she's like sort of she's at once fallen on hard times

in part because Bastila's treasure hunter archaeologist father seems to have gotten himself gotten her treasure hunter archaeologist father

who is only doing it apparently because her mom made him go out and get treasures so she like could have money i don't know i think that that kind of gets walked back in the light side ending of that quest did you what did you sure i haven't resolved yet i've just done the setup yeah i'll give you a pick i'll give you a pick god the face on this picture is impeccable get ready what a scowl on her oh my god yeah uh-huh And they go right into it. Like it's,

what I do like about it is Bastille instantly regresses to a angry teenager. Yeah. And like you're just standing there as suddenly like, it's ancient family arguments just break out anew. It's the most you're with your partner when something turned and like the, their relationship, their real relationship with their parents comes out.

And like the facade drops and everyone trying to play nice for the weekend. You know what I mean? And then like, you know that conversation that we've left dangling? for years. We're just going to pick it up right now. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yep. Yep. So you didn't finish it, but it's on Tatooine. Duff had to make a little, Dups had to make a little errand. Oh. Where Dups go? So Dup's was making two, it was just too hard to make progress in this game. Yeah, sure. So Dups had to go to Yavin. Oh, yeah. And buy himself the exoskeleton. Okay.

with the built-in stat buffs across all the things that aren't Dup's core specialties. Yeah. You dropped a couple of stacks on this thing. This thing's expensive. I did. And you know what? Since then the game's been a fucking breeze. I love this like. I love it. Just walked over Kashik. Allie and I were talking about, well, so first of all, I think Kashik is like genuinely half as hard as Tatooine. Because the sand people were all. I loved. like giving me trouble like a lot on tattooing fucking sprinted through chic like it was not a problem i had such a hard time i'd be chic i couldn't get those dark jett i was doing that for i texted you all and i was like i can't record you like can't beat these guys you're like it's done for me it's like a dark side love i'm playing arbor court right now i don't know what's happening

and then i couldn't get past the um the mandolorean dudes either i kept getting yeah i kept getting waxed by them. Okay, wait, wait. You knew you could put your weapons back on, right? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. But also, like, the tough thing about Khashik is that, like, movement is so limited, which I think is sort of interesting in terms of, like, this is a place you're not

supposed to be. But, like, let me switch my party. Oh, right, right. So the thing you're talking about here is you can't fast travel back to the ship at all. Oh, my God. There's nowhere you can do it. You can do it in the village. And when you're already...

Okay, you do it in the village. Yeah, you do in the village and the... And you can change, sorry, you can change companions in the village and change companions in the landing area. But you can't, can you fast travel back to the ship from the village? I think you can just change companions. It's so annoying. It's so annoying.

I was so flabbergasted by the, by the playthrues. Like, I was like, I would be going home. Like, I would be going back to the ship after everyone. Like, I could not understand why this person was, like, running through med, hacks. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, I think partly the thing that's happening is my build came together.

I am now just like, I got master speed, which is the fifth level, the highest level speed thing, which is just broken. Like, the truth about D&D, which this is, is that if you can do five attacks per round, which you can do, if your, so my character, dual yields, does master flurry and has master force speed. Flurry. Basically, the Jedi I was during our Jedi Academy. Right.

Yes, exactly. During our duel. This is just a threshing machine. Yeah, 100% that, Rob. Like, it is, so the way it works is you have a second, you've an offhand weapon that's an extra attack every turn at a slight negative, which at this point, I have mastered two weapon fighting, so whatever, it's nothing. Then I have Flurry, which adds another attack on top of that, and then Master Speed adds two more on top of that. So it's five attacks per round every round. And it's just like, good fucking luck, dude. Like, there's nothing anyone can do against that, especially now that I have Jolie, who is using force. insanity, a real power he has, to instantly stunlock whole groups, which means that they can't defend. And I think it's like auto-critz on some of them, right? I'm doing like 80 damage a turn at this point. It's nothing. And so, like, obviously this is the OP build. This is like the cheesiest thing in the world.

I'm doing this so that I can like pay attention to the rest of the game in some ways because I've played this game a bunch already. But it didn't come together in the way that it has until this second. And I think that's largely because Joe Lee is actually the one who's, like, enabling it and, like, topping me up with HP and, like, making it be, making me be survivable. I'm leaning him all the way into support class, basically. Also, he's a gray Jedi, which we'll get to. But, like, that means he's the only Jedi in your party who can, like, unless you go dark side. He's the only one who can, like, use dark side powers that don't cost him a fortune.

And insanity is a dark side power. But it's, like, kind of cheap to use for him, right? that's the way the powers work. We haven't really talked about this too much. But force powers, anybody can use any force power. It just costs more force points to use, more mana to use. So if you're like all the way light-sided, for instance, your force powers cost like twice as much or something, right? So like force lightning, if you're truly neutral costs 20 to use.

But if you're all the way light-sided, it costs 35 to use. And if you're all the way dark-sided, it only costs 10 points to use. And so Jolie is like right down the middle. And let me tell you, force insanity, again, a real thing is only 10 points. That's easy. That's easy for him to do. And it makes him, what it does is it makes, let's see here, this power causes enemies to cower in fear of the attacking Jedi unless they make a will save.

It doesn't affect droids. And it means that for 18 seconds, all they can do is go, uh-huh. That's forever. It's forever. It's for fucking ever. And it's everybody within 10 meters of him. So it's just like he does that and then I go

like it's nothing. Anyway, Rob, I'm glad the exosuit is working for you. Well, that and the, like I'm also just rolling through like stunning people. Yes. And so like the amount of all these fights became really easy for me because like very rarely

can anyone make a save against the, you have such high. power. Right, right, yes. And so, and it's rare, especially against like the Mandalorians. You never encounter that many of them in a fight. And it's always groups like three, I think, on Kashik. And so like, as long as Dup's can like get a few steps clear of some people and stay on his feet long enough to start the like rotation. And it begins to feel very much like cheesing MMO encounters. Yeah. Where it's like between Dups and Jolie, who also has, yes, these like stun lock abilities,

uh, it is frequently like three on one, uh, battles that we are just like rotating through. Yep. I have to warn you of something. I'll tell you about the hardest fight we had when we get to it, uh, because it was not one that expected to be a nightmare, but, uh, it was. Uh, I have to warn you. So you said, you're able to stasis people really effectively, right? Yeah.

If you level up stasis one more time to stasis field, that is a, restricted by armor ability, and you'll have to take the exosuit off to use it. So that single target, and you can't choose to use a lower level version of a spell or a force ability. It's stupid. So you can't, so if you go up to Stasis field, it turns into the big AEOE one, and that's restricted by armor. But if you keep it at Stasis, you can use that the whole game without that changing.

Except the exoskeleton is a light armor. It doesn't matter. Any armor still is armor. I ran into that. It's very silly to me. You know, there are ways around this. There are things that you can, like, you can build a character around the non.

Like, there's plenty of abilities that are not restricted by armor, right? Cure is not restricted by armor. I want to say the... Whirlwind sure shit ain't. Worldwind is not... Which is hysterically funny. Force wave is not.

Yep. Makes a character go up and it spins the model around a good, whoa, whoa. It's so funny. So, yeah, like, you'll be able to use those. still indefinitely. In the top level of that, force wave is also not, not restricted my armor, but I kind of don't like it as much. Force wave is like force push, but it hits, so it's a, it's like an AOE again. I want to say it hits everybody within, in front of you or everybody

around you or something, but it just knocks them down for six seconds, whereas Force World Wind is like, you're out of the fucking fight for 15, 12, 15 seconds. And Johani, Johani does that a lot. She's really good at it. Yes. She manages to pull that off. When a character is stun locked, when a character is just like stunned, there to hit number goes down, right? Like there's a, there's a, because like the, I can use the improved crit attack and that

thing connects like so easily. Right. When someone is that is, that is exactly what I think is the case. I think that the way it works, I should just double check this for us, but I believe that if you are days, I mean, this is the way that you could make mission really good is you can make her be a backstabbing beast because she's a she's a scoundrel or whatever. And scoundrels get the backstab damage or the sneak attack damage on anyone who is disabled. And so if you have my, this is my strut.

Yeah. Yeah. So if you're doing that like force stun stuff, all of her hits are getting double damage or whatever, basically. They're auto-criting. I think for most people, I'd have to double check the way that stuff works for sure. let's see, debilitated, here we go, debilitated penalty results in negative four defense. So if they're stunned or if they have been force pushed or if they have been plasma or cryogenated, it's a minus four from any of those things. And then, this doesn't matter, but it's funny, if a character who's under level five is debilitated, then any melee attack that hits them just instant kills them.

We don't find a lot of things under level five at this point. But, you know, so yeah, it makes you way easier to hit, basically. And then, yes, if you have sneak attack because that was your like background, that's also triggering and fucking people up. So that's one way to play this game. While we're doing a build check in, I'm in kind of a weird place right now because I accident, well, not accidentally, but I got a bunch of light sided points on Kishik, even though I went on to Kishik fully in the red. But I'm still sort of towing the line right now So what I use a lot is I'll do stasis I'll do heal

But I also just got force choke Let's go And it's just fun to do It's just fun to do Dioly's got forced kill And I was like Damn you use a force kill on Jolie We're gonna do this

Yeah Yeah young blood Hop in I'll show you how you think is around my way So he's like Throw Caves in Oh Here's what I'm like about

Can you imagine Plocoon trying to do the Emerald Justice thing with Jolie where it's like I know lightning when I see it Look you don't have to be ashamed It feels good to elect to Q people When they really got it coming

Do you know do you remember when Denzel was getting interviewed by Jamie Fox And he was talking about going the Oscars and not Winning and then go into the after party and being like Nah got a dip I don't want to hang out I didn't win But then he's like he took a bunch of food from the food trays before he left and he's like, you know, I decided I'm leaving here with something.

You know what I mean? I'm from around the way. I'm leaving here with something. That's tomorrow's lunch. That's exactly. That is Jolid to me. Jolene is really real. Jolita me has been in the world.

He is not out here to like, yes, he'll give you, he'll impart some wisdom. But yeah, he'll use force choke. I'm trying to kill this guy. Why don't we not use force kill? All right. Now we got to get, because we're getting to character stuff about this man. You're right.

You're right. So we should, let's go back to, to Keshik landing pad. Yeah. And it's like, Kishik, Kishik. People say it different. Okay. But it's like, you know, first it feels a bit like tattooing,

you know, company town, Zirka landing pad. Like, let's find out what's going on. And then like 20 feet off the landing pad, the vibe gets weird. All the Zerka people, are more controlling and aggressive than they were on tattooing. Like, and then there's the fact that like, oh, yeah, we're doing a slave trade here. And the portmaster, like, like, brings you down to the office to check you in. And you're hanging out in the office and you look over and there's a weird little, like, dog pen.

What's in there, Rob? On the floor. It's what appears to be a tranked wookie. At least I hope he's tranked because that cage is not big enough to stand up in. No, it's fucked up. It's no space for a wookie. I wouldn't want to put a dog in that cage. No.

No. I wouldn't. Let alone a wookie. Scary. And then like all the guards are super agro. Well, and you run into the indentured servant who's like, oh yeah, we, we're not even just doing wookie slavery, which like, I don't want to draw the line there and say, wookie slavery okay, human slavery, bad. Some people would. Some people would draw this line.

But Zirka doesn't even do that. Zirka knows that they have to dress it up a little bit. But this isn't Zirka though, is he? He's just like a weird. This guy's also a merchant. Oh, is he not a Zirka guy? He's like, no, this is just how he'd pay off my debts. Apparently, they classify this as standard trading rules.

I don't think it is. Especially when he's like, okay, so the setup of the situation is that there is this merchant guy and this guy who works for him, quote unquote, because the guy who worked for him's friends owes a debt to that dude and didn't come back. Yeah, this guy, Eli, Gand has a servant named Matten. And, yeah, Eli is like, Matton's friends owed me money. And they disappeared. And until they come back, he's going to work for me.

And then you can be like, surely he's paid off this debt before. Or surely I can give you some money. And he's like, no, I mean, obviously his work is more than the debt was. But he has to stay here. And I was like, okay. I'll see you later because then, I guess. Well, and you're like, Matton, like you could just leave, bro. He's like, no, I couldn't.

That's not trade guild rules. And it's like, man, help me out, man. Like, look, not to victim blame, but there's a lot of people on Kashik who it's like, man, just like help yourself. Like just do something different. Well, I will say I will say you can encourage

someone to do that a little bit later. You can encourage a certain group of people to do just that and it doesn't end well for them. So. Okay. We'll talk about it. We'll get there. Interesting. I did not end up saving Matten.

I'll get to tell you the truth. I found the evidence that he'd been fucked over. You will later on down on Shadowlands find a robot, a droid head that has a recording of his people being basically screwed over, you know? Eli assassinations him. He murdered. He actually killed them.

I wasn't paying too much. The droid their bodies nearby. Yeah. It's like, great. But Eli, the whole time, he's like, yeah, his friends will come back sometime, but he's just getting, I'm getting so much out of this. I love this guy. He's a great mechanic.

I never want him to leave. And I'm like, okay, you killed people. Yeah, obviously he's definitely. I remember that he'd manipulate the situation. I forgot that he actually just straight up killed them. But by the time I got back up to where Eli and Matt and were, they were long gone. Something happened. Wait, why?

I did also fail to turn this in. Wait, why? The clock ran on that. Oh, it's different. It's different between the video, some different shit played out over on our side. The movie I watched was, was he still hanging around up there? Yeah, he was chunned. He was like, hey, need to buy anything else?

Yeah, we'll get there. All right. Oh, my God. You could use a nice wookiee. What else is happening up here on the top layer before you get, we get down? We get some classic, kha-chihuniga. You kind of had that down. I wrote a down.

Oh, I have a question. Would you rather work for Zerka or a hut? Well, these huts? 100%. The huts in the same? These huts? these huts are like they're all

like first generation mafiosi where it's like basically a guy around the neighborhood is a little shady but like sort of runs things and yeah I wouldn't like Zirka versus Java that's a harder question

but these huts are neighborhood hut I know I've loved every hut we've met me too they're frankly kind of straight shooters like they're trying to get They're trying to get theirs. Even like tattooing race fixing hut. Yeah. He's like, look, the only upside this is like, I get the management rights for any stars

who emerge from this thing. But running the rest of this is expensive as hell. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, it makes sense to me. They also aren't really extending out of their little niche. I think this is like, this is what they're like their local kind of crime, crime guys. but it's like, it's, it's all very within reason. Right, like, we don't even, we keep hearing about the exchange, but like, is that a hut enterprise?

Is that other people? I don't feel like it isn't, because, like, Davick is, like, the guy we meet associated with the exchange. He ain't a hut. He ain't a hut. I will tell you, in Cotor, too, there's some more exchange business, some fun stuff. Oh, shit. Yeah, but no, I'm, I'm digging the huts in this game. Did you all expect to be called a wookie lover repeatedly?

No, that was surprising. I was going to be called that because it's true. I got no shame. I got no shame. The exact line that this rando guard uses is I was trying to talk to him. I was like, tell me what's up with this planet, what's going on? And he said, you're the wookie lover. Why don't you tell me about them?

I'm sure you're really close friends. What are you insinuate it? What is that tone? It's so weird. What are you, what? You, okay, okay. I see what you're doing. Fuck off.

And then there is, of course, the other big recurring thing up here, which is everybody you talk to is like, I'm just an employee. It's not me personally. I just represent. There's a guy that you can meet who's like the. The lab guy. The lab guy who's next to the wookie cage. And when you talk to him about the situation, you can be like, they're going to kill

you eventually. And he's like, well, it's not me. Personally, I just represent Zerker Corporation at this outpost. It's all very humane. And, like, the, they are really doubling down on the idea of, like, banality of evil, the kind of deferral of responsibility, you know, everybody is just an employee. The second you go through into the, what is it, the high path or whatever, the, the Skywalk area. Yeah, yeah. You run into a group of Zerka troops who were like, I think they're standing over a day.

dead wookie. And they're like, ah, shit. Like, this has gone bad. And I think the way I resolved that was like, I convinced them all. I was like, this is a bad posting. Like, this is, like, you're in deep shit here already. Uh, because like, you kill the wookie and the wookie is more valuable than you guys are. Uh, because the company doesn't care about you either. And it's only a matter of time before this all goes bad. You like, you guys should just, you guys should just bounce. Just skip. Just leave. And that was the good, that was the good guy response was like literally helping a bunch of cops, like standing over a dead guy. And you have to be like, you have to be like, Zalbar, let me handle this.

Honor my request. I asked you to let me handle this. You get light side points. You, so he goes, they say like we should just put you, you know, we had to put it down. And Zalbar says, you put it down. We're not animals. And the two options that I got were Zalbar, let me handle this. Or does that make you mad, Zalbar?

I bet it does. And if you say Zalbar, let me handle this, he goes, but their disregard for the life of this rookie is too much. And your light side response is, I've asked you to let me handle this, honor my request, which is so demeaning. I think this whole section has like bioware brain, like protagonist disease, like big time, down to the very final big story ending choice that you get. But it's so, so shitty.

Yeah, I, well, So I kept having this problem with Kashi because I was like trying to tow the line between being a dark-sided character and saying mean responses and like accidentally getting light-sided points or not getting anything because like the the quest would just sort of end in a fight and nothing really would happen. And I because I had because I couldn't do the Dark Jedi and I had to play this bit twice, I got the dark-sided ending, which you get for telling Big Z like, yeah, doesn't that make you mad? let's just kill them. And then you get dark-sighted. But then you can say, um, uh,

hey, let me take care of this and then immediately say something aggressive that ends in a fight and then you don't, it's like a neutral ending, but it's the same exact thing that happens. There's an even more dark side thing. Now, your video do that even more dark-sided?

Yeah, you can shake them down for money. Um, you can tell them like, hey, if you guys don't want this going on your record, you need to pay me, a lot of money and I won't like go report it upstairs or whatever and the guy's like

ah okay well well you know we don't want this on our records like this this you know wookie this rebellious slave wookie slave by the way I don't know if we made that clear that he this wookie was killed because he was a rebellious slave um and zalbar it was I was destroyed I was so glad wasn't my Tena standing there doing this to Zalbar She would never She would never

The Zalbar says to Luke he's like You lied to gain profit From the death of this wookie You may as well kill him yourself And I was like Fuck I was freaking

Oh God it sucks It sucks I really It sucks I'm sorry that I'm looking You watch the worst No, it's totally fine because it, I mean, it's fascinating that this is in the game. Like, it's fast, especially with the way that the player character is watching, how he ends up navigating the sort of village politics and stuff like that.

It just, it is like a giant power fantasy. It's, it's so, it's so bizarre. And it, and again, like a lot of the options. that you have, none of them are necessary, like, none of them are giving me the, like, let's, I stand with wookies, like, Zalbar, you're righteous and your, in your anger here. Like, you, there's none of that. And that's, that's a really tough thing to grapple with, was a really tough thing to grapple with in this section, because I genuinely thought it had like a really, could have had a really

compelling solve here and I mean I'm curious Yeah I'm curious where you guys went This particular No I just mean

On the chic in general Yeah we'll talk about What the light side Even neutral Ending is because they But I also I also wanted to Talk about the

The fact that The planet name That the Zerker Corps Has given It's Well, first, the first guy that greets you, the authoritarian, he's like, welcome to G5-623. And then there's a basic name that they've given it called Edian or Adian. It's Edine, I think, is what they end up saying out loud, yeah.

Edine. And when you talk to the lab technician about like why is it named Edine, he's like, oh, yeah, that was just chosen by corporate ballot amongst stockholders, which is like so... That's wild. What? Yeah. Yeah, it's good. It's, yeah, it's...

Oh, I need to correct something from last time that I didn't realize at first. We talked about the stuff that the sand people tell you about their history and about... Oh, yes. And in that, there's the bit where HK is like, they might get mad if you try to say that, you know, the people here today are like, are like them. is what he says. And at the time, or are related to them in some way. At the time, I thought that was, are like the builders. There's a connection between the builders and the humans from the Zirka Corporation. What's actually being implied there, because I went back and re-read it, is that the sand people could be, one way to read this, is that the sand people are the first

humans, and that all of the humans descend from them, and that if you, you're not, if you try to make that case to them, they would reject that specifically. And that's what I misunderstood. I misunderstood that particular breakdown, which is like, you know, expands the entire thing that's kind of happening there quite a bit because it's like, oh, the actual story here is that like not only was Tatooine ruined, but in the process of being part of this, like, whatever the empire of the builders is, that is where humanity can. comes from. And that exact line is, um, uh, yes, here we go. Uh, I want to ask something

about the outsiders. And HK47 says, um, uh, clarification. They appear to hate humanity with a passion only rivaled by their hatred of the builders. For some reason, you resemble what they once were. And the they and that is not the builders. It's the sand people. Perhaps there is a lingering fear that you are their tainted selves returning from exile among. the stars, which is interesting. That to me is fun. Like there was some sort of like division of like the, you know, the sand people themselves that led to that led to the, you know, the argument is that the tribe spread far apart,

not just on Tatooine, but across the stars. And that they stayed on Tatooine the holy ground and didn't change, right? which is, you know, one of the correct steps. Since this, again, is an entire planet about indigenity and Zerka showing up and stepping on everything. And, you know, they kind of hit these plots back to back, but in kind of different ways, right? Also along the way, Zalbar starts, like, doing the whole every five steps. Like, oh, gee, I thought, I don't know. I want to see people around the house.

There's something I need to tell you, Dops. And it's like, lay it on me, Big Z. And he's like, I'm a mad claw. Yeah, you are, big guy. Yeah, you are. You want some wings? Yeah, I was going to say. This whole time, we were like, why doesn't Alvar talk to us?

And he's carrying all this shame. Yeah, he is. The fact that he opens it with like, I didn't prepare you for Kashik, but really the truth of it is, I don't know if I've preferred myself. and it's oh it's so rough did Luke McContas say like well you better get fucking ready guy was he rude as Albar no he was kind of fine

he got more evil as we went he was like pretty nice as Albar and then just became super fucking evil as soon as there was like money involved which clearly it didn't based on his credit count doesn't seem like he sold his bonds oh this is actually the thing

in the playthrough that I was watching, he went to Khashik first before Tatooine. Before Tatooine. So Calo Norde shows up on Kashik. But his buddies are Wookiee. Oh, interesting. There's like, there's corrupted, no. It's like

dark wookie. It's so wild. But anyway, so Zalbar's story is that his brother sold him to slavers or his brother had made a deal with slavers and Zalbar tried to warn his dad who was the chieftain at the time and his dad didn't believe him because of being a mad because he attacked his brother Chundar came back and was like he attacked him with his claws he's a mad claw which undercuts Zalbar's testimony because that's the worst sin. I see, I see, I see. A frustrating thing with all this. Yeah. Is Zalbar's like, I'm a mad claw.

No, I deserve this exile. And it's like, bro, you were framed. You were fitted up. And also, like, if anybody has ever been deserved, if anybody has ever had, getting clawed to death coming, it's your brother who's like selling his fellows into slavery. Yes. And for sure.

And Zalbar is like, I'm just too ashamed to function down here. And I'm like, all right. the um the gas lighting is real on uh for sure in fact can i tell you the biggest version of it which is a bug in my game i was rolling with mission and and zalbar here and when you step onto the great walkway and start heading towards the the wookie village um you get to a point and normally what happens is zalbar will be like can you sense it the wind the sound the smells. And he's like, I, we made it away from the space port. This is home. I'm not ready. The stuff that we were just talking about. But what triggered for me was mission saying,

I never thought I'd seed the big trees. Zalbar stories didn't do it justice. This is incredible. I wish he was here to see this. He'd want to see this, you know. And I'm like, Mission, he's in this cut scene. That's so funny. Oh, no. It's so extreme gas lighting. Hey, this is a very mission thing to do. Let's pretend We can't see Zalphe. Hey, let's just pretend that, like, nobody can hear him and, like, nobody can see him. Like, he's invisible. The wind, oh, it sounds like the wind is here, but I don't hear a wookie.

You hear something? Yeah, I smells bad, though. Basically, every other character, this is a way to be like, hey, you should probably get Zalbar for this. Every other character, basically that, everyone, like, Karth and Johanee and Bastilla all have a thing that's like, ah, this place is cool. I wish we had Zalbar here to talk to us about it. Like, go get Zangbar, you is. You're on the Zalbar planet And that's that's funny to me

So you You go along the Great Walkway And you fight the The kith or whatever it is They're Little bugs They're little manteses And they ain't shit

Especially with my exosuit And there's like Flying bats also The Mike Hall Right So then they gotta come down The lightsaber range I wouldn't

I wouldn't I'd just stay away stay away from the maybe it's like a moth to the flame type situation like oh what's that glowie thing wrong either way they don't really like leverage the positive the the the the possibility the flight affords them tactically uh you get to you know you run into some uh zirko randos across along the way but the big thing is eventually you get to the village and they keep referring to if you want access to the rest of the great walkway or the shadowlands you got to talk to the chief.

And you get to the village and the chief is chandar. Uh-huh. Which surprises Zalbar. Feel like it shouldn't have. But he's stunned. What do you mean chandar is here?

And okay, what's so funny is when they meet first, every other wookie is like, they're like big dogs. Chandar is like, what if there was a cat who was a wookie? Like the strong, like evil cat vibes from chandar but he's also got he's got like wookie short man issues is kind of the issue

too where like there's a bit of oh well things have changed since you've been away brother mighty chandar keeps his people safe yeah and and solvers like but you're the run and i'm like here we go oh yeah here's the heart of it is here is here is the issue yeah yeah it's it's uh worth saying that earlier when you're talking to one of the zirker Corp, they say that the leader of the wukies here, Chandar, has been teaching, has been teaching people basic, but they can't speak basic. They can just understand basic. And then in this conversation with Chandar, you can ask him about that. And he's like, yeah, I've had my people trained in basic. I tell them it's to better understand the enemy. They think it'll make the Zerka easier to fight. It actually makes them easier to obey. Bro, there's a mad rookie in the room. Like, what are you, what is going on here? This is like a, this is a, he has made this whole, you know, Rob, you call it a collaborationist earlier.

And that's kind of what it is, right? He makes an argument throughout this on and off that it's about like, oh, this is the best way I could protect the most amount of people. Hey, if I didn't kind of deal with the Zorka, they would have come in here, blasters blast in, and we'd all be dead or we'd all be in slavery. Now, I get to be in power and, you know, we get to, like, manage and make sure that our village gets to stay the way it is, which is like a classic argument for collaborating with, with, you know, outsiders who are here to take your shit, right? And the vibes in the village are poisonous. Like, I mean, you can see the village is physically safe, but it is already, like, everyone you meet, it's just a miserable place, just a, just a rancid town. because and what's so funny here is so on the one hand

there's this big to agree it's like the whole foundation of chendar's reign is built on a lie right like Zalbar is set to the side when you meet him he sends you down into the shadow lands to look for this road wookie

I don't think you know who it is at that point do you no you've no idea but no one will tell you there's like you can talk to people in the village to be like hey I heard that there's a rogue wookie down there or something And they're like, eh, yeah, it's not We don't want to talk about it And he's just like, go down there and kill that wookie for me And then we can we can do business

And I'll let I'll let Zalbar go Though I think doesn't one person say like He sent you for this We should be, our hunters should handle The Mad Claw situation That's not, we shouldn't be farming this out And there's a lot of that style of like Hey Chandar

You know, he keeps us safe. I can't, I can't say he doesn't keep a safe comma, but, you know, one day there'll be a different tribal ruler. And, you know, maybe that'll be better. Yeah, it's an interesting area because what you can end up doing is using a lot of force persuade to be like, tell me how you really feel. Yes. And a lot of it is like, well, you know, it is what it is essentially. Like, I, you know, everybody treats you with such aggressive aggression at first. And, like, it is what it is. Don't question our ways.

But once you, you can manipulate their mind to have them be honest with you, they reveal that, like, yeah, this isn't really the way that we want it. But it's the way that it is. Basically, everyone knows what Chundar is doing. Like, his whole, like, ha, ha, I tricked them all. They'll basically know the bind they're in. Yeah. They just think that, like, okay, I guess I can see how this math works out for us for

now. And I'm really afraid of what Zerner. would do if we, I mean, there's a specific thing that they say, which is like, listen, you think we didn't try to push back? Every time we kill someone from Zorka or attack someone from Zorka, they come get more of us. They come kidnap more of us and sell us into slavery. And those numbers don't add up. And so we don't really know what to do except kind of keep it going the way it's been going. And that I think is, yeah, I think that there's a lot in in relationship to the Sand People stuff. And the same people stuff is like, the same people

are a fucking monolith, right? Like, there is the chief and there is the guy who knows all this stories, the elder who knows all the stories, but they don't, there's no internal politics of the sand people. You kind of gestures at the idea that there are different types because they're the ones of like the Eastern Dune Sea or whatever versus the ones that you meet at first. But they don't have, there's no internal politics, there's no internal narratives happening. Here we at least get, oh, here's an indigenous group of people who have like beliefs and have debates and have like some of them want this person to be a hero and some of them don't and this person follows this person. And I think that that's like an important, not corrective to

the previous, you know, stuff. But like, it's another version of that same story, but where the focus is shifted from Anchorhead into the village, so to speak, from the, from the Zerk. There's like no Zirka stuff here, whereas Anchorhead is the focal point of all the storytelling in, in Tatooine. Here, the focal point is the village and then the Shadowlands, right? Yeah, I also, another thing of, like, Chandar's manipulation that I think is interesting to Natalie's point of him, like, just being open around.

other wookie and having Zirka Corp guys like in his chieftain tall is like one of the things that he says is that like I would specifically take my political enemies and either put them into slavery or get rid of them so you know one hand washes the other so everybody's cool with me so like the idea that like if there was any or I guess you see this but if there was a rebellion that he would just be able to like hand them over to the Zirka or you know that That's a big part of what he's doing as well. Yeah, absolutely. The village is also sort of in semi-morning, or at least parts of it are,

for one of their mightiest hunters. Raur-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r- has gone missing. You find his little buddy hanging out at his house. Like, where could Raur-R-R-R go? Where could he be? He was going to teach me to be big and strong and be a mighty hook, a mighty wiki myself one day. But now he's missing.

And also everyone's like, Rowerer is like, you know, it doesn't seem likely that he would have gone missing in the Shadowlands because he was like our best hunter. Yeah. And also, down there.

And this is a wiki hero in the making. Like if anyone down the road might be someone that like we could like help lead us out of this night. that we're in with Zerka, it would be Raurer. And, you know, this is what's happening. They're killing our heroes. Our heroes are all disappearing. Could you find him?

And it's like, all right, I'll go look for him in the Shadowlands. I'll find this, I'll find this wiki hero. Yeah. There's another thing to color this particular story and some of the other stuff is like, when you're talking to that little kid who loves Roror, whose name I think is Warwill, Warwill is like, I love him so much. And like, you would talk to Warwill and Warwill will, like, give you information about Rauror. But Warwill is with a parent, I want to say, Jorak.

I'm reading Jirac as a parent. I guess it's not explicitly clear. And Jirac is like, how do I know that you're not a slaver? Well, I don't trust you. I don't talk to you about anything. Ali, you talked about needing to force persuade people to, like, open up about what they really feel. And it's because like none of them trust you because why the first. fuck would they trust you? You know, you're not human, or you're human like the Zerka are,

and Chundar is not vouching for you, you know, and you came back with the mad claw. They've all these reasons to like concoct in their heads that you are a threat because you look like all the other threats. And you, and you don't have that particular sign off at that point, right? And so, you know, there's a lot of who is willing to share what information. Warwill will talk to you more because Warwell is a kid. And Warwell wants to to find Roar or back, and also because it turns out that Jorak was maybe part of the situation down there as we come back. Yeah, I think that's an important part of that interaction is that the amount that

not Roarwill. Drock. No, the little one. Warwur. Oh, Roarro. No, Roarwer. Roer is missing. Who is the kit?

Warwell. Warwell. Okay, sorry. The more that Worwell tries to open. open up. Jerach is there to be like, shut up. Stop talking to my son.

Stop talking to this, this human. What are you doing? Yes, 100%. It's, it's really interesting to think the amount

of information you would lose on this planet if you didn't use force persuade throughout like the entire thing. Between like... I wouldn't lost anything.

Because you have normal persuade. Yeah. I was just like, I'm not. I'm not like the Zirka. And everyone's like, you know, you really don't seem like a Zirka. Oh my God. That's because, yeah, it's because I'm not.

I'm a friend. Yeah, remember that. Oh, boy. I love the guy that you talk to. I think he's the guard of the Shadowlands. And you can kind of force persuade him to give you some more information. Yeah. And he has this one line where he says,

your soft feet are a barely tolerated insult damn um when he when because you can say like what can I expect to find in the shadowlands like why do you guys go there like what's the whole deal why is it like a revered place

yeah and uh and he will just say like you know it's a sacred uh you know right of passage for wookie to go down to the shadowlands to like prove themselves and prove their kind of like heroicism and stuff like that and your soft feet are barely tolerated insult on like the grounds of the shadowlands

which I just loved and he says you can ask him like I want to understand why the wookies revere the shadow lands and he's like you can't you must live here to understand to see the harmony and the danger which is just fun fun coloring pretty rich coming from this guy

from who the guard Yeah, the elevator operator Going down He's a wannabe Oh, on the way to that guy You get jumped, right? That's where the Dark Jedi show up? Yeah, uh-huh

Okay, I barely remember those guys I don't know what had to go to my stuff Luke was getting washed Luke was getting Fuck, yeah For being like super evil He was getting like Worked for sure

Yeah. I have a theory, but we should just look over the build later. Yeah. Well, so because we had some delayed time today, I sat down with Kotar and went through everybody's equipment. I went through everybody's skills. Everybody is, everybody is set down. I think I just like wasn't, I hadn't even put my, uh, kishik diamond into my lightsaber the whole time I was a good. Oh, that's a good. And I like just, I was like, yeah, I'm, yeah, I was sleeping on my best shit in my inventory. Yeah. You do a lot of attacks. Do you know what I mean? Like, It might look like it's only extra three damage or whatever, but that's... And because there's no fast travel, on Tatooine, when I was overmatched,

I was like, I'm gonna pop over to Yavin, buy some stuff, come back. Yeah. Here, like, once you're on the, like, quest path, like, literally, it's, it's a linear, like, the entire Kashik is just one long walk that you take. Yeah. And if you want to return to base for, like, new equipment or, like, you know, re, like, change how you're specced out. That's not going to happen.

It's the shadowlands. You can't fucking teleport out of the shadow lens. This is a sacred ground. Okay, there's an elevator. Yeah. There's a guy who works the elevator. That's his whole job. And I can't teleport from the walkway.

There's just some bugs there. Yeah, you know what are we doing? Not worth it. So I was, when I ran the Dark Jedi. Y'all got some soft feet. You don't get it like that. We all went through it. You know what I mean?

We got through it. We played it. We did not. We got, our feet are hard now. So the Dark, the Dark Jedi have, like, mall samurai energy. And so the group I had, and this was, this was sort of my core group. Oh, right. We should know this.

Sorry. You lose Zalbar. Yeah. Zalbar's gone. He's in prison. Yeah. So I rolled out with candorous, okay, to be my melee. Yep.

And, yeah, I was looking through, like, the equipment list. And the reason mission is, is off the table right now is, like, like on tattooing, she just doesn't have the firepower. She doesn't have a good enough gun to take a minute. Like she can't stand back there and be a sniper. So Carth is back in rotation. Because Carth's dual wheeled.

You get some good blasters. Yeah. Like he's just mowing people down. And then, yeah, like the Dark Jedi were not really beating my forces, my stasis saves. So it was just one of those things where it was just like, yeah, they're just getting stunned. Carth is mowing him down.

And then Canderus is over there Just whooping the shit out of them With a big Vibor Blade So that was that was kind of the group And then when You know we have to change party composition Canderus stepped out to make room for Jolie Gotcha

Which me Pretty much immediately Immediately Shadowlands We run into the wookie who's like Hey Some fuck shit's happening I was walking around

Mine of my own damn business And then all my boys got killed. Actually, you meet him later. That's post- post-air. Okay. You basically kill some catarns.

They are called katarns. No relation. I hope not. It better not be. And then you turn a corner and you see a Jedi doing the most epic shit. Like, he's in a fight

that appears to have broken the spawn limits on the game. He's like surrounded, knocking him down. Dyer catarns everywhere you look. Uh-huh. And he's just like mowing him down and it's like we got ourselves a real a real Jedi here yeah and he's like follow me to

my house I'll talk to you mm-hmm so you get there and you're like are you a Jedi he's like nah but yeah yeah I am but now he's so funny he's like you can just be like I know I I feel like you have a lot to tell me and he's like don't fucking talk to me like that I'm not a Jedi and I'm not your master like do not do not speak to me like I'm either one of those things and then you could be like wait how are you not a Jedi and then he's like okay I am a Jedi he's like I follow the Jedi way and I command the force yes and I suppose that makes me as much a Jedi as anyone but what of it why should I why should being what I am compelled me to entertain others with tales of the good old days he's good if you're rude to him he just put you in this your place

I love it. Because you could be like, you could be like, you know, I have better things to do. And he's like, oh, do you? I better not keep you, you know, you got stuff to do. You know, I mean, I only spent 25 years down here. What can I, what can I tell you? You know, and then you can be like, all right, then speak and tell me if I, if you, how you can be of use. And he goes, oh, ho, your manner is fearsome.

Like the little uller's I shoo from the garden hissing at what they don't understand. King. He's great. So. Love him. And, you know, I was really quick. Is he a little bit of a magical negro? Yes.

But I think the fact that he doesn't, that he is, one, he has like a whole plot line, right? There is a, he has a backstory. I don't know if you all land to another planet with him yet, but he instantly runs into someone who's like, oh, shit, did you hear about so and so? Oh, no, what happened to so and so? You should go land somewhere else with him before we do the next planet. It's really quick. You should land on like Tatooeen or Dantuan or something, bring him out.

As Ali mentioned during our Q&A, do not bring Johani out until we tell you it's okay to bring Jehani out in the docking bay. Don't do that yet. But bring Jolie out to trigger his next thing. And I want to say maybe bring Carth out also to trigger something important soon, too. Yeah, did any of us get that? I have not talked to Carth in, I didn't bring Carth out at all today. I have to do a run around with Carth.

I've learned something about Carth. We'll see. We'll see. We should talk about that next time. Because I think we should all try to get Carth thing on Monon, which we're going to do next. But anyway Colour things like I dig that Jolie also

Like the wookies know of him And he's he's a Jedi who's fallen into the He's like he's the woodsman in a fairy tale Who like he's wiki hunting parties Get into trouble down there And they talk about like yeah There's this like wild outsider Who will show up bail you out

And then like disappears back into the trees Like we leave him alone We like him But he's clearly nuts To be down there And you know he explains to you Yeah he doesn't really isn't really totally buy

the dark side, light side thing. He's like, it's all gray. And I think the other thing is, he's got a sense of history. Like, he is not, everything else in Star Wars is like, we are in the middle. He actually explicitly states this.

He says later, as you're trying to explain, like, we need your help in the Sith War. He's like, the Sith are bad. No doubt. And on the grand scale of history, everyone always thinks they're in the middle of the most important war

and the final showdown between good and evil. And that is just not true. The cycle continues. He was like, if the Sith win, we're in for a bad couple centuries. The wheel will turn. And it's so different. Returns, maybe.

Yeah. It's just like, he's a guy who like, he stepped back. Like, he's like, I know about the tales of the Jedi. And I basically have a vibe about how the Republic's going to go over the next like 10,000 years. It's just, you know, wheels just going to turn, bro. It's patterns to me. I see it.

Did you get him talking about Nomi? Sunrider? No. His first thing, when you talk to him, like, so I went back to Tatouine to do Canderas. I got Canderas's mission this time, too, and Canderas's mission brings you back to Tatooine. And I brought Jolie with me, and I got like two quick, like, Jolie wants to talk to you about some shit things with him.

And the first one, he was like, yeah, you remind me to know me a little bit. And like, he knew her. And you know what I mean? What? Like straight up, he is just like, like, who's Nomi? And he's a Nomi. She came late to the forest just as you have and became one of the greatest Jedi ever. Oh, fine, fine, lass.

Whether you follow the same path remains to be seen. But one thing will never get anywhere if you stand around chatting up old men all day. She's great. But, like, he lived through Tales of the Jedi at the comics that we talk about we're talking about currently on the Patreon. He's just off panel. You know what I mean? He's doing some of this shit. So the absolute funniest thing I find about him.

Like, there's all this shit where it's like. Like he's got this theory of history and like, yeah, he's clearly not, they won't let him teach young Jedi. They're not going to let him, like they are not someone they're going to be like, hey, Jolie, why don't you let us take this question. Like they are not, like he is not going to be invited to have a paduan or teach anyone. But one of the things he, you know, he wants you to go deal with the Zerka hunting party that's out there like causing trouble. But broader, he's like, the Zerka are bad news. And you're like, well, why didn't you just like deal with them? And he's like, they're the ones with ships.

I don't want to be stuck down here. And so the other part is like all of this. He's like, finally a young Jedi is going to help me, like, sort the situation. He's like, hey, you got a ship. You got wheels? Yeah. Your son, you got wheels? I got some errands to run.

You know what it is? It's Carl Weathers in Arrested Development. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, is that Carl Wethers? Is that who that? Yeah, it's like, you got a stew going. And you got always like a little bit

Like a little on the make Yes Where it's like you got You got a car young fellow You got You don't be heading around Tattoine later do you? Because I gotta swing by

Pick up a few things Yeah If you're going over there anyway Why not bring old Jolie with you It's so good Because he's just like Like all this is like All of this is is cool

And he does want to like help He wants the sort situations out down here But also he really wants to get the fuck off Kishik. And this is like, his main quest line for him is lead Kishik. Yep. Yep. But he wants to save the monkeys first.

He does. The first, the monkey is, like, this is the thing is, did you get, Bistilla saying, like, you know, I think he's not as great as he says he is. I had Joe, or Luke had Jolie,

or not Jolini, I had Jihani out for that. And Jihani was like, I sense like a lot of light in you Yeah You know I think you're he she says that to Jolie And Jolie's like Yeah I've seen my share of the dark in the light Or first Jolie says I've seen my share of the dark in the light

And frankly both extremes annoy me Of course I have felt the rumblings of change And then Jihani's like You're not fooling me like you're light sided as fuck Like I feel it in you And he's just like I see more gray than darker light I'm just a stubborn old man tired of the foolishness of others.

And I just, well... Basilis is something very similar, which is like, I can feel the power of the force within you old man, but I don't sense the taint of the dark side. I think you are a servant. It's the same thing with Johan. They both say that you're a servant of the light,

which I think is an important distinction that's interesting, right? That, like, he doesn't need... And this is also the way he kind of thinks about history, because one of the other stories he tells you, I think it's the first story that he tells you is... Maybe does he tell to you on that? this place. He talks about destiny. Did you all get him talking about destiny at all? No.

No. Okay. So he tells you, in the first dialogue he has, the one that ends with him talking about, briefly talking about Nomi, he tells you about another Jedi he knew, Andor Vex. Andor Vex was his name. And he had this great destiny. He like, in his heart, he was, he had this, like, everyone knew he had this big destiny. The force swirled around him like a hurricane. That's how great his destiny was. And he's saying this about you. He's saying, like, you remind me a little bit about this guy. You know, there's a little bit of this, like, this destiny around you. I can feel that. It's, it's, you know, the breath is on you. And it turns out that Andor knew about this and started throwing it around. He's like, oh, did you know, do you know about the,

the deemians? And you know, who are the deemians? I've never heard of the deemians. And he's like, oh, they were a big deal, not in your time. You wouldn't know about them, I guess. They had these big ships And big warships There's a whole thing They had this overlord named Crot Big guy, big teeth

You know He captured me and me and Andor They brought us on to the bridge Blah blah blah And Andor was like Talking his game Because he thought he was invincible He has this great destiny

He's not gonna die to some like Warlord on a spaceship And you know Here's the quote Well Andor decides That his destiny Makes him invulnerable And starts making all sorts of demands

Free me now I'm not answering questions Blah blah blah blah Don't you know who I am? Crot decides he's had enough of him and begins crushing Andor's neck. I told the boy he should have kept his mouth shut. I think he agreed too, or those could have just been gurgling noises. Well, well, anyway, finally, Crot has enough of Andor and tosses them aside on this giant

energy intake shaft. Ander gets sucked in and starts bouncing around, screaming. Maybe Andor hit something sensitive on the way down or it just didn't agree with the reactor core. Next thing I know all the ship's alarms are ringing. panics and runs, I run, barely making it to the ship in time before the explosion. Crot dies horribly, and the deemians never quite recovered. Change the political climate for the entire sect for centuries to come.

I'd call that quite a destiny, wouldn't you? And the thing that I said to him was like, oh, I said, how can you even be sure he's responsible? And Julie said, what are you kidding? What are the odds of that happening anyway? A billion to one? You should do so well as to be sucked into the engine of some evil Sith lord, you know? Ander was a hero, sort of.

And he's like, yeah, this is the way he sees the force. The force isn't, isn't like, you know, gleaming nights. It's sometimes a guy falls funny and the whole shit blows up. And that's, it's so good. Jolie rules. Well, so it occurs to me, I think where he gives the everyone thinks their shit is the most important. I think it is a conversation that Carth triggers. Because Carth is like, oh, you're finally coming off the sidelines and getting in the game, old man.

Like, finally it helps out with the Sip. And he just turns to Carth. And he's like, everyone thinks their struggle is the most important. Yeah. And it is important, no doubt. But the universe will go on. And it's sort of built into that, you know, at some point, evil's going to win sometimes. You got to fight them.

But sometimes you lose. We're all going to do our best. But we might not, we might not pull this out. Doesn't mean we shouldn't fight. Yeah. It just means that, like, we have to fight knowing that if we lose, eventually that wheel's going to roll over the Sith. too. He does say when you first meet him that he fought the Sith, right? Like he was

like, I, like, left from fighting the Sith and found myself here and that's why I've been stuck here for. Yeah, I fought the Sith. Now look at me. Because he was around for the stuff we're about to read in these comics. The X-R-Cun stuff. That's so wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just out of frame. Just out of frame. So he gives you a quest. He's like, go deal with this Zirka hunting party. They're killing all my favorite little monkeys. Which again, is part of the thing that's sick about him. He's like, I want to get off planet. But before I do, could you go deal with these assholes?

Don't kill them. Just figure out a way. No, no. He says, if I wanted them dead, I could do it. Right. He says try to do it nonviolently. What's interesting is if you do it nonviolently, how he responds. That's great too.

Like, this is the most Yodapil thing that he does, which is like you can't win for losing. But you go out there, first of all, kind of, the mom. The monkeys are really loud. I can't stress that enough. It's like down there in the shadowlands, the little tacks, that's what they're called. Which, of course, the tacks are what we need the glands of. For Griff, for Griff wants the tacklands for his little Theresa and Ail side quest. So you can find some, though.

Yeah, I think I found so. There's some just in the little plastic steel container here are those guys, so you're fine. Well, I'm not playing it, but Luke, because Luke hadn't been to tattooing yet, the griff stuff didn't come up at all while we're on this planet. That's interesting. Well, Luke had plenty of glands in general. So what happens here? Who did Luke talk to? You find this little, like, station with a kind of garden charge.

And he's like, listen, we're not slavers. We don't deal with the slaving shit. What we want are these glands, these gorgeous glance in these fucking horrible, annoying monkeys. And if you kill them and harvest them, we can use that powder into like a stem, like for like a stimulant thing. So then I was like, oh my God, is this where we're getting like our hyperstim stimulants? Are they coming from these tack lands? Like that is probably true and sucks. That's probably true.

But so Luke decided to make a deal with the Zirka Corp down here. And he ended up killing a bunch of tack and and sending. Did you keep count of how many there were? There were a lot. He made a couple laps around this general area. And then after you talk to him again, you can turn in the tack lands and whatever. There are also some other guards here,

some other Zerkerkorp members who are specifically guarding these sonic emitters. And the main guard explains to you that, oh, yeah, the only reason why we're able to maintain this outpost here is because we have these sonic emitters. they keep like the bigger wildlife from coming around and and messing with us so uh you can go over to these guards and chat with them because if you go to the sonic emitters they each ask for a code to be able to shut down obviously you hear this and you're like oh i just got to turn off these

sonic emitters and everyone will will leave um but they need a code so each guard guarding one of these emitters has their own code and the first one Luke goes up to he's like hey don't you want to give me one of those codes and force persuades the guard into giving one of the codes and and the guards are like I don't even want to fucking be down here I hate it here this is like the the recurring line of everyone working anywhere ever it's like fuck this planet I hate it here I just want to go like nobody loves where they're at at all so the guard that Luke talks to he's like yeah give me the code you get the code and he's like yeah but uh don't don't don't you know I don't want any more trouble than that and then you can force persuade him again and say like you want to just leave now

like why are you still here you should just leave now and he's like oh yeah I should just leave now and he turns around and starts to run and then immediately gets shot down and killed. By the Zerka guys? By the other Zerka guys. It's so wild. So the way this goes for Dups is, and this is the problem I think I have with Cotor just in general.

Yeah. If they have a solution for one thing or like a little step you have to do to complete a quest, why not repeat it. Just do it. Two, three times. It'll be fun. Just do the exact same thing.

So this is an especially bad example of this because literally the dialogue and voice guards. Yes. Each time. Yes. But with Dups, it was the, the just standard persuasion option, I think. It might have had to force persuade. I think I just did the persuasion thing.

You don't even need to. So if I understand correctly, your job that you hate is to stand here and protecting these sonic emitters as long as they're working. Well, yeah, that's my job. But if they're not working, well, there's no point being here to protect them, right? It's like, damn, yes, that's true. It's like, so

someone shut them off. You could just leave because now you're not guarding an active sonic emitter. He's like, that's so true. All right, just don't tell me one, but here's the code. If you do that, nobody gets shot. Even though, functionally, it's the same thing. Like, the Zirka guards are in notice.

Like, either way, in this case, I get to just walk around, Repeating this exact dialogue, they only make you do it like twice, maybe three times. Well, I didn't realize, so I went around and did it, I did the talking to everybody. Oh. And then I was like, oh, I have to actually just use the stupid thing. Like, I thought, I thought I was going to need four codes to combine or some. I don't know what the fuck I thought.

You do me. You don't have to do it twice. You only do it twice. Because it's like, because what they say is like if enough of them fell down. Right. Once you get the second one, you do the second one, it turns out. It is stupid that you have to do it that many times. And it's silly that you have the same conversation with each of the four guards.

But yeah, you then activate two of the son- or deactivate two of the sonic emitters. And then a big monster shows up, chases them out. Rar. Rar. What's that? So. No, not that wookie we're looking for. That's just the noise the monster makes.

Yeah. So my situation with this quest was I walked up to the guy and I'm going for dark-setted. So I usually like try to start a little aggressive in my conversations. Like I'll just throw out an insult or I'll see if there's a beat thing to say. Wow. So the first conversation I had, I upset the guy and he like, we just, I was like, you're a slaver, you suck, whatever. And he's like, fuck you. And then we fought.

And I was like, this is a mid-ending. Let me go back. I'm going to reload. You know Joe Lee's going to yell at you about this. Right. Yeah. I talked to the guy again. And I was like, okay, you know, maybe I'm looking for some work.

And he was like, okay, cool. And then he was explaining the thing. And then I was just like, I was like, I was like, I don't like you. Or something like very innocent like that. Or maybe I called him a slave or a second time just because I wanted to. And then we fought immediately again. And I was like, you know what, Jolie? I'm sorry about these emitters.

Oh, damn. But it is what it is. I just killed all these guys. I got the glanned out of the thing. I don't even think that they had that much good loot. But that was it for me. Yeah, I mean, if they had good loot, Jolie would have been like, oh, well, that makes sense.

Well, hang on. So I'm curious. So you immediately go back to Jolene. Yeah. I'm curious how we reacted when he learned that ever got slaughtered. Because when I turned in, I was like, ha, I did it. And he was like, I didn't sense, like, a blood bath happening. So you must have found a way to spare all those guys.

It's like, yeah, yeah, just like you said. And he's like, well, I don't know if the environment would thank you for sparing them. Because those guys were killers. Right. You say, you can say, like, I didn't find any reason to spill blood. And he's like, I don't, was there not reason to spill blood? I don't know. I think the environment would say otherwise.

Like, old man, you told me not to spill blood. But, like, I like that line he's drawing. The idea is, like, yeah, I asked you not to, but that doesn't mean that there was nothing to gain by killing them. No, no, no. And actually, he doesn't ask you not to. He just reminds you that if he was, if you wanted to kill everyone, he could have done it himself. So it's very much the, like, well, the specific thing is he knows the thing that you've heard upstairs, which is if you kill Zerka people, the Wookies get harmed from it, right? That's what he said to me.

Hits the wookies, not him, right? And so that's the reason not to do it. Not because it's gainless. It's actually quite a big gain to kill these slavers and these poachers, right? But it's going to hurt some people that he has a lot of love for. So maybe don't do it if you don't have to. It's in line with something he says in your first conversation with him where you can start pressing him about the star map immediately. And he's like, yeah, I know about that.

I know what's good with that. I knew you would be here for that because the problems of a few wookies don't amount to anything before the concerns of the Jedi. Love that line. He knows. The Jedi aren't here to help wookies out.

Slavery on Tatouine. Quigon said, I don't know about that. I don't know anything about that. Who is this child? I smelled destiny on him. Okay, wait. So, Allie, wait, what did he say?

Is that what he said? Oh, yeah. basically yeah I was like I you know it's over let's just go and he was like you killed them he did you and I was like yeah I guess so he he's like you know I could have done that myself and the reason I didn't want that to happen is because now they're going to blame the wookies but whatever let's just go and I was like all right let's show me to the door yeah this guy's the best fucking teacher the two things he you can say to him is I couldn't find a peaceful peaceful solution I regret that and he says well perhaps I have a duty to point out what you

should have learned from this or perhaps no or you can say funny i didn't picture you as the disapproving master type and he could say you're pretty much right really truth be known i won't judge you for how you fair as long as you can live with yourself and that's in all cast and then he's was that convincing it's been a while since i've been in the company of someone that needed that kind of babysitting oh oh i love him this guy is the best he rules he's so you can see now why i was like we have to go to tattooing, we have to go to Kishik, we have to get HK, we have to get Jolie. They are like, they are, like, this is bio we're like finding the groove in a real way. This is, oh, right.

This is what I like about these games. Man, imagine, like, if this guy were Anakin's trainer. Like, no, wait here, young man. They killed your mom? Society if. Yeah, exactly. They killed your mom? Look, okay.

They wouldn't have killed his mom. Because he would have been like, they got your mom, your mom's missing. You're having dreams about your mom? All right, we're going. Also, is she single? What's going on with her? You know? Truly from around the way.

It's so good. But also, I think the thing I love about it is, like, again, that whole sense of, in some ways, like, this is the most Jedi shit, though, where it's like, you can't exercise power without creating some sort of reaction, like undergirding all of this is like, one, in the grand scheme of things of the cosmos, our actions are not insignificant. They're meaningful to us. They're meaningful to people in the world, but like do not think that history ends with you. And two, anything you do, however you go about approaching it, is going to have ramifications

in directions that like maybe you can't see. Yeah. And, you know, again, are you willing to pay the cost for that? Like, these guys deserve what they get. It's very funny because I'm going to spoil. smart, a small thing in Cotor 2 that gets talked about a lot. Because this is like a better version of a thing in Cotor 2. I like Cotor 2 more than I like this game, both as like a video game to play and also as like a thing that's about Star Wars in a broader way. But in Cotor 2,

there was an infamous moment where you land on Narshadah and go and there's a guy who's begging for money and you can give him money. If you give him money, Crea, who's your mentor figure and that is like, ah, you shouldn't have done that. You think that you're doing a good thing, but really you're doing a bad thing. And it shows, it pulls out and it shows that because now he has money in his pockets, he is targeted to be attacked by some muggers around the corner. And if you don't give him money, it still breaks bad. I think he doesn't have money. And then he turns to violence to hurt someone to get what he needs or something like that. It's been a while since I've played this thing. But both options are bad. And Kray is basically telling you the same thing. That there's

like consequences no matter what you do. You can't, I mean, you don't know that when you're playing. You don't see both options. You just know that you've been scolded. And what's really happening, and the reason that this still sort of works for me is the experience of the first-time player who doesn't know that the other option is bad, also bad, is that this mentor figure begins to, like, get in your head and tell you that you're a piece of shit and that you think that you understand how the world works, but the way you see the world is limited, right?

But this is just a better version of it because it's actually just more straightforward, right? It's just joly saying what he believes about the world, that there are consequences, that sometimes you do things you don't necessarily want to do because you don't like part of the consequences. And sometimes you do the wrong thing and we got to just keep all moving. It's not a big deal to like don't get hung up on it. Right. The other thing that he can say here, if you say like, aren't you going to tell me what I should learn, he can say, you know, a good teacher. I'm not saying I am one, but a good teacher doesn't mash a book in the student's face saying learn this bit here. If you can't look at a situation for yourself and see the logic behind my

way of doing things, you're not the type to understand me anyway. Besides, you're a little old for that master student fuss, aren't you? I know I am. And that's great. Like, he's, this is, in some ways, part of the reason Kraya ends up working for me is because she is like an inverse of Jolie, because Jolie is actually really good at this. And Kray is kind of a nightmare, as we all come to find out eventually one day when we get

to Cotor 2. So, so yeah, that's Jolie. What a first impression. Incredible first impression. Absolutely king. So now Jolie will take you. to the big force field thing. And actually, no, you also find Rauer's body down here real quick.

Yep. And he's got, he's got on his body, this document, this like, hey, Rourer, Zirkacorp, thanks you for all these awesome slaves you've captured for us. But I think there's even information that, like, he's praying on other wiki hunters down there. Like people, like, basically it sounds like he was kind of grooming the kid you meet up there, like be sold into slavery where it's like come on with me on a great hunt and then it can be like oh no the shadowlands got him uh sorry jirak your your son you know he's one with kashik now like the vibe is like people are going out with rower and they're not coming yeah because somebody

says somebody says earlier that you know many wookie have gone missing in the shadowlands but like you know for their corpses aren't to be found like the shat the shadow lands takes their bodies like we don't find the the sort of fallen of the we don't find the bodies of the people that we've lost but maybe you can find some information about rarer and you just saying that right now rob like rarer is fully bringing people down here selling them and coming back and saying damn we lost another like chattelands chattelands are just so unforgiving man like we I'm trying my fucking best But look at me

Does it seem like it's getting worse for anybody else down here? It feels like it's getting worse It feels like it's getting way more dangerous down here than normal Oh my God, I can't believe that What a shithead? What else do you find near his body? Guns Oh, bullet casting, right?

It lets you know who killed him Yeah Because the Wookiees Like handcraft their blaster bolt Like casings for some reason They all have identifying marks they have yeah exactly yeah wait so who i don't know if i know who it belongs to wait do you not i don't think so i'm not getting the sense luke was the kind of character to unravel

this mystery yeah i guess that's probably it was you just go back there and talk to them yeah it was jerock it's the dad because he found out about this and the way that this story ends up being I said, Jarok is like, shut up, shut up, uh, don't be fine, I did it. It was me. It was me. It was me. Don't say why I did it. Please don't. People need heroes. They, you can't let people know why Rororor, why I had to kill Rororor. You just have to say, I went crazy and I killed him. And you could be like, yeah, all right, that's what happened? Or you can be like, no, I'm not going to, what are you talking about? He was selling your people in slavery. I was like, he doesn't get to be a fallen hero. Yeah, a hundred percent. Like, yeah, no. Yeah. What?

There's an interesting hero, needing of heroes through line here that I'm seeing in On Kashik. It's very interesting. People need heroes. Mm-hmm. So. Well, that sounds like it was for the best. I do like the view of the Kashik law system that you get into here too, because it's basically, basically like we don't face murders a lot. So, um, you know, we're just going to listen to what

happens. And then if, if you're found guilty, you get exiled or killed or whatever, um, and all of your assets go to that person. There's like a dialogue option where you can be like, uh, sure, I'll be involved in this trial, but like, what am I going to get out of it? Um, and the, the, the, like, lead, the, he's in like the law center or whatever. it's called um and he's like yeah i mean if you stick around we'll we'll give you half of this person's money but then if you if you find out that uh if you say that roer did it they still give you half of his his bucks like all right thanks guys yeah it's weird how that breaks down it's just like we got to give you money at the end of a class don't worry about it well well this like shared not a lot it's

like 400 bucks you know right yeah but this thing of like you know whoever whoever's was the the start of this. Whoever's actually at fault here has to pay into whoever was involved. I think one of the lines that you get that's really interesting, which is that like since you found out about this murder, you were hurt by it too. Right. And I was like, oh, okay.

I mean, I'm not even from here, but thank you. Well, I'll take the check. Yeah, I'm not going to say no about that. I thought I was an outsider, but I guess I'm inside now. Like, shout out, hi. Exactly. And then this is also where you find the droid, right? that's like the

droid that says like oh I killed those guys like the recording of the guy's getting killed Matt and Eli's situation which we already talked about so we can discuss that we don't know how how does it resolve how I guess it's a great question

yeah now like how did this resolve yeah so if you go back you can bring the droid head back up and Eli will and you can say like hey man I found a droid head down in the shadowlands

and Eli's like I let's not Talk about that. Like, that's fine. And you pull out the droid head and Matins like, wait, that's three, four, five, six, seven. That's my, that's my droid from our ship. Like, where did you find? Like, he was supposed to be with, like, the group of people.

And you basically explain, like, yeah, man, they're all dead downstairs in the shadowlands. And here's your droid back. and he's like well shit and he turns to Eli and he's like you liar and then he shoots him dead

and he takes over his outpost as the new he's like well I don't have a fucking ship because it was wrecked in the shadowlands so I guess I'm still stuck here and I'll just take over this merchant I'll take over Eli's business

for a little bit and make some money and maybe go somewhere else Nope, not for me. Normal amount, normal amount, apparently. Normal amount, normal amount of time. It just stays the infinite amount, regular amount, Zerka. Regular amount.

Zerka's like, yeah, well, yeah, that's Mattin's place now, not a big deal. Yep. By Mattins for lunch. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Apparently, you can encourage him to kill him or let him run away. You can, like, there's some, like, other things here, but you can even, apparently you could even convince him to leave.

I'm surprised Luke didn't do that. If you go back and talk to him, you can be like, for me, I would, uh, I would just wipe this whole thing out, out entirely. I'd wipe all memory of him. Um, uh, Matt, is like, what do remember that option? And then, and then you can say, it's not enough. The store was his life, let it rot. Or you can force persuade him to say, remember your hatred. Don't trap yourself here. And Mattin says, I see your point. I'll leave his shop like his corpse. I'll take what I want by passage on a ship and never look back except to spit. And then he gives

you some extra, he gives you a gun. He gives you a Mandalorian assault rifle. And then Johani says Jahani says, you've taken a good and honest man and twisted him into a bitter hateful creature. You must be so proud of yourself. And Bastila says feeding this man's hatred is an act of malice

and petty evil. The council would not approve of your actions here and neither do I. Unfortunately, doesn't stop either of them for coming along on the ride. and continuing their personal plot lines they can talk shit all they want but they don't ever back it up for some reason.

That's so weird. Yeah. I'm surprised this quest doesn't have an option where you can go to Eli and be like, hey, how much do you want for this droid head? Right.

Well, I think because Matton's standing right there. Right. Right. Like as soon as you bring up the droid Mattin's like, wait, what? What droid? Huh? Yeah, Eli should have been smarter.

Eli should have been like, oh, you know, for droids like that, I need to see it personally. Come over to my little side shop. Well, he can't let Matt not of his site. But I feel like that's the situation. He's been hyping Mattin up as a mechanic. Then Matton would be like, well, I'm your mechanic. Let me take a, I know how to evaluate. I could put a value on this pretty easily.

Then you should be the one who gets to be like, hey, Eli, can I see you something about a special deal? I have to order him bulk or something. Do you have an email account? Eli just doesn't. Yeah, yeah. You're right. Eli's on a closer. True.

So you go through the little force field. Jolie is like, don't you want to know why this is here? He's like, Luke did not give a fuck. Luke just kept trying to get out of the conversation. Jolie was like, why aren't you,

like, why aren't you asking about this force field in the middle of the trees? Like, what is wrong with you? That's very funny. Well, because Jolene, he's an old man

who can appreciate a nice bit of like, he can appreciate a nice build, a nice install. He's like, this thing's pretty neat. Look at this. He's so funny. They put them up everywhere

to guard stuff on this planet. Yeah. I think I know, I think I saw how they put this. I think I could do this. Jolie is a real like, buy you a Christmas gift. Boy, I can build you a Christmas gift.

I can make one of those. 100%. I, and he does. Luke here on this. I did not need to hear like, oh, well, you know, people can

climb over this and that's why this is good. You know, the other the other creatures can't get past this but the ones that can climb can get a pass just fine and I'm just like, can I please get through this? I'm looking for it. Start my place. I got to go to the deep shadow lands. And you do.

The lower shadowlands. And that's where you run to yet another poor but noted wookie who sheds fucked up. You see a wookie battling Mandalorians. Yeah. Grouars is getting jumped. Luke was not going to help him We walked up to him

And first we helped him Take out all the enemies And or the rest of the people Yeah And then He asks you after the fight He's getting jump by Mandalorians Yeah

And after the fight He's like Please Heal me Oh right Heal me And Luke was like no And then like started to walk away

And then I guess, like, had a change of heart and walked back and was like, wait, hold on. What do you want, what do you want with these Mandalorians? Do you want, like, you want me to find him? What do you want me to do with them? And then he, like, heals him a little bit and takes on the quest of find these Mandalorians that have slaughtered his friends and left him maimed. So there's a predator thing happening, but like a weird, like, inversion of predator as well. because the Mandalorians are wearing like cloak armor.

Yeah. And he says these Mandalorians will only attack unarmed prey. They're so dishonorable, which is like the flip of the predator situation where like the minute somebody doesn't have a weapon, the predator's like, well, this ain't, this ain't shit. I'm going to leave. But so he's like, you got to, you know, can you please help me get revenge on these guys because they slaughtered tons of wikis that were in my hunting party. just go to wherever you see fallen wookies and, you know, maybe you can lure them out.

But remember, the only attack unarmed prey. So you got to use the awesome inventory system of Cotor to go in there real quick and, like, take stuff out of everyone's hands. And if you haven't cleaned your inventory in a little bit and you have some items you've upgraded. I can take a minute to just get everything back in order the way you loved it. sure um for folks at home i think that you only need to um unequip your item your party is still fine there but what yes that's correct you just need your own uh-huh that really makes sense i know it doesn't it doesn't make sense and it's very annoying and i i did the way that you did it rob and i kept running into this this uh situation where mission wouldn't put her gun

back in her hand until like a turn or two went through the yeah that's no good Yeah, I was having some trouble. And there's no tagging mission out. That's the other thing, right? It's like, this is not a, okay, well, mission, you're going to go sit in the bench for a little bit. You're in the lower shadowlands. With all these manilorians. Yeah, I was, I had mission here for, because I want to talk to her about stuff, not because she was a fighter.

And it did not work out. We were trying to hang out. See, I had Carth there who was like, bra, bra, bra, bra, bra, bra. And meanwhile, Jolie's like, hey, kid, I'll bet the Jedi didn't teach you to do this. And then, like, someone like starts twitching to death. And it's like, are you just killing that man? He's like, yeah, it's gray. I mean, again, look at it.

You were going to kill this guy. You were going to kill him anyway, right? Yeah. So what's the difference? That's so wild. A gun, the forced hand gesture, it's all the same, the end. It's true. Uh, you kill these guys.

This is nothing, right? This is like a nothing quest. It's a nothing quest, but also like, why is this even happening? You find, you find datapads. They're here to train on Wookie, but they're training. One of the data pads says, this is about broken cars? Yeah, one of their training pads says that they're here to train using Jedi toys. It's, it's, uh, fuck word.

Presumably using lights up. Well, it's like somebody, somebody's, it's like a diary entry, and the person, the Mandalorian's like, how will this, how will being here on Kashik in here in the Shadowlands, how will this train us to use these Jedi toys? And they're all using what seem like kind of Vibrosword type. Yeah, they're not, none of them have lights. They don't have actual lightsaber. And I'm checking to see like, oh, is there like a thing where if they're high enough level they have lightsabers or something? But no, I don't think so. It feels like the only special equipment

they're using is the stealth stuff, but that's not That shit's wild though. They just fucking pull up on you out of nowhere. It's cool. I want that. I guess we technically have that. That's a stealth belt. It's an annoying to use it. It's the thing. There's is cool. Yeah.

Mine is like I have to press 18,000 buttons before. And then your party can't follow you so you can't do the awesome like Irwin decloak and sank and like really wrecked people. Yeah. infuriating. I rarely use it. Stun is working out better for me. Anyone of Canderas for this

or curious of Canderas had shit to say? I ended up, because I couldn't get through it, I ended up watching a video that Canderas was in the guy's party. And he does, there's like one line of dialogue, but there's not really anything significant. He like says that they're disrespectful or whatever which is weird because I thought

maybe it's later in this game, but I feel like in my memory of Cotor, there was this like emerging plot line of like candorous is against the like um the gangs of mandolarians that are he is he said that already by now because he said before the thing of like they're lost they should be trying to like capture worlds not pick on villagers or whatever settlers um yeah yeah did did we cover the republic his republic story in the in the last episode where he talks about about encountering Revin?

No. I thought I gestured at it. Maybe we didn't go through the whole thing. I got that conversation this time, though. Okay. I have not hit it yet. Okay. We'll save it.

Yeah. Maybe we can save it. It's not like pressing. Let's get her under the next week, though. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Definitely go check in with Candorous. And again, bring Candorous out at a launch pad until you get his thing to trigger also.

Because he has a story where he gets confronted by one of his old soldiers. and like the way that that shakes out is kind of interesting. And then I got to find Basil's dad or what's left of him. Yeah, they're both on Tatouine, right? So Candorous's thing ends up being in the Dune Sea and the Basil's dad thing, you've already been where Basil's dad's thing is. You might already have it somehow. And Griff, if you have the gland.

And if you have the gland, you can go back to Griff and Tatooine to wrap that up, which wraps up in a very funny way. So I will let you all see. But yeah, it's kind of a weird quest. You find the data pads, even the other mandolary is like, this hunt sucks. This isn't very Mandalorian. But also, like, everything I learned about the Mandalorians, like, I keep thinking about

the show. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, real tragedy for the galaxy when those folks got got. Like, real, real bad times. Real, uh, morning bells sounded across the, across the galaxy when the Mandalorians got nailed. They're fun. Yeah.

We'll get some more Mandalorian stuff. Both of the comics and here soon. Yeah. I do really like that you had a predator. why did I pronounce something? A predator. Comparison there because I think the first time I saw that movie I message Austin immediately and been like

These guys rule, they're just like medallurians. I think that's actually true. They have a code of honor. I'm getting real Mandalorian vibes from these creatures. Uh-huh. You didn't just, you didn't just, you tweeted this. You said, if I can say some nonsense, I would like to say that predators are cool

because their Mandalorian adjacent and Mandalorians are extremely cool. This is true. Manelorian coded Predator. What I DM'd you was, I got to tell you, Mandelorians versus Predator would have been Teenage Austin's everything.

Because there was a bunch of versus Predators like comic book series. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they should do it. Alien versus Predator. Yeah. I'd watch it or read it. So there's another whoop you run into

who shit's fucked up. and that is Frayer Frayer Luke did not give him a chance and immediately killed him Well there's your problem right there Yeah that makes sense

There was no talking Like Frayer was like You're a slave you know who Frayer is right Yeah it's it's Big Z's dad Yeah yeah yeah But he wasn't there But he wasn't there

Daddy wasn't there God, wait, does Big Zee know you killed his dad? Not you, but Luke. Yep. It, oh, shit. Wait, because you told him? The gaslighting does not end. It continues in a truly unfathomable, unfathomable way when you return back upstairs.

So we'll get there. Okay, let's get there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so we immediately killed Frere and kept moving on. It was like so anticlimactic. It was so depressing. I couldn't believe it. So please tell me what the alternative is

because that was not my favorite decision. It's interesting because that's the ask though, right? It is. Like, the Big Z's brother is just like, can you go down there and kill that wiki for me? Mm-hmm. That's how it's supposed to go.

I mean, what do you think happens now? But we have the info that that's his dad, right? Like, we know how do we know that's his dad? Because I knew when I saw him, I had written down. I think you've heard his name and the way video games work as it just says Freer and you're like, oh shit, that must be his dad.

Oh, yeah, for me it came up in that conversation when you first meet Freyer, so I was like, oh, okay, I got it. Right. What was weird for me was when you're talking to him, you could be like, wait, do you know Zalbar and Chandar? And Freer's like, what? Those are the names of my sons, but they're lost to me. One's Exile and one's the traitor. And Mission can say,

hold on a second. Zalbar and Chundar are brothers, and you're the their father? Wait a minute. Is this something that Vixie is some kind of prince or something? Oh my God. Mission. Mission. I should have brought her.

Get off your phone when we're talking to the evil prince. Could he be on that damn phone. Okay. I, it misses the feds, I got this dialogue, but I didn't, it didn't stand out to me because I only brought Mission down to the below thing. I didn't have her when we were upstairs talking to the brother. She just says it. She just says it.

And it's like, you were in the room. That is so funny. And you were with me every time Zalbar was like, yeah, I'm a mad claw because I hit my brother Chunder. Chunder. Chunder. Chunder. Chunder and Zalber.

And Freer. You got to beat the shit out of Frere first to bring it. So that's the thing. To bring him back to himself. You do have to beat the shit out of him. Then he's like, wait. And then you can be like, all right, all right, all right. Chill, show, show.

Do you realize these two names? Those are my sons. Yeah. Yeah. And so then he tells us. you a story of like he realized that you know chandar was up to no good and then you know he got accused of being a mad claw and he's so ashamed of how he treated zalbar and uh but you know how are we going to how are we going to set this a right because like chandar has legitimacy and everyone's

following him now and like now there's just two mad claws against him so how could this possibly be fixed if only there is some sort of i don't know like item or ancestral like symbol uh, that symbolizes like a wookie's right to rule. Um, maybe like something like the blade of Baca. That's right. What's the blade of Baca? Well, once upon time a starship crash landed, I guess, on Kishik. Yeah. And they found a, they found a Viroblade. Yeah. I think they may have, I guess, is it just a Vibro blade? I was reading it as being like more than that as being like, because it's like a good sword. When you get it eventually.

Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm sorry to say, Candorous has that sort. I was going to say, uh, you know, Zalbar asked for that blade at the end,

but you can give it to the one or two. Zalbar got a bowcaster. Hey, this is a proud wookie weapon. Okay. Yeah. Was it wielded by your shit heel brother? Sure.

Maybe Zalbar was like, I need to have the blade to give it to my friend, Kandarus who's going to use it to kick ass. It's like, like Zalbar, you're so strong. Yeah. But you also have pretty decent decks for your strength.

So. holding the bocaster at him the um the blade is made from the metal of the starship is what it is okay so i thought it was the vibro blade fell out of the starship no

he finds this ancient very strong metal from the ancient starship i mean it is a vibro blade to be clear like that is it does it does do the thing a vibro blade does but they made it into a vibro blade it's just a really strong sword that was made from

the blade so but then sadly it's in two pieces the blade has gone missing and only the hilt uh is is held by chundar uh so where can we how do we find it well rumor is the blade went missing on a great hunt for for a great beast so we got to find a great beast yeah and somehow this is really easier than you think it's going to be yeah that's what i'm saying extremely anticlimatic there's another is this wait is there a second beast here or is it's the same beast? Do you, did you all fight the Terran? I'd like to think there's a few, like that like one scared off the Zirka dudes and then a different one comes. Right, but the way, did you, wait, did you also get the third beast that's down here somewhere? No.

No. Did you not? Okay, y'all need to go to dance. We're going to, things are going to get a little weird at this point because the next time that we play, before we finish the next planet, we need to finish up some stuff on some other planets. Like, we're going to, we're going to go over that, maybe at the end of this recording. But one of those things is that there's a guy on Dantuin who can tell you about the Terentotics. Is that what they're called? Terentotic, yes.

Which are these creatures from the era of the Sith War, right? Which we just, right? And they're like scattered throughout the galaxy, basically. And you can run into one here in the, the, uh, whatever, the, the dark lands, the shadowlands, the lower shadowlands. The lower shadowlands. I'm trying to figure out where exactly it was so that I can give you actual directions. It is, maybe wrong. Maybe it's upper shadowlands.

Could it be upper shadowlands? That would be weird. Um, there's Jenna Hardeen, tack posting, Wiki lost. Am I making this up? Where do I, it's important because it gives you a piece of armor that. is genuinely the first thing that looks like it's from these comics. Oh, really? Because I...

Yeah. I got an armor set with a guy's name on it, and it was not that cool. It does not look good. It's just like beige, so it sort of fits the colors of the item, but not... I'm looking these up really quick. Not the way that you want. Tarentatic... I guess while you're looking that up, we should say, this is a very extremely easy puzzle.

You walk into... There's even a puzzle. Well, you walk into an open section. There's a vine there. You examine the vine. Yeah. It says, do you want to tie this thing to it? You click the button that says yes.

Yeah. The beast shows up. You kill it extremely easily. It goes down. You know, you can put it down. The Mandalorians were harder than this. The sand people were harder than this. It's nothing.

Yeah. It's nothing. And then, oh, it has. a blade in its side. Just that easy, folks. There it is. You don't even have to go for a second beast. There's a rock in the ground, right, that says like, hey, you know, only, oh, God, I didn't

write it down. But there's like a sign that's like if you, if a worthy, if you like provide a worthy sacrifice of, it tells you what to do, basically. I'm trying to remember what exactly it was but it's like a it kind of explains that this is like a wookie ritual site where like many rituals such as this have happened before and when you go to the vine

it's like there's a pool of blood that shows that you know it's been years and years since the last time somebody you know performed but it clearly has been stained for like long, you know, times by the blood of the ritual sacrifices. Right. Okay, this is it. This is that thing.

Sorry, this is, I was, the reason I was getting confused is like, is there another big beast fight? No. That thing that you fight is the Terentotic. Back on Dantuin, you can talk to this person named Dysra, who I want to say is a Twilic guy who is like, ah, do you know about the great hunt? I need you to go on the great hunt. There are these creatures, these predators called Terentotics, that are extremely

incredibly strong with the primal cunning, and they've a resistance to the forest built in. And there are three of them in the game. This is one of them. You've killed it. It drops a thing called the circlet of Suresh. Yes. Did y'all put that on? Juhani has that right now, because I'm dark-sighted.

To me, that is the first thing that looks. Right. The circle of Suresh is a really good headpiece. It gives wisdom plus five, which is incredible. It's only light side. And I think it's the first thing that looks sort of like what the art. and stuff looks like in Tales of the Jedi. It's this golden headpiece that comes down to the chin, basically, from the ears down

to the chin that looks sort of like what Ula Keldroma's headpiece looks like on that one cover from the most recent one. Yeah, it's like importantly sort of sits against the head instead of being this like big teco thing that sticks out. And it like, it has, I don't want to like, the game isn't good enough to say that it would be like filigreed or whatever, but it has these like sort of round. edges that makes it look like feathery. Yeah, it has, it feels like, um, it feels fashionable in a different way. And it has a little story attached to it, which is that Suresh is one of three

force people, three Jedi who went off hunting for these, uh, for these tarantox, a tarantotics. But before, before this guy became a Jedi, he was, he was, he was a guy named Guan Han Suresh was like the sion of a of a of a Theresian like noble family and his dad was like, hey, listen, I'm going to give you this cool headpiece, this cool weird chin thing to make you wise enough to know that you are not to keep your, to keep your humility, basically. He did not keep his humility. And also you kind of learn that there's a weird love triangle between these three Jedi sort of. The three

Jedi who've gone off to like go do this shit are He got fifth wheeled. He kind of got fifth wheeled. Yeah, exactly. I don't know like... I don't know if like a diary or something. Oh, it sounds kind of like he's like, yeah, he's like, oh

my two fellow hunters are giving them their passion. That's what they're just fucking all the time. So I'm going to go off by myself. They don't need me. So I'm going to go off and hunt this thing by myself and got up. Yeah, exactly. Well, and who are the other two people? One of them is a Keldroma. One of them, it is a descendant of our, of our friend Ullick and or, and or, not Gav.

Gav was from the first set of comics. K. K. K. K. Yeah. I think his name is, uh, Duran Keldroma, maybe, something like, yeah, Duran. Classic Keldromo.

Classic Keldroma move. Yeah, exactly. So we'll see more about them. But yeah, this is the first, this was the first one of these supposedly very scary, anti-force monsters not a big deal kind of a pushover yeah wasn't shit

ain't shit so you just walk right over to frere and you're like this look like the Bacassar and he's like sure does all right we can challenge chandar oh wild yeah he's like I'll meet you up there

and get my guys going well so here's the problem for us we had to go cash in some of those other requests that anything dealing with the Zerker Corporation, depending on how this breaks out, I guess, if you are not going to support Chundar from this point forward, you better go cash in those Zerker quests. You want to go save that dude, the guy who's like in the indentured circuit team, Eli and

Matten. You better do it right now. You will not get another chance. How much of speed that I leave on the table there? I'm just curious. I have no idea. Probably 400 or 500 depending on, yeah. Um, I, but can you, because I know when you go back to the elevator, the guy there immediately is like, you fucked up. You should have killed that guy. But we hear, we hear that he's up there and you kill him. But can you go up the elevator and then go back to the base and then go back to the, maybe that. No, because the thing, I feel like I got grabbed. I feel like I went up top and that was like, oh, right, we're right. We got to go right there right now. Right. We're going to, we're going to, yeah. Yeah, I don't think you get to run back to your ship and do any of that stuff. I think you have to go right to that.

Right to that every conversation. We're not Eli. Sorry, Matton. Sorry, Matton. What else is there other than the Matten? Maybe that's the only one. Or I don't know. I don't know if you can.

Yeah, I think that must be it. That must be the only actual quest up there, right? And then there's the telling. Because the wookie stuff, you can finish because I did that. Okay. Okay. So the elevator guards were the hardest fine on Kashik for me because they were hitting us with poison constantly.

Oh, yeah. So I had to keep burning through poison kits. and just actions in the middle of the fight to keep my guys from taking poison damage and use a consumable every round including anti-poison shit so yeah that's oh I also

notice something interesting in the options where you can go to traits and sort of like auto set like a fight type per character so like you can go for the Jedi and the joids and be like heal as often as you can or you can specifically, um, set someone to be your grenades guy without having to adjust at every, everything.

They will just blow through those grenades, though, is the problem. I wish it gave you like, I want the Final Fantasy 12 gambit system. I want to be able to say, use grenades when we have more than seven, you know? Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, I think there was a thing that was like, they won't use grenades if there's only one enemy, but otherwise it'll go through it. That makes sense. Well, in this whole game, it's like, you want mines?

I'm like, no. I never want mine. I should sell my mines. Go to Yav and sell your minds. Well, I know, I know. I've been thinking about it, but there's a big fight at the end of this game that mines are really useful for, as I'll say. I know, but I just want to be better.

The first time I ever beat this game, I used probably like 40 minds on that fight. Good God. This is going to have a real garbage end of game. The final fight sucks. Well, I don't know. We'll see what you're building. You might be fine. You might be fine.

You're going to have all these force powers. You're a consular. You might be fine. I feel like as an adult I might be able to get it. I feel like it's been harder than it was when I was a kid. I don't know. You know? Also, by the end, by the end, we'll all be able to look at guides.

Oh, sure. You know what I mean? Wait, so you all? Oh, yeah. Will we? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, because it's like a big boss fight.

You know what I mean? By the time we get to the final dungeon. the game will have it laid out when it is and you'll be like okay here's what the story is you know what I mean do Cotor 2 I want a build in front of me at least somewhat yeah totally because I definitely

fucked up some stuff with that but so wait did you did y'all go upstairs before getting the star map I got the star map first oh okay I went upstairs before getting the star map right so I was like because I just hadn't found that entire tucked away in a little of the forest you can miss it even though you find

It can look like the swoop bikes wrap around and that's the end of that section, but there's more. Do we just want to talk about the StarMap thing real quick? Yeah, because it's quick. It's a side thing weirdly. Further evidence for the Shutter Island theory of all this happening, you run into the, so you go up to the computer and the computer's like,

well, I'm programmed not to respond to, basically, in so many words, the computer's like, all non-authorized users are locked out of the terminal. Yeah. But I'm allowed to interact with you, but I need to confirm your identity. Well, it's not just you because other people have interacted with it before. There's a Zerker guy who's been interacting with it, and we learned that Jolie has interacted with it like 140 times.

Yeah, but Jolie just gets shut down. Yeah, because Jolie sucks at this. Jolie's not going to play the game. Right? No, it's like this thing is responding to you. like Jolie is getting like instant denied like Jolie comments on like this never happened for me. Yeah, Jolie gets instant denied. What happens when you start talking to it is it's like, well, on preliminary scan, like your personality is matching that of somebody I'm allowed to talk to.

But I just got to see that you can follow through on it. Like want to make sure that this is consistent basically. And he asks you a few questions to make sure that you're. the type of person he should be talking to, and the questions are interesting. Yeah. He says that the last builder, the computer hologram says that the last...

Oh, first of all, wait a second. What is it you're talking to? An a thorian. It is not an authoritarian. It looks like a Moncal, but not quite. It's not a Moncal either. We've never seen this species before. Is this a builder?

I don't know. I thought it was just some guy. It isn't just some guy. But it's a species we've never seen before. Oh, I read it as an Arthurian in my... As Arthurians have, like, the big, like, ribbonhead up with the... You know? Oh, sure, sure.

This just look more like a Moncow. Kindler. Mm, and in Kingler. Yeah, I guess it's, like, a Moncow, like, Rodeon mix, kind of. Because I thought... I didn't think he was rodeo, but I was like, oh, it's a Star Wars guy. I didn't really think of it. It's...

It's... Because if you really look at it, I just typed computer hologram. That's not going to do it. I ain't going to do it. Oh, I have all of these tabs open of strategy wiki.com. Oh, thank you. So I can probably find a picture of this guy record. Yeah, they're weird.

He says that the last time somebody successfully communicated with him was 29,642 years ago, right? No. No. He says five years ago. He says the last builder communication was 29,000 years ago. but that and that the thing before it this computer is five years old

wait the thing behind the computer is 29,000 years old because you can immediately be like wait a second or you fucking Revin talk to you did Revin build you and he's like I can't talk about Revin Oh Luke didn't ask any of those questions No of course not

Luke is not here to ask questions No he's does is not at all Did Luke match the wait did Luke even do this or did Luke just fight the things? So Luke, the first question that the computer asks you is like, wait, let's just set this up again. The computer is like, I think you might be the person, a person who I can talk to. I'm not

100% sure. And I'll, I'll see if I can trust you with the fucking Star Map coordinates. Right, exactly. I got to ask you some, some, I mean, I got to put you, it's a, it's a bio or video game. Do you know how the prisoner's dilemma works? How would you do this? Because it blows, It screws up laying out the premise. It really does. If you both accuse each other, you only get two years. And it's like, that's not, that's not what the fail state of a prisoner dilemma is.

That is the, why wouldn't we all do that then? That's the whole thing is that the cost for both of you accusing has to be highest, you know? Yeah. Anyway. But anyway, yeah. So you do that. And so if you give a light-sided response, it's like, hmm, this doesn't match the, profile that I'm supposed to speak with.

Interesting. And then it's coaching you through it. It's like, I'm just going to ignore this result. Really? Sorry, I guess that's a true. The prisoner's dilemma, the highest one is being accused without being the accuser. Yeah, because that's the one where you're like, you get really fucked over there. You get super fucked over if you are the nice person without being, if you're silent without.

Yeah. That's why the rational solve for the prisoner's dilemma is assume defection on both sides and just like do it. And just do it, which is what this. does, right? So yes. We should say that the, the builder, or the hologram specifically says you and Zalbar are in jail. Yeah, it's wild. And Luke, there's an option to ask how he knows about Zalbar and Luke didn't choose it, which infuriated me. The computer is like, oh, I know all sorts of things.

I'm aware of all the stuff that's happening on this planet, basically. I can't tell you that. Don't worry about it. Oh, my God. So he's like, yeah, so the question he, the prisoner's dilemma he lays out is that if you accuse him, you'll get, I forget what the year. Wait a second. First of all, we have to set up more about what this machine is. There's clearly the Star Forge, or the Star Map or whatever is here.

And then there's a big weird computer thing next to it with this hologram. It's like a login terminal effect. It's been like, wrapped it on to the front of this. And there's this hologram of an alien. And you can ask a bunch of other questions because it's presumably. Natalie, Luke didn't ask anything. Not really. Did you get the stuff about how maybe this thing is why Kishik is so big in terms of

like plants and stuff? Did you get any of that? Yes, he did ask. Okay. Yeah. And I think Jolie steps, somebody steps in and is like, oh, the wookie aren't going to want to hear this, that, you know, the Star Forge predates the trees, even the trees are alien to this planet.

Like the trees aren't actually a native species here. The computer says this utility was built to monitor planet-wide agricultural reformation. It has since malfunctioned. It can be theorized that the supergrowth of Kesheek's forests are a direct result. And that this would have happened 30,000 years ago, which is before the Republic.

And that what was 30,000 years ago, the record indicated this planet was incapable of sustaining sufficient levels of production. It could be theorized that produce was being exported it to support a larger demand. The idea of being like, oh, this was a, this was an agricultural world for the builders. And they were trying to like speed up food production. And then you did this machine broke and it like went super big and now everything is giant.

Or this was part of what they were trying to do is make a super food world, basically. And none of us had this, I think. But Zalbar can be down here with you. You can go deal with all the Zalbar stuff up top and then bring him down here. And he had him with me. Oh, okay. because he will straight up because I did this last. So he's like, no, no, the forest has always been here.

Right, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I had the other version of that, which is after you can talk to whoever you have in power, the person I had in power, and be like, oh, by the way, I saw this computer downstairs and said the trees didn't come from here. And he's like, I don't know why you would say that. I'm really upset that you said that. I've had a really long day. Can you just not say that again? That's very funny.

I get it, you know. I'm tired, bro. It's going to do. You're trying to, like, get from Penn Station back home and someone's like, you know, you know the earth is flat, right? Bro, I don't need this. I don't know. Have a good one.

This is, yeah, uh-huh, bye. So, yeah. Then, because it wants to know if you're a person who's allowed to access it, it says this, this machine was, this utility was built five years. ago to better access the ancient data stored within the pre-existing system. So this is like, this is like you found a computer from the 1980s and then you hooked up a new computer to it to like get, you're running DOS box, you know, to like be able to access some of this old, these old files.

That makes a little more sense. And it's very clear. Like, I don't know how it could be anybody but Revin who built this thing five years ago. This is the story of the game. Is Revan was here five years ago and built this or Malik, I guess, right? but like the Sith were here five years ago when they were chasing around the StarForge shit they built this thing to dig deeper.

I don't know why they didn't build this on the other ones. Yeah. Maybe there's more data here. Jolie. Was Jolie here? Jolie was here five years ago. Jolie's been there for 30 years. Yeah. So I don't know how Jolie missed this.

Fuck, we got to we got to keep Jolie out of this fucking Star Forge. Oh, maybe. Let's make this computer for it. Does Jolie talk about five years ago? He says, five years ago, I didn't notice it. This must have been installed in strict to secrecy. It couldn't have been Zirka.

I don't know how he would have missed. I guess it's a plant. But he has tried accessing it. No, no, no, but I mean, I don't know how he could have missed building it. But I guess the answer is, it's a planet. We're treating it like it's a little playground because that's sort of this for us. But for Joe Lee, maybe Joe Lee was like, you know, hanging out five years ago. Yeah, true.

So you're, what is exactly? the framing of the I mean does it matter it doesn't really matter okay it's it's the prisoner's dilemma it's you and zalbar if you and zalbar were in a in prison together and uh if you're willing to throw zalbar under the bus and call him a traitor uh he'll serve five years and you get out immediately uh he has the same deal but if you both accuse each other you both serve two years what do you do and right and the answer is don't trust zalbar and accuse uh accuse him and get yourself off scot free what's the computer say the reason for that is he's like good choice he's been shown to be unreliable and treacherous based on like the way that he's you know uh betrayed his family so

it's not just that it's his whole family is mired in treachery oh my god i miss that it's like It's like, what loyal, it says, Zalbar's family is mired in treachery. What loyalty do they know? It's fucked up. Which is wild. Yeah, I'm getting evil vibes from this fucking computer. This is an evil computer. But that's some good, that's some good dark side insidiousness where it's like, come on, look at these people.

How well do you really know Zolvard? Do you really want to, like, hell yeah, that's great. And then it becomes the dark side test, right? which is like a bunch of military situations. Hey, if you had information that one of your cities was going to come under attack, but also you had the secret, that same information told you the secret weak point of the enemy, you know, fleet, would you try to defend your city or go hit the enemy, the enemy, you know, forces?

Yeah. The thing specifically is you find out simultaneously that there's going to be a weak point in the city in 10 days, but that they're also planning an attack into five days. Do you defend your... Or we point in the enemy city, you mean? No, they're coming to attack you in five days. So are you going to let on that you have the information and defend yourself? Or are you going to let all of your people die so you can go kill them?

And the right answer is I'm going to let my city get attacked because if all of those people die, my forces will be even more involved. didn't. Right. Well, the thing is, there's like three versions of this is the thing. Right?

Or like this one story keeps going. And then he's like, all right. So now if, uh, shit, what's the next one? He's like,

you're running an evil space empire. Yes. And now you just, you discover an attack. Uh, do you, attack is coming. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like, okay, so everything's good. Um, but the, that's exactly it. Yeah. Everything's like kind of chill and mellow, like the, the, you're opposing, you know, your opposition has kind of like faded into the background. There's like not a lot going on. Um, but there, you know that there's an attack coming. Do you stop the attack and in you kind of frame it like, oh, the city needs heroes. Like, I'll stop the attack. And another hero thing here. Yeah. And then, uh, or you can be like, no, you have to let it happen so that you can retaliate after. And, and. And then, uh, or you can be like, no, you have to let it happen. So that you can retaliate after. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. Uh,

And then that's heroic because now you're avenging the death of, you know, this tragedy. Or I, like, you stop it before anyone gets hurt or whatever. And the right answer, yeah, go ahead. Well, because if you stop it, then the, like you, if you stop it, then the people were like, oh, there was nothing wrong. So you didn't do it right. yeah well it's like oh your people will become complacent and like because they don't see you as like a strong force they are like more likely to kind of rebel against you or be just you know like not it says you've coddled them yeah yeah yeah yeah and the way to do it is to is to let it happen uh quote it makes the most strategic sense

your people rally beneath you against the common foe as their eyes turn outwards your rule will strengthen the trappings of war grant many opportunities. And that is when it's like, all right, yeah, you're who you say you are. You're allowed to touch this thing. So what's weird is you never get to be like, I'm lying. Oh, yeah, you can fail this. You can fail this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But what's weird is you don't get the option. You know what you're talking to the Jedi Council? Yeah. And you'd be like, yeah, oh, I love the Jedi Code for sure. Lye. Lie in bracket. It's weird that that's never an option here. And you get dark side points simply for saying the words.

which is like an interesting. I thought that was super weird. That's really weird. The idea that like, or that I get light side points for saying, I would stop the attack. You didn't fucking do anything. Watch this. I would stop the attack. I would stop the attack.

Am I like grinding light side points? Wow, he's so good. What the fuck you're talking about game? Well, it's a test. It's a computer. I get it. You're like embodying one of these things or you're like, you're saying, you're supposedly answering genuinely.

And there are lots of ways to try to. be, like, tricky about it. You're like, uh, uh, I don't do anything so that I can see their weak spot later and then save more lives. And it's like, no, stop it. Stop trying to hide behind the greater morality. Earlier, you can be like, I'll give my people good defenses and I'll hit the bad guys. And it's like, no, it's not play the game.

And that's like, I get it. But it's silly that you can't. Because the game being played is very clear at this point, you know. Um, and it's, and you get. scolded by your friends again. If you've Carth and Mission here, I can't believe you just let those people die. There's no people.

There's no people. We're playing a video game. I was taking the 9-11 was an inside job quiz. Which 9-11 was an inside job? All a member of the Bush cabinet, were you? Yes. Yeah, it's absurd. And the machine shuts down and you get access to the star map.

but yeah the entire thing is like why will the machine only talk to you why does it need to match your personality with this previous user if you fail they send like a bunch of droids on you and after you kill the

defense droids the computer will just say you know I watched you in that fight and I'm actually getting the right vibes from you now so on further inspection of just the way you behaved in that fight, I'm going to go ahead and say

you're the right person I'm supposed to be talking to. So go ahead and take that star map for yourself. That's how I got through this. Is my doing that? For what it's worth, I think that's supposed to be like, if what you want is experience points, that is the best way to do it. Maybe that's

what Luke is doing. I think that makes sense. It does seem like he's getting a ton of experience at a lot of different of these like kind of mission points. You get the, because Because what you're doing is, like, people play this game, they want to max their dark side or their light side. And so what he was doing probably is that.

He's like, oh, let me max out my dark side points as best as I can. And then before the thing ends, say something, quote, unquote, wrong so that I also get the XP from killing the toys. I mean, that is what he did in the Zirka encampment. He, like, did the Kath quest or catch cat. Yeah, that makes sense. The monkeys. And then, and then. Pack.

Yeah. Anywho. So. I'm really annoyed that I got a ton of dark side points, though, just for answering the questions. This is what I'm saying. I mean, like, look, I'll put them to use. Like, there's some powers that maybe are going to be cheaper now. They're interesting.

But, like, that's not how it's building this character out. Like, it's absurd. You'll, for what it's worth, it's like four. You'll make it back the other way. You'll have plenty of opportunity to gain light still. It's not that big of a deal. But, like, again, it is, it is, I think it's mostly interesting because it's saying, metaphysically, when a computer asks you a question,

and you say a thing to it, it's real. The God cares, you know, the force cares if you said to a computer. That's why Leon gets so mad about that turtle. Right. Uh-huh. Yeah. Like, no. It's, I'm a computer.

Yeah, no, it's real to me. What's a turtle? So, I guess I was probably full up on light side points because of how awesomely, uh, I handled the chundar situation. Uh, once, once I got top side. Oh, we should note really quick. It was a small thing. Joel Lee calls this thing an ancient artifact of dark side power.

When you get the star map, that's, he's like, I always knew there was something weird down here. An ancient artifact of dark side power. I wonder if the star map had an effect on the evolution of the creatures here in the shadowlands might explain why it's so dangerous down here. So he's on board with this theory. The star maps are not just maps, but they change the environment in some way. and that it's evil which I think is the first time we've heard the idea that not only is it powerful

but like it's dark side so but it's very non it's very anticlimactic I think even compared to last time where at least Calo Nord showed up afterwards to be like I mean first of all last time it's tied to the the crate dragon stuff so there's like a quest in on it

and then there's the Calo Nord shows up to fuck you up unless again unless this is the first place you came which it would give it a little bit more something no Calo Nord Calo Nord shows up when you descend into the like the first time you descend

it's like right at the beginning weird okay yeah strange not even a good timing then for him to show it's not really random at all it's like you feel like uh oh like you just bump into him it's because untatchingly it feels like he's been like lying in wait with a hole on me

totally and he's like oh you just to deal with this other thing and now you're gonna be at your weakest you have to deal with the sand raiders coming for you and do no you like get off the elevator and he's just there And you're like, what the fuck are you doing here? And he just randomly has two evil wookies with him. That's so funny. So how'd you handle the chandar situation?

Okay. I got a lot of wookies killed. Should I say mine? Because it's fast. Sure. And I feel like y'all have more. I mean, it's got to be fast. So we, we go upstairs.

So Luke kills the beast. He takes the sword for himself. Oh, wait, so you still can do that? Yeah, he did that before seeing Freer. Oh, interesting. Okay. We got the sword. We noted that the Hilt was missing.

And then we saw Frere killed him. And then, you know, time goes on. We go back upstairs. When we go back upstairs, we're taken immediately to Chundar's throne room. And Chundar's like, you know, Well, you know, you killed some of the circuit down there. It's going to be a little annoying, but I'm just going to give him a couple extra slaves for it. And, oh, the first thing, Zalbar is like, I've seen the light.

Chondar is right. Breyer was a turncoat. He was crazy. I am not like. Wait, how does Zalbar arrive with this? Is it just because you show up in your dark side of it? Like, how does Zalbar? You show up and Zalbar's like,

Chondar and I have been talking while you've been gone. We did this too. Yeah. I didn't. What? Yes, you did. You had to have. When you show back,

this is the part where I'm like, I hate this, actually. Because when I show back up, Zalbar is like, I've been talking to Chundar and the things he's saying is they're all starting to make a lot of sense to me. yeah and like what the fuck are you talking about zalbar you have to be oh and then he eventually goes like i don't know who i'm supposed to sign with

well there's no option for oh i bet it's just it's just chundar being like anyway um like you know i hope you got what you needed here and i think i'm gonna find a place for zalbar but maybe it's best that you just like take them with you for a little bit and uh you can be you can just like, Luke just like was like, okay, I'm gonna go now and he's like, wait, don't you want like some sort of reward? And you're kind of like, yeah, I guess so.

And he's like, if only there was like, the only thing I could think of would be like this blade, this sword we used to have, but I only have the hilt. He just gives it away? And yeah, and then you can just be like, well, I got the sword part. So, and then Zalbar is like,

oh my God, Baca's blade. Like, I can take that and I'll go with you. And Chondar's like, you can be like, I don't really give a fuck about a blade, Zalbar. I'm looking for money. And then Zalbar yells at you and it's like, Baka's blade now. And then you can be like, okay, okay. And you take the blade and then you and Zalbar just walk out. And that's literally it.

And you go upstairs. Okay. So I'm, when you get back, you could be like look I got the blade and the sun and frayers here one thing one thing about when you take the sword away uh Zalbar or Chandar tells you he's like this is the start of a new era getting rid of this sword he's like we're doing away with tradition

like this is everything's going to be different now and under my rule things are just going to be better for the the wookie here and we just don't need these these dumb old traditions anymore What we need our jobs Delvar was like I ain't going to be here

Zalbar is literally like save me a spot I'm going to go with him for a little bit It's so fucked up It's so fucked up and the literal thing that he says When you came back From killing Freyer Is Oh so did you

You killed you killed the Mad Claw then And and straight up says like, yeah, I've really come around on the way that Chundar has been seeing things. So, you know, that's, which is so sad to me. It sucks. It sucks. So bad. It's horrible. He's, he fully is like brainwashed. Does Chundar told me who the mad claw was? Have you done it then? Have you killed my father? And then, and then after like having a little bit of conversation, he says, I've been reminded of how Freer cast me out. I see how easily he has been disposed of himself. We are stronger

without him, Chundar's way is better. But whereas for us, when we show up, Freyer's already there. Like you said, Rob, he runs ahead. And Chunder's like, you got Bacca's blade. Who cares? I have the hilt. All the chieftains have the hilt. They don't have the blade.

Who cares about the blade? We all have our trinkets. What's important is who follows who? Who's strong and who's weak? And Zalbar's like, shut up. Both of you. This ends today. Stop fighting.

And you can try to like, You can be like, we could all work together, but you can also. I was curious about that one, because it was like, is this actually the true lightside option where it's like, you know, Chandar makes some good points? Sometimes you got to deal a few slaves to save the village. So you can, you can imagine what this is, Rob, which is you go, could we work together? Or you say, do we have to fight, talk it through? And Zalber says, could we work together? It would be difficult.

And you can then say, convince them, avoid this needless slaughter. And then Chundar is like, no? What are you fucking talking about? I have Zerka support. I say you'll die. And then you get the fight. But yes, Rob, that is the plus six light-sided points instead of the only plus four when when Zalbar says, I don't know what to do.

Chundar has been telling me things. He makes sense, I think. I don't know. Again, this is the point that I'm like, I don't, this isn't for me to decide, dude. I'm not going to tell Zalbar whether he should side with his. brother or his father, you know, I know what I would do, but like, you know, that's, why the fuck are you asking, you just met me. I know you've this life debt for me and all, but the second that I'm telling you how to deal

with this situation is the second that stops feeling like a life debt or a life bond or whatever and starts feeling like you're my slave. Like, that's the line for me. This is the weird part about Byerware games where you, as a player character, are also playing the NPCs at a certain point, like, by- I wish it was just that, though. I would so much rather it just say, you're Zalbar now.

Yeah. Uh-huh. But it's like, it's this like proxied decision making that sucks. Yeah. Like you go, so I said, and maybe this is also what everybody else said, I said, uh, side with, side with frayer, uh, chandar is, is selling slaves. Um, and Zalbar is like, is that the best course? And it's like, you're going to ask me twice?

And if you do the other way, if you're like, side with chundar, he's like, are you sure? I like, I, which is where I was like, I don't care, just get on with that. And Jolie was like, wait, isn't that my line? That's really good. Shout out. Is that just like classic, like, are you sure you want to go down this path? Yes, 100%. Yeah.

But the path is, I got to tell you, we're not coming back here for much. Right. Especially not now. What? How to roll out for y'all. you the rest of us all side with franger yeah yeah yes yeah turns into a fight it had to kill everyone in that room and like wookies are killing wookies out in the streets you don't see much evidence this but you hear about it people were like siding with jondar

like getting getting you know got during the uprising but you have to kill the zirka guards that he has guarding him plus his like personal bodyguard um and then him uh and so it's like a knife fight in a phone booth. Like, it is a little room in here. It sucks. Yeah. That sounds rough. Again, Joe Libindo made everyone in that room

canonically insane. Use the power force insanity. And everyone went, ah, my head. And then I went, Dubbs level mid-fight. Oh, hell yeah. So, like, the fight went off. He stuns and kills

a Zerkegaard. He gets the, wow. Yeah. And, like, chimey sound. And I go in and I'm like, Force whirlwind seems useful. And boy, was it.

Immediately. He's just air juggling. Like, suddenly, suddenly everyone's playing like smash melee, basically in there. It's just like, oh, I just, I can't come down. God. And, yeah, we just cleaned house. I forget, does the healing mid-combat in this game

instantly also heal you up? Sorry, does the leveling mid-combat in this game also immediately? That's why I did it mid-fight because it was like, I could use some health. A little extra freebie. It did not. Oh, it does not. Oh.

I thought it did, but maybe I'm... It does out of combat. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, you fight this fight. Natalie, the same thing kind of happens from a different direction, which is like, Freyer is like, oh, I'm sad. It came to this.

I really didn't mean for this to go bad. You can talk about what the situation is. And Frears like, yeah, we'll fight the slavers. We'll try our best to like, you know, I'm done with this deal-making shit. It could go bad, but we could. got to do what we got to do. And before you leave, Zalbar's like, I have a request, I want the sword. And one of the options you can have is Zalbar, shut up.

I want some credits. Which I feel like the person who wrote that was watching South Park when they wrote it. That's the vibe I get. It's like, that's a Cartman line. What are we doing? Yeah. Cartman's playing Cotor, actually. Yeah.

You get the sword. sword's good And then you roll outside Oh yeah Yeah he's like I don't know what this means for me But I'm gonna travel more And perhaps I can come back to Kashik

I hope so I hope this you figure this out I kind of don't like Salbar Well he just turned into such a little baby Such a little baby He's going through it He's going through it What are you what

A little baby Don't let your breath of gas like you Natalie You start you're watching Luke And Luke Ficanta Getting in the little brain And being whispering No, I just want Zalbar to be strong

Like, come on, like Zalbar tried being strong And he got exiled Yeah Needs to go live on fucking Haris and be bullied by Wishing But I think it's the fact that

Like he's the sort of dude Who like didn't kill it like Yeah He should have shot the prince Didn't yeah Didn't didn't close Yeah then does get bullied by a teen like by a tween

and then he's like I don't know Chundar talked to me five for five minutes and now I'm like maybe we should sell wookies into slavery I mean that's the worst part for me for sure and I'm like you bet you broke too easy you know what just get back and board the fucking ship make me some grenades damn you can't have this rolling around I don't know that I should give you some more speaking getting back to the ship you leave the village

And it's, it's revolution time. They're fighting on the Great Walkway. They are fighting in the docking bay. Zirka, who? It's done. Hell yeah. All those people are dead. Good.

You roll your way back. Yeah, and that's like, yeah. I hope you didn't buy anything. Wait, so is Matt, is Matt, are Matt, they're just not there? They're just not there. Okay, okay. The, the experience that you have are wookie, are in fight, are fighting Zerka corporation people.

You can join those fights. And that's it There's no talking to anybody There's no just going back to the ship It's on site Yep I fuck with that It's fun

What about the The Thorian inside the What happened to him? Didn't find his body The whole office is empty That's right The whole office is empty It's possible

The defense is held long enough For those guys to leave Yeah I can imagine It doesn't seem like it Because when So where are the other ships I fast traveled to the Evan Hawk Oh.

And if you come down, the fight scene still triggers. So you see like guys getting killed by where Eli and Matanar by Wiki. So I'm not sure anyone made it to the landing pad because it sort of seems like the uprising started from every angle. Yeah, I think they're done for. You know what's great is a lot of those plastic steel containers have been refilled with new loot to get as you run through the place. Love that. Oh, wild. That's fun.

Yeah. That is fun. So yeah. that's kind of cashache like not much i mean i know we've been recording for two hours two and a half hours but it's really straightforward compared to i think tattooing there's not like this sort of like it's the first time we've been on a planet that doesn't i guess that's true dan it's more like dan toine in some ways but it feels smaller and more constricted than dantuan it doesn't have the big open planes of dantuan where there are multiple pathways in and out of each map um and it doesn't

have the tattooing thing of their being or the taurist thing of like here's the the guild of here's the bounty hunting guild here's the the soup racing bike club here's the hunters whatever right right yeah there are a lot of side quests on tattooing yeah right and also all of the side quests are sort of isolated from each other in a way that you don't see like jolly doesn't really interact with anybody there's the mandolorean um they you know that wookie doesn't talk to anybody else and that situation doesn't interact with anybody else um and then again that like a lot of these quests felt like they just ended with dead air. And I don't

know if that's just how I was plagued it, but a lot of it was just like, oh, we're fighting now and that's it. Yeah. Well, and I think that's part of it too is like, I guess in a weird way, it's just really anticlimactic because I think in part because Zalbar is so like this family

drama comes to a head without any drama. Like Zalbar's like, I don't know, because it's got to set aside the possibility for like, you could steer Zalbar toward the evil out come here and that's a very silly place like to me the funny to me the thing is like the dark side option I feel like that that could come through here is not necessarily oh you're gonna help chundar stay in power and work with zirka it's I kind of felt like did I accidentally stumble into the dark side option because we had wukies like gunning each other down in the streets by the

end and like this throne room is covered in blood metaphorically but like so you know I come to the this is where it's like I wish there was a three because I think that that's still more light side than siding with the slavers but you kind of wish that there was a broader set of I kind of wish that there were more than just those two outcomes you know and I think there's an element of like fuck it it's go time and if people aren't on the right side of this that's just tough shit and the whole issue is like everyone has found this really painful because like on some level everyone knows chandar is not who he seems to be but they're all kind of stuck with with him. And so I think it is, it is frustrating at the end where it's like, if we were looking

for, did we resolve this with like the least unnecessary bloodshed and, you know, find a better way to like, you know, get all the ducks in a row. No, the thing kind of ends and just like bloody chaos. Forget Zirka. Forget like people getting cut down there. They get what's coming to them. But the entire thing is like our solve for this is basically the trigger very brief, very bloody wookie civil war and the premise for Zolbar's entire arc is the worst thing that a wookie can do

is like attack another wookie now admittedly there's a thing with the claws but I think it reflects a deeper we are such a passive as society yeah yeah yeah like this is the deepest trauma societally that we can inflict and then at the end it's like I don't know man the guy with Bacca's blaze said we had to kill these guys

so it's fine so we did well it's interesting because As Joel Lee is introduced on this planet and is explicitly says, I see gray, and is kind of carving out like a third, a third path, a third way of seeing the force outside of light and dark. But the video game needs to give you a response to your actions. So naturally, like, if you're not getting light side points or dark side points, if we've brought up, and then nothing happened. Like, I didn't get any points.

We're confused. Like, we're like, I don't understand what the game thinks of that action if it's a neutral action. Right. So it's like, it's kind of holding, it's kind of gesturing towards that third space, but,

or third perspective, rather, but there's no, like, material. There's nothing like... There's nothing formal that actually, like, supports that third, the third position. Yeah. And weirdly,

Tatooine might have been a better place for Jolie because like it feels like there are ways that the resolution with the Tuskins does have or the sand people does have a third position which is like the the dude says I'm not going to tell you we're going to stop fighting these people fighting the bzorkas or the humans we're going to keep doing it and if what you want is for us to fully stop well too fucking bad we're not going to do it you better kill us all and to me that's like a great version of Jolie being like listen to kid. Sometimes what you get is the sand people will stop attacking so much and you help them get their water moisturizers and so they'll leave soon and that'll bring like a sense of peace I guess to this place. But like that's going to be like the most bloodless way this goes. They're not going to say they're going to stop defending their place. The fundamental truth is this is, yeah, this is still their home. Right. And they're still outsiders who are exploiting their land like attacking like as As long as they are a target of violence, they are going to react and resist with violence as well. And it's like that is a fundamental truth that is not, they're saying we won't seek out, you know, killing, you know, outsiders on tattooing as much.

But if we are attacked, we will not promise you we won't offend ourselves, which I, I respect that. I mean, that is, yeah, I feel like that's the part of... That makes me wonder, actually, I want to go look up. What does Jolie say if you had him on Tatuline? Because you could. That's a good question. Right? Like, if you brought him to the enclave, does he have little comments about the situation

and are they good or are we all about to walk back some Jolie love because he says some fucked up shit? Let's find out. Oh, no. Let's find out together. Any guesses? Any, any, I'm expanding, I'm on this page with all of the different dialogue and the game expanding every single thing all right here we go search for jolly i bet he says

three things he says nothing he doesn't say a fucking word that was going to be my bet that doesn't say a word in all the opportunities where i would like more dialogue in this game this game is always let me yeah i guess it's already such an hk forward thing so i mean hk because hk has to be there for that right yeah and he does like back the the sand people in that moment he's like you can't expect them not to like continue to defend themselves like to you're going to well he's mostly like

don't offend them watch out like don't I don't know that he backs them so much as like has yeah well he's got that protocol droid energy though where it's like I'm happy to slaughter everyone here in fact that prefer I would love it do realize that pushing this point is going to be the thing that causes everyone to get dead

yeah that is the thing that is the thing yeah what a cool droid you bring him out more yeah um anybody repair him probably not yet not yeah i'm like afraid to i have zero repair i looked at my stats and i was like the hk this is not i mean all you should read or watch the hk dialogues then because they're worth they're worth reading um yeah that's kishik uh-huh all right so where we headed next we're going to manon and i need to say something because of the way this works and we could do there's ways to do it and there's ways to do it but i think that the way to do it

is this. Go do all of Manon stuff until it's time to go to the Star Map. Because what's going to happen on Manon is you're going to get some side quests that, I'm sorry, we're going to do the Star Map too, but I want you before you go do the Star Map main quest, which you'll know you're about to do because you have to go to a thing called Hrack Art Station. Manon is a water planet. And so we're going underwater, folks. And so before you go under water and go do all that, I believe this is when it has to, this is before that happens, you're going to get some quests that take you off world. The most important one of these is the Gino Harrodon quests. There are these like, I guess like assassins. After you've, after you've beaten Calo Nord, this quest

opens up. And there are, there's a group of assassins, I think, called the Gino Harrodin, or or bounty hunters or whatever, and they, they give you quests across the different, uh, the different planets. Now, you, these do give you dark side points, but it's only like two to four dark side points each. And they also do give you lots of good equipment. So if you want to do that quest line, if you find out about the Gino Harrodin stuff, go do all of the Gino Harrodin stuff, which exists on Dantuan, Manan, Tatooin, Kashik, and then another one on Manon, before going down and doing the Star Map. Because once we go do this next Star Map, we are going to go do a non-planet thing in the

next episode. And so, and there's no, there's like, again, think about BioWare games. You know, you hit like a, not a full point of no return, but a point of like short term no return. Like, oh, we got to go do the midgame boss fight. That will be happening after Manon. Yeah, this is the mess effect your crew got kidnapped or whatever sort of situation. Exactly.

And I guess the other things that what you want to do is, like, trigger carts, sidequest thing, trigger, candoruses. Does that it be in a particular place or just any way? No. Yeah, with all of these, it tends to be you run into a specific character when you, on a landing bay. Okay. That's right. But there are, if I'm remembering right, some of them only trigger on certain, some of them don't trigger on certain places. so yeah there's a there's like a table somewhere we'll post the table not we're not going to post it to

the internet go find on the internet rob and natalie i'll show you i'll find the table and show it to you um so we're gonna we're gonna do these quests that carth and candor's generate we don't need to do them don't do carts carts takes you to corbin so we don't need to do carts but just make sure they're all triggered before this the one you don't want to trigger you have these conversations that lay the groundwork exactly don't do jihani yes don't do jihani we'll do jihani we'll do Johani after this next set of them. The other thing is, after you get the star map, make sure everyone's leveled up, make sure everyone has equipment that you're happy with.

Uh-oh. Uh-huh. I got to play some Pazak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I want to say after that, maybe before that, let's say before you go to the star map, because I don't remember exactly, like, I don't know that if you can go to Yavin after we get this star map. You know what I mean?

Gotta go play some Pazak. You got to go play some Pizak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. And we are going to, we will wrap the Bastila quest and we will help Griff get his microbrewing operation, his mob-backed microbrewing operation off the ground. If we do all that stuff and find that Manan is big enough that we don't have time to do all this talk about all the side stuff and the, the Manon stuff, I think what we'll do is just talk about Manan and then do the side stuff with the next big section because the next big section is not a whole planet. It's like a dungeon, you know? But probably deserves its own episode.

So, all right. So that's the plan for our next regular episode. Next week, however, Patreon backers will get to hear us talk about Tales of the Jedi, getting to the saga of Nobys Sunrider and Exarcoon and... Ullick Keldromo. Chadley? Chadley. Ullick Keldromo.

And see how it all works out for them. Sets up. As we discovered. Sorry, you won't hear about next week. Sorry, that's next month or whatever. Just spoiled the reveal. Cato cut that, and then bleep it. And then keep bleeping.

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