A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 83: Wings of the Master and Blood Sisters (Rebels 22 - 23)

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

After Season 2's strong start, the crew of the Ghost is finally settling into a lower key rhythm, which has both ups and its down. On the plus side this week, we get a loving look at the B-Wing (an all time great Star Wars ship design) and some more Sabine and Hera backstory! On the other... well, that backstory ain't all that great, and we're really feeling to limits of these one-off episodes.  Support the show by going to Patreon.com/civilized! Next time: Rebels 24 & 25 ("Stealth Strike" and "The Future of the Force") Show Notes The Acolyte Trailer Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Ricardo Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)    

Let us return once more to a more civilized age, a Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakini, joined by Ali Akpura, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are, as always, supported by you are listeners via patreon.com slash civilized. So head over there if you'd like to support the show and get access to all our Q&A episodes. This week, we spend a little time with Heron and Sabine learning a bit more about their backgrounds and motivations while finally satisfying the legions of Star Wars fans who have been clamoring

for the B-Wing Starfighter to make an appearance. At long last the B-wing is here, the final character of rebels. New member of the crew. We don't got a dream no more. We got real shit. We got the B-wing. Here, I thought we were all going to be

jazz to talk about Sabine finally having some character backstory and all you guys care about is goddamn ships. Is this a bit? Do we care about the B-wing? You don't care about the B-Wing.

I know you guys care about the B-Wing because you guys are some Star Wars squadrons freaks. I was having this moment of like, oh, toy of the week. Last time we got the funny droid. This time we have a new ship. Funny ship. The B-wing is like a...

The B-wing is an institution. The B-wing was in Return the Jedi as like one of the cool new ships then it was the toy of the week 30 years ago thank you very much and it fucking rules and was you know it's been underserved by

by mainstream stuff since then oh okay perhaps because it only really appears in like two shots and return of the Jedi and then we don't see a lot of the B-wing but it plays a big role in some of the video games but we will I'm sorry I got too hype apparently when I brought the B-Wing because now the dogs just going wild down there.

Why is Papa making those noises? Battering my feet on the floor, falling out of my chair. It's because there's BWROWs. Pop only makes those noises when the B-Wing comes up when he's distressed about the lack of respect being paid to classic Star Wars. No, it's fine.

I'm looking at the B-Wing has a lot of technical specifications on the Wikipedia. I didn't even know. that we had names for the individual hyperdrive systems. This is video game stuff, right? You would switch those out. It's video game stuff, but it's also like just extended universe stuff. It's, it's Rebel Squadron, it's not Raid Squadron.

It's not Raith Squadron. What's the one that are what am I thinking of? This is the X-Wing series books. It's the X-Wing series books. Thank you. Sorry, those are X-Wing pilots mostly. Race Squadron. It's like those encycloprath, yeah, I mean, yes, yes.

And it is the extended universe like setting encyclopedias. You know, it's the like, you know, the ships of Star Wars. You know all about the quad-dex Cairo Master Ion engine with four thrusters and the Fabretect ANV-9Q sensor array. Well, I'm not really a sensor array guy. Yeah. And the surplex ZR 41 shield generator The big thing is that the cockpit is gyroscopic

Which is why the whole ship moves around it Instead of the cockpit moving Yeah, that part was cool Which was cool when they dreamt it up in 1981 or whatever You know Still got it It's still Mostly it's like a cool asymmetric fighter

design. And we don't get a lot of those in Star Wars. We get a lot of like this thing has an X wings. This thing is like an arrow shaped. This thing is like a Y. And this is a B wing, even though it doesn't look like a B, as we learned today retroactively because it's the blade wing, I guess. And it's just neat. It's just like cool asymmetric design. I think that it reminds me a lot of the sorts of starships you would find on. Pulp era like 1950s, 1930s, you know, sci-fi pulp magazine covers and then Pulp Novel covers. There's that style of like asymmetry has a lot of dynamism to it.

It's just a classic design. It was kind of like, you know, cheap and easy pop for me to be like, oh, we're going to do a B-Wing episode. And they named the fucking mechanic Quarry, like Ralph McQuarrie, right? Yes. That was cute. Yeah. And we got some hair of stuff in that episode.

which we should get to. We should explain what this episode is. Was there any other setup stuff? No, we'll just get into it. So Wings the Master, the rebels are trying to break an imperial blockade to deliver food supplies to a starving planet. When their first try, operation... Which is wild. Sorry, you keep going.

We'll come back around. Their first try, Operation Fly Freaders straight into a wall of Imperial warships doesn't pan out. So Rex mentions there's an engineer out there with a prototype Blockade Buster on the planet's Shantapole. so harris sets out to meet shipmaster quarry on a planet where ships lose power the moment they hit atmosphere and never come back this seems like a major problem but after harris crashed landing it doesn't really come up again seemingly either way she demonstrates the purity of her heart and motivations to the engineer who lets her test drive his new b wing in a series of images to the rocketeer and top gun armed with the b wing she rejoins the rebel fleet just in time to rec house and secure a place with the rebellion as the new phoenix leader because you know again things didn't go well with the first attempt to get through that blockade so there's a vacancy uh that's and also she opines about being a kid and looking up at the stars and looking up at the spaceships from the from the uh the clone ships we'll get to that we get to it what do we think of this model of like

what phoenix squadron is up to where it's like their wandering band of dukehers fighting a guerrilla War, but unlike typical guerrillas, they have to come up hiding to deliver groceries to various places under Imperial Blockade. Well, like, an Imperial Blockade explicitly meant to starve people to, but those people are also working in the mines for them or something? Mm-hmm. That's a little weird. It's a little weird.

There's a lot of like dastardly things happening together, like it's sort of thrown in a blender where they're starving those miners and we need to bring them their grain and they don't let us bring the grain so they can work the imperial minds more what is the end game here guys yeah kind of draw the plot on that one I will say a fun note early on is they um uh what's his face is here um callous and he calls them a rebel squadron like to their like overcoms he says rebel squadron da da da da and that feels like they went up a tear, like they went up a notch in respect

to be called Rebel Squadron and not just like Rebel Scum or Bandit. You know what I mean? Like criminals, they're not just criminals anymore. Being recognized as a faction, as a resistance entity. Squadrons are organizations.

They're not just banned. I would love... And he's hailing them trying to warn them off rather than engaging right away. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

he doesn't like direct immediately engage and go after them like I think that that's a big part of this episode for me that Callis seems to have bigger goals than just getting into like little tussles with the rebels like he's not going to chase after them every single time there seems to be a larger plan for how how to deal with the rebels I would love to see how our Phoenix squadron is getting assigned? Like, I know we, we, is it, uh, Sato, like, right at the beginning? That's like, hey, go, like, I would just love to have more. He's the guy. He's their commander. Yeah, Sato is definitely like the head, the head of this band of rebels, for sure.

I'd love to just understand. But I don't know that we know who, like, Phoenix One is at the beginning of this. Right. Right. I'd love to understand, like, how, how are people making contact with this particular Rebel Squadron? How are they, like, requesting aid? How is that network work? Who's, who's the- Isn't it, Asoka?

Isn't that kind of what we understand? My read is, like, in the first season, a lot of the action was coming off of intel or requests delivered by, what's the, I'm exhausted. What's the name? Folkrum. which turned out to be Asoka. And so Fulcrum theoretically is the go-between for all these different groups. But like, and I guess we kind of get by the end of the episode that the miners are also sympathetic to the rebellion, the burgeoning rebellion in some way. And so maybe there's a contact there already.

But I do get your purpose. I do get what you mean, which is like we've only gotten it in flashes. We've only gotten the like deliberation phase, which is, hey, Minister Tua wants us to come rescue her. Now let's all get into the war room and debate it with each other. Theoretically, that probably happened just off screen before this episode about going to deliver wheat to these guys on this planet. But, like, what's the step right before that when it isn't? Minister Tua calls you from your friend's bar. Yeah.

Exactly. Well, and I do think that Asoka's tech, as far as we know, is off on her own mission right now, right? Like she, the last we saw her, she said that, you know, she had to do some of her own, her own investigating. Investigation, yeah. Googling Anakin Skywalker, last known location. Anakin Skywalker dead. Anakin Skywalker funeral.

Anakin Skywalker on Facebook. Is this the Anakin Skywalker you meant? Another quick note early on here that is interesting to me about the way that they're setting a Phoenix Squadron. And, you know, maybe this wraps back around to the thing that you set up already, Robert, is that she takes over Phoenix Squadron in the end. But they got faces now. These pilots are no longer, the members of the rebellion are not faceless the way they were in episode one of this season,

with the helmets pulled over their heads, the same way that the hats are pulled low on the Imperials. And the Thai Fighter pilots, obviously, they have on Thai Fighter masks, our helmets. Now the Phoenix Squadron guys have, like, partially see-through helmets with their. They're kind of glass up so you can get a little more of their individual character, which I'm guessing means we're going to get more of them as we continue, especially with Hera kind of taking over as like squadron leader by the end, which again speaks to some of this like, okay, like they're starting to mesh a little bit more, you know? They're not faceless soldiers alongside each other.

There's a couple, like, it does feel, I am curious, especially because like I'm sure Saw Guerrera is out there and we're going to come face. to face with like what his whole deal is because here's the thing the vision of like what these rebels get up to throughout this series

is like very Saturday morning cartoon vision of like rebellion and resistance it's like they're doing the same shit they're doing on Mothal it's like there's people who need food

we're gonna we're gonna operate a militant food bank which is cool yeah in general not how like parallels to

like rural resistance movements, control of food supply does be a huge part. Sometimes they're bringing the food, but sometimes it comes with conditions and a lot of times denial of food as the other tool in the box. They're not going to do that here. Right. We haven't seen them start to starve off an imperial planet, for instance. Right. Right. They're not running, they're not running blockades on, like there's a world where they are stopping food from getting to Lothel because Lothel is an imperial powerhouse, right? that's the Saw Guerrera technique. It's like, fuck it, starve the Imperials out.

And if the people on the planet get mad about that, awesome. Good. They should. You know, but we have not seen that. And we'll see if we get there. It is very much like the rebellion as like showing up to the old lady's house with bags of groceries, you know, being like, want to make sure you get your snacks. But the other part of this is it does kind of feel like, especially. here it feels like what callus has realized is if they're dumb enough to just keep trying to break

this blockade i'm just going to sit here and keep killing them like they're making it real easy like i got to say just like if i'm running an insurgency i'm probably not doing it this way which i think is maybe what we start to get to where after after the attack completely fails uh because literally they just hit the gas on the slowest ships you've ever seen trying to get through it they lose a whole transport filled with food they just it blows up in space like it's not like oh we had to retreat it's gone they lost that piece to getting through and then they lose a bunch of fighters along the way including phoenix leader and after that you know there's the conversation about like they've got no things are really

marginal for this for this uh this planet there is no times they have to just try again right away and they're just going to run it again is kind of the theory and her is like this time i'll be in the lead and i can get through and i do like at this point rex stepping and being like hold on what about and he just happens to know a guy this is yeah this is this is he's the new uncle yeah he's yeah he's gonna yeah he i know a guy who's got a blockade buster in his garage you might let you fly it do you think you Rex is just on some like old old Cone War vet like BBS 100% situation like a bullet you know what I mean he's like yeah I know a guy on this

planet he always posts about this old you know blockade runner dude it's like he's like he's like on AV forum AVS forums or whatever yeah home theater forums uh where it's just like poster rig hey got weird issues with like anyone anyone ever run these too hot and he's posting about that constantly him and shipman him and shipmaster Quarry How do I de- yeah, how do I de-goss the avionics on this thing, you know? Oh, yeah, they got a weird, you got to kick them, you know? That's his vibe. There's a locked thread where he's like posting his work-in-progress B-wing builds

where he's like, just don't let, I don't want this falling into the wrong hands, but I just want you all to see. It's the locked thread, locked and deleted thread, where he's posting confidential schematics to old republic ships, you know, the way that happens in, um, Warplanes or War Thunder and stuff like that. Is that a thing? Oh my God. Yeah, people constantly get banned from like the War Thunder video game forms because

they post like classified schematics or information from classified schematics and government documents about planes and tanks and stuff. To settle flame. To settle like, no, the Spitfire should have high, should have faster intake and velocity. Look at the specs, post specs that are illegal to post in the public. Like, it's really funny. And I'm to be clear, it keeps happening. It's not a thing that happened once. It's a thing that keeps happening. That's incredible. Is that, is that to just, yeah, that is, wow. It is just to win arguments. It's to, it is 100% to win arguments. I respect that so

much. Yeah. Uh-huh. So, yeah, this is like this person posted the user manual for the B2A2 Bradley.

That's a new tank like on the range of tanks. It's like a late Cold War era tank. That's not a World War II tank. That's a still in use tank. Shouldn't it be public knowledge though? I, you know,

so that's the thing. So I will say, I think one thing that catches a lot of these folks out is there are things they're widely disseminated, they're technically classified. But you can also basically say, I need the manual to this, like, aircraft, and they will just send it to you. But it's still technically classified. It's a weird, it's like a lot of things in the classifications is, it's super, super weird.

And it can be murky, and I think where a lot of this bubbles up is when you're talking about people in other countries who may work in their militaries, and they, like, have an export, like, they're importers of, like, weapons, they might just be like, shit, I I just took delivery at these things last week So they had access to a lot of the stuff But then they're not You know, super Savvy about how it goes

But either way, it's very funny That it's just like Here are the last five stories from I'll read them in reverse Reverse Chronological Order I read them in I guess forward chronological order Worth Under Player Post This is from Eurogamer

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Fantastic. Love that for them. Keep doing, keep going. Keep fighting a good fight. They are convinced that the elves they're taking in this multiplayer game are unjust. Right. They're just like, that's bullshit. That shouldn't have happened.

That's peak. Peak cannot take the L behavior to me. Like there is a lot of forms of not being able to take the L. Posting government classified documents because of your inability to take the L repeatedly is a good one. Is a good one of those. Yeah. More Gamer should do this instead of other shit. Yeah, instead of taking L's in nefarious ways.

That's right. Right. Anyway, another interesting thing about this moment is that Canaan is the one who's like, you're not, no, you don't get to run the next mission. You're going to die. And it's so rare that we've seen Canaan like veto, outright veto Hera on a mission or a decision like this. She's vetoed him a few times, right? And they mostly collaborate and bicker and argue until they come to a conclusion. But it's rare that I've seen anybody on the crew be like, no. it kind of feels like this is the sort of arc that like they're shading in the stuff we don't get to see with Han Solo after a new hope where it's like how do you go from hey I'm just like I'm a freelance operator out here to all right general sir you know you're in charge of all this like the the steady like deeper and deeper they go getting enmeshed in this I think like part of this is Hera is desperate to take responsibility for this she doesn't want to just like watch people take this risk and each shit like she just did like just happened but i think there's also this recognition that she is now being pulled in two directions you know she is being pulled toward i have to lead these rebel pilots on these missions i have to take these risks even though you know you're kind of liaise with them but are you really of them yeah and for her increasingly yes she is uh but i yeah i do like that canaan has this moment of like

the urge to take responsibility here is not useful it is just it is just saying that i you know i feel bad so i will volunteer for the next suicide mission uh the only way to deal with this is to try something new which is go prove to shipmaster quarry that you're cool hey shipmaster quarry we're sending you a real one um there's also a good like friction between ability and like desire with her out here um the thing that i noticed like in the the the scene when they they fail the transport is like she's on it she knows where all the targets are she can call them out like she can run the team as best she can but like it's the ability isn't

there because they don't have you know the backup the ghost isn't fitted to handle this many enemies just because she can see them on the scanners Right. So that the like, okay, back it up. We can't just go do, we can't rerun this, this elder ring boss or whatever is, it was good. I also do love, you know, these things come and go, but I do like an episode where it's not just, you're an ace pilot. This is still a freighter. This is not like you're not going to be able.

So I will simply drive harder. We are not going to, we are not going to initial D our way out of the fact that this complete mismatch. of capability So she goes this But we are going to Initial DROA into the death planet And just own it

We're just gonna fucking crush Our way through No one could ever land On this Bermuda Triangle planet That we can do Yeah Uh huh Yeah

And she takes She takes some folks with her She takes Zab and Sabine with her Right Yeah That was another thing that I I realize that we keep getting

Hera and Sabine episodes but it makes sense that you kind of need your pilot and your tactic guy and then you also need the muscle and then dad stays at home with the boys That's right Yeah

Todd should be Damn Tad posting about Star Wars You would know Come back to slapping Turbo Chargers on the ghost But this is the thing Is the people who are going to do that

Are Hera and Sabine And that's why And meanwhile Canaan and Ezra are going to talk about feelings And light some candles or whatever the fuck You know Whatever Jedi get up to Well but Rex is the wild card there too though

There is the airs could go either way Yeah You know it'll just turn to intergenerational bickering like we've seen You know back in my dad Jedi were Jedi It's grandpa dad and son and they're going to go fishing and chopper's there too chopper's like dad's friend who's on the fishing trip for some reason you know what i mean yeah they'll just get super sour early on

yeah yeah yeah let the kid have a beer canaan you know he he's always hold enough to all hold a lightsaber he's not old enough to crack a cold room with his old grandpa huh that's that's what's gonna happen this is chopper to you no that's recs that was wrecks i was going back up to wrecks Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Chopper would agree, though. Chopper would agree, but he would shake up the beer, like, a lot right before handing it over to Ezra without I'm seeing it. Exactly. So, I forget, wasn't the J-bo, J-bo, right, J-bo Hood? J-bo hood? Yeah. Wasn't his whole deal with a plan that you couldn't escape from? Like, once you land, it was Hotel California rules. Once you land, you couldn't leave?

Yeah, that's right. But it was because of a droid, right? Or not like a weird space field? It was specific. Do you remember Natalie? The droids were his friends. It's a laser field. It was a laser defense grid that they would turn on to zap anything that tried to get away.

Right. This was, of course, the orbit of Eago, the planet of a thousand moons. And it had all that, like, debris in the, you remember the angels there? Remember the angel? Yes. Oh, my God. What happened to an angel? No one knows

Wild times What was Clone Wars? What happened? I wish I could fucking tell you Yeah I don't think that we're ever going To get any information About that angel ever again

That's okay with me It's okay things are mysteries Yeah it's okay to have ambiguity It's okay to have unsolved Unrevisited You know Things and in this franchise.

We are in the position that Anakin was in Phantom Menace where it's like we know there's angels out there in Star Wars but nobody will believe us. Yeah.

True. Exactly. Speaking of, is anyone going to go see Phantom Menace in theaters? Wait, what? They're doing a re-release

for the anniversary. Oh, man. Is it just Phantom Menace? Or is it? Just Fan Menace. We all have to go. When is it? Oh, it's now.

It starts May 3rd. That's today Yeah, we have time to prepare We got time for this Yeah, we can do this Yeah, we gotta do it We gotta do this Where are we going

Let's housey on it up I can wear my coat I can wear my coat My coat that's spent good money on It'll be May It'll be too fucking hot to wear that coat Be like right You smell rank

And I'll be like by the look like a Star Wars We go to Iceland Yeah We go to the, we can go to the Southern Hemisphere, where it'll be winter. Oh, sure. True. Just explode the carbon footprint. Yeah, that's right.

Good Australia. Yeah. Anywho, more to come on that. So, either way, like, she hits the astronauts planet, immediately has to crash land. It's a planet with, like, all. like uh what do you call those types of formations where you have like the the spires of like tiny plateaus like rock chimneys everywhere she got to land on one of what the name is yeah it's it's rough but she's such a good pilot she can sort of she brings it in for landing uh we get a funny bit with

you know the shipping dangerously perched and having the them having to ballast uh the ship using using their weight and they get off and shipmaster quarry is there and he's he's skeptical of these newcomers. He's like a little Moncal guy. I don't think we've ever seen a moncal this shape or size. Yeah. Where's he on the little freak scale?

Oh. You know, I just thought past the freak, but he is kind of a little freak. He's definitely more bugged an insect, I think. He's kind of got an insect personality, but under the shell, he's kind of a bug, you know? He doesn't seem like a scumbagg like Charlie Tuna. Okay, yeah

He's a bit of a Trickster though Wait a second Twice, two at a time One of the time, one of the time Natalie Natalie Was Charlie Tuna's

Comeback? He was just a prince He sucked Yeah, wait You should listen to those episodes We did on Charlie Tuna Yeah, I don't remember him I have to go back

Do you remember the situation Between the Quorum And the Mont Kalamari? Yeah, but didn't He he wanted to marry wasn't there like some kind of like

forbidden love situation with that? Isn't that a Mandalorian plot line? That's where the Mandalorians have to bring in a runaway Montcal prince who I think does. Oh yeah. That is what you're is like horny for a foreign. Oh yes. Yeah I don't think he

had a fiancé or no Charlie Tuna just gets deposed Yeah Oh right He was like the fail Fail son Yes yes yes Okay

Those evil separatists came And they told the Quarans You don't have to take the shit anymore And the quorum were like wait We don't have to take the shit anymore Right And we did the digging and learn that like The Mon Cal had put court

Into like residential schools Oh my God That was one of the Most unhinged Star Wars lore discoveries we have ever made to the state. Yeah. If you joined us for Andor and you'd never set up the Patreon, you never came over to

the Patreon. There is gold in the Clone Wars era Patreon stuff. There is. There is. We learned all sorts of facts about this world of ours. Some I wish I didn't. See, I think he's cooler than Lee Char, Charlie Tuna. Yeah, for what it's worth this guy's name is not actually Charlie Tunes.

Lee Char is just Charlie. he's a fish and it's like isn't the isn't the mascot of chicken of the sea charlie tuna yes yeah okay that's what they're referencing for sure for sure that's what the whole thing is yeah yeah yeah uh-huh for sure um but this guy's better than that this guy's this guy's fine he's definitely better than that he has a mustache which i like it's very winning does just straight up have like a flesh mustache it's like his top lip is a mustache Like a big mustache. I wanted to ask how everyone felt about it.

Rob's me a thumbs up. Yeah, I think I'm okay with it. I bet it'd be weird to have. It looks like Andy Reid. He hasn't. He does look like Andy Reid. Kansas City Chiefs Football Coach. Two great innovators.

Formerly Eagles. We're wearing a little mustache of creativity. He should get on the Andy Reed like, Andy always wears those like Hawaiian shirts for like coach day or whatever I think this guy could pull it off

get a little boat drink you know what I mean some sandals on yeah I like that for him there's a Lego version of him oh I believe it does he have the mustache it's like

oops that's the wrong link that's just some hand cream that's just some hand cream Don't worry about that. Here he is. Oh. Yeah. That's good. He looks cute.

He's cute. Yeah. He's good. He's like a little rude. He's a little, like you said, Rob, he's skeptical. You know, I like that he has this. He's a droid name BG, BG something, something. It's called BG.

Oh, with the transparent head. With the transparent head. It's like an R2 unit. But with, yeah, like a 1990s hard shell. translucent head you'd see into the brain, the drawing brain. It's great. Yeah. He's like the iMac. Absolutely. Yeah. It's great.

And he's talking up his ship. He's like, yeah, my ship is the best. Like, my ship could go anywhere. Empire can't do shit. And of course, we learn he hasn't piloted it at the last possible second we learn. I love that he says like, Harris, like, why in the world

world would you choose such a unflyable planet unfliable atmosphere planet for your testing? And he's like, well, if you can fly here, you can fly anywhere. I was like, okay, respect, respect. And then he was like, and I've never flown anything because I'm a theory guy. I was like, you're... Oh, he's a theory guy. You're right. He's a theory guy. He's a theory guy. Yeah.

And they're stuck here and their consciousness. subscribe. They can't hear back from Canaan. There's a ticking clock. People are starving. Like that's the kind of like the B plot through line here is that Canaan is like, we might have to go do this mission without the B wing and also without Hara. We're just going to have to run the same plan, the same play that got shut the fuck down last time. We might have to do that again. But they're the transport, I think is the thing. Yes. They end up carrying the food because they're the smallest and fastest. And like, I don't think that that was a good idea. No, that's not going to work. And Callis knows they're going to come.

because we get the callus says the line, which is the rebels just can't resist helping people in need, which I like sort of think is fine when the Sith or an inquisitor says it, but when just like Joe says it, you know what I mean? When just like a guy says that from the empire, motherfucker, you're supposed to believe you're helping people in need. You're supposed to believe that these people are wrong. Not that you're hurting people.

Yes. It's like, ugh. You don't have a weird ideological system about passion and pain. the way the Sith do you know you're just a guy who's collecting a check and I don't know maybe we'll get some follow up on that maybe he does believe some shit I don't understand that he believes or maybe he's putting it on or something but like we don't have the convincing like cyril carne with the like child's playroom full of like toys of the precursor to the empire utterly convinced that the heroes wear shell armor and, you know, black uniforms, utterly convinced that, like, order and stability comes at the hand of, like, these people.

Right. And, like, again, it's a children's show. We get it. Like, they're hitting that beat because that's a beat that Star Wars heroes, that's true about Star Wars heroes, they show up to help people a need. I, you know, I can't complain about it too much, but it does undercut Callis a little bit as an interesting person, which he can be sometimes. Yeah, that's fair. Um, yeah, we get the, you know, the other thing, uh, that the, the shipmaster Corey wants to know is like, he just wants to know what Harris whole deal is. You know, why is she, why is she a pilot? You know, why, why is this so important to her? And she gives us backstory about like, growing up during the clone wars, uh, on Ryloth and seeing, uh, republic ships flying overhead and just like, knowing, yeah. She says, I was a little girl when the Clone Wars came to Ryloth. My mother hit us below ground, but I'd peek out when the Republic ships flew over as they fought to liberate my world. I dreamt of nothing more than to be up there with them, which is interesting. Good to get a picture of her.

Good to remember those Ryloth episodes. She is not that little girl from Ryloth that the two that are two. What were they called? What are those clones called? Dingle and Dongle. I think of the gesture and Cut Up Pryloth episode was close

One of them, wasn't it? No, cut up was one of the rookies Screwball. It was like I'm finding it, I'm finding it, I'm finding it It's here, it's here on this page. One of them had a name that like gestured towards him being a bad person

It was like It was like, axe head or something was it was it? Clomts your axe That's right

yeah it was here we go Waxer and Boil Okay Boil I feel like Is you know

negative connotations Waxer I had the axe You had the axe Yeah I'm always I'm always right Right here.

God, have you looked at these guys lately? No, I've been here. Is it real rough season two of Clone Wars modeling? It's, no, I mean, it is, but it's also just like, wow, they got some, they got some, they made some choices about how they were going to be themselves in this world of ours. So here's Waxer with the little so, like, hard line sole patch, like the squared off soul patch. I don't believe this is true. This next one, maybe we never.

saw this next one because I think we would have had more to say about Boyle's facial hair decisions. Nope, that's not him. No, I would remember that man. I would remember that man. Can you describe what we're looking at here? He's got kind of like a biker stash, right? Yeah, I guess so, yeah.

All the way around the top of his lip. But it curves inwards. It does curve inward. Like it's going, it's biker stash like with a accent like with it's moving into the chin it's like

almost a complete circle around the mouth but just the bot the chin is bare and also his eyebrows are threaded the eyebrows look like suspiciously waxed

I know that's just animation waxer but that's the other one is the other one is waxer but maybe he's waxer because he waxed his friends boils

Boyles, yeah. What's Boyle do to wax? Oh, no. Generation Clone troopers get weirder and weirder and weirter tics. This is like

mutton chops for your lips. I don't like looking at it. That's right. That is what they are. They hate it so much. It's awful. Never do this. We get a really good

like her test piling the B-wing sequence. Yeah, that was cute. Set to a sort of a a different arrangement of the Rocketeer theme and we get like the whole thing has like strong

like even this dude has like the same vibe as the mechanic in the Rocketeer do we have any Rocketeer fans here? I grew up as a Rocketeer fan. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, 1991 you want to Rob, you're probably more up on it than me.

I haven't seen this movie in probably 30 years. Probably 25 years. Might be better than you think, honestly. It might be. I remember loving those. We're in a drought of movies like this. No, Rocketeer, it's a, it's on Disney Plus right now. It's well worth watching.

God, it is, it is basically, in so many words, it is a movie about a down-on-as-luck test pilot and his mechanic buddy who come into possession of a rocket pack that's been developed by Howard Hughes Aerospace. Yep. And is being saw, as 1938, the Nazis are after it. and they've enlisted the American mafia to steal the jetpack so they can use their jetpack troops to conquer the world.

It is also like just a beautifully nostalgic tribute to old Hollywood and old California. The villain in this is basically like what if Errol Flynn were a secret Nazi double agent? Like the star of like Hollywood swashbucklers like matinee idol. turns out to be like a secret agent The other thing And it's all like this beautiful art deco design On the helmet

And the posters and stuff Then it has just like Real fun rocket age pulp hero stuff going on You know? Also the cast is ridiculous Yeah This was a classic Young Austin

You know Jennifer Connolly imprinting on my young, we all have that movie with Jennifer Connolly imprints on us. Well, what's funny is I didn't realize it was this until literally just now. In my mind, it was Dark City. But I'd seen this way before I'd seen Dark City, and I'd seen this like 80 times because it was one of the movies I had on VHS, you know?

So I'll go sometime for you out there in the world. Like, generally, it is a movie, like, it might be damn close to perfect for being what it is. Like, there's not really, like, I struggle to, like, pick a false note. I think part of it is everyone is in this movie, yeah, Jennifer Connolly. Timothy Dalton, a young Timothy Dalton is playing the villain, Neville-Sinclair. Paul Sorvino playing the mobster character that Paul Servino played a million times. Terry O'Quinn, John Locke, from Lost is Howard Hughes.

Yeah, it's, it is just a. Just a ridiculously strong cast, ridiculously great production. Marco Martindale's in it as like the one who runs the pilot diner. It's a delight. I think one issue here is that by making all references to Rocketeer, a bit like the times that Clonors would be like Curisawa, am I right? There's a bit of... Sure.

Yeah, that was a really cool thing that probably did. this thing you're evoking a little bit more engagingly. Are you here talking about the big middle sequence where Hera takes it out for the test run and like does a bunch of cool flips and flies and loop to loops? That stuff is cool. Yeah. That's fair. It is cool.

The B-Wing's cool, like we said. Yeah. And they reveal along the way that it has, this B-wing has a little feature you may not remember from Return of Jedi. it's got a Death Star Laser Yeah what the fuck I don't remember this That shit is so strong

They should have made They should have made them all with this This should have been the production model What are you doing? What are you doing? They turned it into a bomber And they just put more rockets on it You had a Death Star Laser

Yeah Maybe it was too expensive for production But like that is what happens right We have the three of those You're good Maybe the supply of khyber crystal got a little tighter for some reason. I just feel like, you know, we already got other ships that serve bombing purposes. We have the Y wing, you know?

The X-wing in a pinch can drop off a proton torpedo. We know this. We do. But we don't have another ship that has the Death Star laser on it. Make that one. Fill that niche. It's real good. It would have been too easy.

They were like, hey, let's keep, you know, we don't want to come in too hot. It would be quite the twist if by the end of this war you're starting to feel bad for the Empire because, like, Rebel Pilasters is coming in and like just cutting Star Destroyers in half. I wouldn't feel bad at the Empire. I think that would be fucking awesome. I do kind of wish we had, you know, there's, maybe it was Allie, was it you last episode you were talking about, like, one thing that Clone Wars did better than some of the Rebel stuff? Maybe it wasn't you. I don't remember where this came from. Maybe it was just my own mind. But sometimes I think about Clone Wars

and go, oh, here's the thing that they maybe would have done better than Rebels. Even I think rebels is a much more watchable show beat by beat. If this was a Clone Wars episode, this would not have been, I mean, I guess there's a 50% chance it's exactly like this. Because sometimes they did just do this. But there's a 50% chance that it would have been an episode about like the banking clans trying to fund the production of this and we would have gotten to like the little episode we would have gotten to the sequence where like someone needed to be bribed and then like you know padmay filmed the person being bribed and then tried to put it on the senate floor and then the but the file got corrupted at the last second and it's like ah we know something's going on here you know there would have been like that style of the way that weapons production works is the hands you palms get greased and you got to make deals and to da-da-da-da-da-da. And to me, that's, like, one of the big fascinating questions of the rebellion. Growing up, my big thing, the big interesting question was, ooh, how did the rebellion get all

the fancy ships, right? Like, the X-Wing is just clearly a better ship than the Thai fighter in a one-to-one situation. The empire has way more of them, but they are, but they are not as, like, efficient. They are not as, you know, they're not as effective as weapons. And that's like the story of the rebellion versus the empire on the screen in some ways. It gets more complicated than the extended universe stuff. But that's kind of like the model. So what happens there to get them the cool prototype fighters?

And the answer that we're given here is like you had to go impress one guy. But like that's one of those ships. How do you get them produced? How do you get the deal with the shipyards? I'd love to get that episode at some point. That might be an Andor season two times. type of plot. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But it does go to something that stood out for me with both of these episodes, which is that like, these are fun, like, it's fun to learn about

Hera. It's fun to get some Sabine backstory, but something about like, Ezra and Canaan get to feel like more main characters when we, we have these sort of moments with them, because their issues are tied to the plot. Like, we get this sort of like, oh, I was on Ryloth, but just watching rebels, you don't really have this context for what Ryloth was and why we should feel connected to it. And with, with Caden stuff, it's like, oh, that's Anakin. Oh, that's the Force. Oh, that's the Jedi. So, like, these were fun episodes, and I was glad to get these answers, but I didn't feel like that same investment that you do out of, like, an Ezra episode. Right. Yeah. That's a really good point. We will be getting another, we will get another hair episode this season that I'm very

excited for that will hopefully land on some of that stuff better crossing my fingers but i think you're totally right yeah rob go ahead no like i think because it's still because it's like it's about it's called rebels it's about like you know joining the rebellion and all this but it's getting so it does invest so much time in the jedi stuff and like uh ezra's journey as a jenni and all that it ends up short changing the like what what is a really interesting story which is how does basically a group of, you know, small groups of resistance fighters, criminal bands, end up being the sort of thing that fields a battle fleet by Return of the Jedi. Like, where, like, how do they, how do you get from there to there?

And yeah, this show isn't as, because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, still firmly fixed on like, well, it's the Sith that are the, the, the enemy here. And I think the, the, the, and or, like, I feel like if you came up to Cass in Andor, and you're like, it's all a work. The empire is just a front for the SIF. I think Andor would be like, that's great. You're going to help me blow up this police station or not? Like, that's kind of the world that inhabits.

Like, Vader is someone that, like, Andor would have to run from, but not necessarily redefine his sense of mission or purpose or what we're doing. And this show is constantly sort of redefined by the arrival of dark. Dark Jedi shit in the middle of it. Yeah. Yeah. Good call. Either way at the end.

They, they, they, she shows up with the sick ship and blows the hell out of these Imperials. We get a little fake out. We a little, oh my God, is she just going to kill Callis in this moment with this super laser? And then he turns and looks, it's really funny. They're doing a sort of, they're doing a sort of, it's not really a match cup, but they're cutting between her sightline and his.

and they're lining up so that it suggests that the two ships are on a collision course as she's charging up the laser. And it turns out that she's actually charging down at a ship just behind his, which she knocks out of the sky or out of space. And he's like, all right, we're going to get out of here. Actually, yikes, we got to go. I think that's intentional to take out not Callis's ship. Like, she could have very easily done Callis's ship, but I feel like leaving Callis with the knowledge that they, have this kind of firepower now is maybe more of a of a like kind of play there i don't know i was reading it's just dumb luck that he gets to live i like that i would certainly prefer to keep it a secret

that i have that firepower i would love to surprise them with my big with my big lasers often as possible she should kill all these guys she should keep going if you haven't seen this this episode. You don't understand that she like one shots one of these giant like it's not a Star Destroyer but it's beyond an ultimate. It's beyond an ultimate. If this game dropped and this ship had this ultimate I'd be like whoa okay slow down

I'm not playing until y'all Nerf this shit or you got to boost everybody else's you're like what happened here. Yeah I'm posting my Star Wars Technical manual the War Thunder forum right now. That's right. You can't do this. Exactly. Is it the B-Wing in, what was the most recent Star Wars fighter game? They pop up in, uh, squadrons.

In the, oh, I don't know if it isn't squadrons. It feels like it would be, but I'm not sure it did. It is. I just found a 25-minute video called How Three Tifts to Dominate with the B-wing in squadrons. So I bet it doesn't have the cool laser, though. Anyway. At the end of it, she is now. appointed new head

of Phoenix Squadron, which does feel like Canaan, she's joined the Army, man. There is a bit of well, wait, like the ghost is now effectively a rebel ship.

There is no... It's Kainan's suggestion though, right? Yeah, it is. It is his suggestion that she become Phoenix leader, right? He nominates her for it. So that to me feels like, all right we're all agreed like we're all in

but he gets to kind of do that via her if that makes sense right which is which is how like a Jedi his hands how like a Jedi I have to stay aloof from this war

but my wife would love to be the new Phoenix Squadron commander so they say wife I meant my good friend We're just good friends Me and this woman Also I didn't I didn't get swore up

Don't that's right Yeah He didn't save Yeah I like the way that they drop the supplies down To the mysterious miners who I think are gonna Hopefully stop mining for the empire At this point if they can I guess

Also they recruit the fishy guy right They recruit the fishy guy Quarry stays with them yeah And Quarry and Zeb do like hang out in the little in the cockpit of the fighter or whatever and he does like a little dance he like punches him in the shoulder which is cute it's cute very cute that's they're a cute couple i don't know that far but they're they're cute yeah fun pair it's a good duo it's a good duo will they be a couple in a few episodes who could say i would love if they're like a post-credit

sequence where like quarry they do they cost out the b wing and they're like quarry the Testar laser has got to go. He's got to go. Well, he does say there is some line about how the production model will need to change in some way, isn't there? Yeah. Well, I think Harris says, like, oh, after flying it, like, I have, yeah, there's some. I have some notes.

Yeah, it's too good. Yeah. It's too good. Yeah, it's way too epic. Yeah. You know, I've got to be challenged more as a pilot. I need this to be worse, you know. It would be really funny if we got that scene of, like,

of them actually, like, budgeting the cost of the B-wing and it just being like a trillion credits. This is the show I want. And they're just like, Corey, how have you been, how did you, how did you? And he's like, I don't know. Yeah. And I guess we actually do learn how we're going to get more of these. I was complaining about this before.

But there is this throwaway line at the end where they finished the mission and they come on down and Sato was like, yeah, it seems like Senator Raganah found a ship that works. And it's going to make them You know, they're going to secretly manufacture them Which at this point is still Baylorgana, right? Leia is not a junior senator yet or anything So, so yeah Bail Argana, you know, bailergana mentioned

Shoutouts Shown slapping the peaceful planet of Alderman This baby can fit so many illicit weapons factories Yeah, uh-huh, that's right All right So our subsequent episode, Bloodsisters, Sabine is sent on a mission to rendezvous with a rebel courier. The courier's identity will surprise you. But no sooner have they.

Who else thought it was called Blood Sisters? Yeah, no, I was, I'm with you. Who else among us thought that somehow the Knight Sisters would make a return in this episode? Sure. Or there'd be some tie-in with Blood Brothers was the mall and... The mall, sure, sure. Well, in Dark Sun, syndicate gets mentioned, right? Yeah, because...

Oh, sure. No sooner does Sabine locate the courier than she is set upon by her old friend turned enemy, Eminemone, anemone. She's... Her old friend turned adversary, Ketsu Anyo. the obligatory Gina Torres Dark Mentor role It's a Gina Torres

It's 100% Fuck off And it took me out I was like Gina Torres Went to school With Sabede Like I can't

I just watch suits Like I can't close that I'm like That's so funny It's like she's It's like she's Prettending be a classmate of Mike Ross's Yeah

And he didn't even go to school That doesn't even work But you get what I mean Yeah Even the maturity of the voice, there was just, there was not, I was not believing. But she did a great job. This is a fun episode. Yeah.

Well, it's the problem. Like, there's a reason that, like, you book her for these roles, like, delivered on time at the quality expected. Well, and this is the thing. Gina Torres is, like, the best TV actor. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, she's TV. She is, but she hits it. And you want something different from TV and film.

And she knows what that TV is, and she hits it. And she does it great here. So, wow, she was married to Lawrence Fishburn? She was. Damn. Damn. Wow. Wow.

Wow. I gather, how are you doing? I gather commuting to film in Toronto was not a huge help to marital bliss for the run of suits. That was a show extensively shot in Toronto, pretend to be New York, as it often does. which is very funny because if you know about cost of living in the two cities, Toronto's worse. They were married during Hannibal. I didn't realize that. She's his wife in Hannibal.

Oh. He's the troubled wife. Yeah, have you on it? Wait, I'm a boy. I've never watched it. Am I the only person here who's seen? Oh. Okay.

All right. So, have a good one, everybody. Yeah. We got you ever Cotor? Well, we're going to do that, but with Hannibal. You've even seen Hannibal? I haven't seen a lot of tweets about it. The tweets don't, tweets don't show you enough.

Even the good tweets don't show you enough. Anyway. They put Hannibal on network television and it felt like they were getting away with something in many ways. Oh my God, you've no idea. Yeah. It's wild. It's mads, right? It's Mads, it's Hugh Dancy is the...

Is it like even more dark and twisted than like an F-Act show airing late at night? Yeah, dude. Yeah. You'll love Hannibal. You should watch Hannibal immediately. Hannibal is a TV procedural, because it is a procedural for most of it, about a profiler, a FBI profiler, Will Graham. You know, FBI profiler, Will Graham, correct. That's correct.

So you know the story. Yeah, right. Uh-huh. It's Will Graham. How are you not seen ahead of, what? What are you doing? Lawrence Fishburn is his boss. I didn't know.

The best fight scene in television. What were you misinformed by? Every episode. The way it is described on Twitter is it is a, a gay romance about a dude secretly feeding his body as victims. It is also that. It is.

Hannibal is a source. No. Okay. Hannibal is someone who ingratiates himself with the local police and investigatory unit becomes a source.

He is Will Graham's therapist because Will is going through it. Will is a profiling. who can, like, connect to serial killer brains because fiction. And there's, like, a real, like, ooh, is Will slipping to the dark side? And, of course, he's being manipulated by Hannibal, who is, of course, beautiful and brilliant and obsessed with Will Graham. Because Will Graham is beautiful and brilliant and, like, has this connection to serial killer mindhood. And every episode is, like, some weirdo serial killer has decided to, like, make their art.

out of human skin or whatever. And so we're going to solve that case. Meanwhile, all of the machinations of, like, local police and the FBI and Jack Crawford, who is Lawrence Fishburn, like, trying to make sure that he doesn't, like, lose his, the ability for his unit to, like, do their investigations because Will fucked up again. And Jack getting weird vibes off this Hannibal guy, but also Jack's relationship with his wife going to the shitter. And maybe he could use Hannibal to repair his relationship with his wife.

It's great. It's really good. And they made a cookbook. And they made a cookbook. Every episode or nearly every episode in the first season, especially Hannibal is like, come over for dinner. I'll make you guys dinner. I love that.

And it's like lots of like beautiful shots of mysterious meat being cooked, right? So. Oh my God. And, you know, by the third season, there's like absolutely a run of like three or four episodes that are like avant-garde, you know, will is high and lost in Europe. It's, you know. But, and it really does. does start to center. And also, I'll be clear, it is not simply a gay love story. It's a bisexual

love story. There are lots of women in this show that the men also fuck. And maybe they're just fucking the women because there's a little sort of like projection or substitution happening there. There's definitely sublimation happening there. But there's a lot. Also, also, oh my God. What's his faces in it? Um, uh, oh, my God. What is his name? All-time Michael Pitt. Michael Pitt is in this series. Michael Pitt, all-time character actor. One of the last great character actors in my mind, because he's from the end of the era of character actors, effectively. And he plays Mason Verger, who is one of the biggest scumbags in television history. Obviously, he also was in those books and in the movies, but go watch Hannibal.

I didn't know I feel bad that I hadn't more firmly recommended It has the best fight scene in television on it Oh come on my new television I mean it Damn I mean it Austin how much is

And I don't know how they put it on television How much of the energy of Hannibal is mirror Is it mirroring like the late night phone call Between Will Graham and Hannibal in Manhunter Where Hannibal explains theory of good and evil and God to Will. Yes. That is the vibe of the whole show, basically.

Good, because that was a scene where I was like I could watch the entire, they could have just made the entire movie. I cannot believe this. Sorry for the we should come back to this show. And Giatoris is in it as Jack Crawford's wife who gets six. We learned the two used to run

together as bounty under's before Katsu betrayed Sabin. Now Ketsu is working for Black Sun and this year to take the courier. The two get in a battle between Ketsu's attack ship and the crummy space bus Sabine has hijacked and quit thinking from Chopper neutralizes Ketsu's ship. The stalemate forces them to have a long overdue heart to heart, but what forces them on the same side once again is the rival of an imperial patrol ship.

They work together to make their escape. Shame about that droid bus driver. And Katsu has to save, Ketsu has to save Sabine when she gets knocked out. they finish the mission Ketsu and Sabine say newly warm goodbyes hinting at a possible future with rebellion for Ketsu

if she ever shakes free of Black Sun. Ezra has never been more annoying than the first six minutes of this episode. Complete fifth wheel. Bro. This is We're a year into this.

He hasn't learned any swag, any moves, any... But like, to the degree that I think that there might be... I think they might be signaling that's not going to happen. You know what? Don't even worry about it. Sabine, Ezra, that's not a thing. This is her ex. You don't have to worry about Sabine and Ezra hook it up.

He has no chance. He can't talk to her as a person. He's weird and pedantic about shit in the opening of this episode. And he feels like a little boy, a rancel. And the same way that Gina Torres sounds too mature to really feel like she was in the academy with Sabine, Ezra has never felt younger, more like the youngest member of this crew than in the beginning of this episode. Yeah. It comes out way worse with Sabine.

Yeah. He's such a pick me. Like, why are you this guy? Please stop. He's like, so you like to be alone? Because you always do stuff alone. And when I see you, you're like working on your stuff alone And then you're hanging out alone and you're doing this alone

And she says literally nothing She the first She responds to the first thing he asks her Which is you like to be alone And she's like, not always And then he just goes off On his own Run of being just so inseparable

And listen Sir, this is an Arby's Like, what are you doing? He, this is a tough lesson to learn, but eventually somebody's going to need to tell him that he's being cringe. It's true. And it might, it might not be able to be Canaan. Because I think Canaan, no one's ever told Canaan. I think Hara probably told Canaan eventually.

Right? Yeah. The problem is, which is kind of sad. To refer to an old Mbim Bam a bit. Canaan has the be extremely good-looking thing going for him. Like, he's very cool.

Sure. Right? Like, it is the things that work for him were, like, he's the story guy would be like, here's how you should be in the world. And it would be like,

but you're Canaan. Right. So you're going to be able to do, this is, let me go, you went to a Bim Bam, check this out. You remember when John Hamm

Ham was on 30 Rock? Yep. Yep. It's that bit again. She's like, John Hamm is just hot. And so it doesn't matter that he's an absolute idiot. The world was going to bend around.

I was once convinced for years that I spoke perfect French when really, it was all nonsense. Right, exactly. Canaan can do that. And for Canaan, it's the force. But Ezra does not have that natural. Not yet, maybe Ezra will grow up and grow up to be a hottie. I think as soon as he realized he's been brutally rejected by Sabine, that'll be a huge step in him growing up. Because right now he's in the, you're a real loner, huh?

Because you never want to hang out with me. You must be a big loner. It's definitely not because you can't stand me. You just love being alone. There goes Sabine. Loner Sabine, just hanging out by herself. Doesn't have any other. Just doesn't want to hang out with people.

That's why she doesn't want to hang out with me. No. I can't. It's like it's so painful to hear it. It makes me want to crawl out of my skin. Yeah, I agreed. But they do find the courier, and the courier is a gong droid. Gong droid is here.

Well, importantly, while Ezra is being the most annoying person in the world, he keeps talking to her while she walks away to, like, check out the old friend tag on the wall. Oh, yeah. Like that is also, like, if you're invested, be invested. said. Yeah. This is your problem. Yeah.

He's vested in hearing himself speak, you know? Yeah. Anyway. I do like he is quickly dumped from this episode. Oh, yeah. You're like, leave, what do we do with that sort of? Leave him on the planet. Leave him on the planet.

We'll go. Harrell will pick him up later. We don't need to see it. It's fine. No, need to see it. Falls off the ship. Yeah. Like, Ketsu shows up.

They have a standoff. They get in the gun battle with stormtroopers. They jump aboard this, like, transit ship, and he falls out of it immediately and is just abandoned for the rest of the episode because he does not need to be here. Chopper needs to be here. Ezra, we've gotten all we need from his appearance today. What do we think of Ketsu? Ketsu's first appearance has a cool mask on, has like a sort of blade on her back and like a sick shooter on her hip. what was the initial vibe

I think it wasn't Gina Torres it's way less cool like like this is a Gina Torres is here to help sell what doesn't totally feel badass to me right but we haven't seen a bounty hunter in a while

we haven't heard the words black sun in years at this point yeah that we co-tored well sure but But you're right It was cool to hear Black Sun It was nice to think about

Criminals and Star Wars Yeah We just did a pirate episode Those are criminals But you know But Black Sun is an actual Yeah organization in which You know

I'm curious if The introduction of Ketsu Will bring more Kind of What is the role of the Black Sun In this day and age How is it interfacing between.

We had no huts yet, have we? Not a single hut. Not a single hut yet. Clone Wars started with a hut, and here we are. It did. It did start with a hut. And you know what? It also started with a baby hut.

Oh, the baby hut. Where's that baby hut? You do know that this time. Where is that baby? I don't know. What happened to that baby? I don't know. In elementary school, that elementary school.

That teen hut. I think the other part, just the thing that doesn't work for me entirely about this episode, is that contrasts with Gina Torres, who obviously sounds like a 40 or 50 year old woman, Sabine is her old friend. And Sabine reads to me as a kid, older than Ezra, but a high schooler to his middle schooler. And that is about how it reads. That is exactly how it feels. And so the problem we have here then is we're just two old gunslingers. We used to run together for a time before things went bad. And it's like

you're 16. And I know you can have rich and varied experiences like young, but it's like you were running from the law for like years before things went bad. And I'm like, I just don't buy it. And it would work. It would work if they were both young. Because then it's like we had that one wild year together when we were 15. And it's like, okay,

like if you dropped out of the Imperial Academy and became bounty hunters for a year, like all right, like 15 is probably too young for that. But okay. But one of them sounds 40. Yeah. You know? I feel like Ketsu should be two years.

I mean, she even is like a little sis. Hey, hey, little sis. She does say that. Stop. But yeah, she's meant to be like, she should be two years older than Sabine. And it just, it sounds so. She might be two years older, but she sounds 20 years older. Right, right, right.

Right. Yeah, and she's taller, and she has, yeah. And I don't, because of this, just because the way Sabine's been portrayed, I don't totally buy her as like, I was a bounty hunter and I have regrets. It's like, I feel like Sabine's whole deal is a little too twee at this point for me to totally buy that like I had to move on from that bounty haunting life, the things we did. I just don't, like, I just don't see it. Right.

And you'd have to sell me out a bit more. sees the thing that she sees that reminds her of Ketsu and makes her realize Ketsu's around is like a graffiti tag. It's not like someone done dirty in an execution and a particular style that she recognizes as her friend Ketsu's. You know what I mean? Like that wild year together was them doing vandalism or something. You know what I mean? It wasn't what did y'all get up to that was so scary. We don't see shades of it here. It's not like Ketsu's like Ketsu doesn't come across like a like a Cadbane here. You know what I mean?

Not like Katoo's like about to blow up a bunch of innocents, kill a bunch of innocents. But I'm kind of trying to sell her like a Cadbane. But they're position, yeah, I was going to say they're trying to position her as this like, as this storied kind of assassin bounty hunter just is going to take the gong droid. And if you're in her way, you're, you're donezo, buddy. And it's, you're, she's 18 years old. Like, you are not, you are not doing that. I don't believe, like, I, I, I'm trying to imagine what kinds of missions Sabine and Ketsu would go on when they were as, like, baby bounty hunters.

Like, what would, you would, I don't know, what were you doing? You weren't going and getting people. You weren't going and bringing people in. There's no way. and if like I just don't I haven't seen Sabine that doesn't really seem like her personality to me at all yet and they haven't and you totally have a character

presents one way and then you hint it like there's a different face here this different aspect of the person that is just like kept under wraps they haven't sold me on there being that like others you know that alter ego type version and so yeah Like, when we get to the, when we have these illusions to running the other as bounty

under, it doesn't quite, it doesn't quite, it's not quite convincing, which means the whole, like, the tragedy implied by the title and the framing, we were once such good friends, and now we've turned against each other. I'm like, I don't know, you were kids. You sort of, you moved away. You're 18, you didn't know who you were yet. You weren't, you're not, you're still not the person you are, actually. Yeah.

Yeah, but I think that that's sort of why. the reversal of the setup ends up working for me later in the episode. There's this moment where the friend is saying, like, oh, you should join the Black Sun. Like, I'm doing what we dreamed of. And for Sabine to be like, I can't believe that I even wanted that because those are bad people. And that's not something that I realized at the time is like, I'm way more scared for Ketsu in the position that she's in now. Because like, that's not going to be like, I'm going to put in my two weeks and join the rebel. situation for her like that's danger um so like her them seeming naive about the the the the like

actual jobs that they did is like the one note here that hits for me i think yeah that makes sense i guess i just find the the whole like i find this whole concept just so pasted on like it feels like it just sits at the very surface of Sabine's character and as well as Ketsu's character like her Ketsu's turn happens like pretty quick like she you know and you don't even get like this big sense of like a realization of a mistake it's just like she just she kind of changes sides over and then everything happens so conveniently in this episode um And the sort of like tweet comments of like, you always liked your explosives. I'm like, okay, these are like the five things we know about Sabine.

Like these are like the most like surface level character traits that we have so far. And it just felt like, oh, we finally get someone from Sabine's past that like has known her in a different context. And we're only talking about the aspects of Sabine that we've over the course of. of a season and a half already know about. So I didn't feel like this actually afforded me any insight into, other than the fact that Sabine wanted to join the Black Sons at one point, and she and Ketsu left the Imperial Academy together. That's all I got.

Yeah, we didn't get any, you know, there's a world we're having as are around more might have been useful in the sense of you then get the... asking questions. You get the asking questions. You get Ketsu being like, oh, just imagine the, you think you know her. Like just the, and just how, like, devastating that would be here. You'd see it land on Ezra.

It would land for you. Especially because Ezra has such a strong, like, interest in Sabine and, like, has made her out to be this, like, super cool, like, really capable. person and for there to be somebody else like that's such a classic thing like somebody else from the past is like you don't know her like i know her and you know it shatters her worldview or whatever um but yeah i would love to know like what was it about the black sons that made sabine want that at one time was it right like uh right i want her to defend that actually yeah i want her to say to some to a third party you don't understand understand what it was like. They were the only people who X, Y, Z, or, you know, I was coming out the Imperial Academy, and this is what I wanted at the time was freedom, and they seemed like they could promise me freedom and power and da-da-da-da, whatever it was. Like, I would love to hear that actually expositive. And we don't even really get it from Ketsu. Like, we don't really get Ketsu's justification for why she works for the Black Sun now. All we get is, like,

this is survival, looking out for yourself as survival, which is just bounty hunter or shit. Like, it's not really specific to working under the organization of the Black Sun. Why wouldn't you just go be a bounty hunter on your own? I don't know. Yeah. I do, I like the, I think it's a very important note for, like, why presenting these things doesn't work. The fact that, like, it is a reference to Sabine, you love your, you love your explosions, you love your bombs.

like it is like the need to show that the character knows the exact same thing that we know about the character in order to demonstrate they were close and it's like but we don't know Sabine is like she works with explosives is a skill on a character sheet but it is not it is not a character and I think maybe sort of it sort of implies what goes a little bit awry with Sabine's character and place in the show so far is she kind of still remains the person we saw in the shorts where it's like art bombs we don't know her that well we really don't like we I don't think we there are any aspects of Sabine's character that we that would qualify our closeness to her thus like thus far and I think that was kind of I was so excited once I realized that this was going to be like a Sabine lore episode because I want to care about her more outside of her just like looking cool and like being kind of like a cool girl or whatever

I wanted to have something to like sink my teeth into and for it to just hit all the superficial character traits that we have we learned within the first 30 seconds of meeting her just bum me out and maybe that maybe they're kind of holding on to that for a later date and this was just about kind of introducing Ketsu, and I imagine she's going to be a recurring figure and looking, going forward, because this would be, this would be such a bizarre setup. Well, that's the other half of the difference between this and Clone Wars for me so far is this would have been, I know I said this last week, this would have been two to four episodes because if they are going to spend time and money making a Ketsu Onio, like, model, they're going to

fucking get four episodes out of it. Yeah. That's how they had to work. for Clone Wars, right? And so, like, yes, you had occasional one-offs where there were a couple of original assets that were often reworks of previous assets. But Ketsu is like, seems like a totally new body, new armor, new hair, new face, new everything. And she's here for 22 minutes. And it feels like that 22 minutes is too fast. Like, in the Clone Wars version of this would have had a whole ass episode about Ketsu

like running and gunning through the streets of this city being a badass and then finally they reveal at the last with three minutes left was oh my god this is someone that you know Seveen knows right exactly

and then you would have had the episode where they have to like work together yeah exactly and I don't think that there's only one way to make a good television show I think there are multiple ways to do this but the compressing this story into one episode does two important things, which is one, it doesn't, it reduces the amount of time we have to get

into their backstory. And then two, it also kind of makes it a not very dynamic episode. Half of the episode is spent on these two ships. And like, you kind of get some maneuvers with it and like they try some trickery and then the imperial ship shows up. But it's mostly them talking to one another and not talking about anything for all the reasons that Allie and Natalie Robb you've just been talking about, right? So like, it's, it's, you really, if you're going to put two people in a box for 10 minutes to talk for half of your episode, that's got to be really good

and it just wasn't here. And I think that it would have that 10 minutes might have been better spent at the end of episode three and you would drip out some of this early shit in the, that's the other thing

that happens sometimes in Cold War's arcs is episode one, you really like to make things go boom. Episode three, uh-oh, we gotta keep writing character dialogue for these motherfuckers. They already said you like to make things go boom.

We have to write new stuff about who these people are. And eventually you get into characters bumping into each other in interesting situations and needing to like, you learn new things about who they are because of whatever that new episode's, you know, plot was. So I'm really feeling the compressed nature of these stories right now. And, you know, I know we have a two-partner eventually this season, but like I would really love another one soon. Yeah. Because their best episodes have been two-parters. Season one ends on the, like, we got to get Canaan out of there.

And then season two opens on, like, Vader's big adventure. That's right. But I feel like season one even had more than opens on the big two-parter. There's the big stuff at the end with the going to save case. I feel like, yeah, 100%. And here they now do begin to feel like Adventure of the Week type things. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, like, yeah, the teleplay kind of sucks here.

Like the, where they're talking back and forth between the ships, the suits rider's room wouldn't have had difficulty, making Gina Torres talking with someone interesting but instead it's like you can't do it you don't know me so well I don't think you can well your time is up

and the only thing that's making that scene work is the fact that Chopper because nobody wants the scene Chopper's just going to steal it if nobody's going to pick this scene up I am just going to take it and Chopper does Dave Filoni made himself the center of the scene there's some excellent chopper shots in this way in this the way when he covers his eyes what the first time he is just like suspended in space and it's just like chopper and space behind him was it like it did something in my brain and imprinted on my in my brain in some way some special special way and then and then he's like covering his little eyes as he's getting pulled in by the trash

Reactor beam. So good. Chopper's great. I love with the Gondgroid hides Shiley too. I'm like peeks out when they're having the meeting in the tube. They're buds. Yeah. I love Gondroids.

I love droids. Unfortunately, the one droid who got the worst end of the stick was the space bus pilot. That was pretty, that felt like murder to me. Like that was, it was, it was, it was, the way. that she put him to sleep to steal his ship and then woke him up with a barrage of explosives around him

to execute a emergency self-restroved to be a suicide bomber It's so She Arlington wrote it the dark It was so It felt It was some dark-sided shit That droid deserve better, I think.

I agreed. Truly. Agreed. I need a droid arc. Like a chopper. Like I need D-Squad. I need Rebels D-Squad. I need to see a bunch of a bunch of droids hang out.

You will regret your words and deeds. Don't put that energy in the we don't need Rebels D-Squod. And then, like, to really drive home, this is kind of, this is kind of an episode of like a whole heaping play to nothing. They don't get to anything about, like, reconciling. It's just the imperial show up and literally, I think Sabine says, I guess we're friends again. And like, yeah, who doesn't love, who doesn't love a, like, unlikely team up in the face of enemy of my enemy as my friend type things? but here kind of the whole point is that you're like we are friends underneath all this like we should we should get at that and we don't and so the empire shows up they just have to

work together and kill this droid to work together to kill this droid I do sort of like the moment of maturity we get from Sabine at least like Tetsu is like trying to bully her but she's just like you know what I forgive you this is what this conversation is about yeah this is what you're trying to get to I'm not mad at you we don't have to fight about this I'm a better person now um but like lacking a lot of the other context it does feel really like not very deep um but I do at least like for for like showing Sabine's personality there um even if there's not much to contrast it too. Yeah, I agree with this.

But yeah, that's it. That's the, you know. Thanks, Katsu. Have a good one. Yeah. I don't know that I'm ready to be a rebel yet. And here's like, none of us, none of us ever are. That's what she says.

And fucking Ezra's like, last time I saw you guys, you're pointing guns at each other. It's like, everyone shut up. This episode sucks. Everyone shut up for this whole episode. It's bad. This is not the one. It sucks. It's tough, man.

They can't all be winners. It's true. They just filmed a plot synopsis. That's what they did. That's what they did. And we had the B-wing last episode. It was doing cool flips. And then you follow it up with this,

with this. Cliff Notes' ass episode? And this is our first Sabine episode, too? Like, what are we doing? Disrespectful. Disrespectful. Look, we may have to confront the possibility that Sabine does not have the juice. Well, yeah, there's a weird thing now.

I'm like, I don't know if it was just like they didn't develop the character or they're still sitting on stuff. Because now there's this big thing in conflict where, like, oh, she had a shadowy or like justice reason for leaving the academy because she didn't want to be evil anymore. And then she immediately goes into that to being like, I want to be in the Black Sun. I want to work for slavers. Like, what, excuse me? Huh? So, yeah, I. Yeah.

I'm looking. I feel like there are people out there that would have our heads for saying that Sabine has no juice. Like, I feel like she's going to come around. I look forward to being proven wrong. It's 2024. Yeah, listen. everybody got shooters. Like, it's not,

it don't impress me much. You know? We don't believe you, you need more people. Like, I don't think that there's that. I think that there is a, let me,

one, she may have been done a disservice by the writer and director of this, even though I'm looking. And the director has some great episodes, you know, and also some bad ones. It's a real hit or miss.

It seems like a real hitter miss team. Bosco Ing and Kevin Hopps. Kevin Hoffs has only written stuff for Rebels It was not a Clone Wars writer as far as I can tell But that included some stuff that we thought was okay Like out of darkness Which was the Hera and Sabine Going to the

Planet with the one garage on it Completely yeah Importantly always two there are From last time or whatever that was Which we liked But the and the director had directed like brothers and some other Clone Wars stuff that we think that we were

generally positive on. It also direct at least one of these D-Squot episodes. But overall, you know, a good mix of stuff, but I think maybe we just did Sabine wrong. What do you mean? What did you say? What? One of the D-Squod episodes? One of the D-Squod episodes.

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. As the Googler, can you see if if Ketsu's coming back? Yeah. Yeah, she'll be back. She'll be back. Okay. I knew this.

I believe I had heard Ketsu stuff even before this. So I can double check, but yeah, we'll get more. We're going to get more cats. If this is the start of a plot line, that's better than this being the Sabine episode for the season, right? Well, okay, wait. You talk about are we going to get more Ketsu this season? Because no. Sure, but, you know.

Maybe. Maybe we are. Maybe we are. We're going to get one more Katsu episode this season, it looks like. Okay, so that I don't understand. This feels like a setup to this being in a... Why would you introduce someone now to only for them to be... I don't know.

She's not in that many episodes. But, you know... I thought she was going to be like a member of Phoenix Squadron. That's what it felt like... I was surprised at the end of episode that she wasn't like, and I'm in. Let's join the team. They can't afford Gina Torres for... That's the real thing.

She's in one more episode She bankrupted a bungee That's right That's right Then there's art of her in a later season And then there's two more episodes with her That are both fourth season So we'll see

Oh boy And then they're gonna digitally deage her For a live action show That's oh my god Well we'll just read past her right We haven't talked about she should be Asoka Right They should find

They should fire as well. Gina Torres be Assoca. The problem is I'm not sure either of them was quite the correct energy for Asoka as they developed that character. I don't know. I still don't know who Asoka is right now anymore because my, we have this huge gap, which is the rest of this show plus the Glomor Season 7. And so like I do not understand how we get to where we last saw Asoka to where we get Asoka to where we get Asoka in Mandalorian. And my understanding For my friends who have seen all this shit is like

Yeah, we don't know either So Great, great Awesome Yeah, live action Asoka Give me that child And stop showing it love and affection Cool, great

That's classic Asoka Love it Can't wait I was gonna say Speaking of Newer things We haven't Has anyone watched the Acoly trailer

Ah did I watch it? I have not I haven't watched it. Do we want to watch it? Should we watch it? It's been a minute. I could. I'd love to.

It's not a, it won't spoil anything as far as I know. Yeah, it's high republic stuff. It's high republic stuff, exactly. All right, I'll pull this up. I'll get a screen shared. Woohoo. I thought it was like, oh. What?

I thought it was like, it was like, um, Clone Wars era. Uh-uh. I thought it was Order 66 era. No. It's, uh, High Republic, right? It is High Republic. I'll read a little synopsis here.

Oh, my God. I'm already... I'm pretty excited right now. So at the end of the High Republic era before the events of the main Star Wars films and follows a Jedi investigation into a series of crimes.

Look at that guy. I'm already intrigued. Take him in. I'm intrigued. There's a freak on screen. CC, I am intrigued. Sorry, his little hide. I'm sorry.

Highly questionable reference for you. All right. Are we ready to doable watch? Are we ready to... I'm ready. All right. Three, two, one, go. Close your eyes.

Yeah, okay. Some Jedi Padawans, closing their eyes. Your younglings. So like the Jedi. The eyes closed? Yeah. Making kids close their eyes. We must not trust them.

Don't trust your eyes. Got it. That's Star Wars. Tell me, what comes into your mind? Lady in a purple cloak. Ooh. Aliens, lots of aliens. Lots of aliens.

I see fire. That's not good. Dark-sided, dark-sided. I see Carrie and Moss. Hell there. Hi. Okay. Matrix?

Yeah. Someone is killing Jedi. Damn right. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, who'd want to do that? What happened? I sense to darkness. It's like a Sith assassin type here.

Maybe not. Not. This isn't about good or bad. This is about power. And who is allowed to use it? Oh, good question. What is that? All right.

Okay. Yeah. Two episode premiere. Okay. June 4th. I'll watch that. I'll watch it. It'll be fun to watch a thing.

Yeah, we should watch it. Well, it's coming out. Because we're allowed to. Yeah, we could watch it because it doesn't have to do with anything. Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm cautiously, you know, we've been, we've sat here in front of these microphones and we have shared our. optimism for

new Star Wars TV shows and boy have we been burned and we have also been there's no record I think we always have there is

there is no proof no proof before that show came out nobody ever lost their minds on this podcast watching an Obi-Won I did I'm not afraid to admit it

I have no shame I remember distinctly seeing the city and was like, oh, that city looks so sick, it's going to be so cool when they're in the cool city.

Nope. Was awful. Was fucking terrible. It was a waste of my time. And I'm sad for it. But I will say, the fight scenes made me nervous. In this.

In this. I like how many aliens were present. I hope that wasn't everyone. everyone in that like we just saw all the alien shots a lot of them jenai look like not the little kids but like the group of like i don't know but that's star wars yeah yeah the um maybe they were just there to be killed that scene uh-huh mm-hmm wait why are you nervous about the fights i don't know just the way that the one looks like second-rate wirework yeah the wirework looks yeah the wirework looks yeah

Just heavy-handed. Yeah, I don't know. Save the flips for animation, is what I have to say. Like, the, it, it's not, it doesn't look, it doesn't, look at Moosephar. You got to get actors who are like first rate, they've got like first-rate physical skills, and then you augment it with really good. Get Taylor-Lotner, get, make Taylor-Lotner a fucking Jedi. He will do it. He, but it has to be Twilight era Taylor-Lotner.

I don't know if he's still got the juice But he can do it That's the woman from the Matrix Yeah She has the juice She can do combat scenes I'm sorry to say Everybody else I don't know

But Carrie and Moss Can do combat scenes I believe her I believe that Okay The I'm reading this from Star Wars.com An interview with Leslie Headland

Who is the creator and director on this who also was a co-creator on Rushdoll. That's probably the biggest, most recent claim of claim to fame. You didn't talk about the part where she's like, we didn't use the volume. We did not use the volume. Oh, I was, is that in here? Is that in this? That is another talking point.

Talk about like the full circle of like, this is, this is what happens when you like run into the ground, what was a really cool production technique and like a useful tool. And then you're like, we just make the entire show. And now, now you have to run around telling everyone the volume. Never heard of her We didn't use the multi-billion dollar thing you built No, we agree it's a piece of shit

We hate it, we hate the volume Boom That's so funny No, the thing I was gonna say was that she's You know, she's talking about like Oh, it's interesting to do a story At the height of the Jedi power A quote

If Star Wars is about the Underdog Where's the Institution and the Acolyte The Jedi are the institution I was so interested in a storyline Where the Jedi are at the height of their power And I don't mean the Phantom Medicine because at that point there's a Sith lord in the Senate, and they're not picking up on it,

and they're not picking up on that. Like, a thing I've heard of... Things real ones say. Haddon wanted to explore further back when seeing a Sith seem as likely as encountering a velociraptor. Like, it's a thing I've heard of, but it's not a thing you would ever consider you'd be interacting with.

I saw someone get real mad about the idea that there'd be Sith in this, because in Phantom Menace, the Jedi Council, but there haven't been Sith in a thousand years. And like, yeah, dude, because the end of this show, is going to be them burying that the Sith are back because they're afraid of the Sith. Like, that's the thing the Jedi are going to do.

The end of this is going to be, we can't let anyone know that there's a loose Sith lord out there. Yeah. You know? Yep. Do you think we're going to meet Darth Plagius the Wise? No. It's this era. You think so?

I don't know that Star Wars can resist it. I think we're going to either meet Darth Plagius the Wise or meet Darth Plagius the Wise's, like, master. That, oh, interesting. What if there's a kid? What if there's a kid? Hold on. What if there's a kid in the Jedi Academy? And it's like, and he raises his hand.

And he's like, and then the Jedi Master's like, yes, Plagius. He just kept his name. Oh, yeah, because you have to change it. No, his name would be like, ages. Agis, like, Poldre, or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah. I want that I want that so badly I'm I'm very cautiously optimistic I think Amandaless Denberg's character design looks really cool I'm into it

yeah yeah I'm excited to see what the deal is I'll be a few months from now I'm excited to see what the deal is in these next two episodes nice job bring it back around

there we go Yeah. What are those episodes, Rob? So we have stealth strike taking the, I can only assume the rebels are going to get hold of a stealth ship maybe or, you know, who knows? Who knows? Sounds like fun, though. And then this is a big check that Rebels is writing for itself. The future of the force.

We have to find out what's going on with the force in the future. Definitely need to find out. I don't know anything about that. I mean, Luke's out there, right? Luke and Lear are out there by now. True. But nobody knows. That's the, but nobody knows.

You're right. We'll see. Yeah. What are your hopes for these episodes? What if we go to? I love this. That looks like she's in pain. What if we go to tattooing?

No, I refuse. And like, visit. Obi-Wan in the cave or something. No. No. No. I can't do it. Can't make me. I wouldn't be surprised if the show goes there, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened this early. We're going to see that kid. I know we're going to see this kid. You think we're going to see Baby Luke? Yeah. I guess he's on a baby by now. Because he's almost, it's only a few years. He's 15. It's going to be something silly. Like somebody is going to like check on

him. It's like something's going to happen and they're going to be. like they're going to give him like some weird coded thing that that suggests that they know more about him than than he could ever imagine about Luke yeah like they're going to show up and be like I sense you have a great destiny kid or like what are they going to do what are they going to do oh yeah like Ezra is going to race like a ship race And who was that other pilot? I don't know. But he's good.

Yeah, something's something Skywalker. This is miserable. This is a hell world. We're writing the worst show. The worst episode of television of all the time. Bolzying wamp rats. What good is that going to be? Exactly.

Yeah. Incredible. You tell me that that planet has two sons? Wait, but isn't Lucas? No, Lucas. Isn't Luke racist now? doesn't he want to be in the Oh yeah true

He must go to the academy Not for racism He just wants to fly cool ships Yeah and kill people From the cockpit of a cool ship Look this is how the Air Force gets you Allie it's in like a waxer and boil way Right

Who we're perfect and great which is fine So it's fine We stand Well But if Eversa met him, it would be like, oh, I can't follow that path. It's getting worse. Sorry. Anyway, Rob, I.

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