A More Civilized Age: A Star Wars Podcast - 87: Shroud of Darkness, The Forgotten Droid, and The Mystery of Chopper Base (Rebels 33 - 35)

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

As Rebels begins its lead up to the second season finale, it's got some important work to do. First, it has to give its two Jedi protagonists (and their not-quite-a-Jedi-anymore friend) some direction and confidence. Then it has to sell the idea that they have to confront the Inquisitors directly or risk inevitably leading them (and their Dark Lord of the Sith master) to the Rebel forces. Finally, it has to tease the idea that maybe a deep darkness exists in the world--and maybe Ezra is getting a little too close to it. Also Chopper has to meet his new husband. NEXT TIME: Twilight of the Apprentice Pt. 1 & 2 Support the show by going to Patreon.com/civilized! Show Notes Yoda Comparison Video Hosted by Rob Zacny (@RobZacny) Featuring Alicia Acampora (@ali_west), Austin Walker (@austin_walker), and Natalie Watson (@nataliewatson) Produced by Ricardo Contreras (@a_cado_appears) Music by Jack de Quidt (@notquitereal) Cover art by Xeecee (@xeeceevevo)  

Let us return once more to a more civilized age of Star Wars podcast. I'm Rob Zakini, joined by Aliaqampora, Austin Walker, and Natalie Watson. We are, as always, supported by you, our listeners via patreon.com slash civilized. So head over there if we'd like to support the show and get access to all our Q&A episodes. This week, we have a series of adventures that see the ghosts advance their parallel. but increasingly divergent goals of finding a safe operating base for the rebels

and advancing Ezra's Jedi training while dealing with the Inquisitors. We lead off with Shroud of Darkness following yet another ambush by the Inquisitors. Ezra, Canaan, and Asoka head to the Jedi Temple on Lothal where I shit you not, Yoda's are standing by.

The lines are open. God damn it. I... I you know what it could have been worse because for a fucking second I thought Mortis was gonna show up now wait a second now wait a second what do you mean I think mortis is in these episodes no it can't be it can't we'll get there we'll see I can't get there we'll get there there there's lots to dig into we can just give you the broad out ones remember that all the temple the temple already has the Mortis

symbols like on the ground and shit but I don't we'll get there we'll get there That we learned that last time. We learned that pre-Andor. It's just been a minute. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Rob continue with your, I'm sorry for interrupting.

No, no, no, no worries. I think it's a very broad out long because we're in deal with this blow by blow, I think. Basically, all three Jedi were dealing with have a vision that speaks to their fears, their guilt, the anxieties, and their uncertainty about what the future is going to hold for them. Meanwhile, the Inquisitors show up outside the temple, pull it out of the ground using Sith powers. temple seems pretty messed up by the end. And the Jedi have to make their escape with, with Ezra having been given a new quest direction, a new major quest has appeared in his, in his journal. Go to Malacor.

We have to go back. We have to play Cotor 2. No! Because it ends on Malichor 5. Malacor is the place. I don't, I have to imagine they're doing something different with Malacor than what happened in Cotor 2, but I guess we'll find out. Well, folks hope you enjoyed one season

of Rebels. Get ready from now until next March, we're doing Cotor 2. How long could it take? Oh, I think it's longer than the first game, too. I don't know. We're not surprised me. That's the way of sequels. You got the tools to build

the game. Yeah. Next game, you build bigger game. You know, I'm making a lot of progress on my physical therapy. I feel like my wrists, my wrists are getting stronger. Let's see here. Cotor 2, how long to beat. 30 and a half hours main story, 40 and a half

hours. That's a thing. 53 hours. 53 completionist. It's the way I'm going to be like Depp's Polo the second is going to be like, I can't fight good. The number two is more talky. You could talk your way through a lot of

that game. You do stuff to fight. Bring the Riz back. That's right. And then we get a Jedi, a Vader appearance at the end. who seems pretty stoked about finding this Jedi temple

while the Jedi seem more uncertain by these, more uncertain following these revelations than ever. Some of which are pretty out there. We'll get to that as we go through. We open up, you know, in Medias Rice. It's, you know,

we get a fun throwaway line from Canaan where seventh sister is doing her like fighting and flirting thing. Yeah. And she's like so handsome. And He says, I don't go for crazy anymore. And it's like, you know what? What happened?

Disney? Yeah. Give us Canaan the missing years. Give us the missing years. We'll talk about his wild ex-girlfriend. I need to know what happened. I need to know. Yeah.

Fuck boy Canaan is out there. There's a story. I mean, could they have dated? What if their exes and they just haven't talked about it? I think we have a good reason to believe now that they're both ex-geny. Like acting like they don't know. other it's like kind of like you know those like role play things where you like meet in the bar and you don't know each other exactly yes yes I'm writing the fic as we speak in my head

never to be seen other stuff in this opening little duel they've developed the maneuver that we called out last time we talked about their little leapfrog and now they have a name for it it's cross it goes cross and then they like do the like little leapfrog forced push jump and that happens in all these episodes they have like little maneuvers that they're perfecting and it and it's not just them like there's stuff uh in a later episode there's a moment where sabine has to run back on the ship and the ship like goes like it kind of pivots around an access point and then she jumps on and i it made me really feel like oh yeah they practice this stuff they have like a playbook they've all learned they develop their techniques you know

they're doing a good job of like showing how they've gone from basically a smuggling gang yeah Like, at the start of the series to, like, they've got a carrier now that they work with. Like, they're running with an actual tiny fleet, not just a couple gun chips. Yeah. And then they're increasingly, like, they're developing those synergies, right? Where it's like a receiver quarterback combo, been together for a few seasons. Now suddenly it's like there's things that are just going to happen because they can read each other. Yes.

Also, because they've played enough sessions together now that they understand how their ability synergize, you know, But really, again, has that tabletop game feel where you're like, okay, if I force push you, you get a bonus one D6 damage on your attack, and then you can use your reaction to force pull me closer and then da-da-da-da-da, we know this works. We call it across-trade the stacks back and forth. Yeah, exactly, 100%. It's so good. Also, I, like, we were talking last time where was it Dave was like, let's not make too big game. It's a fucking super power. He, he, you are a liar, sir, because.

Ezra has animal powers. He has animal force powers. He and the tibodies, they're, like, they're in it together. Yeah. Yeah, they're like the flying, like, the skymills. To the point that they're overdoing it. To the point that they're overdoing it. Which maybe that's where all this ends in the end of this, the end of this arc, not arc.

Yeah, maybe like, okay, we got to let go of the whole. We're going to show sometimes it doesn't work. Yeah. This is very, like, instead of, like, Aladdin being. buddies with that magic carpet, he can just toss himself off any abyss and that planet's going to have a giant pterodactyl. Yeah. That's going to be like, I got you, buddy. If it's in space, space whale. Like there will always be just a large surface for him and his friends to ride out on whenever he needs. But yeah, it's fully like, this is a superpower and like an extremely

powerful one. Also, just good to see them needing to flee from the Inquisitors again. Like, it seems like the end of this whole season is about, okay, we have this carrier now, but now the Jedi are effectively a living tracking beacon to the rebels. And so the Inquisitors are chasing them down. And that's not a fight that they can win. At least that's what they're trying to communicate to us by having them have to fucking run every time. And I'd rather them have to run than, you know, we kind of saw the, the Inquisitors get kind of washed when Asoka first showed up. It feels like it's happened twice now. This is the problem is five and seven. Yes.

Are not a good combo. This is the Brooklyn Nets, right? Like, it is just, you know, I'm sure it made sense when you're putting it together. On paper, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is, like, this is going to set the franchise back by a decade. Fifth brother is kind of the Ben Simmons of Star Wars right now, you know? It's just not going to, he's not taking his shots. And Seven has kind of a Kyrie thing going where it's like, I might be in this for different things than you all.

Like, I might, like, I might be playing a different game. that's tangentially related to the one happening. Are y'all trying to win by points? Oh, I was over here playing a different thing. I was over here trying to just out dribble people and make them look stupid. Yeah, I'm never seeing a grudge. Yeah.

I'm just like trying to feed that right now. I got old shit I'm dealing with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll own that game next week. I ain't going to be there. That's right. Yeah, no, there's a bit of that where, like, we have not seen. And I think maybe this episode's trying to address it,

but I still don't think it effectively does. We have not seen the thing where, like, the Grand Inquisitor exuded menace, right? Like, you understood that, like, he made sense as both a henchman, too badger and, like, a sense of, like, danger in himself. This feels like, well, the PI is dead. And now we've got these grad students and adjunct burnouts. I guess the thing is, it doesn't matter that they could theoretically lose the fight to Asoka. There are threats so long as they can point the empire. at the rebel cell, right?

And so as long as they can... They're guard dogs. They're guard dogs, exactly. And they're going to direct the empire to them. So if they find a base, they can't hold that base without being under threat because the Jedi are going to draw the inquisitors to them, which is interesting. Did anybody else gasp out loud after Canaan and Ezra retreating from the Inquisitors, returned to the ship, and Hera's like, she's already here, she's waiting for you.

directing them to Assoca, who's staying in one of the rooms, and Anakin's voice comes on. And it's Anakin explaining. I was shocked how hard that hit me. It fucking, I got knocked the fuck over. His voice, just his pre, his normal, like, Anakin cartoon voice. Regular ass, Anakin, keeping your saber up is key to deflecting the fire of multiple adversaries. But then you see Anakin, he's off model. I, well, it's the Rebel's model of Anakin.

It's weird. I don't like... What's that jersey he's wearing? This is like one of the shitty alternates. Like, Nike got hold of the Jedi garb contract. It's bad. Yeah, they did. Robs, cool obi. And then Nike was like, we need a big, like, fucked up Jedi logo.

It took me a second. I guess I heard him. I was like, that's Anakin. Then I saw the guy and I was like, oh, is that? Yeah, that's just some guy. Is that just like, she's watching saber training videos on YouTube? You know, like the way like batters for or like golfers will look up golf swing tutorials. And then when she starts describing him.

She explained, she's like, oh, yeah, he was, you should have seen him in person, right? Anakin Skywalker, he's my master, et cetera. Everybody remembers how nice he was. Yeah. Is that what you remember? Let's assume the audio. Okay. So, Harris says, she's waiting for you.

Why did you have us meet you out here away from the fleet? It's safer this way. Keeping your saber moving is key to deflecting the fire of multiple adversaries. Fluid motion. One into the next, into the next, and so on. I've made some adjustments to the classic Form 4 techniques that I think you'll find work well against droids and other ranged attackers. Form 4! Here, I'll show you.

One, two, two, two, three. I've watched these recordings to help me with my own saber train. Rough. You should have seen him in person. That's wild. What they do to your cheek, man? The rebel, or the Republic logo on his tunic? He was powerful

Rarely lost a battle He has the hair like when you use too much conditioner Yes He does It's a good grease of a rat And looked out for them until the end Practice these exercises mindfully You'll see improvement

I promise Do you know what happens So pants are giving Robin and men in tight Last time I saw him He was rushing off to save the chancellor Then everything changed So she saw him

What? And the Jedi were accused of treason one by one they were hunted down by the inquisitors or worse speaking of inquisitors by him what do you think about us doing for a change when you defeated one two more came who's to say we would multiply our problems yet again and there's vader I don't disagree but the fact remains

we can't protect our friends from Vader and his inquisitors I can barely protect you yeah that bit about the last I saw him I was like I was expecting her to be like, uh, he was with the Jetta council as I left the temple. No. Like, no, he's rushing off to save the chancellor. And she saw him. Yeah. On order 66 day. On order 66 day. So once again, there are two types of people in the world. There are people who are yelling at us right now going like, and if you'd watch Clone War season seven, you'd know what happened. But that comes after this. That, exactly. This, this gap is the joy of watching this first. Us slowly piecing together.

Oh my God. They saw. each other again? What did they say? Did she try to stop him? Oh my God. That's weighing on her, which is what this whole episode for her ends up being about. Could she have saved Anakin? You know, if she hadn't left that last time. What happened? I'm so curious. This hipes me up for Clone War Season 7 more than anything could ever. If only she'd just been like, I'm calling Padmay. Like, no, no, don't do it. I got to go to, I got to go to the chance. No, I'm calling her right now. Don't move. Just stand there. I'm calling Padmay. And then I'm calling Obi-Wan.

We're going to work this out. I went to Obi-Wan. I went to a cafe that I go to often, enough to where the barista today was like, what do you do? You seem to work all the time. Like, what do you do? I was like, oh, I do some podcasts. I do my writer. I just got laid off for my games job.

And what's what type of podcast you was like, oh, we're about to go do a Star Wars one? She was like, oh, I'm about to go do a Star Wars one. And I was like, oh, it's funny. You know, I actually did a short story in the Star Wars thing once. She was like, if they ever let you write one, you should write an alternate universe for of the Sith, where Anakin's good at the end. It's at the path. They're out there.

The Anakin lovers are out there. I agree. I agree. I agree. It's so sad. It's so sad. I'm, you know, I just watched all, I watched, she said all six of them, uh, which is very funny.

True, true sequel hater found in the wild. And it was like, I, you know, I just, it hurts so bad when at the end of the third one and da, da, da, da, da. I was like, yeah, I get you. It does hurt so bad. Now it's worse. Yeah. I just watched the Phantom Menace and I cried when Annencans says goodbye to his mom.

It's so sad. It's so sad. All this new content. From the world, Allie and I went and saw Phantom Menace in theaters. I'm seeing it tomorrow night. It's still Phantom Menace. There's stuff in there that hits. There's stuff in there that's better than it used to be even.

Those first 15 minutes, I think are still great. I think Naboo is just. cool nabu is it like like uh what's this main city on nabu called um oh feed the yeah feed is great um the early stuff or the stuff like once they finally get to croissant and like you realize how ineffective the the republic has gotten she've talking all that shit about how like the bureaucrats have taken over all that stuff hits i don't think little annikin had riz you think and the infant had Riz now. Yeah.

So you're watching the last shot, he's looking over, Pat, maybe, and, like, biting his lower left, like, yeah. No, but I think that when he's like, hell yeah, little man,

get it. When he's like, you're an angel of, I hear, like, travelers talking about it a lot. He's like, I'm not just a kid in a store, you know.

I know about the world. He's worldly. He talks to space sailors and shit. That's wild. I have to attract a person. previous statement, I believe on the Phantom Menace episode, I defended the Boonti Eve race as being like a fun spectacle. Watching it in theaters almost put me to sleep. I don't know why. I don't know what's wrong with my brain in either direction, but I take it all back. And then most

importantly, duel of the faiths, the fight with Darth Mall remains all-timer, top to bottom, every bit of it doesn't get better anyway they have struggled to have someone who feels as dangerous as mall that bit where he's the the the tiger in the cage pacing like they've never had a dark jett's never come close he feels like he's just here to kill you and he's gonna like all this there's all this mythology shit and all this like all this crap but like fundamentally love of the game love of the game yeah that's the other guy right that's the You need to, this motherfucker just does some shit with the ball. You know, out of love and hate.

It's about love and hate, and I'm the biggest hater. That's Darth Mall. So, anyway, we should get back to this episode. Anyway, I love Anakin. I feel, I miss Anakin. I love him so much. But you don't like off model Anakin. It pains me.

It was hard to see him in this state, I will say. It was. He'd rather see him as the lava damage. Old Anakin. Don't worry. We'll never see him State again, so. It just, he looks off.

He looks a little off and I don't like it. His hair is like a little too light. There's just things about it that just, it's off for me. But what outside of just my, my, like, wistful, you know, pining for Anakin to return to us. The fact that these videos

that Anakin made, like, training videos that Ezra somehow has seen is so wild to me. Like, the fact that when was he, when, when did he have to say, sorry, Padme, I am, I got to go to my room and I got to go, I got to go, I got to go to the Jedi Temple. I got to do like a, you know, like a training recording video. I'll be back later. When did that happen? I need to know. I need to know how these were distrower. I need to know everything about this.

It has a strong vibe of like we filmed a lecture he was giving to live students. This is like if you want to pay MIT or Cal for like access to their to their archive of like lecture series and see like such and such a physicist gives talk talks about this. So like so and so teaches intro, you know, intro to chemistry. This has the same vibe of like, all right. So look, you have to come in. you have to do your pedigodgy requirements. I know there's war on, but you have to come in and teach the younglings this stuff. We're going to, we're going to hollow it.

Yeah. And he had to pick. Go ahead, Allie. Well, but it puts so much context into the, like, all of the clone war stuff of him being, like, a famous Jedi. Like, he was the war hero. Like, it wasn't just, like, people getting, like, reports of shit that he was doing. He was the guy who was training the soldiers. Like, these were popular.

videos. And they wouldn't let him become a master? Well, I bet everybody who's a Jedi Knight has to do some of this. And it's like, well, what do you do? And most people are off being like, well, here's how you feel the force of a rose. And he's like, I'm doing Sabre 101. This is 101. Everybody has to take this. This is a required course. Like, and normally Mace Windu teaches this, but Maze is busy. So I'm going to do it. And I'm Anakin Skywalker. And everyone's going to want to go in my unit of it, you know, my section of Saber 101 shit. Everyone loves him. He's great, you know?

And I bet also, he's like, I don't, Padmay, I don't want to teach these fucking kids. She's like, well, maybe you can find something you'd love to teach them. Like, lightsaber combat. And he's like, well, maybe that would be okay. Because, you know, like, Obi-Wan's doing animal empathy courses. That's the thing he's doing. He's teaching the, like, how do you get a big animal to ride? And I bet Ezra's watch those videos, too.

Oh, yeah, 100%. But how did Ezra get them? Do you think that Canaan has like a little kind of like CD holders, those like zipper zipper CDs? If they're portable, I wonder if Keenan in his, I mean, like we kind of have confirmation that Canaan was a paddle on in this episode. But maybe he just has his training videos from that era. Yeah, probably. Which would include these, right? That's cool.

I just got to walk around with like a bag full of polychrons. Yeah. And you're just like Each one of these is one lecture Is one lecture Yeah Maybe it's a series Maybe you get the whole lecture series

But it's only one topic You know Yeah And these are not those sorts of hologrons That talk back to you Unlike the ones from like Some of the Knights of the Old Republic

Comic stuff Or the old Republic comic stuff That we read Where it's like You get talked to Holocon Anakin That would be wild Imagine if Asoka

Had the The Anika had the Anikin the holocron you could talk to. I would die. Anyway. Anywho.

So, yeah. Time to go back to Lothal. Time to go to Lothal. Well, first, I was terrified that they were going to somehow go to Dagaba because she's like, we need to talk to Master Yoda. I was like, no way did other people go to Dagaba. No possible way. But no, we go to Lothal.

They do see him. Ezra sees him perched up on a name tree limb, though. He's there. He's on dead. He's on Dagaba. He's zooming in from Dagaba right now. I cannot believe he can get the fucking zoom call. I'm, okay, so they go to the temple. They have to do a little Jedi ritual, magic ritual, force ritual to open the door. They pulled it up even higher. Right, they pull it up higher. Asoka's like, I shouldn't do this. Yeah. I'm not a Jedi. It's best if you two open it. Yeah, for all the, the lying that she does to the two of them, this seems to be the first time that she's like admitting this because she has to. Yeah. If you. Um, if you, It feels like maybe Canaan knew, but Ezra definitely didn't. Yeah, Ezra seemed a little shocked by that. Wait, am I blanking here?

Their implications, Canaan didn't complete. That's my, yeah. The fact that, that's what I was saying, these are Canaan's Paddalaun's holocrons. Is that, like, he just has them from when he was a Patowan. He's still a Paddwan. This episode confirms that he's been a Paddawan this whole time. Oh, but I guess he hasn't fully left the order. So that's why she doesn't see an issue with him doing it.

Right. But for her, it feels a little. bit like taking communion. Exactly. You know, after you renounce the thing. Who cares? Who cares?

Who cares? Lift the fucking thing up. No, she might be right. You see when the Sith do it later, they're not even Sith. They're also ex-gen-I. I guess in that context, it makes more sense as,

in the sense that if she were to contribute to it, it might like corrupt or, you know, there could be alarm system go off. Okay, that makes sense. I'll accept that. It seems to accept Ezra as a Jedi via, like, knock-on. You know what I mean? Well, this is my actual, yeah.

This is my actual question about this, about this event is our Canaan and Ezra Jedi. Like, Canaan is a Padawan who didn't complete his training, didn't formally leave the Jedi, I almost said the Jedi church, the Jedi, the Jedi. institution Jedi order but Ezra I like it just there's something about this that formalizes

the idea that Ezra is training to become a Jedi not a force user a Jedi and I find that really fascinating because I think we're in this like proto

Ray place of like trying to pick a the piece. It's like trying to pick up the pieces of a fallen order that you don't have access to beyond like your closest source of knowledge is Canaan who was a child and was just learning these things. So you still have a bit more proximity to it. Right. It's not broken, but it's not direct. It's not or it's not direct to a source of authority. In fact, Asoka probably knows more than Canaan does, but has opted out and will not engage in bad faith and say, well, I'm basically still a Jedi. I still have the skills. I still know the knowledge. Totally. And seems to be saying, like, it's actually dangerous for me to knowing that I do not believe this shit, that I've dropped whatever the oaths I've taken are to try to just, like, slide back into that. I'm doing something else over here now. Yeah. It makes me very curious to see what

Canon and Ezra's brand of Jedi continues to develop to mean and be without the Jedi order to kind of dictate and shape it. Well, as long as we're talking to fucking Yoda, I don't know that they can fully do their own thing. They're still just franchising, you know? Which, by the way, I do still like, I said this back during the first time we came to this temple.

I like, here's a weird ancient Jedi temple, and I like the idea of the imperial era, partly including, there's a handful of Jedi or X Jedi out there who are going to find ancient Jedi temples to recover knowledge. This is the stuff that you were just talking about with Ray. I like that. Like, if we end up in a sequel situation, if we end up getting, I mean, we're supposed to get that Ray sequel movie or show or whatever the hell it's supposed to be, right? It's a movie. If some of that includes going to lost Jedi temples that are scattered throughout the galaxy, that's not the worst thing to me. I like that stuff in the same way that I like ancient Sith temples. There's something fun there.

And in fact, this would be stronger if it wasn't about connecting to Yoda, but was about connecting to some, you know, old republic, you know, high republic, whatever era Jedi stuff. Yoda is the weakling for me here But otherwise He's mellowing fast though Yeah, he's getting to be Yoda Where do we want to go? Because there's three Well literally a door appears

I like this that like The vision appears to Canaan Nobody else sees it He's like anyone just see the door Of glowing light And he just walks through it And we get the reaction shot Of the other two

Where's like where'd he go He's gonna roll with it He goes into the Matrix He goes into the fucking Matrix training room Neos writing Morpheus fighting Morphias. And do we just want to talk about everything happens in this room before like the day and mom?

Let's just do it one, two, three. You know what I mean? Yeah, that sounds good. Temple guards are here. Yeah, he meets one of the temple guards. They got their, they got their cool like double lightsaber staff situation. I didn't realize that it was foldable.

Did you notice that? It's like the Darth Mall Sabre except it folds like a like a collapsible phone. Like a flip phone. Exactly. Also a little bit like a butter. Fly switchblade. Yeah, true. But, like, which would be a vibe, I think.

Again, if the Jedi had a little more that attitude. And they have, it's the all white guys with the masks, the all white, like, uniform with the mask that we, that were in, especially the episodes with, what's her face? What is her name? Who betrays the order? Oh, Barris. The Barris Offey episodes. Remember at the time we saw them, we're like, damn, they're cool as hell. Like, they got a vibe.

Like, let's see more of them, please. yeah yeah and yeah this guy seems like a badass but as they are as he is fighting Canaan he begins working toward the real source of Canaan's anxiety but he's not just it isn't just facing your fears this guy is straight

up telling you that kid's no good it's not gonna go it's not gonna go what like you're hoping this is this this goes beyond like ambiguous prophecy to me and it is just like Canaan is being straight up told over the course of this fight this kid is going to break bad like and the more you teach him

to a fight the more you teach the more you the more you raise him as a as a Jedi and like bring him to the fight against the empire the more certain we get that this is going to go bad yeah he's got to go to the dark side

is the threat that's being made pretty openly here well I was going to I was just going to ask, how does the guard know that? Because he says, well, how do we like this reservation, this reveal? Well, it's, it's, it's partly a reveal, but it's also,

go ahead and let's do the reveal. Let's do the reveal, and then we'll come back around on a frustration I have with this. So the reason the temple guard is so convinced this is how it's going to go. Of course, he's, he's walked these steps. He knows, he knows how this goes. He was, he was once in a situation like that. he turned into the Grand Inquisitor proving Dave's

earlier statement that we'd already met this character we already met the Grand Inquisner He was a you don't remember this from a Rebels Recon Oh, I do Because he was doing a lot of work Yeah, he was a guard He was a guard. I mean maybe he was one of the guards behind Who like carried Asoka into the trial

You know That's what they met had names like yeah i know he was being a little devious he was being a little sly fox when are we taking anxiety force metaphors that you have to overcome as truth like am i supposed to leave this conversation thinking that ezra is really going to go to the dark side and like that's really the i mean that's i think that's the interesting line right is is it that is the thing because i'm sorry the end of this is he doesn't he canaan says you know what i can't Just, I can't go kill Ezra.

I can't prevent Ezra from doing X or Y. All I can do is train Ezra to be the best he is, and I have to leave it up to Ezra from here on. And he kneels and says, I'll accept my fate. I'll lose this fight. I'll get killed by these temple guards. And instead of killing him, they knight him and let him stand and say, you're now a Jedi knight, reveals who he is, reveals that he's the Grand Inquisitor.

And then things start to go bad, and the grand inquisitor is like, I'm going to help as best I can, get out of here. Right. And at that point, the question, Allie is, I mean, there's so many questions here. One of them is, was that a real prophecy that was being laid at the feet? And we've talked about dark Ezra here and there throughout the episodes and the sense that sometimes there's like an anger in him or a move towards violence or a move towards dynamic action that blends into the dark side, which we saw in Anakin a little bit. And we know it was part of the Luke story. So, like, is that real?

Or was saying all that a test for Canaan emerging from his anxieties, but also maybe emerging as? part of the, you are now a Jedi Knight test. You've overcome your fear of dark Ezra, and that lets you ascend to Jedi Knight. Adding a second bit on this is a thing that we'll get to in the Faloni zone. I'm going to save the Faloni zone until we're done this episode. It's not the Inquisitor, and it's not an emanation of Canaan's, you know, anxiety, and it's not the temple. That's Yoda. This is a Yoda

Yoda is doing this to Canaan Yoda is the one What? Yeah, I know You Genuinely, this is not a bit Genuinely This shit is annoying

Yeah, it's annoying Wait, why? We should just, well Is Yoda doing it to Asoka too? Yeah, it's all Yoda. All of these things is yours Oh, shut the fuck up. No,

Get out of here off bottle Yoda. Now let's finish the episode and we'll talk about off model That I will go to the thing. Yeah. I'm so... Well, this just got way less cool. I agree.

And so I'm going to discard it. It's not in the text. When the Inquisitor senses that his former... Yes. Dark pupils are there. He's like, I'll hold them off as long as I can. And I like the idea that in his force purgatory, he got sent to go like... Serve as like Jacob Marley to Canaan's Ebenezer Scrooge.

And as part of his penance, he is going to... pass on the warning of like here's what happens when you want to fight so badly you're missing the dangers of what you're of the direction things things are headed and then is the one to induct canaan into the order just as canaan with the one sort of usher him into his death well and remember the last thing he said is there are things worse than me right and this this sense that like in his heart of hearts bad dude grand inquisitor terrible person has done terrible things. But there is at least some degree of being driven by fear and not belief, right? Being driven by a sort of moral extortion that is, oh my God, Darth Vader is so scary. He's turned

me into this. And at his heart, he's gone through the same training that Canaan has. He's been, he went through the Jedi training. He's a Jedi knight and knows all of that stuff. It's part of, remember, some of the early good back and forth between Canaan and the Grand Inquisitor was about like him being oh is that you know this is your master to ezra like this kid who like doesn't know anything you don't know that canaan isn't a real Jedi right i know what canaan knows i know more than what canaan knows he's not he hasn't gone through it all and so yeah i really liked the idea of this really being the grand inquisitor to the degree that we could just agree that it is the text doesn't say that it isn't you know uh philony zone be damned so i like that even if it isn't

the grand inquisor. It is instead this like Canaan internal thing of being like, I wasn't even a night. I have this like leftover like respect for the like guards at the Jedi Temple. The Jedi temple doesn't exist anymore. I don't know what I'm going back to. I don't know how to best, you know, uh, guide Ezra. I don't know how to deal with Ezra's feelings. I don't know what's going on the Inquisitors. I don't understand how they know the force. How do I have peace? I understand how they're more powerful to me.

Like these things. Like what is my relationship to these, these monsters is what he said in an earlier episode. Like let him, let that come from Canaan. Why is that? It ain't hard. Let that just come from Canaan.

Again, we'll get, you know, maybe I've misrepresented of the Filoni zone. I don't believe I have. We'll get there all about all three of these stories. Okay. Do you want to go checking in on Asoka next?

Because I think hers is maybe the simple. before we get into the density of Yoda's little message. Yeah. I would say Asoka's just got a good old-fashioned haunting going on. Yeah. Interestingly, she doesn't move to a different place. She's in the temple, right, the whole time, or in this Jedi temple, and the ghost of Anakin shows up at the kind of entryway.

Saying, where were you when I needed you? Yeah, she's, like, sitting there meditating with Ezra, and as she's talking to Ezra, he, like, all of a sudden disappears. And she's describing kind of what Master Yoda was like before, like, the last time she knew him and how he was so sad. Yeah, that's an interesting note, actually, right? Yeah. Before she gets to her haunting, yeah, she describes Yoda as being, like, that he used to be, when she first met him, he was, he was, like. He would teach all the younglings in the temple, and he was wise and kind and, and, and, um, then he, the burden, the sorrow of the war. Yeah, the sorrow of the war made him carry great burdens, and he really didn't like being a part of it, I guess.

Which is interesting. The idea that the war, like, we have not seen them talk about this openly, that the war wounded the Jedi in this way. Yeah, every time the war is, like, referred to as the clone war, and, like, it, it, It really contextualizes it and cements it as like a moment in the history of this place and of the people affected. It's like it kind of because I think when I think the Clone Wars, I think of like this cartoon that we watched. But to reassociate it to the actual conflict and like to hear it talked about. within the show itself, really like legitimizes it and kind of makes it feel more serious,

more like weighted for those that went through it or have been affected by it. Asoka describes Yoda's as kind of understanding that one time was ending and another was beginning, which it really does feel like the end of the Clone War was the end of a particular time and that this is a post-clone war world. And I like when the show leans into its own history like that. And it doesn't feel like we're kind of.

We, of course, also remember that one of the reasons that he knows that time is changing is because in that one stupid episode, he saw the future. This is the last episode of season six, right? Didn't he see? Went to that plant, the fucking force planet where he got to, he did all the little funny tasks with the force. Yeah. I forget, does he literally see Palpatine?

No, he doesn't know he's fighting. He doesn't know he's Palpatine. Yeah, yeah. But look, I actually, I like when that episode ended up, right? I love the elegiac quality of it where like by the end of that, I think it gets us to the Yoda that Asoka is describing, which is a guy with a profound sense of fatalism. Yes. That, like, he's realized we've, we're already, like, we're basically already checkmated.

We just don't know it. Like, it's, it's like mate into, right? Yeah. And there, and, like, there's nothing we can do to stop that. And so he's just sort of consumed last we see him, he's sort of haunted by the thoughts of everyone that was there before it all went bad. But there's a lot of Yoda propaganda happening here, I would say. This is sort of a quintessential, like, I don't know, I'm trying to put into words

like why this bugs me so much because I'm trying not just like have to be reflexive like, Yoda, you little bastard. But I think it is that we've ended up back in this place of how do we resist evil? How do we confront and fight evil? And Yoda

tells a really selective version of like how the Clone Wars break down and you know join the fight swiftly the Jedi did and then consumed by the dark side we were and I was I was consumed by fear though I did not see it this is in the Ezra you're talking about

in the Ezra vision yeah where he sees Dagabai Yoda talking to him yeah and like I think it is it was wild to hear him say outright consumed by the dark side the Jedi were yeah so but it's also getting to this like well whatever we're going to do

don't think it's as simple as fighting the empire. Well, what should I do? Eh? That is the problem. I think that is the part where it's like it is a little too abstract. I think it kind of bugs me because it's like, so because you resisted badly, you're saying, well, don't do that.

Yeah, don't do that. I mean, this is the... Yoda don't have the answers, Swai. You know? Like, he, he doesn't, Ezra asks him outright, so should I not want to protect my friends? Which, of course, is like an echo of,

and also a pre-sentiment of Luke, leaving Dagabba to go protect us, try to protect his friends, and then losing against Vader, and Han getting frozen and all that stuff. And, and Yod doesn't really have a good answer for him. The answer he kind of gives him is like,

hey, be wary of being afraid. Don't get afraid. Don't let fear drive you. Yes, it's, he doesn't say yes, it's good to protect your friends, but he says it's a lifelong challenge not to let fear bend towards anger, right? And so broadly, he's saying, don't act out of fear, call, you know, parentheses when you try to protect your friends. But he doesn't say it outright. And he doesn't have a stratagem for beating the fucking empire, you know, like, yeah, the social network voice. you could have beaten the empire, you would have beaten the empire. You know, like he doesn't have it like that.

And he doesn't really have good guidance for Ezra here outside of the don't be afraid, don't get angry, which that's just Jedi stuff, right? And I guess broadly, war can change you. Be careful. Don't lean in. Don't be arrogant. Don't think you can just easily fight this war without it changing you, which isn't bad advice. But it's like, y'all didn't know that beforehand? Right.

How did the Canaan's You're the guys who are supposed to know that. Yeah. Right. This is the, like, you know what it is? It's like, you go to all this and I think it's delivered like, ah, we really learned something from the Oracle. Thank you, Master Yon for giving us a new perspective. No, this is Canaan's perspective.

Literally, we learn nothing. Yeah. Like, yes, Canaan was like, I don't want to join the, I don't want to join the rebellion. Why? Because I've been down this road. It got, like, things went bad. Yeah. You know, we get to.

we get we have the conversation with Ezra and Ezra had like in the place he had in life needs really more direct guidance right it's it's it's really a lot more like what's my next step what type of Jedi ought I be trying to be and Yoda's like middle course like not too you know like fight but like not too much like love your friends but like not too much and it's it's it's kind of a frustrating it's kind of frustrating thing the thing again he's a real answer a question with a question question person. He's like, the question isn't how, how do you win? It's, it's how do you win, right? It's how does a Jedi win? That's the real question. No, my man, you lost. You did not

win before. It was not a matter of you won the wrong way. Your side lost in that war. It just you didn't know which side you were on. That was the real problem. So, you know, it's like this guy, you know, this guy would not have lasted five minutes, uh, taking Jesuit or, uh, rabbinical training. Like, it just wouldn't know, because that's kind of it, right? Where it's like, hmm, I will, I will take your query and then pose a different query. And instead, it's a lot of like shoulder shrugging and like gesturing. It's like, yeah, I honestly, you know, I have not had to write a Jedi story before, right? Um, but I, I wonder if part of what's missing here is a, And I don't, you know, I can't speak to the, to the spiritual training of the folks who have written the Clone Wars and Rebels episodes that we have watched.

But I do feel like there is a, you know, or Lucas's in general either, right? But there is a sense of like, you know, a priest or, like you said, any sort of spiritual leader will fundamentally at a certain point give particular guidance. in some way if they have, if they are good at what they do. And that guidance might not be go do this one good thing. But there is like, you know, there is a reason why priests have been, uh, uh, advisors across history. And, and one of the reasons is like, they will give you the moral, the moral go ahead. And that, maybe that's bad sometimes. Maybe they'll tell you it's okay to go do this military action and find some convoluted way to give you that, that justification. Um, And maybe that's something they're trying to avoid with Yoda here, but particular advice would not, you know, I don't know that the answer should have been Yoda said, oh, I can tell you love animals, lean into the natural world or something.

But in some ways, that might be better than the sort of shrugging, now be careful about war, war is bad. He knows that war is bad. I feel like if there had been something about that was personal to Ezra instead of this generalization. that we've heard one billion times from Yoda that is like a non-committal, like middle of the road, don't do too much of this, don't do too much of that. Like, well, maybe, you know. But Yoda don't have it, and I think that that's fine.

Yeah, Yoda might not have it, but like I think the problem for me is it ends up feeling like, oh, we're just trapped in a prequel. Like, we're trapped in what... we know is coming. And so because we know that Luke is going to be the one to save the galaxy at the end of the day, like we lose Ezra's role in this moment. And because Yoda has to give the advice to Luke

in, you know, X amount of years that we were, like Ezra's role and Canaan's role in this moment of, of what it means to be a Jedi against, you know, the incoming Sith, you know, expansion movement is so ambiguous. I don't really understand what Ezra and Canaan's role

is outside of participating in the rebellion with Hera and with, you know, the rest of Phoenix Squadron and Captain Cato and whatever. Interestingly, they don't provide the role that Yodod does to others. So it's not like, it's not like Yoda said, listen, you're going to get surrounded by some people who all they can think about is how to win the war. You need to be the voice to make sure they don't go down some paths. You know, we should not have let, we should not have agreed to start to, to have those clones. Maybe we did need to go to war

against the separatists. We should not have bred clones to do the fighting for us. That a mistake. Think about the mistakes you might be making along the way. There are mistakes that will take you off the, you know, some war is necessary. There are some things that you do in war that aren't fun. But there are some things that you will find yourself saying are justified that are not justified. You have to be the voice in the room that does that, because these other people can only think about the suffering that they have gone through. And that's not the advice Yoda gives, right? And again, those are the sorts of things that real spiritual The Yoda ever given direct advice like that?

Like, Yoda's advice has always been ambiguous enough to be left open to interpretation. Except, I think, and the reason he looms so large is he proves to be a really capable tutor to Luke. And I think one of the things that is really frustrating with how he's deployed in the series is that now he's just Jedi instruction on demand. Everything has to come back to Yoda if there's a Jedi who's like, what should I do now? Here's Yoda. It's the same Yoda that we encounter at Galaxy's Edge or on the Halcyon, right? Where it's like, you know, oh, here's Master Yoda here to talk to you because he's always ready to talk to people, ready to walk the way of the Jedi. But I think the thing that gets lost there is I do not think he is pretending in Empire Strikes Back when he's like, I really don't want to be like, this kid scares me.

We're getting to him late. It's just like what happened to Anakin, where he came to us late in life before we start doing Jedi training. Look what happened there. Now this kid's even older and angrier. Like, I don't want to do it. And the other thing is, yeah, go ahead. Well, and Obi-1 has to intercede in that movie.

And, like, part of the tension there is he, he's ambiguous in a way that feels, he is very, he's effective, right? The way he sends Luke off to the dark side cave and the cautions he gives him. but, like, I'm going to let you make your own mistakes. If you're not hearing what I am telling you as explicitly as I can, that's on you. All of that gets a little bit undercut, and we get much more of a, like, mentor on demand figure in Yoda. But since he doesn't have the answers, we end up doing this thing where we have an entire episode based around him being like, yeah, man, I don't know. Like, it was pretty fucked up back then.

Yeah. And then everyone's like, damn, Yoda really does have it all figured out. The thing is, Yoda has specific advice for Luke because he knows who Luke is, right? Luke's particular problems, Yoda understands. Luke is impatient. Luke, he describes Luke as like always looking into the future and never being like in the place that he is immediately. Even thinking about Yoda and Anakin, he's like, Anakin's problems is attachment. Anakin is attached to his material relationships in this world and they're going to lead him to a path, a dark path.

Those are particular things about those characters. Whether the Jedi Order was itself equipped to handle those problems, we know where we all stand on that stuff, right? But he was able to give Luke good training in some degree because that training was about trying to get him out of his own head about the future, out of his own head about how things might go bad and to focus on the now and to focus on his positive relationships with people and not his fears that they might die or that his fear. that they might remain evil. It's why he's able to put the saber down in the fight with Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi is because he's come to understand

that everybody is darkness in them and that he can trust that his father's light will overcome that darkness because Luke himself has overcome that darkness. That comes from training with Yoda and that comes through revelations that Luke finds inside of himself

once he's on the right track with Yoda. He can't do that stuff for Ezra. He doesn't know Ezra like that. Ezra is a kid who's calling him. And again, it's part of why I almost wish Yoda had said something about your connection to the natural world or

your connection of this planet like something particular about who Ezra is instead of these general feelings or Ezra's position in the burgeoning rebellion you know? Yeah. Which again, Yod doesn't say shit about war to Luke really. You know, that's because

those movies didn't really understand what the Clone Wars were yet. But also Luke likes war too much. Which I do think is something he picks up right away. That's true. This kid basically lands on Degovah being like one death star down point me at the next death star yeah and it's like this is not

like the stakes are spiritual now like they're not you can't just you're not going to you're not going to blow up the empire yeah um I will say you does get to one good thing here which is as the the one he says to Ezra as he leaves is

hey like it's a lifelong battle to keep fear from turning in the anchor which is probably the most honest thing where it's like you're never going to outgrow this like you're always going to be fighting to keep from falling into this trap it is the trap of everyone's afraid and the easiest thing in the world is to meet that with anger it's is decent advice but it's also stepped on because the cave starts to come come down around them real quick

it feels like the character model is really off he looks like a weird old man he looks so weird He looks like a man He looks like a human I don't like it at all I don't like how much I see his teeth While he talks Yeah you can count his teeth It's weird

I don't like it I don't like it's everything's closer Into the center than it should be That's what it is Usually Yoda is spread out But it's like He's too round He looks like a toy version

of himself. He's like Nendroid Yoda's here. You're right. Yeah, like it's just We need more ear. The fact that you know what this? They couldn't also. They struggle with the hair because hair is hard for CG. And especially for this specific style. The wispy hair. They don't do well. They don't do the wisp. They do like big block hair. But now it just looks like he's got a Caesar cut with a little bit of sideburn action happening, which again, weird old man of They could have just given him the Homer Simpson and it would have been fine. I would have appreciated that. They also, sorry, we just, the thing I was to say is we just saw the Phantom Menace

Yoda, the CG Yoda, which is bad. And the Phantom Menace denoised CG Yoda, which is worse. And this is still worse than that. Wait, did they completely get rid of Frank Oz's puppet? That puppet's not in that movie. That's all, that Yoda is all CG, I believe. I thought he still had a little bit of puppet. No, no, they did a re-of.

He was a puppet. Yeah, yeah. When the movie came out, it was a puppet, Rob. That's all CD now. Wait. Wait, they took out the puppet. It was in the original theatrical release. You've not seen this, though.

Frank Oz did some puppet. Yeah, yeah, I'll show you an image. One second. There was a puppet? Wait. Yeah, there used to be that Yoda in episode one used to look like the thing up top here, which was still not great.

And then it became this bottom version that through the, this re-release, the Disney Plus re-release, CGI Yoda. I can see why they changed that. It's not a great puppet. Like, look at the puppet Empire. Yeah, I don't. We talked about this at the time.

We talked about this at the time because the puppet was so bad, even in episode two and three. Okay, yeah. Well, it's all, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Wow. Yeah.

Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, I agree. I think, you know, most of the time I say, Films should not be able to have patch updates. Mm-hmm. In this instance, maybe it was for the best to change the other.

From this bad puppet. From the bad puppet. They just like, oh, shit, we lost it. Hey, Frank, you remember how that puppet works, right? Here's a video comparison. You can see. It's a little, it's a little, it's not good. This Yoda puppet is not.

It wasn't good. It's like a different face entirely. His lips are so forward. It's weird. Anyway, yeah, they changes it apparently in 2011. It does have more of that like,

a Dagaba freak. It does have that. You're not wrong. Yeah, but he looks absolutely blitzed as the problem. There is like something about, it's like his upper lip is sticking out too far. Like he's got.

like before the meeting he jammed like an orange rind up there i don't know it's it's kind of a weird vibe anyway he's also a literal guy and cg like he takes up less space in the chair he does he's a littler guy i think he's a literal guy i was like he's a literal guy bro bro he's a literal guy right now so we get the probably the most impressive thing we've seen the Inquisitors do is just like completely force hijack the temple. Then they go in there, they're confronted

by the specter of the Inquisitor and we get a cool like they are overcome by the phantoms of the temple guards. But of course they're just phantoms. The you know five and seven are fine. Asoka

sees Yoda as she flees the temple because really there's nothing for her in this episode. I am, well, we skipped an important thing, which is her crying. We did see her tear up and cry when Vader shows up. And Anakin becomes Vader and makes the accusation. She laches out on him. Yeah.

She swings. Like she screams and tries to attack him. Yeah. Not a Jedi. Not that a Jedi would ever lash out and attack anybody. So, you know. But yeah, I don't like this. I don't like that Yoda's like, hi, Asoka.

You know what I mean? You don't deserve that shit. Unless there's some shit in season seven we haven't seen where they become cool. But I can't imagine. Hey, remember that time I tried to do you for murder? Like, are you fucking real? You ruined my life, man. You didn't trust me.

I would have, I would have appreciated her having a little bit more of a complicated presentation of her relationship to Yoda. Just a little smile. She's like, smile and nod back. I'm Asoka. And then her, and she turns and her face falls. It's one of the consistent weaknesses with all the post-Lukas stuff of everyone working in this universe, with the exception of our Lord and Savior, Tony Gilroy, Big Ton. Want us to have the same relationship with, like, wants the characters to have the relationship that we do.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, it ill serves the material. real. It's like, it's cool that we all love Yoda because it's like, man, I love Yodin Empire. He's such a great character. What we see in the Clone Wars, I think be very fair for a lot of characters to come away from that whole experience feeling very conflicted about one another. Right. Like, it's one of those things where by the end of it, is Asook even cool with Obi-Wan? To a degree, like, there's always going to be a question of like, who fucked up here? Like, who wasn't there for

our boy? There's a, um, over on shelved by genre, which is the podcast I do with Cameron, Kundleman and Michael Lutz, where we talk about genre books. We just finished our Earthsea unit. We read all six Earthsy novels plus some short stories. I love that series before everyone starts turning a dragon every 10 seconds. Well, you know, there's stuff throughout it that I like. There's stuff even in those books that I really like. Oh, me too.

One of the things in the book, without getting too spoilery, there's a pair of characters in the third book who have a really intense relationship, a mentor relationship that kind of goes bad. And then at the end, one of them kind of gets into a new important role in the world and the other one fucks off. The other one is depressed and feels like he can't do anything right and he fucks off. And the first one, all he wants is to have the second one back in his life again in a mentor role in some role. And it never happens. You know, the two of them never patch it up. they never get back in contact. They never have that relationship again. And you like both of those

characters by the end of those books. You're like, damn, you know, like they both turned out, they both turned out all right. But the two of them never, that gap never closes. And it's good. It's so good that it never closes. It's like, it's so, it makes the trauma that one of them felt feel so real that he can never close that gap again. He can never go back and like try to patch that relationship up, but it didn't end on terrible terms even. It's just one of those things where it's like, I just can't do it. And the idea, I wish, what it avoids is the thing you're talking about, Rob, where it lets the characters not have to have what the reader feels for them in their own view of the world. It lets them feel like real characters, real people, because they don't, their perspectives

do not line up with the readers, even though they have the same general, you know, knowledge of the world that the reader does. It's totally viable for Yoda and Asoka to both like Ezra and both want to support Ezra and both want the empire to lose and both feel bad about how stuff turned out with Anakin and all that other stuff, but for the two of them to not necessarily see eye to eye. Or for Yoda to feel bad and want Asoka's approval, but for Asoka to not give him that. You know, and it's like, well, what happened that suddenly she's like, yeah, hey Yoda. It's like they were even tight back in the day anyway. You know what I mean?

No, Yoda was the, is the epitome of the, of, is the concentrated essence of everything that was wrong with the Jedi order when Asoka left. When she left. And so, like, she turned her back on the Jedi order. Here is the head of the Jedi Council that wanted to, to execute you, not execute you, but. I mean, she wouldn't have gotten executed, right? Yeah.

she would have gotten executed for treason. Maybe there's a... I would have beef. If I saw, if I were Asoka, I would have beef. There would be, it would be at least not, you know, the friendly, oh, there's grandpa. The only thing I think of it is that this is gesturing towards some sort of renitting, some sort of, you know. Oh, like there was something that they had a... In the same way that she said she saw Anakin before.

The last time she saw Anakin, he was about to go save the chancellor. maybe she saw Yoda again and got to some even ground the way that Yoda has friends like maybe she's like a chubaca to Yoda where it's like listen you're not a Jedi but we're buds we hang out I guess I could accept that I will I will only accept that if there is something if we watch season seven of Clone Wars and they have a meet up and have a conversation that makes that can you imagine being Luke and you've gone to train with Yoda and you go and you try to rescue Han and lay on them and everything bad happened, oh my God, Luke, I'm your father, da-da-da-da-da. And then you get back on the Millennium Falcon, they save you, you're hanging from the bottom of Kyle City, you're getting your hand repaired, and everyone's like,

where were you? Where'd you go? And he's like, I found Master Yoda, this little green frog man on Dagaba, and he trained me in the ways of the force. And Chubacca's like, oh, yeah, Yoda? I know Yoda. I know that weird. lived on the, can you fucking imagine

even before that, because I think he knows Yoda's still out there? He met Yoda on Kashique. I didn't think that roachers spaceship was going to work. Right. That's what I mean, what you're saying to Adelaide? He met he met Yoda on Kashique. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, can you imagine being Luke and be like, I just went through this wild experience?

I went to Dagler and I met this little green freak. Do you know what I mean? And she was just like, oh yeah. And also that reveals that Luke never, when Luke was like, I need to find a new master after Obi-Wan died. And Obi-Wan, how does he learn about Yoda? Obie-Wan tells him he has to go find Yoda, right? Yeah, when he says, Ghosts, Luke never was like, yeah,

Obi-Wan's ghost is telling me after you go find Yoda. And because if he said that, Chooey would have been like, oh, Yoda? Yeah, he's like a little green guy. He doesn't, his species doesn't have a name. They're Yoda species. I don't know. Good luck finding him. We know that didn't happen because when he meets Yoda, he's like, you're not anything.

You're just a weird gremlin monster. So either he didn't tell Chewy he was looking for Yoda or Chewy didn't tell him he was a little green freak. When Mothma knew him. Do you want Mothman know Yoda? She doesn't have a scene with him, but she 100% knows him. Wait. Oh, she would have, yeah. She's there in the Senate at the same time.

Oh, right. He's not a figure out of myth. Right. I could see the argument for Chewy, but I don't think that Mon Mothba is inner circle enough that She wouldn't know the head of the Jedi Council Just even by name on the like on the you know

Right there are mad people Bail knew like there are mad people I guess Bail's dead for the time Luke's in the rebellion Because of the whole Alderan thing But there are mad people who would remember Yoda So when when Obama just doesn't say shit But Obama's like you should go find Yoda He's a great Jedi

there's pictures of Yoda somewhere for sure you didn't go to Wikipedia my man I don't think so I don't think Luke Luke does not have that Luke the thing about Luke is he is a hymbo first he is a himbo first you're right he's kind of jockish he's kind of greasery like yeah he doesn't think all the way through he's not a due diligenceer yeah he does not do this stage yeah no at this stage You're right. Yeah, at this stage. He's a farm boy.

He's a kid. He's a farm boy. That's true. He's silly. That's fair. That's fair. I don't think he's like, guess what, guys? I think he's like, I have a secret mission from Obi-Wan.

He does. He's big on the whole-heed-de-sus. So again, that just gets his back, though, to the rest of the other half of this where he's like, I went to a mysterious place called Dagababa. And I met a great Jedi master named Yoda. And then mad people when he tells them that, are like, oh, Yoda's still out there? Yo, how's a little green freak doing? Is he going to come through?

We don't pick him up. We don't know him. Yota was probably like, please don't blow out my spot. Please don't blow out my spot. Like, I want to be alone. I don't want anyone coming and visiting me. Don't tell Chui.

Don't tell. Okay, but do you think Yoda was like, when you come back, bring me some of that good shit? Because I know you're still out there. Because he ate all the candy bars and shit in Luke's pack. You think he was like, I really want a Mexican Coke. Like, I haven't had.

You know what I mean? And like, here's my list. Here's the seven things I need. I need to see. This is a big Snickers bar? Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, exactly. Also, I.

Do we feel like Yoda is memorable enough that Chewy would care? He's, have you seen Yoda? He put Yoda in the little pod. And Yoda came and same to people. That was one time on a stressful day. You think that was like a Tuesday for Chewy? I feel like I would see Yoda be like, oh, yeah. yeah

you would not forget Yoda Yoda calls him my name yeah like he's like a family friend he's Uncle Yoda I don't know so real quick so the episode ends they flee the temple

Vader shows up to sort of like take control the site there's one shot I don't know why it stuck with me so much we get a POV Vader shot as he follows two stormtroopers through the through the entrance into the

temple. And I don't know why I found it so haunting. It is like just the lighting is so good. It is the most like, the space feels so real. Yeah. And he's tall. He's big in that suit, um, bigger than everybody else. And like, you know, he's returning to not the scene of the crime necessarily, but Vader walking through old busted Jedi temples is cool. He used to do this stuff. You know, there's something about it. I love seeing him walk through here. It is ruined by these dweeby stormtroopers that he has to hang out with all the time. Like, I feel for him.

Because if I were, if I were Darth Vader and I had to hang out with stormtroopers all the time, and I'm like going to the, I'm going to a Jedi temple. It's like so cool for me. It's so cool for me. And I'm just with a bunch of people who don't even. get it, don't even get it like I do. Maybe he knows them. Maybe they're his buds. I feel like this comes up in some of these Darth Vader comics. It must, right? That he has like... I feel like he, no more buds. Darth Vader doesn't... Anakin after losing... No, but he's always been a soldier's guy. Yeah, but I think he can't find it in him to establish connections with people like that again, because when he did have connections with people like that, they all died or betrayed him. So I feel like he's on his lone Wolf Sigma shit now, and he's surrounded by all these goober stormtroopers, and he's like in the Jedi temple, and it's like, wow.

And even the seventh brother-sister. Right, yeah, he doesn't go talking about them. He doesn't go shit about them. They're like, they're... I would just think he likes some of these stormtroopers more than he likes them. Yeah, I would agree with that. I would agree with that. But still, I don't see him having the same relationship that he did with.

With Rex. Or any of the clones, yeah. Or any of the clones. I was trying to remember if Cody was assigned him or Rex is assigned him. No, Rex is his. Cody was, was, uh, was, uh, Obi-Wans. Yeah, yeah. Um, who we're still unaccounted for, right?

We have no idea what happened to Cody. Yeah, Cody we have no idea about. Okay. Um, interesting. Yeah, I do, I do think like the Inquisitors, everything that's annoying about the Sith. The Inquisitors are doing, but they're way, less impressive. It's like, you're bench players, but you don't understand that your primary job here

is to, like, be vibes. And instead, it's like, it's washing them scrap for, like, you know, third string spots. Have you seen those TikTok videos of, like, please remember why you were asked to be a husband? Or please remember why you were invited to the hangout. It's like people doing like normal things and there's like a big X over it and then it's like people doing things like really politely and it's like thumbs up. I need that for whoever's out there who has the same TikTok brain as me. I need that for for the Inquisitors.

Thank you. You don't want to watch the Pheloni zone? Yeah, so I can yell at it. There's stuff in here that's interesting for sure. Give me a second to get to the spot. All right, here we go. Three, two, one, go. This week, our Jedi had some pretty heavy realizations inside the temple.

I sat down with cast and crew to talk about what it was like bringing Asoka and Anakin into the show, whether or not the Quran Inquisitor was really a temple guard and how Ezra has grown during his journey. Check it out. In what ways has Ezra grown since his last visit to the Jedi Temple? He's grown in the responsibility he has within the rebels because now they rely on him for a lot more than it did. He does a good job. He's really a job. I shouldn't be shit talking.

kind of to teach Ezra and expose him to certain things. And this trip to the Jedi Temple, it's almost like a mission of sorts where he needs to get something from the temple. In Canaan's vision, the Grand Inquisitor was shown as a Jedi guard. Was this true or was this just something that he... How is she even asking that question?

We were developing who the Grand Inquisitor was and where the Inquisitors came from, it became apparent that, yeah, they do have Jedi roots. Ultimately, the visions created in the temple are a means of communication for Yoda. to instruct and teach these young Jedi. The vision of the Grand Inquisitor is entirely motivated by Yoda.

I hate it. Basically, letting Canaan know that he is a Jedi Knight. Now that even has been made a Jedi Knight, what does that mean to him? The fight that Canaan has, that's sort of his Skywalker moment. He doesn't win until he realizes not to fight, which not many Jedi ever reached that.

And that's very rare in the history of Star Wars. What was it like having Ashley and that worked together again as a so- and Anakin. It was weird. I'm basically Lou Skywalker. Yeah.

They used to work together all the time. But I've been searching for a way to get Matt on the show. He could do many voices. He's very talented. You know what?

Does Anakin looks more like Matt? For Asoka and the relativity of her journey. That's, yeah. You have to understand of Anakin Skywalker. No, he doesn't. You have to understand it.

No, he doesn't. I saw him again. Before you've gotten involved with the show, were you able to enjoy the first season of Rebels as fans? I definitely enjoyed the show as a fan, but secretly.

Publicly, I tried to act act like I was a bit more indifferent because I didn't want to give it away that Asoka came out at the end of season one. I really liked it. It's a really fun time in the Star Wars saga. Something that I really enjoy about it is seeing more of the empire, kind of the behind the scenes. The first act of Shraudgeoned and Asoka were together immediately before the events of Revenge of the Sith. Has Dave given you any hints as to what happened in those final moments together?

Not really much at all. Dave likes to keep things tight, but Dave is so aware of things. If we needed a piece of that for this performance, he would fill us in. I've tried to give as many clues as I can as to what did happen after she left the Jedi Order. For now, I have to treat the characters with the experience that I know they had.

So Asoka can't lie. She can't say, the last time I was Ayanika and I walked away from him at the Jedi Temple, no, no, no. Because she has seen him since then. She was involved in a very important mission at the end of the cloners. We've gotten to tell a critical point.

piece of her story. One that I wasn't sure I'd get to tell after Clone Wars stopped. Rebels has really been a benefit, not just for the people working on it, but to continue the story of a character that they all have been a part of creating. We're so close now to the end. So, you know, it's exciting. All right, here we go. There's a chopper cam, and then there's a question, and the question is, the question is that in the first Vader comic, which Pablo is like, no, it's not the first one. It's issued before. There's, there's a, there's a, Deonotion Queen that shows up. That suggests there are geonotions still there.

And apparently in this Vader comic, there's a mechanical geonotion queen who's making droids down on Geonosis. So Pablo's like, yeah, keep watching to find out what happens. So. But anyway. Pablo's not going to do the Vader comic dirty like that. Yeah, exactly. He's not going to say, like, well, that's all about canon now. Yeah, I, you know, I hate that it's not.

really the guard or the I never even thought yeah how would you the dark side cave wasn't Yoda I don't believe that for a second Yoda looks at Luke sadly because he because he knows the kid doesn't know shit

yeah and it's like your lightsaber you won't need it and Luke's like nah I'm to go fight the dark side but like I don't think like it always felt like the specifics of what the cave is going to show you. This is the force talking to people.

Now Yoda's the conduit for the fucking force. I hate this. It sucks. And we can just discard it. It's not in the text. I'm happy to discard it. I don't care. It's just I so much rather, and again, I like Sith ghosts. And we know this guy

isn't even Sith, really. He's a dark Jedi. The Grand Inquisitor was a Jedi. He fell to the dark side. Presumably some of these other inquisitors are also coming that way. Why not have Yoda reach out and grab his consciousness. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with Yoda gluing him to the world in some way, you know, connecting him to that temple or something. I'm fine with that. But I don't want it to be

Yoda. It's way cooler to me if it's the Grand Inquisitor being like, Canaan, I've walked down this path before I fucked up. Let me knight you. I can do that because I'm a Jedi knight or a Jedi master before this all went bad. Like I have that authority. I'm using that authority is this last, and I'm going to hold off my, my apprentices is the last good act that I can give you before all this falls apart. That's sick. So that's how I'm not so much more impactful. It like it gives it. Yeah. It grounds it and like otherwise it just feels like well, what does it matter that he was a temple guard? If it's just a vessel for Yoda, I was like, oh, this guy is relevant because Ezra and

Canaan have fought him before, and he was a Jedi. Like, just the whole, his whole presentation of everything feels so personal to him and to the Grand Inquisitor's kind of journey and then fall. But, yeah, I reject, I renounce, no, boo, no, I do not accept this interpretation that Yoda orchestrated all three of these. Osoka was meditating with the 101 Lightsever, like she has the connection No, no, no, no, no. I'm not accepting it.

Agreed. Nope. Rejected. Good episode. You know what I do accept is Chopper getting a husband. This is my favorite episode of Rebels we have ever watched. This is the best episode of Rebels we have watched so far. I loved this episode

It was so good I was smiling The whole time that I was so sad Yeah It was so good Chopper episode 10 out of 10 Must watch It's going bold

Large Extra large font on the watch list For Rebels for us We have to do a watch list after that Wow fun Not after this but eventually There's so much as good about this episode And I have to apologize

To Chopper because we have said we spent so much airtime this season being like another bad Sabine episode or like well finally we got a Zeb episode or like oh you know this Zeb episode we've never been like when's the next chopper episode true and that's on us you know i apologize for that i apologize for i don't know i feel like chopper's one of the session musicians that's like on on every good recording and you're always like man that's just another that's just another bang and chopper banger yeah yeah Uh, so the, the nutshell version, uh, we have some, we have some hijinks at the start as the rebels go on a heist on like a trade planet, but chopper is not invited along with them. Uh, he's got a stand guard on the ship, but in an odd, like, Wallace and Gromedy touch almost from a distance he spies a perfect match for his chassis. It is the leg that should go in his socket, replacing the mismatched leg.

And so he just wants to go buy a replacement leg. But he's got no money. And as he goes and tries to find a way to get hold of that leg, hijinks ensue, he misses his ride, the rebels flee, he's chased by stormtroopers. He dives aboard a giant imperial cargo ship. Which is very cool. And he is discovered by a lanky, a lanky, like, intelligence droid wearing a restraining bolt, AP5, who we clock early is really running that ship. And he's being overseen by a dipshit, you know, third rate imperial captain. Doing a Jesse Ventura accent?

I was wondering what was going on there. I don't know. That's what that voice is. It's just a Ventura. The model, too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. totally and ap5 is like i really need to report you but then chopper starts chatting them up

and they got a few things in common they're both veterans of the clone wars uh ap the ryloth the ryloth battle specifically and so the episode turns into chopper liberating apc5 throwing off the shackles of service to let's face it a shitty boss more than the empire yeah and then one of you watching that fucking guy over and over again choppers got hands yeah like we've seen r2d2 fight people before but not like this he keeps going it's not like a one-hit chaos situation it's only gadgets he has a gadget but he's mostly like i'm gonna beat you up with my body with my leg with my leg with my arms with my spin attack.

It's like one of those like chopper will be like, I'm going to slap the shit out of you. And you'll be like, ha ha, like sure you are. And it's like no, but he means it. He means it. Like you don't, you think you know what like it means to get the slap shit out of you. You don't. You don't. Like he's going to be like, it's like getting hit by a hurricane.

Um, anyway. So they take over the ship. The rebels, the rebels are also like still about to do an emergency jump to try to find the new base as they come under attack. They get in contact with Chopper, and AP5 realizes they're about to jump into a trap. And so they have to navigate to a different location, but in that whole delay, that captain who, you know, rebels, we just need to start killing people when they're down. Like, that's really the lesson here is sometimes, you don't have the luxury of prisoners, maybe saw Guerrera's on to something. We don't need to be like so freaked out when we hear like, he killed an entire patrol of Imperials.

How could he do such a thing? I don't know. This seems like a good example. What happens when you don't? But either way, AP5 gets shot. No. And, you know, the rebels jump to safety. But don't worry.

We can rebuild him. Using the leg parts. Chopper gives up the leg that he wanted this whole time to repair his new husband. Chopper is capable of love. Not because, not that he wouldn't be capable of love because he's a droid, but because he's chopper and seems like just like a... Yeah, cantankerous old man.

Yes, exactly. But... Or dog, depending on your perspective, apparently. Yeah. He, this was one of, this was one of my favorite episodes. I was laughing out loud constantly. And I felt like it was a good, a droid rights episode. It was a decent droid rights episode.

A droid was liberated. their straining bolt off fee yeah and um yeah and they're working stiffs right like they got they got jobs and they're proud of them and they're getting you know what it is it's like i used to have a job and was a damn good employee and now we're being treated like slaves and that's that's that's kind of the like ap ap 855 is like no no no no wait a second wait a second wait a second uh this is this ain't how it's supposed to be. I was I was I was built to be better at this than you all were and has to has to sort that out bits I love as chopper is fighting with the Ugnot merchant over basically him not have money for the leg the rebels heist going bad in the background like I'm a sucker

for this gig this visual gag will get me pretty much every time if it's done with any sort of flare is foreground characters while wild shit is happening in the background every time. This is one of my favorite, like, it feels just like people fucking around jokes in the very beginning. Chopper sees the leg at the Agnott's shop across the way, and he's like, Ezra, look, and Ezra's like, okay, we can't deal with this right now. Then he tries to grab Hera and tries to point Hera, like, look, there's the leg. Like, I want to go by the leg. And Hera's like, Chopper, we're not here to shop. And Zeb walking by goes, uh, shop, shopper, and laughs his own joke. And he's,

This joke is what if it's in a chopper, shopper, which is just like, it's so changes the group chat name to shopper, you know? Like, it's so funny. It's such a real-ass friend group joke. It's perfect. It's so good. Chopper just like me, for real. Chopper be shopping. Allie, I'm getting the impression you were not as high on this episode.

I just want to say, it was a great episode. I like AP5, I had fun, this was fun. But it felt a little bit like we were back in the Clone Wars and like the episode order got out of, like, order. And like, I should be reading a list where it's like, you should watch shadows of whatever, the episode you were just talking about after these next two episodes because it was like, let's point the Jedi at their final mission to Malacor

and then have two very like, like nonsense kids episodes and then have a two-part finale. I think that's... And I didn't love that vibe too much. I mean, I think that that's part of the... I think that that vibe is because it's a kid show, which is like we can't do three heavy episodes in a row. That's the vibe.

It's like Disney X-D was like, you've got to mix in some hijinks episodes. Narratively, they connect them because the end of this is that Chopper leads to the... them to their new base. Right. And then the next episode is the, you know, whatever, the lead into them going off in the two-parter mission.

But I do get what you mean. It is a weird pivot from a plot big episode, for sure. I thought those are fine. I just have nothing to say about it because it's like AP5 is good. Stephen Stanton plays AP5 and is good. This is the guy who played... He's doing his best Alan Rickman. Yes.

And this is him. This is the guy who played Tarkin in Clone Wars and also Meebrose. Gascon from the droid arc The little frog guy That's him who's now And this is better I hear it This is better

This is much better I like that the Ugnot says That droid with the orange crop top stole a leg for me I've lost my mind Is Chopper wearing a crop top I guess that's what we think about that as I guess It's a crop top What do we think about Ketsu Onyo coming back

At the end of this episode randomly for 30 seconds I'm guessing she's I missed her Wait what So I didn't understand What she was doing there At the start of the next one She missed her completely

She just like is in the ship Yeah she shows up in her ship To save the day briefly In the big space fight But she's already But she had already She was in the ship Like discussing with them

At one point didn't she No because we don't Before Oh at the beginning of the episode No I don't think so At the beginning of the next episode She's there discussing strategy with that

He shows up as a surprise save while they're like under attack waiting for the new coordinates. Man, they got nothing to do. No, they know nothing to do with that character. Guess what? We're not going to see her again until the second to last episode of this show. What? Yeah, I broke and was like, well, how much do we see her? We see way more AP5 in this show that we see Ketsuonia.

Thank God. Really? Way more AP5. Yeah. He's important. He's a great member of the team. I'm just angry to fucked up casting Gina Torres. It's wild.

I think she's in this episode because of a contract thing that said she had to be in two episodes this season or something. You know what I mean? Like, because I don't understand. I don't understand why she shows up here if she's not going to be. I, and I'm sorry that I've spoiled this. I tend not to do that. No, it's good to know. But I just like, I have to be, oh, are we going to get more of her?

And like, no, she's in Blood Sisters. She's in this episode The Forgotten Droid. Art of her shows up one more time and then she's in like the final two episodes. So. I was certain that she was going to be like a regular member of the group. They don't know what the fuck to do. It's killing me. AP5 is around.

So yet another. They're like, we need another. We can fix the game. Just get her good foil. Oh, no. Just nothing. Nothing bounces off. Just, just.

Yeah. I mean. See how they fix it. But Ketsu's not how they got there. Team drafts. I'm taking AP5. for Tetsu if I have Sabine already. Right, right.

Ketsu doesn't add anything that Sabine doesn't already have. True. Whereas 85 has all this imperial knowledge, sassy guy. Sassy guy. You know. A war hero, another Clone Wars vet. Oh, I hope we get him talking to Rex. Because they were both at that battle.

Yeah. They should talk about it. Also, he looks like Tom from Tsunami. So, that's a plus. They should have gotten Stephen Bloom to voice him. And just haven't be Tom from Chinami. That would be incredible. I love the way he says, there's no way out of the cargo bay.

It's latched into my head. It's good. Yeah, good read. He's great. I really like him. And I think he has a valuable role to play in the team. He was a Republic military strategist. Imperial Navigator or whatever.

Logistics, an inventory. He knows shit. He knows. knows a lot. We find out how Chopper and Hara, how Chopper became of the crew, his Y wing was shot down and Hara rescued him and then, you know. We get that great line of him of AP5 calling in because Chopper's fighting the guy. And he's like, I'm here to tell you the coordinates or whatever. And Hara is like, who are you? He's like, I am Chopper's friend. And she's like, Chopper doesn't have friends.

He's like, yes, he does. I'm helping Chopper, like, the way someone helped him on Ryloth after his Y-Wing got shut down. It's cute. It's very sweet. I love that. Little bits, I just find so enticing. AP5 saying I was the best navigator in my class.

Yeah. Whoa. Uh-huh. He went to school. Droid's going to school for additional training beyond programming. Do you think there was a class with other droids? You think it was a class with droids and other organic life? You know what I sometimes think about is the fact that in New Hope, what her the bartender is like we don't serve their kind here.

Yeah. As if they're... Implicating that droids just roll up sometimes, though, and are like, what do you got? Yeah. Like, it's all, like to a degree in parts of the universe, it's just common to see droids. I mean, even in this episode, the sales guy was like, you know, he asks where Chopper's owner is. And Chopper responds. And the guy goes, independent, a droid, you mean you're broke.

And like, okay, so there is a vague idea that if Chopin had money, he could have made this purchase. And maybe there would be a little bit of like a hand waviness from the shop owner thinking, oh, he's just acting on behalf of his owner who isn't here. But it does open the door a little bit, you know. And we should get there in the sequel stuff. We should. And whatever is going on forward, you know, is Ubisoft. that's coming out. I really hope that that battle droid is like his own guy who's teamed up with the main character and isn't like her droid, you know? I hope so too. That'd be fun.

That reminds me of one other morsel of fun information was when the shop owner, I think, I guess the implication is that Chopper offered him credits and he goes credits. What do I look like a senator and, you know, I'm curious what the currency is. Yeah. Yeah, they're no good here. That's, it's a fun, fun bit. I like, you know, people trading in other currencies and stuff. It's failing states all the way down.

Another. Yeah, another real, imperial, sorry, Imperial. Phantom Menace, episode one, reaction. Ali, I don't know if this hit for you. I think it did because I think you and I were laughing every time it happened in the theater. But Quigon is, like, really not. there to save the slaves. The way he hits that again and again is wild.

That movie understands that the Jedi are fucking up. It understands that the Jedi are like, Anakin is like, are you here to save us? And he says no. No. He doesn't try to dress us up. He doesn't say like, well, maybe one day things did it do, da, da, da, or our situation makes it impossible for him.

He says, no, we were fucking not here to free the slave. Do not get it twisted little Skywalker. I will need a drop of your blood though. It's wild. Oh my God. I can't wait to rewatch it tomorrow. It's good. It's really good. It's a shame that Quagon was cut down

before he could get like great scenes between him and Anakin later like, oh, we're back to this, huh? Mm-hmm. Okay. Again. Again with the slaves of tattooing thing. Well, maybe the, since the conversation didn't stick the first six times we had it. Hit me up. Hit me up again, Anakin.

Maybe the seventh time is the charm. Tell me, why do we have to go free the slaves? I'll note again in Earthsea in that third book, GED refuses to free some slaves and says it's not their place as wizards. There's a lot of GED in Quigon Jin now that I think about it. That's interesting. Yeah. I could see that.

I can see that. Anyway. Any other, what else happens in this episode? I like when he says free will sounds nice. Free will sounds nice. Free will. And he shows he has it already because he immediately lies to the guy

even with the restraining bolt on, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's finding ways to like circumvent the margins of control there. And like, yeah, just little details like he lost his like owner effectively during the war that like he did have

like presumably some sort of like biological like soldiers. or he was fighting alongside who didn't make it. And once those, once those connections are caught, you're just a droid. And that's kind of the, that's kind of the awful lot that's implied here as well, which is like,

droids are individualized insofar as they find people who are willing to, like, respect their individuality and, like, take note of it. Yeah. And if that ceases to, if that condition ceases to attain,

suddenly you're just a hunk of metal that is a useful tool for the universe at large. Now, whether this is something that particularly changed after the Clone War is interesting too, because like kind of feels like, you know, AP5 came up in a different system of like, you know, here's how, here's what droids are, here's how, you know, they live and work alongside us. And suddenly we're in the much more familiar territory of, you're just a server. Yeah Yep Bad, bad pool

To be a droid Unfortunately in this world I was really worried They killed him I was so scared Did you introduce Chopper's best friend And just frag him Like immediately

I thought that that was what was gonna happen And I was like literally I'm done watching the show I'm done I don't care anymore I If AP5 is not in it I'm not in it Damn.

If AP 5 has one fan, it's me. I'm him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, great episode. Yeah, I don't know that we have to say to you. I don't think we have to spend too much more time on it. It's fun.

Music, just some fun music. Always here for a cool new spaceship. I love the giant cargo container ship. It's like kind of eerie the way the Nostromo is eerie. Yeah. It is enormous. Like when it pulls away from the doc, you didn't even realize. realize it was a ship that was basically blotting out the sun like you thought there's like this

huge building on those docks it's a spaceship and it's the ship so weird like isosceles or i don't know scaling like pyramid like uh kind of like an asymmetrical pyramid shape right it's not it is asymmetrical um and then the front of it is just like one of the sides the flat side of it is just cargo containers just shipping containers one after another until it's like a big long like rectangular block of them it's great really cool looking cool ship yeah yeah big big fan and I'm glad they didn't pull the trigger on killing this character right away and they get they get to a new place they get to their new base chopper base I guess is what they're calling it they're calling it chopper base seeing these episode names I was like oh the mystery

of chopper base this is where we're going to find out the secrets of chopper no No, it's called Chopper Base because he found it, right? I think that's right, yeah, which is funny, but it's not what I thought. Technically, he didn't find it. Technically, it should be the AP5. It should be the AP5 base. You're right. And a better name for a base, IMO. You don't like Chopper Base? Not really.

Damn. I don't know, it kind of sounds good over the radio, though, right? This is, this is, this is ghost leader to Chopper Base. Yeah. Now I'm in, now I'm, now I'm, now I'm here for it. Echo base on Hoth is named for a droid? Like, E-C-H-0? Well, you know, given that they decided

Rogue Squadron was a tribute to Jin Erso, Rev. Teenage Luke Skywalker being like, you know, it would be an awesome name. Wedge, you know, it would be an awesome name for our squadron. Rogue Squadron, because we're roguish. You know, we're rogues. You know, no more Red Squadron, no more Yellow Squadron.

Rogue Squadron. And now it's like Hey, Jenner or so Gone for not Gone but not forgotten This is this one for you Yeah Yeah

Anyway So yeah We're gonna find out who Echo was Unfortunately All right So mystery This is the one I don't have much to say about But I'm

Austin mentioned I have one thing to talk about But that's kind of it Yeah This is like the The creature feature Genre of Clone Wars and Rebels episodes They get set up on this, on this planet with, like, giant mushrooms.

Like the bigger mushrooms. They're almost like, they're like mushrooms or like, um, uh, they talk about it in the philode zone as being like dried out coral. This place was like, maybe an ocean planet once. And now it's all dry. And that's also why the creatures are kind of weird. Not, you'll get there. You'll describe them.

But yeah. Uh, so they're, they're setting up their base. There's a lot of tension though among the ghosts. because Cain and Ezra are about to light out for, you know, Jedi business. And the conversation has not happened. And Hara is increasingly tense and angry over the situation. And there's just a sort of a disconnect happening. And she sort of wants to skip to the part where she's just learning to move on.

Yeah. So that has a tension in the background of this. But the thing, the action really kicks off when they go to, you know, do what you always do with a rebel base, set out your sensors all around the base you can see anything coming and one of our red shirts for the week

is no sooner checks in after laying in the sensor than a giant thing gets her and they got to investigate next thing you know bada bang bada boom

big fight in spider tunnels that remind me a lot of genosis tunnels it's that arc again or it's that fighting. We're just shooting a lot of bugs. A lot of bugs are just getting shot. In the eye, in a way that's kind of gruesome.

It's pretty brutal. Because they got googly eyes. The monsters have little weird, cute googly eyes. And they're just like, shoot them straight through the eye and just drop them. It's wild. That's why Ezra can't connect with them because they can't be, like, they're, like, being identified as not pets, basically. I don't think that's even. Why?

Oh, you have something. You don't think, you don't think Ezra's like these aren't cream churs? I mean, so the thing that gets said in the phony zone is that, one, they wanted to show that it doesn't always work. Two, and this part's, I think, actually really interesting, is they're from part of the galaxy and the world more broadly, like the cosmology, that Ezra doesn't, isn't familiar with. Ezra is like from, no, they're not that. Well, I don't know. So they're part, they are, he's like a modern dude. He's from Lothal.

He understands Lothcats. He understands creatures from the like, the places that abut civilization, wilderness places, but like, beings of the galaxy. This is a, this is on the edge of wild space, this place. And these creatures are not, the quote that Pablo says is, it's not that they're evil. It's just in their nature. it's just what they are. There are some creatures that aren't, and this is not Pablo quoting, this is me summarizing him and Thelonie and Gilroy, there are some creatures in the world that are resistant to

the force or to the light side of the force in this way. And the thing it recalled to me was that there are, I mean, one, obviously there are aliens that can resist the force, like some huts and like, what's Wado's species again? Tadarian. Tadarian, King Tachunka and all that. But I was like this whole time These feel like Sith-coded creatures These feel like

Maybe like evil But like naturally dark side And at the end of this fucking episode There's this creature He's looking up He realizes he can't connect to the squid spider He's looking up in the sky And there is a green bird in the air

And I thought it was the daughter's griffin I was like holy shit Do you remember the griffin from the daughter From Mortis And I was like Holy shit, is that the daughter is Griffin. And it isn't. It's an owl.

But she 100% has the color scheme of the fucking daughter from Mortis. And I am so, I am, if it is a daughter connect. And I think that it is a light side creatures, neutral creatures, dark side creatures thing happening here. It also ended with the imperial theme. I know. as he's like as he's looking at the creatures like walking away i kind of they're like bone colored they look like the inquit the grand inquisitor kind of color scheme they have the palpatine they are bone shade white right whereas the the owl is this green and yellow that we that i

associate with the daughter i really thought it was higher up and was the griffin truly you've no idea i yelled i was like no so anyway Natalie what were you saying about their I just I really thought that like oh yeah the reason why he can't connect with them is they're like darksided creatures like being back on mortis with the like the dark sided animals versus the light sided animals I was like is are we on a dark sided planet like is this planet have dark side force energy somehow um which but but then it what's the point of them being scared of the the of the sensors. Yeah. I was waiting for that connection. I was waiting for Ezra to like either connect with them or observe them in a way that's like, oh, they don't like the sensors because da-da-da-da-da.

And like maybe there's a way we can make this our harmonious base with the ecology that's already here. Right, right. And no, it's like we and Hera's whole thing throughout this is like, I'm going to make this fucking base work no matter what. I am not leaving. And there's other reasons for that, obviously. Yes, yes.

But the fact that... It's hard to go through a breakup. You know, you don't want to move into a new apartment, go and go through a breakup, then have to move again immediately. No. TP5 is her and chopper? Is this still about the base? AP5, please, Rob.

Yeah. Poilet paper five different. But yeah, no, she, like, there's like this forcefulness to everyone. being here on this planet, that it's so at odds with the planet itself, which just feels in, it feels unconventional for a Star Wars episode where usually there's, you know, we're trying to find some harmony, trying to find some coat. They learn that these spiders don't, that these spiders can't get near the sensors that they've deployed. And they build a wall of the sensors.

And like, we don't see rebels building walls in this way. especially walls of, like, big spiky things you put in the ground that emanate some sort of signal that natural creatures don't like. There's something, again, there's something I kind of wish Yoda had touched on in terms of Ezra's relations to the natural world in some way. If we're going to continue having this as an ongoing thematic, there's something fun about the idea that, like, oh, the rebels have made their base and what do they do? They start putting up spiky walls. That's, like, not literally, but figuratively, they keep out the natural world. And maybe part of the problem is the natural world is not always, you know, good for people. And they have to balance their ecological concerns with fundamentally we need a place to rest and recover so we can fight an empire that would sandblast this whole place if they knew about it.

Because fuck it. What can we get from here? You know, I think there's fun stuff there. But, yeah, interesting to see that that's what's happened here. But I wish we'd leaned, we started lean even harder into it. And we had the old sage, you know, to talk about it in that way, last effort or two episodes ago now, you know. Yeah.

Yeah, it really feels like they could have just left it at it doesn't work all the time. Like I'd rather see this have to be like a thing that Ezra has to develop. Yeah. And like learn new skills for. Yeah. Or things like that. Rather than just like, oh, there's an animal in this episode. Aser's going to talk to it.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Or try to. Unless it's evil. Unless it's evil. This is an evil animal.

And it doesn't do the thing the last time. Remember, in the first season, he had that creature that was like the, whatever the, like, mother of that den of creatures was. And it was like too dark-sided for him. It almost overwhelmed him. That doesn't happen here. It just, he just can't connect to it. This is one of the weirdest part. Like, it consistently bugs me in Star Wars.

And that, like, I'm someone who, like, in general, like, every time we read about the history of, like, eradication of the species and all that. And like some animals are sort of labeled, like, you know, evil or hostile. And then, you know, we like, like, for instance, like, you can only reintroduce wolves only so, so much. Because the minute they start having a viable population, like ranchers in the West will be like, yeah, like, no. Like, I lost one, I lost a single head of cattle, ergo time to eradicate a pack of wolves. Awful stuff. Yeah. Star Wars, you would think, just everything about its whole vibe and the whole Jedi, like, you know, all things.

the force binds all things. Star Wars consistently is like, monsters are real. Most animals, if there's an animal in this, it's going to be a monster. We're going to fight it. And it's going to be a cool monster, and it's like fighting a dinosaur.

But the thing you don't ever have to think about is that that is an animal that doesn't know of evil or good. It's just obeying its nature. And in Star Wars, consistently, it is like, oh, we just got to take these things out. Great dragons, these, yeah, the, whatever, the Mandalorian creature. The Mandalians, like, killing those birds on the planet, which was like, you assholes set up your camp.

Yeah. Next to the lake that the birds hunt at. And then you're like, you set your little toddlers loose by the lake. And it's like, I don't know, man. I feel bad when someone's little dog gets carried off by like a bird of prey. But at the same time, like, that's a you problem. That's a you. Not a bird.

Same with that bird. But Star Wars is consistently like we had a. kill these things. And, you know, in that, that it follows fantasy literature in a lot of ways or a certain type of fantasy literature. But it is like always jarring because on the one hand, like we've had now multiple episodes this season where it's like, hey guys, I just connect with these animals. And like, I'm like, I'm a little over cleft. Like, I'm just like, you won't believe what these creatures taught me just now. And here it's like, we got to go into the tunnel. It's Starship Troopers.

We're straight Starship Troopers. I was like, this is a Hell Divers episode. You'll shoot him in the eye. You got to, and like, I think that's the thing that's fascinating is this is a show that will show Sabine shoot a blaster bolt through the eye of this creature. You will see the, like, you can see the impact. It's gross. She couldn't do that to a human character. That would be too far.

But it's also a show where, where Ezra can connect to creatures and say that they have a spiritual, you know, we're four episodes away from Ezra to connected to those whales. where it was like wow they invented light space travel they expanded hyper jumping that's them like they have a culture a sense of community they have love now obviously he can't do it to these ones and that sort of makes it okay

just murder them take their territory or whatever you know and they do a lot to try to make them seem villainous right they're these big again bone white creatures they're ugly they have six insectoid legs they have these like huge squid like beaks and

mandibles on their sides. They eat these cute little snail creatures. There's all this like set up to be like, well, fuck them. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Every time he tries to connect with them, they start screaming his face. Right.

Totally. But normally, in a normal one of these arcs, it would felt like, or episodes, it feels like we would have learned to, one of you mentioned this before. Something about them. Yeah. It was Natalie. You were saying that like, there's a, oh, they were corrupt by an imperial, corrupted by an imperial or Sith experiment.

And now they're traumatized and they can't connect to people. anymore that does not happen here they are just like this they are just like this um and but but there's a direction i think this could been really interesting if we are actually having it be a metaphor about how you confront evil and like how you resist it right like and i think they kind of fumble this a bit too which is like i could see a version of this episode work where the culmination is like listen sometimes like you can't say you you can't reach with somebody you can't negotiate with them you cannot find you cannot find coexistence and like as well there's just limits it's not that that animal

doesn't like you're not connecting to that animal it's that fundamentally you and it are hostile and it understands that and you need to if he gets there that's interesting because the entire thing can become about a can become about the nature of like confronting endemic conflict and the limits of the Jedi's hole, like, well, we will just, you know, we'll meditate on it. We will connect. We will reach out. We won't. We won't lash out.

But we don't do that either, exactly. It ends up in this kind of unsatisfying place where it's like, I don't know, some animals he can't talk to. And I think maybe the metaphor would have worked a little bit better had we not just had an entire helldivers adventure down there. Where it's like, we got to kill all these things. They, like, spiderwebbed your entire ship. People are getting dragged off. And then our discovery, by the way, the discovery is that the rebels unintentionally started it. These things weren't fucking up their base until they installed the sensors.

Well, no, they weren't fucking up their base because they already had centers around the base. So that's why they had it. So once they left the base and went further out to deploy. way more sensors, that's how they started encountering them. But because they immediately set up sensors when they started the base, I mean, all of this is, it's

such a confused messaging off the back of the Yoda episode. Because Yoda was just saying you can't fight. You can't fight evil. You can't fight the dark, like you can't fight, don't fight. And so I, like,

when caring, don't fight, don't, and I'm like seeing as, or trying to reach out to them, trying to reach out to them. And yet all that's happening is like continuous fighting. It just feels so confused. It's like what is the takeaway from this episode? I really don't know. It feels, I mean, I think the Hara-Kan and stuff is more the point.

And perhaps the rest of this is kind of, or maybe, yeah, to show us that Ezra is not always going to be able to connect with the animals around him. okay it just it it it's such a confused through line of of perspective from the Yoda episode being like you like don't try and fight evil I don't know yeah I don't know maybe we'll see more I mean the base stays here they don't retreat so maybe we'll get more more spider I hope spider stuff in the future i don't know it really feels like filler and it really feels like if they wanted to highlight the the like hera canaan anxiety stuff like they're there's so many other missions that they could have done this that's the good stuff in this in this thing that

yeah they should have spent they should have found a different mission that could have really highlighted that there's that one moment where they're like okay uh canaan's like all right Ezra, you go with Hera and Dena. And, and Hera's like, no, Canaan and Ezra, you go over there. Zeb and Sabine, you come with me. And Sabin's like, why did you do that? We should have a shouldn't move a Jedi on each team? Or maybe Zeb says it. And Hera's like, we should get used to not having them around, basically. I think that that stuff basically works. I just wish there was more, I wish it was more focused because the feeling of like, hey, these, they have to, I mean, it partly doesn't work because we know that it's a TV show where they're going to get back to the crew at the beginning of the next season problem.

Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this ends up being a big gap and they don't all get back together right away, right? But it feels like they're about to go off and do a mission together. And they do that all the time. Like, Harrow went off and did the B-wing mission at the beginning of the season. And it wasn't like, Canaan was like, I can't believe you. You have to leave us to go do this B-wing mission. Like, they're selling it like, this is a big deal. It's going to take some time away. Like, it feels like they're going on break. You know what I mean? It feels like, Kainan's about to, like, go to university, go to school, and like, well, we should probably break up before you go away to school. We should probably break up before you go away on this mission.

I feel like it's more like, you know, we've seen Hera so enthusiastic about being part of the rebels and like her unenvolvement in Canaan stuff seems like something she didn't anticipate and now she's like oh my god I can't go with you she does say that towards the end which also I don't get why she can't go with them well it does feel like yeah does she offer because she is she is she says the thing at the end of this episode is she says like I thought I would the thing that you have to go

in front, I thought we would go confront together. It feels like she's not invited. And she isn't. Yeah, there's a bit of that. It's like it's Jedi business. Yeah. But also she went, she with both hands grabbed on to rebel business. Like she is, she is Phoenix leader.

And I think there's a bit of, like, I think, I was on to something, which is the tension at the start of this is she's like, don't you understand something bigger here? We can't just be the crew of the ghost anymore. we have to, like, sign up with the rebellion. And Canaan doesn't want to do it, but he gets in there. The unforeseen consequences that Ezra being there has basically meant, like, hey, like, your boyfriend's a Jedi. And there's going to be, like, this is the other part,

is all that stuff's been backburner the entire time and, like, flying together. And now there's Ezra. There's Inquisitors. And now there's Jedi business in a way there hasn't been before. And I feel like in the past, like the tension here is in the past, they would have confronted whatever emergency that they were facing together. But they've adopted different roles. He's adopted the role of like Jedi master to a kid and she's adopted the role of like commander. That works on paper, but like three episodes ago, they left and went to the Jedi Temple on Lothal and it wasn't a thing.

You know what I mean? Like they've gone and done Jedi business a bunch this season. No, but that's all in the context. of we can't shake the every time, everywhere we go now the Inquisitors are showing up fast. I get it, but I don't understand why this is like, we're going to go confront the Inquisitors and fucking deal with them.

That still feels within the realm of the type of shit that they go and do. Well, but no, because we, I mean, there's also like the increased training that Ezra and Canaan are doing. There's this like air around what they're actually doing that, like, it is going to be dangerous. They might not come back.

They should say that on the screen because you're right. Part of what's happening is we might not, Hey, listen, we could die out there. She doesn't say, you could die. This might be the last time I see you. Play up the melodrama, if that's what it is. Instead, what she says is, I thought I was going to help you face this together. I thought you were going to go, I thought I'd be there as part of this.

And there's no, I get that she's Phoenix leader, but, like, she goes off and does dangerous shit constantly all the time. Dealing with the Inquisitors is an important part of this rebellion. Like, that's not part of the rebellion's mission. keeping these jet like part of what's happening here is like the Jedi have targets Ezra and Canada have targets on their backs right and the idea that like oh they can't be here until they go deal with the inquisitors because until they do that the inquisitors could find us and you know put up a mark on our base that to me feels like part of the rebels overall

mission the fact that they're kind of like saying well only we have to go do this alone isn't there's no reason being given for that outside of us vaguely things that thinking, well, maybe hair is too important to risk on that mission. But she's risking her life constantly. There's no real reason she and Zeb and Sabine couldn't come on this mission outside of some vague idea that it's Jedi business. I do agree there's a little bit of, in a lot of shows, you have the couple that's like end game. And like early on, it's like, well, no obstacles. Like just let's let's just wrap it up. Move there. And then it's like, We don't know what animates this dynamic beyond that.

So we are just going to contrive some reason that we can't be together. Don't you understand? How many shows have like this is almost the moment they jump the shark where it's like, don't you understand? I'm not ready for love. And like three more seasons go by. You know, and I think if this happened in the middle of the season and we knew that we were going to get a back end of the season where it was like, oh shit,

they're not going to be near each other for the next, for half of the season. But it doesn't feel like that's going to be the case. It feels like they're going to go off and do a two-parter. And like, that's not. Well, hang on. But this is a season ending two-parter. Things would get real weird in like, we don't know what's going to happen. Okay.

But I don't have faith that we bet by episode three next season, the ghost crew will not be back together. Maybe. Okay. I hope you're wrong. I would, yeah, maybe I'm wrong. I would love to be. wrong here. I would love for us not to just get back to a status quo right away. You know what it is? It's like they're selling this like breaking of the fellowship. You're right. A hundred percent,

but he doesn't need a two towers type experience to follow on this, but this is not a two tower show. In that, in that break, there's reason given why the hobbits have to carry the ring alone. We've seen what went wrong. They tried to carry it together and Boromir fucked up, right? And so it's like, we haven't seen Hera and Sabin and get in the way of Jedi business. We have I haven't seen that, like, oh, my God, it's too dangerous to bring Hara around the Inquisitors, right? Yeah. If we'd seen that, and that's part of them underselling the Inquisitors. We've talked about that being a problem, right?

There's something else, which is Canaan's convinced the Inquisitors are just tracking them because they're Jedi. Yeah. But they get bum coordinates for like, here's a safe base we can go to. And the minute that happened, I was like, oh, you've got a mole. Right. Like, the part of me that watches way too much espionage shit is like, no, no, no, you're going to have to all wrong. Like, this is a show where the ISB exists, all this stuff.

Like, this is not magical force, like, because if that were the case, Vader would just show up and end this every, like, at every turn. Yeah. Instead, it feels like someone is feeding information to the, to the Imperials from inside the Phoenix Squadron camp. And, like, that is the thing that, like, I, I kind of hope I'm right, but also I'm kind of annoyed that they haven't set it up better. Like, nobody's had the thought of, like, we have a spot.

what is going on? Why does everything keep turning the shit? And right now, Canaan's answer is like, well, probably because the Jedi are just like, we're broadcasting your location effectively.

But all these reservations aside, there are little moments I love like when we start out, we get the close up of Hera as Canaan comes to talk to her. And just the emotions, the flicker across her face as she like puts on her mask

when she turns around to face him like heartbreaking. And I swear to God in the last shot as they hug. We pull away. They're hugging as the sunset. And I think she starts crying because we see her little Laku Twitch and he holds her tighter. And I'm like, heartbreaking stuff. I wish you what she had said here was like, I'm afraid you're going to die. I'm afraid you're going to get hurt. I want to come with you. Or I wish again there had been a particular thing. The rebellion says I have to to go back to Ryloth, right? Some reason for them to have to split here. And they both agree that the reason is good and it's heartbreaking that they, I just, I like all this material of

their relationship coming into focus and her being sad, she can't go with him and, you know, her being being worried. I love all that. I think that it's like, it's what I wish more of the show had been. Go back to the first season, I was saying again, again, I think the thing I'm going to like the most here is the adult relationships in this show. I just don't understand why she can't go with him in this moment. And they need a character to say on screen why that is. And ideally, it's because she is needed somewhere in a particular way. She needs to train the troops.

She needs to go lead a mission somewhere else. Like she can't split herself in two. Right. Sabine's been kidnapped or, you know, someone's been, someone else has been kidnapped and we need to get them back. Chopper's been kidnapped and Chopper has data on where we are. We have to go get Chopper back. We got to split up, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. That would work really well. yeah and so we need time for spiders that's the real thing is this whole episode should have been about should have been a quiet and we skipped the most important thing actually didn't we yeah we skipped zeb we skipped zev oh my god giving us or his first beer giving us his first beer listening to metal listening to like you know space fucking rock this is so uncle

this is so uncle classic rock station on in the lawn chair where do you even get that camper I don't know. He's been waiting. He's been waiting to find somewhere to settle down and set it up. He was out that bunk bed. Watch on the sunset. He said, fuck the bump, fuck the bunk bed, I'm out. It's so good.

It's so good. Turns up the music, looking at the birds flying around. And I was so mad. I think they have what? No, I was just so mad when it was like, we got to go fight the spiders. And I'm like, no, these are the moments we need to hang in. We need to hang in in in canaan and hera and we need to hang with Zeb and Ezra sort of like saying their farewells as like That would have been great in this like blist out place. Yeah, you know for a brief moment. He knows this place in the universe right now and you're right

Is like does give him a beer. Yeah. He's out there sipping on the on the the the Miller high life and he hands it To to it. I don't know. I don't know that we see him. I don't know that we see him. I don't know that we see him. I don't know that we see him. sipping. He holds it for a minute. But we know. I think he takes a sip. But the fact that in this conversation between Zeb and Ezra, Ezra says what, like, this is the conversation in some ways that Canaan and Hera needed to have. Because Ezra says Zeb, like, I'm, I'm kind of scared. Like, I don't know when we'll be back or if we'll be back. And I, like, I, you know, I'm, you know, I'm worried about this. And Zeb is like, don't talk like that.

Like, that's bad luck to talk like that. We'll have, you know, beaten the empire by the time you're done. Like, don't even worry about it. And there's, like, this sort of confession of worry and then the sort of reassurance that Zeb offers, I feel like that's what's missing from Hera and Canaan. Like, they don't let their guards down enough. to get to the fear it's

I don't know they talk about the fear it's just the thing of yeah I don't know no yeah you're right the show still feels like it's being cagey about and it shouldn't be

is their relationship like I think because I think part of it is they're not even allowed to like sort of straight up say like hey like we're partners

right like this is like instead they're still kind of playing like, you know, they're, they're super tight, man. Like, Canaan and Ezra, like, they're just, like, super good friends. And, like, it's clear that- You mean, Canaan and Hera?

Sorry, yeah. But, yeah. But, yeah. But, I don't know, like, and that's not, and that's not being, like, you know, what the show needs is just some straight fucking. No, but, like, again, she has to say I was going to help with this mission, not, I love you and I'm worried about you. Not, I don't know what I do if you died. But I understand how important this is like she can't I thought we were building a future together like none of those conversations can't be You know

It makes it makes Canaan kind of look like glib asshole well. I mean last scene I mean like Sabine has to be like you should go talk to Hara It's not his finest moment like again, but you know that it was it was there when he was like I'm not in a I'm not in a crazy anymore Like here we're we're getting we're catching glimpses as if through like a stand of trees fuck boy canaan is out there you're not wrong he's probably

yeah he's like maybe he's making a comeback yeah you know we're like oh man like look at that he's stepping up as a dad he's a good husband but like you know you squeeze Canaan yeah it's like oh damn

there he is that's the Jedi in him he wants to run off to do adventure instead of you know maybe back maybe deep in his mind he's like I'm not allowed to have attachments I'm not allowed to have a girlfriend actually

I can't actually we can actually be official I'd appreciate if we just never put a label on this because if we put a label on it the Jedi order says no we can't we can't be boyfriend girlfriend we can't be oh but steady

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