Acquisitions Anonymous - #1 for business buying, selling and operating - Inside a $26M Industrial Inspection Device Company

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

A $12M revenue, $3.8M EBITDA “Project Lucid” branded inspection device distributor sparks heated debate on IP risk, exclusivity with its manufacturer, and the eyebrow-raising $5M liquid funds buyer requirement.Business Listing – https://www.caldergr.com/business-listing/306-project-lucid-branded-inspection-device-company/#inquireWelcome to Acquisitions Anonymous – the #1 podcast for small business M&A. Every week, we break down businesses for sale and talk about buying, operating, and growing them.💰 Sponsored by:Main Street Summit – Join 1,000+ business owners, operators, and entrepreneurs for three days of actionable content, intimate peer connections, and specialized tracks led by real-world practitioners. Bill is speaking this year, and he describes it as one of the highlights of his year. Don’t miss it—secure your spot now at https://www.mainstreetsummit.com/Acquisition Lab – Your fast-track to business ownership. Get hands-on support, world-class resources, and join a top-tier community of acquisition entrepreneurs. Schedule your free consultation at https://www.acquisitionlab.com and mention Acquisitions Anonymous!The host brings the group a Calder Capital deal: “Project Lucid,” a branded inspection device distributor serving aerospace, power generation, chemical, and automotive industries across North America. With $12M in revenue, $3.8M EBITDA (~33% margins), $2.3M of inventory, and only 15 employees, the company touts exclusive distribution rights with its manufacturing partner. The teaser claims growing momentum, including winning a major client from an entrenched competitor.Key Highlights:- $12M revenue, $3.8M EBITDA (~33% margins), $2.3M inventory, 15 employees.- Exclusive distribution rights with manufacturer; unclear IP ownership.- Customers in aerospace, power gen, chemical, automotive industries.- Broker requirement: $5M liquid funds to even see CIM.- Hosts predict 6–9x multiple; likely strategic or private equity buyer.Subscribe to weekly our Newsletter and get curated deals in your inboxAdvertise with us by clicking here Do you love Acquanon and want to see our smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel. Do you enjoy our content? Rate our show! Follow us on Twitter @acquanon Learnings about small business acquisitions and operations. For inquiries or suggestions, email us at [e-mail]

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Acquisitions Anonymous. This is the Internet's number one podcast on buying, selling, and operating small businesses. I am one of your hosts, Bill D'Alessandro, and today I'm with Mills Snell, Heather Anderson, and Chelsea Wood from Acquisition Lab. And we have a cool deal. It is $3.8 million of EBITDA. It is an industrial inspection device company. And this one, we all four like this deal. Lots to like about it.

It's got a big installed base, probably a durable business, probably going to trade for a high price. So without any further ado, I hope you enjoy this episode of Acquisitions Anonymous. Hello, another episode of Acquisition Anonymous. We don't have 100% beers anymore. And thumbs downing on just the plus inventory line. Hey everyone, it's Bill. And I want to tell you about an event that's honestly become one of the highlights in my year. And that's Main Street Summit in Columbia, Missouri.

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All right. Friday Acquisitions Anonymous. I always feel weird because it's Friday for us, but it's probably like Wednesday for the listener. People are like, uh, it's got that good Friday energy. I'm struggling to be awake, you know, and present. That's right. It's Friday, but it's 7.30 on the West Coast. Yes.

Yeah, I'm thinking about lunch right now. And Heather is still having her coffee. I'm still trying to get my coffee. Yeah. Yep. And we've got Chelsea from Acquisition Lab here today. Hey, Chelsea. Hello. Thanks for being here.

So Mills, I joined and Mills wasn't on yet. And there was all this hype because Mills has this deal that he wants to do. And I'm very excited for it. It's been like multiple recordings. I'm like, oh, let's do it. And then we find something else to do. This is all you, Mills. You have the floor.

And I mean, my goodness, I really hope this doesn't disappoint. But all right, this is a company. It's for sale with Calder Capital. We've talked about their deals from time to time. Calder, you're welcome to sponsor the podcast if you want to, and we'll get more deals from you. But this is, it's called Project Lucid. It's a branded inspection device company. And if you're on YouTube, there is a man standing in front of a giant turbine for like a jet engine.

The revenue is a little over $12 million. cash flow of $3.8 million, and the inventory value is listed at $2.3 million. It says, serving the industrial sector across North America, Lucid is a leading, branded inspection device company supplying video inspection devices used in the inspection, maintenance, and repair of critical machinery and equipment across a range of industries, including aerospace, power generation, chemical processing, and automotive. With exclusive distribution rights with its manufacturing partner, the company engages in continual product development to add products and features requested by its customers. The company's robust sales and marketing engine not only attracts and serves hundreds of industrial customers annually, but also provides a direct link between hands-on users and the R&D efforts supporting the product line.

This market includes premium vertically integrated players as well as resellers of lower-end products. Lucid separates itself from the competition by exclusively partnering with a leading manufacturer that invest heavily in R&D providing technology, technologically advanced products in a seamlessly branded environment. They offer a premium product at a lower cost than their traditional premium competitors. Companies positioned to scale as technological advancement has continued to narrow the gap between their products and the ingrained premium market players. Customers have begun to notice with one large, individual customer, a former customer of the competitor, making the switch in the last year. This momentum can drive repeat sales and new enterprise customer wins.

Day-to-day operations are run by a capable leader with minimal owner involvement. Ownership is seeking retirement and is open to a transition period post-close. A related entity holds the real estate, which ownership is flexible as to the sale or lease to new ownership. In bold, buyers will be required to have a minimum $5 million. in liquid funds to be considered for this opportunity. Y'all, I was getting in the shower this morning, and I was still thinking about this requirement. I can't wait to talk about this.

Thank you for reading this overview. The extent of the information that we are publicly permitted to reveal about this opportunity is contained in this overview, blah, blah, blah, blah, sign an NDA. There's 15 employees. They recently acquired a new office, which can accommodate their growing operations. They lease it from that related party entity.

And it's, says limited seller financing available. That's all the info we have on it. What do you guys think about Project Lucid? Oh, man. So it's 3.8 million of, they call it cash flow, but maybe it's EBITDA. I mean, the margins are amazing. It's got 30% margins, right?

Or 25% margins, right? No, 33% margins. 33% margins. I mean, on 12 million sales, 3.8 of EBITDA. And it seems like they've got a brand. They brand an inspection device company and probably their, it seems like their own technology, because it says that their technology is catching up with the incumbent. I tell you what, Calderette's a pretty good teaser because I like this one on the face. But it's a distributor of one brand from one manufacturer is what I think it is.

Okay, Heather. You're putting the wet blanket on it. I didn't say that was bad. No, you're right. You're right, though. So they aren't manufacturing it. They are. Are they not?

No, because they talk about having this manufacturing partner who probably contract manufactures it for them. I'm shocked, though. They talk about the competitor a lot, but they don't talk about any IP. They talk about their research and development, you know, arm, but there's no talk of a patent or, you know, anything other than just that their device is kind of starting to eat the big guys lunch. As a distributor, maybe they don't have the IP. That's my thought, is that they're just a, they're sort of a regional distributor. Maybe North American distributor. They say exclusive distribution rights with its manufacturing partner.

So maybe they're, they just are the North American distributor of this. But it also says the company engages in continual product development to add products and features requested by its customers. And then it says that they partner, they exclusively partner with a, leading manufacturer. Is that the same company? It's manufacturing partner? I think so. Okay. So they've got some, it sounds like the manufacturer has probably got some kind of IP around here. And this is the, and they're the go-to-market partner. So you like, think about this. This is a video inspection device. And it is, it is branded. There's, you know, DeWalt and Milwaukee and Hilty and all these power tool companies. They make. And what I'm picturing is like one of these like little scope type

cameras that you can, you know, stick the, the wand and the arm down into something to inspect it. And there's a little, you know, LED screen that shows you, you know, what's down in that area. I'm imagining this is probably more sophisticated than that. And it may be that, you know, probably a higher price point, but maybe there's some, you know, advantage or some kind of increased technical ability over and above just the kind of thing you can buy off the shelf at lows. I mean, what this could be, Mel's, like, this could be a, drone that inspects sewer pipes, you know, or this, this could be some sort of thing that goes inside the bore of a huge airplane engine or something. Like, you know, this could, this is likely,

I mean, if it's got $3.8 million Vibata and they talk about the aerospace, power generation, chemical processing and automotive industries, this is, I think this is not even close to what you buy at Home Depot. I think this is like some kind of big inspection thing that you need to fix your giant machinery or engine or something. Yeah. Which I love. I mean, that's fantastic. Like, maybe you, maybe like this is the way you inspect the middle part of a pump of a certain pump that is used in all these industries before you repair it.

Yeah. Chelsea, what do you think? That's where my brain went when I was talking about the industrial customers and the fact that he's standing in front of what appears to be a giant turbine. I like the, I like the, how core, I guess it is, right, how integral this kind of product would be. I was struggling the whole time I was reading and figuring out what exactly is this company that, like, right? Is it distribution? Is it that they've got this thing and they own the product or like, and so you guys went there automatically with the conversation. So that I was grateful as I was trying to figure that up myself. because it does say that they have exclusive distribution rights,

but I still am struggling with whether or not it's their product or the manufacturer's product, right? Are they the selling arm of the manufacturer or the manufacturer a partner that they use, that they have exclusive rights with? I just, anyway, it doesn't really matter. But I'm curious that there's IP involved because they say that they're investing in the R&D efforts so much. Like, who's investing the manufacturer? Because the, this, if it's, if it's literally there, the distributor, distributor arm of the manufacturing company, that's a little, like, shaky, right?

Like, because the majority of the values are with that, the actual manufacturer, right? And they make a different distributor. And then your entire company falls apart. Yeah. I mean, to me, there are basically two things that you really need to deal just this. understand here. Number one is what you said, Chelsea, which is the relationship between them and the manufacturer of the device. It sounds like their IP might be more in the brand of it, where the manufacturer's IP might be more in the technology of it, which maybe you need both, but I'd

kind of rather own the technology IP at the end of the day. But the other thing you really need a diligence is the durability of the application. So like, I'm just making this up, but say that This is a specific scope that is used on a certain type of turbine or whatever. And that type of turbine is widely deployed in all these industries, et cetera. But if the technology for that turbine advances and it becomes obsolete or different or something that you don't need to inspect it in this way anymore, your market also goes away overnight. So if you are inspecting a specific piece of technology, that technology has to be durable as well in order for your end market to be durable.

So I would want to diligence kind of how confident I would be that that's going to be around. I mean, there's probably an installed base and it's industrial and like, they're not going to get ripped out, but I would want to be confident in that. I mean, I like the deal in and of itself,

and I like Calder, so that helps. But I, and my brain automatically went to buy this one and then buy the manufacturer, right? Like, let's go track with it. My guess is that it's probably, it's probably that they have either some intellectual property that they don't talk about, or it's not something that is protectable. Like maybe they've found kind of a unique way, like if it's the drone example, right?

Maybe they've found a unique way to make like a drone that does something that others don't, but it's not really, it's not really patentable. You know, there's nothing other than just their brand, you know, and their trademark and their name that really is worth protecting. But my guess is that the person who's manufactured, it is one of many possible manufacturers, and they just contract manufacturer for them. I've seen this a lot. You want to go with the incumbent, right? Because they have the history and you don't want to upset the Apple cart and quality control and all those things. But if you needed to and you had the actual,

you know, you owned the intellectual property around it, or even if you just own, you know, the design, that you could take it to somebody else. I like that they said that that's the competitive advantage is that they partner with that person that's constantly staying up on trends. I do like distribution models because of the margins, but at the same time, distribution models can be really tricky from the cost, right? They're heavy from a cost perspective.

And this is not typically, I mean, distributor margins are not typically in the, you know, mid-30s, right? They're usually in like the mid-single digits. The inventory does at least kind of acknowledge that, yeah,

Um, maybe it's, you know, the kind of turnkey product or, or line of products and, and there's like just a handful of skews. The one thing I really like about this type of business is not only like, Bill, I think you mentioned the installed base. Let's just say there's, you know, 10,000 of these, these things, this inspection device out in the field. Any time it needs a part, they have to come back to you, at least unless it's just like some kind of random wiring or something, something that's more commoditized. But it, it is like a propelled. perpetual feeder for this business that people have to keep coming back to you for parts. And hopefully when you sign the NDA and you get the P&L, the P&L distinguishes between kind of product

sales and some other revenue category that would be like ongoing parts sales. I'm curious about the competition. They seem to say that theirs is the lower cost. They are the low cost option and they just won a big client away from these other like integrated players. So it sounds like maybe they're sort of unique. We just offer the inspection device, you know, and the alternative is a packaged product and service, you know, offering from some other players. That's, I think, what they're telling us is why they get such good margins, is they're only selling this one little piece. And because of what they do, they're able to

be the low-cost provider for that piece. But sounds like the customers are sticky. and hard to pull away from the competition, is my guess. Yeah, it sounds like the way they described it, Heather, it says the market includes premium vertically integrated players. I would assume that would be people who make the machines and the inspection devices and the parts and all that stuff. And then it also says resellers of low-end products, which I imagine would be like Chinese commoditized hardware,

sort of like DIY. And then they position this as sort of in the middle. It seems like that their technology is coming up the curve. They seem to have a partnership with one of the manufacturers, which maybe makes it quasi-vertically integrated. I don't know if they're forward-integrated also, like with the people who make the turbines or whatever it is we're inspecting here. But I wonder if that's sort of their pitch here is we're in the Goldilocks spot. You know, we're not the super premium option, but we're also not this cheap Chinese junk. Yeah, which I like.

You know, I think that's really interesting. So that part's great. Do we want to talk about the $5 million we need to even? Talk to them? What do you think, Mills? I mean, I understand the sentiment, right? That they want a qualified buyer who isn't, you know, cash strapped. But I've worked at lower middle market, private equity firms and done business with a lot of them.

There's tons, like, firms don't have $5 million cash on hand. They're going to, if they have a fund, which most people who are buying this business at almost $4 million in EBITDA are going to be deploying out of a fund, either that or a family office. Family office, absolutely. You know, they've got, they've got the cash on their balance sheet. But a fund is raising capital. So raise $300 million in a fund. And you only call that capital as you have deals available to deploy it. So at no time are you sitting with the $300 million in your bank account and going,

great, we're just looking for opportunities. Here's, you know, here's a picture of our checking account. So it makes me wonder if there is something kind of to this, right? If, is there something wrong with the business? Like, is there some kind of skeleton or like something around the corner that they're trying to prepare you for to say, hey, you're going to. going to need a bunch of cash. I don't know, but it's unrealistic. The majority of buyers, even private equity firms and independent sponsors, they're just not going to have $5 million

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wait to make your business ownership dream or reality. Visit AcquisitionLab.com today to learn more and schedule your free consultation. And when you do, be sure to tell them the Acquisitions anonymous podcast sent you. So Calder, we've done deals from before, and I think they're fairly sophisticated intermediary. My sense is what they're trying to telegraph is, hey, this thing's got $3.8 million of EBITDA. If it goes for seven times, that's $26 million. You're going to need to put $5 million of equity into this thing at a minimum. And I wonder if that's what they're trying to telegraph, like, don't think you're going to come in here with, you know, a million bucks of equity and lever the crap out of this because we expect a real multiple.

Like, this thing is not going for two times. You know, maybe that's what they're trying to telegraph. I buy that. And also, because they're sophisticated, like, if you show up and you're like, you know, hi, I'm Snell Capital and I have a, you know, $500 million committed fund, they're going to take you seriously, I would think. But it goes back to my pet peeves, one of my pet peeves, which. which is brokers lower middle market where we do SBA loans asking for proof of funds.

You know, what it comes down to is do you have the equity and can you get the financing? And that's a very different question than show me your bank account. And yeah. So they could have said this better, but I think you're right, Bill. They're probably just telegraphing that's about how much equity you're going to need, at least. I was just having this conversation with a lab member, right, that has to fill out the forms to get access to the CIMs and it's like, it's like, they're asking my net worth. The net worth is such a stupid number. Like, it's not like in the grand scheme of things, right? Like a proof of funding would just

is what you want to know. Like, anyway. I was going to say, Chelsea, because you'll deal with a mix of kind of first-time buyers and repeat buyers in the lab, you know, how do you coach them through that? Like, I feel like when I was, all I was doing was, you know, deal flow on the side, I just would blow it off and it would make me so mad. But, in order to get access deals, you kind of have to put up with some crazy stuff sometimes and ridiculous demands. correct and that's what's because like some of our members right we we work with pretty well capitalized humans and so some of their net worth is really high and it's like they don't want to disclose their full net worth to a broker and so we were literally having this exchange around like okay well what's

an acceptable level of net worth to disclose because i'm not telling them everything and i just think the whole metric is dumb because you could have it and have complete no liquidity and no access to any of it because it's net worth not actual like what what's your capability of buying this business? And so I wish that they would just get people to get approval letters, either from investors or from lenders, and that's what they asked for. Because this whole like show me snapshots of your bank account is such bullshit. I do think that, you know, this is a reasonable intermediary. If, you know, if you don't have $5 million, you know, liquid, then I think there's a way to navigate it. There are others,

especially like y'all are saying on kind of the more business broker main street side of things who they make up some crazy demands and one thing we haven't talked about all that much you know they talk about the india here but especially with main street brokers you'll get these crazy things that they try and slip into the indas like i've had instances where in the india they're trying to get you to commit to pay their fee if the seller doesn't pay it and just you know wild things where you're like this is not even the time or place to negotiate this and you're, you know, you're trying to slip it in.

I told one of my members, there's one brokerage where I am dying to put them on blast and like show their name and show their file because their NDA legally binds you to work with their lender, lawyer, and accountant. Whoa. No. Yikes. How on earth do you think that that is ethical? Yeah. And so when the member showed it to me,

I was just like, first I thought he was. misunderstanding something or like obviously that can't be true. And he shared it with me. And like, if that person's listening to this podcast, you're just not ethical. Like, just stop. It's just bizarre. But yeah, absolutely binds you. And so when this member wanted the deal that he was representing, the members like, absolutely not. I'm not using any of your people. And this is like not okay. And it caused a big uproar. And I was like, I kind of just want to blast this person out because it's absurd to think that you can do that. I have a new one.

We had a discussion on Twitter that some brokers are putting, you can't use chat GPT or AI. You can't put the SIM into an AI model. And we were discussing that because, I mean, good luck enforcing it. But, you know, there's the whole AI angle too. Because they don't want the information leaking into the model, right? Correct. Be used to train the model.

That's interesting. Yes. Right. Like you're disclosing it to. AI that can do whatever at once with it. Don't do that. When we were, I guess two years ago, I was working on developing software to help our members analyze deals. And that was something that I was, like I was going back and forth with the developers with because I wouldn't give them information because I was afraid of how it would be used, right? And we had this all back and forth thing about it and I just actually stopped developing software. But I get where they're coming from.

I think there are things that you can do within Chachupitie that you should be doing anyway. Anytime I'm talking about anything that I think is sensitive, I always put it in the forget model or whatever that's called temporary so that I know it's not going anywhere. So I think everybody should just in general, in human being a human, like be protective of your stuff. But I can see where they're coming from, but like it's completely unenforceable. And I don't know what to tell you as a human. Welcome to technology. Yep. So, I mean, this, I think we all agree.

Like, this is an interesting business. They, they obviously have, like, compelling revenue, compelling free cash flow. Bill, I think you alluded to it earlier. I think that the difficulty with this is that it's just going to trade for a really high multiple. It's going to, it's expensive. Yes. I mean, and it probably deserves. it. I mean, right? I mean, this, this is $3.8 million of EBIDA. It seems like they've got, you know,

something unique here. Then I was just flipping stuff from Alibaba on Amazon. You know, this is going to trade for high single digits, I would think. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. As a multiple of EBITDA, not millions. I mean, this is, this is going to be a six to nine times deal, I would think. I think, too, that there's probably a kind of a strategic edge here where the person who ends up getting this is not just a financial buyer. It's somebody who already has maybe a similar product line or, you know, they use it as a means of expanding their existing distribution. Because if, let's say you sell something that is similar and adjacent but not competitive to this, and all of a sudden you can automatically get in those like 10,000 doors, I think that's the person

who probably pays up for this. They don't say anything about like a lot of these distributors work with like, you know, a large sales team, a highly commissioned sales team of reps who are on the road, going to meet with a plant manager, going to meet with a manufacturer and saying, hey, you know, you should try this thing. I have a demo. I'd be really curious, like, what their distribution and go-to-market kind of strategy is. But I think they would probably address that in the similar. It's only 15 employees, right?

Yeah. It was small, which surprised me. Mm-hmm. But that's great. I love that. Oh, my, that's what I mean. I think we all won the deal. So Calder, like, hit us up.

Well, do you can handle it. Is the ultimate buyer here, though, the manufacturer, like the one that they are vertically integrated with and like this manufacturer? Because it says this market includes premium vertically integrated players. And then it says they're not. Like, isn't that the best buyer for this? Why are they not buying it? Yeah.

Good point. I mean, maybe there's a reason. Maybe it doesn't fit their business model. You know, there are reasons. I would just be curious as to what it is because they seem like they could pay the most. And it would be, it would create value for them, not just,

you know, on the income statement, but on, they would create enterprise value for that. Hmm. Yeah, good point. All right.

I'm thumbs up. Thumbs up. I'm definitely thumbs up. I mean, this is, this is not a guy with an SBA loan deal, but like, well capitalized searcher,

maybe. I mean, this is, this is $20 million plus of enterprise value. you know, 20 to 30 million. The other thing I like about it is, at least for us, we work with so many engineers and people with very technical backgrounds that I think that this is, well, it's an independent sponsored model, right?

Like, you could totally see this getting taken down by somebody that has expertise in one of those industries that they are serving. So I really love this deal. I'm insanely, I'm insanely curious about what it actually is, you know? Yeah, I'm thumbs up for a strategic. I don't, I think it's got some risks as a distributor of something so specific. So I'd be thumbs up for the right buyer, but not as a standalone. This would kind of make me afraid.

Yeah. This would be step one. I would want to acquire the manufacturer. Yeah. Or maybe finance the manufacturer in acquiring this one and come into equity. Yeah, right. Yeah. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a good one. Thank you, Mills. Yeah, fine. And if you end up buying this deal from Calder, please tweet us or let us now. Well, I'm going to be sending, you know, large capital call request to each of you.

From Snail Capital. Guys, I promised them I had $5 million. Send me pictures of your checking accounts. We can round it all. You know, everybody together. We're going to aggregate it all together. My little text boxes over my numbers and just write $5 million. dollars. Obviously real, right? Yeah. All right. I love it. All right. If you guys love this one,

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