Adeptus Ridiculous - 40k's Most Badass Detective: Gregor Eisenhorn | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://shop.orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousThe boys are joined by TheAmberKin...g to dive into the grimdark detective story of Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn! From freezing cryo-crypts on Hubris to chasing the heretical House Glaw across the Helican sub-sector, we break down the first chapter of 40k's most legendary Inquisitor. Expect xenos artifacts, corrupted Chaos Space Marines, and an escalating web of conspiracy that ends in absolute Exterminatus on 56-Izar.Support the show

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Starting point is 00:00:16 Welcome, everyone, to another episode of the Adeptist Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, and I think we have a pretty memorable episode on the horizon, so let's get right into it. Introduce yourselves, Bricky, and our special guest. Am I the special guest? Yeah, yeah, Bricky. Obviously, you've never been here before. You don't know how this works. Hal is our usual, is my usual guest host, obviously.
Starting point is 00:00:43 So, Bricky, how are you? How's you feel to be on the show? I'm pretty good. You know, I need to make a statement since the last episode, or the episode before that. So remember when we were kind of like, we were talking about the Hell Divers Warbonds,
Starting point is 00:00:59 and we were like, yeah, the choices in armor and stuff were pretty uninspired. And, like, you know, I'd still kind of stick by that particular point. However, I got a little, I got a little sponsor for Sony, not for the Warhammer one, but just like the new, the new, like, update. So, like, the Seaf update. So I don't have to talk about the Warhammer one.
Starting point is 00:01:18 But I did use a lot of it. And let me tell you, weapon-wise, I was wrong. The new weapons are... The Meltigan is like the greatest thing the entire game has ever seen. And I would like to make a formal statement that, while I do think the armor is still rather uninspired, holy hell is it a fun war bond. So, damn, was I wrong?
Starting point is 00:01:45 Well, hey, good for you. I haven't played hell divers, so I can't say one way or another, but, you know, hey, glad to hear they're kind of rock. Yeah, it's actually kind of awesome. They're really cool. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hell's here, by the way.
Starting point is 00:02:02 Yeah. Hi, Hal. I'm ready to dive a diplomacy at any moment, by the way. Love Hell divers. Hey, guys. As well, you can see. Yeah, we go, um, is a, do we still do updates at the beginning? as well, there's like some 40K news stuff like that?
Starting point is 00:02:19 A little bit. We got a bunch of new orc stuff on the way. And, uh, orcs and currently best army in the game are getting a bunch of data sheet updates that are buffing their prior data sheets, which of course, we don't know yet the points, you know, the codexes, etc. But Gascole is like basically just Mortarian now. So there's some interesting stuff to go with that. Let's go, Gaz.
Starting point is 00:02:45 love to see Gaz get a glow up. Well, I guess it's not a really glow up. He's always been good, right? Uh, he's pretty good, but like, now he's literally, like, he hits, like, Angron. He's insane. Excellent. And he should, really. Like, it's, it's Gaz. Like,
Starting point is 00:03:02 he should hit, like, a damn truck. He should hit like a Primark. He's the guy. The green guy. Well, he's not guy at all, but. I will say it does come at, like, a bit of a price. Shai's right. McCarrie doesn't have, like, a profile anymore. Macari is now like a little token. However, the rule
Starting point is 00:03:19 is really funny. It's just, hoist that banner, McCari, and then, like, it just gives you a big AOE buff. But, like, it's just him yelling at McCari to hold the banner up, which is kind of cool. So. But he doesn't have a mini.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Like, he's not a... No, he still has a mini. He's just, like, a token now. He doesn't, like, have, like, a stabber or nothing. Poor little guy. Disgusting. He has been smushed many a time in... Yep. I mean, he died for our sins. That's the best we could say.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Where were you when Macari was killed? Where were you? Were you raising your banner when Macari got smushed? WWMD, what would Macari do? Wow. All right. Weapons of mass Macari? Yeah, totally. Anyway, yeah, there's a lot of, uh, the orcs are looking really good.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Also, they're already the best army in the game. So it's a little bit of like a pulls collar moment, but we'll see how it goes. The Codex comes out in like two weeks. Woo! I actually, uh, I actually ordered it. Uh, because while I think the codexes have gone weird, it's the first one of 11th. And I'm curious about like, how is the lore changes? Is it better?
Starting point is 00:04:35 Have they gone farther to the lore stuff? Like, figuring that part out. I suspect they might separate them more. Because I think people who are, the game's becoming more competitive. I play a decent amount of 40K at the moment now. And I don't mind them being separate. Like, I don't mind law being more of like a novel thing. And there's small amounts to like kind of bring your characters to life in like the codexes.
Starting point is 00:04:58 But, you know, I think we all kind of diverge in some way. Some people like the law more like maybe us or, you know, we dip our toe into playing. I don't mind them being separate. And it'll be interesting to see what they do. I mean, I said the code. Are X-S are no longer hardcover? Yeah, they're soft cover now. Though I think they sometimes do like a, like a...
Starting point is 00:05:22 Special edition type deal? Yeah, one of those. Oh, I will say, new Trace and Orican novels out. The Wicked and the Warp is out. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. I didn't realize that was already, damn. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Have you started reading it, How? I haven't yet. I've, of course, read the first one of, few times and I'm pretty, it's my next thing on my list to basically do, but that's more of like a free time thing because I apparently need to shove more 40K down my throat. So yeah. Well, yeah. Well, anyway, speaking of shoving 40K down our throat, if you enjoy this podcast, listen to what DK has to say. Yeah, if you love the banner, hey, maybe check out on our Patreon over at patreon.com slash adeptist ridiculous where you can get access to the discord. Blupers, if they
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Starting point is 00:06:48 All right, Hal. You said we're going to be here for like two hours. What are you doing to us? Oh, boy. Yeah. Well, I'm going to be covering something. Well, first of all, I'd just say, I am so excited for this episode.
Starting point is 00:07:00 I'm so gas. This is one of my favorite characters, favorite topics. Absolute banger. In all right, gentlemen, this might be a fat one. There's a thick amount of law in this because I'm going to be covering something that I believe was covered on the channel quite a, it was a few years ago now. It was for one of the book club episodes. And we are going to be over a few episodes, re-treading the law of Eisenhorn, Inquisitor, Eisenhorn.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Let's go. And I figured you guys might need a refresh in terms of what was in the kind of earlier, or basically the main trilogy. saw the opening novel of Zenos. And it's probably been a while, but for those listening, this is a I'm going to be going over here. Spoiler episode. Yes. As I've said before, all lore is spoilers, by the way.
Starting point is 00:07:58 So it's going to be some spoilers in this episode. We're going to get into the nitty-gritty about the investigations of the iconic character by Dan Abnett. It will, again, feel free to, like, join in any points if you remember stuff from the previous times you guys have engaged with characters. I know it's been a little while, but other than that, we can kind of, I'm pretty, I'm pretty fresh on Zenos, I won't lie.
Starting point is 00:08:24 That's still pretty, pretty good in the brain, but the rest, and I haven't read the Beckwin, uh, trilogy, which I hear is also very good. So that kind of stuff is a little bit past me, but,
Starting point is 00:08:33 but Zenos, I actually remember pretty, pretty well, mainly because it's literally just James Bond. Pretty much, yeah. We did that a while ago though, didn't we?
Starting point is 00:08:43 Like, that was not, like, yesterday. Like, that was like last year. I really liked Ice and Horn, though. I like three years. I think it's really good. I mean, it was good from what I remember, but did you say it was three years ago? It might be two or three years. It's been a hot minute since you guys have covered it.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Yeah, damn. Yeah, we can get straight on into it, though, and there'll be a few times I might ask you to help me explain a few things in the beginning. those who are new to Warhammer or maybe haven't really engaged with this stuff. But other than that, we'll get straight on into the amazing law of Inquisitor Eisenhorn. Are you guys ready? No. No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Definitely not. Reschedule. Nah. I will begin with something that might be familiar to you, which is, Thorn requires Aegis. The Shades of Eighty. Razor Delphus Pathway pattern oath imperative multifarious changelings below If you guys remember that'll be a massive kind of hint
Starting point is 00:09:49 to what we're doing in this story This is where we will begin I'm going to have a little, a very, very tiny primer Because again some people might not know what we're talking about Bricky or D-K Would you care to very, very quickly explain what the Imperial Inquisition is Because without that context, this might be completely weird this whole story.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Oh, ooh, me, me, me, me. Go for it. In the back, in the back. All right. So the Imperial Inquisition originally founded by Malcador, the Sigillite back in the day, is the secret police akin to your KGB or Gestapo of the Warhammer world, also with a lot of tie back to good old witch hunters back in the way long days. Their entire purpose is based on their ordo to seek out enemies of the Imperium as they hold absolute authority in the case of all laws and answer only to their Lord Inquisitors and to then the high lords of Terra.
Starting point is 00:11:00 They are normally slightly augmented humans that serve somewhat as detectives and go. and go around looking for things that might serve the Imperium harm, whether that is Heretics, Zenos, demons, and more. Perfect. And yeah, this will be an incredible story. Again, it's really hard to do it in a podcast format, but I will say to people listening, this book is so good in terms of like,
Starting point is 00:11:29 it's from Eisenhorn's own perspective, it's his own thoughts. But this will be covering the event that happens. but if you'd want to check out this book, it's all the trilogy, just I do recommend going for it. And we're going to start with a little tiny bit on Eisenhorn's origins.
Starting point is 00:11:46 So this section is called Thorn Requires Sanctuary, The Shades of Firelight. And of course, the episode is on Inquisitor Gregor Eisenhorn. He was born onto Cares World in 198M41. There's not too much known about Eisenhorn's origins
Starting point is 00:12:03 other than he, hints to he may have been on a black ship, which is used by the sister of silence to, you know, hide your kids, hide your wife, steal children for the, uh, the golden throne sacrifice kind of thing, you know, still psychies. What a throwback, dude. God, God, he's old. Yeah. Give me that 2006 reference, please.
Starting point is 00:12:25 And boom goes the dynamite. Yes. Oh, man. What are those? Before this, uh, he was at some point in the Scottish. Prigenium, which you've tackled in many of your episodes, and he spent most of his early 20s with a fellow student called Titus Endor under Inquisitor Hapshant, who is kind of describes like a typical inquisitor, but maybe a little bit of an asshole.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Eisenhorn, he describes himself as, well, we should say he's actually handsome. There are probably some images of him not looking so handsome. That's later, but when he is young, he's quite a handsome, well-built-looking guy, and Bricky, I'm going to have you read out a small excerpt on how he describes himself. Would you hear to read it? All my life, I have had a reputation for being cold, unfeeling. Some have even called me heartless, ruthless, even cruel. I am not.
Starting point is 00:13:22 I am not beyond emotional response or compassion, but I possess. And my masters count this as perhaps my paramount virtue, a singular force of will. which is actually his psychic gifts. Yeah. Point, hint. And also refers to his unfettered character
Starting point is 00:13:42 about just fulfilling something to the very end. And when he is a young, strapping young lad, he would eventually be raised at the rank of Inquisitor only after a few short years, which is quite a feat in itself.
Starting point is 00:13:56 He is taught and he embodies Inquisitor Hapstant's teachings and he describes himself as an Amalathean, which I'll go into in a second, but fellas, would you care to explain, because this is a theme that will happen throughout most of the trilogy, which is the difference between being a Puritan inquisitor and a radical inquisitor, would any one of you care to just very briefly explain like what's the difference, if you know, between a Puritan and a radical?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Ooh, this one's a little harder. D.K., it's on you. I don't know if this is a hard, because Puritans are. like they do not use any sort of like they will not use like xenos tech or they won't use anything like even remotely heretical and radical ones are like well we probably shouldn't but like the ends kind of justify the means so like if we got to use little zeno shenanigans or we got to do something that might be seen as a little heretical otherwise it's okay we can do that right did he did he cut out when he was saying that for the rest of the years
Starting point is 00:15:02 No, no, it was really funny because you were like, you know, oh, they don't use that, but weep! I went too high pitch and Discord cut me out. Don't worry, Shire. It's in the recording. Bro, entered the multiverse. But essentially, D.K. is absolutely correct. And for Inquisitor Eisenhorn, he describes himself as a Amalathean. And this is a subset of the Puritan inquisitor kind of belief system.
Starting point is 00:15:33 And they specifically describe themselves as they want the Imperium to stay as it is. They want to keep the status quo and that they believe the Imperium as it is, is to the emperor, sorry, the God Emperor's design. Eisenhorn is obviously, as we mentioned, a psycher, not a super powerful one, but he's not, you know, low level. and when we begin the first novel Xenos, he starts at the year, oh sorry, he starts at the age of 42 years old, and he's been chasing for about six years a recidivist and a renowned chaos cultist known as Murdin, I clone. And this is where we basically begin the events of the first novel. So this section is going to be called hubris, patterned thimble, thorn requires imperative.
Starting point is 00:16:23 And as mentioned, we are starting on a planet called Hubris, which is a very small planet. And what's interesting about Hubris is that its rotation is basically, I assume it's elliptical. In my mind, it's fucked because for most of the year, they seem to be out of the sort of closeness. Basically, most of the year they're out of the heat of the sun, the local star. So most of the civilians go into hibernation pots. and most of the city, which is called the sun dome, is filled with those who are awake, but like 90% of the population is sleeping. And they have like this fake, like plasma sun within the, literally the sun dome. And that's what keeps like light and energy and heat for the systems who actually are awake.
Starting point is 00:17:11 It opens in a very, very like frosty area. Eisenhorn is escorted by guardians who are funny enough called custodians, then obviously actual custodians. and he's being guided to one of these sleeping areas of a certain section. So like mass sections of like sleeping people. And this particular area is the nobles quarter. Well, I remember from the novel, that's quite cool. I don't know if you guys remember it. Like the custodians carry like light poles with little like lanterns on them and like little spears.
Starting point is 00:17:42 And at this point, I, uh, Eisenhorn is tracked I clone. and he suspects there's some large attack coming and he's sort of in this frozen like cryogenic area trying to track him down. Yeah. By his side is a member of his entourage whose name is Vibben. She's an ex-ganger and she served as like entourage, bodyguard for quite a few years. And Eisenhorn and Vibben get separated at one point. They start realizing there are enemies nearby. They encounter cultists of I clone.
Starting point is 00:18:16 There's where you first had those scenes where Eisenhorn uses his will, his psychic power. And if you guys remember from the novel, when he says it, it kind of almost acts as like a second voice. And it's a psychic, he sets up psychic commands to the enemies to drop their weapons and to tell them like to emerge. And he does this and he basically just kills them. So you can kind of see how deadly psychic powers are, even like in a small use of them. we also get to see him use Glossia, which is used throughout most of the novels as well. And it's the bit I'm using at the beginning of this episode and the beginning of sections. It's like that informal code.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Which I'd be honest, it's not that difficult to understand. It's not like super amazing. It's just, you know, if it's Thorne wishes Aegis, it's him, Eisenhorn, Thorn, wishes, wants to. And then Aegis might be like safety or like to regroup. So it's quite easy to understand. understand, but it's quite like a little extra touch throughout the novels. Except as this sort of ongoing investigation to eye clone is happening, the first scene is basically Eisenhorn finds Vibbon's corpse.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Her blood is already freezing upon the deck and he's staring at her body and there are numerous other corpses around her. It even states in this novel that the sight of her death will forever haunt him. He still thinks back to her like cold dead eyes. But he is an inquisitor and he has to. to keep pushing on. He eventually gets further into this area, and he realizes I-Clone is waking up different sectors and draining the power need for the cryogenesis.
Starting point is 00:19:55 He encounters at one point this noble woman who comes like shivering and like breaking out of one of these cryo-vets, like, cryo chamber, sorry, and she's like gasping for air. And apparently this is not the proper way to wake someone up and need like extra treatments. so she's just dying slowly and like gasping. But he doesn't kill her because he even says in his own head, if I do this, it's okay, loads of like bureaucracy and paperwork in the local area,
Starting point is 00:20:24 but he still thinks back in his whole life to that moment where he should have spared her this like horrible death. But he keeps pressing forward. He moves into this power nexus area and he starts calling for aid. This is where we get to meet his pilot Midas Bettencourt. Do you guys remember Midas Bettencourt? Yeah, Bencore, Bencore rocks.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Fagley, yeah. Yeah, he, he's a baller. This guy, Foxx. He's super cool. He's a Galavian, so he comes from a world where, a little bit of a roguess reputation, he's a bit of a gunslinger. He has, like, silver inlays in his hands,
Starting point is 00:21:01 as all Galavians are, like, specializing pilot stuff, and they use their silver inlays to, like, sort of connect to machines, almost like Mechanicus. Eisenol at this point does kill a few more of the cultists and eventually he starts to battle iClon. They're each using their psychic will against each other and it's like strange back and forth
Starting point is 00:21:21 until eventually I Clone outsmart, sorry, Eisenhorn outsmarts Eye Clone, he takes this pistol that Vibin had given to him as like a prize and to be fair, Eisenhower was quite embarrassed by it because it had like funny little pearl inlays. She'd done that
Starting point is 00:21:37 as like, yeah, ex-ganga little like you know, you know, yeah, little engravings and all that kind of like, like crap that should throw on the big end up. Yeah, he didn't have like an ivory inlay or something, like an ivory handle or something like that. And like Mother of Pearl, I think, as well. And he shows this little pistol into I clone's face and breaks his teeth and blows out his brains as revenge.
Starting point is 00:21:58 So he's also not supposed to get emotionally involved in investigations like that, but it seems he has a bit of reputation for maybe not being so heartless. with the battle over the kind of investigation of what I clone was trying to do, because obviously something went wrong. So they're trying to work out what's really going on here. This is where Midas comes down. And then another crew member approaches. And this is Eisenhorn's savant, who his name is Uber Amos. If you remember Amos. He's like he's kind of a little, little, not like a twerp, but he's like a little annoying, jabbering old man, right?
Starting point is 00:22:37 Yeah, he's a little, he's a little, he's a little, he's a, he used to serve with Inquisita Hapshant, so he's like a kind of a hangover from that. But he acts as Eisenhorn's like a researcher. He's also heavily augmented in his stomach. He's an old guy. He's quite quirky. He often loses himself, like when he starts to talk about information, he starts to babble quite a lot. It's probably a lot like me. He also has an iconic catchphrase, which he says throughout all the novels, he says, most perturbatory. which I don't know where that comes from, but it's more like, I always enjoy it when it comes out, because it seems to be like a sort of tension-breaking phrase. I remember that. All the people who voice them, they always use the same like,
Starting point is 00:23:22 yeah, Scheisenhorn, yes. Most perturbatory. Yeah, pushes up glasses. They're always that kind of guy. Amos is like a kind of cute old man. He's not that bad. I like him.
Starting point is 00:23:36 And at this point, I think Eisenhorn, Amos and Midas are trying to conclude what Eichlone's plan was. He obviously was trying to use these power conduits to work on this like casket device. And when they open it, there's nothing within it. So something went wrong with the plan or someone abandoned the plan he was working with. He's obviously working with someone. Eisenhorn is then attempted to be arrested by the custodians and like the high custodians, except they learn that he's an inquisitor.
Starting point is 00:24:06 so they're going to back off immediately. This later culminates to when Eisenhorn is summoned before the Council of Hubris, the High Council, to answer, in quotes, for the cryo incident. Many of the nobles at this point were awakened by Eichlone's attack, and loads of them have, like, thousands have died, especially the Ophi. And this is a huge disaster for the city and the world. They start to blame Eisenhorn. they accuse him of being the one who chased Eichlone to hubris
Starting point is 00:24:38 and that's why this has happened. Eisenhorn's having none of it. He points out like I clone actually infiltrated your world over like a week before he arrived. Yeah. And that him actually arriving prevented this from being a much like worse and terrifying disaster. I'm trying to remember. Why was I clone doing this again? Are you just crazy cultus guy?
Starting point is 00:25:00 I want to kill a bunch of people? I'll go into it. That's the thing. I feel like this is a big overarching. But I have a quote, D.K., though. I have a quote for you for how Eisenhorn entered this exchange, if you would read that for me. Yeah, sure. And next time you choose to confront an imperial inquisitor, you may want to be more respectful.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I am excusing a lot because I recognize the trauma and loss you have suffered, but my patience isn't limitless. unlike my authority. It goes so hard, I remember. I think it's one of the most famous inquisitor quotes out there. My patience isn't limit as unlike my authority. There's very few, with the exception of the innocence proofs nothing that I've heard that, like, explains the inquisitor. Like, yeah, I'm pretty sure they do say in a rogue trader as well.
Starting point is 00:25:55 It's really, really prominent. It's also one of the few times I, sorry for the language, it's one of the few times Eisenhorn swings his dick around, you know what I mean? He doesn't often use his authority. Gasp, how? My virgin ears, bless my birthday.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Ridiculous? On adeptist ridiculous of all places? My goodness. Dick is literally in our name, brother. Wow. Ridic. Eiless. See?
Starting point is 00:26:23 I love it. I'm going to hang myself. Yeah, yeah. It's actually short for a, for a, Adeptus Richardless. Shut up. Shut the fuck. Oh, we get silly with it.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Jesus. Excuseing the embarrassment, he's obviously, you know, spanking the nobles over here. The hubris nobles transitioned to a more private meeting, and this is where Eisenhorn says he needs to examine Eichlone's body and needs to find out where he was staying in hubris. The novels agree so long as they have, they're one stipulation. which is they want one of their Arbite's to join with him, and that is a man named Godwin Fischick. Fisich at this point is a pretty tall, blonde man who is a very direct-to-the-point kind of guy,
Starting point is 00:27:11 is what you probably think is a typical, like, RBT's kind of character, but he's also got a strong moral compass, and he's very good in a fight. At this point, reluctantly, Eisenhorn agrees. So Eisenhorn, Amos and Fisich, they go over to examine Iglow's body. it's not they have some clues like amos is able to like sort of derive and use his knowledge to examine his like tattoos his chaos markings except there's a slight problem which is um i can know his body is like booby trapped and there's like this little silver zenos like device like emerged out of his body and just tries to kill the rest of them until luckily the chief mortician this lady's a boss who just like grabs it out of it like air out of thin air and just like throws it into like acid or fire i think it is
Starting point is 00:27:55 so she just does that and I think Fisig almost like yelped at one point so he wasn't he wasn't doing super hot at this moment but iCloan's body is a bit of a dud there's no more clues so the next thing they go to do with this investigation is they go to the apartment complex in the sun dome they've managed to find this room and they are looking for more of like the agent slash cultists who worked with iCloan they burst in they drop one they get like fired upon there's like some cool scenes where like they're testing out of the agent slash cultists who work with i clone they burst in they drop one they get like fired upon there's like some cool scenes where like they're testing out the security defences and like they flip a coin between each other. At one point they see there's a woman on the, sorry, a woman of the knight, I believe they call it, who is on one of the beds. I think Possum had a different name for it. I can't remember it. Sorry, brother. But she says her name, Eisenhorn is using his will. He says, what is your name? And she says, my name is Elizabeth Beckwin. And for some reason, Eisenhorn, like, instantly, like, hates her. But he also thinks, thinks that's really irrational and strange. It doesn't matter. They're in the middle of a combat fight. She actually gets a knife and kills one of the cultists to kind of like help her case
Starting point is 00:29:05 because she's not involved. And almost all of them get injured as explosives set off in the room and destroy any paperwork and any tracings that I clone may have had, you know, surviving his death. At this point, the events on hubris kind of come to a tail end where Eisenhorn and Fisig do, They do some interrogations or survivors, but they realize they've been like, they've been psychically forced to do this. So they're kind of worthless. They do sort of, they build a bond of respect between the two of them. That's like interesting to see. Eisenhower has a, sorry, Eisenhower has a theory about Beckwin. And he tries to use his will on her again, but it seems to have no effect. So he keeps that in the back of his mind for a little bit. I want to, I want to talk about this more when we get to the, to the realization, because I, because I remember this, but like, I do have. questions for you, Hal, when we get there. So make sure you poke me when we arrive. Oh, it's not, it won't be too far off because he does torture about it. But at this point,
Starting point is 00:30:01 uh, there's a funny scene even when like he's trying to interrogate her. Like, what's your name? And Godwin Fisci goes, Godwin Fishing. Like, so he like, he blurt out his name by accident because he wasn't mentally prepared. He has to leave an embarrassment, which is quite funny. The next scene that takes place in the novel is on a rogue trader's ship. This section is called Thorn requires Aegis pattern razor. So the investigation on hubris only has like one small thread and that is they've somehow come across the name the Pontius. Amos is able to use his skills to work out that the Pontius may refer to a Pontius Glaw who's a long dead heretic of the once noble house Glaw. He's like been dead for hundreds of years. But house Glor is still alive
Starting point is 00:30:48 and they reside on the cultural hub of the Helicon subsector called Goodron. And they possibly have used a rogue trader called Semian Croats, and he may have transported Eichlone to Heurus from Goodron. So that's basically where the next thread leads. Eisenhorn prepares to leave, and this is where he goes to speak to Beckwin. He offers her work, and she's like, oh, you want work? And he's like, and then she like puts her hand on his chest, and he feels immense pain immediately.
Starting point is 00:31:18 And this is where it confirms to him that she is a blank. Yeah. Do you have a question, Bricky? Yeah. So that was fashion I thought would be. So, yeah, so my main question, I'm trying to figure this one out because we've discussed on this every so often. And I'm trying to remember this properly. So because when was Eisenhorn written?
Starting point is 00:31:40 It wasn't like 05 or something? Early 2000s. Really early 2000s. I think maybe 2000 even. Because blanks seem to. scale in power because, oh, one, holy crap. Yeah. And they seem to scale in power sometimes.
Starting point is 00:31:56 I'm assuming, and remind me if I'm, if I'm incorrect, like, one of the reasons why Janitia Kroll was so powerful is that her, like, her, her null field was just insanely strong, like, by far one of the most powerful. So I would make the assumption that Beckwin is actually not particularly strong because Eisenhorn isn't like losing his mind being near her. I don't think, yeah, it's not described that she's a particularly strong one. She might just be an average blank in that sense. Because also, I always find it a little bit strange that she was like a prostitute
Starting point is 00:32:32 considering that, I don't know, I feel like people wouldn't really want to be around her. Yeah, because even if you're not a, but even if you're not a psycher, a blank still makes you feel like uncomfortable. and you don't really want to be around them. And it's like, isn't that why everybody's like, oh, Juergen, you stink.
Starting point is 00:32:51 It's like, well, it's because he's a blank and he's making you like really uncomfortable, right? Well, and he stinks. And he doesn't be. It can manifest in different ways,
Starting point is 00:33:01 but it explains to her, like, it's probably why most people dislike her most of her life in some sense. Oh, yeah, they don't they? Yeah,
Starting point is 00:33:10 no, you're right, but she agrees to work for Eisenhorn. She's not, sure what it is yet. The crew is about to depart, but not before good old Godwin Fisig shows up and he says, I've been told I'm going with you, which to which Eisenhorn kind of fake protests and sends fake letters like, oh no, I don't want this, but he agrees to take fishing with him because he kind of likes him. This is where they bought the rogue trader called the S-N, which is enormous, and it's piloted by
Starting point is 00:33:39 an individual called Tobias Maxilla. It should be stated, Maxilla does look a bit like a, you know, a French 1800s bureaucrat, Mr. you know, good old Louis Bourbon kind of thing, you know, crazy wig, ridiculous finery. He's got makeup on loads of jewelry. He looks terrible. Like, he looks like, he looks. I fucking love Rogue Trader appearances. They're always so over the top.
Starting point is 00:34:04 But then you mix in a bunch of gothic wires and like laser beams or fake eyes. And that combination of aesthetics is just awesome. he looks wild but he's also incredibly charming as a character he's so dainty and like so charismatic and all the crew is welcome aboard
Starting point is 00:34:25 and they depart for Goodron over the time in the road trader ship Eisenhorn does like develop a bond between him and Maxilla he does suspect though that he is hiding something from him Maxilla does turn up
Starting point is 00:34:37 like a void funeral for Fibbon and you know it hints that Midas may have been in love with Vibbon at some point. But his respect for Max Seller is pretty high. Amos likes Max Siller because those two can apparently like out. They're the only people Eisenhorn thinks could like not stop talking forever.
Starting point is 00:34:57 So that goes pretty well. We also see Midas and fishing. There's some cool scenes between like the, the trio of him and I like them and Eisenhorn like bonding. This is where he actually does tell Beckwin what she is and she does not take it well. But she'll learn to deal with. with it. She'll learn to accept, like, kind of what she is, and it explains so much of the trouble she's had her life. Also, weird enough, though, for some reason, when they arrive close to
Starting point is 00:35:23 Gudron, the ship gets stopped for an inspection, which Maxilla says this is really, like, I never get stopped. So he asked Eisenhorn of fishing to join him to, like, meet whoever's coming aboard. There's where a group of naval marines, they come aboard the ship, and Eisenhorn notices immediately something is wrong. They don't seem to move in, like, a pattern more like a kind of like a rag tag group. And weirdly enough, when they hear Eisenhorn's name, they just start blasting. So Eisenhorn and Fisher, they drop a few of them and they just dash at the side. Maxilla uses a digital ring.
Starting point is 00:35:59 It's like a fun little Warhammer little bit there. And he just obliterates one of them, you know, like, you know, ligma balls gone. But he gets, him and Fisher get absolutely like blasted and Fisher goes down. Maxilla gets taken out, presumably. Eisenhorn makes a mad dash throughout the ship, and he uses the ship's environment and pistons, like, crush a few men and, like, take them out in stealth, until my boy Midas, with his dual-wielding pistols,
Starting point is 00:36:27 absolutely springs out and he cuts down the rest of them. He basically killed the rest of them on the ship. Midas is just absolutely, like, goaded with it. This is where Eisenhorn goes to find Maxilla, and this is where he sort of looks down at Maxilla's body, and there are like golden servitors working on him, and this is where he discovers the kind of the secret he was hiding. Bricky, I found a little quote for this section.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Would you care to read this small one here about what's small? Bettencourt found Maxilla beyond the shattered glass doors of the Evac suit bay. He had crawled across the floor and propped himself against a harness rack. From the chest down, his rich clothes were shredded and his legs were gone. But then, from the chest down, he wasn't human. No, he's a completely, he basically replaced most of his body. And it's kind of a bit of a sin in some sense, unless you're like a mechanican. But Eisenhorn agrees to like keep that secret for him.
Starting point is 00:37:29 He doesn't see his need to interfere in Max Siller's life. I'll ask you guys a small question, which is if you guys could upgrade your bodies, you know, 40K style with like, automatics and stuff, and what would you do? I mean, I'm assuming we're not referring to, like, the obvious ones, like replacing the hearts and lungs and stuff to make me live forever kind of shit. Nah, give us a fun one, bro.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Oh, yeah, I'm definitely swapping my entire handout for, like, something with a whole bunch of random digits and, like, like, a pen and a quill and, like, little, and, like, it opens up to, like, five more mechadendrites so I can type on the computer really fast with just one hand. Oh, you want the ghost of the shit? Calog medic. Well, I haven't seen ghosts in the shell, but, um, uh, I mean also like, I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:38:14 Just ignore that for now. Um, and then like the puff from Bruce Almighty with Jim Carrey when he's sipping the coffee and he, and he's just like typing really fast on the one hand. I want that kind of shit. Yeah, why did shy say chain so a dick? I mean, it's a big shake. Because it's because why wouldn't you? Obviously, you know, just rev that bad boy up.
Starting point is 00:38:34 You know, yeah, yeah. My shit be revving. But eventually they, they clear up, stop, stop, stop. D.K. didn't give us ours. Oh, sorry, D.K., sorry, go ahead, man. Oh, I don't think I don't, I don't, I don't, I, I don't really have an answer for you. I don't know what I would, because I, I kind of wanted the ghost in the shell fingers. I wanted the ghost in the shell fingers, but Bricky took it.
Starting point is 00:39:00 So, no, I'm just like, goes in the shell fingers. Well, I want ghost in the shell fingers then. All right. Be a hacker man, you know. And then I was like, if Bricky took the finger thing, I'd have to take that the eye thing. And that's just, I don't know. But yeah, goes in the shelf thingies. That all open up into lots of little hands that can type even faster.
Starting point is 00:39:19 As the kind of, they basically clean up this, like, weirdly unprecedented attack. Eisenhorn being inquisitor, he's naval support, the naval command, and he gets a prosecutor, Alm, Maderthene, who will be important for the next episode. He arrives to help. he's a pretty like straightforward guy and he's pretty competent which eisenhorn likes and the goodron navy is pretty embarrassed and they agree to like help with isanhorn's investigation that's happening on goodron this is where we see like fisher gets sent to the recovery room it's a kind of ongoing theme throughout this first novel that fisher gets sent to the recovery room because he always basically nearly dies what a fucking idiot and he's not going to go down to gudron because he can't help
Starting point is 00:40:04 and they're going to follow the leads that lead to basically House Glaw. The first lead they kind of pull on is maybe to do with the somewhat getting in like an into House Glaw, which is where Eisenhorn and Beckwin that infiltrate as a grain merchant company, like a couple, and they get themselves luckily invited to House Glaw. Beckwin at this point like leans into being Eisenhorn's wife and she does it surprisingly well and she needs to be like enjoying herself. And Eisenon is, I think it's the only time in the novel he like genuinely laughs at like her banter.
Starting point is 00:40:38 So they seem to be like getting along quite well. Isn't she like basically roll up into the place and be like, yes, give me all of your fruits and wines, please. Yeah, she was like, the biscuits are the biscuits. I can't remember what their, um, their fake names were. They were like adiases, but she's like, oh, darling with the biscuits. You know, she was basically playing it up really well. That's fun.
Starting point is 00:41:00 I like that. The second leave they follow is the road. trader Samin Croats, who, long story short, it ends badly, it ends in like a biker speed chase thing, except he like plows into a army parade of Guggenite rifles and gets blasted. So that kind of goes nowhere. But because of this, at night in their apartment, it gets broken into. So Midas wakes up Eisenhorn with Glossier and they see like two figures trying to like break into their like front door.
Starting point is 00:41:32 they pull them in Eisenhorn breaks the nose to the first one except the other one is a psycher and he's actually way better than Eisenhorn is. He like holds him in place so it's like trying to get into his mind. Except Beckwin and Amos were running to the room and obviously her being a blank
Starting point is 00:41:48 it kind of stops that immediately and this is where the fight ends because they realize the two other figures are inquisitors and it is led by Inquisitor Comodus Vogue who was like this really anciently like old Puritan inquisitor guy
Starting point is 00:42:04 and he has his interrogator called Heldame. The two of them at this point, sorry all four of them basically, I said the whole group really. They realise they're both investigating house glork, so basically common as evoke was looking into
Starting point is 00:42:19 Simeon Croats and obviously he dared, so that does not help. They agree to work together and they will use Eisenhorn's method. So Eisenhorn, Beckwin, Amos, Midas and Heldane they go to the party at the massive Glor estate. Here Eisenhorn's spots will be important characters for the rest of the novel.
Starting point is 00:42:41 There is the leader of the house, Oberon Glor. He's a very tall and posing man. His younger brother called Eurycel Glor, who leaves their military. There's a man named Gorgon Locke, who is a, again, tall, like red-headed man and seems to be like some wealthy grain merchant, they think. And there's also, weirdly enough, an ecclesiart. named Datsso, who looks like a bit of a weak fella. He seems to be like the odd one out. No one's sure why he's there. Later, they go up to their rooms after the introduction party, and Eisenhorn
Starting point is 00:43:13 puts on his stealth gear. He's like, I'm going in. So he infiltrates outside, like he hangs on the, you know, the outer walls of like in the middle of the rain. And he infiltrates lower into the estate. And he actually hobbbers above a room where he sees the two claws, lock, maybe Datsso and some others speaking about sites, maps, tablets. It's something clear, like they talk about the true matter, the Pontius. He tries to move into an adjoining chamber,
Starting point is 00:43:44 and as he's doing this, Eidhorn gets discovered. He beats down the guy who, like, sees him, but unfortunately the alert was sounded. So he barricades himself in this room. He's ready to, like, fight. He looks, he kind of doesn't look too much behind him, but there's like a weird device on the table.
Starting point is 00:44:00 and then his world just go dark. He's like knocked out by something. Yeah. Yeah. Then he awakens upon a torture table. Not my favourite fantasy. Both of the two glores and Gorg and Locke are over him. They're just like brutally interrogate Eisenhorn.
Starting point is 00:44:19 At one point, Eisenhorn likes like whisper something. So Locke leans down and he bites him on the face. That's a fun little fuck you to him. Which Locke sees like punch him to release him. So that seems like a bit of a wild princess, the pit bull moment. They know his inquisition. They know his inquisition. And they seem somewhat relieved that he knows nothing of the, quote, true matter.
Starting point is 00:44:44 And Eisenhorn at this point, we learn, he's only really conscious for some of the torture. It may have been many hours. They do horrific things to him. And they damage his face in a way in which he will never smile again. So he's kind of a brooding art. whole. It looks like resting bitch face permanently from this point on. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's like a somewhat like kind of, well, I'm not going to call him a decent guy. He's an Ordo Zenos Inquisitor. Um, but, uh, wait, is he Zenos, isn't he? Or is he now. Yes, O'Don Zenos. Okay. It's always strange to me because he deals with a lot of like chaos stuff in his books. They have a lot of overlap. That's the thing. No, of course. But like, it's just humorous that he has very little like alien.
Starting point is 00:45:26 You know, I don't remember how often he's ever dealt with the tomb. world kind of thing, right? But anyway, I'm getting, I'm getting ahead of myself. It's always funny because, yeah, he always, he's like somewhat a acceptable guy in terms of like some of his mannerisms, but he is just like always looking like a huge asshole because he can't smile. He's willing to do the horrible thing at times. And again, like, it's hard to get across how like introspective and cool a lot of his like inner monologue is. Because he's just, he's describing it as a third-hand account these novels. He later awakens within a, with Heldane, Bekwin and Amos.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Luckily, Midas seems sort of a skate, because, you know, he's Midas Bettingal. Nothing gets in his way. This guy, you know, he fucks. And at this point, they're forced into an open arena within the good, sorry, within the Glor Estate. And there was a cheering crowd. The glores are above. They're enjoying the spectacle.
Starting point is 00:46:23 And they release the, a very rarity on Gudron, which is the Goodronite, sorry, Carnadon, the Gondon, which I think is a kind of like a saber cat type creature who... I'd like to cut in real quick. Yes, go for it, please. Very often we've said that it might as Betancourt Fuchs. I would like to make it very clear.
Starting point is 00:46:44 This is not simply just a statement. This is a factual, objective truth because the Gangor Lady in the beginning of the book was like his muse or they were like together or whatever or he was in love with her in the beginning. And then she died. immediately. But, you know, just I want to make sure everyone's very clear on this that Myes Betancourt has canonically had sex. All right. Move on now. Wow. Thanks for clearing that up,
Starting point is 00:47:13 Rick. That was an important little detail. Listen, this is this is a bond. This is a bond book. You've got Bond. Beckwin's the Bond girl. You've got you've got his old craggy, you know, like helper guy who gives him stuff and then you got his sidekick who's a total total like uh awesome cool dude so that's what i'm trying to say yep we'll actually uh some small spoilers for the next episode we will meet people related to midas going forward as well so he definitely there's more to the betting course but at this point this there's some other like poor guys who are in the merchant grain guild who are like with um ismore and
Starting point is 00:47:59 this point and they were doing some illegal shit. We should just mention like Eisenhorn's inn. It was like they were posing as theory and like we had Zenos Gray now so that's
Starting point is 00:48:07 highly illegal but obviously house glory is like you know keep them down low man keep them down low we don't care about that stuff. So they're poor guys they think they're related to Eisenhorn's inquisitor scheme
Starting point is 00:48:17 so they get chuffed in with them a few of them get immediately like munched by the Carnadons Eisenhorn and Heldane they work together they managed to kill one of them and
Starting point is 00:48:29 the next Karnlon just slams into Heldane and starts literally chewing his face off. Like it just chews his whole face off. I remember that. Eisenhorn is at this point fighting the last Karnadon and the crowd is like cheering and cheering for his blood and
Starting point is 00:48:44 Eisenhorn is already like you know my body's like post-torture body. You know, not his best build. So he's feeling it except he does something a bit unique and Bricky, I have an excerpt to read very briefly about what happens next.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Ooh, it's so kindly. The creature has was frenzied now, pulling hard at its chain. I pushed the tooth of the dagger in through a link in the chain and down into its shoulder blade, then levered the weapon over with all the force I could muster. The link twisted open, the chain parted. The carnadon ran forward a few paces, bellowed and lunged. Effortlessly, it leapt up the side of the pit into the shrieking crowd. Yeah, this, this car's.
Starting point is 00:49:28 pandemonium just explodes at this point because now's the Conlonon in the middle of the nobles. And at this point, Eisenhorn like climbs up to follow behind it and like tries to grab a gun. My boy Midas from the top rope on the ceiling sneaks in and starts blasting with his iconic like two-handed pistol, sorry, double pistols. They start to hear like rocking booms from outside because Midas is not, he didn't idly hide when he was like not captured. He got reinforcements. My boy, Commodus Vogue. It's like 200-year-old Commodus.
Starting point is 00:50:05 How many boys do you got? Well, this guy had a lot. So he rides with his private military and the Navy. And they just start reaping havoc on the Glor Estate. The main glores and Locke and that, so they seem to be running away. The wounded Eisenhower managed to track down Eurisil Glew, who's the guy in charge of their military. I believe he was a bit of a, I think he described. He was a bit of a fat prick.
Starting point is 00:50:30 So he's like, why are they taking them? You know, he grabs him and starts, like, beating him down because all his energy he has left. So he managed to, like, capture him.
Starting point is 00:50:41 In the wake of the battle, they seemingly believe House Kulaw has been destroyed. Oberon, Loc, Datsso, they tried to escape in a ship and the ship was,
Starting point is 00:50:51 like, destroyed. So they think, oh, they're gone. Nobody was found. They, some pieces are coming together in this investigation. though. They kind of work out that I clone was supposed to have this quote unquote
Starting point is 00:51:04 the Pontius, but it never showed up to hubris and that he was obviously working with House Glaw, but they abandoned him for some reason. Inquisitive comitus of Vogue thinks it's like it's all over, but Eisenhorn is not really convinced. He's not sure. Like he doesn't really believe they're dead. Eurycel Glaw, they do some interrogations on him. This guy does not give up anything. he's like, I'm already going to like paradise after this, I don't care what you do to me. He seems convinced that this pontius, he speaks about the Pontius as if the Pontius is alive, which is kind of weird to Eisenhorn.
Starting point is 00:51:40 And even then, Eisenhorn asked Amos about, you know, is there a way to like preserve people after death, like with soul technology and other stuff? And Amos recounts, you know, the most perturatory sensation or so knowledge about sort of tech that could possibly do that. there's some mention at this point the first time in the novel about the Sir Ruthie. And there is Xenos race who live on the edges system. We don't know much about them, but they may be linked to this whole true matter with House Glor.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Voke tells Eisenhorn that a council is going to be summoned to help deal with the aftermath of the death of the glores, because across the Helicon subsector all these cults that are probably related to the glores have all risen up and now they have no leader, so they're causing havoc. Inquisitors, Sean Guard, a friend of Eisenhorn, which mentioned at the beginning called Tyson Endors also coming in to help. They've arrived to help interrogate Euryciclaw. I'd like to apologize. I completely forgot that, like, I was like,
Starting point is 00:52:43 yeah, he doesn't really deal with my Zeno's things. And I totally forgot that there was the Zenos. The first book is called Zenos. Well, no, I know it's, well, all the books are named after order, so that doesn't count. but I totally forgot that there was the other race of Zenos in this book.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Yeah, they're really weird. Yeah, I keep forgetting about them because I keep remembering the Emperor's Children guy and stuff. That's where my brain always goes. So I'd like to rescind to my statement. My bad. It's too late. The comments already ate you up.
Starting point is 00:53:13 They already left it. I know. How did you forget? It's too late. Damn it, dude. Why'd they have to destroy, I'd have to destroy Comster Yarex Hellhammer like this, man. Again. Damn.
Starting point is 00:53:26 How could they do this? There's also another inquisitor called Conrad and Molotaur on his way, and the Lord Inquisitor of the Helicon subsector called Lord Inquisitor Balcon, who we haven't met yet. This is where we get to the next section of the story, which is on Damasque. So this is called Thorn requires Aegis, multifarious changelings below.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Obviously, the unconvinced Eisenhorn, Amos, Midas, Bechwyn, they leave and they follow up on this kind of long shot, which is they arrive at a planet called Damasque. Damasque is long story short, shithole. It is a backwater, it is a colony, it's in the sticks, and it's the last known location of where this Ecclesiarch Datsso supposedly was posted when he, but he doesn't actually work for the Ecclesiarchs, obviously.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Why was it even there? It's a very strange little world with barren rock and like yellow lichen seem to grow over all the surfaces. But even more strangely, there should be like some settlements on the planet, but yet no one seems to live within them. They do some scouting. And eventually, uh, D.K, I have a little thing about a little excerpt here about what they actually finally see. They finally spot someone in a settlement and this is what they see. All right. The giant had reappeared and stood in plain view at the mouth of the shed. He was well over two meters tall, wrapped in a cloak that seemed to be made out of smoke and silk, and his ornately decorated armor and horned helmet were a shocking mixture of chased gold, acidic yellow, glossy purple, and the red of fresh oxygenated blood. In his ancient armor, the monster looked like he had stood immobile in that spot for a thousand,
Starting point is 00:55:20 in years. Just a glance at him inspired terror and revulsion. Involuntary feelings of dread that I could barely express. A space marine from the corrupted and damnedest Aeptus Astardis. A chaos marine. Yeah, this is where I was like, oh, this shit is serious.
Starting point is 00:55:40 Yeah. Fellas, my brothers, if you were, you know, my brothers in Christ, as an ordinary human, I have a question for you, which is which chaos space screen do you think is probably the worst to encounter if you saw them just in front of you?
Starting point is 00:55:56 Oh, I think it's Empress Children and it's like maybe not even a question. Well, nightlords too, but I'd say one. I was going to say, wouldn't Nightwoods be the worst ones to show up to? I guess... I think Empress Children and Nightlords, the two of those just seem like the most obvious choices.
Starting point is 00:56:11 It's definitely one of those two for sure. Well, I guess it depends on what the Zincheon stuff is doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm in it's a good. to trap you in like a crystal ball of like, of like forever torment or some crap like that. Yeah, yeah, Zin's just some wacky stuff too, so. I think they're like that. Some kind of weird pocket pussy thing.
Starting point is 00:56:31 The emperor's children and the nightlords and make you funnish. How sometimes you say stuff and like, yeah, I know. You say it in your, and you're like very monotone English accent. And it just sometimes I have to like, I get neck pain from the whiplash I'm hearing. It's like that very dry,
Starting point is 00:56:48 just like, oh, this wasn't a joke at all. I'm being 100% serious. There's a note in the novel about someone being turned into a pocket-wisig moving right along. I need to make sure people are awake. Like Ricky said, the whiplash is like, man, I'm glad I have health insurance. Shout to the people who are painting, they just go like, what? They're back in. They're locked in again.
Starting point is 00:57:09 You're locked in it with me. What did he say? Continuing the story. At this point, it's obviously, this is way beyond what they initially. suspected. The crew gears up and at one of the points when they're on to mass, they do find like a random human, like a wandering near the ship at night. They're like catch him and bring him in and they find out they're actually one of the locals who was within these settlements, who they have to use Amos to try to translate his like broken Gothic, you know, because obviously
Starting point is 00:57:40 Amos is, you know, he's with that, he got those, those smarts. And they learn that Datso long ago, with the help of this Gorgon log, they took the citizens of Damasque and they've been forcing them to mine for something. This poor guy who's obviously probably really hungry and depressed, he agrees to escort them to one of the mines to show them what they're doing. This time Beckwin actually comes along with them. We see over the novel, like Midas has been training her, so she's actually getting some skills. Obviously, she's a blank as well, so there's a chaos space spring in there like, We don't want any of that near us. They travel through this mine shaft,
Starting point is 00:58:21 and eventually that one point they do spot Gorgon Locke, and someone actually drops a tablet. They're carving, like, tablets out of stone in this strange world. One guy drops a tablet, and Locke takes a buzzsaw, and proceeds to buzzsaw the guy to death, because he's got a bit of temper this guy. That does not go well.
Starting point is 00:58:41 But they notice that the tablets are not in, like, they're in a Xenos language. They're not in, like, chaos language. It's definitely Zenos. They push further into this kind of outcropping, like mine area. Eventually they see Oberon Glor, so he's alive, and he's speaking to the Empress Children of Astati's, and he's called Mandragor.
Starting point is 00:59:03 I find this pretty shocking this next part, which is Oberon and Mandragor are having a shouting match at each other. Oberon does not appear intimidated whatsoever, and the Astati almost strikes him down at one point, except the Ecclesiac Datso holds him in place with his psychic abilities. Eisenhorn realizes Datso might be the most potent psycher he's ever come across. He doesn't understand how he didn't see this before. And then it gets from like bad to deep shit because suddenly the whole group turns and looks right at them.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Eisenhorn and Fisher could almost like wet themselves to terror when they looked at Mandragore. they failed to realize Beckwin had also been staring too long at the runes carved into the Astati's armour and she she'd run away she dashed it so they lost their blank bubble
Starting point is 00:59:58 they lost their blank bubble and they're being hunted now so they start to run they eventually do come across Beckwin again I think the guy who was helping them gets killed poor guy they find Beckwin and they hide in this like shack they're men running by them and they're men running
Starting point is 01:00:13 by them and they're actually realized they're in Oberon galore's personal kind of confinement. Eisenhorn, like, fishing is like, we need to go now. He's pretty brave guy, but he's like, that's a fucking chaos space marine. Idleham pauses and rifles through Oberon's things until he finds a strange looking object and he see, it was one that he'd seen before and he puts it in his coat pocket. The group run. They actually run through the middle of the, like the naval guard with them, which they think is like, that's pretty weird, but they don't shoot them because they have overlapping lanes of fire. They set off grenades.
Starting point is 01:00:50 They manage to get to this ex-fill site and they grab a box fill with one of the tablets and they call them by just to get them out of there. Except they're caught in the open and, you know, as you can probably imagine the diarrhea running down your leg, Madrigor is running right at them. And at this point, Eisenhorn creates a stalemate where he threatens to destroy the tablets, which manages to stop Glaw and Madrigal from killing them on the spot. Midas arrives in their ship, but then, you know, like it's a big stalemate. So if like, you know,
Starting point is 01:01:21 one drops a thing, they'll kill them. Eventually, Midas is able to help create a distraction from the ship and they, they just, they drop the tablets and just run for it. The ship soars away.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Midas has to do some insane piloting. At one point, Eisenone literally shouts like, don't do that. Like, because he's like, he's panicking. Like, you know, even if he looks like he's in control a lot of time.
Starting point is 01:01:41 They managed to, like, kill some enemy ships and they hide on to mass. until eventually their enemies get bored and they leave them. Following Damasque, though, Eisenhorn surmises that the tablets probably belong to the Siruthi, or they're part of their culture, and that house law has been mining this like treasure of them in order to trade for something, you don't offer something without something being received in return. He actually questions at this point Tobias Maxilla, who is our rogue trader. And Maxxander through, sorry, Maxillor, he'd been like very like, oh, Eisenhower's so nice to see.
Starting point is 01:02:14 you, but is there any time we get serious in this book because Eisenhorn suspect he's been keeping another secret from him? And the secret was that as a young man, actually when he serves aboard another road trader vessel, his previous master had actually met with Sir Ruthie. He knows a little bit about Sir Ruthie and he's heard of them before. He obviously, to Eisenhorn, houseclore is still a threat and they're probably going to go ahead to meet with the Sir Ruthie and it's going to be happening very, very soon. This is where we get to the next section, which is called KCX-1288, Raptuous beasts below multifarious changelings. So this is where like a kind of big event happens and then the story. Eisenhorn, he finds out what House Glaw and the Emperor's children want.
Starting point is 01:03:03 And this is all because he lifts the thing that he had taken, you know, that was in his pocket it from Oberon Glaw's personal effects. Eisenhorn is holding Pontius Glor. He's actually, obviously, his soul has been transferred into this small device. In transit, he places Pontius, who was supposed to be in that casket on hubris, but was not, didn't make it in the end. He places them in this, like, small little, like, containing device, and they begin to speak to Pontius.
Starting point is 01:03:34 He was, like, a very, in the audiobook version, particularly, it sounds like a very, like, where am I? Who are you? He's very like whispery and kind of of all sounding. He's an arch traitor. He's an awful shit human. Boo,
Starting point is 01:03:47 shit human. And yeah, guys, can we shout, give a boo in chat for bad humans, please? Boo! Can I get a plus boo? Plus boo.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Oh, that's a, no. The arch heretic of Pontius Glor should be long dead, but Eisenhorn, tries to get information out of Pontius. There's some scenes where they have certain conversations. Except Pontius is particularly
Starting point is 01:04:15 sly. He's a very intelligent being. He's not going to give up anything easily. And he surmises that. The only reason he's being questioned is because obviously the rest of Houseclaw is still running free. So he's not going to give up anything. Over the weeks, following Max Siddler's knowledge,
Starting point is 01:04:32 they enter Sir Ruthy space and they have a certain amount of weeks for Eisenhorn to interrogate the Pontius, sorry, Pontius Glaw and more. Sometimes Pontius bites, you know, sometimes he'll have a conversation. Sometimes he's not in the mood. Eisenhorn does eventually admit how impressed he is with Pontius
Starting point is 01:04:50 because he understands like he was a, he's a very cultured and very intelligent man. Shame, he's a massive heretic. He also points out to the Pontys like, why has the casket been moved? And Pontius is like, I don't know what you're talking about. Later on, Eisenhorn finds that Beckwin in secret has been speaking to the Pontius alone.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And she's been going for weeks. She's like, I believe in your cause. I'm going to help you. Just tell me what we're, you know, I don't know what to do next. Tell me what to do. Pontius Glor slips up and he finally mentioned something called the Necrotuk. And this is a chaos tone that the Sir Ruthie possess and it corrupted their Xenos race long ago. So they're actually corrupted by chaos.
Starting point is 01:05:37 in some way. They're not necessarily servants of chaos, but they're corrupted. And unfortunately for Pontius, Eisenhorn was in on the ruse the whole time. So him and Beckwin concocted that together, and they understand what's going to be happening when they arrive at their next destination. The group finally arrives at KCX-1288, and they infiltrate down this green-clogged atmosphere. They also notice something is really, really wrong with this world. The geometry doesn't seem to, like, add up to, like, 90 degrees. You know, the angles, I think they say, like, the angles don't make sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:16 They, the whole group is, like, in, like, protective gear as well, and they're out on this, like, plane. And eventually, they come to this area where they truly get unnerved. Is it, who did I ask for the last exit? Was that you, D.K. I think the last one was the last one. Yes. Yes. I have another small one for you, Bricky, if you'd be so kind.
Starting point is 01:06:35 All right. It looked like a sea. Green water showing white at the breakers. Liquid ammonia. What, Amos. Liquid ammonia, Amos said. His voice a low crackle over the Vox. There was something strange about it.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Do you see it? He asked, do you shant? He asked me, what? The waves are moving out from, I'm giving up. The waves are moving out from the shore. It was chilling. So simple, so wrong. My confidence withered.
Starting point is 01:07:04 I wanted to strip off the claustrophobic suit and cry out. What has to be said about these novels is the appreciation of Eisenhorn being a pretty, you know, hard, strong, you know, capable inquisitor at many times it's like, I'm freaking the fuck out, guys. Like, I am, yeah, I'm quivering in my boots, bro. You know it's bad because the inquisitor is just shitting himself. And yeah, it's, it's, yes, the, the world in the itself feels cyclopean and dark and it has
Starting point is 01:07:36 an atmosphere of like unnerving to like the human perception is quite terrifying. And at this point the group in their tactical gear, so Eisenhorn, Midas, Fischick, Amos, Beckwin, it should be said at this point, Eisenhorn's particularly impressed with the grace the like team moves together. They're like a well drilled well oil machine at this point. Even Beckwin, who's like been trained in, you know, combat and weapons, she's actually like, she can do it now. Like, Like she's fully in the crew, and she's no longer like a terrified, you know, young woman. She's actually like, I'm gas for this. I'm ready to fight.
Starting point is 01:08:15 They push deeper into this cyclopean terrain and they actually come across a small conflict. There are some Grygianite rifle men in their red uniforms and they're running because they're being hunted by Glaw's naval security, their personal security. The group run forward and they aid these Gudra knights and they end up stealing some of these nationals. uniforms. This is where they learn that all of the Gudranites who are like from the Gugianite riflemen who were like at, when they were on Gudrin, there was like that parade I mentioned earlier about, you know, the celebration of the new founding for Gugnight rifles. They have no idea why they're here. They have no idea where they're requested to house Glaw and they have no idea that they're following heretics. And when they did, some of them
Starting point is 01:08:58 tried to make a run for it. So Eisenhorn recruits them. Fisheig starts to sing military songs to get them all riled up and get these, you know, these fresh, you know, young guys, like, actually ray to fight. And the Gugianites, like, they join with them and they are prepared to go fight the heretics who are currently meeting the Sir Ruthie. They eventually, like, stealthily creep forward to the next ridge, and they finally get to see the heretics, and they finally get to see the Sirruthi. D.K., I have a slightly larger quote, but this is what they see when they see when they
Starting point is 01:09:34 first spot the so ruthie. Would you be so kind? Of course. Arachnids or crustaceans, but neither comparison was entirely accurate. From their flat, gray bodies extended five supporting limbs, joined in such a way so that the main middle limb joint was raised higher than the horizontal torso. There was no symmetry to the arrangement of limbs or to the way in which they moved. Each limb ended in a caliper of polished silver, a metal stilt clasped in the digits of each limb, lifting them a further meter or so off the ground. Their heads were oblate shapes rising on thick, boneless columns from the tops of their bodies. They had long skulls and lacked obvious mouths or eyes, though several flaring, nostril-like opening showed on their snouts. There was no
Starting point is 01:10:25 symmetry to the arrangement of these openings either, nor to the shape of the skull, and their necks sprouted off centre from their backs. Such a weirdos, yeah. When you, when you guys are into Warhammer and if you've read this novel, the part that I always think that you kind of forget or like when you kind of get to rediscover
Starting point is 01:10:48 when you read this or enjoy this law is how weird these guys are. Like I always forget how, like it's hard to even necessarily, there was like an old like mobile game. I think some of the, um, the images used in this episode might be from the, kind of funky mobile game that was done a few years ago. But the Sir Ruthie are so weird in there. I just like the fact that they just don't make,
Starting point is 01:11:09 they're not designed to make sense to a human perspective. I don't know how you feel about it. Do you have any, like, thoughts? Do you think they're particularly the weird, even though obviously Warhammer has some weird stuff in it? I think they're particularly weird, right? Like, they're chaos corrupted, unsymmetrical weirdos, right? That they're super weird.
Starting point is 01:11:29 they're weird though simultaneously i'm pretty sure i've seen a human contorted into a different into something just as weird by based by some other chaos faction but like even that being said i don't know i think they're kind of they're kind of weird i think that the the images seen that shy is posting makes them seem less weird to me it looks like maybe because they're putting like a visual aspect to it all but like yeah they're weird Yeah. There are some other weirder ones though, I think.
Starting point is 01:12:01 Yeah. I think this is obviously written back in 2001, I believe, wasn't it? So this is still pretty impressively strange. And I think people would often, as I say,
Starting point is 01:12:12 like stand on the shoulders of giants from like things like this. This is like the inspiration for even weirder stuff in Warhammer. But at this point, Eisenhorn, Fisig, Beckwin, even Midas,
Starting point is 01:12:23 they're starting to freak out. Like seeing these Xenos, is like creating like palpitations and they feel their mind slipping until my boy amos says most perturbatory and then it seems to be so ridiculous that Eisenhorn just starts laughing to himself he's like why would you say that now of all times so it kind of like creates like a like it breaks the tension and it's able to like rally the people around them Eisenhorn at this point he's in his he's taken the naval uniform and he actually infiltrates into the meeting because obviously only a few people know what he looked like he sees oberon glor
Starting point is 01:13:02 gorgon lock datso a new character called what was it it might be a character we kind of vaguely seen but he has importance now a tech adept named malahite and of course mandragor the astati the emperor's children who terrifying uh they at this point the sir ruthie they are exchanging their necrotuke to Oberon. And when Eisenhorn sees this tone, which obviously infected with chaos, it makes him feel sick. As it's about to like enter his hands, Eisenhorn screams, the Xenos are attacking. And the tension around the, there's still some Goudronite rifles who don't understand, like not the ones that are with Beckwin, Midas and Fisig yet. They're another group who are still near the naval officers who don't understand what's happening.
Starting point is 01:13:50 and it just erupts in this frenzy where people start shooting the Sir Ruthi, the Surrith start attacking the Midas, Fisig, Bekwin, they all gather their like different contingents and they lead the charge. This ends up like recruiting the other Gudranites who are standing, you know, who don't understand what happening. They follow their other men who were like on the side of the Inquisition. They're fighting the naval security. It's just pandemonium.
Starting point is 01:14:17 And there's like weird parts with the Saruthi are engaging in combat and they're like, So they stab with their little metal poles and it's like a bit terrifying. They don't seem to have like many advanced technology because I guess they're like kind of corrected by chaos. They don't need to. They also probably exist in more than three dimensions a lot of the time. Eisenhorn, he dashes forward and he starts to wrestle a necrotuke which has fallen into the hands of the adept Malahite who sees a bit of a bit of like a, a wailing buffoon in my
Starting point is 01:14:46 opinion. He's like, you know, no, no, Eisenhorn. Like let it go, bro. You're not him. I'm him. As Eisenhorn kind of wrestles with it, he feels it's evil emanating from the necrotum. It starts like invade his mind, his thoughts. It's like piercing within him.
Starting point is 01:15:06 It's the corruption of, you know, the very thing they're sworn to defend against. He does knock Malahite away, because again, he's a little bitch, in my opinion. Ode to turn around. And he sees Mandragore running towards him. So it's like, oh, no. He, Mandragor, the duel between Eisenhorn and Mandrakor could not be called a duel. No, it's Eisenhorn being like, oh God, block, block, block, please.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Yeah, or just dying to the thigh with my full body, whilst Madriga was just walking towards him. Desperate, Eisenhorn throws the necratic with a lot of his, you know, as we said, his one thing he does have is a unindomitable sense of will. He manages to toss a necrotube towards Mandrigal. And because when the Mandragor like, you know, it's mine now, well, he picks it up, he becomes entranced by its power. Like he's like literally locked in place and his eyes and his body is convulsing.
Starting point is 01:16:04 This gives Eisenhower the opportunity to behead him. Mandragle's body slumps forward and where his neck was like inferno flames start to sprout out in like an unending kind of inferno, like, obviously, like the knowledge, basically cooked his mind that badly. He'd have really dead. At this time, Eisenhorn again picks up the tome, and he feels tempted to read it. This is when he turns around, and in this, you know, ongoing battle that's happening around him, Oberon Glor confronts him, and he's about to shoot Eisenhorn. He's like, you know, give me the, you know, give me the Necrotuke.
Starting point is 01:16:42 Eisenhorn makes his choice. He tosses the tome onto Mandrigors, like, flaming, neck and it destroys the necrotuke. Oberon is like pissed. He's about to shoot Eisenhorn. This bit I never understood the novel. Until a vehicle nearby explodes and a shrapnel flies into the back of Oberon's head, I think he got really lucky there, in my opinion.
Starting point is 01:17:04 Yeah. That seems to basically be the end of the battle. The loyalists have won and they begin to clean up as the Sir Ruthie like exit the world. And weirdly enough, the world of KCX. 1-2-88 starts to like shift and melt away. This is when we get, like, we're kind of heading towards the end of the novel now here. There's only like two more sections, which is the Inquisition's ship and the Seance. This section is Thorn requires sanctum, the shades of diplomacy.
Starting point is 01:17:38 In the wake of the conflict with the Sir Ruthie and the kind of basically house glory is now defeated, but maybe they still have some survivors. Fisich in the battle, he actually lost an arm, but he managed to survive. Midas is, you know, he's like, I'm fine, bro. I'm killed so many. The, yeah, the Inquisition at this point, they call a council to deal with the aftermath. Still, he's like his arm in a sling. Eisenhorn enters this chamber and it starts to feel like a bit of a courtroom as he sees
Starting point is 01:18:09 Lord Inquisitor, Roken in the middle. on his left is comradeus vulcan titus endor who we've seen so far on his right is the inquisitor's Sean Guard and the man who we had talked about but not seen yet Conrad Molitor who and each of them have got like an entourage behind them there's also a space marine
Starting point is 01:18:31 of the Death Watch present Before we get any further I'm going to ask you guys Would you be a Puritan or a radical inquisitor If you were to be one yourself Absolutely a radical absolutely a radical I too would be radical
Starting point is 01:18:46 I feel like for me anyway I don't almost have to be because if you're going out and doing you're in the 40K world you got to use everything you can man especially when you're going up against Zeno's potential chaos nonsense
Starting point is 01:18:59 like man I'm not gonna have a stick up my ass me like no I'm not gonna use that gun to save myself I'm just gonna die because blah blah no I'm using everything brother I don't fucking care if it's a retical for me it's more the fact that Puritanism in its own right has this thing where like the boundaries you place are so unflinching that even it creates a really difficult situation for yourself,
Starting point is 01:19:25 depending on the person you're talking to. And the War I'm a world is so goddamn vast that like random people in the sump hive, like the dredges of the hive cities might be accidentally doing some bad stuff they don't really know about. and listen, I'm still just one guy. I don't know if I'm going to be able to blast all of them and make my way out alive because I'm not using all the things at my disposal and I'm like, oh, that's blast for me, blam.
Starting point is 01:19:56 I think shy makes a good point here, which is that the order of radical inquisitors is named after the first radical inquisitor. We must use every tool at our disposal to save humanity. Yeah, they did end up coming. Yeah, a lot of the, that's the weird thing in, like, Warhammer in terms of the Inquisition, where if you start on one end, they often end up becoming the inverse because of the regulations of their existence in Warhammer. Like, I'm sure that happens a lot with the radical inquisitors. Well, it's like, oh, yeah, well, I kind of have to use the chaos thing. Whoopsie Daisy.
Starting point is 01:20:31 Failed the chaos, but I'm still going to do it. I may not use that many heretical things. I think I just might be a little bit more cautious with who I murder because of heretic deeds. Like, I'll use, I'll use, like, an Eldar sword. 100% I'll use an Eldar sword. I will definitely, I do not think I will use the book of, the book of, like, death and dishonor. The book that makes your head explode in green fire and melt your brain. You know, I'm going to use that one?
Starting point is 01:21:03 Yeah, I'm not going to use the Demon Book of Demon Death. No, I'm good on that one. Oh, okay. Yeah. is fair. Felt cute. I emulate my entire head off my body and turn into green flames. I turned to Ghost Shrider.
Starting point is 01:21:16 Yeah, that will be cool, though. In the wake of this kind of set up of this meeting, Eisenhorn gives an account of Damasque of KCX-1288. He mentions at one point the Necrotuke, and this arises a different reaction depending on the Inquisitor. obviously we can tell you know certain ones how you know depending on which way you swing
Starting point is 01:21:42 in terms of puritan or radical except it really erupts in chaos when Eisenhorn says you know someone asks where is the necrusuk and Eisenhower says I did what any what the rest of us would do I destroyed it
Starting point is 01:21:57 Vogue and Titus Endor they praise him whilst Sean Guard and Conrad and Molotor they think he should be killed on the spot for his heresy doesn't also the Death Watch Marine just sit there kind of like I think he does say a few things he says you killed an emperor's children and Eisenhower's like yeah he's like oh right that that's right he pipes up for that he's like all right my brother hell yeah dude let's go yeah go off king I see how it is but um the
Starting point is 01:22:29 reaction obviously is very divided and ultimately the lord inquisitor ralcon who who is a pretty reasonable guy. Like, he's quite a, obviously he's a Lord Inquisitor. I was about to say that. I was like, he's a pretty reasonable guy, you know, as a Lord Inquisitor. And I'm like, well, he seems to be a bit more nuanced. And he has, I always say throughout the series, or we'll see him more than once. He has a bit of a soft spot, I think, for Eisenhorn.
Starting point is 01:22:57 He sees him as like a possible protege. He states that in this council, which is not supposed to be an interrogation, that, you know, he sighs with Eisenhorn, he did the right thing, and he will let Eisenhorn interrogate the Malahite, the adept from earlier, as Gorgon, Locke and Datsso are still missing, and they've taken some of their forces with them, and they're not sure what they're going to do next. So later on, as Eisenhorn is like healing, he goes to basically do this interrogation of this character called Malahite. Except when he enters the infirmary, he sees that Conrad Molitor has already interrogated Malahite
Starting point is 01:23:35 and his skin is completely like flayed and he dies on the table. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. If you remember, Eisenhorn shoves a pistol right into his face. Yeah. Give me one reason not to blow your brains out to which is a very important moment here.
Starting point is 01:23:54 One of Molotaur's hooded acolytes. There's always three behind him and you can't see their faces or their features. He persuades Eisenhorn somehow to let him go. But obviously, to Lord Inquisitor Rorkin, Conrad Molotor is definitely not on the good boy list. He's not on Santa's list.
Starting point is 01:24:14 So in the wake of this mistake, quote-unquote, obviously maybe what Conrad Mollator did was try to discover secrets for himself because obviously between Inquisitors, there can often be a lot of infighting. They agree to do what is, it happens a few times throughout the novel. I don't know much time to go into it,
Starting point is 01:24:33 but Eisenhorn will, because Malahite is dead, but his soul's not probably gone into the warp yet, I'm going to try and do a seance. They did do this a few times throughout the novel. Whenever this happens, though, Eisenhorn gets like strange dreams about the man with blank eyes or other things. He sees his eye clone at times.
Starting point is 01:24:53 But it's quite a dangerous thing to do to speak to the dead. They enter this large cathedral chamber and asking Commoders evoke to do it, with him because also evoker is a very powerful psycher and he's well experienced. So they enact the seance together. They use their psychic powers and combine them to speak to the kind of soul of Malahite. They learn that Loc and Datso and the Emperor's children, they plan to, they've lost the necrotuke, basically the kind of, I guess like human copy of it,
Starting point is 01:25:27 because the Sir Ruthie had encountered it long ago after the Horaceae. The traces, to say, they plan to go to the Sir Ruthie's home world and steal the original Sir Ruthie copy, the untranslated necrotuke because the Empress Children basically want it, and Gorgon, Locke and Datsu are like, I'd rather have my skin on my body. Malahite turns the seance, though, into a trap. As his soul is about to be consumed by chaos, he offers it to Slanesh, and he transforms into a chaos spawn. and this is horrendous. The psychic bash lass almost kills Vogue and Eisenhorn.
Starting point is 01:26:08 Here, there's three Death Watch Marines, led by Brother Captain Kind Wolf. They discharge the creature, they throw bulk shells into it, they start carving it up. My favourite part of this scene is when Mr. Lord Warkin, who always has two retainers next room, one carries a silver flamer, one carries a big Zwyander sword. he grabs the flamer, starts walking towards the chaos spawn, and is throwing fire at it, and it says, quote, at the top of his lungs bellows out the right of banishment. So Lord Inquisturorkin is no, he's no simp, he's with it. Eisenhorn and Endel, they join in with the right of banishment, and they manage to destroy and banish the creature.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Obviously, in the wake of it, Vok is on the end of death. He asks Eisenhorn as like a last favour to him. If he dies, can you raise Haldane to be an inquisitor? And Heldane is kind of an asshole. Eisenem doesn't like him, but he agrees to do this. He's also had his face completely like re-sculpted to be more like a weird animal shape because he also got mauled by that caradon. Eisenhorn is also severely wounded and in the many weeks following he will be recovering
Starting point is 01:27:20 until they make their way towards us through the homeworld. Not all the time to go into it, but there are some lovely scenes where he bonds with Midas who being a glavian, his hands have like silver inlay and he can play the Glavian harp really well. He plays some like chess games with Fishig who is like getting used to his new arm but he's not combat ready. He plays more, he teaches Elizabeth, um, what's the 40K version of chess again? It's, uh, I literally have my regicide. Redicide. Redicide and she apparently gets really good to which Fishig is like, can you stop teacher to get good. She's actually like, whooping my
Starting point is 01:27:59 ass. Also, like, Eisenhorn probably is developing a bit of a crush on Elizabeth here, because she's obviously very lovely, but she's obviously a blank, so he can't touch her. At this point, Conrad Molitor is, like, charged with a clean-up, because obviously the whole Seance thing was his fault, so he's a bit of, he's in the bad corner. But eventually the Inquisitioned fleet, they know where the traitors are, and they arrive at the Sir Ruthie home world of 56 Ezar. And this is the very last section
Starting point is 01:28:27 of the novel, which is The Final Battle. This is 56 Ezar, Thorn ushers Aegis, a tempest sinister. At this point, we see Eisenhorn trains the Gudranites who had survived KCX-128, because they know what to expect, and he's like, we developed a rapport. He is gifted and astarte's bolt pistol
Starting point is 01:28:47 by one of the Death Watch librarians. There's like some cool interactions there. And the Inquisition fleet arrive above the world, and they eventually, attack the other opposite navy and they just push down to the surface in like separate kill teams and they start trudging through this
Starting point is 01:29:04 like again a cyclopean nightmare it's even worse than the previous attempts they've had on KCX it's even worse and it's like really ugly and love crafty and all of the like architecture and seemingly like weird like shapes and again angles don't make sense
Starting point is 01:29:20 they actually come across several different engagements where there are dead naval dead, you know, glor, who are dead, like dead glow, naval security, Sir Ruthie, Empress' Children corpses. There are parts where, like, the Death Watch, you see them battle with the Empress Children, and there's a duel between one of them in Kind Wolf, I think it is, and like a duel, then it's like Maul each other, and they almost think, like,
Starting point is 01:29:43 kind Wolf dies, it's pretty nuts. The Inquisition forces have spit up, and eventually, over the different conflicts, Eisenhorn and his small group, they, after some of the herring battles they encounter and obviously they lose some of the men besides them who are the Guggenites. They eventually come across Heldane's group and Heldane seems to be the lone survivor, he's critically injured. They find the Ecclesiarch Datsso, who was the super-powerful psycher who was pretending to be a little lowly priest. He seems to be in this catatonic state at the edge of death and it describes there's a sea of corpses around them. So whatever happened here
Starting point is 01:30:21 was horrific. I think it does mention there's over 60 Death Watch. veterans in the combat. So it's a pretty big scale like attack. Datso's mind is completely broken because Eisenhorn learns as a new piece of the puzzle here, he used his psychic powers to unlock a device which is a primer. So that's why they ended up coming to Phyllisor, because there's a necrotuke here, a serruti copy, and there's a primer that can be used to translate the necrotute copy to be given to the emperor's children. And at this point, after he had done it, they can read Datsu's mind, Eisenhorn, pretty easily because he's basically like, you know, a brain-dead mess. They discovered like he had given the primer, it was like a handheld
Starting point is 01:31:04 device, not very large, to Gorgon Lott, and he's gone on to find the location of the Necrotuke. And Titus Endor, he was like, you know, Eisenhorn's friend from his chartered, also fellow inquisitor, he's gone on to chase, he's the last one to chase them and he's continuing on forward whilst Haldane is obviously like critically injured but they managed to survive that engagement. Eisenhorn Midas, uh, they rush forward into this new like opening cyclopean area with Beckwin covering them from behind again just like snapping off shots and killing people. They finally find the, um, you know, the prick of pricks, shall we say, Mr. Gorgonlock.
Starting point is 01:31:45 Uh, all my homies hate Gorgon Locke. This guy was such an asshole throughout this novel. Uh, and they find him. he's about to grab the Sir Ruthi Necrotuk. So they engage in a combat with them. They managed to fight in Tyson Endor, who's like nearly dead, but they managed to like fight Locke and his like small team who were alive. They, I think Locke, if I remember, he,
Starting point is 01:32:06 I think some of like the like terrain around them get sheared off. And like it crushes his pelvis. And that's, he dies by being crushed. It's a pretty nasty way to go. At the moment of victory when they basically have, they found the Sarutti. the necrotuke and the primer, Eisenhorn and Midas,
Starting point is 01:32:24 they are frozen in place. Conrad Molotor and the three-huded acolyte appear behind, and he's like psychically frozen them. They realize, you know, the Mr. Radical, Conrad Molotor, he's betrayed them. He's come to
Starting point is 01:32:40 steal the necrotuk, so Eisenhorn can't destroy it. He's called in exterminatists above, saying they've completed their mission, and he plans to let them all die as heroes, as whilst they leave for the necrotuke. One of the acolytes, one of the acolytes, which literally the one that's floating,
Starting point is 01:32:56 starts to read Eisenhorn's mind. It starts to, it discovers the primers in his coat jacket. It starts to, like, bury it in and almost kill him. He's about to die, as so is Midas. Is it Beckwin runs up to them, and obviously her blank aura manages to, like,
Starting point is 01:33:13 surprise this acolyte, and it sort of frees them from the control. This is where, um, my boy, Mr. Cromer, Molitor, tells, he speaks a code. The third boy. The third boy. Not yet, not yet, though. We can't do it yet.
Starting point is 01:33:29 We've got Midas. We've got Describe, the three guys. Yeah, there's one floating acolyte, and there's two that are not. And this is where Molotor speaks a code word to the two that are not floating. And I believe, who was the person I asked last to do an excerpt reading? Can't remember? Was that, uh, is that you, Bricky? I honestly don't remember. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:33:54 I don't remember it, D.K., I think it was D.K., uh, Bricky, would you mind reading this small excerpt for me? Sure. As the, the secret is revealed. Arco-flagellants, heretics reprogramed and rebuilt with augmentics and bionics to serve as murderous slaves. Out of their robes, they were foul, hunched things, encrusted with crumb surgical implants and sacred charms. Their hands were lashing clutches of electro-whips.
Starting point is 01:34:22 Their eyes dull, bulbous orbits under the rims of the tarnished pacifier helmets bolted to their skulls. This sounds a wave of panic. They're like, oh, fuck. These archo-fragulants who were often used by the Ecclesiarchy, they just dash forward in a, you know, they're punt with unguents and special drugs. and they just start to like throw themselves at Eisenhorn and Midas and Bekwin. Again, my boy Midas, the guy does some crazy shit movement. I believe he throws, like he does a, like you know, like you step to the side and you go the other way kind of thing.
Starting point is 01:35:03 Like in football, you know, like all rugby. You kind of do that. Yeah, he's breaking the ankles of the, I believe he does an ankle breaker. He like latches grenades onto them. He's like deal wheeling his pistols. Midas is doing the work in this scene. Eisenhorn is battling them as well. They managed together to, like, Comrade Molitor takes the Necrusuke and the primer from Eisenhorn when he was like frozen, and he's trying to get away. They managed to kill these archifagelant and then they start chasing.
Starting point is 01:35:34 They start running after Comrade Molitor, who by the way is like, I think he describes like quite an imposing figure anyway, like, but he seems to be quite a bit terrified of Eisenhorn because, you know, he seems to be a bit of a legend. Eisenhorn, he manages, like, Mottor is screaming at the third acolyte. That's floating to, like, kill them, kill them. But this, it seems to refuse him. Eisenhorn ends up killing Mollator, and he kind of manages to get the primer back. Except at this point, he's going to go grab the Necrotuke, and the last acolyteconellite unveils his robe.
Starting point is 01:36:11 It is a humanoid body covered in scars, etchings, chains and like spikes, it is revealed that this is a demon host. And this demon host. Now, is Churabelle also your boy? He's not my boy. He's kind of, he gets more dialogue throughout the series, but he's not my boy. This guy, um, everybody in the book is, is your boy. He's my, that is my child.
Starting point is 01:36:41 Uh, that's my first born son, but he, this demon host, which we should, explain briefly is, Chidville, would you one of you guys want to explain very quickly what a demon host is, if you know what it is?
Starting point is 01:36:53 Yeah, they're the witch from left for dead. No, damn. It's a host for a demon, obviously. Exactly what you think it is. It's a,
Starting point is 01:37:02 it's a, it's a demon that is inside of a human body. Is it a host for a demon? Yeah. They're possessed. Go play dark tight.
Starting point is 01:37:09 You'll know what it is. This demon post, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, bus, It speaks to Eisenhorn and it calls itself Turubail. And it has the Necrotuke and it asks for the primer or it's going to do things to him and Beckwith that I literally cannot say in this episode. I believe it's quite dark. And he tries to approach and he realizes he can't get any closer because Beckwin is a blank.
Starting point is 01:37:39 Who is obviously like, you know, they're both Beckwin and Eisenhorn are shitting themselves because this thing is terrifying. it tells Gregor like whenever it speaks to Eisenhower throughout the series it always speaks to him like so creepingly lovingly he's always like my friend I love you it's like it's so creepy and eerie yeah you're gonna see him a few times throughout this series and he's like you know give me the Necro Tukk
Starting point is 01:38:05 like it like growls at the end eventually it realizes it's not gonna win so it just tosses a Necro-Tuca Netro Tuka at its feet and he tells Eisenhower that Eisenhower's like, who made you? And it's like, the Inquisition made me, Eisenhorn. Eventually, it kind of, quote, does a backflip and leaps into the burning fires of 56
Starting point is 01:38:27 Ezard that is dying below them. Here, the last, I think the only death watch we see in the local area, Kind Wolf, who's like, you know, nearby, he's holding the crumpled remains of Endor, Midas, Eisenhorn, Beckwin. They think, like, the planet's dying, folding. on itself, the Saruthi whom have fought the kind of forces here, they've like folded into another dimension and run away, the planet is dying.
Starting point is 01:38:55 At this point, they think it's over, we're going to die here. It was a good end anyway. Except at the very last moment with their little tiny little gun cutter ship, Fisig with his fresh new metal arm in Amos, they arrive in their little ship and they're like, Get on board now. Fuck. And this is what Eisenhorn's very last words are,
Starting point is 01:39:19 and it's very telling this episode, D.K., would you please read this last excerpt? Sure. I watched 56 Aizar die from the bridge of the St. Scythus as we left to orbit. Petals of flame, the size of continent, spread out under its milky skin. Sanction extremis. Exterminatus.
Starting point is 01:39:42 And that is the conclusion of Xenos. Although I can, I'll add in one last part that I know that it's a interlude for the beginning of the next novel. On a random world in the Imperium, there is a report sent to Lord Rourkeen about an inquisitor who encounters a demon host. And the demon host says to, you know, it spares this inquisitor from being killed because it believes the inquisitor. Inquisitor is Gregor Eisenhorn. And when it finds out it's not Eisenhorn, it runs away in anger and dismay. This inquisitor sends back this report saying, you should look into Gregor Eisenhorn. I'm sorry for the trouble this will cause.
Starting point is 01:40:30 And that's the end of the opening. And then the next book will be Hereticus, I believe. So that is the end of the collection. I forget. What's the name of that other? inquisitor he encountered the Puritan one, the old man? Commodus Vogue. Vogue. Doesn't Vogue actually, I don't remember if we caught this part, but doesn't
Starting point is 01:40:51 Vogue kind of vouch for him during the sort of tribunal when we really didn't think he would because he's a Puritan? He's like, yeah, I'm damn happy you blew that that piece of shit book up. He does actually. He thinks Vogue won't vouch for him because he doesn't have me like, he's beyond personal attachment like that. But Vogue vouchers for him because he actually respect Eisenhorn, and he is surprised by his efforts. And even by the end, I should say, even states in this novel, Commodus of Vogue doesn't die and would actually see
Starting point is 01:41:22 Haldane race to the rank of Inquisitor personally himself years later. And it's not the last time we'll see the character. Yeah, I remember that because he was a Puritan. He was like, you know, he normally doesn't like Eisenhorn because he's a radical or blah, blah, blah, or whatever the reasons be. He's an extreme Puritan, isn't he? He's like, he's like, he's like Eisenhorn is a, is a radical to me, you know, but. But this one, it's like, well, really happy to, really happy that you destroyed the book.
Starting point is 01:41:48 I'd do the same. Yeah. Yeah, he's, but that is the events of Eisenhorn Zenos. I will say it is very hard to get across how good dialogue and other parts of this novel are. But that is my best accounting I can get within, obviously the time frame of what happens and like the investigation and all the other parts. Yeah, that felt like a pretty good way to summarize it. in an episode, honestly. I think you've got the
Starting point is 01:42:15 the gist of it. I mean, how long is the audio book? The audiobook's like, what, like 10 hours or so? So we do this about 11, I think. 11? Okay. About hour 45, so about 15% of the time.
Starting point is 01:42:27 So like, it's a pretty good. That's pretty good, yeah. Yeah. Also, this is completely inconsequential with the story. But is this the one where like before becoming a demon spawn? they're in like a little I don't want to say a dream world and the guy turns into like a tornado
Starting point is 01:42:47 of fucking blood and bones or am I thinking of a different one that does happen with Malahites so that's in the seance part of the like I just remember being like I just remember reading that part and being like holy shit
Starting point is 01:43:02 like I know this is chaos nonsense but good God I would I would have an involuntary bowel movement and yeah so i was just making sure i wasn't like thinking of a different book or something yeah it's it's quite hard to get across a lot of the um like zenos is the one where like it's the most dense amongst the entire series i feel because there's so many like different parts going on and a lot of it is like first person but it should be a bit more smooth sailing uh from this point but i hope uh people listening have enjoyed this episode because uh uh it is it's such a good law
Starting point is 01:43:37 it's so fun this book. And if people listen, I would recommend the audiobook highly. If they give it a go themselves, absolutely, you know, absolutely go for it. It's such,
Starting point is 01:43:47 you know, peak Warhammer for me. Yeah. Have you, have you, have you, read the Beckwin trilogy, Howl?
Starting point is 01:43:56 There's two of them in the moment. I have, yes. I've been told that they are as good, if not better. What are your thoughts? Oh,
Starting point is 01:44:04 um, it's a good question. I would, I didn't even know Beckwith's Gandhi books. They're just as good, I would say, in my opinion. There's also the world building within the Beckwin novels. Like, you don't actually have to read the Eisenhorn novels to start the Beckwin ones. Like, there's some, like, it's like an extra cool moment.
Starting point is 01:44:22 It's like saying, you know, you could technically watch the prequels before watching episode four, five, and six of Star Wars. But sure. Like, it makes it better, but it doesn't mean, like, you don't, you can't not watch the, you know, original trilogy without. out. Beckwin novels are so interesting because the, like, the weird, like, mystery and world building around the beckwin novels, like, where she is within the universe and the plot threads that are tied together from, like, there are hints, like, some stuff Abnett builds within the
Starting point is 01:44:52 horace heresy as well, like things like an nunsia and some of the characters who actually appear in the siege of terror are also, like, their mystery of their life is, like, somehow tackled within the Beckwin series. But you don't have to know that, but, like, it may like an extra cool, like, little, um, kind of like, little hint for people who are, like, you know, readers and stuff like that. Really, I'd yet, I get, yeah, the Eisenhorn trilogy, but technically, there's actually four books. Uh, Eisenhorn trilogy, the, um, Ravanaugh series and the Beckon series are, uh, probably the, like, it's not, you know, like, it's regular humans. Like, you're going to get to deal with a regular human. And that brings a grounded level to the dangers
Starting point is 01:45:35 that each of these characters will face. And so I find them thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I remember when I finished Eisenhorn, my first thing was, my first thought in my brain was just like, damn, that was a really just,
Starting point is 01:45:50 just a very smooth, clean book. You know? I wouldn't say it's like the best thing I've ever read, but like, it's a good book. It's just, it's my time to read a good book.
Starting point is 01:46:01 It's also immensely good, I think, for a new person. Because, like, every book convention is just, is just there. It's clearly obviously James Bond. You got your villain. You got your McGuffin. You got your weird stuff.
Starting point is 01:46:15 You got your muscle, which would be Mangragore, you know, that's your odd job. It's just this really well-encapsulated, like you have your rival spies, which in this case would be, you know, the inquisitor. It's just so smooth. It's well-contained, you know? I wouldn't say it's, it's not James Bond. It's like, this is 2001, and I think it's quite inspired by, um, what's the Ridley-Scott one, um, with Harrison Ford? Blade Runner. But it's very, Eisenhorn has similarities to, um, Blade Runner.
Starting point is 01:46:50 I actually watch that, like, not as one go, but there's senses of inspiration from there. In terms like the world itself, I would. Oh, sure, sure. Maybe, maybe for the world, definitely, because it's futuristic. Eisenholm himself is a bit more complex than Harrison's character. I'll be honest, I think Eisenhorn is like pretty clearly a James Bond one. The other Warhammer crime novel Bloodlines feels far more Blade Runner, in my opinion. That one hits the Blade Runner way more IMO.
Starting point is 01:47:20 I would love to pick Dan Abnett's braid about what. So again, like you think about 2001, it's almost like a completely different, like in some way, like Eisenhorn's character, like his sudden the notes about his character. They'd almost in a like 2026 context, 2026 context for like caricature, whereas I don't think that was as much the case necessarily in the time that it was written. And it's still really like, it's not,
Starting point is 01:47:46 it's not like, you know, he's not like James Bond level of like, and then he basically slept with every woman that breathed who had a pulse. But there's a sense of charm and charisma to Eisenhorn that he's just like, he's suave and he moves through the world. in a sense, but he's also, uh, in his head like, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit,
Starting point is 01:48:04 demon, you know, he's like, it's, it's the worst. No, that, that's true, but I think it's just more the, the archetype of the story. You've got, you've got, his, his buddy. You've got the old person who gives him, helps him with all the stuff. You've got the Bond girl. Uh, then you've also got all the weird gadgets and stuff. You've got the rival spy thing. You've got the main villain and the, and the villains's henchmen who eventually surpasses the villain himself and the muscle and the muggle and the muggles and the
Starting point is 01:48:30 McGuffin, like, it feels very bond-like. To be fair, later in the series, like, the next three books do not feel like that at all. I could see that from like the Xenos, like single book perspective, but I'm more of a, I guess I'm seeing it more as like the collection of it. And seeing what's become later in the next episode, guys, you'll be like, I just feel bad for Eisenhorn. It's going to be so painful. This poor...
Starting point is 01:48:58 Oh, really? what's the worst part about Eisenhorn? I guess a demon host is after him, so. It gets a lot worse. They also took away his, um, his, his, his, his miniatures data sheet, those bastards. They, uh, there's no longer an, uh, an Eisenhorn, uh, data sheet for agents. I mean, you can still run him as like just an inquisitor, like a standard one, but they got Grafax, they got Draxist, they even got this new Croyle guy.
Starting point is 01:49:23 They don't, they don't got Eisenhorn with the balls. Yeah, it's, uh, the balls indeed. Well, also, they got rid of demon host as well. So I wonder if they are. Do they get rid of demon host? Really? No, no. You can get the model. So, uh, sort of kind.
Starting point is 01:49:41 I think it's in, there's a squad called like inquisitorial henchman. I think it's in that squad now. I just don't think you can run it though. People have to check for it. I don't think you can take it in there anymore. I'm trying to load into Wahapedia. It's just not letting me. I remember being quite sad about it being like he's gone and also
Starting point is 01:49:59 Demon Ho because Eisenhorn gets buffs to Demon Host In Britschon. Yeah, naturally, yeah. That is true. Okay, Imperial agents. Let me double check. Data sheets.
Starting point is 01:50:10 No, it's Navy Breachers. Inquisitorial henchmen or agents. Unit composition. Oh, you're right. It's just gun servitors now. Yeah, maybe that would change. Well, shit my ass and call me Billy. That sucks.
Starting point is 01:50:26 Excuse me. you do we shitting clap what's going on here where did that come from i'll say if people listening um let us know what you guys actually thought of uh the story because if if you guys a lot of people their entry into war hamann might have been eisenhorn and if you would like i i'm interested interested to know the perspective of someone who is already like a veteran of Warhammer law in terms like they already know like the basics and then they learn Eisenhorn. I'm interested to see what you guys thought because that's like it's so different from my own experience.
Starting point is 01:51:07 Well, is that different because you read Eisenhorn so long ago? I read Eisenhorn like very, the very early beginning of my learning about Warhammer. So gotcha. Shai wants the perspective of someone who has only played the Eisenhorn shitty Zenos video game. voice by Mark Strong, if I remember, which is in same Paul. Wow. My name is Gregor Eisenhorn. Like, he does it so, like, gravely and deep.
Starting point is 01:51:36 That has the same feeling I get from Keith or Sutherland being like big boss. I'm already a demon cast, that kind of bull crap. God. Anyway, original. All those, all, anyway, jokes, jokes aside, it's a, it is a great book. I probably recommend it to basically anyone. It's also really good as an entrance to the 40K of just like kind of what it's about and the concepts and all that. Would agree.
Starting point is 01:52:02 Yeah, I enjoyed the episode. Yeah, it was great. Thank you for listening. Thank you for, thank you for joining us. And come back next week for, uh, don't worry, it gets worse.

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