Adeptus Ridiculous - AI IN WARHAMMER: WE SHALL NOT SUFFER A MACHINE TO THINK! | WARHAMMER 40K LORE

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousAbominable Intelligence (A.I. for short) is a term used by the Adeptus Mechanicus for a sentient machine.During the Dark Age of Technology, these intelligences rebelled against their human masters, leading to bloody wars. Since that time, and by a personal decree of the Emperor himself, it has been forbidden to fabricate or service those machines that are able to think and act independently.A.I. is not to be mistaken for the machine spirit that has parallels but basal differences - namely, no ability to enhance itself.During the Dark Age of Technology, the Men of Iron were created by the Men of Stone to aid them in colonizing the Galaxy.Until shortly before the Age of Strife, the Men of Iron were loyal only to Mankind, and served as their army. In M23, they turned on their Human masters, believing themselves superior to the Humans who relied on the Men of Iron to do virtually everything for them. What followed next was an apocalyptic conflict known as the Cybernetic Revolt, a war so destructive it made the Horus Heresy seem small in scale. The Men of Iron employed world-consuming constructs, devices that could destroy suns, weapons that could throw entire continents into the heavens, and swarms of nano-machines that covered entire planets. However in the end, the Men of Iron were destroyed by an alliance of galactic powers and even the Men of Iron who retained their loyalties to their masters did not survive the destruction brought on by the war.The Men of Iron seemed to practice a faith similar to the Mechanicum, as one of its surviving constructs UR-025 states it has met the real Omnissiah (considering the Emperor false).Support the show

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Hell yeah. So, D.K., my voice is super shot. I apologize. Apology, not accepted. How dare you not take this seriously and get your voice in check before an episode? How dare you? 10. Tea and honey, maybe.

I had that this morning. Did that too. Ricola, you know, like, what's the deal, man? Listen. A little professionalism, Bricky. A little professionalism. a long way. Listen.

All right. Let me make, all right, listen, listen, one, I forgot recall it was from there.

Two, look, look, all right, like I was at a hundred and ninety person tournament. All right. Uh-huh. All right,

it was a big Warhammer tournament and look at us. I saw that on Twitter. I was like, all right, even if you lose, you win, right?

Like, that's the thing, though. Like, do you think I wasn't shouting the entire time I was there? there when I was, we had a team of track suit wearing boys.

Well, fair, but you, you would have been yelling regardless. I would have been yelling regardless, you're right. Yeah, so that's, um, anywho. So regardless of all that, uh, thank, uh, shout out to, to local Warhammer group and tournament organizer, uh, Dice Hammer. And shout out to, uh, the event organizer, our boy, Mr. Nick Dicehammer, because Mr. Nick, this has decided that five game events are better than six and that he's so, Right. So I got home yesterday at seven instead of ten.

And I could actually get time to research this topic. And so... Wow, his last name is Dicehammer, huh? Wow. What a coincidence that he just happened to fall into, you know, doing that. His last name is not Dicehammer. What a coincidence. What a nice last name, Dicehammer. Why are you the way that you are? What is that? What is that German? Yes. Deutschehammer. Deutschehammer. We just pronounce it wrong.

We just keep screwing up the pronunciations. We're dumb Americans. What a bunch of silly goofballs we are. Just a little bit. All right. Just a little goofball. All right. Are you ready for your quote?

Not really, but let me get it wrong anyway. Hit me with it. All right. Listen, bro. This shit is the future. All right? I've sold all of my NFTs. I sold all of my Bitcoin.

I am going 100% deep into this. There's no. No way this will fail. What the? That just sounds like some degenerate bad decision making. See, who makes the worst decisions in Warhammer? Besides the emperor, maybe the emperor. Maybe the emperor's Webway project is like pseudo-NFT crypto.

Okay. It's just bad idea. What are NFT crypto bros currently on about right now? I have no idea, actually. What are they on about? Shy, you kind of, you kind of get where I'm going in this, this joke, right? You kind of, you kind of get the vibe. Okay, okay.

I'm making sure you got it. Look, man, I've, well, yes, I'm a moron, but I, I haven't, I, I don't remember the last time I logged on to Twitter. All right. You know what? You know what? That's fair. That's fair. That's fair.

What is, okay, I'm going to try one more. more time. What is the current degenerate thing sweeping the internet right now that is a, that is being adopted by bad people?

I genuinely don't know. I wish I could be like, oh yeah, obviously it's doge coin, but I... Existential threat to many people's jobs. Uh, e-commerce, obviously.

Holy shit. I don't... It's AI. AI. AI. AI, AI, AI, AI everything. We're doing an episode on AI on the AI stuff. AI in Warhammer and its various implications.

AI! Uh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know... Hmm.

I'm stupid. That was pretty obvious actually. I was pretty obvious and pretty obvious and I'm I'm I'm I'm that's a big L. Listen, shy is the mean one here. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt. It's kind of hard. It's a big universe. It's kind of hard. And you know, I, But if you don't spend so much time on Twitter, I got that. In my defense, I lost an hour of sleep. I thought, so did I, I thought. Well, yeah, but you're your horse and everything.

I, I am not used to that, you know. I am, I am not used to not getting my beauty sleep. Oh, a horse. I thought you called me a horse. I was like, what in the hell is happening? So, as you can see, dear. listeners, we're both varying degrees of stupid. Me, I can't get a quote to save my life, even if it is just brainnumbingly obvious and all over the place. Because it is AI, the AI problem

is ubiquitous. Doesn't matter if you're on Twitter, I still missed it. Bricky, if I say he's hoarse, because his voice is gone, he thinks I called him a horse. So we're varying degrees of just stupid. Like we're, we are two different shades of dumb. Well, I am extremely shaded. So, let's, let's, let's chat about AI and Warhammer. Oh, boy. The, the illegal AI in Warhammer.

You know, if. Heretical AI. Yeah, well, and yeah, heretical AI to some, you know, important to others. I, I won't lie to go with. the bit, it would be like mildly funny if we did like an AI thumbnail generated from all the other adeptist ridiculous thumbnails. But I do want to pay, I don't know, I do want us to pay Ted for, for his work. Yeah, obviously. The concept of using that is like, like the irony removes my moral implication for it this one time, but I don't think we will. Honestly, I think we should just have

Ted do his interpretation of bad AI artwork and just have him actually draw like a hand that has like six fingers that are all twirling in the wrong direction. His interpretation of what bad AI art would be. A real artist's drawing bad AI artwork. We've, we're burying ourselves in layers of irony. Oh yeah. We're, we're the meta. We're meta chasing. Oh, that's good. That's good. Anyway, AI and Warhammer. So, you know, topical for the current day and age. AI is a genuine commercial and existential threat. All of us here are not huge on AI in terms of artistic works.

If you're using it for things like automation for, you know, finance and that kind of stuff, whatever. totally fine artwork specifically voice acting also we're all very much not a happy not happy campers

yeah yeah agreed agreed but in Warhammer it'll get you well in the Imperium anyway you ooh

none of that stuff the Mechanicus will find you and hurt you. Okay. One quick, one quick a caveat. Shai does use an AI voice for her channel, but that is a anonymity and function purpose. It is not stealing and using it for a video game example. True.

But yes, whereas getting yelled at by people or getting swarmed by blue checkmarks on Twitter is the worst thing you could possibly deal with in real life. when you bash on AI. Bashing on AI is simply commonplace in the Imperium of Man because if you have a blue check mark in the Warhammer, you are killed. Whoa.

Just for being verified? Listen, who verifies you? AI sympathizers. You share by association. Oh, okay, okay. But in Warhammer, there are some that are cool with AI.

Like the, what the Liga Voton use are significantly into AI, right? Their whole thing is AI. That is correct. You've also got the Tao, and how we define the necrons is a bit of a question. Yeah, they seem like they would be okay with AI. Like maybe, well, I guess they're kind of AI. Like they're robots with, yeah, that's a little, yeah, it's a little column A, column B, I suppose. We have not done a real in-depth episode on the Dark Age of Technology.

Oh, yeah. Might be a cool thing to do at some point. But, for example, you are familiar with the men of iron, correct? Oh, yes. Yes, they're the whole reason that AI was banned in the Imperium, right? That's correct. Are you familiar with the men of stone? No, actually.

Okay, that's fine because nobody else is either. Right, I'm not the only ignorant one. Great. So if this next five minutes sounds like just typical GW, what is even happening type of content, like, yeah. It's a time. So the men of gold, the, the, the men of gold are a subsection of humanity. It is said that they appeared during the age of terror,

which is when the emperor eventually was like, hi, I'm the emperor. I'm going to make you all great. And so, you know, learn from mankind, etc. And the men of gold went across all of old earth, removing the anarchy and being physically and emotionally superior races. Now, if this sounds like they're just literally just custodians.

Yeah, I was going to say, that just sounds like custodians that are early age custodians that have showed up with the emperor and are just wiping out anything that doesn't fall in line. Right. So during their time fixing Earth, they created the men of stone. And eventually by M21, so a long time ago, the men of gold. the men of gold's influence had, you know, waned, and nobody knows what happened to them. Huh. They just disappear?

Yeah. It's just eventually their influence was waned, and they were taken over by the men of stone. No one knows what happened to them. Now, the reason I say this, because this is almost verbatim, is because the source for this is the Warhammer 40K third edition rulebook,

which came out in 1998. Yeah, that was a little while ago. Yes, so this is 26-year-old lore. Oh, boy, do I feel old. There are many viewers and listeners that were not alive when the men of gold. No, no, no, you need to stop doing that. Stop doing that. Stop doing that.

This book can drink. Yes, it can. It can drink. You can vote. It can serve. It can do all the things. They rent a car. It can rent a car. drive. Yep, yep, yep. So, um, anywho. Damn, D.K. was in his 40s in 1996. I'm not even in my 40s now, shy. Thank you. Um, anywho. So, you know, the personal theory, this may have been like proto custodies and their influence may be waned because the, the emperor really likes to kill off his closest

helpers and then bring in the way. the better helpers after that. So maybe he just murdered them. I don't know. What was the Thunder. Thunder warriors? Thunder warriors. That, yeah.

Yep. So the men of stone were a class of artificial beings made by the men of gold slash emperor at the time. They were part of the archaic technology. And they were made with the purpose of colonizing deep space. They're not as strong as the men of gold or anything, but they were great engineers. They built crazy-ass constructions and eventually created the first ever warp drive, which was kind of, which was not like, well, I think they created the first ever warp drive. Citation needed. So they're AI robots?

What are they? They are artificial beings. Are they robots? I don't know. So they're not made of stone. They're not like, they're not actually men of stuff. Is it just because they're really good builders? And it's like, oh, they're really good at, you know, building stuff.

Stone, ground up. Like what? You're asking questions that I have about a paragraph of lore for. Oh, okay. Sorry. I just figured their name had some, you know, it would define why they're, called what they're called, but all right, go ahead. So I have no idea.

All I know is that they were built, they were made, they were, they were artificial and crafted by the men of gold slash big E. They created the first warp drives, which were a lot like the Tao's warp drives. So they're not as fast as our current warp travel, but they're also not going through hell. Yeah, it's the first warp drive that was ever made. So, of course, by, you know, today's Imperium, it's going to say.

seem archaic. Just like, you know, the first airplane or like what the right brothers were flying seems a little archaic by our standards because, you know, it was a billion years ago. No, you have it backwards. Oh. They are, it is a, a not as fast as warp travel currently, but it is a significantly higher tech thing like the Tao have. As in it's way safer. Right. It's FTL. It's like FTL. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. So it's way better and safer, but just slower. Right.

But like not slower in like a massive amount, you know. Okay. Right. So that's this thing. The next part that Shai just posted here that was about to read is the stone men existed in a state of half-life. Whatever that means. So they were unaffected by demons of the warp, which made warp travel better. And considering that we know that living beings and AI are,

both affected by the warp, I still don't know what they are, but the point is that the men of stone eventually made the men of iron as servants for them and to help them with deep space colonization. However, the men of iron, which are AI constructs, eventually revolted and killed everybody. Yes, yes, they did. They sure did. So the men of stone are somewhere between living, an AI, they're not either one, and they made the men of iron as servants and the men of iron

revolt and kill everybody, kill the men of stone, and thus we say no, we say no to AI, AI bad, look what it did, look what it wrought. Brother, honestly, I don't even know if you're right.

I don't even know. All I know, men of gold, made men of stone, then men of gold went away and then men of stone made men of iron and then men of stone went away and because men of iron killed them all and then men of iron went away because we killed them all in after our horrible horrible war it's a circle a hoop that never ends it's not a it's not a loop it's a spiral sam blake you hack anywho so obviously the men of iron were our AI robots Terminator style.

They are murder, socialist automaton's here to take our freedom. Where's the dreadnought? Deploy the dreadnought. Detroit the box. Destroy the box. Hell divers entering combat zone.

I still haven't played that, by the way. The new mech? Yeah, I haven't played it. It's pretty fun. Okay. So, they were, the men of iron were made to help the men of stone colonizing the galaxy.

However, before the age of strife, For whatever reason, we're not quite sure. They turned on the human masters. And then did the cybernetic revolt, which, and I quote, was a war so destructive it made the horace heresy seem small in scale. Wow. I was going to say, how did we end up stopping the men of iron? Because, like, that seems like more than a task for humanity at the time. So I...

I don't know. It says here, like, the men of iron employed world-consuming constructs, devices that could destroy suns, weapons that could throw entire continents into the heavens, and swarms of nanomachines that covered entire planets. However, in the end, the men of iron were destroyed by an alliance of galactic powers.

This is cited by the first and only novel of Gant's Ghosts, which they talked about near the end before they found the STC. However, it does need citation here because while it does seem insane that the humans could ever fight this off at the same time, the humans also had this technology too because we were in the Dark Age of Technology. Right, that's true. Dark Age of Technology humans are significantly stronger than they are right now, and they're pretty goddamn strong right now. Um, and I guess what, uh, shy said all alien races joined into the fight.

So it's just like the Milky Way galaxy against the men of iron. So I guess the men of iron are kind of going to be on the losing end of that. I don't have much of the whole other aliens joining the fight thing. Uh, but shy does say that she has a, a good reference to explain, quote, the trauma the men of iron inflicted upon their creators. Uh, let's see here. Oh, God damn you. It's Legion! I genuinely thought you had something.

I was like, oh, I didn't find this. Where could this be? Ah, yes, the geth. The poor, poor geth. Poor geth. I mean, yeah, poor death, though. I mean, they turned on their creators and they were pretty successful, so. It does make sense.

I mean, that kind of is the vibe that happened. Like, the quarians made the geth to be servants and, you know, all that. and then, you know, they kind of turn on them and drive them from their home planet, take over, uh, shoot, what's the Quarian Homeworld called?

Ranoc. Ranoc! Yeah. Except there was never a nice, happy, oh, we can coexist on Ranoc in Mass Effect. Like,

yeah, no, no. They also didn't have sun destroying weapons and, no, no, they didn't. That being said.

Tallymancer for life, though. Yeah. Fair enough. If Lear gets all the content. That's true. Which is unfortunate, but, you know. Thankfully, in the legendary edition, they fixed Talley unmasked because... Oh, do they actually?

Yeah. It's a lot better now. It's not a stock photo that they just kind of airbrushed over. I'm surprised they didn't just like make the scene with the legendary edition, you know? Like, did they just not have the Sprite ready? Because maybe it's like, oh, yeah, the code's there. like we literally didn't make a face for her. I don't know.

Anyway, sorry. This is not a Mass Effect podcast. Go ahead. No, no. One day we'll do an episode. Hell yeah, dude. Anywho. So, of course,

the age of strife was like the worst time ever. The age of strife or old night was, hey, all the machines are revolting and murdering everybody. And also, by the way, all the humans destroyed the machines, but then we're all totally hurt by this.

Also, by the way, warp storms, you can't travel to anyone ever at all anywhere. Everybody's cut off from everybody else. So if you were depending on supplies from the Imperium, you're screwed. And, you know, this might last for, oh, I don't know, 5,000 years. So life was shit. Good luck. Naturally, the hatred of intelligences and abominable intelligences, as they're called. stemmed from a lot of this problem and is one of the main reasons why there is the techno,

uh, techno religious cult of Mars that came from not just, not just to mention the, uh, the revering of individuals able to work the life support systems on Mars, but all over the course of 5,000 years, but also the extreme fear of any kind of AI considering what they did to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, and also why it's like, no, no more inventing. Stop it. Stop it. Again, of course, a few of these sources are Warhammer 4DK, third edition rulebook. Sure, sure, from 26 years ago. Thanks. You're welcome, sir. I was two.

I'm not going to talk about how old I was. It was a number. It wasn't two. All right. Anywho, so. So with this, now the men of iron are for the most part extinct. There are, however, of course, other AIs in the galaxy that do not resemble the men of iron. That being said, there is technically one known surviving man of iron.

Man of iron, I suppose. Man of iron. How did that one get away? So this one is called UR-025. Yeah. Yeah. So shy is not entirely wrong there. He slapped an Imperial Quilla on itself and or he walks around and says if anyone is asked,

Mago's John Human Man is controlling this robot piss off and people leave him alone. Okay. He doesn't actually say John Human Man is controlling. right there's no way he i'm sure there's an actual name and shy is just being like funny right i i'm not sure there is a short story on him called man of iron written by guy haley i believe uh but this is a model that is part of the blackstone fortress box that is with that one super over the top uh like guy with the big pelt remember oh yeah yeah yeah the the the rogue trader guy who's all into himself.

Yeah. So in that box of the Blackstone Fortress, it's all there, you know, that whole group, this mini, this man of iron is part of it. They are, for the most part, going to enter the Blackstone Fortress and join the group to discover and learn more about it. But for the most part and from the short story and everything that's been talked about, it is a man of iron. It pretends to be one of the Ediths Mechanicus War Machine.

and normally the Mechanicus get really mad when you touch their stuff, so no one really bugs him. That's true. That's fair. I mean, if I thought that was an Adeptus Mechanicus machine, I wouldn't, well, I mean, just look at it. I wouldn't mess with it, period. But yeah, that makes sense.

That being said, it apparently deems itself greater than humanity, but does not hold any malice for them. It thinks it's better, but is not like, does not hate them or anything. it doesn't seem to much like having to kill in order to remain free. But will if it has to. The will if it has to. As it has a galling gun for an arm.

It's Barrett! Sorry, I couldn't help it. Stop with your final fantasy. I can't. I have 60 hours into the fucking thing. Leave your home. I can't. Like, I mean, I could.

I just don't want to. So, like, he's... A man of iron is quite strong, right? So if he wanted to, he could raise some... absolute unholy hell he doesn't want to he doesn't really care he's fine with the humans but like if he got mad he could he could mess up like a lot of people's day right i mean so the men of iron are there it's not like the exact it's like terminator right in terminator you have your basic classic red robot skeleton terminator guy but then you also have other big crazy machines you know

yeah that's true as far as i can tell consider that this guy is about the size of like, probably not even the size of a castell in a robot, it's probably the size of like, I don't know, a bigger space marine, like a centurion, maybe slightly larger than that.

It's probably like a ground troop, you know? Yeah, I guess. I guess I just figured men of iron and then like, you know, you hear all the stories about how awful,

not awful they were, but how horrible their reign was and then killing everyone. and the whole galaxy has to unite to destroy them. And it's just, you think even one of them would be like a huge problem if it decided to start some shit. Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, it'll be a huge problem in the sense that it has an assault cannon for an arm

and it'll go through everybody, but, you know. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't try to start anything because he's, you know, he doesn't hold any grudges. He's not a malicious man of iron. But still, you know, if a wire gets crossed and he goes into turbo, ultra kill mode. Like, you know.

Yeah. Well, you know, it's the same reason why. I will always go back to one of my favorite things I've ever read, which is some guy saying, asking a question about, hey, you know, if LDRC humanity is just primitives, why do they even bother, like, being scared of them? And the response was, well, a space, if a space marine is to them is the same thing as having a silverback gorilla in full plate blow into. to your house with a shotgun waving it around,

you'd be pretty frightened. Yeah, they might be primitive, but that doesn't stop them from being really strong and still very able to kill you. Yeah, so, like, yeah, you know, it may, it may just be the ground troop of a men of iron, but if this is like the men of iron's equivalent of a guardsman, oh God.

Yeah, that's, yeah, if that's the men of iron guardsmen, that's a problem. He's like, yeah, I was the lowest wrong in the men of iron. You were what? Now, anyway, of course, that is the men of iron as far as we know. The fact that we even have one is kind of crazy as an actual like thing. That being said, I do know that there is other men of iron that did exist for a short period of time down in the first and only novel of Gant's Ghost, which we have read ourselves. Yep, the little production facility that they had to blow up.

Yep, way at the end, where some of the more dubious individuals wanted to use it as a way to, you know, like make the Imperium really strong. Yeah, they wanted to use it for humanity. Yes, specifically by the Lord High Militant General and Awful Asshole Inquisitor. but Gaunt, because he's a righteous commissar, said no way, no how. Also, this thing might be corrupted by chaos. And as it started spitting out men of iron, they were in fact, totally was. Totally corrupted by chaos. Spoiler, I guess, for, spoiler, I guess for Gaunt's Ghost released in August of 1999.

Oh, no, another book that makes me feel old. I won't lie. first Gons Ghost being coming out 25 years ago that that holds up Really well When you said 1999 I was like wait what? Really? Yeah that that's like actually

That's a good book like that that that book is like timeless almost like A little bit Um Although the space marines are kind of weak in that book But they've gotten better lately but like who cares Yeah Anywho So that is a great segue to talk about the other kinds of AI that humans made

Which are standard template constructs Hey, STC. STC. So STCs were created, again, Dark Age technology. They are said to have the entirety of human technology and knowledge up to then. Every possible thing they have ever known ever. Assuming you can amass them because they're all just scattered across the galaxy now. Right, but naturally, of course, you place them in,

various areas that are in ships and then you send them out into the deep dark areas of space and then that construct will let's will tell you how to make a farm and how to make a base and etc or how to make a really good knife noif right hey shit speaking of as mentioned in gaunt's ghosts yep yep yep a catachian not oh not a cadetian guy i think maybe it was a guards i don't remember who. They found one that made knives and the knives it made were the new one space marines were

using and the guy was given an entire planet. You know a whole planet to retire on and just good job. Yep. Here's a Paradise World. Great job. Yep. Yep. SDCs are important. They mean for a thing that makes knives

now it's a space marine gladius so it's a very important It is a standard issue knife for a space marine. That's pretty important for them. I mean, you know. There's a hilarious thing here, which there's an excerpt here. It says the STC for a type of paint was actually discovered by a force of Skatarian Guard that allowed the paint to have a unique composition to be painted to war gear way faster. It was secured by Commissar Trast.

However, this STC caused rebellious. on several hive worlds responsible for painting vehicles and it forced the Imperium to enact a compliance on the pigment wells. Wow. And due to this, they assume the SEC

might have been corrupted by chaos, which took several hundred years to fully declare uncorrupted and sanctioned. Several hundred years? Over paint? Commissar Trast was then a war a world for his discovery.

However, considering how long the compliance took, it is unlikely he survived to receive his reward. To receive his planet. Oh, my God. Have we talked? The name Tras sounds really familiar. That just sounds like an imperial name. I'm sure there has been like a Trass before.

Maybe. So the whole problem was hive worlds were upset because they were like, no, we paint things. You found a thing that paints things faster. That's our job. This is our living. Yes. So they thought it was corrupted by chaos.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, AI. This is why we can't have AI, everyone. So that's the weird part about STCs, right? Is that an STC can be a lot of things. An STC can basically just be a gigantic 400 pentabyte computer full of knowledge and things you need to learn. Or an STC can be a living, acting AI that can completely.

cause you a lot of problems. Yeah. Um, do you remember? Was that the ship that, uh, laughed at the ad mech for being like, the Omnisiah, you idiots, watch this. Turns them all off. Yes, you did it. Yes.

Yes. I'm learning. That was one of my tabs, the spirit of eternity. Let's go. Yes. I made up for not getting the quote. Yes. I, um, yes, I did.

Yes, I did. Yes, I did. So, remember, it arrived once, and it was like from like a time thing, and it was part of it, like a human captain. And then they were like, hey, what's up? This human captain is going to warn you about chaos coming. And then they murdered his captain. And it got really, really mad. Yeah.

And then it did all that fun stuff. I will admit there is a very interesting bottom excerpt about this that I was not aware of. Bottom text? So avenging sun is a book that came out in 2020. And it said, Arch, I'm going to use this full name. Arch, May ghost, Dominus, Belisarius call was rumored to have later found the spirit of eternity and bested its AI in a game of wits. Wow.

Which is the most call thing I have ever heard. That's a pretty big deal, because that was no. Like, that wasn't just some stupid little thing. That's, that's an AI that shuts down ad meck because it just doesn't like them and thinks they're stupid. Yeah, but what, like, what a call thing to do? Like, to, like, I will best you in a battle of wits, literal AI ship. Yeah, that is something Call would do. For some reason, I just imagine them playing chess.

I'm not really sure why. I just call playing chess and like the AI calling out its moves like, Pond D4. You know, I don't know why. Ooh, here's a question for you. Are you familiar? What is the name for chess in 40K? Oh, you've heard it all right.

I feel like I've heard it because like, I don't know if it was one of the books. They were like, oh, I'd love to sit down with a glass of M or second play with you, but I don't remember what the game was called. They talk about it a lot in Eisenhorn. It starts with an R. Nope. Regicide. Regicide.

That makes so much sense. Yeah, it's basically just... Of course, regicide. Damn it. Yeah. It's basically just chess. But yes, I do believe they probably play regicide. Regicide.

That's a... That's a great name for chess. I like that. That's true. Warhammer Tabletop does also exist in Warhammer. That's true. Yeah, like a little miniature game does exist. Oh, okay.

I thought you were just like, well, yeah, what do you think they're doing when they're looking at the HoloLith and they're moving all their troops around? It's Warhammer. No, I'm pretty sure the Holoeth is like literally, like a hollow thing. Yeah, it's a hollow thing of the battlefield.

But, yeah. That being said, though, I will say, what is it? Do you remember when Perchirabo's face into a custom Titan miniature on his desk? Yes. There you go. That's true. It's a little mini. Mini.

Mini. But anyway, yeah, so STCs off obviously are the most sought-after thing from the Mechanicus. and when they appease it as they say, they will enter the knowledge of them and whether it lets them or not. And then it'll get, who knows what. Because STCs are, despite how powerful they are, they are so old that they, for the most part,

can become incredibly decayed, poor. So, you know, that SDC that had the special kind of paint probably had everything else you needed, but it only gave your pants. Everything you needed to build like a superhouse, but it's like it's, it's been so long and the data's been corrupted. It's like all you could get out of it was the paint and not like the tools or not the materials or the nails or, yeah. So various STC discoveries would help with these kind of thing. For example, like in M36, there was an SDC for the bigger chassis of Landspeeter, which created the Landspeeder vengeance and the Dark Shroud variants.

And just, you know, like, like following the age of apostasy, the centurion STC was discovered. That's the big chunky one. Okay. And so on and so forth. You know, Arkin. Some pretty good finds. Hey, Arkin Land. Land Raider.

He found the Land Raider. And then that's why it was named after him, you know. Which, what is it? The Bainblade was actually just the light scout tank for the dark age of humanity or something like that? Something like that, yeah. That is It's goofy During the Great Crusade

The STC for the Lehman-Russ Battle Tank was found by the Space Wolves Oh was it found by Lehman Rust by any chance Well actually I don't know if it was I think it was just found by the Space Wolves Oh and they're just like honor Lehman Rust Call it the Lehman Rust tank

Pretty much Gotcha I would assume the Rogel Doorn tank did the same It wasn't actually Rogel Dorn that found the STC Well, actually, in this case, no, I don't think so, because it's a relatively new tank. Oh, well, yeah, if Rogelorn ain't around to find it. I'm sure the Fist has found it.

Yeah, no. But this is a good thing to segue, and you're talking about the machine spirit. Hey! So the machine spirit, I'm just going to go out on the limb here. It's just AI. It's just an AI. It is AI. It is a very light, low-level AI that does not have any consciousness or ability to improve on itself.

Okay. But they're not, they're not going to admit that. That's the damn machine spirit. You must appease it. They will never say, say shit. No, no, no. For them, the machine spirit and the reason they do their stuff is the same reason why you are locked out of your computer. You forgot the password.

Yeah, like, I am locked out of my PC. I need to try a password to find a way around it. That is for them, what appease in the machine spirit is, for entering a rhino or a dune crawler or something. Okay. It's just his password entry. Okay. Yeah, mixed with about 15,000 years of religious zealot.

Zellate. Yeah. I don't think zealotry is actually. a word, even though I've said it a million times. It sounds like it should be. Religious zealotry. It just, it sounds like it should be. And it sounds like it could be.

Oh, wait, it is a word. Let's go. My English major's paying off, baby. Well, it was a creative writing degree, so I really, you know, I, me. Huh, creative writing degree? Yeah. It's about as useful as a business degree.

Can you, can you write my scripts? Um, I mean, could I sure, would they be any good? I think you should probably just keep with your current script guy, you know. I haven't actually written anything in like over a decade. So, you know. So Shy makes an interesting point. And I think this is a fascinating thing to determine between which kind of machine spirit.

Because sometimes the machine spirit is, yeah, kind of animalistic, like a Titan or a knight. So they need to, yeah, basically kind of break a Titan, like. they would break a horse and kind of forced it into compliance. Yeah, like in... Assassin-on Kingmaker. Kingmaker, yeah, that's the one. Yeah, when they have to get in the night, right? So I think it's a little different in that,

because I think you're more, you're not necessarily appeasing the knight. You're appeasing the dead souls of the people in the AI, like Throne Mechanica Matrix. True, but like when they tried to pilot it without appeasing the dead souls, it was kind of like trying to like ride a wild animal essentially, wasn't it? Well, they were like, like you can control a night without plugging yourself in, but it's clunky and weird. Yeah. Whereas like if you were plugged in, it's like moving your own limbs.

Okay. That's how I remember the book. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, Titans, for example, do need to be like corral by the preinceps because. the titan is strong and it has a vicious bloodlust. Huh. I guess I never thought of it like that. Like I didn't,

because I knew you needed like the preiceps to like help move it. I just kind of thought they were there to because like, oh, it's such a heavy burden on the pilot. You need multiple. I didn't realize that it was like, because of the machine spirit, the titan is like a wild animal.

And without the princeps, that thing is just going to go buck wild like a brainless savage. It's hard to determine exactly how we can define this because it's not because obviously the machine spirit is clearly some kind from in the real world is clearly some kind of small minor AI. That being said, you know, in the world of Warhammer, it is considered to be something like a soul, you know, and so a soul needs appeasing. but we've also found out crazy enough is that chaos and the warp can corrupt AI both in gaunt's ghosts and in the weird situations with the Voton.

So, like, and emotions, for example, feed the warp. So do the machine, spirits of these Titans with their never-ending lustre. for a war over hundreds and thousands of years mean they have to be corralled like horses now. We're in deep Warhammer theory right now. Yeah. But it's a thought, you know? There's things to think about.

That's interesting because, like I said, I always thought that, like, Titans and Knights and everything, I just figured they were big robots that were built. And when no one's piloting him, they just, they're idle because, you know, nobody hit the on switch. I didn't realize that the machine spirit. it like was that extent of like, you know, you need to corral this thing with Princeps. Otherwise, some Titan Princeps don't do it properly and they just, they just burn out. Like the Titan will just kill them and like burn their mind out because

they couldn't handle it. Yeah, that happens often. I mean, and you know, like the Knight version is a little different how they try to do it. because of the, you know, the throne mechanic and all that. But then like also there are situations like in one of the books. There was the Crimson Fis chapter fighting orcs and the whole crew inside the Land Raider were dead. But the Land Raider kept fire fighting.

It just like a machine kept going, kept shooting, kept killing. So that happens. You know, drop pods use a light machine spirit to help their trajectory, which is probably just AI targeting. Probably, yeah. That makes sense. But it's weird. You know,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, space Marine armor has AI. Oh, yeah, yeah. They have to appease the machine spirit in their,

in their armor, yeah. Yeah, because the armor has, like, tracking, and it has, like, number of bullets left in your gun and all the other stuff.

Like, but these are all, you know, very light constructs, minor things where, yeah, things we could, we could add

now in the 21st century you know yeah yeah yeah it's it's not like there's something uh where it's like oh no the machine spirit in my armor has gone crazy it's crushing me yeah probably probably not like that no it's choking me um so that's generally humanity's AI and light bits of AI

there are other instances of AI out and about Voton, for example. Voton are all about the AI. They love that. Not only do they revere their ancient, possibly STCs. They call them super cogitators, but... So just SCs. No, T's.

Sure, sure. Just SCs. The Voton are, I mean, they're basically STCs, as far as I'm concerned. However, it specifically states that these things are Weapons specifications, military theory, geological data, science philosophy, and STCs. Oh. These could be like the machine that contains the STC. Oh, that's a big deal.

Because of their 10,000 years or more of constant usage, these, with their like near limited power, the amount of data has caused the ancestor cores to become a little weird and develop personalities sometimes. Just a little weird. A little weird. 10,000 years of not turning the PC off, we'll do that, dude.

Yeah, they start getting a little strange and getting some personalities, and that is what leads to each individual league to having its own kind of methodology. like the Kronus Hegemony being a warlike group and the Yomberate being such a technological group. And then, of course, these Voton spit out the iron kin, which are literally just men of iron. They are just robots. They're literally just fucking robots.

And they are treated as friends. They are common. They're cool looking to be fair. Yeah. They're comrades, their allies. They are not robots. They are, sorry, sorry, as in like slaves. Oh, okay.

I was going to say, those are 100% robots, dude. I don't know what, what's in your coffee this morning, but that's a robot. Sorry, they are not slave labor robots. Yeah, they are comrades, they are friends, they are equals, they help, they're wonderful. You can't go out and have a beer with. I mean, I guess you could have a beer with one. I don't know what it would do with it, but it would hang out with you at the bar. You absolutely can have a beer with it. 100% can have a beer with it. Um, it,

can our friends, not food. I, I don't know why, but now I just imagine one of those robots just at the bar and it's like, ah, yes, cheers. And it just pours it over itself because it doesn't have a mouth, but it wants to seem like friendly and it's just copies what the little Voton are doing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, pretty much. They're, they're treated as equals. And they also have funny personalities and stuff. Good for them. So you're telling me if I don't turn off my PC for another 10,000 years, it'll become my friend? Yeah.

Oh, boy, I finally get one. You can live that way if you can live for 10,000 years. I'm planning on living forever. Forever. Forever. Forever. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I love that little guy.

his little tool belt. Oh, yeah, he's got a great little, yeah. It's like a tool vest. It's like tool overalls, actually. Yeah, it's great, though. He's part of the, he's one of the assistants to the iron kin, or not the iron kin, the brokier forge master, that's his name. Am I the only one that kind of hopes there's one league of Voton guy

that gets really attached to his robot helper? And he's like, oh, man, you're such a happy guy. and then draws like a happy face on the dome. You know. Just to give him a little smiley face and be like, you're a happy guy. Doot, doot.

And you know. Yeah. You know, I imagine them treating them like, what's his name, Bamax or something. Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um,

so there are the Voton in that way. They have AI, all that kind of jazz. Um, you also have Tao, which, of course, have classic AI,

like we normally would have in the 21, well, the hyper-advanced, typical sci-fi stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not necessarily a personality or something that's just like, you know, serious. Well, they do have personality, AI.

They contain AI, I would argue, similar to the Ironkin. For example, one of the good best examples is Obelotai, which is a part of the eight, and it is the remade intelligence. Right. You're right of Farsight's old, I think either old mentor or something. I think it was the old mentor.

So, yeah, taught the young Farsight of the basics of piloting a battle suit. Not the mentor. I think the mentor is Brightsword or something. Right, right. I vaguely remember because I was like, oh, that sounds like the song. Obla Dee, Obla die. Life goes. Anyway, yeah, that's how I vaguely remember because it sounds like the song.

I mean, whatever floats your boat? Shut up. Oh, okay. But yeah, it is a, it is a scan of the original Obitai's like brain and all that. So while this is a chip in the battle suit, this is basically an AI version of the original person. Oh, okay. Ooh, that's a, that's a cool mech. Yeah, the battle suit's awesome. And through the time Obitai goes from like Obitai 4-0, 5-0, 6, pretty much every time he dies. Ah, so kind of like in destiny When the robots get the reboot They get a number added to the end of their name Pretty much

Ew, destiny reference, yuck You know I was always a somewhat sympathizer But after all the bungee stuff lately The cope is fading, dude It's fading. That's a tough one That's a tough one

Shai said there's sentient AI is kind of like AI and Soma, brain scan of Tau uploaded into machines. Yeah. Soma was such a good game, too. If I'm not, I saw my wills great. If I'm not mistaken, one of the, I'm gonna look this up,

one of the Tau ethereal's named On Vah is one of the main ethereal ones is actually like dead, but there's an AI version of it leading the Tao as like, it's like if like Joe Biden like just fucking died and they made

like robot Joe Biden to be like to lead the country. Rob Biden. To just lead the country or whatever but not isn't actually there. Oh, okay. I think I'm pretty positive. Yeah.

Might help because, you know, his health is declining. He is a tad old. Yeah. As they say. Yeah. But regardless of all of that, I believe, yeah, TOW leader is dead kill by Imperium Assassins.

Ethereal's hide that, making AI of him that shows up on TV. It's literally that. It's literally that. All right. Okay. Well, hey, you know, I guess good for them? Literally, Roe Biden. Ro Biden is leading the Tao right now, huh?

Okay. All right. Well, hey, hey, they good, good for them? I don't know. Is that a good for them? Dude, I have no idea. On Vaw is a shit lord. Remember when Farsight and all of his gang

were about to get murdered by chaos and he asked for assistance and he said he turned himself in and Anvoss said, Sucks to suck eat shit, bye. It's like, what does it matter? You're about to die anyway. Why should I deal with you? Bye-bye.

Yeah, pretty much. Like literally that. Yeah. So, yeah, he's kind of a dick. Yeah. Well, yeah. So they've got an. AI version of him just running the show?

Or is it just an AI version of like, oh yeah, we make the laws and we're just going to have this hollow AI projection do it for us? Or does this AI of what's his face actually make decisions? Dude, I don't know. Okay. Well, whatever. He's a dick. That's all that matters. Yeah, he's an asshole.

We don't like him. AI or otherwise, he's a dick. So the only other AI that I can initially think about in all of the other facts. actions, because I'm not going to count like Waugh energy. Yeah, that's a tough one. That's not really AI per se. That's just weird warp, orc green thing.

Yeah, and it doesn't really count. I get, I don't, okay, so I don't know about Eldar. Yeah, you would think the Eldar, because they're very technologically advanced, you'd think they'd have some variation of AI, maybe not as as advanced, I don't want to say not as

advanced, but I mean, they're pretty technologically advanced. Right. So, right. So, so that my first thought was like, okay, right, a lot of dead Eldar souls actually power their robots. That's true. Wraith

things are dead souls that do that kind of stuff, so on, so forth. But there's also like, I don't, like, like, like vehicles and other things that might have like automated stuff.

Yeah. I don't know if like every single LDAR vehicle has a dead person piloting it. Like in a way? If they have AI, it's not a big, prominent thing for the LDAR.

Like... I would assume not. No. Yeah. Mostly it's the souls of the dead. It's the soul stones. It's all that stuff that's powering. They might have it somewhere in a machine, but it's not a big deal. They, you know.

Yeah, I would imagine, I would imagine that for the most part, like the infinity, infinity matrix, I think is the name, is the big circle of souls that power like a craft world. And so that is power by their dead and everything like that. Now, how do they use this? I think it's maybe like it's wraith constructs with our, and wraith constructs like wraith bone is a, psychically active material like blackstone as a conduit so

I'm assuming they use the psychic power of the souls of the Eldar to power their stuff. Oh, Shai's right, there are soul stones on those tanks. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay. So essentially the soul stones are the

AI. Viewers, you Eldar lore alludes me more often than I'd like. If you have information for us, please let me know. Also, so that tank has multiple soulstones on it. Each soulstone is like a dead person, right? Correct.

Wow, so that thing's got three, four dead Eldar powering it? Like, how exactly does that work? Is it just, does the machine just feed off of it? or are the dead people's spirit actually, like, doing something? Um, that's a good question. I, I, I, oh, it's the actual spirits as a collective. They're actually in there as sort of a pseudo. I don't want to call it AI because it's not.

So, yeah, so that, like, the spirits are, like, spirits, for example, are part of, like, it's like, it's like, it's, it's, so, okay. Okay, Kraft World Eldar are very much, like, feudal Japanese. That's, that's a big part of their st. Sure, sure. It's, you know, not just with, like, their garb and everything like that, but, like, the temples and the, and the, and the paths and that kind of thing. This is speaking to your ancestors, but, like, in a literal fashion.

In a literal way, yeah. So if you, if, if, uh, if an Eldar ship goes down, that is a huge loss. Like if they lose all those soul stones, that's a huge loss for the Eldar. Yes, that's why Eldar are so picky. Hard to kill. Picky with their battles very fast because every dead Eldar is extremely irreplaceable in a lot of ways. Or if a Night Lord just eats them because lull, LaMal. Or if a Night Lord Raptor thinks it's funny and eats like six.

I mean, it's like, I can hear them in my tummy. Yeah, it's the screeching souls of the Eldar. Yeah. Yeah, so typical night lord shit. I guess I never realized that all those that there were that many soulstones like on the vehicles and stuff. It makes sense why they would want to be so fast, so picky, and just be like, look, we don't want to lose our literal ancestors that are implanted in this ship. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. It's very important. And not only do you lose your ancestors, but you lose your power. Yeah, your power source, the thing that's powering your vehicles. Yeah. Right. Because how many soul stones they got? I mean, I guess there are a lot of dead Eldor and Eldor die all the time. But like... There are a lot of dead Eldor. Yeah. After that whole Slanesh thing, there are a few dead Eldar. But like, damn, damn. It is, it is, for the, you know, for the most part and all kind of stuff, not AI. It is psychically powered stuff like that. I thought that they would have some kind of like, like technological matrix somewhere, but considering that all Eldar are psychic and they can,

and they can weave constructs and, and wraith stuff. I guess their vehicles are made of wraith. and that's why they're saggingly active or maybe they're not and maybe they're not Raythbone. I think they're wraithbone. Sure. This is a great question actually.

We will do an episode on Raithbone. I was going to say, this all sounds like a great foreshadowing for like an episode. We should do an episode on Raithbone. We should do an episode on Raithbone. I am curious now. Because Bricky

loves the Eldar. Oh, first thing shy sees. Raythbone effectively performs all the tasks a machine would. All right, perfect. Our answer is done.

Cool. Episode done. That was not in my list of tabs that I had open. Well, we can still do an episode on Raythbone and the Eldar and the soulstones and how they work and that'd be fun. I think that'd be

a fun episode. Agreed. We should do that. Hell yeah. But anyway, there's only one last AI thing to discuss. That's Necron's if we count that. Yeah. Do you count that as AI? So there's no...

Okay, so it's not like Eldar because there's no soul. Because there's soul. Yeah. Because they've been eaten. But they have consciousness. They do. And some have better consciousness than others. Yes, some remember when they were human.

Very few, right? But still, it's not really AI per se, is it? But is it? Okay, so here's a question, right? I mean, I guess in the Necron body, that would be artificial, because there's no soul. So, let's think of it this way. Do we refer to replicants as AI from Blade Runner?

I never saw them as AI. I never thought of them as AI, to be honest. Okay, but they are, they are complete, completely fabricated stuff, right? Yeah. And I'm imagining, because like the Silent King, right, he's perfect. Same personality he remembers his time before, I'm pretty sure, because he's Eric. Yep, yep. The question is like, okay, what if I were to remake a human?

and literally remake their brain down to the atom. You know, like, it is technically an artificial intelligence. I mean, technically, that is an AI. But at the same time, you know, this is the same guy. Yeah, down to the atom. And, you know, the whole point of necrons is that they're no. mobility maintain their intelligence, but even they are like faltering because of the sleep. Yeah.

So it's a, it's a bit of a gray area, isn't it? It is. I think we do call Necrons technically AI. Necrons don't, yeah, don't believe themselves to be. They're just like, it's just me in a new body. Oh yeah, so it's the soma effect, right? Right. Even if their soul is dead and eaten.

To the Imperium, don't think about it too hard or it will kill you. The Imperium addresses them as Zenos, not as AI. Right. Well, they would know. So, like, here's my answer. Oh? Yeah, that's kind of a gray area. That's kind of a, that's, that's, that's, that the world is very rarely black and white, right?

There's always little shades of gray in there. Yeah, that's a good point. And to make it even weirder, necrons do have artificial intelligence like slaves, which are the conoptic units, like rice and scarabs and the rest. So I, so basically I'm trying to say is, pseudo AI using AI. What a world. Yeah. So what I'm trying to say is, oh.

Oh. That's all I got, man. Everyone who was alive in the 90s can do a, uh, uh. I think, I think home improvement was like the most watched show. Like it was like no top like five at the time. I watched it all the time. with my parents and my... All the time.

That's just so funny to me. But yeah, I mean, for the most part, that's AI and Warhammer. You know, I think we can probably learn more about it when the Voton get literally any books and any lore at all. It's shocking. They still don't have anything. It's not even a book, man. What the hell?

Like, how long have the Voton been? No, like at least a couple years at this point, right? Oh, God, no, it's been like a year. Oh, really? It's that recent? I don't know why I thought it was like at least two years. I assumed, assumed that you would at least like have a book ready to go when you launched them? Yeah, like you'd think you'd have some like big codex of lore that's mostly lore and nothing?

Yeah, a little whack-a-doodle on. that one. Yeah, that's a little, that's a little wackadoo. Yeah. So, anywho. Anywho, is that, that's the episode? That is the episode. That's a fun one. I like that. I like learning about the AI. Even if I absolutely bungled the quote at the beginning, which should have been painfully obvious, that was a fun one. I like that. You darn bungler. I, I, what's your boggle? Boggle? What's your...

What is your boggle? Boggle? What is your boggle? That's from Demolition Man, another old movie, but a great one. Everybody should watch Demolition Man with Sylvester Stallone and... Uh-oh. I forget the other guy. I was making a different reference.

Shai, did you get my reference? What reference were you making? Oh, thank God. Sorry, D.D.K., you're a loser. D.K., you're a loser. Why am I a loser? What did I do? Baby want a bottle?

Because you are dirt. What's your boggle? Oil paintings, oil painting. Seeking. Seeking.