Adeptus Ridiculous - Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work | Warhammer 40k Book Club

Episode Date: February 19, 2023

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Welcome everybody to the book club episode of Adeptus Ridiculous. My name is Bricky. My co-host is D.K., and we're going to be discussing the wonderful works of the Black Library. But before we start, if you are interested and enjoy this podcast, go down to patreon.com slash adeptus ridiculous. D.K. is going to be teaching me about fantasy if we hit the big 2-0-000-0. Oh, my God. It might be happening. It might be happening.

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We have a brand new, extremely, as D.K. would say, yoked A.F. Corn, demon, gal. There is also a sexy fulgrim and, or sneaky fulgroom, whatever. And you also have the new flag, which is a lot of fun. If you'd like to fly up. high for memes. That flag is so cool.

We keep getting pictures of people like waving that flag and showing where they put it up. Oh, that, that's a, man, that was a great idea to put that up. I love it. It's good times. But also, YouTube CEO is stepping down. And I must say, I always thought her name was Susan Wojack.

It is not. It's not, but I was called her Susan Wojack too. Hell yeah, all right, we're on the same page Yeah, yeah I don't think they're replacing her with anyone good though Any dude It's you two, what did you expect? A solid decision? I think the new guy is like big into NFTs and stuff

Oh no I know, dude, I know All right Let's let's let's see Would also Actually would call be into NFTs Uh No, I think call would think

NFTs were too pedestrian Right? Yeah, yeah, I think you'd be right. He would scoff at it and think it was just a stupid idea for stupid low-brow people. And yeah, I don't think call would be into it. See, he would think ahead. He would be like, no, NFTs are dumb. I am the token.

He would turn you into a fungible token that he could trade for whatever. Extremely fungible. Yeah, you are so fungible. So our books for today Because they're, you know, fungus Our books for today is Chai says, Rabutei, I invented a new advanced form of currency Firstborn dollars is obviously invest into FTX

Oh no Yeah, Rabute would do that A new taxable source of income, yeah, sure Yeah, but no, Rabutei's too smart He would like, he would realize that FTs are a scam And he's like, this doesn't help the imperial at all. Get rid of it. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Our book, Belisarius Call The Great Work, a heavily requested book. Quite requested, yeah. Actually, people were asking for Belisarious Call for a while. Oh, I guess I didn't realize that. I mean, I had

heard of Belisarious Call the Great Works, but I guess I somehow missed that a lot of people were requesting it. Yeah, it was a hyperly requested book out there. Okay. Along with, like, Hell's Reach and stuff, but... Oh, yeah, Hell's Reach has been very requested.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, it's about a 10, 11-hour book, give or take. Pretty hefty, not quite like First Heretic hefty, but it's pretty long. And D.K, what are your thoughts?

Oh, it's a mixed bag. Because we were talking about it, and it's a good book, right? But it is it's it's kind of confusing there is so much shifting

between present and past of like call and stuff that and like I don't know if it would have been easier to read we were talking about it's like maybe if you were reading it it wouldn't have felt maybe as jarring as it did but in audiobook format

it was like whoa did I skip like two chapters where are we what's going on how did we go from the tyrannid torn planet to a totally normal place and why is called prisoner what happened what's so it it's a confusing book but there are so many big call reveals and there's so much like good lore when it gets going that it kind of evens out. I think it was a really good book, right? I think it was solid.

I think it depends on what we're talking about. We discussed this a bit ago. We both kind of agree that the audiobook form is probably not the best way to listen slash read to this book. Yeah. Because it's simply, it's very hard to parse between.

Because sometimes he'll say just like, now. And I'm like, it should be a bit to realize, like, oh, we're in the present now. That's what he means by now. Because I'm not seeing it in a big, bold, paragraph-cutting text in like a book that splits chapters. Yeah, it's not like a page break or anything. It's just, it goes right into it from whatever they were doing before. Yeah, and the guy's just like, bang, five million times.

And then just says, now, bang. And I'm like, oh, we're back to now again. Okay. So it definitely took a little bit to figure that out. Yeah, it takes getting used to. It's weird. Like, at first, like I said, it's like, did I, I don't think I hit the skip button. And then after a while, like, oh, that these are, these are like tent shifts. And then like, you know, halfway into the book, it's like, okay, now I'm into the flow.

I get it. And it's a little easier to digest, but it's a little jarring at first, yeah. It took about Halfway Give or take Right to about when the gene stealers Come out of the walls Or like the Necron stuff coming around

The scarabs That's just about when I started To actually get into the book pretty well Oh yeah Because that's when the tent shifts Kind of they simmer down a little bit Like there's still some There's not as many of those like really big breaks

Yeah The rest of the stuff was all just kind of setting up. Yeah. It was interesting. So, like, most of the time, I, I cared really only about two characters, and that was Call and Felix. Oh, okay. Those were really the only characters I much gave a shit about.

I mean, you didn't care about the plight of the Emperor Seith and him trying to regain his chapter's honor after all of the, after being betrayed by one of their own, who was a Gene Steeler cult? What was his name? Like, Tarian? Or, like... You know, I gotta be honest. Like, the last couple days I've been racking my brain trying to remember what his name was.

But I read the book, like, a month ago, and I cannot, for the life of me, remember what his name was. The problem is, is that with the exception of Felix, all the Marine names just blend for me. It's like... There's, like, the Warpsmith, I've been playing to which chaos. The Tech Marine, which is, like,

tyranar or something and then like and then the the emperor size survivor which is like tyrian or something and then you've got the apothecary which like yammon i think yeah in my head they were just the emperor's sides and i remember the stuff they did but i don't remember their names or any defining traits just that they were betrayed by like they thought it was one person and it's like oh no you're wrong it wasn't them it was this other person you never suspected and that's It's great shame for us, and that's why we have these, like, psychic things in our armor to stop the Steelers and all that stuff. No, I didn't really give a shit about that. I don't know if you were, I don't know if you were being sarcastic when you said that.

No, well, I kind of did because, like, I wanted, because, like, the emperor's size sound really cool. And I was like, oh, this is kind of neat. And there's obviously some big mystery that, like, he knows more than he's saying and he's keeping it very under wraps. and I was like, what's, what's the secret? What's the big deal? And so I, I kind of cared. But again, like you said, it was mostly about call. It was mostly about what's going on with call, what's going on with this crazy mountain.

And is Decimus going to die? Yeah, well, yeah, is Decimus going to die type things? I mean, I think the problem is that the reveal of the size of the emperor is so, like, it's just kind of mundane. It's like a twist. Really? It's just them like being shameful. Yeah. Yeah.

I expected like something much worse. But like when I, I liked the dynamic between him being named Decimus threw me off at the beginning because I was thinking of the Nightlord books. Yeah, the Night Lord kid. Yeah. But like Felix is his name. One of the very early Primaris Marines like, what was it like 6,000 years ago? So like 34,000. Yeah, something like that.

Call's been working at this for a while. A good while. Yep, all of his sons. But, like, I liked the dynamic between Call and Felix, because Felix was horribly tortured as, like, an eight-year-old boy. Oh, yeah. Just, and Call was the great monster, literally described as the great monster that would just shove horrible,

like, fucking organs into his body and just flat out, awful. awful stuff And Cole has no regrets He's just like what I did what I had to do So you could be strong You should be thanking me I did you a solid

Come on buddy Bring it in bring it in Hug it out come on bring it in That's the funny part Is that Cole actually it gives a shit Yeah Like he cares about Felix to an extent 100%

But like I liked that stuff Like when Felix was having his flashbacks And it was like Looking at these just Awful things that him as a child went through. Yeah. That was like, okay, now I'm getting, I'm getting like some master chief kind of stuff, you know,

like the horrible things in the childhood kind of, like, I'm starting to appreciate it a bit more. Call is totally the highlight of this book, though. I fucking love Call, man. Oh, 100%. Like, as he should be, since the book is named after him, he is absolutely the star of the show, the highlight, the thing that you show up for. Like, it's nice that Desmiss is there. It's nice that we get some of the Primaris Marines, Emperor's size, or kind of whatever,

but Call is one million percent the star of the show and the reason this book works, right? So what was the first Primaris's name, the one that's basically his servant and is stronger than all the other? It's literally Primus. Alpha Primus. Alpha Primus, yeah. Alpha Primus was the early, early, early, early, early, primaryis marine that is also a psycher and can hide his sucking power, but he is a never-ending torment because of Call's, you know, haphazard creation. Yeah, he tried to do too much. He tried to reach too far. And now Alpha Primaris knows nothing but suffering, even though he's so much stronger than all the other Primaris Marines, it is a

double-edged sword, and he is just tormented endlessly with every breath. It is interesting because, like, okay, so I told you this earlier, and I'm sad you haven't played it. Shai, have you played the Old World Blues D.L.C. in Fallout New Vegas. Okay. The audiobook, I need to, I need to look this up because he sounds, his call voice is identical to, like, Dr. Mobius or whatever, or no. Yeah, he has this like, well, Friedish, I see that you and your friends have brought this science. And I am here to assist in the holy order of the cult mechanicus. And bring me my good guns, Alpha Primus. There is much to learn in the way of science.

Also, there it is, shy hasn't. Listen to that shit. Oh, okay. Let me, let me see. Well, there's many things they have forgotten sitting in their bowls. friendship, the thrill of discovery. Love, masturbation, the usual. Ooh, boy, that is close.

I can tell you they're not the same person because Mobius has sort of that, after some of the words, like there's an old man growl, but dude, that is really close. Dude, they're voice actors. They can have a range. I guess that's true.

It's just, I don't know. Sorry. Geez, but yes, it is It would not surprise me if they were the same person. Dr. Mobius. Doctor Mobius. I absolutely love that D.L.C. It's so fun. That is real close. Holy geez.

Ah, Shai says it's not the same guy. Damn. All right, it's fine. They're close. You're not crazy for thinking that they might be the same person, though. Anyway, yes, he is extremely like, well, well, come on, Friedish. Don't be so frightened. It's time for the Imperium Day. It's so Ha'min.

Yeah. Oh, I remember. Poor Friedish. Oh, boy. Yeah, Friedish had a bad life, man. Oh, man. Being called, being called's best friend

did not turn out great for Freedish. Oh, man. I understand Carl didn't want him to die. I get that part. But he basically just servitorized the man. He turned him into like a Skittari,

basically. Yeah, he did. As he was, dying after he got shot he what was the thing he was looking for the um I don't know it was like I always thought it was like a USB port that he just

and he extracted what he could and he put it into like whatever that KW whatever drone uh yeah like yeah QW or yeah the his acolyte yeah because at the very end of the book

he keeps calling him Friedish and the and the and the accolites like um I'm KW you, my name's not Freedish. And, and Carl just like, oh, I know. But that's a thing, though, it's like, he knows. But the reason is, like, you think that he's just confused because of the memory loop of the device.

Yeah, but in reality, no, he's actually like, Freedish. Yep, mm-hmm. So the book is pretty good. I do think the audiobook is the weaker variant to listen slash read it to. I would imagine the same. I would imagine reading it is just a much more focused experience. I think it would also make a very good miniseries compared to other 40K books. I think the back and forth flashbacks would actually do quite well in that situation.

Oh, absolutely, yeah. Where it's just very obvious when it is present time and not. Yeah. And like for like the first episode, you could kind of explain like why Primera Space Marines are so special, comparatively speaking to a normal space marine and then just go from there. Because that's really like the only background info, you need. It's like, oh, there's the Imperium, there's the Emperor, here Space Marines, oh, look at the crazy stuff that Call's doing. And then you can just, yeah. I do think that if you

are a fan of the Primera Space Marines, because you're like an old boomer 40K fan or something, and you just don't like the new stuff. I think you get a better appreciation for it with this game book. Definitely a lot more, I'd argue. Yeah. Because like I feel like it's weird. In 40K, if something seems too overpowered and is constantly winning, it becomes very boring. I guess that's the same way with like anything. Like if a sports team wins too much, everybody hates them. Like nobody wants to see someone constantly win. So like when you see that thing have trouble and strife and have to struggle and they don't just insta win, like you appreciate them more because you see the sacrifices that they have to go through and you see the trials and then the tribulations and, um,

So, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's kind of why I like the Ultramarines a lot more now, too, is because, like, they don't always just Blueberry Win, Boy Scout looks in handbooking wins. So, yeah, I... Yeah, and these are all ultramarine successors, too. Yeah, yeah, well, Decimus is, right? He's... The size of the emperor are all, I think, 13th Legion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know Desmiss was given his post specifically by Gilliman, right? And that's why he's on... Oh, shit. What the fuck was a planet called? Sotha. Sotha. So why was I thinking Vespa? They both have an uh. I don't know. Maybe. But yeah, yeah, because he was checking it out because it had been overrun by Tyrannids. Yeah. So, yeah, because it's been, it was eaten alive by the nids in classic nid fashion.

Boy, they messed up that space station. They absolutely did. Literal gaps in the walls. Just like, oh, okay, okay, okay. It shows off how insane a gene stealer is with their scalpel-like sores that just clean cut through a Space Marine's chest armor. Yeah, the gene stealer cults are wild, especially if they're a figment of your imagination. Even more so. Yeah.

So I guess it really comes down to like, I think this book is really good if you were someone who liked your, you want some lore reveals. Oh, hell yeah. This is an amazing book if you want lore reveals. Or you just want to understand things a little bit more in terms of the actual 40K world with Call. Because Call, so we know that Call is over 10,000 years old. He is two personalities somewhat attempted to be mixed together. Yeah. That's like one of the big.

reveals is that call was taken basically prisoner by Ezekiel Zadain because Zadain was running out of time to live because in typical 40K fashion they genocide

an entire race because they realized that race could be melted down to give them extra long life yeah typical 40K stuff he was running out of that and he's like hey guess what call i'm gonna take over your body and you're just gonna be a whisper in my brain and so he he shoots freedish to make call go through with the little blah blah blah blah and turns out you can't dominate call and call takes over and now call's got like 20 billion years

of knowledge and experience alongside with his weird kooky persona yeah it's like persona swap along with the And call at the time worked like, he worked way back when, like, with, what's her buckets, the Astardis lady. What's her buckets? Yeah. Well, I don't know her, like, first name is like, it's something Astardis. Yeah. I just like the idea of calling it Astardis, What's Her Bucket?

Yeah. Well, her name, the Astard, like, the scientist lady. Amar Astardi, right? Oh Really? I'm pretty sure Oh, that's right They did mention that

And that's why they're called Oh, that's right Because 40K has the worst naming schemes They also mentioned the Harkin Land In the beginning too Oh, they did, that's right Land Raider Land

That's right That's funny because Harkin Land was very mad about the name He's like that's so stupid He hated that I feel like the author was having some fun with that. I think he was, yeah. You know?

But yeah, so, so Cole doesn't remember everything. And that's the problem is he has to like purges data banks every 500 years or so. Yeah. And like, siphoned it away. But so he doesn't remember everything. But Call as a personality took over. But he has like the genius of Zadain. But he also has like the gestalt conscious, like, like I.

but he he picks out a personality like a fucking outfit yeah that reminded me so much of the necron books where like you got all the personalities swimming around inside of you like the oh that was just oldix yeah I know that was just oldics but it just kind of reminded me of like the way oldtics had those multiple personalities swimming around inside of him kind of reminded me of um this whole thing where it's like he picked uh uh you know

the way he wanted to be based on whatever. Yeah, it was really just him. Like, which personality matrix am I picking today? I'm going to pick these three, which is his most favorite and his special guns that he likes. And all that kind of stuff. And he always picks the same ones, yep. And so it's, that's like the big kind of like,

oh my God, call is old. And Gilliman, Gilman, Gilman. I love Gilliman because he's just so like, I'll give this to you call because I, really don't have a better option here. If I had one, I would take it. Your last resort, dude, that's, that's it. I love when they go to the Necron tech, and he's like, oh, this, it'll turn our weapons,

and there's something so much more powerful. And one of the space ruins is like, so the aliens have stronger power than humanity isn't it against your religion? And he's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, there's so many times where Call will just chuckle and say something super heretical. And everybody just like, uh, what? And he just kind of laughs it off. Like, you can't touch me.

It's like, oh, yeah, oh, 100%. But, like, you know, it doesn't change the truth. Mm-hmm. And it's like when they were in the mountain, right? And one of them was like, you know, if this turns out to be a tomb world, we're going to blow this place to smithereens. And college is like, oh, don't worry. This is way worse.

And it's like, yeah, this isn't a tomb world. This is way worse than a tomb world. It's like, wait, what? And then, well, immediately once he said, oh, yeah, this is way worse than a Tomb World. I'm like, there's a shard in here, isn't there? Yeah, I, one, as I was like, weird, weird shenanigans happening. And then, and then, like, not Tomb World. This is definitely a Tessaract vault or some kind of vault.

Yeah, there has to, like, there's a Catan shard powering this mountain. It's gone haywire. We're going to see a Star God, aren't we? And it's like, oh, what do you know? There's the Star God. Yep. I found the Caton stuff to be the least interesting part of the whole book. Yeah, it felt like they needed to shoehorn in an actual villain.

And so they were just like, well, the Necron, this is a Blackstone Mountain. It's Necron. Who did the Necron's hate? Catan. Let's have a Catan in there. And man, the reveal of that Catan and the way it acted was just so like, it didn't, it didn't do it for me. No.

I don't know about you, but it did not. He seemed like such a naive little bitch. He, he really did. Like, like, I know Katarum think they're the greatest thing of the world, but he specifically thought, like, himself so above that he got tricked by call. Yeah. Like, through words, practically. Through words.

And got teleported to the other side of the galaxy. Yeah, it was so strange. Like, what? Like, this is a star god. Like comparing this Okay so one I am I am happy that there's a totally different catan out there What was his name like Zen Zendres or something I don't remember I just remember he well he was like I am the master of all things

Physical and Mental gravity cannot harm me Right Zarhulash the potentin Potentate fucking whatever Oh my god Hash Mr Hash Yeah he was so like compare him

came to the deceiver in Infinite Divine, who was so much better. So much. The deceiver was such. And like, you see them for right around the same amount of time. And the deceiver comes across so much better than Zahoo Lash. He's just like, yeah, you're a, you're a baby bitch. Like, you're a naive little man child. Like, you're nothing.

Yeah. He was genuinely an uninteresting part of it. And it actually kind of made me, like, he was, remind me, he was, he was, he was, getting their memories to like learn about them right i don't remember like i just remember that he was powering the mountain and the mountain made you not necessarily see your past but it made you literally relive them um but yeah that's that's kind of what i remember about the mountain and i mean to be fair zaharlash is in a weakened state but still Yeah, no, I don't much like the Hulkaton thing.

Also, I remember, like, I was, I looked up, I wanted to look up and see if there was a picture of Zarhood Lash, because I wanted to see what he looked like, and I didn't find one, but I found like, I guess it was like a summary on one of the wikis, and it specifically said that, like, call teleported him across the, he tricked him because he's like, oh, you're going to starve if you don't eat that star and you can't do anything to me, blah, blah, blah. and they said that he specifically teleported Zaharlash to like a star that was surrounded by hostile tomb worlds. And I didn't see that anywhere in the book. Did I miss that? Maybe, I think maybe they said like he was teleported to X part of space. And maybe you just know what that part of space is. It happens to be like, Necron territory. Yeah, yeah.

Because I didn't see that. And I was like, that seems like, because that would make it even more of a big brain move by call if call was like, yeah, Guess what? Not only do you have to go eat that star, you're also surrounded by the people you hate and the people that can, like, chain you back down. Yeah, which, yeah, I think the, because the whole, like, everyone's seeing each other's memories and stuff really had me hooked. I was like, this is so weird. It's obviously Necron tech, but why is it doing this? This is so bizarre.

And knowing it's just the machinations of another Katon, it's just kind of meh. Yeah, it is very... Although there was another big reveal that we haven't talked about. Which one? Well, why the book's called The Great Work. There's actually a few reasons why it's called The Great Work. Well, the wasn't, didn't call, wasn't he like, oh yeah, I want to basically take the technology that was on Kadia that was keeping the eye of... The island pylons.

Yeah, the pylons. He wanted to take that, but he wanted to make it on like a super ultra-large scale so that it could like actually close the cicatrix maledictum. That's not really a reveal, I don't think. It's more just like... I mean, I wouldn't call it a reveal. Well, that was news to me. Oh, okay, so yes, sure. So, so Call's end goal is to utilize the black stone that the necrons have in this world and create a warp like,

resistant whatever, pylons like the necrons and steal off the eye of terror. Yeah. Yes. But I mean, like, that just sounds like his goal. I don't know. It is his great work. Yes, that's the reason he's there.

But it's not like, I don't know. He says the, it's not really revealing. It happens like three hours into the book. Well, I guess that's true. But like he specifically was like, oh, yeah, that's my great work. I was like, oh, title drop. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Let's go.

Boom, boom, boo, boom. Big reveal. Boo, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know. Do all the horn things shy with the editing and you're really good at that. So just make it sound cool. Now it's just going to be a bunch of fart. But yeah, that was like a big, I thought that was like such a big deal. And it's not?

I mean, I don't really think it was. Oh. Well, you're the expert. So if it's not a big deal to you, then I was just overreacting. No, I mean, I guess if you want to know about what call wants to do, then yes, it's a, it's a reveal. Like, oh, this is what Call is planning on doing. Holy shit. Like, sure, sure.

but I don't think Like when I think of a reveal I think of like either a twist Or some like Revel that makes you go back And think like twice about what's going on With the rest of the book For me this is just

This is just why the book is called the great work Okay Which I mean at the end He I think he finds like Does he find like the map To like 10 million locations That have Blackstone in or something Yeah well that's what he was after in the mountain right

That's the thing he wanted to retrieve Was a map of all of the Blackstone fortress He could go and pillage and stuff. Why didn't he just pillage the mountain? Because the mountain's made out of Blackstone, right? Like, why wasn't he as keen to just harvest the mountain? Weren't there eight coffins down there?

So wouldn't there be eight shards? That's true. There were a lot of coffins down there besides Zahoo lashes. Yeah, so I'm not sure if I would fuck with that much. Also, I'm assuming he needs far more than one mountain. True, but like, why not harvest the all you can from the mountain and then move on to like a fortress? It's still resources, right? I mean, sure, but it's not like call...

I mean, if he did, then I'm assuming that would happen after the end of the book, it's like he just... True. Does it now or something. Wasn't there a part in the book where he was... I don't know. Maybe I'm mistaken. Because like I said, it's been a hot minute since I read it,

but I could have sworn there was a point where he was like, oh, no, yeah, Blackstone Mountain, I don't need to harvest this. No, no, no, no. It was weird. No, I don't remember that part. But I do know that, yeah, his main goal is to create the pylons. and close the

Sikatrix Maledictum Sikatrix Maledictum It's such a fun name to say Sycatrix Maledictum It is a fun name But I mean it's a good It's a good concept And you know like

Gilliman Gilliman gave him The last remaining information Out there on how to create The Primarchs Which is Oh that's wild Which is wild to me

That is great That is to give to someone Like call is like Bro It's a little broughy. I'm a little unsure. Little unsure about how I feel about that right there. Yeah, that's a big deal.

Can you imagine if Call actually could replicate a warrior that was like Primark level? I mean, that would be, I think Alpha Primus was his attempt. Oh, sure. That might be his attempt at making a primark, yeah. I'm pretty positive that also, um, Giliman, was like, hey, no, not again. Didn't, they might have said that. Someone was like, hey, hey, maybe tone it down.

We, mm-mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Which actually, speaking of, I'm thinking a little bit about the whole, like, Gilliman creating like Primark stuff and all that things. And I want, having the old material on how to make Primark stuff it could definitely have helped him figure out the whole Primaris thing hence the name of it but... Yeah, definitely.

Surely that must have played a part in him making the Primaris Space Marines, right? It's in the name, right? Yeah, most likely. Well, it's right, Bile clone. Yeah, there have been a couple of Primark clones, right? Like... I don't know a second Horace.

Yeah, Horace was cloned and wasn't, um... Fulgram cloned a couple times or something Once. Bile cloned Fulgrim and then True. Though you say he cloned Primarks with no issues. We're not 100% of the no issues part. I don't think we have enough.

Horace clone died immediately and Fulgram clone got given to Trazen. So I'm not sure if they're like... That's right. The poor clone is sitting in Fulgrams or in Tresen's vault, isn't it? Yeah, I'm a little unsure how I feel about the whole no issues, but we haven't had enough time to see if there are issues. Also, there's a bit of a difference between cloning a primark with, like, say, their DNA versus taking a warrior, like a space marine and just giving it like primark powers, essentially, right?

Because that's essentially what Alpha Primaris is. It's like a warrior, and he was like, okay, let me tinker around with your insides, give you new organs, give you psychic ability. is right so it's not quite the same technically as cloning i guess because cloning you're just taking the DNA and just like well let's regrow this and i know it's not that simple but it's 40k so it's ever so slightly different right i think it's significantly different i'm not sure the whole the whole

stick with it but i'm pretty sure it's significantly different yeah still if you can clone a primark you know you would think you'd be able to figure out how to i don't know how to what i i i get where Shy's coming from, where it's like, if you can clone a primark, why can't you just give a Primera Space Marine primark powers, you know? Yeah, yeah, that's a possibility. I don't know. So, yeah, I get where Shy's coming from, but, you know.

There's questions. There's lots, it's 40K, there's always questions. But, um, but yeah, I mean, book is, book is pretty all right. Not my 100% favor. It took a little bit for me to get into it. And there's also the problem with the audiobook variation of it. But, yeah, I think it's pretty okay. Not quite as amazing as I was told it would be, or as insanity, but it's, I mean, it's still perfectly solid.

What would you give it out of ten? Uh, seven. That is exactly where I was sitting. I was like, seven, I was like, a part of me was like, maybe seven point five, but I was like, that's, no. I wouldn't lean that close to an eight. It's definitely a solid seven. Good lore reveals. There was some good action.

Uh, the, the tent shifting definitely is a little confusing and weird and the Catan thing felt shoehorned in, but overall, yeah, solid seven. Yeah. I think seven is, is decently, decently well enough into it. I, uh, you know, above average, not like a C. Definitely. Definitely worth the read. If you are into like 40K lore, I think this is probably something you want to pick up. Yeah. There's a lot of reveals in this. It's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that's about it.

Yeah. Good book. Yeah. Good book. Oh, hey, hey. Do we have any idea what we're doing next time? Nope.