Adeptus Ridiculous - BELISARIUS CAWL: TRUST ME BRO I DON'T USE AI, XENO TECH OR INVENT STUFF 👌 | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/AdeptusRidiculoushttps://www.adeptusridiculous.com/https://twitter.com/AdRidiculoushttps://orchideight.com/collections/adeptus-ridiculousBelisarius Cawl is an Archmagos Dominus of the Adeptus Mechanicus who has been involved in one of the Imperium's greatest secrets for many centuries. He first appeared openly during the Thirteenth Black Crusade of the late 41st Millennium. Cawl is known as the Dominatus Dominus, the Master of Masters, one of the highest ranks available in the Mechanicum. Unlike many Tech-Priests within the Mechanicum he does not seek to copy or discover lost technology, but to innovate.Support the show

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What's good, man? I think what's good is all the merch you can get at Orchidate.com. Check it out. Enjoy it while you can, because eventually I'm finally going to give us a fancy URL. That's probably like adric.

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That's very true. Just a little scroll, you know. True and valid king. If I sound nasally, I apologize. I am at the end of my sniffly, classic, you know, the general sickness from Anime Expo. I arrived from NMA Expo last week and was like, feeling a little bad.

And then I got one through the whole process, and now I'm just a little bit naisily. Okay, not too bad. It only took you a week to get better. So, you know, considering AX or any con crud, yeah, not too bad. It's about par for the course. Oh, actually, speaking of,

you've always been really good in impressions. Can you give me a Peter the horse is here from Lois? I mean, I can certainly try. Okay, all right, all right. Peter, the horse is here. I don't know if that was good, but... Oh, you haven't actually seen the clip, have you? Nope.

I mean, I'm assuming family guy, but... Yeah, you're right, but that's... It's fine. It's fine. The tone was off because I thought you would see in the clip before. Nope, sorry. All right, that makes sense. I'll let it be. Anyway, today is a fun little episode of the adeptus...

Out of nowhere with some feet of the horses here. Well, I was thinking, like, nasally, and, you know, and, like, most is nasally. I thought it was... part and into the episode, I was like, what the could we be talking about where I need to do a Lois Griffin impression? Hell yeah. Yeah,

I guess that's, I'm fair with that Shai. If you got the quote you want to roll with, let's hit it. Ew. So, Shai says the quote is, and when at last he came upon the vehicle, don't come

on vehicles, he perceived the distress of the engine therein and forthwith struck the ruin and It was good. Thereupon the engine ignited and was filled with strength. Hmm. This... I don't know what this.

This almost seems like some sort of admec thing. Just because it seems like some... Like, the quote is very obviously some dude that is fixing a ruin on an engine. And then it's like, ooh, look, it's all. bubbling with strumpth. Yeah, I mean... It seems more magic than it seems admec. I'm, yeah, okay.

No, it's, it's fair because, like, it's, it's doubly tough to properly get a quote for this one, because, like, there are quotes, but normally the quotes about the topic come from the topic itself. And it's, it's just a little, like, you know, so, so I think, I think we should just roll with it.

And we should just get into the episode, of anything, and not waste too much time. Fair. All right. Let's do it. So we've been doing some character episodes lately, always a fun topic. And we thought that, you know, we did a couple ones previously. We did Savatar. You know, we did some chaos folks and things like that.

And maybe it's about time we... Death to the false emperor. Sure. Death to the false emperor. And it's time we do in a bit of an imperial one. And this will be not a too tough one because you actually know a lot about this character already. We read a book about them. Oh, did we? Okay. We did. Does that give you maybe a bit more of a hint that we read a book about them combined with the quote? Um, makes me think, now it makes me

think Arcan Land because Land Raider. No, but that would actually, it's obviously an engine, right? That would make a really good episode though. We should, we should talk about Arkin Land and like the the memes, the the truths. What's in the books? What he actually did? Yeah, that would be a very good episode. Next week on Adeptus Ridiculous. That would not suck.

Okay. No, we're talking about the other major admec character today. Ah, Belisarius call, clearly. Belisarius call. Arch. I was half joking, but I was like, actually, that makes sense. I mean, we did read a book about the guy. We did, yeah, yeah.

Archmago's call, bellisarius call, mad scientist call, you know, not fabricator general call. Nope, nope, nope, nope, that's what he wants to be, right? Well, sort of. Sort of. And that's kind of what goes a little bit in this. I mean, that's a tough one. But like, okay, Belisarius call. Very popular.

The belly boy. Belly, well, he does, yeah, he does have like the funny belly. He does, he does a little bit of, and he's, he has more attachments than, um, uh, an easily swooned girl? Um, I, I, mm, you got the vibe, but it, it, it, it needs salt to taste a little bit. Yeah, definitely. Definitely needs a little seasoning, a little time on the grill. Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, well, regardless, um, so we did read Bellasarius call the work. It is a, I think we both left the book like okay on it.

I don't think we loved it. Yeah, it was, it was all right. I gave it like a B minus, maybe a C plus. I'm trying to remember his great work was that he

wanted to Oh, if you don't remember the great work, then clearly it wasn't the the most, the staple of book Yeah It had something to do with like Blackstone, right?

There's a lot of things. This, the Primaris Project was a big part of it. Yeah, yeah. I definitely remember the Primaris Project, and he had the Primaris Bodyguard that was constantly suffering, but was uber powerful. There's hats.

I mean, the great work, I think, kind of referred to, like, it was kind of like a bit of a colloquial. It was utilized in a lot of different ways. there were a lot of things that were classified as the great work. But in that case, you could argue as the Primaris Marines. You could say that it was the Blackstone pylons to, wasn't it to destroy the warp, actually? Yeah, I thought it was like to silence the warp, right?

With all, with as much blackstone as he could get his greedy little hands on. And then doesn't he, no, no, he didn't have a Catan shard. He tricked the Catan to come out of its shard and then like trap it in. like an alternate space way far away. Spoilers for Belisarius Call the Great Work. We do have a book club episode on it. I mean, this is like the go-to book if you want to learn about call. So it makes sense.

This is just kind of like his book for the most part. But I guess anyway, I mean, it covers a bit of his old history. Actually covers quite a bit of his old history. And then it covers a lot of what he's doing in the modern time. So there's a little bit of that like back and forth. fourth for the most part. But yeah, we'll chat about him. So, yeah, call goes from way back in the day, which is the Horace heresy, because the dude

is old as shit. As all good ad mech are. Well, no one is as old as call. Wow, he's the oldest? Yes. Most ad mech tend not to reach past like one to two thousand years. years old because then their enhancements start to kind of go on the fritz and then things go malfunctioning general malfunctions they kind of like lose their mind a little bit um but that is what's left of it

what's left of it uh but that is a canon real uh gw photograph of belisarius call as a young a younger man um working on stuff he's just a guy he's chill he's just a dude he's just a dude he's just He's just a scientist dude that's got, yeah, he's just, he's just, he's just a guy. He's just a guy. He's got like little protractor fingers and he's got a little eye gadget and all that kind of stuff, but that's just call. And call was, was born back during, like I said, the horse Harris's stuff. He was one of the many vat-grown ad mech people. A lot of people that are birthed into the Adepis Mechanicus, early tech acolytes are actually

that grown and often already at. adolescent age by the time they arrive from their vats. Little known fact for that one. Most children normally take a little bit of time to like kind of get used to the world. But call because he's the big smart one absorbed a lot of the data while he was being ingrown in the vat. So when he appears, he's already wicked smart. Okay.

Okay. Wicked smart. He was born. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Oh, I was just saying, Shai said actually before the comments, one, Call was born before the heresy and even before the emperor came to Mars. Oh, sure, sure.

But, like, I'm, yeah, I'm referring more to like his time in the heresy. But yeah, he was, he was born before them. It's just often easy to describe call as being 10,000 years old, because that's like the time frame. But, yes, he is even before that because he has, was, you know, spoke to the emperor himself at times. Which obviously happened pre-pre-heresy. Yeah, yeah. Is there anyone older than call, like, period?

Other than, like, I don't know, a chaos god or, like, a demon. Like, is there, like, he is literally the oldest, period. Are you referring to, are you referring to the universe? Or you referring to, like, the Imperium? Let's say the Imperium. He's got to be, like, the oldest living Imperium person, right? Well, there's the perpetual nonsense, so there's a bit of that crap. But we don't subscribe to that perpetual bullshit here.

We don't love that. So we tend to put that aside, despite how much they're stuck in there. There's Big E, I guess. You could say Big E. Well, do we count him as a... I guess he is alive, Airquins. We count him as alive. He is alive, sure.

I mean, we can... We can debate it, but for the most part, all that matters is that call is really, really, really old. Okay. And that's all that matters, the most. I was just curious how he felt about the Imperium, because he's seen just how far the Imperium has fallen from, like, what Biggie wanted it to be.

And I was like, how much does he care? That's the funny part about Call, is that you might say that parts of him care, but then sometimes parts of him don't care. And then he chooses, like, a various type of personality of which actually does care. Yeah, like there are parts of the doctrine that he fully subscribes to. Like he 100% believes in the machine god. And he believes that the emperor is the omnisiah, i.e.

The prophet of the machine gods. So like he still believes in that stuff. He's still ad mech to that core. But obviously we talk a lot about ad mech. And we talk about their, well, calls propensity for not giving much of shit about a lot of the admec doctrines, but we'll get to that in a moment. Yeah. He's a rule breaker.

Yeah. But I mean, like many members of the ad mech, he believed in the importance of the human form and the human soul. Without humanity, no matter how many modifications you make, you need to keep that part of you that is human. That's why necrons are an abomination. And yet a dude who's like barely even a brain is not an abomination. him. Of course.

Because they're slightly hypocrites, but that's the fun part of Admec, and that's why we love them. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Cool. So Call himself got really big into a lot of the more nefarious parts of Admec culture and stuff. He liked a lot of weird modifications. For example, he liked to do little brain enhancements to himself that were very illegal, but it let him increase his own intelligence and make him smarter, which is like, yeah, you benefit, because now I can make all kinds of good stuff and I can give us advancements. So sure, the ends justified the means to him. It's also kind of, kind of fucking gigacad to do brain surgeries on yourself. That's just like, that is a pretty big move.

That's just kind of baller. That is impressive. Yeah. Like, like, like, like genuinely, what badass. Yeah, being able to open up your brain and open up your head and just work on yourself and be like, ah, yes, I've now made myself 10% smarter. So is your skin back onto your skull. I was crazy. I took two limitless pills to limit myself. Oh. Okay. But ironically, which is hilarious looking at call now, he actually kind of kept away from a law of the cybernetic changes to himself in the beginning because he believed in like that human part of him kind of like land a little bit

you know okay like Arkin Land wasn't that crazy tech priestie with how he looked I mean like look at that picture of call right like he's still got most of his face sure he does he does but yeah you you saying like oh yeah he cared about his his human stuff

he didn't have too many attachments and the call that I know it's like he what That boy has so many arms and legs and axes and mechadendrites and his bottom half is like a giant freaking metal centipede thing. That man cares about his attachments. Don't tell me anything about that. Damn. But again, 10,000 years.

Yeah, not back then. I always forget about Arkin Land's insane goatee. And his monkey. And his monkey. monkey. I always, what a, what a, what a, we need to do an episode on our end, but yes. Um, but yes. So, uh, at the time, though, and you may remember a little bits of this during the,

the great workbook, but before that, uh, he had this old lady he, he worked with, I believe was a mistress as well. I think they might be like kind of boinkin. Um, uh, but it was there, or maybe he was mistress as in like master as in like a superior, but who knows? Maybe, maybe the guy fucked. I don't know. Maybe both.

Maybe both. It was Hester Aspercia Sigma Sigma. What a name. What a name. We'll just call it Sigma Sigma for now, you know. Sigma Sigma Sigma. She was Sigma squared, Sigma Grind. She hit that Sigma grind set like a mother.

She, well, she was a Magus Domina of the Mechanicum at the time. And she was really good at cloning and something known as soul merging, which I think is not as literal as it is, more so like a mixing of personalities and dominant personalities, not like, oh, not like necrons souls. Right, right. That was a big part of the book, fair. Yes, I'm starting to, I'm starting to put the pieces together. I'm starting to remember little bits about the great works now. Okay, okay. So she defected to Horace during the heresy. Call feigned defecting as well, and eventually found himself being a able to kill Sigma squared, destroy a lot of the clones, and then download all of that

knowledge of cloning and soul merging for himself. You may, I think right after this, you may remember the part in the book where him and one of his close advisors, advisors, a gentleman named Friedich were trying to make their way back into imperial space after fake defecting. And the imperials were like firing on them. And they were like, God damn, what are we going to do? and Freach is like the Freach is kind of like the scientist character and like freaking out

they're all gonna die and call is cool calm and collected like don't worry I got this I got this yeah Call is also like goofy goofy a guy yeah yeah yeah he's the overconfident main character

well he's also like the main scientist character because he very much has that kind of jokingly kind of old man jovial wacky wahoo Fritzy Dr. Frankenstein hair kind of vibe to him. Yeah, definitely mad scientist call for sure.

But Friedich and himself made their way back and continued their work during the heresy era, which eventually got to the point where they went under the, would you call it like, I don't know, I guess you could call it like, not subservience, but more so like a, I don't know, tutelage, that kind of thing. Call it, call, really. You could call it call. You could call, better call call call. Better call, yeah, yeah.

That would be a good, like, you know, like the better call Saul 3D intro. It's just like Call's face and they're like, bough, bha-w-wow. Call would probably make a great lawyer, too. He'd make a fantastic lawyer. Oh, yeah. He'd out think the system. Yep. Shai, I'm going to jump to that when we talk about sedain, which speaking of, this was the

tutelage of underneath Ezekiel Sedain. Ezekiel Sedain, you may remember a bit. He was a little part of the book. And he was just a incredibly good human scientist back in the day. He met the emperor, was, you know, like, was kind of, I think at this point, like just a major lord geneticist. I think he worked along with like a bar Astardi who helped make, can you guess? Astardies.

Wow, we've done it. Mm-hmm, we've done it. Mm-hmm. But doesn't old Astardis end up getting a little bodied and try to be like, uh-oh, I don't like this and then tries to like stop it and then gets killed and then the Astardis get made anyway and called the Astardis because, ha ha, we still did it, loser. That's for a whole other episode. Okay. That's for a whole other thing. But point being, Ezekiel Sedain was par of that giant,

super important geneticist division to help make the primarks and the Astardis and do all that crazy crap. However, Ezekiel Sedain had really a really bad case of old man. Oh, right. Zadain was the one that was juicing himself on Xenos blood or something, right? To prolong his life, even though it was a, really bad case of old man. like super painful or something. It was doing the most rejuvenant treatments

possible and eventually just straight up could not keep it up. So, he wanted to continue the emperor's work and achieve immortality and by doing so, use soul merging and cloning with call. And if you may remember, he

attempted to do this by going up to Friedich and shooting him in the goddamn chest. Yeah. And being like, well, there's only one way to save him. Yeah. You got you got to merge your mind with me. I'm the only one who knows how to save his life. Yep.

And so they do the mind merge, but Call, being as intelligent as he is, was like, nah, I'd win. And then won and then won and became the dominant personality with Sedain now and their personality permanently buried somewhere in Call's enormous consciousness. Yeah. No getting out for him. So it's not quite like the brain upload from Soma, because that's just what Shai said before. for it. Not quite, because in Soma, it's just, it's a coin flip. Like, you might be the one that moves on. You might be the one that's stuck in the facility that's about to blow up, right? I thought, I thought it wasn't a coin flip. I thought in Soma, it was like literally just a copy.

And like, it's, it's just a copy. Like, the U version will always be the problem. Okay, I thought they said it was a coin flip and it just, or at least I thought they said, like, in the dialogue, like, at the end, they were like, Oh, yeah, it's a, oh, does he say it's a coin flip just to kind of cope with the fact that he's the one that's stuck in the facility that's about to, that was my biggest issue with Soma, yeah. My biggest issue with Soma is the simple fact that they were like, like, the guy just kind of forgot that he was told that it's a copy and he just like tried to cope with it and then it didn't work. Got you. Okay. Yeah, I guess I always thought it was actually just a coin flip. I didn't realize that that was just a cope. Yeah, no. I mean, like, in a sense. sense, you could argue it's a coin flip in the sense that like, well, the personality that

arrives afterwards is going to think that they're actually the person the whole time, but they're actually not. But like the you that goes into sitting in the chair to do the upload will never ever be the one who gets the upload. You will just be gone. Okay. The thing about call is that he has all of these personalities, but in reality, these personalities and the people that he like merges into his consciousness, it's like digitally uploading an entire copy of your, of like your brain and your personality into your body. Uh, yeah.

Okay. It's, it's very strange. Yeah. It's, it's very difficult to describe. And it's, it's one of the reasons why,

like, it's, it's one of the reasons why call is, is a confusing at times. character because, you know, it's like you have banks of stored data that are people. And so call, in a sense, is like picking and choosing from other personalities and therefore other intelligences. Actually, there was that part in the beginning of the book when he's like going to go out

and he's like picking weaponry. And he basically just like chooses a personality for the battle. He's like, I'm going to go with my logical personality today. and then and then he was goofy aw-looking ass call. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. He did, didn't he? Yeah, whatever, whatever personality you need call to be,

he can just kind of like, he can just kind of pick it, which creates a bit of an issue because then, you know, then you get a little bit of a Shepathias thing there. Like, well, then who's the original call? Yeah, that's true. Is he even call anymore or is he, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ooh, that, that, damn, shy's quick with it. You want to read that? that comment? Ooh. Call's humanity has long since been stripped away. He maintains different files of personalities, which he accesses depending on the situation. By the end of the Indomitous Crusade, Call had artificially replicated his own sentience to the point where he could no longer be said to be a single individual.

Call kept each sub-call limited to prevent the core intelligence from being threatened. Wow. Oh man I did not I did not remember that he had like all of the little sub file personalities And that's just so weird Because yeah that's that's like you said That's so ship of Theseus

Where it's like yes we've repaired the ship of Theseus so many times And it has so many different parts on it It's like is it even anymore Like is that even call? Like that's not really call anymore Like he's something Completely different Right

He is something completely different different. And even more humorously, Call has at least minimum on two occasions had his mind wiped. So for whatever possible reason that is, there are other times where his like memories have been wiped. So even like Horace Harris, Heresy era call doesn't like he doesn't remember a lot of the stuff from the time because he's had his mind wiped and then has all his personalities that he's integrated into his body. Um, well, somewhat. at sometimes because you may remember he has a buddy like like a like a like a servant named um what was a cuvo coo coo i forget how it's how it oh oh it's like it's a q vo um sure

and that is like that's just he calls it freeditch because friedich died but he really liked freeditch so he has this little like little like cloned servant of frieditch in a way but it's um they do the thing with like uh like they do in destiny where it's like cuvo 87 which is like the 87th version of the clone yeah right so i'm pretty positive i think um i think he died frieditch died again with a battle with necrons and then got the next cuvo again which is then cubo 88 yeah i i do vaguely remember uh frieditch being kind of uploaded into the um into the servant thing But I could have, I guess I had thought that, like, at the end of the book, he was like, oh, yeah, come help me out, Friedich.

And the robot was like, buddy, I'm not Friedich. Yeah, he constantly is like, why are you calling me Friedich? I'm not free ditch. That's not me, buddy. You got the wrong guy. And he's like, I know. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

It's fine. He's just coping a little bit. That's right. So he lost his memory twice for unknown reasons. He sometimes, he sometimes he would dump data on purpose. Because he just holds such an astronomically large amount of intelligence. His storage space was running out, huh? Wait, I didn't know.

Wait, wait, is this actually true shy? In the OG Sherlock Holmes books, he does know that the Earth rotates around the sun because he thinks it's worthless data and it takes up valuable time in his mind which you can use to solve crimes. So, wait, he literally did that meme where, like, the guy asked someone his name

and, like, puts it in his brain to, like, shoves out the other, like something else. Because there's just not enough space in there. Shai, please tell me you got that vocabulary meme that I saw that one time where it's like making space for like new words in the brain. And the brain pushes out the word like saute and then inputs the word bussy. I've never seen that. What do you mean? I love that meme. I love that means you got to make space for new topical words.

So you push out the word saute and it's like, ah, now there's room for the word busy. That's wild. and mildly hilarious. I think I saw that on Kariot's Twitter. I was like, oh, I love this meme. Oh, this is great. Oh, God. That hits a very certain nerve.

That's that zoomer brain, dude. But yes, Belisarius call, and there's the Friedrich thing going on with that. But at the time, way back when he was, a call was tasked, you know, heresy-era things with the, Primera Space Marine Project, right? Because that's the big claim to fame for Call is the Primaris Space Marine Project.

And he spent the last 10,000 years time you to get it done, never really could. Revived Rebutte Gilliman. And by reviving Rubute Gilman, Gilliman, I believe gave him the sang Primus Portum, which if I'm not mistaken is, I'm double checking this. I believe it contains the gene seat of like all 20 original primarks. Oh, even the lost ones, huh? Apparently it says all 20s, so apparently the lost ones.

Wow. Okay, cool. So theoretically, Call could remake the second and 11th legions of the space marines. I don't remember what happened to the sang primus portem, but it could, yeah, it could be, Yeah, that's, that's right. That's right. He was like, only use the loyal gene seed call and calls like, yeah, huh, yeah, why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, sure, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, crosses fingers behind back, promise.

Cross my heart. If you may remember a certain alpha primus character in the great work was supposedly a combination of all 20 of the genetic material, which is why he was like the most horrifying frankenstein. Einstein's monster out there and constantly suffered. Yep, he, he, he wanted, he wanted life to be over. He was done, dude. I'm like, I'm so tired of suffering, dude. Boss, I'm tired.

Yeah, Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good. Yeah, he was not having a good time. But that's actually, that's a fascinating point to get to because Cole obviously did the primary space marine stuff, which is initially the concept that like, oh, this is like, uber heresy because you can't invent and you most, because invention is in its own right a divine process, you know, you do

not invent because inventing is only for God or the machine god in that case. Yep, I was going to say admec super don't like invention. So this is like ultra heresy for them. But in a way though, call has also found a lot of STCs in his time. He has a pretty good

number under his belt. And so, like, it's not, it wouldn't be surprising if the guy like, hey, here's all these grab tanks I just invented. And in reality, the grav tanks were just kind of part of this STC. Now, to call maybe be like, well, we could slap like these nine more heavy stumbers onto it and no one were really bad an eye. Sure, he maybe is taking a little bit of the piss. Yeah, but, so he didn't really, and it's possible he didn't invent. the Grav tank, he just added attachments to it. Sure, sure.

And pretended it was his. That being said, he was given a combination of 20 Primark gene seeds and invented a new way to make space marines. So, so... Yeah, so it's like, hey, you know, you want to do that other weird thing? I guess we're cool with that, but you better do something great with that gene seed. And he does. He does. He does.

The scales even out. It's a weird It's a weird thing about talking about calls Use of heretical means Because on one hand He has used Zenos tech He worked with Trazen for some of the Necron Pylons

That's right He did work with, yep, yep You know, he used Yonari stuff To help revive Gilliman He's done a lot of that shit shenanigan That's a no-no but he has also found a lot of STCs that he can point to and be like

I found it from this thing over here which is its own weird thing Yeah call is a weird balancing of the scales Also shows the kind of the hypocrisy of the Imperium Right where it's like no no these are the laws And it's like well Except when it benefits us Then a little heresy is okay

Because boy we sure do like the primaries And boy we sure do like this stuff that call gave us so oh, give him a free pass. That's the weird part, is that for the most, if I had to point to the single, single thing that keeps call from getting his ass eaten out

by everybody, it is 100% Gilliman. Oh, yeah, because he revived him. So Gilliman would go to Bat for Call, wouldn't he? It's not even going to Bat for Call. Gilliman thinks the dude is a weirdo.

but it's the fact that Gilman is sanctioning his things Okay gotcha I remember this I was thinking of this exact same thing shy You want to you want to read this it's great It's great Shai says my favorite result of call Bullshittery with Gene Seed he wasn't He wasn't supposed to touch are the Sons of the Phoenix

Imperial fist successors with about 60 quotes around them who loves purple, Phoenix, uses wing symbol. They love showing off and love attention and literally surrounded by groupies and fans on their crusades who cheer them. Hey, call, you sure these are imperial fists? Okay, sure. It's so fun.

I mean, it's actually kind of funny, too, because they have, like, a two on their knee pad. I know that doesn't identify their legion. I know that because a two would be the, you know, The forgotten legion. Yeah. But yeah, brother, these are, these are, these are emperous children. Come on now.

I was going to say, these are, uh, not second. It's third legion is emperor's children, right? Damn, how did you, that's like one of the harder ones to remember. What can I say? I'm just impressed. What's the first legion? Some of us are just built different, dark angels. Ah, nice.

All right, good job. Let's call. built different baby yeah built yeah built with the third jean seed yikes uh but you know call because that's that's one of the big things to talk about with call because you talk about his personality and his weirdo combinations of multiple personalities the dissociativeness whatever of it the mad scientist vibes the the goofy awe old man frizzed hair um 1940s scientist memes. You get all that kind of stuff with call.

And then you give him a massive amount of political power. Because Gilliman is like, go do it. Go do this primary space marine project. I'm telling you to do it. And because of that, well, you know, you don't really talk back to the Lord Commander of the Imperium and current regent of the entire humanity. Yeah, kind of hard to talk back to him. Be like, you're doing it wrong.

It's like, hell I am. Yeah, hell I am. I have Gilliman's permission. Get out of my face. Go take it up with him. And it's like, um, no, no, never mind. Just JKLOL. Yeah, I mean, people don't like call.

The admec do not like call. They don't trust call. But also, some of admec really like call because call in a sense is getting all of what he needs from the region of the Imperium, which is, uh, Gilman, which in a sense is the son of the Omnisiah, which is a pretty big title, you know? Yeah. If they believe that Biggie is the Omnisiah, it's like, well, if Giliman says it's okay and he's Biggie's, I don't want to say his favorite son, but he is his son of him.

Yeah. You kind of just go with what he says. Yeah, it's like, well, God's not giving me these orders, but Jesus is. So, like, I think that's good enough. It's good enough for my book. Yeah, sure. Or I guess in this case it would be marked the son of Jesus Because the god is the machine god

And if the on the side is the prophet It doesn't matter It's semantics Semantics yeah That's neither here nor there You get the idea You don't say no to Gilliman if you're admec You don't yeah

You don't say no to Gilman Despite all of the heretical processes Though I mean I know shy is waiting for this But we got to talk about the call familiar The call familiar Because it's All familiar.

It's really funny. Also, before we do, where does Call keep all of the, all of the, the, the, the, the primark gene seat? Because that, if Chaos found out that call had every Primark's gene seed at his beck and call, he would be target number one. So he's got to keep that thing under the craziest lock-in key ever, right? the so i mean it's almost like not even worth trying to figure out where because he probably has like

14 contingencies for his contingencies for his contingencies because it's the most and it's the most important prize ever though it wouldn't surprise me if he kept it mostly like under under key in

probably like macroggs um what's name of his of his damn ship that the something of McCrog Oh fuck Macrog's honor I'm pretty sure that's like That's like Gilliman's flagship

So I'm pretty sure he'd probably put it there Or maybe he put Maybe it's on Mars Or maybe Maybe it's like one of his other 15 planets That he stores random crap in To be fair Just putting it right in like the center of McCrug

Where it's completely defended by ultramarines That would never second guess him because, oh yeah, you know, Papa gave him the okay. Would probably be a pretty good place to store it. Oh, not Macrogg. McRogg's honor, which is the flagship of Gilliman, which is also pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good to have Gilliman himself safeguarding it.

Also, solid decision. It would definitely, yeah, actually, come to think of it, the novel Gene Father would have actually been a pretty good sequel to this little episode as well, because Fabius Bile is, you know, attempting to get a lot of that stuff. Yeah, I was going to say, if Chaos knew that all of the Primark Gene Seed was up for grabs, they'd be like, you know what? We should, we should crusade a little bit, don't you think? Yeah, Bile was able, yeah, so there's a little, there's a little bit there that Shy is posting.

Though I don't really quite want to read it just for like, it's like probably spoilers for, for Gene Father, which they just come out in like October of last year. Oh, wow. But a major, a major part of Gene Father is Bile trying to steal the gene seed and all the stuff from, from Call and all of his fancy stuff. So, yeah. That is a big part of it. Sure. But I got, I got to talk about the call, the Call Inferior, because it's so fucking funny, dude.

I don't know. It's like, the Call Inferior, okay? So call has created a device to emulate himself. Oh. He has created a version of himself specifically to communicate with Gillamim in the stead of himself as calls off going doing his own shit, right? Okay. Now, okay, I, reading, reading the way to get to the call inferior is absolutely. absolutely hysterical to me because it feels like it feels like a family guy skit where peter is going through like highly wait no i remember this there's like a there's like an old family guy skit where he's going to go to like a porno mag and he's like it's like hidden behind like 14 mission impossible doors oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's basically that it's wild okay so um so um i i i i got i i i

I've got to read this like verbatim. Located deep in McCrogg's honor, the entrance of the call inferior starts at the personal quarters of Rabutei Gilliman in a hidden space within the quarter or in a hidden space in the cores is a gene locked elevator with weapons to kill anyone but Gilamim.

Them, they do a retinal scam and then once you're inside the elevator, the protocols get more intensive, including arcane devices and weird armatures to test Gilliman's body, mental state, and spiritual aura. He needs to be maxing. Then the elevator...

He's got to be spirit maxing. He's got to be spirit maxing. He's got to be warp maxing. The elevator then descends 200 decks to where it is at its only single destination, covered in red artificial lighting with a bunch of three interleaving sets of doors with mere thick hex steel protected by more security tests. Then the inner chamber is 20 meters across and smells of ozone oil, curdled milk, and blood with a grilled floor covered in humming machines dividing the two. From this, it leads to a tiny quarter where the astrapath prime, a guy named Guidus Lucente,

his name is Guidus. Are you shitting me? Gidus. I'm going to guideus you to him. And then once they meet, the doors then comprise of three massively thicker doors in sequence to enter the area. This is the thing. I'm like, I see it.

And then in the call inferior's components, there are 20 separate, severed human heads in glass, servitor heads, in glass tanks surrounding the area covered in tidy little cables and plates. Once they arrive, they then light up in like a yellow,

a yellow vat and all the heads like scream for a little bit as they're turned on. Oh no. And then to operate, I'm not even close to being done. And then to operate it, you interact with voice commands. So call inferior requires both Gillamim and the astrapath gentleman, Lysentie. Lysentie begins a command initiation sequence. Both identities are verify them.

After that, both are genes scanned. After that, a code from Lusenti is required in which Gillamim is then put a sound barrier over. Gilliman can't hear it. If Gilliman tries to read his lips, he's flashbanged. Which is, once... So that's happened before. If he's, if, if, right? How else would you know he gets flashbanked?

He must have tried at some point. He gets Las strobed. So once that's dumb, the dampener is lifted from Gilliman's hem to which Giliman then states his own code, which is a sequence of nonsensical words that change depending on the date. And then, and then the server at her heads open, a activation code is then required, which is said astropathically to Lucentie by call, which then is repeated three times, and that begins the awakening right. And then Lucentie leaves to give them privacy. It's so fucking funny, dude. Oh, my God.

I love the fact that, like, there are, there is a astrophatic guide. whose only job on the ship, sit in the vault, wait for Gilman to come by, do the ritual, open the thing, get the back to your posts. And all these sliver heads, and the servitor heads are just down there like, oh, man, I hope Gilman does.

Ah! It's like, So whenever the call inferior speaks, all of the, All of the heads speak with it. Remember the Krogan and the Racknigh thing in Mass. Yeah. Singing the songs of black oil.

Yeah, that kind of stuff. So this communicates with another call inferior on calls ship as well, because this is apparently a construct that just knows and understands everything about call, knows what call would say and does all that kind of stuff. Okay. Now, does that sound like an AI to you? Uh, yeah, that sounds like a super advanced AI to me. It sounds like it does sound a little bit like a call AI.

Yes, it does. Well, it does a little bit like a call AI, you know? It sure does. Call has affirmed Gilliman. I would never do that. I would never do that. No way, bro. No way.

And Gilman just like, yeah, I believe you, sure. No, Gilman doesn't believe, Gilman doesn't believe shit. Okay. He's just like, ah, it works, though. It's, well, it's bad. All right, you want to read the very tiny spoiler for Genefather? Okay. Shia says, it's a spoiler for Genefather, but I promise it's a small one.

Call also has a Gilliman inferior. It's literally a very shitty copy of Robutei, which is brave and bombastic, but also stupid and naive. Call keeps it secret on his own ship as a joke, and also as a means to guess how Gilliman will react to Call's next great idea. It's great that he has just a jokey Robute Gilliman AI on his damn ship. It's like the kids that Use AI to like make You know Robert De Niro show up in like a maiboline ad or something Like he's just kidding oh

It's my funny little Rubute Gilman I think of it almost like a He-Man thing There he's like ha ha It is I Raboutet savior of the Imperium What can I do for you today? Kind citizen Overly dramatic Yeah Captain America sitting in the chair

Right Yes yes exactly that That's exactly Captain America. Sitting in the chair. But what's particular, yeah, we really should read Gene Fitt father. I hear it's good. But anyway, what's humorous, though, is, remember, you said call wants to be like the fabricator general on Mars, right? Mm-hmm.

So the call inferior wants to be the fabricator general. on Mars. The call inferior is like, Gilliman, if you give me Mars, I will give you the galaxy. That's like an actual quote from the inferior, which is suss as shit. Yeah, it's a little suspicious,

but tempting offer, I'm sure. And Call heard this and was like, what the hell? That's weird. I don't want to do that. I don't care about Mars. I got to look into that. I think the call inferior has got it some, some, got some issues to work out.

I love that. Like, Gilman just like, uh, hey, call. I, uh, I don't know if you knew this, but your inferior just said this thing. And Call's like, uh, it's like, that's strange. Your honor, I plead, no, uh, uh. That's strange. I should really take a look at my inferior then. Um, because the call inferior has, on occasion, had emotional outbursts against

Gilliman. Oh. Been like, gotten like, mad and had like emotional issues but dk i promise you this is not an a i promise brother i would never lie to you i would never i am a loyal subject and a loyal believer in the emperor and the omnis i would never use a i that's against the rules i would never i would never no not me i'm a good boy You're gonna, that's like the little fingers touching emote like me, my, my, with my 20 servitor heads. I would never do that to you, uh-woo, gill, uh-women.

Yep. Yep. Did you call them o-wuman? Because of like, uh-uh-wool-w-man. No, that's bad, minus two. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome.

No, everybody's going to use that now. Everybody doesn't put woo in the middle of Gilman now. It's going to be a thing. You watch. You watch. You know our fans. Yeah, it's, it's so. drawing him with like the cat face and the heart eyes and doing the pointing thing.

Yep. It's, it's just, it's just so funny to me that like, call has made an AI, not AI version of himself to just, like, he's made a sort of kind of just to just to talk to Gilliman from really far away and help him with like his counsel and asking questions and all this kind of stuff. And he's just like the, the call inferior wants to take over. over Mars as the fabricator general and Colin's just like huh that's weird I should really I should really fix that. Yeah it's a swear it's a bug I swear

I'll get right on that yep meanwhile the dude is out there like making brand new tanks with gravity engines and all this other crazy crap and all the ad mech are like what are we doing bro? He can't be allowed to do that

he's a her attack I always I got, okay, I got to be honest, there's a lot of, like, GW naming sequences that bug me, you know, like, Amar Astardi and all that crap.

But the fact that they call heretics that are ad mech, heritex, I find actually quite funny. That's just dumb enough to be like, okay. I was unaware they called them

heretics. I thought it was like Shai said, I thought they were just tech, it was just tech heresy and they were just tech heretics. No, it's Hera, T-E-K, heretic.

that's funny though that one I find funny that one I find funny plus two ad mech plus two yeah yeah yeah but yeah I mean I mean Gene father like we did Belisarius

called the great work we didn't love it but if you like ad meck and you want to learn about call that kind of is the book for it oh yeah as for Gene father we haven't read it yet though based on people who one we both love Bile

Bile's great we do And Call is just really funny And a really great time A really fun character to chat about I think it might be something that we've got to put on the list At some point soon Because that is the next step

For Call in general for like lore I mean right now I think he's like Doing a super weapon war with Vash Thor and the Silent King So there's also that Man that's got to be one hell of a show Watching those three try to out super weapon themselves Who It's a time

it is a time. Also, yeah, we do have to do the Horace Harrison the Horace Rising book. But before we round out the episode, quick Belisarius call. Well, yeah, we always do it like the last week so we remember.

Yeah. Quick Belisarius call on the tabletop stuff. Just because. Oh, good call. Good call. Good call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said it twice and then I saw the gears turning. Yeah.

The steam started playing. looming and I was like, oh. Mm-hmm. But I must, I got to show this real quick. Yeah, I painted Cole.

He's a nightmare. Oh, wow. Did you really? Did you really? Yeah. He's absolutely ludicrous. I need to find an image of him,

in a different image of him. Because it's, it doesn't really go or do much credit on how big he is. I would imagine for that. That would be one of those minis where you just base the whole thing in silver and then I guess you

go in and pick out everything that shouldn't be metallic. I mean, maybe a little bit, but like even that. I guess you could use like the why am I drawing a blank on the spray gun, the paint gun, the oh airbrush. Airbrush.

Oh, why was that so hard? Here we go. Like here's a Primera Space Marine. Like there's Alpha Primus next to him in a sense. Like he's really big. He's huge. He is a huge model. He's like Primark sized.

Yeah. Big boy. That's a big base. Yes, huge base. Recently the IMEC were really bad, but they got a bunch of buffs lately. Yay. And his weapons are pretty funny. So he repairs himself every like, I went into your turn, which is fun.

He has his solar atomizer. It's like a giant heat gun that just does a, it's like a crap load of damage, all kinds of stuff. But I find his melee really funny. So he has like his big omniscian axe. And then he has his arc scourge, which is like an anti-veicle thing. But my favorite is his mechadendrite hive,

which is basically a bunch of his tiny little pincer arms. They just like kind of come out like a million little hands and just start like poking you. Oh. I was going to say I've never heard of a mechadendrite hive, but I have to assume it is a ton of little hands that just Yeah, a ton of little mechandriis that just come out and start like Big Bebe Be Be Beat little spider hands.

You know, he's like a buffing piece. He's got a big A.O.E that does like a bunch of different abilities, much like a Primark. He's basically as tough as a tank. He is almost the same stat line as a rhino, which is just hilarious to me. because he's so big. He's a tank.

He's a tank. He is not infantry. I'm a tank. He is a monster, not infantry, which is very, very funny to me. He is a monster. I don't know if he's like good at the moment. He might be okay. But it's just very enjoyable to see him as like basically, see him painted up and everything.

See him paint it up. See him on the tabletop is always fun. And he basically has the stat line of a prime arc. He's like the primark for the ad me. For the ad mech. As well, if you're going to have someone be sort of a primark character for the admec,

it's got to be called, right? I mean, he is the named guy, you know? Yeah. It makes sense. And I mean, he is like half the points of Rabutee Gilliman and Lionel Johnson, but that's because he doesn't hit nearly as hard as they do. Yeah.

Yeah. But he shouldn't. No, he shouldn't. He's not meant to be a melee monster. He's a buffing piece. He brings a little bit of everything. thing. He's a guy.

I like, I like call. In the, in the looser sense, he is a guy. In the looses sense. He's a, he's, he's,

he's, he's, more metal than man. He is more metal than man. That is, that is a understatement. He's barely man. Barely.

He's got a little skin on his face. I can see it. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's a lot, less of a man. He's more, like four to ten different personalities that he picks from like a like a class in overwatch and then just goes out there is trace say here the death to the heretics

yeah he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's min maxing in final fantasy 14 for all the webes out there he's max level 90 with all classes what do you mean mid maxing mid maxing is like a term for everything not just final fantasy whatever what is it what is he maxing Is he tech maxing? Is he... Oh, he's got to be tech maxing, right? Oh. He's heresy maxing is what he's doing.

He is speed running how much heresy he can get away with. There's a lot. Speed running. Yeah, he's speed running the heresy, brother. He wants to be on a... Heretic, thank you, sir. Oh, sorry. Heretic.

Thank you, thank you. At the moment, though, you know, Call is in the current time of recording this. He is out fighting Vashdor and the Silent King in a giant super weapon duel. And I'm not quite sure what we're at with the Prya Nexus pack yet in terms of lore, but at some point we'll get that.

We can figure it out. You know, speaking of Heretics and Vashdor, Bricky, who's your favorite chaos god? My favorite chaos god? Yeah, who's your favorite chaos god? That's a great question. You know, out of corn, Slanesh, Nurgle. That's a great question.

Who's your favorite chaos god, my friend? I reject the premise of the question. Why? Why can't you just pick aside? Thank you, everyone. I like Slanesh and- Very much for watching this episode of Adepis Ridiculous. You are such a loser.

Belisari's Paul, everybody. He's a great guy. He feeds Vashdor technically. Technically. even though Vash Tor is not a chaos god yet. That's great. Did you make that shy or was that a comment? Did you make...

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