Adeptus Ridiculous - BETRAYER | Warhammer 40k Book club & review

Episode Date: September 18, 2022

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You know what else I'd buy for a dollar What's that? Just a picture of Arabis's stupid fucking face getting a just just caved in by a world eater's gauntlet

just a big fist right to that that inscribed smug fucking face yeah the what was it yesterday before recording or two days or whenever the last

recording was the first thing I told you was fuck Arabis all my homies hate Arabis and oh man he's a bitch he is he is stone cold a bitch. He, I must admit, I think I've actually gone full circle in horseshoe theory and started to like

Arabis in the sense of, in the sense of like, they were able to write a character so deplorable and loathsome and slimy and squealy that I love how much I hate him. I love like the fervent hatred that's just like pure and unbound for. this man. He's the dung eater. The loathsome dung eater. The loathsome dung eater. He is so deplorable.

Fuck him. Oh my God. I know. I told you So, our book, what is our book, D.K.? Betrayer. Betrayer. Ricks and by. Aaron Dembski Bowden, right? Yep. Of Nightlord's

Trilogy and First Heretic fame. First Heretic being the prequel, so to speak, of The Trier. Somewhat, continuing the story of Argel Tall and Lorgar, so to speak. Definitely kind of throws us in a little bit out of nowhere. Yeah, a little bit. Lorga got some pumped up kicks since we saw him last in the first Heretic. Lorgar be hitting that juice. Yeah.

A little, a little bit of psychic warp juice, you know. A little bit of demon power juice. Yep, he's been building, you know, he's built a couple of new toys, you know. So, so good old betrayer, voiced by Jonathan Keeble, who has done many, many 40K books. Yep. And it's funny because we've, I think he is, has he voiced any other 40K books that you have, and I have listened to? Um, his voice definitely didn't sound that familiar, so I'm gonna say no. I don't think so.

Ironic, because most of the things I've read in order to prepare for episodes, Praetorian of Dorn, the Alpharius book, the Vulcan one, I think we're all Jonathan Keeble, which is humorous because I have heard him a lot. And I've heard him, this is my first time, my first experience with him. And he's very good. Um, he is. There's, there's definitely a little bit of, uh, Angron should not talk like this.

Yeah, I'm not sure how I felt about the way Angron talk. Sometimes when he was like, just really, like, racked with, like, anguish, it sounded all right. But when he was just talking, it just, I don't know, he sounded kind of nerdy. And I'm just like, I'm nasally. Yeah, I'm Mangron. And it's like, ah. I expected him to sound like more tough and more like, Sort of like savage and animalistic and not like that he forgot to take his inhaler or something.

Yeah, I actually did a little bit of a deeper voice. Him having the high Angron voice definitely threw me off. Pretty much everyone else was great. I liked, I liked Lorgar, perfect for Lorgar. Oh yeah, Lorgar was spot on. Karn threw me off in the beginning a little bit, but then I kind of remember this is before hardcore corruption Karn. Yeah.

This is intelligent. Karn? Yeah, and most of the time when Kahn was talking, he wasn't, like, totally gripped by the nails, so I could see him being a little more subdued a little bit. I'm never sure how Magnus is supposed to sound. Because, like...

Yeah. Because, like, man, his mini is yoked. Like, he is a big, scary motherfucker, but it's like... I mean, pre-herit... He talks like this. He has... And this little voice of our Largar. I'm your

science professor. I know more than you do. And it's like, I guess that makes sense because he's all about like the warp psycher shit. He's supposed to be the dork of the sons, right? So I guess. Are you seriously watching porn by yourself? No, I'm with a thousand sons. We're all watching it. Oh. Jonathan Keeble, for his great, great VA work, I found that he falls into a very similar voice. quite often. Oh, yeah. He has the Lorgar Pious

and Importance thing. And then he has the soft voice of any kind of female character he does. And then he has the,

um, Karn, the first betrayer, Karn voice that he does as well. And then he has his nasely voice. He falls into these very similar

vocal patterns. Mm-hmm. But, Betrayer, yes, it is Arjel Tall of Word Bear's fame and uh... Ra.

Rom. Rom. Rom. Rom. Rom. The, the demon inside him, as well as Karn of the world eaters, um, taking place over not a very large period of time. Yeah, it's pretty much just, uh, um, amateur and then, armatured.

Armatured. And then you get a little bitty break. And then, uh, it's, uh, it's, um, it's, um, it's, um, it's, um, um, it's, um, over to Angron's home world. Nusaria. Nusaria. Deschenaya is the city, I guess.

Yeah, I think the capital. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's pretty much it. That's the whole progression. Obviously, Armitura takes a little doing. It takes a lot of doing. Like that it's called Armitura,

and it's like the armory of the... It's like the armory world of the Ultramarines. Armatured. Yeah, you know, It's totally like Gilliman to have his realm of Ultramar and the Ultramarines be subtle with their naming. Which I gotta be honest. You know, I actually felt a little bit more appreciation for the Ultramarines in this book.

Agreed. Only because I see the heavy difference between those savage world eaters and then the true like phalanx of duty-bound ultramarines. Yep. And they're, I like them. Gilliman, I like Giliman a lot at the end of this actually. Yeah, I've genuinely started to warm up to the Ultramarines. When I first got into 40K, I was just like, oh yeah, they're perfect, everything is great about them. And then slowly it's like, oh, hey, they're not perfect.

They struggle. They have strife. They fight unwinnable battles. And it's like, oh, okay, they're not perfect. They don't always win. They get deck. They get wrecked. Yeah.

I'm warming up to them. I don't think they're ever going to be in my face. favorite, but I don't have like this fervent hatred every time I hear their name anymore. Which is good. I think. And then of course, we have a couple other thing side characters. We have the woman herself. The abs.

Latara Sarin of the conqueror. Yep. You know, like with all memes, all memes are overblown slightly. Yeah, Latara was overblown a little bit. I mean, she's still a badass. She's pretty baller, and I totally get why the memes are the way they are. But I actually would have liked a lot more screen time with her. Every time she was around, she was actually pretty great, and I'm sad she didn't get an extra 30 minutes of time.

Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, we got the epic, the meme of her shooting the space marine in the face. Yeah. Happens in this book. I didn't realize this is where it happened. Delvarez. Delvaris of the triari Yes the people who are supposed to protect him

Protect all of them yeah The amount of times I mixed up triari and trisagin I cannot even tell you That is totally acceptable and very fair The um Though I did lead to that pretty One of my more enjoyable scenes of the book is when Delvarez has the fight like 25 people

In the goddamn arena Oh yeah yeah yeah and they just keep coming and he keeps fighting him off. Yeah, it was a pretty good little scene there because I think it added a lot to his like, yeah, I fucked up, whatever. Yep, and he was ready to die.

But I also liked it showed like, even though they're like, uh, we're world eaters and we're kind of, you know, herodic cast, it's like, no, there's still a band of brothers, you know, they could have killed Delvaris if they wanted to. But they, you know, welcomed them back in. Yeah.

Definitely interesting seeing the brotherhood we've seen so far between the word bearers, the world eaters, and the night lords. Yeah. The word bearers have quite their zeal and weirdness. I like the world eaters. They were very like, ah, what's up? Headbutts and they felt like Krogan. Definitely.

Oh, definitely Krogan, yeah. Definitely Krogan. And then you go to the night lords and they all just hate each other. Yep. They sure do. It's like, okay. I kind of appreciate seeing the difference. And considering that it was written all by Aaron Dembsky,

out and it's very consistent. I would almost expect the world eaters to be a little more savage since they're just in the throngs of like the nails. I think this is because this is before their giant degradation to corn. Oh, wow. This is the, this is the lead up to it. Yeah. Yeah, this is the acceptable version of the world eaters. Oh, boy.

This is the acceptable version, eh? Yeah. Which you also got the Night of the Wolf we talked about with Russ Oh yeah, the whole book they were just like, yeah, who won? Oh, I've heard both sides say they won. Yes, it's a big mystery until, uh, um... Is it Lorgar that shits on Angron? It's like, you dumbass, you didn't win that at all, you twit?

Yeah, yeah, that was Lorgar. Yep. I've come to a realization, D.K. Oh, what's that? I don't like... Like Lorgar. Wow. Shocking to that.

I thought, you never really had any affinity for him though, did you? That's not like a big surprise. I started to appreciate him more because I understood him. But I get Lorgar now. I get him. He is a short-tempered,

self-absorbed prick. He treats people with respect until he gets annoyed and then he just shits all over them. He has this very like, you don't understand, Ingron or whoever, like, oh, no, no, no, you don't get it. And then eventually it's like, I wouldn't piss on your grave if you were on fire, you fucking asshole. I'm like, what the fuck, Lorgar?

Where'd this come from? What did that come from, you jerk? Yeah. And I realize it's just because this is the way he is. He is a temperamental, self-absorbed douchebag. Yeah, he really is. He's, that is the way he is, for sure. I've never really liked Lorgar

I mean I've liked the story surrounding Lorgar and the stuff that he does but yeah he's always seen like this you know well I guess that's the prime mark of the word bears he should be a pious holier than now douchebag that's kind of their thing right so yeah

I've always kind of seen him in that light of just being too preachy and he can't even really back up his talk most of the time no he can't That's the big thing. And actually watching Gilliman whale on him was very cathartic. Yes, it was.

Watching him, like, fight Gilliman and Gilliman being like, what, you have nothing to fucking say to me right now? And Lorgar actually having anything to say felt very good. Although he got Gilliman good in the side of the head with his croziest, didn't he? He whacked Gilliman in the head with his fucking mall. Like, holy shit. I was like, hey. I was like, hey, Lord, are you got a chance?

against Gilliman because Gilliman usually loses to everybody else, so hey. Yeah, it's a, well, yeah, I don't think Gilman has won a single Primark fight. It's like the two bottom rungs of the latter fighting it out to see who's truly the worst, and Gilliman had Lorgar on his heels until Angron showed up. Yeah, good old, thank you. Thank you, Angron, for arriving and causing all these kinds of problems. Oh, man, Angron. Angron fucked Gilliman shit up, too. Oh my god, that wasn't even fair. Yeah, Angron.

I have a very big appreciation for Angron in this book. Oh, absolutely. You know the old phrase? You didn't say, my life, you ruined my death. That is the perfect Angron phrase. Yep. Once they start going into like his home world and you start hearing Angron like in like genuine anguish.

about how his perfect death was stolen from him. He couldn't be with his brothers. Look at everything the private, look at everything the emperor did for everybody else, but not Angron. It's like, wow, Angron. Angron got dealt the really shitty hand. And it's like all the emperor's fault,

and it's not surprising why he would want to heresy him. Yeah, I, you know, if Angron didn't have the butcher nails, I'd probably give him more shit. But I can't imagine being in his position overall. Like everything, every hand he got dealt was worse and worse and worse. And I don't know, like, I guess you could argue to what some extent that him maybe beating his Legion to death wasn't a very poggers thing to do. But he, as you say, cry about it, dancing lizard gif. Yeah.

But at the same time, like, I don't, I don't know life with the butcher's nails in their head. Karn is like one of the most level-headed world eaters out there. And even he is just waiting through word bearer civilian. Like, ah, ha, ha. Also, it's worse. The butcher's nails are worse for Angron, right? They said that in the book, like, they affect him so much worse because since he's like a prime mark, it's constantly trying to, like, fix the nails.

And that makes it so much worse than if, like, they were just regular ones because, uh, what is it? The regular soldiers at least get a moment of peace. And Angron is just always, the nails are always biting super hard or whatever. Uh, I, I think so. I think Angron has it slightly worse due to him being a primark and his genetics not taking as well. Yeah.

Hence why he was going to die and now he is, he's now demon Angron. Yeah, he sure is. But, you know, if anything, if there's any part of the book that I was a little bit iffy on, I'm not sure if I really needed the Titan Crew storyline. I kind of liked them, but I didn't really need it. But I did like them, though. Yeah, it was weird because I feel like. Like, they were, like, with the Titan crew there, it's just bouncing around between too many, too many characters.

Because you've got Lorgar, you've got Angron, you've got Karn, you've got Argyl Tal and Rom, and then you're bouncing over to Sir Gala and her crew. And then Magnus used to be there, and then Gilliman's there. And then, oh, there's Erebus. And, oh, by the way, Erebus revived Sirene, just so she could explode in a ship. And it's just, it felt like there were too many perspectives. effective shifts. I agree. I don't really think we needed the Sergala crew. Yeah, which is unfortunate because I did actually like them. I like the Sergala crew. I thought they were interesting, but they were certainly not like, it reminded me in Voidstocker where they had that like gunnery lady that was with Malcarian on the surface.

And I'm like, she's fine, but I didn't really need it. You know, like I care more about Marcarian anyway. Yeah, definitely. I did, I did thoroughly like every, we have to talk about. about her a little bit. Latara is pretty great. I'm not going to lie. Definitely. Every scene she's in, she's wonderful. She is an absolutely bloodthirsty fucking person. Oh yeah.

And she is always fun to watch. It's just enjoyable how often she'll like hard just swear up a storm and people are like oh my God, does she just fucking say that? She's going crazy. I loved when they were chasing down that ultramarine ship and she was like

oh boy, I'm going to get to use the urs this clause. It's going to be so much fun. And then the ultramarineship turns and it's like, oh, they're going to fight battle. Oh, I guess we can't avoid battle. I can't use the claws anymore. I'm stupid. I don't care.

She has to use the claws at the end, though, and that was quite fun. She was so depressed when that ultramarine ship turned around to fight them and she couldn't use the claws and it's like, oh, poor Latara. I know she was in the command center fighting off ultramarines with everyone there, and she was constantly poking her head

out of cover firing her last pistol. I remember guards, tried to pull her down, and she elbowed him in the face and was kept firing at a fucking ultraming. Like a last pistol? What are you going to do with the last pistol? I know.

Why'd you're not even doing anything? She just wants to be part of this. She's just like, she's like, these dog fucking horse sons are on my ship, kill him. She has to wake up like nine dreadnots and have them stumble around.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, she had to wake up the non-butcher-nail dreadnots because the triari head, oh this we thought the battle was over you said you had it won so we wanted glory on armature and then yeah she had to wake up a bunch of crazy ass dreadnoughts what was the name of the main dreadnought again it escapes me right now Locke lok loirc

Lork so something close to that Lork I think he's Lord yeah I liked him a lot Didn't he snip off Lorgar's hand at the end Did he I thought he I thought he did. I thought he cut off Lorgar's hand

during the ritual that they send anger on. Hmm. It's, I don't know how I can't remember such an important sounding detail. I'm going to go with your memory and say, short. Because fuck Lorgar anyway.

Does Lorgar have a missing hand? Oh. Does he? Is he a Dorn fan? Is he an Imperial Fist fan? I thought I saw something about Lorgar's hand going, um,

being cut off. But I might I'm shit, maybe I'm wrong. I remember somebody's hand getting snipped off, right? Ah, maybe. I don't remember. Or maybe I'm getting it confused because we just did the Imperial Fist episode. Or the Black Templar episode. Might be getting those two things confused.

Oh, with Helbrecht? Yeah. Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. And talking about the magic pain glove and yeah, we might be getting them mixed up a little bit. I don't quite remember, but maybe maybe not. But point being, I remember he had. it was interesting having him attack Lorgar because he was like this is not who we

are what are you doing in my Primark and that was kind of thing and Lorga Lorgar just I'm saving him I'm like fuck you I mean technically let the man die for the love of God

technically and Lorgar is so much stronger now too I mean he was he was he was ripping Thunderhawks out of the sky He one shot of Titan at some point And he's a he's a he's a he's a he's a beefy lad He's all about that song

Let the man die Let the man die Just let the man die for the love of God Let him die in his home world where he wanted to die All those years ago with his friends Let let's let the cycle finish damn it Seriously fucking Angron was crying Yeah he was

I feel so bad for Angron now Angron had a Angron was dealt a very shitty hand he really was i i have a great deal of sympathy for angron now um hard hard is the path of chaos i had begun to walk yeah was there i i think he had it the worst of all the primarks didn't he like not that mortarian didn't have it bad and not that conrad curz didn't have it bad but boy angron had it rough i was about to say i think the only person i can think of that would have it at all equally would be Kurz.

Yeah, but Curz wasn't enslaved. No, but he was hunted. True. He was like, but he could rise to power though. And he, you know. True, true. Curves popped out of his pot and then people were like, ooh, food. Angron had no chance whatsoever.

True. I guess maybe it was the years after the emperor arrived. I think Curz maybe had it. Maybe a little bit worse because he just has such a horrible legion that he hated it. No, but Angron had the nails in his head, though. Yeah. You know, maybe it is Angron. The nails are just, the nails are just the nails.

Those are so savage. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Those butcher nails are rough. They are really, really bad. But we had some, we had some fun Argel Tall and Karn bromance. They were a fun, a fun duo. I enjoyed them. They make a good sitcom.

Tom duo. Fucking Argyl Tal wielding a custodian spear and sword at once. Like, what is this? What is this create your own character, custom-ass shit I'm getting here? That's some D&D shit right there, yeah. It really is. And he fucked. He was flying around with his wings.

And every time Aribis arrived, Ron was just like, Ew, kill him. I hate him. Ew, kill the deceiver. Should we talk about Aribus? I guess. Didn't Arjel Tal managed to break one of the custodian weapons? Uh, yeah, the sword broke during the fight at the end.

I was like, how the fuck did you break a custodian sword? I'm assuming he fought it and killed enough people to the point where it just like... Shattered? It just shattered, yeah. Oh, okay. At least that's the assumption I'm making. Because I was like, man, I could have sworn custodian shit was made of sterner stuff. I mean, it's made of very stern stuff, but I'm assuming that it's just the sheer,

volume of a of battle but um yeah Arjil Tal was faded to die into the shadow of great wings

and Erebus with all of his stuff and Erebus shanked our boy in the spine yeah he did he did he Arabis ends up after after all of the work

that Arjil Tal does to try and save Karn all he gets in return is stabbed in the back by Arribus. And he dies under the shadow of the Imperial Aquila. Mm-hmm. All because Karn gave him a misleading vision

of the future. Yeah. It's... So Karn was completely weak from trying to protect... Yeah, Argyltal was completely weak after trying to protect Karn. and Arabis just... That's the funniest part too. This is the most on-brand thing for Arabis. It really is. Killing someone to secure his place in the future

from a prophecy he had. Yeah. It is the most on-brand Arabist thing. I told you before this, I was like, I know what happens to Arjel Tal. Yeah. And oh my God. Yep.

And Cyrene got revived for a cup of coffee. Yeah, yeah, okay, so let's talk about things I don't like. The fucking Cabal and John Grammaticus and that crap, I hate that stuff, the perpetual group. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot to ask about them because that dude had a weird voice. It was like, hi, I'm John, and I talk like I'm from an old Western. And it's like, who are you? You're a perpetual? And then he got lit up with the phosphorus fire and he just laughed.

it off and shows up two seconds later? Yeah, um, there wasn't John. John Gremantis is a different guy, but that was, um, was they like Damon or Devin or something like that? Daniel. Um, my name is Daniel. It's a weird conglomerate called

the cabal made up of perpetuals that work with Zenos and do other shit to do random bullshit that's supposed to span the length of the Horacee stuff, but eventually just seemed like it was abandoned by, by, GW and so it's just a bunch of crap. But basically, Cyrene is a perpetual now and she's out there being a professional and she's

still alive in the modern day. Oh, that's right. They did say that she was a perpetual, didn't they? I completely forgot that because I didn't like that shit either. Which completely removes any and all intrigue and attention for such an important character. Cyrene's death was a very genuinely important thing. and massively influenced Argyl Tal. And I guess Argyle's dead now, but...

Yeah. Come on, man. You're gonna revive her and then just make her undying. Like, come on dying. Like, come on, it's such a cop-out. That is a big-time cop-out. Like, that's like one of those... The only thing I can really compare it to is Dragon Ball.

We're like, you kill off Goku because you want it to be this like, oh, my God, moment. And, oh, my God, everybody's so affected. But then you're like, oh, Actually, he's the main character. We need to retcon a way to bring him back. Dragon Balls, revive him. And it's like, oh, what was the point of him dying in the first place?

This is stupid. Yeah, I hate that kind of stuff. I hate that all the time. I love Night Lord's books because they, well, you know. Yeah, they stay dead. It is, for the most part, quite final. Yeah, once they finally end up killing you, after months and months of torture and skinning you

and taking great pride in keeping you alive for as long as possible to suffer as much as possible. And you're like, oh, thank God, death. Yeah, you know, it's like, you know, you play yourself a good bit of Super Smash Brothers. You play a nice, honest character like Ike. And you go, neer, neer, neer, neer. He's not that honest.

He's kind of, is in between. Nair, and then you're like, ah, honest, no shenanigans. And there's Arabis like, I'm going to revive the dead. I was surprised that Arabis didn't like revive Cyrene and then like make it a shade of himself and like have Cyrene try to kill Argyl Tal because it's hard to do it all along. Yeah, yeah. That would have been a little more impactful if it was actually Cyrene that slipped the dagger into Argyl Tal because of like Arribus's influence. That would have been a hell of a moment.

And then again, that would be all. I think we would expect that. Yeah. Because Arribus. Yeah. I wasn't actually expecting Arabis to kill Argylt Hall when it happened.

Yeah. I swore out loud when it happened. Yeah, it's, it happens like in the last 45 minutes of the book, too. Yeah. It is so, but. I was furious.

You do get a very, very satisfying scene at the end of the book. Oh, hell yeah. Where, what is it? Lorgar tells, tells Karn what Arabis had done. He's like, oh, hey, you want to know who killed Argyltal.

Yep, the famous get-up scene. They meet in the pits. Yep, go to the death. And then Karn is just fights as he does like normally, but not in the pits. Sanguinous extremis. Just fucking bodies

him. Oh, yeah. He cuts his arm off He's got Gorechild too He's got He's got Angron's old axe Hmm

Who He cuts his fucking arm off He sure Oh that's right Because he's like Oh my arm What the fuck is my arm I was like

Oh shit It's over there And it's like Oh nice A part of me was like Oh fuck Is this how Arbus dies Did I just forget

How Arbus dies Because he had Gourchal On his spine And he was about to like You know Fire the trigger I was like

Oh yes rip his fucking spurner. He wasn't about rip his spine out. He's but to carve into it. He just put it down there and it was just revving. I wanted it to be so gory and disgusting

and blood everywhere. And now he just blips out. He just teleports out. Typical Erebus. I was so hoping that it was just like, oh shit, I just didn't remember how he died. This cat's about to get fucked. Alas.

He still. A laugh. We, honestly, I would love it if Arabis got killed by Gilliman in the modern day. I think Gilman would take a sick satisfaction to it, and he kind of deserves it. Yeah. And then just, I don't know, that concept of just Gilliman finally getting like, I can't kill Lorgar, but you'll settle for you. Yeah. Yeah. Who do you think Arabis would hate being killed by the most?

Do you think it would be Gilliman? because that's the closest thing to the emperor you can really get. Honestly, Arjaltal probably, but Arjaltal's my comeback. Unfortunately, yeah. I don't know. Karin probably could be up there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I really don't know.

Aribus is just a maniacal, self-serving prick. I don't know word. Somebody just needs to kill that son of a bitch. He just, he needs to die. Yes. But I don't know, it's like Half Life 3. No matter how good it is, it'll never live up to the hope

and expectations of an Arabist death. Yeah. Put him in a demon calbasa. Okay, maybe... All right. That's how much of the prick he was. Put him in what a Perciarabos arm cannons to just shoot him into space.

That works. I'll go with you on that, yeah. You know, I would actually... You know, I'd like if someone else, like the Necrons guy. to him. Oh. Just the necrons put like some scuribs in his brain and have him like walk up to Lorgar and

being like, I renounce the faith and inside his mind. Heavis is like, no! Or if Trazen got him and put him in the gallery, big sign next to him and just says he's a bitch. Ooh, oh, you know it would be fun. Trazen puts him in the gallery and he's stuck there. And Trayson is just like, hey, did you prophesize this coming true? Well, it didn't. Ha!

And he leaves. Ooh, that would be a great. fate for the the hand of destiny destiny's hand I'm destiny's hand I can't believe I can't believe I can't believe Arabis could even speak with this dick that far down his own mouth God oh yeah his ship is called the hand of death oh my god it's just he's oh he's such a punchable character he's got such a punchable fucking face

Oh, yeah. With all the inscribings and shit, oh, god damn. God, I don't know there's a single book that makes you hate, hate Arabis this quickly, but it's quick. Are there any fan? Are there, like, does Fortycan't have fans of Arabis who's like, oh, boy, oh, boy, do I send him?

There's nobody that likes this piece of shit, right? If people like Aribis, they like him because he's so terrible. Because he's a good villain. Because they like, they like Arabis because he's just the one. worst and it's funny for him to be just the worst you know gotcha but not because like wow he sure does make a lot of good decisions nobody admires arabis right no no he he remember how he became arabis it's not even his actual name he he you should be more like the other kid arabis and he's like okay and he strangled the kid to death and took his face oh that's right even yeah even the way he got his

name is terrible. He even has that stupid smug, fucking portrait of him that you see everywhere. God damn. Arabis. So punchable. Just shit.

What you think about that scene when they go to the Capitol's main throne world with that kid? I thought it was a really good scene. Oh. Wait, which which scene is that?

It's where when Angron goes to like the leader and it's just this kid. Oh, yeah. And it's like it's the same ruling family. Yeah. And he's just like, what the hell? This child that's crying and shitting himself in front of me? That's the ruler? This is the ruler?

Kill them all. I liked that scene a lot. I liked, I liked Lord. I liked Angron realizing that they told history differently and him being like, that's it. That's it. Oh, yeah. When he finds out that the history books had him pegged to someone that fled like a coward and let his companions die. Oh, boy.

Everybody hates Arabis. It's just a depression fest for Angron. Life is not good for Big A. It's like, hey, it's like, hey, I have an order for you, Karn. And they're like, oh, what's, what's that? kill everyone in the city. It's like, oh, okay, that seems like, and then kill everyone on the world.

Oh, you got it, you got it, dude, all right, sure. Carr's like, yeah, all right. That seems like the appropriate reaction from Angron after all this shit is going down, sure, sure. And he's like, I'll handle the child. It's sad

to see how far a lot of the world leaders have degraded in modern day 40K. They're like, Like, Karn is like a frothing lunatic now. Like just drool out of his mouth and shit now. Like never, never any moment of clarity. He's just a demon that kills anything that moves.

I don't think he has much nowadays. No, the nails and the corn have taken over. Yeah. I think he's just a frothing lunatic. And Angron is not much better. Granted, now we can put a face to the Angron model. That's true. And we get a little moment with Angron.

chained up in the hold of the Conqueror? Yeah. Conqueror. Yep. It looks horrible. It looks horrible and to space him. Yeah. Let's I was like, we really need to space that thing. That thing is out of control. Fuck that, dude.

Latara is trying so hard to keep the Conqueror working well. And apparently, like, Karn's like, the walls are screaming and our water supplies are turning the blood. And every time Angron yells the ship shakes, the Tar is probably like, God, damn. I can't

fucking shower with this guy on and turns my clothes red. Yeah, he's he's changed a little bit. Just a little bit. Even his biceps have biceps. Even his wings have biceps. And his, what's it, his final

command to Karn is to kill 300 people collect their skulls and make me a throne. Skulls for the skull throne. Skulls for the skull throne. Oh, oh, Karn.

Oh, Kron. Oh, world eaters. Oh, 40K. Oh, oh, all these things. Oh, spacewolves. Oh, Gilliman. Oh, Lorgar. Lorgar. Lorgar, you son of a bit. Now that I, we have officially read the two major Lorgar books, Horace Heresy books, I think. I am confirming my statement that this is all Lorgar's fault Yeah A lot of this is indeed Lorgar's fault

He is the first heretic He is Although the I mean the emperor and Gilliman And burning monarchy I mean they kind of were the catalyst In making Lorgard Become the first heretic True

But also Erebus stabbed Horace with that knife. Oh yeah, yeah. Are there's also very much to blame, sure, sure. Well, probably due to the orders of Lorgar. Lorgar. The only good thing about, I don't like the word bears. I like Argel Tall.

Agreed. Agreed. How powerful are the, the, what were the big ships that he summoned? The Blessed Lady? and the Trisagin. Gloriana-class battleships? Yeah, because I remember a part in the book,

when he first summoned them, and Magnus was like, what, you have three? They were like, yeah, these ships are like on par with the phalanx. And then when we just talked about the phalanx in the other episode, it was like, no, those could fit inside the phalanx. So how beefy are these things? Because they're the things that turn the tide at armature, right? with these big old

Gloria Anna class battleships So they are not the failings Yeah But they are the second best to the failings I'd say Oh okay Because I could The phalanx is special But like this is the big ship

Right yeah And he has three of them Which is nuts Yeah they're they're pretty They're pretty nasty The Conqueror is also one of them of course Except fitted with harpoons Because lollamow

Lola Mao The Earth's Clause But the like the Fidelity test Lex, which fucking word bearer names. Rest in peace, Fidelis Lex. You went out like a trip. Yeah. Yeah, I decided to go out killing 11 ships

and then create a tidal wave with its impact on the planets. Meanwhile, the Tar is just out there hooking battle barges to keep them off the surface and shit. Oh, that's right. She hooked up two of those battle barges and just like

scream the engines backwards to keep them from sending troops down. Ah, it's right. Yeah, she knows what the fuck's up. What a badass. And then they had to stop an imperator titan?

I think it was an emperor class titan. Yeah, it had the cathedral on its back and everything and they had to ursus claw the guns down so it couldn't kill anybody. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, this is, I think this is an old artwork piece of it, but this is kind of what they look like.

Wow, that's a good boy. And that is indeed the cathedral it had on its back. Oh, here we go. Here's Warhammer Community, Imperator Titan. Bang. The one on its bottom left that has the angry face is the war hound that they were running with. Whoa.

So that was the Sergala is the one to its bottom left foot. Wow. Yeah, they're very large. Okay, seeing them scaled next to each other like that, I can appreciate the... One more picture. Oh, wow. You can see Sir Gala on the bottom left there as well. And imagine that little thing, firing off Erces Clause hoping to do anything to that Cathedral Titan.

Well, I think that's why they had, like, what was it, six packs? Yeah, they had like six packs of Warhound Titans, to be fair. That's true. Which I think it's like two each maybe, so it's like, or maybe three, so it's like 12 to 18. Damn. Yeah, it's a lot. They're big, big dudes. I am shocked that Lorgar took a plasma decimeter to the face, though.

Well, he took, didn't he take two shots? You're right, he took two shots. Yeah, and then didn't they fire like all of their main cannons at him and it only got him on his back or something? I don't remember. I mean, they nearly killed him. Yeah. But they fired him with the, I'm assuming the Warhound, like plasma blast a gun or whatever they would call that.

Yeah. Just an enormous gun. Yep. I'm shocked that he survived. Yeah. And then they're like, well, we got to finish the job. Step on him! And then Angron's like pushing it off.

Oh, yeah. That's great. Angron is that strong that he can stop a, uh, a titan from. full force stomping like that? He's that strong? I mean, I know he's a Primark, but like there's got to be some limits, right? I mean, he wasn't able to hold onto it forever. I think he was like

he was holding it for a bit from to crawl away and then I think the other Titan came and stopped the first time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sir Gala came in and tipped it over with the Ursus Claw. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah, Prime Mark's strength varies a lot and it's sometimes kind of confusing.

Like they had the part in the beginning when they were like, oh, what have they ain't They go to a pict of Angron. He's just like screaming and he grabs a chimera and flips it over and starts screaming again. And I'm like, he's doing fine. He's doing great. He's doing what he loves to do. The man had flipped a tank over, so I don't know.

And when he was stopping the Titan, he was already pretty weak because he was a building fell on him because it exploded when he was in it because they wouldn't listen to. Didn't Latara warn them that like there was a trap set up ahead with explosives in the buildings? and they were something something and they had to use like librarians to like figure out where he was

and how to like direct him to dig his way out from under a bunch of rubble or some shit you know I don't know but yeah he wasn't he wasn't even at full strength he was already fucked up and he's like oh yeah let me just stop this titan for a little bit crawl out hooray and it's like

what the fuck oh my god these primarks are indeed built different they are built extremely different Mm-hmm. Yeah, they mess with the primac power every so often, but that was kind of silly, if still kind of interesting. Yeah.

You can't go kill them off primarks like that. You know, they're emperor-born, so, you know, they get exceptions. Well, yeah, and they're very, very important. Yeah. They don't like to kill primarks too often, despite the fact that they probably should, maybe just a bit more. Yeah, maybe.

Maybe a little bit. Some of those traitors are kind of dicks. Kill Lorgar. Yeah, yeah, kill Lorgar. Let Corvus Corax get him. Nah, let Gilman get him. Did find it interesting that Lorgar never healed the scars that he got from Corvus Corax on the... From Isfam that they fought?

Yeah, Esvan 5. He never got those healed. A little bit of a sentimentality of some kind, I'd say. Yeah, like a... I'll get you next time, Corax. I'll not forget what you did. Yeah.

My Legion will not forgive or forget, for we are the bearers of the word. I fucking hate you, Lorgar. I couldn't tell. It sounded like you genuinely admired him there for a second. I genuinely, shut up. Cry about it. Dancing lizard.

You cry about it. Dancing lizard. You cry about it. You crying all about, Lorgar. Get wrecked, kid. Yeah, you know, it's nice to have, that's the nice thing about Aribus. We can all band together

and just truly enjoy how much we hate him. Oh, yeah, fuck that guy. I cannot believe the great Aragil Tal and Rom done in by Arabis and his stupid little bone sword. All right, you know, I was trying to think about what other book we would want to do after this one.

Oh, yeah. Do you have, you have, you have, you have? Well, I was thinking, we've done a lot of Marines lately. So I think it might be time for a different book. Oh, we do in Zinos? So, okay, so here's the thing. I don't actually have a pick yet. Because there was like, hell's reach was a big option.

But I think, I think I would like to ask, there is a Gene Steeler cult book. I think it's called Day of Ascension. I might be wrong, but I'm asking chat and shy for when she edits this, what the name of that really good, well-received Gene Steeler book is because I would like to read it. And I think it's time for some more Zenos. Oh, hell, yeah.

Okay, I can, I can deal with that. Sure. Gene Steeler. Is it like a book that literally follows someone that's been possessed by like the gene stealers or something like i think it follows some kind of gene stealer cold uprising yeah oh hell yeah i think because my other option was eisenhorn the inquisitor detective story but i'd like i'd like to do a zenos first oh man i would love to have a jean steeler cult perspective book that sounds dope good idea i'm all in all in shy and or chat please do share the name

of the big one that everyone loves. We'll start working on that. And yeah. Any other things you want to say about the book? Uh, man. Overall thoughts? Overall thoughts? Uh, really good.

Uh, maybe, maybe jump perspective little too many times. Uh, but overall, that's a, that's a solid like, uh, nine out of ten. Oh, you go as far as nine? Maybe 8.5 now that you said that.

I, I'd go with about, about seven and a half to eight. a real seven and a half though. Oh yeah. Like not IGN seven and a half. Easily. Like significantly above average to great.

Yeah, I would never rank this below 7.5. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Like I have the kind of like seven is good. Eight's great. Nine is amazing and 10 is perfect. Like it is solid good to great.

I think my only issue is with perspective. And maybe not a whole lot of cohesive. glue. I mean, I know it's a Horace Heresy book, which therefore means we're kind of hopping in halfway, but maybe a little less halfway feeling would have been nice. Yeah. Well, I

guess that's true since it's part of the Horace this book is the glue for like 18 other books. We are reading the cohesive glue for some other grand thing too, so yeah, that's fair. True, true. It's a very, it's a very light nitpick. I

give it a, I give it an eight. I give it Nate. All right. So we're like 8.5. That's solid. Yeah, very, very good.

Very enjoyable. Yeah. I like it more than the first heretic. Though I did like the first heretics themes a bit more. Agreed.

The concepts they were tackling. Yeah. But yeah. That's that. The battles were a lot of fun to read, actually.

In Betrayer? Yeah. Yeah. The battles and betrayer. The battles and Betrayer were better than the first heretic. The first heretic was actually pretty sparse on those. Yeah. Also, please read the first heretic before you read this book. Yes. At the very least. All right. We'll get the new book going. We'll see you all next time for the next one.

And wow, this is this going to be a normal outro? Yeah. Cry about it. Wow. Cry about it. Dance for the Lizard Giff.