Adeptus Ridiculous - BLACK LEGION & ABADDON: NOT SO HARMLESS AFTER ALL | Warhammer 40k Lore

Episode Date: May 12, 2021

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Welcome everyone to another episode of the Adeptus Ridiculous Podcast. My name is D.K. Diamantis, and I guess you can't really call me a Warhammer beginner anymore. I mean, I'm not super advanced, but Briggie has been doing a fantastic job of teaching me all of the crazy, ridiculous Warhammer 40K things. And that's what this podcast is all about learning the ridiculous stuff. So if you enjoy today's podcast, be sure to head on over to patreon.com. Adeptus Ridiculous, where you can get access to our Discord, digital HD posters, bloopers, if they happen, which, thank God, they haven't happened too often. So, yeah, if you enjoy today's podcast, be sure to head on over to Adeptus Ridiculous or Patreon.com slash Adeptus Ridiculous, almost did a blooper. And, yeah, support the podcast.

I love how you say that it's like we don't have any bloopers, but that's kind of the only reason is because we force shy at threat of death. to put us rambling about anime into the episode of the All-Garge and Party for like 20 minutes. It was a good anime. It was not a good anime discussion. We're sober, though, now. We can look back on it and laugh

and be like, wow, that was dumb. Which, actually, speaking of, the next major goal we have for our Patreon is 7,000. And we said that at that point, we would continue to read the All-Guard's-Ben party. However, not horribly drunk.

Maybe a nice drink here or there, but actually read the goddamn thing. Yes. Because I didn't realize how popular that was. It's a very popular, like, right-up. It's very popular. Okay. Because of that, I think, okay, we did a little bit of a disservice by getting horribly drunk and me just being like, ah, fuck it. I'm going to go eat a cookie.

So. I will be honest with you. I didn't even realize you were eating a cookie there. I knew you were eating something. Do you even remember much of that? Um, a little bit. I remember a little bit. A little bit is all that's needed. I, uh, I know, I know I drank a fourth of a bottle of whiskey.

Um, so that was fun. Um, my favorite comments on that video, though, were like, wow, you guys got drunk way too fast. You guys can't even handle your alcohol. And I was like, I'm going to take that as a compliment. I'm, I'm not enough of a slovenly drunk to be like, yeah, fucking, it took me three hours. to get drunk. I'm a little weight. I had a Weaboo cup full with seven shots. As far as I'm concerned, I was completely in the right. Though I do want to make a quick announcement before we get too into it. As for, because I seem to be like, I always have a merch announcements. As for the merchandise, it is still good. I happen to buy enough. So we are not fully sold out. We did sell quite a bit. But we still have some. So if you like any of my shirts, I guess it's our shirts, our shirts. Our shirts.

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This is part two. Part two. Of the three-part fall of Kadia series, the preludes. And last week, we discussed Chad Horace and the Luna Wolves, which ended up being way less than I expected. Yeah. I mean, because it's all about Horace. It's not so much the Luna Wolves.

Like, yeah, they're fine and everything, but it's about Horace and what Horace would go on to do and how don't the Luna Wolves essentially sort of become the Black Legion because they follow Horace, they follow his exploits, and then... Blet. It's a fine way to put it something like that, yeah. Overall, it does become the Black Legion, which we'll talk a lot more about today,

because today we're talking about Abadon. I'm going to call him Abidon. So we like to call him Abadon. I call him Abadon. I just don't care. See, in my head, I was like, you know, when we talk about this, I'm probably going to be switching between Abaddon and Abadon, because I'll be like, oh, yeah, the Warhammer paint is always called Abadden Black,

but in my head it's always been Abadon, so I'm sure, as we talk about it today, it's just going to be back and forth. So if anybody's listening to this, that's why. That's why. Wait, what do you mean if anyone's listening to this? I'm hoping they're listening to this. Oh, I meant if anybody is concerned and listening to this. I've left that part out.

Whatever. It's fine. Don't worry about it. It's fine. But I am anxious to learn about Abadden. I had to stop there and think, which way am I going to say it? Because I've only heard memes about him. I've only heard about how he's a giant loser, which always, always make Shy mad.

whenever she hears someone say that Abadden is just a big loser. And I think I've also heard, I think it was from you. You told me that his mini is notorious for like the arms fall off or something because it's like an old mini and like that's one of the meme things that's in Trayson's gallery is Abadden's arms. But that's all I know about him. So I'm actually anxious to see if like the memes are accurate or if it's just literal shit memes for shit's sake. So it's a little bit of both. Now, Abby, as is an easier way to put it, I suppose, a good old Abby, Abadon, or by his first name, his name is Issa Kyle.

Or we just call him fucking Kyle if you feel like you. If you want to call him Kyle, we can call him Kyle. I thought I was Ezekiel at first, but that seemed too on the nose. So Ezekiel or Kyle. I think if we call him Kyle, people would be significantly angrier. This is going to be my one meme moment My one anime meme moment Because his name sounds like Issaquai

Is he getting reborn in like a new world? Is he getting... What does Issaquay even mean? It's so it means Essentially it's reborn in a new world So like you know how in sword art He goes into the VR place And he's reborn as like a medieval night

And he's super strong It's just it's like that Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa You know like when they get hit by a What makes him? by a truck and then they're, they're, oh my God, I've been reborn in a fantasy RPG. What the, okay, what the fuck? And also, what makes you think I've watched fucking Sordart? It's, it's pretty, it's pretty garbage anyway, so it's, it's better. Oh my God. Okay, so his

name is Kyle. And anyway, uh, so Abidon Kyle. Uh, so the memes, the memes are half correct, half wrong. Um, so in the sense, Abidon is actually pretty cool. Uh, he's, he's, He's got a pretty interesting backstory. He's an interesting character. I like his ideas, the whole thing. He's pretty cool. The issue is that I think he was kind of the, well, one, his old model did have his arms fall off a lot, or there were, there are a lot of problems with that.

Yes, that is true. But more specifically, the big issue with Avedon is that a lot of his crusades, a lot of his fighting, ended up having him always lose because for the longest time, G.W. was like Chaos of the Bad Guys, Imperial the Good Guys. we got to make them win every battle against the bad guys. Oh, okay. So in a sense, it feels like he doesn't really get anything done. But that's not true either, because he kind of does.

Yeah. But it's always an in this, that, the other thing. But anyway, let me go ahead and go into it, and then you can form your own opinion. Let's do it. So, good old Kyle was a Luna Wolves Astardi, of course. He was a firstborn son of a Sothonian, which if you remember, Sothonia was the planet that came from. Yep, man-mex tech.

Yep, techno-barbarian. He was the firstborn son of a gang warlord of that planet. And he killed his father, actually, in 1V-1 combat at a very young age after like a coming-of-age ritual, went just very badly wrong. Oh. I don't know what the fuck coming-of-age ritual and with you shanking your dad, but a moritarian is obviously very jealous. Oh, so jealous. He actually got to

Martyrian just sitting in a corner very depressed like Oh, I wanted to kill my dad I want to kill my dad It smells in here What's that smell? It's me So he was trained

And rose in the Luna Wolves For a bit And he became first captain Which is of course You know pretty good Pretty good little thing there However what's interesting about Abidon at least from a more of a tabletop

style Is that he was actually One of the few of like the major characters I can think of, that was actually had his own Terminator armor crafted for him. Now, Terminators, have we covered Terminators? Um, I, I know they've been brought up a couple times. I have seen Terminator armor, but I'm not sure we've gone into like super detail about Terminator armor. It's just bigger, better armor.

It's really big, bulky, nigh, indestructible armor. It's very large. as opposed to the regular stories, but the Terminators, they move slow, they tend to, like, teleport instead, and they tend to carry, like, big hammers or, like, wrist-mounted guns. They're just giant tanky sons of bitches.

But because of that, he was actually, in fact, so good at his job, he was basically the military standard for the whole first company. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Space Marine Legion's chapters or whatever, the first company is almost always comprised of Terminators. I think it's like the Terminator,

company. I think it's that way because I know in the tabletop there's an ability to give all your Terminators an increase a hit called Fury of the First. And I'm assuming it's the first company. But Abidon was like the right hand man of Horace. Like he was

the man, obviously. So do you have to be super special to like get Terminator armor? Like you have to be like proven in combat. Do you have to be like a super serious, super important person? Or is it just like, ah yeah, sure. you get Terminator Armor and you get Terminator Armor and look under your seats. It's Terminator

Armor for everyone. I think you're, I think you definitely need to be like proving yourself to an extent to eventually become a Terminator. But Terminator Armor is just like a variation. It's like, okay, are you going to be an infantryman in the Army or you're going to be like a tank gunner? It's just like a different. Oh, okay. I think it's just like a different thing to do. I do think you need to be more skilled for Terminator Armor. So I think they do pick people who are of a higher scale, but it's not like, it's not like the difference between that and being like a sergeant or a captain or a lieutenant. It's nothing that high.

Because I was thinking if it's like invincible armor, it's like, well, maybe we should give that to like the captains and the sergeants and the important guys because it's like, you know, non-invisible armor. I mean, you can like take in game like a captain in normal armor or a captain in Terminator armor if you want. It's definitely important, specifically the fact they can't fucking make it, because it's one of those things that was lost to time and the ad mech don't create. Oh, it's one of those situations. Yeah.

So it's important. And, you know, obviously they put well-trained people in Terminator armor, but I don't think I know a whole lot about, like, the Terminator armor because it's not really something that's heavily like, oh, my God, Terminator armor. It involves this, this, this, and this, and they only get people who can do a triple cartwheel at a perfect 10. I don't know, man. It's a big, chunky, tanky armor. Imagine, imagine being like, yeah, I can do triple cartwheels, and then they put you in the fucking Terminator armor,

and you just can't move, and it's like, why? Why? It's because doing a triple cartwheel is like moving your legs in general in Terminator armor. Anyway, he was the greatest warrior of the Luna Wolves. Obviously, in a chapter, famed for its really good warriors. Yeah. And he was just like devout to Horace as Horace

was devout to the emperor. It was like just another another layer of that that sheer I don't want to say worship because worship bad. But you know, that Horace had a specific group of advisors that he trusted like with utmost modesty and

extreme extreme honesty. And these advisors were known as the Mornival. And the Mornival. consisted of four people. Garville Loken, Terrick, Torgadon, Horus, Axamand, also known as Little Horace. His name was actually Little Horace.

Yes, because he looked like a little version of Horace. Oh, he's so cute. Yeah, he looked at a little Horace. He's actually kind of cool, but he's a little Horace. And then, of course, Abidon himself. This was his close Morval, and Horace would go to them constantly for help and advice as advisors. as smart as he was,

he was not too prideful to not have a group of people that he really trusted in their ideas. He was also, Abidon, was part of a really interesting secret warrior lodge, which a small amount of Astardis eventually become a part of,

and the idea originally was founded by this guy, oh, fuck, what's his name? It starts in E, ends in suss. Is it Eribus? Eresas. There it is. Oh, no, please. The fucking Among Us memes, man. You know how many of those popped up on Twitter?

I was so happy, dude. Some guy gave me Eresas. They gave me the horse sus heresy. It was great. I'm so proud. Anyway, yes, of course, as you remember, Arabis created the warrior lodges, which were like the secret organization of Astaire

that would meet together and eventually started leading to chaos problems and all that. However, in the beginning, it was pretty not that. They were kind of just doing their secret stuff, but it wasn't quite like horribly chaos-based. However, however, the one thing that was particularly interesting is that Abadon, after Horace got shanky shanked by that fancy-pancy sword, was the one who actually took Horace's body

to the were bears and Arabis to get himself healed, of course. Oh, okay. And, like, during the whole transformation and everything, like, Abadon was so fiercely loyal to Horace, but he's like, you know what? My dad's bad, Abidon, we got to go get him. And Horace, like, sir, yes, sir, okay, I'm going. Let's go. He was just so fiercely loyal.

He didn't. He didn't need any convincing. With the way everything turns out, I would have guessed that Abadden was, like, not that fiercely loyal and was kind of like one of those douchebag advisor types. I was just waiting in the wings being like, ooh, he's going to fuck up at some point. And when he does, oh, this Legion is mine. And, you know.

I thought he was at first. You know, because everyone had their version of Aribus. You had Fabius Bile. You had Typhus and, of course, Arbis himself. But I was thinking, was there any of them that was like the black, or I guess the Sons of Horace at this point, version of Arabis? And Abidon, not really.

I think that it's more the idea that there was always that first captain or underling that was important compared to the primark. But even so, I mean, their primark's dead, so whatever. Yeah, their primark is dead, dead. But Avedon particularly was obviously fiercely loyal to Horace, fiercely loyal. And anything that Horace wanted to do, he was like, sure, ma'am. He actually, during the heresy, led his Terminator company through most of the battles, including the drop site massacre.

like he himself battered the fuck out of some salamanders and iron hands he was he was that's a pretty big deal he was in the front he was like smacking people he wasn't hiding behind being a command he was he was in there he was getting blood on his hands he was yeah he was nutty fucking Chad now of course

heresy happened we know the heresy I don't need to go too far into it however a reminder that the fight the big fight between the emperor Sanguinius and Horace was located on the vengeful spirit which was Horace's flagship during this time

Abadon specifically knew that there was fighting in the bridge and he was fighting his way to the command bridge from the vengeful spirit just like slaughtering Imperial Fist squads and all these people he's just like making a beeline for the bridge as fast as he possibly could right but naturally

he was trying to get there and help Horace and make sure that like you know he killed the emperor or He didn't get, you know, that, he was, he was, he was really going for it. Oh, he was, he was, he was, he was moving. He was, I, he was in the main command bridge and he was like, shit. And he was just like plowing through fucking, uh, space marines trying to make his way to Horace. Damn.

Of course, he didn't make it in time. And when he arrived, Horace was there, dead as fuck. Emperor was gone. Everyone was gone. Except for Singuine, I don't know they recovered Singuineas. I don't remember. Not important. They must have.

They probably did, but we'll talk about when, I'm talking about blood angels. Point being, he got there, and with Horace's, like, body in his arms, he detached Horace's giant talent hand you always see in that picture. And he swore that he would use Horace's talent to strangle the emperor with it. Oh, is that why Abadden has that claw? That's actually Horace's. That is Horace's claw.

Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's a pretty, I think it's called the talent of Horace's. As well it should be. Yes. As well it should be. It is a very very cool looking Very very cool looking like weapon and if I'm not mistaken in the actual data sheet for For Abidon himself it's it's pretty fucking strong I just look to the data sheet it's okay It's all right, yeah They need a codex update. When he gets the codex update it'll be very scary

It'll be okay to roll Black Legion when the codex happens Yes, it would be much easier Happens, yeah Anyway, point being talent of horse Yeah, he has it himself But after that came, of course, the, you know, Horacea happened, the light stuff And then came the great scouring

Which was the event in which all of the Good, what fuck, where am I looking for? Loyalist, Loyalist legions went out and just scoured the galaxy for traitors, right? which is why all of them fled into the warp into the eye of terror because then the chaos gods were like, well, thanks guys, you appreciate it. And they all dipped.

And then they all were like, oh, shit. And they had to find a way to deal with the Imperials just hot on their tails. And so, of course, they goofed. They goof, they goof bad. They did a galactic goof. God damn it. You know what happens right after Horace made its way to the flagship? He saw Horace's body.

And he was like, fuck, and they looked to the corner. And then immediately there, he saw Rogel Dorn and Jagatai Khan immediately venting. Oh. Of course. Of course, it all comes back to Among Us, suss venting. I am going to, I am looking forward to seeing what Shai does with this. It's just going to be that picture of that person upsettingly looking at their phone. Like Walter White's staring at his phone.

Like what the fuck? What happened? Where are we? What have I become? It's just going to be an image of a 12 gauge. Anyway, so after they all vented into the warp, basically the main thing that happened, nothing?

No, nothing. Absolutely nothing. Good. Okay, excellent. They returned to the eye of terror. Let's keep going. And Avedon then, now under the command of the vengeful spirit flagship himself, he fucking bailed.

as well he probably should no no he left his legion oh I thought you meant he and the Legion just got out of Dodge like they were like well fuck we got it oh they did they ran to the eye terror

and he took his ship and he left oh he was so tired between the death of his primark who he deemed was basically his father, through the insane losses, through the sheer feeling of failure,

and the absolute sickness of war. He was just, like, exhausted. And the other nine Chaos Legions were fighting each other. They were bickering at each other's throats, and they were fighting each other over, like, scraps, you know, in fighting, and he just thought he should let them. Like, why bother? It's true.

You know, maybe if I leave, my Legion will earn, themselves a decent death. And I and because why be reduced to squabbles over this? Like they were this close to toppling the empire and the Imperium and killing the emperor

and now I now look at them. They're like punching each for like orcs. Yeah, they've been reduced to squabbling like pigeons for scraps. Yes. And he was disgusted by them and he said fuck him. Fuck this. I'm done. And he left. And he

left and he took his ship with him. And he went to a thousand worlds and he stood on every planet to learn each and every reach of the warp in its realm, to learn about the warp, learn about the imitarium. And the sons of Horace themselves back on their planet, they stagnate him. They, someone wanted them to refill their troops, to get more people. Some wanted to embrace the warp and use the warp as assistance to help them ascend and become more powerful. And then, and then Emperor's children were like, hey, give me that. Yoink! Give me your horse.

I'm taking your horse. Oh, poor horace. Can't even get a good burial. Can't even have a good burial? Can't even have a good tomb. Empress children are such fucking trolls. I kind of love the Emperor's Tril. The more I hear about, the more I'm like, oh man, these guys are, these guys are dush bags,

but it's just the greatest kind. Like, the name, the battle cry, just being massive truce. I, I kind of, I'm kind of digging. the emperor's children. You feel it? Mm-hmm. I'm glad. So long as you feel it, that's all that matters. Yep. I'm really feeling it. I'm really feeling it, Mr. Kress.

So after that, after the stagnation and the infighting and horace being stolen by the Emperor's children to have Fabius Bile try to make a clone, they were like, okay, this is bad. We need to find Abidon. So we need our leader back. So a couple of people got together. One of the biggest ones, one's the guy name is this name actually fallus

wow wait no wait no way I haven't written down as phallus the brother of big dickus oh that's that's unfortunate wait no no way

no way disbelief holy shh okay okay the search the search for Abadon um no no no no

Falkis Falkis Falkis F-A-M L-K-U-S. I had it written down as F-A-L-L-U-S. I think I had a typo. Falkis is a little better. He was probably still bullied a lot, but it's better than Fowlis.

It's definitely, yeah. It's way better than Fowlis. Yeah. Oh, boy. Falkis Kibra, or Kibre. He was basically a chieftain of a warbam. And also, he met with other former commanders, a thousand-son sorcerer named Iskendar Kayon

And another guy named Leor Vine What the fuck Basically guy from world eaters Okay So he met up with a thousand sons dude And a world eater's dude The point being is that they met with people

From various other legions Okay And they were trying to figure out How the hell to find Abidon Because not only do they need to find him But they need to find him in the warp Where Time doesn't exist

And so life is really hard trying to find them in the Imitarium. So as they were figuring things out, they actually got a buddy, a siker named Sargon from the word bears. And Sargon was like, I have the unlimited knowledge and I know where Abadon is. I see Italian. Was that Italian? Kind of sounded Italian. Hey, I know what Abadadad is. E giving you pizza party.

Hey He's not the Fonz, man Hey I know what Ebertan is It's cool man Hey I'm doing the thumb thing Because if you ever do a Fon's

You gotta do the thumbs right Ebyden All right So so So I told you before the podcast But obviously I've been Because I finish the Oh the book club

Oh yeah The book club Yeah Yeah we're doing book club read the book. Infantic Divine. Super great. I finished it. Great book. We're talking about it in June. But, we'll mention that earlier the next episode.

But I'm reading the Night Lords one now. Soul Drinker, I think is what it's called, or Soul Hunter. I think it's Soul Hunter. And I told you earlier, they all talk and like, the narrator has them doing like these thick, like Eastern European, Russian, whatever, Slavic accents. Yeah, because Dracula of him. Vampiree, you know. I don't know the difference

between a Romanian accent and a Russian accent, but whatever's that thing. Now you got me thinking that all word bearers sound fucking Italian. Hence forth, all word bears are just the fauns.

Fucking Lorgar is like, Hey, Big E, I made a church for you. You know, they're gonna kill people that don't believe in you. Hey. Hey, why you're burning down to my church, eh.

Hey, no. Macarius? Hey, Manacia. No, no. Gilliman, why you're making me stand here? you fucking bitch, I kill you. Oof, man. This took a weird turn.

What, what? Gilliman was standing there when he had all the dudes kneel before the emperor, remember? Yeah, but somehow us doing the Fons for the word bearers as they're getting everything they love burnt to the ground. It's a weird turn from, from Abatton. I'm imagining Lorgar on his knees with like his hands out, like platoon. But instead of in front of anarchy, it's just, It's just like a Little Caesars on fire. Oh.

It's like, no. Actually, that's not fair. Any Italian would hate Little Caesars, but... Yeah, well, I mean, any connoisseur of pizza or anything that's remotely pizza related should hate Little Caesars. So long as they can afford really good pizza, because if I'm ever on a money crunch, little Caesar's the place. Fair. I'll give you that. All right, perfect.

So now we know that Lorgar is the Fonz and the World Bearers are. our Italian. Continuing from there. Shit, where were we, right, they're finding Horace. No,

they're finding Abadon. Horace is gone. Yeah, Horus is gone. You can't find him. So, so basically, they eventually

used this word bearer psychic ability in all of his like A's to go ahead and find out where Abidon was located. However, the Thousand Sun sorcerer kind of peered into his mind because psychers do that

and was like, I can't read anything else about his mind. There's like protective wards in there. Like in his brain. What the fuck? And then immediately after that, all the Emperor's Children fleet came, like arrived and was like,

hey, oh, no, that's, that's, um, sorry. Uh, that's word bears. Hey,

but then it's like, they came in and they were like, oh, hey, what's up? Uh, we're going to kill you now because fuck you. Oh, no.

So they only escaped, uh, barely by the chaos sorcerer, like, creating like a teleportation. thing and just bailing. But they made their way out, and they had this long little journey going through all these places called the radiant worlds.

They cut through an Eldar Webway through the warp and made their way through. And the radiant worlds were a bunch of worlds that are kind of like on the edge of the eye of terror that spills into the real world near Acadia, which we'll definitely talk about soon. But with time, they kept on searching. I'm saving a lot of exposition here. But long story short, after enough time of. searching, they found the vengeful spirits, and they found Abadon. They found good old Kyle.

Kyle. Issa Kyle. You know, I can't, I can't, I'm making a bunch of Among Us memes. I guess I can't really be upset if you make a stupid ass thing. A little stupid ass fucking animal. Issa Kyle, yep. But Abidon explained that he was actually the one who sent that word bear to them. and he was the person who programmed the mind blocks and such

because he, after doing a lot of thinking a lot of time, he thought to himself, okay, we are no longer the name of our former legions, we are no longer the sons of our former fathers. You take a look at all of us, and the three of you that came to me, a word bearer's siker,

a member of the, I think it was the Black Legion, I forget what the Fallist guy was, but a sorcerer of the thousand sons. Captain of the World Eaters, men from different legions working together for a common cause. We are no longer

our bloodlines. And as they all tend to go and squabble, our job is to now forge our own destiny and create our own group. Oh, that's cool, actually.

I like that. So that was his concept. It's like, at the moment, you know, with the legions, near extinction, all these problems happening. He thought that he sought warriors that wanted to be more than the legacies of diminished legions. And it's like this group, it's a brotherhood for the brotherless. That was the idea.

That's, that's a cool concept. I like that very much. And so all nine traitor legions would be accepted under one new banner. And can you guess what that banner was? Is that like the Black Legion? It's the Black Legion. Okay, cool. So they were all accepted under the single homogenous banner of the Black Legion.

And then after they kind of started creating this, I don't know, Pactor or whatever, started coming together. Abidon also knew that Horace could never walk again, could never live again, even if the Emperor's children were able to resurrect the bastard. Because not only because of whatever fuckery they were going to get off into. too. But also, the demons themselves of the warp said a Horace's name in mockery, because he died of shame and failure. Yeah. And so, and just like the concept of what they're trying to do is like, you know, you don't want Horace to come back because like, that's all gone. Like,

you don't want to be, uh, they want to make their own new thing. They want to make their own new legacy. They don't want the old guard coming back and like, oh yeah, I'm back. You, you know, I'm going be ruler again, even though you guys have pledged yourself to not care about, you know, the previous leaders or whatever. Yeah, old primarks. Like, you know, why would you want Horace to come back, bring a shackle back to free hands? Yeah. So now I kind of get why Abadden was like, hey, yo, let's go make sure that Horace clone is

fucking dead dead. Yes. And so that's what they did is they went with their newly founded Legion to fight the emperor's children on their home world of harmony. ironic that the Empress lees in his home world's called Harmony. I know. Is that another sick joke because it's just like there's no harmony there at all? I actually don't know.

It is in the warp. So that definitely has a concept that it might not be that great. But I actually haven't covered the Emperor's Children yet, so I'd have to figure out. But the Emperor's children are a bunch of really sick fucks who like a quick fuck. Hey. Hey. I actually don't know that song, but my buddy Demecchi won't stop singing it. So, and in reality it works

Because because the Empress children are in fact sick fucks to like a quick fuck They're snitch-faced Yeah, well, good for them Right pink armor, love a quick fuck, all right, let's go It's perfect So there was a large fight over in the Empress Children area It was called the, what was the name of the big city It was like, oh shit, what was the name of the big city?

It's like a really, really big named city that they fought in You're asking the wrong guy. Yeah, I know. I'm asking myself, Canticle City. There it is. Canticle City. Anyway, I'm skimming through this stuff a lot because this is like an hour and a half long episode

of all these specific battles. But the long and short of it is they fight through the Emperor's Children's stuff. They fight through the Emperor's Children's City. They arrive at the, I don't know, gene factory or whatever Fabius's Biles fuckery got up to. Yeah. And right there in it,

Rose, Mother fucking Horace Rebuilt But they couldn't have built him Like back perfectly Like he's got to be like a significantly weaker Altered version of Horace right I think maybe a little

Because in the events that followed afterwards He's still particularly strong But he's obviously not the same soul But he like He emerged there with a gigantic mall, which was a gift that was made from the emperor to Horace,

because they stole the damn thing when he became the war master. And the first thing he did was beat the absolute shit out of all of the guys in the room. Even in the wiki, it says this was not a child, cloned from scraps of tissue and drops of blood,

nor an abomination half lost to mutation's touch. It was Horace Lupacall. Cloned from dead flesh harvested directly from his stacy preserved corpse. clad in the breathtaking black warplate stripped from his dead body were played with a longfall of his white wolf fur cloak and the pale shimmer of kinetic force protecting him like a halo like Horace reborn like pretty goddamn close to the man

damn I just figure whenever there's a cloning situation like oh yeah it's going to be like a mindless brainless version and it's not going to be anywhere near as strong and it's going to be like a pseudo zombie no he was he was full on crazy-ass Horace except very angry In fact he was going

He was going mad He started beating the shit Out of that one Thousand Sun sorcerer With his mall Almost killed him But didn't he's alive Four thousand sons

They just can't catch a break They really can't But Abidon Stood behind the Horace And he just said one word Good old Avodon was like Enough And all that

All he did Horace swung around And then Abadon took with the town of Horace caught the fucking mace in air and gripped it and then and then

with Horace looking at it he was he spoke to Abadon for the first time and he said specifically like that is my talon right there Oh did he and Abidon closed his giant fist and smashed

the mall into pieces and then And then, and then, after they fought a decent amount or whatever, Horace eventually like, recognition caught him. And then he said, he was like, Ezekiel. It's like, my son. It's like, that's my son. And as he said that, Abadon took the claws and he shoved it right through Horace's chest. Oh.

And a giant like, like, fucking, a giant like fucking computer-sized hole. And then he barred, and then he shot the storm bolter in the actual towel in itself, burying six shots into his exposed neck and chest and blasted him apart from the inside. And then as he pulled his talent out, he just said, I am not your son. Damn. Shit. So, I'm curious if, uh, if that recognition wasn't there and didn't give a bad in that momentary, that, that moment of like,

a weakness, or I guess it gave Horace that moment a weakness. Like, was Abidon actually stronger than Horace? Would Abedon have won regardless? I'm not quite sure. Obviously, this wasn't the Horace. Yeah, he's obviously cloned

and he's not of his right mind, really. He's in like a rage. So, but I mean, obviously Abidon's still very competent in a fight. No, he is without a doubt extremely competent. I'm assuming that,

I mean, he still had lots of other people there, but he is still horrendously formidable as a person. I'm not sure he's Horace level, but regardless, maybe that single bit of hesitation allowed him to strike the kill and blow.

Yeah. Not quite sure. Honestly, it's not really the point. It doesn't matter, really. Yeah. The main point is like, it's like Horace is now dead, dead. very dead

no coming back from that one no and also it was a big thing of defiance for abadon where it's like horace like you I do not deem you as a father anymore like I am above you I am better than you and quote unquote Horace was weak

Horace was a fool he had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away the quote from Abadon to the spoiler so from there Abadon, newly pronounced war master, new leader of the Black Legion, a group that welcomes all who wish to join its ranks, and welcomes all other groups to join its ranks. And he then, from there, began doing what Chaos does best, which is be a real pain in the ass to the Imperium. It's crazy. So far, Abadden sounds really dope.

And he sounds really cool. And, like, it sounds like he is an absolute motherfucker. Like, he, he will mess you up. It doesn't matter if you're horace or whatever. Which is so very surprising, looking back, that the memes are all about, he's a fucking loser. He's an armless loser. This mother, he's a fucking idiot.

And it's like, Wait, what? This is, this is the, that's this guy? I think the issue were the Crusades. Because I don't, I can't really talk enough about the actual other 12 black crusades. But obviously the 13th Black Crusade is the fall of Kedia. Right. And that's the big one.

That's the big like, whoa. Wow. But I think the issue is that in so many like novels, and fights and law. Abaddon always loses because it's like the big bad guy. It's like a super... Yeah, it's like a superhero villain.

Like, he has to constantly lose. And unless you've got another way to make him cool, like, I don't know, the Joker. Joker is, like, loses, because Batman has to win, whatever, but he's still a pretty cool fucking character. Yeah. So, even so,

there's still all that kind of stuff you have to, like, figure out. And yeah Shai makes a good point They call it a long war for a reason You don't topple the Imperium in a day Which is very very true But it's Abidon

Like I said In a sense like yeah He's lost a lot But in a weird way You could almost kind of take that Just like Suspensure disbelief That it's more like games workshops

fault which obviously doesn't make any sense Because they write his damn stories But regardless this, Abidon is pretty fucking cool. I think a lot of people might think that he's a little bit like generic. Because he's just big, classic chaos guy. Mm-hmm. Where similar to Marnius Calgar or Gilliman of the Ultramarines,

he's like the basic version of the chaos. But honestly, he's pretty cool. I mean, I think that people like Typhus are cooler. Mm-hmm. But even so, you know, he's still... I guess I could see, like, people thinking he was also just a generic villain

you know because like I mean Megatron super cool everybody loves Megatron but literally all he does is lose that's it like he's super strong

and he's super great super awesome commander but like all he does is lose to Optimus over and over and over again yeah it makes plenty of sense with that kind of thing

yeah now for the actual Black Crusades themselves we're probably not gonna talk a heavy amount on them because I mean they all have their own specific thing, but they date back.

They date back. Like the first Black Crusade was in M31. Oh, yeah, back. So that's like a couple hundred years after the heresy. Yeah. Like, they go back a bit. And that one was the first Battle of Cadia, which he obviously, them, like, failed. Which is, you know, that sucks.

Okay, yeah. He lost that one, but he did claim a really cool demon sword called the Dachshan. Gazunite? What? I don't know. It's, in his model, he has a sword and the talon. It's the sword. Oh, his minis very cool looking.

Shai just posted a picture of it. That is slick. That thing's arms are always falling off, apparently? Other, other mini, old mini. Oh, oh, I guess Shai showed like a new one? Uh, correct. Boy, that's a sick mini dude. It is really, really cool.

And the sword he's wearing called the... It's the powerful demon that's been known as many names in the history of mankind. Echo of the first murder, end of immor... Emorys? Emma Rice, whatever. Echo of the first murder?

Yep. Although existence is closely linked to the shedding of blood, it has no ties to the blood god, being powerful enough to be an independent chaos entity. which is pretty rare. Whoa. It says it can rend reality apart where the weapon strikes,

rip through armor, flesh and bone without resistance. The demonic spirit animating this fell weapon can alter the blade's appearance revealing the skulls and faces of the souls that has devoured.

Whoa. So if you look at the actual blade, you can see it has like little like cartoon faces on it kind of. Kind of yeah. Yeah. It's got like legitimate legitimate faces

like howling in the blade itself Here's a better picture of it. God, that is a, that, that's a sword. That's a fucking sword. That is a chaos sword. How do you lose when you have something like that? Other than just GW being like, you're the villain, you lose. Well, you know, numbers or someone hits him with a train, I don't know.

I don't even think a train. Like, he could just like, slice the train in half. Okay, they exterminated to him or something. I don't fucking know. I mean, there's always some subway to lose. Also, is that an ultramarine that he's crushing under his feet? It is. Nice.

Do you like Avon more now? Oh, I like him a lot more now. What a guy. Those poor ultra-marine fans. Now, the second Black Crusade is kind of neat only because the name is funny. It's called The Cursing of Corona, which I find fucking hilarious. So ironic. It's a dead world located near the Eye of Terror, basically.

Oh, no. I don't like the sound of that. Well, regardless, there's a lot of these. He invokes a curse that sinks to the core of the world. The third Black Crusade was the host of Toloman. Desecration of Gerstall. He destroys the remains of St. Gershstall, which was an imperial saint that died defending the Acadian Gate

after the first centuries of the Horus heresy. And he destroyed their remains, which was obviously like a big like a faithful blow, you know? Right. Then the fourth Black Crusade was the devastation of Elphanor, the death of Cromark, which was the Grand Citadel of Cromark. So it sounds like some of these crusades he's actually succeeding.

Yeah. Oh, okay. But it's like the concept, the context, the context is the fact that he's destroying a bunch of shit, but it might not always be the thing he wanted to get done. Oh, okay. Now, granted, as shy put, she said, it was a prophecy that Saints was going to stop Abby,

so Abby said, fuck that, and erased his ass from existence. So, that, let's not forget that chaos. Chaos is a bit petty at times. No kidding. At the best of times, chaos can be a bit petty, but then again, so is the Imperium. Yeah. There was, the fifth one was the tide of blood,

which was a scouring of Alicia, which allows him to summon a demon prince and destroy a bunch of chapters a bunch of successor chapters of Space Marines which was nuts Um Yep 6 one was Drekhart's Folly

Which had him bring the sons of an eye Which was a war band of Horace He had them like Taken up merged them into the Black Legion Okay The Ghost War was number seven Which he claimed The Gene Seat of the Blood Angels

That were slaughtered at a Macon. Eight was the skull gather. He appeased the changer of ways, which was Zich, with sequences of death creating a mathematical equation of terrible and profane perfection. These are all the shortened versions. These are fucking weird. He just made Zich happy. I mean, it's a good thing to do. You don't want him coming after you.

No. The ninth one was the starving of Cancifalus. Chaos fleets leave the eye of terror undetected during a massacre. The 10th one was the conflict of Helicia or Helica, which is Abadon, the Iron Warriors, fight the Iron Hands on their home planet. I think

they try to take their home planet of Medusa, the Iron Hands one, and I think they fail. Because I'm pretty sure the Iron Hands still have it. But yeah, yeah, they did fail in that one. It still stood, but he learned much about the defenses of the Iron Hands, which he'll put into good use later on.

Okay. And then the 11th was the doom of Roloria, where he abducts thousands of orcs to conduct experiments on their use in the warp, which is hilarious. I'm curious, was that how he got, is that the one where he got that one dude in Corn's realm? Oh, is the one that's just always stuck there and it's just... Yeah, I don't think it's... I don't think it's... I don't think it's that one. Okay.

No, he was fought, he dealt with an Orkwa under the name of Mergor Undread Teef. Very ork. I love orc names. They're very easy. And then the big 12th crusade was the Gothic War. And that one's a lot more recent and a lot more important.

This is a much larger war, a much bigger one. They fought the Imperium of Man of course, but also some Eldar. They had a bunch of major naval battles, but the big one, the big one. The big one was his ability to gain something known as a blackstone fortress.

Oh. What's a, what do you go on? So there are many black stone fortresses. And black stone fortresses are not necessarily known where they've come from. Some deem that they might be the old ones who made them. It's not necron based, but it's something.

and these are just massive starships, enormous starships. The only people that have starships larger are the Imperial Fists because they're stupid. Because they're dumb enough to build something that big and unnecessary. Because they'd rather pilot meteors. So where do these Blackstone fortresses come? Like where did he find it? They're just there. They just exist.

and he just happened to stumble on one? So they're like out and about in the galaxy. There's no real like if-ans or butts. Sometimes they were used by the... The ones that the Imperium found were used as bases, naval bases. But some of them were either destroyed by chaos. But the main thing is the fact that the giant gun in the center of its rotating pylon

is enough to like clean a fucking planet. Oh, is that like an exterminatus type of deal? It's like worse. It's basically a Death Star weapon. Like instead of exterminatus, which will crack the planet's core or like virus bomb it, this will like turn like they did with the Death Star in Star Wars. Like it'll turn into fucking Adams. Oh, okay.

It's just gone. Jeez. And so Abadden has one of these now? He does. That's no good. No. If I'm not mistaken, he was able to capture and activate six of them. Whoa!

He was able to succeed in taking three, but he was defeated by the combined might of both the Imperium and the Eldar working together. Wow, that's a pretty big deal. Like, it took the Imperium and the Eldar to stop him? I mean, Blackstone Fortresses, man. Yeah, that's true. But God. That's such a big deal. Oh yeah, they had to work together, which is scary.

It won't be the first time they've worked together, though, and it won't be the last. But after enough time of their fighting and stuff, after the Imperium tried to recapture them, two or one of the fortresses, it's self-destructed later. And then they eventually able to capture a couple more, but Abidon retreated with two. He was able to take two of them and take them back to the eye of terror. That's still pretty good. Yes. It's still pretty nice.

Pretty nice to have two of those fucking behemoths at your beck and cost. Not bad. Not bad. No, not bad at all. One of the fortresses was actually, I believe, gifted to a man named Heron Blackheart, which is quite the name. Yeah. I don't really remember where it went, but I think it was in assistance to help free Gilliman later on. But I know where the other one named Will of Eternity went, but we need to discuss that in the fall of Katie episode because, yeah, Blackstone Fortress does have a big role in the fall of Kadia.

You're going to blue ballast like that? A little bit. Because that's the big prelude is that Kadia is the 13th Black Crusade, the most recent one, and the biggest part of the lore. or like one of the major biggest things of the lore that's happened recently and it is quite quite an endeavor okay I guess

I guess we can wait till next time to talk about that I guess if you're gonna be all like that about it I'm gonna be all like that about gee whizge I don't want to hear about the falcadia now yeah I know you do but the falcadia has to wait because the fall of Cadia is important.

Fine. Good, damn. Jeez, Avedon. How come the chaos gods that you have two black stone fortresses? So, um, one last thing. Uh,

so the, the Black Legion accepts anybody from any chaos faction, right? I mean, anybody, I mean, you know, don't be too rough,

but, but yeah, yeah, they basically are like, all come, all, welcome you if you like you do not serve the war master you serve by his side right it's the idea of like you're not going to be an underling you are a fellow soldier right do you ever think chaos

is going to work together again like they did in like the horace heresy where they were actually all on the same page because it sounds kind of like the black legion maybe one day could sort of become that where like you got thousand sons you got word bear you're Yes-ish. Now, if you mean the Chaos Gods, no. Oh yeah, Chaos Gods probably not. But like all the different, like, I guess, traitor legions, I guess is the better way to put it. Yes, they will, and they did. And they did in this thing called The Fall of Cadia.

Oh, man, it's all the next episode. God! It looks like it is. Yes, it will be a thing soon. They kind of did work together in the next one. I think Typhus is part of it actually Oh, stinky boy There's a lot

You've got Lord Costell and Creed You've got St. Celestine You've got Belisarius call Typhus Trayson The Infinite Trayson is a part Of the fall of Acadia He plays a big fucking role actually

Our book club boy, let's go Uh huh Yvrain of the Eldar Gilliman It's literally Avengers Endgame And it's just as good In the sense of it's not great But it's good enough

It's got problems but it's good Yeah because in my head I was just like man Why doesn't chaos work together more Like they almost had the Imperium Why don't they work together again Why don't they like bolster their forces And do it again

If at first you don't succeed Try try again Because the chaos gods are jealous pricks As we are learning Yes And while a lot of the chaos gods do, a lot of the Space Marine legions don't accept the help of the chaos gods, because there's five.

And out of the five, I think only four of them, have sworn allegiance. Because emperous children, death guard, thousand sons, and world eaters sworn to a god. But Black Legion, night lords, word bearers, I'm missing a couple. Which ones am I missing, shy? I know I'm missing.

two. Word bears. Oh, Iron Warriors. I'm not sure why. I was thought the word bears became the world eaters. I guess because they both have like World Eater, World Bear. No, no, they're word. Word. Word bear. Right, right, right. I don't know why, but I thought the word bears became the world eaters. But I guess the world eaters are like the, they're corn, right? Yeah. I'm so upset I'm forgetting the last one.

And the word bears are Lorgar. No. Uh, yes. Word bears are Lorgar. Old eaters are engron. Gotcha. Fuck. So angron. Fucking hell. Wait.

Black Legion. Night lords. Iron warriors. Word bearers. Who am I missing? Some guy is so... Some guy is... No, no, no.

That's each. Whatever. I just... No, no, I'm talking about the non... The non-specific... Oh, gotcha. I just wanted to get the thousand sons in there, man. Some guy is so angry right now that his legion is not...

not being represented. Okay, factions, Chaos Space Marines, Legion. We can't end until he gets this, guys. He has to find. Alpha Legion! Alpha Legion! You fucking Dingus, Ricky. They're so secretive.

You forgot about the Alpha Legion. They're too secretive. They're too secretive. Jesus. They're the hydrares, right? The hydrants, yeah. They're the hydraiser. They're the cool higris.

They're the high chagggy. Yeah. No. They have such sick minis too. God. Damn. Of course. That's fucking funny.

that the Alpha Legion were the ones that that might not even be chaos we don't fucking know anymore Really? They might not even be chaos? There's a long running idea that the Alpha Legion aren't actually chaos But they're just they're pertaining to be chaos As a giant ruse to deal with to actually be loyal to the Imperium

Oh Oh man I love an Alpha Legion episode As I'm sure no I'm not ready Well no not yet obviously Because we still have the fall of Cadia And I'm sure there are a bunch of topics after that we want to cover first. Like, it's, don't worry. I'm too scared for the Alpha Legion.

Eventually, as, as we move on, we'll get you comfortable with it. All right, as I get more knowledgeable and you get more, we'll get there. One day. Fear. One day. But you want to, you want to take us home? Or do we have, do we have anything more to, uh,

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